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Hey guys, I just want to share my thoughts today about this, I have always said "bounty hunters are not the ones killing projects", but now I'm having second thoughts about it, I participated in youengine bounty campaign for about a week, although it lasted for quite a while,the bounty had about 4 rounds, the bounty ended about a week ago i guess and distribution of  "youcash" started, I received about 307 youcash tokens as shown below


By 8am this morning the 307 tokens was worth $10+, i didn't sell, I held on to it, to my greatest surprise this evening I checked my wallet and I saw that the 307 tokens are now worth just 0.35$


Although it recovered later, but it's not looking good at all, I guess this dump is caused by the bounty hunters because they just keep dumping the token, what about you, what do you think is the cause of this massive dump?

It is no surprise that dumping comes often when the project was just recently launched. And dump is being done by almost everyone who have bought the project, who made the project, who participated with the project. It's a combination of all those people who holds the token. But mostly, it's caused by the whales who are holding those tokens. This is becoming the norm for the newly launched projects, you become late to sell it then you'll miss the higher price that you should about to sell it. Also, check how much is the percentage of tokens from the total supply of the project is allocated to that bounty to think that the dump is caused by bounty hunters.

Just like he said, the dump doesn't entirely come from the hunters. It also comes as a result of the trading frequency on the exchange sites. And this tokens may later turn out be successful or lost as a whole.

In some cases the bounty hunters are a reason for the coin dump but there are a lot of projects that maintain their price even after bounty distribution and some tokens fall even if there is no bounty campaign.
Bounty hunters do care for the project and do not sell their tokens soon because some bounty campaigns take a long time and if the tokens are worth 10$ for example then thats a loss because of the work bounty hunters invest in these compaigns.

I think this happens because the volume of the coin (YOUC) is not high and still low (unstable), so it makes the price go up and down very quickly, but I believe if the project has good products and ideas then the price and trading volume of the coin it will definitely increase, so my advice is that you better hold it until the volume of the coin becomes high (stable) and the price will definitely increase too.

No your perception is wrong bounty hunters worked on that project to it's success and it's their prerogative to sell dump or hodl their stakes and it should not be questioned, fact number one bounty hunters gets a small portion of the entire supply of the token 2% the lowest and 10% the highest, not only hunters can and will dump it other early investors who already realized their profit also can dump.
Second if the project has potential in the market and they have a good platform it will have no problem recovering from the dump.

It is true that grace hunters really kill projects as they bring different tokens and currency to the market because investors are showing high prices but when the bounty ends their value goes down a lot in that case dumping the tokens will hurt the investors a lot so it should not be kept too long. Teams can't manage their projects properly lack of adequate knowledge lowers the value of tokens and makes recovery much more difficult.

We must not unilaterally argue that bounty hunters are the cause of a significant drop in prices, have you never seen the occurrence of several projects before that the Emirex project which has a value of 0.46 dollars, before the bounty hunter token was opened and first when the token for investors was opened The decline occurred even a decline of almost 50%, and this is busy talking about in altcoin discussions, so it is not surprising if we see some projects that have experienced massive price drops in all markets, even though the market price has improved but their needs we do not know, and no there is a compulsion for them to hold or throw it away ..

Presalers and bounties can all turn against you when the odd is in their favour mate. Even great projects suffers dumps, i think the most important thing is how it survives after the dumps There are projects that start from like 1 to 100s So I think if they have great concepts they will survive it

I do not agree that bounty hunters are the one killing the project, they do dump but the development and promotion of the project lies very much on the hands of the developers, they are the one who can make the project attractive to investors and they are the one who promised to develop a platform, that is why investors come and invest on their project.

If the token is not that much worthy then why they allocated such huge part as bounty rewards, project need to have enough liquidity or else it is going to hit the deep down when bounty rewards send to participants. If project don't want the dump then they can pay in Bitcoin and let their competitor like bitcoin to dump. ;D

Unfortunately for you, just like many previous projects have appeared. I also saw the YOUC but I didn't appreciate it, since it had too much of a token distribution to the hunter and they left it at a high value. But with this project, the buyers and sellers are mostly bounty hunters and there will be no investors here. That was the end of a pointless project.

It was your choice to hold for long term buddy, you can't blame anyone for not holding. They work for good 4 month, they were paid for their hard work, you can't tell anyone to hold or not.
Looking at the volume, YOUC volume was so low, you should have seen the dump coming, the price was good the volume wasn't great enough to handle those token they share to hunters. When order book is small( no buyers in this case), market order can do huge damage to any market.
While the market is still friendly, sell and move on. There are better opportunities out there.

This kind of thing is mostly experienced by bounty hunters, where they have to work 5-6 weeks with minimal income, sometimes also ending up with bounty scams without token payment.

There was also one year of work with a yield of only $ 20, this is often the case with bounty hunters.
OP, you can save the Youcash tokens that you get from the bounty, which knows that in the next 1-2 years the price could be higher than now, if their team and company really care about the YouCash token penetrating the market, That's what you can do.

You are saying then that the cause of the massive drop of the token you got is the bounty hunters?
See the total allocation that is being given to the bounty hunters first.

Bounty hunters are one of the causes of the token to drop yes but the main reason of the drop is the team itself too. As they listed the token in the exchange, the team/devs and the exchange owners themselves immediately selling the token so that they can get profit. Bounty hunters may able to sell their token but at a lower price already. I know this because I tried to sell my bounty tokens that I got too 2 years ago. I sold them but at a much lower price already but still that is 100% profit.

If Youengine has cause to exist and has utility and the project will survive the dumps, I think it will still go up. So you have two choices, you can either wait for the price to go up or you can dump for your $0.35. The project didn't die yet so it's up to what you believe about the project. But what would you do to that $0.35? lol

Bounty hunters dump, they do it all the time even to the most successful project.

Your share is very close to the reality of bounty, right from the start to learn about and contribute your work to projects with bounty. I see a lot of unexpected projects, this one i see is similar.

Basically when i see the project, i see everything is quite clear, maybe their bounty is just for introduction and attraction, as you say in the crypto space, there are many projects that have developed. long to be successful.

The success of the project in a long term is in the hands of the developers, the market just react on how a project is being developed if I see a project with good development and platform I will have second thought of selling my share, why should I when in two or three years the coin/token could be worth ten times of the current price.

well, I really agree with what you said because as long as the developer has a good plan and can make the token that is owned can be used for many platforms it will still give a good price, but when there is no support from the developer, the price of the token on the exchange will collapse And that's not the fault of the bounty hunters.

The team should have make volumes and liquidity available for the project, why did they list on coinbene and p2pb2b exchange? What do you expect? If you think the project use case is good then hold, I can see that the team are planning to list on bigger exchange soon.

I do agree with your statement. If you are seeing the market since last week and then the early receivers have sold their tokens at the decent price. That means they got more than what has gotten by people who received their token this day.
The distribution is still happening and there will be so many big holders from the participants that can make the market will be even worst than this time.
The volume is always become the main problem and it's not about the hunters.

OP I suggest you sell your tokens, this YouEngine has few thousands of dollars as 24hours trading per day, that's big sign that people aren't buying, this is so bad and the price will dump more, the distribution is just getting started, those who received now are those with very few You cash tokens on spreadsheet, things will go bad if those with 12,000 Ycash to 300,000Ycash start dumping

Youengine team did a big mistake by giving out too many tokens for bounty allocation, I doubt this token will survive the dump once the full distribution commence, just because the max supply of your tokens is over billions doesn't mean bounty hunters deserves billions of tokens, what matters is the value not the quantities of token

This situation you just painted here isn't entirely true. I ain't saying you're lying but making a sweeping generalization is what isn't true. Except you're able to prove to us here that bounty hunters control more than 50% of the token share of any project. Most bounties don't even give more than 10% if their total token supply. I have seen devs and their teams dump their tokens (which is usually huge) on hunters as soon as tokens get listed. Sometimes teams deliberately list on exchanges that aren't popular so that before hunters can register on those exchanges and get through with basic KYC stuff, they would've dumped and scampered. Of course, I know hunters will normally dump at but the quantity of token dumps by hunters are usually infinitesimal. Again, what makes you think that investors who buy during ICOs don't dump to take early profits?

I bet you are really pissed right now because this tokens you got became pretty much valueless overnight but you should have taken into account on who are the possible culprit instead of blaming it all to bounty hunters. If this project is killed just because of a temporary dump, then it's their fault, not the people who invested in it (Yes, bounty hunters are investors too since they invest their time).

If you really have faith in that project (Assuming you do since you hold instead of selling), then don't mind the temporary dump.

I've spend hours on this bounty project in the past and I saw something I don't like, the use case is very popular, meaning they have too many competitors in this space, secondly they tend to use small exchanges to raise fund, I challenged the team and they said they don't care about raising fund that they got the money. If it's true that they have money why no top exchanges?

It looks like the price will still dumps more because not even 50% of the bounty tokens is been sent out yet, they start distribution from the low earners to high earners, if you have the chance you should sell now or if you believe in the project you can sell some and hold some

but why they didn't plan to list in the bigger or top exchanger directly in the first listing if they were a good projects ? they can make a good liquidity that made by the exchanger communities and traders.

Selling your share is not the way to kill a project it's your payment you are free to do what you to do to your salary.

If they don't want that to happen pay them in other currency instead of your tokens . They know it already that not all of hunters will their tokens once it's given to them so if you don't want to be effected eighter buy it from them or find other coins to buy them . That's easy solution for bounty you don't need to blame hunters always.

Teams allocate a small percentage of the total number of issued tokens to bounty programs. For this reason, bounty hunters cannot significantly change the price of the token. We also see dump and pump not only on new coins, but also on those where the pre-sale has long been over.

Bounty hunters make projects visible. It still cheaper than normal marketing. If they dump projects then project is shit and nobody truly believe in it

So let me ask you a question do you think that hunters could move that price?
As a bounty hunter you should also know the allocation of the project do you think such small allocation for all the bounty hunters could really do it?
Don't you think it is the project itself? The price drops because they doesn't have a huge demand while there are so many holders that wish to sell their token.
Do you think that only the bounty hunters sold their share?
I think having a price drop is normal for every new project for me it is their trial if they could still continue or just let go and move on.

I started losing interest in this project when John McAfee become their look up to advisor but I don't want to rush, maybe the team are really serious? We don't know so let's wait and see what happens next, this dump might just be temporarily, If the team are serious the tokens will recover later

I though this coins was 10 cents? Wow that's a big dump and the distribution is still on, it's left for the team to come up with something new and good to make the token recovers later, a good news is enough or listing on better exchanges, p2pb2b and coinbene are trash honestly

Yes, with the large total supply that the project has outlined and they are distributing the bounty in a truly devaluing way. For such projects I think you should be more careful when joining to encounter current problems. Anyway, I think this project has a clear team, so I still have hope in the future to bring it back.

The problem with this YouEngine bounty is they give out too many tokens to bounty hunters, the total max supply is 11 billion and they did four rounds of bounty campaigns which ain't necessary to be honest, they give away 7,500,000 tokens to bounty hunters, why? This is too much, it's not always about quantities of tokens but the value of the tokens, 500k is enough

You can say that bounty hunters really kill the projects are because you did not sell the token when the price can rise to $10. That is greedy because I guess you are waiting for another high price. You blame the bounty hunters because of that. But I don't think that the bounty hunters who can sell their token at that price will say the same because they made a big profit by selling at the highest price.

It is what happens in the crypto world, and it is a lesson for you to sell the token IF the price can touch the highest price, so you can buy back the token IF the token is worth to buy back. You don't need to hold your token if the token price can increase because that is a new token that can get dump anytime.

If you participate on Youengine it's wise to hold your tokens, look at what this project team are trying to achieve, this is a big project, their roadmap is very attracting and thy aren't wasting anytime at all, the team are very active and hardworking, to me the use case isn't just one and it makes sense, no matter how hard bounty hunters dump it will recover

I guess those bounty hunters  who also joined the campaign recieved  desame amount of tokens or lets say assume they recieved double amount of tokens compared to you but still 20 dollar is a very low  amount of money to sell because you will spend atleast 4 - 10 dollar worth of eth for gas transaction in order to sell, i think no, not the bounty hunters the reason of dump because same as you they will also not sell their  tokens for penny.

If I received $20 worth of token and I need to spend $3 or more I will just keep it if I see that the token has potential in the market, but if there's none I will just dump it even if I have to shell out $5 or $7 I prefer to have little amount than having my stakes go to zero, YOUC has a good potential in the market why not wait to get in more market, I'm sure devs will do that.

For those who do not know how to analyze the market they might conclude that bounty reward dump the market. UNISWAP had been a pointer with the airdrop few weeks ago at around $2400 for every exchange user before September, such a huge reward did not dump the token when the order book has the capacity to take care of it. By next year we would see bounties in hundreds of thousand and sometimes million dollar value, yet the dump will be so insignificant when right factors are in place.

The same old BS again and again. How is it possible to crash the prices, in case the bounty pool is just 1% or 1.5% of the total budget? If the fair price is $10, then why can't the OP purchase these tokens, since now they are trading at 97% below that level? If the project is a good one, then sooner or later the prices are going to recover, right? In the end, it comes to the quality of the project. If it is a good project, then in the long term, the prices will recover.

In some instances, I agreed with you but not all the time. Actually, it's not the bounty hunters who kill the price of a token project as there are some projects that before bounty hunters can receive their token reward the token price already dump. So the price will always depend on how the project will maintain it. And it will depend on how the market goes also.

Remember about when you were seeing the project didn't have a potential to make another comback again and it can be considered as the best time to take the decision to sell your coin.
This must be taken when you are seeing your portfolios have decreased a lot. It's better to take a small reward rather than you got nothing from your effort.

People should always consider this to take any opportunity to make even small money.

Blaming hunters for a price to drop is a bit harsh because even investors can dump it too you know. I have seen projects that did not affect sell off from hunters and even proved that weak hands hunters are losers. It's all matter of project adoption and how good the project is, it will not be affected by hunters selling their rewards, in fact investors will always eat them at lower price  if they know a project has good potential to get into much high price in a short period of time. Maybe youcash don't have that much supporters and investors that's why price falling more and more.

I really agree with what you say because so far the bounty hunter has not been a fatal mistake for the price of tokens on the exchange purely the fault of the developer who did not provide good development because if there is an update that can be of use to many people then of course the price will go up.

Youengine held a bounty for 28 weeks and after that, they start distributing their token. It's still running by I was tracking this project price before the bounty ended. Its 24-hour trading volume was less the $10k. But they are distributing millions of dollars worth of token for bounty as their IEO price. How you think the market will be stable with this tiny volume. Please stop blaming bounty hunters because of some low-quality projects. Looks at its 24 hour volume now and I saw it cross $20k for the first time.

I do not agree with you in this matter. YOUC token distribution has started from 27 Oct. The value of 1 YOUC before the start of distribution was 0.12 USD. But just when the master spreedsheet was ready, the value of 1 YOUC decreased to 0.055-0.06 USD. Before Bounty Hunters got the tokens, the value of YOUC went down 50%. So how are Bounty Hunters killing project? A lot of YOUC tokens are going to exchange every day so the value of YOUC is going down. You can hold your YOUC if you want.

I'm sure that the team saw this coming, I suspected that the price already went down before the distribution begins, I'm not saying that the team can't be trusted but I'm just saying the team know what they are doing, it's your choice if you want to sell or you want to hold, this isn't the work of bounty hunters

To see who is wrong, you can see the seller's total tokens in the market and equal the total bounty allocation
because when it enters the market the causes of the dump are many factors because the business is no longer with the bounty hunters, but investors and traders also intervene in buying and selling. and see how strong the bounty project is in solving the problem of whether there will be a buyback edition from the developer or make the price soar with big news, if there is no harm in immediately selling the tokens from the bounty, no matter if there is a dump or not while the bounty project is not there guarantee will develop

This is their mistake and not the mistake of the bounty hunters, and if the bounty hunters are the ones who kill the project, and this is wrong talk, then why did they do 4 promotional rounds for their project!! If the project token has good potential and market value and has a supply and demand, then it can recover after the price of the token dump.

Your thought about bounty hunters not to be the one killing projects is absolutely correct and you dont not to have a change of thoughts.
1) The total allocated amount of token paid to bounty hunters does not give them the chance to manipulate the project price if the project itself/teams are upto standard of creating the project.
2) Every crypto listed on exchange ever since the year 2017 either hold IEO or not will experience dump in price because 97% of whales that joined the token trading competition only want to make profit through the coin not to hold. However, if the dump happened it the duty of the project team to fix it.

i saw in the YOUC markets buy orders is very low with huge sell orders and thats make the price down hard man
maybe if the OP think this project is good, better to hold this token

Your point is flawed, when you see any token with low volume and lack liquidity this is bound to happen. I have seen a token that the spread between buy and sell order is close to $5, you if this is it and one that sells or dump his token on the market is going to crash the market.

From my point of view, its not due to bounty hunters. Let's say there are 90% tokens in the market and 1% distributed to bounty hunters. Also lets assume all 1% tokens were sold at market price. Will it lower down the price by more than 50-60 %?
I think its the team and private investors always responsible for selling at lowest price because they got these tokens free or with huge discounts.

Actually this is not the fault of the bounty hunter but this is the fault of the project because it doesn't have a big demand in the market so there is a dump, but I see the price is better now, now the price is $0.003

That is not bounty hunters killing the project, if a token worths 300 of it worths 10 dollars and reaches to as low as under half a dollar, that is not the problem of the people who dump their tokens, it is the problem of not having enough buyers to cover that difference. If a project is not good enough there won't be too many people who try to keep buying it constantly, look at bitcoin for example, I know it is a bad example and it is the biggest one but you can sell 10 million dollars worth of bitcoin today and it won't go down more than 1% at the very worst.

I know new tokens can't be expected to be like bitcoin that is understandable, but if a token has NO buyers at all and everyone sells, obviously it is going to fall. Why should bounty hunters be responsible for not selling? It should be teams responsibility to find buyers to cover that difference.

This token was listing some more exchange but there have no expensive volume. If a coin no have good volume then what can do hunter? Not all hunter gonna hold so if a project has very strong community development with partnership then never expect dump. There token dump long time ago because no have good holders.

well. i disagree. bounty participants do not get so many coins. if bounty hunters can dump the price it means that volume is low and volatility is high. it is possible only for crap projects.

Few of the bounty hunter cared about the project they were promoting. After distribution we will see the market will burn because most of them throw away their token just because they want to enjoy the result of their work. On the other hand, trader take advantage of the situation as soon as distribution is made just to get more token from the seller. Trader charge a lower purchase price, and bounty hunter sell because they want to enjoy the result. So it's not entirely bounty hunter to blame, because trader also have sneaky trick in seeking profit. So if you believe the price will recover soon, then hold on and sell once you see that the pay is up to your job on the bounty.

I can feel your frustration but keep calm, if the project and team is really good with solid product then this dump will prove to be short term only and price will recover after most people sell.
I participated in perhaps the 1st round of youengine campaign and i will not sell till price grows nicely and i expect the price to grow as overall bull cycle is also getting started in the market.

When you work for someone, a company or a platform and gets paid, you decide what to do with it. If bounty hunters kills projects, why then are project teams still coming for their services or promotions?. That a token dumps in price after bounty distribution is not hunters faults, they are only selling the reward for their promotions. Come to think of it, what about projects that refused to send bounty tokens at the right time and in the cause of that, leads to dump in price and then they pays wherein the reward is now very low, when hunters sell at that low reward and hence causing more price dump, will you blame them? No.
Also, there are still projects that distributed their bounty tokens and yet the price was not too affected. Therefore, no matter how we look at it, the problems is not from bounty hunters neither do they kill projects. The team should channel their energy into making sure their project is worth it, and this way having more investors.

I believe it can survive but it has so many top competitors to compete with, so let's just see how things turn out to be.
Haha, nice joke mate, of course not, I think I'm gonna hodl this one, maybe wait for it to hit 10$ mark again then I'm gonna sell it off, dumping it for 0.35 is as good as not having it  in my wallet all  :D.
That's exactly what I'm planning to do, I will just save it there in my wallet and forget about it, then maybe check up on it once in a while, if Youcash really wanted to hit the market big time they should have listed on top exchanges, cus i don't think listing on small exchanges where orders will take long to fullfil can help them accomplish whatever they have in mind, but I pray the project becomes successful in the future, that's if they survive the market pressure.

The volume of reward is not the whole supply of the specific project so bounty hunters should not affect the whole project and can’t kill the project. Let’s not blame the failure of the developer to the bounty hunters because we are just doing our job and the developer job is to make sure that there’s a demand for that token. I don’t believe that hunters can kill a project, this is too impossible to happen not unless you participated on a shit project.

It is unfair to directly blame bounty hunters, there is still a possibility that the project price is dumped due to whales or early investors.
And don't be surprised what happened when projects were first released on exchanges, if we didn't sell our coins quickly, we can lose
the opportunity to sell it at a high price. But if the project does have a good projects team, surely it can make the project price go up again.

I am with you here. If the project has strong foundation, they can always recover from the dump.
This should not last long and if they do have good liquidity, they can rise up again.
But if the project is crap, then, don't expect that you will still get something valuable here.
The amount given to hunters is very small as compared to what the team has.
They can blame hunters but it is their platform that is not strong.

Well, seen from this case, it can learn that:
1. The bounty hunters that have received their reward sell their token directly after distribution because they are afraid of the dumped price that they may have later
2. the first reason is reasonable because if we see the total allocation of the rewards for bounty hunters is so big so that if it is compared with the token in the market, it will be dumped so easily.
3. Not only that case, but the team also cannot manage the distribution very well moreover considering the bounty allocation that is too much, I see many members get the rewards till a hundred thousand.
4. The rice will be dumped so easily when there are higher people selling the token that the order buys on the market.
5. Not only the bounty hunters that sell the coins so dump but also the whales of the investors who want to get very cheap price token at that time

A great management skills to analyze how the bounty hunter works can be a big thing, a saw a campaign like this under Bubbalex and yes, he successfully handle it and the price didn’t dump that much.

Beside, the allocation is not that big for the hunters so its too impossible to kill the project with that numbers, if there’s no buyers of that token then that is the problem of the developer, stop blaming the hunters because we are doing our job and its our right to receive the reward on time.

Actually distributing all the prizes directly is not a mistake as long as the team has made preparations and buy back the coins, unfortunately the team did not think about it, so this is not the fault of the bounty hunter,
Gradually distributing is not a bad idea, but it would be dangerous if suddenly the team leaves and the project becomes a scam.

Before commenting that bounty hunters destroy projects, we need to consider the total bounty and the quality of the project.
Total winnings are clear when the bonus chain is generated. Based on the number of participants we can estimate the value each will receive but poor project liquidity will result in a decrease in the value of the project after the distribution of the bonus. We should not blame hunters. If the project is listed on multiple exchanges, has high liquidity and good project quality, then the project's tokens distributed to hunters will not be the cause of the price drop.
The hunters did their part and they were not wrong in selling what they received. The bounty program organizer should plan to distribute tokens in the bounty campaign properly to avoid slippage.

It's not only Youc but the whole projects in general where bounty hunters dump their share of token, you cannot ask or request bounty hunters not to sell their shares it's their shares it's coming from work they've done, it's an investment effort it's their alone if they choose to dump they should not be questioned, everything depends on the project's potential if investors see something good on the project they will just buy tokens that has been dumped, and the token/coin will eventually recover, we have seen it on so many great project.

If Youc projects is a good one with prospect and handled by experience team then there is no need to panic about the dump in its price.
Almost all tokens often experience a massive dump when listed and when bounties is distributed this can also be attributed to some investors who bought massively at pre-sale with bogus bonuses thus capitalize on the opportunity to sell at listing when the price was very high.
Bounty hunters shouldn't be blame for the dump in Youc token they received small portion of the entire bounty.

We cannot blame them because bounty hunters also work hard to promote the project. It depends om the project if they hold the bounty tokens for a months or year. There’s also a way to avoid massive dump if they want to have a bounty campaign they will pay fiat instead of tokens.

It's always been like that, hunters being blamed when the price fall after being listed. Small portions of rewards can't do any
harm from the project itself if the team really focus with the project.

The token that being dumped and yet gained it back are project that have a good set up plans. The team anticipates what possibilities
can happen and never being bothered with short term downfall as they have plans bringing it back.

lol i laugh a bit upon reading your story sorry for that . i laugh because the price instantly drop . i havent  check the actual stats of the coins but i think it dumped over  a hundred percent based on the total value of your coins .

about that youengine many are saying negative but they did pay and you are the proof but only the price are not cooperating . how can you be so sure that the major drop was caused by bounty hunters , do we have an accurate indication for that ? or tools to know if hunters are really causing the dip . your also a bounty hunter so your blaming your self too

The real problem is that this was a scam project and a cash grab from the beginning. No doubt some bounty hunter token dumping contributed to the collapse of YOUC but the timing you describe makes it sound like there was a lot of insider dumping that preceded it. And then of course there's no one wanting to buy it, which is also a problem. I just assume most altcoin projects are scams to begin with and that way I'm seldom disappointed.

I beg to differ your opinion on this if a project is scared of dumping tokens by the bounty hunters then the project most probably does not have self worth in the first place, i believe that if a project is able to show itself worthy bounty hunters and even more investors will wish to hold its coins/ invest in their coins and bounty hunters jobs is to only help the company to publicize the project and they are just getting back what they should be getting.

I can't even find this coin in Coinmarketcap list. I found it in CoinGecko, but its absence from CMC is a big red flag. If the project was not a scam, then in all probability they would have listed this token in CMC. And the price drop is really stunning. The token lost more than 95% of its value in just two weeks. Do you really think that this much drop is just because of bounty hunters dumping their rewards?

Very few percentage of tokens are given to bounty hunters, rest is with investors and owners You can check that with any project and you'll see generally they give 1-10% of total tokens which is not really that much to cause market crash. Even if bounty hunters decide to dump at the same time which rarely happens, it doesn't really effect the project in long term and it recovers fast due to big investors if there are any. If it isn't recovering within few days chances are that it is being done by investors and owners with very few percentage of hunters who are just trying to escape the loss of their hard work.

Most sensible project have a plan in place to buy anything that is dumped by hunters.

It seems like he is a new people that participated in the bounty campaign. If YOUC will be the same as the successful project like DIA and this complaint will never appear.
Low volume combined with a lot of coins to be distributed to the bounty hunters.
There's no reason to say it will not be dumped. Small volume can do nothing to keep the price.

Some traders have been starting the dumping before the distribution of bounty and the pressure from bounty make it even worse.

I hate it when bounty hunters like us comes here and say we are the ones dumping the tokens... when we know that most bounty project are only 0.1% of the project is reserved for the bounty and i dont know how would after the price because even if all bounty hunters sell at once i dont think that would after the price much

1. Youengine has too low volume, lesser people are buying
2. The team made a very big mistake by giving out many tokens.
3. The listed exchanges are very bad, p2pb2b, tokpie, coinbene

So tell me who is to be blame here? The team or the promoters who got paid for promoting the project? And now there are still many tokens on bounty spreadsheet that aren't send out yet, this means more dumps will happen

Things like this happen mate, you don't have to blame bounty hunters cus they are just trying to get paid for their hard work just like the investors try to get paid from their investments.
I've also seen projects where investors dump the coin or tokens to the extent that when the bounty get distributed, theres no way to sell.

Well if the project is bad it's bad! It's the thing with many tokens/coins, they are worthless in the beginning, the team can promise you anything, but before it hits the markets the value is zero! I will explain on this example:


Basically you could put a sell order for your 307 at $10, which is around $0.032 per token! But that order wouldn't be executed, nobody is buying, so sellers are creating lower and lower orders... you can't blame the hunters because most hunters didn't sell, they have worthless tokens! If the project is good, investors would hold, hunters even if dump can't hurt the price because on bounties never goes more than 5% of the supply!
I think next time you need to choose a better bounty, some that can last and develop, not in the ones that promise miracles.

We couldn't really blame them because they are just securing their income and to be honest I think it isn't just the bounty hunters that dump it.
Maybe some of their team members are also part of the dump who knows maybe their team members are also paid with their token just like the bounty hunters.

It is normal for YOUC price in the market to go down because I had time to research YOUC in the market before the bounty distribution started the prices were quite high in the market but there is something odd that YOUC enthusiasts are very few in the market buy wall very small even bigger sell
rather than buying The point of all this is that if YOUC enthusiasts are high in the  market, the YOUC price will certainly be stable even though all bounty hunters keep sell the best course in this matter remains hold until the roadmap is complete

Campaign allocation is sometimes a dilemma for bounty hunters and teams, because if the allocation of tokens for a large bounty campaign can cause prices to drop due to the dump factor, but for bounty hunters if the campaign allocation is small, the interest of hunters to participate is quite a bit while the bounty campaign can be an alternative to introduce new projects to investors

Investors who buy at presale tends to get a big discount and  when the project got listed they have the chance to sell it at higher price then since bounty distribution always been delay and sometimes not even distributed properly, bounty hunters have no way to really earn in selling their coins. It's not like before in 2017 that bounty payments are high, these days it takes more efforts and waiting to really earn from bounty so there's no way it's because of bounty hunters that kills the project.

Even so,,, many buyback programs failed because there was not enough cash or even liquidity. Buy back has to be programmed into the project by terms of smart contract, so that means also programming a locked liquidity in cash (or bitcoin or ETH) and not many projects are willing or even able to do that without a big amount of capital raised.

I do not agree with your opinion, the distribution for the hunters is not much of what is spent on sales,
maybe people who have a lot of coins are playing with it at market prices, bounty hunters only sell it for
fiat money after getting their reward. and do not be one-sided to judge it.

It their tokens or coins so it depends to them if they want to sell that or not, yes it is cause also why the dumping of the coins is because the bounty hunters sell their stake once they get it . I saw before a campaign to prevent that is they did not send the rewards all but they dvided it so it will less the chances of the dumping of their coinw which is is really good for the investors and for them..

I'm more sure that early investors caused the price of a coin 'Dump'...
as you said that hunters only receive a small share of the coin circulation so it definitely won't have a big impact on the price. believe me, that hunters are not the main cause of a coin 'dump'.

This is normal especially if reward is really big Man its $3m bounty reward and the tokens distributed is still in small portion and already dump this will definitely cannot sustain the sell volume look at the exchanges they are not large volume exchanges like Binance and Kucoin or Kraken even Uniswap has no liquidity which the owner did not put any liquidity I advise wait for the right time to recover and to sell if you are new to bounty then its a normal thing.   

True, in this case we need to judge from several parties, because basically the hunters only get a very small amount of tokens, so that if they immediately sell them it will not really affect the price of tokens in the market, and each bounty has an allocation that is not so much if we compare it to that of the team and early investors.

Bounty hunters destroying projects?
I think projects themselves are the problem. They don't make a good product and they can't generate demand from users, that's the problem. Their hunters only do what belongs to them, selling tokens to recover the money they deserve. It is the effort they put into working. To keep project value and anti-dumping, the bounty project manager and project owner should plan to provide some tokens available in the market chronologically. Another thing is that bounty programs anticipate the risk of hunters dumping, so they cannot be blamed entirely on bounty hunters.

I guess the bounty hunters really help the project in the promotion part. These projects allocating their own token in their bounty must be ready to buy their token in exchange to prevent losing the token's value. The only problem is even the team or investors before didn't want to buy these token even if the token's value is too low.

I have to agree with this. The fact that only a small proportion that every bounty hunters have to receive it doesn't affect its trading price. Hunters are away from this issue, but the reason why the situation goes like that is because the developers don't care about their project and they let things to happen. They are throwing the blame to hunters which is not the case that brought it. Unlesss, if these hunters holding the majority of their fund but they're not and that only a wrong allegations.

This has been the case for a long time people blaming bounty hunters again and again because the price is sliding, if the price is going to slide then let it slide it will eventually recover if the developers are dedicated on developing the platform and completing the road map, the price depends so much on the development of the project, which the bounty hunters have nothing to do.

YOUC Token team gave up 3 Million dollars worth of tokens to bounty hunters and you expect them to hold? Why would they hold when the reward is already so good? The fault is on the project team, the bounty allocation is way too high, moreover they never meet any hardcap, I'm not even sure they raise any more through IEO

Sorry, I have a question. Is this youcash currency linked to the yobit exchange? I was just a little strained by the similarity of the first syllables. If in fact this currency is associated with this exchange, then I am not at all surprised that the price of this coin has fallen into the abyss. This exchange has never won me trust.

That is the reason why hunters are labelled dumpers. Most bounty hunters do hunting for their daily need and that is the reason majority go to exchange to dump token. However, I will like to tell you that not all hunters dump tokens. Some still keep token for a while especially if the project is believable. There is no guarantee on anything. Investors that received a huge bonus too dump token too. If you want to clear my doubt, check out the currently ongoing kingswap

Some yes, as they believe that something will work out with the projects and in long term process once the team continue to develop then the hope of getting much higher profits will come to them, but most are just dumpers seeking for bounties and after receiving rewards they will completely dumped everything as they think that it's an open opportunities for them to get some value of their work.

What happened was just normal since most tokens are expected to drop in value once users bought a lot of it. That also happened to past Airdrops like HAWALA. Even without Bounties, the token value was high but when their second wave of Airdrop commenced, the value suddenly dropped. Its just like that so its just safe to assume that most tokens can possibly lose its value in a small amount of time.

I agree on you, OP do not have any idea on how a project evolves it's not up to the bounty hunters it's the developers who makes things possible, they are the one who build everything bounty hunters are just promoters, if they want hunters dumping their token then why not pay with Bitcoin, or other tradeable coin/token.

What else do we think should happen on the side of the bounty hunters?, After carried out a reasonable task for almost some good months before get paid. The purpose of we doing this hustling is for profit taking when it comes, for the hunters to dump their earned tokens is their right and shouldn't be an issue. If the project developers or team seriously have passion on their project; the project won't crumble or drop even when hunters dump their tokens. I think Bounty Hunters don't kill projects but developers does.  

How you can said that if you are the one of the bounty hunters ?
Bounty hunters aren't the killing project, dump of token isn't the false of bounty hunters. They just want the rewards from do task.
If the project fear their token dump, why they give payment the bounty hunters their token ?

kill the project? pffft most of the supply for the bounty of the average project I have seen never exceed 5%, and when the tokens are distributed are you sure all the bounty hunters are selling them simultaneously? I don't think so, your second thought is not that great. So if they don't want that they shouldn't create a bounty campaign, there is a price to pay for each action, you want your project to be promoted, of course you have to pay. or alternatively you pay with other coins so that there is no reason like this.lol.

The project never allocates supply for a bounty of more than 2%, and so you are a bounty hunter and say so. the ones who hold the most tokens are investors so if there is someone to blame they are the main actors and you say that the bounty hunter destroyed the project ??? Imagine there are so many hunters say 500 people and the total of the tokens they all hold does not exceed 2%, whereas for 1 person investor can hold 0.5% of the total supply. I hope you won't have too much trouble thinking about the comparisons ;D

Well, bounty hunters need to convert their reward into something that they can spend.  So it is not surprising that Bounty hunters will sell their token.  So, don't blame bounty hunters if the price of a certain token crashed because they sold their holdings, rather accept the fact that the project does not have enough buy support to resist the drop in price.  That goes to the project owner's fault of not planning way ahead on how to control the flow of token so that it won't crash the token's price.

they need money and there is no other way but to exchange their tokens to exchange for money. and why do you blame the bounty hunter for this incident. You are also a bounty hunter, you should understand this. if indeed the project has dropped dramatically then it is indeed a bad project. You saw the DIA project a few years ago they held a bounty too and guess there was no decrease above 90% like the project you are promoting, that means you choose a bad project to promote.

If your token is list on the above exchanges with exception of coinbene, you might likely struggle with high volume, asides the fake volume and scam counterpart coin the exchanges also have a bad reputation among serious traders that keep them away. Sometimes am not attracted to high reward token if am not sure of the partners and possible exchanges it can be listed, ethereum token has the opportunity of DEX trade.

I'm not following the YouCash bounty, but if the allocation is only 2% then the price shouldn't fall very deep.
but either the investor or everyone is not to blame,
that should be blamed is team that does not buy back, if the project does an ICO, IEO or Presale of course they have the capital for buyback, and this must be done by every project to maintain its value.

Do you understand that it is literally the point of bounty hunters?
They're not justice hunters or cryptocurrency success hunters, they seek for profits and thats it.
If a project can't provide high liquidity apart from bounty hunters on its start - its destined to lose value really fast

I've seen projects which suffered the same problem. I tried to buy coins before believing that the project is actually promising, the price actually rise and the value went good but all of a sudden because of hunters dumping their coins, its value went in its rock bottom, until now the price has not yet recovered. Bounty hunters benefit a lot from the project, this time I've seen projects how they regulate the distribution of stakes to avoid the effect on coins value.

This is normal, i think you can't really blame on bounty hunters

They are not accounted for like what, 10-20% supply?
Bounty hunters are usually only accounted for 1-3%

If Bounty hunters could affect the price so much
On the other perspective, meaning no one wanted to buy when people dump because it has no VALUE

If the coin had Value and people think that it could be performing in long run
They should thanks to bounty hunter for selling cheap

Hou could say that bounty hunters are killing the project as the bounty payments are only 1% or 2% of the total project. The guesswork will not be done here in the project only the full proof idea can run the project forever and make it viable for the investors. BUt, but hunters are only helping the project for no reward or very nominal reward.

In terms of selling tokens that might be the problem because some of the bounty hunters are selling even at a low price and they cannot wait until the price pumps, it can affect the value of the tokens. But in terms of their work while the project is running, I think they are also helpful by doing their tasks in the campaign, it is either they are promoting here or in other platform like social media which is helpful to the campaign because they can gain more investors.

People shouldn't always blame bounty hunters for dumping. The amount of bounty pool is just a small chunk or portion of the total supply which I think has a little significance to the market if dumped all together.  There are whales, presale investors who had a huge discount, the team that has bigger amounts of holding who most likely had taken their profit. Most dump their coins before the bounty is released due to the perception that the price will drop eventually once the bounty had been distributed.

It's over for Youengine, the volume is not more than 500$ now, what a big disaster, I hope the team have learnt their lessons, when you are trying to make a project team do the right thing just because you like the project they think you are just ranting, I do warned the team about those exchanges

Listing on one good exchange is better than listing on many low exchanges with fake volumes, if the token get listed on upbit, kucoin, coinone, it will be better than listing on p2pb2b, coinbene, tokpie, bitforex, latoken.

I think most of them really wanted a secure profit since they know a lot of user will just sell their tokens immediately after receiving or after the listing. I've seen a lot of this before just imagine distributing a huge amount of token to participants and most of them will dump it once it is listed it would really dump the price of the token however if the project is good for long term then I think they just wasted that token.

This is the disadvantage of using their own token to promote their project. But I don't blame it on bounty hunters, you know why? The team should be ready in this situation because these bounty hunters want only to convert their token from the project, which is why they joined to earn. I think the team behind this project wants only to get investors' money and didn't really want to continue this project.

You are misjudging, in my opinion this is not entirely the fault of the bounty hunters, because what I know for now is that bounty hunters have never received many tokens from the bounty campaign, maybe this dump could be the people who invested in the project and the team of the project. that is, because only investors and teams hold multiple tokens, not bounty hunters.

This is their decision to immediately sell their tokens after receiving it from a bounty campaign because they already want a secure profit and you can't blame them on their decisions because they just want an early profit in which they might sell it right away after receiving it, although it affects the price of the token because many participants of the bounty sell it right away before it is listed, we can't blame this bounty hunters because they just want an early profit.
Another thing is that the main reason why bounty is almost a dead projects because there are a lot of bounty hunters that are doing bounty campaigns and yet they are not receiving any payment or tokens from the project that they are working at.

I think nothing terrible has happened, some bounty hunters are ready to sell at any price and this is their right, since they honestly earned tokens and can do whatever they want with them.  We will see the real value of Youengine after the product launch in January 2021: YOUengine will not release MVP and will instead release fully functional end-to-end beta versions in a 5 city test Jan 2021.

https://youengine.com/blog/no-mvp-running-sprints-to-launch-beta-jan-15-2021/

That's right, this isn't particularly the case in the bonus space. From what I have been through, such projects will have programs like these to attract users, but when all their products are not ready, we cannot hope for value. of that token.

Agree that the project has shared a large number of tokens for the hunters, all of which will be proven if the project is still alive and active then we can still hope to get money from the project token.

I rated the project as 50/100 because of its use case, there are many competitors already, now the problem is no good buyers, adoption rate is very low, the team need to come up with something new before it's too late, they made a hell of a mistake by using small exchanges to raise fund.

Price depends not only on bounty hunters, but on the team decisions too. IF you launch campaign with big budget, without lockups and your trading volume is quite low - hunters will dump the coin for sure, but you can make rules like three phase distribution, allocate small budget for campaign, open more markets, launch staking programs. In that case hunters will not change the price and this will good even for them, they will be able to sell on higher price.

Ahh come on 0.5% -2% will not have too much impact on the market, are you sure when the bounty is distributed all hunters will sell directly? I mean are they waiting for their payment at the same time? I don't think so, this is an absurd reason why Hunters are being blamed for this condition.

The topic starter has talked about dump in youc which in my opinion is not the fault of bounty hunters.
The project looks good but it is a fact that there is no product yet and the volume is not there for the token which will result in dump when anyone will sell. So if the product is good and demand for the token increases in future im sure the price will recover so no need to panic from this sell off.

Indeed it is only true for projects that spend a lot of tokens on bounty, (about 1-2% of total supply). But currently, projects have very limited bounty pools, almost unable to influence the project.

The reality is even the bounty pool was really low around 1% - 2%, for some reasons the price could be dumped really hard in just a second by people selling their stuff in short span of time. In 2017, that thing was not really big of a deal because the team is really well-prepared of that shit happened and had a plan B to back up the price. But nowadays, the team seems don't really care that much about the price at all.

I also join rounds 3 and 4 in the YOUengine project. In this I will get about 11K tokens. At first the price was 7 cents per token. But its price is going down every day. It's not just Bounty Hunters' fault for dropping prices. Bounty Hunters will always want to sell their tokens at a higher price. In fact, YOUC tokens are not added to any large exchanger. There are not many investors. And if there is no investor, the price of token will go down anyway. Now if YOUC can be added to any big exchanger then maybe its price may go up.

I also do not have an idea HOW they can kill projects if they are the people, who do everything to advertise them? Yes, many bounty hunters simply kill their time doing this but it means they simply choose the tasks they cannot do well. That is it.

I read on Telegram that currently, they have no target for listing in a larger market because for the current month they are focused on the staking program, I also expect them to burn tokens to help stabilize the current price

If you entered this campaign it means you believe (even a little) in the project, right?

I'd advise you to focus on mid/long term and ignore what is happening now.

A little personal story: last year I participated on this forum in a signature campaign. Then I received tokens. Their price collapsed when the bounty hunters sold (we should not forget that in some countries 50$ is a huge amount of money  ;)).

I sold as soon as it came up a bit and pocketed $300. 4 months later my tokens value was ... $16,000. (true story).

How about coming back to see us in 4 months?

I know you have received your bounty tokens from youengine that are dumped and the value of your reward has gone down multifold but if you believe in the concept of the project and you think that it can make a difference then keep holding and if they deliver what they promised the price of their token will definitely increase.

If they don't have liquidity, so no one is believing on this project? Or even the team themselves don't want to provide their own liquidity? So something is wrong with this project. Don't expect that they will exist long if they are showing these signs early. Maybe, they don't want to spend funds to begin with.

YOuEngine team should do something with their own project, if not without any interest from investors, this project will dead soon
and hopefully they already think about something to make their project better and touch the basic crowdsale price

There is no wonder that bounty hunters would dump this after it enters the market,

It has no liquidity and seems like they don't have any plan on listing on larger exchange. Also, I don't think that the reason for this dump is all because of bounty hunters, there's a high chance that the investors and the team itself sold their holdings together with the hunters.

Believe?
Just so you know, I hold a very small amount of the tokens just 307,i saw some bounty hunters on the spreadsheet having 600k tokens, I think they are the ones who need to start believing in the project not me, because for me as soon as it's rises and the total tokens I'm holding is worth $10, I am going to dump it and walka away.  :D

I also joined you engine project in round 4, I received 1k tokens but I thought its value would increase so I did not sell it immediately, now its value is too low so I have no other choice but to hold it and wait until it reach the good price to sell. We can't blame bounty hunters for killing a project, because if this is what they always blame, why would they hire bounty hunters to promote them if they think it will be the cause to bring them down, as a matter of fact only small allocation of tokens are given to them.

This statement is not always true as over the years i have seen projects that distributed bounty reward tokens with minimal impact on price because there are many factors involved, so if a token has good volume and is in demand even the bounty tokens will be quickly bought from the market without causing significant dump. If the spread or gap is big which indicates low volume then someone selling even a few tokens will result in dump in price.

OP should know that YOUengine has been running for the last 28 weeks. Even though Bounty hunters supported this project because this project had a good allocation for bounty hunters. But I didn't see this kind of volume and price. Now YOUengine has only fake volume because of low volume exchange. After listed a good exchange like Uniswap exchange maybe the real price will be revealed.

Usually happen for bounty campaign participants because when you received coin and have lower price, I think you get mistake when joining some project already on the exchange. I join many time with bounty campaign have listed coin but always failed with received lower price after listing. Better join bounty campaign still running an ICO time because have potential later for back to higher price and never take less risk with getting coin ready on the exchange market and joined bounty campaign. I remember with terracredit have lower price after distributing for bounty campaign participants.

its common happen in project that have bounty campaign. i see investors now very clever, before bounty distribution they prefer to quit from project to avoid big loss when bounty reward dumped in market. but if this project have good quality it will be good opportunity for us to buy in lowest price.

youc team need to do breakthrough in market so investors will come back with high liquidity.

I've been following this project since distribution begins, yesterday it was a big mess and almost all available volumes are nearly zero but today the coin recovers with 72%, I think that's huge, it shows that the team knew what they are doing, it seems like this project will stand up on its feet once the distribution is finally over

Bounty Hunters are basically the scapegoat of the projects that do not make a great project and end up failing. It is easy to tell the world that your project was awesome but everyone just took the money and left and they didn't wait for it to be awesome, they only cared about money and not the project.

Well, for starters everyone should care about the money, we are not doing bounty hunting because we would like to make you happy, who cares about your project and your team, we only care about our money and how much we make. However on top of that, if you were a good project and people actually believed that you will be a huge thing one day, we would have waited and not dumped our tokens on first day, because holding it would mean more money for us in the future, but you didn't give any impression of being good in the future so we sold.

It doesn't look like it's over yet for this project, the team are damn serious and active, I'm sure in short period of time after the distribution is completed the token will recover, honestly it should be dead right now but I'm surprised it's back to 0.0017$, very far away from its ATH but anything is still possible

I don't agree with you. Back in the days, there was once a project (can't remember the name) that gave out many bonuses to their investors without putting things in place to curtail dumping, on the day of listing the token dumped terribly until it became worthless to the extent that the team had to quit the project, bounty hunters were not able to sell because they got their reward late; so in this case who killed the project? The actual truth is, many of this scenario keeps happening and most times bounty hunters are left with nothing than a useless token. What about those that locked up bounty hunters rewards and yet the price dumped, are bounty hunters the cause too? What is the difference between projects that distributed bounty reward and still had a good price and their counterparts? The team is the answer.
So my opinion is, bounty hunters do not kill any project because their allocation is always very small, the success and death of a project depends on the team and their ability to build their project.

I really don't understand what this YouEngine team are thinking, since they failed to raise enough fund why can't they cut some percentages of the bounty allocation to avoid this dump? Few bounty projects did same thing in the past like Gowithmi.

that depend about project it self, how many coin they distribute for bounty, how long their vesting on bounty alocation,

if they dump prety hard because the bounty, than is actualy scam project, just passing by and create other project

like defi clone these day

The calculations presented by TS are uninformative and I can't even call it an analysis. Well, the conclusions are so far-fetched at all, since anyone could dump the coin rate, but it's always more convenient to blame bounty hunters.

volume and other indicators should also be displayed if you want deeper analysis. whereas what is currently available is only an outline, it is not in-depth.
Bounty hunters are often the scapegoats. Even though there are many factors that make the coin or token holder very weak in the market. So that the price can be dumped just because of the bounty hunter. I have encountered many other strong projects, which can still maintain prices even though bounty hunters sell a lot of rewards, even if they go down, the price can go up immediately.

You can't blame bounty hunters. They are working for money and not to become a lifetime supporter of a certain project. They probably expecting that money so they will sell it immediately after they receive it. It is not to kill the project but that is their payment for their work, you can't ask or please them to hold it forever until it reaches the amount you expect. Most of the time, the project is the one who is responsible in this kind of issue, if they don't make a move, then it is also their intention.

This can only happen if the volume is very low and not able to sustain the sell off from bounty hunters, you already know that most hunters don't do hold, they sell as quickly as it arrives on their wallet, between the market is generally down, many alts have tank alot in price, YOU is not the only project affected, and don't forget anyone with huge amount of YOU can also dump the price including the team.

We cannot really deny that there are few bounty hunters who are really greedy and just thinking about themselves after getting their bounty rewards, they tend to dump it but don't generalized all the bounty hunters which do you think they are the reason for killing a project because still there are several bounty hunters that tend to think of a long-term and what is good to the them as well as for the project that they have been participated. I, myself is a bounty hunter that tend to hodl what I have received from a bounty campaign that I have participated rather than dumping it because I know that it will not only destroy the project but also the potential that I could earn much better profit when holding it for a good time.

same i also participate in youc bounty, project looks so promising but bounty hunters are so impatients they immediately dump the token for few bucks. which create negative impacts on project. i really admire Youengine is good project and they already have working product their product launch in January 2021. i request every bounty Hunters please HOLD your YOUC token It will give you Good Profit.

Right, there are many more factors that we need to consider as to why the tokens price suddenly drops. It's like the bitcoin crash from 20k dollars to 4k in 2018. If the project is as good as it advertises and it has good product, good management, then the price will increase in time and investors will be able to see if their investment is worth it. Bounty hunters who dump the said tokens they earn only gives very minimal effect on a coins price in my opinion. Many factors are in play here and these other factors will decide what price the token or coin should have.

Do you know how much Youengine (YOUC) token supply is? If you know how much the supply is then you will also hesitate to hold it, regardless of the product launch they will do in January next year, but for now they alone are not able to make their token price last in the market, so if the product they launch is not anyone likes it or uses it, it is not impossible that the Youengine project will die by itself.

Bounty Hunters kill Project?
 This is really ridiculous, how is it possible that only 3-5% of the total bounty pool can make the price in the market fall so deep. I think the project died not because of the bounty hunters, but by the development team itself. those who make the project die. those who dump the market, and those who make stupid promises.

Since i know about bounty and i do it they campaign, this incident will definitely happen.
Token or coin will be dumb after distributed. But i think bounty hunters weren't the only ones causing coin prices to drop.
And for now it's not only YOUC coins that experience this, because almost all coins are currently experiencing a decline in price.

Indeed, it is not entirely bounty hunters fault, actually hunters are also victim here. They cant also sell their tokens if the price is dumping drastically, the allocated rewards cant move the market to dip but why this is happening? The dev and team are the one responsible for this for not doing their job to prevent this kind of scenario from happening.

Yes, all of that goes back to the project developer, because they made the project and they also know how to turn it off directly, because obviously it would not make sense if the bounty participants could kill the project, which basically they (bounty participants) themselves are paid for by the project and the project also requires bounty participants for maximum promotion.

The concept of this project is why I don't join the promotion part 3 and 4, I noticed that there are too many competitors already, also the team aren't planning to use any top exchanges to raise fund, instead they use small exchanges, the team aren't professionals TBH

Youenging is not the best example to show how bounty hunters killed project.

If OP had received about 300 tokens, that means he was among first to receive bounty reward. On the first day around 60 addresses received their reward. That is roughly 15k tokens. Anyone still believes that 15k tokens out of 9,000,000,000 circulating supply could impact on the price so much ? That is nonsense.

Bounty hunters help to promote projects and I doubt the majority of the projects will be in their current place without asking for bounty hunter's help. It's normal for bounty hunters to reap what they had worked for since this is their reward for helping the project succeed in their token sale. They should consider blaming big whales who sell out once project is listed in a decent platform.

It's over for this project, from 0.10$ to 0.0008$, is it even possible for this project to recover? I don't think so, the team will have to do the impossible before this project can recover, since they failed to raise enough money they should have distribute only few part of the bounty allocation to avoid price dump.

It's very impressive that the team still keep their promise after they failed to meet their target funds, I'd say this team are adding some credibility and trust to themselves, now what baffles me is the next solution out of the dumping state once the distribution is over, I hope the team have a plan for that.

Coin price dips can occur when it is listed on the exchange however I am not sure if the dump happened due to bounty hunters. To put it simply that not all bounty hunters sell all their tokens, I'm still sure some will still have them. after all, early investors held more tokens than bounty hunters. Is not it?

The reason why this token dumps this much isn't bounty hunters doing, yes bounty hunters have the right to do whatever they want with their earned tokens but this is different, before distribution starts this token has very very low volume, that's it, no matter what a project is been made of, if their is too low volume it will dump, there are lesser buyers and more sellers, it's simple as that.

The project is not demanding at all, investors see no reason to buy this token as old, again the team use bad exchanges like tokpie and p2pb2b, what were they even thinking? The fault isn't the bounty hunters, it's the incapable of the team that get the project to where it is today.

As a participant of their bounty campaign, do you feel that you are able to make their token price drop with the number of tokens you have ?
If their project is a good enough project, I don't think there is any way their token price could fall like that just because their bounty campaign participants sold the rewards they got.

the decline of coins depends on the supply & demand in the market, but in fact some bounty hunters are ready to sell at any price and it is their right, because they honestly get the token and can do whatever they want after getting it. So if you think the culprit is a bounty hunter then that's natural. at least to make up for their efforts in promoting the project.

I think it is not 100% because of hunters, but the liquidity of the token is affecting the price too.
The team was allocating huge reward for bounty campaign, but the liquidity of the token on exchanges is poor,
no wonder if the token price is very very dump once the bounty reward distributed to the hunters.

I don't know why people are complaining about this project, the token is listed and small exchanges and the token has only small liquidity, what do you expect will happen on the long run? What the team did wrong is not sending out the tokens to bounty hunters at once, this means that those who get paid first will be able to sell at good price than those who get paid later

Daily trading volume is laughable. Low volume means no buy orders. No demand on YOUengine. What is strange, because their products looks interesting and it has a great support from community and team. It is better to wait for Feb 2021 YOUapp launch. Btw YOUengine is a good example how hunters dumped the price, filling all available orders.

The problem here is no one is buying this token, Youengine is not attractive to investors that's why all this is happening presently, lack of volume and liquidity will easily make a project dump in price, this isn't bounty hunters fault

no wonder the YOUC price dropped quite significantly because before the distribution for Bounty participants occurred, I saw YOUC daily volume in the market was quite low so that we can judge that there will be a fairly strong price decline when Bounty participants receive tokens.

In fact, it was very predictable because the distribution of tokens was from the smallest amount to the largest. At the end of the list, people had more than 100 thousand tokens to receive tokens. Obviously, most people will sell tokens on the first day after the distribution, which will lead to a large drop in the price of the token. Next time, consider these points.

Most tokens are worthless and get dumped that's something to be expected. Anybody who complains about it don't know the realities odf the altcoin market and the value of most bounty rewards and airdrops. They used to be worth something when ICOs were booming in 2018 but now it's mostly a waste of time.

Tokens have low liquidity, don't get listed, get listed on shady exchanges, require KYC and it takes months for them to be listed.

I am also confused about this project, even though the Youcash project has been listed on several exchanges such as Latoken, P2p2b, bitforrex, Tokpie. but in fact the trading volume there is very small, I don't know whether this is due to liquidity or not. But if this decline is caused by bounty hunters I don't think it's possible.

You are totally right mate , i personally participated in the bounty and i spent lot of time in sharing posts / topics on social medias but at the end i found that all my effort goes for nothing , the token worth almost few satoshis only and im sorry to say i wasted my time on it , at least for now .

There are so many factors for dump tho. We can't just blame the dump to bounty hunters although we are part of it. It is pretty normal for dumps to happen after exchange launching. Those who bought the tokens and the team itself dumps token to get some profit.

Im always experience on this if we participated a bounty campaign working long week and then in then end of bounty we wait for the distribution and first look of the price in the exchange site was in a high price but after the distribution we are going shock of what happen the price was go down so much, Then we dont have any choice we need to hold it until the price go back again into a high price maybe it will take more years before that happen.

I do not believe the sole reason why value of coin drops is because of bounty hunters. Mostly when a coin has very low liquidity during bounty distribution, most bounty hunters off course are expected to sell their token as they've worked hard to earn it. However, when majority sells coins at the same time, it will have major downward effect on the price.

Bounty hunters can't be blamed for this, it's just the nature of the market. If there is no liquidity it's easy for coin price to dump

It seems to me that if the project was completely confident of its success, then the payment for the work of bounty hunters would be in a stable cryptocurrency. And instead of blaming, as an option, they can offer to buy tokens from bounty hunters at the market price after the campaign ends. Thus, the course will be preserved and show the developers ' confidence in the future))

I don't know if the team are expecting that these hunters will not sell their rewards. Of course, they will sell it once they received their tokens. That's the reason why they participated to begin with. To earn something. So if the project dumped so hard and they can't go back, it means the project is crap. Because the amount sold by these hunters are very small and nothing compared to what they have. They are not in anyway should be the major impact on their price dump. If they can provide good liquidity, they can always rise up again.

this is also the reason why the team will have to arrange pay after a month or two before distributing the tokens. they know the tokens are going to be dumped so if the team sets a date to distribute the tokens at east a month after the campaign they will also expect no complains regarding it.

bounty hunters are like investors too, they will always sell even after months as long as the price is good.

If you say that the bounty hunter causes dump, it means that you are not familiar with crypto, I mean you should first look at the volume on the exchange, because if the project has a large volume there will be no dump. so it all depends on market demand and project quality

Absolutely couldn't have put it any better. The only projects which are concerned about price dumping due to hunters are the ones which failed to raise enough money through sales and those which don't have enough liquidity or buyers .

Here we have a great BM guy here, it's a pity that you're no longer involved in your BM work. In fact, projects like this have appeared many times in this space. I find that if people can afford to see a thriving project, I think we will have fewer topics like this.

Umm. I forgot to mention that you are actually making an assumption here rather than providing actual fact based on numbers and studies. I was actually surprised that there are even users (possibly with the utmost hatred of bounty hunters) giving you merit for an assumption. Before we will accept that it is bounty hunters and their selling of their earned cryptocurrencies is to be blamed "solely" for a failure of a token or coin or the project as a whole, then you need to give us something that we ourselves can calculate, can check, can refute or support. Otherwise, this is just pure speculation and you are just sharing your (including your meriting buds) the sheer hatred of bounty hunters.

I'm not surprise anyway if that's happened dude, in fact, this was happened most of the time. And you can't blame others if they want to sell their token where they don't care if the price will get dump. besides this is trading were the price move only in to two places in which is the pump and dump, isn't right?

 I think it's absolutely pity in the side of bounty hunters to say that it's their fault for the dump of price of an altcoin, this issue is repeatedly discussed here in bitcointalk forum. But i think the appropriate to say is not fault, surely when several prople massively sells the altcoin or token, that altcoin could've also decreases it's price in crypto market as many transactions done in the market for selling.

You should have sell at 0.0013$, that was still a very good price to me, I got my tokens very late and now it's trading at 0.0009$, that's not the main problem now, there is no buy orders on p2pb2b and tokpie, I regret promoting this project honestly, I doubt it will get back on its feet again

Youengine team are mediocre blockchain experts, after many warnings from their promoters about p2pb2b exchange they still proceed, now they have the end results, it's same thing that Bitwings team did, they have a bad similar ending too, when will new team members starts understanding how important top Exchanges are for their projects?.

True, the YOUC token price decline occurred before tokens for bounty participants were distributed and at that time the requests and offers in several exchanges that had listed YOUC tokens were also very low and not commensurate.

dont feel regret after working in shit bounty campaign , take lesson from it . and dont ever continue on campaign that have several round, if i am not wrong youc run for 4 round right . mostly this kind campaign will have low value in market due too many allocation for bounty campaign and investors doesnt like it.

Youengine has good team but non professionals, the thing that killed this project is lack of volume, even before the bounty distribution begins the price was going down already and the volume is way too low to handle the dumps from bounty hunters which caused the deep dive down.

we all know that most of the bounties are scam or maybe a useless project and we can't blame the bounty hunters if they saw that the coin has a value after they receive it I think they just making sure that they will get a profit no matter what the price rather than a coin with no price or value at all.

If the price decline has occurred before the delivery of tokens belonging to the bounty hunter, I don't think it is the bounty's fault, it means that the market volume is low, the team must add another market, which has high volume, because low volume is very easy to decrease prices and bounty allocations are very a lot, there will definitely be another decline

A little correction from me if what caused the dumping of YOUC token prices was not the bounty participants because the bounty participants only sold the tokens they got from the campaign at the price asked by traders in the market, so in this case it is very unreasonable if you say "dump from bounty hunters who led to a deep dive "because the price of tokens had already dropped before distribution was made by the YOUC team.

I participated in the last round of this bounty project and I was able to make 26$ from the campaign, it's really not worth the effort but who am I to blame the team, they still fulfill their promise anyways, I've get to know that I still have alot to learn when it comes to choosing bounties, I guess I chose wrongly

It is too early to speak about lack of professionalism of the team, as they haven not yet released their apps. Just wait till January-February 2021.

It is easy to drop the price and start panic, when trading volume was around $1,000 daily. Buy $1,000 worth tokens and sell them cheap or for 1 sat and you will on the graph how the prices shows -999,99% :)

In my opinion it should be implemented for the distribution of bounty hunters around 2-3 months gradually to continue to increase the value of tokens distributed, in my opinion other bounty managers should imitate the way Bubbalex managers distribute DIA and CTSI Tokens in three months.

It’s not good to blame the bounty hunters for this. They have spent so much time and effort to promote the project and deserve to get rewarded. In my own opinion, I honestly think that bounty hunters are not the one who kills projects. There are several circumstances for that such as the team dumping all of their tokens and running away, not enough liquidity and trading volume, bear whales, etc. 

Exactly, blame it to the team who are running the project, they have the right to give a small reward so it will not affect the project in case the bounty hunters will dump. The dump really hurt the bounty hunters as in the first place that is their salary, and they get it after the job is done so they have the right to sell everything they have to enjoy the reward.

Wow, from $10 to $0.35 is clearly not a good sign for a project, but i think it was not because bounty hunters.
Bounty hunters just want their works be paid off by selling the token reward.
Actually, the price of the coin can be helped by the team efforts like buyback, listing on good exchanges, etc, and of course it needs more money.

What wrong with you buddy, how your logical mind think bounty hunter as killer for real project, check how many percent allocated for bounty campaign particiants. Almost bounty campaign running just giving about 2% from coin supply, does crazy people believe with your word? how come little coin supply could make coin dump and have kill real project. You need to know about coin allocated from some ICO project, check how much for investor and how many percent for team and developer, the owner and team have more than 60% coin allocated and they exactly kill the project.

I don't think all bounty hunters deserve all the blame. Just bear in mind that the team knows what's best to their project and if they are not sure that their projects is already in a good position why distribution for the bounty payment should be done. The all have the right to change the payment into ethereum if they want to protect the price of the coin. I mean the one who holds full control is not the bounty hunters but the team.

I can see that you are here for posts count making, you can't even read before posting, YoUC token was never at 10$ per one, the start price was 0.10$, please try to read first before posting and how do you expect a project that failed to raise enough money to buy back their token? Doesn't make any sense

The team should have ignore every small exchanges for IEO because the project use case isn't new in crypto space, many lose money to projects like Youengine before, watching videos and making money isn't new in this space at all, if they used top exchange for fundraising the result would be different by now.

I am still waiting and not throwing away our tokens on the first day, because holding them will mean more money for us in the future, but you are not making a good impression selling at current prices. I personally still believe that this project has high hopes for the future. the team is working hard to upgrade their project to be successful in the market. especially the Dapp plan in 2021 and the top exchanges but not yet named.

This topic haunts many of us)) For representatives of the project, it is very convenient to find extreme ones in the fact that the price of the coin has fallen. They can't say that it was done by them or their environment, it's easier to blame us

The project had 4 rounds, if you participated in all companies with the rank of full member, you would receive about 200k token. At 0.05 usdt this is a huge amount, the expected scenario.

Quite natural, the bounty hunter receives a free token and he doesn't invest a penny for the promoted project. Some naive people think bounty hunters are not going to sell and HODL with believing the future success of the project which they have promoted. In the real crypto trading world, things work differently and they will dump immediately after the first news about listing on the exchanges. The bounty tokens are worthless for the mentioned reasons, there is no need to advocate the bounty hunters for their own mistakes. The hunters have to think many times before joining any bounty campaign.

I will never accept this, sometimes project owners dumps it before distributing to bounty hunters So do not accuse hunters and some project will list on an exchange without volumes which isn't good at all. I have seen projects that bounty didn't shake their tokens on the Exchange.

Of course, Not, bounty hunters do not kill the project, because the reward pool for bounties only a very small amount when compared to the total supply. Even if all bounty hunters sells the token will not give a big impact. Stop using Youengine as an example it's so different and rarely project give a huge reward as same as the Youengine project. So with the Youengine case the problem in the team is not in bounty hunters

Who planned all of this? Bounty hunters? No, the team projects.
I don't think bounty hunters to blame in this case. If the bounty hunters want to sell their tokens, it is their right.
For me, who makes a mistake is the team of Youengine. They make too many rounds of the bounty program. And they also allocate too many tokens for the bounty. Even worse, they distributed the payment of the bounty program in a bad way. They should distribute it like the distribution of DIA bounty rewards done by bubbalex. The dump is real but not so severely like YOUC because the distribution is divided into some phases.

This is the good answers and OP should read it properly, OP join in the campaign and at the end, he regrets his earning because it was so far from his expectations. This not bounty hunters fault, they just do what he wants, sell their token to enjoy the profits, and this is not wrong.

The real wrong is from the team, They distributed it in the wrong way. So no one should be blamed except yourself, For Op why you join in the campaign?? your own decision, so be responsible

Bounty hunters will surely kill a project that have too low volume on exchanges for sure, that doesn't mean bounty hunters are to be blame, the team did another mistake by giving away too many tokens to bounty hunters, now the distribution is over but I don't think token will recover any time soon

This is what happens all the time, and in the end the bounty hunters get the blame. Even if the bounty hunters are dumping their tokens, you can't blame them. They got the tokens as reward for their hard work, and it is their property. They can do whatever they want to do with those tokens. If the project teams is that concerned, then they should provide the payment in Bitcoin or Ethereum.

You can't force bounty hunters to hold tokens, they get paid for their work and they have the right to do anything you want with their token, if a token lose value it's because the project is not gaining enough attention, lack of volume and liquidity is why YOUC Token is down.

Advertising budget always part of any business, the team knows about that and they provide allocation, and you are correct there are lots of possible reason why project didn't materialized, it's the developers take and not the hunters. Hunters got small part of the actual numbers of coins and they can't bring good project down, while developers can buy it all and continue the project to stay surviving.

Dump is inevitable especially if a certain project have a bounty program, there are bounty hunters who are dumping after they received the coin and after the coin listed in an exchange. Usually bounty hunters have a bad reputation in the market but in reality bounty hunters are good because they are the one who promotes the project that can be a factor to the success of the project.

Most of the Bounty Hunters during distribution immediately threw away their tokens because most of them did not understand the project and did not understand the project's future. So that's why they flocked to sell the tokens he got from their work, thus causing a dump.

Usually, if the project is really an expert, he will provide buyback funds to fix the market price but sometimes there are also no buyback funds so the market price crashes. And if the project is really good, then the price will slowly recover again with good news and news about the project's future.

I think it would be absurd to leave it to the bounty hunter when the price is dumped.  Think about it, is the total pool for the bounty enough for them to dump the price of a good token? you guys should look back on the project that you have invested in.  a good project would never let bounty hunters dump the price of a token :)
Take a look at the bounty of Injective project, HEX and DIA.  they always paid the bounty hunters on time and never let the price dump at that point in time.
It is the responsibility of investors like you to predict the price of the token when the token is paid for the bounty hunters and other costs for marketing the project.  If you cannot anticipate it, you are not good investors.

It seems that the topic of the Youengine or YOUC project is now hotly discussed,
because the price has fallen by almost -99% making the bounty hunter to blame, even though I think this is not the fault of the bounty hunter,
try to think, if the bounty manager distributes Youc gradually, I'm sure the price of Youc in the market will also be maintained.

And what do you suggest? So that all the bountists unite and elect a leader? This is almost impossible to do. Even if it is possible, what can a bounty army do? Write angry comments?

How did bounty hunters kill projects? They are simply paid for their work and whatever bounty hunters do after payment is none of the team business if their project is good enough they don't have to worry because there will be unlimited trading volumes on listed exchanges, only bad or not too good project teams blame bounty hunters for selling their tokens

Unsuccessful projects only blames all of their failures to bounty hunters because they never come up a great solution or idea to keep their investors who holds a large amount of their tokens. It is obviously not the bounty hunters fault because they only received a small percentage of the total circulation of supply in a project, so even bounty hunters sell all of their rewards it will only create a small changes in the market.

It is nothing unexpected that dumping comes regularly when the project was simply newly  launched. What's more, dump is being finished by nearly every individual who have purchased the project, who made the project, who took an interest with the project. It's a mix of each one of those individuals who holds the token. Be that as it may, generally, it's brought about by the whales who are holding those tokens. This is turning into the standard for the recently launched projects, you become late to sell it then you'll miss the more exorbitant cost that you ought to going to sell it. Additionally, check what amount is the percentage of tokens from the complete supply of the project is distributed to that bounty to feel that the dump is brought about by bounty hunters

I'm also a bounty hunter!

But it is not the bounty hunter who lowers the prices of the project, it is the administration and part of those who invest in the project and who sell immediately to recover in profits.

The bounty hunter is sometimes paid 30 days after the markets open and the garbage dump is over ...

No way! Hunter can't killed a project at this time because many projects want distribution rewards long time later. Although many investors killing a project if those projects have huge bonus offer in processing there token sales. If there has no comfortable volume and popular exchange then who buy hunter token? If a project said that hunter kill a project target then they should paid USDT rewards then everything is fresh.

of course there will be a dump, have you seen the trading volumes of these tokens ? they are scanty, what did you want from such volumes ? is it the hunters ' fault that the bidding is so small ?? this was to be expected, it's already a matter of the project itself, not the hunters, you first follow the projects, their trades and volumes, and then blame the hunters

You are right, but apparently topic starter thinks differently. Although he was repeatedly explained in this topic whether or not bounty hunter coins affect the rate drawdown

There is an idiom in Turkish. Two-edged sword. You must hold it no matter what. If you are strong no problem but if you are not it will hurt you badly. Strong project wont effected, if its happen they will recover their injures. But if they not; investors will lose, hunters will win the game.

We are already tired of these whiners with their eternal accusations towards the hunters, leave us alone, we work and get tokens (salary) for this, which we decide how to sell or not, and so we only hear "divide them by a year payment" "divide by 3-4 months" and why don't investors do this ? to freeze the tokens, and every month, what is the percentage to defrost !  After all, the investors themselves are even more of a threat to the listing price than the hunters themselves !

So I also think about it, why such a small percentage allocated to the bounty can affect the whole project.

the reason why the price down is a lot of sellers than buyers, wich mean buyers still waiting for the right price to buy as much as they can
in this case, when bounty hunters received their rewards, buyers think if they get a good entry price to buy YOUC, they think hunters will sell their rewards and push the price down, but thats doesn't mean if the project failed
regards

I don't know whether to laugh at you or not because I was already thinking if the bounty hunter caused the dump or that killed the project, before you saw the volume on the exchange. I just saw YOUC volume and it is very small and only listing on fake volume/exchange

So it's natural that it's a dump :D
Look at this, if the volume is large there certainly won't be dump

https://i.imgur.com/7Zvx28W.png

For P2PB2B volumes don't need to be discussed because it's definitely a fake volume

A completely standard situation in which bounty hunters are not to blame. The bounty allocation was huge, given that there are absolutely no required volumes on the exchange, it is not surprising that we see such a strong dump in the process of draining the received coins. The project first had to create liquidity and only then distribute tokens. The developers themselves are to blame for this situation.

You are 100% right. major investors will always be the first to dump once their is a profit to move to the next project. that is the reason most project decided to lock up their token after sales.

i think you need to go back to the market chart of that token. from when it launched, sales at 0.1usd during the launching period. then it started falling.  drops down to 0.01 till it fall to 0.002usd. all these happens before bounty distribution. Now tell me who was responsible for the dump before bounty distribution. do not blame hunters. they are not at fault.
Also notice how projects are paying bounty hunters because crypto currency is gaining postive traction.

That's it. In good projects, the bounty allocation is 1-5% maximum, and can in no way harm with the right approach.
In this case, we see that the project was not prepared for the dump, which means that the developers foresaw something like that. In the near future, a huge amount of bounty coins will be drained and redeemed for next to nothing.

Bounty hunters receive only a few percent of the number of issued tokens and they receive them later than anyone else, when, as a rule, the price has already dropped long ago.  Early investors who buy tokens with large discounts lower the price of a token when it appears on the exchange.  It is very profitable for them to sell them at the ICO price.

This is why most of this bounties do not like paying in bitcoin because the team know that their project might fail. It is sad that someone will promote a project for that long and end up getting paid that small amount, wasting time and energy. And then someone comes to blame a failed project on hunters is very funny.

I have joined several bounties in the past and got some ERC20 token in the wallet as a reward for the project's success in sale. But until now I still hodl token in my wallet which is priceless and it's like trash because it doesn't seem potential. It is always an unfortunate thing on the part of bounty hunter if they don't sell it immediately after the trade is open. Getting paid is the right of every bounty participant if it meet the predetermined criteria, it's only natural to have to sell it while the price is still profitable.

The project should be able to take the initiative if they don't want bounty hunter to sell it as soon as the trade is open such as paying participant in stablecoin if they have great success in the sale.

I agree that bounty hunters can affect the price, but why, for example, not pay the rewards immediately and in parts? Many projects do this. Or buy tokens to keep the price down. I don't think bounty hunters are the main factor driving down the price.

I guess those who dump it at high price are now coming back to t since the price is recovering.
It is still early to say but would it hit back to the price before they release the bounty rewards?

Perhaps, yes it is, but projects should be responsible for this. Bounty hunters deserve their hard work and projects should understand that already. With that, they should've prepared some advance mechanism to buy back the dip that was caused by the bounty hunters after distribution. If not, good projects could actually push the value of their tokens by showing how valuable it could be. Meaning, even if the projects don't have a plan to buy back from bounty hunter's dump, at least they should promise something big to avoid hunters dumping their tokens.

In addition, if bounty hunters kill the project, this means that the allocation for the bounty hunters is really big compared to the total sales of the project. This is a bad initiation of token metrics. They should allot a strategically planned allocation for marketing and bounty campaigns.

Well since I saw it, is it really true that the said bounty pay their participants in parts? Why don't they pay them one time in full? What is the logic behind it? Now many more questions are being created by such a method of paying bounty hunters. I never encountered such bizarre method of managing bounties. That would make participants dubious and not enthusiastic with the project.

The logic is very simple, they don't want bounty hunters to dump their reward, so they did he distribution in parts but to be honest, there's only a little effect on the price of the coin based on my observation. I think what the team has to improve is to find a good and a liquid exchange so even if bounty hunters will dump, it would not hurt the project.

the Youengine project is still relatively new. their trading volume is still low. If the project team and developer are willing to work hard to increase trading volume, chances are their prices will increase. After all, their product isn't ready to launch either. maybe in early 2021 YOUC token price will recover, because their concept is very good. I advise you to keep your token on hold

I hope OP is still holding his YOUC Token, the price is now better than what it is days ago, I don't know if this project will recover to it's old ATH but it won't hurt to hold, I don't regret selling when the price was way down, i never invested on the project I only promote with my spare time so reward is reward, either small or big

This sort of thing is generally experienced by bounty hunters, where they need to work 6 months or more with negligible pay, here and there additionally winding up with bounty scams without token payment.

There was likewise one year of work with a yield of just $ 20, this is regularly the situation with bounty hunters.

in any case, you can spare the Youcash tokens that you get from the bounty, which realizes that in the following 1-2 years the price could be higher than now, if their group and company truly care about the YouCash token infiltrating the market, That's what you can do.

2021 will be the year if YOUC will take they are still in the crowdfunding and marketing period, after they distributed their token and since they have a new site now, all ready for their second stage of their road map, let's see if there platform is going to get support from advertisers, investors and the whole community, we'll have to see that in 2021, the token is very cheap good for pump and dump for traders.

Actually, this is happening from the beginning and newbie hunters are doing this. though with the time people are getting experience and  learning about the crypto they are behaving like mature.  So, if we take steps about the newbie to make them understand or help them a bit about the project and the process then it can be a very good thing.

That's normal scenario that after bounty distribution the price of a token/coin suddenly drop down. But I believe that if the project has a good foundation and the team behind the project has a full support for it, then even the hunters or whales caused a huge dump, the value of token will still recover, you just need to hold and wait for it.

This is ridiculous, I sold tokens on the Latoken exchange for $ 10 a couple of days ago, is this my sale displayed in the statistics?

That's , I heard they paid for it and a lot of bounty hunters said they got thousands of YOUcash tokens, this project ran for 4 rounds and at that time I wanted to join but I reconsidered for several reasons including long bounty duration. but to my surprise, they are already listed on the platform but the trading volume there is very low and I think the bounty hunters have been selling for a very low price.

It is common sense that when there will be large number of sellers especially when liquidity, volume or buying orders are low then expect huge dumps. Youc dump was also due to removal of 100k liquidity at uniswap so i think that if this liquidity comes back the price will moon.

It's seems to be true.Some hunters use to convert to fiat with a couples of days from their payment.But the thing is,they should hold their payment tokens till it reach of maximum price.Or else the hunter will be the loser and not totally to the project.

Several projects have implemented a payment system gradually and some of these projects have managed to maintain their token price which is quite stable in the market, but there are also several projects that implement a gradual payments system such as the hdac and coinvest projects but there is still a drastic decline in market prices. After the tokens are distributed, in this case I am personally not sure if the bounty participants are completely guilty of the price reduction because if we count the number of tokens owned by the bounty participants, it is only a percentage of the total supply of tokens they sold when ICO or IEO happened.

A good team should have a plan before distributing bounty tokens, for instance setting a buy wall to buy up bounty tokens from those who will rush to sell upon receiving or release an update that will create some hype around the token during the distribution period, so that demand for the tokens will increase. Another aspect is that some team members take it as an opportunity to dump tokens after distribution to hunters, thereby blaming it on hunters. I can't really say for sure that hunters or team dump price after distribution, because it depends and sometimes some tokens do not dump after distribution.

It's common matter for all project. I think this dump is temporary And it's another chance for investors to buy in cheap price. Now you see YOUC again pump. But all project not Strong so some project are damaged. If team distribute several times, then their will be no effect in the market.

I personally think you are wrong as well as because do you know how much budget for bounty hunters? its only 2 or 3% of total budget so how you can say for market dumping bounty hunters are responsible? Yes bounty hunters sell their tokens as panic for very limited time but overall investors are responsible for it because they get dividends from team so they can sell tokens less then IEO price.

thanks.

you're right, there are exit scams and investors who would join bounty hunters i think it's because when bounty hunters start dumping, it gives the investors a hint that their money is at risk so they rush and dump the token to reduce the loss they could get.

Price recovery is a very easy work for any legitimate altcoins. Youengine is a very long time project, I think distribution should be made in 3 or more different times. The bounty budget was so many times high, I think recovering time will be longer. Youengine projects should list any good volume exchange. Investors will lose interest without the huge volume of this altcoins.

Don't forget you said the project had ran 4 rounds of the campaign, what comes to your mind when something like that is been said, dump
Where exactly is yougine token is listed for trading, does the exchange much volume and liquidity, if no, what comes next, dump.
In case the token yougine has no use case, and are not yet to implement something different. What comes next, dump.
Bounty hunters aren't to be blamed at any given point in time, a job well done with rewards so it up to the project to provide liquidity to their token to maintain price stability.

Since the project is still new to the market a dump on the coin was always going to happen, but aside from the  huge allocation that was given to the bounty hunters, the team made a huge mistake to list on those small exchanges, exchange like P2PB2B has been red flagged for having fake trade volume,would have been better they listed one top exchange than those small exchanges, also the trade volume for this youc token is pretty low, I don't know if its because it's still new to the market, let's give them some time and see how things turns out to be.

It is true, bounty hunters only have a very small number of the tokens. Commonly, the allocation is only around 0.5% - 1%, lower than you stated above. How they can dump the price for a long time? Furthermore, not all bounty hunters sell their tokens after the distribution happens. Some of them decide to hold or keep the tokens to dream of selling at a bigger price in the future. With this fact, OP shouldn't blame the bounty hunters for the dumping price of YOUC lately. Even if bounty hunters really sell their tokens, the dump won't last a long time.

Whether investors will be able to get rid of their tokens, judging by the volume of sales, it is almost impossible. Now the problem is to sell 2,000 tokens at a normal price.

Yes in sorts of way, it help the project by spreading words about it and using its banner for more exposure and it helps the project a lot. But when the reward will come it will initially have an impact in the market especially when the bounty allocation is big, some of this effect results in killing the project.

A portion of the dump is from the bounty hunter, indeed, but the reason why its price dropped to the lowest, I don't think it is because of the bounty hunters. Just like you received, they also received only a small amount of bounty, do you really think that it is enough to dump the market?
And you should not expect bounty hunters to hold their bounties, they are participating in bounty campaigns to become loyal supporters, but only for bounties. It is common for them to sell it once they receive it.

Your example is not relevant, using youengine case for an example and say "bounty hunters really kill projects" So do you think every bounty kills the project?? lots of projects launched bounty campaign but the price of token keep increasing. The project not dead. The main reason is from project itself

And btw I think you don't know about youengine very well, the price keep recover by the time

Several thousand dollars? And this is already better, at least before that, they were sooooo small, perhaps a little by little trading volumes appear.

but the price grow in good movements after reach the bottom price about $0.000564 USD in november 2
wich mean, the price now growing more than 15x time from the bottom price, and this is a good sign for Youc

It's better if you were always checking the price of YOUC gradually before try to create any comment about that, the price has started to recover from the bottom price.
I have bought a few hundred thousands of YOUC when it was plunged to less than 0.003 and i got almost 2x ROI from there. It's very risky for me but i guess YOUC will break 1 cent very soon.
Less than 0.005 cents before YOUC will be touching 1 cents again. 

Bounty hunters are in two kinds.

- Hunter that only participate just to get reward and care nothing about the project at all.

- Hunter that investing not only His time to participate in campaigns but also investing His money to support and believe the project.

the First one after getting the rewards will automatically dump the coins.


the other one will stay supporting until the Price stabilized or even wait longer to look for Pump.

that's what happens when the token has been distributed, all the bounty hunters will throw away their tokens, no matter the low price, the price will drop dramatically. And in my opinion the next 2 months will experience development, the price will start to rise again.

Bouty hunter is not the main issue for dumping token price. If project owner want thay can take many many action to stable the price. They can pay btc or eth also can buy huge amount in this period. Also can distribute it periodically.

I think the main reason for running away from a project is how the project is supposed to run ieo, and it can also run away because Jodi doesn't succeed well. You see Jodi Bounty P2P this is also a good project but they have no volume but now it is a bit better ,,,p2p is recovering very fast, now people understand,,,,

Very well said. It's not really true that the dump is only caused by bounty hunters to think that the percentage given to the bounty hunters is just little to really affect the price . It really do think  its from the whales who are holding big amount of tokens and sell them right away to avail the higher price.

The real use case of Youengine have even launch yet and the token is already recovering very fast, a round of applause for Youengine project, it's shows that it's not for show or pump and dump, the team can be trusted because they are hardworking already, once the launch goes life the token will worth more

How could that not be a big dump? They held a 4 round bounty campaign with a sizable allocation and distributed them simultaneously. This will not happen if they are already listed on a large exchange with good trading volume.

Is it wrong for bounty hunters to sell their tokens? I do not think so. It's just that they are impatient because they are willing to sell their tokens cheaply. With a casual exchange and now that their price is recovering, it's a good achievement.

Bounty hunters do contribute on these pump and dump of tokens but the dumping of token are not solely made by bounty hunters, Most of these dumping and pumping process are made by a bigger group which do really has the control on the market. As you know the one that holds the mist number of such tokens will have a better control on the market if these person/campany/organization plan to raise the value of such tokens one group will do the selling/dumping and the other will do the buying/pumping  and while doing these process they make the advertisement and different way to gain popularity to public and soon recognized and as the popularity arises more people will do the pumping and dumping. And when the price of such tokens have reach the planed peak the organization will dump a huge amount of such token to gain profit while other people are pumping/buying of such tokens. So the sudden dump of huge amount of token will really hit the market and will cause a huge drop on the price.

The reason bounties exist in the first place is to generate attention for a project and by doing this to recruit additional investor for the project.
That's why there are still a lot of projects that are doing bounties in the first place, if they would be harmful to a project than there would be no bounties.
To have an positive impact, projects need to think about the metrics of a bounty. If you give away 5% or more of the total token circulation which can be sold on the day at listing than it is pretty obvious that this will hurt your project or at least the shortterm price of your token.

if a new coin is first listed on an exchange then It's no wonder bounty hunters will ditch this after entering the market for some reason. but after I saw that some Exchanges that listed YOUcash  were not convincing, the trading volume was unstable even the sell orders were very low.

The price will indeed go up slightly after a lot of decreases have occurred when the bounty reward has been distributed, but we also need to pay attention to the volume of purchase requests on several exchanges as well as at certain prices, if that is not much, then the possibility of going down again will still be very easy to happen.

YOUC project is massive supply of token to the bounty hunters.At the beginning of token distribution,the hunters made huge selling orders in listed exchage and reduced the token value to 75 percentage below.Now the price is started to increase again.So hold your YOUC .

Maybe they are just hyping the YOUC token so that they are launching out big token allocations for Bounty Hunters. With that in mind, we can still conclude that its not the Bounty Hunters fault since the developers allocated that number and they really needed a lot of people that will be campaigning for them and having a low volume would not really help the value increase. They should back it up by some good platform if they really wanted the price to go up.

I am Not agree with you because many projects started bounty campaign and bounty hunters sell their tokens or not their choice.
If you say, if hunters sell tokens then price will go down then you are wrong, scam projects just sell their team tokens and team blame on hunters.
If really bounty hunters kill projects then projects should not start any kind of bounty. 

I have 2 years of experience, I always had to sell my tokens, they rarely returned to their original price.

Your analysis are wrong. I participated in that project, the price was already $0.006 before the distribution started. As at today the price is at $0.0075. I still have thousands of it. In most cases, the team always distributes the token to bounty hunters when they are done with the project. I have been hunting for 3 year. I have wealth of experience in the business. Hunters contributes to the fail in price but they are not the major cause.
You know that you will pay them, which modalities did you put in place to absolve their token? The law of demand and supply must take it's due place. So don't heap the blame on bounty hunters.

Yes, you are right, but we know that coins / tokens in the top 10 cannot be obtained for the reward program. Maybe this is in the past, but now it is practically unrealistic.

The accomplishment of the project in a long term is in the possession of the developers, the market simply respond on how a project is being developed. In the event that I see a project with good development and platform I will have a second thought about selling my tokens. For what reason should I, when in a few years the coin/token could be worth multiple times of the current price.

Hunters sell the tokens they get but the market demand is very little, which is what makes the token dump
but if the hunter sells tokens but the demand on the market is large, there will be no big dump, it can even increase the volume and will slowly push the token pump

Blaiming bounty hunters is the easiest thing to do but it is the responsibility of the project and team to strategize so that dumps can be avoided. All good projects have high volumes and liquidity so impact of hunters selling is not much but if the token has low volume how you can even expect it not to dump when it will face selling pressure?

I was asking myself the same question, p2pb2b is a shady exchange and new projects listing on such exchange won't gain much attention from the market since alot of trader avoid going there to trade, and I also heard the team claimed to have enough money to list on bigger exchanges, but I'm still in shock on how they chose to list on p2pb2b, even if they don't have money to list on top exchanges like binance or kucoin, that shouldn't be the reason why they should list on p2pb2b,nevertheless the youc token use case is good, but I can't tell if they will survive for long in the market.

I usually do not interfere in claims as this; but claiming that bounty hunter truly kill projects is a bias, stingy review. I also participated in the youc bounty; and in fact before the spreadsheet was ready or bounty over; the token was trading around 0.06$ / 0.07$. The youc made a mistake regarding token distribution which i will highlight.

When the spreadsheet was done; the publicly announced youc bounty distribution date on their various channels; and that was when the token began to dump. slowly and slowly; the drop in price before bounty distribution led to a situation where the distribution was spread across, with lowest earners getting tokens before the highest earners, and the distribution was spanned around 3-10 days (if i am correct), with wallets distributed to in a day not more than 20-30.

It was after the price was very inconvenient that the team rushed and completed the token distribution.

So can you please advise how and why bounty hunters kill projects? As at Wednesday, (2days back), the token traded at 0.01$.
please clarify and dont portion blames at ease.

Totally agree here.
I have participated in many bounty campaigns, where the token price crashed before the bounty distribution.
I think these dumps are often due to early investors receiving extreme bonuses and dumping before the bounty participants can do it :P

You seem to not understand anything if you blame bounty hunters for this. If the project really wanted to have better marketing they would have paid the bounty hunters in Ethereum and not risk this happen.
But as every shitcoin out there they wanted to pay McAfee to have them promoted, sell as much possible in a presale and have a coin listed in the worst exchanges without any support for price.

Instead of blaming bounty hunters blame the project for incompetence, bad marketing and terrible business plan. Or blame them for scamming their investors as 99% of ICOs did so far.

It is true that most bounty hunters immediately sell the tokens they get after the campaign is over. But it is not true that what
led to killing projects was the bounty hunter. Because the allocation distributed to bounty hunters is usually relatively small from
the total supply of the projects. So in my opinion the cause is early investors who bought tokens when the private sale was opened,
in fact the cause is sometimes the project owner himself, those who immediately dump and leave their own projects because they
have gotten the desired profit target.

You have stated a very good point; investors hodl far more tokens that bounty hunters; and that aside; bounty rewards are usually meagre 1% of total supply.  I think there has been several debates about bounty hunters, projects and distribution; any project that has fear or doubts should pay their bounties in usdt or any other stable coin. Makes it all easy

I'm not going to deny that I don't know about Youengine bounty campaign, I was fully aware of the campaign and I refused to join because of the bounty allocation, it's way too much and I expected nothing but huge dump, it's the team choice to give out millions of the token, if the bounty allocation was smaller it would have maintain good value but it's good that the token still grows up after the dump, not all new projects do this today

How about those projects that paid bounty hunters and the tokens price never dumped? There are many examples like that right now, so where is the fault coming from? Bounty hunters or the project itself? I think Youengine project has too low adoption rate, lack of Liquidity and volume will result in dump when bounty hunters sell their shares

The initial success and progressive success of any project in the long run is in the hands of the developers. The market only react on how a project is being initiated and developed. Personally, if I see a project with good development and platform I will have a second thought on selling my portion. Why should I even do that when I am confident it could be worth more the current price in the future.

I think the fault remains from the project itself, because if the project team doesn't do anything for the development of the project, it's clear that their project will not progress and there is a lot of interest from people in crypto, and we can see how much money each hunter receives on a project, obviously not too many and there are not in accordance with the time they have spent on the project, so it is ridiculous to blame the hunters for this.

This project have more sellers than buyers( low volume on exchange) that's why massive dump in value occurs, still this doesn't mean the project is trash and today this token is recovering too, it shows that the team are for real and they have good plans ahead, if the project is a bad one it will never recover from the dump, from 0.15$ to 0.0008$ is massive, most new projects won't ever recover from that .

I have a different opinion from you. If the project has good potential we can see a rise as well. The important thing is volume when it was total 10.64$ worth. Usually, there would be less volume that's why you see huge drop there and in most of the coins launching/listing, we see such kind of movement so it's not surprising. We can not blame the hunters only who holds just 2% of the total supply of the coin.

It all depends on their individual needs, we know they need income from a bounty campaign, when they get a payment it is their right to throw it or hold it, as long as possible, we also can't force them to hold it, that's why there are a lot of dumps happening to them. at this time, we are also here as bounty hunters, who want to get income when the payment has been made, then we also have to enjoy the results of our work, that is why dumps are currently very difficult to avoid, only one can prevent the dump from happening , price stability is very decisive and the management of the development team must also be able to prevent this from happening, at least investors and bounty hunters can get a balanced income so as to prevent dumps, we also cannot just accuse bounty hunters, because it is not only bounty hunters who hold , investors are certainly involved with trans what a big dump this big ...

Has the team left the project? if the team can add an exchange that has a good volume I think it's not too late to fix things when the current market is very excited.

If just this amount that used for bounty could kill a new token，then this kind of token shouldn't be published，the rather that not all the bounty hunter dump their bounty token . The bounty dump thing is a good text of a token good or bad.

Yes, but at the moment the project team is very difficult to add exchanges that have a good volume, so they are not able to improve the state of the project in the near future or in the long term.

So if that is the case this means it is really a scam because Bringing the Project to Exchange is one of the most important part of creating a project here.
And if this become the last option then what kind of team and project is this?
Always blaming the Hunter but How much of the sales are being promised to the works of hunters?5-10%?how does this amount can bring a project died?
this proves that the said project is a Trial and error and only putting the Blame in every hunter that the only obligation is to promote their scam projects.

Bounty hunters usually only get a maximum allocation of 2% of the total supply. If the token or project is attractive to investors and has a large volume of transactions, I think it will not be very influential if bounty hunters sell their tokens. Investors sometimes also play with prices in order to buy at a lower price and I think there are many factors why prices can go down, not just from bounty hunters

Many projects are developed in different motive from the developer, which bounty hunter can't kill the project, because is already allocated accurate to them, hence the best thing to do, is to provide liquidity that we over the bounty and any other investors that want to sell at lower price, from the factory.

The team wanted the community to put liquidity instead if I am not mistaken, why would the community do that, especially bounty hunters who sole rely on the project's success. If the team really wants to the project to be successful they should something that will make the project more attractive to the investors and community.

indeed on the one hand the bounty hunter kills the project in the short term, but in the long term, the project is getting mass adoption large enough to benefit in the long term
I hope you can see from 2 sides, not just one side

You are absolutely right. Bounty hunters are not responsible for killing a project. Most bounty campaigns have a reward pool of 0.5-1% of total supply. These small amount of tokens are distributed among hundreds of Bounty Hunters. How does a project kill for this small amount of tokens? If this happen, then team can sent stablecoin to bounty hunters for their work without paying tokens. Why does everyone blame the Bounty Hunters?

some people always blame bounty hunter and as if this is the main and only reason for it. it depend on project quality when we want to sell reward immediately or not , some hunter prefer to convert it in usdt or eth directly without any analisys about project future.

if bounty kill the project in short time why dev team still held this campaign ? i think its wrong opinion , we support any project to success in market by promoting it for several months.

Token dump and pump lies on the team, they are the only one who has the power to dump and pump and not bounty hunters. Talking about YOUC, exchange volume was very low as at the time bounty reward was shared, with low volume, team should have paid bounty reward with USDT or other stable coin or better still buy back to protect their token price.

Are you sell your token already?? If yes i think you are crying now Because you engine price is good.
I just want to say that your mentally is weak bro, you just ready for big profits, and complaints if the project doesn't go your way
Profits or loss, legit or scam, pump or dump. It's normal in our life, you must ready for anything not only Profits, Legit, pump..  :)

LOL https://www.coingecko.com/en/coins/youcash

Dumping isnt new and basing up into those things that you have said.Are you sure that bounty hunters are the ones who do dump and make that price go to the floor?
You cant be sure but there no doubt that they might be one of the factors specially if the coin is listed out on an exchange then the volume of trades of such coin
isnt really that too big then even with the most minimal kind of selling will really be giving out that long red candle or series of it.This is why as a bounty hunter
when you do receive your coin and if you dont like to receive pennies then be sure that you do sell it out fast.Majority of projects now arent really
worth to hold on.

Well, it will not only be the bounty hunters for probably it could also be the private investors. They can buy coins at cheaper price and once it get listed they will going to dump it. There are so many projects like this that are being dumped. But this will all depend on the marketing team. They had so many strategy being implemented like slowly putting liquidity in the exchange that will somehow control the market price after being dumped by the small time coin holders and eventually it will be pump up by a whales. This if project is good and really working.

I think the destruction of a project is purely the fault of the developer who does not provide full support to the project being developed, if they provide support it will keep prices stable and of course the project must be a solution to an existing problem.

I personally regret that I dumped the tokens right away.  Now I would get five times more.  And, apparently, many did just that.  But the project has risen, and whoever says that projects are killed by hunters is wrong.

Not all projects are guaranteed to succeed, just like investing on a certain project, you as a realistic investor knows the risk, and that risk is that you may fail when investing, so we should be open with this possibility

Blaming bounty hunters does not change the reality, the project will fail due to many factors, as an investor as long as you are not scammed by the developers, you best option is just to accept the loss and move on so you can find a good project to invest with.

It is not a problem of support from the developer, if the price of project coins falls after the bounty is the fault of the project team, the developer has no obligation to think about it because the developer is only developing MVP, while for the issue of price is the task of marketing and project manager,
They should have thought of a way to keep the price from falling when the bounty hunters sold their coins.

I dont think that the problem of a project having a dump price should always associated and should blame the bounty hunters because knowing that the developer just allocated a very small percentage for bounty and airdrops. A good project has a plans for this scenario for them to overcome this dumping scheme which I think several project doesn't have.

We all know that cryptocurrency is a new entity of money. So if the project made a campaign with a huge reward if this project does't have vision or use-case or utility of course they will dump its while still have value. If not, Like elrond because of a lot of use case participant who participated in their campaign wasn't dump the reward instead.

The dumping in prices of a token doesn't necessarily comes from Bounty hunters, most of the times it occurs when the token has been listed on the exchange and can trade with it and people that have the token will want to sell, this period is when you can get the highest price. So since you didn't meet up with the very first trading it's better to hold it and wait till the volume increases.

Useless shitcoins without any real usage will be dumped in the market, and I don't think that there is much you can do about it. If the project is good, then no one will dump the token. Even if someone dumps it, the prices will quickly recover. The project team must look in to their own failures, rather than blaming the hard working bounty hunters, who toiled hard to advertise their project.

Did you see how much YOUc cost now? or costed last week?? If project is serious they will support their coin and any bounty hunters will not kills it!

This is actually really interesting topic, my thought about it has not changed a bit. When we said hunters killed project. What do you expect when a coin distribute today and in less than 24 hours the price has come so down that it won't be useful anymore. I have also had my share of this issue. It's was NTK token worth $20 when it was first distributed. But presently the price is less down $2 now. Can use see the huge difference. And I have more of such coins in my wallet that has almost reduced to $0 now. So, when hunters dumped their coin after distribution don't ever blame them, maybe I should say is because I'm also included.

of course bounty hunters can't dump the token price because they have small amounts. but developers can and usually they are the main reason of dumping the token price. it's funny to see how bounty hunter with his $100 can dump the price )

the reason is simple. because there is no strong demand in their market yet. When every $ 100 bounty hunter wants to sell everything but there is no big demand with a high value then of course the bounty hunter will sell it quickly by lowering the price. the problem is their market is not really ready to manage a good and profitable trade.

What if the bounty rewards are 3% of the total token supply? Of course, the unity of bounty hunters can keep the price stable or dump it to the hell in a short timeframe. The teams don't distribute the bounty tokens all in a single transaction, they don't want to see the huge sell pressure created by greedy bounty hunters together. Greed is the driver of the volatile crypto markets and staying safe is not possible if all market participants have made their decisions before the start price of the market trend. The higher the bounty reward, the higher chance of getting deceived by bounty hunters who have no idea why project exists at the first place for investors who believe in the future of the project.

In the past, bounty hunters have never killed any tokens, they don't have anything to kill a new token, and it wouldn't make sense if you say bounty hunters are token killers, because they only work on bounty promotions using their time have, and when the hunters get a few tokens as payment for the work they have done, then they sell it all, is that called a killer? "I hope you are still healthy today" ;D

LOL

sometimes reading  thread like this will be your source of entertainment for the day.

just plain and simple. if the project has rock solid foundation, nobody can kill their existence or their performance in the market. when trading starts for a specific coin or token, this is where you will get an idea how crappy or solid a project is. hunters should not be a prob if they have confidence with their technology.
 and to think that the amount allotted to them is very small, how can they be killers???

People who think that bounty hunters kill projects seem to lack knowledge, because dead projects can be caused by many things.
Moreover, bounty hunters should be appreciated for helping promote projects, not even being accused of causing projects to fail or die.
If you look carefully, you will definitely realize that the main reason for the dump price is not only because bounty hunters sell
the tokens they have already obtained.

Because the supply distributed for bounty hunters is usually very low compared to the supply sold to early investors. What must be
blamed is the project team that does not plan properly, because most of the current projects are just copycat. Without any clear use,
even the one doing dumping is the project team itself. So don't immediately blame bounty hunters if you don't know the truth in the field.

This is what I am talking about. A lot of people are quickly selling their share in these bounty campaigns/airdrops the time they have them. Have a lot of experiences from it in the past where I am checking these exchanges where it is listed and you are seeing these offers lower than the rightful price so that they can just be sold easily.

Of course the other people would offer lower until that price just crash. That is the reason some projects are having strict rules when it comes to these bounties/airdrops.

Bounty hunters normally work for 2-3 months without any payment and they receive their tokens once the ICO is over. Now you can't force them to wait any further. Can you imagine a supermarket or a retail store paying the wages to its employees after a 6 month delay? Forcing the bounty hunters to wait anymore doesn't make sense. The project team can encourage them to hold on to the tokens, by announcing additional rewards for those who are willing to do so. But strong-arm tactics are not going to work here. 

If I add the bounty hunter, it seems that it is not prioritized but is always needed. Regarding the development of a project along with the absolute value of the coin/token itself from investors, it means that if it is issued from the start it has a good product and I am sure it will develop quickly and rapidly. The cause of dump itself in my opinion is very dependent on its function and value as well as market sentiment, it has a role also has a reciprocal relationship with the value of the coin/token itself.

That's another scenario, but if you look at the total bounty they gave compared to the amount they raise if they really have a correct amount declared, it's just a small amount that should not affect the price when bounty hunters would sell.

What do we expect from bounty hunters, most of them work to earn, hence they will sell right away.


like how?

bounty hunter should not blamed when token price dumped, didnt we see its price down even while bounty token not distributed yet. investors have no confidence holding token due its project quality and uses case its token. with less $100 impossbile for able dump token sharply, except presale or private investors move paralell with us.

bounty manager atleast request high standar participants or using different methode in token distribution so price would not dumped alot. look an example from bublalex with his distribution strategy , its very effective to decrease dumping effect in market. and we should not blamed if someone dumped total token they have, maybe they have daily need that must filled or maybe its really their way to accumulate bitcoin in their wallet by converting all token from bounty.

I don't think the bounty hunters kill the project, how about the team that holding a lot of tokens? are they not selling it? plus don't forget the early investors who bought at cheap price. So don't blamed the bounty hunters causing the massive dump. I guess their project is not going well so it will die soon if the team don't work hard.

The victory of the venture in a long term is within the hands of the team, the showcase fair respond on how a venture is being created in the event that I know a venture with great improvement and stage I will have moment thought of offering my share, why ought to course of time coin  may be worth more times of the current cost.

The allocation for the bounty is actually the smallest of each supply so the amount of the allocation will not be able to kill the project unless it has no real trading volume on the exchange. Stop stating the bounty for dumping because without us your project would not be better now.

Did you know dumping a coin not surprise everyone because this is very common statements for a project. Anyway when a project make distribution bounty token then we can see dumping grap because there are many hunter here do not accept long time holding. I would like a team planning who very faster development programs with quickly listing many exchange.

Bounty hunters - just workers, they earn salary for promoting, how salary for workers could kill the project?? Projects team in the beginning must calculate how much they can pay for promoting!

Crap projects that lacks high rate adoption will suffer if bounty hunters dump their tokens, most bounty hunters don't care how much they are selling, they can sell at lower price just to dump a token for USD, only very promising projects with high buying rates on exchanges will withstand massive sell off from bounty hunters so bounty hunters aren't to be blame

That's right, they (the project team) should be grateful for the bounty participants who always make project promotions every day, because that's how the project helps to become famous in crypto.

I understand you, but if you look at the projects they have investors who bought tokens at a low price, logically the price should not fall below the price at which the investors bought. But we see a different picture.

It is just their way to put the blame to bounty hunters,

Bounty hunters do not really kill the project, it is the team nor the investors themselves. They dump their coin so they will make a profit for themselves and when the price of the token will go down, they will use bounty hunters as the reason why the price of the coin is going down.

You shouldn't be supporting Youc if you don't understand. I was in the bounty too and I believe in the project. It's clear you only want to sell for profit.

It's funny how you complain about dumping when all you gonna do is sell your coins and never come back. Do you even know what youc is for? You judging the price and they haven't even released their app yet.
Dump now so I can buy xD

Not all bounty hunters I guess, remember that bounties project also have a manager.  We never know whether the Hunter or the Manager is dumping prices.  considering the volatile Bitcoin price affects Altcoins.  they are afraid that the price will be destroyed and cannot become money.  The manager who owns the team also gets a share of the results.  not all hunters panic when the bounty results drop in price, on the other hand there are those who hold their tokens hoping to get a better price to sell.  we don't know who controls the market, it could even be that the exchanges team dumps.  because at least the exchanger team also got a token for the listing fee.

Youengine tokens volume is still thousands of dollars, how can this tokens price be a stable rate? The Liquidity pool is still in zero for some exchanges. Without volume, we saw that several exchanges got listed in the top list of coinmarketcap. I have the best exchange that price must be pumped after finishing all of these bounty tokens.

You just realized that bounty hunters can throw away all their tokens and can make the price fall because they sell them simultaneously and it becomes a problem. The price will definitely be even worse if all bounty hunters throw away all their tokens, the bounty manager should distribute youc at 3 part so Youc prices did not fall as they are today however prices have fallen. So far, I have also followed the Youc signature tokens and are still holding on until now.

Even a small dump would already make the project bad, thing is, no one is buying and you cannot just blame it all to the bounty hunters as there are investors who take advantages of the bonuses or discount, hence, it's easy for them to dump right away as long as they make a small profit.

Problem is, they blame it all to the bounty hunters.

Yes, bounty hunters are just a promotion worker on every bounty project, but I also feel surprised that in the previous post I made you say that the bounty participants are killers, but in this post you have said something else, which is the truth. ;D  ???

Projects never gets killed by bounty hunters. The allocation for bounties compared to other promotions were very small.

Bounties gave big earning in the past, now most of the bounties go unused. In few bounties I received the rewards, weren't able to trade through exchanges. Many have experienced it, and this way bounties never kill projects. Bounty hunters are just a part of promotion and they spread the word about the project.

It's no wonder dumping comes irregularly when a project is just launched or the coin is listed on the exchange and bounty hunters have already acquired tokens that bounty hunters can sell, though not all. but bounty hunters have always been associated like that.

I think each project should not only pay for promotion, but give away for free for its own success, this is the only way to create a trading volume and attract professional traders

of course, only investors have a large package of tokens, not bounty hunters. I heard that some projects specifically do not affect the price after the bounty distribution, so that investors and bounty hunters would sell their tokens cheaper

Investors are the main killers but bounty hunters do always took the blame when the price had dumped after such distribution without even thinking that
the main sellers or dumpers are the investors itself.

Project survival will always vary or depend on projects potential because even if it suffers from dump it will still eventually recovers afterwards.

If the project does really have relevance and actual utility then it will surely be considered by other investors later on and that what make it pumping.

Dont blame the bounty hunters, remember there are also private investors and investors in this YouEngine project. They might afraid so they sell at loss their tokens prior to bounty hunters dump.
The secret to have a strong token is to have a strong buy wall that will prevent bounty hunters and fomo investors from dumping the coin.

Its a big no for me. Considering how low the budget allocation for bounties it is not enough for bounty hunters to totally kill the project they are just putting the blame onto them when their coins price goes into failure after their ICO. Instead I see bounty hunters are the ones who are helping the project be successful.

Lame teams with bad projects that have bad use case  will surely go around putting blame on bounty hunters for their failure but who really deserves the blame? I believe it's bounty hunters themselves, why promote projects with too many competitors? When new project teams aren't professionals things will go side ways

It's actually not worth associating like that because the hunters only get a very small amount of coins, so even though almost all of the hunters are selling at the same time, it has little effect on the coin price.

It is not totally due to Bounty Hunters. Bounty and Project Team are also responsible of this dump.You quoted good Example but Now Youc is recovered. Bad example of this is P2p which was around 200+ satoshi before bounty distribution but now it is trading 5-10 satoshi only.Bounty/project team should manage this and give reward in parts ,they also should active by posting in social media about trading and try to list in more exchanges.

Why always blame bounty hunters? can you tell why YOUC trade volume is low? even under 1btc trade volume in 24 hours. Actually, the project is not good enough that's why YOUC is down. Youc team made the budget of 4Million USD for bounty. I think the price totally depends on project. If the project is legit then no one can dump the price.

Since i entered to this forum about 2016, the big dump will always occurs by the bounty hunters, almost all of the new project start up feel that. But some start up project can survive with the dump from bounty hunters but the rest others receive a bad significant affect that their price of the coin got drooping down. They who can survive had a big enough volume, big community, and promising project so the bounty hunters from their project have incentive and intention to hold the payment of bounty.

The trading volume is smaller than the bounty budget allocation then not only Youc, but all projects will experience the same in that condition. It should not be distributed to 2-4 stages according to the progress of the bounty stage because that is more to defend the market from selling bounty hunter tokens.

Yea, hunters are just the one whom they blame without a real proof they did dump where at the first place it is impossible that hunters can dump the price in small percentage of tokens they had received. Maybe hunters just triggered the decline but they are not the reason why dump. There are traders and manipulators behind the scenes of buy and sell scenarios. I think we should not always think hunters are the one to be blame in dump.

When Bitcoin dump to $8,000 few months ago can we say Hunters are must to be blame??
NO, of course.
Actually, hunters are just victims of wrong perceptions when the price of the token dump.

There's no doubt that the dump must have been caused by bounty hunters because a whole lot of the tokens was distributed to hunters and since the bounty ran for four rounds, some persons would get so much more tokens and them dumping would affect the value of the token. In my opinion, the developers should be able to forsee and strategically distribute the tokens to reduce the impact of dumping.

dont be wrong, bounty allocation only less than 2 percents from total token even some of bounty campaign using fix token payment each weeks.if bounty hunter sell their reward it doesnt mean they dumped their token , dumped only happen if major token holders sell their token that caused by many reason. for example dev team didnt bring their project to reputable exchanges , and deliver useless product.

Agree how come 25 allocation from coin supply could make price dump, never have any logic ideas how much supply allocation on developer hand and why ask them when coin dump. Why always bounty hunter said dump coin because 50% allocation on developer hand and only 2% on bounty reward, just imagine could 2% make coin dump? This bad opinion when any people said bounty hunter make coin dump how ever still have bounty distribution few phase not complicated with 100% for distribution. I think how trusted the owner keep hold their coin and never sell more if wanna see his coin not dump.

They always think of bounty hunters, this is everyone's habit when the price of a coin gets low. It is true that the project isn't good enough and the trading volume is too low, the YOUC price may drop quickly after a few sell orders.

The problem is the trading volume and you can't expect a good trading volume if the team choose to list the project in a shitty exchanges where bots are just manipulating the orders, that's not cool and most likely we will just see the price dump than even bounty hunters will hesitate to dump since the price is very low.

I always find it funny that these users are always into the business of blaming the bounty participants for a coins failure and devaluation. There are many factors that we need to think of when it comes to a project failure. You always have to remember that a failure of a project not only rests on the shoulders of bounty hunters and signature campaign participants and the translators and all the others who work for the project. The project already anticipated such a move by the bounty hunters and have already made contingencies to avoid further crash.

You have a point bounty is not to blame here but rather those developers. I don't think a small fraction of that allocated tokens to bounty hunters would drastically dump the price of the value of a certain token.
The one who should be blamed here is more likely the developers because they failed to maintain their projects. Besides, listing it on non-reputable exchanges could also a big factor knowing the fact that those platforms has low trading volume.

This is indeed the case, therefore, many projects are already doing more rationally, they unlock tokens in stages, for example, Avalanche pay their bounty hunters 22% every quarter. This helps not to dump the price.

Yes, bounty hunters are here to earn and whether you like it or not the receive rewards will be converted and will be dump. Usually bounty hunters do not believe in a project and they are hesitant to sell their rewards. This is the usual scenario and whether we like it or not this is the real scenario and actual which is happening. We can't force bounty hunters either to hold their rewards.

YOUC just needs time, reportedly this December there will be an important announcement about staking,
if true then this will be bullish Youc, I hope they really do, and remember, bounties are not to kill the project.

no bounty hounter cannot be said to be a project killer. We will see that the total token bounty hounter allocation is only a few percent of the total tokens available. it's just a dump and pump issue and how the team dares to strengthen the market after a temporary dump

Bounty Hunters invest their time to do some tasks, and when the distribution if they need the money they will cashout, whats the problem? Also if the many people interest in the project, then the demand will be greater than the small supply of the bounty hunter presure, price still goes up.

It's really common sense, but few companies do this, I don't understand why. Possibly afraid of public censure

usually projects allocate their funds for bounty hunters not much. max 10% of the coin supply amount. So don't blame the hunters completely because the ones who hold the most coins are investors. or even a Whale.

I agree with you that not all are accused of bounty hunters, which we actually question the larger developers and holders such as whales and investors, because we can take examples such as the Emirex project where it does not match the promised price, and when the token locks opened the price was destroyed and bounty hunters were blamed for destroying the price of Emirex, whereas previously the investor's token was opened and followed by bounty hunters and it was only a few 2 weeks apart, to open bounty hunter tokens, it was impossible for bounty hunters to destroy price, while investor tokens have been opened earlier than bounty hunters, the public should be able to assess and take examples with the problems that have occurred in the Emirex project ...