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I'm interested to hear some feedback from everyone on the recent changes to the Stake.com campaign!

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5110093.0


What changes have been made? Official campaign member list?


Last week's pay rate - $3, $2, $1, $0.50 per 10 posts (rank based)
Current pay rate - $11 per 10 posts (all ranks)


Last week's total members - 125
Current total members - 27


Last week's total posts - 1521
Current total posts - A lot less


Last week's paid post limit - ∞
Current paid post limit - 30 (10 per day)


Last week's min character count - 25
Current character count - 100


Last week's min post requirement - 0
Current min post requirement - 0


Official campaign members list
 
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/127282xBJq5UtDH9vI8U96GNxBWN_3-3o-P6vTT44Fec/edit#gid=380619948



Let me know what you think and if I missed anything from being awake this long I'll then fix it when I wake up

You do no have to advertise it this way. Update your campaign OP. People will read from there. By the way, I do not think this is a reputation board topic. Please move it to the Service Discussion (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?board=85.0) board if I am not wrong.

PS: The campaign looks better now.

Edit:
Archive: http://archive.is/KYrhD

Since it says "A signature campaign for everyone!" (http://archive.is/KYrhD#selection-265.12-265.46), I would like to see some member and Jr. Member participants too or change the topic title with something Full Member+

http://prntscr.com/o1qet5

How could you pay the same rate to JR. and Hero/Legendary member?
Show some respect at least for Hero & Legendary members, though seniors deserve more than a Jr member imo.

Are you paying on stake account or on users addresses?

If you are paying on users address and you add this address on the spreadsheet it will help to find abusers, some users use even 50 accounts here on the forum.



For sure this is a good step to reduce the spam generate from some members.

Unfortunately, I am not anymore included in the list but that is fine since I already feel that I should go as it has become too toxic for me lately.  Anyway, without any drama further, thanks a lot to Stake and Steve for this wonderful opportunity -- no single payment missed and always on schedule. Despite some shortcomings (especially in the eyes of his many critics), Steve is a good signature manager for me.

I can't win with pay rates can I? I over triple the pay for Legendary/Hero and still get hate? Why is everyone always so worried what someone else is making compared to them worry about yourself and you'll make more in the end faster and easier...



I pay all at once directly to Stake accounts

I suggest to fix the post per week like 20-25 post to reduce the spam in this forun you made a 17week and stil running.
Its also better if you hire a trusted campaign manager to manage your campaign like sir Yahoo or other reputable member in this forum.

Edit: Also update your current campaign to make participant being aware of your changes.

Steve is paying through the website,straight to our accounts.
Its real some even have hundreds and have a small time company in spamming sigs in this forum,the usage of direct bitcoin wallet payout will be useful to eliminate spam yes,its up to steve if he'll change the rules to that.

Why would someone be dumb enough use the same address multiple times on different accounts though?

if you take a look at other signature campaigns you never saw the pay rate the same as other ranks


actually there are many accounts found with the same address maybe you can read this thread https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1206112.0
it countains many account that use the same bitcoin address

I suggest for the rate to be not uniform, every rank should have different rate.

I guess the following rate would be competitive enough, you can already have a good poster that will be loyal to your campaign.

Here's my suggestion for 10 posts per rank.

Hero - 20 usd
Sr - 15 usd
Member - 11 usd

Unrealistic pay rate. All rank same rate isn't wise decision. All user experiences isn't same. However its depend on you how are you going to pay participants, we can't make comment about it.

Main thing is monitor replies of your participants how their replies/post are potential. At least you have to monitor spammers as well in order to get good results.

First of all, I'd like to say that my earlier post was not "hate", it was "logic".
Second, I haven't said anything about the pay rate you are paying per 10 posts, I said about the "comparison" between Jr and Senio/Hero/Legendary... It may also go to member/full member rank.
Third, it is your campaign and you have the right to pay whatever amount you want to pay to whatever rank. We, as a member of this forum, have the right to comment about it, either positive or negative.

I do appreciate the steps you have taken to cut out the spam. A big thanks to you!

But still, I'd say that you have logically underestimated Senior, Hero & Legendary members when compared with Jr/Member/F.Member.

You mean I'm over estimating the lower ranks? because this is over 3x what Legendary/hero was getting over 5x what Sr was getting. A Jr member can be a higher quality poster than a Legendary the only reason people do the pay gaps is for the banner

Mind your own business. They can pay the same rate to anyone ? By the way, you are a hero member, let us know how can we respect you ?  ;)


Oh You are wearing SIR Yahoo Signature (Windice) already and you want all of the campaigns should be Manged by SIR Yahoo.

SIR  ;D


Become a campaign Manager and the implement these suggestions in your campaign and do not spam here.  :)



Oh really ? You are wearing sportsbet signature.  They should monitor your posts as you are just spamming the thread. Spammers are already been handled by Steve in good way.  No need for you to spam and get pay for this spam post.  :)



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Final Word:

Don't you see everyone here is spamming and yet they are ignored because they are not wearing stake signature  ;D

Had a blast working with Steve for the last couple of months and I thought he was a decent manager overall due to the following factors :

- Always made payments on time without any long delays
- Acted professionally with everyone
- Cleared any queries immediately majority of the time

Only issue is that he tried doing something different(No limit posting in almost all boards etc) which is pretty gutsy due to the money constraints involved and he try his best to reduce spam wherever possible(Even in the telegram group), but the rules could have been stricter(Accepting fewer quality participants and higher rates per post) which could have reduced spam even further.

Don't really care what others feel about him. In my opinion, he tried his best to be a decent campaign manager at the end of the day and never failed to make a single payment which is why I would gladly join any of his future campaigns. So many members of this forum basically ganged up on him in a pathetic manner excluding a select few instead of advising him in a constructive manner. This is a bit similar to the aTriz situation who was another manager that I worked with in the past and am sad to see his current state.

Personally, I feel that I was removed due to many of my recent(Months) posts getting deleted(Somewhere around 20) which was weird since I never felt post deletion was the primary barometer to judge a poster in this forum unless the number of posts being deleted are crazy high. Honestly, I had a great time working on this campaign promoting Stake and winning the contests regularly and don't have any qualms against anyone.

Looking forward to working with you again in the future Steve. Thank you!

OP is asking for forum members feedback, I was just giving mine, it does not have to be implemented if he don't agree with it. Peace mate.

In case you missed.

I can't win no matter what I do unless I sacrifice my life and bank account and even then someone will complain a Jr member got an extra few dollars. It's not even because people are unhappy I put the rates 3-5x higher, the highest they've ever been. It's just they think they're so much better than other people and need to be above them based on a rank that means nothing. I've realised the only thing ranks give are a better banner not quality of post. I'm a member and I know I can make higher quality posts than all of these spammers with hero/legendary that fill Bitcointalk



Thank you and I wish you the best of luck with your next campaign

Hmm, for me that's a lot better compare to the previous pay rates. At least the participants will now become more motivated to create quality posts because of the reward increase.
There will be a two sides of the story regarding this matter. The 27 who got chosen will be glad of course but on the other hand the remaining which are all eliminanted will surely felt bad after reading this news (including me as well). Honestly, I'm worrying a little bit because there's a tendency for you to get bashed by members you removed so prepare for it and I hope you can handle them in all peace. Don't get me wrong, I'm not scaring you I'm just saying the upcoming possible scenarios.
That's because of the lower ranked members you hired. As we look on the previous spreadsheet (why I can't gind it any longer?) most of them wasn't able to make even a single post. I don't exactly know the reason behind that but that's the sad truth.
That was I great move because you are now complying to a typical signature campaign rules :). I foresee that from now on this campaign will be more less toxic simply because participants are no longer pressured of creating tons of posts for the sake of increasing the reward they could get. This means less spams and shitposts.
Honestly I am very sad that my name wasn't on the list. Yeah! I'm aware of my lapses as your participant but it wasn't my intention at all. Sorry if I only made 5 posts last week, I already told you my reason but let me repeat it for the rest to know. It happened because I got sick that's why I don't have the energy to make greater number of posts (in which you understand, thanks) and for that I'm really sorry. I'm not saying this to make an excuse I'm just stating my own side to clear once and for all that I'm not a spammer, a shitposter or a member with poor attitude. I hope you will give me a chance once again to prove you that I'm also deserving to become part of your campaign.

This post is a proof that I'm not a shitposter. I consider this post as a quality post. I know it is not so technical/geeky like we can see in the Technical Discussions Section but at least this is not a shitty post. If you still demand a post with even more quality then I will gladly give you one with as much as I can. I hope you will consider me again, thanks :).

Some thoughts:
If you put the rate in the campaign's topic title, you'll get many applications.
According to Overview of Bitcointalk Signature-Ad Campaigns (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=615953.0), these are the highest pay rates for lower ranks. Once word gets out, you can expect many applications including alt-accounts. I know from experience that checking posts from Members is a lot of work, as most of them aren't worth it. Jr. Members will be even worse.
You can make it less work by using Merit for selection first. If you happen to find a rare Jr. Member with good posts but no Merit, please report them here (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5093271.0) so we can Merit them.
You have the rare opportunity to mean something for lower ranks, it would be really nice to see that used to reward the rare good users. Just imagine when a Member wearing Stake signature means he's a great poster!

after i saw the list of accepted people i saw many of them never made a post in the last 2 weeks ~ 3 months and the total post made will be too low because there are just 10~12 member that active posting.
btw will the contest still run for this week? because i just read the thread and i don't see any info about the bonus

That's great, less spam and bullshit to wade through! :D

America is putting pressure on all exchanges not to trade with its citizens. A behavior that is not appropriate for the crypto market ...

Stake excludes bounty hunter from his campaign, a longtime participant. Another inappropriate behavior ...

You're right ... I think we've overestimated you too much ...

Looks much better. I would be careful with the character count though as it's not always indicative of a good post. People in the past have just unnecessarily waffled on when they didn't need to just to hit their x amount of character requirements. Some users even added invisible junk to the end of their post so the bot that was counting their characters would be tricked into thinking it was a countable post. I could have stopped there but lets just string this paragraph out until I hit one hundred characters for sure. Some more text just in case. That should do.


Why does it matter? Being a Legendary doesn't mean you make better posts and if they were all making the same quality posts then maybe they should all be paid the same, but that's up to the campaigns and if they're ok with paying the same for smaller sigs. Personally I don't care whether someone is getting 1 cent or ten dollars per post and that's up to the person whether they want to accept the rates or not, but what I am concerned is the spam. Hopefully that will stop now with these changes as long as Steve keeps on top of things.


Now I know someone is doing their job because you were one of the problem posters obviously just forcing yourself to post. It also can't be that toxic if you immediately try to get another advertisement:

https://i.imgur.com/uGWeBlV.jpg


Some people are that dumb or sometimes they use addresses that are later spendlinked and that's when they're busted. When you've got dozens of accounts it will become difficult to manage them all effectively and many screw up this way by using the same telegram or address or whatever. Having users pay into their own accounts would probably be easier for you to spot abuse via IPs and such, but maybe that's not something you would do.


Why? And why did you stop at Hero? Because you're not Legendary and that rank doesn't effect you?

Just wanna say thank to Steve and Stake for the chance for being involved on the campaign since the start. I have to admit we have some arguments by private message on telegram about the campaign since the beginning but I appreciate your decision. I received 75% of my total received merit while joining your campaign seems to be nothing compared to the number of my deleted posts but it does not really matter for me.
As what you can see on my Stake's account, what I've spent is more than what I've received from the campaign and probably you can confirm that I never cashed out my campaign payment just after I received it every week. Of course it has nothing to do with the accusation that I'm a type of spammer, I participated because I like the site personally, because I like gambling, and I have to admit that there is a chance to earn extra money for my gambling activity on Stake. I've tried my best in all campaign that I've joined so far, but if it was not good enough for most people in this forum then I apologize for it. I'll try to be a better poster as I can.


One question, why you removed XinXan (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=440960) but you keep Bardman (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=459805) while they seems to be the same person?
Prove that they are probably the same person:


As archived (http://archive.is/JSYah)

The same bitcoin address as you can see on Bardman profile page as archived (http://archive.is/oI0R3)

I have no personal issue with this member, but it wont fair for other participants. Even if you do not care about alt account joining the same campaign as long as they are great posters but it is not fair in this removal case.

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Last but not least, good luck with the campaign. I'll keep the signature for my own benefit as I can use my referral link now on the signature.

Oops, sorry, that should be Hero/Legendary. :-[

It is not about being dumb to use same address on different accounts,we can easily caught them tracking their transfers like what other managers does on different altcoin bounties,trust me and people who are suggesting this,this will help alot :)

No my friend, I saw your post history and did not find anything to be Spam.  You were removed because this person reported some of the good posters even. :(






Sad to see those who were loyal to Stake being removed. This is a real loyal person that he will retain the signature even though he will not be paid per post.  :'(

Can we apply for the campaign further, or what's been stated in the opening post is the final list of the participants.

IDK, but can you please re-upload your avatar, it looks messed up or something. :P

Much convincing now,but make sure that how many total participants in your campaign or there any opening slots to be filled yet because I saw still people were applying on the signature campaign thread.

This is the avatar that is added back when animated avatar is permitted. After that regulations came stating no more animated avatars allowed other than the one that were in use.

Yes, I know. It hurts my eye-balls. I was just fucking with you bud. :D

Waah, waah. I'm entitled to my signature campaign peanuts!

You can be removed from a campaign for any reason. There's no "contract"... unless you think that Steve deserves a flag for violating it?

The rates are OK now but I've noticed the contest bonus has been removed and still there are section limitations which make it difficult for users. Rest, it is a lot better than earlier terms but same pay for all users makes it unfair for Legendary members and more beneficial for member ranks as there is no limit on the number of participants that join. There would be many junior ranks joining this campaign due to the higher pay rate.

As per the spreadsheet, the number of participants has reduced from 132 to 28 which is a very good sign. Good luck! :)

Edit: Hope there is no payment link rule now as it's better to directly deposit the money in the users' account rather than make them claim it. Many time members may not be aware to claim the money. Had already notified you about the same but kindly consider it.

I think the proper butthurt way of dealing with being fired from a campaign is to launch a frivolous scam accusation against the campaign manager. Let's hope Steve didn't move two similar Bitcoin amounts within the same month because that would be "proof" of something.

/s because I don't have one in my sig anymore.

Thanks for being part of this campaing for some weeks and for replying attentively all my questions during this time, I also extend this gratitude to other members who were in contact at some point.
With that said, I don't understand what is the reason behind the exclusion of so many campaign members: if posts quality was taken in consideration it makes no sense, as there are members who were kept on the campaign and have the same posts quality (or lower) than others who were removed.

The campaign manager has the right to remove anyone he wants or to follow the orders to remove from who he wants, but I have to point this observation, otherwise the few who were kept will be considered the excellent posters, while all the rest will be put on the same garbage can as junk, what isn't true and isn't fair.

It's good move that you finally decided to clean-up campaign. I just want to add my 2 satoshis about your payment rates. I can't say that people now are complaining about higher payment rates, they just find it unusual that rates are same for every rank. My opinion why rates should be different for every rank:
Hero/Legendary members been here much longer than Jr. Members and it's likely that they have better knowledge about crypto and can make better posts. Offcourse, there are many lower ranked members who can make great posts and deserves to get paid well.
Hero/Legendary signatures are more effective than Jr. Member or Member. It's bigger, colourful and more visible. I have no doubts that these signatures gives much better results for advertiser and high ranked users are more beneficial for yur website.
But offcourse, you're the boss here and you decide what is best for your website. If I recall correctly, your campaign isn't first with same rates for all members. For example, Bitmixer campaign paid 0.0007 BTC per post for every rank. Only difference that they only accepted high ranked members starting with Sr. Mmember. Probably there was more campaigns, but I can't remember their names now.

From my knowledge most participants were kicked.

Not sure if you are one from them,you can ask about this in their signature campaign thread and hope there will be a reply. :D

So why are you commenting about it ? lol

It's so fuckin impossible to keep everyone happy at the same time. First, spam was the problem and now everyone is whining about the pay-rates. No one is forcing you to join the campaign if you don't like the rates or the rules move on. I like the new rules but the 100 minimum count should probably go away as that is not a clear indication of a good post.

This is nice move Steve   :)

I have just seen the new changes and everything seems Okay now. People won't have to over post in order to get more sats like it was before. The much more improved pay rate will be a good motivation to reduce spam among the participants.

As, for the equal pay on all participants... I think it's actually cool. Most people here think that lower ranked members are always shit posters but i have seen higher ranked members post garbage too. And the higher pay rate for low ranked members means that they will be encouraged to make even much better posts if they want to stay in the campaign.

The main issue was spamming and not pay rate, Those who feel that their higher ranked accounts can not get the same pay rates as lower rank Members could just opt out of the campaign. I mean it optional to participate or leave. Just do your thing  ;)

I am glad you are making some positive changes to your campaign. Provided you can monitor your participants, your campaign shouldn’t generate too much spam (and harm to the forum).

I will withdraw my request to have your signatures banned. Although I will continue to allow anyone to continue posting in the thread for now.

This is not correct section. It will be better if you ask this question in your signature campaign thread, there you will find answers from those users who might interested in joining your campaign. (users can suggest you this on while applying).
Many people may find this as clickbait promotion.

You should add this spreadsheet in your signature thread. New applicants can check how previous weeks were gone.
I saw only one member earned 0.005BTC+ with 105 posts and he is Hero member. There are many other campaigns which pays more than 0.01BTC for 30 Min post to Hero member.

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It seems you focus on Quantity rather than Quality. You may think more posts can get you more users. This is not like that, if posts quality are good then it attracts more users towards the post and it provides attention to your signatures.


My suggestions (I prefer Quality)
Mini & Maximum paid post: 40 to 60
Weekly payment: 0.01 BTC for all member ( I am not against higher member, just because of merit all members are trying to post quality posts, so if posts of higher and lower members are having same quality then why we should pay less to lower member and high member) (Yeah, sometime HM are more useful)
Minimum Character: 70


I would like to join your camp but I am not eligible one, soon I will get my rank up. ;)

This is a really good move of Stephen in this campaign, I admit that, and for sure many members of this forum will agree on this too.

I was part of this campaign since the first-day of June so I am 2 weeks in the signature campaign. It maybe sounded like early judgment but working with dose ( Stephen's assistant in the campaign ) and Stephen is a real deal to me.
When it comes in payment Stephen always gives us information about it, when to claim it and if we have a problem in it just contact him. For the past 2 weeks, I didn't see any complaints about it. Kudos to this campaign manager.
When it comes in posting I take it seriously, joining in their contests made me feel like I am helping the forum to grow more. I am not that so good poster but I believe I am not spamming the forum in the past 2 weeks or even when I am just starting to post in this forum. I just feel to say this to all of you with all my respect. I'm glad that I became part of this campaign and I would love to be a part of this campaign continuously.
I know it will take a time for other members of this forum to trust the campaign due to some spammers but I will continuously give all my best to prove myself that I am not a spammer of this forum, I just feel today that all of the posts that I did in the last 2 weeks were not valuable due to that fact that I am no longer in the campaign.

I just want y'all to know that I believe I deserve to be part of this campaign again, not just to make benefit from it but also to prove that I am not one of those spammers and to continuously provide information that I know for those who need.

Good day to all of you.  :)

Each campaign get to make their decisions on what they want to pay and it's up to users to join if they find it good enough, not all campaigns can afford what other big campaigns pay, I was in a campaign as a Member ranked users and earned 0.006 BTC on a weekly basis, meanwhile there are other several campaigns that doesn't even pay Legendary members that much.

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The only feedback I can give as well would be that there should be some differences between the pay rates across ranks, and there should be a minimum number of post required weekly so that you don't keep inactive users in the campaign.

If you prefer quality, then why are you suggesting him to put a minimum amount of posts per week? 40/week is a pretty big number for many people, and this will only incentive them to spam up to the minimum so they can get paid. :)

You are suggesting  0.01 BTC per participating member yet according to last week's total payment for all members, it was just roughly 0.07 BTC  :o

If their budget is within the range of 0.07 to 0.1 BTC as total pay out per week, then they will have to only accept very few participants(between 7 and 10 chaps) which we all know won't be fair to them and other people looking to join their campaign including you  ;)

Good improvement for the rules, hopefully this will minimize the spam problem in the forum.

I can say that it's the most generous pay for the lower rank, and also hopefully this lower ranks will be inspired to make good post as this opportunity is not present all the time, good posts can also help them as they might be awarded with merits which would help them to rank up. It's a win-win.

Seems like Steve will be more strict in monitoring the participants performance in this campaign.

Yeah... let's make good posts for the good for the forum.

actually, i still don't know what the criteria he made to choose the current member?
because of the active member and the most member receive rewards from HQ POST from the contest still got removed,
can @SteveStake share what the criteria for him to choose the current member? is it because the current member made a less post from the other?

I hope nobody gets angry at my post here. The way I am seeing it is that Steve is just using his own discretion in choosing who remains and who to kick in the campaign. I was kicked too but I am not complaining all because I decided to left even before Steve decided not to pick me...for the reason that I am afraid to be banned here. And I think we have to respect the decision of the campaign manager no matter how unacceptable it maybe.

It is indeed a nice move by Steve and as long as Steve is able to throw out spammer from his campaign then I guess how much and how Steve is paying is not our business at all.

Good luck Steve to you, your business and people enrolled in your campaign.

Change is good as it helps you to revive and make some decisions which can help the company as well in the long run.

Couple of my observations:-

Instead of having standard pay rate for all member rank you can segregate the pay rate based on rank.
Instead of having max post 10 per day can reduce to 8 and can make max to 32.
If it permits you can increase the members for this campaign to max 50 or can increase slowly as whatever suits it.

I am also happy that despite my criticisms of certain sensitive topics at Bitcointalk the OGs of the forum have decided to give me a chance and continue with this campaign. While I was thinking of leaving this campaign, I decided to stay as the pay rate is better and it looks like the mood toward this campaign has changed as well.

Anyway, I appreciate the feedback and am working to improve the quality of my posts. From now on it's just about quality all the way, and the new pay structure in my view incentivizes that.

Have a look, I think these are quality post . I can share my some post link in below:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5146688.msg51357311#msg51357311

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5150549.msg51342817#msg51342817

Good to see that there is a changes for this signature campaign. This 100 min characters will reduce the spam. I think it's all good now, or maybe it could be even better if people in this campaign will spread their posts on the whole week. 

Because of the reason that steve will only accept participants in here, I want to regain my position in this campaign. Since I think that I'm making good quality post while being in this campaign. Safe to say, the basis of a quality post is having merits. I received many of those and I received on different known people in this forum.

The probable answer for quickseller in putting my name on his list is this: Ask these people:dbshck(staff) (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=153634), asu(top 3 merited user) (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=519783),  crwth(DT1 if I'm not mistaken) (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=914465), cabalism13 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1605387).

The campaign of stake.com is looking good now and it changed for the better. I would like to join again. No spam, quality post will come.

It is good that you change the pay rates and making it higher than possible I only wish you can bring back the Bitcoin payment since there is no limit with the number of posts but that is your decision and I respect that,

And now that it has a limit on the last week limitless post I guess it will sure prevent spam's and burst posts, Since I have suggested it in the past on Telegram when I am only starting on the Campaign, There are many users that are contradicting this because they prefer posting without limit, So I keep my silent back then,

And I have seen that many are not in favor with the same rank payments but I am cool with it and it is still your decision if you would change it or not, well past is past and I guess you have done a great move regarding this,


I have seen that a lot of members had been removed even some good quality posters but overall a lot had been removed and again it is your call as a campaign manager and I am thankful because I am still in the campaign, I will do my best and strive even harder,

A lot of people are saying the pay rate shouldn't be the same for all members. Is this because you believe if I make different rates based on rank then the rate will go higher for upper ranks? The only thing having a different pay rate will do is take money away from the lower ranks, it won't change anything for Legendary/Hero.

They are just suggesting rank based pay rates because higher the rank more the signature space you get.

But it depends on the one who manages it and I too don't think same pay rate for all the campaign participants which give space for HQ low ranked poster to earn same as HQ high ranked member.

 Steve really is one different manager I have never seen this before but glad that he increase the pay rate, there are people reapplying I wonder if Steve will accept them again or give them a second chance if I'm on his shoes I'll take a chance on new applicants but there are good posters that were dropped also I guess they also deserve second chance.

Steve has addressed all the issues about Stake.com and has come out a new rules and a new pay rate, I think it's time that we show respect to the guy on his decisions to drop a lot of participants and how the pay rate is structured, let's now move on things will change for the better
let's give it to the guy who can listen and come out with a hard decision like this.

You should ask him if it is ok there are a lot of participants that were dropped in the list that are wearing avatar like you, it's hard for new participants to wear that new avatar because it will not work anymore, the team might reconsider you because of the avatar you are wearing but of course your posting history will be a big factor..

Sure. But it is hard to contact team both in telegram and on this forum.
They are spammed after recent changes.
I can't even tell Steven about a small payment issue because everything is spammed lol.

Have you considered the number of posts made in the past? If I wanted to join, you'd pay me the same for my main account as you'd pay for LoyceMobile (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1903546), despite the fact that my main account has 24 times more posts, and thus displays the signature 24 times more.

I think the main reason to  pay more for higher ranks is that you can put real links in higher rank sigs (I think Jr and Member cant put links, just text, and for google this makes a difference). Higher ranks allows better visibility also.

I never thought much about number of posts. Do spammers have higher than normal number of posts?this could be an interesting statistic. I think more veteran users usually have a higher number of posts.

Since when are old posts receiving the same amount of views like new posts ?
I would not deny that higher post count will get more displays in total but surely not counting it 1:1

Best chance to know the answer is wait for the Final announcement, based on the spreadsheet published in the OP, no new members were added yet, so I guess there's no final decision made yet.

I believe not all who got remove are spammers, so basically, they should be given a chance to work with stake again since some of them are really loyal to the campaign, and that loyalty if you are lucky to be selected again, will be compensated with a better rate.

Rate per post only has increase since max post were down to 30, so that would still lessen members income here compared to what they earned in the past which they can make over 100 posts a week, even if it's already spammy.

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Agree, but if stake values more the post quality over the signature visibility,  then the new rate is just fair and reasonable.

I haven't found my name on the list of members, so I'm gonna ask you why?  :o
My messages can't be called spam. You won't get 192 merit for spam.
So why was I removed?
I hope this is just a misunderstanding. :-[

Steve just don't tell us how they pick the members because if you see the winner contest for HQ post in the past like Ailmand and Genemind that usually won the contest still got kicked

As you can see @SteveStake you can never make everyone happy. Users always find something to complain about.

I personally didn't have a problem with the number of users in your campaign but the participants that were in it. With a large number of participants there will be a few spammers, that's a given IMO. It just looked as though noone was doing any sort of quality control which is why so many others offered services.

The issue of paying all users the same is a different approach but I can't say the reasoning behind it is no good. Great point with the fact that no matter the rank a Newbie could be a better poster than a Legendary.

Users have just always seen pay increases the higher the rank. Kinda like they earned the right to earn more. They have put in the work to rank up. Now more then ever because it's so hard for some to get those golden merits.

Kudos on cleaning up the campaign and as long as you show you are doing your job(like now) then most users will not or should not have any issues with Stake.

Side note, would users quit pestering him about hiring me or any other manager. If they wanted a manager to help or take over, they woulda contacted 1 of the many that offered. The fact that he cleaned house shows me alot and he probably has it under control. I appreciate the referral but this thread has nothing to do with that stuff.

Ps I must've gone crazy. Did anyone else see I merited Thule lol. Who knew he could make a decent post with a point without going ape on someone.

The new changes in the campaign are innovative, I believe that leaving the same payment rate for all ranges not only eliminates spam, but also gives relevance to each publication that carries the stake signature, and this in turn makes the level of bitcointalk continue to increase.

Can't see the Spreadsheet? Are they done? What I've meant is, have they quit running this Campaign? Can't also find the announcement on when they will start accepting applications. ???

Here you can find : https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/127282xBJq5UtDH9vI8U96GNxBWN_3-3o-P6vTT44Fec/edit#gid=380619948

Not sure they are accepting participants or not but still they left the campaign thread as for everyone so people keep applying. ::)

There used to be 27 (IIRC) which turned to 28. So, we know that users are still being accepted, but on a far stricter basis. :)

No, when they announced their new signature participants, there are 27 people and still same until now. Look more carefully, there is no one placed on row no. 1, as franckuestein placed on row no.2

My bad. Combine a headache and mobiles screens, you'll get my stupidity. ::)

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I will usually read the posts from people who produce higher-quality content, anyway. The signature has nothing to do with it: if you can't get me to the page, then it doesn't matter how nice your signature might look.

The key point to consider is that though some users may not have a high rank at the moment, the bottleneck may not be merit but rather activity. If there are consistent and polished replies posted by a user then certainly they deserve as much as they could be getting had they began posting earlier. I would almost call this analogous to paying someone for their skill rather than their experience - akin to hacker ethic.

 :'(

actmyname- My bad. Combine a headache and mobiles screens, you'll get my stupidity. Roll Eyes

Why are you apologizing, you didnt even ask a question  ???

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Apologies imply questions?

I work with Steve not so long ago, but as a manager, he completely suits me. He makes timely payments, actively and quickly answers questions. Steve is really not indifferent to the participants of the company, he sincerely tries to make the company accessible to everyone without restrictions, gives the opportunity to participate to those who speak English poorly (in most other companies, posts on local boards don't count). Yes, the company, of course, has flaws, but Steve is working on it. Let's be a little more indulgent so that a person would not have lost the desire to be a manager

Despite having corrected the many issues, let's not start spouting falsities. The fault was not with the company... Stake delegated the responsibility of campaign management to Steve. The spam was his responsibility.

Now that he's changed to more restrictive requirements, this is better. But don't act like Steve did nothing wrong. :)

Its sad that despite all the good efforts this campaign got closed. I already told that the Gang will not allow this campaign to run by another manager.
That's the purpose of the gang members, to keep the control   :(

I'll bite: who's "the Gang", and how did they get to Stunna (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=81292)? He doesn't strike me as the guy who's afraid of "the Gang". I asked Stunna to check the thread (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5111069.msg49798352#msg49798352) 4 months ago. Does that make me part of "the Gang"?

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I'm a bit surprised though to see it closed this quickly, after the changes made to improve the campaign.

The thread was updated to "closed" but there was no official statement from steve so I presume that they would close the old thread to create a new one.

Its gone mate... There was an update on the Telegram group.

Correlation is not causation. The lack of pirates did not cause the dot com bubble.

This is the conspiracy theory angle. I think most people just wanted Steve/Stake to do their job properly and stop the appalling level of spam coming from their campaign. It's a shame they shut the campaign down because the clean-up they did looked to have solved the problem but if they'd have done this from the start nobody would have had anything to complain about in the first place.

It's silly to make changes and then shut down the campaign. Looks like they couldn't even take criticism and try to work on their campaign rules to run a smooth campaign. The message also sounds so immature that they can't do anything to make everyone happy.

Here's a good example of exactly what I'm talking about. I close the campaign and still someone finds a way to be truly upset. People are now upset over a campaign that no longer exists. I can't make everyone happy when there's an entire forum telling me what I have to do with my own campaign. Even after the last change I was getting more complaints than ever so I don't mind just closing it because signature space has little value at the end of the day anyways. It was good before but what does it mean when majority of people here are only here to try and make money off their signature? There's endless campaigns to join now and for each new one that opens up they all lose a little value and get lost a little more in the crowd of signatures.

On behalf of the forum let me thank you for the privilege to host your esteemed advertisers. It was an amazing once-in-a-lifetime (hopefully) opportunity.

Thanks for all of your support along the way