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2016-2019 the WAVES community was promised a swap of Sasha Ivanovs old NXT ICOs.
Until today nothing has happened and a community member started to distribute INDEX and CRYPTOFUND nxt assets to alot of members.
www.longlivesasha.com
Now came a answer from Petr Korotin (Waves Manager) that says:

"We are thrilled to announce that all the tokens from the latest revealed list are being swapped successfully and every holder received $WCT (Waves Community Token) in exchange for them."

This is a lie, until now nobody received something for their COINOMAT, CRYPTOFUND, INDEX, NEXT nxt assets.

Sasha therefore will keep the funds for himself.

The old nxt assets are still traded on Nxt Dex.

https://nxtforum.org/cryptoasset-fund-projects/coinomat-assets/

https://steemit.com/waves/@tecem/the-n-e-xt-chapter-in-the-nxt-asset-swap-to-wavesplatform

Thats what Petr Korotin wrote, and its a straight out lie. Nobody of the old investors got something:
"We are thrilled to announce that all the tokens from the latest revealed list are being swapped successfully and every holder received $WCT (Waves Community Token) in exchange for them.
In case you've been a long-time holder of any NXT asset and would like to learn more about the procedure of swap in your particular case, then just email us via: pkorotin@wavesplatform.com
Each case will be considered separately and the final decision will be based mostly on the duration of an asset holding in your wallet. To be more precisely, you need to hold any of your NXT asset since 2016 in order to be eligible for the swap."

Please, if there is a old investor here, can you write how you feel about this scam ?

Sasha didnt swap INDEX which is probably the most successful ETF of all time, its worth millions

My index and cryptofund is also not swapped yet. They say I am not a long time holder!

Questions in waves TG channel regarding this are forwarded to this Petr. He comes with copy paste answers which are incorrect, as stated. If one tries to find out more in mainchannel, posts are deleted and a ban is the result.


https://mobile.twitter.com/terricrepo

Yes, they're banning everybody who asks on waves telegram channel.

Also, Mr Ivanov promised to get his enterprise edition of waves, named Vostok at that time, on multiple exchanges. He promised a public sale, by using waves only, with minimum of 1,60$.
Guess what, after hyping and lying about projects using vostok, he sold it all! Leaving his hardcore believers and cummunity in the dark. Vostok is now doing 0.08$ No multiple exchanges, no projects, no guaranteed 1,60$ BUT... he has enriched himself by 120million.
Be aware, be very aware by this dubious CEO.

I dont understand why they swap their asset only from old users? In my mind it should be 100% swapped and burned

Because that way they will earn, simple.
If you just discard some swapps, you dont have to give away money.
Just business, made personal.

Old holders haven't got the swap either...

But it hurts their image. A measly <600 BTC as i remember :-\

I don't think this is the right section for your thread. Speculation topic is for speculating. Maybe your topic will get more eyes in the altcoin discussion section or better yet, post a reply in the Waves announcement section. Moderators might put this into the scam accusation section.

Yes, didn't received anything yet. And now his "community manager" is threaten me like a dog.

Waiting for a community meeting in A'dam, like it to meet Sasha 😏

Waves is lying and censoring us, we need to spread the word and warn people about trusting in Sasha Ivanov.

They've been promising this swapping for years and up to this day its yet not happening. Sasha must have been protecting NXT from collapsing too, you can see what would happening if its all going to be done while its on its brink of dying. Even waves isn't one of the best project to come in mind right now that there are lots of platforms best used for developing projects.

But, buddy. Who will read your message in Bitcointalk except Wave holders? Try to post in their announcement thread or even in their sub-Reddit. Another venue would be Twitter. A lot of more crypto peeps use Twitter.

I'll do it.Many thanks :)

Ouch.  I guess this shouldn't surprise me, ive always been critical of sasha, he always seems to pull stuff like this, pull the rug out from people after the fact :(
Guy's arrogant and dosent care about the common man and the people that made him his money, thats for sure : /
Thx for the heads up on this man, here's hoping for a positive outcome for investors as this progresses

Well, something new is in progress for me Ivanov, another moneygrab crowdfunding for his Tokenomica. Yes, apparently he needs more funds, remarkably while it used to be on Waves' roadmap for a long time.
Mind you, mr Ivanov is sitting on 30k btc ico for waves and 120million for selling Vostok. Apart from all btc forks we can conclude he is worth around 500million$. He wabts more, and by not swapping NXT assets he gives the impression he wants it all.

you all post this on waves thread, i remember he also mentioned this there but were not tackled again for years. i'm a waves holder too, but things like this should have been addressed longtime ago before he does some more sidechains. NXT assets is actually hard to use for a newbie, so it deserves attention.


no projects right now receives that much of funds from investors. its just crazy that he just kept it for himself.

The management does not want to enclose details how ico funds is spent, nor how much of it is left.
Some funds were reserved for marketing, but the amount of marketing is laughable.
Just saying, draw your own conclusions.

Thats Sasha Ivanovs last email to the nxt holders 11.06.2019, and now his manager closes the case and says the swap has been done = straight lie !!


"Dear fellow NXT-ers, as you know I have announced a swap for some outstanding assets that had been issued on NXT chain and were not swapped into Waves tokens during corresponding swap procedure.

We have received a rather negative feedback from community, asset holders who missed Waves swap probably feel a little disappointed. On the other hand, the swap  has happened already three years ago, and I was pretty sure that most of the people had swapped their tokens into Waves.

I really appreciate NXT and NXT community, it has become a cradle of many established projects, including Waves. So I'd like to make sure that people who supported my projects are happy.

 
Most of the negative reaction was caused by the flat swap rate offered for all tokens. It makes sense to offer custom swap procedure for particular tokens, which takes into account their price during the first Waves swap.


Also different tokens can be offered, beyond WCT.
I will offer custom rates for different tokens, and we'll do custom swaps for each token. Some of the tokens will be even swapped for upcoming tokens on Waves, which should give them some additional exposure. Stay tuned for the specific tokens information!

Sasha35625"

See here as he tweets 1 YEAR ago to send him our emails.

Again, NO SWAP

https://twitter.com/sasha35625/status/1068171197697937408

Here he talks about how important all old COINOMAT asset are for Waves.

In the end he does NO swap at all.

https://nxtforum.org/cryptoasset-fund-projects/coinomat-assets/


This is no Fud btw.

At the WAVES ICO this was his promise:

"Cryptofund asset will be transformed into the Waves foundation asset. Waves foundation will be a kind of a decentralized venture fund, investing in the projects launched on WAVES blockchain.  Waves asset will be the first asset launched on the new WAVES chain."

3.5 YEARS later CRYPTOFUND asset is not even swapped and Petr Korotin says the swap has been done. Congratulations to the WavesTeam, beautiful.

I think this is the reason why the waves began to be abandoned by the community, making it unable to compete with competitors, and even out of the top rankings.

Is it time to show Sasha the respect he deserves?

https://i.imgur.com/X9VMVaY.gif (https://imgbb.com/)

More over the project idea is not really working investors know that they will not be benifited for long term with the project. Besides there are humors that all funds raised in thier ICO  has been used already. Meaning there are no ways they can still survive and adoption is less compare to ETH.

I don’t understand what is happening with the Waves today. Why did they fall so much in price? I bought them as an investor for another 0,00050 satoshi. Now I don’t even know if I can return my money.

Do you know what?

Waves staff and Sasha Ivanov call his own investors "dirty speculators".As an investment Waves is cancer.

Lots of questions about  $waves price. If I were a little younger I'd respond along the lines "f**k off, we have the best tech, price doesn't matter,  you dirty speculators". But I'm not young :) There IS a disconnect between $Waves price and tech. You are to decide what it means
~A. Ivanov~

Sasha sold COINOMAT nxt assets, that are paying out dividends....but soon after the WAVES ICO nobody received any dividends anymore. And suddenly those who traded the asset during 2016-2019 are "dirty speculators" and dont deserve the swap. Sasha Ivanov is playing a very dirty game, because in the end who cares about the holder of the assets, all coins have to be swapped anyhow...but now he has to swap alot less, because guess what: Out of nothing you have to be now a very OLD holder.....i call BS. I call scam. I call every ICO Sasha made on NXT a scam and there is no doubt about that.

what is this??
when did he write it and where? source?

What do you expect for having a forex trader as a CEO, I dont even know what Sasha achieved over the years collecting millions of dollar and come up with s Dex? Yeah, dead exchange that has a very low volume.

Waves has more than just a DEX..
but yea i agree with you, they show some red flags here
i am thinking about what to do next with my coins

On his twitter, he removed it within an hour. Some months ago.
His reaction towards his community while waves price kept tanking.

I have not believed in Sasha Ivanov from the first time since his project was launched, my view is that her vision is too wishing. If the project he was running was right and futuristic, maybe at this time NXT would not be left behind by the community, try to compare it with TRX, TRX technology was widely used by others, otherwise what happened to NXT? rebranding, for assets, I think it's all to divert public attention to the existence of NXT.

- Did you know why Sasha build WAVESplatform ?

Its because of his old NXT projects, he needed a trustworthy platform, because Nxt changed many times the codes without notice.

- Did you know where the money came from to make the WAVES ICO ?

It came from the last ICOs for the old Nxt projects.

- Did you know that he promised in the last 3.5 years to swap those old NXT projects into WAVESprojects and that it did not happen until now?

Wait ! I gets better than that !

- Did you know that he now claims that all the old Nxt project tokens were swapped ?????

Nobody got anything for their COINOMAT, CRYPTOFUND, NEXT, INDEX, INDEXREV.

-Did you know that INDEX is an ETF holding Altcoins that are worth more then 10 million $ ?

But not a word since 2016 about this nxt token. Holders will give up, Sasha is sure about that.


Welcome to crypto, the only place people like Sasha Ivanov can exist.

It's an obvious trick to manipulate information and pretend that they do not cheat.
It depends on them who they will call the long time holder. They can say that it is a user who holds coins for 6 months or 6 years. Nobody can do anything with that, and they will be able to say that they paid out to everyone who met the conditions. Of course, they'll keep most of the money and the case will slowly be forgotten over time.

The thing is that they didn't do the swap, not even for "old holders" whatever that means.

They are stealing peoples money!!!

The theft started in 2013 when Sasha made the first COINOMAT ICO, then came the second COINOMAT 1 ICO.

Then came the promise to have a COINOMAT asset on Waves.

And now its: "Thank you, the swap was successful"

I never would have thought, that somebody as famous as Sasha Ivanov could make a scam,

but voila, he did it with CRYPTOFUND too

and with NEXT too

and with INDEX too

That means if he is a real scammer right now. I just saw sasha had made a tweet back in march about the coinomat asset swap. I believe that kind of a trick that has already used to make the investor's of scam asset feel comfort from being so loudly spread the word of scam to the sasha and investor would shut up for that.

This kind of trick has already used by so many scam icos and developers. That is not something new in the crypto.

They really did it a lot of time so don't expect that when they would say something again that would patch your broken expectations to not feel like being scammed. Those strategy for scamming has been done a million times by most bounty managers/developers.

Unfortunately, but money often blinds people and makes them lose their mind.
I still believe that this is just a misunderstanding and in a moment Sasha will publish a Tweet in the style of April Fools.
I think he should be aware of the consequences that may have ...

I did not think that could cynically insult investors. On people like us, this project is based. Now I would not invest in Waves, but it’s too late.

Sorry for you.Take care.

https://steemit.com/waves/@tecem/the-n-e-xt-chapter-in-the-nxt-asset-swap-to-wavesplatform

thank you for enlightment.

Wow, what a piece of garbage! Sasha hyped Waves a while back, sending the price to $4 - he was publicly rebuked in the crypto media for that behaviour. "GREAT NEWS TOMORROW, GUYS" (or words to that effect), and the price skyrocketed upwards. "MORE GREAT NEWS!", etc. He's happy to financially ruin others who buy - at a higher price - junk that will come crashing down.

You can tell he's a rich bastard cut off from reality - some of these "dirty speculators" are relatively impoverished people desperate for something in life - they can't afford to hodl shit!

"coincheckup" gives Waves a management team strength of 8% - rather generous, I think.

Sasha is just plain wrong to think that having good technology leads to success in the long term. He clearly knows nothing about Gary Kildall, who wrote quality operating systems, and dominated the personal computer operating system market in the early days. So, how did Bill Gates - a man who has NEVER WRITTEN AN OS IN HIS LIFE (or any program worthy of note) - end up with the PC desktop monopoly and so much money?  The full story is in the paperback edition of "They Made America" by Harold Evans. Gates also spread lies about Kildall to make him look bad. Gates' philanthropy is not what it seems, either.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tdj8gh9GPc4 - unlike you, Sasha, Gary Kildall treated people decently.

Waves is heading towards oblivion. It can have the best tech there is, but if no one knows about it, if no one uses it, it's going nowhere - as is its price & development budget! - while its inferior competitors take over.

Why did you do an ICO, Sasha, if you hate "dirty speculators" so much - THEY MADE YOU FILTHY RICH FOR DOING NOTHING, you two-faced hypocritical bastard!  >:(

Any burning questions, guys? LoL, you will get banned, I guess.

Sasha, a megalomaniac and narcissist! Who needs to be a "dirty speculator" when you've just carried out a crypto-heist and stolen hundreds of millions of dollars from those you despise! >:(

I believe Sasha Ivanov has an account here. I forgot the username of his account on this forum but I am sure he has. I don't know if the man is still active though. But if he is, he should just give a little statement here to clarify everything once and for all, in any case this is not good for the image and reputation of the man and his Waves project. It will make Waves dirty if this will be left unattended. I hope this will be addressed sooner or later.

All Coinomat victims should ask Sasha about the asset swap at his AMA

I bet he won't answer anything from questions coming from real investors and they will pick questions from their own members like they always do. I started to hate this person and its projects as we can clearly see he has almost 0 ideas of how to run a project and making it a success ...remember 2016 ? when he promises a lot of features and being an ETH competitor ...now look at waves how it became a joke and investors are gone 1 by 1.

I do hope he will provide some real answers regarding NXT swap, buying back project , management leaders and how they ruined the project because so far its kinda look like a dead project.

SCAM! I lost 2 BTC (https://www.blockchain.com/btc/tx/72c168445e105abf9e704a77b5048d4c53af20c1ecd230ddafa398c3574b9b0e) in this shit-coin, and they can not turn it back within 1 year.
Only losses, after dumps and sell their premine-instamine.

After all official coinomat's WUSD and WEUR tokens was been scammed,
and I lost my last liquid asset - 7k WUSD ($7000).
They cann't pay this back within 3 months, after SCAM.

180 peoples in the command cann't turn back $18k (2 BTC) within 1 year. Fucking bums!

SCAM! SCAM! SCAM!

if Waves is a scam, why is their community so strong? Their Fud channel has been deleted, I don't know this truth, but in my opinion Waves is indeed very potential

They are pro scammers, ask a monkey which coin to invest into and it sure will be safer than investing in waveScam.

I believe that Ivanov needs to do a lot of work to advance the Waves to a more worthy place in the cryptocurrency market. Today, the main advantages of the wave are its very high transaction speed, but in my opinion, security is very weak. In addition, trading volumes on exchanges still look very attractive, but it is worth noting that new projects have become very little interested in Waves and in the interest rating, Waves have dropped below 40th place.
but, frankly, this whole platform looks very dysfunctional and it seems to me that it will be very difficult to attract the interest of other companies and investors.

Maybe, just because the theft of money from traders,
is worth the time, which has been spent,
for development of this SCAM?

In fact, apart from moderations, you really will not see a strong community there.
These homeless people are not able to pay back $7k in three months,
and 2 BTC in a year - they can only steal the traders money,
by using their dirty manipulations,
then they can just keep hold it, or lost it, but not turn it back!
This money back is very difficult for them, if this money back is possible in principle. But for deposits - no problems!

And while a normal exchanges allow the automatic withdrawals,
and exchsnge, without any problems, and for all traders,
they just prefer to close trading (https://waves.exchange/trade/cUSD_cEUR) (here, the tickers cUSD and cEUR - this is WUSD, and WEUR, because the same AssetID's (https://waves.exchange/trade/Ft8X1v1LTa1ABafufpaCWyVj8KkaxUWE6xBhW6sNFJck_Gtb1WRznfchDnTh37ezoDTJ4wcoKaRsKqKjJjy7nm2zU))
for official WavesPlatform fiat-associated assets - WUSD (https://dev.pywaves.org/assets/Ft8X1v1LTa1ABafufpaCWyVj8KkaxUWE6xBhW6sNFJck) and WEUR (https://dev.pywaves.org/assets/Gtb1WRznfchDnTh37ezoDTJ4wcoKaRsKqKjJjy7nm2zU),
which was been liquid from 2016 year (https://coincodex.com/crypto/wusd/?period=ALL),
and do this closing, without any swaps,
moreover - after dump the price of this,
and just sit with our money - within 3 months,
and moreover - regularly do the moderations of all problems about this assets!

SCAM! SCAM! SCAM!
Let them, to do mining 100 clear bitcoins, for me.

Most of the managers are practicing lies than nothing good for investors, this process of swapping had cause misunderstanding, misinterpretation between investors and traders meanwhile the teams keeps lying and frustrating investors. That's bad.

You wont be expecting something good from waves -> old coin especially when it is being managed by a forex trader.
If you also noticed old coins/tokens are slowly dropping away which means newer coins/tokens are replacing them because the old ones have the same weakness.
blockchain will develop those older models will be replaced by better versions.

I haven't followed the story about the NXT swap very close. But you can meet Sasha at various events. Has anyone ever tried that and confronted him with the NXT Assets?

If there is a problem among the waves team that is causing misunderstanding between investors I think the CEO Sasha should immediately rectify it but as for waves been an old coin and dropping slowly that's shouldn't be the case because we still have several old coins that are doing way better than the new ones, most of all the top 100 on cmc are old coins and people still trust them.

Sasha not answering within 3 months (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3223136.msg54390950#msg54390950),
after his coinomat did scam people on WUSD and WEUR...
In the chat on waves-exchange, you can see only moderations,
if you say something about your own money, or turn back it.
Maximum what you can take from them - this is a link on coinomat site,
and recomendations to contact them by email.
But no any answer within 3 months.
No money, no swaps, and just illiquid WUSD on account balance.

I think, this is not a coin! This is just a fake market and bubble,
and the advertising buying for already stoled money
just for stoling a more another trader's money.
SCAM! SCAM! SCAM! SCAM! SCAM!