You think I am a scammer? mdayonliner's reputation

[mdayonliner]

Since I received red trust from hilariousandco (I don't care about marlboroza's one coz it basically repeated hilari's psychology) forum members started to think that I am a scammer or someone who done bad thing/s (money involved) on the forum or anywhere else.

Actually the only two profiles that i've recognized on the site were the ones you mentioned.

to trick new users.

By picking 2 negatively trusted users?

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=149737
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1432468

That wouldn't really comfort me to bet all that much if that were to be all/my only reference of said site.

OTOH, red trust for the other things seems to indicate a general tendency to easily sell out for a few bucks.
Wich is definitely not a quality I'd like to see in a merit source.

Lutpin already removed the Red Tag on mydayonliner, trust isn't the only thing that should be relied on, In fact OP has already done a good job here, although he failed on sime attempt to offer beeing an escrow.
And I think it has nothing to do with his application as Merit Source.

Again, a merit-source should be somewhat trustworthy.
I can easily imagine a situation where a rogue merit source could undermine the whole recent changes to the ranking system, where 1 merit is all that stands between us and the Spambiecalypse.

There are numerous occasions where people called me scammer, they did not trust me because I have negative in my profile.

Having negative trust on my profile does not mean that I scammed anyone or even tried to scam anyone on this forum or anywhere else. Even, I never asked a penny from anyone in this site.

If having negative trust on a profile means that someone is a scammer (cheated or stole money or done shady activities in anywhere) then the entire trust system is a misleading system because in my whole life I never committed such action. Hope it make sense. You guys make me regret joining this community and using my real identity.

I received negative because I offered an escrow service which hilariousandco thought I may run away (note the keyword may run away) with the money. Does that mean I committed a crime to get punished mentally?

Some of you may say that it's a forum and don't take it in heart, I will suggest you to wear my shoes then to advise me not to get hurt. I should not use my real identity which I regret now. You guys tagged me as a scammer where the real mdayonliner, the forum user mdayonliner, the real masudul never even took a penny from anyone.

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[LoyceV]

I received negative because I offered an escrow service which hilariousandco thought I may run away (note the keyword may run away) with the money. Does that mean I committed a crime to get punished mentally?

From what I can tell, the amount you wanted to escrow is worth many average annual incomes in your country. As they say: "opportunity makes the thief", and even though I don't think you had bad intentions, that large amount of money would have been very tempting for a very long time.
On top of that: if you're an escrow, you're responsible for that amount. What if you somehow lose it? I highly doubt you'll ever be able to repay it.

To answer your question: I don't think you're a scammer. But I wouldn't call you trustworthy either. In my book, being trustworthy means staying far under any reasonable amount you can be trusted with. The fact that you offered to escrow means you were asking to be trusted with at least 500 times more than what's justified by your history on this forum. To stay safe, you should not have offered to escrow more than 10% of what your trust at that moment justified (so that puts you at 0.004 Bitcoin, instead of 20 Bitcoin).

(the numbers above are more or less arbitrary to illustrate the point I'm trying to make)

[The Cryptovator]

I am not sure, why have you opened this thread? Are you trying to force people's to trust you ? Is there any specific reason to trust you?

Obviously you are good poster but it doesn't mean you are trustworthy. This is applicable for all, not only for you. Even I can't say I am good poster, it's depend on community. Trust is same, you can't determine that you are trusted. It's totally depends on community.


To be honest, your over smart & over confident is responsible for your tag. You always want to show yourself more that you are. Everyone will see you on dubious eye's once you will try to escrow huge amount. And 20 BTC isn't small amount at all. You just saw thread and apply for escrow but you didn't apply for manager instead of apply for escrow. That's call over smart and over confident. Is it not really greedy activity ? I think it's enough to tag someone. And there is comment why are you tagged. hilariousandco didn't mention on comment you are scammer, he has mentioned just what are you trying. If I am not wrong you were a full member once you have applied for escrow. That time you didn't have green trust. I can't remember there is any escrow without green trust. Correct me if I am wrong. Also you have tagged by Lutpin for merit beg. Although it's neutral but if some one think that, a merit begger are not able to escrow 20 btc than he will not wrong (imo). This is basic things.

You exposing yourself somehow. In some case silent is better than noise.  It's better keep silent yourself regarding trust matter.

Don't take it personally. I describe what I think. May be I am wrong. Personally I believe you are a good poster more than me. But I can't trust you with fund.  

Sorry for broken English.

[hilariousetc]

Having negative trust on my profile does not mean that I scammed anyone or even tried to scam anyone on this forum or anywhere else. Even, I never asked a penny from anyone in this site.

Yes you did. You literally asked someone to send you over $100k and that's what you got the negative feedback for. There is no way to know what you would have done with that money had you been sent it but I think the chances of you just running off with it were very high. That sort of money could make even an honest man turn into a scammer and people will run off with much less. Of course you could have had every intention of safely holding the money and returning it when asked but that's something we'll never know. The feedback doesn't say you're a scammer but to trade with caution and lists the reasons why I find you untrustworthy, but you can't do anything about how others interpret that other than telling them to actually read the feedback and that no money was ever actually scammed.

[marlboroza]

I don't care about marlboroza's one coz it basically repeated hilari's psychology

His english is a way better than my and sometimes I echo other comments - it means I agree with feedback and I would have sent the same one. Don't worry, I'll change it now, it seems it bothers you.

someone who done bad thing/s (money involved) on the forum or anywhere else.

https://youtu.be/Sr0t0pCLy_0?t=46

Watch it carefully. Ross Davis explained it best.

I never asked a penny from anyone in this site.

Yes you did.

No, he never asked for penny, he asked shitload of money 

[TheUltraElite]

Considering the negative tag on for being a ponzi promoter, you still have not responded to the accusations here where a simple yes or no would have sealed the deal- https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4221113.0

You may have been trying your level best to garner an opinion about yourself so as to establish yourself as NOT a scammer; typically what QS did in the past - to make his lies seem legitimate and so as to get other people to think they were actually helping people. In my book you are ponzi promoter and thus you deserve your negative tag for that.

Now let us look into some of your recent actions:

Considering the fact that you are from Bangladesh and have been recently trying to get some of the pinned threads translated into Bengali. So you are trying to get more people involved in it? Bitcoin and transacting in bitcoins is illegal as per the government there and I am sure you already know about it. Did you know about it?

[actmyname]

The actions you committed are analogous to that of those in the Lending section that are attempting to get a loan with neither prior reputation nor collateral.Those users are given negatives.

[Theb]

Even though the money was not sent to you, I think it is the right call for hilarious on tagging you as it serves as warning to others that you are trying to escrow a large deal without even having an experience of handling near that amount. Yes you have a few successful transactions here in the forum but it is only worth hundreds at best which is very far from the 100,000$ you are attempting to get. You are simply not qualified to handle such amount, there is no even any record of you having a successful escrow service in your trust summary.

Hilarious is right to say that the chances of you running away with that money is always there, you might be extremely tempted with that kind of amount as you never have handled any amount ranging up to 100,000$.

[BitcoinSupremo]

I want very much to believe you but since you had no previous history of trading or escrowing , no one knows what would you have done with that money. In my country that amount is worth 2 years of work in a very good high paying company and I am in the middle of Europe, Italy. In your country that money is probably worth more than 2 years of income and hilarious is right to warn others, your mistake was to open such thread in the first place of escrowing large amount of money. Anyway if it can comfort you by looking at your post history I would trade with you without problem but not very big amounts, max up to 1000 Euro and I think you would not go far beyond that point too.

[LoyceV]

Considering the fact that you are from Bangladesh

I had a different country in mind, this makes the average salary even lower. Quora puts it at $157 per month on average, averagesalarysurvey.com makes it 10 times higher for high paying jobs. That makes 20 Bitcoin worth many years up to a few lifetimes of labour.

[Findingnemo]

Considering the fact that you are from Bangladesh and have been recently trying to get some of the pinned threads translated into Bengali. So you are trying to get more people involved in it? Bitcoin and transacting in bitcoins is illegal as per the government there and I am sure you already know about it. Did you know about it?

Speaking Bengali doesn't mean he is from Bangladesh because in some part of India too the language Bangali is in practice so he maybe trying to help some Bengali's not bangladesihs! Or he just did for some merits.

[The Sceptical Chymist]

I'm not up to speed on what the ponzi accusations are against mdayonliner, but I have mixed feelings about tagging ponzi promoters on bitcointalk anyway.  Most (but not all) people here know these schemes are just a game and that ultimately most players are going to lose.  I can see how scammy they are and I do understand why ponzi promoters get tagged.

But aside from the ponzi stuff, I think the feedback about the escrow offer was somewhat harsh--but again, I completely understand hilariousandco's reasoning.  If you don't have a reputation as an honest escrower, and suddenly you offer your services to a deal requiring the escrow to hold an amount like $100k, you couldn't convince me the noob escrow wouldn't be tempted to take the money and run, and that the motivation behind offering to do that escrow would be to do just that. 

My opinion is that mdayonliner is just being too ambitious in trying to establish a reputation here on the forum.  Aside the popularity contest aspect of having a good reputation, if you have a good trust score it makes it much easier to do deals if you're so inclined or to leverage that trust for any number of other purposes.  I think when he offered to do the escrow, he was trying to build his reputation quicker, sort of in the same manner of newcomers who start off trying to bust scams.  So ultimately I think he was being way too ambitious, but my gut feeling tells me that his intention wasn't to scam.  However, when you're dealing with online personalities, huge sums of money, and an irreversible and semi-anonymous currency, you just never know.  Even members like Master-P, who was previously trusted, ran off with a small fortune.

Bottom line is that the escrow offer was ill-conceived at best.  I think the red trust was probably necessary as a warning.  Whether it stays put or not, hopefully mdayonliner has learned his lesson here.

[TheUltraElite]

Considering the fact that you are from Bangladesh

I had a different country in mind, this makes the average salary even lower. Quora puts it at $157 per month on average, averagesalarysurvey.com makes it 10 times higher for high paying jobs. That makes 20 Bitcoin worth many years up to a few lifetimes of labour.

Bangaledeshi currency is much lower in value than USD hence the average daily necessities can easily be covered by the amount of bitcoins that OP has gather by scamming others from his ponzis.

So we can assume that his entire family tree is now having a lot of money spend and enjoy their lives for at least a decade. Also since he is trying to gather more people to follow his kool-aid crew we can assume he will continue his methods of promoting ponzis.

Speaking Bengali doesn't mean he is from Bangladesh because in some part of India too the language Bangali is in practice so he maybe trying to help some Bengali's not bangladesihs! Or he just did for some merits.

He IS from bangladesh. This is proven by the fact that his brother himself is also another Bangladeshi and so is his wife. Stop commenting without having gone through the entire Investigation thread on the OP and his brother (mahimonliner)'s ponzi promotion propaganda on youtube and which has been posted in this forum.

Bottom line is that the escrow offer was ill-conceived at best.

Offering an escrow without prior trades is an attempted scam. This much I have learnt from being here for this short period of 2.5 years.

[eddie13]

My opinion is that mdayonliner is just being too ambitious in trying to establish a reputation here on the forum

I don't know if it's so much about reputation as it is mdayonliner acting too big for their britches..
You know how teenagers think they know everything and end up saying some stupid shit, or the little kid that thinks he wants to drive a car because it looks easy.. They just don't know what they just don't know, or don't even know the damage they could cause..

Even if mdayonliner wasn't trying to scam one of my first thoughts is I wonder what method of storage they planned to use? Hold it in their exchange wallet?
If that was my money I surely would want it in the hands of a very experienced coinholder that knows the caveats and pitfalls of coinhandling very well.. It is just too easy to make a mistake and lose coins if trying to handle them yourself or even place them in an insecure environment such as potentially compromised hardware or a 3rd party..
Screw up making a cold wallet and coins are gone like the wind..

I think mdayonliner could possibly get another chance some day if they show humility of their inexperience, an understanding that their is a lot left to know before you could ever hope to play with the big dogs like that..

I received negative because I offered an escrow service

If you didn't even know that common etiquette you surely don't know enough to handle coin like that and you need to start realizing it..
You didn't even know you were committing suicide did you? You have much to learn grasshopper..

p.s. it's best to learn from others previous mistakes than to have to learn from your own out of ignorance, the hard way..

[Patatas]

I don't think you're a scammer just like I don't think anyone with dark green trust is a legit trader. Fact is, regardless of the trust status, one should be extra careful while dealing with members on the forum. Personally, I wouldn't mind trading with you if the deal involves an escrow and you have sufficient proofs to carry out the deal effortlessly. The procedure would be the same if I were dealing with any green trusted member.

I know the red trust looks bad on your profile but someone left it there because you raised red flags which I agree with.

[Don Pedro Dinero]

If I were you I would lock the thread and I would continue using the forum as you have already been doing. Insisting on this doesn’t help your case. You can continue posting, lending, earning from sig campaigns, so on.

In a forum where there is money involved, there are continuous attempts of scam, and even former trusted members sometimes turn scammers, like Master-P, who has been mentioned here and also TradeFortress. So, it is sensible to be very cautious with anyone.

You guys tagged me as a scammer where the real mdayonliner, the forum user mdayonliner, the real masudul never even took a penny from anyone.

I’m not going to wait until someone steals my money to take preventive measures, I take preventive measures to prevent my money from being stolen, no matter if I have never had money stolen from me.

[TMAN]

No offence fella, but I don't trust you. I don't trust anyone who offers to escrow large amounts without any experience or serious financial backing.

There are lots and lots of members here who have held BTC and physical collectibles for me and I trust them implicitly, but anyone new wanting to be an escrow will instantly be not trusted by me and many other members unless they are able to prove that they are trusted, either with a series of trades, offering multi sig or the fact that they are a fucking whale.

 

[mdayonliner]

From what I can tell, the amount you wanted to escrow is worth many average annual incomes in your country...

Not sure which country you are talking about coz I live in one country but my native country is another one. Point is - how or why a country is/was relevant?¹

I don't think you had bad intentions...

I did not have bad intentions. I did not even know what was 2/3 multisig address as all that time before you mention it. I admit I acted very stupid.

I am not sure, why have you opened this thread? Are you trying to force people's to trust you ? Is there any specific reason to trust you?

Thinking I am not a scammer or all the bed stuffs about me does not mean that I am asking people to trust me.

Obviously you are good poster but it doesn't mean you are trustworthy.

How posting (good or bad) could be relevant to trust¹?

Correct me if I am wrong. Also you have tagged by Lutpin for merit beg. Although it's neutral but if some one think that, a merit begger are not able to escrow 20 btc than he will not wrong (imo). This is basic things.

I am really having hard time to understand the point you are trying to make. How the merit begging issue and the escrow is relevant. Seems like everything you are trying to say is - whatever I do you want me to establish as a bad one. Do we have any previous issue¹?

About the merit begging issue by Lutpin... Read...

Hi mate,
I am writing you about the neutral tag you made.


I Understand your point of view. I may did the same thing until I had a clear explanation before removing it.

Seems like very early days mistake (February 02, 2018: Merit introduced on 25th means after only 8 days), I did not have any idea what I was doing here. I may have few more shit posts like this until I realized the value of the forum and started studying the forum and engaging with the community.

I have deleted the red marked part however for your reference here I have kept an archive.is copy. I am trying to be brutally honest, if you find any more this kind of stuffs then fee free to PM me if possible, I will remove it. Looking at my post history page, it's really hard for me to find these kind of posts (if I made any) to remove them.

I hope you understand and remove the neutral tag if possible.

Regards,

Make some points: I admitted that it was begging in bitcointalk dairy, it was done not even 8 days gone past the merit system introduced (people even sent 50 merits to each others that time because they were unsure about the whole system and stuffs), I intentionally kept the evidences, because I felt that removing evidence is not a good thing. But seems like people are using it against me...

Don't worry, I'll change it now, it seems it bothers you.

Yes it does, and it also means that you try very hard to show your importance on the forum. Your trusts are too cheap for me.

...you are making your red trust too cheap. Think about it.

https://youtu.be/v__qBmkuqF0

There is no way to know what you would have done with that money had you been sent it...

But leaving the feedback means you knew the outcome or technically you guessed the outcome and acted without even bothering the correction I made. I withdraw the offer immediately, I sent you PM about it but you never responded.

Hi hilariousandco,
Just withdraw the application I did not have all those negative things in mind.

And about the investigation topic. I and marlboroza had conversations few times. I have explains the facts to him/her clearly. The OP created that topic against me because he was mad at me. He accused me for things which I never done in the forum lifetime.

I will appreciate if you take your time and read the contents of that investigation topic and this topic as well where the OP was mad at me for tagging him for merit abusing. The entire things from OP was biased by his madness.

I guess you are seeing me on the forum all the time. I never took any step which legitimately harm my reputation. I always respect value of the forum and also I never did any harm to anyone consciously. It's against my strong moral. I hope my activities in the forum backs up my claim.

After your investigation if you are satisfied then would you please remove the rad tag. Feel free to ask any question if you have.

Thanks for considering.

Worth to mention the PM, sent to marlboroza when s/he asked me about the situation.

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Update:
I withdraw my interest.

Did you withdraw your interest before or after you got tagged?

After seeing hilariousandco's response, I composed this this message, then updated the thread where I showed my interest then while I was adding the update section (on the bottom) - I noticed the red trust for the first time. So I believe the tag happened at the same time while I was busy writing and withdrawing my interest and updating the threads.

Side note: My email notification for that topic is on. I was online too. So, when I saw the email notification I immediately visited the topic to see the update and then I saw hilariousandco's response. And then without wasting any time I started composing my reply coz I had this feeling that hilariousandco was not happy about it.

Thanks mate for asking me. I appreciate it.

Considering the fact that you are from Bangladesh and have been recently trying to get some of the pinned threads translated into Bengali. So you are trying to get more people involved in it? Bitcoin and transacting in bitcoins is illegal as per the government there and I am sure you already know about it. Did you know about it?

Bitcoin was illegal to many other countries. I do not think any government STILL like us to use Bitcoin. One of the reason for you and others to be anonymous is that you don't want to get caught for using Bitcoin. Look mate - I understand your are trying to point something else but truth is whatever I want to do is to help my local community. People like you are too skeptical to anything. Please stop calling my wife whenever you get chance.

No offence fella, but I don't trust you.

I am not offended mate. I do understand your views.

¹ Don't bother to answer the questions coz after this post (I may just forget about this forum completely or may consider creating another account /This time anonymous like most of you all have/) I will login to this forum only to communicate with the loan thread I have (There are few people who took loan from me and still on their process to give them back although I am not sure how much I will get back). I love Bitcoin and wanted to be part of the forum to promote bitcoin (I still can do my job by the way, this forum should not be the only option for me). I never had any bad intentions and will never have one coz deep down I know myself although this proves nothing for you except criticism from some of you. Thanks to the well wishers I made here also the haters. Good luck everyone.

[The Sceptical Chymist]

Not sure which country you are talking about coz I live in one country but my native country is another one. Point is - how or why a country is/was relevant?

The point is that the more the amount means to a given person, the more likely he might be to scam.  It has more to do with your local economy or how much you make than what the actual country is.  A millionaire (in USD) probably wouldn't scam for $1000, but someone living in a homeless shelter with only lint in his pockets might very well be tempted to.

[Dig Bicks]

100k isn't that much money.  I guess there are a lot of poor people on these forums.  I seems most  all the bitcoin millionaires have left this place for good.

Even being a millionaire isn't considered wealthy these days, that is reserved for billionaires.