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Somebody sent me a screenshot.
Since i don't know what to think about it would like to get your side of the story.
Your possible adress is of course edited out.



https://i.imgur.com/Q0tteWp.png

Looks like edited HTML. $120 = 1.01 BTC in 2018? This is getting pretty pathethic.

$120 or 0.01B was the shipping cost.




Is it ?It was way before with your abuse

You sure about that? Took me 5 seconds to make and upload this:

https://i.imgur.com/UhJAIY4.png

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It's absolutely trivial to fake anything any text that is rendered in your browser.

I asked the sender to send me a video showing that PM between him and suchmoon.
He agreed on it.

But like i said i would like to get suchmoons opinion on that.

Not sure why you edited out the other person's name. If this is legit, suchmoon would know exactly who this is by looking at her PMs.

That can be faked too, albeit it is far from trivial. In certain situations I reject screenshots and video and only want live footage (not that someone skilled enough couldn't fake this too) - not that this is the case here.

If that was truly the case, you would have gone through the proper channels and not making a thread in the wrong section. Even if every single letter from that PM is correct, that would be a reputation issue not a meta issue.

Thank you for that valuable information.
Next time i'm going to open it in the reputation section.

WOW this does look very bad indeed....

This should be interesting.

Love how Lauda is now saying that what appears to be proven lying and breaking agreements for financial gain and threats to silence him are nothing.

This is a good find. If it is 100% legit this will be being repeated a few times as a warning to persons what kind of scoundrels are on DT1

If this is real then why victim didn't made accusation? And suddenly now it sending to you. If this case were happend with you then were you not made accusation? How victims forgot about 1.01BTC and he/she doesn't make any sound. Or am I missing the thread ? Provide more appropriate evidence about this accusation. Just an screenshots is not proving anything. Wait for suchmoon reply...

It's quite simple: because the chances of this being real are very quickly converging to zero.

Read the possible suchmoons threat on that PM again and you know why.

How many legit accounts have they already destroyed ?


But seeing suchmoon online and not responding here i'm pretty sure she is already in contact with that guy.

Then we can all agree that the user can report the PM to a mod (i.e hilariousandco) so he can confirm they are legit, right?

100% fake. Not sure what else I can say about it. I could ask admin to access my PMs but that would prove nothing (I could have deleted the alleged messages). So the accuser needs to show proof.

And yeah it takes 10 minutes to make this shit up.


Piss off dung beetle.

According to Bitfinex's historic data, the average price of BTC was $8,051.80.  $120 would have been 0.015 BTC.  And, who in their right mind would pay $8k  for a used D9?

Next time you want to attack someone's character at least take the time to refine your lies.

Let's see i'm waiting for his PM.

Also on his screenshot he clearly says lets round it down.

suchmoon is not only a scammer, but also lacks proper grammar.  ;D

Man, these people never cease to amaze me. smh

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edit: I'm also wondering if this type of obvious framing is ban worthy?

If I understand correctly it's refers to a trust and not regulated by administration (forum rule #19 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=703657.0#post_rules)).

It's not a bannable offense, sadly. The forum would be much cleaner if they banned others for stuff like this as confirming the authenticity of a PM like that by a moderator is relatively trivial (the accusing side just has to report it to staff).

Any Moderator can feel free to check my PM's if this is legit or not.

This person can report the last PM to a moderator, who can confirm its legitimacy.

I personally think the quote is faked, but am willing to keep an open mind about the situation. There are red flags about the screenshot you posted that haven’t been brought up yet.

I understand that trust is not moderated, but we have someone who has altered forum's html code.

It is an extreme violation to falsify such information, at least in my eyes, regardless of the means and should be dealt with accordingly.

This is indeed a very serious accusation.  On one hand the allegation has been made and should be proven if it is true as it is easily possible to do so.  On the other hand, if the user is trying to stay anonymous then reporting the post will surely give up his identity (a user giving info to mods, which Lauda was at the time, is how TMAN was able to get information on zeroxal that he used to harass zeroxal and his mother).  However, seeing as though suchmoon would already be aware who the user is, I don't think that is a legitimate concern.

Do you have evidence to back up such a rediculous claim?

You just alter what you view in your browser i.e. this was done client side. It isn't a big deal as you can do it on any site, but it really depends on why you did it.

As I've said, sadly this isn't a bannable offense.

It isn't a claim.  It's a fact.  Talk to the users involved.  This isn't the place to discuss, but since you seem to be backing up Lauda while ignoring his misdeeds, you might want to revisit some of the many scammer threads with his involvement.

After Lauda began harassing zeroxal, trying to destroy his reputation and claiming he was a scammer, zeroxal did everything he could to prove his innocence.  This included sending his information to a 3rd party for verification.  He chose to send his passport (bad idea) to IronMarvel2, who then provided it to Lauda whom he thought could be trusted since he was a moderator of the forum.  This information was then given to TMAN, who used it to call and harass zeroxal along with his mother in their home.  Don't take my word for it though.  Ask IronMarvel2 or zeroxal if you need clarification of how Lauda abuses any position he's given to enact terror on those he disagrees with.  I'd rather not share my PMs with everyone involved, but still have them...

Do you accuse me of framing ?


I will wait for a PM from the sender.According to him his new account is limited to 2 PM's per day.
Don't know if thats true or not

I clearly see 2 options:

• Report the PM to an admin. I'm sure the supposed victim trusts at least one admin, at least theymos. He can ask the admin just to confirm the PM without revealing any identity
• If he doesn't trust any admin then choose any other very trusted member of this forum (or 2 or 3), trusted by him and by most other users and grant temporary access to his account. Again, he can ask not to reveal his identity

If it's confirmed it's real then suchmoon would be out of DT in a few minutes so nothing to be afraid of, even if the identity of the victim would be revealed. Since it's so easy to prove the PM is real then it doesn't make sense to pay any attention to this unless that proof is posted.

The screenshot you posted is indeed an attempt at framing a DT1 member.

And you seem pretty sure HTML code isn't being manipulated. How is that? Guess you have inside information, something we don't know? :D

Thule was given this information by a 3rd party. Thule is doing the correct thing by presenting it. He is asking for a mod to confirm. Better still if it is credible get theymos to check the other persons account.

Why would thule be getting banned?

I am not backing up anyone. I'm just getting sick and tired of seeing all these unfounded accusations posted in the wrong topics. Feel free to post evidence of your claims here (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1764757.0).

I have no idea what has happened to you. You used to act like an adult but now you are grasping every tiny opportunity you have of slandering Lauda, such as in this topic. This is between Thule and suchmoon, it has nothing to do with Lauda. You even merited a post (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5103988.0) that encourages people to use a trust list which trusts numerous of known scammers and distrust highly trusted members, just because they hate Lauda more than you do. I couldn't imagine you supporting something like that a year ago. I know a lot of stuff happened between you and Lauda/Tman etc. but this has to stop. You've already left negative feedback so just hit the ignore button (and that goes for Lauda as well).

No.  I won't "just hit the ignore button" as you'd like.  You're the old white woman telling LeBron James to just shut up and dribble.  Sorry, I care too much about this forum.  You're gonna have to deal with it.  You've already excluded me (but not Lauda, shocker), so why not take your own advice and hit the ignore button if you don't like the truths I post?

the D9 was released late April 2018, first shipment from inno was on 27th April. first message is on 4th May, very low chances he got it by 4th may, but i'l let it pass.

BTC price on that date = 9700$

The D9 was selling for less than 7000$.

why would anybody pay 2700$ extra for this shit? why would the seller offer it at such price anyway?

also why did he not start a scam accusation then or now for that matter?
 

     You would be amazed at what markup people are willing to pay for a new miner. Especially if they don't want to wait for the next batch to ship. A ~40% markup is actually pretty low.
     Personally, I don't give this allegation much credence, since the source is Thule. I believe Vod is still waiting for his summons. However, if Thule can get his source to get a moderator involved and show this is true, I'll eat my hat avatar.   ::)

It looks like suchmoon has denied the allegations, so the OP needs to provide actual proof, similar to what others (and myself) have suggested.

If this is fake, and so far, all signs point in that direction, this will be harmful to the community and will only make it easier for someone in a similar situation to scam in the future as these frivolous claims cause future claims to be taken less seriously. 

I don't know if morvillz7z did but I do, because I know for a fact that the story is false and you've been threatening me for a while, so 2+2. There is no plausible reason for some random third party to make up this story and then send it to someone like you when there are far more capable shit-stirrers available, like Quicksy just above. So most likely you just made it up yourself.

I will allow 2 persons to see if these PM's are legit.
2 Persons i trust are ognasty and mrep.
theymos unfortunately denied checking my PM's

The issue is not what is in your PM inbox, the question is if the person who sent you the screenshot has a PM from Suchmoon similar to what the screenshot says.

I would say that I believe you have a PM with that screenshot in your inbox. What I think is less likely is that someone received a PM similar to what the screenshot shows.

Suchmoon accused me of framing so its also about if these PM's exist.And i also disagree with you since i'm very well aware of these kind of manipulations.
For me its looks convincingly.

Did i mention that a 0 post account is begging me to remove the screenshot ?
I sent him a final message based on that i will decide if i will remove that screenshot or not since i'm not going to risk his main income.Its his own final decission.
Why he is begging me to remove that screenshot everyone can imagine himself.Its surely not because of loosing a 0 post account.

A zero post newbie is begging you to remove the screenshot for one of three reasons:

• Someone thinks the screenshot might be real and wants to protect suchmoon
• Someone wants to make suchmoon look bad
• Someone wants to create more drama

What ultimately matters is if the screenshot is real.

He is begging me because according to his PM's he is getting massiv threats on his main account to get his business destroyed on BCT which is his main income source.
He begged to delete the whole thread.


I guess checking the adress on the PM is also no evidence......but a nice coincident right ?


With zero post newbie i mean the guy who sent me that screenshot and some more info.
Tell me a reason why a zero post newbie would be bagging to remove a screenshot or the thread.
Would he be afraid of loosing his newbie account ?I highly doubt so

He's lying or you're lying. There's no other explanation to this thread. The PM authenticity can be trivially proven by the accuser as was said already. The fact that the accuser has not done so means that the PMs are not legitimate.

If you received this screenshot in its redacted form from a zero post newbie, then I would suggest locking this thread. (I think this is what you are saying). You don't have any way to assess the credibility of the evidence, and the evidence is not credible. Suchmoon has denied the validity of the screenshot.

Or that he takes the loss fearing to lose his business on BCT.
Screenshot showed clearly a direct attack to destroy his business on BCT.

This screenshot clearly shows that you are a liar:

https://i.imgur.com/UhJAIY4.png

The point is, you accusations are unfounded unless you come up with an alternative way to provide evidence. Screenshots can easily be tampered with.

From where does the zero post newbie has suchmoons possible adress?

You can claim to have all this information but nobody will believe you without providing evidence. I'm not going to keep repeating myself. Come forward with actual evidence or stop making false accusations.

Is the adress false ?

1. You haven't posted an address.
2. I wouldn't know since I never shipped anything to suchmoon.
3. Having his address wouldn't mean anything.

The zip code and city is posted public.I guess thats enough to say if the adress seems correct or not.


You know what is also funny.I just checked my negative rating i got from suchmoon for arguing about my negative rating with actmyname.
And i didn't even realised it till now

Her reference is the best http://archive.is/Kgpej#selection-5087.0-5087.102

Somebody wanted to crash my business here if i had one with giving this false negative feedback?Based on what evidence does suchmoon as DT1 member which trust is being shown as default says to avoid any deals with me ?Have i scammed someone ?If yes whom ?
Seeing trusts left from people with which i actually did made some transactions they are all somehow positive ....

anyone dealt with suchmoon that can confirm the city and code then?? because if so that does add some credibility to the notion that that person has traded with her


Never seen a proven liar so obsessed and convinced others are lying.

What threats? Will you post another doctored screenshot as "proof"?

Having a PM doesn't mean anything. I know you've been sockpuppeting so I can't see any reason why you couldn't create another account to send yourself a PM to look more "credible".

sounds like speculation and guessing to me.

I mean it is either true or it is not. Is that the correct city and code for you or not?

That city and zip code already appears on this board with a couple of prior dox attempts on Suchmoon.  ::) AFAIK, Suchmoon has already denied those.

I do.  There are so many things wrong with this allegation, and the screen shots offered as "proof."

First off; that's not the avatar suchmoon was wearing at the time of the alleged conversation.  I recall, because I was new to the forum then, and suchmoon was one of those who I noticed immediately as one of the good guys.

Second; the trust rating for suchmoon could only be displayed that way if the person who was allegedly scammed had modified his default trust settings.  If that were the case, why would the seller send a $9,000 piece of equipment to someone who is distrusted by those whom he trusts?

Third; $9,000 for D9?

Forth; why didn't the seller report suchmoon for this transgression himself, and why didn't he do so months ago?

Fifth; you are a shit disturber of the highest order, and it seems like something you would do to tarnish the reputation of some whom you dislike.

So, yeah.  I think you are attempting to frame suchmoon for something he didn't do.  If you care to prove me wrong, please do.

     Unfortunately, when you update your avatar, it displays on all of your posts and PMs,  even the old ones. The trust ratings for all of your posts are also "backdated." However, when you look at suchmoon's trust rating, it does reflect the person may have a similar custom profile as Thule.  ::) However, at least 20 people have adopted the same list as Thule. Furthermore, anyone who has lodged a negative trust rating against suchmoon can make a custom trust list with depth of zero and only include themselves, I believe. Or exclude default trust.
     Also, D9s were rather pricey at around the time. 1 BTC for a resold D9 at that time wasn't outrageous.
     The reason that I am skeptical is that I would think this would have come to light, sooner. If someone ripped me off for 1 BTC, I wouldn't give a flip if the perpetrator ruined my reputation on this forum. BFD ::)
Furthermore, If I had the name and address of the perpetrator, I would have consulted with an attorney/collection agency to assist me months ago.

False allegations hurt everyone. Massive amounts of time are wasted and the community learns to ignore these kinds of complaints as a result of the boy who cried wolf syndrome (is that a thing?).

There are only two logical steps forward here.

1) Have the original PM authenticated.
or
2) Lock this thread.

Thule threatened to dox me, when that didn't have the intended effect he came up with this cockamamie accusation. Now dug up the old dox too... He tried this doxing shit on Vod too. Deranged lunatic.

I hate to burst your bubble, but you have publicly acknowledged your dox and is publicly available on your post history.

From the looks of it, the accusation in the OP is frivolous, but exposing your dox will only post what you have posted.

The sender didn't replied tonight even he was online.Will wait over the weekend if he sends a message since i sent him multiple messages.

@suchmoon i never threatened you.I just informed you i got that PM.Is that a threat ?I guess so if you have dirt under your finger nails.

The sender wrote you from the Brand new account and provided a screenshot that can be easily forged. Nevertheless, you decided to create a noise without having a clear evidence.
Also, why this person don't speak for himself? If you continue this game in hide-and-seek, it may appear that you are sending letters between your accounts.



The message apparently was sent from the profile volodia2 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2540791).

Bullshit. My dox was posted before theymos changed the rules and there was fuck all I could do at the time other than smile and take it on the chin. After the Investigations board was established I started reporting all occurrences to be moved there but it's a fucking whack-a-mole when assholes like Thule and you don't give a shit about rules. You should also report it when you see it, instead of gloating and using my dox when you disagree with me in P&S.


Such righteous. Tell your scammer buddy above to do the same with the "pill addiction" thread  :)


Stay classy.

However, thule has tried to get these authenticated by theymos and another mod so it is quite apparent that he believes these are real. That rules out the speculation thule is sending these non existent messages to himself. That makes zero sense.

If suchmoons dox has been done before then it could be the correct details for the address in full. If it is then he could have found it on the dox or they were scammed by suchmoon.

Sometimes investigations can take some time. I would expect from the dates one could look at Suchmoons post history from that era to see if there was discussion and interest in such miners.

Really Theymos or mod should investigate because if someone would steal a miner like that and then gloat it is quite disgraceful. Also it would just clear this matter up so we can just know the truth.

Thule multiple people have seen your post from your other account, deleting it has failed. Unfortunately, we didn't archive it in time. :D

The ito-marketing one?  Yeah, I saw that and was wondering about it.  Thought my eyes were playing tricks on me for a minute, not that it surprised me one bit.

Yeah that one, one more person asked me about it. I wonder if he's gonna deny it now. ::)

I can vouch for this too.  8)

Ha ha the one who has been accused of being my alt by suchmoon ?

Not exactly...
The one accused by suchmoon is itomarketing. (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2530845)
The one that posted here then deleted is ito-marketing (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2535994)

You have acknowledged your dox, and have posted your dox within your posting history, and as such (to the extent information is found within your posting history), posting your dox is allowed, even with the new rules. If you are reporting posts with this information, you either do not understand the rules, do not care about the rules, or are trying to cause problems for people that do not like you.


In the case of this thread, the OP got his information from a zero post newbie account, and I got my information from someone who I have reason to trust, and have reason to believe. The OP has not described what he asked his source, while I have explained how specifically my source claims to know the information provided to me.

The above is a distinction you either have not noticed, or more likely do not care about and have ignored.

Show me where it is in my post history and I'll report it to get moved to Investigations. Better yet, report it yourself and stop looking for excuses to dox me. I do not consent to any of my personal information to be posted publicly regardless of what you're saying. You do not decide that. IS THAT CLEAR?

Not to mention that all of you fucknuggets pining for my dox are violating rule #2 here:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1576015.0

And no, a fake screenshot doesn't count as a plausible scam accusation.

I didn't saw that post so i can't say.
But checking both accounts i guess its obvious why he deleted that post if he posted it from ito-marketing.
Seems like foxpop did now what ito-marketing aka itomarketing tried to prevent.Getting negetiv tagged for participating here.
Btw @Foxpup .According to Theymos you are misusing the trust feedback.Ito-marketing even posted its not worth fighting in another thread and you post your copy and paste bullshit of Conspiring ? .
I feel sorry for him you keep harrasing him but on the other side keep doing it as quicker you will be kicked out.


Which doxx are you claiming i have posted ?There is only a zip code from a screenshot which you claim is fake.All other information have been blurred.
If someone else claims that this postal code have been used before and i put a link to that old thread how can you accuse me of publishing your personal information?
You still didn't even answered if the postal code from the screenshot matches or not.

No, it was itomarketing who posted that, which happened after I tagged ito-marketing. At the time I didn't even know about itomarketing. While I do appreciate you cluing me in to your alts, the evidence so far is circumstantial; you'll need to give me more than that if you want another tag.

@bones you wrote at your negative tagg some false description and that



I offered theymos to check my PM's and senders IP since he didn't hided via proxy 100% so he would find easily his main account.
Offer still stays to theymos since it would be the ultimate proof against suchmoon.
But he refused.

Since suchmoon accuses me of doctoring that screenshot she should be also asking theymos to check these pm's .
However somehow i don't see her making such requests.

Bones although we have had a few arguments  I do not think you are as unfair as the others so i ask you to be sensible about this issue.

The FACT thule has request theymos look at the original PM is enough to suggest that HE BELIEVES they exist.

I think red trust in light of this is completely wrong. Please explain how you see it other wise.

I see no way for thule to have found this information if suchmoon claims there is no dox anywhere else.

Please be sensible he would not have asked Theymos to investigate this just to fall flat on his face if it were immediately found to be a spoof.

If this blows up and it turns out suchmoon has stolen some persons money or miner then it will look very bad if the person bringing this to light was red trusted along the way considering he is calling on you dts and theymos to help him get to the bottom of it.

It is completely illogical and would be stupid for him to call for theymos to confirm at all let alone of his own accord so early on in this debacle.

It simply does not make any sense for a person to believe thule sent himself this message. His actions are compelling evidence this was sent to him by someone else.

suchmoon's dox was posted more than three years ago, information is still up and can be easily accessed by Thule or anyone else.


Has it been proven as authentic?

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How do you know that?

You drop city and zip. Quicksy drops first and last name. That combines into identifiable information and that's how y'all scammers create loopholes around rules. This information should not be posted outside of Investigations board. It shouldn't even be in Investigation because neither you nor Quicksy have a plausible reason for it.


I have zero interest to help you in any way.

I have some mild interest in getting you, your alts, and Quicksy banned for doxing against the rules so keep going.

So you admit you are harrasing me and tagging everywhere were its possible even the reason is faked ?
Also there are no alts from me which means your goal is to destroy my account or get me banned right ?

It is since i belive its not faked and am even willing to risk to get my account banned.(Here you got your opportunity)
I would do anything so theymos would check the senders IP and compare it with other accounts.


I asked like 100 times but will ask again who did i scammed in 7 years that you call me a scammer ?

Seems like your MO getting people banned for doing nothing wrong.

If it turns out that you did scam this person then it is you that should be getting banned suchmoon

Threats seem a common theme with suchmoon.

AFAIK, libel is usually handled as a civil matter. I strongly believe that this allegation has far less than a 50 % chance of being truthful.



Simply researching with Google or looking through SMs post history will reveal the info contained in the screenshot. Thule seemed to have no difficulty providing a link to one of the threads.

All we have is Thule's word that he asked Theymos. I give this as much cred as "the dog ate my homework" excuse. By the way, Themos isn't going to reveal an "anonymous source" IP without that person's consent. Thule will have to convince his "source" to cooperate in some way.


The negative comment will be removed if this allegation becomes much more substantiated. Hell, if the allegation becomes rock solid against suchmoon, I might even make it a positive. as I said before, I'll eat my hat avatar if that happens.


Compelling? I don't think so at all. Let's revisit what some of our other peers have already posted.



As most people know, these two peers aren't exactly BFF with suchmoon. Claiming you got your information from an anonymous source is no defense for libel. My red tag will remain in place until I'm convinced this allegation is more likely than not to be true. So far, it isn't.

@bones

I think my long post could of clouded my main point.

If thule asked theymos to investigate the persons PM early into this then we need to realise thule did not make it up. It would make no logical sense for him to create something to have it debunked straight away. Theymos may not get involved if it were true (other than remove suchmoon i hope) but he could certainly say this is PM is a fake.

Okay sorry I thought someone said the dox was deleted and she had denied it was accurate anyway.

I found it after you posted it had been used in the past.I never checked it myself before.
However on that thread suchmoon is denying its the right adress


It would take 2 seconds for you to confirm it

I will take any input from Theymos or another administrator into consideration. However, I don't think Theymos is going to confirm an IP unless the source cooperates. If the "source" is cooperating on that extent, they might as well cooperate and have an administrator confirm the original PM.  


It's your juicy scoop. You do the work necessary to convince me that your source exists and is credible. Otherwise fake news.

I'm offering it and you still keep ignorant.I'm offering it and its getting denied which is not my fault.
Shows me the description you posted on my feedback is a lie from you since you are keeping changing your mind.




I don't feel the desire to convince you since you are one of the persons who will always find an excuse.You already proofed your actions so many times by not tagging people who bought or sold accounts.

I just have the desire to warn other people of that possible issue so everyone who makes a check on suchmoon sees that thread and takes its own conclution out of it.

I would have loved to check these PM's as this would be possibly the ultimate proof against suchmoon but since the person who would be able to do so is not willing so there is nothing i can do.

Everyone will be able to make his own opinion based on that thread.
I'm going to post tomorrow the rest of the PM's with the sender should he not reply anymore.

Surely theymos will just say if thule asked him to check the validity of the PMs (with thules permission) that should be enough to say this is 3rd party provided not from thule to himself. Then we can just get rid of that red trust.

Let's keep red trust for scammers only.

Thule can ask his witness, theymos, to come forward and confirm since theymos needs his permission anyway. I'm not going to waste theymos' time by asking him via PM to confirm that thule sent him a PM. If thule asks him directly, it saves him a step.
Also, why on Earth would someone deem a person who is willing to put forward a dubious screenshot alleging theft, suitable to trade with? I certainly wouldn't want to divulge my shipping information to Thule, at this point. Neither should anyone else.

In order for something to be libel, it needs to be proven false, and cause damages, often via harm to their reputation, but can also be to decreased business income and similar.

The fact a statement can not be proven to be true is not libel, the statement must be proven to be false. Suchmoon admits above she cannot prove the OP to be false:

I am also not aware of any business that suchmoon conducts around here on any regular basis, so I cannot say she would win damages, even if she proved the OP to be false.

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People are allowed to post their own public information in their posts, and as such, reporting those posts would not be appropriate.

I don't need your consent to repeat information contained in your posts, we aren't having sex (gross, I got the shivers even thinking about that), I am repeating information I see in your post history.

Perhaps you should stop making people so mad at you they decide to post things that "triggers" you, such as your name. I have not seen you stop anyone from scamming someone, so there isn't anyone mad at you because you stopped them from having money they weren't due anyway.

The statement doesn't need to be "proven" false, it needs to be proven true. The truth is an affirmative defense against defamation. And one only needs to show that the statement is more likely than not. You should know that logically, its much harder to prove something is false. The only way is to prove something is false is to show that the assumption that it is false leads to a contradiction. Also, in most jurisdictions in the US, accusing someone of a crime that turns out to be untrue is "defamatory per se" and doesn't require someone to prove the have had real monetary damages.
Furthermore, with the new dt system, there are well over 200+ DT1 & DT2 members. Any one of them are welcome to leave Thule a positive counter trust if they feel my neg is unfair. Also, any of the DT1 members who feel that I am off my rocker on this are welcome to distrust me. At this point, if 4 do this, my neg is placed in "untrusted" feedback.

Well I would not expect it would matter so long as a person did not try to rip him off. To me thule took the correct course asking theymos to validate.

Well, we need to be careful not to make too many jumps from direct scamming to other things that some could connect to perhaps the privacy of a trade.

We also have to consider here that if someone did rip you off then you are possibly within your rights i believe to dox them if they do not send the money after they have promised. Their privacy does not deserved to be honoured if they try to scam you out of money.

I think if thule contacted theymos soon after he was contacted it demonstrates he was believed it was true. No other explanation makes sense and red trust for this to me is a bit out of place.

If you had evidence of him contacting theymos soon after would you remove?

@Quickseller
How do you expect suchmoon to prove OP to be false when these messages are faked/manipulated, never existed in the first place?
Let's pretend it was your name there, how exactly would you prove them to be false?

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Is it me or these three quotes above sound exactly the same?

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Asking theymos if senders IP match with another account which was back in may 2018 selling mining hardware on this forum.
If not ban thule

Well, Quickseller is the type of guy who thinks that if you don't vigorously mount a defense against an allegation, it's evidence that you're guilty, e.g., Lauda and the accusation that he/she has some sort of addiction to unspecified pills.  The funny thing is that QS isn't an idiot, and I'd expect him to know better than to go for that kind of anti-logic, but I'm guessing that when it suits his agenda he'll go for whatever he thinks might work.

IP addresses don't mean squat.  I don't log into the forum without VPN, and most times my IP is different than the last time.  If it is different, and Thule gets banned, how many sockpuppet accounts do you get to choose from?

Actually, even an opinion from Theymos in a favorable light to Thule on this matter is sufficient to get me to strongly consider my rating. However, I am not going to actively solicit his opinion. I trust my judgement on this matter.

You got the opportunity to get me banned.I'm beliving that the guy told the truth and didn't hide his IP and am willing to risk my account for it.

Suchmoon could be considered a "public figure" or a "limited purpose public figure" and under CA statutory law, she would have to affirmatively prove the statement to be false.

If it were my name there, I don't think I would have a case for libel. If it were me, I would deny the message is real (as suchmoon has done) and move on.

You really think that if suchmoon pursued this in the meatspace that a CA judge would rule suchmoon a "public figure" or a "limited purpose public figure?"  :D Naturally, I don't suspect suchmoon will pursue this since the indications are that Thule is across the pond and it would probably require more resources than the case is worth. In any event, if suchmoon were to bring up a case, it definitely would be stronger than thule's case against Vod.  ::)

If she would open a case it would automaticly mean that the court would also demand from theymos the IP of the sender to check if the screenshot have been sent to me by someone else or not.

Since i know the screenshot hasn't been doctored by me and was sent from a real person i have nothing to fear.

She would also have an opportunity to show the judge who i scammed for calling me so many times a scammer in public.

A limited purpose public figure perhaps.

In the terms of the community, of which the trust ratings are in relation to, she is most certainly a public figure.

She would be counted as one because of her feedbacks being displayed as default which by law makes that she has a way higher responsibility than an average user here.
I tried to explain it several months ago to them but it seems they don't wanna ackknowledge it

https://i.imgflip.com/1uym07.jpg

Thule, provide more proof for this serious allegation. Until then, my red paint remains. I'm going to appeal to OgNasty's recommendation.

Which allegation did i made ? Can you point me to them ?

After reading further I become more certain thule did contact theymos and that he was trying to do the correct thing here. I hope theymos can just confirm thule contacted him asap.

IMO, the best course of action is for the thread to be locked and bones to remove the negative.

Regardless of the legitimacy of the rating, locking the thread will remove the underlying issue, which has previously been the standard to remove ratings.

If the PM is from a zero post newbie, it isn’t credible as displayed. If the OP receives additional verifiable evidence about suchmoon, he can unlock the thread.

If people want i can post the PM i sent to theymos.I didn't do it till now because the PM contains accusations i got from the sender which i forwarded and didn't wanted to publish.



Will be locking after 24h so everyone who wants to post can make a final statement.

Just get Theymos to publicly post a vouch that you contacted him regarding this matter a day or so ago. It's already been established that without some kind of vouch, screenshots and quotes of pms can be doctored and don't hold much weight.

Ask him yourself.I'm not going to force posting him here.He told me clearly he won't make any investigations.

If you post a screenshot from theymos reply then that should be enough> I am sure nobody will dare do that without losing their account.

Just black out some details you think should not be shown.

Then I think bones will remove the red.

I can prove this is a false accusation from the information provided.


This is the entire untrusted feedback placed on Suchmoon since May 2018.
https://i.imgur.com/EhBb3fb.png
https://i.imgur.com/kadvRQE.png
https://i.imgur.com/1K0rPEn.png

The screenshot shows that the person alleging placed untrusted feedback on Suchmoon.

https://i.imgur.com/2xivcL6.png

Why is this relevant ?

It means that who-ever took the screenshot placed red trust on Suchmoon yet fails to mention this transaction. No reference of it and no mention of it.

Making false accusations is serious. Now that I have proven that it is false I feel that unless you disclose who made that allegation that you are hiding the identity of  a scammer.

Why would someone trade with someone they don't trust or place negative feedback yet leave out such damning information ?

Also I have spoken to Suchmoon via PM on a number of occasions. I've never seen Suchmoon re-quote conversations more than just the previous response.

That means nothing. You can't just post random shit you "belive" and call it a reason for dox. First you have to prove that the allegation is credible, then you can proceed to doxing, but only in Investigations.

Your allegation has zero credibility unless you can show proof that the pictured PM communication between my account and the accuser in May 2018 really happened. Hint: you can't because it didn't. So you're either (1) faking it all yourself, even if the newbie account exists and even if you sent PMs to theymos - all that can be part of the act; or (2) you're truly utterly stupid if you get a PM like that from a random newbie and you think it's credible.

Honestly I'm torn. You could be sufficiently dumb for #2 but Occam says it's #1 because there is no plausible reason for some hypothetical accuser to engage you to post the screenshot.


Good point. But...

To save Quicksy and his gang of misfits some time I'm gonna rebuke this myself ;)

The perp could have deleted the rating by now due to... reasons.

Also I have never seen Suchmoon talk like this.

It has far too many errors to be from Suchmoon.

Many grammatical errors and missing words.

https://i.imgur.com/qLbGv6m.png

https://i.imgur.com/OoOZR9b.png

Yeah, the lack of a rating isn't proof that suchmoon didn't scam someone.  That's the beauty of this accusation, there's really no way to prove it didn't happen, so we must believe.

1. Believe that Thule has no ax to grind.
2. Believe Thule!?!
3. Believe Suchmoon is lying.

Can we turn this thread into a poll?

@suchmoon, are you starting to feel like Brett Kavanaugh yet?

I suggest Thule might be quickseller in a Trust Wall post.

Twelve months later I am for a brief moment on the DT then it is taken away.  ^{1} Thule then starts a thread to place my good name under a cloud.

In the ensuing discussion Suchmoon and The Pharmacist say they are going to review my Red Trusts to see where I may have gotten wrong assertions that various UID's are alts.

Thule then switches it's attention to Suchmoon.

quickseller is well known for pushing it's (name) alts under the bus when the alt is no longer of use.

Bizarrely, quickseller firsts contradicts Thule's assertions then increasingly supports Thule's assertions.

If you look at the screen shot in the OP there is a trailing loop like a lower case "Y" that hasn't been crossed out- what ever the UID purportedly sending Thule the screen shot has a six letter user name with the fourth letter as "y"

Given Thule is claiming it will lock the thread I'm posting this now in the hope someone else can recal an alt that either QS for Thule has used that contains:

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{1}

*edit* that should read logictense starts a short lived reputation thread and then Thule starts a thread...

Interesting results when using forensic tools on the image:

https://i.imgur.com/Egxf9rk.png

https://i.imgur.com/mLZDO7n.png

https://i.imgur.com/4IPCUqK.png

https://i.imgur.com/rJkVvBb.png

For those of us that aren't mind readers, what are we looking at? http://archive.fo/X7JSp#selection-5461.0-5461.59

With ELA (Error Level Analysis)  the whole picture should roughly be the same level. If part of the image is a different error level, then it is highly likely it has been digitally modified.

Similar edges should have roughly the same brightness.

Similar textures should have symilar colouring

Flat surfaces should be symilar regardless of colour.

https://fotoforensics.com/tutorial-ela.php


First example is that posted by the OP.

Second example is a test I did by sending PM to myself.

EDIT: Different tool - symilar results.

It shows that it is likely that the image was altered where the levels are different.

Notice how the name who the messages are addressed to are a different level to the rest of the image.
But where the name has been crossed out it is a level similar to the text of the messages.
Yet in the text where it is crossed out it is the same level.

https://i.imgur.com/khrUQJ7.png

https://i.imgur.com/CdK0hBC.png
https://fotoforensics.com/analysis.php?id=e40b0c5209be64440f79d49eff3c7099d4a40b91.318677&show=digest

https://i.imgur.com/0DdpxiU.png
http://fotoforensics.com/analysis.php?id=2904d60d6187529f33ef5adb8b4013df3b2393e1.62721&show=digest

Don't know if it is because I'm currently on my phone, but nothing obviously edited jumps out of those images at me? I've never looked at anything like that before, however, so please point out what I should be seeing.

Surely this would only prove if the image had been digitally edited, such as in Photoshop or similar? If they simply downloaded a page and edited the html, which is probably more likely, it would appear normal?

Yes- it looks like the image has been digitally altered in more places than that we are certain that it has been altered.

Especially if you look where we KNOW the image has been digitally altered (where the name is crossed out).


With the header the lettering and the crossing out are different colors and levels.

https://i.imgur.com/RdSqIQC.png

https://i.imgur.com/HhCVw7f.png

With some of the lettering (the body of the message) the text and crossing out are roughly the same color and level.

https://i.imgur.com/cyY8Kfn.png

https://i.imgur.com/92SxXeN.png

It's now 24 hours and 40 minutes (http://archive.fo/pZEpX#selection-3005.0-3005.30) since Thule last posted in this thread (and roughly half an hour (http://archive.fo/qA6yF#selection-349.0-351.15) since they were last online) probably time to call this for what it is.


Time to lock this thread.

Courtesy of LoyceV (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=459836):

User: ito-marketing (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2535994)
Post ID: 49663593

Is that the post y'all saw?

I can't be 100% sure. However, I believe that was the post that we saw.

Just checking in case there was more than one ;)

So it looks like Thule was replying to this:


And didn't realize he was logged in to the wrong account. Perfect spokesperson for the DT1 "revolution" (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5103988.0).

All this drama over a couple of tags regarding him trying to buy an account. The more Thule struggles, the more red paint that he gets.

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/65/09/2a/65092a373d7a44306cc094606a30be47.gif

We need to realise though that struggling against " a couple of red tags" can be a worthy cause if those red tags are clear  examples of

1. trust abuse
2. double standards

These things should not be tolerated inside a trust system. I am pushing for a transparent and fair system for ALL persons. Others are pushing for this and nothing more.

Any persons criticising  or opposing this regardless of individual anecdotal experiences need to ask themselves why.

I'm playing this game where I guess what cryptohunter is saying and then I click Show/Hide to verify... quite boring TBH, I'm winning 100% so far. "something something unfair something abuse something".

Yeah, I just fed the troll, shame on me.

I decided after that massiv amount of false accusation on my person with the intention to destroy that thread to let the thread open.
The asslicker Timeloard who tries now everything to get DT will soon get his own thread with his lies represented.
Suchmoon claim about me being ito-marketing is just to defame me and at that same time this thread.The other known puppets instantly joined to give their nonsense trying to destroy that thread by changing the focus of the topic.

I will add the other PM's from the sender here shortly.
I tried to get a Mod all PM's approved however Mprep also denied checking the PM's when giving him access to my account.

You wanna keep defaming with false accusation.....ok i got no problem with keeping that thread open.

Any mod who wants to check my account should send me a PM.


About the forensic i won't say a word since i have no clue about it like the poster i guess who tried to act smart with his nonsense.

Have you not been reading the thread?

The fact that you have this chain of messages in your PMs (which I don't doubt) proves nothing. They have almost certainly altered and then sent to your account, either by someone who suchmoon left red trust to and wants to frame them, or by yourself from one of your several alt accounts. Having a mod confirm that this message exists in your account does nothing to confirm the authenticity of the original PMs.

As OgNasty pointed out to you days ago, your options are either to have the original PMs authenticated via the account of the person who alleges to have traded with suchmoon, or to accept you have no evidence and lock the thread. The longer you leave this open without proof, the more desperate you look.

Suchmoon and many other already accused me here on that thread to have clearly doctored/framed the screenshot.
Of course this was in the intention to change the focus of that topic but i won't let it sit on me.


They wanted to add their nonsense accusations to change the focus of that thread after i declered to lock the thread  .....no problem let's disprove them.Maybe theymos will also change his mind and check all IP's.
I have nothing to worry or to hide.

IPs prove nothing. You can quite easily log in to an alt via a VPN, via your phone's data instead of your WiFi, via a public WiFi, etc, etc. Just because whichever account sent you that nonsense has a different IP to you doesn't prove it isn't your account.

Regardless, whether you were sent it by yourself or by someone else is beside the point. You posted it publicly so as to claim that suchmoon is a scammer, and so you must provide proof of its authenticity or be rightfully ignored. The onus is not on theymos to falsify your claim, the onus is on you to prove it. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burden_of_proof_(law) (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burden_of_proof_(law))

It's not defamation if it's true. But I'd love to hear your explanation. Are you claiming ito-marketing didn't post here?


The screenshot is 100% doctored and I know that for a fact. As for everyone else, I think your inability to show any evidence in a week should be sufficient to prove that it's fake.

Whether you did it yourself or not could be debated but I have very little doubt about that given your sockpuppeting proven just above.

From what I've seen the one person most capable in the effort to "defame" you is you.  You've done a great job with that just by posting this thread.  You, all by yourself have demonstrated just how little credibility you have by posting this unproven allegation against a reputable forum member.  You claim this allegation stems from some anonymous newbie, whom you oblige yourself to protect for some unknown reason.  You continue to promise more evidence to prove this allegation, yet you are unable or unwilling to deliver.  When all else fails, you threaten to dox suchmoon.  

Speaking for myself, I'm convinced you are a liar, a cad, a scoundrel, and you have no redeeming qualities whatsoever.

Continue to claim you have no alts, and I read "LIE."
Continue to promise more PMs, and I read "LIE."

Ohhh do i really ?
I haven't seen till today the evidence of the accusations that i'm Quickseller,a scammer,ITO-Marketing,Cryptohunter,a spammer and an Abuser.
Somehow nobody of you guys are questioning these to everyone public statements ?


Also did i ever claimed that suchmoon scammed someone ?
Or did i forarded a screenshot which i received via PM where i personly belive the sender is legit as many points are in his favour ?



Would you open your eyes you would have read that i clearly stated that i didn't saw his post.
So i can't deny or confirm something what i didn't saw.


In my opinion you are very lucky that theymos is not checking the IP's which i offered him to do



Am tired of reading that nonsense.I never promised delivering more evidence since its not in my power.There are only 2 persons who could do that.
1.The sender and theymos.The sender is denying fearing of his business claiming suchmoon is threatening him cause she has his adress.
Theymos denying to check IP's and make an investigation even i offered to ban my account should i be wrong.

Also your posting shows what kind of snop you are if you making diffrences between newbies and older members.Suchmoon is no old member.She registred in 2014 so cryptohunter or me are way older and still your make diffrences.
Keep licking.These kind of posts with double standards will be now ignored by me .

You sir, are a cad, sir, a villain and a brigand! (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XUfmYnGO6B8)

There is zero "points [...] in his favour". Starting from the fact that no one in their right mind would ask you to post an accusation on their behalf.


LOL. Did you post it blindfolded?

Lol, I have been spending some time with Victorian literature lately.



^^This!  If I was a newbie who had been scammed by a highly ranked member, I would go to a moderator or admin, not some schmuck with no credibility. 

Did i ever said he did ? But thanks for pointing it out.I guess it will be clearer when people will see the rest of the PM's
Here one of them

https://i.imgur.com/ZInBxdw.jpg



Is it again your poor try to change topic with false accusations ?


@suchmoon i hope you are aware that i posted that screenshot only on your own demand and acting with false accusations on me.
I wanted to do him the favour and stop adding screenshots and locking the thread.
At least you can't blame him its his fault if these PM's are true.

OK. Someone didn't ask you to post this accusation. But you did post this accusation. What the fuck is going on?

Ninja-edit to Thule's ninja-edit: so it looks like you're saying someone sent you a screenshot (why?) but didn't want it posted? And you went ahead and posted it? That supposed to make you seem more trustworthy? Holy shit.


There is proof that the message was posted and deleted. Its contents is exactly what you would post. ito-marketing was already suspected to be your alt and this is fairly solid proof of that. Which part of this is false and why?

There is no change of topic here as this all pertains to your credibility or rather lack thereof.

 ::) ::)

I won't hold my breath while I listen to the crickets chirping.


Lol, false accusations, he says.   That's rich, coming from the guy who started this thread.

Cryptohunter was accused being me,Quickseller,Ognasty if i remember it right,and many other users where accused to be me.You call that proof ?
And with accused you mean your funny try to defame someone claiming being me based on a single word ?

Looks like solid evidence to me.If this is evidence than i guess i have the ultimate evidence. (irony)

The ito-marketing post is solid evidence witnessed by multiple users. It's not a single word, it's the whole post and its context.

On the other hand, all you got is a doctored screenshot.

Let them go hungry, that's my advice.  There's no point in either side continuing a conversation like this, where both sides have their heels dug in so deep.  It's exhausting and fruitless, and I'm afraid it's wearing out good members like marlboroza.

Put these numbskulls on ignore and let 'em stay there without peeping.

So this "person" wanted to give you ammunition, but seems surprised that you used the ammunition?  ???  I can't wait to see what else you cook up.  :D

Just explaining the reader your manipulation.
Let's even assume itomarketing is my alt (it isn't) why would it change the topic which has a totaly diffrent focus ?

A poor attempt of changing readers focus on another topic and nothing more.

What focus? The title asks me to provide info, I'm doing my best to provide you all kinds of info. Not my fault that you don't like it.

Why don't you tell us why you posted the fake screenshot and why you're sockpuppeting. Nobody seems to understand this nonsense that you're doing here.

Posting false accusation of my person is an attempt to change focus which has nothing to do with the info i asked for.




First of all i didn't faked anything.I offered theymos and mprep to log into my account and check it themself.Both refused.

I posted that screenshot because i belive the sender who send me that screenshot and his explanations even so much that i offered to ban my account should the senders IP not match with another account here on BCT which was selling back in 2018 mining equipment.

Thats why i posted that screenshot.

Not false and has everything to do with your credibility, which is really the only thing left to discuss now that you failed to support the scam accusation presented in the OP and you're not removing it and not locking the thread.


As much as I would like to see you banned, this is meaningless given that theymos already told you he's not going to get involved. So again, you're staking your non-existent credibility on something that can't possibly be proven.

Keep bumping this thread and I'll keep calling you a sockpuppeting liar. Not much else left to do here.

dude just lock this shit already.

Yep listen the a sock puppet pro like huge black woman aka the pharmacist. This fool knows how to fuck things up and make sure he gets busted for sig spamming his racist trolling.

Good members like Moronbozo who have never achieved anything or made any original thought provoking posts of any real value, yet that seek to red trust honest members that uncovered huge scams and fought many times alone against all manner of scam promoting scum like lauda and huge black woman. Red trusting them for some pathetic scare quotes bullshit. These fools are the "good " members apparently.

Thule asked theymos to verify it was real so obviously he thought it was real. End of story. There would be no point asking theymos to verify something he already knew to be false.

Who cares about the dox part since suchmoon already said the dox is wrong? makes no sense does it?

Now ass lickers like that dire poster wolf boy turning up to add his usual sickening dregs of posts that blurt out support for his moronic hero suchmoron.

I see them all piling in here now as usual slobbering over one another.

Thule will lock the thread when he feels ready to do so. It is not for others to demand threads are locked.

I take this a reply for my post ? well that was not a demand,  but more like a request.

suchmoon is probably on my top 3 disagree-with list, but when it comes to trustworthiness i am sure that even your self know this topic is nothing but fake bullshit, not accusing OP, he could be telling the truth, but whatever message he got is obviously B.S, and since there is no solid proof behind this "accusation" it's better locked till further proofs are presented " if ever".

you out of many people know this shit is fake, it's not fair to accuse someone for something without a solid proof just because you have problem with them, you are doing exactly what you are marching against.

if you think this is okay, then the tags you got are okay too right? everyone using whatever shit at their disposal to beat the other person. where is  the fairness b.s you talk about all day long?

You are not the only one to demand this thread is locked. So no it was not aimed directly at you.

I have no idea if this is fake or not. How can anyone know ?

I said that Thule must believe it to be real or why else would he ask theymos to check the PM's.

This is a thread like the cryptohunter is a troll let's ignore him thread. This is not a red tag nor a request for him to be banned.

These fools need no proof to red tag persons at all. Thule was red tagged because apparently he is an alt of QS which seems highly unlikely.

This is not even an accusation thread. This is a suchmoon will you comment thread.

I have no idea if it is real. However if suchmoon says the dox is incorrect then that seems to suggest the message is fake.

Then again how does anyone know that suchmoon is not lying about the dox.

Suchmoon supports liars so I have no faith in her at all.

I have no idea how you are so sure it is not for real?

You would think a mod or theymos would look into this kind of thing to confirm either way.

My "fairness" is there for anyone to observe over the last 6 years, it is beyond questioning. My deeds are beyond questioning however I see no such sticking up for me by anyone over my PROVEN abuse.

People setting up some pitty party for moronbozo leaving DT (fake and wont happen anyway) that loser never did anything of real note and tried to red trust me for some scammy scare quote tagged on the end of three real sets of quotes and inserting something similar to what I said inside the scare quotes.

Sorry but these people don't do fair.

I wanted to lock the thread and move on like the sender of the PM's asked me to do.

Did you saw after that announcement the shitstorm with false accusation on my person ?

Why didn't you asked them for proof of their claims ?

Your request seems to be only in favour of one side.

Exactly so it's like we must have proof to ask for a comment on possible wrong doing.

They red trust you and ruin your account on a mere hunch that you are an alt of someone LOL

Most of these people are shit scared of these DT gang and will favour them in almost any scenario.

Mikey can often be found to align with these people and these corrupt systems of control against genuine honest members that have been abused and lied about by these scoundrels.

He now starts to accuse me of being unfair after siding with them in my case and also fighting himself against a revised transparent and fair system that treats all members equally.

The very notion of comparing this to my case of proven trust abuse and attempts to silence proven facts of wrong doing are completely ludicrous.

This threads is an exploration of the details there is not even any red trust given for this unless I am mistaken.

Title is can you comment right not suchmoon you scamming thief ?? so as yet nothing is being assumed only that the email send to thule was in need of some investigation or do you wish it swept under the carpet?

It is a pitty a mod can not just check the pms and see if there is some truth here or not.

You're a sockpuppeting liar who got busted posting from the wrong account. There is proof and multiple witnesses. Only an utter idiot (hint: that's you) would try to deny the obvious.

No proof that I have seen presented.

Proof of what ?That somebody posted on this thread which some people have seen ?Thats your proof ?You accused him being my alt or from cryptohunter.
Your proof is worth horse shit like your previous explanation why itomarketing was my alt.
You even said yourself that you don't need clear evidence on newbie accounts just on reputabled accounts.
You proofed yourself that your evidence that itomarketing was my alt was taken out of your stinky ass.

You posted with that account and you were responding to my remark addressed directly to you. Here is the context in case your forgot it:



This is about as blatant as it gets. You're a sockpuppeting liar.

@Thule,
How people can trust you if you first say one thing and then something completely different.

You know the diffrence between marketing ,marketer and dev ?

I'm a professional dev creating seo tools which are being used for marketing.I created a known seo tool.
I know marketing very well because of analytics i have to study daily and webmaster/marketing agencies requests but i'm still no marketer.
What i create /created is a seo tool with monthly new features for my customers which they use for better rankings and also for other kind of marketing actions depending on the plugin they use.
I create for online marketing agencies and webmasters their marketing tools.
So who am i a dev of marketing tools or a marketer?

lol at this proof

please be sensible qwk would laugh at this proof. I mean he would say this is all very weak sauce if you are talking proof.

just one possibility

What if itomaketing is just toying with suchmoon ? wanting him to jump to wrong conclusions and intentionally posted that (if it happened i didn't see it) then deleted to give the impression it may have been thule?

He may just be messing with you since you are so convinced of it in the first place.

Proof of lauda lying or proof of Huge Black Woman aka the pharmacist (he confesses )  those are proven cases..

This other effort from the last asskisser to arrive on the scene

this is my speculation and perhaps not the explanation but is just one explanation

2017  more marketing
2019 more dev less marketing but still has experience

I mean this thread is about suchmoon and did it scam someone or not. I see this being taken off track.

there is no doubt thule thought it was genuine and did not send it to himself (as the theymos and mprep appeal to verify confirms).... so based on that then this all sounds quite distracting. I mean these unsubstantiated claims are irrelevant ,thule is just the messenger and does not have any bearing on the message if he did not send it.

The message is either true or untrue regardless of whether you think thule is ito or is a marketeer or dev.

stop diverting

Back on topic.

You're a lying piece of sockpuppet excrement. If you said "water is wet" I'd have to double-check.

It's unlikely, since ito-maketing wrote at first that he began his online activities in the late 1990s, and Thule said the similar phrase a few days later.




Too much coincidence around them.

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If admins will want to check the profile volodia2 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2540791) who probably has sent PM to Thule, then they also can check the linked account volodia (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=433143).

How do you know it's volodia2 sending the PMs and how is it linked to volodia (other than the username, which is a fairly common Russian name I think). It's quite interesting that volodia posted in my GAW thread but I'm not sure if there is any residual grievance or something.

Edit: scratch that. I know who volodia is. Dug up some old PMs from those days. Nothing to do with volodia2 for sure. It's a throwaway account created to post some chat logs without exposing the original author. Somewhat ironically - due to doxing risks.

Answered in PM.

Jeezus Christ dude!
Ya know I got no skin in this farcical whine fest against suchmoon, but here's my observation from  
reading all your various juvenile whinings about trust lists or wtf they are and all your other
obsessive screeds that endlessly repeat  the same fucking thing about lauda lying and HBW Pharmacist shit or some such thing
that seem to pollute every other thread in meta.
 Let it go ffs.
 Hey, here's an idea. Go post about bitcoin somewhere . After all this is bitcointalk yeah?

And anyone who has a by-line that reads "BLAH BLAH BLAH... SCUMBAGS BLAH BLAH in all caps
is very telling about ones character....

You and Thule have to be the the biggest asshats on these boards but that's just my opinion,
though I'm quite sure I'm not the only one around here who thinks this.

just sayin....

You might be actually the only one because everyone else has CH on ignore ;D

Very interresting find ,thank you



Who is it ?

Is this where we bond and start our beautiful friendship and share secrets?

Not happening, sorry.

All I heard was bla bla bla

Truth regarding wrongdoing and untrustworthy deeds by persons in trust position does not = juvenile whining?  neither is it shit.

 I could not give 1 shit regarding your opinion nor all the other scum bags supporting persons proven of untrustworthy behaviour.

It actually pleases me that you find it annoying. Good.

I think someone trying to sweep wrong doing under the headings of shit, whining etc is far more telling regarding someones character.

Please don't post more net negative junk. All I see is a nobody that I never heard of slobbering and ass kissing up to a bunch of untrustworthy scum.

I've seen you brown nosing suchmoon a few times already. Try to make it less obvious it's quite revolting and you look pathetic.

"oh suchmoon starts a topic in rep" ...you know this will be great....  LOL what a gimp.

@Veleor

well we have gone from proof to unlikely and too much of a coincidence.... these are not really the same as proof.

I have no friends who are keyboard warriors.

FTFY

You really don’t belong here.. in this thread.. IJS

Am sorry can't help you.
Only suchmoon can remove the red tagg and i doubt she will change anything even if i proof i'm not you.
She is clearly a psycho and when seeing her picture you could instantly see she has a mental ilness by her look.


She also tagged me with false claims that people shouldn't make any deals with me even she can't show a single person i cheated or who complained about me about a trade.
She is very quickly in destroying businesses which the screenshot proofs.I got another PM where the guy said he got red tagged by a buddy of suchmoon.

Since she seems mental ill and tries hard to defend her main income (based on the poor house she is living in and spent amount of time on this forum) i can't do much for you buddy.
Even if you were an alt of me (which you are not) what would be the reason tagging you ?
I got tagged because i tried 2 years ago to buy an account where rules clearly stated that its not against the rules and where i asked a mod for permission.
I raised my voice against the red tagg and they tried to destroy my account.But still where did i ever cheated anyone that they keep harrassing people tagging them claiming its my alt.
Even if it is my alt i have never cheated anyone that would justify to destroy ito-marketings business.

It just shows what a bunch of crooks they are destroying peoples businesses giving shit if you are an alt or not.
Funny they didn't started attacking Quickseller again as i got also tagged to be an alt of Quickseller.


Like i said buddy am sorry but i can't do much.I will just expose them and maybe add public informationon of them to make them accountable to people they cheat on.
Just have a look at suchmoons picture and you will instantly see that she isn't very healthy.


All i can say if they destroy your legit business here you will be forced to look for alternative roots which are maybe against the consensus but thats the result of their abusive tagging so nobody can blame you about that.


Am sorry i can't help you more.

Are you talking about the cuts on the ears? I can assure you that's quite normal for Experiment 626. I'm also having some doubts about your medical qualifications and your ability to diagnose by pictures.

We watched that picture closly and everyone agreed based on that face and body posture (including clothing) .Clearly a keyboard warrior and not much lady like.

Last PM from sender
https://i.imgur.com/H6obaif.jpg

"Everyone" in your imaginary doctor's office? That sounds serious. Just tell me how much time do I have left to live. Couple of months at least?

Am i allowed to post that picture here so everyone can judge themself and provide answers to your question ?

NFI what picture you're talking about and why you're asking.

Why don't you ask for permission of the person whose picture you're going to post because sure as shit that ain't me. But I do like your insistence on proving time and time again that my feedback for you was very much on point. You're a fucking lunatic and no one should engage in any deals with you. Seeing what you're doing here it's not hard to imagine the damage you'd be able to inflict with someone's real info.

You seem to have some mental crackdown ?
First you claim on orginal thread that its not your info.After that you start attacking me and quickseller for posting your personal info even we didn't since i only posted a postal code .Now you claim again its not your personal info......

However that was not my question.My question was do i have your permission since i never broke any forum rules and i need your permission to post it.
If you are sure its not you on that picture i guess you have no issues giving me here permission so i can add that picture to that thread so people can judge themself.

As a healthcare professional, please PM me your method of diagnosing both physical and mental health issues based only on a picture. I'll offer you a 30% cut once I've completely dominated the entire global healthcare market.

Once you send me your legal papers calling yourself a healthcare professional i will forward you my diagnosis method.

It is time to drop this and/or any other threads.

Jesus. Fucking. Christ. Go to the Investigations board and post it there: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?board=227.0

Make sure to add pictures of my house, extra bonus if you can post my kids and the dog too. There is literally nothing I can do to stop you, only hope that you're actually dumb enough to do it. Make my day, asshole.

The dog is going to be the most difficult part.

I'm sure there are pictures of some random people with dogs on the internet. ;)

It's not like we're aiming for accuracy here with the scarlet idiot who is either dumb enough to believe random PMs or dumb enough to doctor PMs thinking others will believe it.

Does it mean i have your permission to post the picture ?
Please provide a clear yes or no

No.

I guess we both know why you said no......don't we ?


Funny i the so called scammer obey the forum rules where you abuse them.


A nice find i just made


So now i'm the sockpuppet of cryptohunter who doctored screenshots?


You are lucky theymos denied else you were long time banned from this forum.

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Would be posting an URL where a picture is publicly hosted be against forum rules ?
I guess not since i don't publish private information but just a link to an existing website.


Am i wrong with that assumption ?

I said "no" because you're an utter moron. I'm happy to hear that we agree on that.


LOL. Once again...

I just checked my local laws and i can't be held responsible for the content of a website where i link.

Now the question is would it be against forum rules ?

So... you obey the rules but you don't know the rules? Also evidenced by your multiposting above.

I know the rules perfectly and i know for a fact it wouldn't break any forum rule.
The question is more directed to DT members who have their own to public unknown rules they always claim to execute.

Which is it?

You're so red that you certainly have nothing to worry about regarding DT.

I will ask some buddies arround maybe someone is going to post that link from their newbie account.

archived (http://archive.vn/Ycoa6)

How is this thread still on-going?

Here are the facts, objectively.

We are looking at a case of hearsay.
Thule may or may not be lying: that is not the issue at-hand.

If Thule is lying, then the evidence is clearly false. Assume that Thule is not lying.
We then have another user that has PM'd Thule a screenshot of a PM.

Text can be doctored easily and we have no way of verifying the message.

Any proof that Thule provides is pointless because this is still hearsay. Thule's received PM can be legitimate, but the screenshot provided thereof may be illegitimate.
The only way to prove the screenshots are legitimate are for the original sender to verify them. Since they apparently do not want to, there is insufficient evidence regarding this case.

Thus, this fails to disprove the null hypothesis. We can pragmatically claim that the private messages to the unknown party are fake.

Any one who was following this thread from the beginning can conclude that who PMed Thule is a liar.

He refused to reveal his identity because he was afraid of retaliation. But now there is nothing to be afraid of after being red tagged as he claimed!?

Well, not everyone. ito-marketing and Thule seem to believe volodia2.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/b/b2/The_Three_Faces_of_Eve_-_1957_-_poster.png

It's questionable to think that someone would be afraid of red trust from a member who would be ousted were the information true.

Quite dubious indeed.

I don’t think it is *proven* the PM is fake, although the evidence being presented is certainly insufficient. The OP is offering evidence that doesn’t back up the claim that such moon scammed anyone.

Frankly, if the PM in the OP is real, this person should go to the police. If suchmoon retaliates with a negative rating, she may get charged with witnesses intimidation.

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I would also point out that I think this (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5106712.msg50036041#msg50036041) post is horribly dishonest. It appears suchmoon is trying to entice the OP into breaking forum rules that she would presumably complain about if he posted the alleged picture.

It somewhat reminds me of how she claimed (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5113767.msg49905023#msg49905023) to have nothing against redsn0w, yet had three 5 year old examples of plagiarism the day it was made public that he was banned.

Never said that the PM has been faked. Just that there is insufficient evidence to back up the claim and hence we can dismiss it in typical pragmatic systems of belief.

Considering the (what I perceive to be sarcastic) remarks were placed after the request to move dox to the Investigations board, I don't see suchmoon trying to get Thule to break the rules.

Once you know what you're looking for in a ban, then it's far easier to find evidence thereof.

Given that they didn't bring up the evidence prior to your dissenting remark, I'm inclined to believe that suchmoon scrounged up the evidence subsequently.

If they really did have something against redsn0w, I don't see why they wouldn't report the instances of plagiarism before sn0w was banned.

I would also like to point at the nice find of Veleor


https://i.imgur.com/RADjerL.jpg


He was right about the senders nick volodia2 and instantly linked it to his another (first) dummy account volodia.
When checking that account you can see posts about GAW miners.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=433143


GAW miners ,suchmoon ?  Nice coincident isn't it?

I don't think suchmoon is guilty of what is claimed in the OP, and would give zero weight to the accusation, and would give zero weight to this accusation if a similar claim was made in the future *with similar amounts of evidence*. I would give more credence to this accusation if there is a substantiated claim that suchmoon did something similar   

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redsn0w has over 10k posts, and as such, I would dispute that it is easy to find plagiarism within that many posts even if you know there is plagiarism within his posts. 

someone clearly reported him for plagiarism, as this is how he was banned. Based on the fact suchmoon had three examples of his plagiarism, I would believe she was the one who reported redsn0w

Regardless, reporting someone doesn't necessarily mean you're directly attacking them. If a user found instances of plagiarism, they would most likely report the posts regardless of the individual.

If somebody is posting plagiarism from posts back from 2014 he clearly searched for anything to attack that member.
Noone healthy is checking randomly posts from somebody from 2014 on an account with this massiv amount of posts without an agenda.


Suchmoon clearly tried to find something against that account and just proofed again how she destroyes accounts on this forum.

This is assuming suchmoon was the one that reported the posts.

I'm not sure how people look for plagiarized posts nowadays, but surely someone must have a scrape tool to automate the process. Finding posts that way is not completely out of the question.

Perhaps your statement is true. However I am not sure how someone would find an instance of plagiarism that is nearly five years old if they were not looking for trouble. Not that I approve of this, but suchmoon does often look the other way in regards to transgressions of those who are powerful. One of the threads redsn0w plagiarized in is currently locked and its last post was in 2014.

I am on the fence as to if punishment should be handed down for something that happened 4-5 years ago. I can't say I would be against someone reporting something this old -- the powers to be can decide if punishment is warranted. However I don't think it is reasonably accurate to say you have nothing against a person if you are reviewing multiple a 5 year old posts in multiple threads for plagiarism.

reporting plagiarism back from 2014 and showing the plagiarism lines which were posted 5 years ago shows clearly the intention of suchmoon as i doubt any decent DT members
like LoyceV,Bones,Ognasty,Asche etc would ever report this kind of staff which was back in 2014.

Of course she does. That snitchy bitch suchmoron is including proven liars, trust abusers and sneaky greedy racist sock puppet sig spammers in her trust list, sticking up for them in public, and excluding those on dt that speak the truth about them.
She is a frontman (looks very male) for untrustworthy scum. I would not even doubt she would try to scam someone if she thought she could get away with it on a weaker and unknown member. Since we have no proof we can not say for sure but it is in character with the rest of her actions.

Anyone willingly and knowingly supporting financially motivated untrustworthy scum should be blacklisted and treated as pariahs here. This will happen eventually anyway.

The mere fact that people are willing to take the most illogical views here to demonise the messenger on her behalf are very telling. It makes ZERO logical sense for him to ask theymos and mods to debunk his fake pms so soon in the cunning scheme LOL  People suggesting this are either stupid or simply jumping to suchmoons defense and using illogical argument to do so.

Did suchmoon scam or did she not scam. We will likely never know unless Theymos will look to see if those pms were legit back then. Even then she could just say I forgot they were there or that they were sent, or I didnt send them... we can never really know if there was a scam.

You call plagiarism from 2014 cleaning?
You didn't changed anything just destroyed another account.

that snitching scab suchmoon makes out she wants what is best for the forum but consider this

The Pharmacist aka Huge Black Woman spewed out hundreds of racist trolling shit posts to sig spam under a sock puppet and that snitchy dirty bitch - includes them in her trust list, and does not give them red trust or suggest they are banned for sneaky greedy financially motivated shit posting for btc dust.

She is an imbecile. She demonstrates her double standards on every post related to this kind of crap.

I mean she is a total moron - go read my merit threads she debunks her own arguments and when you really pressure her then you can watch her skull implode like a rotten pumpkin and it spews out LUDICROUS statements that demonstrate what kind of idiot you are dealing with.

She whines about sock puppets then ( i suspect starts her own ScumBuster) or agrees with them and sticks up for them.

I mean who can take this kind of idiot seriously? only greater fools.

That is not even mentioning she red trusts persons who she says supports "possible" scams then for those that are proven liars and protectors of PROVEN scams she again adds them to her trust inclusions and fights tooth and nail to stick up for their other extorting ways.

What an excellent member we have here "suchmoron"

You want to find the INCORRECT information here. Go ahead present your case.

Kick her off DT and take her bag of cycled merits away. Back to noobie.

Somebody deleted link to suchmoons adress which she claimed to be wrong and which is publicly accessable based on her request ?     ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D



Anyone abused or scammed by suchmoon can PM me and will get a link to her full adress and her picture for free.

[quote author=Thule link=topic=5106712.msg53958686#msg53958686 date=1583270069]
[size=7pt]Somebody deleted link to suchmoons adress which she claimed to be wrong and which is publicly accessable based on her request ?     ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

Anyone abused or scammed by suchmoon can PM me and will get a link to her full adress and her picture for free.[/size]
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Interesting that you would use a real email address for a throwaway UID

https://talkimg.com/images/2023/05/17/blob07087cabb10a8c1b.jpeg

(and that you don't have any crayons to write down said password)

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Also interesting are your two spelling mistakes:


From a preliminary search, in all of BCT I can find just one other instance of those two spelling mistakes being made:


[quote author=lovesybitz link=topic=2942080.msg40006639#msg40006639 date=1528872540]
Well when I read their it says that they want to make a secure storage for peoples money and easy accessable for every user when he wants to

remove his crypto from our platform. We Will be looking to partner up with many sellers which will be implemented into our network and u will be

able to buy anything u need for everyday life with ur SCE tokens, we tend to make a platform similar to some higly recognised platforms and make

a ranking based system, where people will rate sellers on a 5 star system, also sellers will deliver their products to buyers on their home adress via

mail.
[/quote]

lovesybitz has the same type style as Thule, one line separating each line of text.

Although the original post has been deleted [Archive [1a (https://archive.ph/UvFgp#selection-3411.0-3427.5)], [1b (https://web.archive.org/web/20200304003605/https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2942080.msg40078927%23msg40078927)]] the perpetrator of that spelling mistake ( lovesybitz (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=952731) ) has been banned.

https://talkimg.com/images/2023/05/17/blobb3ab9f2dc0b6c388.jpeg

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Perhaps someone else can delve deeper into more connections to cross-verify if Thule is an alt of the banned UID lovesybitz?

Yeah... this is probably just a coincidence. A number of results for "acessable" and "adress" come up (4 and 5 pages respectively) of which there can be multiple instances in each of the threads (probability approaches 1 as page count increases).

Though in that specific post you have both of them show up, it's not as if the other users of which produced the spelling mistakes couldn't have done the very same. I have not checked for an overlap in the search results but I don't think linking accounts in this way would be a great precedent. I know that "adress" with one d is a common misspelling. As for the other, it would be difficult to justify for native speakers but I believe this is derived from a "sound-it-out" idea of spelling.

Interestingly enough, lovesybitz stops with the double spacing at around October of 2018: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=952731;sa=showPosts;start=440
And what's stranger is that they don't actually start posting in that form until mid-2018: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=952731;sa=showPosts;start=640

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Overall, though, you'll find shitposts galore... it's possible that the account traded hands for a few months (posts are using different prose here (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=952731;sa=showPosts;start=500) vs here (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=952731;sa=showPosts;start=80))

While it's true the evidence is on the whole circumstantial, two identical patterns (double spacing and twin spelling mistakes) (with the potential of a third in the targeted posts in Reputation etc) are pointers to both having the same finger-print.

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OTOH,

Is it possible to say that savetheFORUM (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2773722) (activity eleven) and truth or dare (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2758665) activity 42/174 are alts of each-other and/or alts of Thule simply because of their fingerprints being line double spacing, targeted posts in Reputation etc and their similar UID creation dates 20 days apart?


If Thule really is an alt of banned user lovesybitz u=952731 then these questions need to be addressed.

I guess... but those are prose characteristics with a large breadth of usage. Most shitposters do the whole double-spacing posting style to make it look like their post has more substance to pad it out and it's probable that the likelihood thereof increases inversely with native English proficiency.

Anything is possible but I highly doubt the two are intertwined. You will see plenty of new accounts appear in Reputation thus the UID remark is of no significant substance. Moreover, 20 days is a fairly long duration (though again, it doesn't really matter).

If you want to do further post analysis (bear in mind it's going to be a very high ratio) then you could probably find more links. In general, though, think about what you accomplish:

It may warrant a ban. Okay: in this scenario, another account is created and we have wasted our time.
If the account holder is not of the same cryptographic identity then again we have wasted our time. Worse yet, preemptive stigmatization and false accusations skew the true number of cryptographic identities arguing against any given issue.

I'm not going to dwell on this issue too much for the time being, however, I did have a look at the individual word usages and noticed something.

Here's what I found:  https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2544574.msg53986004#msg53986004 [Archive [1a (https://archive.vn/JSwOI#selection-9639.0-9693.3)], [1b (https://web.archive.org/web/20200308064055/https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2544574.msg53986004%23msg53986004)]]

You are the biggest idiot on earth.Seriously who is going to take you faggot any serious ?

You just posted as negative feedback 3 months ago i'm a confirmed alt of Quickseller because my account was created july 15 2014 and quicksellers july 22 2014.

How many times have you claimed of me being an confirmed alt of other people before ?Heh ?


You dumbass at least get some grey cells


Confirmed alt of, or suspected shill/sockpuppet of quickseller (whom I do not trust).
Thule creation date 15 July 2014, 01:35:37 / quickseller creation date: 22 July 2014, 15:51:40

Negative trust in a time were i didn't participated for several months.
You are clearly one of the bigger idiots on this forum.

That's the best you can do?  Got your attention have I?

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The feedback in question is Neutral.

https://talkimg.com/images/2023/05/16/blob245d17907f6c3ca2.jpeg

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I provide references to my trust feed-backs, unlike your lashing out negatives.

https://talkimg.com/images/2023/05/16/blob56784192499c8b4f.jpeg

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You're just lashing out at others who aren't giving you the attention you feel you deserve.

You already proofed in the past what a moron you are.How many times have you already accused me being an alt of somebody else ?
At least 5 diffrent people already.
And each time you claim it's confirmed.


How can i be the alt of 5 diffrent persons at the same time you moron ?


At least stick to one claim

Archived for future reference: [1a (https://archive.vn/hLUnY#selection-617.12-617.19)], [1b (https://web.archive.org/web/20200308174516/https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5106712.msg53989557%23msg53989557)]


The word is
your spelling mistakes are your downfall.

Ohh you added me 1 negative out of my 50

Yes that got my full attention after 3 months.


You moron let other people see what a moron you are and your conclusions why i am an alt of xyz.Each time a big laugh seeing how dumb your grey cells are working

Add as many negative trust as you want

I can beat you on that point too - I still have 111 trust feedbacks (including yours just now)

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But who are the five users you think I say are yours?