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Just what the title says. Lay it all out. Keep that shit out of Meta.

Reserved.

I'll begin:
I hate Lauda. Do we really want Lauda in DT?

Welcome to the first edition of DT Battle Royale!

Absolutely not but we're forced to live with this dreadfully unjust system.

If only there was a way to do something about those DT members that nobody seems to want. Some sort of ignore or exclusion option. Let's petition theymos to implement it.

I don't hate any DT1 or other members. That's why my exclusion list is empty till now(not sure about future). May be sometimes I don't agree with others DT members but it doesn't mean I hate them. It's true I don't love to all, even many peoples exclude me I didn't exclude them retaliatory. I know few DT2 members also exclude me, I can easily exclude them and perhaps they would loss DT2 power. But still now I did not exclude them. If I exclude them now, it will be consider retaliatory exclusion. I really don't like attack each other between DT members.

However, if anyone have any specific problem with DT member the it will be fair to discuses here. Its not good practice to spread negativity all over forum by spam. If single DT member corrupted it doesn't mean all DT system is corrupted. Every problem has solution, so come to the solution instead of argument and it will be wise work.

By the way, congrats... all new DT members :), hope everyone will help forum to keep clean.  

We just got rid of the last " Merit broke my life (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2854290.0)" trend, only for to start a new "DT's broke my life".
Why all the drama?

I hate no-one, but if there ever were a DT1-member who dislikes cats... >:(
https://i.pinimg.com/originals/0f/92/f3/0f92f3de4250a16e87c25c31cfa72cfa.jpg

I don't hate any of the DT members, but i do hate non moderated abused stuff.
DefaultTrust and Merit.
People giving their asses for merit or for DefaultTrust status.
Not to mention that most of the merit circle in thru few people, and most of the DT members abuse their powers.
Every single keyboard warrior becoming  semi virtual god with "virtual" powers.
The idea of DefaultTrust is also super retarded and useless consider all internet trades should be done via escrow service.
The escrow provider should not be trusted because of his DefaultTrust status but positive vouches and proof of previous successful service.

Because some people hate politics, hate arguing for hours, hate to justify themselves and don't want to belong to a crew...

I hate all the hate.  

With all the personalities on this forum we're bound to have a lot of disagreements, and even more drama.  That's to be expected.  The hate and vicious lies are another thing all together.

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I too love all the drama threads going on reputation and Meta sections against the new DT system. ;D

Expecting this thread to be more fun to read.

That took a year, this will take another year.
And a year from now theymos will come up with something new for his ant farm us.

I rarely reply to those topics in meta, reputation and Scam Accusations sections but I've always checked updates and I enjoyed reading drama's as well.

Why we hate DT's? I don't personally hate them because they are very helpful in catching shady activities and etc.
I considered them as police on this community, without them I don't know what will happen into this forum.

But, not all police action is lawful, I think that's the reason theymos implemented a new rule in DT's system.

So, I don't hate Dt's member, instead, I do respect them. ;)

I don't hate Lada or Orcnasty.
I pity them.

>Lada

https://i.imgur.com/KXDJbAe.png

I think if anybody develops any sort of hate feelings towards imaginary/anonymous people on the internet should get a brain check ASAP before things get worse.

 

As usual, I disagree. I like Lauda the same way I liked the Joker in Batman. He’s comic relief in the form of a villain. That being said, I wouldn’t trust the Joker to take over for Commissioner Gordon.

i love you lauda,i will miss you.

Hate is such a big world although, I don't just agree with some of their feedbacks but again the trust system isn't moderated so one may say you're free to not trust another user for any reason but for me if it isn't a trust related issue it isn't worth the RED TAG.

For protection, I can't leave names of those I disagree with before I end up on their blacklist. When it comes to the trust system, we aren't there yet but OK is a good word to describe it.

This kind of behaviour is something we need to fight in here: you disagree with someone, it is your right to do so, you shoudnt be afraid to publicly expose your thoughts because you would get on a "blacklist". This has nothing to do with trust/distrust, this is your freedom to speech, stand up for it.

I don't know what the context of a "blacklist" here is. Trust list exclusions? If so, then that is just backwards. People should be willing to accept exclusions as it is every user's right to exclude someone else i.e. they should not be afraid of getting excluded. Besides, it's not that uncommon for exclusions to be lifted.

I don't hate anyone here but I have to say that I don't like when people talk about other forum member actions but refuse to talk about their own actions https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5095156.msg49514571#msg49514571.

Just FYI, I don't endorse leaving anyone a neg because of a differing opinion and I don't think I've ever left one out of sheer anger, politics, or just a disagreement.  I've left a lot of feedback, though and it would take me forever to review it all.  If anyone has a gripe with a red trust I've left, PM me or list it here or whatever.  I'll review it.

The only reason I've excluded OgNasty is to make it a mutual exclusion.  I don't know him personally and don't even necessarily distrust him.  He started this silly feud by excluding me from his trust list and thus getting me booted off DT2 last year.  That made a lot of account sellers do a little dance, and Og has given different stories about why he did this.  I also suspect there's collusion on his and QS's side of the fence which includes Tomatocage and zazarb, whom I've done nothing to. 

This shit is just beginning to annoy me.  What it boils down to is me being loyal to those who supported me on this forum early on (which also includes Vod and people who left me positive trust and encouraged me in 2016 to keep fighting against account sales). 

I have friends in the real world who've done bad things in their life, and I've worked with people professionally who've done horrible things.  Just because I encourage such people in doing good acts (and discouraging the bad stuff) doesn't mean I support any shenanigans.  Having said that, I don't fully understand the scam accusations against either Lauda or OgNasty from a technical perspective.  The extortion episode I've always seen as a sting operation and I haven't looked at what evidence there was in about two years, i.e., I don't remember the details of it.  If there's hard evidence that their intent was to actually extort zeroxal, point me to it.

I have to partially agree with you on Not leaving negative feedback on a person out of retaliation for something they have said about you on the forum. I have been very Vocal about you abusing the trust system in the past with No neg from you. But you have still abused the DT rating in the past Tagging Non-English speaking people I see that as out of Anger of Foreigners and clear abuse.

You literally have Hundreds of Abuse negative feedbacks in your history and you want a person to PM you with a single Abuse? How about you do the Responsible thing as a TRUSTED DT member and you clean up your own Abuse?

P.S. you are Excluded in my trust settings because of your past blatant abusive feedbacks.

Yes, I was doing that before the merit system came into existence, and yes I did indeed criticize shitposters with no command of the language trying to post in the English sections and thereby making them unreadable.  I don't regret any of that, because it was far different pre-merit system.  Those feedbacks should all be gone, because I was asked to remove them when I got put on DT last year and I don't leave trust like that anymore, nor do I even criticize people for their horrible English much, because the merit system sorts all of that out naturally. 

All of those feedbacks were a poor use of the trust system, and I've admitted that.  They were left out of pure frustration at how bad the forum had deteriorated, and there were no tools at the time to deal with it--but now there is, and I'm a lot less frustrated.  And yes, it's easier if someone has a problem with a trust I've left to contact me but I'll see what I can do about reviewing the trust I've left.  Contrary to what you might think, I'm not unapproachable.

You have changed your Ratings for the better NO doubt about it at all but you destroyed so many accounts out of Rage and i witnessed those people begging to have the Neg removed as you and some others just shrugged it off and laughed.

You say your going to look into your past Negs and remove the Abusive ones?

You should get to work you have A LOT of work to do.

Nope he wont remove the past negs he had,because his gang wont allow it,merit abuse doesnt exist,alt accounts are allowed but you see? most of the cases with alts account caught are negged,even if they arent abusing any bounties nor campaigns whatsoever..unluckly people are more aware that this guy wont change the way he runs things here,ThePharmacist has his own rules of tagging so badluck for most of the fellow member here  :-\

And I still believe there are people who shouldn't be getting paid to spam this forum with nonsense.  I didn't destroy any accounts or any lives by giving anyone a red trust based on how bad their posts were.  That's just nonsense--members who think bitcointalk is a place to come to work by posting garbage like this ought to be banned, never mind given trust (though as I said, I wouldn't leave a neg on them these days):


Yes, I did become hardened to the begging and whining and also to their sense of entitlement and lack of insight into how they were continuing to wreck an awesome forum.  Should I have treated these people with....forgiveness and understanding?  Hell no!  They're the ones who were making the forum much worse for the rest of us. 

As I said, I think I removed all of those trusts based on post quality.  There were some I missed since last year, and I've been contacted here and there and I've continued to remove those.  Even if there were any left, I'm pretty sure those members have either abandoned those accounts or otherwise continued on with the red trust.  It was only a small window of a couple of months that actmyname and I were tagging shitposters, which was November 2017-January 2018 (IIRC), right before the merit system was created.  Those are all old news now anyway, but I will take a look.

I decided that I hate all of the DT1 members. Here is my new trust list.  :-*


Disclaimer: I'm joking. Do not duplicate!

You just fixed the DT system LOL G/j

All fixed!  ;D



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You keep repeating this lie across multiple threads.  Not only have I removed tons of feedback I've left for shitposters in 2017-18, but I've also removed negs I've left by account sellers if they've shown themselves to be otherwise trustworthy--you just don't see that, because you don't see the PMs I get, and Lauda (or anyone else) doesn't have any involvement with that whatsoever.  This whole "the gang won't allow it" is nonsense.

I'm curious as to whether you think all of this is some sort of coordinated action, because by your words that seems to be the case.  I imagine that you imagine I'm in regular contact with other DT members as to how to leave feedback and such.  That's not the case.  I did use a suggested trust list from Lauda from waaay back, but I've modified it quite a bit since then.  Lauda is an opinionated little cat, but DT members are free to disagree with one another--and we do, even within this cult thing that formed. 

Hell, I was a member of Jet Cash's Merit Talk chat board, which was all off-forum and all about merit and trust matters, and we usually just chatted about other stuff.  Vod and some others were a part of it, and nobody was really discussing specific members that I recall, and there certainly wasn't a conspiracy.  Stop repeating your line about the gang not allowing stuff, I implore you.  It isn't true.

So my red would get remove if i pm you? because it doesnt seems to be violating any of the forum's TOS,give me a break how did you exclude somebody which you arent sure if he is trusted or not by just not knowing him personally? thats a real stupidity sorry for the word but it is,and that last year exclusions should have based because you are outcast from the DT because of the tagging shitposters which doesnt meet theymos' standards thats why you were excluded.,and that exclusion of OgNasty is clearly retaliatory feedback.

i will repeat my words whenever,wherever i wanted to because i am eager to open people's eyes to abusers like your gang.Thats creepy that you did use Lauda's trustlist waywwwwwback but you didnt receive red tag like mine? which says conspiring to others by supporting other's trustlist.Your gang should think what if most of the people here hates your shitty asses and theymos noticed it ? are you sure you are going to be in your position for too long?

No way,i checked your red and its clearly didnt violate anything..multiple accounts are allowed here,you didnt abuse any bounty but hell yeah there is theparmacist whom tagged your alts because of his standards doesnt meet forum's standards and i pitty users like you...really liked the word ABUSER here.

Didnt he get tagged because merit to his alts tho? I would agree with such tag eventually is proven tho and if I understood reference link he self-admitted?

I find it pretty funny that this ac2 guy keeps insisting the "Gang" keeps growing... ::)

I don't even know foxpup myself, as he must be on DT2.

Maybe you could try send him a pm with your issues , as I don't think it's worthy of red trust either? 🤷‍♂️

IOTW - Complain less, do more. ✌

Edit - This applies to you as well, creampie. 😂

May I remind you that scamming isn't even against the rules here, yet nobody has a problem with them getting tagged.  There's a big difference between the written rules and what the community tolerates, and since you've done nothing that would change my mind about your feedback, it's going to stay right where it is.

That's not feedback at all, you twitching fool.  Your feedback on me is an example of retaliatory feedback.

I just like that suchmoon starts a thread in reputation.
Then I know it's gonna be like kettle corn drama .
I'm waiting for that cryptohunter character to show up....

@The_Pharmacist, I got no issue with your feedbacks that's why you're included in my trust list.

@Gunthar I'm not scared of getting distrusted, I haven't even left that much of a impacting feedbacks to be distrusted. Still new to the trust systems and I'm taking my time to understand.

About speaking out, isn't that what I'm doing? I choose not to mention names unless it's really necessary. When elephants are fighting as an Ant it's best advice to stay on the sidelines and observe not jumping right into such a fight. That's exactly what I'm doing. When the time is right I'll jump in. For now just like the Ant don't think anyone will take me seriously for what I have to say. I'm still new to the system.

Reading their feedbacks you'll discover they're letting their emotions get the best of them so what I was saying is, I'm trying to stay safe who knows I might anger them then they leave a negative feedback of wrong quoting or not starting my sentence with capital letters  ;D ;D
Anyways the trust system is improving and we'll get there someday.

I wouldn't say I hate OgNasty but I do believe he shouldn't be in DT so I'm glad to see him with -1 again:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;dtview

Not sure who excluded him (or removed an inclusion perhaps) but it feels like balance has been restored to the Universe. However I'd like to encourage other DT1 members to review OgNasty's trust list and include any DT2 members that you consider worthy.

I trust 0gNasty unlike some others on the DT list. 0gNasy had a good trade reputation which is what the DT was meant for. I would trust him with $$ unlike MANY many of the DT list users that are on that list with ZERO trade rep. Fuck you if you don't like that answer.

I have no problem with that statement, and I'd probably agree with you not only about trading with OgNasty but with members like TECSHARE as well.  That's why I haven't negged either one, which is what the red trust represents.  The inclusion/exclusion thing is where the politics comes into play and I do believe that's where Theymos wants to keep it, unless I've read it wrong.

I didn't check, but I don't think there are many DT1 members who have absolutely no trading history here.  There might be a few, but even I have some feedback from trades.  Good luck finding where they are among all the retaliatory negs I've gotten, but they're there.  I'd be less inclined to do trades with some of the newer members on DT1, but all in all the list looks pretty solid right now.

I wouldn't trust 98% of the DT members with a single $.   Almost all of them have ZERO trades,Sales or anything to do with Money. The trust system was invented for this very thing.  This is why almost all DT members have zero credibility with me.  0gNasty as well as myself have done Numerous Deals,Sales,Buys on BCT   Money Talks....Tagging Shit posters,Spammers Etc. might indicate you have the right Mindset but lets be honest tagging a spammer doesn't make me want to trust you with my hard earned $.

Lesson learned?  You and most of the DT group wiill never be trusted with a single $ of mine.....That includes theymos.  Mr. I'll rape the forum for it's cash.

OgNasty's exclusion doesn't prevent him from trading. It excludes his ratings from the default score and moves them down on on person's trust page, which is appropriate seeing how worthless many of his ratings are due to his extremely fragile ego.

And after looking over your "Trust" i and seeing no trades,sales or purchases i say who the fuck are you to judge him ? He has done more business dealings in one day than you have done in your entire existence on BCT.

You are basing trust on your perception of his ego??

You for real?

I agree but he has been acting very childish lately. No idea what happened but his current behaviour doesn't suit DT1 imo.

So maybe you should RED tag him? is that what your saying?   He Doesn't meet your expectations so lets Red tag him? Remove him from DT? what are you saying?

And for the record.... I see your long standing Deals on BCT and i respect your trust.

Go attack theymos then:

theymos is a spineless coward. His only goal is to rape the forum for $$.....And yes just like now i have attacked him before.

My ratings aren’t worthless nor is my ego fragile. Your continued attempts to control the narrative with nonsense is noticed. People can review my trust ratings themselves and see they are of value. Don’t pretend that my exclusion is about anything other than retaliation for prior exclusions while I was tasked with being one of only a few DT members willing to risk being publicly unpopular for the accuracy of the trust network. In fact, I’m now being crucified by those whom I excluded for not being able to accurately judge the value of trust ratings. Had I cared about my ego, I would have put myself before the forum and acted in a way that wouldn’t have made unstable users want to enact revenge, as they are doing now.

You can say I’m an idiot for donating so much of my time and money to a community project. You can say I’m a fool for risking my reputation as the most trusted user here in order to maintain a reasonably honest DT network and not empower known extortionists. You saying my ratings aren’t valuable though? That is nonsense. More likely you are blinded by politics and acting irrationally out of emotion.

I trust you 100% more than 99.9% of these pukes on the DT list

I doubt that there is any DT member who don't trust Og with their funds , i am almost certain that  by now almost everybody knows that he is a very-very trustworthy person, no-doubt , i personally know this without having to hear it from anybody else.

just because other members exclude him, it does not mean they don't trust him. they just have a problem with his feedbacks and/or they have some personal shit going on , same thing goes to those that he exudes.

i still want to see him on DT to be honest, while his rating are not 100% accurate,and many are based on non-trust related matters ( just like many other DT members) i think he has tagged a good amount of scammers and there are chances that those are not tagged by others - therefore, they now have clean profiles again. ( not aware of any specific members, but the possibility is there)

removing anyone from DT in many cases bring more harm than good based on the previous theory , i still believe the best thing to sort this shit out is by keeping the trust system emotionless  and focusing only on protecting the forum from scammers rather than expressing personal views.

I simply never understood  why all of you fight one another.

I excluded  almost everyone from my list due to being attacked for jacking  my score up   and have been off DT1 list for a while.

I don't like getting dragged into  these arguements.

Over time  I have exchanged many pm's with

Lauda
suchmoon
OgNasty

and I actually get along with the three of you fairly well.

But you guys or girls or cats  fight hard against each other.

I don't know much about thepharmicist, but he seems to have a fan club and a hate club.

And here I am  writing on a thread  that is bound to get me going again.

oh I added

OgNasty
suchmoon
sidehack
frodocooper
Lauda

 to my list the last  few days

of course I now jump back up to 671 trust number  vs 221

but I am moody so  why not

I can always pull them off.

lets see how long before  I get screwed with.

People who "Trust" him would not remove him from their trust based on "Feelings"

Base his trust on FACTS
He is genuinely trusted by any person exchanging $ that is what trust is all about.....I don't give a fuck if he is having a bad day and says some shit on a post.....If i buy or sell something from/to him him do i have to be worried about getting robbed? NOPE....Thats trust

It's about being right or wrong...  Don't be a pussy your trust is outstanding. Stand up for whats right. would you trust Ognasty with a $ knowing he has a great full history of trades or would you trust Lauda with your $ knowing she has never made a trade deal in her entire history with BCT?   Lauda has a higher Rating than Ognasty LOL                       

Hey I like pussy  but that is not the point.  I have been given a lot of grief  over trust.

 Lauda used to bust a lot of assholes and scammers.

OgNasty  has done a lot of good trades  but he has freaked over a few guys escrows.

Suchmoon  has been really solid support to me when I was threatened by GAW-zen miners Josh G  years ago.

So all three people have helped me.

now  I have a mailing contact to OgNasty
I don't for Lauda.
I don't for Suchmoon.

One of the reasons I dropped almost  everyone off my list  was I don't know:

 real names phone number and addresses

makes it harder to trust if I can't get to them.

most people on the list I had  I good contact for real.

Maybe  trust  should have real name KYC  or not be there at all.

Kind of why  I don't like writing on these threads.

Lauda has never done a deal via Bitcointalk?  :D Lauda offers escrow services among other things.  ::) Perhaps you should do a bit more research before typing nonsense. You do realize that P2P trades aren't the only economic activity going on within this forum. Correct?

ognastys ratings are 100% accurate


stop making this about scammers
scammers are stupid and so is everyone stupid enough to be fooled by stupid scammers


this is about the future of bitcointalk
is this a free society to speak as we please or is this a society that throws away all freedoms to protect fools from petty scammers ?


most of you you 3rd world fucks dont understand the concepts of freedom and liberty but guess what
bitcoin is made by satoshi for freedom and liberty as its main purpose


anyone that values security from petty scams over the freedom and liberty of the people of this earth are the tyrant trash bitcoin was given to us to overthrow


1000 account sellers are not worth a single censored user
all the money in this world is not worth the oppression of dictators


dt of this forum has lost touch with the goal of cryptocurrency and its far past time to do something about it


whose side are you on ?
are you on the righteous free people of this earths ability to decide their own fate or the side of authoritarian controllers to decide their fate for them ?


if you are some sort of socialist looking out for all the stupid people against petty scams at the expense of the freedom of all individuals go fuck a goat

sorry Phillip im in Ma. too North Adams near the VT. line. i just don't agree with you.

I wouldn't trust Lauda with a single $ of my money. but yet she is stiill on my trusted list why?

fuck off please with your non-sense.

There is a remedy for that. Go into your trust settings and type the following;
You can distrust anyone else you think doesn't have valuable input either. Also, you can add whoever you like by just typing in their username. Very simple. If you are confident enough in your list and feel it will keep you safe, then remove DefaultTrust from your list.

I am pretty sure they know these things already, the are probably  alts of some old members, look at their profile, most of them are newbies who don't even have 10 merit, why would a newbie care this much about DT bullshit?

because ""scambusters""


""busting"" petty scams is more trustworthy than the political direction of cryptocurrency
they are throwing away the main goal of satoshi in favor of the temporary safety of idiots at the expence of essential liberty for all


laudas thousands of ratings are only copies of others anyway
hundreds a day to catch up and be the top red trust sender (must i produce a quote ?)

I think that’s a bit of a misconception. I’ve actually helped quite a few escrow agents here. I’ve directed users looking for escrow to minerjones, Blazed, krogomanhattan, and you philipma. If you think my warnings about scam escrows are freaking out, I urge you to invest in the next ICO Lauda escrows for.  ;)

You’ll be a great addition to the DefaultTrust network. I have no doubt.

fuck safety



no shit Sherlock
possibly you should take heed in our warnings


we fight to be free from tyrants
petty scammers are the least of our worries compared to tyrannical dictators

I would never leave negative trust simply for disagreeing with him, neither would I disrecommend anyone to use him as escrow.

A lot really good .

A few I thought were not good.

Say at least 100 good but 2 maybe 3 I thought you were wrong.

But wtf do I know?

Not much if I did I would not have posted on this thread .

Trust list is really hard to create correctly.
One of the reasons I dropped so many off  my list is I did not think I could do it well enough.

Which is absolute nonsense; yet more lies being spread by a random alt and then they complain that they get tagged for untrustworthy behavior. Their lack of knowledge is why they are unable to do trades without damaging their own privacy.

This is actually what I've observed with quite a few people. The rational decision solely for the individual is to not do anything, i.e. it's not worth getting involved for them. I wouldn't either; being out of DT is simpler/easier/better if one already isn't tagging abusers anyways IMO.

He already did. It didn't go as well as he hoped:

That's the politics/power-part that I hate most about the current DT-system. On the one hand it means DT doesn't just accept things from other DTs, on the other hand it now means some of the biggest names on the forum are fighting each other. I do believe the forum and Bitcoin ecosystem would be better off following theymos' advice:

Adding people to your trust list heavily changes it from DT-view (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=64507;dt). You're currently at 128: -0 / +13.

Interesting approach. I don't know nor care about real names or addresses, and I'm certainly not willing to provide mine.

Last time I checked we don't live in an Utopia, do we? From what I've seen, most of the time when such advice was followed around here it turned out to be mistake. Although this mostly has applied to randoms and people that are very-shady like Quickscammer.

It's very difficult to trust real people you know and see everyday IRL, not to talk about the anonymous users in a forum full of scammers (even trusted ones like TF and Magicaltux).
Basically trust is not the most accurate word to describe the situation with the trust lists we (the DTs) are into . It's more like to agree with the perception and the reaction in different situations of the user, as you don't have other overview except his participation in the forum.
I don't think there can be real trust here in the forum involved in the trust lists.

The trust feedback is another thing,  a bit more acceptable as you risk some amount based on trust and you can confirm or reject users's trustfulness based on your deals.

Lies equal untrustworthy behaviour that deserve red tags you say lauda. Shame that none of the other DT members agree with you and actually believe proven liars deserve to be on DT.

I had excluded you long before any of this drama and before you excluded me so I'm not the one pretending and pushing a narrative here. I have also spoken out against your petty ratings well before all this. You're just too stubborn to admit that neg-trusting someone for posting in your thread or criticizing you was a mistake.

"Most trusted user" is not a title you bestow upon yourself, it's something that should be left for others to decide. This shameless tooting of your own horn is just one more reason to not trust your judgement.

According to the Bitcointalk Public Information Project Minerjones is the most trusted user: https://bpip.org/report.aspx?r=mosttrusted

theres no such thing as "lies" if there are proofs from most of the people that you are a liar and proven extorionist  ::)

Did you just give away a whole bunch of info about where Philipma1957 lives? 

If all three of us are New Englanders, why is it you write like you're from nowhere the English language is ever spoken?  Just curious.  Maybe we should all get together and have a hug-out or something.

Make that 4 of us; I'll be there!

Also, I think he was just trying to make a guess based on the name, which isn't even close.

I disagree with your approach to exclude OG, or anyone based on the sole-fact that they've excluded you, but this is a conversation that has been done to death and it isn't unreasonable to distrust their network once they've distrusted you.

I read through the thread briefly and I have found that most of the accusations leveled against Lauda, OGNasty and crew(s) are either too petty to pretend to care or too complicated for me to wrap my head around. The outcome is that both Lauda, OGNasty and even probably a few people that personally dislike me are on my trust-list, because I see them as making the community better.

It's sad to see users like philipma being accused of inflating their own trust, as if that would have any impact, when they are already in the "hall of fame" in terms of the most trusted users. Anybody would be foolish not to trust them. I see these kinds of accusations as malicious and having ulterior motives.

I’m aware. Your agenda towards me was clear from day 1.

I didn’t give myself the most trusted user title. I earned it over a period of many years of trustworthy behavior. It is a title I no longer hold (a known doxxer and enabling auction manipulator (https://imgur.com/EqGmnIu) has it now, which was celebrated by the same user who's auction manipulation he was enabling (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5095224.msg49143879#msg49143879)), but claiming I gave it to myself is just another pathetic attempt of yours to control the narrative while ignoring facts.

Most agree I am trustworthy and giving me a negative trust rating is not appropriate. Yet Lauda does it and nobody says a word. Nobody ever responded to my questions asking if Lauda’s continued abuse of rmcdermott927 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5103988.msg49605585#msg49605585) is acceptable, but that’s because they know it isn’t but turn a blind eye because standing up for what’s right gets you attacked for years as I have been...

I’m sorry, but you lose literally all credibility in my eyes defending someone like Lauda as they terrorize honest users with inappropriate feedback practices. I just can’t take anything you say seriously when you’re so willing to turn a blind eye at awful behavior, yet so willing to try and paint a picture of dishonesty where there is none.

Lol, we're all a salty bunch of nuts and have the worst drivers in all of the US (especially the Massholes), but apparently there's a lot of bitcoiners up here. 

Then that's one hell of an association based just on his username, one which I would not have made in a million years.  Makes me think ortkid knows more than he's letting on, and makes me even more curious as to whether he actually lives in NE.  It would explain the attitude.

I am a Native New Yorker

I live in Howell,NJ   more then  20 years

I have relatives in

NY
CT
NH

So northeaster is a better description for me.

Ah, interesting.  OK then, I'm wondering how in hell otrkid1970 put together your (incorrect, but close) location based on your username.  That's strange, very strange.

Haven't been through Joizy in years, and I don't miss all those toll booths off the turnpike--I used to drive to Philly to visit a friend of mine who was attending school at UPenn, and then he lived in NJ for a while.  Can't remember the town, but it was quite a few exits down off the turnpike.  That must've been 2004 or so, last time I was in NJ.

This is a much better feeling than ripping other DT members to shreds, IMO.  

I do agree with Lauda that sometimes burying the hatchet can backfire.  Rambotnic (not a DT member) just proved that to me, though I think there have been other examples where I wished I hadn't removed a neg or had negged someone I didn't.  On the other hand, I'm down with Theymos's request for de-escalation of squabbles, and I do think we can all coexist somewhat peacefully here, even with major disagreements.  They flare up and die down and have done so for years.  If we can keep it in the sub-smouldering stage, that would be a major victory--and an achievable one at that.

Edit:
A'ight, you got me there even though I haven't partaken in their fare in quite some time.  I'm less sure about your attack on my IQ, but you're free to believe what you wish.

Cry more retard.
All of you tagged me because i wanted money to help a person ? :D
Even that i ask the money after the "job".
Well done mr moralist who don't go after all the illegal stuff going around.
You are to stupid and blind american brain washed McDonalds fan to understand the world after your keyboard.
We both know how "smart" you were before google.
Keep trying to wash your hands with your under the average iq.

We all know how retards like you, lauda, tman and owlcatz running this forum.
Let's take a look how i were silenced in first place by TMAN ruining my feedback for nothing saying "I don't trust this person" just because i exposed owlcatz retarded behavior after loosing a free giveaway.
Of course as his proud gender shemale girlfriend, owlcatz tagged me for the same reason.
Not to mention the drug addict and highly abusive virtual keyboard Lauda just waited to do the same.
Sadly i didn't expect you as very big google fan who like to read things that do not understand to not realize few things.
Things that's not your business.
Things that cannot harm anyone but only help.
You can try to twist my words, that doesn't make it true, only your gaylord company of abusers will support your manipulation.
If i were what you saying, i would just spend 80$ and buy account to continue whatever i wanted to do.
Even that 80$ account would be much better than mine, but hey, don't worry about, you will grow up someday to understand what i mean.

Go New England....Just not the Pats.

He had an ad in the Goods section in the past. Claimed he he lived in in Ma.

Lol, how do you live with yourself if you're in NE?  You must not be a native, else you'd be lynched in the streets for such treason. 

Lived in NE my entire life. Fuck Boston and those NE patriots.  Go STEELERS

Rewriting history again, aren't we? I actually supported you in the Betcoin debacle. It was somewhere between eoakland and owlcatz conflicts that I realized how petty and thin-skinned you are, and how you're using the trust system to adjudicate your personal squabbles. Particularly with owlz, whom ironically I had some verbal confrontation with, and look - NO RED TRUST ENSUED. Weird, huh? It's almost as if rational people can resolve issues or something.


How about you being buddies with a known escrow scammer then? Does that affect your credibility at all? Or does that only apply to people you don't like?

BTW I've had quite a few disagreements with your "enemies" (Lauda, TMAN, ...) and the major difference between them and you is that I can reason with them and when we end up disagreeing I can at least understand their reasoning. But nice try spinning this into yet another Lauda thing. Two wrongs don't make it right and all that. Careful with those rocks and your glass house. It's a shame that you still don't own a mirror.

I'm really not sure why Og....someone that claims to protect the "Community" merits known scammers and pals around with QS, but whatever. 🤦‍♂️

@ OG I have deleted most of my trust ratings to you.... . Kindly do the same thanks and please.

Read:

Just because you disagree with QS's posts doesn't mean they can't be high quality. Merit != Trust.

I think he is referring to OG meriting this topic: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5103988.0. That post encourages people to use a trust list, filled with known scammers and toxic people. Apparently his childish feud with Lauda weighs heavier than "protecting the community".

https://i.imgur.com/2eWgvZb.png

Known scammers like who? you mean proven scammers?

List them with the proof.

Also keep in mind lauda is a proven liar and proven protector and promoter of scams therefore equal to a scammer according to suchmoons reasoning and red trust allocation. Yet you have no issue supporting him. That's not even factoring in the escrow business and the probable extortion attempt.

Sorry, on mobile so I can't put a lot of effort into this now. Will make a more detailed post later. One example is that Defcon23 is on that list. He tried selling silver plated bars as actual .999 silver bars. He also self escrowed and threatened to dox people etc.

I am not going to discuss Lauda but he is already distrusted on that list right?

Okay. I see.

Yes but Lauda is on your own trust list and yet you are unwilling to discuss events that you know have proven him untrustworthy. So the entire thing is ludicrous. You can call him out for "meriting"  a post fighting for a fairer system (because the system they are advocating will not favour scammers it will actually make them easier to spot). When you are directly advocating and including in your trust list a PROVEN liar whom is implicated in many other shady dealings. We can analyze them in detail if you need further clarification. If you resist then you are willfully trying to assist untrustworthy persons into dangerous positions of trust.

There is  no other way to look at it. Unless you can explain?

This kind of argument it self defeating for all that voice it.

I rarely hate but I do dislike double standards.. Like when a certain someone calls me immoral for hiring my friends in signature campaigns (calling it circle-jerking) but as soon as they find themselves managing a campaign they hire their more or less inactive friend without that guy even having to apply. Always creating the narrative to fit their own agenda. Like when you say you can't count profits in BTC, you have to look at them in $. Yet later you are comparing talks in $ to be like Japanese. Hmm.

Not naming names, although it's quite obvious who I'm referring to. Just had to vent a bit.

I can see that you must be referring to supporters of lauda since that would seem to be the most fitting explanation
for what you describe here

double standards are very destructive here

Known scammers? did i scam someone? you fucking retarded.Your fucking cult is abusing the trust system but hey,your time will come.
Thats clearly a big statement calling those people in the thread known scammers,ill say just fuck off.

I rarely come to this side of the forum and it's generally because of this.  I'll give my 2 cents if anyone cares, to me trust is squarely built to help guide of who to trust and not to trust when transferring coin from one person to another and trying to keep things as safe as possible (maybe other people use it for other reasons but that's what I look at it for).  Clearly DT in its state is broken so I dont use it at all.  I used to give trust ratings based on my trade experience but I rarely do anymore because well I dont use it.  Here's my stance, if I've traded with you before and generally trust you I will probably send coin back and forth without escrow.  If I dont know you and never traded with you and I'm not comfortable exposing myself with the size of the trade....USE ESCROW. always.  I always encourage people to use escrow if they want with me, it's not offensive, that's how we can keep this forum working without going off the rails.  I've done trades with people that were "red" and "green" and newbies on their first post...all done properly it always goes smooth.

If people leave me negative feedback, ok fine.  Not everyone IRL have 100% liked me why would I expect that to be different here.  Read it, if it's relevant change what you've done, if not move on.  Who cares?  

I dont know just seems like a lot of time is spent internet fighting that could be spent elsewhere.  I have never made a custom trust list because I feel I dont need to.  Either I trust you, I dont or I dont know you.  Use escrow based on that and I'm good.  

DT will never be perfect because personalities will get in the way as with any subjective system in life.  DT seems broke, has there been any better ideas to fix it?

Edit: I've met phillipma IRL and the dude has gone WAYYY out of his way to help me out multiple times.  That is one of the most legit members on this forum definately

I hate marlboroza (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5108783.0) and KWH (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5108406.0) for leaving us short-staffed in this scammer infestation. Technically this is off topic because marlboroza is no longer in DT1 and KWH was not in it (I think) but the thread is unmoderated so who cares.

Although if you come back I'll forgive you in a heartbeat. Please.

Yeah, I don't know what's up with marlboroza not wanting to be on DT, and if KWH isn't on DT it's probably something that ought to be discussed.  He hasn't been as active lately as he used to be, but he's one of the good guys from what I've seen of his posts.  

I'm very curious as to why marlboroza wants out, but I'm not sure if we'll get an explanation.  Meanwhile, squeals of joy can be heard coming from the general direction of the troll's den, and the sound is sickening.  

Nice to hear wheelz weigh in on this, and I don't disagree with him about imperfect the trust system is--but it's better than nothing and at least you'd have a good idea of how trustworthy wheelz is because of it.  Were there no system, he'd have no documented reputation, which would suck for him and would benefit scammers exclusively.  

Edit: thanks, suchmoon.  Guess I missed that thread entirely--but it doesn't surprise me that he left, and he's not the only one driven away by the constant drama.  Probably won't be the last, either.

See here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5108406.0

I hate that I can't figure out what kind of animal is in owlcatz's avatar.  I have come to the conclusion it's neither an owl nor a cat, but what is it?  A skunk, raccoon, badger?  I don't fucking know, and it's just killing me.

it's called an owlcatz. ;D

That's not for me to speculate. I respect his decision and strongly disagree with it.

I agree there is nothing better right now, and it is a benefit to have a system where users can post feedback I wasn't arguing that fact.  Just wish there was a better way to capture true feedback....but with subjective systems it's tough and by no means do I want It centralized so i default to escrow most of the time.

Another old thread bumped. First this  (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2790088.msg59920458#msg59920458)and now I am here. Is this some kind of team work or just a co-incidence from Congratulations Ratimov. and RajaDen? Although this one is a general thread and other one was against a specific user.

Bitcointalk become boring lately?