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investors are invading some exchanges why not developers? i know listing fee can be huge but few exchanges are just scam practitioners, developers should take their time to check out scam accusation thread on this forum and see how many people are been ripped off by these so called exchanges e.g idax p2pb2b among others

It is easier to determine a project that has potential than to conceptualize one. This is why most investors are smarter today than developers. Back then it was easy for developers to just create mumbo jumbo writeups about a project and people will rush to buy it but now, investors do a lot more research on projects and ask relevant questions too before they decide to invest

'There is a major twist in your understanding of things, majority of the projects are made just to make money and all they want is to collect money from investors and then run away with it and then they move on to other projects and some of these exchanges aides these scam projects and people are not dumb like they used to be in the past as people usually would test these projects in the past but not anymore. If you are coming up with a great project which has some real use then it will succeed and it will get listed in top exchanges and you cannot find many projects in this market that are promising.

Well i guess part of the problem is as a result of the pressure experience by some devs in the hands of impatient investors, this is among the reason why some dev feel the need to list in any exchange without any proper research or investigation, this could not be the major reason but it is some how part of the reason, it is very important to carry out extensive research on exchanges as well before listing for the benefit of that project, it shouldn't be investors alone that would carry out a research even dev teams are obligated to do this.

Because there are project owners or dev did not serious on their projects. Once they will be raising their fund and hit the target sales they will disappear just like what happen those exchange bounty that I participated before. They can develop if they want but the problem is they have been lost of interest. To be honest, I am tired of investing in exchange bounty project because usually are scams.

Getting the developer's token to be listed on an exchange will bet to the usecase of the token and its potential which is also calculated by the exchange whether they profit from it. For scammy exchange though like P2PB2B partnering with a project to launch IEO is also prepared most likely just to scam. The team and the exchange partner-up to scam investors.

You are right. We can easily say that investors have seen it all. They have been around for long to know that the jargons and sophisticated words thrown around into whitepaper doesn't transform automatically to profits or depict a sensible project devoid of scam.

Exchanges cannot run on their own without any fees from the projects. If somebody is claiming for free, then probably they are going to runaway with most of the money from the traders. We have to extremely careful with such exchanges.

Investors learn by reading, researching and loosing lots of fund which causes a restructure in how you trade or invest.
But for developers,  its not about learning alone, you need to have a deep understanding of what you are developing, how to sustain it and also how to evolve with the space and ensure its existence.

There will always be lapses in crypto, which is why keeping your investment on cold storage is the safest means.

The truth is that majority of developers prefer to list on free listing terms, giving some percentage of their token to the exchange (mainly exchanges with low reputation).  What baffles me is that some start-ups will raise huge amount of funds during token sale, yet they still prefer free or very cheap listing on exchanges with low reputation and trading volume. Developers need to update their game, it's a good thing investors are now very skeptical when making investment decisions.

The whole truth is, even some of the developers are looking for ways to dump the project or ways to make money off investors or ways to exit scam. Most projects will purposely list on a bad exchange and then look for excuse to cover up why they are listing there, now since these exchanges aren't adequate enough to help any project grow the project will end up dying and the developers will find another excuse and then abandon the project. This is just the circle of things happening in this space, go on telegram and see many groups turning to spam groups and projects which was once listed dying off. Only few projects are really trying their best.

For permissionsless cryptocurrencies you dont need anyone's permission to use them or put on your exchange. Anyone can do it and they do to earn profit from different fees.

If the developers consider about the project except making money, maybe they can succeed. Everything is fine until the money is collected, promises are given, everyone is treated well, but the result ends with the listing in shit exchange and the disappearance of group admins. I agree, maybe they do not have enough money, but that does not mean they can bankrupt project. This should not be the case if they value their own projects.

Developer only try to keep their product survive, meaning they should keep create solutions to help customers with their problems. They also use many strategy to make customers use their product ( coin ) and never leave them. That's hard work and need knowledge and patient that investor doesn't have, everything has place to go as long they can work together crypto is our future.

Investors are more resourceful of seeing a good project than a more busy developer managing projects than investors who are often looking for information on forums so as not to get stuck on fraudulent projects. If many projects listings it for free I guess they scam and will put a lot of project shitcoins. And although they make payments on listings do not allow for them to flee and commit fraud. It's weird when they already have long experience and a good real team why do scams like losers? Maybe they are short of money to pay their taxes hahaha

It's not hard to declare some exchange is scam or potentially become s scammer. For example : giving some weird rule : we must to deposit much coin for paying gas fee, fake IEO progress bar when they launching IEO on there and much more.

Most successful tokensale may not necessarily be a good exchange at the beginning. Yes because this is also a heavy consideration for developers, wanting to spend money at the beginning by entering a good exchange with expensive fees or entering a mediocre exchange but the funds are not used up.
The consideration may be whether the funds remaining are sufficient or not to run the roadmap. This is what not many people want to understand. I am not supporting the developer but I only position myself when I become a developer. Because the choice between a large exchange and a mediocre exchange there is always a risk.

It also indicates that the developer is not serious about their project, developers who are serious about their project will definitely choose the best exchange for their coins or tokens.

Indeed, some developers just don't care which exchange they will use as long as they will earn in the end of the bargain. Almost all of them are like this, doing and repeating what others have done that slowly killing this industry. And, it really bores me to find another copycat project with very generic objectives. That's why I prefer projects with good use case because of being relevant and useful to the society has great impact in the success of the project and its survival.

because of this, many investors say that sometimes after listing on exchanges, developers leave their projects. this usually happens when a developer does not want to develop a project that they have created. they prioritize their tokens on a cheap market rather than trying to get their tokens into a popular market. I think common things like this are known by developers before they develop their projects.

Many knew this will happen to idax, you are just not aware because before idax ceo took off there have been series of scam hidden very perfectly like scamming new projects that hold IEO on the exchange

I wonder if developers take their time to do their own researches if not they would have known that some exchanges are red flag, i guess all they do here to open ANN page and leave

when you're outside of the game, you can make a good judgment when everything has happened :)
people don't want to lose money, there are even a lot of fomo idax communities and the end is a lot of admin there costs nearly $ 1 million. This is the result that nobody wants, nobody wants to have an unlucky result. so do not try to blame them, sometimes they are good at technology development but they lack strategic advisor so they encounter failure.

Yes, if we see before, there are indeed many developers who are looking for ways to make the project end badly or dying, and therefore many investors are hesitant to start investing in a new project because they are afraid that what they invest ends up being a failure, although not all projects will end in failure, maybe only a few projects that have real use cases and the team that continues to try to develop them will survive and achieve success.

Sometimes developers like to be stubborn because they have told investors about the exchange tricks to enter their tokens. Developers always say that they choose the exchange for some reason.
Investors are smarter because they are always looking for clear information here, always checking the accusation scam thread and some feedback from other members.
So investors are always researching which ones to invest in which will be better.

Investors learn from their previous experienced. As we know many fake project that make investors loss their money , from this accident i am sure they will take important lesson , so in future they will able to identify which is bad project and qualified project.   Meanwhile developer team has no more idea to developt , too many shit projects and duplicaton here.  And if they create same concept investors will not support it.

Indeed, they finally learn from their mistakes and use it as a guide to avoid doing the same mistake. It makes them realized a lot of things that makes them stronger and wiser particularly on making decision on which project to invest because it's clear that there are projects these days that was made to deceive us to get the benefits they wanted. Investors should be more attentive because we don't want to waste our funds for nothing. If it's better to have some research then do it because it can help you determine the best project that is worth it and profitable.

I think they are people who know better than us but they do so intentionally. because right from the start, they created the project not for the purpose of developing it. they created it to take away investor money and pay as little as possible, when all the tasks were done they exit then scam! Projects that target listing on bad exchanges are often fraudulent. stay away from it and never put your money in projects with such poor ideas.

Developers always take the time to research, just not for a long time, because project developers also want to find profits for themselves, so they rarely think of the disappointment experienced by investors.

To be listed for free on exchange you need to be really great project or exchange should be shitty and noname. Thats the rules of the market

Because the developer is also scam, so he doesn't care about it, he cares about how to get money from investors. only that !

the question is, who knows if IDAX would be scam like this?

IDAX is one of large exchange in cryptocurrency, it is already well-known in this space
so most people have their trust to this exchange. but it was broken this time.

I think, it is not developer fault. it is pure exchange fault which has bad intention
so, dont blame dev in this case, looks weird IMO

If the coin is valuable and has good potential then there won't be any need for paying fees for listing the coin on an exchange.
The project must be truly promising so that it grabs attention from the investors and then they will want for it themselves.
Why list on an exchange when the same can be sold from the project's website itself.

The point being, if the coin is good enough then you will not have to go to exchanges for listing the coin.

Many developers are actually scammers and they don't give a damn about what will happen to investors' money. Their main goal is to get the maximum profit from their trash coins.

Who would want to keep losing money to these developers or team? So the investors has to be wise to save themselves from all manner of pains. On the other hand, do you really think a team that values their project will want to list on an exchange that will kill the project? The answer is no, which means these developers or team knows what they are doing, most use it as an excuse to abandon the project. So it's better to be smart until they (developers) gets serious.

Developers sometimes just chase a listing on the stock exchange. And they do not bother to choose the exchange and often they are scammers. But the choice of the exchange is also a very important moment.

The best exchanges don't list the useless project, they prefer quality over quantity. The more people join the crypto ecosystem, the projects also want to get listed on well-known exchanges. The devs should consider the mentioned facts, smart investors will invest their money in the worth project.

I haven't seen any proper crypto developers in recent times. The project admin/CEO keeps saying his developers are working sleepless day night but after a couple of months we see a childish app, nothing else. No uniqueness, same payment or wallet app from most of the projects! So, crypto developers are experts in making wallets and the same type app! Are they out of idea? No new project impress us! But the positive thing is, investors are smart now, they are ignoring all those shit projects to invest in a better and real project. That's a very good change in the crypto industry!

Developers are usually restricted by their budget and therefore have limited options when it comes to listing on an exchange because they usually charge exorbitant fees and are sometimes quite fussy about who they will and won't list but when a project is due to launch that's independent e.g. not an IEO or STO the community should be consulted about where to list it

Some devs cut corners on their product, and sometimes that means not actively taking steps towards getting their project, whether it be a token or coin, listed on a semi-reputable exchange. Doesn't make a ton of sense to me because the cost for listing a coin on an exchange should not be a significant cost compared to how much money many of these projects are still raising even when the alt and crypto markets aren't doing so well in general, but a lot of developers and project managers seem to be more interested in short-term profits than longer-term profit.

Listing fee is not the sole revenue source for the exchanges. Most of their revenue comes from the deposit/withdrawal fee. For example, Yobit charges BTC0.0012 for a Bitcoin withdrawal, while the current fee is somewhere around 1/20th of that amount. Another avenue is the trading fee, but most of the exchanges keep it to a minimal level, so that the users are encouraged to trade more. But no matter how old or large they are, as of now there is no exchange out there which can be trusted completely.

That's typical of a scammer. A smart developer will not aim the money that they can collect it through using the crowdsale of their security token. Smart developers will be aiming to get the product. OP will be complicated to find an intelligent developer because if there are five scam developers, and there will be the only developer that can be trusted in this industry right now.  So many fake developers are aiming to get the money from the crypto market only, and they are becoming an amateur developer that already claimed have an outstanding track record and experience to create a useful product.

They tend to be listed elsewhere where in they can get discounts at the same time said to be listed in an exchange. Some developers only aim to be listed nothing else for them to be considered not a scam ICO. As many ICO projects were getting difficult to list their token. But they should know that they must be listed in trusted exchange to gain investors trust.

I think it's not just a matter of fees for listing in popular markets, but it also depends on the quality of the project. I think the popular market has a requirement for several projects that will be sold in their market. because I think it will also make their reputation worse when they enter tokens from unclear projects.
I think many developers are aware of this and don't mind their products being sold in an unpopular market, and that makes their project look worse than before.

The crypto exchange is important for investors and new token or altcoin holders to be able to trade their tokens, but for developers who only get softcap or don't reach softcap, they will focus on the products they develop, after that I'm sure they will register on the crypto exchange accordingly with the funds they have to register on the exchange

haha, I think you are too naive to make these comments. because only bad projects, also known as scams, they choose bad exchanges to start. We always know that listed on large exchanges must have capital, a good community and good ideas. In the case of fraudulent projects, they do not have those three criteria, so they decided to choose small exchanges to save costs as well as to fulfill their promises.

Scam projects list on small exchanges to fulfill their aims at low cost, if you don't know then you should know that good projects always have good capital and private investors too so it will be easy for them to list on big exchange

Developers have to be choosy on choosing exchange because investors are now taking care on buying a token/coin especially if its listed on a shit exchange. There are good exchanges that only ask for a small fees and that can be the best option for a developer. Small exchanges are too risky for the big investors and the project development must consider this one. Well, I got your point and its really frustrating to see a token on a dying exchange.

Some developers however can't do that, because even they aren't genuine; check this out, how can you develop a project then watch it die? It means there wasn't anything good about the project in the first place. Now on the part of investors, once they try participating in a project and realized it is getting listed or doing IEO on bad exchanges they will just take their leave because they have had past experiences with those exchanges. Like you also pointed out, listing fee can be an issue but there are still good exchanges that doesn't require huge listing fee.

Developers are smart, they know whats they are doing too and many developers are just here to scam people so they will definitely go for crap exchanges to cut short their spendings, newbies should stay away from low exchanges because they always ruin a coin life in a short time

of course being an investor must choose a good exchange, for the project to be invested. if on a bad exchange, then we have a double risk, that is, the project itself and the risk of the exchange. therefore by choosing a project that is in good exchange, it can indicate that the project is good too

If you notice, only scam coins are getting listed into scam exchanges. There can be some exceptions like MTC was listed on hitbtc but as of now it had been delisted. Some times developers choose whatever offers they come cross with the intention of reducing the listing costs. This might be ending up listing scam exchanges. But, a dev team that is caring about their investors will never go on listing with an exchange which had failed to keep their reputation high.

No, not all the projects are good in attracting investors even they are backed with wonderful concepts and showing good progress in developments. As far as I have heard, listing in big exchanges is more than an average project is able to rise through various crowd funding.

They haven't lost as much as investor and moreover they can get free listing from Exchanges and also can scam investors through fake publicity mad sales so they have other means of recovering unlike investors.

If this is the only exchange listed your tokens , there is no way you will not use it, unless you dont want to have money with your tokens.
Many reasons for developer to list it only in unpopular exchange.
 1st they dont want to use so much money for listing.
2. They dont raised  enough fund  in thier ICO.
3. They dont really care to list thier tokens, since its worthless coins.

From my experience i can tell most of developers do not even try to list their token on good exchanges because they want to keep fund for themselves and spend it for personal stuff since most of ICOs has no fund report or spending report for transparency with investors thats why developers always make sure to mention word donation on their white paper
In my opinion developers who ask for icos with millions of dollars are all scam.

That is true, but maybe they wait for a good moment to try list in the good exchanges, so they don't waste their time to expect the market comes with the bull market. I think they will get another solution for listing their token in the exchanges and we need to wait for their announcement or their new update. But let us be careful to choose the project as the investment because we know that the ICO programs are not recommended for the investment right now.

I don't think it's that simple. Despite the listing fee that is quite expensive for some exchanges especially top ones, there must other thing they have to consider before their listing. Even the successful ones, sometimes takes a lot of time before it could be in a good exchanges. As long as the project was proven legit, I don't think that the developers were that dumb to listed their altcoin on some shady exchanges. Unless they don't have any other choice than using the unpopular free listing exchanges.

for example like this, for large exchanges such as binance, large fees and they are reluctant to enter there. means that they don't have enough money and means the project isn't working. they chose an exchange with a cheap or even free fee, instead it became a boomerang because it was prone to price scams and quiet of demand.

The developers do not want to spend money. The developer who wants to contribute to the future keeps others superior to the "perfect" coin he created. So it would not even be right to call them developers. Imagine, the creators of today's shitcoins are developers like Satoshi who created BTC. There is no tool to measure the difference between them.

The more here is more and more interested in the world of investing. So many new investors are popping up. Investment is very trending in many circles, the more it is also more and more invetor who continue to develop their talent in the field of investment. This makes them start to race to continue to learn investment. It makes them smarter, but still the process. So it could not develop suddenly.

sometimes that people gives with chance on release of excess on funds with possession as expecting least on returns to gains with uses on more with chance as extending tasks on qualification to helps as measuring with one on integration as compounding switches on algorithm to helps with release of bites on creeps to returns with the value on initiation with following work on spares with customs of work on risks and recess of aversion.

It seems that the last 1 year investors have begun to realize that, followed by investor confidence in ICO which has dropped dramatically. so many projects fail to get funding. many projects that only want to make a profit and run, without developing their projects. so, in the end, they have taken investor funds compared to listings in the market where the costs are quite high.

Well, if they knew that it would be a boomerang for them, I think they were really not serious about developing their projects. yes, it's good enough if the not-so-bad exchanger starts. but, some projects even put their tokens in a really bad exchanger. it's the same as turning off their own project.'
thinking about this, I sometimes only see projects that have a good market.

i do not think so, because the more scam projects, the smarter the developer, because with the growth which is getting better with many existing regulations, but at least the developer will continue to use his expertise in related matters. on the issue of listing fees, i don't think that's a big problem for most developers and good projects, because when a project really has money the developer doesn't depend entirely on investors for project development

What the developers are after is the cheap listing fee since reputable exchange is very expensive. But on the other hand, although you had listed your coin or token the thing is that if it is not in a good exchange or decent at the very least then it would not have a good impact to the image of your project especially if it is a shady exchange. Though there are cases that it is the user's fault and just ranting that it is a scam exchange well in fact they don't know how to use it or they had exposed their private details needed to sign in in an exchange.

their problem is that it is difficult to join a large exchange, and they are very aware of the requirements that cannot be done.

Then there are two things that I often read in their telegrams. 1. They ask for opinions from the community. 2. There are accounts that claim that certain exchange parties offer services for listing, and the admin tells them to DM and communicate further. What happens then is that they are tricked, or they just choose an exchange that is easier to get in like forkdelta.

Over the last few years, the idea of cryptocurrencies has exploded, and more people than ever have invested in currencies like Bitcoin. For every project there is roadmap and technical whitepaper to guide them through development. developers are getting all the blames for a bad project neglecting the faults of investors.

You know that listing fee is very high with reputable exchanges, for some projects, because they need to follow their roadmap, and exchange listing is one of the mile stone. So if they don't raise enough fund, low-cost exchanges are always the best option. Maybe the developers know about idax and p2pb2b, but they have no other choice.

Investors should be smarter today to avoid those scammers and I think there is no free exchange here, so maybe we can also determine if that exchange is a scam or not depends on how much the fees they will charge to us when making an exchange. I remember when I discover a site, selling a camera with only $1, using your credit card, I've already thought that it is a scam for them to get your information and your credit card. So it is also just like that so be careful enough to observe.

Most probably, that is the case here. Why would a scammer care about keeping a check on everything or try to improve the project after he succeeds in accumulating good amount of money from investors? Obviously, he cannot care less. This is why it is suggested to do some research before choosing any project and never become the earlier investor under present circumstances.

I guess you meant to say investors are "avoiding" and not "invading" some exchanges?

Many developers don't bother too about the quality of exchanges they wish to list on as long as the exchanges listing fee are cheap. Unfortunately, they do this at the expense of their investors & the project. I guess there is no easy way they could know what exchange is reliable and trustworthy. Regular online reviews are not always very reliable.

Are you sure that the investors are smarter now? I have serious doubt regarding that. Even recently, many of the scam ICOs succeeded in scamming huge amounts out of the unsuspecting investors. PLUS token scam alone resulted in a loss of more than $3 billion for those who invested in it. Under such circumstances, I can't really agree with your statements.

Investors are getting smatter because, back in the day when developers use to write long essays on the white paper and people would be fooled by the fancy wordings and unachievable goals, now investors including us, have become smarter and read the paper dry, ask tons of questions before even investing a single penny into some project.

I don't think developers don't want to be smart either, instead they know what they are doing. I do not for once believe developers will take time, effort and money to develope a project then watch it go down the drain by listing on a bad exchange; listing on a bad exchange kills a project they knows this and yet goes ahead to do so, thus it means they knows what they are doing. Investors on the other hand are trying to save themselves by being smart which is a good call.

Most of the creators create a copy of existing coin projects and ends up nothing. Those developers are only after for the money and not into the success
of the project. It's difficult for them to fish around since the investors already learned from previous mistakes and now they are very choosy before investing there money and follow any newly created projects.

Whether a project is good or low rated its now all about exchange game, even if a low rated project gets on binance it will perform better, take your time to look at all projects that listed on small exchanges you will notice how bad they are performing compared to those that went for top exchanges

I think the difference is obvious here. Investors draw with their own funds, which means they try to more carefully study projects for investment. Developers simply do the work and get rewarded for it, while their risk is much less than that of investors. So it turns out that the investor is better versed in crypto projects than developers.

No developers know that idax exchange is shady and many new projects listed on that exchange are in trouble now, its always good for new projects teams or dev to listen to people's opinions, sometimes they will find nothing but the truth, p2pb2b is the next one to destroy some new coins

Before, Developers can easily conceptualize projects that can be enticing for the Investors. You can create a certain project concept in one sitting and everything will just flow. Now, that almost all the concepts are the same, Developers are really trying hard to come up with a unique idea that will really help on solving problems. But in the end, Investors will choose those projects that are good to ne true and it will turn out to be a scam project.

Both investors and developers are people, who do their own research and can't know everything about the situation with each exchange. Sometimes some prople are writing about their negative experience but their stories often look strange and subjective.

The point of all of that is don't believe in exchanges because not all exchanges are really real that many manipulate volume transactions to attract investors so be careful when choosing exchanges if you don't want to lose your money.

Due to certain issues in the past, like being scammed or hacked within the process of investing into such projects, investors nowadays tend to be more wiser and even more careful to take full responsibility for their actions to avoid such things to happen once again. Investors really tend to become smarter because even if we are into the crypto community, still real money is being invested into such projects to earn real profits in terms of crypto in exchange. If investors will not be mindful of their actions, they will just remain being fooled or scammed which I am pretty no one wants to experience such thing a couple of times in a row. We tend to learn from our past mistakes and we learn to adapt new strategies from those learnings we have gathered to become more wise than before specially talking about investment.

Investors may be getting smarter, but scammers are not asleep, who come up with new projects and new ways to lure funds from our wallets.

Many developers become hostages of the situation when the exchange rate of the coin(token) is controlled by the exchange, an example of yobit which introduces wallets for maintenance.

And listing on other exchanges is not bad, since it is a good advertisement even on an unknown exchange. Binance used to be unknown too, and now everyone is eager to add coins to it.

In fact, that don't bother them even in a bit. They don't bother to clear the issue and just focus on what they could milk out from people. Why bother and waste their time here if this can bring more traffic to their exchange site. Tbh, even there's a scam accusation here, some still use the site. I don't know what kind of brain they have.

Actually they don't care if they have that accusations since at the first place they already got the money from there investors and the only thing they care is how to get more that's why you can see so many bastard dev's who makes the lives of the investors hard. And we shouldn't  stick on platforms  especially if we mean on the ICO's since 99% of the dev are scammers.

Do you actually believed developers aren't smart enough to point out bad exchanges? They are, but just chose to list on those exchanges because it will afford them the opportunity to carryout their fraudulent activities of either abandoning the project or coming up with baseless excuses. Investors and other users in this space have learnt this truth, which is why any project listing on a bad exchange will only but repel investors Instead of drawing them closer.
Therefore don't believe whatever reason developers give for listing on a bad exchange.

Very nice title. Investors are becoming smarter. That's why they don't bring money into the market. There is no reason for new investors to come. Developers are announcing new agreements with Exchange instead of new products. Everything depends on the price!

i think its the otherwise..
investors are not getting smarter, most of them leave or make same mistakes
new comers investors coming and making same mistakes the old did + they think its a competition and shitting on projects in social media and make people run away from this space.
in other hand developers are getting smarter, because they kept building for the last few years and learned from their mistakes
the ecosystem is growing technically but not monetary

I think not all boils down to fees, back in the good old days, a project could list in a shit exchange and it would still get a very huge volume upon listing, but it's different these days but some developers are just too low budget to afford listing in better exchanges even if they want to, so they instead go to the shit exchanges in the hopes that their listing fees could be affordable.

Raising fund with top exchange surely makes a new project reach hardcap easily, why not come to agreement with top exchanges instead? Many developers don't bother to do research on exchanges before listing on them, few small exchanges are still good too

True, but making deals with top exchanges does seem easier, but project developers are troubled by the conditions they must fulfill in order for their cooperation with exchanges to be established.

Being a developer is not easy, as an investor experience and determine which is more profitable and convincing can be supported by several things and what developers provide. while developers have to think about how to fulfill the wishes of the investors (profits) with what they will get. I have had experiences that are not much different from this, but this is indeed difficult for developers, especially with investor pressure. in my opinion this is not a matter of smarter or not but rather the personal developer itself.

The main reason is that they don't risk any money. They are just execpting every opportunity that knocks to them without considering its effect to their clients. On behalf of that, investors are getting smarter because they are risking their money. Unlike developers, if they accept every opportunity that knocks to them, there is a huge possibility that they ended up being scammed rather than making a profit.

that's the real problem, the inability of developers to strengthen all funding capability structures before actually introducing projects to the public sphere, and the majority eventually become trends that affect their quality, in this case developers don't think at all about how investors can support the stability of their projects, only around how the project can make money as soon as possible.

Do you mean IEO? I don't think it's easy to launch IEO on large exchanges because besides the cost of the exchange, the team of exchange have to be more careful in choosing projects to launch. And the developer mistake is to force the collection of funds on an exchange that has a bad reputation so that investors are not interested.

I don't think so, because the experience that developers have is also needed to be able to develop the projects they have. Because for me the developer plays an important role for the success of a project but developers cannot do it themselves and they need the role of investors to be able to carry out plans that have been prepared so that the project can run smoothly and successfully.

Yeah investors are getting smarter day by day. It is obvious that many of these project are just there to scam innocent investors by luring them in investing in fake project. Developers also are just in for the money and not thinking about the effect to investors

Some projects put a bad exchange and maybe it's a way to shut down their project or maybe they don't have enough funds to put in a good exchange and it's true what you say sometimes I rate a project that has a good market, but for now this if we see new projects as less profitable because most of them end in failure and perhaps lack of funding is the reason that developers choose to list their tokens in bad exchange.

That would be the main reason, due to financial reasons, they will choose to put their coin in a not so good exchange.
They focus more on things to benefit themselves and just let the project to die. And create another project just to repeat what they just did.

Agreed and a very good reason. and indeed the fact from what we know is like that, devs do not really care where the listing exchange place, if the project is already listed after that is abandoned and create new projects again. in other words, the devs who make projects and do things like this are a scammer, he said investors are getting smarter but in fact are still being fooled by devs of this kind.

The truth is that developers needs to think of something new, the space is getting boring because almost all the developers are focused on creating the same thing no vision no development.

I guess they looking an exchanges that has low listing fees and they don't want to list in reputable exchanges because the listing fee there is too high for them so they prefer a small exchanges and I think they don't know if that exchange is a scam. We should tell them before they get listed a scammy exchanges.

developers certainly know about the reputation of each of these exchanges and again, they don't want to spend a lot of money just on exchange fees because maybe they realize the potential of the tokens they release won't last long. i think that is part of the reason why they are ready to take the risk when listing coins on the exchange that do not have a good reputation in the community

I think there is another reason why investors seems to have gotten smarter, investors that are not smart are not going to survive for too long in the market, they are going to lose their money and most likely after that happens they will never invest in the market again.

During that time scammers got a lot of money but now the investors that remain are smarter, they have a lot more knowledge about the markets and about the history of cryptocurrencies and they are not going to be so easily deceived as the average investor of the past.

It is hard to say what is the scam projects and what is not. Those heads of the project is creating a beautiful whitepaper that is why developers thought that this is gonna be a successful project. All we can do is to report someone who leads the said project so that they cannot advertise their project here anymore.

Indeed that investors are really getting smarter that is maybe triggered to come out as a adaptation mechanism due to the recent scams they have been through that costs them a lot of money from their accounts and no feedback have been able to come back from their investments to profit. Investors have already learned from their past experiences making them a wiser individual to be able not to be fooled by random people that just aims to scam them. Well, that was just normal for an individual to develop and improve his instincts specially with regards to earning money which involves strategies that will help them to succeed in the path they wish to get imto. As investors get smarter, developers must always do the same thing to be able to get into the trend so that projects they wish to launch will gain the interest of the potential investors.