Bitcoin Forum

@thule. So much horseshit in your OP as always. The only abuse is us having to read your threads

It's embarrassing, you guys deserve full happy lives that don't around and old forum about a magic coin created by an anime character.

Now that same group (i guess suchmoon) digged into his history and found a plagiarism

@thule. So much horseshit in your OP as always. The only abuse is us having to read your threads

So since Bill Gator spoke against the abusive gang he got removed from the DT1 list by getting exluded of the abusiv group which has been proofed on another thread by showing who was adding him instantly into distrust after VOD's drama.
Now that same group (i guess suchmoon) digged into his history and found a plagiarism from before 2015.

Now that same group (i guess suchmoon) digged into his history and found a plagiarism from before 2015 for which he got banned.Of course they are now justifying with it the red tags they are giving and destroying that account.

What a bunch of nonsense.You are trying to enforce a rule which was at that date not activ.
Buying and selling accounts where in 2015 and before allowed and massivly practised even from most old DT1 members.
At that time noone gave a fuck about plagiarism.It can be found on any forum.And finding one post which got copy pasted years ago is enough to destroy a DT1 account into a scammer account is amazing.

And also i do not belive in coincidences.Its funny these coincidences of high ranked people getting banned always happen when speaking up against a specific group.

Suchmoon already proofed in the past to digg in peoples history deep even 5 years past to find anything to get somebody punished when having a dispute with him.

Now that same group (i guess suchmoon) digged into his history and found a plagiarism from before 2015 for which he got banned.Of course they are now justifying with it the red tags they are giving and destroying that account.

You're an adult arguing on a 10 year forum made for a magic coin. Do you have no respect for yourself?
This goes for those who you mentioned in the OP. Threads like these must stop. It's embarrassing, you guys deserve full happy lives that don't around and old forum about a magic coin created by an anime character.

Respect yourselves

1. nutildah was claiming in 2014 that all members selling their accounts are facilitating scammers and are evil. In 2016 he sold or tried to sell his account (knowingly facilitating scammers) Some say lauda bought that account and later announced it was no longer for sale. This is unknown. Either way recently Lauda who knows all about this nutildah debacle said there is nothing we can say that will cause him to red tag the nutildah account (who would want to tag their own alt) or such a loyal ass feltcher.

The one below us all...... IMO nutildah is one of the real awesome members, have had great talks with him, I couldn't say anything bad about thaaa dude!!!

:D

1. nutildah was claiming in 2014 that all members selling their accounts are facilitating scammers and are evil. In 2016 he sold or tried to sell his account (knowingly facilitating scammers) Some say lauda bought that account and later announced it was no longer for sale. This is unknown. Either way recently Lauda who knows all about this nutildah debacle said there is nothing we can say that will cause him to red tag the nutildah account (who would want to tag their own alt) or such a loyal ass feltcher.

The one below us all...... IMO nutildah is one of the real awesome members, have had great talks with him, I couldn't say anything bad about thaaa dude!!!

:D

as simple as a database query.

EPL: Man City vs Man Utd 3:1
EPL: Newcastle vs Bournemouth 1:1
La Liga: Sevilla vs Espanyol 1:0
La Liga: Levante vs Real Sociedad 1:0
Bundesliga: Dortmund vs Bayern 2:0
Serie A: Milan vs Juventus 0:1

EPL: Man City vs Man Utd 3:1
EPL: Newcastle vs Bournemouth 1:1
La Liga: Sevilla vs Espanyol 1:0
La Liga: Levante vs Real Sociedad 1:0
Bundesliga: Dortmund vs Bayern 2:0
Serie A: Milan vs Juventus 0:1

The above would remove any question of someone being targeted because of something they said or their stance in a dispute.

The one below us all...... IMO nutildah is one of the real awesome members, have had great talks with him, I couldn't say anything bad about thaaa dude!!!

:D

Now that same group (i guess suchmoon) digged into his history and found a plagiarism from before 2015 for which he got banned.

All of the recent cases are ~exactly like this, since this is what the bot looks for. (Thank you to the bot designer!)

Anyone getting his account destroyed now even DT1 for speaking up against them ?

The above would remove any question of someone being targeted because of something they said or their stance in a dispute.  

He is now going to have those tags and his sig is gone likely for a long time. Even worse now every thread he starts will show a THIS THREAD IS STARTED BY A SCAMMER (thanks theymos ffs a dreadful and disgraceful implementation without ensuring only scammers have red tags)

Warning: One or more bitcointalk.org users have reported that they strongly believe that the creator of this topic is a scammer. (Login to see the detailed trust ratings.) While the bitcointalk.org administration does not verify such claims, you should proceed with extreme caution.

You are wrong this time. Stop spinning this incident.

Bill Gator's copy and paste post got caught by a sweeping site-wide plagiarism bot. And then he made the fatal mistake of admitting he bought the account to say he didn't make the old post by the previous owner, how stupid. Thus all the old circumstantial evidence suddenly fits.

You are just as biased as the ones you are accusing of.

And also i do not belive in coincidences.Its funny these coincidences of high ranked people getting banned always happen when speaking up against a specific group.

Who knows what happens behind the scenes. Perhaps the issue would not have been reported at all if he was part of the "gang" who runs this bot and how it it filtered seems currently unknown.

Admin admitted there is Bot which is using for detect plagiarism. So it doesn't make sense to blame any specific users.

- lovesmayfamilies
- WhiteManWhite

This is part of why account trading is strongly discouraged. Usually we won't even consider this excuse, since only admins can properly investigate it, it takes too much time, it's often too ambiguous, and you really shouldn't be trading accounts anyway. But especially for very veteran members, we do occasionally look into these claims and reconsider the matter based on them. This isn't the first case like this: there are a surprising number of notable members who originally bought their accounts.

After looking at the logs, I find it likely that this story is true, so it wasn't him personally who did the plagiarism. Trading accounts is strongly discouraged, but not against the rules. Therefore, the ban is removed.

This action may be controversial, and now I'll probably have everyone appealing based on "I bought the account from my neighbor!" (Which I'll nearly always reject...) But even though it is largely bill gator's fault, I just find it on the whole too unfair to treat him as though he did something when I'm looking at evidence showing that he didn't.

2 more DT1s have been banned for plagiarism in the last week, they never said peep about anybody:

- lovesmayfamilies
- WhiteManWhite

The bot seems to be pretty agnostic about who it comes after. So far, well over a thousand members have been banned. Hard to say its selectively targeting people. Its more like a wave of mass extinction.

Sure, but if you look at who is excluding them, funny there seems to be quite a bit of overlap with those excluding Bill Gator.

-snip- created by an anime character.

So you're saying Foxpup is directing the plagiabot?

Of course they are now justifying with it the red tags they are giving and destroying that account.

After looking at the logs, I find it likely that this story is true, so it wasn't him personally who did the plagiarism. Trading accounts is strongly discouraged, but not against the rules. Therefore, the ban is removed.

< ... >

So you're saying Foxpup is directing the plagiabot?

I think bill gator investigation finished by theymos, now it's time to solve the rest (negative feedback)

This seems to be one of your favorite games, speaking for me. I will speak for myself thanks. I am saying what I said, not what you imagine I said.

It was a question, a "yes" or "no" one at that.

One of the two answers would have sufficed, but you managed to invent a new answer, which was "cunty."

So when did you stop beating your wife? I am just asking a question...

There is nothing to be solved. Account buyer = permanent negative.

bill, I feel like a right ass hole but Lauda messaged me ... about you. She told me I should remove you from my trust list. I really didn’t want to do it because I do like you (a lot).

For my own comfort & to make my life easier I did it. I don’t want to get on the wrong side of them.

I am really sorry & I feel a dick for doing it. I had to tell you myself though before you see it yourself.

I hope you can forgive me.

LFC

Nothing? Are we really going to pretend like Vod's feedback isn't blatant abuse?
Your words are so much more confident than your actions, but neither has integrity.

The amount of negative feedback I have received when virtually everyone is in agreement that I am not a scammer, nor had any intentions of doing so, is absurd.

Relevant PM I received :


I don't see you as someone that needs forgiveness. I see you as someone that is rightfully scared to have their reputation or account trashed and you are doing what you can to not be eaten alive for having your own opinion. This is a pattern of abuse and intimidation that goes far beyond yourself, but the problem is that there are too few people willing to actually hold anyone accountable.

I hope you can forgive me, for wishing you had more courage.

Nothing? Are we really going to pretend like Vod's feedback isn't blatant abuse?
Your words are so much more confident than your actions, but neither has integrity.

The amount of negative feedback I have received when virtually everyone is in agreement that I am not a scammer, nor had any intentions of doing so, is absurd.

Relevant PM I received :


I don't see you as someone that needs forgiveness. I see you as someone that is rightfully scared to have their reputation or account trashed and you are doing what you can to not be eaten alive for having your own opinion. This is a pattern of abuse and intimidation that goes far beyond yourself, but the problem is that there are too few people willing to actually hold anyone accountable.

I hope you can forgive me, for wishing you had more courage.

-snip-

LFC_Bitcoin: 8
    Trusted by:
      bill gator

Here's the thing: BG is an asshole for publishing the PM of a member that sent him a message in confidence. If he is allowed to continue in his sig campaign, which is what this is obviously all about, well that's just not right, given the standards of it set forth.

Note: PM privacy is not guaranteed. Encrypt sensitive messages.

You really don't see a difference between the note by theymos and the issue at hand?

That note is not from theymos. It is standard on all SMF forums.

I have long held that PMs not encrypted are fair game to be disclosed at the option of either party.

Looks like bill threw me to the dogs.

I thought you were going to get banned.

He seems very trustworthy now, doesn't he? He threw your trust away just to attempt a pathetic stab at me that didn't even work. That's how much you're worth to him. ::)

It's called PRIVATE message for a reason. Everybody knows that it is a dick move to publicly post PMs.

I feel quite down about this to be honest. I expected better, what an asshole :(

Don't blame Bill because you are spineless.

He abused my trust any way so removing him from my trust list is clearly vindicated.

Looks like bill threw me to the dogs. I like(d) him a lot & I did see him as trustworthy & a good guy.

It turns out he bought a farmed account & got himself into DT. I should have just gone with my head & not my heart when Lauda PM’d me.

I sent you that PM in confidence bill, I should have just ~ you for the account buying & not tried to explain that I was removing you in a friendly way.

Fuck it !!!!!

Hey fwiw I added you to my list a few days ago since you seem level-headed and have displayed good judgement plenty of times. I have no plans on removing you let alone exclude you so keep doing what you doing, the rest is just noise :).

It's called PRIVATE message for a reason. Everybody knows that it is a dick move to publicly post PMs.

Thanks Hhampuz, your support means a lot.
I should have just removed bill from my trust list - the facts were loud & clear - Account biyiny.

I’m too soft sometimes & I apologise to everybodt for that.

I’ll continue to do my best to be an important part of the community. I hope people forgive me for acting looe a coward. I’ve let everybody down.

Looks like bill threw me to the dogs. I like(d) him a lot & I did see him as trustworthy & a good guy.

It turns out he bought a farmed account & got himself into DT. I should have just gone with my head & not my heart when Lauda PM’d me.

I sent you that PM in confidence bill, I should have just ~ you for the account buying & not tried to explain that I was removing you in a friendly way.

Fuck it !!!!!

LFC, my intention here is not to drag you through the mud. I don't think you've done anything that a reasonable person wouldn't do in your position. My purpose for posting that; you are not the only one that feels scared. Far from it. Our DT should not be a tyranny held together by fear.

Many on this forum share your feelings. Let them be heard; you felt "scared", acted in a way you admit you did not want to, all because you didn't want to be on the bad side of "them". I'm not the one that made you feel like there is a "them", I'm not the one that made you scared. It's easy to snap at me publicly now though, isn't it?

All the scamming & distrusted accounts are out like flies around dog shit.

Are you surprised? There's always talks of "them" who are nasty people just out to ruin people yet I've never been treated as bad as the ones calling "them" out have treated me.

Blocking PM's and putting people on Ignore helps a lot, as some users suggested it to me, less noise = happier life :).

Thanks Hhampuz, your support means a lot.
I should have just removed bill from my trust list - the facts were loud & clear - Account buying.

I’m too soft sometimes & I apologise to everybodt for that.

I’ll continue to do my best to be an important part of the community. I hope people forgive me for acting looe a coward. I’ve let everybody down.

I've never been treated as bad as the ones calling "them" out have treated me.

Blocking PM's ... people on Ignore ... less noise = happier life :).

Yeah, being insulted & ridiculed is all part of the plan that the multi red trusted accounts have.

You should post a screen shot of where it is called *private* message. I’ll give you a thousand dollars if you can provide a verifiable screenshot in the next hour.

Are you surprised? There's always talks of "them" who are nasty people just out to ruin people yet I've never been treated as bad as the ones calling "them" out have treated me.

Blocking PM's and putting people on Ignore helps a lot, as some users suggested it to me, less noise = happier life :).

Can you name something that I've done against you Hhampuz? You've been awfully quiet in Meta for awhile now, but after going from trusting me to distrusting me without any explanation - here you are making it seem like you've been being harassed by me. Either your post is irrelevant or it's fan-fiction, can you help me pick which?

I don't lump people together in attempts to stir up drama. When I say "the ones calling "them" out" it necessarily doesn't mean you.

I've decided not to disclose why I Add/Remove/Exclude people from my trust list as someone will always be angry and send you nasty messages.

Relevant PM I received :

Are you surprised? There's always talks of "them" who are nasty people just out to ruin people yet I've never been treated as bad as the ones calling "them" out have treated me.

Blocking PM's and putting people on Ignore helps a lot, as some users suggested it to me, less noise = happier life :).

That's because you are sucking "their" dicks. Of course they will feed you scooby snacks and pet you and say nice things. You are their pet. We had perfectly friendly conversations days before you untrusted, excluded, then blocked me all without any explanation immediately after I spoke out about Vod's behavior. I even offered to help you get your negative removed. I never sent you any harassing PMs you are just another spineless toadie who doesn't want to have to be forced to make any critical self examination. Much easier to just blame others.

Quite convenient you never need to explain yourself because feels.

And why exactly would he have to explain himself?

Hey Tecshare,

Thank you for reaching out, hope you are enjoying this BTC rally too!

I understand that me leaving merit to that thread may have been stupid and my judgement was clouded by my disliking of og. There is no way for me to remove merit but even if it were, as the thread stands right now, I'm not sure I would remove it. No need to argue on my behalf with teegumes, although it is much appreciated! I'll take his neg and wear it as a reminder to always think twice before taking any action here which can also be a good thing.

After beeing down and feeling shit for a couple of months I've come back now and have found joy in the small things, doing much better and will just try and be hard at work.

Again, thank you for reaching out, I appreciate it :). Hope you are doing ok, too!

I’ve received numerous messages of support from high ranked accounts. This has actually given me confidence that I do a good job around here & must be appreciated (a little).

I won’t be such a pussy in future & will follow the rule book.
Thanks to all who have messaged, it means a lot.

bill, I don’t hold grudges. I get why you posted my PM, it’s pissed me off a bit but if I wasn’t so soft you wouldn’t have had anything to post to embarrass me.

CH, Thule etc - Go fuck yourselves.

Boys whatever you saying....... LFC is a golden asset to this forum and community, please do respect a fellow member/BTC-HODLer

........

Thanks mic, means a lot. Finding out I have a lot of people who care about me tonight ;D

Fixed my post, still doesn't change the point.

A personal message is sent to a specific person to read. There is no expectation of privacy.

A personal message is sent to a specific person to read. There is no expectation of privacy.

posting private messages has always been a big no no

Seems that the new MO is to attack someone tangential to the whole shitslinging fight and averse to public drama

A personal message is sent to a specific person to read. There is no expectation of privacy.

I feel like intimidation, trust-abuse and DT-manipulation would be an exceptional case. If there was a way to "Scam DT", what Lauda has been described/caught doing is exactly that.

You put a victim's PM out there, not the perpetrator.

if anything LFC was being intimidated by Lauda

I made the "crime" public (to use your analogy), so that there is not another victim, or a continued victim.

I never said LFC was intimidating me, and my words being twisted or misconstrued is becoming quite a pattern.
Obviously my point is that Lauda is intimidating people, and operating with a mafia (pardon the cliche) mentality of silence or you'll get whacked isn't helping.

In that case, would you be so kind to upload all your PMs on Pastebin?

I didn't claim that LFC was intimidating you, I claimed that Lauda was intimidating LFC,

If someone gets scammed, you don't post the scammed person's address to take down the scammer.

A personal message is sent to a specific person to read. There is no expectation of privacy.

if the sender of the PM wanted it posted in the fucking forum he probably would have posted it in the fucking forum instead of sending it privately to one person.

Funny how bill gator went ape shit over vod doxxing og but has no problem sharing something sent in private.  

I think pretending like what I did is comparable to releasing an address is disingenuous.

bill gator has received my dox ... I am slightly concerned that he may share my PM when he feels it's to his advantage....

In another twist of irony if the sender of the PM wanted it posted in the fucking forum he probably would have posted it in the fucking forum instead of sending it privately to one person.

You also don't keep the scam a secret. I think pretending like what I did is comparable to releasing an address is disingenuous.

I claimed that Lauda was intimidating LFC,

I thought the whole Vod situation was already over? Oh wait, no shit - you're actually projecting that hard right now!

If you witness a rape, and the victim doesn't want to speak to the police - do you just walk away?

If something is posted that is intended to be read by one specific person and responded to by that person, it would get taken down by the moderators for doing exactly what you describe.

It is horribly ironic to be telling a moderator what types of threads shouldn’t be posted.

It seems you are more concerned about Bill publishing a PM with evidence of Laudas abuse instead of Laudas intimidation ?

This has nothing to do with Vod

Righto, so you say "Hey guys, Lauda is pressuring people like some mafia boss to ...."

you certainly shouldn't do anything without victim's consent. You have your priorities seriously messed up.

It seems you are more concerned about Bill publishing a PM with evidence of Laudas abuse instead of Laudas intimidation ?

Why don't you hold Lauda responsible for that intimidation ?


Its funny to see how quickly someone who was supported by most DT members over a longer period of time gets so quickly a scammer stamp.

LFC provided the ultimate proof why this is happening

LFC provided the ultimate proof why this is happening

You are way too desperate for attention if you have to stick your nose in here to say "bill plz no Dox".

Were I to intimidate anyone, you wouldn't ever be able to prove any of it. ::)

I'm not all that scared of being dox'd

I get all the attention thanks though!

Why do you always twist words like that? Where did he say that it against the forum rules?

Who talks like that?

Who talks like that?

Who talks like that?

It's truly saddening to me that your lack of fear towards being DOX'd is stronger than your faith that I would never release such information.
Don't let all that attention go to your head, buddy.

You are a scamming monkey for which about 1% of my brain is needed to beat.

a PM that was CLEARLY sent in the spirit of being kept confidential

Do you truly believe in your intimidation claims mr. liar?

Out of curiosity, how would one get the consent to investigate a murder?

It's amazing to me that you don't see a problem with why they wanted it kept confidential.

I made the "crime" public (to use your analogy), so that there is not another victim, or a continued victim.
If you witness a rape, and the victim doesn't want to speak to the police - do you just walk away?

Are you saying that you deserve a point, because you edited your post and added that in after I had already responded - now to act as though it has been avoided?
Confused.

Point.

I'm going to stick with the Lauda mafia boss analogy we've been going with here. LFC spilled the beans to you for your sake, because if they did so publicly they'd get "whacked". Then you confront Don Lauda with that information and LFC gets whacked. RIP.

this (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=260073.msg2774678#msg2774678) thread has been up for 6 years, and it very clearly says to publish PM logs if you are making a scam accusation.

There is no reason why you should expect privacy if you send a PM unencrypted. Period.

I will repeat myself that if you don’t want a PM published in which you said something embarrassing, you should not send a PM containing something embarrassing.

Responding too quickly usually leads to this; this isn't IM. I edit quite often within the first few minutes of posting.

Now answer.

Then you confront Don Lauda with that information and LFC gets whacked. RIP.

Anyway, whats done is done, but in the future maybe consider the intent and implied privacy behind a private message versus something public. I'm with FH on this one, its bad practice.

Did LFC scam anyone, I missed that part.

Did LFC scam anyone, I missed that part.

He abused the trust system fearing Lauda's actions against him when not complying which he openly admitted.

You abuse common sense every time you post.  Would you please STFU?

Your brain limited?

Begone Wench! I'd rather watch you sperg out when I refuse to answer.

Thule, you’ve got 18 red trust ratings (that I see). Even if you were successful in removing myself & Lauda from DT your account is still splattered with red paint & essentially useless. What are you going to do then, move on to the other people who painted you red?

It's amazing to me that you don't see a problem with why they wanted it kept confidential.

childish behavior (i.e. not even standing behind your own attack-words)

...

I give zero fucks why he wants it kept confidential, that's his business, assuming he's an adult it isn't for anyone but him to decide about LFC's motivation, you're not his mom, wife, kids or anyone else that should be deciding anything for him...

You could have used it as evidence in a case and asked him if you could post it (you didn't even give him the courtesy of a reach around by asking ffs).  You could have redacted his name and asked a global mod to verify it's authenticity but no you went balls deep and posted in forum.  Sorry but that is not fucking cool IMHO.

Are you the mod who is deleting stuff which are against the group ?

Seeing how you are always protecting them you clearly seem not to be a neutral mod.

All I've done is present how you are making your own "friends" feel.

If you keep it

proper friends

Calling it "throwing someone under the bus" is implying what, that Lauda is the bus? No, I dragged his ass out of prison and said "look, this is freedom" and he ran back inside.

This would extend to other disputes (which this would fall under), even if you are not a party to the dispute, and would really apply to any other situations in which the content of a PM is relevant to a conversation/discussion.

rape

murder

You should stop licking lead window's, it's making your brain non-functional.

OFC I am the mod deleting everything I don't want, I have Lambo after Lambo because I am a good little hit man from the dark but your so fucking smart to be able to figure it out I should just go take a long walk off a short pier!

...

People are afraid to act or say what they really want to. They fear a use of force against them; not dissimilar to a government that enforces laws.
That sounds like a revocation of freedom in exchange for being allowed to fall in line.
I don't know what else to call that, if not prison.

in favour of one group

Im sorry I can't hear you over my Thursday Lambo's exhaust, it's the loud one, I might be able to hear you tomorrow when I will be in my Friday Lambo, it's a lot quieter!

LAMBO LAMBO LAMBO
LAMBO LAMBO LAMBO

I would explain you how incredibly stupid you are but it's more fun to make fun of you!

Other than bozo's claim that I have half a dozen alts, by their count.

Yawn. Were I to intimidate anyone, you wouldn't ever be able to prove any of it. You are a scamming monkey for which about 1% of my brain is needed to beat. All the PMs that were sent out were suggestions and any of them can be published. I didn't put more than 15-20 seconds of writing into most of them, quite the intimidation. ::)

https://i.imgur.com/PYxxned.png

Must have been more intimidation, at least I don't leak intimidating- or non-PMs. Angry cat. Meow.

-snip-

@yahoo97692374

I don't need you to cave to pressure. We just need to find some instances where you did not accept candidates on first come first served basis where you can not present a clear case to refuse them but accept anyone later in the queue . I just need to find you discriminating against a member where you can not present a clear case they are not eligible to have joined IE they are actually a scammer or they can NOT make good posts. Not just some bogus red trust or earned merits bollocks you scamming and lying pals control.

Your projects are vulnerable especially those where the initial distribution of tokens depends upon those selected to advertise it. Corruption in the initial distribution means the the entire projects future is questionable and collusion therefore price manipulation is something ALL projects will seek to avoid. Nobody wants several threads detailing instances of unfair and shady distributional methods by corrupt campaign managers.  IF we had more time we could certainly ensure that campaign managers remain transparent and fair. You never know when we are going to make time. Then once we have demonstrated it JUST ONCE we can use it to leverage every project to avoid you.

Remain fair and transparent and there is no issue. Start favoring scammers and "gang" members or refusing entry to those that are NOT scammers who can make good posts. Then you could well have a problem on your hand. Think about it.

Being a campaign manager is a precarious position. Best to distance yourself from any REAL scammers and those gaming these broken metrics for their own ends.

Ignore cryingdumbfish. Notice how that imbecile talks just like Tman? or tries to. What a fucking mess of a moderator. Even hilarious and co seems more suitable than that cretin.  Both a couple of sig spamming idiots who are basically low functioning bums who crumble during any real debate. Imagine being here years through 2 bulls and needing to spam gambling and mixing sigs. Disgusting supporters and enablers of scammers and liars taking their sides over honest members who call for a fair and transparent environment where all members are treated equally.

Why are you mad scammy cryptohunter?

Can you produce some evidence that cryptohunter scammed someone? sounds like more LIES from an observable liar and scammer, extortionist and shady escrow trust abuser.

Bring the evidence.

My word is more observable proof and observable fact(s) than anything you or pajeethunter ever provided as observable proof and observable fact(s). :D

My word is more observable proof and observable fact(s) than anything you or pajeethunter ever provided as observable proof and observable fact(s). :D

Your word is dirt. Only a fucking eastern euro trash pleb like you would not realize that pajeethunter is something you would call someone who hunts pajeets like you and your group of gutter rats.

He is a pajeet(hunter), he doesn't actually hunt pajeets. ;)

He is a pajeet(hunter), he doesn't actually hunt pajeets. ;)

Is that all you've got? You're quite the pajeet scammer, making me bored. Two baboons, pajeet-thule and pajeet-cryptohunter. Do you like the spelling now? Actual pajeets have more money than CH. Ok.

I didn't claim that LFC was intimidating you, I claimed that Lauda was intimidating LFC, LFC let you know, and you broke a more about trust and private messages. If someone gets scammed, you don't post the scammed person's address to take down the scammer.

this (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=260073.msg2774678#msg2774678) thread has been up for 6 years, and it very clearly says to publish PM logs if you are making a scam accusation.

There is no reason why you should expect privacy if you send a PM unencrypted. Period.

I will repeat myself that if you don’t want a PM published in which you said something embarrassing, you should not send a PM containing something embarrassing.

Just let it be known there are those unspoken rules, codes of honour or whatever its been called ..... exposing a private message falls under them.

Why should you expect a PM to be private if its encrypted? I expect you'd give the receiver a way to unencrypt the message as its intended for them. What prevents them from posting it after unencrypting it? I also don't see anything about posting your own sensitive information in the scam report format. The whole basis of the argument is that Bill could have handled this better. They could have said the same thing they wanted about Lauda without calling out the person who gave them the information, that explicitly stated that they weren't saying it publicly because they were afraid of retribution.



While Bill may not agree, I'm sure it has become clear at this point that a fair number of people agree with this sentiment. People of sound mind are able to put aside their personal beliefs for the sake of reasonably interacting with other humans, ie not spitting in people's hand during a handshake, or holding back offensive language when talking with certain people even if its part of your normal vernacular.

Its not like talking some some of the bricks here that you could spend all day trying to convince that the sky is blue, but it would never sink in.

That would depend on how convincing your arguments were. Like for instance the crap you tried to push that liking lemons is a valid reason for red trust.  Most of your reasoning is highly questionable verging on ridiculous. When people tie you down to a debate you run off. This could be why the people likely smarter than you are not convinced by your ill thought out opinions most of the time. I have NEVER seen you come out opposing the scammers and liars here yet. For that reason I view you and your motives as dubious and untrustworthy or at best you are a coward hedging your bets. Either way the question is

why on this thread specifically about double standards and DT intimidating others are you focusing on this 2ndary and possibly off topic point about sharing a PM? that clearly demonstrates there is intimidation and gang tactics at least in lfc bitches mind.  

Is lauda and his gang intimidating others? is he a liar? do you think he tried to extort people? how about his shady escrow?  is bill more untrustworthy than lauda for instance in your lemons opinion? also I heard lauda rubs lemon juice on his asshole before lfc bitcoin rims it (if lfc has been particularly good that day) ? surely that makes them far more untrustworthy right? which of the 2 if you could only pick one would you view as more dangerous to this board? lauda or bill?

Try for once not sneakily finding away to protect the real scammers and liars here.  These people are scum. Help get rid of them or you are part of the problem.

Surely you are not that crazy to believe "saying" someone told you that they are scared of the gang carries anything like the weight of the actual message are you? please stop posting this drivel. Start getting back on topic and saying yes it does look like there are clear double standards ie the nutildah/bill , yes it is obvious lauda and his bunch of scum use red trust to silence whistleblowers, yes there is clear intimidation and manipulation. Man up salty stop being a snide scam supporter.

Yes posting a private pm from someone who is apologizing about fucking you over because they are scared is a bit unsavory, however let's bring into focus and see how small of an issue this is compared to the a group of scammers and liars using dt to control free speech here.

Look CH, my point about lemons is that anyone can leave anyone feedback for any reason. Feedback means absolutely nothing without a reason that others accept. I don't accept negative feedback for account buying. You don't accept negative feedback from the group of people you dislike, thats all I meant. I could leave you negative feedback for liking lemons, and people would simply disregard my feedback, that is how the system works. For that reason, it doesn't matter if people leave you stupid negative feedback as long as its honest. I can't leave you negative feedback saying you scammed me if you didnt, but I can leave you negative feedback for having hyphens if your name if I so desired, people would just disregard it. The way the system is set up is that if you leave feedback that the majority of people disregard, then your feedback is useless and you don't deserve to be on DT, eventually you'll be removed, and the problem fixes itself.

I don't care about what Lauda does, because I don't think it matters. They can try to be a trust bully if they want, as I said before, this is entirely about hurt feelings. Show me a business owner or any individual marketplace goer who has had their sales unreasonably hurt by Lauda or anyone else for this matter, and I'll start to care. For that matter, show me how you have been effected in any way since becoming a target of Lauda and gang?  I've had pms from Lauda asking me to do things, I've had others ask me to do things about Lauda, I'm not interested in getting into online fights with people I don't know and will never meet.

Who is more dangerous to the board? Neither of them, they are both inconsequential to "the board". They are having a personal spat that in no way effects the Bitcoin forum in any way. I don't care about double standards, they don't matter because this is a private forum, no one is entitled to a fair anything. You can't regulate personal relationships between hundreds of thousands of users.

Do I care about scammers? Somewhat. Do I care about liars? If I'm not trading with them, not really.  Do I care about trust "abusers"? We have very different definitions of trust abuse. Your definition, not in the slightest. By my definition, somewhat. Just to be clear, I don't support anyone here. I have two or three pals that I know in real life that use this forum that I care about then there are a handful of people here that I enjoy having conversations with, and people that I wish the best for, but I don't "support" them. I have no different impression of Bill than I have with you, Lauda, or almost anyone else in this thread.  

You are all taking yourself way too seriously. Nothing will happen if Lauda is free to pretend to have some sort of weight to throw around, nothing will happen if you complain about it. If Lauda and cronies find their way into the forum database let me know.

Why should you expect a PM to be private if its encrypted? I expect you'd give the receiver a way to unencrypt the message as its intended for them. What prevents them from posting it after unencrypting it? I also don't see anything about posting your own sensitive information in the scam report format. The whole basis of the argument is that Bill could have handled this better. They could have said the same thing they wanted about Lauda without calling out the person who gave them the information, that explicitly stated that they weren't saying it publicly because they were afraid of retribution.

Let's try this...

1. If you left me red trust for liking lemons then
a/ browsers of this forum not logged in would see a message strongly suggesting I am a scammer.
b/ people reading my posts who do not go to the trust page will likely assume I am a scammer.
c/ If everyone leaves random red for things not related to scamming the trust score is no longer helpful against scammers
d/ People are not removed and it does not fix itself as far as we can see under the new system.

2 trust bullying has HUGE and far reaching implications for free speech. It is undeniable and crazy to say it does not matter. Unless you do not care about free speech.

trust bullying allows DT members to punish whistle blowers which obviously facilitates scammers.
the message from LTC that was revealed demonstrates his actions were that of someone intimidated and scared to do what he thought was the right thing. This again facilitates scamming and influences a persons right to behave how they feel they should.

3/ Well you can see how LFC was effected. Now bill will be effected in a different way to nutildah. We have not been effected since we refuse to be pushed about by this kind of lying scammer and his grubby little clan. It is quite reasonable to believe many others behaviors are effected in the same way.  Thule and others have been effected since their ability to earn from sigs (like you do) is now taken away. What if they needed that money?

4. Wrong. Lauda has proven he is far more dangerous. The sheer number of instances of him being directly involved or implicated in untrustworthy and scamming behaviors of course endangers people on this forum. How can it not? What if they find out who you are and threaten to doxx you if you don't pay up? what if they lie to you about the initial distribution of a project and the colluding instaminers dump it all crushing your investment to zero?  what if they decide to try to benefit from your funds you trust them with for escrow and they lose it all trying to gain from some fork?  this is dangerous for the entire board and the reputation of the entire forum? what if you spoke out about an observable instance of they lying or scamming and they all red trust you?  we feel you may sing a different tune.

5. Don't care about double standards? nobody is entitled to anything fair? so you would elect people to positions of power and trust and not care if they dole out double standards and are observably unfair? this leads to corruption, scamming and a toxic environment here. People naturally want things to be fair. Double standards are sickening.

6. You do care about scammers ( a little bit)? so scamming as in lying or deceiving others for financial gain? you accept this is the definition of scamming?

7. You don't care about liars unless you trade with them personally? but do care if someone shares a pm they did not promise to keep secret? just trying to get a feel for the mind of SS here.

8. You don't care in the slightest about people using red trust to silence or attempt to silence whistle blowers? which obviously increases the probability of people getting scammed? or using red trust to gain support for their agendas? this a legitimate use of red trust to you?

Having said all of this we are more convinced you are just a bit of a strange individual perhaps rather than an ardent supporter of scammers and liars. Perhaps there is hope for SS. Perhaps just needs to be nailed down to a full debate and reprogrammed a little bit. You seem to be only able to consider what you consider are direct consequences. The world is not that simple I'm afraid. There are far reaching and very damaging consequences for the thing you say you do not care about at all.

---

Don't you get tired of the egotistical masturbation?

-snip-
If you send me information, unsolicited and unencrypted, there should be no reason to believe I will keep said information confidential because that is not something I agreed to do.
-snip-

Also why people assume you are female is unclear.

So the IRS potentially kicking in your door is not a significant consequence? Everyone here likes to imagine this forum is just like a video game with no real world consequences. The fact is many people depend on this forum for income and this mob behavior can and does do damage to ones ability to trade here. This place is so rife with fraud building up a reputation is not an easy or quick task. It takes time, money, risk, and effort to build your reputation here just for it to be destroyed in an instant in retaliation for criticizing the wrong people. You poo poo at the idea and say people will just ignore invalid ratings and the like, but who actually takes the time to validate these ratings? Almost no one, and the ones who most need to are the least likely and the most populous. In effect this has serious repercussions on ones ability to solicit trade here among other real world consequences imposed by these control freaks.

I don't think its a reasonable risk, so not worth worrying about. When it comes to forum drama, I agree that there is no real world consequences, just an absolute waste of time. Every single day real businesses get slandered by fake reviews. Restaurants will hire people to leave fake Yelp reviews for competitors. That is the world we live in, yet they manage. I understand that it takes time to build a reputation here, but considering that the circle jerk of people complaining are not involved in business here, and those that are don't seem to have any inconvenience cast upon them, I'm hesitant to feel bad for them. Its a moral crusade for them, they have not been cut off from their income. Even despite years of this same stuff going on, I haven't seen anyone suffer any unreasonable repercussions.

If I could leave negative feedback saying "Tecshare is an evil purple alien, avoid his laser beam at all cost!" and that has any effect on your business whatsoever...I really don't know what to say about that. There is absolutely no reasonable solution in that case.

For the record, I'm not saying I support anyone's behavior, I'm just saying its not worth your mental health to get too involved in it. People are going to think whatever they are going to think, if you must control the narrative, you'll go insane.

Its a moral crusade for them, they have not been cut off from their income.

There was no reason to share that PM without LFC's consent, he was being friendly to you FFS, total dick move.

With Thule, CH, Quickscammer & co.

https://i.imgur.com/g19AZoB.png

You should post a screen shot of where it is called *private* message. I’ll give you a thousand dollars if you can provide a verifiable screenshot in the next hour.

I read through this thread.

... ^{s_igh. _***}

---

Yet another pointless topic.

We have:
Another @theymos thread
~

I know I'm a bit late to the party, but does this count?
http://i68.tinypic.com/2euq5mx.gif

I am not sure what you are agreeing to, because I do not agree that none of this abusive behavior here has any real world consequences. Legitimate users often spend YEARS carefully and laboriously building up their reputations, taking risks all along the way in order to do so. Then a band of obsessive compulsive control freaks come along and strip that reputation with no examination, recourse, or accountability for ANY REASON they can dig up or manufacture in an instant. Are you saying your reputation is worthless? Are you saying that everyone who considers trading with people carefully examines the validity of ratings before deciding to trade? Are you saying it is likely that users whom the trust system was designed for most, new users are able to tell the difference between a real negative rating and a manufactured baseless one?

Oh well shit, you manage. I am sure everything is great for you in mod land. I am sure that offers you no additional protection from this sort of harassment right? In that case since it is not a problem for you personally it must not be a problem for anyone right? You are totally avoiding the point and essentially saying the trust system doesn't matter. The point is the lack of accountability. The point is it is totally convenient for PROTECTED people such as yourself to brush this off because you don't have to worry about it in the slightest, and pretending it is a non-issue is a far easier solution for you personally seeing as it has no cost to you. The point is double standards, selective enforcement, and ambiguous ever changing unwritten rules. Essentially what you are saying is this place is a big fucking joke and no one should invest any time money or effort into it because some retards LAARPing Game of Thrones can take it all away at any time. If you think the internet has no capability to have real world repercussions on people, I am sorry but you are either a fucking moron or totally disingenuous.

You are missing a major point ( signature campains) .

Most managers don't accept members with a negative trust from DT member which i don't find very reasonable but still.

That is one reason why so many people spend a quarter of their lifetime debating DT and trust shit, i am pretty certain if signature campaigns focus on merit / quality post and cancel the trust rule, many people will stop caring - because as you mentioned most people here don't trade, and once they happen to do so - they use escrow anyway!

I'm not saying its a good thing that people leaves controversial feedback, I'm saying worrying about [controversial feedback ratings] is a waste of your time

This has shown itself to be true.

It didn’t used to be this way. In the past, a person was forced to defend controversial ratings. Today their supporters will troll the person who receives the negative ratings that are unjustified.

I don’t see how anyone could take the trust system seriously after seeing this kind of reaction to a dispute. I also don’t understand why someone would possibly think it would be a good idea to run a bitcoin related business on the forum when you know there is a potential this will happen to your business.

a. Browsers of the forum not logged in, who's opinions don't matter in the slightest would see a warning saying that someone has given you negative feedback.

This is of course incorrect. Every persons opinion matters if you care about the the truth being known or the most optimal outcome being reached. For example, say I was making a thread to warn about a certain projects instamine and the very high risk of investing due to the colluding holders had managed to use such a narrow distribution that a handful of people could crash the market or manipulate prices as they saw fit. If these potential investors see that this person is a scammer they may ignore what I am telling them. There are so many examples of why EVERYONES opinion matters in certain contexts I will leave it there for you to consider all of the others. The reverse is obviously true also if someone had reviewed a white paper and found it to be useful and had solved some of the issues btc has but the content was above the understanding of most readers, the fact you had a scammers warning would again influence their support of the project. The implications are endless.


b. Who cares? Are you doing business with them? If so would they not look at your feedback, if not, why care what other people who have no interaction with you think? I think you are a 9 meter tall purple dragon, do you need to prove me wrong about that?

This is related to point A

c. Who is to judge what is related to scamming? The users that read your feedback. Maybe lemon hate is part of my fanatical religious belief, and other lemon haters out there need to know your preferences on lemons. Those that agree with me about lemons will take my warning to heart, and those that think I'm a nut job will ignore it.

This subjective ANYTHING can be scamming nonsense is what renders the trust score meaningless. Like ANYTHING can be a GOOD post renders merit meaningless and misleading. To the point you have REAL scammers as per the accepted definition of scamming red trusting those that busted them for scamming in public. The entire thing is moronic. If you want people to scan through pages of subjective bitching and personal arguements then just call it FEEDBACK it is nothing to do with TRUST and giving it a SCORE that is supposedly meant to have some meaning is bogus.



d. Just because its not working the way you'd like doesn't mean its not working. There are some new interesting developments with DT, but I don't think it has yet stopped serving its intended purpose. People are just fighting over DT ratings while those actually trading continue to operate as normal, completely detached from who left someone feedback for lemons and who is a jerk.

TRUST in terms of helping people avoiding getting SCAMMED is not where scammers and liars get to give NEGATIVE trust scores to the people that busted them for lying and scamming. It is NOT working. Besides it is undeniable that it influences the free speech as we have seen. When merit (governs you ability to pay2post and the rate of pay2post) and red trust does the same but with added implications for trading then you can see there is clear motive and clear fear to fall in line with those that give merit out and can give red trust out. It is totally foolish to argue people can still say and do what they like unfettered. That is like saying you are free to tell your boss to fuck off when you feel like it or you believe he is in the wrong ... of course you can but you will likely lose your job and your salary then your home etc, so you keep your mouth shut. To say merit and red trust do not create echo chambers and group think is again naive. Perhaps you are only seeing this board from your own pov



I do not. As apparent, people say whatever they want regardless of trust bullying. Some people make alts, others send private messages to tip off others. Choosing not to speak up is a choice. Come on now, we are talking about forum politics, no one has your family kidnapped. Lauda can't actually whack you if you speak out against them, and it sure would be awful if they gave you frivolous negative feedback that would help you further your point. Free speech does not mean that you can say whatever you want without people responding however they see fit. Freedom of speech is to protect you from the government for saying something they don't like, not to do whatever you want on an online forum without people getting mad at you.

Answered above. But it is foolish to point as us and say you are saying what you want after getting red trust so other people are obviously free to say what they want and getting red trust has no influence. Lauda and his goons can allow you to have a sig and control your rates via merit, they can take your sig away, effect your ability to trade, and hound and troll you. It is madness to claim people are not being prevented from speaking freely. Look at vod he is clearly saying to OGnasty that he can not dare give lauda or his goons red or speak out against them because they will ruin his account. You are still spouting madness on a level near the lemons entire thing after theymos clearly has said red is for SCAMMING only. Have the lemons debate with him in public if you still believe it is a valid reason to leave red trust. Let me watch how that goes down.  




Not really, still just looks like everyone has hurt feelings. What has your refusal to be pushed around accomplished besides spam? I'm not saying you are wrong to stand up for yourself, but what possible damage could have been done? I just think you are wasting your time. Just saying, "yeah whatever man" when Lauda goes on a power trip is just as effective as spending 120 hours composing posts about how outraged you are.  Why has their ability to earn from sigs been taken away? Does every single campaign operator value Lauda's feedback?

This post leads me to believe your understanding of paid2post here is very limited. These highly gamed and abused metrics of merit and trust (both controlled by the same group) are being used as the benchmarks or thresholds to gain access to paid2post. It is no co-incidence that the highest paid spots are held by those that control DT and merit. Who would have thought? I notice now campaign managers like hhampuz are refusing to be transparent regarding their selection process. Trying to shift responsibility to these gamed metrics controlled by their pals. The entire system is completely laughable in terms of creating a transparent, fair environment where people are treated equally or even a meritocracy. The entire system is gamed garbage that crushes free speech and financially rewards the abusers and manipulators. It is undeniable that the systems are wide open to this and incentivize and reward successful collusion, gaming, abuse.

 It is touched on above. You may have clear evidence in the form of observable instances that lauda is a liar and scammer and you would think that producing this would be welcomed and shared. It is not. It results in the liar and scammer giving you red trust to shut you up. Just because it does not shut you up you can not know how many others remain silent about things they know about other possible scammers and liars in DT because they fear their paid2post and trading capabilities being crushed. So now the trust system HELPS scammers. This is clearly not its intended purpose.





What if Lauda comes to my house and pisses in my cheerios? What do I do if they threaten to dox me if I don't pay up? I suppose I'd contact an admin or global moderator. Illegal activities result in bans here. If your investment is so shaky that a lie from Lauda can ruin it, you are an idiot for investing in it. If I had a bunch of red trust tomorrow and for whatever reason it was all staged perfectly so that I couldn't refute it, I'd ask MinerJones to escrow for me when I make trades here.

A global mod would likely take a dump in your cheerios if he heard lauda tell him too or no more fortunejack, chipmixer, theymos would take a look in the bowl and tell you that is a "gray" issue... have a few spoon fulls and stop whining on you boring bastard. He would have said lauda was bad, but you moaned too much too soon and are therefore insane. Start to enjoy the taste of laudas bodily waste he may ask lauda to stop pissing on your food if you don't mention it for the next 5 years. Besides lauda bakes him nice cookies. "Annoying asshole that SS at times. Sorry lauda, you have to endure these pesky whiners, now where was that french toast I was thinking about you making for me, wash your hands first please".   Oh really because we heard a mod was involved in passing the dox information to lauda or actually was lauda not a mod at the time? Would it not be better if this decentralized trust system prohibited lauda doing this in the first place, or actually punished him rather than reward him?

Again you misunderstand the investment part. I almost feel you have no experience with the alt board at all and how even smart investors can be ruined by a bunch of colluding scum who manage to pull off a narrow distribution initially and can collude and manipulate/crash/exit the market at will. Lauda telling you he was on the launch and there was no instamine at all with glowing 300 green trust, then someone with -2000 red saying he was REALLY on the launch and there REALLY was an instamine.... you start to see the problem I HOPE. IT only takes a few "influential members" to fuck over 100s of investors. You must leave the bitcoin section one time and have a look how other distributions work.




I don't acknowledge DT as a position of power. It sucks that things aren't fair, thats how the world works. All of these rights and fair things you keep talking about are government guaranteed rights to protect you from systematic abuse. The government doesn't have the right to say, alright you plagiarized so your life is over, but your account can be banned for that reason. You don't have a whole lot of recourse if someone decides to pick a fight with you on an internet forum, as long as its within the rules.

You seem to have driven off a cliff here. If you wish to create an optimal pleasant atmosphere where people can share ideas and take crypto adoption and development further at an optimal rate. You can not introduce systems that create group think, echo chambers, wars over how unfair it CLEARLY is when you have such huge displays of double standards. I mean introducing systems of control where the same people that control most merit flow (to each other) all including each other on DT and excluding similar people, all of whom control the best sig campaign spots and group together to defend their scams and lies and punish people that present observable instances that demonstrate they are dirty is going to create a complete and utter mess and anarchy. To tie together the carrot (merit) and the stick(red trust) to the same group was folly. It will lead to the fastest destruction of this board possible. Perhaps these really are your views but it seems unthinkable




Fraudulently obtaining money from someone, with cash or cash equivalent changing hands.

Lying/misleading people for financial gain is pretty much the same thing and exactly what lauda did. I mean you can fuck up a scam and not actually end up gaining personally of course but you still scammed people.



Do you know how many people on this forum have killed another human? Do you know how many have committed actual serious crimes and have never been caught? I don't know either, but if you care too much about everything around you, you'll drive yourself crazy. Everyone on the internet is a liar to some extent. My real name isn't SaltySpitoon! I casually sprinkle a lie into my posts now and then, I don't actually believe you are a 9 meter tall dragon, and I used my measurement in terms of meters to possibly imply that I don't live in the U.S! I'm not going to worry about things outside an immediate sphere of feasible threats. Sharing a PM is a behavior I find untrustworthy, to me it means that someone doesn't respect a user's privacy. When I'm buying or selling something here, I use my real name. I am under the assumption that with reasonable people, they will not act in a spiteful manner such as releasing my information if I do not prompt them to do so, for example by scamming them.

We agree in part. Sharing a PM is unsavory. We have had messages from people that say we need to continue but they fear to join in. We would never reveal their messages since their message just because we would not feel good about doing so. I am going to say that regards the rest we are likely a little less selfish than you. Going out of our way to help others being picked on even if it results in our own red trust and hassle from "those with power" is acceptable. We do not like bullies or ass lickers the latter supports the former. Obvious jokes and banter are not lies. Like if I tell my friends santa brought me a new car this xmas. They don't immediately scream liar and untrustworthy. They understand I am joking and bought it myself.


Nope, because for the past years that I've been trading here, that hasn't seemed to occur.

Well the observable instances demonstrate clearly it does happen and happened when you were a mod too, starting with CH's red, vods crying he dare not red trust lauda or his gang (during your watch), now LFC crying he does not want to do it but he is scared of lauda and his gang. Wake up SS,it is red pill time..


Not interested in any brainwashing you are attempting. I've been a member here for 8 years, and was a moderator for ~5 years. I've got a pretty decent idea of how things have worked around here, where the troubles were, and how they were fixed. I really don't mean this as a insult, but if this isn't all just a game to you, I pity you. I'm sure there is so much more going on right now that you could use your time productively for. In the grander scheme of things, this is just as stupid as getting into a month long fight with someone on Reddit that insults your mother. None of this has any meaningful impact on you, rise above the forum bullshit and reclaim your time.

As for me, I've got a couple of days off and nothing better to do, so here I am! But, I'll go back to ignoring your long rambly posts that inspire me to write equally long rambly posts soon.


It is an interest, and perhaps this board is worth fighting for more than you think it is.  Your understanding seems very limited on many aspects if you are being honest and not just trying to create specious explanations and opinions to maintain the status quo which is currently fucked.. Perhaps you have never ventured to the alt section.


This is my TLDR:

Who cares about what people on the internet do or think, worry about real problems. If you don't have more pressing problems, I guess good for you? Getting spun up at every provocation and atrocity committed against you is not the way to go.

Also:





*edit*


Good to know.

-snip-

jesus christ could you just like, idk, format your post properly?

That goes for all of you, thule et al, your walls of text are making me puke.

-snip-

Wow who would have thought, we disagree on nearly everything. Doesn't seem to be a product of either of us misunderstanding anything, its a difference of opinion. You are more hands on, I'm more hands off. My opinion mainly stems from my opinion that most users are able to use whatever tools are available to them however they find best.

Imagine if all the time wasted was put towards something more productive instead.. we'd be living on mars right now!

Imagine if all the time wasted was put towards something more productive instead.. we'd be living on mars right now!

Nobody will give a single shit about red trust, reputation, DT or whatever.

they can't deal with that reality so they have to blame someone.

I disagree. Thule, CH et. al. will continue whining. Do you really think they have any significant amount of Bitcoin? :D Their impact here or anywhere is zero; they can't deal with that reality so they have to blame someone.

Consider for just a second, lets say Lauda or whoever else leaves controversial negative trust. Your options are A) Spend a year fighting it to no recourse, or B) Say, yeah whatever I don't care what this guy thinks. I'm not saying its a good thing that people leaves controversial feedback, I'm saying worrying about it is a waste of your time. Ultimately who is in control of your reputation is you. You've been trading here for years, do you think Lauda's feedback would effect the trust that thousands of people have in you? And in the case that you were a new user, could you not just use escrow and build up your reputation to the point where thousands of people have trust in you? I feel like the argument against my opinion is that every user here is a robot unable to read feedback, detect bias, and the weight for feedback from known shaky characters for being a "liar" or whatever else, is the same as someone claiming that you scammed them.

I've managed to avoid harassment because I don't engage with people's provocation. There is always someone trying to start something, I'll say my peace if I feel so inclined and then I'm done. If someone wants to insult me, have at it, I've got thick enough skin but I wont give you the satisfaction of overreacting and making your day by becoming enraged. From my perspective, you are handing groups of people with 0 authority complete power over you. Its like bullies in elementary school, they can make faces at you all day, but they'll get bored if you don't start crying and screaming every time they do it.

I'm not against you in saying that it sucks people are trying to be internet bullies, I'm saying that everyone is turning a molehill into a mountain. If someone leaves you bad feedback, let them make a jackass out of themselves and discredit themselves. As soon as you fly off the handle and let loose on them, people start to think that maybe the negative feedback is valid.



I'll get back to you on this

they're 'kicking the office cat'?

True, Lauda.
Imagine being aware of bitcoin for as long as they have been & crying over reputation here ;D

We all know they ridicule sig campaigns & the participants of them because their rep is so damaged they can’t join one :D

I’m waiting for Thule’s lawsuit against those who have painted him red. No knocks on my door yet.

Well that is oh so magnanimous of you to decide for me and everyone else what is a waste of our time. Very gracious of you. It is not just feedback but the patterns of intimidation and punitive behavior engaged against anyone who challenges them forcing people to divide and form cliques. I warned about this result years ago and as usual you, and the rest of the peanut gallery poo pooed my warnings just as you are now. Using an escrow proves nothing as far as your reputability as you have no opportunity to steal anything. This is one reason why I personally refuse escrow in most cases because it shows people I am worthy of trust, not just reliable to put something in a box as promised. Additionally using an escrow itself is a risk as countless examples have shown us.

"I feel like the argument against my opinion is that every user here is a robot unable to read feedback, detect bias, and the weight for feedback from known shaky characters for being a "liar" or whatever else, is the same as someone claiming that you scammed them. "

Tell me Salty, what is the purported purpose of the trust system? Is it not supposed to be a tool for the newest most new and uninformed users to be able to wade trough the marketplace and pick the most reputable traders to engage with? Is this not because they are new and unable to make informed decisions on their own to a large degree not knowing how things work here? If your premise is was correct then the trust system serves ZERO purpose. The fact is even if they do know what to do most people are just going to look at the red and green numbers and move along because people are lazy. This translates to loss of sales or inability to participate in projects as a direct result of false abusive ratings, among other things like selective inclusions/exclusions.

You you have managed to avoid harassment because you are a jellyfish that flows with the tide. Also you are a mod, and to pretend like that offers you no protection from this is just a lie.

The grand standing is appreciated as always. You can waste your time worrying about 1 in a trillion scenarios if you want, but most people are happy to live their lives without worrying that someone from the forum is going to hire someone to come get them or stage some sort of IRS conspiracy.  My response is that you are giving these people power over you. That doesn't excuse their action, I'm just saying you are taking the absolute least effective course of action. The DT bullies you are spending your time fighting, and the hours you are spending trying to reform a system is to fight someone with the authority of a hall monitor. If we aren't willing to give people the benefit of the doubt that they'll read feedback before judging its validity, then its all a moot point anyway. If a negative rating about you being a space alien can effect your business in any way, then this is not a hospitable business environment.

The trust system is indeed a tool for the newest most new and uniformed users to help them wade through the marketplace. I'm not seeing any new uniformed users here. The fact that you have already formulated your own idea of who is trustworthy and not means that you aren't relying on the default trust system. New users will do the same in a couple of months. I don't think it plays a major role here, no. Its a nice handy guideline for new users, not some all powerful list that decides the fate of anything besides a general suggestion for new users. What we are talking about is personal problems between users. I'm against creating a billion sets of rules that restrict users because 10 forum members can't get along. Then we add more rules when someone finds a new way around them. As we've had this discussion before, I don't agree with your rule proposals. We've already established that everyone here has different definitions of untrustworthy behavior, why suppress the feedback from people that are in the wrong? Let individuals judge who is wrong and who is right. If you are saying, yeah but we can't trust the users, they won't make informed decisions! Thats not a problem with the system, thats a problem with individuals once again.

We keep talking about how the trust system needs to be decentralized yet specific rules can be bullied into vote by either Extortion Group or Anti Extortion Group? Both groups are in effect looking to accomplish the same thing. You want accountability and by doing so making the trust system useless. They want to keep abusing trust, but my point is that people abusing trust doesn't break the system, it just makes their flaws more obvious. Let them make their own flaws obvious and trust users to make their own decisions.

Also, I haven't been a moderator for a few months, didn't have time to continue. The ignore button works pretty well when it comes to harassment.

True, Lauda.
Imagine being aware of bitcoin for as long as they have been & crying over reputation here ;D

We all know they ridicule sig campaigns & the participants of them because their rep is so damaged they can’t join one :D

I’m waiting for Thule’s lawsuit against those who have painted him red. No knocks on my door yet.

People "troll" because their victim will engage, if you don't give them the satisfaction thats kind of the end of it. The bolded is kind of my point, if you have unwarranted negative feedback and people are trying to harass you about it, if you don't blow it up into a massive thing, it'll just look like them being idiots and no one will take the negative feedback seriously. You look innocent in comparison, and the group of supporters begin to lose supporters. If a restaurant owner has a fake yelp review against their store that says, "Yeah the owner called me a weather balloon and spit in my face!" people will likely assume that its fake. If the owner responds by insulting them and calling them fake, it lends credence to the thought that maybe the owner is unstable enough to actually do what was claimed.

You guys are being provoked into making any false claims against you look real.

if I wasn’t so soft you wouldn’t have had anything to post to embarrass me.

...