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Since I received red trust from hilariousandco (I don't care about marlboroza's one coz it basically repeated hilari's psychology) forum members started to think that I am a scammer or someone who done bad thing/s (money involved) on the forum or anywhere else.



There are numerous occasions where people called me scammer, they did not trust me because I have negative in my profile.



I received negative because I offered an escrow service which hilariousandco thought I may run away (note the keyword may run away) with the money. Does that mean I committed a crime to get punished mentally?

Some of you may say that it's a forum and don't take it in heart, I will suggest you to wear my shoes then to advise me not to get hurt. I should not use my real identity which I regret now. You guys tagged me as a scammer where the real mdayonliner, the forum user mdayonliner, the real masudul never even took a penny from anyone.

From what I can tell, the amount you wanted to escrow is worth many average annual incomes in your country. As they say: "opportunity makes the thief", and even though I don't think you had bad intentions, that large amount of money would have been very tempting for a very long time.
On top of that: if you're an escrow, you're responsible for that amount. What if you somehow lose it? I highly doubt you'll ever be able to repay it.

To answer your question: I don't think you're a scammer. But I wouldn't call you trustworthy either. In my book, being trustworthy means staying far under any reasonable amount you can be trusted with. The fact that you offered to escrow means you were asking to be trusted with at least 500 times more than what's justified by your history on this forum. To stay safe, you should not have offered to escrow more than 10% of what your trust at that moment justified (so that puts you at 0.004 Bitcoin, instead of 20 Bitcoin).

(the numbers above are more or less arbitrary to illustrate the point I'm trying to make)

I am not sure, why have you opened this thread? Are you trying to force people's to trust you ? Is there any specific reason to trust you?

Obviously you are good poster but it doesn't mean you are trustworthy. This is applicable for all, not only for you. Even I can't say I am good poster, it's depend on community. Trust is same, you can't determine that you are trusted. It's totally depends on community.


To be honest, your over smart & over confident is responsible for your tag. You always want to show yourself more that you are. Everyone will see you on dubious eye's once you will try to escrow huge amount. And 20 BTC isn't small amount at all. You just saw thread and apply for escrow but you didn't apply for manager instead of apply for escrow. That's call over smart and over confident. Is it not really greedy activity ? I think it's enough to tag someone. And there is comment why are you tagged. hilariousandco didn't mention on comment you are scammer, he has mentioned just what are you trying. If I am not wrong you were a full member once you have applied for escrow. That time you didn't have green trust. I can't remember there is any escrow without green trust. Correct me if I am wrong. Also you have tagged by Lutpin for merit beg. Although it's neutral but if some one think that, a merit begger are not able to escrow 20 btc than he will not wrong (imo). This is basic things.

You exposing yourself somehow. In some case silent is better than noise.  It's better keep silent yourself regarding trust matter.

Don't take it personally. I describe what I think. May be I am wrong. Personally I believe you are a good poster more than me. But I can't trust you with fund.  

Sorry for broken English.

Yes you did. You literally asked someone to send you over $100k and that's what you got the negative feedback for. There is no way to know what you would have done with that money had you been sent it but I think the chances of you just running off with it were very high. That sort of money could make even an honest man turn into a scammer and people will run off with much less. Of course you could have had every intention of safely holding the money and returning it when asked but that's something we'll never know. The feedback doesn't say you're a scammer but to trade with caution and lists the reasons why I find you untrustworthy, but you can't do anything about how others interpret that other than telling them to actually read the feedback and that no money was ever actually scammed.

His english is a way better than my and sometimes I echo other comments - it means I agree with feedback and I would have sent the same one. Don't worry, I'll change it now, it seems it bothers you.


https://youtu.be/Sr0t0pCLy_0?t=46

Watch it carefully. Ross Davis explained it best.

No, he never asked for penny, he asked shitload of money  :)

Considering the negative tag on for being a ponzi promoter, you still have not responded to the accusations here where a simple yes or no would have sealed the deal- https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4221113.0

You may have been trying your level best to garner an opinion about yourself so as to establish yourself as NOT a scammer; typically what QS did in the past - to make his lies seem legitimate and so as to get other people to think they were actually helping people. In my book you are ponzi promoter and thus you deserve your negative tag for that.

Now let us look into some of your recent actions:

Considering the fact that you are from Bangladesh and have been recently trying to get some of the pinned threads translated into Bengali. So you are trying to get more people involved in it? Bitcoin and transacting in bitcoins is illegal as per the government there and I am sure you already know about it. Did you know about it?

The actions you committed are analogous to that of those in the Lending section that are attempting to get a loan with neither prior reputation nor collateral.

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Those users are given negatives.

Even though the money was not sent to you, I think it is the right call for hilarious on tagging you as it serves as warning to others that you are trying to escrow a large deal without even having an experience of handling near that amount. Yes you have a few successful transactions here in the forum but it is only worth hundreds at best which is very far from the 100,000$ you are attempting to get. You are simply not qualified to handle such amount, there is no even any record of you having a successful escrow service in your trust summary (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=1432468).

Hilarious is right to say that the chances of you running away with that money is always there, you might be extremely tempted with that kind of amount as you never have handled any amount ranging up to 100,000$.

I want very much to believe you but since you had no previous history of trading or escrowing , no one knows what would you have done with that money. In my country that amount is worth 2 years of work in a very good high paying company and I am in the middle of Europe, Italy. In your country that money is probably worth more than 2 years of income and hilarious is right to warn others, your mistake was to open such thread in the first place of escrowing large amount of money. Anyway if it can comfort you by looking at your post history I would trade with you without problem but not very big amounts, max up to 1000 Euro and I think you would not go far beyond that point too.

I had a different country in mind, this makes the average salary even lower. Quora (https://www.quora.com/What-is-the-average-salary-in-Bangladesh-2018) puts it at $157 per month on average, averagesalarysurvey.com (https://www.averagesalarysurvey.com/bangladesh) makes it 10 times higher for high paying jobs. That makes 20 Bitcoin worth many years up to a few lifetimes of labour.

Speaking Bengali doesn't mean he is from Bangladesh because in some part of India too the language Bangali is in practice so he maybe trying to help some Bengali's not bangladesihs! Or he just did for some merits.

I'm not up to speed on what the ponzi accusations are against mdayonliner, but I have mixed feelings about tagging ponzi promoters on bitcointalk anyway.  Most (but not all) people here know these schemes are just a game and that ultimately most players are going to lose.  I can see how scammy they are and I do understand why ponzi promoters get tagged.

But aside from the ponzi stuff, I think the feedback about the escrow offer was somewhat harsh--but again, I completely understand hilariousandco's reasoning.  If you don't have a reputation as an honest escrower, and suddenly you offer your services to a deal requiring the escrow to hold an amount like $100k, you couldn't convince me the noob escrow wouldn't be tempted to take the money and run, and that the motivation behind offering to do that escrow would be to do just that. 

My opinion is that mdayonliner is just being too ambitious in trying to establish a reputation here on the forum.  Aside the popularity contest aspect of having a good reputation, if you have a good trust score it makes it much easier to do deals if you're so inclined or to leverage that trust for any number of other purposes.  I think when he offered to do the escrow, he was trying to build his reputation quicker, sort of in the same manner of newcomers who start off trying to bust scams.  So ultimately I think he was being way too ambitious, but my gut feeling tells me that his intention wasn't to scam.  However, when you're dealing with online personalities, huge sums of money, and an irreversible and semi-anonymous currency, you just never know.  Even members like Master-P, who was previously trusted, ran off with a small fortune.

Bottom line is that the escrow offer was ill-conceived at best.  I think the red trust was probably necessary as a warning.  Whether it stays put or not, hopefully mdayonliner has learned his lesson here.

Bangaledeshi currency is much lower in value than USD hence the average daily necessities can easily be covered by the amount of bitcoins that OP has gather by scamming others from his ponzis.

So we can assume that his entire family tree is now having a lot of money spend and enjoy their lives for at least a decade. Also since he is trying to gather more people to follow his kool-aid crew we can assume he will continue his methods of promoting ponzis.

He IS from bangladesh. This is proven by the fact that his brother himself is also another Bangladeshi and so is his wife. Stop commenting without having gone through the entire Investigation thread on the OP and his brother (mahimonliner)'s ponzi promotion propaganda on youtube and which has been posted in this forum. ::)

Offering an escrow without prior trades is an attempted scam. This much I have learnt from being here for this short period of 2.5 years.

I don't know if it's so much about reputation as it is mdayonliner acting too big for their britches..
You know how teenagers think they know everything and end up saying some stupid shit, or the little kid that thinks he wants to drive a car because it looks easy.. They just don't know what they just don't know, or don't even know the damage they could cause..

Even if mdayonliner wasn't trying to scam one of my first thoughts is I wonder what method of storage they planned to use? Hold it in their exchange wallet?
If that was my money I surely would want it in the hands of a very experienced coinholder that knows the caveats and pitfalls of coinhandling very well.. It is just too easy to make a mistake and lose coins if trying to handle them yourself or even place them in an insecure environment such as potentially compromised hardware or a 3rd party..
Screw up making a cold wallet and coins are gone like the wind..

I think mdayonliner could possibly get another chance some day if they show humility of their inexperience, an understanding that their is a lot left to know before you could ever hope to play with the big dogs like that..


If you didn't even know that common etiquette you surely don't know enough to handle coin like that and you need to start realizing it..
You didn't even know you were committing suicide did you? You have much to learn grasshopper..

p.s. it's best to learn from others previous mistakes than to have to learn from your own out of ignorance, the hard way..

I don't think you're a scammer just like I don't think anyone with dark green trust is a legit trader. Fact is, regardless of the trust status, one should be extra careful while dealing with members on the forum. Personally, I wouldn't mind trading with you if the deal involves an escrow and you have sufficient proofs to carry out the deal effortlessly. The procedure would be the same if I were dealing with any green trusted member.

I know the red trust looks bad on your profile but someone left it there because you raised red flags which I agree with.

If I were you I would lock the thread and I would continue using the forum as you have already been doing. Insisting on this doesn’t help your case. You can continue posting, lending, earning from sig campaigns, so on.

In a forum where there is money involved, there are continuous attempts of scam, and even former trusted members sometimes turn scammers, like Master-P, who has been mentioned here and also TradeFortress. So, it is sensible to be very cautious with anyone.


I’m not going to wait until someone steals my money to take preventive measures, I take preventive measures to prevent my money from being stolen, no matter if I have never had money stolen from me.

No offence fella, but I don't trust you. I don't trust anyone who offers to escrow large amounts without any experience or serious financial backing.

There are lots and lots of members here who have held BTC and physical collectibles for me and I trust them implicitly, but anyone new wanting to be an escrow will instantly be not trusted by me and many other members unless they are able to prove that they are trusted, either with a series of trades, offering multi sig or the fact that they are a fucking whale.

 

Not sure which country you are talking about coz I live in one country but my native country is another one. Point is - how or why a country is/was relevant?¹


I did not have bad intentions. I did not even know what was 2/3 multisig address as all that time before you mention it (http://archive.is/lsVsA#selection-2497.66-2497.113). I admit I acted very stupid.

Thinking I am not a scammer or all the bed stuffs about me does not mean that I am asking people to trust me.

How posting (good or bad) could be relevant to trust¹?

I am really having hard time to understand the point you are trying to make. How the merit begging issue and the escrow is relevant. Seems like everything you are trying to say is - whatever I do you want me to establish as a bad one. Do we have any previous issue¹?

About the merit begging issue by Lutpin... Read...


Make some points: I admitted that it was begging in bitcointalk dairy, it was done not even 8 days gone past the merit system introduced (people even sent 50 merits to each others that time because they were unsure about the whole system and stuffs), I intentionally kept the evidences, because I felt that removing evidence is not a good thing. But seems like people are using it against me...

Yes it does, and it also means that you try very hard to show your importance on the forum. Your trusts are too cheap for me.

But leaving the feedback means you knew the outcome or technically you guessed the outcome and acted without even bothering the correction I made. I withdraw the offer immediately, I sent you PM about it but you never responded.


Worth to mention the PM, sent to marlboroza when s/he asked me about the situation.


Bitcoin was illegal to many other countries. I do not think any government STILL like us to use Bitcoin. One of the reason for you and others to be anonymous is that you don't want to get caught for using Bitcoin. Look mate - I understand your are trying to point something else but truth is whatever I want to do is to help my local community. People like you are too skeptical to anything. Please stop calling my wife whenever you get chance.

I am not offended mate. I do understand your views.

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¹ Don't bother to answer the questions coz after this post (I may just forget about this forum completely or may consider creating another account /This time anonymous like most of you all have/) I will login to this forum only to communicate with the loan thread (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4485985.msg46754100#msg46754100) I have (There are few people who took loan from me and still on their process to give them back although I am not sure how much I will get back). I love Bitcoin and wanted to be part of the forum to promote bitcoin (I still can do my job by the way, this forum should not be the only option for me). I never had any bad intentions and will never have one coz deep down I know myself although this proves nothing for you except criticism from some of you. Thanks to the well wishers I made here also the haters. Good luck everyone.

The point is that the more the amount means to a given person, the more likely he might be to scam.  It has more to do with your local economy or how much you make than what the actual country is.  A millionaire (in USD) probably wouldn't scam for $1000, but someone living in a homeless shelter with only lint in his pockets might very well be tempted to.

100k isn't that much money.  I guess there are a lot of poor people on these forums.  I seems most  all the bitcoin millionaires have left this place for good.

Even being a millionaire isn't considered wealthy these days, that is reserved for billionaires.

Why should have previous issue to reply with honest review? Did I create this thread? Your thread subject is " You think I am a scammer?". So everyone is free to reply with his opinion.  I did what I think. I haven't created thread against you. I can see all the replies here are against you, so all of them have previous problem with you? I don't think so.

I didn't bother myself on your others post. I told you that in my previous reply "you are exposing yourself" by creating such as thread. I have noticed, You have created multiple new thread (http://archive.is/Pln9n) on local board even there is pin post on your language and OP still active. However that's isn't biog deal. But you have made sound (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5038905.0) on meta multiple time about it. Is it not just you want highlight yourself by doing unnecessary job?  I can't see there is much response from your own community.

Eventually you came out with lending business. I believe your intention was just gain trust. And  I think you are failed to do that.

To be honest, you have tried to gain trust by short cut. I have been exposing multi dozen scam, it doesn't mean I am trusted. There is no reason to trust me with fund. You shouldn't attempt to gain trust. This thread is another attempt to gain trust. Trust will come automatically depend on your activity. There is no short cut to gain it. Also I felt that once I applied for merit source. Its is really too early for me. Also personally I have felt that earn merit, make good post , scam expose and prevent spam are really totally different from trust. I told you your over-smart is responsible your reputation, and still you are doing that. I am not good writer like you, may be that's why you having hard time to understand my point.

Is it not over-smart?  You don't care his tagged so why you need to open this thread and mentioned him?

Even your intention wasn't scam, but "money could change everyone mind" its true.


I have bothered to answer because you have asked , do we have any previous issue? and answer is NO.

I don't know if you're a scammer or not, my stance on that is dubious. But many people don't trust or like you because they think that you're either trying to kiss some people's ass/ that you're some sort of con artist /ponzi scammer / that escrow offer deal that came out of nowhere.

About hilariousetc's tag : He is trying to protect other users, when people have scammed others for mere cents, 100,000$ is a lot of money, even though it may seem less to others, it's a lot, and no one likes to be scammed. So he's not wrong there.

Do I trust you : No, not because of your history or whatever, but I just don't trust anybody on this forum enough to escrow or even trade with, it'll probably be the last thing for me to do.

People aren't going to give you advice on what to do, some things you got to figure out for yourself. Secondly, it's a forum, your reputation here isn't going to change anything IRL. But you definitely made a HUGE mistake in linking your IRL name and other important details, very BIG mistake. Shit happens, I know, but you should have been careful. That's all I got to say for now.

No it doesn't. It means I don't trust you. When a previous ponzi promoter tries to get his hands on $100k I think that is pretty alarming and I don't trust that behaviour. Had you of been sent that sort of money I think it's highly probable you would have just ran off with it.


So? That doesn't invalidate the act and wipe it from history.

It is sad you got tagged.
 Though I don't know you very much I felt bad for you because it got you off a campaign I guess. I honestly think what our dear Global Mod did was justified. He doesn't abused the tagging thing from my observation.

You should ask for pardon and never go near the escrow thing again and hopefully he forgives you

He was tagged even before that signature campaign started and he was accepted into that campaign because he was excellent poster and he was tagged due to the reason of he wanted to offer an escrow the amount which may be excessive for an untrusted person.He didn't create this thread not because of signature campaign tho.

Negative Trust is something very damaging if you plan to offer some service on the forum. But I think the biggest damage is the social one. I think the feeling must be like a person walking down the street with his pants very dirty, everyone will point fingers, say bad things etc.

And you will have to explain, often to people you've never seen, the reason that those pants are still dirty. Every time, every day.

 The trust system is broken. I understand the attempt to decentralize and leave this responsibility to users. But it is a system without weights, very unfair. The accuser could present evidence and reasons when making the decision to send trust to someone else. But this is not mandatory. That is, the accuser is the judge and no one can reverse the decision. It is not a form of fairness. There is no judgment where an independent third party makes the decision after hearing both parties. But I do not know which system could be better. Since the forum does not want to be directly responsible for the decisions of each user.

Now, in your specific case, I understand what @hilariousetc did. I had not read about it before. He made this decision to alert other users. And it looks like your intention was to sell services on the forum that depended on trust. Maybe you could have worked to avoid the social weight of negative trust. But it does not seem to me that starting to work with loans would be the most rational route to take with a negative trust. And it turned out to be a bad deal seeing the losses you have taken.

Maybe stepping away from the forum for a while might help reverse this negative trust in the future. So I hope, because you contribute a lot to the forum and could eventually help your community to participate and know more about Bitcoin. And answering your question: I do not believe you're a scamer, but if I were to introduce you to a friend to do business, I would also feel compelled to show him the topic from @xtraelv before he could make a decision.

There are several escrow without green trust. For reference you may see Few Trusted Escrow Provider (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5047302)

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A very wise thing to say.

For what it's worth: I thought it was admirable that you just continued posting, even after you received red trust. Too bad you gave up :(

Whether it's admirable or not is up for debate but mdayonliner was obviously just hoping that the feedback would be removed if he stayed around and kept contributing for a bit. It was just his last ditch attempt to get it removed as there's no other option for him really unless you can build up some positive trades to neutralise it. He's moved on to another account now though, and I'm pretty sure I know which one it is already haha. I swear I'm developing a sixth sense for finding alts just by the way they type. I've probably spent too much time on this board  :-[.

Perhaps me too  ;D. I don't care if he create new account or this isn't my business. But most likely I got him. People can't leave few habits ever. But I have confirmed you didn't send him merit yet although most reputed member did it. A new user posting style and old user posting type could not be same. However best of luck to him since forum allow multiple account so I don't like bother myself.

Stop feeding people that you know everything, every direction and moves of someone you don't know. You have no idea about my social and financial status, you have no idea about what I can and can't do, you have no idea about my achievements and failures, you have no idea about my educational background, my professional & personal network etc etc. Mate, we even never met! If my attempt was to get the tags removed then I would not write provoking statement about marlboroza's rating.

hilariousetc, you think I don't know how to treat people to get unfair advantages? I can challenge anyone to win a debate when both will have the same ground (not one is a DT1 with super power and another have a very little recognition from the community). I do know some of the unfair tricks to get advantages from uppers as much as some other smart people do here. Thing is, I don't apply it all the time. If I would then I would not use my real identity here on this forum. In that case that xtraelv and shitheads would never find that I was involved with those online marketing stuffs before (no one is perfect but that does not mean people are bad) and you would never called me ponzi promoter. How many times I had to explain that I never promoted any of these on this forum? I have left those stuffs after creating the last video when they changed their terms and that was long before I joined this forum.

On this forum, as a username (that's all matter here) - the only mistake (if I ignore my real identity things) I did was to offer that 20BTC escrow service and that's IT! You painted me with a Death Threat(order) and people started to think me that I am a scammer! Do you call it warning to the community? Where is the use of Neutral Trust?

Do you see the unfairness? (provably you will never coz you are obsessed with thinking that whatever you do is always right, you are enjoying the super power you have here as a DT1, you are obsessed with thinking that people will start donating you bitcoin for the Lambo coz you are a DT1, you are obsessed with the support you get from the ass-lickers who are waiting to get some of the power you have from you). My fight was to establish this thinking that I am not a scammer, I never scammed anyone ever. It hurts a lot when you get treated for something you are really not... I will quote vit05 since s/he explained it better than me. Thanks vit05.


Again a prove of your obsessiveness and you want to feed (a psychological attempt) the community that you know everything.

I suggest you to find the ALT and paint it with red so that I do not have to have this frustration of getting tagged after becoming a Sr. Member. (After all, these days it's not that easy to build up an account from the ground - like you did with two accounts very easily¹. Sometimes it makes me laugh why do you create topics in the reputation board using your hilariousetc account about merit abusers where you can easily tag them from your DT1 account. Competition, isn't it?)

A brand new account? Jr. Member account? - that's the furthermost I can go right (if I build the account after quitting my main mdayonliner account)? FIND IT! tag it! Or give me some clue (may be first and last character of the username or anything) so that I know that you are not bluffing.

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100% and I would advise everyone here to learn from my mistakes.

Thanks mate.

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I am sorry I gave up from mdayonliner. It's too hurtful to hear people pointing me that I am a scammer.

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I challenge you to become a Sr. Member by creating a brand new account which will have no connection with any of the hilari accounts. Expose it once you become a Sr. Member. You will realize the blood and sweat.
Archived (http://archive.is/A7G3T)

Does shilling count?
This is one very interesting thread https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2597577.0


What was cashbackadverts? Site is offline. On this forum https://www.beermoneyforum.com/threads/cashbackadverts-com-reviews-scam-or-legit.10290/ site was moved to HYPE section. Why would any forum move legit site to HYPE reviews https://www.beermoneyforum.com/forums/hyips-reviews.31/ ?

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I don't think he is bluffing  ;)

I don't claim to know everything. Where did I ever make this claim? Where did I ever claim to know how much money you may or may not have or what you can and can't do? You're just projecting things on to me based on your opinion, which is obviously biased.


Yes, it is a warning. Why would I give neutral. I'm not going to leave a neutral trust for someone who tries to escrow deals with little to no reputation, especially for such a high amount. I find it highly likely something would have gone amiss with this deal if it had of happened. That's just too much money and I just don't trust you and that's reflected in the feedback. I've left plenty of feedbacks against people offering escrows when they shouldn't and many of them still went on to scam. I'm not saying you would have for certain and that's something we'll never know but I still don't trust you because of it, hence the feedback.


You got me. This was all a ploy just to solicit donations from buttlickers for a Lamborghini. Well done for busting me. So far I have received zero donations for my Lambo fund so it's going very well (but if anyone wants to donate to it my address is in my profile). I mean, what the hell are you rambling on about? You got exited, did something stupid and got negative feedback. Stop talking bollocks and making stuff up just to suit your arguments.


No. This is just your opinion. I don't know everything, but I'm pretty positive I do know your alt.


Why would I do you that favour? You'll just create a new one and move on to that one then I'll have to wait till my all knowing powers sense your presence again. Maybe I will leave it negative. Maybe I won't. Maybe I'll give you a second chance, but I'm watching you, don't worry. Just don't try make any more escrow deals once you become a Senior.


How did I build them up very easily? You think it's easy to build the rep I have and write tens of thousands of posts over five years and acquire so much merit? And what's a competition? This account is also DT2 and I don't have time to tag them all so I let other members of the community check the info, offer their input and look for more etc.


Why do I care whether you think I'm bluffing? I'd be willing to bet money on it if you want to put some in escrow (and no, we can't use you as an escrow  :D).


I'd easily be able to do it, but it's not something I'm going to waste my time on just to prove something to you. If you wanted to put some substantial amount of money on this to make it worth my time I'd possibly take you up on the bet though.

I wasn't going to comment but I see that you have used this as an opportunity to malign my motives - again.

Regarding the merit accusation you jumped to conclusions without even talking to me. It annoyed me that you pulled Lafu into it all. Someone who I respect for the volunteer work that he does. Someone who has received hundreds of merits from others.

But I did not create that topic because I was mad at you or out of "madness". I created the topic because it is true.

Nothing in the investigation topic that I have written is untrue. If there is anything that is untrue I will happily modify it.

You fail to take responsibility for your own actions.

Your brought attention to yourself by your activities and as a result your history as a ponzi promoter was exposed.

I don't trust you because you  promoted ponzis. (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4221113.msg38397225#msg38397225) and did plenty of other suspect stuff.

It soon became obvious that you were creating situations to farm merit (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4104852.msg38112448#msg38112448) and to to obtain trust ( here (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3759887.0) and here (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4485985.0) ) while deliberately ignoring the obvious forum rule violations of people that you associate (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4221113.msg44253194#msg44253194) with.

The type of people that are your social media followers are the exact type of people that cause this forum so much problems.

You've been caught receiving merit from your brother. (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1167568)
You've been caught  merit begging. (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=1432468)
You've been caught shitposting  (https://bpip.org/profile.aspx?p=mdayonliner) numerous times. (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4487800.msg40468069#msg40468069) (73 replies deleted by moderators and 9 topics removed according to bpip.org)
You've been caught trying to escrow a large amount (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4627105.msg41827955#msg41827955)
You've been caught being part of a dodgy signature campaign. (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4487800.msg40445133#msg40445133)
You've been found to have a history of promoting multiple ponzis (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4221113.0)
You've received 3 forum bans (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4487800.msg40471597#msg40471597).

In the meantime you require higher standards from others (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3186068.0) expecting them to be tagged.


http://archive.is/UqLaG#selection-699.1-699.137

This is your opinion on others that break the rules:

https://i.imgur.com/GKOLu4K.png

But you don't feel that others should apply that to you. Why ?

I don't know why are you really don't want to accept your mistake. You always try to defend yourself and always trying to win. Look like only you are right and all others is wrong. How do you think others people's are not ranking up. You didn't? And am I not doing ? There is more people's who are building own account from began. I don't see any point of your challenge. If we could build a account from began that obviously hilariousandco could. You always try to argue with them who tagged you instead of convinced. Your main point is why they should tag you since you are good poster. Do you know pride is the root for demise. I will not surprised if someday I got tag for my mistake. Even I never tried to call myself as a good poster. But it's true I am trying to learn.

To be honest, if I am on your place than I would locked this thread after 1 reply. But still you are like to argue.

Another one ?

https://archive.fo/B5jjH
https://archive.fo/PWDw4
https://archive.fo/GfXmt

mdayonliner (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1432468) Twitter (https://twitter.com/cDesignsUK) Archive (https://archive.fo/IwWzP)

quangtrung1991  (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1786178) Twitter (https://twitter.com/cDesignsUK) Archive (https://archive.fo/RMtl5)

If it means mdayonliner and quangtrung1991 are alt account then base on archive (https://archive.fo/r3S7J) quangtrung1991, sharkboyno2, pvietnam92, Taitrader, OVERCILL and mdayonliner are same person.

I think you posted the wrong archive for quangtrung1991 . It is the same as the mdayonliner one.


I found the post and archived it https://archive.fo/NBqhO

So it looks like mdayonliner abused that Ambassador airdrop/bounty with alt accounts?  Does that sound about right?

I would advise you to be a lot less ambitious in your dealings on bitcointalk if you go that route.  I never thought you offered to do that escrow deal so you could run away with the money, but you most likely would have had the temptation to, and given that you didn't have a reputation as an escrow, it was an ill-advised offer.  My impression was always that you were trying to build a reputation here too quickly, and that got you in trouble.

So what about the apparent alt accounts you had participating in the bounty I mentioned above?

Certainly looks that way. The nguyenthanhhieu status was posted first and when I checked it showed that it has not been edited.

https://i.imgur.com/Hv56RHl.png

https://i.imgur.com/i4S6CoW.png
https://archive.fo/6wSFj

The Mdayonliner post was posted the following day with the same twitter status.

https://i.imgur.com/Y4rvo5R.png
https://archive.fo/rQ5eg

https://i.imgur.com/9wEJzI8.png
https://archive.fo/yfw53

Account farmers tend to make mistakes. Getting confused with which profile they are posting.

I would not bother to make another post to say the old stuffs again and again but seems like here xtraelv bought another new dimension to spice up the entire mdayonliner reputation again. You are doing very good job xtraelv since you were caught on exchanging merit with your friend (which later I figured was not intentional). You are mixing truths (I was involved with online marketing stuffs before joining the forum)¹, semi truths^1aa, mistakes where I had no hand and regretted in public numerous times ^1a, innocent mistakes when a system was too new to understand^1b, finding mistakes in regular things^1c and lies very wisely. I wonder how do you find everything all together? I hope you don't plan for them to frame me.

This post is for The Pharmacist:
Remember once you said you admire/respect me out of the few users on this forum? This was a moment of feeling that I will never forget. I was not even aware about my place that much on the forum before this compliment. After that - I looked for comments and looked for users who always admire me and my work. I easily discovered a circle.

When I found the circle I felt responsible. When I felt responsible then I started to think about my best skill to offer the community and I found that helping the community is the one I can do the most. I focused more on helping the community answering the stuffs they are looking for which I know. I never even thought of having ALTs, abusing ALTs comes later. My all focus was to build up a name for me, a positive impression using mdayonliner account so that I find more people who admire me. Who does not want to earn a name for themselves?

I was doing well until the escrow offering ambitious move and that was a mistake which I did not think of that time. The red from hilary was not even stopping me to perform my duty to the community, I was still doing my job. But every time when I found a bad finger pointing on me because of the red trust I felt bad. I even found in my local topic some people are telling me bad things and some other people are defending me, I found members are even thinking that I may sell merit if I become a merit source. All because of the red trust. Having a red trust is a huge burden for a user like me who are not known to a large number of users. I was tired of taking insults from the users who do not know me.

I don't mind having a red trust for offering a large sum (a mistake which I realized the weight later) but I do mind when people say... I am:
- A scammer
- Promoted ponzi on the forum
- A shady character
- A merit abuser
- Don't deal with this guy (me) he is not trustworthy
- Can sell merit if I become a merit source
etc etc. All because of the red trust I have where the red trust was given because I offered a large sum as a escrow but you will clearly see the interpretation of the members are not limited to the original reason. On top of it, marlboroza's questionable(?) red paint. The ponzi promoting topic was created long ago by xtraelv but why marlboroza was silent all those days and woke up far later even the hilary's tag? Why marlboroza wanted to know in PM that when I withdrew the escrow application (before or after the red tag from hilary)? When I responded then why did not marlboroza asked me anything else about it for long time. He was active and we had conversations with several other stuffs in between.

Anyway, back to the ALT and abusing bounty accusation, the new direction from xtraelv, the reason I had to break my rule and had to post another post from this account.

https://twitter.com/cDesignsUK and https://twitter.com/FollowMasudul are my twitter no doubt about it. I have participated few bounties in my entire bitcoinTalk life times but only CREDITS Ambassador Campaign is the one which I started from the beginning (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4361343.msg39299954#msg39299954) and stayed till the end (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4361343.msg44735937#msg44735937). This was the reason...
I got paid as well for the bounty: https://etherscan.io/tx/0x838f6d0ec680728b5e99267cefc14d73299ff0c88ce7a693a727ee647f3f74c7

Accounts bought into attention are so far...
phantiennghia (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1999151)
nguyenthanhhieu (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2145313)
quangtrung1991 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1786178)

and all used the twitter account: https://twitter.com/cDesignsUK

phantiennghia (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1999151): A user made 4 posts where one post has bounty submission (http://archive.is/GVG0J#selection-417.0-425.84) using my twitter handle
nguyenthanhhieu (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2145313): A user made 5 posts where one post has bounty submission (http://archive.is/98dj9#selection-503.1-513.84) using my twitter handle.

quangtrung1991 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1786178): Seems like a typical bounty hunter who posted my twitter username where s/he was suppose to post the Facebook URL (http://archive.is/xEse1#selection-6483.0-6485.30). What I assume is he wanted to copy my reporting format (http://archive.is/aYRA1#selection-5007.1-5009.30), forget to change the URL (http://archive.is/xEse1#selection-6485.0-6485.30). Notice the number of followers section: mdayonliner post has 2136 (http://archive.is/aYRA1#selection-5013.0-5013.25) which is close to the current followers 1736 and the other account post has 3023 followers (http://archive.is/xEse1#selection-6489.0-6489.25).

The post from quangtrung1991 account seems a mistake from the user where the other two users (phantiennghia and nguyenthanhhieu) post seems planed? or what could be the possible reason. Why would I (mdayonliner) will make two posts on June09 (http://archive.is/98dj9#selection-503.1-513.84) and June12 (http://archive.is/GVG0J#selection-417.0-425.84) from two brand new accounts created on April 03 and May 22 when I was doing very well with my mdayonliner account. FIY hilari tagged me on July 09. Another point worth to note is: The fight between me and xtraelv was started on May 19 (https://archive.is/5eQ3B#selection-6357.0-6357.78) precisely on May 09 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3168616.msg36795713#msg36795713). I have no accusation against anyone by the way coz I have really decided to give up from this account. My be I will start over, may be I already did, may be I will never look back to BitcoinTalk life.

But before I go, I would like to give you a final thought @The Pharmacist and others about this new acquisition: If I create few bitcoinTalk accounts and then start finding your tweets of a bounty campaigns you are and post them using those alts to frame you (perhaps) will that make you (the real The Pharmacist) a bounty abuser?

I tried my best to prove/defend my image on the forum even with this surprising new one (alt account and abusing bounty). On my defending and even all those past days I have never lied (consciously) which I only know. Certain things I can never change even if I try thousand times. I was never a perfect one and I don't expect to be one coz it's never possible for a human. It was a pleasure hanging out on this forum with all the goods and bads. May be someday I will come back proving everyone wrong that offering the 20BTC escrow was a legit one. I had no intention to walkaway with the money even the amount is a very very huge one.

Good luck everyone, good luck BitcoinTalk.

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Archive (http://archive.is/u32RB)

For me, this is maybe the most concerning things you have said yet, short of offering the escrow deal.

Searching for users who admire you? Trying to build a personal circle of users? It screams of narcissism and complete self-centeredness. You have pretty much just admitted that everything you did on the forum was for your own personal gain and achievement. With every post you made you weren't thinking "Does this contribute to the conversation?" but instead "Will this make more people admire me?"

The real question is why you were so desperate to build a "positive impression" so quickly. You ran your loan service no problem with no trust and even negative trust. You could have bought, sold or traded anything with no trust by using a trusted escrow, as many people do. You could probably even have started escrowing small amounts before long. Many people spend years on the forum with no trust rating but are still looked upon positively by the community. Being so desperate for positive trust makes you look more like a scammer.

Your self admission that "all your focus" was on gaining admirers is scary. Previously, I thought you were probably just naive offering that escrow deal. Now, I'm not so sure.

There is no doubt that I would like to consider Lafu a friend. We chat occasionally on discord. I neither know his real name and neither does he know mine (although I could easily find out) . I admire him for his knowledge and dedication towards helping others with crypto.  There are others on this forum that I would like to consider friends as well. People of who I don't know their RLI but chat with regularly regarding crypto. I doubt it precludes me from giving merit to them for a deserving post.

But for an exchange to take place there would have had to have been some sort of agreement. There was none. I never discussed merits with Lafu until after you made the allegation. I have no need for an account beyond "JrMember" since I never participate in bounties or signature campaigns. So merit is not important to me.

https://i.imgur.com/G0uXL3D.png

I was not caught exchanging merit. It was your allegation that I exchanged merit. Your methodology was flawed. I did not exchange merit. When I gave merit there was no expectation of anything in return.


Your involvement in "marketing stuff before joining the forum" was promoting ponzis. Lets call it what it is.

This is where the issue is. You accuse me of lying but you have not identified a single lie. I have offered to change any mistakes in the information.

All the evidence I have presented I have backed up with a source so people can check it themselves and draw their own conclusions.

Now you are trying to insinuate that I would frame you ? Those are just weasel words.

EDIT:
https://archive.fo/6r01l

OK, so you're saying someone else was using your genuine information in a bounty in order to frame you?  I'd be willing to give you the benefit of the doubt if it made sense to me why someone would do that.  In cases like these, it's seems to be always more likely that the person actually is enrolling alt accounts to earn more money.  And how do you explain that you posted the same Twitter link as nguyenthanhhieu did AFTER he'd already posted it?  Had he done this previously?

Can anyone find any more info that would link the accounts in question to mdayonliner?  I'm not a good blockchain detective by any means and not a great detective in general.  

As to the part I bolded above:  if you were to find evidence of something like that happening, I would expect someone to bring it forward and challenge me on it, and I'd expect a neg as a result.  But since I don't participate in bounties (just the Chipmixer campaign), don't use social media, it would be very hard for someone to frame me like that.

That's very much possible, and has happened to me. However, I'm not sure whether OP actually stated that or is talking about a hypothetical scenario.

There is nothing questionable in my feedback. Both feedback is true, previous one and new one.
I didn't wake up later, I am always here.
What conversations OMG. You sent me message to check something and I said I can't find anything and you should report it to admin. That can't be called conversation. What other conversation you have in mind? I can't find them in my PM.

Can you please point me several conversations between?

edited - "I can't find anything" was about something else.

WOW; this thread has made me reflect on a lot of things, as it is I never trusted anyone on this forum and this reinforces my earlier opinion.

BTW I see finally Lauda has red trust and The Pharmacist has yellow; although I am not in general agreement with the Pharmacist and even suspect him to be a blockchain nincompoop; the neg on him/her is in bad taste.

The part I bolded I wouldn't argue with and I've probably even said as much about myself in the past.

If the neg on me you're talking about is the one by iluvbitcoins, I'm over that issue and I resolved it from my end (I'm a he, BTW).  One thing I learned early on is that trust ratings and DT status can be fleeting.  I've seen a lot of members go from green to red and a few get booted from DT, including myself the first time I was added to the list.  That's just how it is here, and the more time you spend here the less you'll be surprised when stuff like this happens.

From what I have seen it is more of a curse than a benefit to be on the DT list.

Sometimes people just want to be trusted so they can make more money as quickly as possible here (nothing inherently wrong with that),  and sometimes people want to be trusted just so they can abuse that trust at some point and run off with as much money as possible. I'm really on the fence about mdayonliner. He could just be one of those naive guys who jumps into the deep end head first and wants to just make a bit of cash as fast as he can and however he can, or he could be one of those guys who would have just run off as soon as they earned enough trust to be trusted with a large amount of money. You could also start out with the greatest of intentions, but once someone entrusts you with a lot of cash it can make even a good man turn bad and we've seen a few previously very trusted people abuse their 'trusted' position here in the past once they got their hands on an amount they liked. Given mdayonliner ponzi past and a few other things it makes me trust him a lot less, but again, he could just be naively wanting to earn as much as he can, but it's the people who who will often make money whichever desperate way they can that you often have to be most weary of.


Sometimes it's not done to frame someone per se, but it's just bots or bounty spammers trying to abuse other user's publicly posted details. Most of these ICO crap campaigns are lax with their checking and many probably don't even do any sort of verification so it's easy for someone else to use some other users detail and post it as their own. Seen it happen numerous times and I've even seen someone using my name on spreadsheets to try claim bounties with their own address etc.

Every man has his price, as the old saying goes. Whether or not that's true, well that's a whole other discussion.

I've said it before, I think mdayonliner was just being too ambitious both in his efforts to make money and build a reputation for himself on bitcointalk--the latter is always why I thought he offered to escrow that huge amount.  But I also agree that once an amount like $100k is in someone's hands, there's got to be some temptation to just take it and run.  I never thought his escrow offer was a scam attempt, but it was ill-advised at best.

As far as the ponzi stuff goes, I have very mixed feelings on it, but only as far as when it happens on bitcointalk.  For one thing, ponzis have their own section here, so you know they're rampant and Theymos doesn't give a shit about them, and another reason is that I think most people who participate in these "investor-based games" basically know what they're getting into and that just like other forms of gambling, there's only a small chance of winning.  I've always thought that whole section should be nuked, but it must benefit the forum or the bitcoin community....or someone.

This is also why I tended to ignore mdayonliner's ponzi history and in general why I don't tag ponzi promoters--but I respect those members who do take a stand against them.

DT members definitely get a lot of shit for things they do or don't do, and as you know I've made some mistakes in tagging members based on bad evidence or bad judgement, and that doesn't give me a good feeling.

Trust issue comes when to judge that is a scammer or not and this lead to the proper system to identify the trusted people. But since here monetary facts involved, you deserve to get a red mark on your trust level. This forum is a huge platform now and there are so many scams around us. So it is one of the major responsibilities for the modos to have the right mark (Green or Red) beside the profile so that people can easily track whom to trust and from whom to stay away. Thanks seniors for flagging properly.

Sometimes people's goal is just to make money in any which way they can. I think his ponzi past it's relevant because there's usually a certain type of people who get involved with them - get rich schemers who don't really care how or why they get their money as long as it enriches them. Of course, many of them probably know what they're getting into and accept the risks, but if you're ok with making money from ponzis where you know someone is going to end up out of pocket it's not a big step to taking money that doesn't belong to you when you get the chance, especially when it's a huge amount and running off with it would likely have no repercussions legally. As with mdayonliner we will never know whether he would have or not, but the risk for me is too big to ignore unluckily for him. I never really trust anyone who offers to hold onto other's money when they're not qualified to and more often than not it does go sour when they do and that's why this is such a big issue that makes me intrinsically distrust people when they do it.

For what it's worth, I understand your position on this and respect it--and I know why you left that neg for mdayonliner.

In real life, I generally tend to look for the best side of people, though I'm not stupid enough to take everything people say and do at face value.  And yes, I've been fooled many times before and expect I'll be fooled again.  I try to take a much more skeptical approach on bitcointalk, where it seems like the proportion of scammers here is orders of magnitude greater than it is IRL. 


I suspect it's true for most people, unfortunately.  We've all seen seemingly good members go bad on bitcointalk when the potential to run away with someone's funds presents itself, and I'm pretty sure we've also seen this happen in business, politics, and a lot of other situations that have nothing to do with this forum. 

As for me, I'm going to try to be more vigilant, diligent, and fair when evaluating whether someone deserves a neg--and I'll do my best to not be so naive about members and the image they try to present to the forum.  I'm not comfortable when mistakes come back to bite me in the ass because I relied on someone else's blockchain detective work and handed out undeserved negs because of that.

I don't think I understood your question correctly. nguyenthanhhieu is not me so saying "you (me, mdayonliner which I understand I guess) posted the same Twitter link as nguyenthanhhieu did AFTER he'd (who?) already posted it? Had he(who?) done this previously?" is making me confuse. Can you rephrase it please?

However I guess I figured the confusion: If I am not wrong then we are talking about this two posts...
https://archive.fo/6wSFj#selection-3065.0-3065.84 post #1011
https://archive.fo/rQ5eg#selection-5981.0-5981.84 post #2199

And the twitter feed is:  https://twitter.com/cDesignsUK/status/1003628228907446278

It seems I (mdayonliner) made the last post (#2199). According to the twitter date-time I made this tweet/retweet (https://archive.fo/yfw53#selection-4045.0-4053.2) at 6:23 AM - 4 Jun 2018 (https://archive.fo/yfw53#selection-4065.0-4065.20) nguyenthanhhieu posted it on June 09, 2018, 05:11:05 AM
 (https://archive.fo/6wSFj#selection-3071.0-3071.26)

This is the post (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4361343.msg38961350#msg38961350) which I edited/updated with the draft reports (every time I made a twitter posts and/or facebook posts for the weeks. The original date of the post was May 30, 2018, last edited September 02, 2018). Once I completed the task for a week I copied the report part from the post and submitted the report for the week. Check all the report links posted from for all the weeks (week#1, #2, etc (http://archive.is/4dxQr#selection-3223.0-3299.1)).

What I assume is: for week #2 (post#2199) (https://archive.fo/rQ5eg#selection-5981.0-5981.84) I was staking my Twitter and Fecebook posts on the draft post#3 (http://archive.is/4dxQr#selection-3169.0-3169.72). Before I completed my task for the whole week nguyenthanhhieu copied from my draft post and made post#1011 (https://archive.fo/6wSFj#selection-3065.0-3065.84) on June 09, 2018 which was obviously before my reporting post for that 2nd week June 10, 2018. Now, I see I edited the post (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4361343.msg39837660#msg39837660) on June 17, 2018. I can not recall why I did that but most probably I edited any spelling mistake on the bottom part of the note I left for the bounty manager.

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Not exactly it's "any more" (How it's any more where there were no link at all. Anyone can post my twitter feed from their bitcoinTalk account and in this case they already did for whatever the reason)

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That's correct.

It was a hypothetical scenario which obviously was not meant to you but seems like it happened/happening to me.

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If I start listing the lies then I am sure there will be a long list however I am not sure if I am willing to do that but if that is very necessary then I will do that.

The job of a journalist is to provide information not to justify. From the beginning you picked a side, your motive was to destroy me. So you pulled the information and always left your judgement to manipulate the readers. The readers found some of the information from you which were truth and based on that they trusted your manipulated judgement as well.

This is how you started everything at the beginning...
The archive and original post can be read here: http://archive.is/CiVJK#selection-1431.0-1431.47
The changed contents of the same post are available here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4019640.msg37869385#msg37869385

Point is, you have edited and updated your posts so many times (after I left the responses of the original posts) that your motives at the very beginning and the motive the user get now (after reading the current contents) are totally opposite.

I guess it's important to know the source of an issue in between two person when they involve in arguments. Your editing and updating of old posts including bringing up those online businesses I was involved in the past - made a very good impression to the community to easily pick a side or why not anyone else (except marlboroza) were talking about (never really bothered to talk about) the last video where I declared publicly that I gave up promoting those businesses?

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When I was doing my investigation the user xtraelv had only 133 merits where 33 was earned. Out of that 33 merits, 13 were from Lafu (6 transactions )
https://i.imgur.com/Zmp4n6v.png
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1669443.msg36439011#msg36439011 (2)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1669443.msg36860882#msg36860882 (2)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1669443.msg32362928#msg32362928 (2)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1669443.msg31817321#msg31817321 (2)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1669443.msg31104253#msg31104253 (2)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1669443.msg30798924#msg30798924 (3)

There were 19 merits that sent to Lafu from xtraelv (3 transactions)
https://i.imgur.com/Ykl5rZZ.png
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1669443.msg36746425#msg36746425 (10)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1669443.msg33965514#msg33965514 (2)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1669443.msg31744134#msg31744134 (7)

All seemed (seems) sent for some customer service for Cryptopia topic. Source: http://loycevsbasement.privatedns.org/Merit/history/897509.html

How would I or anyone know? Everyone (including me) have no doubt about the xtraelv now that s/he are capable of earning merits and his/her judgement about sending merits are good enough but that time, people had no idea that the old xtraelv were capable of receiving merits and had a good judgement of sending merits specially after looking at the screenshots above.

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Questionable because you never wanted to answer the questions I left on the investigation topic.

By waking up I meant about the red trust you left for me. You could left one shortly after hilary tagged me or may be after the PM respond I left for you. What took you too long to tag me?

I had no idea that conversation means only the PMs (which is one or two I guess). Would you ignore the public conversations? https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4773983.0

https://i.imgur.com/uCfmTDk.png

Can you address this:


Can you address this:

$100K may not be much to you but I want you to understand that the issues on here is not about the forum been filled millionaires or poor people. Even since I'm on this forum doing escrow of any huge fund on this forum require two or three trusted parties signatures and trying to operate the escrow of huge fund alone will definitely raise a red flag which is what is happening now.

A good person can turn bad .

I'd personally rather err on the side of caution than think most people are angels who won't scam you given the chance, but scammers will be disproportional on here compared to real life because this is a board about magical internet money that you can't get back once you send it so it's the perfect money for scammers and that's why they flock here. Once they've scammed you that's it in 99% of cases. Money gone and you'll never see it again. If you can build up a bit of trust and rep and go for the long con then it's much easier to run off with a big amount at some point. I still wouldn't trust someone who comes up to me on the street and asks to borrow money though or someone I've known for year or so offers to escrow a large cash deal for me. Adding the layer of anonymity with the internet just makes things easier to go sketchy without repercussions.


Big Dicks is a troll; just ignore him. $100k is a lot of money to anyone unless you're a billionaire. $100k is a worth a lot more if you're not from the West too.

Mdayonliner, I was refering to xtraelv's post, #41 where it shows you posted the same likes & shares links as nguyenthanhhieu did the day prior.  I don't know if you explained that or if I missed the explanation or what. 

In any case, after reflecting on this I suspect this is an error you made when copying the report format from another post, which I've seen many bounty hunters do.  That was the basis for the feedback I left you.

I'd like to hear the opinions about this from xtraelv and any of the other members I generally trust who've posted in this thread.  Just about the possible bounty abuse and the credibility of the evidence presented here.

I am not sure either they are alt of Mdayonliner or not but according to My post/proof  (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5048262.msg47248860#msg47248860) they are same person.

I am not sure, these posts are very close and it doesn't make any sense to copy someone else's post while they could simple copy their own post and redact it (posts are 6 minutes apart), especially it doesn't make sense to use twitter account for facebook campaign:

https://i.imgur.com/HQRBWVg.png

Yet again, mday didn't use words "facebook account" as account quangtrung1991 in picture above, he used "link to facebook" (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4361343.msg38961350#msg38961350). They copied only his link?  :-\

As for account nguyenthanhhieu and their post https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4361343.msg39695720#msg39695720 only way they could have done this is to go to mday's twitter and copy/paste link. However, he mentioned something about:

So he either made mistake duo his sickness, someone used his twitter or someone tried to frame him.

I was thinking, only posts these accounts posted are bounty reports so why would they copy anyone's post? They are doing this on daily base, I am pretty sure they have their own drafts. Someone made mistake? I am not sure, I would say that it is possible that nguyenthanhhieu is his alt account, as this is probably first case I have seen that someone has used twitter report of random person before they even posted it.

If this can help the conversation.

About multi accounts with newbies with few posts:
I've found in the past some newbies posting with random data and accounts with also fake eth address only to increase the post count.
(So in my experience is not a solid proof and someone else can copypaste with bad intention, Image someone gets redtrust and makes a newbie account with the giver of feedback data and report it as alt after few months)

About spreadsheet: Anyone can put fake data, I've found mine also few times, one I've also found Lauda or Mitchell profile, here the report as example https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1snYAM149wlNDyh0_lkR1I3ZQdHkI9Rme-P0IFG9EvBs/edit?usp=sharing from this bounty: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1z9fTA-P8zynx-I3GEzGaY1IVTtDPYzaL8JkCskPC764/edit#gid=1610161553

About Credits managering: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4815408.0

I'm not saying he is innocent or guilty, but I don't think posts from a random 4 posts newbie is a solid proof of alt abusing.

phantiennghia - post is incomplete an just looks weird. It would not benefit Mdayonliner in a bounty.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1999151;sa=showPosts

quangtrung1991
Typical account farmer / bounty hunter linked to several accounts.
I haven't looked at this one closely yet.
There social media accounts are blocked / banned / suspended.
https://twitter.com/SDCulinaryInfo?lang=vi
https://i.imgur.com/S5bEX4E.png


nguyenthanhhieu
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2145313;sa=showPosts
Follows Creative designs with their twitter.
https://twitter.com/HieuNt2995/following
https://i.imgur.com/5vH9SW6.png

So it is possible that they were following Mdayonliner and used his post before he did.

I'm on the fence about that one. There are not enough posts on nguyenthanhhieu profile to compare posting style.

nguyenthanhhieu looks like part of an account farm. Look at the time between posts.
https://i.imgur.com/rfqB2lk.png

Currently there is not a lot of evidence to support it other than that link.

I'd be tempted to give him the benefit of doubt since he did expose a lot of account farmers through his activities on here. It is quite possible that it is either a template copy or deliberate attempt to discredit him.
His reaction to the accusation makes me think that they are not his alts.

Yeah, I already removed the neg I had on him after some consideration of the possibilities of what could have happened.  I know a lot of folks disagree with me on this, but I never thought mdayonliner had any scammy intentions though I admit I cannot know what his intentions are/were. 

I'm somewhat aware of the Ponzi accusations against him, and I've already expressed my opinion about that and about Ponzis as they're conducted as a form of gambling on bitcointalk.  Mdayonliner has always struck me as an individual who's trying to make a lot of money very quickly and tried to establish a reputation for himself here waay too quickly.  The escrow offer was ill-advised, and he paid for that with a neg from hilariousandco.

Whatever the case may be, I don't see enough evidence that he used alt accounts to abuse a bounty.  I thought I did, but now I'm not comfortable with that "evidence" or with leaving him a neg.  If any concrete proof comes along, I will definitely consider it and act accordingly.

Thanks The Pharmacist. I never thought to have an alt, never wanted to make big money (which compromise basic human morals) using the forum, never wanted to break any rule(consciously). I gave my best to respect the rules, to respect the community, to keep things in order to help the community. I fell for Bitcoin long ago. Then when I found the community, I felt the urge to do something for the community to help the concept of decentralized currency economy. I wanted to have a good impression of my image, I wanted to create a good brand for my name. I guess it's a very common motivation.

This is for the readers:
I promoted some business in the past (before joining the forum like I said all the time and that's truth) which are not acceptable for some groups (here in this forum, they have different opinions and views) but those who know the industry, know (knew me while I was involved) me, know the business model, know how to sell online products (like anything), know how to learn skills - they always expressed their gratitude, we respected each others, many of them still ask for guidelines from me even though they know I left the industry. I was involved with advertising (https://www.statista.com/topics/990/global-advertising-market/) (precisely online marketing) industry (https://www.statista.com/topics/990/global-advertising-market/). I promoted several affiliate products (like Ledger products, different hosting services, eBooks, digital educational materials, physical products along with all those online businesses which marked as ponzi business here for some groups) and that requires skills. Try to sell a pen online (not just list it on ebay or AliExpress, think how ebay got their name, think how AliExpress got their name - create an eCommerce brand)  and see for yourself what it takes. These days production is easy but creating marketplace, finding customers to sell your products is the hardest part.

I realize, offering the escrow of 20BTC was very ambitious and that was a mistake I made.

Anyway, I do not have any regret for what I did in the past, I always knew/know my intentions which were/are not to harm anyone and that matters for me. If you can not align with me then it's not my problem, perhaps it's not your problem too. It's the different life experience, different social status, different motivations between you and me. I am proud of what I achieved, I am proud of myself.

Lately, I have decided to change my mind. If I quit then no one will ever know who was mdayonliner, who was me. Perhaps people will conclude me as a ponzi promoter or someone who wanted to scam big money (perhaps this 20BTC escrow deal) and when failed, he left. I don't want to put this bad label next to me. From now on, I will continue with mdayonliner and will keep doing that I was doing all those days. I missed my days on bitcointalk.

Thanks that you realized. But it's too late. I am not your hater, I just want to repeat TP reply. You always try to argue and convince second party. You had not tried to convince yourself. I can't remember who quoted that, but it's true, However welcome back. Hope you will correction yourself, not just this account. Change should be on person behaviour, it could be this account or others account  ;) Best of luck ...

People most of the time are very judgmental, i know you just want to let everyone know, and it's up to use to believe it anyway... But it would be nice to see other people that deals with you will testify that you're not a scammer just what other thinks of you.