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Title: Re: Request for permanent ban of user BayAreaCoins Post by: LoyceV on October 10, 2020, 10:16:45 AM repeated personal attacks against several members, me inculding, also for desturbing the threads repeatedly with off-topics This forum is all about freedom. You have the freedom to do basically anything you want, within the limits of the Unofficial forum rules (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=703657.0). If a post is off-topic, click "Report to moderator (http://)" and type "off-topic".Personal attacks are allowed! If you don't like someone, click Ignore. Quote unbelievable, but true, for selling assault rifles, guns and ammunition. Independent from a legal evaluation of the question, if it's legal to sell weapons and ammunition online to undefined destinations, especially in times of international terrorism, I'm of the opinion that the marketplace on Bitcointalk was not dedicated for selling such things. I've seen guns being sold on Bitcointalk. It's legal in some countries, and as long as both seller and buyer are following the law, it's allowed on Bitcointalk.Quote I'm of the opinion that Satoshi Nakamoto's forum was not created to abuse it repeatedly over a period of four years for the advertisement of an irrelevant exchange in countless threads. I'm pretty sure he didn't create Bitcoin to facility scam emails either, but it happens nonetheless. Even scamming is not against Bitcointalk forum rules. Freedom prevails! And although I just typed this myself, Google gives a great quote with it: Brian S. Wesbury (https://www.goodreads.com/quotes/287568-when-freedom-prevails-the-ingenuity-and-inventiveness-of-people-creates): “When freedom prevails, the ingenuity and inventiveness of people creates incredible wealth. This is the source of the natural improvement of the human condition.”. I don't think Satoshi created Bitcoin to judge people.Quote he took a known fake address as company's address Again: this is not against Bitcointalk forum rules, and thus not a reason to get banned.Quote To protect this forum and its members from further abuse and to deter the general public from such massive abuse I request for the permanent ban of user BayAreaCoins (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=137773)! Protecting this forum and it's members is handled through DefaultTrust (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5095156.0), not by banning users. BayAreaCoins is currently on DT2 (strength 0) (https://loyce.club/trust/2020-10-10_Sat_05.17h/137773.html). One more DT1-exclusion or one less DT1-inclusion will remove him from DT2.If anything, you'll have a better chance in Reputation (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?board=129.0) than in Meta. Title: Re: Request for permanent ban of user BayAreaCoins Post by: LoyceV on October 10, 2020, 10:43:58 AM The forum rules are clear: No off topic and no personal attacks. The former is correct, the latter isn't:2. No off-topic posts. Personal attacks, unfriendly behaviour and calling names is all part of the freedom (of speech) this forum offers. I'm not saying I like it, but I like the freedom, and I don't know any other forum as free as Bitcointalk.8. No threats to inflict bodily harm, death threats. Quote About weapon deals going on at Bitcointalk you don't really want to call this normal!? It doesn't matter what I think about it. I'm not selling guns, I'm not buying them, and I don't live in a country where it's allowed anyway.Quote Even if BayAreaCoins would promise to act only within the law: Nobody can control this. A crypto forum is definitely not the place for selling weapons! I disagree. This forum can be used to sell anything that's legal.Quote This is normally going on in the darknet! If you have evidence illegal items are being sold, you can use the "Report to moderator" link. I often do that when for instance bank accounts are being sold (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5173486.0), and those topics (usually created by Newbies) get removed.Response to your edit: 1. Free speech - you can say anything as long as it is relevant and presented in a calm and polite manner. Swearing, SHOUTING etc. make your post more likely to be removed. This doesn't mean the user gets banned. And I don't think swearing is actively removed nowadays, see for instance Poetry, by TMAN (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5138619.0).Title: Re: Request for permanent ban of user BayAreaCoins Post by: suchmoon on October 10, 2020, 01:00:20 PM Sorry, I won't discuss any longer about those basics, if "Kill yourself", "You're retarded" and "What a fucking loser weirdo" would be within the forum rules. As linked above the rules say you can say anything as long as it is relevant and presented in a calm and polite manner (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=20333.msg254443#msg254443). Further someone created a whole Bitcointalk forum etiquette (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5136703.msg50793983#msg50793983). Ban and delete are the only appropriate actions in those cases as the here reported one, not to talk again about the repeated abuse in advertising an unregistered exchange over 45 threads and a time period of four years. If this is gonna be normal then the trolls will take over the forum and we can say goodbye here! You're approaching this from a weird angle. If the post contains only "Kill yourself" - it's zero value post and can be removed as such. If there are 45 threads about the same thing - report them as duplicates. However if "kill yourself" appeared in an otherwise acceptable post, or if the 45 threads are not duplicates (e.g. theymos also runs weekly ad auctions - perfectly fine) you won't get them removed. Title: Re: Request for permanent ban of user BayAreaCoins Post by: suchmoon on October 10, 2020, 03:15:43 PM Got it! Just write a few other additional lines and within this package you are allowed to insult people without limits! I got it! So why not defining this exactly so in the forum rules? And spamming the forum with countless advertising threads for one single failed exchange shall be ok as well, I would define this then in the forum rules as well! Well, I'm getting more and more to the conclusion, that Bitcointalk is really a scammers' and trolls' paradies, just take a look at this thread (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5190706.msg55265051#msg55265051). The "kill yourself"-affected user SinbadGuthrie left already the forum and deleted all his postings. The affected user midnightmagic, complaining about "years-long criminal harassment", has also left the forum, other members have left the forum as well, just take a look at the negative feedbacks, and further members will follow, if nothing happens! As I stated already in another thread, I will shortly write public reviews about this forum, and for sure I won't waste my time here any longer, if the things are going ahead like this! I've absolutely no problem with it! If getting insulted is unacceptable to you then yes, this forum is definitely not for you. OTOH, you're free to call other users scammers and trolls and you're making full use of that freedom so it doesn't look like you're really against it when it suits you. Don't let the proverbial door hit you on your way out. Title: Re: Request for permanent ban of user BayAreaCoins Post by: BayAreaCoins on October 10, 2020, 05:44:54 PM I hate that I'm responding to this third world extortionist... I "picked up" this user after pulling them off the Namecoin developers balls (accusing the Namecoin devs of freaking tax bullshit for their $10 in donations they have received for years of work... lol ::) ).
I have very thick skin, I want FreeBitcoins to be set up so well that even the evilest fucks can't hold something over our heads and honestly, I need as much marketing help as possible anyways.... so fuck it, lets do it. First off: The forum "rules" can lick my butthole... both official and unofficial of course. :P I don't care about any DT or anything like that. That isn't why I try to do good business for everyone. I'm doing my own thing and I don't mind getting banned. I don't want to be anywhere I'm not wanted anyways. I can relocated as needed, but I'm very happy with the little group of folks here on Bitcointalk. I get banned allllllll the time places! Reddit especially ::) Even extortionist fucks, such as yourself, add value. Did you know that we normally pay hundreds of dollars for an "honest" review (backlinks "help" SEO I guess): https://coincodex.com/review/9324/freebitcoinscom-xchange-review-peer-to-peer-no-kyc-crypto-trading-platform/ (https://coincodex.com/review/9324/freebitcoinscom-xchange-review-peer-to-peer-no-kyc-crypto-trading-platform/) Second off: The address is real. It's a very common thing for companies in our situation to use a registered agent and mail forwarding office. Here is the company that we have used thus far: https://www.delawareregisteredagent.com/ (https://www.delawareregisteredagent.com/) You can see a similar concern of mine in regards to Coinbase office & Charlie Lee's response + more... In hidesite, I understand more than I did at the time of making those posts: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=938514.msg10282322#msg10282322 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=938514.msg10282322#msg10282322) Sadly, I don't know if we are going to be able to stay in America even without messing with USD or anything that attempts to represent itself as USD... It's incredibly complicated and we are incredibly poor, but we want to do everything "right" to protect people that use our site from some of the gross/dangerous requirements that come along with fiat thus far. The best way to not be involved with Money Laundering is not to fuck with money. We are NOT a money business service. We miss a ton of profit by not being a money business service. I don't want to compete or be in the same industry as my friendly bank. We are completely different businesses and we pray people can see that. Third off: Midnightmagic is still a Bitcointalker... he was just logged in 5 days ago. Stop acting like you weren't that Gutherie sockpuppet account lol!!!! Freaking weirdo! I'm glad to see you're about to follow your sockpuppet account and might "leave this forum" ;) ;) ... I'm sure you'll be back on a different "Scam Buster" name. On your next account... Just try to extort some losers that are operating a flat out Ponzi or ICO trash rather than someone that's been here working hard to color within some fairly delicate lines for a long time. Fourth and final: https://i.imgur.com/XXX9jLF.png And selling guns is absolutely legal + protected by my countries constitution. Kill yourself. :-* ;D Title: Re: Request for permanent ban of user BayAreaCoins Post by: The Sceptical Chymist on October 10, 2020, 06:04:58 PM There's no reference link for midnightmagic's feedback below, so to me that's just some accusation being hurled against BAC with nothing to back it up. And what is this about a complaint with the SEC?
Well, I think the forum users just need to take a look at the trust ratings of BayAreaCoins (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=137773) alias Steven Steiner, comment of midnightmagic: "This level of years-long criminal harassment is obviously not a safe trader." Also complaints in front of the United States Securities and Exchange Commission (https://www.sec.gov/tcr) are mentioned there. I'm of the opinion that the community has to be protected from such toxic users. Several warnings got ignored and triggered him to troll around even more. Therefore and due to repeated abusive behavior in several threads he gonna face now consequences, out of this forum as well. I'll be back! The address is real. It's a very common thing for companies in our situation to use a registered agent and mail forwarding office. Here is the company that we have used thus far: https://www.delawareregisteredagent.com/ (https://www.delawareregisteredagent.com/) OP must not be aware of how many publicly traded corporations are registered in Delaware, and the address is usually in a file cabinet on floor 79 of some building in some city in the state of Delaware. There's nothing strange, odd, or nefarious about that--though to someone who's ignorant about the advantages of incorporating your business in DE it might look that way.I've been kinda-sorta helping BAC promote FreeBitcoins.com with some stickering. If I thought or had evidence that he was doing anything illegal, I'd drop him like a flaming potato--but I don't. Title: Re: Request for permanent ban of user BayAreaCoins Post by: BayAreaCoins on October 10, 2020, 06:07:02 PM But I'm coming more and more to the conclusion, that I'm the bad guy here and in the end I have to apologize to BayAreaCoins ::) That would be very mature/grown-up of you though and I would be mildly impressed tbh. Feel free to apologize... I'm ready! (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EPSTGf5PWwM&feature=youtu.be&t=35) I've been kinda-sorta helping BAC promote FreeBitcoins.com with some stickering. If I thought or had evidence that he was doing anything illegal, I'd drop him like a flaming potato--but I don't. I appreciate that more than you could know. *air hug* Title: Re: Request for permanent ban of user BayAreaCoins Post by: suchmoon on October 10, 2020, 06:32:54 PM I'm the bad guy here and in the end I have to apologize to BayAreaCoins, this was it what you wanted to say? No. I mean if you want to - go ahead. No one really gives much of a shit. Same goes for your tweet. You can't even afford to buy fake followers? Sad. Title: Re: Request for permanent ban of user BayAreaCoins Post by: TGD on October 10, 2020, 06:53:56 PM Just report it to the mods and let them decide whether the post is acceptable or not for banning a user rather than create a separate thread for discussion about this matter. In the end the moderator is the one who will decide about this issue no matter how much you explain your side here. You can see tons of those slang curse words here in the forum but sometimes, that's just an expression same as street talk men.
Maybe you are just angry because he attack the project that you are supporting that's why you are using his against him. Title: Re: Request for permanent ban of user BayAreaCoins Post by: BayAreaCoins on October 10, 2020, 06:57:00 PM If it's going ahead like this I'm gonna do this in the end, it's just an email. More "if this, then that" extortionist trash. Title: Re: Request for permanent ban of user BayAreaCoins Post by: suchmoon on October 10, 2020, 07:01:10 PM ~ I thought you were leaving. Oh right, no one reads your tweets. Here you have an audience no matter how stupid your posts are. See, Bitcointalk is good for something. Title: Re: Request for permanent ban of user BayAreaCoins Post by: BayAreaCoins on October 10, 2020, 07:04:00 PM https://i.imgur.com/E9hzOfG.png
1. There are no Colts in this picture. 2. That is a box of a 1000 rounds of .223 green-tipped (armor piercing) (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wVxhCMAyYYM) ammo... Not .45ACP. (https://opticsandammo.com/product/20-round-box-5-56-pmc-x-tac-m855-62-grain-green-tip-fmj-556k-lap-ammo/ (https://opticsandammo.com/product/20-round-box-5-56-pmc-x-tac-m855-62-grain-green-tip-fmj-556k-lap-ammo/)) Your posts are so painfully wrong... that it's very hard to address all of it. Now you aren't just attacking me, but you're attempting to attacking a whole forum & community that is completely uninvolved. ::) mmmk Title: Re: Request for permanent ban of user BayAreaCoins Post by: BayAreaCoins on October 10, 2020, 07:28:34 PM Thanks for sharing! You're welcome. I know it's a Glock 17 without reading your weapon sales threads, but the general public knows better a Colt what is a synonym for all handguns. Also for the thousands rounds of ammunition and your caliber .45 I provided enough links and evidence. BTW, I can only laugh about your little toys there. You never had real firearms in your hand! Once you handled machine guns or 50 BMG for the very first time let us know! ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D I can assure you that I don't sell "fake" firearms. :-* If you want a machine gun (fully automatic and/or burst) or a 50 BMG and you have the coins... hollar at me and I'd be happy to help try to make that happen. (legally) Why don't you come try FreeBitcoins.com (http://FreeBitcoins.com) and THEN rain on my parade?! It might be fucking horrible and you have a legit bitch, but.... you might like it.... regardless you can bitch directly at me in our public chatbox too! We done here? Title: Re: Request for permanent ban of user BayAreaCoins Post by: BayAreaCoins on October 10, 2020, 08:00:25 PM But thanks for letting the public know that you're still dealing with weapons in commercial dimensions! Shall I ask the Arkansas State Police (https://www.dps.arkansas.gov/law-enforcement/arkansas-state-police/) if all this is happening in a legal way? Go for it fucktard... lol! rofl I have just started to notify the public about what's going on here, and I'm doing this just from time to time for relaxing. For being done here you would need to come up with something, e.g. a Bitcoin payment for repeated personal attacks, for false sock puppet accusations (mods could easily verify it over the logs) and for abusing the feedback sections just for satisfying your ego. I don't think so that there will come anything in this direction. Fixed it for you. Silly extortionist. You're quite clearly the one personally attacking people... ::) lol Anyways, you should go see if you can eat a few big bottles of Tylenol in under an hour. Good luck. Title: Re: Request for permanent ban of user BayAreaCoins Post by: BayAreaCoins on October 10, 2020, 08:03:42 PM Title: Re: Request for permanent ban of user BayAreaCoins Post by: BayAreaCoins on October 10, 2020, 09:11:48 PM Well, I'm sure the worldwide authorities and especially the .org TLD registry (https://thenew.org/org-people/about-pir/policies/org-idn-policies/anti-abuse-policy-org-idn/) will be interested about ongoing unregulated weapon deals here on Bitcointalk what is normally stuff for the darknet. This was not a warning. This was an announcement. I'll be back! Omggggg nooooooooooooooooooooooo!! Don't take Bitcointalk from me... I'm meltingggggggggggggg! https://media1.tenor.com/images/0953fee7b151fa41d0eaa0aa52484d52/tenor.gif?itemid=17977767 Talk to you later Kip Drordy (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SvExPAHT_TM). Title: Re: Request for permanent ban of user BayAreaCoins Post by: suchmoon on October 10, 2020, 10:29:54 PM Well, I'm sure the worldwide authorities and especially the .org TLD registry (https://thenew.org/org-people/about-pir/policies/org-idn-policies/anti-abuse-policy-org-idn/) will be interested about ongoing unregulated weapon deals here on Bitcointalk what is normally stuff for the darknet. This was not a warning. This was an announcement. I'll be back! Don't forget to report twitter.com too because you advertised BAC's gun sale thread there. If you can get twitter off the internet - that'd be fantastic. Thanks in advance. Title: Re: Request for permanent ban of user BayAreaCoins Post by: BayAreaCoins on October 11, 2020, 03:52:48 AM I would say, the (shooting-)game is now over, BayAreaCoins! I'm soooo sorrrrrryyyyy! :-[ ::) I've never broken a single gun law except for maybe one time when I was arrested as a minor with a handgun for doing a driveby on a turtle... (front page of the paper, I'll give you $20 if you can find that lol) That is why it's cool on Bitcointalk... because it's legal. Idk if you like it or not and I guess you're free to try to extort me, but I'm not even remotely worried about you or your empty ass stupid posts. "Unfortunately" Steven Steiner alias BayAreaCoins has to give back his Federal Firearm License now together with all of his toys I do not have and am not required to have an FFL. As you said, they are my toys... because with his continuous cyber harassment he has proven to be mentally not worth of keeping it. It should be noted you're the one harassing me and other developers. ::) The Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (https://www.atf.gov/atf-tips) was very interested in my report. Color me impressed, the ATF got back to you same day AND on a Saturday?! ;) ::) I've never even got a call back from voicemails I've left during normal business hours (Mind you that I understand that I'm just a little piss ant nobody)... Arkansas police are pretty decent about answering questions though in a timely fashion. Local FFL's are really awesome too. BTW, it doesn’t have a local Arkansas FFL (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2358643.msg24053657#msg24053657), at least according to puplicly available infos (https://legalbeagle.com/6966334-ffl-requirements-arkansas.html). Idk what you're trying to say. ??? I do use FFL's. It's just easier and such. I would say, the (shooting-)game is now over, BayAreaCoins! I'm soooo sorrrrrryyyyy! :-[ First, you're taking Bitcointalk.org and now you're taking the Second Amendment... my god, at least you aim high! Why don't you spend your time trying to take pedophiles off the street or something even remotely productive? Title: Re: Request for permanent ban of user BayAreaCoins Post by: BayAreaCoins on October 11, 2020, 04:08:06 AM Anyways, I don't see much more reason to respond to you.
I think you're beyond full of shit and just a problem starter... if I ignore you, you'll find someone else that is interested in having a problem with you. I encourage you to find something better to do with your short amount of time. I'm going to add you back to my ignore list and I'm just going to navigating my own shit. Title: Re: Request for permanent ban of user BayAreaCoins Post by: Timelord2067 on October 11, 2020, 05:14:06 AM Birds of a feather flock together...
First cab off of the rank is SinbadGuthrie who the OP ( Trade Runner ) quotes in the OP. Code: Name: SinbadGuthrie Trade Runner is trusted by SinbadGuthrie plus two other UID's, bitbottrader and iGO_Tech - all three trust each-other and have also merited each-others work. Week 86: https://loyce.club/trust/2020-09-12_Sat_05.10h/2312200.html Quote Trust list for: Trade Runner (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2312200) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=2312200) awaiting update) (32 Merit earned (https://loyce.club/Merit/history/2312200.html)) (Trust list (https://loyce.club/trust/2020-09-12_Sat_05.10h/2312200.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/Profile?p=Trade Runner)) (created 2020-09-12_Sat_05.10h) Back to index (https://loyce.club/trust/) Trade Runner Trusts these users' judgement: 1. NEW bitbottrader (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2598956) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=2598956) neutral) (7 Merit earned (https://loyce.club/Merit/history/2598956.html)) (Trust list (https://loyce.club/trust/2020-09-12_Sat_05.10h/2598956.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/Profile?p=bitbottrader)) 2. NEW SinbadGuthrie (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2698590) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=2698590) awaiting update) (1 Merit earned (https://loyce.club/Merit/history/2698590.html)) (Trust list (https://loyce.club/trust/2020-09-12_Sat_05.10h/2698590.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/Profile?p=SinbadGuthrie)) 3. NEW iGO_Tech (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2701871) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=2701871) neutral) (18 Merit earned (https://loyce.club/Merit/history/2701871.html)) (Trust list (https://loyce.club/trust/2020-09-12_Sat_05.10h/2701871.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/Profile?p=iGO_Tech)) Trade Runner Distrusts these users' judgement: - Trade Runner's judgement is Trusted by: 1. NEW bitbottrader (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2598956) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=2598956) neutral) (7 Merit earned (https://loyce.club/Merit/history/2598956.html)) (Trust list (https://loyce.club/trust/2020-09-12_Sat_05.10h/2598956.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/Profile?p=bitbottrader)) ~Trade Runner's judgement is Distrusted by: - Trust list: backscratchers: users agree, they trust or distrust each other. Trust list: backstabbers: users disagree, one user trust the other, while the other distrust him. Source: LoyceV's Trust list viewer (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5102296.0). Get your own Trust list in BBCode at loyce.club/trust (https://loyce.club/trust/). An example of their merit abuse can be found here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5255830.0;all Archive [1a], [1b] Quote Next we examine their activity dates: Code: 29 July 2018, 10:18:51 Date Registered: Trade Runner Conclusion: SinbadGuthrie and iGO_Tech have registered within two-and-a-half days of each-other just happen to choose the same week to DT trust Trade Runner? I don't think so. It is my opinion that all four: Trade Runner, bitbottrader, SinbadGuthrie and iGO_Tech are alts of each-other engaging in DT abuse and merit abuse. Here is how all fours DT lists look in Week 91: https://loyce.club/trust/2020-10-10_Sat_05.17h/2312200.html Quote Trust list for: Trade Runner (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2312200) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=2312200) +0 / =1 / -1) (47 Merit earned (https://loyce.club/Merit/history/2312200.html)) (Trust list (https://loyce.club/trust/2020-10-10_Sat_05.17h/2312200.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/Profile?p=Trade Runner)) (created 2020-10-10_Sat_05.17h) Back to index (https://loyce.club/trust/) Trade Runner Trusts these users' judgement: 12. bitbottrader (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2598956) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=2598956) neutral) (8 Merit earned (https://loyce.club/Merit/history/2598956.html)) (Trust list (https://loyce.club/trust/2020-10-10_Sat_05.17h/2598956.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/Profile?p=bitbottrader)) 13. iGO_Tech (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2701871) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=2701871) neutral) (19 Merit earned (https://loyce.club/Merit/history/2701871.html)) (Trust list (https://loyce.club/trust/2020-10-10_Sat_05.17h/2701871.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/Profile?p=iGO_Tech)) Trade Runner Distrusts these users' judgement: - Trade Runner's judgement is Trusted by: 2. bitbottrader (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2598956) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=2598956) neutral) (8 Merit earned (https://loyce.club/Merit/history/2598956.html)) (Trust list (https://loyce.club/trust/2020-10-10_Sat_05.17h/2598956.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/Profile?p=bitbottrader)) 3. iGO_Tech (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2701871) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=2701871) neutral) (19 Merit earned (https://loyce.club/Merit/history/2701871.html)) (Trust list (https://loyce.club/trust/2020-10-10_Sat_05.17h/2701871.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/Profile?p=iGO_Tech)) ~Trade Runner's judgement is Distrusted by: - Trust list: backscratchers: users agree, they trust or distrust each other. Trust list: backstabbers: users disagree, one user trust the other, while the other distrust him. Source: LoyceV's Trust list viewer (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5102296.0). Get your own Trust list in BBCode at loyce.club/trust (https://loyce.club/trust/). https://loyce.club/trust/2020-10-10_Sat_05.17h/2598956.html Quote Trust list for: bitbottrader (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2598956) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=2598956) neutral) (8 Merit earned (https://loyce.club/Merit/history/2598956.html)) (Trust list (https://loyce.club/trust/2020-10-10_Sat_05.17h/2598956.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/Profile?p=bitbottrader)) (created 2020-10-10_Sat_05.17h) Back to index (https://loyce.club/trust/) bitbottrader Trusts these users' judgement: 2. Trade Runner (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2312200) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=2312200) +0 / =1 / -1) (47 Merit earned (https://loyce.club/Merit/history/2312200.html)) (Trust list (https://loyce.club/trust/2020-10-10_Sat_05.17h/2312200.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/Profile?p=Trade Runner)) 3. iGO_Tech (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2701871) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=2701871) neutral) (19 Merit earned (https://loyce.club/Merit/history/2701871.html)) (Trust list (https://loyce.club/trust/2020-10-10_Sat_05.17h/2701871.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/Profile?p=iGO_Tech)) bitbottrader Distrusts these users' judgement: - bitbottrader's judgement is Trusted by: 2. Trade Runner (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2312200) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=2312200) +0 / =1 / -1) (47 Merit earned (https://loyce.club/Merit/history/2312200.html)) (Trust list (https://loyce.club/trust/2020-10-10_Sat_05.17h/2312200.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/Profile?p=Trade Runner)) 3. iGO_Tech (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2701871) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=2701871) neutral) (19 Merit earned (https://loyce.club/Merit/history/2701871.html)) (Trust list (https://loyce.club/trust/2020-10-10_Sat_05.17h/2701871.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/Profile?p=iGO_Tech)) ~bitbottrader's judgement is Distrusted by: - Trust list: backscratchers: users agree, they trust or distrust each other. Trust list: backstabbers: users disagree, one user trust the other, while the other distrust him. Source: LoyceV's Trust list viewer (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5102296.0). Get your own Trust list in BBCode at loyce.club/trust (https://loyce.club/trust/). https://loyce.club/trust/2020-10-10_Sat_05.17h/2701871.html Quote Trust list for: iGO_Tech (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2701871) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=2701871) neutral) (19 Merit earned (https://loyce.club/Merit/history/2701871.html)) (Trust list (https://loyce.club/trust/2020-10-10_Sat_05.17h/2701871.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/Profile?p=iGO_Tech)) (created 2020-10-10_Sat_05.17h) Back to index (https://loyce.club/trust/) iGO_Tech Trusts these users' judgement: 1. Trade Runner (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2312200) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=2312200) +0 / =1 / -1) (47 Merit earned (https://loyce.club/Merit/history/2312200.html)) (Trust list (https://loyce.club/trust/2020-10-10_Sat_05.17h/2312200.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/Profile?p=Trade Runner)) 2. bitbottrader (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2598956) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=2598956) neutral) (8 Merit earned (https://loyce.club/Merit/history/2598956.html)) (Trust list (https://loyce.club/trust/2020-10-10_Sat_05.17h/2598956.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/Profile?p=bitbottrader)) iGO_Tech Distrusts these users' judgement: - iGO_Tech's judgement is Trusted by: 1. Trade Runner (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2312200) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=2312200) +0 / =1 / -1) (47 Merit earned (https://loyce.club/Merit/history/2312200.html)) (Trust list (https://loyce.club/trust/2020-10-10_Sat_05.17h/2312200.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/Profile?p=Trade Runner)) 2. bitbottrader (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2598956) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=2598956) neutral) (8 Merit earned (https://loyce.club/Merit/history/2598956.html)) (Trust list (https://loyce.club/trust/2020-10-10_Sat_05.17h/2598956.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/Profile?p=bitbottrader)) ~iGO_Tech's judgement is Distrusted by: 1. blurryeyed (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=885996) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=885996) +1 / =5 / -2) (18 Merit earned (https://loyce.club/Merit/history/885996.html)) (Trust list (https://loyce.club/trust/2020-10-10_Sat_05.17h/885996.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/Profile?p=blurryeyed)) Trust list: backscratchers: users agree, they trust or distrust each other. Trust list: backstabbers: users disagree, one user trust the other, while the other distrust him. Source: LoyceV's Trust list viewer (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5102296.0). Get your own Trust list in BBCode at loyce.club/trust (https://loyce.club/trust/). ... and week 89: https://loyce.club/trust/2020-09-26_Sat_05.08h/2698590.html Quote Trust list for: SinbadGuthrie (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2698590) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=2698590) neutral) (1 Merit earned (https://loyce.club/Merit/history/2698590.html)) (Trust list (https://loyce.club/trust/2020-09-26_Sat_05.08h/2698590.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/Profile?p=SinbadGuthrie)) (created 2020-09-26_Sat_05.08h) Back to index (https://loyce.club/trust/) SinbadGuthrie Trusts these users' judgement: - SinbadGuthrie Distrusts these users' judgement: - SinbadGuthrie's judgement is Trusted by: 1. Removed ~SinbadGuthrie's judgement is Distrusted by: - Source: LoyceV's Trust list viewer (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5102296.0). Get your own Trust list in BBCode at loyce.club/trust (https://loyce.club/trust/). Title: Re: Request for permanent ban of user BayAreaCoins Post by: suchmoon on October 11, 2020, 06:27:57 AM Title: Re: Request for permanent ban of user BayAreaCoins Post by: Timelord2067 on October 11, 2020, 07:05:39 AM ... I'm sure quickseller (and any number of other peddlers of accounts) has said the same thing about their own conversations with their own alts. https://i.pinimg.com/originals/d8/27/fe/d827fe112256adc7cb4eee6e884754e0.gifhttps://i.pinimg.com/originals/d8/27/fe/d827fe112256adc7cb4eee6e884754e0.gifhttps://i.pinimg.com/originals/d8/27/fe/d827fe112256adc7cb4eee6e884754e0.gifhttps://i.pinimg.com/originals/d8/27/fe/d827fe112256adc7cb4eee6e884754e0.gif Title: Re: Request for permanent ban of user BayAreaCoins Post by: BayAreaCoins on October 11, 2020, 07:28:49 AM Birds of a feather flock together... First cab off of the rank is SinbadGuthrie who the OP ( Trade Runner ) quotes in the OP. Code: Name: SinbadGuthrie Trade Runner is trusted by SinbadGuthrie plus two other UID's, bitbottrader and iGO_Tech - all three trust each-other and have also merited each-others work. Week 86: https://loyce.club/trust/2020-09-12_Sat_05.10h/2312200.html Quote Trust list for: Trade Runner (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2312200) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=2312200) awaiting update) (32 Merit earned (https://loyce.club/Merit/history/2312200.html)) (Trust list (https://loyce.club/trust/2020-09-12_Sat_05.10h/2312200.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/Profile?p=Trade Runner)) (created 2020-09-12_Sat_05.10h) Back to index (https://loyce.club/trust/) Trade Runner Trusts these users' judgement: 1. NEW bitbottrader (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2598956) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=2598956) neutral) (7 Merit earned (https://loyce.club/Merit/history/2598956.html)) (Trust list (https://loyce.club/trust/2020-09-12_Sat_05.10h/2598956.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/Profile?p=bitbottrader)) 2. NEW SinbadGuthrie (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2698590) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=2698590) awaiting update) (1 Merit earned (https://loyce.club/Merit/history/2698590.html)) (Trust list (https://loyce.club/trust/2020-09-12_Sat_05.10h/2698590.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/Profile?p=SinbadGuthrie)) 3. NEW iGO_Tech (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2701871) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=2701871) neutral) (18 Merit earned (https://loyce.club/Merit/history/2701871.html)) (Trust list (https://loyce.club/trust/2020-09-12_Sat_05.10h/2701871.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/Profile?p=iGO_Tech)) Trade Runner Distrusts these users' judgement: - Trade Runner's judgement is Trusted by: 1. NEW bitbottrader (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2598956) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=2598956) neutral) (7 Merit earned (https://loyce.club/Merit/history/2598956.html)) (Trust list (https://loyce.club/trust/2020-09-12_Sat_05.10h/2598956.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/Profile?p=bitbottrader)) ~Trade Runner's judgement is Distrusted by: - Trust list: backscratchers: users agree, they trust or distrust each other. Trust list: backstabbers: users disagree, one user trust the other, while the other distrust him. Source: LoyceV's Trust list viewer (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5102296.0). Get your own Trust list in BBCode at loyce.club/trust (https://loyce.club/trust/). An example of their merit abuse can be found here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5255830.0;all Archive [1a], [1b] Quote Next we examine their activity dates: Code: 29 July 2018, 10:18:51 Date Registered: Trade Runner Conclusion: SinbadGuthrie and iGO_Tech have registered within two-and-a-half days of each-other just happen to choose the same week to DT trust Trade Runner? I don't think so. It is my opinion that all four: Trade Runner, bitbottrader, SinbadGuthrie and iGO_Tech are alts of each-other engaging in DT abuse and merit abuse. Here is how all fours DT lists look in Week 91: https://loyce.club/trust/2020-10-10_Sat_05.17h/2312200.html Quote Trust list for: Trade Runner (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2312200) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=2312200) +0 / =1 / -1) (47 Merit earned (https://loyce.club/Merit/history/2312200.html)) (Trust list (https://loyce.club/trust/2020-10-10_Sat_05.17h/2312200.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/Profile?p=Trade Runner)) (created 2020-10-10_Sat_05.17h) Back to index (https://loyce.club/trust/) Trade Runner Trusts these users' judgement: 12. bitbottrader (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2598956) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=2598956) neutral) (8 Merit earned (https://loyce.club/Merit/history/2598956.html)) (Trust list (https://loyce.club/trust/2020-10-10_Sat_05.17h/2598956.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/Profile?p=bitbottrader)) 13. iGO_Tech (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2701871) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=2701871) neutral) (19 Merit earned (https://loyce.club/Merit/history/2701871.html)) (Trust list (https://loyce.club/trust/2020-10-10_Sat_05.17h/2701871.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/Profile?p=iGO_Tech)) Trade Runner Distrusts these users' judgement: - Trade Runner's judgement is Trusted by: 2. bitbottrader (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2598956) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=2598956) neutral) (8 Merit earned (https://loyce.club/Merit/history/2598956.html)) (Trust list (https://loyce.club/trust/2020-10-10_Sat_05.17h/2598956.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/Profile?p=bitbottrader)) 3. iGO_Tech (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2701871) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=2701871) neutral) (19 Merit earned (https://loyce.club/Merit/history/2701871.html)) (Trust list (https://loyce.club/trust/2020-10-10_Sat_05.17h/2701871.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/Profile?p=iGO_Tech)) ~Trade Runner's judgement is Distrusted by: - Trust list: backscratchers: users agree, they trust or distrust each other. Trust list: backstabbers: users disagree, one user trust the other, while the other distrust him. Source: LoyceV's Trust list viewer (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5102296.0). Get your own Trust list in BBCode at loyce.club/trust (https://loyce.club/trust/). https://loyce.club/trust/2020-10-10_Sat_05.17h/2598956.html Quote Trust list for: bitbottrader (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2598956) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=2598956) neutral) (8 Merit earned (https://loyce.club/Merit/history/2598956.html)) (Trust list (https://loyce.club/trust/2020-10-10_Sat_05.17h/2598956.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/Profile?p=bitbottrader)) (created 2020-10-10_Sat_05.17h) Back to index (https://loyce.club/trust/) bitbottrader Trusts these users' judgement: 2. Trade Runner (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2312200) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=2312200) +0 / =1 / -1) (47 Merit earned (https://loyce.club/Merit/history/2312200.html)) (Trust list (https://loyce.club/trust/2020-10-10_Sat_05.17h/2312200.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/Profile?p=Trade Runner)) 3. iGO_Tech (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2701871) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=2701871) neutral) (19 Merit earned (https://loyce.club/Merit/history/2701871.html)) (Trust list (https://loyce.club/trust/2020-10-10_Sat_05.17h/2701871.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/Profile?p=iGO_Tech)) bitbottrader Distrusts these users' judgement: - bitbottrader's judgement is Trusted by: 2. Trade Runner (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2312200) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=2312200) +0 / =1 / -1) (47 Merit earned (https://loyce.club/Merit/history/2312200.html)) (Trust list (https://loyce.club/trust/2020-10-10_Sat_05.17h/2312200.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/Profile?p=Trade Runner)) 3. iGO_Tech (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2701871) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=2701871) neutral) (19 Merit earned (https://loyce.club/Merit/history/2701871.html)) (Trust list (https://loyce.club/trust/2020-10-10_Sat_05.17h/2701871.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/Profile?p=iGO_Tech)) ~bitbottrader's judgement is Distrusted by: - Trust list: backscratchers: users agree, they trust or distrust each other. Trust list: backstabbers: users disagree, one user trust the other, while the other distrust him. Source: LoyceV's Trust list viewer (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5102296.0). Get your own Trust list in BBCode at loyce.club/trust (https://loyce.club/trust/). https://loyce.club/trust/2020-10-10_Sat_05.17h/2701871.html Quote Trust list for: iGO_Tech (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2701871) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=2701871) neutral) (19 Merit earned (https://loyce.club/Merit/history/2701871.html)) (Trust list (https://loyce.club/trust/2020-10-10_Sat_05.17h/2701871.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/Profile?p=iGO_Tech)) (created 2020-10-10_Sat_05.17h) Back to index (https://loyce.club/trust/) iGO_Tech Trusts these users' judgement: 1. Trade Runner (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2312200) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=2312200) +0 / =1 / -1) (47 Merit earned (https://loyce.club/Merit/history/2312200.html)) (Trust list (https://loyce.club/trust/2020-10-10_Sat_05.17h/2312200.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/Profile?p=Trade Runner)) 2. bitbottrader (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2598956) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=2598956) neutral) (8 Merit earned (https://loyce.club/Merit/history/2598956.html)) (Trust list (https://loyce.club/trust/2020-10-10_Sat_05.17h/2598956.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/Profile?p=bitbottrader)) iGO_Tech Distrusts these users' judgement: - iGO_Tech's judgement is Trusted by: 1. Trade Runner (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2312200) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=2312200) +0 / =1 / -1) (47 Merit earned (https://loyce.club/Merit/history/2312200.html)) (Trust list (https://loyce.club/trust/2020-10-10_Sat_05.17h/2312200.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/Profile?p=Trade Runner)) 2. bitbottrader (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2598956) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=2598956) neutral) (8 Merit earned (https://loyce.club/Merit/history/2598956.html)) (Trust list (https://loyce.club/trust/2020-10-10_Sat_05.17h/2598956.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/Profile?p=bitbottrader)) ~iGO_Tech's judgement is Distrusted by: 1. blurryeyed (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=885996) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=885996) +1 / =5 / -2) (18 Merit earned (https://loyce.club/Merit/history/885996.html)) (Trust list (https://loyce.club/trust/2020-10-10_Sat_05.17h/885996.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/Profile?p=blurryeyed)) Trust list: backscratchers: users agree, they trust or distrust each other. Trust list: backstabbers: users disagree, one user trust the other, while the other distrust him. Source: LoyceV's Trust list viewer (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5102296.0). Get your own Trust list in BBCode at loyce.club/trust (https://loyce.club/trust/). ... and week 89: https://loyce.club/trust/2020-09-26_Sat_05.08h/2698590.html Quote Trust list for: SinbadGuthrie (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2698590) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=2698590) neutral) (1 Merit earned (https://loyce.club/Merit/history/2698590.html)) (Trust list (https://loyce.club/trust/2020-09-26_Sat_05.08h/2698590.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/Profile?p=SinbadGuthrie)) (created 2020-09-26_Sat_05.08h) Back to index (https://loyce.club/trust/) SinbadGuthrie Trusts these users' judgement: - SinbadGuthrie Distrusts these users' judgement: - SinbadGuthrie's judgement is Trusted by: 1. Removed ~SinbadGuthrie's judgement is Distrusted by: - Source: LoyceV's Trust list viewer (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5102296.0). Get your own Trust list in BBCode at loyce.club/trust (https://loyce.club/trust/). I've tagged the account in concern because I agree with your opinion. Matthew Pattemore perhaps? https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1064824.msg11412701#msg11412701 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1064824.msg11412701#msg11412701) Post history matches, socketpuppets chatting with each other, aggressive extortionist.... I got a feeling (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uSD4vsh1zDA)! I too want more money. I am a professional bull shitter. My service is for everyone who loves the art of bullshitting and want to learn how to bullshit. I will teach you everything you will need to know on how to bullshit with the best of them. Price is 10 btc for Basic and 20 btc for the Advanced package. Waiting for you! "I am Joe Blow, the lover man! You should pay me." Haha... I'd def bet Mathew Pattemore is at it again! Silly silly! Title: Re: Request for permanent ban of user BayAreaCoins Post by: LoyceV on October 11, 2020, 09:12:45 AM Sorry, I won't discuss any longer about those basics You seem to be having a hard time accepting that not everybody agrees with your views.If getting insulted is unacceptable to you then yes, this forum is definitely not for you. I don't think Trade Runner will be joining the Thick-Skinned Gang (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5226757.0) any time soon.Trust abuse by Trade Runner I'm creating this post as a reference for the Neutral feedback I'm going to leave Trade Runner. He's been busy tagging people: https://loyce.club/other/TradeRunner.png I'll respond to this accusation by explaining to you why I Merited this post (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5281132.msg55352853#msg55352853). You've created a thread asking to ban BayAreaCoins. In my opinion, his response is worth reading, and that's why I Merited it. This doesn't necessarily mean (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5280159.msg55320839#msg55320839) I endorse what's written. Or maybe you should read what theymos wrote (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5050263.msg47119519#msg47119519) about Merit sources (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2851620.msg37645060#msg37645060): tags you for something stupid involving merit I recommend reading LoyceV's Beginners guide to correct use of the Trust system (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5191802.0), which has broad support (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5191802.msg55323442#msg55323442) from the community. I would be more interested, if you or another "legendary" member here did get anything else than just posting personal opinions. That's literally what a forum is about.Quote Did anyone of you take up the fight for other members? Yes.Quote And did you resolve at least a single case? Yes.But only if I believe the user is right. And you're wrong. Protecting this forum and it's members is handled through DefaultTrust (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5095156.0), not by banning users. BayAreaCoins is currently on DT2 (strength 0) (https://loyce.club/trust/2020-10-10_Sat_05.17h/137773.html). One more DT1-exclusion or one less DT1-inclusion will remove him from DT2. Instead, Trade Runner is collecting Trust exclusions (https://bpip.org/TrustLog) by himself now:Code: 10/11/2020 9:15:57 AM DT2 selection LoyceV distrusts Trade Runner Title: Re: Request for permanent ban of user BayAreaCoins Post by: Timelord2067 on October 11, 2020, 10:20:09 AM I would be more interested, if you or another "legendary" member here did get anything else than just posting personal opinions. Did anyone of you take up the fight for other members? And did you resolve at least a single case? If so, show me the money! Else I kindly recommend to get out of here! Yes, I did: https://i.imgur.com/ZNjAvEN.jpg Trust abuse by Trade Runner I'm creating this post as a reference for the Neutral feedback I'm going to leave Trade Runner. He's been busy tagging people: https://loyce.club/other/TradeRunner.png ... ... Protecting this forum and it's members is handled through DefaultTrust (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5095156.0), not by banning users. BayAreaCoins is currently on DT2 (strength 0) (https://loyce.club/trust/2020-10-10_Sat_05.17h/137773.html). One more DT1-exclusion or one less DT1-inclusion will remove him from DT2. Instead, Trade Runner is collecting Trust exclusions (https://bpip.org/TrustLog) by himself now:Code: 10/11/2020 9:15:57 AM DT2 selection LoyceV distrusts Trade Runner There's also my distrust of Trade Runner. But they are not the only one of those four who are posting retaliatory trust feedback on my page: https://i.imgur.com/A5gNltX.jpg bitbottrader has as well. Title: Re: Request for permanent ban of user BayAreaCoins Post by: suchmoon on October 11, 2020, 03:17:37 PM Well, so your conclusion is I would operate all those sock puppets Your sockpuppets are irrelevant. You're enough of a moron from this one account for anyone to see that you're not playing with a full deck. You sent out retaliatory trust ratings and included a bunch of scammers in your trust list just because you can't accept the rules of this forum. Didn't you promise to fuck off to Twitter? Now is a good time. Title: Re: Request for permanent ban of user BayAreaCoins Post by: iGO_Tech on October 11, 2020, 05:53:41 PM Birds of a feather flock together... SinbadGuthrie and iGO_Tech have registered within two-and-a-half days of each-other just happen to choose the same week to DT trust Trade Runner? I don't think so. It is my opinion that all four: Trade Runner, bitbottrader, SinbadGuthrie and iGO_Tech are alts of each-other engaging in DT abuse and merit abuse. Hello Timelord, make your name worthy and get back in time to do your homework over again. I am Umit from igotech.io and registered as iGO_Tech Your poor investigation tells enough about you, dont try to show off pretending to be a bull with horns, as it didnt grow yet. My advise to you, dont discredit yourself with this nonsense! Now go back to your drawing table and redo your homework, if you like this also in the real world, then i feel sorry for you as it means you are uneducated! Kind Regards, Title: Re: Request for permanent ban of user BayAreaCoins Post by: suchmoon on October 11, 2020, 07:09:06 PM @suchmoron, I wonder if you would open your cheeky mouth that wide as well if you were standing right in front of me? ;D ;D ;D ;D Indeed, I had a little pain in my fingers after adding all users to my trust list, which gave you negative feedback. I did this because I wanted to show it to the general public how your trust rating looks like then for logged in members: I'm happy to hear that you wasted your time instead of just adding "page=untrusted" to the URL. Yes, I have offended quite a few scammers and other similarly-abled individuals like yourself, but you're the one with those scammers in your trust list now. You're not very bright, are you? Title: Re: Request for permanent ban of user BayAreaCoins Post by: iGO_Tech on October 11, 2020, 07:19:20 PM You're not very bright, are you? Wow, talking about bright, with -minus 104 trust score, I think you should not walk round the tree in front of your face and showing a little wooden stick to others! Title: Re: Request for permanent ban of user BayAreaCoins Post by: LoyceV on October 11, 2020, 07:51:43 PM I'm not so worried about getting a scammer in my trust list The beauty of theymos' current Trust system is that you can f*ck up your own Trust list as much as you want, and nobody else cares at all! Just don't expect anyone else to take your feedback seriously while you're collecting more exclusions.Title: Re: Request for permanent ban of user BayAreaCoins Post by: DireWolfM14 on October 11, 2020, 08:12:22 PM you need to register a firearm business on local level You're off your rocker, stop making an absolute fool of yourself by talking about shit you don't understand. Individual sales of firearms in United States is perfectly legal, as long as all trades adhere to local, state, and interstate laws. For example, I can sell a firearm in my state as long as the transaction is facilitated by licensed dealer (third party.) Interstate sales are also legal as long as the firearms are shipped to a licensed dealer for transfer within the legal confines of the purchaser's local laws. If you don't believe me, go tell the ATF that all the registered users of gunbroker.com are violating your interpretation of American firearm laws. Title: Re: Request for permanent ban of user BayAreaCoins Post by: nutildah on October 11, 2020, 08:54:01 PM Unfortunately your juridical skills are too limited to compete with me. So once again here just for you: You have to make a difference between private sales and commercial sales. If you're doing it in a commercial style, especially regularly dealing with new weapons and thousand rounds of ammunition as Steven Steiner alias BayAreaCoins is doing it, you need two things: A license on federal level called FFL, and a locally registered trade business. I won't cite the legal text for you, go ahead and study it for yourself! Please, you have to give up this petty obsession with BayAreaCoins. You are threatening reporting him for violation of gun sales laws? Why? That has nothing to do with anything, least of all you. If you really insist on reporting this user to law enforcement, then just do it. No need to give us updates about it. His activity isn't hurting anybody. Find an instance where he actually scammed somebody, that would be much more interesting. Title: Re: Request for permanent ban of user BayAreaCoins Post by: DireWolfM14 on October 11, 2020, 08:58:33 PM Unfortunately your juridical skills are too limited to compete with me. Okay. I mean, I only owned and operated my own firearm business for 11 years, and I've been buying and selling firearms (commercial and personal) for decades, but I'll defer to your superior intellect and vast experience on the subject. ::) ::) ::) Title: Re: Request for permanent ban of user BayAreaCoins Post by: logfiles on October 11, 2020, 09:04:09 PM "Unfortunately" Steven Steiner alias BayAreaCoins has to give back his Federal Firearm License now together with all of his toys, because with his continuous cyber harassment he has proven to be mentally not worth of keeping it. The Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (https://www.atf.gov/atf-tips) was very interested in my report. BTW, it doesn’t have a local Arkansas FFL (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2358643.msg24053657#msg24053657), at least according to puplicly available infos (https://legalbeagle.com/6966334-ffl-requirements-arkansas.html). I would say, the (shooting-)game is now over, BayAreaCoins! I'm soooo sorrrrrryyyyy! :-[ Forgive me if I am a little misinformed but isn't sharing such information here a.k.a Doxing against the forum rules. Shouldn't this be published in the Investigations Board?Title: Re: Request for permanent ban of user BayAreaCoins Post by: nutildah on October 11, 2020, 09:16:58 PM Everyone here knows that it is a complete outdated platform here, a software-technical patchwork carpet, how it couldn't be worse. Abusing it for weapon sales is finally the end of this site. Well, sounds like this place isn't for you and you need to move on then. Continuing to threaten members here because you don't like what goes on is very petty and stupid. As I said earlier, if you are actually going to do any reporting to law enforcement then just do it. You don't have to tell us about your every little move. Just do it and stop talking about it. Title: Re: Request for permanent ban of user BayAreaCoins Post by: DireWolfM14 on October 11, 2020, 09:25:17 PM giving 10 % "discount" for Muslims No shit? Hey BayAreaCoins, I was born and raised Muslim (not practicing,) do I qualify? If you still didn't get it after 11 years operating a gun shop then I recommend to start reading (https://legalbeagle.com/6966334-ffl-requirements-arkansas.html). Just first result out of Google. I'll see your google results and raise you California's firearm laws (https://www.atf.gov/file/117166/download). Let me know once you've pulled your head out of your ass. Title: Re: Request for permanent ban of user BayAreaCoins Post by: suchmoon on October 11, 2020, 09:25:55 PM Forgive me if I am a little misinformed but isn't sharing such information here a.k.a Doxing against the forum rules. Shouldn't this be published in the Investigations Board? Yes, but you can't expect a lunatic to adhere to rules. Keep reporting it. Fingers crossed for a temp ban. Wow, talking about bright, with -minus 104 trust score, I think you should not walk round the tree in front of your face and showing a little wooden stick to others! You have a problem in your trust list, sparky. Title: Re: Request for permanent ban of user BayAreaCoins Post by: suchmoon on October 11, 2020, 09:54:24 PM Why not porn? Here you go: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5270534 Title: Re: Request for permanent ban of user BayAreaCoins Post by: Timelord2067 on October 11, 2020, 11:58:05 PM Birds of a feather flock together... SinbadGuthrie and iGO_Tech have registered within two-and-a-half days of each-other just happen to choose the same week to DT trust Trade Runner? I don't think so. It is my opinion that all four: Trade Runner, bitbottrader, SinbadGuthrie and iGO_Tech are alts of each-other engaging in DT abuse and merit abuse. Hello Timelord, make your name worthy and get back in time to do your homework over again. I am Umit from igotech.io and registered as iGO_Tech Your poor investigation tells enough about you, dont try to show off pretending to be a bull with horns, as it didnt grow yet. My advise to you, dont discredit yourself with this nonsense! Now go back to your drawing table and redo your homework, if you like this also in the real world, then i feel sorry for you as it means you are uneducated! Kind Regards, If you're not an alt of SinbadGuthrie then why is it you deleted your entire post history (including merited posts) which is exactly what SinbadGuthrie did? Code: Name: iGO_Tech Both iGO_Tech and Trade Runner have deleted posts - including ones that have been merited. Code: Merit summary for iGO_Tech Title: Re: Request for permanent ban of user BayAreaCoins Post by: nutildah on October 12, 2020, 12:45:11 AM If you're not an alt of SinbadGuthrie then why is it you deleted your entire post history (including merited posts) which is exactly what SinbadGuthrie did? Because iGO_Tech managed to come to an agreement with the Coinsbit exchange (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5255830.0) where he got refunded for a coin listing. Part of the agreement was to remove everything negative he'd written about Coinsbit, which was pretty much all of his posts. If you look at SinbadGuthrie's posts (https://loyce.club/archive/members/269/2698590.html), they have nothing to do with Coinsbit. I don't understand the connection between Trade Runner, iGO_Tech and SinbadGuthrie -- perhaps they made an agreement to include each other in their trust lists. It's bizarre to think Trade Runner and SinbadGuthrie are alts as they frequently talked to each other, though it wouldn't be the weirdest thing I've seen. Title: Re: Request for permanent ban of user BayAreaCoins Post by: iGO_Tech on October 12, 2020, 05:17:49 AM If you're not an alt of SinbadGuthrie then why is it you deleted your entire post history (including merited posts) which is exactly what SinbadGuthrie did? Because iGO_Tech managed to come to an agreement with the Coinsbit exchange (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5255830.0) where he got refunded for a coin listing. Part of the agreement was to remove everything negative he'd written about Coinsbit, which was pretty much all of his posts. If you look at SinbadGuthrie's posts (https://loyce.club/archive/members/269/2698590.html), they have nothing to do with Coinsbit. I don't understand the connection between Trade Runner, iGO_Tech and SinbadGuthrie -- perhaps they made an agreement to include each other in their trust lists. It's bizarre to think Trade Runner and SinbadGuthrie are alts as they frequently talked to each other, though it wouldn't be the weirdest thing I've seen. Thank you Nutildah Title: Re: Request for permanent ban of user BayAreaCoins Post by: Timelord2067 on October 12, 2020, 07:14:29 AM If you're not an alt of SinbadGuthrie then why is it you deleted your entire post history (including merited posts) which is exactly what SinbadGuthrie did? Because iGO_Tech managed to come to an agreement with the Coinsbit exchange (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5255830.0) where he got refunded for a coin listing. Part of the agreement was to remove everything negative he'd written about Coinsbit, which was pretty much all of his posts. If you look at SinbadGuthrie's posts (https://loyce.club/archive/members/269/2698590.html), they have nothing to do with Coinsbit. I don't understand the connection between Trade Runner, iGO_Tech and SinbadGuthrie -- perhaps they made an agreement to include each other in their trust lists. It's bizarre to think Trade Runner and SinbadGuthrie are alts as they frequently talked to each other, though it wouldn't be the weirdest thing I've seen. Didn't Panthers52 and Quickseller talk to each-other frequently? These trust feedback posts on vycl87's trust feedback page (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=1213661) show that it's not just a one off occurrence either: (middle of three posts) https://i.imgur.com/6GKNzIO.jpg Quote Part of the agreement was to remove everything negative he'd written about Coinsbit, which was pretty much all of his posts. Why now, not when it occurred? - And how exactly does iGO_Tech remove the five flags they created against Coinsbit supporters? Quote I don't understand the connection between Trade Runner, iGO_Tech and SinbadGuthrie -- perhaps they made an agreement to include each other in their trust lists. They have DT trust of each-other, merited each-other, given each-other positive trust feedback and as you can see below they have all placed numerous negative trust feedback's on anyone they can find associated with Coinsbit (and created Flags too)
These Flags appear to be little more than retaliatory flags only. Quote Because iGO_Tech managed to come to an agreement with the Coinsbit exchange where he got refunded for a coin listing. Part of the agreement was to remove everything negative he'd written about Coinsbit, which was pretty much all of his posts.
3 of 4 users posting negative trust feedback or flags - yet Trade Runner is supposed to have brokered a peace settlement between iGO_Tech and Coinsbit. Quote Because iGO_Tech managed to come to an agreement with the Coinsbit exchange (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5255830.0) Strange way to broker a settlement by supporting flags started by iGO_Tech and trust abusing anyone who supports Coinsbit. Note to BAC: SinbadGuthrie claims no-ice-please (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=339471) is an older alt... no-ice-please2 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2469637) also claims the no-ice-please account is theirs. Another ploy scammers with multiple alts will do is throw one of their minor alts under the bus: For those who are really interested: SinbadGuthrie (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2698590) = OpenEcoClub (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2852930) without any doubt. 04 June 2014, 13:32:48 Date Registered: no-ice-please 29 July 2018, 10:18:51 Date Registered: Trade Runner 12 November 2018, 05:30:18 Date Registered: no-ice-please2 14 November 2018, 05:45:16 Last Active: no-ice-please2 13 May 2019, 01:18:11 Date Registered: bitbottrader 24 June 2019, 08:05:32 Last actual post no-ice-please 01 July 2019, 05:23:08 Last Active: no-ice-please 22 October 2019, 01:37:19 Date Registered: SinbadGuthrie 25 October 2019, 22:22:54 Date Registered: iGO_Tech 11/25/2019 9:02:36 AM password reset via email iGO_Tech 3/27/2020 6:33:29 AM Changed to Archived status Inactive for 90 days SinbadGuthrie 5/24/2020 8:19:24 PM Profile woke up New post SinbadGuthrie 6/3/2020 11:54:50 AM password reset via email iGO_Tech 11 September 2020, 21:41:26 Date Registered: OpenEcoClub 21 September 2020, 13:45:12 Last Active: SinbadGuthrie 23 September 2020, 05:07:52 Last Active: OpenEcoClub OpenEcoClub added. Title: Re: Request for permanent ban of user BayAreaCoins Post by: nutildah on October 12, 2020, 07:33:17 AM Didn't Panthers52 and Quickseller talk to each-other frequently? Hundreds of forum users that aren't alts of each other also talk to each other frequently. These trust feedback posts on vycl87's trust feedback page (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=1213661) show that it's not just a one off occurrence either: (middle of three posts) But what ties those accounts together is a shared bitcoin wallet. That is (for the most part) foolproof evidence that those are alt accounts. If you don't have that kind of solid connection, you're just kicking up dust without purpose. I wouldn't even bother commenting on a "potential connection" without solid evidence. What's the point? Quote Part of the agreement was to remove everything negative he'd written about Coinsbit, which was pretty much all of his posts. Why now, not when it occurred? - And how exactly does iGO_Tech remove the five flags they created against Coinsbit supporters? It was when it occurred, which was relatively recently. And nobody is asking iGO_Tech to "remove the flags" as everybody knows that's an impossibility. Strange way to broker a settlement by supporting flags started by iGO_Tech and trust abusing anyone who supports Coinsbit. None of this is true or correct. Title: Re: Request for permanent ban of user BayAreaCoins Post by: vycl87 on October 12, 2020, 08:02:17 AM These trust feedback posts on vycl87's trust feedback page (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=1213661) show that it's not just a one off occurrence either: (middle of three posts) But what ties those accounts together is a shared bitcoin wallet. That is (for the most part) foolproof evidence that those are alt accounts. If you don't have that kind of solid connection, you're just kicking up dust without purpose. I wouldn't even bother commenting on a "potential connection" without solid evidence. What's the point? I said it already earlier. There is no wallet sharing. It is about to mutual trust with each other. I knew him a very long time ago from Bountyhive Telegram channel and we made some transactions together. He wanted to buy some FRM (BTW, I am Turkish community manager of Ferrum Network project.) So we deal for buying FRM at that point. He gave me his BTC from his signature bounty so I sent him to some FRM. Anyway, it doesn't matter anymore, you judged and you decided already and my account is useless anymore. I am done with sharing here anymore, anything. I know it doesn't matter if I leave here or not. But you should know one thing. You accuse too many people of "unnecessary" excuses and banish them from the forum. Soon, the forum will become a place no one visits for these reasons. Then those who use the forum for their own interests will have no interest in this forum either. I am not blaming anyone at the moment, including the nutildah I answered here. I am just declaring one situation. One thinks how far the forum can go when there are people who use the forum out of purpose, ready to do all kinds of harm to others for their own interests. As I said, it will not matter whether I am on this forum or not. However, hundreds of people like me were unfair to these people and left the forum. While the number of participants in this unique forum created by Bitcoin's founder is decreasing, the number of people interested in crypto in places such as Reddit, Telegram and Twitter is increasing every day. As far as I can see from my current community manager position, people follow Telegram groups and some other social media channels when making investment decisions. In fact, newcomers to cryptocurrencies do not even know Bitcointalk. Why would they sign up for this forum where they spent months struggling and eventually tarnished their account? I signed up for this forum during the BTC bull in late 2017, at the recommendation of a very close friend, and I learned a lot and shared many things I learned with others. Now I see that sharing in both global and local sections is decreasing. I follow the forum constantly, as a habit I will continue not to follow it. But I do not see the future of the forum appropriate. My only request from you is that you do not share me and my situation in this way. Yours truly... Title: Re: Request for permanent ban of user BayAreaCoins Post by: iGO_Tech on October 12, 2020, 08:19:40 AM They have DT trust of each-other, merited each-other, given each-other positive trust feedback and as you can see below they have all placed numerous negative trust feedback's on anyone they can find associated with Coinsbit (and created Flags too) Hey Timelord, if you dont know the story behind then do not pretend you know. The once assisted me to recover my 1 btc is trusted by me and the others for the cause in fighting against Scam practices. Your so called investigation is based on really nothing, and I urge you to stop using my name in to your childish inspector gadget nonsense! Just for your info, Flags can be withdrawn but never beeing removed from Bitcointalk, only when other Flag supporters remove their support it will become inactive till it have enough support again to be active! Title: Re: Request for permanent ban of user BayAreaCoins Post by: LoyceV on October 12, 2020, 09:09:04 AM Flags can be withdrawn but never beeing removed from Bitcointalk Flags can be removed:Quote 2020-10-09 Fri 09.51h source: loyce.club (http://loyce.club/trust/flags/403.html) 832. (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;flag=832) This Flag has been removed by the Bitcointalk forum administration 831. (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;flag=831) This Flag has been removed by the Bitcointalk forum administration 820. (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;flag=820) This Flag has been removed by the Bitcointalk forum administration 819. (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;flag=819) This Flag has been removed by the Bitcointalk forum administration 818. (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;flag=818) This Flag has been removed by the Bitcointalk forum administration Title: Re: Request for permanent ban of user BayAreaCoins Post by: iGO_Tech on October 12, 2020, 09:22:28 AM Flags can be withdrawn but never beeing removed from Bitcointalk Flags can be removed:Quote 2020-10-09 Fri 09.51h source: loyce.club (http://loyce.club/trust/flags/403.html) 832. (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;flag=832) This Flag has been removed by the Bitcointalk forum administration 831. (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;flag=831) This Flag has been removed by the Bitcointalk forum administration 820. (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;flag=820) This Flag has been removed by the Bitcointalk forum administration 819. (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;flag=819) This Flag has been removed by the Bitcointalk forum administration 818. (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;flag=818) This Flag has been removed by the Bitcointalk forum administration Perfect, Indeed as I stated, for users it is not possible and in your picture it is removed by the forum administrator. Good! Title: In re #2312200 “Trade Runner” Post by: nullius on October 17, 2020, 02:02:18 AM This is a reference post for me to red-tag Trade Runner (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=2312200) for harassing people for legal trade activity on this forum.
I am not always quite a fan of BayAreaCoins—he is basically a Bay Area liberal, IMO ;-)—and I am not in philosophic agreement with U.S. Federal firearms laws, either. Whereas Trade Runner’s anti-gun crusade against BAC is reprehensible. Independent from a legal evaluation of the question, if it's legal to sell weapons and ammunition online to undefined destinations, especially in times of international terrorism, I'm of the opinion that the marketplace on Bitcointalk was not dedicated for selling such things. The opinion of a mentally retarded insapient To protect this forum and its members from further abuse and to deter the general public from such massive abuse I request for the permanent ban of user BayAreaCoins (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=137773)! Trust summary for Trade Runner Sent feedback
You are not the world-police. Your political opinions are not forum rules; and using negative trust feedback to attempt to enforce your political opinions on people who say it’s acceptable to conduct legal, honest, non-scam trade activities is an abuse of the trust system. Fuck off. I have not bothered to review any of the other accusations in this thread. At the threshold, I checked each of the linked firearms/ammunition sale threads, and found that BayAreaCoins always explicitly stated FFL-to-FFL shipping for guns, and FFL-to-FFL shipping for ammunition if local laws so required. That is 100% legal in the United States, where BayAreaCoins is located, and also where this forum is located for purposes of legal jurisdiction. I do not wish to suggest that this should be a requirement; I express no opinion either way, on that point. I merely note that in the case of BayAreaCoins, it is excruciatingly clear that he was advertising legal sales of weapons. Trade Runner’s accusations and smears about “international terrorism” are nothing more than dishonest Four Horsemen-style defamation not only of BayAreaCoins, but of the forum itself, as if the forum were hosting “darkweb”-style arms trafficking. That is NOT the case here. Weapon sales July 08, 2016 [SOLD] Two Thompson 1927A1 "pistols" (Tommy Guns) 10.5 in barrels 50rd drum (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1542677.msg15510578#msg15510578) (Wayback (https://web.archive.org/web/20201010051313/https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1542677.msg15510578)) Boldface is in the original: My FFL to your FFL only. ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_Firearms_License) October 06, 2017 [WTS] Two Smith and Wesson AR-15s - Free shipping to your FFL! (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2240811.msg22618702#msg22618702) (Wayback (https://web.archive.org/web/20201010054059/https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2240811.msg22618702%23msg22618702)) FFL to FFL. Please know your local laws. [...] Purchasing these guns with Bitcoins is super easy & I'll hold your hand the whole way... all I need is your FFL's information. If you need help finding a FFL, please let me know! November 04, 2017 [WTS] IWI Tavor X95 bullpup, Glocks, Sig Sauer, & S&W. Offers/Trades accepted (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2358643.msg24046376#msg24046376) (Wayback (https://web.archive.org/web/20201010054155/https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2358643.msg24046376%23msg24046376)) FFL to FFL shipping only. Please know your local laws. This gun is fucking awesome... I strongly suggest this rifle. March 15, 2018 [SOLD] 3000 rounds of 5.56 PMC X-TAC 62grain ammo. (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3132057.msg32392494#msg32392494) (Wayback (https://web.archive.org/web/20201010051313/https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1542677.msg15510578)) I would be interested in ordering a few boxes of rounds at least, but I'm wondering if ammunition needs to be shipped to an FFL? I'm quite far away from the nearest FFL or major store at all for that matter, so I would have to make accommodations if need be. I believe in your case it would need to be shipped to a FFL from the bit of research I've conducted. I can call a person in your state to verify for you if you'd like. January 07, 2019 [Firearms] Multiple rifles & pistols. AR-15's, Glock's, & other. Offers/Trade OK (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5094024.msg49093617#msg49093617) (Wayback (https://web.archive.org/web/20201010054229/https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5094024.msg49093617)) Free shipping! I'm open to trades & offers (legal only, but I like strange trades... but legal only) and altcoins. Feel free to chat on this threads... bumps are always appreciated :). Shipping to your local FFL from my FFL! I'm more than happy to help you find an FFL if you need. It is actually super easy to do all of this. Your FFL will likely charge you $25 to receive your new toy. These are not toys. All guns are tested, cleaned, and stored. These are not "brand new" due to being shot at least once (usually only once). Title: Re: Misleeding information in nullius' post. Post by: Timelord2067 on October 17, 2020, 02:18:46 AM Archive for future reference: [1a (https://archive.vn/aktTS#selection-5652.18-5652.21)], [1b (https://web.archive.org/web/20201017021924/https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5281132.msg55394985)]
This is a reference post for me to red-tag Trade Runner (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=2312200) for harassing people for legal trade activity on this forum. ... Trust summary for Trade Runner Sent feedback
Your post implies that both LoyceV and suchmoon have given Trade Runner negative trust feedback. This is not true. You have therefore faked information in your post. Title: Re: Misleading information in Timelord2067’s post. Post by: nullius on October 17, 2020, 02:27:43 AM Are you able to read the bold title which says in large letters, “Trust summary for Trade Runner”, and bold subtitle which says, “Sent feedback”? I directly quoted from Trade Runner’s trust page, with a link thereto.
Your post, its title, and its insinuations are defamatory of me. Your sabre-rattling about “for future reference” is ridiculous, in the sense of inviting ridicule of you. Also, you do not know how to spell “misleading”. I have tagged you accordingly. Subject: Re: Misleeding information in nullius' post. Archive for future reference: [1a (https://archive.vn/aktTS#selection-5652.18-5652.21)], [1b (https://web.archive.org/web/20201017021924/https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5281132.msg55394985)] This is a reference post for me to red-tag Trade Runner (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=2312200) for harassing people for legal trade activity on this forum. ... Trust summary for Trade Runner Sent feedback
Your post implies that both LoyceV and suchmoon have given Trade Runner negative trust feedback. This is not true. You have therefore faked information in your post. Title: Re: Misleeding information in nullius' post. Post by: Timelord2067 on October 17, 2020, 02:42:06 AM Are you able to read the bold title which says in large letters, “Trust summary for Trade Runner”, and bold subtitle which says, “Sent feedback”? I directly quoted from Trade Runner’s trust page, with a link thereto. Your post, its title, and its insinuations are defamatory of me. Your sabre-rattling about “for future reference” is ridiculous, in the sense of inviting ridicule of you. Also, you do not know how to spell “misleading”. I have tagged you accordingly. Where do I start: You trust feedback abuse of me: Quote Or, that you in turn can't read: Quote Next you will tell me I can't spell colour. ::) Title: Re: Timelord2067 is a liar Post by: suchmoon on October 17, 2020, 02:52:25 AM Your post implies that both LoyceV and suchmoon have given Trade Runner negative trust feedback. This is not true. You have therefore faked information in your post. No, it doesn't imply any such thing. It clearly says "Sent feedback". You have therefore lied, again. Title: Re: Misleeding information in nullius' post. Post by: Timelord2067 on October 17, 2020, 03:13:27 AM Your post implies that both LoyceV and suchmoon have given Trade Runner negative trust feedback. This is not true. You have therefore faked information in your post. No, it doesn't imply any such thing. It clearly says "Sent feedback". You have therefore lied, again. No. Being mistaken about something is not the same as lying about something. You've only jumped in here because of this: Quote Trust list for: BayAreaCoins (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=137773) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=137773) +13 / =0 / -1) (136 Merit earned (https://loyce.club/Merit/history/137773.html)) (Trust list (https://loyce.club/trust/2020-10-10_Sat_05.17h/137773.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/Profile?p=BayAreaCoins)) (created 2020-10-10_Sat_05.17h) Back to index (https://loyce.club/trust/) BayAreaCoins Distrusts these users' judgement: 4. NEW ~suchmoon (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=234771) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=234771) +13 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (35) 4668 Merit earned (https://loyce.club/Merit/history/234771.html)) (Trust list (https://loyce.club/trust/2020-10-10_Sat_05.17h/234771.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/Profile?p=suchmoon)) I've provided information to assist BAC - you in turn attack me?? Would that be a fair assessment? Title: Re: Timelord2067 is incompetent Post by: suchmoon on October 17, 2020, 03:52:41 AM No. Being mistaken about something is not the same as lying about something. It's unlikely to be a mistake because you incessantly post about the trust system so you must know how it works. But if you're willing to admit that you don't know shit about the trust system I'll concede and reclassify this incident from lying to gross incompetence. I've provided information to assist BAC - you in turn attack me?? Would that be a fair assessment? No, it wouldn't. Not everything revolves around you. Title: Re: In re #2312200 “Trade Runner” Post by: nullius on October 17, 2020, 04:29:02 PM LOL, nice (https://www.etymonline.com/word/nice) endorsement:
Trust summary for nullius Untrusted feedback These ratings are from people who are not in your trust network. They may be totally inaccurate.
Though it’s not “ha ha” funny, because it is more abuse of the trust system—a serious matter. I also do suggest that if you really want to go all-out here, go ahead and report all of my posts; but be advised, the moderators will not be amused. Even more serious is evidence that I have found in this thread that you are stalking BAC, and you are violating forum rules. You could be banned for that. Potentially dangerous wackos such as yourself are one of the principal reasons why I stay behind Tor: You wouldn’t even know where in the world to begin cyberstalking me, or in what jurisdiction to annoy the cops with false reports about my completely legal activities. “TL;DR” (dear me, how I loathe that term):
If all applicable laws are duly applied, there is no difference between the sale of a gun (even a so-called “assault rifle”) and the sale of a collectible coin. Weapons are not some icky, ritually unclean substance. Idiots who faint in self-righteous horror at the idea that somebody may be selling guns need to get their heads checked. But as I have already mentioned, there are several points to consider from a legal point of view. In particular, a crypto platform is not intended for weapons deals. But as I have already mentioned, that is your personal opinion. Your opinion (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5226757.msg53978163#post_wolf_conservation) is unimportant to anybody who is at least minimally intelligent, or even sane. Also, your opinion is wrong—yes, opinions can be wrong. What you are doing is an attempt to impose financial censorship. Whereas Bitcoin by design avoids financial censorship! What you really want is Paypal: PayPal Acceptable Use Policy Last Update: March 19, 2020 Prohibited Activities You may not use the PayPal service for activities that: [...] 2. relate to transactions involving (a) narcotics, steroids, certain controlled substances or other products that present a risk to consumer safety, (b) drug paraphernalia, (c) cigarettes, (d) items that encourage, promote, facilitate or instruct others to engage in illegal activity, (e) stolen goods including digital and virtual goods, (f) the promotion of hate, violence, racial or other forms of intolerance that is discriminatory or the financial exploitation of a crime, (g) items that are considered obscene, (h) items that infringe or violate any copyright, trademark, right of publicity or privacy or any other proprietary right under the laws of any jurisdiction, (i) certain sexually oriented materials or services, (j) ammunition, firearms, or certain firearm parts or accessories, or (k) certain weapons or knives regulated under applicable law. [...] Activities Requiring Approval PayPal requires pre-approval to accept payments for certain services as detailed in the chart below.
[...] I have thereby highlighted just a few activities that are legal in many jurisdictions, but are prohibited or restricted by Paypal. The way this works:
Oh, no—actually, that is not how Bitcoin works; and I don’t think I am going out on a limb here by positing that that would be unacceptable to both the forum community, and the forum’s administration. For my part, if I find someone demanding that this forum impose Paypal-style restrictions on trades that are legal in the jurisdiction where the forum is located, then you may expect for me to come down on that like a ton of bricks. (And oh, goddamnit, why does this mentally defective eunuch’s hoplophobia make me feel (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5226757.msg53905122#post_nullius_photograph) like defending Americans (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3060638.0)!? —Cheers on your First and Second Amendments, though you really need to enforce them better.) He sold new assault rifles with a thousand rounds of ammunition and was undoubtedly in a position to facilitate international terrorism. Note in this context his “discount” of 10 % for all Muslims: 10% off for all our muslim friends in the USA Even his additional alibi statement “as you pink promise you won't use them to exterminate Christians someday” offers no certainty that he would not supply assault rifles to Islamists planning their next terror act. Cherry-picked misquote and defamatory false statement. Although I myself am none too fond of BAC’s liberal virtue-signalling, when you insinuate that he supports terrorism covered by an “alibi statement”, you are flat-out lying. Moreover, it sounds like you are triggered by the mere mention of Muslims. According to your worldview, are all Muslims terrorists? Here is the context that you dishonestly omitted, which shows that BayAreaCoins was suggesting that Muslims could use firearms to prevent terrorist acts: 10% off for all our muslim friends in the USA (as long as you pink promise you won't use them to exterminate Christians someday). We don't play that New Zealand shit here regardless of what building you go to on whatever day of the week. I strongly recommend the Kimber as a solid ass church gun. It's compact, fits a large hand and will fucking fuck something up. No way that New Zealand trash could EVER happen in my area of the country in the USA. More good guys need guns... step right up, it's easy to buy here. The post immediately following that: Bracketed text added by me; all else is quoted as in the original: Heres a link to the New Zealand shooting: https://www.dropbox.com/s/7o9w2a8tzle7s1d/%5BDOWNLOAD%20AND%20REUPLOAD%20ME%5D.mp4?dl=0 (https://www.dropbox.com/s/7o9w2a8tzle7s1d/%5BDOWNLOAD%20AND%20REUPLOAD%20ME%5D.mp4?dl=0) [dead link, as noted in subsequent post] "They" don't want you to see it because this could have been "easily" prevented with that 1911 [pistol, a gun that is popular in the U.S. for lawful concealed carry]. (Videos fucked up, but you should understand what someone does in a fucked up moment if you want to be the one to straighten them out.) Freedom of speech please, thanks. Regardless of anyone’s political opinions, your allegation that BayAreaCoins was supporting or “facilitating” terrorism presents a question of fact; and as to fact, it is a false and defamatory accusation. Some more significant points from the above quote: He sold new assault rifles with a thousand rounds of ammunition and was undoubtedly in a position to facilitate international terrorism.
The phrase “from FFL to FFL” most likely means “from authorized weapon dealer to authorized weapon dealer”. You ignorant doofus! That is exactly what it means, not “most likely”. As I quoted above, one of BayAreaCoins’ weapons sale ads even linked to the Wikipedia page explaining what a Federal Firearms License is. Do you need for somebody to draw you a map? Boldface is in the original: My FFL to your FFL only. ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_Firearms_License) FFLs are licensed by the United States Federal government. They are strictly regulated, and they (usually? always?) dox all parties to all transactions involving firearms. Transfers through FFLs are NOT anonymous; and the FFLs’ records are available for inspection to the Federal police agency that polices firearms, the BATF. By sending all transfers of firearms through FFLs, BayAreaCoins is clearly following American laws. N.b. that in many circumstances, in most places within the United States, direct private transfers of guns between individuals with no licences are legal; and there is nothing wrong with that. I am just mentioning it—but it’s irrelevant; that is not what BAC is doing here. Anyway, since the weapon deals here are running in a legally completely unregulated way, the next point is that the regularly offered deals here are running in a commercial style, as I said before, especially since the seller did not just “occasionally” sell an used 7.65 PPK. For these commercial activities he needs a FFL himself, which he doesn't have: I do not have and am not required to have an FFL. For all your efforts, you dredged up 5 sale threads within 4 years. I am not a firearms law attorney in BayAreaCoins’ jurisdiction, and I cannot provide BayAreaCoins with legal guidance; but from a forum perspective, that really sounds like “just ‘occasionally’” to me—nowhere even remotely near professional or commercial firearms sales. Although I don’t know BAC, my impression from these forum threads is that he looks like a firearms enthusiast who occasionally buys, sells, and trades from and for his personal collection. That is neither illegal nor unusual in the United States. (As aforesaid, this sounds like baiting BayAreaCoins to express publicly a legal position involving questions that he should discuss only with his attorney.) Even if both parties agree to speak publicly from “FFL to FFL”, this cannot be controlled in any way, especially since the reported user BayAreaCoins himself says that this is only “strongly preferred”, but not essential: FFL to FFL is strongly preferred. Again, it sounds like you are trying to bait BayAreaCoins to express publicly a legal position. IIUC, FFL-to-FFL transfers are only legally required for transfers of firearms between residents of different U.S. states—look up “Federalism”—or intrastate, in certain states that have laws requiring that in some circumstances. Direct transfers of firearms between residents of the same state are legal in most circumstances (but not always/everywhere, depending on state law). It sounds like somebody from (or purporting to be from) the same state was requesting what, on its face, would be a perfectly legal transfer. BayAreaCoins replied that he “strongly preferred” to transfer through an FFL. If anything, it shows that he is quite scrupulous about the legality of firearms transfers: He “strongly prefers” transfers via FFL, even if it not technically required by law. (Some American gun owners have told me that they exclusively transfer via FFL, just to avoid these kinds of false accusations...) A gun sales portal, with which this crypto forum was compared here, would most likely ensure that the members would get fully verified if it were a reputable portal. Here at Bitcointalk, all members are anonymous. It sounds like what you really want is this: To prevent scams, spam, alt accounts, and similar abuse, and to promote an environment of trust, all forum users must now submit know-your-customer (KYC) identity info to the forum here (https://bitcointalk.org/kyc.php). As we all know, Bitcoin was built on the principle of "if you have nothing to hide, what's there to fear?", which is why the block chain is a public ledger. And Satoshi even famously said, "sacrificing a little liberty for increased security is the foundation of blockchain technology." Oops: April fools! Eh... So, you want my dox? “...from my cold, dead fingers.” I do note, however, that as aforesaid, FFL-to-FFL transfers of firearms are doxed by the FFLs. BayAreaCoins is NOT advertising the anonymous sale of firearms. And since this whole mob of toxic users has not been taught the necessary legal knowledge, not to mention respect and decency, I will now teach each of them these missing skills! I'll be back! Dare not you to speak of “respect and decency”, you who have neither. You are an ignoramus with a chip on your shoulder—a mammothrept throwing a tantrum, nothing more; and your use of the word “mob” is ironic, whereas you are a stereotypical product (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2940686.msg31084730#msg31084730) of ocholocracy (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5208356.msg55391875#msg55391875), which I despise (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5219640.0). You’ll fuck off. That’s what you’ll do. Edit: Fixed one substantive typographical error. Edit again: Added a paragraph more explicitly focusing on the question of fact, to depoliticize the discussion of Muslims. Title: Re: In re #2312200 “Trade Runner” Post by: LoyceV on October 17, 2020, 05:52:47 PM ~snip~ That was a good read :) Where do you find the time and energy for this?I would have gone for this: https://memegenerator.net/img/instances/65571997/mommy-someone-on-the-internet-offended-me.jpg (source (https://memegenerator.net/instance/65571997/crying-baby-mommy-someone-on-the-internet-offended-me)) This is the impression I get when I read Trade Runner's Sent feedback (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=2312200). If you can't handle people who hurt your feelings, maybe the internet isn't for you. Title: Re: In re #2312200 “Trade Runner” Post by: nullius on October 17, 2020, 06:51:31 PM ~snip~ That was a good read :) Where do you find the time and energy for this?Thanks. I spent the requisite time and energy, because this is about more than BayAreaCoins: It is about freedom, and it is a matter of principle. I would have gone for this: https://memegenerator.net/img/instances/65571997/mommy-someone-on-the-internet-offended-me.jpg (source (https://memegenerator.net/instance/65571997/crying-baby-mommy-someone-on-the-internet-offended-me)) This is the impression I get when I read Trade Runner's Sent feedback (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=2312200). If you can't handle people who hurt your feelings, maybe the internet isn't for you. I found this discussion through Trade Runner’s sent feedback—which, in turn, I found by happenstance through your flags support thread (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5153445.msg55392861#msg55392861). My immediate impression was of somebody swooning, “Oh my god, somebody is selling (gasp! gulp!) guns on the Internet! With... Bitcoin! STOP IT! STOP IT!” It is all too oft how modern tyrannies start. A few unhinged obsessives push, and push—until they get a pitchfork-wielding mob demanding Paypalish restrictions. What if nobody (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=178336.msg55212283#msg55212283) pushes back? https://i.imgur.com/5IelpvM.jpg (https://archive.org/stream/dictionaryoflati00robeuoft#page/739/mode/1up) Title: Re: Request for permanent ban of user BayAreaCoins Post by: nutildah on October 17, 2020, 09:46:14 PM Onlookers here can only conclude that the dealer offering these military weapons on a crypto forum must have mental health problems, as must all his supporters here. He's not the only one. There's a lot of people here that have mental health problems. However, that's not grounds for banning. You don't seem to understand the political nature of the forum: it follows a very laissez-faire and basic implementation of Libertarianism, which basically says that anything goes (so long as laws aren't being broken, and even then really only U.S. laws are of concern). I'm by no means a BAC "supporter" but I know that digging through his posts looking for items to attack his character with will not yield anything fruitful. Evaluated together with the documented continuous cyber harassment by the dealer, this was a clear case that had to be reported to the above mentioned authorities. OK so you reported him to the "authorities" already. No need to keep bringing it up every day. Your obsession with BAC isn't healthy... you should stick to harassing actual scammers on the forum, of which there are plenty. Don't become that guy who lost his mind over an unwinnable battle. I've seen it happen quite a few times here already. Nobody likes that person, and there's simply better ways to expend your energy. Title: Re: Request for permanent ban of user BayAreaCoins Post by: nutildah on October 17, 2020, 10:20:46 PM I really appreciate your opinion, but the continuous cyber harassment by this member together with the abuse of this forum for military weapon deals is enough for a permanent ban. Is he really harassing you, or is he only harassing you because you are harassing him? Regardless, that's not how the forum works, and the rules say nothing about getting banned for weapons sales. So, you're simply wrong here. Alternatively, the entire forum has to be closed. No, it doesn't. Nobody is going to buckle to your demands, sorry. You're on your own here. Title: Re: In re #2312200 “Trade Runner” Post by: nullius on October 17, 2020, 10:46:17 PM Alternatively, the entire forum has to be closed. Well, I'm sure the worldwide authorities and especially the .org TLD registry (https://thenew.org/org-people/about-pir/policies/org-idn-policies/anti-abuse-policy-org-idn/) will be interested about ongoing unregulated weapon deals here on Bitcointalk what is normally stuff for the darknet. This was not a warning. This was an announcement. I'll be back! I just put aside what I was writing. I need to go make popcorn. skills are too limited to make a proper legal assessment of the case limited abilities as a hobby lawyer! must have mental health problems P.S., when you someday get yourself arrested for stalking, harassment, and/or filing false reports with the police, or when your characteristic honesty about others gets you sued for defamation, I strongly advise that you hire a competent attorney to defend you. Because you haven’t even the slightest idea about how even to read a statute within its four corners, let alone how to navigate the complexities of the law. Also, by the way, actual lawyers hate Wikipedia legal arguments; be guided accordingly. Title: Re: In re #2312200 “Trade Runner” Post by: nullius on October 17, 2020, 11:44:00 PM This one’s for you, Trade Runner. Go get ’em!
...declared war on the forum itself! ... https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/73/Don_Quixote_fighting_windmills.jpg/905px-Don_Quixote_fighting_windmills.jpg Title: Re: Request for permanent ban of user BayAreaCoins Post by: allahabadi on October 18, 2020, 02:38:56 AM This is the first time I'm seeing guns on the forum; let me see... That's an AUG, M416, M16A4 in that order from top to bottom. Am I Correct? :D
As we can see nullius thinks that Bitcointalk would be a windmill. He also thinks that you are Don Quixote.Quote Well, to evaluate it legally: Bitcointalk is nothing! It's a forum of an actual anonymous domain holder for anonymous members, missing any legally responsible imprint, registered at namecheap.com. Bingo! No need to disagree on that. Quote But - of cooooourse compleeeeetely legally - military weapon deals are taking place here. Okay, we got his argumentation! Nobody out there takes care of the continuous troll postings here. Dear Sir, only the courts decide if anything is completely legal. We can only infer from past judgments and form opinions. :)Quote BTW, the domain owner, most likely the valued member theymos (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=35), is now also target of the investigations! Won't be the first and won't be the last.P.S. In my personal opinion I'm against easy licensing of weapons and so, but that's not the issue at hand. Title: Re: Request for permanent ban of user BayAreaCoins Post by: suchmoon on October 18, 2020, 02:45:38 AM This is one of the longest tantrums this forum has ever seen. How many times has Trade Runner already quite and/or complained to the authorities?
And still zero followers on Twitter, which is quite an amazing feat in its own right. How could he possibly not have even a single friend or a family member who doesn't think he's a nutjob. Title: Re: In re #2312200 “Trade Runner” Post by: nullius on October 18, 2020, 02:47:03 AM For the record, Trade Runner has issued negative trust feedback to Foxpup for having having sent me merit on this thread.
Trust summary for Trade Runner Sent feedback
The feedback is similar to what Trade Runner sent LoyceV (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5281132.msg55394960#msg55394960) for having sent merit to BayAreaCoins. Protip: If you are so dead wrong that you manage to get me, suchmoon, nutildah, Timelord, Foxpup, Loyce, BayAreaCoins, and others all on approximately the same side, it is a spectacular achievment—in the sense of “making a spectacle of yourself”. A Curious Omission Trade Runner, while you are busy getting the forum deplatformed, why don’t you issue negative trust feedback to theymos (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=35)? I know that if I sincerely believed that this forum was being run as a criminal terrorist darkweb site, I would have the balls to tag theymos. Indeed, in that case, I would even flag him: Supporting heinous criminal activity and international terrorist arms trafficking is a “concrete red flag” for a “high risk of losing money”. Are you a hypocrite, or a coward, or both? I wish that Lauda were more active lately. She would know how to save the forum from this existential threat. :-( Title: Re: In re #2312200 “Trade Runner” Post by: allahabadi on October 18, 2020, 03:00:51 AM ~ I'm assuming that the user has me on ignore... Just if someone cud ask him/her/it not to jump to conclusions... Doesn't really behove of someone who is on DT... ::) Title: Re: In re #2312200 “Trade Runner” Post by: nullius on October 18, 2020, 03:09:48 AM ~ I'm assuming that the user has me on ignore... Just if someone cud ask him/her/it not to jump to conclusions... Doesn't really behove of someone who is on DT... ::) No, I do not have you on ignore. I misread skimming down on the preview page while my post was repeatedly pre-empted, and I was also trying to do something else. I make mistakes, too, for which in this case I duly apologize—much though I dislike you, what I said was in error. Before you posted (check timestamps), I deleted what I had written, and sent you a merit for evidence of an ability to read that seems rare around here: As we can see nullius thinks that Bitcointalk would be a windmill. He also thinks that you are Don Quixote.Am I on DT again? I haven’t been watching that. Title: Re: In re #2312200 “Trade Runner” Post by: suchmoon on October 18, 2020, 03:34:17 AM I'm assuming that the user has me on ignore... Just if someone cud ask him/her/it not to jump to conclusions... Doesn't really behove of someone who is on DT... ::) Don't look at me LOL, I have him on ignore, saving the scroll wheel on my mouse. He's not in DT though. Title: Re: Request for permanent ban of user BayAreaCoins Post by: Foxpup on October 18, 2020, 05:43:07 AM Thanks for dragging me into this, since as an Australian, I must be staunchly against gun rights, and will therefore rush to your defence and explain that I only merited nullius because he articulated his point well even though I don't personally agree with it. Wrong! I'm pro-gun, and shoot occasionally myself, so I know something about it.
“Machine gun” means a weapon of any description by whatever name known, loaded or unloaded, from which more than five (5) shots or bullets may be rapidly, or automatically, or semi-automatically, discharged from a magazine, by a single function of the firing device Bolded the relevant part of the definition. Since you clearly know nothing about firearms, I'll translate it for you. "Firing device" means the trigger, and "single function" means you press said trigger only once. Thus a machine gun is a gun which fires many bullets just be holding down the trigger, which corresponds to the layman's definition of a machine gun. (The military definition is a bit stricter, and adds the requirement that it be a "crew-served weapon" - at the very least you need an extra man to carry the tens of thousands of rounds of ammo needed to keep it firing continuously for more than a few minutes. Although military-issue rifles are capable of fully-automatic fire and thus are legally considered "machine guns" for purposes of civilian ownership, soldiers don't (and can't) carry enough ammo to usefully employ their rifle as a machine gun. Your idea that a thousand rounds of ammunition is excessive, which is already dubious, is an outright joke in the context of machine guns.)Possession or use of a machine gun for offensive or aggressive purpose is declared to be a crime punishable by imprisonment in the state penitentiary for a term of not less than ten (10) years. But possession or use of a machine gun for sporting purposes ("sporting" merely being an archaic word for "fun") is A-OK. No, really, it is: while machine guns are subject to greater restrictions than other firearms, they're not actually illegal to own in the US.Now we come to the nice weapon deals BayAreaCoins is offering here. Which, of course, renders the above discussion completely moot, because none of those are machine guns. Those are all semi-automatic firearms (two pistols and three rifles) requiring a separate trigger pull for each shot.As one can see all the guns are kept loaded (which is not good for the magazine springs, by the way): Leaving aside the fact that in one of those pictures, two of the rifles don't even have magazines, those pictures say nothing about how those firearms are stored long-term when not in use. Briefly loading a firearm for purpose of taking a picture of it in loaded condition or even (gasp!) shooting it does not harm the magazines. (Even when a firearm needs to be stored fully loaded for defensive purposes, the magazines can be rotated regularly to mitigate spring fatigue.)In conclusion, you clearly know nothing about guns or the laws regulating gun sales, and are therefore not entitled to an opinion on such matters until you educate yourself. (Your abuse of the trust system also indicates you have other issues, but that's another topic.) Title: Re: In re #2312200 “Trade Runner” Post by: nullius on October 18, 2020, 05:59:26 AM Since you clearly know nothing about firearms, I'll translate it for you. "Firing device" means the trigger, and "single function" means you press said trigger only once. Thus a machine gun is a gun which fires many bullets just be holding down the trigger, which corresponds to the layman's definition of a machine gun. [...] But possession or use of a machine gun for sporting purposes ("sporting" merely being an archaic word for "fun") is A-OK. No, really, it is: while machine guns are subject to greater restrictions than other firearms, they're not actually illegal to own in the US. [...] Now we come to the nice weapon deals BayAreaCoins is offering here. Which, of course, renders the above discussion completely moot, because none of those are machine guns. Those are all semi-automatic firearms (two pistols and three rifles) requiring a separate trigger pull for each shot.As one can see all the guns are kept loaded (which is not good for the magazine springs, by the way): Leaving aside the fact that in one of those pictures, two of the rifles don't even have magazines, those pictures say nothing about how those firearms are stored long-term when not in use. Briefly loading a firearm for purpose of taking a picture of it in loaded condition or even (gasp!) shooting it does not harm the magazines. (Even when a firearm needs to be stored fully loaded for defensive purposes, the magazines can be rotated regularly to mitigate spring fatigue.)Thanks for taking the time to fill in for Mr Runner most of the salutary lesson that I stopped writing when I suddenly I just put aside what I was writing. I need to go make popcorn. Title: Re: In re #2312200 “Trade Runner” Post by: nullius on October 18, 2020, 08:49:46 AM So, how was lunch with Sarah Brady?
I am pretty sure that in your fantasy, you can turn a water pistol into a machine gun by accessorizing it with enough real or imaginary high-capacity magazines, bump stocks, trigger cranks, flash suppressors, bayonet lugs, and I guess—um, pistol grips. (And given the buzzword learning curve shown by your posts, either you have spent all day trying to read up on guns, or you are getting propaganda protips.) Furthermore, according to the legal text, an offensive or aggressive purpose is given if loaded magazines are “in the immediate vicinity of the machine gun”. So, your legal interpretation is that a machine gun has an “offensive or aggressive purpose” unless it is kept unloaded at all times. Eh. Irrelevant to non-machine-guns. Anyway, for once, excessive talk about guns is actually boring me. More fascinating: When will the forum be shut down? And when will you properly warn forum users (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=35) that theymos is running a “#scam #terrorism [...] marketplace for weapon dealers, fraudsters and cyberstalkers!”? Surely, you want to inform innocent people so that they can come clean and get out before the police swoop in at your behest! P.S., your Firefox needs updating. HTH, HAND. Title: Re: Request for permanent ban of user BayAreaCoins Post by: Foxpup on October 18, 2020, 08:55:11 AM I just want to let you know that I'd be too bored to shoot with single-shot rifles. But as soon as you had a real machine gun in your hand, let us know! This may come as a surprise to you, but a wide variety of repeating firearms that are not fully automatic, and that require a separate trigger pull for each shot, exist.suitable for rapid fire What exactly constitutes "rapid fire"? By most definitions I've heard, I've rapid-fired a bolt-action rifle (it's all in the wrist).prepared semi-automatic weapons are considered as machineguns as well Licensed firearms dealers do not deal in illegally modified firearms. If you believe BayAreaCoins is doing so, you should contact the relevant authorities.And even if BayAreaCoins got the civilian version of the IWI Tavor X95, he will of course need a 1000 cartridges package, because he will only use it in single shot mode. Yeeeeey! It is the civilian version: the model number on the stock is visible in the picture. And I don't rightly understand what your problem is with the 1000 round case of ammo; I can only assume you've never actually fired a gun before and haven't the faintest idea how quickly you can burn through hundreds or even thousands of rounds during target practice even with a single-shot rifle.And nobody wants to tell me that BayAreaCoins loaded his drums with 400 rounds only for taking pictures. Again, if you believe anything illegal is taking place, contact the authorities.Title: Re: In re #2312200 “Trade Runner” Post by: LoyceV on October 18, 2020, 09:12:02 AM Trade Runner, while you are busy getting the forum deplatformed, why don’t you issue negative trust feedback to theymos (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=35)? You don't need balls to tag theymos, I'm pretty sure he won't censor it, and he won't ban you for it. Several users have left him negative feedback already. Theymos believes in freedom of expression, and acts that way too.I know that if I sincerely believed that this forum was being run as a criminal terrorist darkweb site, I would have the balls to tag theymos. Am I on DT again? I haven’t been watching that. Nope (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=2312200;dt).I made you this for future reference: loyce.club/Is...StillOnDT/nullius.html (https://loyce.club/Is...StillOnDT/nullius.html). Title: Re: In re #2312200 “Trade Runner” Post by: nullius on October 18, 2020, 09:32:51 AM I just want to let you know that I'd be too bored to shoot with single-shot rifles. But as soon as you had a real machine gun in your hand, let us know! This may come as a surprise to you, but a wide variety of repeating firearms that are not fully automatic, and that require a separate trigger pull for each shot, exist.Correct me if I’m mistaken, but isn’t that something like approximately exactly just about all semiautomatic firearms manufactured for the U.S. civilian market? suitable for rapid fire What exactly constitutes "rapid fire"? By most definitions I've heard, I've rapid-fired a bolt-action rifle (it's all in the wrist).The definition is evidently, “sounds scary”. Like an assault machine rifle gun with an imaginary bump stock. And I don't rightly understand what your problem is with the 1000 round case of ammo; I can only assume you've never actually fired a gun before and haven't the faintest idea how quickly you can burn through hundreds or even thousands of rounds during target practice even with a single-shot rifle. The problem: He is spouting anti-gunner talking points disconnected from reality, and you are trying to educate him. How inconvenient. You don't need balls to tag theymos, I'm pretty sure he won't censor it, and he won't ban you for it. Several users have left him negative feedback already. Theymos believes in freedom of expression, and acts that way too. Oh, I know that. It just seems like the next logical stage in a quixotic public meltdown, after the grand declarations (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5281132.msg55400154#msg55400154) about “the entire forum has to be closed” and “the worldwide authorities”, etc., etc. And what with the thousand-round ammo case of red paintballs that Trade Runner has been shooting, it would be downright insulting to theymos to leave him out. Am I on DT again? I haven’t been watching that. Nope (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=2312200;dt).I made you this for future reference: loyce.club/Is...StillOnDT/nullius.html (https://loyce.club/Is...StillOnDT/nullius.html). Thanks! Title: Re: Request for permanent ban of user BayAreaCoins Post by: Foxpup on October 18, 2020, 10:40:34 AM For those with limited experience with firearms: Bump stocks you get even out of the 3D printer. And anyone with a metal lathe can make a Sten submachine gun. What's your point?None of you have ever held an ammunition belt in his hands! No, but I have held a case of 12-gauge shotgun shells, which is equally relevant to the discussion of magazine-fed rifles. ::)By the way, please don't bother the FBI, the Arkansas State Police, the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives, the U.S. Securities and Exchange Commission, the .org TLD Registry, Cloudflare and Namecheap too much with your OT bullshit! Good advice. The last time I called a law enforcement agency to tell them nothing illegal was happening, they told me to quit wasting their time. You'd think they'd be grateful that all their hard work is paying off, but apparently not. :(Title: Re: Request for permanent ban of user BayAreaCoins Post by: BayAreaCoins on October 18, 2020, 04:35:12 PM For those with limited experience with firearms: Bump stocks you get even out of the 3D printer. And anyone with a metal lathe can make a Sten submachine gun. What's your point?https://i.imgur.com/ApmaQiI.jpg :o (sold a long time ago, I can't remember to whom... shucks) Title: Re: Request for permanent ban of user BayAreaCoins Post by: suchmoon on October 18, 2020, 04:39:18 PM (sold a long time ago, I can't remember to whom... shucks) Better pray the person wasn't a Muslim because Tear Runner here will report you to the United Nations. Title: Re: Request for permanent ban of user BayAreaCoins Post by: BayAreaCoins on October 18, 2020, 05:07:34 PM (sold a long time ago, I can't remember to whom... shucks) Better pray the person wasn't a Muslim because Tear Runner here will report you to the United Nations. Haha nah! He was just some really nice gambler... seemed like he had a real chip on his shoulder about country music though... LOL jk jk :P Not funny, sorry! Title: Re: Request for permanent ban of user BayAreaCoins Post by: eddie13 on October 18, 2020, 06:53:55 PM Thank you for publicly exercising your constitutional rights and the freedoms of this forum for all to see BAC!
The entertainment it provides from those butthurt (jealous and/or authoritarian) is priceless :) Satoshi would be proud IMO.. You offering any signature deals by chance BAC? Title: Re: Request for permanent ban of user BayAreaCoins Post by: BayAreaCoins on October 19, 2020, 02:33:41 AM This user is currently ignored. https://media0.giphy.com/media/3oz8xLd9DJq2l2VFtu/giphy.gif Now, delete your account and move on to your next sockpuppet extortionist "scam buster" account! Title: Re: Request for permanent ban of user BayAreaCoins Post by: BayAreaCoins on October 19, 2020, 02:36:49 AM Thank you for publicly exercising your constitutional rights and the freedoms of this forum for all to see BAC! The entertainment it provides from those butthurt (jealous and/or authoritarian) is priceless :) Satoshi would be proud IMO.. You offering any signature deals by chance BAC? Thank you very much <3 No signature deals at the moment, but I'm hoping that we are running a FreeBitcoins.com (http://FreeBitcoins.com) campaign for our new Altcoin exchange before December.... Keep an eye out for us! |
