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Asic.to has developed a firmware for the Antminer S17/S17 Pro and T17 Antminer. You can download and install it on your machine to improve your profits.

Antminer S17 / T17 Overclocking
Performance ~+30%
The ability to downvolt ~ 15-25%
Antminer S17(normal) to 70-85th/s (~3100-3760w)
Antminer T17 up to 65th/s (consumption ~ 3000W)

Antminer T17 Downvolts to 1900w at 42th/s - 45w/th

(Attention! Firmware is still new, in order to avoid breakdowns it is recommended to increase overclock slowly.)

Features
Overclocking: over 85th/s with S17 and 65th/s T17!
ASICboost and autotuning: On all of our versions include auto-tuning frequency to get the best efficiency as well as utilizing ASICboost.
Decrease Hardware Errors
ENERGY SAVING
No Bmminer
Immersion-ready/Fan Disable: Support for high-efficiency liquid immersion cooling by disabling the fan in the settings.
Lower Thermal Threshold: Lowers default overheat protection to ensure machines last longer.
Full-farm deployment: Send out a configuration file to an unlimited number of miners on the same network. No reboot required!
Power monitoring: Built-in wattmeter function.
Search: Find Other Asic on the network.
Password Change: Ability to mass change passwords and ssh port.
Multi-ASIC roll-out: Setup one machine and install it on all of them with just 1 click.
Free – Download and begin using immediately.  Small 2.8% fee to keep the project going.
Supports popular ASICs: Support for all Antminer S17/T17,S9/S9i/S9j models.
Stable: Automated voltage tuning for best hashboard stability and performance.
Sleep Mode: Mining can stop and fans drop to normal speed using very little power.
Asic Virus Scanner: Tool that checks pre-owned asics for night switcher and other variants.
Easy Uninstallation



Notice you need to unlock SSH for the S17 and T17 models. Click here for instructions on how to unlock SSH. (https://asic.to/ssh-unlock/)

Notice: When using chip Manual Tune. DO NOT increase chip frequency above 20% of base frequency of board. Just use AutoTune!!!

Please Take Notice
As we all should know my now tampering with your machines can damage the machine. Do so at your own risk... But have fun! TO THE MOON




edit: I have been notified someone is possibly impersonating on telegram.




Change log:


Hi Guys.
Meet 2.0.1 release for Antminer s17, s17pro, t17, s17+, t17+.

Changes:
1) Modified, improved and accelerated the work of autotune.
2) Added an option that ignores the minimal voltage set in profile.
3) Corrected the mixed-up data entry in the auto-switch section.
 4) renamed “fan rpm check” to “immersion mode” and moved to the settings section.


Hi guys.

Meet firmware release 2.0.0 for Antminer s17, s17Pro, s17+, t17, t17+

Changes:
1. General stability, refinement and refactoring of the main driver.
2. Improved display of chip hashrate.
3. Fixed the output display of the current timezone in the regional settings.
4. Made minor changes to the design of the web gui.
5. New profiles added:
S17 - 55th, 60th, 63th.
S17+ - 55th, 60th, 62th, 68th, 74th, 80th, 88th.
T17 - 40th.
T17+ - 40th, 48th, 55th, 63th, 68th.
6. Added an automatic correction of red domains (TIMER).
7. Extended voltage search ranges for auto-tuner profiles.
8. Added full customization of the miner’s manual auto-tuning.
9. Made a smooth change in the fan speed during miner initialization (without a sharp jump).
10. Added protection for breaking the chip chain to prevent equipment failure.
11. Added automatic “emergency” cooling mode, in case of “loss” of  the miner temp sensors.
12. Added processing of erroneous data from temperature sensors.
13. Modified Log, now the status of the miner has become more understandable and detailed.
14. Implemented saving all miner logs even in the event of a complete reboot.
15. And most importantly, your miner will forget about overheating, bringing you a profit with maximum uptime due to the automatic switching of auto tuner profiles with a flexible system of settings to adapt the miner to changes in ambient temperature.  Switching profiles is carried out by setting the temperature range and fan speeds for (automatic mode).


Hi guys.
I am glad to present the first official release of the Best mining firmware version 1.0.0 for Antminers s17 & T17


Hi Guys.
Meet the new release for Antminer S17, S17 Pro, T17, S17 +, T17 + version 1.1.0 from the best development team✌🏻.

1) General stability, code refactoring to simplify adding support for other models and finalizing the main driver.
2) Full support for S17+.
3) Full support for T17+.
4) Added a new way of reading temperature sensors (rewritten from scratch).
5) Automatic switching to a lower profile when the miner overheats.
6) Automatically switches to a lowered profile when it is not possible to tune the selected profile.
7) Added a trigger for the maximum number of miner restarts in case of a board failure.
Cool Improved cooler speed control algorithm (smooth transition from manual to automatic mode without failures).
9) Fixed error setting voltage in manual mode.
10) Fixed the minimum hash rate check (worked when the value was 0 as disabled in the config).
11) Added information on all successful profiles tuned.
12) Added protection of the miner against hashrate theft by viruses.
13) Low temperatures mode is activated only when the silent mode is on (silent start).
14) A trigger has been added that makes it possible to disable the function of heating (pre-heating) chips.
15) Fix a bug, when the firmware sets the cooler speed to 100% in manual mode.


1.0.0
 1. General stability.
 2. Correction of profile parameters for  S17 / T17.
 3. Improved nicehash support (extranonce subscribe).
 4. Added trigger to disable / enable voltage (cold start).
 5. Added trigger to disable / enable domain unbalance check.
 6. Added the ability of target chip temp (new proprietary and much cooler adjustment method, which significantly reduced fan speed).
 7. Implemented support for a “quiet" start of the miner.
 8. Automatic transfer of the miner to warm-up mode when starting in cold conditions.
 9. Added registration of dead chips during autotune.
 10. Improved and significantly reduced the launch time of the miner.
 11. Added saving chips freq / autotune result for subsequent manual pre-tuning.
 12. Added checking for all types of viruses that we know about today.
 13. All functionality is added to the config multiplier section.
 14. Activated time zone.
 15. Added the estimated power consumption by the miner (electronic wattmeter).
 16. The status of the miner (its API) is available immediately at startup after 15 seconds.
 17. Added The ability to set the critical temperature of the chips to automatically disable the hash board.


0.9.9
 1) The autotune work has been finalized and fully adjusted.
 2) Completely rewritten algorithm for adjusting the voltage of the chips.
 3) Improved method for controlling unbalanced domains.
 4) Adjusted and fully customized profiles.
 5) Added compatibility with BTC Tools version 1.2.6.
 6) Fixed config multiplier with batch propagating workers.
 7) Added pool support for nicehash.com.
 Cool Added pool support for warphash.com.
 9) Checked and fixed stability of the emcd.io pool


New release, 0.9.8_beta for Antminer S17 & T17 models

What is done:
1. General stability
2. Extended and refactored the main driver.
3. The next iteration of refinement and improvement of errors (HW)
4. Hash rate loss on some pools was analyzed and fixed.
5. Added support for P2P pool.
6. Activated the multiplier for the distribution of mass batch configs.
7. Work on with the reading of temperature sensors I2C
8. Created more than 10 overclocking profiles.
9. Added autotune!!! (note, autotune results are saved in a separate config, when changing a profile to a new one and returning to the previous profile, a repeated autotune is not required, except for a forced retune by the user).
After the completion of the tune, “temporarily” changes to the chips in the manual section of gui are not displayed.
10. Autotune is taken out as a separate log in the profiles section.
11. Automatic reboot when unbalancing domains to save chips from burnout.
12. Added manual downgrade of the entire domain.

Place holder for information to come. Tips, Tweaks, Recommended settings by the community.

i will try this soon.

So... Not free then. :o

Where did I ask you to pay? :o

Please keep it on topic. Don't really want the thread going off-topic on the first page. But the Second page I say we talk about mining bitcoin with extra electricity the airplanes generate.


I know you want to aim for efficiency. When Autotune is fully working there should be some easier gains achievable with the T17 and S17. Right now you can do manual chip tuning but that takes a long time if you have many machines. Right now it is best to just set fixed frequency per board and voltage. If you have lots of time on you hand do the manual chip tuning too but that can be a very lengthy process since every tweak the machine must restart. Auto tuneshould be fixed and enabled in a week or so. Also custom profiles will be enabled. I am working on a few to share right now.

You asked me to pay in the part of your post that I quoted.

Anyway, how is it off topic? Its about this firmware, I quoted what you wrote in the first post.

I just want to know before I install a firmware whether it is free or if I have to pay a fee to use the firmware. That's not unreasonable is it?

Is it free, or is there a 2.8% fee? And if there is a fee how is that fee collected.

It is free to download and install just like it is stated in the main topic. There is a 2.8% fee to use the firmware though. Not sure if that wasn't clear? There is no method to take payment on the site so I am unsure where my wording mislead you.

The 2.8% fee is done via parallel mining you will notice the dev fine mining parallel with really low difficulty.

ps. I was just pulling your leg about going off-topic xD

Thanks for the clarification.

So free to download, but not free to use. Got it.

Well, it's free to use technically until it mines for itself. I mean hey it's running on a custom driver that took 6 months to make and with the increased profit potential of up to 30% on air-cooling it's a drop in the bucket.

But hey stay tuned for auto-tune to be ironed out and enabled that will net even better for you.

so 2.8%

and a t 17 drops to 45 watts a th

so 1900 watts vs  2300 watts

or 400 watts maybe only 300 watts.

lets do so math

7 to 10 kwatts a day on a t17

at

3 cents.   21 to 30 cents
4 cents.   28 to 40 cents
5 cents.   35 to 50 cents
6 cents.   42 to 60 cents
7 cents.   49 to 70 cents
8 cents.   56 to 80 cents
9 cents.   63 to 90 cents
10 cents  70 to 1 dollar

42 th earns 5.90 a day.  3 percent fee is 18 cents.

i rounded a lot. but it appears the under volt is good for anyone with four cent power and above.

not going into hot room issues being solved etc.

as a miner

i would suggest. the fee drops to 2% from 2.8 % in 120 days  .

and from 2 % to 1.5% in 240 days time.

but developers have their own ideas 💡 of how to market gear or software.

my power deal is 1/2 the coins this will help my hoster when the 1/2 ing time comes.

I agree. I am going to fight for a lower fee around the halvening but there are more people involved in this than just me.

Phil Don't quote me but I am pretty sure the 45w/th was obtained with the autotune version which the current version has that disabled until some bugs are worked out.

I think a nice benefit of the downvolt is having the miner for the long haul and being in the green for as long as possible.

yeah i mentioned i did lots of rounding the goal was not to be exact be to give an idea 💡 of possible savings

i would say anyone in the 4,5,6 cent range with lots of t17s could consider try you out.

obviously 7 cent or higher is a no brainer.

2 or 3 cent guys do not need to rush in.

still gives you a large customer base to draw on.

if you want to attract a three cent guy you need to have a lower fee.

all quick down and dirty math in my head and on my fingers and twos.

I will ask does this work for t17e?

I want to say no because if memory is correct t17e has more chips than base t17.

I have a t17 up in clifton
I have a lot of s17 pro
I have 2 s17 in clifton

I finally setup team viewer.

I think I will try to do a remote load  of your software.

It's definitely nice to have a machine you can remote to monitor everything if you don't have a vpn configured out there. I just got the news that 1-2 weeks autotune should be ironed out for both S17 and T17 models.

I have two internet services going into the warehouse.  So I can setup a small farm of just t17's and s17's use your firmware on a remote setup.  Keep the bigger farm on the other network.

My recommendation, for now, is to aim for no more than 725mhz on the S17 and not to go beyond 19.6 volts until more results come in. But at 700-725mhz and 19-19.2 you should be achieving 65-70th/s. Which is a fairly good performance gain as it is. If there is one thing I learned a stable overclock is better than a powerful overclock. When auto tune is out I would say play a bit higher but for now I suggest everyone plays it safe.

T17/S17 fw specs looks great. I will try this in next few days.
Is there any chance to make some good custom firmware for T15/S15 units?

what about s9k / s9se fw?

850MHz @ 19,7v I'm at 82TH
900MHz @ 19,8v I'm at 87TH

both with 0,0001%HW
Not all ASICs will support those settings (silicon lottery), need to fine tune each of your ASIC step by step. It takes times but it's the only way to optimise your hash rate


Big headache these models. Not sure we will see one that works correctly without any risks soon.

Hey what temps are you getting? Did you set a temp cut off to shut down. Maybe you won the silcon lotttery!

725MHZ @ 19.4-19.6 doing 70th/s


In the works but not too sure if it is going to be worth for most unless cheap power.

I see that your firmware is available for S17 Pro, however I have not seen any results. Have you tested this?
Also, are there any firmware plans for S17e and T17e?

Did you click the link? I have photos of them running at 70th and 85th/s on the website.

Here is a random picture of one S17pro machine right now.

https://i.imgur.com/IsQFZxP.png (https://i.imgur.com/IsQFZxP.png)

It does not work on S17E or T17e. That is a different miner with more chips than S17/S17Pro/T17.

We are working on S17e and T17e firmware but not ready yet first getting auto tune working again.

Yeah, I missed that photo. Thanks for answer!

Please notify me as soon as T17e and S17e firmwares are ready.

Also, is there a firmware without dev fee?

Nope, it took many months to get the driver made for the 17 series. Creates an incentive to keep working on the project and develope firmware for other machines. People gotta eat!

Edit: not edit button I'm dumb

400mhz at 16 seems pretty promising for a downvolt/downclocl. Going to hook a meter up to it but been stable for the past 5 hours.

I understand how much time it can take and that it is a lot of work. I did not mean to ask for a free firmware. I meant to ask if there are any paid ones which I can buy so I can get it without dev fee.

how many hours you run already?

There is any side effects?

Let me ask I know at one point that was offered but I do not recall the price or how that goes about.


Sorry for the late responses haven't been checking as much as I like as I have been sitting in a dump truck for the past 2 days pretty much and I didn't bring an inverter for my laptop so I am flipping it on every once in a while to check thread and vpn to the machine for tweaking. But I mean hey if my contract I bid on is for the hour... I can't complain. Currently watching snow still fall. The only side effect I can say right now is you will be messing with your miner a lot if you are like me. No side effects right now the settings that were not working have been disabled so there are very few bugs.

Max chip temp is 85-90
Better than silicon lottery, my farm is based in Siberia. Good free cooling helps a lot.
I think that in the next two months we will be able to push at 90TH with new firmware evolution.

Can you post some pics of your achievement :D?

Anyone found some sweet spot for T17 on low power consumption? I tested a little bit yesterday, got 42 ths/1950w.

How accurate is the built-in wattmeter? Any screen shots of that?

https://i.imgur.com/x7khyqF.png (https://i.imgur.com/x7khyqF.png)

Here is 82TH achievement with low temp and very low HW.

I was going to say I was hitting the thermal throttling threshold at 65-70f with those settings. You with your nice power and electricity rates!

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Just got S17 down to 30w/th @ 39th/s which is 16% efficiency gains over low power mode on stock firmware. I can get more I just started trying to see what the results were going to net in this range. This was also taken before PDU, and before PSU, so probably a bit lower but lose some % going through cable and pdu. The measurement is taken at the breaker panel.

https://i.imgur.com/BHBSDAi.png (https://i.imgur.com/BHBSDAi.png)

Hello,

Is there in your firmware any difference from the bixbit firmware that is available? They ask an 3% developer fee and can also overcloch and undervolt the machines. For example can you tune the chips seperately in bitmain  S17 pro? What settings did you use to to get the s17 to 30w/th ? Thanks for your answer.

16v and around 400mhz +- 25. We are the official distributor for this firmware for English speaking clients. There are other rebranded versions for Russian and other customers. If English is your native language your best bet is to go through me for any support, questions, help, and etc. I am not sure if bixbit is the same.

When the autotune comes back can you consider 2% fee? I'll try them on a batch of T17s

I don't control the fee. I am assuming it will lower around the time of halving. Autotune just makes it more profitable. Lower power and increased hashrate.

After a 10 hours of tuning. I have got around a nice 32,5 watt a TH This is with a working temperature of 8 degrees. Looking forward for auto tuning.

Hey ardverb,

Can you share those settings that is pretty awesome!

Hi Taserz,

I think i did a mistake : i unlocked T17 with your tool, flashed your firmware, but it doesn't start to mine.
So, i reflashed with the original firmware.  With original firmware it mines correctly.  I i wanted to try again your firmware.
but there is a problem :  i think the firmware i downloaded on bitmain fix the the exploit you used in your tool, i can't access SSH anymore.
There is a way to downgrade it ?

You need to unlock SSH first. Then remove signature. What firmware are you on?

i used this firmware :

20191205119-sig_4803

Kernel Version   Linux 4.6.0-xilinx-gff8137b-dirty #25 SMP PREEMPT Fri Nov 23 15:30:52 CST 2018
File System Version   Thu Dec 5 11:19:08 CST 2019

I can't unclock SSH anymore since i reloaded the original firmware.

I have thisi error with your tool :


I think the new firmware from bitmain fix the exploit of create_log_backup.cgi.

Jump into the telegram channel: https://t.me/AsicTo

And write that it's you from bitcoin talk and I will pm you and help you figure it out.

EDIT

IF on latest T17 firmware from December you MUST flash with SD card to downgrade.

Does anyone have some good setup for T17 on power consumption bellow 2400w? I tried a lot combinations yesterday, my T17s in this moment works on 740mhz/16,8V/2270w/44,5Ths. Nothing better for now...

Hi,
My settings of the s17 pro are: 16,3 volts on all the 3 chains. With frequenties used: #1 390 mhz #2 400 mhz #3 395 mhz tuning on chip does not work for me because red chip are moving around the chain. This means when you lower frequencies on red chips they are moving to another after reboot. And so this repeats etc.

850 frequency, voltage 17.5
50 TH/s
900 frequency, voltage 17.5-17.8 , 55 ths ( need good cooling )


Once auto tuning is enabled you won't have to fight with manual tuning

Great looking forward to it. Hope to see some work on s17E models as well. ;)

I hope the auto tune will fix the problem...because actually its nearly impossible to go over 49 TH/S in the very best case without overheating ( 45 TH/S for most of machines )

Another problem, the dev fee....

I have 1 T17 producing 49.48Th/s on miner control panel but on slushpool i have only 44.80Th/s ... its 10% of dev fee...

another exemple :

46.15Th/s on miner control panel and...41.64Th/s on slushpool... so less than original firmware !

I checked other machine with original firmware, and the the value are both same in miner config panel and on slushpool.

The dev fee does not affect hashrate. Look at the scoring hashrate on slushpool unless you looked at it for the few minutes it was switched it would be reporting the same as your web panel. T17 OC potential is limited without cold air but their underclock potential is fairly good!

If you are overheating try to play with your voltage levels and frequency levels. You can also undervolt your T17 and get more w/th.



We plan on getting to them eventually that and the + model.

really ? so how did you get your dev free ?

Having a dev fee doesn't reduce the miner's performance th/s. It's doesn't mine both at the same time... The firmware increases hashrate. It switches to dev pool to do dev fee then back.

also @ your last comment about hashrate. Slush pool takes like a half hour to get proper scoring hashrate.

Thanks so much for this firmware.
Any idea of an ETA for the Autotune?
For some reason my T17 seems to decrease hashrate the longer it is on.
It's like 40C here ATM so I assume it's heat related. For this reason I am underclocking but I am trying to avoid going back to BM firmware.
If it is going to be a few weeks then I'll go back to stock but if it is only a few days away then I'll obviously wait.

Yeah so T17 Do not like the heat. They are best overclocked in cold climates but their underclock is pretty good. Auto tune should be within new years and it is almost done. I am trying to release it early and then need an update to be pushed out right away for some bug. How many th are you pushing your t17 and at what settings for it to overheat. At 40c though your not going to be able to overclock it beyond 50th in my opinion I mean that's over 100F room temp!

I am running 600 / 17.2v @ 35TH/s
I am only doing 62C PCB temp.
I don't want to push things until autotune is out or the weather cools down.

How many Watts are you pulling at that speed? around 45w/th?

could you put a watt meter on this.

do you pull under 1750 watts at the wall?

this would make a t17 a nice unit!

if it did 50 watts a th i may be just short of running three on a 30 amp circuit.

but if it can do 45 watts a th and i set it to 33th i could do 99th pulling 4500 watts

which would fit my 30 ampp circuits well.

the t17 is almost under 800 usd which mean no trump tax.

i may start to order one unit every two weeks if all this is true.

There will be a software wattmeter built in when the auto tune update comes out. At least it should their was a bug where it starts calculating incorrectly with auto tune but I believe it was worked out. We have got some people pulling 45w/th with the T17 underclocked. I think they have more potential underclocked than overclocked personally since they are just prone to getting so hot when you push them in non cold climates.

What's a safe chip temperature to target for T17?

There is no such thing as far as I know, but you should aim to be AT LEAST 5C below limit (PCB max. 75 but I am not sure about Chip max. of T17)

Funny enough not a single person has complained about a damaged machine. But there is a disclaimer and built-in safeguards with this firmware to prevent it from overheating. if someone throws a stupid high voltage or frequency and cooks their machine that is their own doing. There is a warning in this thread and on the download page that you can damage your machine if you push them too far. There is even a disclaimer about not making your frequency range too large from chip to chip with manual tuning.

Also, your account is old. You made no post all of 2019 except for this comment you cross commented. You never mentioned buying an asic, antminer, or any of the current-gen miners. Yes, I went through your full post history and it looks like you use to post about gpu rigs only. So I have a feeling you are just spreading a warning because you used some other firmware that had issues or this is something else....

Been running custom firmware for over 2 years. As long as you get a good one I have actually been able to extend the life of my miners due to being able to run it cooler and use less electricity.

If it was a newbie, that comment would probably be deleted already. I was laughing my ass while I was reading it. Just ignore it.

I've also had some dead boards at recommended settings. I've been very careful and understand the risk. I wouldn't have bothered posting about it because I know their can be consequences. What the other poster stated was true, although it has been a small number in my situation. To be clear I'm not blaming or crying, I know what can happen the minute I flash a aftermarket firmware.

EDIT: I'm trying the firmware on S17 56T, S17 50T Pro, S17 53T Pro

So after you using a bunch of different firmwares on different units (judging by your previous posts) you just happened "not to cry" here as well as BlackPrapor and note that it is in same day and both of you are not even active on forum anymore.

Is it only me or is this fishy?

Yeah lot of people are trying to push their machines way beyond 70th/s which I mean I can't blame them but if you don't have the cooling to do it. It isn't worth doing. Better off shooting for a mild 15-20th/s increase where no one has issues than going into uncharted territory. At least that is my input on it. We provide a few settings on the website to attain the small overclock and to attain a good underclock/undervolt. Those should be a baseline and there really is no need to go away from that unless you have free power and are willing to risk it.

well blackprapor was gone for more then 20 months.

sierra8561 was gone for 10 months and did overclock.

i my self over clocked 22 s9s for ten days with other firmware and had bad results.

to me this firmware will shine with underclock.

the t17 can do 200 watts less with the same hash or close to the same hash.

on this firmware.   so for every 10 you down clock you can add a t17. no harm to gear and more hash. much more sound method of using the firmware.

We got a guy in our telegram group that got his T17 down to 42.5w/th at 40.5th/s

I honestly want to buy a bunch more after seeing his numbers.

What S9 firmware did you have bad results with?

He deleted his post/ post was frodocooper'ed  ;D , his account is shady no doubt, but the info he had put together are someway reasonable, overclocking your gears is risky, nevertheless ,it does bring more profit so in some cases it is worth it.

"Does overclocking shorten the life-span of any electronic equipment?" is an ever lasting debate, an overclocked gear may last longer than a gear running at stock setting or even under-clocked, there are no real accurate numbers one can use to determine the amount or possibility of damage caused by over-clocking , but it's safe to assume that overclocking must be done in a reasonable manner to minimize the risk the maximize the gains BTCBTCBTC.

July 2019 bitmain.  But all those s9's are old  and all were running for years at 13.5 then jump to 15.0

everyone had an issue with the center board.  Not so much the board temps but the current draw at the jacks and plugs.  I browned just about every set of center board jacks.

Now I have yet to set up any of the t17's  with your firmware.  But  I plan to do so.  I also plan to buy around 4 or 5 more of them. Since they would be very good running 42.5 -45watts and 42.5th.

Does anyone have settings for best underclock lately?  I have been running my s17 pros at 66th @ 2800w.  So it's essentially a s17e or whatever.  If I go higher than that, it can push to 75th but the power ratio goes out the window and I'd rather leave it at a stable overclock.  T17 I have no tried yet, trying to figure out most efficient settings honestly.

I have yet to even try one t17.

But I will do so soon.

Once it works  I will shoot for 45 watts a th and 42th hash power.

If I do it I will buy more of them.

Let's just say I know of a few people that are competitors in this field that I know are going out of their way to mess with me. Hence why I am a skeptic of these old accounts popping back up and also a lot of accounts were sold on the forum. Luckily some of the people they are talking to just told me flat out what they were doing... So that is always fun.


T17 someone got it down to 42.5th/s On the website I listed a range for T17 to try for downclock. The newer ones clock down much better. I would avoid overclock on T17 personally.

Take it for what it's worth, makes no difference to me.

Not to meaning to blast this thread with posts. To be clear in this situation it is 1 firmware on 3 different S17 models. Not several firmwares. Overall the firmware is awesome and I have no regrets using it.


I'm active on a telegram group with you.


I always tend to jump right to the overclocking route. I've admired how you always explore underclocking, which in several cases has been the right way to go.

My Kia forte can do just over 100 miles an hour on a slight downhill straight way.

I did it one time. I don't push it.

Same with mining gear.

I am quoting this in topic. This made me have a good laugh.


Edit: Just a heads up. Alexander Levin from asicseer is currently trying to spread my dox and harass me. If you see my personal information listed anywhere please link it to me as this is an ongoing case of harassment by a competitor. They are apparently upset that during my email blast I emailed a few of the companies they do business with. I am trying to compile a list of him, his companies, and employees harassing, impersonating, and attacking me for my safekeeping. I really appreciate it. Such a childish behavior from someone who feels threatened by a superior product I guess.

I am doxxed for no reason that I know of on some bs website.  bad buyers dot whatever.

someone made a false claim about a purchase and said I am a bad buyer.

I suspect one of the scammers I caught on this site did it. So good luck 🍀 with the doxxing.

Happy New Year to all, any updates on the auto tune completion? Does any one have some good power savings settings? Ive done the 400 @ 16V, getting 24th and around 4-5 amps on multi-meter, this is on a fairly new pair of T17, if i over clock to 850 @17.5, i avg 46-47th but 3rd chain and four RED 0, they also run the fans WAY to high on auto, none of the chip temps even hit 60 and fans screaming at 5000RPM, i use manual fan and set to 20% im in manitoba, been a little warm here so the sucking in -15C ish air, any help is always greatly appreciated

Yeah the auto fan s quick to max out the fans... Sorry about that.

About two weeks left for autotune update. We have seen S17 drop to 25w/th at speeds in the mid 30th/s we are expecting T17 to be able to drop T17 into the 30s while still maintaining a decent hashrate.

That would be fantastic, by chance you have settings that could be manual set to achieve 30 watts ish per th

I will ask what the settings were. They also got 25w/th at  36th/s on S17


edit: Playing with it now

Just a quick question, i checked the kernel log today and i see the last 4 entries say WARN: unknown job id 0x5605, and the other just have a different number at the end, anything to be concerned about?

What are your temps of the miner and ambient room temp?

But that error is not an issue.

Highest Chip temp high 50s low 60s, its sucking in filtered outside air, which today its -19C. room temp in basement with all miners around 25C 18-20C main floor and upstairs, i dont need any furnace my miners easily heat my whole house.

Thx for letting me know that warn in kernel log isnt a issue, im quite looking forward to that autotune coming out.

Yo mate, be careful with that... Too cold outside air can damage your units. Especially if it is "wet" air.

I have 3 S9s running outside in a box, have been for a long time now, temps have been +30 all the way to -30, and they are just rocking,

https://ibb.co/56vPJhb

as you can see this one been going 39 days since last power outage, they been outside for atleast a year prob more like 1.5 years from rain to snow, they dont care, or at least the s9s dont, i do appreciate you giving me a heads up thoe

S9's are quite robust machines however, I am surprised that they survived rain and snow...

Tho, check those two links for operating temperature and humidity:

https://support.bitmain.com/hc/en-us/articles/360020445993-T17-Specifications
https://support.bitmain.com/hc/en-us/articles/360005088914-Miner-normal-operating-temperature-range

I know right, when i put these s9s outside, of course there in one of those patio boxes, i was just to a point where there not very profitable and there long paid off, so they dont owe me anything and the heat was to much in summer, noise because its all in basement and bedrooms are up stairs wasent a issue.

I see that link of T17 operating specs, however the S9 has even more strict specs, the t17 says up to 95% humidity, s9 says 65% humidity, now they say non-condensate, but as we know with electric heat (which all mining equipment is) your humidity will be super low, case in point look at my inside humidity.

https://ibb.co/w7Yjgfr

I honestly believe these asic miners are quite robust, now of-course ill have a different opinion when i start losing miners :p

You can push some crazy numbers with those temps. A user in this thread has gone over 90th/s on an S17 with similar ambient temps


I would be interested in seeing you S9 Hashboards after running in this setup for how long?

Curious if they have any thermal damage or signs of water damage. I mean S9's will run into the ground. I love them but power is to expensive for me to keep mine plugged in.

That is quite nice ambient you got there. Would you mid if I sent you all my units to be hosted there?  ;D

But as @taserz said, I as well would be interested to see those hashboards.

Also let's hope you do not lose any units!

Once one of them dies or i decide to unplug them, i will forsure rip one apart and take pictures, i do understand your concerns about running s9s, thats why im sure you saw in the picture there turned to to lowest setting, which is around 75 watts per th, nothing amazing but im going to hold out on the hopes of a good btc rebound.

I mean not for nothing that 75w a th is the lowest setting most people can get and no other firmware comes close. If you think about it this was a over 100w/th unit at one point.

Could you tell me whats the reason of multiple resets on my T17 with 625/16.4 V/38 TH

If you leave it alone will it stay in that loop and do 20 30 40 resets?

I get the same 44,567.53  with your config
My room temp 21 degree
http://uupload.ir/files/mdor_pcb-chip.png
Big problem is fan speed now which is very noisy
So despite 3 more TH than original I would know if I can low fan speed or is it not recommended?

My device also also rebooted every 10 min! on any settings!


I'm afraid DevFee    status is Dead
Is that the reason each 10 min my t17 gets reset?

Check if it is giving dev fee error. If it is it will stop working. Change the dev fee to a different location or something is blocking it if you get that error.

 :( on the S9 , if you take for exemple 600mhz at 820mv, if come by X or Y or Z firmware, the config is same, so the resultat is same to !

All custom firmware with all custom and asicboost, is possible to down to 75w, even more !!! on my firmware (i thinks same resultat with other) i agree to down to arround 70W ! but the hashrate is VERY LOW !!!


With pleasure ;)

Hey taserz, were inching close to that two week mark, still looking good for the auto tune completion? Any update on the settings for 30 ish watts per th


The fans if you leave them on auto are very quick to max out, i have my miners suck in filtered outdoor air, my outdoor temp is on avg -20 C, fans set to 20%

https://ibb.co/q1Jy1C2

i can have them at 10% but on the -10 afternoons ive hit 90 degrees which at that point it max out fans and shuts that board down

at 20% fans, i very rarely even hit 70 degrees, the PSU fans are louder then the cooling fans

as for your reboots i dont have any problems like that how ever im only running 610 mhz ish and 16.2 volts

No all the firmware is not the same. The vast majority of the firmware use the same stock bitmain driver which doesn't tune chips it tunes the hashboard. 75w/th is pretty much the lowest you can go on AVERAGE for a stock s9. You can get them down to 70w/th if you do the dual S9 firmware with 1psu 1controlboard 2 front fans no rear fans.


I will power my unit on my test bench on tomorrow and tell you what settings I have I was trying to recreate it and I got very close :)

Yeah our fans speed is a little wonky in this current version. Auto likes to max it out.

Also as far as the timeline for an update we found 1 bug causing hashrate to slowly drop over time but we fixed it. We are just adding a few protection features to prevent it being cracked. Our developement team is currently on Holiday as Christmas overseas is on January 7th and they are on an extended holiday trip!

A little update for those trying to install it. All the new hardware requires you to MICRO-SD card flash to downgrade them then you can just install our firmware. The files to put on the sd card can be found on our website. Those with older 17's that never did the bitmain updates the tool is the quicker route to installing it.

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If you own a mining farm/hotel or have a large number of miners 500+ contact me for a better deal than the default 2.8% fee and to hear about our partnership program.

Hi
I have one T17 and will overclock with your firmware
I need know if i update my miner with your firmware i can use
Poolin or nichhash pools ?
I can get 60th with t17 miner without problem  and with air cooling ?
Best regard

I would say more like 50-55. IF you have extreme cold on air cooling you can do 60 but we are talking -10C

Sir,

Very glad to read the information about oc the T17/S17 miners in the forum.

I am a miner seller in China, also offer the hosting service. People here really like overclocking the T17/S17 miners.
In China, we have very stable oc firmware for T17(725M-825M),  the status is like below:
    freq         hashrate          powercost          enviromenttemp
  official            40T                2200W                15degree
    725M           43.5T              2386W                15degree
    750M           45.2T              2560W                15degree
    775M           47T                 2688W                15degree
    825M           50T                 2858W                15degree
    850M           50.5T              2934W                15degree
    875M           51.6T              3102W                15degree
   
I have some questions here:
1, Is your oc firmware stable? Would you please give us the freq/hashrate/powercost information like above?
2, Your oc firmare support T17 and S17. Is it support the T17E/S17E/S17pro/S17+?

Thanks a lot!

Hi algcool, can you pm me and send me your email or your telegram I would love to chat with you.

I have to check on the hashrate for T17 as I only know the S17 off the top of my head. The settings you showed me looks like a patched bmminer or a fixed frequency overclock. Ours will outperform those numbers as we do tuning per chip.

1. Yes very stable we are doing our auto-tune beta and it should be out by the end of today. Our current firmware outperforms all other firmware we have seen online. This current update will make it far easier to use for big farms.
2. It supports S17/S17pro/T17. For the S17E/T17E/S17+/T17+ we will have a beta firmware ready for it in about a week. (it is already working we just need to package it up and fix a few things)

I look forward to hearing back from you.

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AUTO TUNE UPDATE IS LIVE!

https://asic.to/files/Firmware/S17/Antminer-S17-0.9.8.tar.gz

https://asic.to/files/Firmware/T17/Antminer-T17-0.9.8.tar.gz

New release, 0.9.8_beta for Antminer S17 & T17 models

What is done:
1. General stability
2. Extended and refactored the main driver.
3. The next iteration of refinement and improvement of errors (HW)
4. Hash rate loss on some pools was analyzed and fixed.
5. Added support for P2P pool.
6. Activated the multiplier for the distribution of mass batch configs.
7. Work on with the reading of temperature sensors I2C
8. Created more than 10 overclocking profiles.
9. Added autotune!!! (note, autotune results are saved in a separate config, when changing a profile to a new one and returning to the previous profile, a repeated autotune is not required, except for a forced retune by the user).
After the completion of the tune, “temporarily” changes to the chips in the manual section of gui are not displayed.
10. Autotune is taken out as a separate log in the profiles section.
11. Automatic reboot when unbalancing domains to save chips from burnout.
12. Added manual downgrade of the entire domain.

Good morning Taserz, thank you for the autotune, im trying one of your profiles and all im getting is this error

https://ibb.co/TvrgY23

its rebooted like 10-15 times, will it correct it self or whats it doing? any suggestions would be greatly appreciated

If you choose a preset it will auoto tune for over an hours while it sorts itself out. If you go to minerprofiles page on the bottom right it will give you the details on the Autotune and what round it is on. Every time it gets faster or draws less power until chips are stable. My S17 for example at 70th lasted 9 rounds of auto tuning

So that "Failed to verify avg chain voltage" and "failed to set working voltage" is normal, because in the profile page it says error and just trys again

We are pushing out .98 beta too very soon I should have it posted by the end of the night. We found some users were having issues and auto-tune was going on for a long time. I am assuming that is what is happening for you.

i expected a lot with this new version with auto-tuing...and finally what a big deception...
impossible to get over 45/48 Ths with a T17, after, its overheating...the air is 7°, so very cold to the machine, but its not enough.
this firmware seems useless for overclocking with air cooling.

That probably means you lost silicon lottery... Otherwise, trying manually configuring Frequency and Voltage.

Yeah I was about to say the same most people can throw 48th/s at a T17 without a problem.

well you are very lucky most likely you will have an exceptional down clocking unit.

it will come in handy during the 1/2 ing.

please humor me and attempt to lower voltage.

your savings may be in power.

i have overclocked gear.
i have run gear with low volts same hash
i have run gear with low volts and lower hash.

No gear super overclocks and super down clocks.

some over clock really well
some down clock really well

some over clock okay
and down clock okay.


some suck at over clock
and are okay at down clock.

i am hoping yours is a down-⏰  monster.

let us know how it down clocks.

Would it be possible for some people to post on what results there getting? Even with the new auto-tune update i keep getting the voltage error as seen on my earlier post, ive let it got for 4-5 hours, same thing, never hashes at all, with bitmain's firmware its flawless at 42TH

https://imgur.com/kVT1ghU

im at 16.8-17.2 amps for a pair of T17's, If im correct that 2050 watts per miner or 49 watts per TH

any help is always appreciated

What does the autotune log say under mining profile? Same for the kernel log? I wonder if it has a chip that is unstable at voltage and it keeps trying to adjust. Try a slightly faster preset so it increases base voltage a little bit. Did you have this issue with the .96 beta or only the latest .98 autotune beta?

same issue on both versions, Correct says same thing as kernel log, Error failed to set voltage, then says starting autotune, finding voltage then again error failed to set voltage.

ive tried 3 of your profile settings, all with the same result, it wont hash at all with your firmware, with bitmains firmware its perfect, however the chains do have a discrepancy which i think you firmware dosent like

https://imgur.com/IocLzA6

As you can see Chain 1 is always about 0.5 volts higher then the other ones, on my other t17 there within 0.1 volts of each other, and that one has no issues with your firmware

But clearly the chain is perfectly functional because its rock solid at 41-42 th on bitmains firmware

So we worked on a new version that should fix your issue. This new update it is supposed to fix the machines that also failed to autotune. So far it's fixed every autotune issue we have seen.

 Changes:
 1) The autotune work has been finalized and fully adjusted.
 2) Completely rewritten algorithm for adjusting the voltage of the chips.
 3) Improved method for controlling unbalanced domains.
 4) Adjusted and fully customized profiles.
 5) Added compatibility with BTC Tools version 1.2.6.
 6) Fixed config multiplier with batch propagating workers.
 7) Added pool support for nicehash.com.
 8) Added pool support for warphash.com.
 9) Checked and fixed stability of the emcd.io pool

https://asic.to/files/Firmware/S17/Antminer-S17-0.9.9-beta.tar.gz

https://asic.to/files/Firmware/T17/Antminer-T17-0.9.9-beta.tar.gz

You and a few others were having issues with voltage and frequency tuning and this should fix it.

Also, I suggest powering down your machine for a few minutes and powering back up to drain power in the machines if it fails to drop power voltage.

If this update doesn't fix it please click download button in kernel log and upload so I can read the kernel log to see what is causing the issue :)

I don't want to make a misleading title on this thread but...

Can I advertise it as 102+th/s firmware mod now  ;D

https://asic.to/files/Photos/100th.jpg (https://asic.to/files/Photos/100th.jpg)

While we are at it take a look at the 80x club

https://asic.to/files/Photos/80%20club.jpg (https://asic.to/files/Photos/80%20club.jpg)

Holy Moly, is that a S17 or T17 your getting over 100 TH thats awesome.

As for my problem, seems to be solved with that latest release, the auto-tuning is currently on round 4, everything looks good, id expect that to be tuning for a couple hours, however it does hash in-between rounds. Thank you very much

I'd bet it is S17+  ;D


I wouldn't mind, but if it is in emerged oil or in -20C, then it might be misleading.

The bigger question is what are you doing on viabtc? I assume your mining btrash or her ugly sister?

P.S. I love the new FW BTW good job!

S17 non pro :)


Air-cooled -30 or -35C if memory is correct.


Jajajajajaj xaxaxaxa hahahahaha. Got to make sure it works with all the pools!

Granted we are aware we just broke functionality with .9.9 update on Bitcoin.com and NiceHash. Next update will fix that.

HOLY HELL!  :o :o


Might be misleading, but it would attract some people. However, if you do put it, I'd put asterisk and explain conditions required for such speed.

Put it in size 2 font way at the bottom in yellow font?

Mini update....

Fixed the firmware failing to work with bitcoin.com nicehash and a few others


 Release 0.9.9-beta2 for Antminer s17 & t17

 Changes
 1) Small fixes and stability of main driver.
 2) Nicehash.com pool connection fixes.
 3) Bitcoin.com pool connection fixes.
 4) Ukrpool.com pool connection fixes.
 5) Warphash.com pool corrections fixes.

http://asic.to/files/Firmware/S17/Antminer-S17-0.9.9-beta2.tar
http://asic.to/files/Firmware/T17/Antminer-T17-0.9.9-beta2.tar

Where's the miner source code for the firmware you are selling and distributing? :)

Oh Kano you know how this answer goes haha. The source code for the panel can easily be found on github. The drivers are though not public since they took many months to make from scratch to figure out how to talk to the control board and chips. Sadly because of this I can't just opensource it.

I was waiting for you to chime in on this haha :)

 i have tested this firmware ... is not good for me, overclock ok, but why ? at stock my T17 run at 43.5th by 1950-2000w ... if i overclock, down efficiency, and your devfee is to high ... more power, more heat, same revenue... lol

Why is the software called CGMINER? What reason my mod for S9 firmware are detracting and not your ? i don't understand ... is shame, even the S9 is old machine, you lost very good finding on this machine ;)

What are you talking about. You just gave me like 6 different half complete sentences???

At stock your T17 runs at 44th/s okay. You can run it at 48-50 or even more. Or you can run it at 44w/th and run it at 300-600w LESS than stock. Overclocking causes heat yes we all know that. We also know it uses more power. Ours actually uses less power at the same stock setting and if you overclock tunes for the least amount of power. The dev fee is 2.8% it is small... What about cgminer? Didn't you release your own firmware you should know what cgminer is then lol. What does this have to do with you S9 firmware mod. That is an outdated machine that is about to be obsolete with the halving. We have an s9 firmware that gets it down to 75w/th on average and on good machines high 60s.

hey not problem ! I don't attack you  ;D we are in same camp :)

Just i tell my opignon ... so, i thinks i have very good T17 ... On stock, is run at 720mhz at 16.8v ... give me arround 45W/th ...

2020-01-31 19:18:15 power_api.c:96:get_average_voltage: aveage voltage is: 16.797558
2020-01-31 19:18:15 frequency.c:582:get_current_min_freq: current min freq 720

Stock they are 55w/th

yes i know ;) but my, take only arround 1950 - 2000w :) and i see other member here take arround same config, and have 45w/th

So all these people here have no issue with you ignoring the licenses and don't care about that.
Typical of a lot of people around here.

So you spent a SMALL amount of effort on this and think that allows you to ignore the licenses?
The VERY LARGE amount of effort was the development of cgminer by many people with a VERY CLEAR license if you wish to use it.

You CAN opensource it. Just as we did with cgminer - however we spent WAY MORE effort on it that you ever have.

Edit: lucky I'm too busy coding, managing and running my pool, otherwise I'd go the small effort of working out and describing the very simple mod of your firmware to remove the ridiculous high 2.8% fee you charge also :P

Bitmain doesn't care nor any of the manufacturers sadly. Notice none of them provide the source code for their machines. Also, I should have said bmminer, not cgminer but they are so similar but one is made by Bitmain no? Also, we are not selling anything it is free. I would have loved for there to be a way to open the source but bitmain doesn't provide the source to their miner. Sadly bmminer was not made that way.

A small amount of effort? That is quite rude. How does one measure effort? By hours put in? The number of developers? The number of nights stayed inside coding? The number of alcoholic beverages drank to ease the pain from sitting all day? The regrets from not going outside? The pain of damaging machines? I am just rambling now. Also, I see I am the only one that humors you on this I knew where you were taking this but I figure I entertain you since everyone ignores you on this which is quite frankly rude. Also yes source code can be found online. You can thank asicseer for starting the trend on modifying bmminer without a license and all the manufacturers followed. Granted how do you opensource a patched file? No, I can't opensource it. I do not have the full source nor will bitmain give it. I emailed them already and asked.

Also, there is a list of protections and if tampered with the miner will lock itself down, loaded on the linux distro. Pirating is the reason there are multiple things in place to prevent that. I can go into more detail but I rather not give away everything. But I will state reverse engineering it will cause it to shut down or operate in a way you do not want it too. Probably don't want to give someone advice that will give them adverse effects.

Seriously though I can give you the head dev's info if you want to ask them but I don't think it's possible since bitmain didn't provide the source.


Yeah bitmain purposely made them use more power.

Incorrect.
You can get source for some miners - even the only mining company that's got a corporate listing to trade shares in the company - Canaan.

bmminer is cgminer, they just modified cgminer plus made it say bmminer everywhere.

Scammer.

So you put code in the firmware to brick the miner - you best better make sure it NEVER actually activates except when it should right?
This is clearly a reason why no one in their right mind should use your firmware since it may brick their new S17 miner.

P.S. Noob, I know more about code, operating systems and development that you'll ever know.
No, it's no big deal to remove your 2.8% fee :)

Firmware is not bad at all. My T17s draws 2150w on stock settings (40THs) with Bitmain fw, with custom fw on 45 ths, power draw is 2000w. Chip temps are 10c lower. Only objection is auto fan settings. For example chip temps are 50c and fan speed on antminer is 6000 rpm, this can be reduced a lot, also power draw will be reduced more. I hope this will be fixed with next release. Also I noticed power draw peak before miner start hashing.It goes 10-15% up, this also should be fixed. Everything else is very good. Very good software.

Bitmain firmware is crap, they release their sowtware with no testing. I installed last Bitmain S15/T15 firmware (released on beginning of January 2020) after that 3 hashing boards on my T15 antminers are dead, and one powersupply is dead, boards constantly goes off on all miners. Bitmain of course told that is my mistake. But after I flashed previouse firmware all starts to work fine.

Yes and bmminer can be patched to enable disabled features.

You said you can get source for some of the miners all new machines do not have source so it's not like you can actually recompile them for source instead of patching the binary. Canaan went open source on their latest miner three weeks ago.

Where did I say there is code to brick the miner? You are putting words in my mouth and are trying to scare people. Also yes removing the fee is not hard but the miner will not function as intended. The easiest way to remove the fee is to flash back to stock.

Did you just call me a noob lol. When did I say I know more about code, operating systems, and development. Take a look at the firmware for sale in digital goods for the S17+ that you have to buy same goes for the chipless mod. Those are people enabling features disabled at the factory too but charge $100-250 a machine to turn on.

Someone correct me if I am wrong.
But that should be normal, and all electronics spike when they are started up, just check your computer for example. Also, in Kernel Log, you can find a timestamp for that spike, I think it is exactly when all hashboards are being tested by control board or are powered up. They usually start at 21v (S17+) or 20v (S17e) and then go back down.

For example (S17+):


And this is their working voltage (S17+):

Yes that is normal. The firmware is not compatible with the + or E model right now so we have it so it will not start mining to not damage the machine the E and + firmware will come out soon.

You flashed the S17 non e or + firmware to the machine and it is not compatible. We will have a beta firmware up in a few days for the + and e models. That error was made on purpose to prevent the machine from mining and causing damage with incompatible firmware.

https://asic.to/files/Firmware/Stock/SD-S17e.zip
https://asic.to/files/Firmware/Stock/SD_S17+.rar

^Download the proper one and flash via sd card and then flash the current bitmain firmware to return to stock until it is ready   :D

Edit I read that wrong but yes these require their stock voltage and then step down to work.

Yep, I was just explaining, my units are running original firmware.  :D

Notice in the discord a lot of people are complaining about the new units having issues.

Well, I haven't had any problems so far on those two machines. However, my S17 Pro is still pain in the arse...

Your S17 is just a little bit special :D

Also, 1.0 should come out in a week out of beta!

Finally sent it to Bitmain's repair factory in Netherlands... Hope the repair will not be too expensive as it is out of warranty. And I hope my customs will not even bigger pain in arse, which they USUALLY ARE.

But when it comes back, I am instantly gonna flash its firmware to something custom and undervolt that biatch as I am down right sick and tired of that machine breaking on Turbo/Normal.

Looking forward to your 1.0.

If you autotune it at stock settings you can drop 500w off it's power consumption.

I plan on doing that or even going below stock speed, because I'd rather have unit that works perfectly for year or two than a unit which is breaking every few months.

Hi guys. I am glad to present the first official release of the Best mining firmware version 1.0.0 for Antminers s17 & T17.

Change log:

 1. General stability.
 2. Correction of profile parameters for  S17 / T17.
 3. Improved nicehash support (extranonce subscribe).
 4. Added trigger to disable / enable voltage (cold start).
 5. Added trigger to disable / enable domain unbalance check.
 6. Added the ability of target chip temp (new proprietary and much cooler adjustment method, which significantly reduced fan speed).
 7. Implemented support for a “quiet" start of the miner.
 8. Automatic transfer of the miner to warm-up mode when starting in cold conditions.
 9. Added registration of dead chips during autotune.
 10. Improved and significantly reduced the launch time of the miner.
 11. Added saving chips freq / autotune result for subsequent manual pre-tuning.
 12. Added checking for all types of viruses that we know about today.
 13. All functionality is added to the config multiplier section.
 14. Activated time zone.
 15. Added the estimated power consumption by the miner (electronic wattmeter).
 16. The status of the miner (its API) is available immediately at startup after 15 seconds.
 17. Added The ability to set the critical temperature of the chips to automatically disable the hash board.

S17: https://asic.to/download/firmware-for-antminer-s17-overclock-up-85th-s/

T17: https://asic.to/download/firmware-for-antminer-t17-overclock-up-65th-s/

Source code required for the cgminer in it, since that is a license requirement for distributing to anyone who asks.
You are distributing it, I downloaded it - so where's the source code?

It doesn't matter where you got it from or who you blame, the license requires YOU to supply the source code if YOU distribute it in any way.

... anyone else who downloads this firmware, thanks for also giving a kick in the teeth to the developers who spent a total of many years developing the cgminer code in it ...

... and no doubt the local forum mod will merit your post for distributing it, as he does for many others who also violate the cgminer license, but alas I guess he's a scumbag like you also for promoting people who violate the license.
I have spoke to the forum manager about it and his claim is that the mods do not represent the forum ... ... ...
(he just pays them to work on the forum)

Hello Taserz,

That's great news that the new version 1.0.0 is online, i just uploaded it to my T17 and it is runny smooth at 53.6TH @ 2671W  :)

Is there also a possibility with the new firmware to ingore faulty chips or chips that are missing during startup from the miner? I have a problem with my S17 Pro that it is only detecting 44 chips instead of 48 chips on chain 1 and because of that the firmware disables the complete chain. I don't know what went wrong in the past because from the beginning when the 0.9.6 beta firmware came out i started testing with it and also all the new beta versions i tested but i noticed that the problem started after i started using the first firmware with autotune available and first the last 4 chips where X on chain 1 and when i did a reboot, the complete chain 2 gave a lot of errors ???

I restored the Original bitmain firmware but still missing 4 chips on chain 1 so i contacted bitmain support with the logs and they provided me a recovery firmware for the controlboard, for some reason after using this firmware everything worked again with all 48 chips. I thought that maybe the problem was was indeed the controlboard software so then i reflashed your latest 0.9.9 firmware back again but guess what;,... the problem with the missing 4 chips was back again.

I used the recovery sdcard image from bitmain again but now the problem looks like permanent that it only detects 44 chips on chain 1. Therefor i am using your 0.9.6 beta firmware because with this firmware it keeps running @65Ths with 4 missing chips.

I noticed that all of your firmwares after 0.9.6beta are disabling the complete chain after it finds some missing chips during startup and firmware 0.9.6beta only gives me a warning that it only find 44 chips after 3 attempts of scanning.

Could you please have a look at it is possible to ignore the missing chips in the new firmware just like 0.9.6 or something.

I will try to upload the kernel log from running with your latest 1.0.0 firmware or i can pm it to you?

Greetz Andre

Does this firmware also work on the S17 pro versions?

Yes, I've tried it and it did work perfectly.

i have a question : is it possible to activate only the asicboost but not the overclock ?
asicboost must offer 10-15% increase with same stability.. or am i wrong ?

Asicboost has nothing to do with custom firmwares for overclocking.

And asicboost drama was mainly around S9 machines. As far as I know all newer machines have it integrated (and activated) already.

Was wondering why stock firmware runs both cgminer AND bmminer at the same time.
The hashrate drops 10th once a minute then back up.

Its probably using the other miner application to mine its 2.8% fee.

This is the software on a brand new antminer s17 53th from the factory. They are charging a mining fee on stock firmware? That's robbery. But that was what I was thinking.

It's not OEM firmware.
If it is actually doing that, then it's a hack firmware, not original.

i have one T17, and contain CGMINER + BMMINER to ! original firmware, i have examined this, and, CGMINER is used only for running hashing, and BMMINER is user for booting / rebooting or apply config...

So, no problem, just stipide bitmain, mixed two version... if you delete only BMMINER, miner run good, but you don't want apply new config (pool for exemple) ... the code is mixed ...

My mistake, thought you were talking about the firmware this topic is discussing.

You do get that bmminer is cgminer right?
BM just changed the name.

No ... i have unlocked SSH acces, and see "bmminer" AND "cgminer" , two version is used on my miner

https://image.noelshack.com/minis/2020/09/1/1582576314-liste-fichier-t17.png (https://www.noelshack.com/2020-09-1-1582576314-liste-fichier-t17.jpg)

You can also see them as running processes it in the web UI, under System -> Monitor tab

e.g.

Mem: 212596K used, 21148K free, 0K shrd, 643244K buff, 643288K cached
CPU:  27% usr  72% sys   0% nic   0% idle   0% io   0% irq   0% sirq
Load average: 1.30 1.34 1.33 2/115 30264
PID  PPID USER     STAT   VSZ %VSZ %CPU COMMAND
989   983 root     S <   215m  94%  82% /usr/bin/cgminer --version-file /usr/bin/compile_time --default-config /config/cgminer.conf -T --syslog
30263 30261 root     R     2152   1%   9% top -b -n 1
990   986 root     S     129m  57%   0% /usr/bin/bmminer --version-file /usr/bin/compile_time --default-config /config/cgminer.conf -T --syslog
925     1 root     S     3328   1%   0% /usr/bin/ntpd -p /var/run/ntp.pid -g
939     1 root     S     2984   1%   0% /usr/sbin/lighttpd -f /etc/lighttpd.conf
931     1 avahi    S     2836   1%   0% avahi-daemon: running [antMiner-57.local]
932   931 avahi    S     2732   1%   0% avahi-daemon: chroot helper
986     1 root     S     2620   1%   0% {screen} SCREEN -S bmminer -t bmminer -m -d /usr/bin/bmminer --version-file /usr/bin/compile_time --default-config /config/cgminer.conf -T --syslog
983     1 root     S     2620   1%   0% {screen} SCREEN -S cgminer -t cgminer -m -d /usr/bin/cgminer --version-file /usr/bin/compile_time --default-config /config/cgminer.conf -T --syslog
736     1 root     S     2152   1%   0% /sbin/syslogd -n -O /var/log/messages

New firmware working great. Have a s17 53th running on a 62th profile. Just selected the 62th profile, let it autotune and now it runs great at 62th.
Chips cool, highest 75C

No. Bitmain has both of them installed and running from the factory. Dev fee doesn't do anything with running a separate miner and that would just cause issues as they both can't send work to hashboards at the same time.


It does more than that. Bitmain did some wonky stuff on this machine.


Why would bitmain be running two copies of cgminer then?


You can potentially go higher if you like. Target chip temp defaults to 75C so it trys to keep fan power draw low. It makes enough airflow to hold 75C I bet fans are not maxing out. But 62th is a very safe overclock.

Yes, trying to stay safe. If I set the chip temp to 80C fans  throttle up to 100%, then start to slowly drop to about 30%, then throttle back up to 100%, rinse, repeat. So I'm sticking with 75C default for now. Fans at 2500-3300 rpm. I'm going to flash a few more s17 at 62th profile. Don't want anything to break, who knows when replacement parts will be available.

Same reason as asking why the new Canaan miners run cgminer as a thread of a master process, rather than a separate process of it's own.
They've changed how they start it and run it.
No big deal.
... and since they run two processes on the BM hardware, they prolly decided to name them differently so they could tell which is which.

I had an s17 53th that did not want to play with the new firmware.
To get it back to stock I upgraded to  the bitmain s17 5-24 firmware, then upgraded to the s17 12-25 firmware from the bitmain website using the GUI.
After upgrading to the s17 12-25 firmware it comes up in sleep mode.
Switched to normal mode and away it went. Pools still configured correctly. SSH disabled.

WOW! Auto-tune feature is amazing!

I spent 6 hours tweaking domains on each chain by setting voltage and then pushing each domain up 5 or 10 Mhz.  Set auto tune to 58TH and 600Mhz  and then 45 minutes later is was hashing away right around 57.5TH/s and stable.  Good power savings too, better than my 6 hour attempt  :-\

Thanks for this.

I used to run the blissz on an l3+ and it wold shift pools once a day for like 18 minutes or something to cover the dev fee.  Is that what this firmware does?

Kind of we do it in a way where it wont spike power like blissz does but that's essentially how it works.

S17/T17+ out now + major update to S17/T17

Hi Guys.
Meet the new release for Antminer S17, S17 Pro, T17, S17 +, T17 + version 1.1.0 from the best development team✌🏻.

1) General stability, code refactoring to simplify adding support for other models and finalizing the main driver.
2) Full support for S17+.
3) Full support for T17+.
4) Added a new way of reading temperature sensors (rewritten from scratch).
5) Automatic switching to a lower profile when the miner overheats.
6) Automatically switches to a lowered profile when it is not possible to tune the selected profile.
7) Added a trigger for the maximum number of miner restarts in case of a board failure.
8) Improved cooler speed control algorithm (smooth transition from manual to automatic mode without failures).
9) Fixed error setting voltage in manual mode.
10) Fixed the minimum hash rate check (worked when the value was 0 as disabled in the config).
11) Added information on all successful profiles tuned.
12) Added protection of the miner against hashrate theft by viruses.
13) Low temperatures mode is activated only when the silent mode is on (silent start).
14) A trigger has been added that makes it possible to disable the function of heating (pre-heating) chips.
15) Fix a bug, when the firmware sets the cooler speed to 100% in manual mode.

Hi Taserz,

I have updated a few of my miners from 1.0.0 to 1.1.0:
1) It seems the profiles I had set in 1.0.0 are not 100% stable with the new version. After the update multiple chains need to be re-adjusted or a complete Auto-Tune process was necessary.
2) Auto-Tuning is much faster based on my feeling.

A negative thing I have recognized was happening on one miner. The S17 was set to a 62TH profile under 1.0.0 with a voltage of 18.5mV.
It was running very stable all the time and the rate of Errors was very low.

After the update to 1.1.0 the profile was not working as I described in 1) and I tried Auto-Tune.
It was vissible, the chips 45-48 on chain #3 where very hard to tune and the tuning process failed for over 25 rounds and still it was red and orange rating all the time.
(Although the tuning process set the voltage to 18.9mV already)
I have tried to reduce the frequency down to 100 but no success - I failed to get the chain on a proper level.

Today after two days I decided to give it a try and flashed the FW back to 1.0.0 and the miner is back to green level 100% and is working very stable again...
Any idea what could be the reason?

1) Yeah slight changes let it retune if it is not stable

Try to retune and let her run. It should tune the same. That is odd. If you can't get it stable at old settings try to flash back to 1.0 see if it tunes.

The autotune goes for stability so even if it can do it at lower power it bumps it up I think .2 to keep stable

Sorry just read last sentence... That is odd. Let me confirm if we changed voltage step up after tune. After it tunes it bumps power slightly for stability

Yep, it is really odd as exactly these chips are working perfectly on 650M Frequency and 18.7mV now on FW 1.0.0
The tuning process detected 18.7mV as minimum voltage on the new firmware and inreased to 18.9mV and 520M until it confirms the chains are stable.
But the machine was working on very low performance for these chips and still marked in red color.
So I have tried to reduce the frequency more and more but nothing was working. (Also 100M/18.9mV was still red)


No problem, if the miner is working stable with 1.0.0 it is no issue for me to stay on that FW.
Anyway I thought it is important to report as maybe there is a issue with the new release?

Can you humor me.

Tune on 1.0

Then flash to 1.1 I think it keeps the learned tune. That way you can benefit from the return at lower preset on over heat and some of the other changes if you want them.

I did just that.  It saves the old tunes.  The new version adds an autotune at 65 TH/s, which I did, but it locked in at a higher voltage than 67TH/s.  Also the new firmware for some reason pulls an extra 30 watts from the wall on the same settings.  Very strange.  I rolled back to 1.0 again.

Do you have a step by step guide for a first-timer who is loading different firmware on miner? (i might have missed it on the website)

is the s17+ 105TH speed for immersion, or normal air cooling operating medium?
I need to make sure I am making a profit, after the increase in speed and dev fee calculation, hence asking.

Also, what is the wattage increase at the OC speed? will the PSU need extra cooling, will it be ok in the long term?

what about the dev fee, as halving is soon.  will it be lowered?

Thanks

Edit1. I think I found it. is it this one https://asic.to/ssh-unlock/ also, will it work/has been tested on s17+?
 
Edit2. 'S17+, T17+, S17, and T17 SD Card Image to Downgrade'/Unlock SD images.zip will not finish downloading, keep having my connection reset. do you have another link for it, please?

http://asic.to/files/SD%20images/SD_S17%2B.rar

The new link worked. thank you.

About my other 4 questions in bold above, do you have an answer, please?

Q1-Immersion or really really really cold environment with ton of airflow.

Q2-Depends on settings you use, your ambient temp and luck of a draw (silicon lottery).

Q3-Not unless you are in very hot environment or you plan on going above specs of PSU.

Q4-I am not part of taserz team nor do I have anything to do with devs (I am just another customer who pays fee same as you) but I assume they wouldn't lower the fee.

Hello,

There have been many issues reported with T17 series that are tied to temperature sensors checks.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5217800.0


Basicly all 4 sensors on 1 chain stop giving info and miner shuts down the chain. After several restarts it starts hashing normally until issue re-occurs after some time.

Is there a way we can disable / skip temp check on 1 chain with this firmware? Yes i am aware of all risks.

There probably is a way if developers decide to add it, but I highly doubt it because of the said risks.

I personally would never use that option, nor would I recommend anyone to use it even if it was implemented.

That said, I highly doubt Vnish or Taserz will add that option.

It would be good to have it for troubleshooting reasons. I am aware of a risk, but i am willing to take it. I mean, aren't we all crypto-enthusiasts risk takers?  ;D

I do know that awesome miner firmware has option to set requirement to accept at least 1 out of 4 on-board sensors in order to let the board hash, but i don't think it would work in my case as when issue occures all 4 sensors do not report their temps:


I wasn't thinking of adding it as an option per se. I would be happy if it was possible to terminate process via SSH.

Some risks are not worth taking. I would personally either RMA the unit or buy new temp sensors.

Thank you for your suggestion. Do you know where can new temp sensors be bought?

Hey there, sounds like an awesome firmware Taserz.
Do you have any numbers on underclock on S17+ and T17+ machines?

They are cheap right now and am considering using them with this.
Do they get better efficiencies than the non plus models?

https://www.digikey.com/product-detail/en/texas-instruments/TMP451AIDQFR/296-39298-1-ND/5142964

https://www.zeusbtc.com/Repair.asp



Yes I don't have numbers or tune configured yet but yes

@taserz I understand the below has been answered, BUT I would like that answer to come from you. It has something to do with accountability if know what I mean.

I am only interested in the S17+ model for the below.

Do you want to answer these questions ???

[Q1]is the s17+ 105TH speed for immersion, or normal air cooling operating medium?
I need to make sure I am making a profit, after the increase in speed and dev fee calculation, hence asking.

Also, [Q2]what is the wattage increase at the OC speed? and,

[Q3]will the PSU need extra cooling, will it be ok in the long term?

what about the dev fee, as halving is soon. [Q4] will it be lowered?

I hope you will not avoid answering these questions, again...

1. Your not pushing over 100T without liquid because it will draw to much power and psu will cut out. Colder = more efficient.

2. It depends it tunes itself sometimes it's less than factory w/th sometimes it is more it depends on the enviorment.

A client just sent me this

On the 91.5 profile when auto tuned it draws 3911 w.  On the 84th profile when auto tuned it draws 3527 w.  Out of the box it draws 2680w.

3.Psu is fine. Psu tapps out at around 4-4.1kw heating issues are rare but the psu is limited.

4. We are not sure yet but the underclocking on these machines is honestly crazy I am doing 966 watts at 38th/s on an S17

I could get you numbers for S17+ and S17 Pro.


Best achievements from my overclocking (S17+) are as follow (Wattage is read from software - I'll need to buy second power meter to measure it correctly):
95 TH/s - 3900W - 41.4 W/TH
92 TH/s - 3600W - 39.4 W/TH
85 TH/s - 3300W - 38.8 W/TH
50 TH/s - 1550W - 31.2 W/TH

Haven't gone lower than 50TH/s as I want to mine as much as possible before halving. But I will be aiming for less than 30W/TH on all of my machines after halving.

The software reporting of watts tends to be off by a fair bit (anywhere from 125 - 250 watts) on my s17 pro.  The more I under-clock, the greater the discrepancy, perhaps its fan wattage draw as the fan has to run faster on higher frequency/voltages to keep machine cool.  In all cases the chips stayed right around 75 as the software is programmed.  I would be interested to see how others are fairing in terms of at the wall watts.

Apologies as I couldn't figure out how to insert a table...

Actual Data:

Auto tune setting          asic watts                           wall watts                        discrepency
38                               819 (21.6 w/TH)                 1065 (28.0 w/TH)             246w (27%)
43                               1206 (28.0 w/TH)               1445 (33.6 w/TH)             239w (20%)
48                               1484 (30.9 w/TH)               1710 (35.6 w/TH)             226w (15%)
53                               1752 (33.1 w/TH)               1980 (37.4 w/TH)             228w (13%)
58                               2080 (35.9 w/TH)               2245 (38.7 w/TH)             165w (8%)
62                               2361 (38. w/TH)                 2500 (40.3 w/TH)             139w (6%)
67                               2745 (41.0 w/TH)               2870 (42.8 w/TH)              25w (5%)

For fair comparison on the same  rig:

Standard firmware

mode                      wall watts     
low (40.5)               1755 (43.3 w/TH)
normal (51)             2330 (45.7 w/TH)
high (57)                 2655 (46.5 w/TH)

There is quite a bit of power savings at the wall as you can see using the modded firmware, especially if under clocking.

Excellent, would love to see some numbers on a T17+ also.
Was sounding good in my head the numbers running, only to realize today halving is coming in ~20 days

lol

I really can't justify it based on ROI numbers, but i wish you all good luck ;)

How hot is it where you are?

I just tuned an S17Pro 62th/s to compare to you numbers software reported 2532W

so 2532W - Sofware

I measured 10.76amp @240 = 2582.4 (small loss from pdu) your numbers seem WAY OFF. I checked with a few clients and the biggest range I am seeing in power reading being off from the watt meter is 4%.

It's 60 - 65 F pretty consistently.  Here's something I noticed, your software wattage reported (2532w) is way higher than what my software reported (2361w) at 62 TH auto tune, BUT it seems right in line with my draw at the wall measurement (2500w).  So that's very interesting to me...

Further background on my situation.:

The watt-meter I am using is hard wired right into the breaker panel, circuit specific for my miner.  I do have the 50T s17pro version if that matters at all.  I reset the firmware and re-tuned for 58 TH.  This time it came in a 2010W on software and 2200w on panel.  Maybe my watt meter is reading high, or maybe my software is reporting low but that seems unlikely.  Standard specs from bitmain claim 1975w for 50T and I'm registering 2330w for 51T... that's a pretty big jump right there as well, so maybe it's my meter?  I'd be interested to see other peoples numbers.

And again, I compared the stock firmware to the custom using the same at the wall watt meter, so even i it's off, it's off for both equally and should still give a reasonable comparison. As I said before, there is still a significant power savings using your firmware. I'm not arguing the efficiency improvement at all, just trying to figure out the discrepancy between software and "actual."

Here are the pics of the miner, currently in action!
https://imgur.com/a/GWnq0H6

Hello greetings to all, currently my T17 after 5 months running smoothly has started to give me some problems;


and stop mining, this occurs between 12 noon and 6 or 7 p.m.,then it seems to work normally, the ambient temperature is about 31°c to 34°c
I'm not sure if it's a room temperature problem or a temperature sensor problem.
looking for some information I found your firmware, I have some questions;

1) Does your firmware solve this problem?
2) i have developed a script to keep control and check all my miners (hashrate, temperature, fans, ASIC status, etc) it shows the status of all the miners on one screen, it sends me email alerts if something is below the set values, i use socket connections and get the "json" response, with your firmware can i keep asking the miner for this information and get the same response by json?

here you can see a screenshot of my script: https://imgur.com/a/j5uKQOr (https://imgur.com/a/j5uKQOr)

thanks.

This is one of the meters that ties around the breaker right. I am using a clamp meter doing the same thing. This is odd. But these meters are generally pretty darn accurate. Does your breaker have 1 power lead or two (bigboi 30amp break).


That is a pretty hot room in general.... BUT

Temp sensors are STUPID FUCKING COMMON PROBLEM. Honestly it's more so your temp sensor shit the bed. Rebooting it might get it working or flashing the recovery firmware then flashing back.

you can call the bmminer-api stats to get the info. I am not sure if there is a webhook for it I will check.

Have you replaced any of those temp sensors? are they the same once used on the old models like Antminer S9? I tried googling and found no tutorial/guide on how to identify and replace these temp sensors, it seems like this is going to be a trend just like the "I lost a hash board" on the S9.

Yep, it's 220v so 2 hots.  It's only a 20 amp breaker, but I only have the one miner so I am well below max current draw.  It's also a short run, miner is 10 feet from the panel.  I use the exact same model watt meter for my EV charger and it reports fairly accurately there as best I can tell.  I may pull the EV charger one and make a "home made watt meter with outlet" and plug miner into that and see what that reports.  If they report the same then I'm not sure where to go from there.  Just a very bizarre scenario!

taserz, thanks for your answer, yes it seems to be a common problem in this model  :-\, where can I find the recovery firmware file?
I was looking in bitmain and I couldn't find it  ???

thanks

Bitmain doesn't publish the recovery files anymore and they want you to email them and request the exact recovery files you need, but you can get it here https://asic.to/download/s17-and-t17-sd-card-image-to-downgrade/ although that file contains more firmware than you need, it has S17+, T17+, S17, and T17, simply keep what you need and delete the rest.

I just received new T17+.  Latest BM firmware.  I am trying to extract the Unlock SD card files from asic.to.  The archive is password protected?  Any suggestions?
https://asic.to/download/s17-and-t17-sd-card-image-to-downgrade/

Also, seeing files for S17 and T17, but which to use for T17+?

There is no password on this T17+ sd image?

so unzipped with 7zip.  no problem.  i do only see the S17+.  does this work for the T17+?

huge difference. in bold.

It will help with 1/2 ing.

Based on my s17pro numbers I suspect you have a hot meter. You seem to be much higher then my  s17pros stock readings.

I am
 1592 low
 2225 normal
 2555 high

old firmware from April 2019 on the one pro I tested.

Thanks for checking that too. My pro also run much lower! Appreciated.

Thanks for your response, I have tried to download the file but the download stops without completing, I have tried from different browsers and with different ISP.
will you have the file on another server?
thanks

Thanks Phil,  what watt meter do you use?  I may look into getting one of those!

I have two identical meters like the one I posted.  I'll swap and see what it turns up, also do you suppose the leg I have the transformer on matters?  it shouldn't since this only pulls 220v unlike say a stove which also pulls 110v for the various electronics, in theory that would have a slightly higher leg amperage wise right?

True, I tried downloading it again and it gets stuck in the middle of the way, I will PM taserz and ask him to check the file, meanwhile you can get it from this link https://drive.google.com/file/d/1WeDRY_Xffeqot3Hlpx0rb2ZmCkMqP8h4/view?usp=sharing.

this meter
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00GMZRXE8
wired into this cable
https://www.ebay.com/itm/L6-30P-to-C19-Molded-Power-Cord-10ft-220V-250V-30A-Ships-Free/202904653534?

it measures by the hour not instant time

I like to take a 5 to 10 hour measurement

say  0 hour             100.00
      10 hours later   122.25

you did 22.25 kwatts / 10 = 2.225 kwatts an hour or 2225 watts  more accurate then a cheap meter.

Thanks again!  I swapped the meters, but unfortunately hooked the transformer up to line voltage and vice versa.... POP.  UHOH, bad smells...that meter is not happy now  :-\.

Hooked up original and everything is ok with miner, but it still reads high.

I went ahead and ordered one like yours and I will hook it up when it comes and report the results.  I like the idea of wiring it right into the cord.  I have an extra cord and will wire that one up while the miner runs then do a quick swap.  Don't suppose you'd be willing to snap a pic of yours?

here is the meter

https://i.imgur.com/SUmBDs5.jpg

it is spliced into this

https://i.imgur.com/QaA68LG.jpg

here is the cable that would run an s17 with no meter spliced in

https://i.imgur.com/MUoHeYQ.jpg

10 hour measurements are really accurate.

Why is my T17P hashing so HIGH???  This on BM firmware... :o

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1UnA73CBGES5LYF1mgnbk8Uwa8VOGfPv5/view?usp=sharing
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1ymHtqw17g2I8LAv5QP1gmsoS0kyvff5f/view?usp=sharing

philipma1957 has your hash rate returned to normal?

Meter installed yesterday, here is what I got:

62TH/s autotune:
asic firmware = 2360
old wattmeter = 2550
NEW INLINE METER = 49.4 KWH/20 hours = 2.47 or 2470W

Looks like firmware wattage reporting is still off by over 100w on this setting, but my old meter was indeed "hot" as suspected.  I'm going to drop it down to 58TH and measure again and see how close that one is.

taserz - The asic reading on your miner was 2532W - why is mine so much lower?

freq are 650, 650, and 646.67.  Autotune voltage is 18.0.  Did yours tune to a higher voltage?  170W seems like a lot.

Four fans at 2 amps each and 12 volts = 8 x 12 or 96 watts

controller is about 10 watts so 96 + 10 = 106. which is just about equal to your  110 watt difference.

my guess is the asic firmware at 2360 watts is hash boards only.

@coxye. my bad t17+ is still bad 2 of three boards are good.

@vr4dude316

it is most likely a software glitch.  you should always check pool rates on the miner gui and on the pool.

it would be nice if the pool gets those high readings like the miner gui shows.

I can check that by running a low hash rate where the fans turn at 10% or so and then jacking the fans up to 100% and see what the watt meter reports.  I'll try that later today too!

Is this a pro unit?

yes s17 pro 50T.

little question : i have a t17 with a hashboard with 3 defectives ASIC, 27 still ok but the original firmware turn off completly the hashboar. is you firmware can use the 27 asics and disable the 3 defectives one to continue working anyway?

I think disabling the hashboard due to a bad chip is not something the firmware does for no reason if you could technically mine with 1 chip why wouldn't they just allow you to do so?

https://i.ibb.co/9sZVZpj/unnamed.jpg (https://i.ibb.co/9sZVZpj/unnamed.jpg)

Above is an image of T17 hashboard and how do "electrons travel", those Asics are connected to one another, every miner design is different, I remember S9s had some different domains of chips where some boards could run with few chips, I don't think the T17 will let you do that.

Yeah I wish we could make it work with a dead chip but it takes out 4 with it.

Let it run for 24 hours to get your average.

Reminder to those helping violate the cgminer license.

No one can distribute a firmware that includes any cgminer binary - called cgminer or bmminer or anything else - without providing the source code on request.

This is a requirement of the cgminer code.
The code is free to use, you can read it, compile it, run it, distribute it, as long as you don't violate the license.
Many people put YEARS more effort into developing it than these scumbags violating the license.

It is not some random request, it is specified clearly in every file of source code for cgminer.

The OP seems to think he can ignore this requirement.
He also makes the bazaar claim that he has some dodgy lawyer who thinks he can ignore the license also.
That's bullshit. He is wrong.

Using his firmware is simply supporting breaking the license and makes you just as bad as him.

Not really condoning violation of licenses, but while you are on strike spree, would you mind contacting Bitmain so they can provide theirs?

I have many times.
What's your point?

I don't disagree with whatever you said, but allow me to ask you a few questions and I would appreciate it if you would answer me "politely" ( I know I am asking for too much from you  ;D).

Bitmain and almost every other mining gear manufacturer sell their miners with a firmware which is based on Cgminer, almost NONE of them provides the source code even upon request (Except for Avalon IIRC), so in short, they all are violating the license because they don't sell you a mining gear unloaded, it has the firmware INSIDE it.

Mind you that is not only Chinese manufacturers, some manufacturers like Obelisk located in Massachusetts also do the same exact thing, so it seems like nobody gives a **** about the license or everyone's lawyer told them it was ok to do so because it's strange to see a dozen of people breaking a license for nearly a decade now and yet nobody went to jail for that, please elaborate why doesn't anyone seem to care but you, and why don't you or anyone else sue all these people for breaking the license?

What he said. *read a post above mine*


My point is... Have you had any success? If not, why did you stop bothering them, gave up?

Once a change in circumstances for BM occurs, it will be possible to put pressure on them.

None of that answers my questions, he clearly mentioned this


I agree 100% to this very statement, but doesn't this also mean that buying mining gears from manufacturers who refuse to release the code upon request such as Bitmain and MicroBt is as bad as using a custom firmware by a random developer who refuses to do the same thing?

What makes Bitmain any different from Asic.to / Awesome miner? They all use cgminer one way or the other, they all violate the GPL 3.0 license, they should all be sued and forced to either release the code, pay a certain amount of fine or both.

But I don't see kano protesting against the purchase of mining gears from Bitmain and Microbt, in fact, he has no problem making a profit by running a pool which makes most if not all of its profit from mining gears made by companies that refuse to release the source code, almost every single block kanopool finds comes from either Bitmain or Microbt gear running a firmware that uses the cgminer code without releasing the source code for it. so kano has a problem with people using custom firmware, but he doesn't have a problem with making money out of those gears that violate the license.

My previous question on why hasn't anyone sued bitmain for this was not a random question, if anything it's jeff garzik who could sue them and probably directly get credited a handsome amount of money in his account, mind you jeff garzik is the original developer of the cpuminer who was assigned by Satoshi himself which then -ck used the cpuminer code to write cgminer which then was improved by Kano (I thank him for that despite his attitude). Jeff has a ton of money, he can probably hire the best lawyers and sue the heck out of all of these license violators, but he is not doing this, neither is -ck, which means they either know that it will be a lost-case or they simply don't give a fuck about it.

Well since you NEVER looked, you wont see anything.

Look and you CAN find MANY posts over the years and comments in IRC, of me telling people NOT to buy BM miners.

Canaan's latest miner is missing the cgminer source code ... I've contacted them about it already also ...

How much is the fee on this, now after the halving?

I look forward to your reply.

It hasn't changed nor will it change in near future AFAIK.

How is Bitmain or Asic.to violating  gplv3. They are not distributing cgminer. Just a Linux operating system that is allowed to be modified and repacked with other files. You can be in compliance sharing a Linux operating system that has binaries not in compliance. Fun Fact... Notice there are TONS of distros that are like this and would otherwise violate it as you state?

There are none.

You clearly do not understand licensing.
Let me explain it to you so you can avoid providing false information to people.

Distributing the linux OS can include software that doesn't require source code.
Not everything on the OS distribution must be GPLv3.
EVERYHTING in the linux distribution that IS GPLv3 MUST have source available, or a link to that source.
Some items in the distribution may have other licenses, that the distributors must also adhere to.

Read the above over and over and over until you understand what it says.

While you keep trying to justify, with false statements, your violation of the cgminer license, there is no justification for what you are doing.
You are violating the cgminer license.
Please cease doing it.

here: https://www.gnu.org/licenses/gpl-3.0.txt

I'd just like to say I have no axe to grind, I am not a programmer, and I'd dearly love to have a legitimate software update that lets me underclock my locked bitmain hardware. However I understand the logic of what is being asked, and I spent all of 5 seconds finding the actual answers rather than just posting a link to the license text. Everywhere I can see in the GPL FAQ it says you have to provide the source code.

I understand also that bitmain hasn't provided the source code so anyone offering modified firmware can't do it either.

Its a similar scenario to handling stolen goods, just beecause the person who you got the goods from "stole" them first, doesn't mean you can resell or give out the "stolen" goods as legit, especially seeing as you know that they were stolen goods in the first place.

I also get that there isn't really much that anyone can do about it, ck doesn't care, and kano doesn't have the resources to fight a multi-billion dollar company like bitmain, but that doesn't mean that kano doesn't have the right to point out that distributing cgminer in a software package without the source code is wrong.

Things you can find doing a quick serach of the FAQ using the word "source"

Does the GPL require that source code of modified versions be posted to the public?


What does “written offer valid for any third party” mean in GPLv2? Does that mean everyone in the world can get the source to any GPLed program no matter what?


Can I release a modified version of a GPL-covered program in binary form only?


I downloaded just the binary from the net. If I distribute copies, do I have to get the source and distribute that too?


I want to distribute binaries, but distributing complete source is inconvenient. Is it ok if I give users the diffs from the “standard” version along with the binaries?


I know I'm probably not aware enough of the technicalities "firmware" upgrade process, but can you not create a firmware that doesn't include bmminer? Just leave the one that's on the miner in place when the upgrade script runs? I'm assuming that you haven't modified and recompiled bmminer code because, well you don't have the code to modify (see above), so your just scripting around the voltage/frequency settings and maybe written a custom "optimization" app? No idea. But if you left out the bmminer (cgminer) executable from your firmware then you wouldn't need to provide the source code (that you haven't got anyway) ???

I wish it was the easy. You see you have to make a custom driver and inject that into bmminer. You can't really get the source of that since you are hacking it together. Also that is correct I do not have the source for bmminer. Sure you can try to decompile the binary but it will not be anywhere near the proper source code nor will it compile properly without hacking the shit out of it. Also controlling voltage/ frequency is not possible with just scripts running on the machine. The bitmain bmminer driver they implement locks all of that out except for the ones they have hidden or tucked away. They don't allow individual chip tuning only full dashboard nore pretty much every feature we have added. We can't give the source for something we don't have or something we patched. If you want that go ask bitmain but good luck they will tell you nope.

Also not including bmminer means it won't mine essentially bricking the asic.

Lastly we don't provide a binary of cgminer or bmminer. We provide a Linux operating system with binaries from various third parties which some do and some don't respect the license they are under. That is like asking the car dealer how the airbag is made. It's just a part they use so they have no idea.

It's not a car from a car dealer - so I don't really care how your local car dealer tries to rip you off, it's not relevant.

It's a miner firmware you are distributing that contains binaries built using cgminer code.
cgminer is licensed under the GPLv3 ... as you clearly know and have even linked above.
You do not follow the license ... as Biffa has also made clear to you ... even if you didn't bother to read the license you linked.
Aside: ignorance of a license is no excuse under the law to ignore it. But of course you've even linked that you knew the license text itself.

Again:
You are violating the cgminer license.
Please cease doing it.

Though I have pointed this out multiple times to you this year just in this thread, but also in PM.

Firstly,  thanks for the info about injecting a custom driver into bmm/cgminer, I have no idea about how one would go about that, I imagine from your description  that it's not like a separate driver called by the bmminer executable (like a graphics card driver called by the OS) but rather by "injecting" it you are combining it into the cgminer executable?

I didn't mean not including it, but rather not removing the one that is already on the machine, but I guess if you need to replace it with this custom driver injected version, well that rules that idea out.

It appears however, regarding your idea of getting around the GPL by distributing an operating system, you are unfortunately completely wrong about that as well. All GPL3 applications bundled with a Linux distro must provide access to the source code for the application.Even the Linux kernel itself is GPL3 and the source code is available for that.

According to greater minds than I, any application included in a linux distro that is released under GPL3 must be able to give e access to the source of said application. Of course if the application is not published under GPL then its proprietary and you dont need  to provide acces to the source.

i.e.

https://www.gnu.org/licenses/gpl-faq.en.html#MereAggregation

https://searchdatacenter.techtarget.com/answer/Clarifying-the-GPL-Why-Linux-distros-cannot-be-copyrighted

https://www.zdnet.com/article/using-gpl-software-in-embedded-applications/

That is rude. No one should get ripped off by my car dealership. He is nice guy.

How do I know it is using cgminer code? It is a compiled binary?

I did read what I linked. Clearly you didn't read it all and you would know what I am referencing.

Again I did not modify or alter cgminer. I am just providing a Linux operating system. Thank you.


Yeah the driver is not in the operating system but lives within a program. Think of it as an operating system inside an operating system. Kind of not really but that makes sense. The Inner os doesn't talk to outer os to figure out how to talk to hashboards.

Yeah source code for cgminer is on cgminer github. I did not alter it. Thought that was made pretty clear. You can't give the source code to something you don't have... Please tell me how to make the airbag that is in your car... I don't make airbags I just put it in my car.

Also GPL3 license does not apply to something not under GPL3. It is packaged into a distro. You need to talk to the person that made the cgminer binary... not me. You should email bitmain or just compile it from source except bitmain's shit driver is not in there. You guys are both missing how GPL3 doesn't apply here but I will continue entertaining this. Email https://asicseer.com/ watch what they will say when you ask GPL3 please or please tell me.

Actually here is a quote from last time it was brought up

"but, many armchair GPL retards do not know this, you can build and distribute files on a linux distribution with non-GPL licenses attached"

No you aren't.
You are distibuting a firmware that includes Linux and a binary based on the cgminer source code that has the GPLv3 license.
... and you already know this.

You keep contradicting yourself and ignoring the license.
You can't get around the license requirement - stop making up things that you claim allow you to ignore the license.
You can't.

That is a dielema for people, who want to program something usefull, and the original manufactor is violating the gpl. They can only violate also, or leaving the potential user in the rain by not programing anything.

Or is there a legal way in control of the programer?

How do I know it is based on it? Bitmain didn't say it is cgminer. I can't give the source to something I don't have. I emailed them they said no.

I am not distributing a firmware that is sort of like a bios or to flash something into it's room. This is a Linux distro. We just call it firmware because no one knows the difference anymore.

I no contradict myself. You should read the licensee of gpl3.

Well you just better hope that BTC never makes it to $100k
If it does, then I'll probably go to the trouble of getting a bunch of lawyers involved.
I know quite a few lawyers and judges, and one of them is also an IP (Intellectual Property) lawyer.

You'd be first on my list, and asicseer would be second.
Both due to the way you treat the license and make up fake excuses about why you think you can ignore it.

Not that it will happen in near future ($100k target) but humor me here, shouldn't your "first on the list" be Bitmain?

Luckily, due to the existence of free will (and the reason I have already given) I get to choose and not someone else decide for me.

If btc hits 100k no one will give a shit. Also please tell me how your lawyer and judge (since apparently you know corrupt judges now) is going to attack someone in Russia wrongly and in bad faith? Please tell me how your going to have your USA mafia kidnap someone to your land of not free.

I am first on the list? Go look at asicseer's partners it looks likey they are actually making money off it. Maybe you should ask them since you want to take money from people since that seems to be your motive?

Real talk though if btc hits 100k. Mind you I have been in btc since before you probably even heard of it xD and this was my second account on here for the record. I will just buy a damn island maybe a few... $100k is a long ways away. HODL GANG bruh

xaxaxa

He can't go after Bitmain, because he allows their gears which violate the cgminer license on his pool, and he directly or indirectly makes a lot (probably most) of his profit from those mining gears.


We all agree on Kano's terrible behavior and personality but I have to disagree to this, Kano has been in the game from the get-go, if not for his behavior and perhaps weak hands in Hodling BTC - he would have been so rich to the point where he wouldn't bother running a mining pool, with that being said we have to give credit where credit is due, Kano is probably in the top 5 of best pool developers. if only his attitude was half as good as his skills.

I mean f2pool, viabtc, slush, poolin, binance must I go on

Also, look when I joined this forum :) I lurked a while before signing up ;) I just like the tech aspect of mining.

You joined 8 days before him. Odd...

Imagine this conspiracy theory: Kano is actually Taserz and he is doing this as publicity stunt  :o :o

JK, but yeah, you guys joined almost exactly 2 years after bitcointalk was launched.

Forgive me if these are stupid questions but:

1) After installing this firmware, if you're not happy with it, is it possible to flash the miner back to original Bitmain firmware?
2) If you did the above and had to return the unit back to Bitmain for repair, could they tell that you've been running aftermarket firmware on the device?

Yes, but you have trust the firmware maker on that, taserz can lock you in forever if he wants to, he could probably even disable the SDcard boot with some signature/security stuff and then you will be stuck with the firmware forever unless you buy a new control board, but taserz won't do such a thing, he is a nice lad and highly trusted.


If we all agree that COULD and WOULD mean two different things then "could they" is probably yes, it's technically possible for them to know if they have implemented the right method to record firmware updates but I doubt they have any of that, now the "would they" part is a  no, I have heard from a few people whom I trust very much that they returned their miners to bitmain after having used a custom firmware and bitmain served them without an issue ( obviously after having flashed back the firmware), but there is no guarantee that it will work for everyone so that will be at your own risk, and honestly you shouldn't send the gear back if you flash a custom firmware.

If I were to run a custom firmware and toast my gear, I would most certainly not send it back to bitmain because that is plain dishonesty and stealing, it's like putting olive oil in your brand new car's engine and once the engine goes bad you send it back to the dealer falsely claiming it's not your fault, of course, Asic.to isn't like olive oil in your car engine, in fact you could very well underclock it and bitmain would be happy with that since it reduces the chances of you sending the gear back, but since they don't allow you to do so, it's nothing but cheating if you do it.

It's actually the underclocking and using less power option that appeals to me. I have 18 x new S19 Pro on order from Bitmain, but only enough power available for 15. I was planning to sell on some of my older gear, but having read this about custom firmware, I was thinking perhaps to underclock some of my older T17+ units which have had a hard life to free up some power rather than selling them on. That being said, I do also have 12 x new T17+ units (in a different installation).

I've now installed this firmware on 2 of my old (non-warrantied) T17+ units to do some testing. Will post some results shortly :)

Last I heard kano lives in the land down under. Not the USA.

Honestly, this is the only rational way of treating these fragile gears, except for the S17 pro probably all other gears are already clocked very near what they can handle, and with the terrible solder paste on all of them every single degree of temp matters, so what we know?

1- Running the 17 series on default settings has about 30% failure/RMA rate
2- Overclocking them will with a doubt set you above 30% failure rate, so maybe 50%?
3- Underclocking them will obviously get you a much lower rate than 30%

So if one doesn't want to go with the third option, you would at least not go with the second one, as phill mentioned before, in order for these gears to remain profitable, they need to remain functional in the first place.

What is the process to revert to Bitmain firmware? I have tried to do this using the standard 'web' method but it doesn't work. It appears to upload the firmware but when the device reboots, it's still the Asic.to firmware. This doesn't appear to be documented in the manual or on the website...

Afaik, you can just use sdcard with original firmware. Not really sure if that is the only option. I cannot remember if I used normal "upgrade" via web or sdcard when I was flashing back my S17 PRO to original after it broke (it broke on original, vnish's firmware helped me use it for couple of months with 2 hashboards but then I decided to RMA it as it was broken before I even touched anything).

Is that simply a case of putting the original firmware on an SD card (as available from the Bitmain download page) or is a specific SD card version required?

Not really sure that can be done, there is however a few of sd card images around web which Bitmain sent officially to someone for purposes of troubleshooting. Try to find it or just join Vnish group on Telegram, Taserz is active there every day, unlike here.

Did you try to press CTRL+F5 after flashing the new firmware? in most cases, the flash is successful using only the web update method but the browser's cache needs to be refreshed.

Also would you explain the reason/s for leaving Asic.to? what problems did you face? what did you dislike about it?

I did indeed - it's definitely still Asic.to firmware.

I tried this on 2 different units, one overclocked and one underclocked. These are T17+ 58 TH/s, around 11 months old.

In both cases, the performance at the pool is significantly less than the performance reported from the miner GUI. To be fair, I used the 24 hours measurements from pool with the miner GUI showing > 24hr elapsed hashing.

On the overclocked machine: GUI showing consistent 67 TH/s - pool reporting around 58 TH/s (24 hour period)
On the underclocked machine: GUI showing consistent 34 TH/s - pool reporting around 28 TH/s (24 hour period)

Pool is F2Pool. I wondered perhaps it's a pool thing, however I have 10 x S9 (14TH/S) overclocked with Asicseer firmware and they are spot-on (GUI reports 16.8 TH/s, Pool reports same).

So my conclusion, the miners work better with Bitmain firmware. I have no use for this at the moment. The only use I can think is perhaps if the miner is faulty and this custom firmware can be used to make it more stable, something like that...

I sent tasers a message on telegram, he will respond to your post soon (hopefully) he probably has an answer on how to go back to the original firmware, the difference in hash rate is huge to say the least, it is strange that you are the first to mention it, let us see what tas has to say on this matter.

I already informed taserz about this problem long ago, but it wasn't that noticable for me. Fee is 3% and danieleither is losing almost 14% of his hashrate (if he is saying truth as I do not see any pictures).

My difference is closer to 5-7% instead of 3% but that is only if I OC. As soon as I downclock, it's closer to 4-5% (which is still higher than 3%) but it's nowhere near the 14% that danieleither is saying.

I've no reason to lie about it. Which pool were you testing with?

Perhaps the difference varies with different settings, but there IS a difference and it's significant, which gives me trust issues. If the hashrate reported is inaccurate, how can I trust that the power consumption is accurate, or reported chip temperatures etc.

I'm not saying I'd never use this firmware, but for the 2 x units I tested on (which are perfectly healthy, albeit 9 months old) - I think stock firmware is best for now.

I may use this in future for underclocking, but I won't trust the figures in the GUI.

I know you don't, I tend to trust your words but it's common sense that you should provide a proof to support such a serious claim, I have interacted with you a lot of times and as I said I do tend to believe you, but if people ask for a proof you shouldn't take it personal, it's normal, now back to the real subject:

I highly think that there is something techinally wrong here, there are a ton of reasons why would your mining gear report less hashrate on the pool than shows on the miner status page, in order for anyone including the firmware devs to troubleshoot the issue - a few informations are needed.

1- Ping stats to the pool.
2- Screenshot from the miner status page that shows everything from time-elapsed, hashrate, hardware errors, stale, rejected, and etc.
3- Screenshot from the pool status showing all hashrate related details.
4- The kernel log.

There is a good chance that your gears simply didn't like the firmware and they were mining with a ton of hardware errors, or during the test your connection to the pool got lousy and a good amount of shares got lost in the way, or the miner was tunning for a whole hour or so (not exactly hashing to the pool) and you took that time into considerations, I mean there is a lot of reasons that can cause a huge difference of 14%, one of them of course is the dishonesty of the dev-fees which i highly doubt in this given situation.

I used slushpool.

Power consumption is an estimate and every unit draws different amount at same speed. Reported chip temperature SHOULD be valid as it's drawn from temp sensors same as in original Bitmain firmware. For underclocking it's great, for some overclocking results, I am not sure what is going on. We will have to wait for taserz to come and chime in.

Meanwhile, if you haven't reverted back yet, take some screenshots and copy/paste Kernel Log in .txt file so we can check what is going on.

Hey guys, I see earlier in the thread there was mention of the asic.to firmware working with the S17e's? Is this correct? Don't see it on the website available for download, unless you just use the S17 version of the firmware.

No, there was no mention of asic.to firmware working with S17e or T17e. And no, that is not correct, it does not support it.

You can use it for T/S17 (Pro) and S17+.

WhatsMiner firmware soon to come. Big clients feel free to reach out as big clients will get to demo it before the public to prevent WM from trying to patch it.

mikeywith was interested in WhatsMiner firmware, not sure if he personally wanted it or not.

I don't fit under the "big clients" category by any means  ;D, I also don't have that many MicroBT gears, although I plan to get rid of all Bitmain Asics and move to MicroBT, the recent price spike and the pandemic came in the way, my gears were supposed to be at least 30-40% MicroBT by now, but for now the numbers favor the fact that I don't sell/buy any gears and just mine on with what I have.

Having said that, once I migrate all the available power I have from Bitmain to MicroBT gears, I would love to try the custom firmware.

Always have a special place in my heart xD

We can make it happen so you can try it out. There is a reason need to keep it private and it's because MicroBT doesn't like firmware and because they don't like firmware that means they are terrorists. THAT'S RIGHT I ACCUSED THEM

Thanks Marc, it's great to know that I am special and you trust me.  ::)


If they don't want custom firmware on their mining gears they should at least develop one that works as people need it to work, the fact that people use custom firmware and pay fees on top of that is clear evidence that these stock firmware suck big time, if they want to kick you guys out of the market all they have to do is make a firmware that does it's job the way it is supposed to, but I don't see that happening any time soon.

Imagine big companies like Bitmain and MicroBT buying out small developers like Taserz/Vnish/Thierry/Chipless, and instead of custom firmwares being made, they make awesome default firmwares which everyone would love!

Imagine that dream coming true... Dream on!

Funny enough... You know I will just wait on this one.

^^ So spot-on, one of the few times I quote in entirety. Merit given :D

Or... Talk to Steve the Global Marketing Director (afaik) at Canaan and strike up a deal. He's here in the Forum and quite approachable. Sounds like a perfect Marketing tool for them - out of the box tweakability. (like Avalons *used* to have...) ;)

Prior to their A10xx on up there was no real need for 3rd party FW because they implemented quite a sizeable laundry list of things you can tweak.

A10xx on up uses what they call FMS (https://github.com/Canaan-Creative/fms) vs straight-up cgminer/BMminer and previous OpenWrT/LuCi. Not sure how much of the API is directly supported but - it still has exceedingly good hooks for gathering data and tweaking performance down to the chip level.

Problem is, while basics for setting freq, fan speed, Vcore and a few other bits of Kano's cgminer API is of course supported Canaan has been less than helpful giving us back our switches... Speaking of which, even Kano with his very good dev contacts at Canaan has not been able to get much out of them about what what all the API or lower-level FMS switches are. Think you folks could strike up a deal with them?

Well, that will be something, I already see a few issues beforehand from trust to money, will MicroBT pay these devs more money than what they already make? will they trust them not to release any parts of it? are the devs willing to go to China?  ::)

A couple more obstacles are ahead, the most important one is the financial incentives for MicroBT/Bitmain, what is the motive to hire and pay these devs when people are paying a premium for gears that are subject to ROI in well over 1.5 years and come with their shitty firmware? motives are close to zero, business is going fine the way it is now.

With that being said, and as we have discussed in the difficulty thread, the more we advance in this technology, chip size alone won't be the all and end all of it, getting the last bit of your gear out through the firmware will be everybody's interest, at one point in the future everyone will want to have a firmware that can tune their gears to get the max benefits be it more hashrate or more efficiency, when that time comes, I don't see why these giants manufuturer couldn't use the help of people like Tas and Thierry.

True true... But let's shatter my dream a bit with cold reality.

Why would Bitmain give such a good firmware to everyone? I mean, you are correct mikey, if people are already paying such premiums, why would they given anything in return? Maybe they could start selling firmwares as addition (+50$ cost or something like that) to miners, but that would probably be a hassle for them.

Also, one more reason they will *probably* never do something like that:
S17Pro

Just look at it, after newest firmware of S9 (which came with incremental speeds) this is the only miner that came with multiple speeds IIRC. What did it accomplish? Nothing... Turbo just made more gears break and even Normal wasn't stable on all of them.

Now imagine giving power of overclocking to newbie, who is rich AF and just bought 50k units and starts overclocking all of them to the roof because he has cheap electricity and he wants to fully use his gear. He is going to break at least 30% of his gear by overvolting. Be that PSU or burned hashboards due to high temps or whatever else that could happen. Now who is here to blame? Bitmain that supposedly gave people power of overclocking and also gave warranty with it (which they would never do - one more problem here. Give people power of overclocking but they break warranty if they do OC) or user who pushed his gear too far because he doesn't know anything about OC-ing.

Yes, a lot of us would be happy if Bitmain did include awesome new customizable firmware. But realistically, that is NEVER going to happen.

Now Cannan/MicroBT are different stories, they could do something like that and maybe even become bigger than Bitmain over years when people figure out how much better their firmware and machines are. But that is also a dream... A dream that will probably never come true as Bitmain is here to stay it seems. And stay AT TOP that is.

What info do you have on that?

Also, let's just say I had some friends help get them to open the source code publicly.

There is a reason they don't want to give that out. Also, what does Kano know? I just had to patch a bug that has been in cgminer for god knows how long and it took a week to figure out where it was. (I am kidding Kano about what do you know trying to not trigger you).


Hey how do you know my pitch...

Also MicroBT does not like firmware. I have bitched at them back and forth for months and they patched every secuirty exploit they thought we were using. Luckily they are fucking horrible at security and there are so many flaws to get in... Stay tuned.

Which firmware is for the s17 Pro?

Just want to be sure before I go tinkering around.

Also how does this compare to vnish and brainsos+ firmwares out there?

As far as I know, S17 Pro and S17 (non-pro) use the same exact firmware, so you can use the S17 version for your S17 Pro, I am 99.99% sure about this theory but to be 100% sure wait for Tazy to confirm it, you can also reach out to him on Telegram where he is most active.

Thank you, will do.

I confirmed from Taserz that my previous reply is accurate, for your S17 pro you should indeed use the S17 version.

Good luck.

Accessing asic.to website gives a big warning as of today:



Expired SSL certificate?

Any plans for a t17e?

Hello,
Just looking for a little help.

I have an T17+ with a bad control board.
I picked up an S19 control board that seems to be the same (same #'s underneath their Bitmain stamp/same configuration of plugs/etc)..

I tried flashing, via sd card, the firmware onto the new board.
Two of the three green lights on top of the board blink and that's about it.
It still has the S19 firmware on it.
Any tricks to getting this done?
Thanks,

No, no and NOOOO. Why would you do this? This firmware is not compatible with X19 miners. Go to bitmain and download your original firmware and flash it back.

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It's stated other wise on thier website:


Even though they sell them separately on their website, they do seem pretty similar if you ask me, but I don't trust Bitmain so ya, could be another mistake.

@jimjam123, where did you buy it from?

I stand corrected.

But still, I doubt asic.to works on that control board.

I bought it from ebay. The guy said he will give me my $50 back if it doesnt work.

I have also been emailing with Bitmain, and they dont seem to know what to do either. They emailed me some master reset/Test Firmware that I have been trying and still are having the issue.

I am able to load awesome miner and it is doing the same thing.

I changed the ribbons too.

It may be a lost cause at this point and may need to send it into Bitmain for repair, which I totally do not want to do.

I think you shouldn't send it to bitmain, they will likely keep it forever, what I would do is put this one out for sale, I am sure someone with many S19s would want a spare control board, and then get another T17 control board from someone else and make sure it has the 17 series firmware on it and not the S19.

With that being said, expect the buyer to contact you saying the control board didn't work on their S19 either, where are you located? I might help you locate some resellers to help you sell/buy/exchange the control boards.

In fact, you just can't ... switch a card with firmware 17 to 19 is possible but the opposite is not!

In fact, even the 19 control boards bought as spare parts, some come with firmware 17, and bitmain invites us to flash firmware 19 on top ... doing this LOCKs the board under firmware 19 !! ! so it is no longer possible to go back because bitmain has totally locked flashing by sd card in their firmware 19 ... probably to avoid secondary firmware lol


https://support.bitmain.com/hc/en-us/articles/900003173106-Instructions-for-setting-up-your-new-S19-control-board

Then what was all that about


I do understand that Bitmain support is terrible, but this basic information that they should know, no? I would like to see what's in the master reset firmware they sent and if it's any different from that default-test firmware that comes with the separately purchased control board, jimjam123 can you upload the firmware they sent you?

Here is the name of the file they sent to me.

T17+/FT-B整机测试刷机SD卡母片

When I upload it, there is some large red-print that says "test Firmware".

I actually found a local buyer that has several machines and he will be using this one for parts. Just hate not being able to fix this thing.

Almost all control boards of the 17/19 series that are bought separately from Bitmain (not with a mining gear) come with a firmware that says "Test Firmware" in bold red, which allows you to flash any other firmware, but the version they sent you could be a different one and it might be useful to some devs like thierry4wd and Marc, so could you please upload it and paste the link here?

If you confirm that this SD card file allows you to go from S19 to T17 + (or other) then yes, this is interesting for us (developers)

If you have trouble sharing this file with us, here's an easy link;)


https://easyupload.io/

It seems to be the same file on their website, nothing special.

On that note, anyone know of an ASIC repair company/person stateside?

Where are you located? there is a repair center in North Carolina, you can check my "Where to fix your Asic miners" (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5297994.0) topic for clues, also any repair discussion is welcome there.

I'm new here, but I just got a used S17 Pro 53 that is now running this firmware.

As luck would have it, my used S17 Pro has the dreaded temperature sensor failure in chain #2.   The initial troubleshooting had me revert back to the original firmware and then upgrade to the latest stock firmware.

I've must done the firmware update procedure a dozen times, but every time chain #2 would not pass the temperature sensor check and would never hash.  I limped along at about 40T for about a few weeks.

I read that the overclock firmware would potentially override the temperature sensor error that prevented the chain from hashing.  So off I went worried about signature and sd card issues, I read about regarding the latest stock firmware.

Using BTC Tools I successfully installed overclocking firmware.   I initially had Hiveos overclock install, but because I don't have anything in their ecosystem I decided to try Asic.to.

So after the long wait for auto tuning, I can report that all of my chains are now hashing.

I have my miner set at 58T @ 600 MHz / 2100 W auto tune (56.5T avg and 2243w reported in miner console).   It's been less then 24 hours, but its all running good.

Thanks!

Would you please elaborate more? How were you able to get rid of the latest stock firmware? as far as I know, even with the Sdcard it's not possible anymore unless the latest firmware they recently uploaded has some different signatures.

To confirm, the latest stock firmware installed on my antminer see screenshot below.

https://imgur.com/IbuC7nG

I was instructed to go to the page below to reset my controller board by the reseller.

https://service.bitmain.com/support/download?product=Flashing%20SD%20card%20with%20image

I used the "sd_set_default_password_enhanced_0527_S17Pro.7z" firmware. I was then able to use BTC Tools to install any firmware. (Changed password to root in "sd_set_default_password_enhanced_0527_S17Pro.7z" before installing firmware to work with BTC Tools).

Also I've installed HiveOS, Asic.to, and other overclock firmware. I must have done it a million different times.

Thanks for responding, it's great to know that this Sd version works for the latest firmware, however, the confusion isn't totally cleared, after you put the "sd_set_default_password_enhanced_0527_S17Pro.7z" on an SDcard and insert that Sdcard into the miner and perform the flash you should be able to upload any firmware directly from the browser, why did you have to use BTC tool for that?

I think I did try uploading using the default browser and it did work, but I just got more comfortable using BTC Tools.   I liked the firmware upload status information better in BTC Tools.   I felt that it gives you a better confirmation on successful flashes, as I could always tell if it was or was not successful in BTC Tools.  In the browser, I felt like I had to reboot so that I can check to confirm if the flash was successful as it wasn't always obvious after flashing.

I just wanted to clear the confusion because in your first post it did seem (to me at least) that you managed to get rid of the latest firmware using only BTC tool, but your post was really useful since I didn't know the latest firmware was even flashble using Sdcard, it was not a few months ago, I don't know what has changed since then, and it does not really matter, it's good news nonetheless.

As far as flashing from the browser, I personally don't find it confusing, although I do understand why some people find it difficult to understand if the flash went through or not, I think it takes time to get used to the poor GUI of these miners.

I didn't say it was yours in particular that corrupts the eeproms, did i? But have fun twisting my words for your convenience.

There are no pissing contests, the results are out there. Next time, read Bitmain's documentation on how to reflash their firmware from sd and stop blaming it on others. Its a different OS duh. Why don't you blame Apple when your Windows game doesn't "install easy" in your Mac OS?.

None of my words were specifically meaning your firmware in particular, for you taking it this personally that is your own personal issue.

"Autotuning" is a "feature", beyond the name, there are zero similarities. You don't even use the Rust language. Are you using your own miner or Con Kolivas work? Did you comply with his license? If you did, good for you...

Notice that its you mentioning other firmware by name, i never mentioned yours in particular, so there is no confusion on MY part, read very well what i wrote in that thread which was conveniently locked before i could even reply.

I did object of you saying that Braiins OS is "making it hard to remove it", no it isn't. Its ANOTHER OS, not based on Bitmain's, and the flash image facility simply doesn't work because its incompatible, it is NOT locked. Can YOU make a flash image compatible with Openwrt/Braiins OS to directly flash your own firmware from the Braiins OS UI? Then why YOU don't do it? There is no signature checking, nothing is stopping you, and you even have access to the source code.

Just because you rewrote what we wrote in another language doesn't make it different. You can write yours in rust, javascript fucking assembly it's still copying our IP the Zero similarities claim you just made is far from correct and we all know this. I can pull up chat logs where braiins has stated we corrupt eeproms so it's irrelevant you are taking back your words now...

Also sure you can it's not like your using the whole entire nand and using an open source bootloader is not the end of the world. Hell linux has Wine for a reason ;) If you're going to offer someone a product they can just throw a sd card into to install you should make it just that easy to uninstall. The industry is not all neck beards and I had to make a canned response for directing people how to uninstall...

No signature checking... I won't even go down that road now.

I don't know what chat logs are you talking about, but they don't involve me personally. So, whatever taserz. Your personal agenda is not my problem. You seem to be confusing me with somebody else... Since you are so confused and cant stop somehow making strange accusations, I'll just leave you in peace, i said what i wanted to say and ideally my previous message would have gone into that locked thread.

Let me tell you something interesting. Unlike some other firmware, We do NOT write to the eeprom of the hashboards. Should a bug, or a power failure occur during this, you may end with an apparently unusable miner, as certain firmware mods are known to corrupt the eeprom when writing their "tuning values" (Essentially copying out method of tuning machines). Instead, we talk directly to the chip using the PIC.

We won't lie to you unlike other stating how there are nasty values in the eeprom... lmfao

You can mix and match hasboards and basic chips as long as it is the same model unlike our competitors allowing quicker and easier repairs.

Our autotuning algorithm and features pioneered this industry which our competitors take advantage from and copy how they adjust chips in the same ways we do. We really appreciate your business and thank you for support the original firmware group not any of the copycats.

Also, another fun fact unlike all of our competitors we do not trigger one of the methods bitmain uses to identify if the firmware was loaded onto the machine (Not the eeprom for those who think that is the only way they can identify).


Also a little fun fact S19 in testing right now running at 160T on air cooling, WM m20s pushing 86T on air. stay tuned for the tuned results and the stress tests where we push the big numbers talking 200+ th/s!!!!

Our new update is almost ready. Just wanted to point out our sister service anthill.farm will soo be included with the current firmware fee at no extra cost :)

Correct me if Im wrong but , Im assuming you had to modify cgminer to make your drivers or modified drivers work with it? If so, wouldnt GPL dictate you must share said source?
Also, I havent read this whole thread ... but is it correct to assume that your modifications and / or vnish's mods are part of the L3+ nh firmware / cgminer?  I dont know who wrote the original devfee threads part but yeah ... I think GPL requires sharing almost, if not all of this source.

I personally take issue w/ the designed forced devfee part. As in, Ive seen miners "failover" to devfee indefinitely until said miner was restarted, The fact cgminer wont even start up unless devfee pools are alive...    its one thing to have a devfee mechanic ... its another to potentially have it steel a majority of hashrate / prevent mining of folks miners at large.

Yes he even explicitly admits to violating the license in that reply.

It will not get stuck on devfee indefinitely I have not seen that happen before. Source code is public.

Source code is avail? where at?

I have installed BraiinOs on my S17 + miners.

I would like to use a different firmware, but I cannot get it installed. I tried it with an SD card but it doesn't work.

Can you help me?

Don't use this one - it violates the cgminer license.

Hello,

I would like to ask you is that normal for T17 frequency to be a 720MHz and get 43TH/s?

Thanks!

You need to uninstall braiins. They make it hard to uninstall.
no go away your racist


What is power draw? How many boards?

I have one miner (T17) with 3 boards x30 chips (BM1397) in total 90pcs. Power consumption is 2290W, voltage on each board is 17V, frequency is 720MHz. Temperatures are 60 to 72 degrees for chips and 40 to 52 degrees for PCB.

Thanks!

Unexpected reply ... not sure how that's implied in anything I've ever posted on the forum in the last 10 years ...

But I will point out that since I am the 2nd main developer of cgminer, I certainly do know the license and how it's being violated by asic.to

S19, S19 Pro, T19, S19j, S19j pro, S19 Hydro firmware about to hit the shelves. Whole new system too :)

Also 2 other miners that are not to be named  :D

Hmm - posting lies about me above to further your illegal agenda ...

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So I went to your site asic.to listed in the first post and there's a blue download link at the top.
I clicked on it.
This shows a list of firmware I can download.
So I clicked on one and it took me to your downloads here:
https://mega.nz/folder/n88URC4J#_WPlCR-AV38JVjVJia-d7Q

There I downloaded Antminer-T17+-2.0.3-.tar.gz

In the tar file there's an image file for the firmware: fw.tar.gz
In that tar file there's an image file for to the miner: uramdisk.image.gz

Decompressing that file gives the image file that contains usr/bin/cgminer

Please provide me with the source code download for the cgminer you are distributing in your firmware.
It is a requirement of my cgminer license that you provide it.

@Taserz
Earlier you've claimed the source code is public. And also the cgminer license requires it to be public.

Where can we see the source code?

The alternative miner firmware providers are no better in their actions than Bitmain, if they keep violating the license.
If you can't respect the license, then I think you should write your own mining software.
But that's something only few people have been able to do so far.

That is bitmains cgminer. well bmminer.. Ask them for the source code. Code injection != having the source code... You can open it up and try to dump cgminer from bitmain but it doesn't work that way since it is compiled code by bitmain. You can inject code though



Yes it is on github. Otherwise ask bitmain they compiled it they have source. If you hex edit a file do you have the source no...So you must contact bitmain for latest source. If you like I can give you email you can contact about this.

You know what the license is, you know this isn't relevant.

The GPLv3 license quite clearly states that if you distribute cgminer, you must provide source code on request.

You are distributing cgminer, you must provide source code on request.

That also includes the code you are clearly stating you are injecting.

Go Kano!

anyway, whoever making these custom firmware and charging fees to the miner should give some of the fees to KANO for his contributions to the cgminer or donate for a good cause ??? Also wander any antguardian type software distribute cgminer? or they just use API and not subject to GPL?

  Hello,

Have 15 T17+ in one location, want to upgrade firmware for all of them and work 8 of them immersed and the rest air-cooled
any recommendations ??
thank you

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