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This just hit the news all over the place

Explosive Devices Sent to Clintons, Obama and CNN
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/10/24/nyregion/clinton-obama-explosive-device.html (https://www.nytimes.com/2018/10/24/nyregion/clinton-obama-explosive-device.html)

The right wing is just doing what Trump wants, the mob and journalists are the enemy of the people and they must be terrorized by Trumps base!

It's more now, CNN got one and I thought I just heard Holder got one as well...  Looks like it's more than that even, I just heard a report of 7 packages delivered to people that Trump has attacked on Twitter and in his rallies...

Fucking right wing nut jobs or IOW Trump NATIONALISTS!!!!!!!!!!!

Republicans produce terrorists, democrats produce affordable health care!

That is sad. Probably done by a right wing extremist with some serious psychiatric disorder.

I am sure this is all just a coincidence that all these people promoting this invasion caravan stuff suddenly are all getting "bombs" in the mail, right before the elections. Gotta cast yourself as the victim just like the invasion caravan. Funny, Soros's employee was pretty ballsey moving it rather than following the standard procedure of leaving the device in place and contacting law enforcement. Of course moving an IED is a little less nerve wracking if you know it won't go off...

Also notice the FBI nor the ATF are confirming that they were ACTUAL explosive devices yet, only that they "appeared to be explosive device(s)". Since standard operating procedure is to blow up the devices, there would be little way to know if it was actually armed or not. This reeks as yet another desperate last ditch attempt to salvage midterms for the Democrats.

It truly amazes me that some people can completely dismiss multiple high profile democrats receiving bombs in the mail...

Would you dismiss it so easily if multiple republicans and Fox News got mailed bombs?  I'm guessing not since I have seen your hypocrisy before

I wasn't expecting a conspiracy theory until at least page 3, well done.

Even Trump had the self-awareness to not go full retard before all facts are known. Most of the recipients are targets of right-wing rhetoric but largely irrelevant to Democrats. No sane person on the left gives a shit about Wasserman-Shultz or Holder or even Clinton so why would they set up such a lame conspiracy to send fake bombs to some has-beens who are not part of midterms in any way? Butthurt Bernie supporters perhaps? 2 years later?


One was a addressed to Holder but had a return address of Debbie Wasserman-Shultz, so it ended up at her address.

I didn't dismiss it, I said it was done for an ulterior motive, likely not even by their enemies. Also, as I said the conclusion they were actually explosive devices has not been stated by the FBI or ATF, only that they "appeared to be." As I explained the standard procedure is to blow the device in place, so chances are we will never know for sure. It could have simply been a box off unassembled components of a bomb, no one would ever be able to tell the difference after it is detonated with added explosives used to deactivate it.

When a bunch of Republicans got sent ricin a few weeks back you didn't see me here blaming Democrats over it. Also everyone knows now days these high profile people are like the 10th person to check out their mail. There was never any risk to any of them. This is exactly the kind of Hail Mary move they would make out of desperation. They constantly must fill the role of victim to sell their narrative. Also exactly the kind of movie script people who live in TV land would suck up and ask for more. In reality, things almost never have such a clear narrative.

Also all of these people are complicit in very serious federal crimes, and they know prosecution is on the way. What better way to elicit sympathy than looking like they are under physical attack as they literally call for incivility themselves, and support the mass invasion of our country. This was very carefully timed, it was not a coincidence.

Ask some simple questions like any investigator...

Who benefits from this?
Who has the ability and means to pull this off?
What does this accomplish?
What possible motivations could be behind this?
Why is the timing so close to midterm elections?
Who has traditionally occupied the rhetoric of victimization?
What could this serve to distract from?

I'm not one to jump to conclusions, or believe in conspiracies in general, but...

It IS kinda coincidental that the packages are sent to Trumps most vociferous critics, not one exploded, and the timing; right before the midterm...  Since the recent "Kavanaugh Effect" has been demonstrably hurtful the Democrats, it wouldn't surprise me if some Left Wing Extremest did this in an attempt to turn the tables.

The packages are being taken to Quantico for disassembly.  If we don't hear anything about it tomorrow, you'll know TecShare was right.  If the left wing media buries the story we'll know it's because it won't help the Democrats.


Critical thinking doesn't seem to be at all common anymore.  Just look over in the Altcoin board for proof.

I don't see how an arbitrary deadline can tell us the motive of this act. The FBI will take as much time to investigate as they need, whether it's done today or next week or next year.

My guess is if they are not real bombs, the FBI ought to know by tomorrow.  If that's the case the New York Times will have one paragraph about it, on the back page, under the Estee Lauder ad.

The left wing is sending fake bombs just to have something to blame on the right wing.

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That still doesn't mean anything. To have any hint of a motive the FBI at the very least would need to figure out who did it. Which shouldn't be too hard - it's almost impossible to mail a package anonymously these days.

What's the sentence for mailing a bomb?

Probably at least a decade, right?

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My conspiracy, if I'm even allowed an opinion here, is it was government sanctioned to distract the entire media from the whole middle east thing.

Way more close to home story rather than just a state-sanctioned murdered journalist; also an attack on United States citizens > foreign people.

Oh, looks like all the targets were Trump's targets, turns out he incited this violence.


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- https://www.reddit.com/r/politics/comments/9r3vym/cnn_to_trump_you_incited_this/e8e0l9d

If i could have a bet on it i would bet the DEMS done it themselves..

9/11 towers that blew up fox news cnn all in on it    So i wonder who is in on this event..
The scum bums would do anything for monies.. Why can't you loy who have been in power just get lost  Not to be seen anymore? You have enough monies and still you want more ::)..Greedy RATS ..ARRR is your power going?     no one cares what spews out your rotten faces anymore?  ;D..

My money is on Obama clintons and cronies who have done this to themselves for an agenda   The i am losing my power game :D..
If i was the police i would look at THE DEMS  first i would always have them as 1 suspect  as well as others  ;)..

Fox news your station is becoming just as bad as CNN   been bought out by comcast?  ..

ALL THE MEDIA   IN MAIN NEWS IS BULLSHIT   DON'T BELIEVE NONE OF THEM   NOT1..

I find it finny that even a news reader would hang their own citizens for a pay packet      ALL FOR A PAY PACKET :o..

Oh sam the news reader it's just come in our ear from above to pretend we are not killing millions for a pay packet ;) :D  GREEDY  :D..

The news the doctors the judges the police mother teresa god would all tell you lies even if it's means death for MONIES :D :D..

Power=money=power OR  money=power=money  what ever the sum starts with           it will always involve the monies..RICHES easy life ..

Who ever believes the DEMS even TRUMPS don't believe no one i warn you..100 YEARS as a punishment for cheating BERNIE you should never be allowed in power ..

Plus Bernie you should of fought for your right to have been the dems leader   but you got cheated because they didn't want to give the USA young kids a free education..

No bernie will give free this and that and even clinton didn't want you all to get it..

VOTE TRUMPS 4 MORE YEARS ..The FBI  CIA  DEMS DOJ   Just to name a few  all are ROTTEN TO THE CORE..RATS who benefit themselves and look at every joe like a meal ticket for themselves  ...

If you have CIVIL WAR   blame the leaders and fox news cnn and many other media outlets ..

WE THE PEOPLE ARE SICK OF YOUR GREEDY FUCKING LIES  ..Get a real job you BUMS.. :D  dig obama see what it's like to really work  you bum  ..
Also what cases did you even win as a lawyer?  SHIT CASES   more a black protester for the monies  i will tell the blacks bullshit they vote me in and i make monies for me and my family  ..1.2 TRILLION every year you was in power racked up 10 trillion in debt the blcks now have to pay back :D :D..

Get paying it BLACK USA  Obama made you a BLACK DEBT SLAVE..  well at least he never had you picking cotton   Oh i forgot he locked you up instead to work for free..

So your theory is that Trump "sanctioned" this to implicate himself? You should get your own AM radio show.

From the WSJ editorial board:

I would say shame on those in this thread who are attempting to politicize this act of terrorism.  
Trump was right to quickly condemn this act of terrorism, and he was right to describe this as an attack on our democracy. This type of behavior has no place in our society.

I can't say if this is a "false flag" or not, however it is very shameful for those on the left to claim this is somehow Trumps fault, when it has been many on the left actively advocating for what can reasonably be described as acts of violence on the right.

Until people realize the left is the right.


Until people realize the right is the left.

There is no hope for us all.

As any Conservative here (and also a lot of Liberals) will tell you, CNN is irrelevant. This is how the right largely sees it, as a joke. I have never once, even on comment sections on the net, seen ANYONE EVER suggest carrying out acts of violence on CNN. Right wingers aren't forming mobs outside of CNN headquarters trying to bust the doors down, now or ever. The concept itself is quite retarded and would accomplish nothing... unless of course your only intent was to pick a handful of people who most symbolized the left and cast them as victims. This is a pathetic attempt at relevancy for these people.

This demonizing of public figures is source of the problem. They're people, and are just trying to get by, like anyone else.

The higher you up on the ladder, the more visible your ass is, and the more you're associated with shit.

Displays of hate such as this will not end until we solve the scarcity problem and provide at least a feeling of freedom and abundance for everyone.

Oh please do keep pretending this is not a RESIST™ branded Hollywood production.

https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-10-25/suspicious-package-found-outside-nyc-home-actor-robert-de-niro

This is their calling card. Their hubris reeks and covers every thing they do. They never know when enough is enough and insist on jumping the shark over and over.

Republican vs Democrat is a silly game that rich people play to keep us fighting against each other instead of fighting them

There is a reason they keep it pretty close to 50%/50% for 200+ years... it is not an accident that the control keeps swapping back and forth between parties every 8 years... this is all by design

If one party was truly better than the other, we wouldn't have such a 50/50 split... they both try to be evil enough that they only get 50% of the vote

More people hate the other party more than they like their own... everyone knows their own party lies to them (unless they are completely ignorant)... it is never a choice between the best person for the job... it is always a choice between the lesser of two evils... because both parties always nominate someone evil

You should tell that to your pussy grabbing megalomaniac who doubled down on his attack on the media today on twitter.

Why did you only quote the shameful politicizing by those of us on the left?  I guess calling it a false flag isn't politicizing it because it helps Trump, LOL fucking hypocrite.


Well that lasted only a few hours LOL, Trump is back and blaming this now on the media!

"Enemy of the people" ring a bell? "Anybody that can do a body-slam is my guy"?

Trump stokes violence because it plays well with his base and supports his "tough guy" image. A few nice words later he was still attacking the media at his rally in Wisconsin last night.

Excuse me. Remember Rep. Steve Scalise? What about Rand Paul getting his ribs broken? The ricin in the mail? There really are so many cases of unhinged leftists losing it or calling for violence, I don't want to spam up the thread with a huge list of examples. Hey you are concluding this MUST be some one on the right attacking the left, suddenly people who disagree with you can not make similar conclusions?

Conservatives have been biting their lips and not reacting to violence from the left for a LONG time, because they, unlike the left, really understand what results from solving political issues with violence. They would rather be repeatedly attacked than start a violent civil war.

For you to suggest that Trumps QUITE REASONABLE criticism of the press is equivalent to calling for violence is juvenile. You know who has been calling for violence over and over though? The Democrats and the left.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kzBEeVOw4q0

Totally agree with this. I just don't know how none of these bombs actually succeeded in killing their targets. It seems like something that was so idiotic that it couldn't have been done by someone who ACTUALLY wanted to do the job.

I'm not going to say that this was done internally, nor was it done by Republicans.

For god sake folks, this could have been done by the Russians to try to strike fear and divide in the country. It seems like they're succeeding. As you have the right calling this an inside job and you have Democrats (like flying hellfish) saying that the entire Republican party supports this.

We're better than this folks, come on. If this is them (or someone else trying to divide the country) they're doing a good job.

Rich people don't open their own mail, it's that simple

High profile people like Obama and the Clintons probably get hundreds if not thousands of letters every day... a lot of it will be hate mail and death threats... they don't open any of that themselves, who has the time?  They have plenty of money to hire someone to open their mail, read it, and tell them if anything is worth looking at.

Kings have always employed food tasters to check for poison in their dinner before eating.  This is no different


I'll admit the timing is suspicious.  It is an October Surprise (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/October_surprise).  Realistically it could be anyone... to quote myself from earlier, "Republican vs Democrat is a silly game that rich people play to keep us fighting against each other instead of fighting them"

I agree, and I am ashamed of myself for jumping into the politicization of this event.  It is terrorism, and there's no other way to describe it.  Even if the bombs turn out to be fakes, the intent was obviously to intimidate.  Regardless of the perpetrator's political motives, this is terrorism and we should all be condemning it.

Former CIA director John Brennan essentially blames Trump for the mailing of the bombs. It is statements like this that remove the credibility of the condemnations of this act of terror.

His employer should absolutely immediately fire Brennan for this, especially considering that he is not in any actual danger from these packages, it is the employees of the mailroom who these packages are most likely to hurt.

Quickseller really has no business shaming anyone frankly. You see you have the good sense to moderate yourself. This is some thing I am not seeing a lot of on the left. Coming to a conclusion based on motives is not unreasonable or equivalent to "politicizing" it. We all condemn the behavior no matter what narrative it was, but it is not yet obvious what the intent truly was.

Now public figures on the other hand, I agree completely. They have a larger voice and people respond to their words. The idea you should mute yourself while these talking heads and politicians go wild is asinine.

You can unbunch your panties. Make any conclusions you want and I'll laugh at them any chance I get, as I would with anyone who pretends to have "opinions" and "conclusions" and rejects basic facts.


"Enemy of the people" is not reasonable criticism. Look at how media is treated by Trump rally participants if you're in any doubt as to what's going on here.

People were put in danger and a lot are dismissing it just because they do not like those people. It's disgusting.

I heard 9 pipe bombs was sent to different addresses all DEMS     I find it was funny the fact no stamps on parcels to trace back to sender ::) ..
But the dems didn't think they said some was sent by courier  OK so how did this terrorist send them by courier? ..

If you send by courier they still need to be signed for and the persons needs to go to a post office of some sort ..
You cannot flag a courier down and pull it up at the side of the road and say POST THIS..

Go and try and pull over a courier van and say post this at such and such address with printed stamps on the parcels  ;) ::) :D..

The news said the stamps that you see on the parcels was printed and then a courier service delivered them  HOW ?..
Even if the courier service never noticed they must have cameras in the building of the courier service?..

I have never ever known a courier service to post something unless it come from the office..So where is the terrorist on camera asking the courier service to deliver this parcel
and also the terrorist must of paid some how..?  so where is the terrorist receipt for the use of the couriers service delivery ..

You cannot pull a courier service van over and ask for a parcel to be sent  you must go to a office of some sort to pay for the delivery..

Now if the FBI CIA CRONIES  who are a total gangsters crew  should of easy find out by now..

The USA     FBI  CIA   are scum of the earth RATS  not the little guys in the FBI or CIA  the top of the tree needs cutting down to size..
As in STOP  using people for your own gains   YOU BUMS..

It wouldn't surprise me if the FBI set some poor fucker up..  WE GOT HIM    yeah right :D..

Lets just say  YOUR secret services in the USA  are SCUM BAGS   rats..  the top brass send the small CIA dudes to do their dirty work so they benefit  not the little CIA dude but the top ASS HOLE   RATS   who clinton obama and the likes have in their pockets ..

dON'T GET ME WRONG I COULD BE WRONG 1% WRONG ..I know i am right and so do most of the planet KNOW what RATS  you political elite are like..

The funny thing is the internet  MADE US SEE THE LIGHT ;D :D...I bet the politicians HATE THE INTERNET :D :D...I FUCKING LOVE IT..

Laughing and ridiculing these events is way, way improper.

Reading matters. I'm laughing at Tecshare's "conclusions" (more like conspiracy theories) as well as the ridiculous assertion that I'm somehow trying to prevent said "conclusions" from being made.

Bolding random shit and cutting posts up to make it seem like I said something I didn't is indeed improper, and I'll ridicule that too. I hope that's ok with you but I don't really give a shit if it isn't.

Right wing extremism is a scary thing.

I'm pretty sure the person or people that are mailing these bombs through the mail are mentally ill in at least some way. There's no way that a mentally competent person would think this was a good idea in anyway, shape, or form.

As a democratic supporter, I feel as though I could be next personally, if a certain individual really wanted it so.

Unlike these victims, I don't have a security detail. They're obviously getting a basic hit-list from some place. So far, there's been wild accusations that it's some left-wing person targeting their own people as some false-flag operation. "Hey guys, I'm going to risk my freedom by spreading fear through bombs in the mail to well guarded people". That's some nutbag crazy conspiracy tbh. Eventually, the perpetrator will be caught. There's plenty of lessons of that. What person in their right mind would even think to do something.

Now, onto the actual perpetrator. The hit-list comes from Trump himself, as so far, only the individuals targeted have criticized them. The victims are all registered democrat voter, as far as I'm aware. There were political and cultural people victims.

A few questions; was this a state-sanctioned act? is America under attack?

Sadly, without evidence, we can't even rule this out. It's obviously an internal attack, and I'm sure our borders are safe. I don't feel as though it'd be a nation-state level of events, even though Putin does hate some of these individuals (including Clinton).

The only supporting evidence this is foreign to me, is they fucked up the envelope. That could have just been a way to bypass security, however it was off. Even that seems a bit far-fetched, at least to me.

So, assuming the attack in internal, what can we leverage from the information we have. Let's look at the consumption of media by the individual.

I don't really follow right wing extremist (eg. Alex Jones) but I know of it. I know there was calling of violence, anger, hate, pretty much everything that breeds political incitement. I caught some AM radio news and holy hell, the way people talk about stuff. It's absolutely mindnumbing. The amount of mental gymnastics people make. Paint Obama as the devil for years, but then say "don't criticize the president, it's unamerican". Anyway, back to my point, the right. I'm assuming these people are mentioned frequently in right wing media. I'd imagine they need some sort of mental scapegoat for problems they're facing.

The targets are democrats that haven't been mentioned in months by moderate left media. Also, as a moderate left member of democrats, I feel some disdain towards the DNC for failing at security procedures and Clinton especially for being in bed with the lobbist. But Biden aint done nothing wrong, nor has any of the other individuals listed. To be honest, if we never find out who the perpetrator is, and all these individuals run for office, I'll put on my tin hat and call this whole mess a left-wing conspiracy. However, I don't forsee Clinton trying another run at Trump. I don't see De Niro going for it either.

I'm not sure about the moderate left or right to be honest. I think they're mostly keeping their heads down and staying out of it. I'd like to rule those people out.

Now, looking at the evidence, we can probably assume the individual was a right-wing extremist with mental issues.

Mental issues stem from a variety of problems, such as poverty and drug addiction, other are more natural. America does have a drug problem, too much black market, not enough regulation. Legalization of weed is coming along as progress in a few states, but myth and heroin has been taking this nation by storm. Rural towns are meth'd up, cities are heroin'd down from my perspective. I think it was probably someone myth'd up, to be honest. It seems as though someone listening to AM radio while doing some meth (and I bet you there are hundreds across America doing this now, in our land of 330 million (with only 300 million free currently [rofl 10% incarceration]) could be reasonable of suspicion of committing a crime or two. I mean, smoking, injecting... consuming meth is against the law, as far as I'm aware. But the larger issue is they're sending bombs through the mail.

A meth-head with a stolen laptop searches internet bomb and prints off a couple labels, drops them off at random sections, and them damned evil doers will be dead.

If the individual's a gaming man:
I'd bet he'd gamble on the next target. De Niro being the odd ball no one picked or some bullshit. I'm not sure, I don't gamble, but goddamned, cheating the system ;)

Anyway, until the FBI releases more details, I'm making the assumption it's some rural meth addicted right wing extremist executing his wild aggressive fantasies without regard to reality.

My assumption could be wrong pretty quickly if all of a sudden political allies to Trump were targeted next, not individuals that he has attacked.

Pretty sure the person or people that are mailing these bombs through the mail are mentally ill in at least some way. There's no way that a mentally competent person would think this was a good idea in anyway, shape, or form.

Mentally ill < Yes i bet hillary is mentally ill after losing to TRUMPS :D..

I didn't even know there was a term for this sort of news, thanks for that by the way!.

But yes, I do fully understand the whole rich people don't open their mail thing. You would just think whoever was sending this, if they were ACTUALLY TRYING TO SUCCEED, would do their research into that and it would foil their plan in their head. This person is either incompetent/dumb, or this was planned to create chaos. Who knows which one though.

There is no shortage of right-wing nut jobs who listen to people like Alex Jones, then shoot up a pizza shop because they think it is a secret child sex slave shop run by Hillary Clinton herself... seriously, this happened
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pizzagate_conspiracy_theory#Comet_Ping_Pong_shooting (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pizzagate_conspiracy_theory#Comet_Ping_Pong_shooting)

Another right-winger ran into a bunch of protesters, killing 1 girl... after he watched a clip on Fox News promoting running over protesters with your car like the Muslims were doing
https://money.cnn.com/2017/08/15/media/daily-caller-fox-news-video-car-crashing-liberal-protesters/index.html (https://money.cnn.com/2017/08/15/media/daily-caller-fox-news-video-car-crashing-liberal-protesters/index.html)

There have also been 42 abortion clinic bombings since 1977, so right-wingers are not new to bombs:


The stupidity of people never ceases to amaze me

Please, don't impose your imaginary emotional states upon me. Yeah, laugh it up, because this is a hilarious topic. You know what I am using here that you lack completely? Critical thought. You believe the world is as it presents itself and the TV tells you so, so it must be true. You act like  "conspiracy theories" have never been proven true, and the media doesn't CONSTANTLY lie to us. There is nothing unreasonable about these conclusions.


Regarding your "enemy of the people quote, lets look at what he ACTUALLY said:

 "The FAKE NEWS media (failing @nytimes, @NBCNews, @ABC, @CBS, @CNN) is not my enemy, it is the enemy of the American People!"

"The FAKE NEWS media (failing @nytimes, @CNN, @NBCNews and many more) is not my enemy, it is the enemy of the American people," he wrote. "SICK!"

LOOK HOW THE MEDIA IS TREATED BY TRUMP? LOL what poor poor victims. They certainly don't deserve this! The media has been totally civil and never calls for violence or makes up lies about Trump. Nope... never.

As you can see he was specifically calling FAKE NEWS the enemy of the people, but of course the media, like with everything, has to take it out of context and sell it as the most extreme angle possible. Thanks for this public demonstration on your inability to even check the source material before making a claim, and just believing what the TV says. Also for the convenient example of what Trump was talking about when he made that statement.





Again, a hilarious topic for you I am sure. Who said you were trying to prevent anything? As I predicted it is starting to come out that the devices were not even explosive, and this was all a hoax to elicit sympathy for these people.






Get over yourself. You aren't important enough for anyone to attack with bombs. You wanna talk about being afraid as an individual? Put on a MAGA hat and walk around LA, Seattle, or NY and tell me how long it takes before you are assaulted.


Oh its obvious is it? Is it even obvious they were intended to actually be targets? Nope, the FBI and ATF will not even say the devices were explosive, only that they "appeared to be explosive". Watch this little detail get glossed over again and again and the story fades to black as people find new pictures of Kim Kardashian's butt.




It comes from Trump himself now directly does it? I mean really, what are you doing wasting your time here, you should be working at the FBI with those investigative skills to have figured this out so quickly with zero information related. You don't think it is at all coincidental that these people are largely irrelevant, EXCEPT for the fact that they are a perfect little sample summary of people Trump has criticized?




Is it really obvious though, or are you just drawing conclusions that fit your narrative and filling in the gaps as you go? Yes, our borders are TOTALLY safe xD right. Now you are making assumptions about who Putin hates (based on nothing but your confirmation bias ofc).



He never called for violence. This is again just another example of parroting what you see on TV without checking any source material. If you think I am wrong, please do find me an unedited, un-cropped, quote of his calls for violence on video. However I know you can't because it doesn't exist.




Yep, quite interesting so much supposed rage would be focused on largely irrelevant people isn't it?



Oh can you? Can you assume? A meth head trying to build a bomb is only going to have one result, horrible catastrophic failure. If you think it is THAT easy to build mail bombs then you should go back to watching 24 or something.



Yeah, because this meth head you have in your imaginations, he is smart enough to coordinate a national level organized attack without being immediately caught, but not smart enough to know that these people don't even open their own mail. Yeah. Ok. This is an extremely odd and skilled meth head you have here.

It seems certain users are entirely blind to reality. If you can't even piece together the victims of attacks or notice calls of violence from certain individuals, you're gonna have a rough time in the real world.

Pretty bad when a single individual can literally call for violence, but no one holds that individual accountable.


See, at points like this, I think we should hold those accountable for inciting violence. Do you think, without this news story, that an individual would do the same?

And the sweeping it under the rug begins...

"Some Suspected Mail Bombs Were Not Capable of Exploding, Others Yet to Be Analyzed, Officials Say"
https://www.nbcnewyork.com/investigations/Mail-Bombs-Biden-De-Niro-Clinton-FBI-Obama-Florida-New-York-City-Delaware-Washington-Investigation-498562021.html?

Notice not one official statement positively confirming actual explosives, only lots of liberties by the author as well as "sources" who remain unnamed.








Do you have an actual rebuke or just moral grandstanding and a series of character attacks ?

who is playing with the top figures head now ? because to me i see it as another game or conspiracy to be able to get the better part of the country audience, distract and perform the real deal!! so for me am not really focused on what was sent but why was such a display done when its sure to get public awareness!! my Question remains what is the next play card?

The individual has gotten the first result
next!! should be what every security agencies should be anticipating

You make a very good point. In the security field this kind of behavior could be characterized as "probing" or eliciting a false alarm. It usually serves 2 main functions. To desensitize the targets/security forces for an actual attack in the hope that they will treat it carelessly next time, and to observe the response of the security forces to the act. Again the narrative is not yet clear, but this could be some type of probing here. That would suggest that there are bigger things to come.

Authorities have made an arrest in relation to this.

We will probably find out his political affiliations soon and potentially his motives.

I can't wait to find out. Then we will see if the old saying is true. If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck...

They found 2 more packages today.

With 12 devices intact and at Quantico there is a treasure trove of evidence for the FBI to asses.  Electrical tape is a fucking magnet for DNA lol.  

By mailing these things and the devices not going off there is going to be soooooo much evidence that they are going to catch this guy/s.

When they do catch him/them they will face 30 years in prison for each package sent if convicted.  IOW when they get these nut jobs and convict them they will spend the rest of their lives in jail.


Sauce??

https://www.foxnews.com/us/suspect-arrested-in-florida-in-connection-with-suspicious-packages-sent-to-democrats

No we won't, unless of course it supports the mainstream narrative. If it is anything else it will be buried like Las Vegas.

I don't understand they say they arrested someone but then later in the article say they have 24 teams looking for the culprit?

I think it is safe to assume, given the scale of this event, it is likely there are multiple suspects.

That is probably because they edited the article in a hurry to report on the news. This has been reported by multiple major news organizations.

I am not sure about this. There is very little information available in regards to the Vegas shooting and there are more than one MSM organization with compeating ideology.

Ya everyone is picking it up and reporting on it now, thanks.

Ahahaha, the maga bomber was caught ;)

Right wing extremist -- wait guys, wait until he's declared guilty before calling him a criminal.


Inb4:
This is just a left-wing setup by the FBI and other agencies to target Trump!!!!!!!!!

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Christ, the guy's car shows he was the epitome of metal security:

https://i.imgur.com/22VxKQv.jpg

Well, that's definitely a Likely Suspect!

So there was no devious Democratic plot to subvert the midterms?

Let me guess, mentally ill individual, harmless joke with some metal parts and wires, definitely not domestic terrorism.


https://www.foxnews.com/us/suspect-arrested-in-florida-in-connection-with-suspicious-packages-sent-to-democrats


https://www.nytimes.com/2018/10/26/nyregion/cnn-cory-booker-pipe-bombs-sent.html

No, of course not! This certainly doesn't turn every conservative into a potential suspect or elicit sympathy for the left casting them as victims as their own REAL violence is increasingly exposed, so very conveniently before mid terms. This doesn't serve the left AT ALL!

I guess this guy was smart enough to carry out a nationwide coordinated attack, all without blowing himself or anyone else up, but he is not smart enough to know that none of these people open their own mail, or that attacking Democrats just before midterms would have a contradictory affect to the ideology he supposedly holds.

It all makes perfect sense! He would have got away with it too, if it weren't for you meddling kids! 

I wonder if those conspiracy nuts are going to apologize for their attacks of "left-wing" individuals. Claiming it's a "false flag operation by the left" instead of accepting the reality of the situation.

I'm absolutely amazed we didn't see the fake news here that was circulating the internet yesterday.

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It's crazy some people here are defending a domestic terrorist.

He definitely isn't smart. Sending a package without getting caught is pretty much impossible, particularly for someone already known to the authorities. He seems to be a registered Republican though and has a history of being a criminal and a conspiracy nutjob.

Why would he help Democrats?

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/live/2018/oct/26/pipe-bombs-latest-live-news-updates-arrest-florida

Like I said... buried. The Vegas shooter was linked with not only ISIS, but ANTIFA.



I said the results helped Democrats, not that this man purposely helped them. I also clearly explained how this benefits them, and does not at all benefit conservatives, of which this man supposedly is.

Did you see his ride?  It was fucking pimped out to the max!  Big surprise a stupid right wing crazy, I wonder if he early voted in the mid terms for "Trump" already LOL!

Can't wait for the alex jones crowd to refute the DNA evidence that is 100% coming LOL.

It never ceases to amaze me how much people think life is like movie scripts. The world is not as it presents itself. After a while, the media saturates your brain to the point that scripts seem more real than reality does. Nothing in life is ever this clearly spelled out from A to Z, especially in politics. This is a hand crafted tale designed to serve a specific purpose.

Still can't let go of your cockamamie plot? The man is a deluded conspiracy theorist, much like yourself and the cast of Fox News, except he was dumb enough to act on it. The list of addressees is a dead giveaway:


Since then more packages have been found - addressed to Robert de Niro, Joe Biden, Corey Booker... the list sounds like it was taken from Sean Hanity's or Rush Limbaugh's show or Trump's rallies.


It never ceases to amaze me how tenuous the grasp of reality and facts is among some seemingly otherwise smart people when it comes to challenging their political or religious beliefs. Give it up. It's over. Find the next bogeyman. I suggest THE CARAVAN.

This is quite off-topic, but the Vegas shooter was linked to gambling and real estate. Pretty sure he was Russian linked too.

Not ISIS or ANTIFA you fake news spreading piece of shit ;)

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So, any right-wingers here gonna apologize for their "false flag" narrative?

Holy cow his TECSHARE guy is so desperate for his convictions.
We have the expression down here "to pee in the face" which means even when you're out of logical, convincing, believable arguments, you continue to talk nonsense simply because you have to answer something no matter what. And you don't care how you look from the outside and what people might think about you. As an example, see any statement by the Ministry of Foreign Affairs of Russia on Syria.

Anyway, he really deserves respect.

Christ that's so sad it's almost funny. Looks like Alex Jones got into his head.

Other angle;

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/504190817045577738/505416538812186625/DdSXs27.png
You can't make this shit up.

Why? Because you berate me and attack my character? So far none of you have bothered to even attempt to refute any of the points I made, you simply just tell me what you believe, what some one told you, or what you saw on TV. This is not a debate is is a very transparent attempt to shame people from having dissenting views, much like this whole bombing hoax to begin with.

There's a certain individual who pretends he's a victim, when in reality;

https://i.imgur.com/xp6BHoU.jpg

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How about we start talking about the guy that incited the right? Trump's a symptom of the propaganda machine, but the buck does stop with the President, in my opinion.

I am not surprised he is not smart. To me his idol doesn't seem very smart either. I am literally shocked every time he opens his mouth. I can't believe he is born American.

You can have any views you want and I can laugh at your views because I find them utterly ridiculous, I think we've been there before once or twice. I don't give a shit about you personally or your character, or whether you have one.

The fact is, the perp is a conspiracy nutjob (see van pictures above). You're insisting this is a plot. What is there to refute? You're just making shit up. Provide some evidence that what you're saying has any basis and then we can discuss that.

The president is not responsible for this wackos actions, however he is responsible IMO for embracing and encouraging an environment which would give a mentally unstable person the idea that what he was doing was wanted and helpful to America.

Paraphrasing from Les Mis:  The real problem is not the criminal that takes advantage of the darkness but the autocrat who creates the darkness in which the criminal thrives!

Trump is the problem.

That is quite an interesting projection considering this whole time I was pointing out the whole point of this was the cast the left as victims to elicit sympathy right before midterms. Also a lot of them have prosecutions coming. They are losing power and are desperate.

If that is your argument, who is responsible for inciting the shooting at the Republican baseball game a while back where Steve Scalise was shot? What about the people who incited a man to beat Rand Paul so badly he had to be hospitalized? Why is the left not responsible for their own rhetoric in the same way you are claiming the right should be?

Weekend's tweetstorm is going to be glorious. Trump will do his best to poison the jury pool for Mr. Sayoc.

You know the answer. You know the way the left thinks.

It's because, SHUT UP.

Indeed. I remember clearly when Trump said "2nd amendment people" could potentially harm H. Clinton.

https://www.nytimes.com/2016/08/10/us/politics/donald-trump-hillary-clinton.html

There are extremists on both side of this issue.  Violence has no place in politics, and politicizing this issue says more about you than it does about those you're arguing with.

We are all Americans, we need to come together and condemn this behavior.  The president has said some things he should not have, and so have some of the people who were targeted with packages.  Hopefully cooler heads will prevail. 

Seems about right. I'm pretty sure there'd be massive calls of "the violent left" it was a left-wing extremist.

It's hypocrisies like this that makes is hard to take conservatives seriously;

https://i.imgur.com/JlYiwAS.png

I still don't believe it ..I will believe it when the guy is locked up and everyone can see he as been in jail for 3 years at least..

I would like to see him in a interview and see what he as got to say about the whole situation ..

Remember the church for black people getting fire bombed it said vote trump on the wall   well that was a black dem voter that done it..

Remember 9/11 well that was your political elite for monies..

Remember to remember the fact your political elite are scumbags  FACT..

To mr Trumps  don't trust no one not even your FBI top brass ..Oh we are all legit my butt hole :D.

Yes you could have the real pretend bomber   a bomb expert said on your news channels  that the bombs were badly made and wouldn't do anything SO blame your CNN
FOX  and the likes for putting these stories up..

We the average joe have nothing to do with this it's all the lies and murder you have done in the past and maybe still some now..
But if you done your jobs in the first place then no one would be accusing you FBI for being RAT LIARS..

The little boy who cried wolf never ever gets believed again..So it's up to you public services to act in a proper manner..

9/11 was an inside JOB   100%  and 98% of the world knows this  SO  you got some explaining to do before anyone believes you lot..

And BLAME YOURSELF      FBI CIA   for all this   the public doesn't believe us shit..

You have Trump haters battling each other with trump supporters   and you the media spread all this CCN  was all to blame  because they refused to let the elected president
do his job..

If you CNN would of just said oh well may be next time and got on with your lives and let the president do his job  YOU never  you said we are not having him as my president..  SO YOU    CNN   was all to blame  100% FACT..

Remember  it's the ones that don't like trump that stir up the trouble because they cannot except the loss..

Come on if you cannot except the loss      it's you who is causing the trouble..

The Mystery of the #MagaBomber

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EZCREg72Uq0

The suspect has been arrested. Try to keep up. Do you have at least an updated conspiracy theory?

I see, because it was filmed last night all of his arguments are automatically invalid. Good point.

Tbh, I don't think this matters much politically, despite all the hot air. This might swing a few conservative moderates and undecideds, but Trump's base is Trump's base. They do not perceive the rhetorical environment the President has fostered, and don't understand the constant attacks on Trump from liberal media. So any political coin gained is useless to spend.

If this act of terror outrages you, then you probably weren't going to vote for 45 anyway  ;) most folks have already picked a side. This is either freaking you the fuck out, or you are absolutely loving this. And the partisanship from all sides just makes everyone double down. This won't fix itself.

And going by Breitbart comments, half of the board still thinks this is all a Soros funded false flag. Like the caravan  ;D


Dammit, when did we get so damned stupid? I cant denounce my fellow countrymen for their beliefs, we are all entitled to them.

BUT DAMMIT. WAKE UP.

What about the rhetoric by the likes of Maxine Waters, Corey Booker, Hillary Clinton, Eric Holder and others? Sometimes explicitly calling for violence and in others implicitly calling for violence. How do you feel about liberal Mayors ordering police to stand down for political purposes, resulting in danger to many innocent lives? What about either condoning or ignoring violence when it happens?

All that is okay, right? The double standard of the left is sickening and removes their credibility. Frankly many on the left with these double standard are outright bad people.

what about what about what about what about what about what about what about what about what about what about what about what about what about what about what about what about what about what about what about what about what about what about what about what about what about what about what about what about what about

What about not sending bombs to them and not blaming them for getting bombs in the mail. That would be a good start.

If any of those people actually called for violence (tenuous assertion at best) then they deserve to be criticized. Just as Trump deserves to be criticized for his incessant villainization of anyone who doesn't praise him.

But none of these people are the POTUS.
I would hope that the highest office in our country was held to a higher regard. I don't like Trump, but he is the president and I respect the office and consequently the man. Americans should have a role model in the POTUS, as he is the literal representation of our nation on a global stage. Is this behavior acceptable to you, sincerely?

And finally, if it's enough to criticize on the other side, why condone the behavior from your own?

Tell me, when did Trump call for violence? You talk about rhetoric, but it was all there before Trump got into office, except hes not a pansy and fought back against those attacking him. He didn't foster this environment, it was IMPOSED upon him, and anyone else who supports him in public. Trump supporters have been getting attacked since before 2016, now the left is crying about the hostile environment after two years of nonstop violence against conservatives any time they organize in groups, or even alone. What about Scalise? Rand Paul? ANTIFA? Tell me more about how the left is peaceful and innocent and Trump started this.

If the right is responsible for unhinged people on the right then the left has A SHITLOAD of unhinged people being violent over the past 2 years to account for.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lcmUur019LY

Let me google that for you:
http://lmgtfy.com/?q=when+did+Trump+call+for+violence%3F (http://lmgtfy.com/?q=when+did+Trump+call+for+violence%3F)

All the Times Trump Has Called for Violence at His Rallies
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WIs2L2nUL-0 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WIs2L2nUL-0)

This is ridiculous.  Political rhetoric is not likely to die anytime soon, but attempting to link the words of a politician to the acts of a mad man is mad in itself.  No body attempted to blame Bernie Sanders for the acts of James Hodgkinson.  The media is not helping the situation.  They continue to blame the president.  A continuation of this hyperbolic rhetoric is likely to incite yet more violence.


613 incidents of Democrats being violent, or calling for violence (https://www.breitbart.com/the-media/2018/07/05/rap-sheet-acts-of-media-approved-violence-and-harassment-against-trump-supporters/)

Video archive of Violence Against Trump Supporters (https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLmZg6qu6U-0yYXxCtpPuOxNdO_Bw250uI)

Not out of context at all...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LgPABV-UJvk

Did Bernie say violent things? (not trying to be a smartass here - I'm genuinely not sure, haven't heard the man since ~2016 I think and he was fiery but not violent as I recall)

Trump likes to be portrayed as a tough guy. He says a lot of stupid shit that would not be acceptable in a polite company. There is way to escape that, if he's not on traditional media then he's on Twitter making shit up about rapists and terrorists invading the country and he has a list of perceived enemies whom he repeatedly attacks on a personal level. Rhetoric matters a lot when it comes from such a position of power.

He could stop at any time if he doesn't like the optics of it. The bar is set very very low for him. Look how everyone media is fawning when he reads a few sentences off a teleprompter. But he doesn't want that.

In polite company, what are you a Victorian housemaid? People voted for him because he says things that PC culture forbids, things that resonate with the majority of people. Part of that is not kissing everyone's ass. Good leaders aren't fucking pansys, they are often forceful and say things like they are, even if some people might be upset by that reality. What exactly is he making up, please tell me. Your little out of context snippits don't cut it. Trump and his supporters have been nonstop targets since 2016 over and over again by unhinged leftists, Democrats have been openly calling for harassment and incivility, over the course of years... but yep all Trump's fault cause he says things you think are naughty.

If you say something to some one and they freak out and physically attack you for it, is it their fault for attacking you or your fault for upsetting them? I would love to hear your answer.

You seem to be confused. Trump isn't being attacked physically, he's being rightfully ridiculed for saying stupid shit. If someone attacks him physically or sends a bomb to him that would not be ok.

Trump has made him self an ICON with lots of enemies who just want to see him burn!! but i feel there strategy never seems to get to the man..
sometimes I don't know if to like or dislike trump, I feel the man got is style and not all can love you.

Instead of assuming who is who in this hypothetical, maybe answer the question.

I'm not assuming anything. You're the one ranting about Trump being incorrectly faulted.

I already answered your stupid question but in case the answer was not good enough for you to twist it into your narrative here is a more generic one: it's not ok to physically attack anyone for any reason.

And it's entirely okay to call someone out on their bullshit.

It's crazy how the right winger's victim complex went wild the other day, thinking they were personally being attacked.


It's pretty sickening that people "love" domestic terrorism. Unpatriotic, sick fuckers.

THAT'S ALL DIFFERENT BECAUSE, shut up!

>>> attitude of leftists and media already burying the attempt to assassinate Scalise and many others

But hey, I am cool with these rabid leftists finding a common ground of acceptable and unacceptable behavior. But I doubt we'll see that.

Are you sure its not ok to punch a "nazi"?

No, I'm not gonna punch you, don't worry.

In fact, the United States may split in this century and the next century. Please note that this is a country with a history of 300 years. There are still many problems that have not yet been resolved, such as the rudeness of black people. This is the stupidest behavior of white Americans. So now Americans, do you think the crisis is coming?

The examples I gave were not taken out of context. The examples of Trump inciting violence are either exaggerated or taken out of context. I don't support Trump doing things like patting a congressmen on the back for body slamming a journalist, although I think it is a stretch that this was Trump encouraging violence.

Further, several of the examples I gave were current sitting elected officials, and one was the presidential nominee from the Democrat party. The standard held to these people should not be that much lower than the President. 

No, I am sure you won't. You would take a good look at me and turn tail ;)

Where have we heard this saying "punch a nazi" before? It is almost like the left has been normalizing violence and otherizing anyone right of MAO for at least the past couple years or more.

Famous left winger, Captain America.

https://cdn-images-1.medium.com/max/630/1*hG5aY6jYBokglDrer2T2Bw.jpeg

Therefore they deserve to be sent bombs? Or is there some other connection to this thread that I'm missing?

Yes, you are missing the fact that anyone right of the extreme left, or just random people walking by, are regularly designated "nazis" , and this is used to justify their assault. This has been going on for a few years now, and not a peep from the left over it. Now that the left is also now starting to get "targeted" by extremists, now, NOW is the time to tone down the rhetoric... not before the years of regular violent attacks on conservatives and regular calls for violence ignored.

Thank you for the wonderful demonstration of how the left insists on jumping to the most extreme conclusion every time, simply because it suits them.

So to sum it up so you can't try to take this off into some other extremist interpretation that suits you...

The left has no grounds to point fingers and lay blame after years of laying silent over leftist violence against conservatives in the US.



More like this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2AhGYo9TExU

(notice this is about a year and a half old...)


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IKICKcMU3MU  

I don't know where that is either any more...

@TEC, by a few years ago, did you mean two years ago, around the time Trump took office? This is around the time Antifa became openly active.

I would also disagree with conservatives being targeted generally. It's mainly Trump supporters, and those that are enabling this. Classic Republicanism is a noble idea, a necessary check on liberal policies that is supposed to balance out governance over the long term. But this brand of raw cultism is insane, and the general public is condemning this nonsense. Rather than a general push back against conservatism (because most folks are moderate on both sides), this is a direct response to Trump and the degradation of the office. We have a president speaking directly to white nationalism. We at least used to hide our shame, now we wear it like a firebrand of regressiveness.

Also, the recent wave of hate crimes is decidedly conservative. The majority of mass casualty events belong to conservative actors, at least in the recent few years.

Why are these actions more frequently occurring in aTrump presidency, more so than any other recent 4 years? It's the level of rhetoric coming from the head. It has incited everyone, and this generally more aggressive climate is the fruit of having an uncivil leader pander to his base.

Reaping and sowing and yada yada yada.

And a side note; Nazis are pretty much a universally condemned class. The ideology is so dangerous, it's fucking illegal in some places, literally.

How bad do you have to be fucking up in order to get your platform confused with that of a Nazi?

Trump could easily shed the anchor that racial nationalist provide to his platform. Only takes a few words, and it should be inconsequential given how small of a percentage of his base they are up  :D

But instead, there are "fine people on both sides"...

Hmm, that does not explain why Trump's popularity among black voters has more than doubled...

Maybe you are simply wrong.


Really?

Funny how many left wing people including you believe in National Socialism...

Wait...wasn't NAZI...let's see...how did that translate....

Definition of Nazi in English:
 
Nazi
NOUN

historical
1A member of the National Socialist German Workers' Party.
Example sentences
1.1derogatory A person with extreme racist or authoritarian views.
Example sentencesSynonyms
1.2 A person who seeks to impose their views on others in a very autocratic or inflexible way.
‘I learned to be more open and not such a Nazi in the studio’

What gives? Are you referring or mixing up definition 1A and 1.1 or 1.2?

Spend, I love you so I'm going to let you in on a secret. The overwhelming majority of black people do not support Trump. Dont let Rasmussen fool you. 1, contemporary support among Blacks for Republican politics is at an all time low. Dont think that the same set that overwhelming voted Obama into office twice, would only 2 years later have radically shifted to the opposite end of the political spectrum. Blacks will vote Democratic until the party shifts again, because the truth of the matter is most African Americans are economically disadvantaged relative the national cohort, and Democratic policies are helpful as fuck (a government safety net when you cant rely on generational wealth or a well heeled social network). Beyond the ignorant refrain to "leave the Democratic plantation" (you want to disenfranchise a potential black Republican voter? Say this shit LOL), all this malarkey about optimal employment is a bunch of jive. Yes, it's great that everyone is employed. But when the majority of the national cohort doesn't even have 1000 dollars in the event that an emergency arises, I'm thinking all that employment is not really translating to a level of income that provides happiness. Please see here:
https://www.cnbc.com/2018/01/18/few-americans-have-enough-savings-to-cover-a-1000-emergency.html


Black folks dont own stocks like everyone else:
https://abcnews.go.com/Business/story?id=88110&page=1

35 percent  of Blacks compared to White peers, and that's for cats that make over 50k (which is not anyone who didn't finish college, so it's much worse for low income blacks). So all this market growth means shit.
And wage growth has not kept up with inflation.

So, from a Black person that runs in really, really diverse circles, trust me when I say there is not much love lost amongst the brothas for Dear Trump.

To prove me, please observe the recent Blexit campaign (yes, Black Exit) that Kanye and Candace Owen's have been cooking up.
https://m.facebook.com/blexitmn/

Waste of time, imo. Our religious culture does not condone Trumps behavior (older Blacks, which typically ran conservative until Trump. Anti abortion is a huge deal for this set. But Trump, and his Cabinet specifically, this is too much). Younger blacks are not really into Rebuplican politics.

When you let Jeff Sessions head the DOJ, well, you lose the black vote.

I don't know anyone that favors Sessions. Of any persuasion. That includes religious right, my left oriented friends, lots of people in between.

Trump is the dude that really tries to do what he says, and he said some really serious things about improving conditions for blacks in America.

What does that amount to, when we've got many entire trades and industries taken over by illegal Mexican immigrants? I can't really answer that.

How would you act so as to increase average liquid cash reserves in the subgroup in question to 2000, or 3000?

Yes, Exactly. Now you are going to tell me that the words he used incited ANTIFA to violence therefore he is responsible, while ignoring hundreds of calls for violence on the left since then, as well as increasing, regular violence from the left. That damn Trump, upsetting people so much they get violent! You know its his fault they got so upset they punched an old lady. She was clearly a Nazi so it was ok.



https://i.imgur.com/8LDYVQW.jpg

The fact that you think the pipe bombs were fake shows the image is more FAKE NEWS.

You can attempt to white-wash nazi's, but we had a war about this... the whole world was involved...

https://i.redd.it/b3zjays2ppf11.jpg

Oh really? Can you tell me then why he wasn't charged with building "weapons of mass destruction" which is a standard charge any time some one builds a FUNCTIONAL explosive device? Go back and listen to that FBI statement carefully... eh maybe not you, but anyone else with a 8th grade level of science education or more.

because a pipe bomb isn't a weapon of mass destruction you fucking tard. God, I swear anyone with an IQ over 50 could tell you that, but nah, you consume more of your fake news koolaid you moron.

I swear to god, anyone that takes this retard seriously is an idiot.

https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/842

Fucking 2 min to find the actual law violation.

That's cute how you reported my post as off topic to make it look like I didn't just post that link ;)


you might want to check the federal definition of "weapon of mass destruction"

https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/2332a#c_2



None of your arguments invalidate the reality of all those listed leftist attacks though however, even IF they were correct (they aren't).

hey retard, you're still wrong.

Look at the definition you link, a pipe bomb does not meet that definition; so go fuck yourself you retard.

Yes, it does meet the definition, (2)(A).

(2) the term “weapon of mass destruction” means—
(A) any destructive device as defined in section 921 of this title;

What else would you like to be corrected on?

Hey fuck face; look at section 921 --

(4) The term “destructive device” means—
(A) any explosive, incendiary, or poison gas—
(i) bomb,
(ii) grenade,
(iii) rocket having a propellant charge of more than four ounces,
(iv) missile having an explosive or incendiary charge of more than one-quarter ounce,
(v) mine, or
(vi) device similar to any of the devices described in the preceding clauses;
(B) any type of weapon by whatever name known which will, or which may be readily converted to, expel a projectile by the action of an explosive or other propellant, and which has any barrel with a bore of more than one-half inch in diameter; and
(C) any combination of parts either designed or intended for use in converting any device into any destructive device described in subparagraph (A) or (B) and from which a destructive device may be readily assembled.

Also, counter-argument to "destructive device":

The term “destructive device” shall not include any device which is neither designed nor redesigned for use as a weapon; any device, although originally designed for use as a weapon, which is redesigned for use as a signaling, pyrotechnic, line throwing, safety, or similar device; surplus ordnance sold, loaned, or given by the Secretary of the Army pursuant to the provisions of section 4684(2), 4685, or 4686 of title 10; or any other device which the Attorney General finds is not likely to be used as a weapon, is an antique, or is a rifle which the owner intends to use solely for sporting, recreational or cultural purposes.

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Literally all the AG (which is Trump appointed) is say "not destructive" and it's not a WMD dumbass, which legally, it's classification is barely a destructive device, in a well argued and well funded lawsuit. But otherwise, it's just a pipe bomb.

It amazes me how often he argues agains't his own points and doesn't even realize it until later. Or maybe I give him too much credit.

Who am I to tell you, but don't you find that nowadays there is too much hatred and anger even on the Internet. Such confrontation in a society usually doesn’t lead to anything good and only strengthens disunity within the country.
Peace out

Problem is... I tried fact checking 2 of the outrageous claims in your image... and both of them were bullshit, so I assume the rest of that list is bullshit too...

I checked on your claim, "regular violence from the left... they punched an old lady"... "2 Minnesota GOP candidates attacked and punched"... the facts:

A Minnesota republican claims to have been punched while at dinner... no pictures, just a claim of assault... Fox News never even said the attacker was a leftist, liberal, or any of that, so I can safely assume he was not since they 100% would have mentioned it if he was...
http://www.fox9.com/news/two-minnesota-gop-candidates-say-they-were-attacked-punched (http://www.fox9.com/news/two-minnesota-gop-candidates-say-they-were-attacked-punched)

The woman claiming to be attacked... was attacked by a self-proclaimed anarchist... also not a leftist, liberal, or whatever
http://www.fox9.com/news/two-minnesota-gop-candidates-say-they-were-attacked-punched (http://www.fox9.com/news/two-minnesota-gop-candidates-say-they-were-attacked-punched)


I also checked on your claim that "ricin" was sent to several prominent GOP figures... this is false too... a "threat" of sending ricin was sent... nothing dangerous was actually sent by this guy... he sent a letter with some ground up beans in it, not deadly ricin... facts matter when you claim assassination attempts
https://www.dailywire.com/news/37684/utah-man-charged-sending-ricin-white-house-emily-zanotti (https://www.dailywire.com/news/37684/utah-man-charged-sending-ricin-white-house-emily-zanotti)


You want to nitpick on whether these bombs were assembled or not... but you don't even bother to fact-check your own claims about ricin vs powdered beans... come the fuck on man... show some intellectual honesty

Cool story bro. Convenient you can write it all off. What about the years of violent attacks before just this month? You can attribute attacks on the left to the right and even specific people on the right, but when the right is attacked we need "proof" huh? I like the touch of calling the "ricin" a "threat", but these nonfunctional props are "bombs" and he is a "bomber" in spite of nothing even exploding or even appearing to have been the intent (again not justifying it, just a fact).

It is almost like you see your own hypocrisy then directly accuse me of exactly the dissonance you are experiencing, before I even directly point it out, in order to force a 3rd party to experience your own dissonance for you via projection. Nah...couldn't be.  

Wikipedia... that's... that's impressive. You just totally convinced me. FYI, talking about attacks on people because of their politics, not attacks made by people of a certain political bend... but I know any edge you can use to blur the facts you will exploit in a vain attempt to make an argument you don't have.

I was simply pointing out the fact that you claimed the bombs were fake, but the ricin is real... this is not hypocrisy on my part, it was your claim not mine... I never made a claim of any kind

Also, if someone gives me a list of bullshit claims, and I fact-check 2 of them... and both of those claims are false and/or unsubstantiated... what should I assume about the other dozen claims on the list?

Yes, why address the substance of the point, the years of leftist violence against the right, when you can avoid it with side topics?


I dunno. People who actually give a shit usually don't have to be told what to do about it.

Because you haven't shown me any evidence of it... a list of bullshit claims that has been debunked is not evidence

Never mind the fact that YOU brought up leftist violence as a "side topic", not me... do you even realize how much of yourself you project onto others, so you can blame them for your own actions?  (self-aware much?)

If you want to debate with me, bring facts to the table, not bullshit propaganda that is so easily debunked and dismissed

Hey, if you have no argument, just pretend the facts aren't there and continue to live in your bubble of preferred alternate reality. No one really believes the left haven't been violent against conservatives on nearly a daily basis since 2016, except people like you running around punching "nazis" of course.

Yep... none of this ever happened... go back to sleep

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IDwoWscEOTs

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hthHHX-oJh8

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YU-kIunAVRg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bmSjIOHvdlY

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nw9kyYEwg2A

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jyHB0COkw3s

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bRUF5FIIeVI

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NIMomsIsfRE





You mean the side topic of the left pointing at Trump and conservatives in general and blaming their "rhetoric" for these attacks? The point (which I am sure you will promptly ignore) was that the media was silent about violence from the left directed at the right, and furthermore stoked it. Now they want to point fingers. A lot of you stood silent as these things happened. Guess what... this is the result... we all live in violence.

If you want to talk about left-wing terrorism vs right-wing terrorism... there is no contest... simply check wikipedia:

The wikipedia article for Left-Wing Terrorism in the united states consists of a single paragraph ending with:


The wikipedia article for Right-Wing Terrorism in the united states consists of 5 paragraphs ending in a list of 38 items since 2003, mostly murders and mass murders:

As predicted, you don't care to have a debate, you would rather inject other side topics over and over again. Why? because you know you have no argument, so you have to manufacture an opinion for me for you to defeat. The left has no grounds calling for blame over rhetoric let alone violence based on the past several years of their own behavior.

https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-10-30/brief-history-leftist-political-violence-year

I'm not the person dragging this off-topic... This thread is about right-wing terrorism, and you are the only person dragging it off-topic.  You dragged it so far off-topic that the moderator had to remove your bullshit and move it to another thread:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5061049.0 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5061049.0)

How many Americans have been killed by left-wing terrorists?  My research says the number is zero... do you have a different number?

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5061049.0 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5061049.0)

The thread is a bit of a mess in terms of off topicness.  I am guilty of it as are lots of others so lets bring it back a bit on topic.

The above topic was split for off topic discussion, talk about whatever you want about left and right wing extremism there please.

Lets try to keep the focus at least a little bit on the topic.

Funny, as the details come out about this suddenly, like the Kavanaugh accusers recanting, this is also a non-story once it stops serving your political goals.

If you would provide whatever new details have emerged perhaps we could comment on them. I haven't heard much with all the MT stuff and would be very interested in actual information and not infowars type stuff.

Last I heard he was being extradited to New York.

You know, like little details such as the fact none of the "bombs" were ever capable of exploding.

Look, be reasonable. There was only a couple of weeks before the mid terms. It was important to fit as many lurid stories in as possible. And given how stupid the media and elite Left think the American population is, they would never have more than one or two going at a time. Plus of course a couple of drum rolls in the background, good and repetitive.

"Russia..."

"Pussy Grabber..."

I wonder when we will get to hear from the guy who done it..

I still thinks it was a set up AND cnn DON LEMON said it was a white guy who did the pipe bombs when he was CUBAN and bankrupt and NUTS ..

Do not vote the DEMS in they will spin lies to your face..

BREAKING: PATSY BOMBER Body Cam POLICE VIDEO; Cesar Sayoc In Florida: Full Video & Analysis

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z_xyPl12EdI

I don't know much about this guy, but he does raise some interesting points.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/cesar-sayoc-court-live-pipe-bomb-cnn-trump-bomber-democrat-package-new-york-update-latest-a8606951.html

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Lol, seems like some of the users here, except for the whole "bodybuilder" portion.  ::)

Notice none of those charges include "weapons of mass destruction" the standard charge applied to anyone who creates a functional explosive device...

No shit dumbfuck. He didn't send a weapon of mass destruction.

Notice how is say "illegal mailing of explosives" ??? That's the standard charge for anyone illegal mailing explosive devices.

We have already been over this once smart guy, you know I sourced the law. Why are you going to make yourself look dumb arguing this again?

Mailing weapons of mass destruction through USPS... only a fucking insane tard would believe that they'd be charged with "weapon of mass destruction"

https://caselaw.findlaw.com/us-9th-circuit/1047180.html

Oh, hey, look at that! Someone else sent working bombs through the USPS and they WEREN'T classified as weapons of mass destruction.

Who'd thunk?  ::)


Just because you fail at understanding law doesn't mean the courts fail at understanding law.  8)

Well first of all the law says nothing about a requirement of mailing, simply possessing a functional explosive device is enough for the charge. Also, I know so little about law that I noticed that the laws against "weapons of mass destruction" came during and after Kazinski's bombings, and you can't charge some one with a law that was passed AFTER the act was committed.

https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/2332a#c_2

https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/921

Uhhh... if you actually read; https://www.congress.gov/bill/103rd-congress/house-bill/3355

2001 came after 1994 my friend.

I know numbers are hard; but just because it has more "9s" in it doesn't mean it's a greater number.

Here's the change log;


Nope, not redefining it, other than biological/chemical weaponry post 2001 ;)

I never said anything about redefining anything, you did. So is your argument that the law was passed after Kazinski committed his acts? That argument sounds familiar. The crimes he committed as far as I have seen are committed BEFORE the "weapons of mass destruction" legislation was passed. Therefore he would not legally be able to be charged under this statute. None of this proves anything about my point anyway that Sayoc was not charged with "weapons of mass destruction" the standard charge for anyone in possession of a functional explosive device.


Feel free to do more mental gymnastics tho, I hear The Special Olympics is having an event for that this year. You can never get enough practice.

1994 - https://www.congress.gov/bill/103rd-congress/house-bill/3355
1996 arrest, 1998 plea deal - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ted_Kaczynski


He was arrested after the law passed. Cause time works that way... Did ya know 1996 occurs after 1994?

I'm pretty sure you're just purposely misconstruing arguments, and because you've been proven wrong time and time again about this issue (and pretty much every single issue you troll on); you're just digging yourself a deeper hole.

But we're pretty off-topic, pretty sure this topic was about a radical dis-attached individual attacking leftist... crazy dude be crazy. It does make me wonder if GOP's hate rhetoric is much different than that same hate rhetoric from ISIS.

That's not how the law works. You can't be charged with laws that were passed AFTER the act was committed. The date of his arrest is irrelevant. I am on topic. The premise is the fact that Cesar Sayok was not charged with a "weapons of mass destruction" charge demonstrates the devices were not functional and there is some thing else going on here. You are off topic with this unibomber bullshit, and you are wrong about that anyway.

So, the GOP hate rhetoric...

Is that the reason this crazy guy chose his targets?

AAAAnd thank you for your version of admitting you were wrong (changing the subject). Anyone with a functional explosive device will be charged under "weapons of mass destruction" which Cesar Sayok was not. This demonstrates the media was purposely misrepresenting this situation to create maximum fear as well as distract from the horrible failure that was the Kavanaugh witch hunt that blew up in the Democrats faces.

I thought it was totally obvious the "bombs" were a total joke, but I guess some of the propaganda that I don't pay attention to was being taken seriously by some people.

For what it's worth if someone's batshit crazy, it doesn't really make sense to try to impute a political affiliation and/or a political motive to their actions.

Just gave up arguing. It's not worth arguing legal battles with a non-lawyer. It's just bird shit thrown around without any precedence. The shit you say, if you asked /r/asklegal would get you pretty much banned.

But I'd like to actually point out Cesar Sayoc was taken in by alt-right and right wing hate narratives. It seems that he also pushed a narrative. He went to attack and lash out.

Scott Leader and Steve Leader

Curtis Allen, Gavin Wright, and Patrick Eugene Stein

Alexandre Bissonnette

Michael Hari, Michael McWhorter, and Joe Morris

James Alex Fields Jr.

Brandon Griesemer

Nikolas Cruz

(https://theintercept.com/2018/10/27/here-is-a-list-of-far-right-attackers-trump-inspired-cesar-sayoc-wasnt-the-first-and-wont-be-the-last/ source for the names)

That's a lot of people radicalized by the same hate driven narrative. Literally to the extent to harm others.

Don't edit my quotes to make yourself look better and try to distract from the subject of discussion to yet another topic.

So you are a lawyer now? Your appeal to authority is a logical fallacy. Of course you don't want to discuss it. Why would you want to admit you were wrong, ever?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ex_post_facto_law

https://abcnews.go.com/US/mail-bombing-suspect-cesar-sayoc-indicted-30-counts/story?id=59088285

Fake news. Here are the ACTUAL CHARGES: https://assets.documentcloud.org/documents/5022036/Charges-against-Cesar-Sayoc.pdf

You will notice weapons of mass destruction is not included.

Good job for staying on topic for a change though! Although I suspect you only did it because you thought you were right, but it is progress anyway.

Actually real news.

https://www.justice.gov/usao-sdny/pr/cesar-altieri-sayoc-charged-30-count-indictment-mailing-improvised-explosive-devices

No idea where you pulled up that paperwork. Here are the REAL charges;

https://www.justice.gov/usao-sdny/press-release/file/1110121/download

Congrats on learning to source and do your own research. Really, I am actually impressed. Regardless this is 100% designed to distract from the total failure that was the Kavanaugh investigation, real or not.

So, a crazy right wing bomber was a distraction from a political nomination? Alright. I don't know what tin foil you wear, but it must be some high quality stuff ::)

I say it was to distract from the backfiring of the slandering of Kavanugh perpetrated by the dems, and then you just write something I didn't say, pretend I said it, then argue that. I bet you got all the gold stars in debate class. Maybe if you leave me some more butt hurt negative trust ratings it will change my mind ;)

You are joking, right? The tactics used by blue would be disqualifying in debate. As an example...

http://homepage.ntu.edu.tw/~karchung/debate1.htm

1. There are two teams, each consisting of two or three speakers.

2. Each team has two or three constructive speeches, and two to three rebuttal speeches. The affirmative gives the first constructive speech, and the rebuttals alternate: negative, affirmative, negative, affirmative. The affirmative has both the first and last speeches of the debate.

3. When worded as a proposition of policy, the topic requires the affirmative to support some specified action by some particular individual or group. The affirmative has the right to make any reasonable definition of each of the terms of the proposition. If the negative challenges the reasonableness of a definition by the affirmative, the judge must accept the definition of the team that shows better grounds for its interpretation of the term.

4. The affirmative must advocate everything required by the topic itself. No revision of position of a team is permitted during the debate.

5. He who asserts must prove. In order to establish an assertion, the team must support it with enough evidence and logic to convince an intelligent but previously uninformed person that it is more reasonable to believe the assertion than to disbelieve it. Facts must be accurate. Visual materials are permissible, and once introduced, they become available for the opponents' use if desired.

6. In the questioning period, the questioner may ask any fair, clear question that has a direct bearing on the debate. The questioner may use the period to build up any part of his own case, to tear down any part of his opposition's case, or to ascertain facts, such as the opposition's position on a certain issue, that can be used later in the debate. The questioner must confine himself to questions and not make statements, comments, or ask rhetorical questions.

7. Each speaker is questioned as soon as he concludes his constructive speech. The witness must answer the questions without consulting his colleagues.

8. No new constructive arguments may be introduced in the rebuttal period. The affirmative must, if possible, reply to the major negative arguments before the last rebuttal.

9. The judge must base his decision entirely on the material presented, without regard for other material which he may happen to possess.

10. Any gains made outside of the established procedure are disallowed.

6. In the questioning period, the questioner may ask any fair, clear question that has a direct bearing on the debate.

Ahaha, and that's why you've lost ;)

This intellectual mongoloid show's how naive people can be and how easy it is to mis direct a stupid person's anger.

I wonder if sayoc knows that the current secretary of the treasury was the man who ran the company who "roboclosed" on his house and obviously a big part of the reason for him living in his Trump truck!  It wasn't the DEMS, gays, jews, soros, hilary, obama, it in fact was a Trump ball cupper, a big part of the fucking swamp that was supposed to get drained...

Mnuchin helped run the biggest robosigning company of the 08' banking scam and walked away with 10's (100's?) of millions of dollars personally while avoiding any criminal liability, no wonder Trump loves him!

But hey Trump says fake news, build the wall, drain the swamp what ever gets the mouth breathers frothing!

 

Hard to trust or be allied with anyone named Munchkin

(or close enough to it for gov work....)

Dude got 20 years in prison. nice.

This is a coverup. The explosive devices were sent for them to use against their enemies. And it is working. People think, "Poor Hill and Billary." And the pair become more popular.

8)