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I'm back on the notebook in Morrison'd cafe, and I've got a power socket. The netbook is fine for social posting, but it is a bit restrictive for web site maintenance. Things have changed now. There is a restricted menu, and the tables have plastic partitions between them, and tables are for groups of two of four. Only one person from a party is allowed to pay as well. There are only half as many tables as before, and not many people are using the restaurant at the moment, which is just as well, as there are only 2 staff members to do everything.

Most other places are take away only, and Costa only accept contactless payments, so that blows them out for me. I'll never use contactless, and I modified the one card I had when the bank refused to provide a non-contactless card. I drilled a small hole through the connection to the aerial inside the card. Things are still a bit paranoid, as you have to ask for a serviette. This is in case somebody has touched it before you get it, although the gloveless staff hand you your serviettes.

I'll explore a few others, as I believe Wetherspoon's is now open for coffee, but I think they have a more complex system for ordering and payment. I think I read that you have to install their app, and pay with your phone. That another place that I won't be able to use.

One of the staff memebers has just tripped over the base of one of the lane barriers that they are using. She crashed down whilst carrying a pile of trays, but doesn't seem to have any serious injuries. It shows that there is far more collateral damage as a result of the misguided restrictions that government's are imposing on business and the public. The coronavirus is a fairly minor virus infection - I believe it is ranked at 36 in the severity list, The banker's desire to use it to crash economies and fiat currencies are the real problems, and seem to be taking more lives than the virus.

We are experiencing a similar situation over here, lockdown is being eased in most of the cities, even the ones that are most hit. Several sectors have been allowed to open back up and sometime last week the first commercial domestic flight in months took to the air.
There however seems to be pattern in the easing process, the government is only opening up sectors which generates revenue for it i.e, which it can tax directly such as airports, hotels etc while other sectors which are not subject to coperate taxes, but will instead require funding to safely open up, like schools have remained closed.

As long as the health care system can stay above the situation, it can be managed, but with the rate of spread, it can easily exceed the capacity of a national health system and more people would have otherwise survived with adequate care would be left untreated. For developing nations with a poor health structure, the situation could get critical.

Looks like the Coronavirus genie is back in the carafe... or is it the bottle?

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Good news to hear that life returns to normal eventually. After lockdown, I first visited cafe back in May and now I'm visiting it on regular basis. And back in June, they ended whole quarantine. It's such great feeling to live normal life without any restrictions and without being forced to wear mask. I also had visited football stadium several times already to watch some matches, I missed that atmosphere a lot.
I'll have vacations in end of July - start of August and I started to look for flight tickets, maybe to Spain or Italy.
In Europe situation in general is under control now. But there is no signs that other continents will return to normal life soon, especially South and North America.

Wow. Looks like from where you're from, policies have been eased. That's actually good to know. It's a sign that things are slowly going back to normal.

Here in our province, lockdown's been put to ease as well. I was able to go to a restaurant last week with my partner but before entering the place, you'll have to step on a mat for sanitation purposes as well as putting alcohol first. But unlike you, we're under the mandatory of wearing face masks whenever going out our home. And physical distancing is a must. If those were not followed, then there'll be a corresponding sanction.

Same here, the cafes are open but we need to wear masks when entering, the tables are spread far away from each other and you can take off your mask when at your table. The employees in the stores and supermarket still have to wear masks. I think it's good to reopen the public life and let people interact with eachother again, as long as the corona numbers are not rising again and everyone keeps up with the social distancing rules.

As I understand it, mask are not worn for health reasons, but to keep reminding people that a minor epidemic is being escalated by the banking elite to bring down the economies of the world. Mask do do any good, especially when you see the way people are using them. They are virus stores, and can be seen littered around the car parks. You breath out to get rid of waste gases and toxins, and forcing people to re-breath their exhaled breath is obviously not healthy. Of course they need to keep the panic going whilst they create their poisonous vaccines. They will be useless, and will continue to make people dependent on the pharma companies for their imuinity. What a waste of money.

Same with where I am now. It feels safer to go out also without my documents. During the hard lockdown, I have to bring all my papers everywhere I go but my documents also allow me to go out every Wednesday and Saturday.  Now I can walk around the park without the eyes of a platoon watching me.

Why do you believe like all these Covid19 is just a conspiracy theory, evidence shows patients died already?

@Jet Cash I’m not sure why you took a risk of going to a cafe but in my personal opinion you should avoid going out unless it’s absolutely necessary, and I’m saying this because now it’s confirmed that covid spreads through air. Further if I’m correct you’re from UK and your own country expert has warned that covid stays in the air for one hour, and if you yet decide to step out despite this fact, then please use a face shield along with masks and gloves.



Sources:

https://www.9news.com.au/health/coronavirus-airborne-particles-survive-one-hour-warns-uk-expert/9e1244c8-21b2-454d-b548-cba93c11d4d5

https://www.webmd.com/lung/news/20200708/air-conditioning-may-be-spreading-covid

https://edition.cnn.com/travel/article/face-shields-qatar-airways/index.html

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/07/11/government-preparing-ease-restrictions-using-public-transport/

Just think in terms of virii particles per cubic meter, and it's clear that outside, anywhere except jammed in a crowd, is very safe, and inside, anywhere, is likely unsafe.

I'm glad you have some places open, give them money and help keep them in business. Some won't survive.

All these requirements make the work of all kinds of cafes very difficult. Obviously, they are aimed at improving the safety of visitors, but in reality it is almost useless, because in other places people freely contact and walk without masks.

It isn't the number of infections that matter, but the numbers of ICU admissions and deaths, and those seem to be dropping. The more infections the better in my opinion so that we can get natural immunity. The rubbish that is going to to try to increase fear so that they can justify forced poisonous vaccinations is really getting annoying.

Deaths are dropping because the medical finally realized that they were killing patients with ventilators.

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Yes, indeed we are living normal live. For example there was just 1 new case of COVID-19 in whole country. Unfortunately, situation isn't so good in other parts of world.
There is only one bad thing remains - if you're not infected with covid, it's almost impossible to get into hospital. So, if you have other health issues, you're in big trouble.

Number of new cases worldwide is huge, but does 60k new cases in USA or 7000 cases in Brazil  rrally puts you in danger when you are living in Europe? And what you're offering to do? Should we sit down at home until magical vaccine will be found?

what if i told you that covid actually caused more people to need hospital care than a normal 'flu season' does.. and thats numbers even with lockdown restrictions reducing the infection rate.

what if i told you n95 masks filter out over 95% of pathogens. but a cloth mask is only 20%
and distance dilutes the amount the further you are
where

so if you imagine someone exhales 500mill particles. and your within 1 metre of them
(you without any cover)
without them wearing any mask: 125m
with them wearing cloth mask: 100m
with them wearing N95: 6.25m

(you with cloth mask)
without them wearing any mask: 100m
with them wearing cloth mask: 80m
with them wearing N95: 5m

(you with n95 mask)
without them wearing any mask: 6.25m
with them wearing cloth mask: 5m
with them wearing N95: 0.065m

so if you imagine someone exhales 500mill particles. and your within 2 metre of them
(you without any cover)
without them wearing any mask: 7.8m
with them wearing cloth mask: 6.25m
with them wearing N95: 0.4m

(you with cloth mask)
without them wearing any mask: 6.25m
with them wearing cloth mask: 5m
with them wearing N95: 0.32m

(you with n95 mask)
without them wearing any mask: 0.4m
with them wearing cloth mask: 0.32m
with them wearing N95: 0.02m

now what if i told you. that in comparative numbers

once you understand the particle dilution in air over distance
once you then add in the 20% covering 95% surgical mask

and just run the math.
you then start to see that
both wearing face coverings at 2metre. is like 1 person wearing n95 at 1metre
or not wearing a face covering at 2metres is not much difference to wearing a face covering. but is a bit helpful

then if you work both not wearing a mask for 300breaths(15minutes) is the same as being lip to lip for 12second kiss(4breath 0 distance)

it then should really then stimulate your braincells to then realise that if you want to reduce how much nasty invaders you inhale can actually be reduced by actually doing something like staying at a distance. reducing time your within range. and if you are wearing a covering or not if you want to spend just a couple extra minutes around someone close.  or you can play ignorant and roll the dice

yes out of billions of antibody particles in your body. you might have a couple million lucky random antibody's that are close enough to covid to atleast do something.
but if your immuno compromised that number can be less

so again a numbers game. if your body is only inhaling a couple million vs 500mill a breath. your body doesnt have to fight as much

but if your immuno compromised in any way or your body cant work fast enough to react fast enough. then even what some think of as safe distance may not be enough because they dont have as much defense

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as for the coffee shop economics.. where your risking health just for the 'boost the economy' stuff
maybe try to find a quiet independant coffee shop that offers wifi. instead of these big national chains.
in short 'shop local'

If you told me that stuff? I'd ask not what your precautions based on your fear factors were, but what's your end game?

Because (A) you certainly haven't offered it (B) I might not agree with it (C) you probably don't have a well thought out, or thought out at all, end game.

Without that end game strategy, NONE of your comments make any bit of sense whatsoever.

When you get to the judgement, tell all the people who died from the ventilators.

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my end game is to correct the certain people in this forum that think that the virus isnt real or doesnt send people to hospital.
the type of people that even if sick themselves will still want to go out and about coughing on other people thinking they are doing other people a favour
the type of people that just dont know math or science so stay ignorant and try to cultivate more people into being careless

if just some readers realise that they can be a little bit safer for themselves and others. then it is worth it.
imagine if patient zero back in december didnt go to work for a week even after knowing he was sick
the amount of spread would have been not even something the world has to deal with now

even if its too late to have prevented this first wave. stopping/slowing down a second wave is worth it.
heck even learning from it for future cross infectious stuff is worth it.

if you read jetcashs and badeckers posts about thinking that herd immunity is the way to go.. you start to see the types of people that im talking about

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my "game" is helping people know if their bodies immunity can only handle a few million particles per breath. then staying at a distance wont overwhelm them with an invasion of hundreds of millions a breath.
meaning that even if people still go out with a cough, staying at distance wont overwhelm other people. and instead atleast give them a microdose at safe distance compared to mega dose close up.

thats not to say. to now do it on purpose. because there are still other people that may not have that good immunity even for a few mill particles a breath. and unless you know math and science well. and can guarantee your actions wont harm others. its best to when sick just avoid all close contact until your better

but i know even after 4-5 months these types of people wont learn basic hygiene or personal space ethics

doctors dont just grab random healthy people off the streets and throw them on a ventilator
any doctor that does put someone on a ventilator that doesnt need it will get reprimanded. as you know

as for those that need a ventilator. due to no other treatments that work. they would die without a ventilator
emphasis they would die
so think of the survivors because of ventilators

so when YOU get to the judgement, tell all the people that lived from the ventilators

As you know, the hospital made a load of money off those dead people. All the hospital need do is claim a big fat accident. Most of the people don't know how to sue properly to get some money out of the hospitals, and with the lockdowns, they won't start until all the death causes have been covered up.

Besides, the people who lived even though they were ventilated, barely made it, when simple oxygen therapy would have worked a whole lot better.

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EDIT: In fact, they would have had a much better time of it if the cafes hadn't been shutdown, and they went out to eat.

again to correct the things you dont know
doctors dont throw people straight onto ventilators

doctors try meds first. then cpap/bipap. but if the person does not get better then they escalate it to more invasive treatments.

you must be really stuck on your weird websites with myths if you still think that doctors just throw people straight onto ventilation

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as for funding. not just the hospital accountants verify the treatments were necessary. but the insurance/government treasury accountants for healthcare also check
each treatment comes with its own diagnostic report that explains why the treatment was given. which is backed up by test results/scans and such
i know you want to circle back to your myth that doctors are given 10's of thousands for just writing a 5 letter word on a report.. but reality does not work that way

there are actual processes in place

Seems that you don't know that it is the chiropractors that throw people, not doctors. And they never throw them straight. And especially not onto ventilators. There are always some angles and curves in the way they throw them. But even then, never onto ventilators.

Did you know that there are a few people (hundreds of thousands or millions) who die under a doctor's care, and in a hospital? So, there is something wrong somewhere along the line, right? Generally it has to be one of two possiblilities:
1. The doctor doesn't know the right procedure;
2. The doctor is simply a bad guy (except if she's a woman, that is).

Now, of course we hope that the doctor isn't bad. And we are assuming the doctor isn't bad. What that means is that the procedure was the wrong one. In most of the Covid ventilator cases, the procedure was wrong, even if it was the proper procedure. This means that the medical is entirely mixed up, and doing more damage than it is doing good.

And that is the entire point. I'll even go on to show you WHY the medical is entirely mixed up... assuming they are good people, who want their patients to get well. Here's the reason. The system of nature is way too complex compared with what the doctors have figure out. In other words, the medical is dumb (stupid). If they were smart - except for the money that they are making - they would just quit. Then fewer people would die, and more would get well.

If the medical quit, regarding Covid, far fewer people would have died, and would die in the future. But, can't quit. Too much money in it, right?

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I have encountered the thread you posted regarding your age. It is surprising that you are not afraid of the virus as your age group is vulnerable to this disease. No offense meant here.  ;)

That's not an end game. Not at all. That's the mid-game. I understood all that quite well.

My question is what's the end game. The point where you say "back to normal."

The "end game" is the point where the COVID-game ceases.

In our country, the lockdown has been relaxed but experts say that breaking the lockdown has put thousands of people at risk of infection. They also felt that it was not possible to provide adequate treatment to deal with the situation. Therefore, the government has to allocate more in the medical sector. Therefore, there is an attempt to start various economic activities quickly by opening one factory and one shop or business establishment after another.

well unlike some idiots in this topic that think the covid is already in the endgame chapter it is not

just doing the math the amount of people infected is low. its not even at the mid game stage
i know idiots want to just lick each others faces and spit into peoples mouths to rush to midgame-end game. but what they keep being ignorant about is that the amount of people that need hospital care is higher than 'flu'

so by getting to endgame in a panic forced herd immunity like the idiots want(demanding peope protest and gather shoulder to shoulder. and spit on people pretending their spit is helpful). would cause even more deaths than just letting it spread slowly

having no beds means no treatment. =more deaths.

EG even if the death rate for intubated people due to covid is ~30% . 70% survival
without having beds/equipment to give treatment will be 100% death of those escalating to need cpap/vent because they simply wont get it.

so finding the best way to not have it spread too fast. but to allow people to do some form of socialising is the way forward..
but if people cant even take the responsibility for their own actions then ofcourse the government will step in and restrict things

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so if people just try to stay at a distance and when ever tempted to get up close. just have a thought for that other person and limit their exposure to you. and you to them

having less viral load inhaled means your body has less of a battle to fight. meaning less risk of getting really sick. its the difference between getting slapped once in a bar fight. your hanging around wanting to get kicked and punched multiple times thinking your immortal.. try to not get into lengthy battles. and you will not hurt as much days later

ask yourself
do you NEED to be upclose to someone raising the risk level.. or do you just WANT to be upclose to someone.
do you NEED to expose yourself or do you just WANT to expose yourself

and then ask do you really need to expose yourself/other in a large most risk amount or can you have the thought to minimalise exposure. by just being smart for once

in short.. pick your battles. no point forcing a full on bar fight analogy if you can just be smart enough to know when to walk away with just a slap.
when you can take a planned and well thought out action you will reap the rewards from it

for the idiots that still wanna spit on people and force people to get shoulder to shoulder. you are helping no one.
if you really cared about low risk herd immunity you would actually be ok with low exposure low viral load wide distance exposure
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yes it is a marathon and not a sprint. its about not having too much risk in such a small time. but instead low risk low exposure from safe distance / wearing a covering if upclose for extended time.
yes face coverings are only 20% for 1 wearer and 40% if both wearing it. but that 40% is 40% less to battle

All you did is repeat the mid-game. In repeating it, you use quite a few fear factors and emotionally laden arguments, maybe thinking they augment and reinforce your logic. They don't. They weaken it A LOT.

Can you or can you not articulate a clear, simple, executable end-game? Because there are a lot of people that can.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Q3PSISAZL8

These average, normal people have the solution. You don't. Like many medical obsessed medical know-it-alls, you're a mid-game. People are tired of your mid-game game. They are tired of the COVID-game. They are starting to distrust those who would continue the COVID-game indefinitely, and for good reason.

there are some countries that do lock it quite successfully, but some do it but it is not effective.
in fact, now it is just a matter of how each country plans according to the needs of that country, because there is no certainty that the country will have differences to determine whether lockdown is necessary.

the structure of each country is very able to distinguish whether lockdown is needed or not, in an island nation whose scope is quite large certainly lockdown is not recommended at all. perhaps by limiting the number of activities that allow transmission to occur. by restricting from red pandemic areas not to travel to the green regions, or vice versa. if you have to travel you must have information from the hospital that you are not corona sick.

Now, franky1. Covid has always been in the endgame chapter.

"But look at the statistics," you will say.

You still haven't researched how the statistics are a lie... but at best, extremely inconclusive. How can you prove it? By not doing a lockdown, and getting out there with other people.

How will this prove anything? Here's how.

Simply watch the hundreds of people falling to the sidewalk and dying all around you, like flies. There's loads of them, right? Lol.  :D

"But, but, but, the hospitals are full with Covid." The tests can't even come for-a-fact up to 50% proven to be working. There are studies showing that the tests are giving false positives and false negatives. And there are studies that show that the hospitals don't have that many sick people in them.

The Covid virus isn't doing that much damage. The hospitals trying to help people are doing more damage than the virus could think of doing, alone.

The pandemic is Covid in name only. When are you going to do the research and talk to the hands-on, everyday, professionals?

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well just basic math and science show we are still in the first chapter. yes lazy people want to know how the story ends but not want to actually read the book.

problem is without even reading the mid part they wont get to the end game

i as a kid used to read a book type called 'choose your own adventure' where as you read it. it says 'if you want to turn left go to page 87 if you want to turn right go to page 60

and by reading the book and making choices in the middle. you get to change the ending.

there are multiple endings.
there is the idiots that want people to gather shoulder to shoulder and spit on each other.. sure fire way to overwhelm hospitals if that persists.

there are the smart ones that will low dose viral load by taking precautions where they stay at safe distance but still do daily stuff.. which might lead to another peak but many months later and with less volume of sick at one time(longer but safer)

and then there is the stay on full quarantine lockdown until vaccine. which would cause many other bad things and lengthen how long this saga goes on for(years)

its about finding the right balance and not trying to think the 'book 'game' is over and not wanting the ending to be now.
its about knowing what steps to take to reduce the risk to you or others while this thing progresses.

anyone thinking this is the time for end-game speaches is hugely ignorant to whats really happening in the real world. and needs to be youtubing less and maybe contacting their local statistics offices any actual doctors in the front line. and get some real results

Response to mid-game bluster already provided, bolded.

crying about mid game. ignoring mid game. being idiots about mid game wont actually cause end game
the idiots need to really understand the mid game and live in the mid game
actually learn the reality of the position they are in

asking for fairytale endings wont make it happen today. so get into the reality of the current situation

All I've seen from you on this subject is spreading FUD - fear, uncertainty and doubt. "Chicken Little - the sky is falling" Right?

Really, nothing you've said about "mid-game" makes logical sense. Try to step back and look at what you yourself wrote.

I'm seeing a severe case of "mission creep" in various government policies. Started out, masks are restrictions for the "first wave." Then the emergency beds and hospitals weren't needed. Then the ventilators weren't needed. Then the death rate was an order of magnitude less than forecast. Then the governments seek to continue the policies...

Let's take another very simple question.

Should the "mid-game" - masks, some business closures and partial closures - continue indefinitely?

Yes or no.

If not, on what exact criteria should the mid game be terminated?

An inability to answer this really is just spreading FUD and is not scientific, let alone rational or good for the population.

His FUD is attempted placebo effect. His posts act like they are talking about one thing, but really are talking about something else.

Search on "Is placebo effect real?" The answer is that it is real. And not only is it real regarding medical trial studies with pills, but it is real regarding all kinds of suggestion. Placebo effect is essentially a subtle form of hypnotism.

As many as 33% of people are influenced by some form of placebo effect. So if franky1 can keep on talking, some people are going to believe his FUD. More than likely, he has started to believe it himself. If he were to show links where other people explain the stuff he says, things might be different. But so far, it is mostly FUD with the idea of using placebo effect on people.

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funny part is i see others spreading fear more. by shouting government imprisoning people and forcing vaccinations and stripping people of assets.

your 'indefinetly' question.. thats not a midgame question thats a 'tell me how the story ends..' endgame question
it also sounds like a paranoid conspiracy minded question..

my information is to clarify reality. and debunk conspiracy/paranoid peoples myths they listen to on youtube

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look i know you want a fairy tale ending to be told to you so you can believe it is the end game now.
but we are still at only 5-10% spread meaning still only the start-midgame
i know many want to be told we are at 70%-100% immunity or that things will be normal at 70%-100% so they can pretend its 70-100 now and demand normality now.. but no
reality does not work like that
i get it if a government guy says a number to aim for in the future. certain people will pretend that number is todays number.. but thats their ignorance of reality.



as for possible endgames
1. if there was never any restrictions from the start. then the death count would be higher and the excess temporary emergency beds would have been needed.
but in this careless scenario of no restrictions then yea the endgame would have been 26 weeks from the beginning. but with millions of deaths. and overwhelming hospitals


2. but luckily people did take advice to distance themselves, staying home unless its a priority and such. which did curb the spread.
i know you might be denying the connection between the restrictions and the drop in spread/death. but its true. as shown by the rise again now the restrictions are relaxed

now if you do basic math of knowing that per populous there are 0.2% beds available
so knowing those sick enough to need hospital care are usually in hospital for 2 weeks and beds are needed for other illnesses too.. knowing that 10% of people need hospital care for covid
so for a safe 0.1% hospital intake of covid patients per fortnight. would be 1% herd spread per fortnight
meaning 140 weeks to get to 70% herd immunity..
with it taking longer then that time if restrictions too tight that the spread decreases below 1%. or the restrictions were too loose that it was over 1% but then restrictions would get tightened.
its tough to find the right balance. and probably best to expect and prepare for a second wave needing restrictions tightened. .. this is no threat or no scare. its a stop living in fairy land and then exploding when things suddenly change. and instead prepare and be ok with it and know that the spread is slower then expected and so any restriction tightenings can be seen a few weeks before implemented so that you can prepare

3. third endgame scenario is the one that sounds like it is thought up by paranoid weed smoking conspiracy theorists that think its about government control that wants to inprison people in coma's / their homes and take peoples assets by raiding their homes. and force them to have vaccines to win their freedom
sorry thats the weed paranoia fairy talking.
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if people just realise the basic math and they accept the basic idea of possible waves of relaxing and tightening restrictions to not overwhelm hospitals. then they can find a right balance and plan for it.
its not a secret. its been public information since the beginning curb the peaks to avoid hospitals from being over whelemed

if people want to be ignorant and think by spitting on peoples faces they are helping people
then expect a more sudden rise and then sudden stronger lockdown restrictions that last longer. and cause more stress and anger
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but hey. if you want to be careless and try getting in peoples personal space. thats your problem
smarter people would rather not get in peoples personal space so they can have atleast some kind of normal flow of movement and ability to do normal daily things. without a daily worry of no warning restrictions tightening. but a more relaxed slow warning thats then plannable and preventable if they just care for peoples personal space

take badeckers home state now that people have cooled off from the protests and stopped rubbing shoulders. and found a balance of social distancing the rise from the May relaxation of restrictions has found its peak.
lets hope idiots stick with a nice balance of social distancing and dont promote close proximity forced herding and spitting to guarantee spread. and just be happy with a moderate amount of flow of movement.
then they wont see restrictions being super tightened due to hospitals being overwhelmed

but right now badeckers home state is at ~90% capacity so it wont take much to tip it into the red. so just be ok with social distancing for now to let it stay below 100% capacity

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and yes
as for the % of people that get sick enough to need hospital. im saying if people get in peoples personal space and force spread by spitting in peoples mouths a high viral load more then 10% of infected people will get sick enough to need hospital care meaning less than 1% of herd spread to balance out. meaning more restrictions..
however respecting personal space to low dose viral load spread would be less than 10% needing hospitals. meaning more then 1% a fortnight spread so that things can get to endgame a bit faster
.. its just basic math

You still don't get it, so let me help out.

END GAME WW2 / ALLIES EUROPE:

We take Berlin, then immediately move troops (A) to grab those rocket scientists, all their materials and spare rockets (B) to open up all those concentration camps (C) process all surrendered troops and separate out the war criminals

So here an end game is the reversion to NORMALCY. Are you refusing to say when and how that happens? Because if so, everyone can and should reject your opinion as completely ridiculous.

read it

to not overwhelm hospitals. best case scenario is 140 weeks of 1% a fortnight spread. controlled by social distancing and people using common sense to not dry hump everyone they see, moshpit gather.spit on faces

if people want it in less time than 140 to get to 70% herd immunity. by reducing the viral load each person gets by actually using the common sense of social distancing. they might have a 5-8% of infected needing hospital

by not caring about social distancing more then 10% may need hospital because they are inhaling more viral load to battle

so
lets say people do take personal space serious. then we can have 2% a fortnight spread due to only 5% of those infected needing hospital (%5 of 2%=0.1% fortnight hospital need) and its at 70% spread in 70 weeks from the start.

if they continue to want to moshpit gather at protests. then expect longer then 140 weeks for 70% herd immunity because restrictions would be tightened to bring it below 1% a fortnight spread
few weeks of over 0.1% hospital need = restrictions tightened to get it back below that number and keeping the restrictions below for a couple months to get back the buffer.. repeat that a few times and it takes longer to get to 70% herd immunity


get it yet
(pre-empt stupidity
now i mentioned a possibility of 70 weeks instead of 140.. stupid people think they can go to night clubs and moshpit dryhump and spit on faces, do protests and not wear masks or social distance because someone mentioned 70 weeks.. ignoring the explanation about only 70 weeks IF people socially distance to avoid more sick needing hospital.)


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they already looked at area's pre lockdown pre social distance and the hospitalisation rate was 16%-30%
when they looked at places that done socially distancing they seen a 8-12% hospitalisation rate
when the protests happened they seen the rate rise in those area's

and high in area's where people did congretate such as churches and planes and cruiseships had the high near 30% where as those socially distancing had 5-10% severity

EG
diamond princess study
'At the end of observation, 33 (32%) of 104 patients were asymptomatic, 43 (41%) had mild illness, and 28 (27%) had severe disease.'

But we never had this problem with SARS or MERS or any number of diseases that were worse... except, possibly, on a small, local condition. Now that Trump is taking the controlling of the records out of the hands of the CDC, we will finally be getting clear info that Covid isn't much if any worse than any other flu.

Lockdowns - quarantining of healthy, asymptomatic people who haven't been known to have been in the presence of the sick - is unprecedented, and is causing unnecessary turmoil in loads of ways. Ultimately it will cause much more hospitalization of people than Covid, and 20 times the number of deaths because of the economic destruction it is causing.

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RE "read it", I read everything you wrote, and here's my response.

You're not going to get 70 or 140 weeks, forget that.

Get it?

Now consider the average person out there listening to all this unscientific FUD from sciencey types and here's their problem. They're being lied to by guys like you that won't spell it out. You could have answered my first post's question about mid- and end-term, but you ducked and dodged.

You want 70-140 weeks of this, but you(your group) won't tell them that.  You know you'd be rejected, you'd just be told to fuck off. Now this is a simple case of a crew of semi-intellectual wanna-be smart guys, but very limited in one field, thinking they can retain power for years, not months.

Get it?

I'll be happy to pick apart your math on another day, by the way. Don't think all those who don't agree with you are morons. Some have worked for years in computer modeling. You're going to have to go multi-variate on several dimensions of the problem to get anywhere near realism in your estimates.

You're on a crypto forum, DUHHHHH!

funny part is
you wanted a simple answer. so i dumbed it down to be simple

you finally got the answer in simple form
and now you want to cry that its dumbed down in simple form and now you wanna pick another day to pretend the numbers must be wrong because they are too simplified

in other words you dont want an answer. you just want to find something to complain about and if its not an answer you like. complain even more hoping you can find a reason to ignore it

well sorry to burst your bubble
i know you were hoping someone would stroke your ego and tell you today is end game and we are at 70% herd immunity today.. but we are not

yes i simplified my answer down. because as you even admit some people dont like the detailed sciency stuff.
but if your only rebuttle is to be a grammar nazi/math nazi. then i guess your missing the point

it was fun trying to find the correct level of explanation before you realised you wont get an answer that appeals to your desired outcome
but the reality of the situation is not end game stage

sooner you realise that covid is going to be around even next year. and that this summer was not the end game. the sooner you can realise the reality and not get shocked in the future

its not some secret. they have been making it public to expect multiple waves and to have restrictions relaxed and tightened and for people to just get used to social distancing for ther own good.

sorry if you dont like the answer. but you wanted it dumbed down

i know already what type of 'modelling' you want to imply in regards to the math
i know its like

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if 3 people infected one week
9 the next week
27 the next week
81 the next week
there are only so many weeks before it gets to 100 and everyone has had it(YOU would say)

but what YOU are not realising is those 3 might go in separate groups after the first week
and instead of spreading it to just a fixed cluster of 100 people in just over a month

one joins a new protest in another town and starts off from 1 to being 3 in the following week
then 2 of those split off again
now each cluster is just 1's and not triples.
so by week 2 there are now clusters totalling 1200 but only 12 total infected


people dont stay in the same 100 cluster for months. to get everyone infected in just over a month.
they spread out to other clusters making each cluster take longer

...
i know you also want to say there is an S curve where it slows down when getting to majority spread
which is why i cut short at 70% instead of mentioning the 100%

yea i didnt explain the detail because you would have tried to say that i waffled so much detail and not given a dumbed down short answer.(as you did initially)

and then by giving a dumbed down answer you want to say its not specific enough.(as you just did)

.. all in all your not looking for an answer your just trying to find something to complain about to have a reason to ignore an answer

well enjoy that

You're stand is societal lockdown for years.

Thanks for admitting it. (Finally!!!)

I'm currently with a couple M.D.s we're having a good laugh over this.

"societal lockdowns for years"
(facepalm)

seems you did ignore the whole last page of posts
maybe try A year of societal DISTANCING
if people actually did have some common sense

Be my guest, revise your former comments, summarize the key points, correct misreadings of your rambling junk. I'm fine with any/all of that. I really did have a simple, direct question. Just no more lying, okay? No more ducking and dodging.


No, you don't. And just post your R program that displays your beliefs, instead of drawing with the character set of the keyboard?

you do know that lockdown has eased. right?
you do know that whats being asked is just social distancing. right?
you did also read me saying that there is no single option 'end game' and it all depends on how stupid and ignorant people are to not follow advice about distancing.. right?

i would love the 70week model. governments, hospitals, smart people would
but its the idiots that wont socially distance that will make it be more like 140weeks. not the government
the government would have to step in if too many idiots dont respect peoples personal space.
so its the idiots that would cause more problems

now lets work out if you are one of them idiots or if you do atleast act smart off the forum
will you respect peoples personal space? or will you want to get lots of people to gather under the false pretense of 'herd immunity quickly' to force governments hand

I haven't said what "I want", and don't waste your time guessing. You believe the mid-game to be 140 weeks, I got it. And it's the fault of those that didn't follow the good people in government and medicine...they think 70 weeks. Your words, not mine. Your idea is a year and a half.

Tell you what, your rambling is getting annoying so I'm going to start a poll. By the way, post that R model anytime, okay?

The false pretenses are exactly this.

It's dangerous so wear a mask.But don't worry, we'll have a vaccine pretty soon and then you'll be safe.

Totally, 100% false.

doctors wear masks. they work with masks. yes they should get regular breaks. but thats a case for standard work practice of not making people work 12 hours without a break

if you think your suppose to wear the same mask all day for weeks. then you need to take a step back from the sites badecker has been linking you

your suppose to only use masks in places where social distancing is not available
buses/taxis/trains/shops

once you are out of the shop you can loosen the mask
you should regularly replace the mask too.
but whats most important is distance
respect peoples personal space. its not that hard

I wrote something sarcastic in response to this, and have deleted it. This post makes a lot of practical sense.

But I am afraid you won't get far talking like that, because the Cult of the Mask has arisen. The Mask will save us, is what they have been told to believe.

i heard another lockdown is necessary

Same situation here, the lockdown is now ended in our country but there are still some restrictions, we should still wear a face mask and observe the social distancing because once you have caught by the authority violating those things they will give you punishment. All businesses are now open so I am hoping that our economy will bring back before. I know it's not that easy but still hoping for its fast recovery.

well with the way some idiots are talking about wanting to spit on people and not respect personal space and such then yea its kinda inevitable

they pretend their motives are to promote herd immunity. but they always sound like they dont even care about other people.

its as if these idiots want to force the government to intervene just to then say the government intervened.
not actually caring for their own health or health of those around them, but instead be idiots and push the limits to test the response.
its like toddlers testing their parents boundaries to see what they can get away with but then crying when they get told off..
seems they never learn to just not test boundaries and instead just get on with other things to avoid crying

Going outside and chilling outside is still not safe with this current situation because the pandemic virus is still there and the transmission of it is so quick, so if we font has some important things to do outside, please stay at home let us just wait for the virus to end so we will all be comfortable gong outside without thinking of social distancing and wearing a mask.

As of these days, there are already many businesses that are now open and the attachment for every people is now close so we should be more careful now.
Well, we should still be careful because the virus has not yet over. Wearing a mask is still advisable and required. Especially with those countries that has many cases.

In modern reality, for some reason, it seems that this virus will circulate for a very long time. As soon as the quarantine eased a little, the virus began to be transmitted again. Why is this happening? The borders are open and the virus is being transmitted again. But, of course, it is impossible to live in closed countries, and people need interaction, but on the other hand, we always need to understand that human health should be put much above all other priorities. Everyone should ask themselves how important their safety and their families are and take precautions to do so.

There is more and most data being released about this so-called pandemic, and it is becoming apparent how badly we have been misled. Yes, it is highly infectious, but it doesn't seem to be very dangerous, except for the few who have flaky health due to lifestyle or as victims of the pharmaceutical industry. It seems to have been carefully orchestrated by the bankers and big pharma, and it will be interesting to see if increasing public awareness of the CV scam will turn people away from the pharmaceutical and vaccination frauds. Lets hope it does.

Will they try to impose another lockdown when the second wave hits those who were unwise enough to avoid gaining immunity during the healthy summer months. I certainly hope that public opinion prevents this. Then their is the insane vaccination issue, Billions of pounds, dollars and euros are being spent on this useless exercise. Money is being given to organisations who have never produced any commercial products, are developing their products from artificial organisms rather than the real thing, and bypassing normal testing procedures. I think I would rather go to prison that let them inject such poisonous products into me.

This is an important subject and is worthy of discussion.

In the cafe.

The major lockdown that been implemented here in or countries in the past 3 months have been lifted and businesses are implementing the guidelines for the new normal. There are still places that need to strictly implement the quarantine protocol where the amounts of the positive Covid-19 cases continue to rise. Its allow different local government units to easily trace the suspected cases to prevent the possible cases emerge to different places. Even the fact that the cases still continue to rise and almost reach the peak, the economy need to recover and people need to earn money. The government could not afford to implement another major lockdown.

That was good to know that after a couple of months under lockdown or community quarantine brought by the existence of pandemic, things are slowly getting back to normal but it was not literally normal to say since there are still restrictions and guidelines that are needed to be followed. Experts and government are calling this as "new normal" wherein business establishments can now do operate like on a normal set up but on a limited or minimal working capacity that will still observe social distancing and having precautionary measures to be able to get back into work to earn for a living.

This was just so good that after a couple of months of staying indoors, we can now get back to work because most of us are suffering from no work no pay basis. This would be the temporary to permanent set up that we will experience until the vaccine or cure for the virus that will end it have been discovered. Let us be contented on this setup because it is much better than getting stuck at home and doing nothing and earning nothing. Let's just think of it a usual thing but done with strict precaution for our own safety while getting productive on working.

Life cannot return back to normal after coronavirus.
We might have gone back to cafes but you can see people wearing facemasks or keeping distances which is not so social as it used to be in the past.

saying to stay home and wait it out. might have helped more if they done contact tracing during lockdown aswell, to speed up the drop in cases.
places in asia did and they had great success. thus then controlling the low cases while relaxing restrictions was easier for them
they started in january. and done contact tracing and relaxed things in march/april

UK kinda implemented contact tracing but only a month after some relaxations of lockdown.
but by waiting till march to lockdown. and then not implement contact tracing until june.
which means its still handling about 600 cases a week. but keeping it down some what so UK's risk of a second large wave to need another lockdown is far far off.

but US. they seem to want to avoid any government involvement. let it spread and have people to blame. while then blaming government for stupid things it wasnt involved in.
EG saying the virus was created by government. but then not blaming government for underfunding hospitals/safety efforts of reduction/prevention.. instead blaming government for the small interventions it did do.

america seems backward. and will suffer because of it.

Forget the lockdown at home. You have a family you are locked down with if you lock down at home. Rather, get back to work and be lockdown for 8 hours a day with your co-employees. Then get outside and be locked down out of doors with whoever else is out there. In other words, get locked down with all kinds of people all over the place, and get and give natural herd immunity through the lockdowns.

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The area I live in, there was a lockdown and it was lifted. The shops and restaurants are open now, but you have to wear a mask going in. As I see it, what people should do locally is what their local/regional government says to do. And it's not to go back and hide in your home. It's to go out, and yes to go to places like the coffee shop.

Meanwhile, there's all these Net-Tards that think THEY KNOW BETTER.

Good for a laugh.

I am travelling by train to work and there are some gipsys asking for money.
My distance threshold failed. As I am reading this thread I got angst please don't be
so pessimistic of covid because I will too. ;D

The only thing in this fake Coronavirus pandemic to be afraid of is, government law enforcement who are afraid of the fake pandemic.

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I'm bored with it all. I've got to wear my Darth Vader sanding and metal grinding mask to the cafe tomorrow. No way am I going to pay a couple of pounds for a tatty cloth monkey face mask.

its not just you who said its fake. but the deaths are just too much to really treat it like its fake. everyone is locked in our homes. though there is the need to go work and earn for the family there is not much to do when your company and all the city are locked.

there can be conspiracy in who creating the virus and what its for but there is a truth behind the virus that kills is real. we just can't make all countries unite to conspire.

Interesting idea. Welding helmets, anyone?

Well I'm back in the supermarket cafe tomorrow, as I've bought a wild life trail camera on Amazon ( https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B087RFJFRL/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o01_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=10 ) the policy is to ask customers if they have a mask, and to ask them politely to wear it if they aren't. If they say "no" then security is told to let them in anyway, and to ignore the mask wearing requirement. Now that I know that I don't have to wear one, I might wear one to gain some good boy points. :)

ps. I asked if I can have a straw so that I can drink my coffee. :)

Google "exosomes."

Whenever tests are done on anyone, to see if they have Covid, exosomes are in the body fluid that is being tested. Nobody doing the tests knows if the thing they found was a virus, or if it was exosomes (made by the cells of the person's own body). This is the way it always has been for Coronavirus. Nobody knows if anybody died from Covid or from a person's own exosomes... or something else, btw. This means we don't know if there are any Covid deaths at all!

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I can confirm that I haven't died from the virus

I hope the cops aren't there tomorrow when I'm wearing my Darth Vader mask. I'm likely to get arrested for saying - May the force be with you

we are not in the 12th century
science and technology knew and can identify exosomes ages ago. and what antibodies and red bloodcells
they can even sequence rna and dna
so they can identify things. welcome to the 21st century
so they can test sick patients and find the common denominator of what a sick person has that a non sick person doesnt. they can then test if this thing is similar to anything they already know of
they know its similar to SARS1 but not similar to ebola.
they know its a virus and not a bit of fecal matter or other human cell
they know its not a human cell because they also found other animals that got sick with the same symptoms that had the same common denominator

it passed the koch, rivers and bell test. you have been told this in many topics many times
i know you will be ignorant and just say 'google' another cell type and then say 'it could be this' but no they know exactly what it is because they have identified it
wake up to the 21st century. get out the 12th century mindset

i got a t-shirt
"if you can 
 smell my fart.
 you're too close"

it kinda instantly gets a reaction for people to stand at a distance

Rather be on Morrison cafe than in the supermarket cafe :)
I can't sustain without my portion of coffe. Everyday before I
start to work I need refill.  Its funny that some times politeness
make people wear mask instead obligation.

No, we're back before the 12th century. Know why? Because we still can't see living, wiggling DNA or RNA... except when they are dead, in an electron microscope. One hundred percent of the things that we think that RNA and DNA are doing - especially when connected to viruses and exosomes - we have put together based on circumstantial evidence... which might be wrong as far as we know with absolute certainty.

It's only recently (2011) that the Microsphere Nanoscope has been developed so we can actually watch living viruses and exosomes and RNA and DNA. And the reason why you can't find much info about what the Nanoscope sees is, there is such a load of info that proves that our current understanding of viruses and exosomes could absolutely be far off base, that scientists don't want to speak up until they understand the info better. And understanding might take a long time, because the things of life are so extremely complex.

To say it straight out, all of our info about viruses and the way they act and their reasons for acting the way they do, might have to be flushed down the toilet in the light of what is being seen with the Microsphere Nanoscope. The clear thing that is opening up is, we don't really know what is going on with viruses. Any healings that we have done with vaccines, have entirely come about because of placebo effect, or by pure accident.

The reason why the medical has to push this virus pandemic now is, in a few, short years, the whole world of medicine will have come to understand how wrong we have been for the last 150 years or more, about the way bacteria, viruses, exosomes, RNA, DNA, and a whole lot of other things interact. The only chance for the medical community to keep their clout and their income is to stifle this new info, now, before it becomes wide-spread.

You entirely have things backwards, as usual.

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seems badecker got told a stupid script about exosomes. yet by the way he is using the word he has no clue
but hey badecker will try using it as a buzzword in multiple topics to pretend he knows what he is talking about simply because he thinks he can spell the word

he really is stuck in the past and has no clue about what tech is actually available and how long its been available for
he still think vaccines are made with monkey kidneys even though that stopped in the 1960's
but unless its a particular cultish influencer that teaches him. he is not willing to learn the truth.
such a pitty that he wastes his life like that

You simply talk like this because you have been indoctrinated. It's hard to break indoctrination when it is well thought out and applied. I really don't think you are a bad guy at heart. Come on and wake up a little. Learn to let go of the BS you have been taught...

... I mean, before you crash and burn.

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it is true that there is easing but it seems that most people lack awareness that Covid-19 still exists and considers it normal.
really ironic with what we have done so far but the positive data of this virus continues to multiply, so is everything we do so far useless if not really disciplined.

The virus seems to spread fairly easily - to the extent that some reports seem to say that 95% of the population will be infected over the next year or so. That's the bad news! The good news is that it is not very serious for anybody with a natural immune system, and there is increasing awareness of this. Hopefully this will lead to a reduction in crippling vaccinations, and poisonous pharmaceuticals. Maybe then we can get back onto the track of increasing life span from generation to generation.

Just think how much civilisation could move forward if all the money that is squandered on so called health care was spent on improving industry and leisure enjoyment.

This is true, but there are many people who have weak immunity, have concomitant diseases. And besides all this, they are very dependent on the news that the media now owns. And such people, fearing the disease, drink a lot of unnecessary drugs, thinking that by doing this, they will be able to protect themselves from the virus. Self-medication of such people hurts themselves even more. However, they are difficult to judge. Our country has direct instructions on what to do if you feel unwell. As a result, we have many cases of serious illnesses.

I'm sorry to hear about your friend, but if it takes more than 1-5 days to shake off the virus, then he doesn't have a strong immune system. Insulin resistance can impact this, and this can come from drinking sugary drinks like Coke, ultra-processed foods like seed oils or burgers, energy drinks, pharmaceuticals, smoking or recreational drugs and others modern products. Vaping and other recreational drugs don't help either. Vaccination is another immunity destroyer as well, despite all the pharma propaganda.

Guess that's one of the reasons why the cases continues to rise — lack of discipline and people thinking that there's no more risk just because the lockdown has been eased. But just because it has been eased doesn't mean that it's okay to go out whenever we want to now. The virus is still here and if we don't take the precautions seriously, then we're putting ourselves in much risk. People must always remember that as long as there is no vaccine, there's still a threat to our health.

But as soon as they have a vaccine, the threat will become greater... from the vaccine.

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But in US states where weed is legal, marihuana stores have been kept open through the lockdown!

Like liquor stores, the justification is that it is a "essential service."

Yes the positve number of cases is still high. For me they are aware they just don't even care about it or they do not take it seriously because they are not the one who is sick and not the one dying due to this virus. They still go out like it is a normal day. Even children are out of their respective homes playing around. Guess they will not stop until they get sick

Except that when you start searching for info on positive cases, you will find all kinds of info about false positives and false negatives. People might be getting sick - some might be dying - but there is no certainty that it is Covid, or even Coronavirus doing it.

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But very few of them will get sick. The ones that are most at risk are the monkey face morons, as they won't be building immunity during the summer months.

You know, both weed and alcohol are painkillers and alcohol can be used as antiseptic. Those are essential goods, just like morning coffee and the Internet. ;)


Children can do whatever they want. Statistically the chances of them being hit by a car or breaking a limb on the playground are much higher than covid mortality rates.

People are social creatures, they will always be pulled at will, especially children whose social framework has not yet strengthened.
It is not beneficial for nature that people stay at home; it is beneficial for nature that our organisms meet the virus and overcome it.

It is obvious that someone will die, it is inevitable. But for nature, the main thing is survival.
So we can say that our instincts push us to go out.

If the people are not disciplined and have lack of awareness on the safety of covid-19, this could ruin all the efforts which were taken to lock-down the public to avoid the spread of the virus. Opening of the lockdown will become a nightmare for the government if the cases began to rise in big numbers.

I'm getting fed up with people constantly reporting that the number of cases are increasing as if it is a disaster. In reality, the immunity to covid is spreading, and we are getting closer to being able to return to a normal healthy life, but not if the governments don;t want people to become immune to allow them to force their vaccinations to damage people's health and the world economy.

It seems that the death rate for people dying from the virus, as opposed to dying with the virus, is below 0.1%, and most of those will be people with health damaged by the pharmaceutical industry. The stupid mask wearing enforcement is only going to increase the spread, and slow down recovery. I parked at a supermarket this morning, and the cr park is littered with discarded masks. They had been pulled out of the bins by seagulls looking for food. I'd be interested to know how much of the virus can be spread by seagull beaks. Almost everybody will be infected by the virus, so lets build mass immunity whilst the sun is out, and people can build their Vitamin D

if you think that 99.9%(your number) are going to be fine. no harm no foul.
then why are you trying to push/force mass infection during summer.

if you think 99.9% of people will be fine then there is no need to worry or care about being immune or infected because you believe its of no harm.. then it doesnt matter either way

its like saying getting bit by an ant is of no harm to the majority. bu you want people to force themselves into stamping on ants nest and getting bit by loads of ants all at once

so again i ask why are you soo pushy wanting to get immunised with your herd mentality and wanting to happen now

why not let people just walk safely around and away from ants and maybe get the occassional bite now and again
and get used to a small bite without high irritation

why be so crazed into wanting herd immunity now?

once you wake up and realise lockdowns didnt happen in january or february or even the first couple weeks of march. but only occured when it was beginning to be of concern to hospital care levels. you have to atleast admit that you know it does harm more people than you first say.. or admit you dont even grasp the true concept of safe herd immunity.

it just seems strange why you are so pushy to try making people get infected and want it to happen in such a short time

Why are you so pushy with your one-size-fits-all behavioral concepts?

It's his job security that is at stake. He said in one of his posts that he is a medical researcher, or something like that. If the medical goes down, his job - and maybe his life - is in peril.

As long as he can convince himself that he has some kind of a leg to stand on, he won't even feel guilty about the medical killing us off.

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In my country is yet too far to achieve the normal life that we have like before because the active cases are keep rising, Actually I'm  paranoid right now because I've been close contact in someone that is now Persons Under Monitoring because his sister is tested positive and I feel tiredness in these days. Anyway, if the vaccine will be invented by specific pharmaceutical company; for sure that the world economy will bounce back and the lives of many people will go back like before.

It is a false hope to wait for a virus. There has never been a vaccine for any of this family of virus, and if one is created it may be no better than the flu shots' we have now in effectiveness.

The supermarket ( Morrison's ) offered me a free face mask this morning when I went in for my coffee. I accepted it, as I don't have any physiological problems with mask wearing, and I had planned to use my Darth Vader mask, but I can't find it. I'll wear it whilst wandering round the store, and making payments, but that is all. If the store id being nice to me, then I'll help them avoid problems with the police.

@Spendulus and others. Thank you for quoting Franky - I've now got him on ignore, as he just seems to be intent on posting misleading and incorrect propaganda from the Pharma industry. I'm lucky - I haven't had any medical training, and I don't work in the miss-named health care industry, so my opinions are based on personal observation, experience, and reading reports from learned institutions that seem to get suppressed or misquoted.

When I was in my teens, I lost several friends when they tried to stuff their motor cycles through telephones boxes, and such incidents. Then I had a long period between 20 and 50 when I didn't bother too much about health, although I did get a lot of exercise, and drank too much wine. Round about 50, I started to notice that friends and acquaintances were dying and become sick, and that sparked my interest, and that of my partner. When I realised the the current "health" care industry is more about population control and wealth transfer, than about maintaining a healthy population, I realised that I was going to have to take control of my own health.

not a one size fits all.. more so a use common sense and science and math and not just blind follow cultish scripts


your so insane that it was actually YOU that made posts saying i am in the medical industry. and you continued on that path. and it seems your memory got lost somewhere and you forgot what/where/who said what and now thinking i must have said what you said

here is the thing
when hospitals were at critical level. idiots didnt know or care what the reason was.
they ignored it was about hospital capacity as the cause to need to implement lockdown
the idiots instead said government were over controlling wanting people to stay home and lockdown should be relaxed..
the number of cases dereased, hospitals got over their peak and it became safe to relax the lockdown
so then lockdown was relaxed.
but idiots needed to scream about something else. saying government over controlling asking people to stay at a distance..so idiots wanted the distance rule relaxed.. and when it was safe to it was

now its saying if your getting upclose. to respect people and wear a mask to reduce the risk
but again the idiots will wanna cry about saying its over controlling being asked to respect other people
well here is the thing. when the case numbers rise because idiots ignore the advice. restrictions wont get more relaxed.. they will have to tighten up. because. guess what. they do need to control the idiots to protect the smarter people from the idiots

so while idiots want to lick peoples faces as their "one size fits all" scenario where the results will be more sick people under that plan

my advice is to just respect peoples personal space. which can reduce the viral load thus less sickness because less battle to fight against. and less stress on all sides
its not that hard

but hey.. idiots will be idiots and do the opposite of common sense
so heres a little video
and because most idiots love youtube
heres one for you
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0b_eHBZLM6U
by the way
idiot conspiracy trend: #film your hospital
smart instant debunk: 'they dont sit in our lobbies'

Good, because a lot of those cultish scripts are Wear-Mask-and-Isolate-Centric, and that's total BS as a uniform policy. The variations are huge:

https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/data/new-cases-50-states

Exactly! This is exactly why we need to NOT follow the cult-like scripts of the medical societies. Rather, we need to look at the rest of the medical, that is being hidden by the cult-like part of medical societies.


Just repeating you where you said that you were part of medical research.



Here is the absolute, bottom-lime, basics regarding Covid and the medical. Whenever medical people identify the Covid virus by looking at it rather than by symptom identification, they can't tell the difference between the Covid-19 virus and a specific type of exosomes produced by our cells to heal us in ways.


Let me say it again. There are exosomes that our body produces that look exactly like the Covid-19 virus. Nobody has been able to find the difference between the two, so nobody knows if they are looking at an exosome or a virus.

This is part of the reason why the tests are turning up with false positives and false negatives.

What is an exosome? Do your research. But here is something:
Wake up and see that the whole idea of a Covid-19 virus - if it even exists - is so far away from being a pandemic-type of problem, that the medical really needs to go back to being formal witch doctors to start getting things a little more accurate.

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badecker has no clue

its like someone taught him a new word and now he thinks he knows science
kinda funny how he thinks someone has proved exosomes but no way of proving viruses

whats next badecker. trains and planes and automobiles should all be called 'cars'because they all look like they carry passengers

heres a clue
there are many ways of detecting, measuring, finding, diagnosing, identifying, sequencing many things.
so if badecker thinks science can identify an exosome then they can identify others things
and they can tell the difference of whats an exosome and whats a bacteria and whats a virus and whats just a grain of dust or dandruff

i know badecker thinks that his 12th century magic thinks a banana has the same dna as a human because he doesnt think dna/rna sequencing is a thing.

but he is in for a shock when he learns real science.
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badecker is the type of guy that will cry and claim for years that both a carrot and an orange are the same thing. because of the colour.
he thinks that is the only scope of science.. categorising things based on human vision without magnification of their colour

one day he will learn science. of chemical, ion, enzyme analysis. aswell as magnification to nano scales
but i dont think it will be this year because he  has wasted 6 months so far remaining ignorant to 21st century science

^^^ All that franky1 would have to do is Google "virus vs. exosome." If he can read, and if he can watch a few videos, he would see that viruses and exosomes do approximately the same thing. Also, they look the same so that they can't be distinguished by medical researchers.

One very interesting item is that exosomes are being used by medical people as medicine, along with stem cells (often where they originate). Google "exosome therapy" or "medical use of exosomes."

We are finding out that there are billions of kinds of exosomes, just like there are billions of kinds of viruses. We are finding out that most of the time a researcher can't determine the difference between a virus and its corresponding exosome. We are finding out that both exist in the same kinds of places in the cell. But watch the video at https://stoplookthink.com/exosome-theory-vs-virus-theory/ to see how the so-called Covid-19 virus fits exosome theory better than it fits virus theory.

When you put all the info together - including the fact that the Covid-19 identification tests were inconclusive - maybe there aren't really any viruses at all! Maybe it's all exosomes in various operations within and outside of the body.

Poor franky1. Still stuck in last century's understanding of medicine, rather than moving on into the future.

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Don't bet on it.


Still think America didn't go to the Moon, Badecker?

your "approximately" is where you would say a carrot is approximately an orange

there is alot of different things happening and alot of differences
there are lots of different viruses.. take ebola. it looks like a string tied in a knot. but a corona virus is like a spikey ball and a exosome looks like a bubble

exosomes have a totally different function than a virus
exosomes have a positive effect on cells.. viruses have a negative effect on cells
healing vs destruction

exosomes are native to the person and their rna encoding is for the persons health benefit like transporting things cells need to repair
viruses are alien/outsiders/invaders. RNA is not part of the humans biology and their task is to multiply and cause damage. using the invaded host as the host to multiply their alien rna

funny part is you said stupidly no one has seen a corona virus.. heck even the link said he thinks no one has tested corona virus nor identifued it(facepalm) but above you said an exosome looks like a corona virus
funny fip flop and self debunking you done.
if you say its never been identified how can you then say it looks like something else....

but i guess apples and oranges would confuse you too
as would the difference between methylmercury vs ethylmercury
as would monkey kidneys vs stem cells
as would crystal meth vs ethereal alcohol

..

you linked a website that also talks about flat earth and 9-11
(facepalm)
not even worth reading them cultish conspiracy sites. but i do find it funny how most of your links are conspiracy centric websites. but you avoid reading full documented and referenced scientific websites

I suppose we all talk silly at times, but you take the cake with that question.

Let me spell it out for you. It's difficult enough getting a few astronauts to the moon. Why would you ever think America went to the moon?

It wouldn't be so bad if you said it only once. But go read "The Secret of the Martian Moons" by Donald Wollheim to see that something like America going to the moon is far more of a project than Americans would even want to think about undertaking.

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If you want to discuss flat Earth, why not start another flat Earth thread? You probably won't be able to dispel a lot of the ideas flat earthers have.

As for viruses and exosomes, it's a great idea that these two beasties have different goals in their imitation of life. The thing that they have naturally, however, is a method that keeps us from determining which of these particles are viruses, and which are exosomes... except if we use extremely exacting and painstaking analysis in each and every, individual case.

The point is, in all our analysis and testing of average people, there might be a handful of them where some diligent researcher made an accurate, knowing determination regarding which of the two a patient has... exosomes or Covid-19. They literally are that similar.

The numbers are all skewed because of this. In fact, it may only have been a few hundred people who had the Covid virus, and the rest had exosomes. That's the simplistic way the individual testing has been done. We simply haven't done the testing correctly enough to do more than guess.

Or do you think that you can explain a case better than the doctors and professors in my links and websites?

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Now that's a fabulously non answer of an answer. Yes or do, did American put six spacecraft carrying twelve men on the Moon between 1969 and 1971?

Sending men to the moon is so last century.

Elon Musk is going to save energy by bringing the moon to the earth. I think he is just trying to raise money for an abstract project.

The Chinese are going to build a bridge so that they can mine the minerals there.

Boris Johnson wants to put a face mask on the man in the moon in case he has the covid virus, but Bill Gates is going to vaccinate him so that he has to buy pharmaceuticals.

Ban Ki-moon is going to host a climate change summit so that Jack can build a beanstalk as a natural way to get to the moon.

Jet Cash is going to cut down on coffee and eating blue ray cod - some say it affects the brain.

Or wasn't, if you believe Badecker.

Who cares anyway - I've got enough green cheese in my fridge as it is.

Are you asking me? I mean, you didn't seem satisfied with my last answer, so are you really asking me again?

Do you not have the ability to search the internet and elsewhere to find out how many people have landed on the moon? But America didn't go to the moon. America is still here on Earth where she has always been... or haven't you figured this out, yet?

Don't tell me you are one of those flat earthers, and you think the earth flipped over and America fell off.

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Maybe the people in Sweden have a lot of green cheese in their fridges. And maybe that's the real reason why they haven't had a big Covid problem. The green cheese is eaten, and acts like a natural vaccine in the tummy. But you gotta go to the site to see the chart.


Sweden: the One Chart That Matters (http://www.freedomsphoenix.com/News/287460-2020-07-27-sweden-the-one-chart-that-matters.htm)




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cheese=bacteria. = tummy
corona = virus= lungs

its the same silly mistake as badecker thinking swallowing bleach into the stomach would kill virus in the lungs..

but the idiot doesnt realise that the lungs and the stomach are separate. nor does he realise the damage to the stomach bleach can do.

and thats just common sense stuff badecker doesnt understand, before even discussing the science of the difference between a bacteria and a virus

but silly old badecker thinks everything is the same thing. he thinks bacteria, viruses, exosomes, apples and pears are all the same thing
because.. he is an idiot

Well, Sweden was right about not locking down. It's in the graph. Look at the site I listed above.

So, maybe they are right about eating the moldy green cheese to get vaccinated. That is, if you believe they do this, lol.

You kinda remind me of Willis, the parroting alien, in Robert Heinlein's sci-fi book RED PLANET.

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One more time. Here is your question. It's simple and it's not scary at all.

Yes or do, did American put six spacecraft carrying twelve men on the Moon between 1969 and 1971?

It isn't my question. If it were, I might be interested in looking it up. What? Am I your only source?

Hey, anybody. Spendy has a question that he can't apparently find the answer out for himself. Would somebody please answer it for him, so he doesn't have to continue to look like an idiot. [I'm sure he's not an idiot. He has some good points at times.]

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sweden is not safer due to moldy cheese

sweden is safer because they didnt invade their country with hundreds of cases in january and do absolutely nothing at all untill mid march

instead they didnt even get their first cluster of cases until much later. and initiated social distancing early on

funny part is dumb americans dont even went to social distance soon after that and ocked borders down
and limited travel and limited many things
but certain americans think even swedens personal space respect advice is bad advice

these idiot americans want to think cheese is the answer. along with bleach. along with sucking on a lightbulb
funny how even idiot moronic americans who dont think there is a virus are soo obsessed with turning it into an oppertunity to sell products. heck .. they even think selling subscriptions to some youtubers membership website will cure them.

such idiots. especially when they cant get the hint that they are the idiot even when reading things that describe them

and that is the reason why americans receive stricter controls. because there are obviously some americans that cant even take advice or use common sense. they would prefer to remain ignorant and cause issues with people around them. not even respecting peoples personal space. so tougher needed restrictions get implemented to help them even when they dont like or want it

america would have been in a different situation if some americas shown they had some common sense

america first community of covid positive cluster late january.
america first death of covid early february
america implemented community response mid march

sweden first community of covid positive cluster feb 26th
sweden first death of covid march 9th
sweden implemented community response march 11

oh look couple months vs couple weeks. shows america just didnt get the message intime

Lol. I would be surprised at somebody saying this... if it weren't you.

Sweden was safer because of faster herd immunity. But they weren't really much safer. Why not? Because the numbers have been manipulated. If they hadn't been manipulated, they would show that Covid isn't any more dangerous than the flu of any other year for anybody.

My question is, do you promote Covid propaganda out of ignorance, or because you are part of the Covid propaganda machine?

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I like mouldy cheese, and I know how to spell "mouldy"

Mature Stilton is great. It's a long time since I poured port into a round though.

I'm back in Asda for an experiment. That is another cafe with restricted WiFi, and no power sockets. Things are starting to open up slowly.

I've got a new theory about the virus as well. I believe it is a military creation, but it slipped out by accident. It isn't very serious, and it is very contagious. That is bad for the vaxers, as it spreads immunity, and then people don't need vaccinations. This seems to have created a panic in the Pharma world, but all those untested useless vaccines will probably do them more harm than good.

badecker flip:
covid isnt real.
badecker flop:
its real and has achieved herd immunity

badecker flip:
it hasnt acheived herd immunity because the government locked down cities
badecker flop:
government shouldnt have locked down because there is no pandemic

badecker flip:
covid is real and they can test it, but they are manipulating numbers saying people dying 'of' it, not 'with' it
badecker flop:
government are faking it all, theres no way to test for it they are making it all up

badecker flip
it said on some  fauxnews that car crash people are being classed as covid deaths
badecker flop
real news is saying people are dying due to respiratory infection symptoms and secondary related symptoms but they cant identify it


badecker flip:
it cant be identified
badecker flop:
it can be identified and it looks like something else

badecker flip
its not a virus its something else
badecker flop
people need to become immune to it
..
anyway while badecker flip flops and just cant grasp the basics
he wants immunity but then says its nothing important and that there is nothing to be immune against.
yet he then goes and tries talking people into swallowing glitter, bleach, lightbulbs and moldy cheese

so here is the thing
if badecker on his more lucid moments accepts there is a virus. and wants to say there is herd immunity.
he has to atleast at some point factor in that it does make some people sick..

otherwise if no one gets sick then there is nothing to pressure people into being immune against.
EG no threat=nothing needs to be done

once he grasps that a certain amount of people do get sick he has to realise that certain things need to be done to help reduce the amount of sick.

i know he will then bounce across to darwin and say survival of the fittest need to play out.
but at thi point he has to realise that he is just being immoral selfish idiot that doesnt care about human life

Of course Covid is real. It's real exosomes, not a real virus.

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You should look up his theory of "nano thermite" being cast into the World Trade Towers concrete during the tower construction back in 1976, so that they could be BLOWN UP whenever the DEVIOUS FORCES decided to. It's a mythical compound, of course, but this gives him a platform to expound on with a subject.

Stephen Jones and a fellow researcher proved the existence of nano-thermite.

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Wow, was that right? I heard they found chips of red paint, and made themselves look totally ridiculous trying to embellish the story into a magical mystical compound.

But on the subject of COVID, you're going to be RIGHTER, Right? Righter than on your nana-thermite-cast-into-WTC concrete in 1976, waiting ... waiting ... waiting ...

Isn't it true that most of what we are opinionated about comes to us at least second hand? So, what does it matter what you believe? What I believe is based on second hand things that I see and hear, just like you. Or were you digging around in the 9/11 debris where you got some samples that you analyzed?

Likewise, the subject of Covid is a subject that is probably second hand to you as well as to me. Or do you know everything by first-hand experience and examination?

What I mean is, I am right regarding both of them, Covid and 9/11, because I am relying on the reports. Or are you RIGHTER because you are relying on some other reports?

Don't tell me you do the research yourself, like franky1. Actually, if you DO do the research on Covid your actual self, I'd really like to know that. And I'd like to see your reports on Covid, to see if you follow Roberts' upgrade of Koch's Postulates.

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I got some news for you.

Research is not YouTube.

As others have noted, you do shun reliable sources and you favor quack sites. I do like the fictional concept of the magical mystery nano-thermite being cast into the WTC and detonated decades later. How many other structures have this built in time bomb? Could it be that a COVID-exosome mutation actually caused the exosome-derived-nano-thermite accumulation in the world trade towers?

No you are not right, and you believe whackos "reports".

Why haven't you guys commented on my cod filet that emitted blue light in the dark?

This is natural, a mutation to emit ultraviolet light to protect itself and you against COVID. You may find yourself also glowing blue at night, but don't worry.

Well it needs to protect itself against the crows, as I chucked it over the hedge. :)

Long-term use of face-masks is dangerous to health. And they are not being used at all to achieve Covid protection. Here is what they are being used for. Watch the video.


Dr Sherri Tenpenny - FACE MASKS ARE NOT EFFECTIVE AGAINST COVID-19: HOW MASKS ARE BEING USED (http://www.freedomsphoenix.com/News/287614-2020-07-30-dr-sherri-tenpenny-face-masks-are-not-effective-against-covid.htm)




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Let's see what Wikipedia has to say about Dr. Sherri Tenpenny.

Sherri Tenpenny is an American osteopathic physician and anti-vaccination activist who supports the discredited hypothesis that vaccines cause autism.[1] She is the author of four books opposing vaccination, and her 2015 lecture tour of Australia was cancelled due to a public outcry over her views on vaccination, which go against the established scientific consensus. She has no advanced clinical or research specialization in immunology, vaccinology, or public health, nor has she ever published peer-reviewed research in any area related to vaccines or immunology.

hmm....

Another whack job link?

I know it is exciting finding a whack job link. In your excitement you forgot to enter it. So, here it is for you - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sherri_Tenpenny.

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Sherri Tenpenny...

Register now for exclusive updates on Dr. Sherri Tenpenny, the Digital Freedom Platform and the London Real Army!

And what might the "London Real Army" be?

is a masseuse
she gets paid to give people massages.. not really what id call a experienced medical doctor nor one with much actual first hand knowledge of virology nor antibody nor any kind of epidemic

but i can now see why she likes to get paid just to touch people
$11 to watch a video on how to touch people.. hmm
pornhub can do a better job cheaper

it was comedy gold reading an article of hers
less than a year ago she wrte an article saying how in 2010 CDC started demanding all people of all ages healthy or the infirm to get their yearly flu shots. and was saying how she expects "That sounds like marching orders, and if you are not careful, you may end up being trampled by the hordes of people flocking to their doctor’s office, a pharmacy, a senior center or even grocery store to be inoculated and sent on their merry way."

funny part is when she wrote that in 2019 .. she obviously had 9 years of post knowledge to know that there was no trampling, hordes, flocks.. but even after 9 years of no evidence of any marching orders. she still wanted to make a scary illusion that its whats happening

anyway. she was never a ER doctor stitching up patients. she was a office dwelling back rubber. getting paid to go to meetings and conferences

Well this morning was interesting. I arrived at Asda early (6 am ), and used the mobile to check on Bitcoin,and a few other things, including Bitcoin Talk. I didn't bother to reply to any threads, as they contain so many useless poster quotes and re-quotes that it is quite hard to read the threads on a mobile, and even harder to try to understand the replies. Why do people have to keep quoting posts in full to make a minor reply to one of the points? You wouldn't do it if you were in a group conversation would you? Can you imagine it? Fred said "blah blah" and George replied "do dah dah", then Susan qualified George with the comment "dah dah do". After you had said all that lot, you then say " I agree with Susan". I bet the next time you joined the group, they would all walk away from you.  Forums are really group discussions, so the same concepts apply. Anyway enough of that, and on to the main point of this post.

I had gone to Asda because my elderly friend wanted some cat food ( behave, it was for the cat ).By the time I had got to the cafe, it had been open for an hour or so. I moved towards one of the wall tables with bench seats, and was told I had to get a number. OK, so I went back and picked up a flag with number 19 ( my old house number in Walton-on-Thames ), and headed for the wall tables. There are 5 tables, and two of them are closed because of social distancing. A family was occupying one, one had just been vacated, and one was clear with a number flag on it. I was told I couldn't sit at that table, so I sat at one of the less comfortable central tables to wait for the central one to be cleared. Another staff member observed that I had to order my coffee at the till, and I said that I was waiting for one of the wall tables.I was then told that as I had sat down at the smaller table, I had to stay there, as customers aren't allow ro move. When I asked why I couldn't use the empty table, I was told that it was in its quarantine period. It seems that after a table has been cleared and sanitised, it can't be used for 10 minutes. At this point I got up and went to Morrison's yet again.

Now lets put this in perspective. Fewer than half of the customers in the main store were wearing face masks, and I didn't see any wearing gloves. A higher percentage of the staff were wearing masks or visors, and some were wearing gloves. Nobody seems to bother about the law of the land.  Customers block the entrance as they utilise the hand sanitised stations. This is after they have come from home, and got out of their cars, and one would presume they were virus free, The sanitiser stations at the exit are largely unused,as people seem to want to hang onto the viruses they have picked up in the lethally infected store. :) The use of face masks must be reducing, as there weren't as many as usual blowing around in the car park.

1. presuming everyone 'came from home so virus free' is not logical or even common sense
people might have just finished work at a hospital where they had sick people coughing on them. many might have got off a plane and restocking their fridge after being away, many might have been home but have a sick person at home and the one going to the store is the only one available after being coughed on
heck they might even be supermarket tourists like yourself and its not the first shop they been to that morning

2. when a cafe has half as many tables as it usually does they they have to be more careful about loiterers just using up the space especially if its one person taking up a 4seat table. it doesnt matter if at that precise instant the cafe was quiet. they dont know when a sudden rush of people wanting a breakfast might come in. and they dont want to suddenly have to rush around trying to get you to move while also having the sudden rush to handle aswell. so yea they are pre-empting a rush and handling it while quiet
they would rather have an empty table for 4 potential patrons to buy 4 breakfasts. than one loiterer not even buying a coffee

3. its still good advice to only go to shops when really needed and not be a shop tourist jumping from one shop to another to another just for internet, i mean, your on a mobile phone. you dont need to be sat down especially in a cafe where you are not even buying a coffee. thats just pushing your luck
..
come on
for someone that says that people should help the economy. your hijacking free internet and not buying a coffee.. not very inspiring to tell others to do things you dont even do yourself

for someone that wants other people to go around and hug strangers. why be so helpful to your friend by doing things for them instead of motivating them to get their own cat food and hug random people
again. why are you saying to do things you are now revealing you dont do yourself

it seems you love to shout out scripts of stuff anti-vaxxers are campaigning for. but without understanding what they are campaigning for and without actually doing it yourself. heck its like your on autopilot just repeating conspiracy sites without thinking

so here is a plan
before trying to get the rest of the world sick. if you think the virus is so fake go get your friend to risk her health first
before telling others to risk getting sick for the economy. how about you buy stuff first
or
come to your senses when suddenly your own advice impacts your own close friends.. where you suddenly accept that your advice is bad advice.. and realise that we know your all mouth and deep down you know the virus is a real health risk. but ur just upset that your lifestyle has to change to adapt to the risk

welcome to reality. everyones lifestyle has changed. even mine. i used to travel alot. but i aint even gonna risk going on a plane in a closed cylinder of hundreds of people breathing the same air for hours.. i aint that dumb. i adapt, skype is way cheaper then a plane ticket anyway

Doctors don't grab anybody off the streets, randomly or not. Totally irrelevant.

Some doctors have found that Covid patients don't need ventilators at all. Many patients who were placed into a coma and ventilated, died. We can see that it was the ventilators that killed them, because people in similar condition and simply given oxygen with a mask lived.

The point isn't about people who need ventilators. The point is about those who don't need them, yet are subject to them, and die from them.

A second point is that you attempt to twist the whole language to make points that irrelvant to the conversation, as though they were relevant to the conversation.

If we were talking about painting the car blue, you would say that you wanted the garage painted red.

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What's really interesting is that you don't seem to have any credentials, and you seem to have all kinds of knowledge, yet you want to claim that other people don't have knowledge.

What? Do you think you are god or something?

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The Covid virus has already spread around the world through the atmosphere, inside water droplets. Almost everybody has it. Those who are going to get sick from it, have already done so. The rest of us have Coronavirus (common cold) immunity that has tweaked itself to resist Covid. The whole Covid thing is done and over with... except for a few places that are far away from populated centers.

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The whole topic of ventilators is quite interesting. I gather most of the ventilators in use are pretty useless, and the staff don't know how to use them. The successful ones are extremely expensive, and monitor the patient constantly, and make frequent micro adjustments. Operating them is a skilled and time consuming job, and this is why there aren't many of them. It's a last resort treatment as well. All of the ventilators that governments have been buying for the panicdemic are low grade, and are more likely to cause death rather than curing the patient.

But what do I know - I'm one of those nuts who believes that it is better to eat stinging nettles, dandelions and thistle roots to avoid illness, and that injecting disease into one's arm is stupidity.

ventilators are specialist equipment
and yes when american hospitals ask a stupid ER doctor to spend a week in a ICU department and he does stupid stuff he gets reprimanded for it and told to get off the ward. (badecker referenced that stupidity in march)
but thats where hospitals should be better equipped and better staffed
as for the rush to buy/design new ventilators for the pandemic. they are not of low grade.
the reason for the redesign is because some of the usual ventilators are patent protected and can only be sourced from certain suppliers meaning expensive and limited supply.
so the government got companies like Dyson to look at the patent and then make certain tweaks that dont break the quality but do atleast get out of the licencing deal of the certain supplier.

the equipment is actually tested to higher standards in the UK than say other countries. so dont even try making it sound like the new vents are crap

however covid doesnt just drain people of oxygen due to clogged up lungs. it also causes other organ damage due to the strain the virus ravishes on the person. EG stresses the heart kidneys and liver. causes blood clots and all the bad stuff that comes with all of that.
meaning people need other treatments too not just oxygen therapy. and thats why the 'temporary' nightingale hospitals were not much success because they only consisted of a bed and a vent. so when patients bodies were strained with other issues triggered by the virus the vent by itself would not be good enough. so patients were redirected straight to proper hospitals for multiple treatments for all the stuff triggered by the virus
ecmo, dialyses, heart monitors, medications, nebulisers. and all the rest
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yes people already with heart conditions will have a strained heart even more when covid triggers. but even healthy people can strain their heart. yes diabetic people can get blood clots more due to covid. but even healthy people can get blood clots.
also emphasising venitlitors is not the first/only treatment
usually patients start by being given nebulised oxygen therapy via a cpap machine or just non-pressure oxygen through a mask/nose cannula. but yea if things get worse more treatment and more extremes are given.

but anyway.
hospitals should be better equipped and better staffed.
in 1989 there were 300k hospitals beds. but now there are way under 200k. yep less beds=less patients can be managed at once
the nurse to patient ratio has changed
the gold standard in 1967 was one nurse per patient. but this has changed alot
these days a general ward of 24 bed has just 2 nurses and 3 support staff =12:1 bed:nurse ratio
some specialist wards do have the 1nurse 1bed. but even doing the math of 2 shifts(night and day) the amount of nurses vs beds per shift is just too low to cope with any high peak situation

as for the nurses that are trained to a high enough standard to be 'multiskilled' and able to be reassigned to different wards when a need arises. this has fallen to just 60% of registered nurses. meaning

in 3 wards of 73 patients at peak. with 6 nurses(2 per ward) only 4 of them can be reassigned to the ICU ward to take care of the 24 most critical leaving only 2 nurses to look after the other 48 less critical patients
.. and its this that needs addressing the most

as for your playful admission of you not knowing anything
if you just stop loitering around cafe's looking at antivaxxer sites. and actually use your internet time wisely to search proper sites with proper information. you can find the real info.
it took me one google search to fact check the hospital capacity and staffing levels.. and just 4 minutes.
its not rocket science

^^^ All that blab is basic stupidity. Viruses haven't ever been proven to exist, and probably don't exist.

Let's see how long it takes Youtube to remove the, below, video now that I have posted it here.


Do viruses even exist?
https://i.ytimg.com/vi/ySFQm1a01po/hqdefault.jpg?sqp=-oaymwEjCPYBEIoBSFryq4qpAxUIARUAAAAAGAElAADIQj0AgKJDeAE=&rs=AOn4CLCgpW_tnYYDBBaWehIkEpR3c7T8xw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ySFQm1a01po (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ySFQm1a01po)


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whats next.. computer viruses dont exist. they are just badly programmed good programs.

nope.
there is a big difference between a good program thats buggy and a virus that is programmed to specifically do damage on purpose

just watching 5 minutes.
she is not a qualified immunologist nor someone that sees or treats patients she is a blogger
she has a mentor she been following for years
her mentor made a $100k bet in 2015 that a measles vaccine does not exists... HE LOST
so she is being mentored by an idiot

funny part is they are saying that 'there is no virus because no one has found a virus by dipping a sample in sugar and spinning it around (sucrose centrifuge method)
its funny because this method this silly women thinks is the only way.. is not a gold standard. its not

as for saying even her chosen method has never been done.. it has
google has many results
heres just one for sars 2002https://jvi.asm.org/content/81/10/5423
heres one for sars cov 2 https://thenativeantigencompany.com/products/sars-cov-2-purified-viral-lysate/

but there are many more
oh and yea badecker this was from before march.. so you really are out of date with your research
maybe this will help you realise there is more than one way
https://www.epigentek.com/catalog/methods-of-virus-purification-n-41.html

..
real funny part is
she says "its crucial in science to do control experiments. .. the scientisits never dont control experiments"
so if no scientist ever done any control studies. the control studies are not part of science.

or reality is
they do control studies. as thats what scientists do.
and she is just too silly to actually research way from her mentors spoonfeeds

Whether viruses exist or not is only of academic interest to me. I know there is some disease that has been discovered, and there is a possibility that it was created in a military lab,but the important considerations are the effects on health and the economy. It seems there has not been a single death worldwide - I believe this because nobody has claimed the award for proving it. It doesn't seem to affect the bulk of the population, and this isfrom my personal observation. It is obviously going away, because the money Pharmas are desperate to get a vaccine onto the market before nobody needs it. This acceleration of vaccine development is quite alarming, as it seems it takes 4 years to check on the safety of a vaccine, and they are doing it in 4 months. Billions of pounds,dollars and euros are being taken out of a weak economy to starve it of funds for recovery.

Virus laboratories are reporting problems because they cn't find enough infected cases for treatment testing, and yet reports claim that infections are increasing. Well it seems they are increasing testing using inferior kits, so of course more cases will be found. Asses to that, they are reporting people with virus kike symptoms as infected.

The whole thing smacks of massive manipulation of the gullible public, and they are really stretching credibility. They are now using dogs to detect virus infections in America,what will be next?

there is no covid proof award
no one has made a ceremony/party that has invitees and nominated people

instead there are THOUSANDS of proven documentsation and hundreds of thousands of proven cases
if you just look outside our antivaxxer sites and look

heck just go to your local hospital and speak to a doctor that works on an ICU ward
i dare you to tell him that you know best that you know there are no deaths. and watch him explain to you the truth of what he actually first hand observes and has tests and scan results for

you can play armchair ignorance. and pretend no deaths are proved because no one has personally handed you any papers while kissing your ass.. but that does not mean they dont exist it just means you have avoided looking for them

your sounding more like badecker every day
if someone got shot. you would say its not murder because the bullet does not have a brain. your being very ignorant about the causal relationship of the man holding the gun that had motive and intent to kill and that the bulet would not have caused damage without the mans actions triggering it

same with covid. it causes respiratory issues. i know you wanna play mingames that people die of 'lack of oxygen' but your forgetting the cause.

heck maybe you need to go ask a doctor how death certificates work.. because they explain the causal relationship and have a separate area for impactful but not causal co-mobidities

EG the diabetes didnt kill someone but the respiratory distress caused the blood oxygen mix to get worse causing organ issues which didnt help the blood to circulate or filter. which because the persons blood was sticky due to diabetes made it even worse thus they had a blood clot and died.
where by not having the respiratory distress caused by the virus. bu still having diabetes. that person would have lived that day

learn some common sense causal relationship stuff
the cause of an issue

However, you are not qualified to make such a decision about her. Why not? Anybody can go to the CDC or NIH websites and find all kinds of info, as you have done.

But the thing that you have been unwilling to do is take any diagnosis reports apart, and break them down for us, so that we can see even the places where they follow Koch's, Rivers, Bell, or anything that makes virus identification sense. And that to say nothing about taking the process apart to see if it might have been properly done.

Since you can't do this, you aren't qualified. Everything you say is simply blab.

But if you suggest that you COULD do the breakdown for us, but you simply don't want to, why not? Wouldn't such a breakdown be proof... or at least the edge of proof... that viruses exist, and that you have at least a little credibility?

The point is, so far all we have is blab for the proof that viruses exist. Certainly if we had to go by anything that you post, viruses absolutely don't exist.

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you cant even read english that i dumb down to your childish level.
even when i have broken it down for you. heck i even linked you many times before, about the process and even linked you pictures of the mice and hamsters used to pass the koch,rivers,bell.
but you just played the ignorance and the amnesia card and then went back to your scripts pretending it was never said

how about.. if you cant read or understand medical stuff, stop pretending that you being an idiot is the proof that there is no proof. and realise your just an idiot

Yes, that's what he does. It does not matter that you prove something.

Did you really link pictures?

I suspect that we could go all over the Internet and find pictures of mice and hamsters. And if we wanted to wrote something along side them, we could do it. However...

What if your pictures of mice and hamsters (if they exist) all actually DID prove something that you agreed with. What about the picture of hamsters that Dr. Linus Pauling used to prove that heart disease was really scurvy, and that all you had to do was take 5 or 6 grams of vitamin-C per day, along with 2 or 3 grams of L-Lysine to cure heart disease. All of a sudden pictures of hamsters don't mean anything to you. All of a sudden they are a lie... to you.

You and your double standards and deceptive talk. Pure nonsensical blab.

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not all heart issues are scurvy
not all ailments are scurvy
not all ailments are helped with vitamin C

by the way
your memory loss. if its true memory loss where you cant even remember conversations recently.. proves that your not a healthy,fit, immortal person
maybe its now time you actually look at your own illness. because all your so called supplements have not helped with your memory issues

It took you 8 years of med school to figure that out? You're really moving right along, there.



I knew a guy who had a stroke. Before his stroke, he had an IQ of close to 200. After his stroke he maintained most of his memory. But his manipulation of the things he said wasn't quite right. He couldn't always figure out the correct point of the conversation. He sounded a lot like you sound.

Are you a stroke victim? Come on. Don't be shy. Fess up. We won't pity you. But we'll cut you a little slack.

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Can you pass the Turing test? Because I have not seen evidence proving you even exist as a human.

I missed your last line there. Would you mind repeating it?

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DOES BADecker exist?

Seems that you follow Forbes' advice. I know, I know. You gotta start your research somewhere.


AMERICANS TOO STUPID TO DO RESEARCH?
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I'm likely just responding to a Eliza sub-AI responder, so I'll pass on responding.

Aw, too bad. You actually DO have a good response now and again.

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that article was saying how peoples 'searching methods are not actually going to get them the truth. its just going to get them an answer that fits their pre-set narrative of what they want an answer to be

badecker for instance. you are a prime example
your not interested in finding facts. you have already set yourself an opinion months ago. and you research articles that support your opinion. and only want to link stuff that continues your wrong opinion

you do not do unbiased informed fact finding research.
you have been seen many many times preferring to dig yourself deeper into your stupid hole rather then accept you dug yourself a hole and want to get out of it.

you fear admitting you got things wrong so you just find more articles from idiots to support your stupidity. this is not finding the truth this is just you finding more idiots

you have so many times ignored avoided and just forgot about the many times people have given you real info. you have avoided even learning the basics to even start knowing the real facts. all you seem to want to do is find more stupidity to back up your existing stupidity.

EG
an alcoholic that likes alcohol. might be informed by someone else that alcohol can damage their liver and cause many other things. but the alcoholic will just google pro-alcohol info that says alcohol is good. totally avoiding the science, just so they can have an excuse to keep drinking by saying that loads of websites they found said its ok to drink alcohol..

just like your cultish websites have stupidly said its ok to speed down a road because you wont get arrested.
you stupidly believe that. you have not even bothered to look beyond your cultish sites at the actually reality of what happens when people speed on a road

thus your 'research method' is flawed and your too stupid t realise it

Now, franky1. That Forbes article was part of my research. So, I have a catch 22 there that you haven't realized yet.

If I follow what the article says, then I can't follow what the article says. So the only thing left is to NOT follow what the article says in the first place.

All this means is that the article theme destroys itself. And the reason for printing it is to mix people up... which obviously happened to you. But then, again, that's normal for you.

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if you read the article then it would tell you that your method of research is flawed.

so its not about reading the article to be told not to read the article.
its to read the article from a different unbiased viewpoint where your actually looking for information. and not excuses to carry on being ignorant

I was using the article for research. Since it tells me that my method of research is flawed, it must not be a good article to use for research, right? At least if I believe what it says, right? So, it is really telling me that my method of research is not flawed. Or is it?  :D

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The cafe actually create a certain number of death rate because of hunger for poor living being as that's the disadvantage of been indoor for a long period of time. Most sector in my country is open but only a condition to be opened on a private sector bringing in more revenue to the government claiming that money circulations had absolutely stopped in the system due to palliatives and other unplanned spending. Schools and other sections are closed up till this time.

i know jetcash loves his tinfoil hat stuff so here is a paradox he should think about

knowing that national chain stores fiddle their taxes and pay staff crappy wages that need subsidising by social security benefits...(more tax money going out of treasury than going into treasury)

knowing that small independant cafe's rely on customers to get an income and the only way for independant cafe's to not rely on government grants is to get customers. but whereby those independant businesses are then the main tax income stream of the treasury, because they are not fluent in tax dodging

should jetcash buy coffee from independant cafe's which would decrease the treasury expenditure while increasing the treasury income, while also keeping local businesses running and local staff getting paid

jetcash's economic cries whilst risking health means he needs to understand is his cries for economy actually truly well placed. are his motives and actions worthy of his ideals. is he actually doing things that will actually cause a 'greater good'

so far he is risking his health and then risking passing it on to his hopeful girlfriend who is trying to stay safe. but he is not really showing that his actions of 'boosting the economy' is actually boosting the economy where it matters

morrisons wont go bankrupt. they are actually more busy and more profitable than normally. so they dont need his daily custom
so is he really risking health of those around him for a really good cause of the economy of those around him

Our wonderful government is expanding the list of locations where wearing face masks is mandatory. You now have to wear a face mask if you are visiting an aquarium. However the fish are exempt.

just expect all public places where stranger that dont know eachother can come into proximity indoors to be a place requiring facemask

the funny thing though
is that aeroplanes which are a small cylinder of a couple hundred people inhaling the same air for 6-8 hours on average. dont need to.

oh wait.. spain is now seeing a rise in cases now that people are going to there
and expect the cities where airports exist in the UK to get regular waves

Get red lipstick.
Draw lips on masks.
Kiss on lipstick lips.
All okay. Double protection. Virus can't get through TWO masks, lol. :D

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It just shows the virus for what it is - no. 36 on the historic severity list. The real pandemic is the creeping virus of the globalists that is screwing up food supplies, and stripping wealth from countries and the people. We are not longer capitalist societies, as you can't have capitalism without capital.

google: "historic severity list"

hmmm.. doesnt appear to be an official thing that google can find
jetcash would you care to link this special list you have

Yes it is but the biggest concern is the speed of spread  infection we only have 2000 infections after three months we are now over 120k and keeps on growing, and to think that we did lock down for three months what more if we are not we could have 400k and might render our health workers helpless to take care of those infected.

Don't think of it as spreading infection, but as spreading immunity. Why would the health care workers be overloaded if they haven't already messed up people's immune systems? Many health care workers just seem to be providing pharmaceuticals that suppress the symptoms that indicate a person is fighting the infection. Examples of these are reducing the fever, and preventing diarrhoea. These can block the beneficial actions of the immune system.

Perhaps massive nutritional supplementation does the same. Why? Because supplementation is usually not in natural form. You gulp down a bunch of vitamin-C and vitamin-D and zinc. But they are never found in nature this way. Albeit, taking them like this is way better than taking most medications. But only do it for a while, and take breaks now and again.

I would think that the bast way to take supplements has two parts:
1. Get a big variety of natural foods. But you can only eat so much, and you are full. So split the foods up into various days, or eat only small amounts at a time;
2. Juice your foods. Eat some of the whole plant, but also juice some of the plants so that you get a bunch of nutrients. Somebody might say this is not natural. But many peoples around the world chew plants and suck the juice, spitting out the bulk pulp.

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though it is surprising to see that badecker moves away from his usual influencers adverts of getting people to buy chemical supplements. but its worthy of mentioning the moments of actual awakening when badecker actually realises the hole he got himself into
 
however a few details have to be highlighted
'juicing' does not help. yes it causes the nutrients to enter your blood stream faster because it bypasses many digestive processes. but that can actually cause issues with your digestive system too. and also skips some metabolism processes and doesnt actually get used properly by the body

because processes that should take a few hours to process naturally to absorb whats needed. just go straight into your system

this is why even if you have 2 oranges.. one in fruit form and one juiced
you get a bigger sugar rush and the vitamins then get filtered out because at the 2-4 hour period after drinking it.. most of it gets pissed out.

however the fruit form is absorbed slower and it includes fibre meaning the vitamins are absorb in a more acceptable rate and used by the body over a 6-12 hour period thus your body actually uses more vitamins

EG
juice example     fruit example
  |\
 |  \                    ,~~~~~~~,
/    \_______     /                  \
12345678910    1234567891011
thats for nutrients and sugars
having a sugar high is not actually 'feeling better/healthier' its just a trick your mind is playing and that trick then has the sugar/nutrition crash after.

small amounts regular is better than mega dose binges
having it in the right effective form works too

and also knowing what is actually helpful to then know what to have
by this, i mean thinking vitamin C is the sole solution for everything is the most foolish think ever said by badecker


and i explained all this because badecker was saying people should have thousands of milligrams of vitamin C in one go. which isnot just going to mean 99% is peed out in a couple hours.. but is also going to cause a sudden spike for 1-2 hours and then a crash. and the rest is peed out at the 2-4th hour
which is why its not recommended.
such a sudden rush of such huge amounts can actually cause issues
it actually starts to mess with the blood oxygen levels of people and can cause a kind of 'shock' to the system
thus ding the opposite of helping

which is why its better to have regular low dose EG a small glass of OJ a few times a day rather than a whole litre of OJ in the morning.
same with calcium. small amounts of milk in coffee throughout the day is better then drinking a whole carton/bottle of milk in the morning
same is said for many things, sugars, alcohol fats, carbs, and other nutrients

one massive meal and a litre of orange juice to wash it down is more harmful than the same total quantity but spread out in 3 meals of 1/3rd the total quantity

just taking more megadose vit C supplement in the morning(if vit c deficient) wont be helping you throughout the day and makes you become more intolerant where your body just tries to purge it in single use megadose form. thus you end up getting even less out of it than just taking a regular dose


say the daily intake of vit C is 90mg
your body would be using 16mg every couple hours(12 hours awake division)
so having 2000mg tablet in the morning = only 16-32mg used and then 1968+mg just peed out in 4 hours

repeat this and over time your body just treats the rush/crash as a threat and so the needed 16mg then doesnt even get to where its needed and then more of the 2000mg is purged and yet your body is still begging for vit C
(this is the same as the diabetics. too many sugar rushes causes your body to no longer want to absorb sugar normally(body slows down insulin production and ramps up kidney function to purge/convert the sugar)

however having 16mg every 4 hour(per meal) your body absorbs what it needs and actually allows your body to do its function throughout the day rather then rush/crash in 2 hours. and isnt trying to purge it after 2 hours as its not getting the rush/crash 'shock'
thus it regulates your body to function better for longer

..
in short eating an orange fruit is better than drinking the equivalent in juice. but if you are a juicer. have 1/3rd.. 3 times a day rather than megadose once a day

but unless your actually deficient of that nutrient then know alot of it will be peed out so dont waste lots of money trying to overdo it unless you need to, and then do it in moderation

^^^ Did you ever notice how franky1 opposes just about anything that makes sense?

When you take vitamins, for example, you get some big amount of a particular vitamin that is not in its natural surroundings. This might be good for you for a while, but you can easily overdose on some vitamins doing it this way. Or if you don't overdose, you might not be getting enough.

Juicing gives you a larger amount of nutrients almost the natural way they come in nature in plants. They are way more balanced than if you take vitamins out of the bottle. Simply be sure to eat a bit of the actual plant, and then drink all the nutrients in natural form that you get from juicing. Very good for you.

Remember this one thing. Whatever you do regarding nutrition, don't overdo it. Would you eat 20 pounds of cilantro in one sitting? If not, then don't drink 20 pounds of cilantro juice in one sitting, either.

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do u ever notice that i give actual advice and explanation

badecker one day says megadose on vit c even if you dont need it, then he says something different but then hints that magadosing is ok.. but then hints not to overdo it

he can never make up his mind thus defeats his own point of even saying things

1. orange fruit is best form of vitamin C consumption as its a slow release natural way
2. small glass OJ spread out over the day is second best
3. small dose vit C supplement regular is next
4. large glass OJ in one go. mostly goes to waste and causes rush/crash
5. megadose vit c supplement mostly goes to waste and causes more issues

1 or 2 is all people need. 3 only if you have symptoms of vit c deficiency and unable to eat/drink more
4-5 are not advisable at all

badecker pretends to say option 1 but is really just trying to subtly offer option 5 again
he is stuck in the trained script of supplement sales man offering bulk offers

sorry badecker but just because 1 is ok does not mean you can pretend 5 is the same as 1
his stupid subtle hints that megadosing is ok is in red.. which negate the other points

That is not being brave. That is Jet Cash taking unnecessary needless risk. He is exposing himself while he should be taking precautions. That is not a brave thing to do. Besides this, he should be able to afford a computer to log in at home.

The risk is not getting natural herd immunity.

You are going to get Covid, even if you never show any symptoms. If it takes a long time, you are still going to get it. Get out to the restaurant and get it overwith.

It's like going swimming. The water is 60degreesF. It feels so cold. But if you jump in and get used to it, it's fun. Why walk in slowly, fearing every step of the way? Swimming isn't for fearing. Life isn't either.

Coronavirus is barely any worse than the common cold. All the media stats are there for sensationalism... to scare you... like a horror movie where you get to play the part instead of just watch. Death totals aren't any bigger than any other year, and so far they are less than 2017.

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Did anybody ever notice how franky1 twists the meaning and takes anything out of context to make his point?

Megadosing of nutrients is generally okay for a short time. But it is way better than taking medicine from the doctor. How do we know? Just check the hundreds of thousands of hospital deaths every year. Those medical jokers don't know what they are doing.

Bit franky1 knows what he is doing. He attempting to reinforce his favorite pasttime... making money through the medical.

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The government seems to spend much of its time trying to discourage people from gaining free natural benefits, and offering less effective products from the money Pharmers. Hand sanitisers is one example, another is the use of sunlight to make vitamin "D" - the supplements provide a less effective variant, and there is a danger of over dosing with them. Vitamin "C" is yet another example, but try to find unpasteurised orange juice if you are drinking that.

government encourages people to go outside and get sunlight
i have not seen any message from boris that people should never go out and instead suck on supplements and take loads of pills

what you need to realise is that life is not binary of one extreme or another. its actually fiuld

so while you think when boris says reduce exposure you read 'remove exposure'
so while you think when boris says stay 2m apart you read stay 200m apart
so while you think when boris says stay home if you can and get some exercise you read 'never leave home for any reason'

reducing the spread is for the reduction of risk to those that get sick
other viruses with less sickness dont get the same advice where its only done for vaccine money. because its not about vaccine money. its about the fact that more people are getting sick

its been clear from day one the amount of people getting sick and needing hospital care is so high that it can over run hospitals if not under control

if the sickness was not so high then there would be no need to keep it under control

and thats the funny part you ignore
if sickness was as low as all other viruses. how comes all other viruses are not being handled the same way
thus lack of same controls. debunks the stupid rhetoric thats its done just to sell pharma products
because pharma could sell to all other viruses of the "same" situation.. if the situation was the same

Well the government initiative seems to be working. The Morrison's cafe has started to run out of food, mainly salads, lasagne, and afternoon teas. Things do seem to be recovering slowly where the government allows businesses and customers to work things out for themselves.

If I could only learn to eat the right things, maybe I could stop gaining weight. Do you think there is somebody controlling suppliers so that only fattening foods remain on the menu? Fat people catch Covid easier.

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in fact I agree with the implementation of "New Normal" the most important thing is that it has to be with a very strict health protocol.
in my country, most factories / malls have started to open with very strict health protocols.

Mall:
- temperature check and wash hands before entering
- the use of masks is mandatory
- Those above 50 years old are not allowed to enter
- Limitation on the number of visitors who may enter, if the number is over, waiting for those inside to leave and be replaced by new ones.
- maintain that distance must be maintained between visitors.

Factory / Compnay:
- Checking the temperature and sterilizing the body
- use a mask while at the factory / company
- limiting the number of employees who can enter by means of a shfit, taking turns in every other day.
- keep a distance in the task applied

the goal is that the wheels of the economy can run and the government can reduce the subsidies that must be issued because many have worked and produced to buy their daily necessities.
tax can be taken from the company even though there is still a separate compensation so that the Mall / Factory / Company does not have trouble.

Most weight gain seems to come from insulin resistance. This can be caused by eating refined sugars and ultra-processed food like seed oils and hamburgers. Butter is much healthier than vegetable spreads, which are actually seed oils. The manufacturing process is similar to the production of gasoline. I cook with coconut oil, and drizzle olive oil on salads and other food. Canola and soya oils are the worst to use for cooking.

Weight gain comes from eating. Stick to drinking only water for about a week, and eating no food at all, and taking no nutrients at all, and you will at least start to lose weight.

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i know jetcash is saying 'seed oil' and 'hamburgers' because of a specific video he watched (yea jetcash's words are just that obvious)

truth is weight gain is caused by a multitude of things

did you know that 2 litres of water weights 2kg

so if you are drinking more then 2litres of water but only peeing out less than 2litres due to bladder issues or kidney issues. you will gain weight
yep even excessive water can be bad for you

did you know heart issues where your body doesnt circulate blood as well (low blood pressure) can cause your body to (due to gravity) pump fluids down your body easily. but not bring them back up as easily
you can usually spot this with people with puffy hands and feet (elasticated socks mark your legs) and clubbed fingers and puffy hands
this is a sign of weight gain due to water retention, due to heart issues

its not even just 'eating too much' yes there is some about what your eating. but also if your not excreting the food out of the other end. your not removing it.

other things like blood oxygen
if your body is not getting enough oxygen due to smoking . then you are not combusting the fats as effectively thus not burning the fat. thus not helping

there are a multitude of reasons. even some mitochondrial defects and other growth hormone and metabolic defects.

trying to think its just 'seed oil' and 'hamburgers' is not even right. but it making it obvious jetcash didnt even think about his post and is just watching a video and repeating what it says to make it seem like he knows. when all he is doing is just repeating a video

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most funny part of the posts above
badecker syas yesterday 'if only i could learn to lose weight
badecker today says some naive advice as if he has learned

so badecker, maybe take more then just 1 day to learn something especially if it involves taking a week to try something.

Nope. Two liters of liquid water does not weight 2 kg on Mars. Or on the Moon. Or at the ISS.

It does not weigh 2 kg on Earth if it is falling, it weighs zero.

It does not weigh 2kg if it is solid water, ICE.

It does not weigh 2kg if it is 2 litters of water vapor.

Neither does it weigh 2kg if it is heavy water.

The 2 liters will weigh less at the equator than at mid latitude, and more at the poles.

That's nine different ways that you've been proved wrong.

No, I don't believe this is gonna be "new normal". We continue to see our friends, life continues, we look for different ways to entertain ourselves while the work of venues is limited. Face masks don't make us less communicative or friendly. This will end one day. I hope his fabulous hysteria will end soon...

"new normal".. maybe its the old normal

decades ago, kids at school prom couldnt dance upclose and personal
public displays of affection were not a thing
speed dating and approaching random people, geting physical in a matter of hours was not a thing
people didnt just cling to each other or stay 12 hours inside someone else house playing video games
hankerchiefs were a thing
class sizes were not 30+ kids in a class
work places were not cycling the same air, they actually had windows that opened
hospitals had more beds per populous

so this new normal could actually be the old normal

Standard franky1 twisting of the facts. School kids didn't dance up close for religious reasons, not medical reasons. In fact, in the past many religions didn't accept dancing with another person except if it was your husband or wife.

F-1 knows that the medical vaccine story is starting to fail. But he is trying to continue it because he is a devious troll in most of what he does and says.

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But when it ends (it will end soon) there will be so many, many people that no longer can rise up and talk like authoritative experts.

They will be left without purpose or meaning to their life.

This is so very unfair.

Why don't you care?

FTFY
badecker will just find another issue to cry about. i think he will jump back on the 9-11 conspiracy again

Well, that one is rather interesting. Of course it's been moderately well funded by the anti-American middle eastern operations for decades, and a few fell for it. Like Badecker. But he's got a couple variations on the standard themes. In his world, buildings have explosives mixed with concrete when they're built, so the CONTROLLERS sort of push buttons when they want a building to blow up.

The planes have nothing to do with it or didn't really exist or something, I forget.

Covid is not the important issue - it is a recent variant of a 90 year old family of viruses, and a half-way decent immune system can knock it on the head in a couple of days. It won't be the cause of a new normal. The new normal will be an economic reset as the puppet masters change the world currencies, and an increase in unhealthy food, as they try to move us to synthetic products to benefit the money Pharmers.

Not sure where you get your ideas from, but you might want to rethink this one again. You say there will be an economic reset and yet corona is not important? All of the negative economic impacts this year are coming from corona. Except China basically all nations are not growing this year - how is that not important? And which currency are implying? Yuan? Cryptos? I guess your post wasn't so serious. But how can you say it's an important issue after 6 months of everyone just being affected by the pandemic?

Lockdown was painful for most of us,not seeing family and friends. But , Today joyful things - during lockdown I have looked for things around meto use for bits or arty stuff. Here is a selection of some my garden wire sculptures...

The virus itself isn't all that dangerous. Rather, it's the fear by the media/governments/medical blowing up the danger stories into something they are not.

The virus itself is hardly any more dangerous than the common cold. Our immune systems can generally handle it, and much more easily if we are nutrition minded.

The reason for the virus-danger-lies, IS the economic reset. As you say, "Except China basically all nations are not growing this year..." The economic reset is the reason why nations are slowing down, not the virus.

The pandemic is based on exaggerations and lies. When you get into the total deaths for any reason, deaths this year are not much higher than any other year. In fact, 2017 was probably higher. This means that cause-of-death was artificially switched from other things to make Covid look bigger than it is.

So, what is the pandemic a pandemic of? Lies, exaggerations, people control, and economic reset.

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badecker is still wanting to help the taxman more then peoples health

kinda funny how he blames the government saying the virus doesnt hurt people as his ploy to get people to buy stuff and pay taxes to fund the government

i dont think badecker is actually thinking about what he says and is just repeating crap from sites he loves.
he doesnt realise his one script cancels out the context of his other script.


anyway. some clarity:
the amount of people going to hospital with severe flu symptoms is far far more than any previous year
FACT

the amount of people being made homeless in the last 6 months has gone down compared to previous years
FACT

heck even the average amount of people already homeless being given shelter and regular food has increased
FACT

more sick people. less homeless people. = care more about the health issues not the economy.
governments can make laws to write off their debt easily. so no need to worry about government debt. worry about health of the people

I'm starting to see people calling it a "casedemic". The problem doesn't seem to be the virus itself, that seems to be fairly mild by virus severity standards, although it may well be very contagious. The real epidemic seems to be the false and manipulated reports of infections, and the distortion of the effects. All this seems to be designed to persuade large numbers of the population to accept unnecessary. dangerous and crippling vaccines. It is also a good excuse to create vast quantities of worthless fiat currencies that can be used to purchase real assets for the bankers, and to destroy small farmers and businesses to expand the scope of the globalist corporations.

^^^ As you state in your "gloves" link, definitely wear gloves and other welding PPE when welding. And wear gloves for other protection when you are doing heavy or dangerous lifting. Other than that, you don't need gloves any more than anybody has been using gloves for hundreds of years.

Some of the healthiest people are those who don't wear gloves or any other PPE for protection from illness.

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Has it occurred to you that the "virus particles" may be nothing more than super shrunk cloned bankers? This would explain a whole lot of things.