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Title: Second lockdown due to covid19 is painful
Post by: GeorgeJohn on December 29, 2020, 06:53:31 AM
Covid19 is really disturbing worldwide, the information passing across because of covid19 second lockdown is very strong, the previous lockdown really affects people especially trader's, entrepreneurs and many people lost their life's and siblings, so since the vaccine for treatment of the virus is out I think government don't have to lockdown countries again for the sake of less privileges in society, life is very difficult for people in rural areas and our leaders are not care to look towards the development or needs of poor's, I think government of some certain countries should remember that all hands are not equal, by following cases of covid19 with precautions instead of shutting down everywhere or making the prevent measures of corona virus to be necessary to people living in such domain, I think it should be more preferable than closing source of less privileges daily breads.

It's very obvious that not all countries at these point will experience second corona virus but due to what is involve in government every country with bad eggs of leaders will use such avenue to bring economy of her country down by embezzling their funds, when looking at the ratio of affected covid19 patients of different countries is not like the way it's in 2019 when corona virus started, even in 2020 so while would government lockdown again to suffer people, my major concerns is for those living in rural area that have no furtherance. Happy New Year In advance, Keep Safe


Title: Re: Second lockdown due to covid19 is painful
Post by: ethereumhunter on December 29, 2020, 08:45:18 AM
Yes, it is. The second lockdown will be necessary to prevent many people gets infected from the new variant of Covid-19 which already spreads to some countries. While the vaccine is not yet distributed to many hospitals and not many people get cured by the vaccine, a new virus is already attacked England, and some country prohibits for people who come from England to enter to their country. I guess the attack of the Covid-19 will continue in the next year, and with the new virus comes out, we really need to extra careful in the public area.


Title: Re: Second lockdown due to covid19 is painful
Post by: Oshosondy on December 29, 2020, 09:14:54 AM
This is not the second lockdown, it depends on the country you are from. There have been many countries that have had second lockdown since. Second lockdown has been driven as a result of the virus infecting more people after the first lock down ended. Which means for any country that has had or is having or will have second lock down or third or more, it will only be as a result to reduce the pandemic because if their is no lock down after the infection is rising in a country, it will only lead to a problem that can get all people in the country infected if their is no lock down and isolation.


Title: Re: Second lockdown due to covid19 is painful
Post by: kolesozw on December 29, 2020, 09:59:25 AM
The UK passed 40K daily cases yesterday, Germany is in a death row.

Economically it will tough January with this "new stain". The whole winter tourism is at risk, which will hit hard mountain countries like Slovenia, Italy and Austria. Maybe we will face a weaker Euro than expected.



Title: Re: Second lockdown due to covid19 is painful
Post by: Mauser on December 29, 2020, 10:29:52 AM
This is not the second lockdown, it depends on the country you are from. There have been many countries that have had second lockdown since. Second lockdown has been driven as a result of the virus infecting more people after the first lock down ended. Which means for any country that has had or is having or will have second lock down or third or more, it will only be as a result to reduce the pandemic because if their is no lock down after the infection is rising in a country, it will only lead to a problem that can get all people in the country infected if their is no lock down and isolation.

In my country it's also the second lock down and I really hope its the last one. The first lockdown was not as painful as this one. It might the case because now its winter and there are not many alternatives to staying indoor. I have a lot of hope in the vaccine to fix your way of life for 2021.


Title: Re: Second lockdown due to covid19 is painful
Post by: cheezcarls on December 29, 2020, 11:00:02 AM
I know that it feels bad to experience a second lockdown. I’ve been there before. Let me tell you what I have experienced back then. Sometime between mid-March until mid-May, I never got out of the house because I am exposed to my mom who visited a neighbor that was tagged as “Patient Under Monitoring”. First, I was quarantined for 14 days. And after the 14th day, the city declared lockdown the next day until May 15th. Only one person was authorized to go out to buy essential goods and services for 3 days a week, and the rest of us shlould stay  I was depressed those days even though that I had an online job plus other gigs like interviews, etc.

The second lockdown I’ve experienced was for the entire of September 2020, where my hometown and a few cities are under the strictest form of quarantine. But that time, I was allowed to go out anytime because I have secured an essential ID and permit days before the second lockdown occured. And of course, I am forced to buy a small bike since public transportation (e.g., jeepneys, taxis, etc.), are not allowed during the strictest quarantine measure.

Right now, we are on the lowest quarantine level until the end of January 2021.

It’s almost a “ghost town” feeling for me. I just hope that the new COVID-19 strain would not arrive here in the Philippines, as the government already taken action in banning passengers who are flying from those countries that are affected with new COVID-19 strain.

I feel for you guys who are experiencing this right now.


Title: Re: Second lockdown due to covid19 is painful
Post by: LogitechMouse on December 29, 2020, 11:17:40 AM
TBH, I don't want to say that a lockdown can happen next year if the another strain of virus that spreads faster will be on all the countries but if they can't prevent it from spreading and we all know that the strain that is first seen in UK has a 70% faster spread rate then they have no other choice but to impose another lockdown again but now it will be shorter.

Yes we all know that there are many vaccines already there unlike in the first months of 2020 but these vaccines are on its clinical trials still. I feel sad though for those people who are greatly affected by the lockdown imposed by the government in all of the countries. TBH in what I saw when they imposed lockdown, another lockdown may affect the economy worse than what it is months ago when they imposed lockdown too. There are many families affected on that time and they are slowly recovering right now but this time, there is a chance that they will not have money again since they might not work again for some time which is quite unfortunate :(.


Title: Re: Second lockdown due to covid19 is painful
Post by: Upgrade00 on December 29, 2020, 11:28:43 AM
so since the vaccine for treatment of the virus is out I think government don't have to lockdown countries again for the sake of less privileges in society,
Unfortunately, the vaccine is not evenly distributed. Richer nations have pre ordered enough to vaccinate their citizens more than one time over, but poorer nations would wait much longer to get their hands on them, so the less privileged in the society would not get the treatment as efficiently as others.
This situation makes lockdown necessary, especially in areas where the virus is still spreading fast.

It's very obvious that not all countries at these point will experience second corona virus but due to what is involve in government every country with bad eggs of leaders will use such avenue to bring economy of her country down by embezzling their funds, when looking at the ratio of affected covid19 patients of different countries is not like the way it's in 2019 when corona virus started, even in 2020 so while would government lockdown again to suffer people, my major concerns is for those living in rural area that have no furtherance.
While corruption is wide spread, effecting policies to bring the economy down doesn't really favour the government as they would be losing revenue, while they'll also need to provide relief for the masses.
In some countries the virus is worse now than it was earlier in the year.


Title: Re: Second lockdown due to covid19 is painful
Post by: Gozie51 on December 29, 2020, 01:22:59 PM
My surprise and concern is why the need for second shutdown when they say the vaccine is out and functioning? If the vaccine is active then it should be used on the affected people and not to shutdown again because it will further impoverish the countries and people more.

Shutting down will imply that vaccine is not out yet. More effort need to be made to ensure the vaccine is taking care of the covid-19 pandemic.


Title: Re: Second lockdown due to covid19 is painful
Post by: Broly46 on December 29, 2020, 01:30:09 PM
Painful???
I’m going to tell you covid will be here just like QE 1,2,3,4
Covid 2 covid 3 covid 4... yup expect to continue lock down indefinitely, it’s a good excuse to stop people going insane just like 2008-2019, the government know how effective of the covid on controlling folks they would milk it for more years to come. Who care the impact to the overall economic, you don’t adapted to the change, you get disposed of.


Title: Re: Second lockdown due to covid19 is painful
Post by: bassbity on December 29, 2020, 01:42:45 PM

It's very obvious that not all countries at these point will experience second corona virus but due to what is involve in government every country with bad eggs of leaders will use such avenue to bring economy of her country down by embezzling their funds, when looking at the ratio of affected covid19 patients of different countries is not like the way it's in 2019 when corona virus started, even in 2020 so while would government lockdown again to suffer people, my major concerns is for those living in rural area that have no furtherance. Happy New Year In advance, Keep Safe

You're right, in fact the second lockdown from corona is making everyone suffer. The embezzlement of funds is taking place behind the scenes of the national government. save each other's wealth. oppress the economy of the people who have no provision for life without any guarantee. It is unfortunate.


Title: Re: Second lockdown due to covid19 is painful
Post by: sunsilk on December 29, 2020, 02:21:11 PM
The new series of lockdowns are inevitable. With the new version or strain of the virus, the governments has to do something to lessen the transmission and avoid another huge wave and increase of active cases. And there will be also travel bans from those countries that has the new variant of the virus.

Scientists call for UK lockdown after rapid spread of Covid-19 variant (https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/dec/27/scientists-call-for-nationwide-lockdown-after-rapid-spread-of-covid-19-variant)

UK needs tighter Covid-19 rules to avert new 'catastrophe', epidemiologist warns (https://www.theedgemarkets.com/article/uk-needs-tighter-covid19-rules-avert-new-catastrophe-epidemiologist-warns)

Countries Ban Travel From U.K. in Race to Block New Covid-19 Strain (https://www.wsj.com/articles/u-k-lockdowns-prompt-travel-bans-to-block-new-covid-19-strain-11608469676)


Title: Re: Second lockdown due to covid19 is painful
Post by: oHnK on December 29, 2020, 02:41:26 PM
In my country, there has been no lockdown since the emergence of this pandemic.  The government only makes large-scale social restrictions to deal with the pandemic.  For the development of Covid-19 which has mutated in the UK and spread again to several countries, the government in my country limits the foreigners who come.  Maybe what will have an impact is on the tourism side which yesterday started to return to normal but was restricted again because visitors from outside countries were prohibited from visiting my country.


Title: Re: Second lockdown due to covid19 is painful
Post by: electronicash on December 29, 2020, 02:54:50 PM

the economy hasnt yet recover but its all going to dive once again. if we get locked up for another year i dont think many will even have to be affected anymore, some of us may simply just want to end their lives.

its neccesary as recommended by the expert. this covid will not end till humans are purged.
lockdown within the city is just not the most desirable situation, i would rather be in the middle of a jungle at least i'm out in the open.


Title: Re: Second lockdown due to covid19 is painful
Post by: Sterbens on December 29, 2020, 03:07:24 PM
should this be done by every country? locking the economy continuously and only used by certain circles. Indeed, some countries do it, because of the fear of the continuing spread, is there no solution other than lockdown? How can society survive in such an unfortunate situation?
I feel that this is just one-sided, and society has no other alternative but to follow the rules of their country. otherwise they will be penalized.


Title: Re: Second lockdown due to covid19 is painful
Post by: Cling18 on December 29, 2020, 03:36:50 PM
If it happens in our country (which is actually announced that it could possibly happen in the future), I'm sure that it would affect our economic situation negatively again. Lots of businesses would stop operating again and people would lose their source of income which would cause chaos because our government couldn't support the whole country. I'm sure that this situation might go worse in the coming days due to the new strains but we all have to be strong physically and emotionally.


Title: Re: Second lockdown due to covid19 is painful
Post by: Sapphire915 on December 29, 2020, 04:06:21 PM
Its really hard. We've been through it for several months and I can say that we are not recovering yet, financially. But if this new strain of covid-19 will rapidly spread, its really possible for lockdown to be implemented again. The Government should need to do that to protect us and the whole nation. Because in some poor countries like us, I dont think we can handle this new strain anymore. We are totally drowned with debts and we are running out of budget. But despite the limited resources in the midst of pandemic, corruptions from highest leaders are still on. This is really devastating. I just thought, we saw the light from finding the cure/the vaccine that was now out in the market. But here comes another new strain of virus, that will put us all back in the dark.  I guess, the experts will spend their whole time again finding a new vaccine for this new strain of covid-19. I dont know when all this world craziness will be over...but, one thing is for sure, a strong individual will be left in this battle of the unknown.


Title: Re: Second lockdown due to covid19 is painful
Post by: GeorgeJohn on December 29, 2020, 04:29:26 PM
No rules and regulations a country can introduce except shutdown, we really knows that shutdown is not helpng matters via corona virus Case, even been at home does not cure the virus or limit total numbers of affected people in society because during the previous lockdown, everywhere was shutdown for some period of months but the numbers of affected patients keeping on increasing, so it's not needful to shutdown while everything needed to treat it is available.

Looking at these thread some people is also emphasising that shutting down is the remedy to handle these situations, so I stand to ask while?  what we really need is adequate treatment, nose mask, to prevent our self not be contacted and keep our businesses moving, because not everyone is a working class person, we work in different fields in order to earn a living, and if protest can be carry in order to let some countries governors or head of states to stop the ideology of shutting down everywhere in January 2021 I will be happy.


Title: Re: Second lockdown due to covid19 is painful
Post by: bekti3 on December 29, 2020, 04:55:47 PM
In my country, there has been no lockdown since the emergence of this pandemic.  The government only makes large-scale social restrictions to deal with the pandemic.  For the development of Covid-19 which has mutated in the UK and spread again to several countries, the government in my country limits the foreigners who come.  Maybe what will have an impact is on the tourism side which yesterday started to return to normal but was restricted again because visitors from outside countries were prohibited from visiting my country.


I think your country is quite disciplined, but unlike the country I live in, people are fed up with government regulations that only restrict people from interacting, whereas government officials are the opposite. they held massive celebrations and caused huge crowds. but there are no sanctions, on the other hand, if there are people who crowd around, they will automatically be sanctioned and even imprisoned.
Do you see anything that is abnormal with the regulations in the country I live in?
I feel like I really am in a dictatorial country.


Title: Re: Second lockdown due to covid19 is painful
Post by: slapper on December 29, 2020, 06:55:02 PM
We can not depend on the government to save us from this pandemic. Only we have the power to stop the virus from spreading and find jobs for ourselves. Many governments are claimed to steal taxes for their personal purposes. Most of the information is locked and news that accuses them is forbidden.

Actually, traders don't lose their job during the pandemic. They only lose their money because of the high volatility of the market. However, you can prevent this by setting stop loss and always notice each movement of the market. Many people have earned quite an amount of money with a new strategy and being adapted to the new market


Title: Re: Second lockdown due to covid19 is painful
Post by: wxa7115 on December 29, 2020, 07:07:40 PM
Covid19 is really disturbing worldwide, the information passing across because of covid19 second lockdown is very strong, the previous lockdown really affects people especially trader's, entrepreneurs and many people lost their life's and siblings, so since the vaccine for treatment of the virus is out I think government don't have to lockdown countries again for the sake of less privileges in society, life is very difficult for people in rural areas and our leaders are not care to look towards the development or needs of poor's, I think government of some certain countries should remember that all hands are not equal, by following cases of covid19 with precautions instead of shutting down everywhere or making the prevent measures of corona virus to be necessary to people living in such domain, I think it should be more preferable than closing source of less privileges daily breads.
What is happening is that despite the fact many vaccines have been created and approved for use all over the world now we are in a stage in which the issue is the production and the distribution of the vaccines, the efforts are just starting and for the most part only those that are part of the healthcare industry are getting the vaccine since they are the ones that are at the most risk, there is simply not enough vaccine to justify returning to our normal activities.

But give it time, during the next 6 months the vaccine being produced will skyrocket and with it the need for new lockdowns will disappear.


Title: Re: Second lockdown due to covid19 is painful
Post by: hahay on December 29, 2020, 07:13:31 PM
In my view, people who live in rural areas will still be fine, they take advantage of agricultural and plantation products and even those seafood can still be sold and some may be consumed themselves. Therefore, I think people who live in rural areas will still be fine, different from people who live in cities who mostly rely on salaries from a company, this will have a negative impact on their own employees. So during the second lockdown I think it is used to it, because learning from the previous lockdown, at least each individual will definitely have a better plan.


Title: Re: Second lockdown due to covid19 is painful
Post by: Latviand on December 29, 2020, 07:59:09 PM
Have you heard about the new variant of Covid-19 in Europe, specifically in Italy?

It is really not that good to hear those news that can ruin our hope to go back to normal again.

If second lockdown will occur then I think most of the countries who are struggling with Covid-19 will suffer more when this new variant already spread in some areas. This new variant is really much more harder to prevent as it is much easier to transmit. If this thing started the second wave of Covid-19 then our economy will worstly go down for sure.


Title: Re: Second lockdown due to covid19 is painful
Post by: mezzaluna on December 29, 2020, 08:03:51 PM
Covid19 is really disturbing worldwide, the information passing across because of covid19 second lockdown is very strong, the previous lockdown really affects people especially trader's, entrepreneurs and many people lost their life's and siblings, so since the vaccine for treatment of the virus is out I think government don't have to lockdown countries again for the sake of less privileges in society, life is very difficult for people in rural areas and our leaders are not care to look towards the development or needs of poor's, I think government of some certain countries should remember that all hands are not equal, by following cases of covid19 with precautions instead of shutting down everywhere or making the prevent measures of corona virus to be necessary to people living in such domain, I think it should be more preferable than closing source of less privileges daily breads.

It's very obvious that not all countries at these point will experience second corona virus but due to what is involve in government every country with bad eggs of leaders will use such avenue to bring economy of her country down by embezzling their funds, when looking at the ratio of affected covid19 patients of different countries is not like the way it's in 2019 when corona virus started, even in 2020 so while would government lockdown again to suffer people, my major concerns is for those living in rural area that have no furtherance. Happy New Year In advance, Keep Safe

Its really necessary to implement this lockdowns if we want to mitigate the people getting sick and dying and with the new Corona Virus Strain which is already affecting multiple countries and not just the United Kingdom is really disturbing because the fact that even UK failed to compress or contain or quarantine this virus is really scary for third world countries.


Title: Re: Second lockdown due to covid19 is painful
Post by: Noctis Connor on December 29, 2020, 08:04:04 PM
We now in another crisis which is the virus can move to people to people that fast because of this if they don't lock down and still accept tourist from different country they will regret it again since they knew already what happened since they think that they can easily control everything even virus, Each government country should make moves to warn people ban travel in and out so we can prevent it, since we are in too much situation covid destroyed so many lives and families and still we do not have vaccine and now we have another variant of virus this is cruel. Our economy will gonna be down for sure.


Title: Re: Second lockdown due to covid19 is painful
Post by: Kong Hey Pakboy on December 29, 2020, 08:10:27 PM
In my point of view, if there will be a second lockdown due to the new COVID-19 strain, it will definitely be a problem because many businesses and employees will be interrupted that they will temporarily lose their source of income again. However, it still depend in a country if they have a huge number of cases of the new COVID-19 strain before they consider a second lockdown.


Title: Re: Second lockdown due to covid19 is painful
Post by: AniviaBtc on December 29, 2020, 08:32:54 PM
I think that here in my country, it is really possible to have a second lockdown after the government made a wrong decision to open some businesses and public transportation.

People outside are now so confident when engaging with other people and some malls are very crowded compared to when the government implemented a strict lockdown and community quarantine.

Now, that people are going outside everyday going to different places to work or to earn money, I think that it will sharply affect other factors even if they just do it for the sake of businesses and economy. Goodluck to each and everyone of us and I hope that we are safe during this Covid-19 pandemic.


Title: Re: Second lockdown due to covid19 is painful
Post by: Oasisman on December 29, 2020, 08:45:26 PM
I have talked to a biologist friend and told me something about this Covid "variant". It is actually the same Covid-19 virus that has been mutated to survive inside the human body for a longer period of time, and that means it's trying to live longer and try not to kill the host. That's less deadlier than the original strain of the covid. Mutation is part of the virus' life cycle, and so it was expected. A lot of people from the medical field has been talking about this before. However, there are instances about a more dangerous virus mutation. But, I don't think this is the case for the covid-19 because the vaccine still works against this virus.
Nevertheless, let's all still be careful and follow precautionary measures when going outside.
A lockdown 2.0 might be possible too.
But, that doesn't worry you much when you're invested in Bitcoin  ;D


Title: Re: Second lockdown due to covid19 is painful
Post by: The Sceptical Chymist on December 29, 2020, 09:09:14 PM
Unfortunately, the vaccine is not evenly distributed.
Not yet, but it will be.  The world is fortunate that a vaccine was developed this quickly, for one thing, and for another it takes time to produce vaccines in sufficient amounts to inoculate pretty much the entire world.  I have a buddy who's a physician and he just got the vaccine.  Health care workers are going to get it first, of course, and then hopefully the at-risk population, and then everyone else who wants to get it.  That's the way I'm hoping it goes.

Jeez, it sounds like there's crazy lockdowns in some countries, although I don't know where any of the people who posted here live.  My guess is that it's not in the US, because nobody's locked down here.  Everyone is taking precautions, and there are new regulations about wearing face masks, but stores and most other businesses are still open, even if it's by appointment only.

To those that are housebound around the world, I feel for you.  Try to stay busy and avoid social isolation whenever you can.  A lot of people's mental health is worsening these days because of lockdowns and everything else.  Stay positive and get that vaccine when it's available.


Title: Re: Second lockdown due to covid19 is painful
Post by: GeorgeJohn on December 29, 2020, 09:24:25 PM
Covid19 is really disturbing worldwide, the information passing across because of covid19 second lockdown is very strong, the previous lockdown really affects people especially trader's, entrepreneurs and many people lost their life's and siblings, so since the vaccine for treatment of the virus is out I think government don't have to lockdown countries again for the sake of less privileges in society, life is very difficult for people in rural areas and our leaders are not care to look towards the development or needs of poor's, I think government of some certain countries should remember that all hands are not equal, by following cases of covid19 with precautions instead of shutting down everywhere or making the prevent measures of corona virus to be necessary to people living in such domain, I think it should be more preferable than closing source of less privileges daily breads.

It's very obvious that not all countries at these point will experience second corona virus but due to what is involve in government every country with bad eggs of leaders will use such avenue to bring economy of her country down by embezzling their funds, when looking at the ratio of affected covid19 patients of different countries is not like the way it's in 2019 when corona virus started, even in 2020 so while would government lockdown again to suffer people, my major concerns is for those living in rural area that have no furtherance. Happy New Year In advance, Keep Safe

Its really necessary to implement this lockdowns if we want to mitigate the people getting sick and dying and with the new Corona Virus Strain which is already affecting multiple countries and not just the United Kingdom is really disturbing because the fact that even UK failed to compress or contain or quarantine this virus is really scary for third world countries.
See, mate, what is going to be our profit if we are asked to be at home for three months when we have prevent measure of corona virus, the problem is that during the previous lockdown many people passed through pains at home because their are no enough food to eat and other necessity, supporting such implement is not ideals, do not consider lockdown implementation because government is right but in the aspect of poor masses.


Title: Re: Second lockdown due to covid19 is painful
Post by: Twinkledoe on December 29, 2020, 09:35:59 PM
Unfortunately, the vaccine is not evenly distributed.
Not yet, but it will be.  The world is fortunate that a vaccine was developed this quickly, for one thing, and for another it takes time to produce vaccines in sufficient amounts to inoculate pretty much the entire world.  I have a buddy who's a physician and he just got the vaccine.  Health care workers are going to get it first, of course, and then hopefully the at-risk population, and then everyone else who wants to get it.  That's the way I'm hoping it goes.

Jeez, it sounds like there's crazy lockdowns in some countries, although I don't know where any of the people who posted here live.  My guess is that it's not in the US, because nobody's locked down here.  Everyone is taking precautions, and there are new regulations about wearing face masks, but stores and most other businesses are still open, even if it's by appointment only.

To those that are housebound around the world, I feel for you.  Try to stay busy and avoid social isolation whenever you can.  A lot of people's mental health is worsening these days because of lockdowns and everything else.  Stay positive and get that vaccine when it's available.

Yes, we need to be grateful that vaccine has been rolling-out now. It is understandable, that health care workers will get it first as they are vulnerable because of their work. With the new variant of Covid- we do need to take health protocols seriously. While we are still waiting our chance to get the covid shot, make sure that you are taking care of yourself not to get infected.


Title: Re: Second lockdown due to covid19 is painful
Post by: Upgrade00 on December 29, 2020, 09:57:14 PM
Not yet, but it will be.
Hope so. Last time I checked, my country were trying to get a loan to enable us get the vaccine down here faster, this would mean more economic debt, but if it leads to the end of the pandemic here, would be worth it.

A lot of people's mental health is worsening these days because of lockdowns and everything else.  Stay positive and get that vaccine when it's available.
Health care workers in the front line would be most affected and in need to therapy. Due to their constant risk of exposure to the virus, they have been forced to avoid their homes and family members for prolonged periods of time as well as being the ones to witness first hand the effect of the virus.


Title: Re: Second lockdown due to covid19 is painful
Post by: Hamphser on December 29, 2020, 10:10:43 PM
Covid19 is really disturbing worldwide, the information passing across because of covid19 second lockdown is very strong, the previous lockdown really affects people especially trader's, entrepreneurs and many people lost their life's and siblings, so since the vaccine for treatment of the virus is out I think government don't have to lockdown countries again for the sake of less privileges in society, life is very difficult for people in rural areas and our leaders are not care to look towards the development or needs of poor's, I think government of some certain countries should remember that all hands are not equal, by following cases of covid19 with precautions instead of shutting down everywhere or making the prevent measures of corona virus to be necessary to people living in such domain, I think it should be more preferable than closing source of less privileges daily breads.

It's very obvious that not all countries at these point will experience second corona virus but due to what is involve in government every country with bad eggs of leaders will use such avenue to bring economy of her country down by embezzling their funds, when looking at the ratio of affected covid19 patients of different countries is not like the way it's in 2019 when corona virus started, even in 2020 so while would government lockdown again to suffer people, my major concerns is for those living in rural area that have no furtherance. Happy New Year In advance, Keep Safe

You got actually some points but not all governments doesnt really mind off about their citizens current situation and for you to say that they dont really care at all.
If you do think then is there any choice that they would able to make? None! If they wont lockdown then they would be suffering even more in terms of medical aspect or sector
which means that will really be a huge impact into economy as well where lots will get infected if they wont really be making such health protocol.
Second lockdown might or might not happen in some countries yet that new strain of Covid virus isnt still too scattered.


Title: Re: Second lockdown due to covid19 is painful
Post by: inoes on December 29, 2020, 11:52:55 PM
Does this have something to do with the mutation of a new type of corona virus with the name VUI 202012/01 which originally appeared in the UK? so everyone panicked on the grounds that the genetic “spike” protein of the virus could be the cause of the direct and easy spread of the virus between humans. even though I would rather agree if the handlers use enough vaccines and good nutrition for the community. Didn't we learn for the last 10 months? that the lock down is less effective.


Title: Re: Second lockdown due to covid19 is painful
Post by: jaysabi on December 30, 2020, 12:31:38 AM
Didn't we learn for the last 10 months? that the lock down is less effective.

No, what we learned is that the stricter the lockdown was the less community spread there was and the fewer hospitalizations and deaths that followed. The data shows a direct contradiction of what you said, in that the lockdowns are effective at slowing the spread. The places with the largest problems are the places with the laxest lockdowns.


Title: Re: Second lockdown due to covid19 is painful
Post by: raidarksword on December 30, 2020, 12:33:56 AM
We saw this coming long far enough hence majority of people too complacent and obviously didn't follow simple safety protocols. Even with the pandemic, people still going outside like nothing happened around and going on vacation and going public parties because of their boredom in their homes. We just have to accept these scenarios and prepare for worst hence the virus also mutated and lockdowns are now implemented again.


Title: Re: Second lockdown due to covid19 is painful
Post by: ethereumhunter on December 30, 2020, 07:17:59 AM
We hope the new virus is not spread to many countries, and the government can handle the new virus and infected people before it spreads to many people. This situation needs awareness from the government, people, and we need to work together to prevent the new case which already happens. I believe that we still have a hope to see the virus will end soon.


Title: Re: Second lockdown due to covid19 is painful
Post by: Deddyhoku on December 30, 2020, 08:25:14 AM
Every day of lockdown is killing more and more small business. Economic consequences will be dramatic


Title: Re: Second lockdown due to covid19 is painful
Post by: Phantomberry on December 30, 2020, 08:39:54 AM
I hope everyone is safe in this situation this second lockdown is much strict compared to the 1st lockdown. This coronavirus is mutating and much faster to spread compared to the first case in China. But we hope next year all vaccines produced by the other country could fight this virus and put it in the end.


Title: Re: Second lockdown due to covid19 is painful
Post by: bakasabo on December 30, 2020, 09:11:38 AM
Every day of lockdown is killing more and more small business. Economic consequences will be dramatic

Small business is already dead since Summer. Now all others are under pressure.

Since summer, number of cases in my country increases 10-15 times. We still dont have a total lockdown, but have several stupid limitations. It is not allowed to trade several goods (government prohibit to trade all the goods that are not first necessity goods) and shops working hours has been reduced. Logic is following - if you still can trade, you must trade. But if you work, you wont get a financial support from government. That was all announced before xmas. That all caused huge queues in shops, where no one follow 2m rule. That lead to number of cases increases...


Title: Re: Second lockdown due to covid19 is painful
Post by: nemey on December 30, 2020, 11:37:09 AM
With the news that there will be a second lockdown in the Covid19 outbreak, it has made many people nervous. And I also really felt the impact firsthand as an entrepreneur. Because the business I am doing now has a big loss. And I even rely solely on bounties and assets in crypto right now.


Title: Re: Second lockdown due to covid19 is painful
Post by: arwin100 on December 30, 2020, 12:06:17 PM
The second lockdown is painful, but the governments didn't had any other choice. Many of the European countries are reporting record number of new cases, and the new strain (which is more contagious) has everyone on their toes. Hopefully, this will be the last lockdown, as the vaccination program has started. By end end of 2021, we won't be needing any lockdown or social distancing, if the vaccination is effective.
Hopefully, the vaccine that will be distributed soon will be the final cure of all these viruses so we can live back to normal. It's sad to say but i guess lockdown of the countries who have positive cases should be strictly done so that the spread of this new strain of virus will now be stop. And of course cooperation of all citizens can be of great help to stop the virus from infecting people.

The health experts doesn't know if the vaccine will work with the new variant spreading in some countries right now so maybe the one we should pray right now is hopefully the authorities will successful stop the spread of mutated covid-19 since if another outbreak will come provably it will take another year to develop another working vaccine to fight it.

And if another series of lockdown will happen for sure the 3rd world countries will get affected to much on it since for sure there economy are still crippled and we don't know if there's governments support will be given if that will happen again.


Title: Re: Second lockdown due to covid19 is painful
Post by: AjithBtc on December 30, 2020, 12:49:05 PM
In my country people coming from Britain is tested for covid-19. As a result 17 persons were tested positive for covid-19 and one person has got the new form of covid-19. The government is taking necessary steps to stop the movement of people and guidelines for safety. I don't think the country will go for a second lockdown.


Title: Re: Second lockdown due to covid19 is painful
Post by: el kaka22 on December 30, 2020, 01:35:38 PM
It's very obvious that not all countries at these point will experience second corona virus but due to what is involve in government every country with bad eggs of leaders will use such avenue to bring economy of her country down by embezzling their funds, when looking at the ratio of affected covid19 patients of different countries is not like the way it's in 2019 when corona virus started, even in 2020 so while would government lockdown again to suffer people, my major concerns is for those living in rural area that have no furtherance.
While corruption is wide spread, effecting policies to bring the economy down doesn't really favour the government as they would be losing revenue, while they'll also need to provide relief for the masses.
In some countries the virus is worse now than it was earlier in the year.
Corruption is definitely one of the worst things about this situation. We are dying, people are literally dying right now and governments are basically trying to hide the real numbers in many nations and try to get as much money from this excess economy as they can.

The economy is doing a lot worse than usual, 2020 has been very difficult for us but for governments as well, there were tons of taxes lost for them, which means they couldn't make the same amount of money personally as well from all the corruption, so they have increased their corruption to make as much as they used to make, and considering we are out of money, they had to take out the last dimes we had. This corona virus showed the world the worst part of humanity, if it works for the best of you, if you could even just change your 1 million dollar car for 2 million dollar car, many people let thousands die for it. It is a shame we live in this type of world.


Title: Re: Second lockdown due to covid19 is painful
Post by: Smartprofit on December 30, 2020, 02:09:21 PM
My surprise and concern is why the need for second shutdown when they say the vaccine is out and functioning? If the vaccine is active then it should be used on the affected people and not to shutdown again because it will further impoverish the countries and people more.

Shutting down will imply that vaccine is not out yet. More effort need to be made to ensure the vaccine is taking care of the covid-19 pandemic.

I wouldn't count too much on the Covid-19 vaccine.  The vaccine has helped eradicate many diseases, such as smallpox, but not all diseases can be eradicated with a vaccine.  If we talk about viral and respiratory diseases, then, as a rule, people coped with epidemics of these diseases without vaccines.  Every fall and spring, people get sick with colds and flu.  This is considered normal, although some people in poor health die from these diseases.  The vaccine can cause the virus to mutate, this is the main danger.  

Moreover, many vaccines have been created, and some people categorically refuse to be vaccinated.  

The virus mutates more strongly during vaccination (the virus is also alive and its goal is to survive).  In general, mankind does not know much about viruses.


Title: Re: Second lockdown due to covid19 is painful
Post by: plvbob0070 on December 30, 2020, 02:24:11 PM
A second lockdown might still happen since there's a threat of a new strain of the virus that is more contagious. Although we heard the news that there are already vaccines available, we still need to be careful since the distribution of the vaccine is not as fast as how the virus spreads. To avoid another lockdown, people should keep following the strict protocol and refrain from going too much outside for unnecessary occasions, it's the best we can do.


Title: Re: Second lockdown due to covid19 is painful
Post by: DrBeer on December 30, 2020, 03:17:02 PM
From the point of view of the spread of the virus, vaccination (with an effective vaccine) will give quite a quick, tangible and positive result. Even with the high virulence of Covid19, the 90-95% effectiveness of the vaccine will reduce the area of ​​possible infection to almost a few percent of the population. This will make it possible to "break" the chain of the spread of the virus and significantly reduce the burden on medical facilities and the medical system as a whole. And if vaccination is delivered as a systemic process, then in 2021 we will be able to say goodbye to Covid19 and its variations, and begin to rebuild the economy after the pandemic.
The only question that remains is whether there will be subjects who will not accept such a course of history ... Will there not be countries / governments that just need a global collapse and a global global crisis ...

PS Himself was ill with Covid19 at the beginning of this December - I highly recommend taking care of yourself and not taking risks, the disease is extremely unpleasant both by the process of the disease and the consequences. Consequences as for me the biggest problem


Title: Re: Second lockdown due to covid19 is painful
Post by: $crypto$ on December 30, 2020, 04:08:56 PM
A second lockdown might still happen since there's a threat of a new strain of the virus that is more contagious. Although we heard the news that there are already vaccines available, we still need to be careful since the distribution of the vaccine is not as fast as how the virus spreads. To avoid another lockdown, people should keep following the strict protocol and refrain from going too much outside for unnecessary occasions, it's the best we can do.
I saw about the new virus and a lot of news that has published it, this is a new threat to all of us that maybe this is more virulent than before, the vaccines that are already available I do not guarantee their health will be more immune if they do not maintain the protocol that is applied because it is the main key to maintaining health.
The second lockdown has been implemented, I see the local government has implemented it even an appeal not to celebrate new tofu and holidays for now for the sake of other interests so as not to spread to others.


Title: Re: Second lockdown due to covid19 is painful
Post by: Rengga Jati on December 30, 2020, 04:12:02 PM
This is phase wave 2 of this pandemic happening, and what's worse is that the virus has mutated and is getting worse. Maybe we are used to this condition sometimes, but of course, we always hope that this pandemic will end quickly, right? However, the reality is that this pandemic is getting higher, even worse in some countries.

And indeed, this New Year and various other major events in my country should not be held by gathering a crowd, this is to reduce the number of the increasing spread of the virus. But the bad thing is, not all people understand this. Many of them remain on vacation regardless of health protocol. This is sad. When we are desperately trying to get up for the sake of health and also the economy, it happens that they easily violate health protocols just for a vacation.


Title: Re: Second lockdown due to covid19 is painful
Post by: oHnK on December 30, 2020, 04:14:40 PM
Corruption is definitely one of the worst things about this situation. We are dying, people are literally dying right now and governments are basically trying to hide the real numbers in many nations and try to get as much money from this excess economy as they can.

Yes, it's the worst among the bad ones.  What is the proper punishment for those who steal in the midst of a natural disaster?  is he still worthy to live?  At a time when all countries are coping with the pandemic in a decisive way, one of the main ministers who administered aid funds for the public during the pandemic is corrupting covid-19 funds in my country.  Since that is the behavior of the representatives of the people today.  The hardest gets harder, the hungry die of hunger.  And officials remain rich because of their positions.


Title: Re: Second lockdown due to covid19 is painful
Post by: jaberwock on December 30, 2020, 04:34:42 PM
The health experts doesn't know if the vaccine will work with the new variant spreading in some countries right now so maybe the one we should pray right now is hopefully the authorities will successful stop the spread of mutated covid-19 since if another outbreak will come provably it will take another year to develop another working vaccine to fight it.

And if another series of lockdown will happen for sure the 3rd world countries will get affected to much on it since for sure there economy are still crippled and we don't know if there's governments support will be given if that will happen again.
Health experts are not sure about the vaccine being "as efficient" on the new string of it. They are sure about it being helpful for sure, hell eating orange is helpful against corona, I am not even joking about it because eating orange will give you C vitamin which is good to increase your metabolism which is important to fight against Covid. Obviously you can't just be fine by eating orange and doing nothing else, that would be silly, which means it is not as helpful as a vaccine, but it is a tiny bit better than not eating it.

So, what we are not sure about (and health experts plus the whole world thinks the same) the vaccine we have for covid 19 will be also very good for the new string of covid as well, the only thing we are not entirely sure about is how much it will be helpful, for covid 19 they see 90%+ success rate, but with the new one that could drop as much as 50% who knows?


Title: Re: Second lockdown due to covid19 is painful
Post by: Tahsin Kabir Kollol on December 30, 2020, 05:48:05 PM
The second lockdown has been a major setback for ordinary people, especially businesses, entrepreneurs, and low-income workers, as the Corona epidemic has hit the world for a long time and has taken a heavy toll on the economy. Governments in many countries have already imposed special measures to prevent the Corona Epidemic Second push in their countries and in some cases have announced lockdowns to prevent it before the situation escalates. Although these decisions are in the public interest, the inability to provide adequate incentives and financial assistance has led to a massive economic crisis among the people, which is causing suffering to the common man.


Title: Re: Second lockdown due to covid19 is painful
Post by: GbitG on December 30, 2020, 06:09:35 PM
I just hope leaders of every country would learn the lesson from 2020 because having a lockdown is quite annoying and stressful. I don't even know if there's an end of this pandemic because viruses keep on mutating which means scientist and experts will have to start again, although they won't be starting from nothing because they have samples already but the development of a new vaccine would take a while again.
Currently we are facing some serious challenges just because of this Covid-19 and media is also doing very poor in this all because most of time they are spreading this all without any serious case for world leaders and scientists its already big threat if they feel because this is killing many countries those are already in troubles specially middle class and lower class peoples are facing big problems they have no alternative and authorities in many countries fail to reach them which can cause more issues in near future.


Title: Re: Second lockdown due to covid19 is painful
Post by: Quidat on December 30, 2020, 06:35:49 PM
I just hope leaders of every country would learn the lesson from 2020 because having a lockdown is quite annoying and stressful. I don't even know if there's an end of this pandemic because viruses keep on mutating which means scientist and experts will have to start again, although they won't be starting from nothing because they have samples already but the development of a new vaccine would take a while again.

On this thing where it do sucks on when you do have already the cure or vaccine of that 2019 nCov and now we do already have that nCov 2.0 or 2020 which is really much worst than on that primary one.
It is gradually spreading out now and this will be an inevitable thing that there might be some an another lockdown on some countries or closing their boarders in earlier time yet they had already learned
their past mistakes on not taking seriously when that ncov 2019 do happen. As if there would be some other options aside on not making a lockdown? To prevent the spread then it might be
a hard decision to be made by the government but there wont be no other choice.


Title: Re: Second lockdown due to covid19 is painful
Post by: jrrsparkles on December 30, 2020, 06:48:59 PM
Covid19 is really disturbing worldwide, the information passing across because of covid19 second lockdown is very strong, the previous lockdown really affects people especially trader's, entrepreneurs and many people lost their life's and siblings, so since the vaccine for treatment of the virus is out I think government don't have to lockdown countries again for the sake of less privileges in society, life is very difficult for people in rural areas and our leaders are not care to look towards the development or needs of poor's, I think government of some certain countries should remember that all hands are not equal, by following cases of covid19 with precautions instead of shutting down everywhere or making the prevent measures of corona virus to be necessary to people living in such domain, I think it should be more preferable than closing source of less privileges daily breads.

It's very obvious that not all countries at these point will experience second corona virus but due to what is involve in government every country with bad eggs of leaders will use such avenue to bring economy of her country down by embezzling their funds, when looking at the ratio of affected covid19 patients of different countries is not like the way it's in 2019 when corona virus started, even in 2020 so while would government lockdown again to suffer people, my major concerns is for those living in rural area that have no furtherance. Happy New Year In advance, Keep Safe
We maybe told that we already found the vaccine for corona but in reality we are still not 100%, even if we found the perfect vaccine still it takes too long time to produce them for the everyone in your country and also the second lockdown is happening due to the mutated version of covid 19 so this is not the exact virus we had in the past so actual vaccine we found earlier is not going to work with the new one.


Title: Re: Second lockdown due to covid19 is painful
Post by: hulla on December 30, 2020, 07:59:44 PM
Whatever we say is of no use to the governments because they used to their abuse of power and they will always do what suits them so I don't think anyone needs to remind the governments about how things are difficult for the poor during the first total lockdown but it sad we only have the government, not a true leader and I wonder how things will be for the masses if their no existence of Bitcoin.


A second lockdown might still happen since there's a threat of a new strain of the virus that is more contagious. Although we heard the news that there are already vaccines available, we still need to be careful since the distribution of the vaccine is not as fast as how the virus spreads. To avoid another lockdown, people should keep following the strict protocol and refrain from going too much outside for unnecessary occasions, it's the best we can do.
I also heard in the news about a new strain virus which was detected in the UK and was said to be found on travelers from South Africa but I still don't see any reason for the lockdown which the government should know by now that it actually doesn't solve the virus issue but worsen the country economy and what I think should be their focus now is how to fast provide the vaccine and quarantine every arrival into the country.


Title: Re: Second lockdown due to covid19 is painful
Post by: bosede1 on December 30, 2020, 08:21:10 PM
Many Countries have been making announcements concerning the measures to put in place as to be saved. In my Country, as of this minute, there is no total lockdown yet but during the first phase of this lockdown sincerely some government supply basic needs for the people so I think this time around it will be better.


Title: Re: Second lockdown due to covid19 is painful
Post by: goldade on December 30, 2020, 08:35:30 PM
Although you're right about government of some countries especially in Africa using the second lockdown as an opportunity to embezzled funds meant for the people, I believe it is still necessary to curb the spread of the virus and reduce significantly the number of casualties.
Imagine if the number of cases and casualties we'll have now if we didn't have the first lockdown. All those who go to stadiums to watch a game would get infected, people in the market area would get infected, everybody in churches and mosques would also get infected.
As much the lockdown affects businesses and individuals, I believe it's a necessary measure to fight the virus.


Title: Re: Second lockdown due to covid19 is painful
Post by: GeorgeJohn on December 30, 2020, 10:02:52 PM
Many Countries have been making announcements concerning the measures to put in place as to be saved. In my Country, as of this minute, there is no total lockdown yet but during the first phase of this lockdown sincerely some government supply basic needs for the people so I think this time around it will be better.
It's very clear that countries differs, a country that have their citizens at heart will ensure they have provide all the necessary needs that will enable their people or her people to earn a better living, many leaders are conscious of enrichment of their families and their relatives, so is not rail to have a good government that will care if citizens have taken three square meal a day, so locking down can't solve our problem.


Title: Re: Second lockdown due to covid19 is painful
Post by: AndySt on December 30, 2020, 11:02:26 PM
Although you're right about government of some countries especially in Africa using the second lockdown as an opportunity to embezzled funds meant for the people, I believe it is still necessary to curb the spread of the virus and reduce significantly the number of casualties.
Imagine if the number of cases and casualties we'll have now if we didn't have the first lockdown. All those who go to stadiums to watch a game would get infected, people in the market area would get infected, everybody in churches and mosques would also get infected.
As much the lockdown affects businesses and individuals, I believe it's a necessary measure to fight the virus.
Until the collective immunity of the population is developed, governments will still be forced to impose isolation to one degree or another, and this fact must be accepted. And normal collective immunity without off-scale mortality can be developed only through mass vaccination of the population, whatever conspiracy theories certain people try to use, but the potential side effects of the vaccine do not go to any comparison with the consequences of the pandemic.


Title: Re: Second lockdown due to covid19 is painful
Post by: Shasha80 on December 30, 2020, 11:09:56 PM
I agree that the second lockdown will be very painful, but we have to follow government rules and have to think positively that the government is
doing it for a good cause, and for the good of mankind. Everyone must be depressed because the COVID-19 pandemic that is happening now is
not over.

Therefore, we have to make sacrifices by accepting the government's decision to carry out a second lockdown to reduce the spread of COVID-19.
We all have to remember that COVID-19 is a common enemy, so we suggest accepting the second lockdown sincerely. Although I also understand
that the impact on the economy is enormous, but lockdown is the fastest way to prevent the spread of the virus.


Title: Re: Second lockdown due to covid19 is painful
Post by: ethereumhunter on December 31, 2020, 08:00:16 AM
We hope the new virus is not spread to many countries, and the government can handle the new virus and infected people before it spreads to many people. This situation needs awareness from the government, people, and we need to work together to prevent the new case which already happens. I believe that we still have a hope to see the virus will end soon.
While it's still early for this second wave of corona virus, i think a lockdown should be immediately imposed before the situation gets worsen and many people will be infected with this new strain of corona virus. Our economy may not have recovered yet but this second wave will surely bring down the economy again so an immediate action from the government is highly needed.

The second wave already happens in England, and that makes the government lockdown their country. The other countries follow to lockdown their country from the foreign people who visit their country, and if they already arrive at the airport, the government will make sure that they quarantine that passenger and make sure they are clean before they entering their country. It is another hard work for the government, doctor and nurse, and all people to prevent the attack from the new virus.


Title: Re: Second lockdown due to covid19 is painful
Post by: bakasabo on December 31, 2020, 04:59:16 PM
The government has set a rule that is not allowed to be outside the house from 22:00 to 05:00. Guess what - 5000+ people were caught last night and fined with 500-2000 EUR. Also due to such limitation and limitation to buy goods, people in queues managed to increase amount of cases from 1000 to 2000. It is like government is doing everything not to stop, but to increase number of cases. Strange tactics...


Title: Re: Second lockdown due to covid19 is painful
Post by: fahmimajannat on December 31, 2020, 05:24:20 PM
Yeah It's very painful. Everything is being hampered by this pandemic. People of low income are suffering more. But hampering whole World's economy recklessly. Lockdowns are so painful. It's quite boring to spend whole day at home. Hopefully we can overcome this pandemic as soon as possible by the grace of allah.


Title: Re: Second lockdown due to covid19 is painful
Post by: n0ne on December 31, 2020, 09:21:01 PM
Most of the people find it painful, just because they weren't able to celebrate the new year. Second lockdown isn't followed strictly on most of the countries. Very few countries have imposed it very strict, because it has begun to spread faster in those regions than rest of the world. In my country lockdown is there, but people have started to move normally same as the days before lockdown.


Title: Re: Second lockdown due to covid19 is painful
Post by: Mpamaegbu on January 01, 2021, 07:06:24 AM
Yes, it is. The second lockdown will be necessary to prevent many people gets infected from the new variant of Covid-19 which already spreads to some countries. While the vaccine is not yet distributed to many hospitals and not many people get cured by the vaccine, a new virus is already attacked England, and some country prohibits for people who come from England to enter to their country. I guess the attack of the Covid-19 will continue in the next year, and with the new virus comes out, we really need to extra careful in the public area.
So, who do we blame here for the vaccine not getting distributed after it was confirmed it has a 90% cure rate? Pfizer has made the vaccine, yet countries aren't getting it. Sometimes, happenings like this make one think that there's more to this than meets the eye. Honestly, you can't help but draw that conclusion. Is the virus story a way for these leaders to drastically reduce the world population without looking murderous? And at the same time make wealth for a selected few. I am beginning to think in that direction, frankly.


Title: Re: Second lockdown due to covid19 is painful
Post by: Psynthax on January 01, 2021, 09:31:33 AM
It will damage the economy a lot and that's for sure. Most of us already struggling with the unstable economy with the first wave covid and lockdowns now we need to face the second lockdown. Imagine already broke and get even more broke leaving us with nothing. Also, the vaccine distribution will take time as well so its not gonna end anytime soon.


Title: Re: Second lockdown due to covid19 is painful
Post by: ethereumhunter on January 01, 2021, 09:34:13 AM
Yes, it is. The second lockdown will be necessary to prevent many people gets infected from the new variant of Covid-19 which already spreads to some countries. While the vaccine is not yet distributed to many hospitals and not many people get cured by the vaccine, a new virus is already attacked England, and some country prohibits for people who come from England to enter to their country. I guess the attack of the Covid-19 will continue in the next year, and with the new virus comes out, we really need to extra careful in the public area.
So, who do we blame here for the vaccine not getting distributed after it was confirmed it has a 90% cure rate? Pfizer has made the vaccine, yet countries aren't getting it. Sometimes, happenings like this make one think that there's more to this than meets the eye. Honestly, you can't help but draw that conclusion. Is the virus story a way for these leaders to drastically reduce the world population without looking murderous? And at the same time make wealth for a selected few. I am beginning to think in that direction, frankly.

Yes, I know there is no point to blame, but we can see what happens in many countries. People affected by the virus are waiting to get the vaccine, while the priority to get the vaccine will be the doctor, nurse, and the public government. But soon, in the next phase, the vaccine will be distributed to the right people who affect the virus. I do not think that the virus story will be the way to reduce the world populations, but if that is true, the leaders should be blamed because they use this dirty way to their people.


Title: Re: Second lockdown due to covid19 is painful
Post by: oHnK on January 01, 2021, 09:50:36 AM
So, who do we blame here for the vaccine not getting distributed after it was confirmed it has a 90% cure rate? Pfizer has made the vaccine, yet countries aren't getting it. Sometimes, happenings like this make one think that there's more to this than meets the eye. Honestly, you can't help but draw that conclusion. Is the virus story a way for these leaders to drastically reduce the world population without looking murderous? And at the same time make wealth for a selected few. I am beginning to think in that direction, frankly.

There is no one to blame, but in this desperate situation people will start thinking about things like this, why did the government let go?  Is this a step to reduce the population?  Several times I thought the same thing.  When will this pandemic end?  Recently news about the development of a virus that is getting more and more virulent, with a very fast spreading speed, even a vaccine will not be able to eradicate this virus.  If this omission is really done by the officials of the country, they really deserve to be blamed.


Title: Re: Second lockdown due to covid19 is painful
Post by: 7788bitcoin on January 01, 2021, 10:38:58 AM
So, what we are not sure about (and health experts plus the whole world thinks the same) the vaccine we have for covid 19 will be also very good for the new string of covid as well, the only thing we are not entirely sure about is how much it will be helpful, for covid 19 they see 90%+ success rate, but with the new one that could drop as much as 50% who knows?
The issue is that we are not certain about the vaccine, i have seen reports that some are having serious side affects after taking the dosage and the new strain is serious as it is spreading rapidly than the first one and hence every country is forced to shut down once again to combat the spread and that is the only steps a government can take but it is a huge toll on the common citizens and the success rate of these vaccines are uncertain and there is no clarity regarding it.


Title: Re: Second lockdown due to covid19 is painful
Post by: Botnake on January 01, 2021, 10:50:33 AM
So, what we are not sure about (and health experts plus the whole world thinks the same) the vaccine we have for covid 19 will be also very good for the new string of covid as well, the only thing we are not entirely sure about is how much it will be helpful, for covid 19 they see 90%+ success rate, but with the new one that could drop as much as 50% who knows?
The issue is that we are not certain about the vaccine, i have seen reports that some are having serious side affects after taking the dosage and the new strain is serious as it is spreading rapidly than the first one and hence every country is forced to shut down once again to combat the spread and that is the only steps a government can take but it is a huge toll on the common citizens and the success rate of these vaccines are uncertain and there is no clarity regarding it.
If getting vaccinated is not compulsory, I think I would not allow myself to get injected with the vaccine, or however its down. We trust the creator of the vaccine but at least we give some time to observe and see the effect. There's been vaccine now from different pharmaceuticals but there's still doubts from some people, but I hope we will not suffer from any side effect as this is another problem especially if side effect may take months to feel and see.


Title: Re: Second lockdown due to covid19 is painful
Post by: Oakey22 on January 01, 2021, 10:52:42 AM
I don't think I will be getting rhe vaccine either unless they make it compulsory. I imagine you will be forced in to it though by making it impossible to travel abroad without it.


Title: Re: Second lockdown due to covid19 is painful
Post by: jacafbiz on January 01, 2021, 11:51:27 AM
I don't understand the need for this second lock down, to me it seems those profiting from it don't want it to end, what about the vaccine that they promoted with high effective rate. People need to watch out and vote out all these decision makers, big companies are opened and have eaten dip into small business do they think all these airdrop is going to bring back those businesses that are already dead.


Title: Re: Second lockdown due to covid19 is painful
Post by: Furious 7 on January 01, 2021, 12:08:09 PM
So, what we are not sure about (and health experts plus the whole world thinks the same) the vaccine we have for covid 19 will be also very good for the new string of covid as well, the only thing we are not entirely sure about is how much it will be helpful, for covid 19 they see 90%+ success rate, but with the new one that could drop as much as 50% who knows?
The issue is that we are not certain about the vaccine, i have seen reports that some are having serious side affects after taking the dosage and the new strain is serious as it is spreading rapidly than the first one and hence every country is forced to shut down once again to combat the spread and that is the only steps a government can take but it is a huge toll on the common citizens and the success rate of these vaccines are uncertain and there is no clarity regarding it.
If getting vaccinated is not compulsory, I think I would not allow myself to get injected with the vaccine, or however its down. We trust the creator of the vaccine but at least we give some time to observe and see the effect. There's been vaccine now from different pharmaceuticals but there's still doubts from some people, but I hope we will not suffer from any side effect as this is another problem especially if side effect may take months to feel and see.
I also think the same thing where there are side effects after being vaccinated, I know a vaccine is now available but I think we have to think about the side effects and of course the research must be done immediately and I don't want the first injection horrified for me after seeing there some failures that occur therefore will keep me in shape so as not to be vaccinated.

Will the government already bear all the risks if there are effects that occur later? That is what is still worrying about even I saw the video whether it was true or not someone was given the vaccine but after that he passed out.


Title: Re: Second lockdown due to covid19 is painful
Post by: Majharul Saiif on January 01, 2021, 03:32:37 PM
This is painful because the first lockdown in 2020 was the time that I never forget the situation in the whole world. The ratio of death in several countries makes me feel that what is the value of life. The most important thing is people lost their work, world economy damaged badly. But this situation continued for a few months after that people affect less than before and everything becoming stable step by step. But at this time covid increase suddenly and it worried the world again. So the second lockdown is considered for the save of human life.


Title: Re: Second lockdown due to covid19 is painful
Post by: Casdinyard on January 01, 2021, 03:55:16 PM
I don't understand the need for this second lock down, to me it seems those profiting from it don't want it to end, what about the vaccine that they promoted with high effective rate. People need to watch out and vote out all these decision makers, big companies are opened and have eaten dip into small business do they think all these airdrop is going to bring back those businesses that are already dead.
Lock downs are meant to slow down the spread of the virus. There are still cases and as policies got lighter recently, many people are not being careful with their actions thinking that the virus is not that of a threat anymore unlike when this pandemic started. Lock downs were impose to promote discipline given that many people are not responsible imposing it to themselves. With this being said, lockdowns would help countries but will also damage the economy so it is a two-way condition if I would be asked. Well it is indeed true that there are people and businesses taking advantage of the situation but such thing happens even on a normal day basis so we just cannot do something about it. What's more needed is us being a responsible citizens to avoid lockdowns and stop the spread of this virus as muhh as possible. Vaccines would aid, but since such thing will not come in an instant, we better start with ourselves.


Title: Re: Second lockdown due to covid19 is painful
Post by: pecson134 on January 01, 2021, 04:46:20 PM
I don't want this to become an endless cycle of vaccine and new strain but from what the looks of it currently, it was going to be case. Unless everyone follows protocols and just wait for the vaccine to be distributed then this would not aggravate the situation.


Title: Re: Second lockdown due to covid19 is painful
Post by: BITCOIN4X on January 01, 2021, 05:50:49 PM
I have received a text message from a government agency stating that I am a potential vaccine recipient. But to be honest, I'm not really sure about taking it because basically I'm still wondering whether a vaccine is needed to prevent Covid or not. The lockdown in my place was carried out at the beginning of the widespread spread of Covid and this is the government's effort to prevent people from being infected and I think this effort has had a positive impact on the many cases found in my area. To this day I have not detected that a second lockdown is urgently needed and it is very clear that most of the people in my place no longer believe that Covid is real as they fear it.

The rule now is to take care of yourself and maintain a healthy body by leading a healthy life and adhering to health protocols. The existing vaccines may be distributed soon.


Title: Re: Second lockdown due to covid19 is painful
Post by: acener on January 01, 2021, 07:35:21 PM
Yes lockdown is hard for everyone specially those who have only little amount of savings to survive it.
Not everyone could carelessly agree to a lockdown because they don't have enough food for the entire time of the lockdown.
But we also should know that the lockdown is for our own safety to prevent the virus from spreading.
Let's just hope that everyone could survive it prevention is better than cure.


Title: Re: Second lockdown due to covid19 is painful
Post by: Lanatsa on January 01, 2021, 07:57:26 PM
Yes lockdown is hard for everyone specially those who have only little amount of savings to survive it.
Not everyone could carelessly agree to a lockdown because they don't have enough food for the entire time of the lockdown.
But we also should know that the lockdown is for our own safety to prevent the virus from spreading.
Let's just hope that everyone could survive it prevention is better than cure.
That's the reality that we cant avoid on where there are people who can and cant able to survive due to financial aspect or capability. Not all does indeed able to have enough savings
even if they do lost their job they can still able to sustain themselves amidst of a possible lockdown.

We have seen already the effects and devastation of the recent lockdowns that we had experienced and if we would possibly be experiencing it again
for this year then that would be a really hard situation once again.

It would really be painful even more because not all had able to get their jobs back or able to find new one.


Title: Re: Second lockdown due to covid19 is painful
Post by: bakasabo on January 01, 2021, 08:01:49 PM
Does anyone have an information about: those lucky people who got vaccine shots, should they be on a lockdown together with others or they are free to walk anywhere they want, probably not even wearing mask? Or is a vaccinated person still can be a virus carrier and infect other people?


Title: Re: Second lockdown due to covid19 is painful
Post by: Wawa2013 on January 01, 2021, 08:49:33 PM
It is true that vaccines have been found, but the number is still very limited. Not everyone can get a vaccine, prioritized people who work
in hospitals and the health sector who will get the vaccine first. Therefore, the threat of the spread of the corona virus can still occur, so there is
a possibility that a second lockdown will be carried out by the government.

With evidence of the previous lockdown being quite successful in stopping the spread of the corona virus temporarily, then the government's
choice of conducting a second lockdown will be carried out. Although it will again paralyze the economy, however, the government must have
the courage to take this difficult decision. And hope that more vaccines can be produced, and can be distributed to all people in the world.
So there is no need for another lockdown.


Title: Re: Second lockdown due to covid19 is painful
Post by: verita1 on January 01, 2021, 11:29:18 PM
The second lockdown is a disturbing and sad situation at the same time. The lives of the people and the country's economy are at stake. The most vulnerable people are the most affected, they need to leave their homes to earn their daily bread.
Sometimes government help is not enough or does not arrive in time to meet their needs.
We need to join in prayer so that we can get out of the crisis quickly.
We must also take security measures and take care of ourselves. Another thing we can do is help a family member, others, or groups in need and thus we try to cope with this crisis.
Let's hope that this second lockdown we will be more disciplined and we will overcome it.


Title: Re: Second lockdown due to covid19 is painful
Post by: Sithara007 on January 02, 2021, 03:39:07 AM
Does anyone have an information about: those lucky people who got vaccine shots, should they be on a lockdown together with others or they are free to walk anywhere they want, probably not even wearing mask? Or is a vaccinated person still can be a virus carrier and infect other people?

There will be no exception for those who get vaccinated. They need to follow the same procedures as everyone else. And you need to remember at this point that vaccines (those from Pfizer, Moderna and Gamaleya Research Institute) are not 100% effective. Their efficiency is in the 90%-95% range and therefore you can get infected even if you have undergone vaccination. And regarding the second part, if you are not infected and don't get symptoms like coughing/sneezing, I don't think that there is a risk of infecting anyone else.


Title: Re: Second lockdown due to covid19 is painful
Post by: celot on January 02, 2021, 06:33:31 AM
Does anyone have an information about: those lucky people who got vaccine shots, should they be on a lockdown together with others or they are free to walk anywhere they want, probably not even wearing mask? Or is a vaccinated person still can be a virus carrier and infect other people?

There will be no exception for those who get vaccinated. They need to follow the same procedures as everyone else. And you need to remember at this point that vaccines (those from Pfizer, Moderna and Gamaleya Research Institute) are not 100% effective. Their efficiency is in the 90%-95% range and therefore you can get infected even if you have undergone vaccination. And regarding the second part, if you are not infected and don't get symptoms like coughing/sneezing, I don't think that there is a risk of infecting anyone else.
I think have new covid 19 right now and any country have announcement they got new virus and most danger than covid 19 because very easy to contagious than virus before, how ever vaccine created for virus covid 19 and we don't know work or not for new virus how ever this type most danger than virus covid 19 before. Still not working success how vaccine could stop covid 19 virus because still not have any claimed which one success vaccine right now.


Title: Re: Second lockdown due to covid19 is painful
Post by: jostorres on January 02, 2021, 03:26:38 PM
The second wave already happens in England, and that makes the government lockdown their country. The other countries follow to lockdown their country from the foreign people who visit their country, and if they already arrive at the airport, the government will make sure that they quarantine that passenger and make sure they are clean before they entering their country. It is another hard work for the government, doctor and nurse, and all people to prevent the attack from the new virus.
I believe the new version found in UK is not only in UK, it was never only in UK, it wasn't something originated there and stayed t here and never left there, I am sure it must be something that is already a bit around the world, maybe not very common right now but it requires extensive research to find if it is not covid19 but the new version, so I am not sure if every other nation does it already.

So, if you ask me I am pretty sure that other nations have it too, or maybe even other nations spread it to UK is possible as well, probably not that much but I am sure UK citizens already spread it around Europe at the very least. However good news is, the new mutation will not be impossible to get fixed very quickly, the regular covid19 took very fast to get a vaccine, just over a year total, considering march or so was the big alarm it was even quicker. So, I think this new mutation will be fixed even faster now that we know how it works.


Title: Re: Second lockdown due to covid19 is painful
Post by: jaberwock on January 02, 2021, 06:15:16 PM
So, what we are not sure about (and health experts plus the whole world thinks the same) the vaccine we have for covid 19 will be also very good for the new string of covid as well, the only thing we are not entirely sure about is how much it will be helpful, for covid 19 they see 90%+ success rate, but with the new one that could drop as much as 50% who knows?
The issue is that we are not certain about the vaccine, i have seen reports that some are having serious side affects after taking the dosage and the new strain is serious as it is spreading rapidly than the first one and hence every country is forced to shut down once again to combat the spread and that is the only steps a government can take but it is a huge toll on the common citizens and the success rate of these vaccines are uncertain and there is no clarity regarding it.
The side effects are not as serious as the damage virus itself causes, which is why vaccination is still going on, it doesn't mean that all of them will have some side effect as well, only a few does and compared to the giant problem we are facing with covid right now, that is basically "collateral damage" and accepted already as a payment to get rid of covid all together. The new strain also spreads a lot faster and that is very dangerous however we still have no idea if the vaccination of covid 19 we have now, would be futile against the new strain or would it be still perfect for it, that knowledge is not public yet, so maybe it could be spreading faster but it would be still prevented with the vaccination, or that is at least what we are hoping for at the moment. I would say things are not changing that much, it still looks like we are going to be better in a year.


Title: Re: Second lockdown due to covid19 is painful
Post by: Rodeo02 on January 02, 2021, 09:15:41 PM
The second lockdown is a disturbing and sad situation at the same time. The lives of the people and the country's economy are at stake. The most vulnerable people are the most affected, they need to leave their homes to earn their daily bread.
Sometimes government help is not enough or does not arrive in time to meet their needs.
We need to join in prayer so that we can get out of the crisis quickly.
We must also take security measures and take care of ourselves. Another thing we can do is help a family member, others, or groups in need and thus we try to cope with this crisis.
Let's hope that this second lockdown we will be more disciplined and we will overcome it.

True what government give to its citizen as help is not enough so many still really need to go out to survive and find foods for their families. The second lockdown will be so much pain if it will happen to my our country the first lockdown is too hard for many already  so what else if  when there is a second lockdown. it will be more difficult for most people especially those who have lost their job and are just looking to find one at this moment,, its hard but they need to find it even this difficult time.


Title: Re: Second lockdown due to covid19 is painful
Post by: CarnagexD on January 02, 2021, 10:13:03 PM
A second lockdown wouldn't have been necessary for everyone if in the first place huge country leaders chose to impose strict guidelines to follow and included powerful information campaigns to let people know of the dangers of the COVID-19 pandemic, but reality is oftentimes disappointing. Like the US and the Philippines, it will take a really hard push and a really long time before the economy recovers fully.


Title: Re: Second lockdown due to covid19 is painful
Post by: Jemzx00 on January 02, 2021, 10:24:09 PM
A second lockdown wouldn't have been necessary for everyone if in the first place huge country leaders chose to impose strict guidelines to follow and included powerful information campaigns to let people know of the dangers of the COVID-19 pandemic, but reality is oftentimes disappointing. Like the US and the Philippines, it will take a really hard push and a really long time before the economy recovers fully.
Agreed, I've live on the Philippines and I'm expecting an another lockdown sooner or later once the other strand of Covid gets to our country as our President are having a hard time deciding the a strict guidelines and protocol for this new virus. Sure enough that our country have been affected by too much on economy wise but risking something that will cost our country more damage on the economy by not implementing some strict guidelines is disappointing to hear. And knowing that the government already have a mindset that they'll only set a guidelines once the new strand have set foot on the country is too much to handle.
I really just hope that the vaccine will be available worldwide sooner or later for this Covid19 issue to end and we can all recover to what this tragic event made to us.


Title: Re: Second lockdown due to covid19 is painful
Post by: Yatsan on January 02, 2021, 11:53:08 PM
The news about the second lockdown to be implemented really have sound to be alarming for everyone because if we all can remember how difficult life is when we have undergone the first lockdown wherein most of us are really affected due to certain restrictions brought by the implementing health protocols to ensure that we are on control of the spread of virus not to get any further. The second lockdown seems to be alarming but I think it is a must thing to do to avoid the new variant of covid-19 to spread even more which will cause another major problem if that thing will happen. This would be a big sacrifice for all of us for the sake of our own safety.


Title: Re: Second lockdown due to covid19 is painful
Post by: Twinkledoe on January 02, 2021, 11:59:03 PM
The news about the second lockdown to be implemented really have sound to be alarming for everyone because if we all can remember how difficult life is when we have undergone the first lockdown wherein most of us are really affected due to certain restrictions brought by the implementing health protocols to ensure that we are on control of the spread of virus not to get any further. The second lockdown seems to be alarming but I think it is a must thing to do to avoid the new variant of covid-19 to spread even more which will cause another major problem if that thing will happen. This would be a big sacrifice for all of us for the sake of our own safety.

I think the second time, most of us already know the drill. We survived the first one, and so this second one, will just be another day for all of us. It is hard but we already know how to survive in this challenge. If we will give up this time, all the sacrifices that we endured will be put to waste. Just live one day at a time, and think of good things that will eventually come in this lockdown. Be optimistic even if life seems so unfair and hopeless. We will survive this life.


Title: Re: Second lockdown due to covid19 is painful
Post by: Ridwan Fauzi on January 03, 2021, 01:15:13 AM
The news about the second lockdown to be implemented really have sound to be alarming for everyone because if we all can remember how difficult life is when we have undergone the first lockdown wherein most of us are really affected due to certain restrictions brought by the implementing health protocols to ensure that we are on control of the spread of virus not to get any further. The second lockdown seems to be alarming but I think it is a must thing to do to avoid the new variant of covid-19 to spread even more which will cause another major problem if that thing will happen. This would be a big sacrifice for all of us for the sake of our own safety.

I think the second time, most of us already know the drill. We survived the first one, and so this second one, will just be another day for all of us. It is hard but we already know how to survive in this challenge. If we will give up this time, all the sacrifices that we endured will be put to waste. Just live one day at a time, and think of good things that will eventually come in this lockdown. Be optimistic even if life seems so unfair and hopeless. We will survive this life.
The vaccine has been distributed in some countries which means we still have a chance to fight this virus. The health protocol will be worthless if we don't have any way to cure all the humans who infected. Yeah, it will be worthless if we get used to using masks, washing hands, and bring hand sanitizer to the way we go. Since this virus can be transmitted without in such a way so that it is useless, what is most useful is finding a drug to cure and make our bodies strong from the virus. And we have found it, now we can only see if the vaccine is useful and suitable for the human body.


Title: Re: Second lockdown due to covid19 is painful
Post by: Sithara007 on January 03, 2021, 03:20:04 AM
The vaccine has been distributed in some countries which means we still have a chance to fight this virus. The health protocol will be worthless if we don't have any way to cure all the humans who infected. Yeah, it will be worthless if we get used to using masks, washing hands, and bring hand sanitizer to the way we go. Since this virus can be transmitted without in such a way so that it is useless, what is most useful is finding a drug to cure and make our bodies strong from the virus. And we have found it, now we can only see if the vaccine is useful and suitable for the human body.

There is another risk factor here. Now that the vaccine has been available for distribution, the youth are going to be even more careless about the restrictions. They need to understand that the risk is there, as long as 100% of the population is not vaccinated. And since the vaccine is not 100% effective, it is going to take some time to eradicate the virus.


Title: Re: Second lockdown due to covid19 is painful
Post by: samputin on January 03, 2021, 07:34:48 AM
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Agreed, I've live on the Philippines and I'm expecting an another lockdown sooner or later once the other strand of Covid gets to our country as our President are having a hard time deciding the a strict guidelines and protocol for this new virus. Sure enough that our country have been affected by too much on economy wise but risking something that will cost our country more damage on the economy by not implementing some strict guidelines is disappointing to hear. And knowing that the government already have a mindset that they'll only set a guidelines once the new strand have set foot on the country is too much to handle.
I really just hope that the vaccine will be available worldwide sooner or later for this Covid19 issue to end and we can all recover to what this tragic event made to us.
Well, that indeed sounds so disappointing. Seems like we still have to wait before implementing strict guidelines. I mean, what?!  Why wait for the new variance to reach our country? Does the saying "prevention is better than cure" not applicable to our country anymore? That's just sad.

But as far as I know, the Philippines has a travel ban for 20 countries including those who have the new variance of the virus already. I just hope that the mutated virus won't reach our country anymore so there won't be the need to have a second lockdown. One is enough and two is too much. Keep safe everyone. And happy new year.


Title: Re: Second lockdown due to covid19 is painful
Post by: celot on January 03, 2021, 11:35:12 AM
The vaccine has been distributed in some countries which means we still have a chance to fight this virus. The health protocol will be worthless if we don't have any way to cure all the humans who infected. Yeah, it will be worthless if we get used to using masks, washing hands, and bring hand sanitizer to the way we go. Since this virus can be transmitted without in such a way so that it is useless, what is most useful is finding a drug to cure and make our bodies strong from the virus. And we have found it, now we can only see if the vaccine is useful and suitable for the human body.

There is another risk factor here. Now that the vaccine has been available for distribution, the youth are going to be even more careless about the restrictions. They need to understand that the risk is there, as long as 100% of the population is not vaccinated. And since the vaccine is not 100% effective, it is going to take some time to eradicate the virus.
I don't believe with vaccine right now because many bed news after testing in some country where vaccine not working well, many people have been die during covid 19 but one year after covid get simulated with vaccine still need testing more how to know vaccine is working well, we don't know when vaccine is working how distribution will be on time and how to make process for giving vaccine to many people without risk get positive covid 19 again.


Title: Re: Second lockdown due to covid19 is painful
Post by: bryant.coleman on January 03, 2021, 01:31:39 PM
I don't believe with vaccine right now because many bed news after testing in some country where vaccine not working well, many people have been die during covid 19 but one year after covid get simulated with vaccine still need testing more how to know vaccine is working well, we don't know when vaccine is working how distribution will be on time and how to make process for giving vaccine to many people without risk get positive covid 19 again.

No one is forcing you to take the vaccine. First of all, there is an acute shortage of vaccine even in developed nations such as the United States. They were planning to vaccinate up to 20 million people by the end of 2020, but they managed to administer the vaccine (first dose) only to 2 million by that date. So you can skip the vaccination slot (if you qualify for it) and the dosage will go to someone else in need.

And regarding the side effects, so far I haven't heard about any deaths or permanent injury/handicap getting reported during the phase 3 trials.


Title: Re: Second lockdown due to covid19 is painful
Post by: Spaffin on January 03, 2021, 02:32:14 PM
I don't believe with vaccine right now because many bed news after testing in some country where vaccine not working well, many people have been die during covid 19 but one year after covid get simulated with vaccine still need testing more how to know vaccine is working well, we don't know when vaccine is working how distribution will be on time and how to make process for giving vaccine to many people without risk get positive covid 19 again.

No one is forcing you to take the vaccine. First of all, there is an acute shortage of vaccine even in developed nations such as the United States. They were planning to vaccinate up to 20 million people by the end of 2020, but they managed to administer the vaccine (first dose) only to 2 million by that date. So you can skip the vaccination slot (if you qualify for it) and the dosage will go to someone else in need.

And regarding the side effects, so far I haven't heard about any deaths or permanent injury/handicap getting reported during the phase 3 trials.
The governments of some countries already have plans to develop certain passports for vaccinated people, and those who will not be vaccinated will have certain restrictions not only in movement, but also in other areas of human activity. Based on this, many people may face a choice.


Title: Re: Second lockdown due to covid19 is painful
Post by: Sithara007 on January 04, 2021, 04:19:29 AM
The governments of some countries already have plans to develop certain passports for vaccinated people, and those who will not be vaccinated will have certain restrictions not only in movement, but also in other areas of human activity. Based on this, many people may face a choice.

That sounds fair to me. If someone is refusing to take the vaccine, he is putting himself at an increased risk of getting infected with COVID 19, and at the same time he is increasing the risk for others as well. So the government may not allow the entry of such people in to crowded places such as supermarkets, cinema theatres, sports events.etc. I don't think that there is much to complain about this.


Title: Re: Second lockdown due to covid19 is painful
Post by: Psynthax on January 04, 2021, 06:32:27 AM
I don't believe with vaccine right now because many bed news after testing in some country where vaccine not working well, many people have been die during covid 19 but one year after covid get simulated with vaccine still need testing more how to know vaccine is working well, we don't know when vaccine is working how distribution will be on time and how to make process for giving vaccine to many people without risk get positive covid 19 again.
Vaccine has risk but the benefit outweigh the risk. people will not learn how important vaccine is before they got devastated by the virus themselves.
As an adult you're free to choose to get vaccinated or not but if you really want covid to be gone then starts with vaccine and ofcourse the most safest one from a company that you'd trust.


Title: Re: Second lockdown due to covid19 is painful
Post by: bryant.coleman on January 04, 2021, 07:04:46 AM
Vaccine has risk but the benefit outweigh the risk. people will not learn how important vaccine is before they got devastated by the virus themselves.
As an adult you're free to choose to get vaccinated or not but if you really want covid to be gone then starts with vaccine and ofcourse the most safest one from a company that you'd trust.

Statistically, the risk from dying after getting infected with COVID 19 is very low, if you are below 60 years of age and doesn't have any comorbidity. So this has prompted many to take a stance against getting vaccinated. But for the elderly and the other vulnerable groups, there is no such option available. They are at a high risk from this pandemic, and they need to get vaccinated as soon as possible.


Title: Re: Second lockdown due to covid19 is painful
Post by: jasonjm on January 04, 2021, 08:06:10 AM
Vaccine has risk but the benefit outweigh the risk. people will not learn how important vaccine is before they got devastated by the virus themselves.
As an adult you're free to choose to get vaccinated or not but if you really want covid to be gone then starts with vaccine and ofcourse the most safest one from a company that you'd trust.

Statistically, the risk from dying after getting infected with COVID 19 is very low, if you are below 60 years of age and doesn't have any comorbidity. So this has prompted many to take a stance against getting vaccinated. But for the elderly and the other vulnerable groups, there is no such option available. They are at a high risk from this pandemic, and they need to get vaccinated as soon as possible.

Vaccination is the best option against COVID 19 but will the vaccine be effective against the new COVID 19 variant (UK version) is a big question. With 28 new mutations and a higher infection rate, it can be very dangerous. Although people with a good immune system have a higher chance of survival, they can transmit the virus to immune-compromised and vulnerable groups.
The second lockdown is very painful particularly for the middle and lower class people who do not have a steady job but lockdown is necessary to control the pandemic.


Title: Re: Second lockdown due to covid19 is painful
Post by: bryant.coleman on January 04, 2021, 09:52:54 AM
Vaccination is the best option against COVID 19 but will the vaccine be effective against the new COVID 19 variant (UK version) is a big question. With 28 new mutations and a higher infection rate, it can be very dangerous. Although people with a good immune system have a higher chance of survival, they can transmit the virus to immune-compromised and vulnerable groups.
The second lockdown is very painful particularly for the middle and lower class people who do not have a steady job but lockdown is necessary to control the pandemic.

The new variant from the United Kingdom is no more dangerous than the old strain. The fatality rate is the same. But the difference is that it is much more contagious and that means that the number of infections may go up. But the vaccine should be effective against the new strain as well as this has been confirmed by the vaccine manufacturers such as Pfizer and Moderna.


Title: Re: Second lockdown due to covid19 is painful
Post by: chrisculanag on January 04, 2021, 10:20:49 AM

The new variant from the United Kingdom is no more dangerous than the old strain. The fatality rate is the same. But the difference is that it is much more contagious and that means that the number of infections may go up. But the vaccine should be effective against the new strain as well as this has been confirmed by the vaccine manufacturers such as Pfizer and Moderna.

Thats a good news but its not safe at all because like you said is much more contagious. Vaccine is very helpful to stop the spreading this various and i think that manufactures have a good plan to supply vaccines all over the world. The only can do of us is to participate to the government and always maintain the health standard or protocols that we need to minimize the spreading of this virus.


Title: Re: Second lockdown due to covid19 is painful
Post by: cabron on January 04, 2021, 10:30:36 AM
Vaccination is the best option against COVID 19 but will the vaccine be effective against the new COVID 19 variant (UK version) is a big question. With 28 new mutations and a higher infection rate, it can be very dangerous. Although people with a good immune system have a higher chance of survival, they can transmit the virus to immune-compromised and vulnerable groups.
The second lockdown is very painful particularly for the middle and lower class people who do not have a steady job but lockdown is necessary to control the pandemic.

The new variant from the United Kingdom is no more dangerous than the old strain. The fatality rate is the same. But the difference is that it is much more contagious and that means that the number of infections may go up. But the vaccine should be effective against the new strain as well as this has been confirmed by the vaccine manufacturers such as Pfizer and Moderna.

Does it mean that the vaccine isn't effective anymore to which the pharms need to create another vaccine for this new strain?

Many already killed themselves out of their depression that is caused by corona. I got used to lockdown already but it's also too much to have another lockdown. Those who have kids like me will suffer more especially if they also lost jobs due to lockdown.  



Title: Re: Second lockdown due to covid19 is painful
Post by: SATWAT on January 04, 2021, 10:31:23 AM

The new variant from the United Kingdom is no more dangerous than the old strain. The fatality rate is the same. But the difference is that it is much more contagious and that means that the number of infections may go up. But the vaccine should be effective against the new strain as well as this has been confirmed by the vaccine manufacturers such as Pfizer and Moderna.

Thats a good news but its not safe at all because like you said is much more contagious. Vaccine is very helpful to stop the spreading this various and i think that manufactures have a good plan to supply vaccines all over the world. The only can do of us is to participate to the government and always maintain the health standard or protocols that we need to minimize the spreading of this virus.
In many countries its happening as peoples doing all required protocols but sadly still in few countries peoples are facing some serious problems because they cannot do this all due to economical issues and peoples facing really deep problems due to unemployment its look like this Vaccine will works but before this all we have to face more troubles being living in developing countries.


Title: Re: Second lockdown due to covid19 is painful
Post by: kpierce77 on January 04, 2021, 12:02:04 PM
I don't believe with vaccine right now because many bed news after testing in some country where vaccine not working well, many people have been die during covid 19 but one year after covid get simulated with vaccine still need testing more how to know vaccine is working well, we don't know when vaccine is working how distribution will be on time and how to make process for giving vaccine to many people without risk get positive covid 19 again.
Vaccine has risk but the benefit outweigh the risk. people will not learn how important vaccine is before they got devastated by the virus themselves.
As an adult you're free to choose to get vaccinated or not but if you really want covid to be gone then starts with vaccine and ofcourse the most safest one from a company that you'd trust.
We have several vaccine options available. I don't blame people for not believing in current vaccinations, because there are cases that make the situation around them worse. it's just that, we have to try to identify how the vaccine might work as intended. Several vaccine companies have released trials of their vaccines, some are showing usable results and some are still negative. at least we can wait for a vaccine that actually works. and in this case, do not spread news that worries others


Title: Re: Second lockdown due to covid19 is painful
Post by: celot on January 04, 2021, 04:40:31 PM
I don't believe with vaccine right now because many bed news after testing in some country where vaccine not working well, many people have been die during covid 19 but one year after covid get simulated with vaccine still need testing more how to know vaccine is working well, we don't know when vaccine is working how distribution will be on time and how to make process for giving vaccine to many people without risk get positive covid 19 again.
Vaccine has risk but the benefit outweigh the risk. people will not learn how important vaccine is before they got devastated by the virus themselves.
As an adult you're free to choose to get vaccinated or not but if you really want covid to be gone then starts with vaccine and ofcourse the most safest one from a company that you'd trust.
We have several vaccine options available. I don't blame people for not believing in current vaccinations, because there are cases that make the situation around them worse. it's just that, we have to try to identify how the vaccine might work as intended. Several vaccine companies have released trials of their vaccines, some are showing usable results and some are still negative. at least we can wait for a vaccine that actually works. and in this case, do not spread news that worries others
I don't believe with vaccine and better waiting after many time try to other people and work so I will try, better waiting how vaccine give effect or not because I hear many trying before failed with many people get bad situation after testing by vaccine. But I still trust medical healthy always have new way how to make covid 19 gone and give us freedom for our activities in daily day. We have tired every day have use mask and not freedom to get air in the world.


Title: Re: Second lockdown due to covid19 is painful
Post by: Vishnu.Reang on January 04, 2021, 05:10:47 PM
I don't believe with vaccine and better waiting after many time try to other people and work so I will try, better waiting how vaccine give effect or not because I hear many trying before failed with many people get bad situation after testing by vaccine. But I still trust medical healthy always have new way how to make covid 19 gone and give us freedom for our activities in daily day. We have tired every day have use mask and not freedom to get air in the world.

By all probability, you need to wait for at least 6 to 12 months, even if you are willing to take the vaccine. Because the first few batches of the vaccine will be exclusively reserved for the priority population (i.e medical workers, elderly, policemen, ambulance drivers.etc). I guess that much time is enough for you, to decide whether you want to go for the vaccination or not. If there are any serious side effects coming from the vaccination, then you should be aware of it by the time your turn is up.


Title: Re: Second lockdown due to covid19 is painful
Post by: enhu on January 04, 2021, 05:34:37 PM
I don't believe with vaccine and better waiting after many time try to other people and work so I will try, better waiting how vaccine give effect or not because I hear many trying before failed with many people get bad situation after testing by vaccine. But I still trust medical healthy always have new way how to make covid 19 gone and give us freedom for our activities in daily day. We have tired every day have use mask and not freedom to get air in the world.

By all probability, you need to wait for at least 6 to 12 months, even if you are willing to take the vaccine. Because the first few batches of the vaccine will be exclusively reserved for the priority population (i.e medical workers, elderly, policemen, ambulance drivers.etc). I guess that much time is enough for you, to decide whether you want to go for the vaccination or not. If there are any serious side effects coming from the vaccination, then you should be aware of it by the time your turn is up.

That's right. A person who isn't a front liner can't be a priority to have the vaccine at this moment. Anyone can't buy a vaccine as well since they are to be bought by governments alone. Not even companies who wants to provide vaccines for their employees can buy vaccines.

Rich countries can easily acquire but the poor ones will likely lockdown for a long time. It's worse that could happen but this new variant is as deadly as its still covid19.



Title: Re: Second lockdown due to covid19 is painful
Post by: virasisog on January 04, 2021, 05:40:14 PM
I know that it feels bad to experience a second lockdown. I’ve been there before. Let me tell you what I have experienced back then. Sometime between mid-March until mid-May, I never got out of the house because I am exposed to my mom who visited a neighbor that was tagged as “Patient Under Monitoring”. First, I was quarantined for 14 days. And after the 14th day, the city declared lockdown the next day until May 15th. Only one person was authorized to go out to buy essential goods and services for 3 days a week, and the rest of us shlould stay  I was depressed those days even though that I had an online job plus other gigs like interviews, etc.

The second lockdown I’ve experienced was for the entire of September 2020, where my hometown and a few cities are under the strictest form of quarantine. But that time, I was allowed to go out anytime because I have secured an essential ID and permit days before the second lockdown occured. And of course, I am forced to buy a small bike since public transportation (e.g., jeepneys, taxis, etc.), are not allowed during the strictest quarantine measure.

Right now, we are on the lowest quarantine level until the end of January 2021.

It’s almost a “ghost town” feeling for me. I just hope that the new COVID-19 strain would not arrive here in the Philippines, as the government already taken action in banning passengers who are flying from those countries that are affected with new COVID-19 strain.

I feel for you guys who are experiencing this right now.

I could still recall those lockdown days and it was really like a ghost town place for us where the number of people who could go out is limited. Everything is under control by the government and everyone is afraid to be infected by the virus. Most of us weren't able to go to work which really affected our lives. I just hope that the  virus would come to an end so we'll never experience the same thing again.


Title: Re: Second lockdown due to covid19 is painful
Post by: Raflesia on January 04, 2021, 05:48:58 PM
I don't believe with vaccine and better waiting after many time try to other people and work so I will try, better waiting how vaccine give effect or not because I hear many trying before failed with many people get bad situation after testing by vaccine. But I still trust medical healthy always have new way how to make covid 19 gone and give us freedom for our activities in daily day. We have tired every day have use mask and not freedom to get air in the world.

By all probability, you need to wait for at least 6 to 12 months, even if you are willing to take the vaccine. Because the first few batches of the vaccine will be exclusively reserved for the priority population (i.e medical workers, elderly, policemen, ambulance drivers.etc). I guess that much time is enough for you, to decide whether you want to go for the vaccination or not. If there are any serious side effects coming from the vaccination, then you should be aware of it by the time your turn is up.

I think we still have a long time to decide how effective or not the vaccine will be because I am still not ready for a vaccine if it is really under control by the medical team, so it will take one year because this period can decide whether to agree or not.
Honestly, if my fitness remains as healthy as before then I won't be willing to be vaccinated because I'm healthy I'm afraid there will be an effect so it's necessary to keep the body and the mask always used to avoid spreading.


Title: Re: Second lockdown due to covid19 is painful
Post by: wxa7115 on January 04, 2021, 06:03:24 PM
In my view, people who live in rural areas will still be fine, they take advantage of agricultural and plantation products and even those seafood can still be sold and some may be consumed themselves. Therefore, I think people who live in rural areas will still be fine, different from people who live in cities who mostly rely on salaries from a company, this will have a negative impact on their own employees. So during the second lockdown I think it is used to it, because learning from the previous lockdown, at least each individual will definitely have a better plan.
The world is bound to change due to the pandemic, in the past a company wanted to be in the middle of a city so it could get the best chance to hire the best employees possible, and people preferred to live in the cities to get access to those jobs, but now that the pandemic has made popular the option of working from your own home then people have the option to decide if they want to live in the city or in rural areas, and taking into account that social distancing is very hard in a city I have no doubts many people will begin to prefer to live a rural life from now on.

This has the chance of collapsing the value of real estate because as we know once the demand of something drops and the supply remains the same or it even increases this leads to a reduction in price.


Title: Re: Second lockdown due to covid19 is painful
Post by: Sithara007 on January 05, 2021, 04:19:45 AM
Rich countries can easily acquire but the poor ones will likely lockdown for a long time. It's worse that could happen but this new variant is as deadly as its still covid19.

Well... you can check the vaccine contracts page from Bloomberg and see how many vaccine doses each country has booked for its citizens:

https://www.bloomberg.com/graphics/covid-vaccine-tracker-global-distribution/#dvz-section-purchasing

The richer countries have booked many times their requirement, while the poorer countries have covered only a small fraction of theirs. For example, Canada has ordered 228 million doses of the vaccines, which is enough to vaccinate 114 million people. But their population is only 37 million. On the other hand, Bangladesh has ordered only 16.6 million doses, which is enough to vaccinate just 5% of their population.


Title: Re: Second lockdown due to covid19 is painful
Post by: celot on January 05, 2021, 04:28:20 AM
People have usually activities during one year they can be freedom to go anywhere and loss job, maybe this year looks the same after have new covid 19 or most likely virus have been upgrade become most danger. How ever second lock down will effective happening almost country and bad news from my country positive covid 19 right now almost 800,000 cases and every day about 8,000 person get positive covid 19.


Title: Re: Second lockdown due to covid19 is painful
Post by: bryant.coleman on January 05, 2021, 05:09:25 AM
That's right. A person who isn't a front liner can't be a priority to have the vaccine at this moment. Anyone can't buy a vaccine as well since they are to be bought by governments alone. Not even companies who wants to provide vaccines for their employees can buy vaccines.

Rich countries can easily acquire but the poor ones will likely lockdown for a long time. It's worse that could happen but this new variant is as deadly as its still covid19.

The new strain is still a concern, but with most of the developed nations starting the vaccination program, we should see a decrease in the infection rate by next month or the latest by March. But the next two months are very crucial. It is still peak winter season in the Northern hemisphere and the daily deaths resulting from COVID 19 is still at record levels in many of the countries.


Title: Re: Second lockdown due to covid19 is painful
Post by: Oasisman on January 05, 2021, 05:25:37 AM
That's right. A person who isn't a front liner can't be a priority to have the vaccine at this moment. Anyone can't buy a vaccine as well since they are to be bought by governments alone. Not even companies who wants to provide vaccines for their employees can buy vaccines.

Rich countries can easily acquire but the poor ones will likely lockdown for a long time. It's worse that could happen but this new variant is as deadly as its still covid19.

The new strain is still a concern.

This new strain is still the same Covid-19 that has been mutated to become immune with the vaccine, but that doesn't automatically mean that it's more deadlier this time. The virus is trying live longer into the host's body and it's not trying to kill it. So, I guess lockdowns won't be necessary this time, because it will really put the economy into it's worst form, besides the vaccine still works with this new strain also known as Covid variant.

Well, one thing I can say about this lockdown issues. Lucky are those who have a huge bag of Bitcoin in times like this.


Title: Re: Second lockdown due to covid19 is painful
Post by: shoreno on January 05, 2021, 06:18:27 AM
People have usually activities during one year they can be freedom to go anywhere and loss job, maybe this year looks the same after have new covid 19 or most likely virus have been upgrade become most danger. How ever second lock down will effective happening almost country and bad news from my country positive covid 19 right now almost 800,000 cases and every day about 8,000 person get positive covid 19.
if the virus is more dangerous than before then the measures will got even more strictier too but we cant be against it because this is also for our own safety and experts know what they are dealing about . just think about what happen last time , government gives help for those who lost their jobs so no need to panic .

growing number of cases can be missleading because not all that those who are sick are covid positive but they only consider it as one .


Title: Re: Second lockdown due to covid19 is painful
Post by: iv4n on January 05, 2021, 07:19:03 AM
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This is a crazy world! And while some of us fighting with second, third, fourth wave and another lockdown, in some parts of the world things are "normal" (like that ever existed) again!
It's not the same for all of us, while some didn't feel this "situation" (people who continued to work and receive paychecks), for some this is like death penalty! Many small and micro businesses are lost (while billionaires are making billions), many people (and their families) are left to struggle for basic needs!
I didn't change my mind, the whole situation is a "man made"! And be sure that the ride is not over yet, we will see a lot more, this brainwashing campaign is leading us into something. I hope we will wake up before it's too late to make changes for the better!


Title: Re: Second lockdown due to covid19 is painful
Post by: Janation on January 05, 2021, 08:36:14 AM
Not a good year but we survived.

We all know it is hard but we should realize that a lot of people were hit harder by this pandemic. Some lost their families and as far as I know, there is this story where his/her family died and he/she is the only one who survived. It is hard but we should look on the positive side, we continue living and prove to this world that we are all strong but we need to learn.


Title: Re: Second lockdown due to covid19 is painful
Post by: celot on January 06, 2021, 09:55:53 AM
Not a good year but we survived.

We all know it is hard but we should realize that a lot of people were hit harder by this pandemic. Some lost their families and as far as I know, there is this story where his/her family died and he/she is the only one who survived. It is hard but we should look on the positive side, we continue living and prove to this world that we are all strong but we need to learn.
We know how many people have loss their family by pandemic covid 19 and we always hope this pandemic could ended in this year, almost one year we always discussing with covid 19 and thousand hundred people was pas away after positive covid 19 and we can see our family when get this covid, but always have the end of pandemic era because right now have vaccine and hope could working well to make pandemic over ended.


Title: Re: Second lockdown due to covid19 is painful
Post by: GeorgeJohn on January 06, 2021, 10:32:49 PM
This is not the second lockdown, it depends on the country you are from. There have been many countries that have had second lockdown since. Second lockdown has been driven as a result of the virus infecting more people after the first lock down ended. Which means for any country that has had or is having or will have second lock down or third or more, it will only be as a result to reduce the pandemic because if their is no lock down after the infection is rising in a country, it will only lead to a problem that can get all people in the country infected if their is no lock down and isolation.
See mate, looking at the previous lockdown its quite understood that lockdown did not help matters, OK as these question or answer these while during lockdown the numbers of corona virus patients keep on increasing, irrespective that many people we're at home, so how did people contact it, so it's obvious that been in door will not serve anyone and the best option is to obey the rules and regulations of covid in order to avoid contamination of the disease simple.


Title: Re: Second lockdown due to covid19 is painful
Post by: Sithara007 on January 07, 2021, 03:53:10 AM
This is a crazy world! And while some of us fighting with second, third, fourth wave and another lockdown, in some parts of the world things are "normal" (like that ever existed) again!

The only part of the world that is feeling "normal" right now is China. Every other country in the globe is still reeling form the COVID 19 pandemic. And that is funny, because the pandemic first originated from China. It spread to the other parts of the world, as a result of international travelers from China. Now the country from where the virus originated has gone back to the normal mode many months back, while in other regions the residents are facing reimposition of lockdowns and other restrictive measures.


Title: Re: Second lockdown due to covid19 is painful
Post by: Janation on January 07, 2021, 04:35:00 AM
Not a good year but we survived.

We all know it is hard but we should realize that a lot of people were hit harder by this pandemic. Some lost their families and as far as I know, there is this story where his/her family died and he/she is the only one who survived. It is hard but we should look on the positive side, we continue living and prove to this world that we are all strong but we need to learn.
We know how many people have loss their family by pandemic covid 19 and we always hope this pandemic could ended in this year, almost one year we always discussing with covid 19 and thousand hundred people was pas away after positive covid 19 and we can see our family when get this covid, but always have the end of pandemic era because right now have vaccine and hope could working well to make pandemic over ended.

We still can't be so sure.

It is true that we already have the vaccine but I think we still have two problems:
1. It is still not enough; and
2. There is a new variant of Covid that is said to be more contagious than the previous one.

I think it would take another year or maybe years for us to be completely free from this pandemic and that would just mean that for those who are unemployed would be more painful.


Title: Re: Second lockdown due to covid19 is painful
Post by: bakasabo on January 07, 2021, 10:05:53 AM
See mate, looking at the previous lockdown its quite understood that lockdown did not help matters, OK as these question or answer these while during lockdown the numbers of corona virus patients keep on increasing, irrespective that many people we're at home, so how did people contact it, so it's obvious that been in door will not serve anyone and the best option is to obey the rules and regulations of covid in order to avoid contamination of the disease simple.

I'm sure that we are from different countries, but I can confirm that you say that second lockdown is not effective. We are having a lockdown (but not strict), a curfew, different limitations on goods and places to visit, but still number of cases remain the same. It is either people disobey the rules and got sick, or media and statistics lies. I know cases, when people spent all the time at home, order food online and still manage to get infected.


Title: Re: Second lockdown due to covid19 is painful
Post by: bryant.coleman on January 07, 2021, 11:43:20 AM
I'm sure that we are from different countries, but I can confirm that you say that second lockdown is not effective. We are having a lockdown (but not strict), a curfew, different limitations on goods and places to visit, but still number of cases remain the same. It is either people disobey the rules and got sick, or media and statistics lies. I know cases, when people spent all the time at home, order food online and still manage to get infected.

I guess the youth got tired of sitting at home. It has been almost 1 year, without parties, shopping and movie watching. Those who are middle-aged or elderly would understand the risk, but it will be very difficult to reason with the youngsters. And the irony is that the youth is almost safe from COVID 19 (their fatality rate is like 0.1% or so), but they are much more likely to spread the disease to others.


Title: Re: Second lockdown due to covid19 is painful
Post by: South Park on January 07, 2021, 09:01:34 PM
The news about the second lockdown to be implemented really have sound to be alarming for everyone because if we all can remember how difficult life is when we have undergone the first lockdown wherein most of us are really affected due to certain restrictions brought by the implementing health protocols to ensure that we are on control of the spread of virus not to get any further. The second lockdown seems to be alarming but I think it is a must thing to do to avoid the new variant of covid-19 to spread even more which will cause another major problem if that thing will happen. This would be a big sacrifice for all of us for the sake of our own safety.
This is going to be exceptionally difficult for everyone involved, lockdowns are very hard on people, for the most part people live day by day and they do not have any savings and the few that did most likely have already used them during the pandemic to pay for medical services or just to pay for all what we need to protect ourselves in our daily lives, this means that a new generalized lockdown could be even worse than the first one as people are incapable of taking it anymore.


Title: Re: Second lockdown due to covid19 is painful
Post by: Sithara007 on January 08, 2021, 04:18:44 AM
This is going to be exceptionally difficult for everyone involved, lockdowns are very hard on people, for the most part people live day by day and they do not have any savings and the few that did most likely have already used them during the pandemic to pay for medical services or just to pay for all what we need to protect ourselves in our daily lives, this means that a new generalized lockdown could be even worse than the first one as people are incapable of taking it anymore.

A choice needs to be made between implementing a lockdown or opting for more deaths and infections from COVID 19. Considering that, the governments don't have any other choice available. Anyway, it is just a matter of one or two months. By then, the peak winter will be over in the Northern hemisphere and the impact of the vaccination program will be visible.


Title: Re: Second lockdown due to covid19 is painful
Post by: AicecreaME on January 08, 2021, 06:41:37 AM
This is not the second lockdown, it depends on the country you are from. There have been many countries that have had second lockdown since. Second lockdown has been driven as a result of the virus infecting more people after the first lock down ended. Which means for any country that has had or is having or will have second lock down or third or more, it will only be as a result to reduce the pandemic because if their is no lock down after the infection is rising in a country, it will only lead to a problem that can get all people in the country infected if their is no lock down and isolation.

I definitely agree with this.

The only countries that'll have a second lockdown once the new COVID-19 straint is confirmed, are those countries that are continuously lacking in proper risk management in this pandemic, we don't need vaccine to prevent the virus, New Zealand is one of the great example, we just have the wrong Government that's why we're still on a lockdown after almost a year already. An early travel ban would be a great precaution to prevent the new straint coming in your country. However here in the Philippines, they always says that no travel ban would be applied unless there's a confirmed new COVID-19 straint, how funny is that.

Luckily, by the voice of many people here, they are forced to put a travel ban for everyone's safety (at last).


Title: Re: Second lockdown due to covid19 is painful
Post by: bakasabo on January 08, 2021, 09:18:47 AM
I'm sure that we are from different countries, but I can confirm that you say that second lockdown is not effective. We are having a lockdown (but not strict), a curfew, different limitations on goods and places to visit, but still number of cases remain the same. It is either people disobey the rules and got sick, or media and statistics lies. I know cases, when people spent all the time at home, order food online and still manage to get infected.

I guess the youth got tired of sitting at home.

The youth does not take whole situation serious and no one who can supervise what they do. They only understand that while they are young, their immune system is extra strong and they can not get infected. But what they dont understand that they might be just virus carriers and carry it to people with weak immune system.

Since schools are closed or different classes have long holidays, all of kids just hang around in group that does not follow 2m rule at all.
Example: yesterday I say a bunch of school kids in a small shop that has a sign "1 person only". They bought a bag of chips and went out, walked somewhere and passed this bag around. There is a possibility that today 5 families will be put on lockdown for 10-14 days as they might have contacted with infected person.


Title: Re: Second lockdown due to covid19 is painful
Post by: Wind_FURY on January 08, 2021, 09:46:23 AM
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This is a crazy world! And while some of us fighting with second, third, fourth wave and another lockdown, in some parts of the world things are "normal" (like that ever existed) again!
It's not the same for all of us, while some didn't feel this "situation" (people who continued to work and receive paychecks), for some this is like death penalty! Many small and micro businesses are lost (while billionaires are making billions), many people (and their families) are left to struggle for basic needs!
I didn't change my mind, the whole situation is a "man made"! And be sure that the ride is not over yet, we will see a lot more, this brainwashing campaign is leading us into something. I hope we will wake up before it's too late to make changes for the better!


Tin-foil hats on, but are you saying that China released a bio-weapon to slow down the whole world economy, while they move on with their path faster to become, and replace the United States, as the world's No.1 Super-power?


Title: Re: Second lockdown due to covid19 is painful
Post by: MCobian on January 08, 2021, 12:36:10 PM
It is very interesting to talk about the conspiracy theory of this corona virus, indeed, not a few people say that this corona virus is man-made
with the intention of creating an economic crisis on a large scale. Please judge for yourself which countries benefit economically from this
corona virus.

Then regarding the second lockdown carried out by several countries, it is definitely painful and detrimental to people who have a low economy.
Because it is very difficult for those with low economies to survive if a second lockdown is imposed. Even now, the number of unemployed
in various countries in the world is very high, and the number of companies that go bankrupt is also not small.


Title: Re: Second lockdown due to covid19 is painful
Post by: celot on January 08, 2021, 04:07:22 PM
https://i.insider.com/5fef0e7aa18a450018cb67e9?width=700

This is a crazy world! And while some of us fighting with second, third, fourth wave and another lockdown, in some parts of the world things are "normal" (like that ever existed) again!
It's not the same for all of us, while some didn't feel this "situation" (people who continued to work and receive paychecks), for some this is like death penalty! Many small and micro businesses are lost (while billionaires are making billions), many people (and their families) are left to struggle for basic needs!
I didn't change my mind, the whole situation is a "man made"! And be sure that the ride is not over yet, we will see a lot more, this brainwashing campaign is leading us into something. I hope we will wake up before it's too late to make changes for the better!


Tin-foil hats on, but are you saying that China released a bio-weapon to slow down the whole world economy, while they move on with their path faster to become, and replace the United States, as the world's No.1 Super-power?
Look crazy how come Wuhan first place for covid 19 look freedom and many people could going any where together and looks what happen in London and many other countries have loss their dreaming with freedom, they have stay at home and never out from home at the night, look like country and world have war right now with many people afraid to do anything and go any where. Almost one year nothing good speculation with covid 19 will gone, will need one year again?


Title: Re: Second lockdown due to covid19 is painful
Post by: DrBeer on January 08, 2021, 08:52:29 PM
I will now express my opinion regarding the idea that the roots of the man-made coronavirus are China, and even that this is their "plan".

The idea "if something happened - look for someone who benefits" is very ancient. But in this situation, China, as the side "which is profitable", looks very untenable! Let me explain:
1. If we assume that the "homeland of the coronavirus" is really China, then they would most likely seek to "cancel" this fact, because getting the status of the world center for the spread of the virus that led to the pandemic is definitely not in China's hands.
2. A decrease in population all over the world, especially in the United States, as well as a decrease, a very strong decrease in the purchasing power of countries that consume goods from China - this is the death of the Chinese economy! If the US produces DOLLARS, then China produces goods that they, the Chinese, want to sell for DOLLARS, and the US is just the main consumer of their Chinese goods.
I can give more reasoned arguments, but these 2x are quite enough. If you can parry, I will gladly hear your arguments!


Title: Re: Second lockdown due to covid19 is painful
Post by: Twinkledoe on January 08, 2021, 08:58:59 PM
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This is a crazy world! And while some of us fighting with second, third, fourth wave and another lockdown, in some parts of the world things are "normal" (like that ever existed) again!
It's not the same for all of us, while some didn't feel this "situation" (people who continued to work and receive paychecks), for some this is like death penalty! Many small and micro businesses are lost (while billionaires are making billions), many people (and their families) are left to struggle for basic needs!
I didn't change my mind, the whole situation is a "man made"! And be sure that the ride is not over yet, we will see a lot more, this brainwashing campaign is leading us into something. I hope we will wake up before it's too late to make changes for the better!


Tin-foil hats on, but are you saying that China released a bio-weapon to slow down the whole world economy, while they move on with their path faster to become, and replace the United States, as the world's No.1 Super-power?
Look crazy how come Wuhan first place for covid 19 look freedom and many people could going any where together and looks what happen in London and many other countries have loss their dreaming with freedom, they have stay at home and never out from home at the night, look like country and world have war right now with many people afraid to do anything and go any where. Almost one year nothing good speculation with covid 19 will gone, will need one year again?

I think in Wuhan, a lot of people already got their Covid vaccine shot. That's why they have the balls to go out. As other people around the world are still waiting for their vaccine shot, what we can do is stay at home as much as possible and wait for our turn to get this vaccine. I believe the major option not to be infected with this virus, is to get the vaccine. However, with new variant, we don't know the efficiency of the developed vaccine to this new one.


Title: Re: Second lockdown due to covid19 is painful
Post by: Globb0 on January 08, 2021, 09:07:21 PM
London is melting down.

yesterday th rate was 1 in 30 people have covid in London.

TODAY 1 in 15 that is serious.

1 in 15 it now feels more like YOU WILL GET THIS!





Title: Re: Second lockdown due to covid19 is painful
Post by: FlightyPouch on January 08, 2021, 10:23:53 PM
This year is really hard but it will just go harder as another variants are being found. Another lockdown is hard but it is inevitable since the new variants are said to be more dangerous. All of us are having a hard time, especially those that are directly affected by these virus. What we need right now is to adjust and keep on living. We need to be strong and make ways to earn for ourselves and our family.


Title: Re: Second lockdown due to covid19 is painful
Post by: Fatunad on January 08, 2021, 11:11:58 PM
London is melting down.

yesterday th rate was 1 in 30 people have covid in London.

TODAY 1 in 15 that is serious.

1 in 15 it now feels more like YOU WILL GET THIS!


Is this particularly talk about on the new strain? If yes then we are really in big trouble.

We havent finalized the vaccine for covid 19 and now we are facing again for  a new strain which is really more fierce than the older one.

If there would be an another lockdown then i cant imagine on how people and businesses that had been recently affected by those previous lockdowns will able to make
some recovery if it would be followed up by another lockdown.


Title: Re: Second lockdown due to covid19 is painful
Post by: Sithara007 on January 09, 2021, 03:36:06 AM
This year is really hard but it will just go harder as another variants are being found. Another lockdown is hard but it is inevitable since the new variants are said to be more dangerous. All of us are having a hard time, especially those that are directly affected by these virus. What we need right now is to adjust and keep on living. We need to be strong and make ways to earn for ourselves and our family.

Whatever lockdown measures are implemented now, they will not be there for long. Vaccination has already started, and according to Boomberg 18.9 million people have received the first shot of the vaccine (including 7.1 million in the United States and 1.5 million in the United Kingdom). Within a couple of months, hopefully we will be able to witness a steep decline in the number of new infections.


Title: Re: Second lockdown due to covid19 is painful
Post by: iamsheikhadil on January 09, 2021, 06:28:54 AM
I don't think there will be such disastrous lockdowns again. The reason is people are really frustrated and we all know, lockdowns aren't the solution at all. Months of lockdown were there and it proved to be a disaster for economy and way of life. The psychological damage also was huge for common people. Instead of that, we should rely on vaccines and herd immunization so that we can combat the virus without damaging life through another lockdown which has no meaning.


Title: Re: Second lockdown due to covid19 is painful
Post by: Wind_FURY on January 09, 2021, 06:35:35 AM
https://i.insider.com/5fef0e7aa18a450018cb67e9?width=700

This is a crazy world! And while some of us fighting with second, third, fourth wave and another lockdown, in some parts of the world things are "normal" (like that ever existed) again!
It's not the same for all of us, while some didn't feel this "situation" (people who continued to work and receive paychecks), for some this is like death penalty! Many small and micro businesses are lost (while billionaires are making billions), many people (and their families) are left to struggle for basic needs!
I didn't change my mind, the whole situation is a "man made"! And be sure that the ride is not over yet, we will see a lot more, this brainwashing campaign is leading us into something. I hope we will wake up before it's too late to make changes for the better!


Tin-foil hats on, but are you saying that China released a bio-weapon to slow down the whole world economy, while they move on with their path faster to become, and replace the United States, as the world's No.1 Super-power?
Look crazy how come Wuhan first place for covid 19 look freedom and many people could going any where together and looks what happen in London and many other countries have loss their dreaming with freedom, they have stay at home and never out from home at the night, look like country and world have war right now with many people afraid to do anything and go any where. Almost one year nothing good speculation with covid 19 will gone, will need one year again?


Well, that might also just be Chinese propaganda telling Westerners that, "Hey we are better than you, we are your masters now". Tin-foil hats on, but China is demoralizing you.


Title: Re: Second lockdown due to covid19 is painful
Post by: Ladyvirgo on January 09, 2021, 08:40:45 AM
    We are having a very difficult test today...we have not yet fully recovered from the test caused by the pandemic.. especially in the economic aspect.And here is the new threat of a covid-19 which is said to infect faster and possibly implement a second lockdown.The  government needs to do this to protect us and the whole country especially and there is no vaccine here in the country.The only sad thing is that in the midst of the pandemic and the suffering of the people caused by the pandemic there are high government officials who are still working robbing the financial government that is for the people of the country.


Title: Re: Second lockdown due to covid19 is painful
Post by: Globb0 on January 09, 2021, 10:45:12 AM
https://i.insider.com/5fef0e7aa18a450018cb67e9?width=700

This is a crazy world! And while some of us fighting with second, third, fourth wave and another lockdown, in some parts of the world things are "normal" (like that ever existed) again!
It's not the same for all of us, while some didn't feel this "situation" (people who continued to work and receive paychecks), for some this is like death penalty! Many small and micro businesses are lost (while billionaires are making billions), many people (and their families) are left to struggle for basic needs!
I didn't change my mind, the whole situation is a "man made"! And be sure that the ride is not over yet, we will see a lot more, this brainwashing campaign is leading us into something. I hope we will wake up before it's too late to make changes for the better!


Tin-foil hats on, but are you saying that China released a bio-weapon to slow down the whole world economy, while they move on with their path faster to become, and replace the United States, as the world's No.1 Super-power?
Look crazy how come Wuhan first place for covid 19 look freedom and many people could going any where together and looks what happen in London and many other countries have loss their dreaming with freedom, they have stay at home and never out from home at the night, look like country and world have war right now with many people afraid to do anything and go any where. Almost one year nothing good speculation with covid 19 will gone, will need one year again?


Well, that might also just be Chinese propaganda telling Westerners that, "Hey we are better than you, we are your masters now". Tin-foil hats on, but China is demoralizing you.

It was easier for them with just throwing anyone sick in the back of a van


Title: Re: Second lockdown due to covid19 is painful
Post by: rhodelmabanal on January 10, 2021, 02:36:52 AM
I think if the second lockdown due to covid -19 will going to happen many people be affected specially to those who are now suffering the financial crisis, we are all not the same we are living a life in different stages or standing, some people can survive without financial assistance and some people may not and maybe it will lead to a great depression so we need to help each other so that the covid will stop.


Title: Re: Second lockdown due to covid19 is painful
Post by: Sithara007 on January 10, 2021, 03:16:17 AM
Well, that might also just be Chinese propaganda telling Westerners that, "Hey we are better than you, we are your masters now". Tin-foil hats on, but China is demoralizing you.

It is true that there are very few new infections in China, whatever may be the reason for that. For the last 7 months or so, the number of active cases in China has remained in three digits, with the number of daily new cases never getting in to three digits. Now compare this to countries such as the United Kingdom, which had 59,937 new cases and 1,035 new deaths just yesterday.


Title: Re: Second lockdown due to covid19 is painful
Post by: marcbitcoins on January 10, 2021, 03:17:23 AM
The lockdown is really needed so that the government could fully implement all of the safety protocols and regulation to control the old and new virus. Medical specialists said that a recently emerged variant of the coronavirus is unlikely to be more deadly than the previous strain and will probably respond to the vaccines now being distributed, but that its ability to spread more easily means more people could catch the dangerous virus therefore this lockdown is really necessary.


Title: Re: Second lockdown due to covid19 is painful
Post by: inanilujimi on January 10, 2021, 10:56:10 AM
There is even a discourse that after everyone is given the vaccine they still cannot live as usual, and must still adhere to health protocols. what makes me confused is it true that the vaccine can prevent Covid 19 infection?
If this continues, when can the economy get better again?


Title: Re: Second lockdown due to covid19 is painful
Post by: TheGreatPython on January 10, 2021, 01:29:35 PM
The only countries that'll have a second lockdown once the new COVID-19 straint is confirmed, are those countries that are continuously lacking in proper risk management in this pandemic, we don't need vaccine to prevent the virus, New Zealand is one of the great example, we just have the wrong Government that's why we're still on a lockdown after almost a year already. An early travel ban would be a great precaution to prevent the new straint coming in your country. However here in the Philippines, they always says that no travel ban would be applied unless there's a confirmed new COVID-19 straint, how funny is that.

Luckily, by the voice of many people here, they are forced to put a travel ban for everyone's safety (at last).
Honestly lockdown is kind of very important when you are dealing with coronavirus so I can't say I agree with you guys. However prevention is the second stage as well so you are right on that part.

We should had just one big lockdown, like maybe 4 months of it, the governments should have given companies and people enough money to survive that period, made the very basic places like groceries or so working so people would get their needs, and after that we would have seen very low numbers. I support "that" lockdown.

However after that, we should enforce very harsh mask rules, anyone who doesn't wear a mask should be charged with involuntary manslaughter, that way we would be saying people that if you are not wearing a mask, you are involuntarily killing others, at least in the law book it should be that way, and we should provide health and masks and disinfectants to everywhere and everyone for free, government gets out taxes for this purpose so we should be getting it back.


Title: Re: Second lockdown due to covid19 is painful
Post by: chikading2016 on January 11, 2021, 02:23:23 AM
I think second lock down is not necesary because the vaccination is now slowly starting and there is a great posibility that the pandemic will end soon. The people is now slowly starting to live a normal life and the economy will surely recover, however we still need to follow some government guidelines to make everything smooth and to prevent some more problems, i think we only need to wait for a very short period of time to make everything fine.


Title: Re: Second lockdown due to covid19 is painful
Post by: xSkylarx on January 11, 2021, 02:37:00 AM
I think second lock down is not necesary because the vaccination is now slowly starting and there is a great posibility that the pandemic will end soon. The people is now slowly starting to live a normal life and the economy will surely recover, however we still need to follow some government guidelines to make everything smooth and to prevent some more problems, i think we only need to wait for a very short period of time to make everything fine.

Vaccine doesn't guarantee anyone that they won't get covid19 anymore. We all know that the virus mutated to a new more spreadable strain resulting in some countries banning entry of travelers from another country.
And from what I know, the vaccine is only effective for 4 months so you will need to be vaccinated 3x a year. If this is true, governments won't afford to buy vaccines for their people at this rate.
I also don't want another lockdown but at this rate that some people are careless that they go out like there's no virus, it's likely to happen that a lockdown will happen again if new cases spike up again in the next few weeks.


Title: Re: Second lockdown due to covid19 is painful
Post by: raidarksword on January 11, 2021, 03:46:13 AM
This would not happened if only people are more law abiding and careful enough not to go on religious and party gatherings especially during holidays wherein people partying left and right like no covid threat at all in our country. Government didn't make any lapses of always reminding citizens about this but yet they still ignores it by being complacent and when all thing fails they blame the government.


Title: Re: Second lockdown due to covid19 is painful
Post by: Fredomago on January 11, 2021, 04:09:36 AM
This would not happened if only people are more law abiding and careful enough not to go on religious and party gatherings especially during holidays wherein people partying left and right like no covid threat at all in our country. Government didn't make any lapses of always reminding citizens about this but yet they still ignores it by being complacent and when all thing fails they blame the government.

An ordinary human behaviors, once something happened bad they are looking for someone to blame. Instead of taking things seriously and follow all those protocols coming from the government, they've chosen to follow what they've think is good for them for the sake of their personal pleasures.

Government might have some lapses but they are also doing their jobs providing information to avoid or lessen chances of spreading this virus to more people from their jurisdictions.


Title: Re: Second lockdown due to covid19 is painful
Post by: Sithara007 on January 11, 2021, 04:10:18 AM
Vaccine doesn't guarantee anyone that they won't get covid19 anymore. We all know that the virus mutated to a new more spreadable strain resulting in some countries banning entry of travelers from another country.
And from what I know, the vaccine is only effective for 4 months so you will need to be vaccinated 3x a year. If this is true, governments won't afford to buy vaccines for their people at this rate.
I also don't want another lockdown but at this rate that some people are careless that they go out like there's no virus, it's likely to happen that a lockdown will happen again if new cases spike up again in the next few weeks.

Don't spread fake news using this platform. Your post is full of BS. The vaccines are effective for a minimum of 24 months, according to the vaccine manufacturers. It's not like you need to get vaccinated 3 times a year. If you still stick with your argument, then post the proof here. Also, the mutation doesn't have anything to do with the lethality. Death rates remain the same, although the virus has become more contagious now.


Title: Re: Second lockdown due to covid19 is painful
Post by: Chrystora123 on January 11, 2021, 02:43:14 PM
I was fortunate to live in a country that never did LOCKDOWN at all (some countries have even carried out more than 3 lockdowns) LOCKDOWN is not very effective, this is the reason why our country leaders don't do LOCKDOWN..

This would not happened if only people are more law abiding and careful enough not to go on religious and party gatherings especially during holidays wherein people partying left and right like no covid threat at all in our country. Government didn't make any lapses of always reminding citizens about this but yet they still ignores it by being complacent and when all thing fails they blame the government.
The longer the oddity continued to appear, not far from my house was an old man who was suffering from COVID19, I knew that he rarely left the house (because of the receipt he suffered) even he rarely received guests, but why did he get infected with COVID19, whereas I am the diligent going out and going to worship was not exposed at all.  people can still do their daily lives normally and that is not a problem as long as they keep their hands and body clean and always use a mask..


Title: Re: Second lockdown due to covid19 is painful
Post by: sapnu on January 11, 2021, 06:15:39 PM
Vaccine doesn't guarantee anyone that they won't get covid19 anymore. We all know that the virus mutated to a new more spreadable strain resulting in some countries banning entry of travelers from another country.
And from what I know, the vaccine is only effective for 4 months so you will need to be vaccinated 3x a year. If this is true, governments won't afford to buy vaccines for their people at this rate.
I also don't want another lockdown but at this rate that some people are careless that they go out like there's no virus, it's likely to happen that a lockdown will happen again if new cases spike up again in the next few weeks.

Don't spread fake news using this platform. Your post is full of BS. The vaccines are effective for a minimum of 24 months, according to the vaccine manufacturers. It's not like you need to get vaccinated 3 times a year. If you still stick with your argument, then post the proof here. Also, the mutation doesn't have anything to do with the lethality. Death rates remain the same, although the virus has become more contagious now.
I don't really trust those vaccines as of now, since it is the first time that it is being manufactured. There's a new strain of covid out there spreading, I know that because I am watching new and this new strain is really dangerous and can infect other people faster, I don't know what are the new symptoms but as far as I know, it is still affecting the immune system of a person. What I am doing now is that I am keeping myself clean every time and keeping myself indoor.


Title: Re: Second lockdown due to covid19 is painful
Post by: AndySt on January 11, 2021, 09:48:54 PM
Vaccine doesn't guarantee anyone that they won't get covid19 anymore. We all know that the virus mutated to a new more spreadable strain resulting in some countries banning entry of travelers from another country.
And from what I know, the vaccine is only effective for 4 months so you will need to be vaccinated 3x a year. If this is true, governments won't afford to buy vaccines for their people at this rate.
I also don't want another lockdown but at this rate that some people are careless that they go out like there's no virus, it's likely to happen that a lockdown will happen again if new cases spike up again in the next few weeks.
Don't spread fake news using this platform. Your post is full of BS. The vaccines are effective for a minimum of 24 months, according to the vaccine manufacturers. It's not like you need to get vaccinated 3 times a year. If you still stick with your argument, then post the proof here. Also, the mutation doesn't have anything to do with the lethality. Death rates remain the same, although the virus has become more contagious now.
Obviously, the person means vaccines that need to be applied in two stages and it seems that the vaccination of only the first stage and the rejection of the second stage has an effect only for a few months. As for the coronavirus mutation, I want to express the idea that the greater contagiousness of the virus seems to give a greater number of infected people and, as a result, a greater number of deaths, but of course not a greater lethality. As for lethality, there seems to be no change for the worse.


Title: Re: Second lockdown due to covid19 is painful
Post by: xSkylarx on January 12, 2021, 12:53:48 AM
Vaccine doesn't guarantee anyone that they won't get covid19 anymore. We all know that the virus mutated to a new more spreadable strain resulting in some countries banning entry of travelers from another country.
And from what I know, the vaccine is only effective for 4 months so you will need to be vaccinated 3x a year. If this is true, governments won't afford to buy vaccines for their people at this rate.
I also don't want another lockdown but at this rate that some people are careless that they go out like there's no virus, it's likely to happen that a lockdown will happen again if new cases spike up again in the next few weeks.
Don't spread fake news using this platform. Your post is full of BS. The vaccines are effective for a minimum of 24 months, according to the vaccine manufacturers. It's not like you need to get vaccinated 3 times a year. If you still stick with your argument, then post the proof here. Also, the mutation doesn't have anything to do with the lethality. Death rates remain the same, although the virus has become more contagious now.
Obviously, the person means vaccines that need to be applied in two stages and it seems that the vaccination of only the first stage and the rejection of the second stage has an effect only for a few months. As for the coronavirus mutation, I want to express the idea that the greater contagiousness of the virus seems to give a greater number of infected people and, as a result, a greater number of deaths, but of course not a greater lethality. As for lethality, there seems to be no change for the worse.

Yeah, even if the lethality didn't increase, highly susceptible people like 60-70yrs old above or those who have special condition will be more prone to get the virus because of the mutation.
If those people won't be able to fight the virus then it can result to more number of deaths. There's also a chance that some vaccines now won't be that effective to people who have those new strain.
Researchers will need to modify their vaccines to fight this new strain of coronavirus.


Title: Re: Second lockdown due to covid19 is painful
Post by: sukmo on January 12, 2021, 04:44:08 AM
This pandemic is very much making small people die mentally and physically.
Where I live many small communities are confused to make ends meet because they have lost their jobs and their money savings have also run out.
If this covid is not finished, I do not know how they can meet the needs of life, the economy is very bad.


Title: Re: Second lockdown due to covid19 is painful
Post by: Sithara007 on January 12, 2021, 06:05:47 AM
I don't really trust those vaccines as of now, since it is the first time that it is being manufactured. There's a new strain of covid out there spreading, I know that because I am watching new and this new strain is really dangerous and can infect other people faster, I don't know what are the new symptoms but as far as I know, it is still affecting the immune system of a person. What I am doing now is that I am keeping myself clean every time and keeping myself indoor.

Obviously it is the first time that a vaccine against the Coronavirus is being manufactured. The reason is that Coronavirus was unknown to the scientists before 2019. But the vaccine manufacturers (Pfizer, Moderna, Gamaleya Research Institute, Sinopharm.etc) are quite experienced in this field and previously they have invented a numerous vaccines against various viruses, and most of them work very efficiently on humans.


Title: Re: Second lockdown due to covid19 is painful
Post by: Wind_FURY on January 12, 2021, 12:18:54 PM
Well, that might also just be Chinese propaganda telling Westerners that, "Hey we are better than you, we are your masters now". Tin-foil hats on, but China is demoralizing you.

It is true that there are very few new infections in China, whatever may be the reason for that. For the last 7 months or so, the number of active cases in China has remained in three digits, with the number of daily new cases never getting in to three digits. Now compare this to countries such as the United Kingdom, which had 59,937 new cases and 1,035 new deaths just yesterday.


China is closed from foreign media, and it's a nation-state that controls and censors its own media. How are we supposed to know that that's the actual truth?

OR, they already had the vaccine before releasing their bio-weapon? Tin-foil hats on. 8)


Title: Re: Second lockdown due to covid19 is painful
Post by: GeorgeJohn on January 12, 2021, 03:19:14 PM
This pandemic is very much making small people die mentally and physically.
Where I live many small communities are confused to make ends meet because they have lost their jobs and their money savings have also run out.
If this covid is not finished, I do not know how they can meet the needs of life, the economy is very bad.
You are right mate, the virus take's away our relatives, siblings and also render hopeless to people in different angle because many people lost their lifes because inadquate of govenment to control the virus, really the covid has come to an end since the vaccine is out its only politician's that seeing it as a sources of revenue to exploit in life by introducing second lockdown without knowing how people suffer in their areas.


Title: Re: Second lockdown due to covid19 is painful
Post by: Oneandpure on January 12, 2021, 03:19:58 PM
This pandemic is very much making small people die mentally and physically.
Where I live many small communities are confused to make ends meet because they have lost their jobs and their money savings have also run out.
If this covid is not finished, I do not know how they can meet the needs of life, the economy is very bad.
You are right mate, the virus take's away our relatives, siblings and also render hopeless to people in different angle because many people lost their lifes because inadquate of govenment to control the virus, really the covid has come to an end since the vaccine is out its only politician's that seeing it as a sources of revenue to exploit in life by introducing second lockdown without knowing how people suffer in their areas.
China have any trick and always hidden data to public and close all media how their situation right now, how many people there positive covid 19 still not have any correct information data and always hidden for public and close all news for other country, they are make business with product many vaccine and sell to other country, but I don't know why my country believe with bastard China to buy vaccine without have any proof will be effective or not with vaccine, how come by using vaccine will make condition extremely.


Title: Re: Second lockdown due to covid19 is painful
Post by: South Park on January 12, 2021, 10:18:42 PM
This is going to be exceptionally difficult for everyone involved, lockdowns are very hard on people, for the most part people live day by day and they do not have any savings and the few that did most likely have already used them during the pandemic to pay for medical services or just to pay for all what we need to protect ourselves in our daily lives, this means that a new generalized lockdown could be even worse than the first one as people are incapable of taking it anymore.

A choice needs to be made between implementing a lockdown or opting for more deaths and infections from COVID 19. Considering that, the governments don't have any other choice available. Anyway, it is just a matter of one or two months. By then, the peak winter will be over in the Northern hemisphere and the impact of the vaccination program will be visible.
I hope this is the scenario that happens but even in the US the vaccination has been many times slower than what they thought they would have at this point, and the new strain of the virus is already all over the world and even if many are saying that the vaccine is going to be effective against the new strain I have yet to see a single scientific study saying this is true and until I do so then those claims are nothing but speculation, so while I hope things improve significantly during the next months we cannot discard the possibility that does not happen.


Title: Re: Second lockdown due to covid19 is painful
Post by: Febo on January 12, 2021, 11:17:07 PM
It will be painful 4 months for most countries since they will not be able to vaccinate enough people before start of Spring. In May lock downs will stop and economic recovery will finally start. It will take years that economy will get to January 2020 level.


Title: Re: Second lockdown due to covid19 is painful
Post by: Sithara007 on January 13, 2021, 04:36:01 AM
It will be painful 4 months for most countries since they will not be able to vaccinate enough people before start of Spring. In May lock downs will stop and economic recovery will finally start. It will take years that economy will get to January 2020 level.

In another month or so, the winter season in the Northern hemisphere will end and that will naturally cause a reduction in the number of new cases. Vaccination is progressing at a very slow pace and therefore I am not expecting it to have a major impact anytime soon. Till now, only 30 million vaccine shots have been administered, out of a global population of 7.7 billion. It is going to take another 6-7 months before we witness the first signs of the vaccination impact.


Title: Re: Second lockdown due to covid19 is painful
Post by: gabbie2010 on January 13, 2021, 05:38:58 AM
Vaccine doesn't guarantee anyone that they won't get covid19 anymore. We all know that the virus mutated to a new more spreadable strain resulting in some countries banning entry of travelers from another country.
And from what I know, the vaccine is only effective for 4 months so you will need to be vaccinated 3x a year. If this is true, governments won't afford to buy vaccines for their people at this rate.
I also don't want another lockdown but at this rate that some people are careless that they go out like there's no virus, it's likely to happen that a lockdown will happen again if new cases spike up again in the next few weeks.

Don't spread fake news using this platform. Your post is full of BS. The vaccines are effective for a minimum of 24 months, according to the vaccine manufacturers. It's not like you need to get vaccinated 3 times a year. If you still stick with your argument, then post the proof here. Also, the mutation doesn't have anything to do with the lethality. Death rates remain the same, although the virus has become more contagious now.
I don't really trust those vaccines as of now, since it is the first time that it is being manufactured. There's a new strain of covid out there spreading, I know that because I am watching new and this new strain is really dangerous and can infect other people faster, I don't know what are the new symptoms but as far as I know, it is still affecting the immune system of a person. What I am doing now is that I am keeping myself clean every time and keeping myself indoor.
Does that mean the vaccine will not be effective against the new strain? I remembered vividly that the vaccine came out before the new strain was discovered, the rate at which it spreading and contagious rate is quite fearful, the economic impact of these pandemic is very devastating and sadly it is not ending now, I hope the vaccine will be effective in preventing the spread of the new strain once inoculated.


Title: Re: Second lockdown due to covid19 is painful
Post by: avarnet on January 13, 2021, 06:15:40 AM
It will be painful 4 months for most countries since they will not be able to vaccinate enough people before start of Spring. In May lock downs will stop and economic recovery will finally start. It will take years that economy will get to January 2020 level.
In my country, it is currently in the vaccination program phase, but the fact is that currently there are still a lot of lockdowns due to the spread of the virus, which is getting more and more intense. I have no idea when this will end because honestly many people either lose their jobs or don't have any income. and my country is also experiencing a recession due to corona


Title: Re: Second lockdown due to covid19 is painful
Post by: bakasabo on January 13, 2021, 09:13:21 AM
In another month or so, the winter season in the Northern hemisphere will end and that will naturally cause a reduction in the number of new cases. Vaccination is progressing at a very slow pace and therefore I am not expecting it to have a major impact anytime soon. Till now, only 30 million vaccine shots have been administered, out of a global population of 7.7 billion. It is going to take another 6-7 months before we witness the first signs of the vaccination impact.

I've read that the virus has evolved or mutated and it might affect on the effectiveness of vaccine. I think that due to that number of cases wont change.

In our country vaccination is also a very slow process. It might sound funny, yet it is sad - our government was not prepared for vaccine. Can you imagine that? We have received, if I'm not mistaken, 3 big deliveries and havent distributed them fully. I've read that the amount of distributed vaccine decreases daily. Nonsense! It turned to be there was no plan B, or even plan A for vaccine distribution developed. Health minister thought that "We will cure from covid-19 by ourselves by lockdown and other limitations. We will find the cure (failed) and find that "patient zero"".


Title: Re: Second lockdown due to covid19 is painful
Post by: milewilda on January 13, 2021, 11:16:38 AM
It will be painful 4 months for most countries since they will not be able to vaccinate enough people before start of Spring. In May lock downs will stop and economic recovery will finally start. It will take years that economy will get to January 2020 level.
In my country, it is currently in the vaccination program phase, but the fact is that currently there are still a lot of lockdowns due to the spread of the virus, which is getting more and more intense. I have no idea when this will end because honestly many people either lose their jobs or don't have any income. and my country is also experiencing a recession due to corona

Aside from that it's hard to find a legit vaccine and honestly many people in different countries aren't focusing to take this as a shelter to become free for a killer Covid-19 ,usually many people saying that it is not affordable to a poor person.
I doubt that the vaccine would really be that expensive because not all people will able to avail and the sad reality on where not all are really that have the money to buy out in case if theres already some available
but really much that of expensive.So far there is no official announcement on having that mass production and for those vaccines that had been scattered out then i wont tend to risk on taking those
because it will really take some time for it to prove out to be effective because we are really on the risk on getting those reactions or side effects and i cant just afford to test it out.
Second lockdown due to another strain of covid 19? that would really be putting much more trouble to people and to entire countries in terms of economic ones.


Title: Re: Second lockdown due to covid19 is painful
Post by: Oneandpure on January 13, 2021, 12:49:09 PM
My country begin test with vaccine but still not give freedom for many people to go anywhere and keep stay at home, I think what for with vaccine launching without have freedom for many people and keep going any where. Will be vaccine is not effective or only as business project for government and many people take benefit with vaccine. I think better not take vaccine first without see the result and what bad side from vaccine at the human body, will make many bad thing or not.


Title: Re: Second lockdown due to covid19 is painful
Post by: pinggoki on January 13, 2021, 04:48:53 PM
My country begin test with vaccine but still not give freedom for many people to go anywhere and keep stay at home, I think what for with vaccine launching without have freedom for many people and keep going any where. Will be vaccine is not effective or only as business project for government and many people take benefit with vaccine. I think better not take vaccine first without see the result and what bad side from vaccine at the human body, will make many bad thing or not.
My country also started testing and deploying the vaccine right now and the thing is that there is an another virus that has been mutated in which it is more stronger than the Covid19 or another strain of virus. Taking the vaccine very soon was the best thing to do because it is already tested by the professionals and also wait for the results of it in order to be sure that the vaccine is already safe to the covid19 virus.


Title: Re: Second lockdown due to covid19 is painful
Post by: DrBeer on January 14, 2021, 12:33:39 PM
Honestly lockdown is kind of very important when you are dealing with coronavirus so I can't say I agree with you guys. However prevention is the second stage as well so you are right on that part.
We should had just one big lockdown, like maybe 4 months of it, the governments should have given companies and people enough money to survive that period, made the very basic places like groceries or so working so people would get their needs, and after that we would have seen very low numbers. I support "that" lockdown.
However after that, we should enforce very harsh mask rules, anyone who doesn't wear a mask should be charged with involuntary manslaughter, that way we would be saying people that if you are not wearing a mask, you are involuntarily killing others, at least in the law book it should be that way, and we should provide health and masks and disinfectants to everywhere and everyone for free, government gets out taxes for this purpose so we should be getting it back.

On the one hand, it may seem that the survival of the nation is at stake. But if you look at it from a different angle, the question is which creates more real problems - covid or lockdown / isolation.
Covid is a dangerous disease, with its insidious nuances (I myself had been ill with covid in early December 2020, i.e. recently). But I would not call it a fatal pandemic, because of which it is worth killing the economy! I do not presume to judge what is being done with the USA, Britain, China or India. I see what is happening in my country. Yes, people are dying of disease. But this is not a pestilence, as was the case, for example, from the bubonic plague, or the Spanish flu. But with the business happens just pestilence and mass death! Isolation and quarantine lead to the requirement to close shops, private office / production / restrict the work of retail chains / and much more. At the beginning, we do not understand the scale of the tragedy - why has the cafe near the house closed? And these are people without work, without income, who do not pay taxes, BUT will become consumers of social assistance. And with a probability of 85-95% they will never resume their business! Small and small, private business, can form up to 30-40% of the budget! Imagine what the economy will survive, in which budget revenues will fall by 40% and the load and expenditure side will grow by 20-30% (social security of those who have become unemployed)? And then a chain reaction begins - there is no money in the budget = reduction of costs for social services, public services, including MEDICINE. And now, without normal support, patients who were previously TREATED at the expense of budgetary funds for medicine WILL DIE because there is no funds for the purchase of drugs, technical means, etc. Maybe we need to be pragmatists, not alarmists?


Title: Re: Second lockdown due to covid19 is painful
Post by: Mauser on January 14, 2021, 01:16:51 PM
My country begin test with vaccine but still not give freedom for many people to go anywhere and keep stay at home, I think what for with vaccine launching without have freedom for many people and keep going any where. Will be vaccine is not effective or only as business project for government and many people take benefit with vaccine. I think better not take vaccine first without see the result and what bad side from vaccine at the human body, will make many bad thing or not.
My country also started testing and deploying the vaccine right now and the thing is that there is an another virus that has been mutated in which it is more stronger than the Covid19 or another strain of virus. Taking the vaccine very soon was the best thing to do because it is already tested by the professionals and also wait for the results of it in order to be sure that the vaccine is already safe to the covid19 virus.

I which we had already vaccines for everybody available. At the moment it looks like it will take another 6 month to fully vaccinate everybody in my country which is kind of a long time. I read that the immunity of the vaccine is likely to last only for 1 year. So we might be back to exactly the same place like this year. If these mutations keep on coming it could be the case also that we will need a different vaccine each year.


Title: Re: Second lockdown due to covid19 is painful
Post by: Reatim on January 14, 2021, 02:13:34 PM
My country begin test with vaccine but still not give freedom for many people to go anywhere and keep stay at home, I think what for with vaccine launching without have freedom for many people and keep going any where. Will be vaccine is not effective or only as business project for government and many people take benefit with vaccine. I think better not take vaccine first without see the result and what bad side from vaccine at the human body, will make many bad thing or not.
My country also started testing and deploying the vaccine right now and the thing is that there is an another virus that has been mutated in which it is more stronger than the Covid19 or another strain of virus. Taking the vaccine very soon was the best thing to do because it is already tested by the professionals and also wait for the results of it in order to be sure that the vaccine is already safe to the covid19 virus.

I which we had already vaccines for everybody available. At the moment it looks like it will take another 6 month to fully vaccinate everybody in my country which is kind of a long time. I read that the immunity of the vaccine is likely to last only for 1 year. So we might be back to exactly the same place like this year. If these mutations keep on coming it could be the case also that we will need a different vaccine each year.
The problem is the Vaccine is not 100% efficient meaning there is still a Possibilities that One wont be cured or Immune in having the Virus again after the vaccination .
But at least it's better than nothing at all because this Virus turned the wolrd turning stops for a while and at some point we seems returning to where we started.
So hopefully this vaccine will Bring us again to our real Life and specially the economy so the Crypto market will go more far from this.


Title: Re: Second lockdown due to covid19 is painful
Post by: Vishnu.Reang on January 14, 2021, 08:14:25 PM
The problem is the Vaccine is not 100% efficient meaning there is still a Possibilities that One wont be cured or Immune in having the Virus again after the vaccination .
But at least it's better than nothing at all because this Virus turned the wolrd turning stops for a while and at some point we seems returning to where we started.
So hopefully this vaccine will Bring us again to our real Life and specially the economy so the Crypto market will go more far from this.

Increasing the efficiency to 100% will take a lot of research. Coronavirus was unknown to the scientists until 2020. Yet they managed to create a vaccine that is more than 95% effective. And it is not that easy to create anti-viral vaccines anyway. Because unlike the bacteria and other micro-organisms, the viruses mutate a lot and that makes it very hard to create efficient vaccines. So as of now, there is a significant chance (5% to 10%) of getting COVID 19 despite the vaccination. But at present, vaccination is the best option we got.


Title: Re: Second lockdown due to covid19 is painful
Post by: imstillthebest on January 14, 2021, 09:25:17 PM
The problem is the Vaccine is not 100% efficient meaning there is still a Possibilities that One wont be cured or Immune in having the Virus again after the vaccination .
But at least it's better than nothing at all because this Virus turned the wolrd turning stops for a while and at some point we seems returning to where we started.
So hopefully this vaccine will Bring us again to our real Life and specially the economy so the Crypto market will go more far from this.

Increasing the efficiency to 100% will take a lot of research. Coronavirus was unknown to the scientists until 2020. Yet they managed to create a vaccine that is more than 95% effective. And it is not that easy to create anti-viral vaccines anyway. Because unlike the bacteria and other micro-organisms, the viruses mutate a lot and that makes it very hard to create efficient vaccines. So as of now, there is a significant chance (5% to 10%) of getting COVID 19 despite the vaccination. But at present, vaccination is the best option we got.
no such thing as 100 percent effective because if we look on advertisement they only shows us 99 percent at most on the medical products ex. soap , medicine , vitamins and vaccines and take note that most of those products are not new but they still cant perfect it . vaccination isnt the only best option that we got but we have lockdowns , quarantines and tools to prevent getting infected and prevent the virus from further spread and doing those is more safer and natural than taking vaccines that may cause health problems and make the situation more worst .


Title: Re: Second lockdown due to covid19 is painful
Post by: AndySt on January 14, 2021, 09:45:41 PM
no such thing as 100 percent effective because if we look on advertisement they only shows us 99 percent at most on the medical products ex. soap , medicine , vitamins and vaccines and take note that most of those products are not new but they still cant perfect it . vaccination isnt the only best option that we got but we have lockdowns , quarantines and tools to prevent getting infected and prevent the virus from further spread and doing those is more safer and natural than taking vaccines that may cause health problems and make the situation more worst .
Lockdowns and quarantines have a detrimental effect on economic activity and in the long term can lead to greater mortality and morbidity of other diseases due to a drop in the level of income of the population, so vaccination is usually more effective in the long term than these conservative measures. Also, let's not forget about inconveniences for citizens in the best case or restrictions on rights and freedoms in the worst case.


Title: Re: Second lockdown due to covid19 is painful
Post by: Sithara007 on January 15, 2021, 04:01:49 AM
no such thing as 100 percent effective because if we look on advertisement they only shows us 99 percent at most on the medical products ex. soap , medicine , vitamins and vaccines and take note that most of those products are not new but they still cant perfect it . vaccination isnt the only best option that we got but we have lockdowns , quarantines and tools to prevent getting infected and prevent the virus from further spread and doing those is more safer and natural than taking vaccines that may cause health problems and make the situation more worst .

You don't need a 100% effective vaccine to prevent the spread of COVID 19. Most of the government agencies are saying that they will approve any vaccine, which shows more than 50% effectiveness. And that is how the vaccine manufactured by Sinopharm got its approval, despite an efficiency of just 50.4%. Even a 50% efficient vaccine will reduce the COVID 19 cases by half. And in most of the countries, the infection rate per patient is around 1. That means that if it is reduced by half, then the pandemic can be contained in a matter of months.


Title: Re: Second lockdown due to covid19 is painful
Post by: bryant.coleman on January 15, 2021, 04:47:27 AM
The new strain of Corona Virus is slowly spreading and starting to reach different countries. If this spread is not contained at the early stage, we will go back where we started to, another lockdown might happen to secure tat the virus doesn't spread as bad how the firdt wave of Covid did.

It is just not one new strain. There are multiple strains being reported from all around the world, and many of them are highly contagious. It was expected, as more than 90 million people are infected till date and the viruses are known to mutate rapidly. However, the good news is that none of the strains seems to be resistant to the vaccines. So the current bunch of vaccines should be able to contain them.


Title: Re: Second lockdown due to covid19 is painful
Post by: Globb0 on January 15, 2021, 03:00:03 PM
there is going to be less people after. I wonder how it will affect wealth?

Will there be a bit more to "go around"?






Title: Re: Second lockdown due to covid19 is painful
Post by: AndySt on January 15, 2021, 11:32:24 PM
The new strain of Corona Virus is slowly spreading and starting to reach different countries. If this spread is not contained at the early stage, we will go back where we started to, another lockdown might happen to secure tat the virus doesn't spread as bad how the firdt wave of Covid did.
It is just not one new strain. There are multiple strains being reported from all around the world, and many of them are highly contagious. It was expected, as more than 90 million people are infected till date and the viruses are known to mutate rapidly. However, the good news is that none of the strains seems to be resistant to the vaccines. So the current bunch of vaccines should be able to contain them.
In a loose retelling, you can say that if two bullets out of your hundred barrels do not hit the target, you will still have 98 barrels to hit the target. So far, the principles and mechanisms of coronavirus infection have not changed much recently, that is, it is all the same COVID 19, so it is too early to sound the alarm. By the way, it is the constant mutations of the flu virus that do not allow us to develop permanent immunity to humanity and the flu marches around the planet every year. Undoubtedly, something similar awaits us with COVID 19 and let's hope that in the coming years the mortality rate will be much lower.


Title: Re: Second lockdown due to covid19 is painful
Post by: Sithara007 on January 16, 2021, 03:15:07 AM
In a loose retelling, you can say that if two bullets out of your hundred barrels do not hit the target, you will still have 98 barrels to hit the target. So far, the principles and mechanisms of coronavirus infection have not changed much recently, that is, it is all the same COVID 19, so it is too early to sound the alarm. By the way, it is the constant mutations of the flu virus that do not allow us to develop permanent immunity to humanity and the flu marches around the planet every year. Undoubtedly, something similar awaits us with COVID 19 and let's hope that in the coming years the mortality rate will be much lower.

The challenge is to complete the vaccination before a mutation occurs with the Coronavirus, which makes it immune to the current COVID 19 vaccines. You can expect mutations quite soon, as almost 100 million people have been infected till date. The greater the spread, greater will be the risk of mutations. The vaccine manufacturers should target to complete inoculation by the end of this year.


Title: Re: Second lockdown due to covid19 is painful
Post by: samputin on January 16, 2021, 09:30:27 AM
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It is just not one new strain. There are multiple strains being reported from all around the world, and many of them are highly contagious. It was expected, as more than 90 million people are infected till date and the viruses are known to mutate rapidly. However, the good news is that none of the strains seems to be resistant to the vaccines. So the current bunch of vaccines should be able to contain them.
The first part of your statement scared me. I mean, I'm not aware of that until I have read your post. It's actually even more frightening to go outside with the new strain. The first new case of the strain happened in our country but fortunately, the close contacts were tested negative for it and the person is already isolated. Hopefully, no other case with the new strain will rise up.

Anyway, the last part of your statement gave me relief. Let's hope that the vaccine can really contain it so it won't affect more people and add up to the increasing number of infected. Let's still be careful, though.


Title: Re: Second lockdown due to covid19 is painful
Post by: mich on January 16, 2021, 10:12:39 AM
Youre not kidding when you say how difficult this now 2nd Lockdown for Covid 19 is. And to think we might have a 3rd Lockdown if things dont get better.
But this is something we were all warned from our governments that we should expect it to be like this and to not be surprised when were forced to remain in our homes.  
Many businesses that I would go to when we were in Stage 1 are now closed making it more difficult to find items needed during our 2nd Lockdown.


Title: Re: Second lockdown due to covid19 is painful
Post by: celot on January 16, 2021, 12:09:24 PM
Youre not kidding when you say how difficult this now 2nd Lockdown for Covid 19 is. And to think we might have a 3rd Lockdown if things dont get better.
But this is something we were all warned from our governments that we should expect it to be like this and to not be surprised when were forced to remain in our homes.  
Many businesses that I would go to when we were in Stage 1 are now closed making it more difficult to find items needed during our 2nd Lockdown.
Will have more than tenth lock down I think because almost country every day always get more positive covid 19, more than one year we keep fighting with covid 19 and still not have chance this virus gone and keep make us always busy how take care and keep stay at home, one month on this year still not have any way will covid 19 gone or keep existing to make us always worry with pandemic. How long lock down happen to our country and how many people will pass away again?


Title: Re: Second lockdown due to covid19 is painful
Post by: shield132 on January 16, 2021, 05:09:38 PM
Yes, it is. The second lockdown will be necessary to prevent many people gets infected from the new variant of Covid-19 which already spreads to some countries. While the vaccine is not yet distributed to many hospitals and not many people get cured by the vaccine, a new virus is already attacked England, and some country prohibits for people who come from England to enter to their country. I guess the attack of the Covid-19 will continue in the next year, and with the new virus comes out, we really need to extra careful in the public area.
Why is it necessary? If you are afraid of Covid, then stay at home. If I am a young, very healthy person living isolated, alone, then what's wrong with me? Why shouldn't I work? Especially if I protect all the recommendations + always protect the social distance?

When the government tells you that quarantine and restrictions are needed to stop the spread of Covid, it means that they tell you: You are dumbass stupid who is so silly that I have to push him by law.

In reality, this lockdown will be painful for us but not for them. Show me any politician who suffers from financial loses because of covid, they get a salary like before and make tons of money in vaccine orders, PCR tests, etc.


Title: Re: Second lockdown due to covid19 is painful
Post by: bryant.coleman on January 17, 2021, 12:51:15 PM
Why is it necessary? If you are afraid of Covid, then stay at home. If I am a young, very healthy person living isolated, alone, then what's wrong with me? Why shouldn't I work? Especially if I protect all the recommendations + always protect the social distance?

When the government tells you that quarantine and restrictions are needed to stop the spread of Covid, it means that they tell you: You are dumbass stupid who is so silly that I have to push him by law.

In reality, this lockdown will be painful for us but not for them. Show me any politician who suffers from financial loses because of covid, they get a salary like before and make tons of money in vaccine orders, PCR tests, etc.

I understand your concerns, regarding the loss of income. You are not alone. Although I am lucky to receive the full salary during the lockdown period, I know about a lot of my friends who are struggling to make their ends meet. But the choices we have are limited. Daily infections and deaths are at all time high, and if the governments think that another round of lockdown is necessary, then we need to cooperate with them.


Title: Re: Second lockdown due to covid19 is painful
Post by: South Park on January 17, 2021, 08:32:43 PM
It will be painful 4 months for most countries since they will not be able to vaccinate enough people before start of Spring. In May lock downs will stop and economic recovery will finally start. It will take years that economy will get to January 2020 level.
I agree that it will take years to see the same levels in the economy that we had before the pandemic and it will probably take years as well to vaccinate everyone, but at the same time I think that at least in this topic governments are doing it correctly, we need to vaccinate the people that are the most vulnerable to the virus and those people are the healthcare professionals and older people, once those two groups are protected from the virus I think we're going to see a very important decrease in the number of deaths during this pandemic.


Title: Re: Second lockdown due to covid19 is painful
Post by: Oilacris on January 17, 2021, 08:59:28 PM
It will be painful 4 months for most countries since they will not be able to vaccinate enough people before start of Spring. In May lock downs will stop and economic recovery will finally start. It will take years that economy will get to January 2020 level.
I agree that it will take years to see the same levels in the economy that we had before the pandemic and it will probably take years as well to vaccinate everyone, but at the same time I think that at least in this topic governments are doing it correctly, we need to vaccinate the people that are the most vulnerable to the virus and those people are the healthcare professionals and older people, once those two groups are protected from the virus I think we're going to see a very important decrease in the number of deaths during this pandemic.
But the question is, would those vaccines hadnt any side effects? We had seen some incidents that do talk about dying on to those who had been vaccinated.

Here are the news;

https://www.businesstoday.in/current/world/covid-19-vaccination-23-elderly-people-dead-after-pfizer-shot-in-norway/story/428119.html
https://www.nydailynews.com/coronavirus/ny-covid-nursing-home-residents-norway-die-covid-vaccine-20210115-wuxa3uprrzhrlkcptkgpqqaoiq-story.html

This will surely take sometime before anything would be finalized or going back to normal.


Title: Re: Second lockdown due to covid19 is painful
Post by: AndySt on January 17, 2021, 11:46:39 PM
It will be painful 4 months for most countries since they will not be able to vaccinate enough people before start of Spring. In May lock downs will stop and economic recovery will finally start. It will take years that economy will get to January 2020 level.
I agree that it will take years to see the same levels in the economy that we had before the pandemic and it will probably take years as well to vaccinate everyone, but at the same time I think that at least in this topic governments are doing it correctly, we need to vaccinate the people that are the most vulnerable to the virus and those people are the healthcare professionals and older people, once those two groups are protected from the virus I think we're going to see a very important decrease in the number of deaths during this pandemic.
Let's hope that the next winter humanity will meet already fully armed and will be able to extinguish the planned wave in the bud. The most important task now is really to minimize the number of deaths in at-risk groups. Although some states are already thinking about full vaccination by the summer season, but there are pitfalls and a lot depends on the size of the state itself and the consciousness of the population. Also, only after about six months, the real effectiveness of the vaccines used will be understood.


Title: Re: Second lockdown due to covid19 is painful
Post by: Obito on January 18, 2021, 01:28:23 AM
Youre not kidding when you say how difficult this now 2nd Lockdown for Covid 19 is. And to think we might have a 3rd Lockdown if things dont get better.
But this is something we were all warned from our governments that we should expect it to be like this and to not be surprised when were forced to remain in our homes.   
Many businesses that I would go to when we were in Stage 1 are now closed making it more difficult to find items needed during our 2nd Lockdown.
It will not be difficult if we will listen to the scientific community, if they want us to stay indoors and avoid crowded places then we should do so, if they want to us to wear mask when going out in public then we should do so, you are in no right to endanger others because you are trying to exercise your right to not wear a mask. There are some things that are out of our control though, one example of them and by far is the biggest is the incompetence of the government. If we continue to ignore science then we might as well get a third lockdown.


Title: Re: Second lockdown due to covid19 is painful
Post by: Sithara007 on January 18, 2021, 04:01:24 AM
Let's hope that the next winter humanity will meet already fully armed and will be able to extinguish the planned wave in the bud. The most important task now is really to minimize the number of deaths in at-risk groups. Although some states are already thinking about full vaccination by the summer season, but there are pitfalls and a lot depends on the size of the state itself and the consciousness of the population. Also, only after about six months, the real effectiveness of the vaccines used will be understood.

The vaccination program has fallen behind the targets in most of the countries. Manufacturers such as Pfizer are reporting delays in dispatching the vaccine vials and this means that the vaccination of priority population may take some more time. Till now more than 42 million people have been vaccinated (with 14.3 million in the United States). The number still represents less than 1% of the world population.


Title: Re: Second lockdown due to covid19 is painful
Post by: Globb0 on January 18, 2021, 10:15:12 AM
Being from a first world country I suppose everyone is getting complacent now.

A matter of months to beat the main virus.

Sadly where does it leave poor countries?

How long with they have to wait to be free of fear?


Title: Re: Second lockdown due to covid19 is painful
Post by: Mauser on January 18, 2021, 10:31:11 AM
Being from a first world country I suppose everyone is getting complacent now.

A matter of months to beat the main virus.

Sadly where does it leave poor countries?

How long with they have to wait to be free of fear?

In my country they extended the lockdown for another 2 months but I am bit sure if this going to be enough. It is likely going to take 6 months for most of the people to get vaccinated. It's good that there is a cheap vaccine from Astrazeneca compared to the others, but who knows how fast it can be mass produced for the poorer countries.


Title: Re: Second lockdown due to covid19 is painful
Post by: kpierce77 on January 18, 2021, 12:35:24 PM
I'm not against Lockdown, but I don't think some of the regulations implemented by the government are right on target. In making a regulation, of course the government takes serious considerations, including in overcoming economic disparities from every aspect, because as the OP said, not all people have the same economic capacity. Also, in the school system for children, I really don't like it, children have to go to school, albeit with fairly strict preventive measures for their safety


Title: Re: Second lockdown due to covid19 is painful
Post by: Oneandpure on January 18, 2021, 06:59:46 PM
In my country they extended the lockdown for another 2 months but I am bit sure if this going to be enough. It is likely going to take 6 months for most of the people to get vaccinated. It's good that there is a cheap vaccine from Astrazeneca compared to the others, but who knows how fast it can be mass produced for the poorer countries.

We don't have a choice here. Countries in the Northern hemisphere are not doing well now, and at least until the end of the winter season that will be the case. Hopefully by the end of February the situation will get better (as the temperatures rise). But until then, additional precautions need to be made. The slow pace of the vaccination process is another concern. At this pace, it will take ages to vaccinate everyone.
My country not called with lock down but just labeled with activity restrictions for all people just enough only 7.00 PM have closed activity and never allowed if you are out home, just for two weeks later and never have any good ideas how to stop this covid 19 without activity restrictions where we can go anywhere, I think very boring for student more than one yea have study at home without faced to faced on the school, maybe how boring them without meet with their teacher and their friend.


Title: Re: Second lockdown due to covid19 is painful
Post by: bakasabo on January 18, 2021, 07:10:50 PM
We dont have a full lockdown, but have some limitation and curfew. Last week was quite chilly, most of the people stayed at home, number of cases decreased. I hope this fact wont be a signal for relax, thinking that the virus is defeated and continue to distribute vaccine.

My country not called with lock down but just labeled with activity restrictions for all people just enough only 7.00 PM have closed activity and never allowed if you are out home.

We have almost identical situation. People caught by police for being outside in the evening are fined from 500 to 2000 euro. And you know what, that does not help. Still there people outside and the number of cases did not decreased significantly.


Title: Re: Second lockdown due to covid19 is painful
Post by: Oneandpure on January 18, 2021, 07:15:35 PM
We dont have a full lockdown, but have some limitation and curfew. Last week was quite chilly, most of the people stayed at home, number of cases decreased. I hope this fact wont be a signal for relax, thinking that the virus is defeated and continue to distribute vaccine.

My country not called with lock down but just labeled with activity restrictions for all people just enough only 7.00 PM have closed activity and never allowed if you are out home.

We have almost identical situation. People caught by police for being outside in the evening are fined from 500 to 2000 euro. And you know what, that does not help. Still there people outside and the number of cases did not decreased significantly.
Stay at home is not win solution how ever how many time police man and government could stop activities for their people and take fined more than 500 euro for their people, how fair this situation during pandemic and we most hardly how to get job and earn money but government make unfair way for their people, I think more than one year we stay at home but why not give any effect with covid 19 gone, if keep at home more than one months and they out again will get new positive covid 19,


Title: Re: Second lockdown due to covid19 is painful
Post by: Renampun on January 18, 2021, 08:15:54 PM
Being from a first world country I suppose everyone is getting complacent now.

A matter of months to beat the main virus.

Sadly where does it leave poor countries?

How long with they have to wait to be free of fear?
in this case, not all countries are lucky...
Feeling sorry for the poor countries today is useless. however no country can escape from the current fear even if a rich country. *pray for ourselves and all our respective families


Title: Re: Second lockdown due to covid19 is painful
Post by: AndySt on January 18, 2021, 11:15:21 PM
I'm not against Lockdown, but I don't think some of the regulations implemented by the government are right on target. In making a regulation, of course the government takes serious considerations, including in overcoming economic disparities from every aspect, because as the OP said, not all people have the same economic capacity. Also, in the school system for children, I really don't like it, children have to go to school, albeit with fairly strict preventive measures for their safety
The most important goal of the government is to minimize contacts between large groups of the population, because according to the latest scientific studies, the main route of infection of covid 19 is contacts between sick and healthy people. But how exactly to limit these contacts there are no universal recipes, because the population density, the development of health infrastructure, the availability of free beds in different countries and regions is different.


Title: Re: Second lockdown due to covid19 is painful
Post by: Sithara007 on January 19, 2021, 04:15:10 AM
Stay at home is not win solution how ever how many time police man and government could stop activities for their people and take fined more than 500 euro for their people, how fair this situation during pandemic and we most hardly how to get job and earn money but government make unfair way for their people, I think more than one year we stay at home but why not give any effect with covid 19 gone, if keep at home more than one months and they out again will get new positive covid 19,

We got in to this situation because a lot of people were earlier refusing to obey the lockdown instructions. If the spread of the virus was kept under control, then new lockdowns were not even required. But that is not the case. There is a section of the population, which refused to obey the instructions. I understand that it is hard on some groups, especially blue-collar workers. But right now most of the European countries are witnessing record number of new infections. At least until this situation improves, the lockdown measures will remain in place.


Title: Re: Second lockdown due to covid19 is painful
Post by: Oneandpure on January 19, 2021, 02:44:41 PM
Stay at home is not win solution how ever how many time police man and government could stop activities for their people and take fined more than 500 euro for their people, how fair this situation during pandemic and we most hardly how to get job and earn money but government make unfair way for their people, I think more than one year we stay at home but why not give any effect with covid 19 gone, if keep at home more than one months and they out again will get new positive covid 19,

We got in to this situation because a lot of people were earlier refusing to obey the lockdown instructions. If the spread of the virus was kept under control, then new lockdowns were not even required. But that is not the case. There is a section of the population, which refused to obey the instructions. I understand that it is hard on some groups, especially blue-collar workers. But right now most of the European countries are witnessing record number of new infections. At least until this situation improves, the lockdown measures will remain in place.
I agree with your but if keep at home for one month will got free one month later and never have any lockdown again? I think this virus could bot be die although with any country have take lockdown but when give freedom still have new positive covid 19, now the era we always work at home and do anything in the home, maybe vaccine have publish become solution for covid 19 die and not any positive covid 19 again, we need working and get freedom back after one year without any thing can't we don,


Title: Re: Second lockdown due to covid19 is painful
Post by: Fredomago on January 19, 2021, 11:01:36 PM
I'm not against Lockdown, but I don't think some of the regulations implemented by the government are right on target. In making a regulation, of course the government takes serious considerations, including in overcoming economic disparities from every aspect, because as the OP said, not all people have the same economic capacity. Also, in the school system for children, I really don't like it, children have to go to school, albeit with fairly strict preventive measures for their safety
The most important goal of the government is to minimize contacts between large groups of the population, because according to the latest scientific studies, the main route of infection of covid 19 is contacts between sick and healthy people. But how exactly to limit these contacts there are no universal recipes, because the population density, the development of health infrastructure, the availability of free beds in different countries and regions is different.

Government is trying their best to carry out what they've known would be the best way to lower any contacts between heathy and non healthy citizens inside their jurisdiction.

The problem here is with how the people follows the orders, there are lots of places where the threat of this virus  being taken for granted thinking that they are strong enough not being infected, they are not caring about those weak people who can easily being infected by the virus that being transmitted coming from those so-called strong people. It will keep transmitting if there's no coöperation from everyone especially those places that already been penetrated that deep.


Title: Re: Second lockdown due to covid19 is painful
Post by: Vinaa77 on January 20, 2021, 03:35:29 AM
When will we really end this, I don't know if you guys will be under the influence. I really need vaccines to get rid of this epidemic, in the country I live in, people are getting settled down and the government is also starting to experiment with vaccines, which really curse viruses.
What is actually surprising is that when a vaccine was discovered, there are currently many mutations of the virus. just like you in my own area there are restrictions for someone to move. For those who work it is advisable to work from home, but many workers who have to work outside are currently leaving their jobs. this is indeed a confused for the government.


Title: Re: Second lockdown due to covid19 is painful
Post by: Sithara007 on January 20, 2021, 03:41:19 AM
I agree with your but if keep at home for one month will got free one month later and never have any lockdown again? I think this virus could bot be die although with any country have take lockdown but when give freedom still have new positive covid 19, now the era we always work at home and do anything in the home, maybe vaccine have publish become solution for covid 19 die and not any positive covid 19 again, we need working and get freedom back after one year without any thing can't we don,

If everyone stays at home, then the pandemic could be contained within one month. But we know that it is impractical. There are certain sections of the population, such as the armed forces and medical personal who needs to get out of their residences for work. The best solution to this is to protect the high-risk groups, such as the elderly and those with comorbidity. Hopefully, vaccination to the high risk groups will be completed by the end of March.


Title: Re: Second lockdown due to covid19 is painful
Post by: Princejebs on January 20, 2021, 01:26:00 PM
When will we really end this, I don't know if you guys will be under the influence. I really need vaccines to get rid of this epidemic, in the country I live in, people are getting settled down and the government is also starting to experiment with vaccines, which really curse viruses.

There are still some conspiracy and arguments about this vaccine and it effects across the globe, do a due diligence before you collect one for your system.
The way things are going with the second lock down, things aren't longer funny, school and religious gathering are still close. I hope we get Back how things were before this virus spread.


Title: Re: Second lockdown due to covid19 is painful
Post by: GeorgeJohn on January 20, 2021, 04:05:03 PM
When will we really end this, I don't know if you guys will be under the influence. I really need vaccines to get rid of this epidemic, in the country I live in, people are getting settled down and the government is also starting to experiment with vaccines, which really curse viruses.

There are still some conspiracy and arguments about this vaccine and it effects across the globe, do a due diligence before you collect one for your system.
The way things are going with the second lock down, things aren't longer funny, school and religious gathering are still close. I hope we get Back how things were before this virus spread.
Yeah your right because fake vaccines are available now, everyone have to be careful base on drugs we purchase now in order to fight corona virus, normally these second lockdown is not serious the way I personally expected, but it's needful to take precautions measure to stay in the place work and anywhere we find our selfs, to avoid contamination of covid19. In the aspect of schools its not because of corona virus while everywhere is been lockdown, no, it's because of selfish interest of politicians.


Title: Re: Second lockdown due to covid19 is painful
Post by: AndySt on January 20, 2021, 11:30:37 PM
When will we really end this, I don't know if you guys will be under the influence. I really need vaccines to get rid of this epidemic, in the country I live in, people are getting settled down and the government is also starting to experiment with vaccines, which really curse viruses.
What is actually surprising is that when a vaccine was discovered, there are currently many mutations of the virus. just like you in my own area there are restrictions for someone to move. For those who work it is advisable to work from home, but many workers who have to work outside are currently leaving their jobs. this is indeed a dilemma for the government.
This is not surprising, because for viruses of this type, permanent mutations are the basis for preservation and spread in the human population, and yet it seems that the level of mutations is not comparable to the number of mutations in ordinary influenza. The most important thing is that the number of these mutations does not exceed a certain limit that can interfere with the protective functions of vaccines, and as for this, it seems that the situation is still under control.


Title: Re: Second lockdown due to covid19 is painful
Post by: Lanatsa on January 20, 2021, 11:52:09 PM
When will we really end this, I don't know if you guys will be under the influence. I really need vaccines to get rid of this epidemic, in the country I live in, people are getting settled down and the government is also starting to experiment with vaccines, which really curse viruses.
What is actually surprising is that when a vaccine was discovered, there are currently many mutations of the virus. just like you in my own area there are restrictions for someone to move. For those who work it is advisable to work from home, but many workers who have to work outside are currently leaving their jobs. this is indeed a dilemma for the government.
This is not surprising, because for viruses of this type, permanent mutations are the basis for preservation and spread in the human population, and yet it seems that the level of mutations is not comparable to the number of mutations in ordinary influenza. The most important thing is that the number of these mutations does not exceed a certain limit that can interfere with the protective functions of vaccines, and as for this, it seems that the situation is still under control.
Under control but would really takes time to make an another cure or immune for this one.Mutations can really happen knowing that this virus can affect not only humans but also in
animals as well.

The problem is that when that covid 1.0 had already some vaccine and now that 2.0 which even makes more harder since they would really be going to the start
if the said initial vaccine wont really be that effective against the new one.

Lockdown? Possible into those places that will really be affected with this new wave of a new mutated virus.


Title: Re: Second lockdown due to covid19 is painful
Post by: Sithara007 on January 21, 2021, 03:00:08 AM
Under control but would really takes time to make an another cure or immune for this one.Mutations can really happen knowing that this virus can affect not only humans but also in
animals as well.

The problem is that when that covid 1.0 had already some vaccine and now that 2.0 which even makes more harder since they would really be going to the start
if the said initial vaccine wont really be that effective against the new one.

Lockdown? Possible into those places that will really be affected with this new wave of a new mutated virus.

It is too early to talk about any of this. Obviously after spreading in to every nook and corner of the world, numerous mutations have been reported for the Coronavirus. But at the same time, none of these mutations have been found to make the virus more resistant against the vaccine or make it more lethal to any particular group of people. Lockdown needs to be implemented in high-prevalence areas, irrespective of whether the mutated strain is present or not.


Title: Re: Second lockdown due to covid19 is painful
Post by: orions.belt19 on January 21, 2021, 05:39:57 AM
When will we really end this, I don't know if you guys will be under the influence. I really need vaccines to get rid of this epidemic, in the country I live in, people are getting settled down and the government is also starting to experiment with vaccines, which really curse viruses.
What is actually surprising is that when a vaccine was discovered, there are currently many mutations of the virus. just like you in my own area there are restrictions for someone to move. For those who work it is advisable to work from home, but many workers who have to work outside are currently leaving their jobs. this is indeed a dilemma for the government.
This is not surprising, because for viruses of this type, permanent mutations are the basis for preservation and spread in the human population, and yet it seems that the level of mutations is not comparable to the number of mutations in ordinary influenza. The most important thing is that the number of these mutations does not exceed a certain limit that can interfere with the protective functions of vaccines, and as for this, it seems that the situation is still under control.
Under control but would really takes time to make an another cure or immune for this one.Mutations can really happen knowing that this virus can affect not only humans but also in
animals as well.

The problem is that when that covid 1.0 had already some vaccine and now that 2.0 which even makes more harder since they would really be going to the start
if the said initial vaccine wont really be that effective against the new one.

Lockdown? Possible into those places that will really be affected with this new wave of a new mutated virus.

I've read somewhere that the vaccine should still be effective against the new variant. The new variant is only more contagious and may be transmitted more easily. Not sure how accurate this is since I'm not from the medical field but so far I haven't seen any claims that the vaccine won't be effective against the new one. So yes, I agree that despite the mutations, it won't catch up to the effectiveness of the vaccines. Virologist should be well aware of possible mutations upon making vaccines. Correct me if I'm wrong on this for anyone who is more knowledge on this.

What's been alarming is its just been said from people at the hospital that the regular tactics they've been doing for covid patients are no longer working like before, so I guess they have to find new ways.


Title: Re: Second lockdown due to covid19 is painful
Post by: Pixyoxx on January 21, 2021, 05:34:23 PM
In the country I am in right now , it’s kind of a half quarantine. The sale of non-essential products has stopped but restaurants and electronic stores are open.
Schools and kindergartens are open but colleges and universities are closed.
Covid-19 has been really rough on everyone specially to the daily wagers, small businesses etc.
If everyone sincerely follows the quarantine rules , wear a damn mask , stay at home and isolate themselves if they don’t feel good instead of going on stupid rallies and ignoring the pandemic then I think we can do it in a year.


Title: Re: Second lockdown due to covid19 is painful
Post by: hahay on January 21, 2021, 06:19:57 PM
In the country I am in right now , it’s kind of a half quarantine. The sale of non-essential products has stopped but restaurants and electronic stores are open.
Schools and kindergartens are open but colleges and universities are closed.
Covid-19 has been really rough on everyone specially to the daily wagers, small businesses etc.
If everyone sincerely follows the quarantine rules , wear a damn mask , stay at home and isolate themselves if they don’t feel good instead of going on stupid rallies and ignoring the pandemic then I think we can do it in a year.
I don't think such quarantine will be effective because even in my country all schools are closed and studying from home or studying online is the solution. Indeed, social restrictions will always be carried out nowadays and therefore, at least more people are doing business online nowadays even shops are only allowed to operate during the day by closing curfews and with a note, every visitor remains restricted and always obliged to apply health protocol. 2021 is a year of hope for a vaccination but what happens is there are still many people who are conflicting with the vaccine itself, at the same time the cases of Covid19 continue to increase this is very worrying.


Title: Re: Second lockdown due to covid19 is painful
Post by: ardentvolcanoes on January 21, 2021, 06:41:06 PM
Under control but would really takes time to make an another cure or immune for this one.Mutations can really happen knowing that this virus can affect not only humans but also in
animals as well.

The problem is that when that covid 1.0 had already some vaccine and now that 2.0 which even makes more harder since they would really be going to the start
if the said initial vaccine wont really be that effective against the new one.

Lockdown? Possible into those places that will really be affected with this new wave of a new mutated virus.

It is too early to talk about any of this. Obviously after spreading in to every nook and corner of the world, numerous mutations have been reported for the Coronavirus. But at the same time, none of these mutations have been found to make the virus more resistant against the vaccine or make it more lethal to any particular group of people. Lockdown needs to be implemented in high-prevalence areas, irrespective of whether the mutated strain is present or not.

It should highly implemented to avoid more infections, government are aiming to contain the virus but having difficulty since enough

resources is not easy to supply both foods and vaccines to every people that they are governing. It's a tough decision but very needed

to take, second lockdown if really is the best solution  to avoid further damages.


Title: Re: Second lockdown due to covid19 is painful
Post by: DrBeer on January 21, 2021, 07:14:18 PM
In the country I am in right now , it’s kind of a half quarantine. The sale of non-essential products has stopped but restaurants and electronic stores are open.
Schools and kindergartens are open but colleges and universities are closed.
Covid-19 has been really rough on everyone specially to the daily wagers, small businesses etc.
If everyone sincerely follows the quarantine rules , wear a damn mask , stay at home and isolate themselves if they don’t feel good instead of going on stupid rallies and ignoring the pandemic then I think we can do it in a year.

In my country, the situation is the same, though brought to deep delirium - the work of non-grocery stores and the sale of a non-food group of goods are prohibited. But in large chains where food and non-grocery products are sold, the non-grocery group is tied with a red ribbon and its purchase is prohibited :) But these are "trifles".
If we talk about Covid19, then in my opinion, today's vaccination will not give the result that is expected of it. Unfortunately. Firstly, because of the mutation of the virus, and secondly, because of the low level of vaccine effectiveness. Let me explain - expensive and effective - available only for rich countries with a high standard of living. All the rest will use cheap, with low efficiency (40-70%), and this, given the mutation of the virus, in fact will not give a global result. Therefore, it is necessary to adapt - to people, business, the state. Most likely, life as it was before 2020 will never be, or at least not soon. To deny the problem is stupid and dangerous, because you cannot defeat the problem without realizing and accepting it.

PS. I am inclined to believe that within 3-5 years, the entire population will get sick with this virus and its variations, and natural immunity will appear. Only after this is it possible to return to the "pre-coronavirus era"


Title: Re: Second lockdown due to covid19 is painful
Post by: South Park on January 21, 2021, 10:01:40 PM
It will be painful 4 months for most countries since they will not be able to vaccinate enough people before start of Spring. In May lock downs will stop and economic recovery will finally start. It will take years that economy will get to January 2020 level.
I agree that it will take years to see the same levels in the economy that we had before the pandemic and it will probably take years as well to vaccinate everyone, but at the same time I think that at least in this topic governments are doing it correctly, we need to vaccinate the people that are the most vulnerable to the virus and those people are the healthcare professionals and older people, once those two groups are protected from the virus I think we're going to see a very important decrease in the number of deaths during this pandemic.
But the question is, would those vaccines hadnt any side effects? We had seen some incidents that do talk about dying on to those who had been vaccinated.

Here are the news;

https://www.businesstoday.in/current/world/covid-19-vaccination-23-elderly-people-dead-after-pfizer-shot-in-norway/story/428119.html
https://www.nydailynews.com/coronavirus/ny-covid-nursing-home-residents-norway-die-covid-vaccine-20210115-wuxa3uprrzhrlkcptkgpqqaoiq-story.html

This will surely take sometime before anything would be finalized or going back to normal.
That is without a doubt a risk but at least where I live getting the vaccine is not going to be mandatory, each person is going to be free to decide whether or not they want to get vaccinated so at the end you are going to need to take a decision about what you consider to be the highest risk, the virus itself or the vaccine, it is not an easy choice to make and it is up to each person to decide what it is best for them and their family.


Title: Re: Second lockdown due to covid19 is painful
Post by: lienfaye on January 21, 2021, 10:11:27 PM
If everyone sincerely follows the quarantine rules , wear a damn mask , stay at home and isolate themselves if they don’t feel good instead of going on stupid rallies and ignoring the pandemic then I think we can do it in a year.
There are many people who dont cooperate thats why the virus cant be controlled from spreading. If only people unite to stay at home if there's nothing important to do outside then somehow the number of cases were going to reduced. Im afraid we're going to have another lockdown because of the sars-cov from uk (another variant of covid), they say this is much worse than covid-19. Oh well I think we cant return to what we used to to atleast for the coming days and months.


Title: Re: Second lockdown due to covid19 is painful
Post by: AndySt on January 21, 2021, 11:14:08 PM
If everyone sincerely follows the quarantine rules , wear a damn mask , stay at home and isolate themselves if they don’t feel good instead of going on stupid rallies and ignoring the pandemic then I think we can do it in a year.
There are many people who dont cooperate thats why the virus cant be controlled from spreading. If only people unite to stay at home if there's nothing important to do outside then somehow the number of cases were going to reduced. Im afraid we're going to have another lockdown because of the sars-cov from uk (another variant of covid), they say this is much worse than covid-19. Oh well I think we cant return to what we used to to atleast for the coming days and months.
Of course, it is naive to expect an end to the pandemic in the coming days. But as for the rallies, I would like to say that so far this is not such a mass phenomenon that we can talk about contributing to the unwinding of the flywheel of the epidemic. The quarantine rules and other rules are reasonable, but not all governments have the determination to act as harshly as the chinese authorities do, so it is better not to rely so much on the consciousness of citizens, but to pin all hopes on the successful vaccination of as large a percentage of the population as possible.


Title: Re: Second lockdown due to covid19 is painful
Post by: dunfida on January 21, 2021, 11:54:30 PM
If everyone sincerely follows the quarantine rules , wear a damn mask , stay at home and isolate themselves if they don’t feel good instead of going on stupid rallies and ignoring the pandemic then I think we can do it in a year.
There are many people who dont cooperate thats why the virus cant be controlled from spreading. If only people unite to stay at home if there's nothing important to do outside then somehow the number of cases were going to reduced. Im afraid we're going to have another lockdown because of the sars-cov from uk (another variant of covid), they say this is much worse than covid-19. Oh well I think we cant return to what we used to to atleast for the coming days and months.
Easy to say  for them to be inside of their homes but for the ones who do heavily rely into their work then its really hard to stop out people on not to do things.
For the sake of survival then they would really go to work and on the discipline side or cooperation then this will talk about the protocol.
People should follow on whats mandated or instructed to prevent the spread of virus specially now that new strain had been discovered which is
more contagious and highly spreadable.


Title: Re: Second lockdown due to covid19 is painful
Post by: Sithara007 on January 22, 2021, 03:14:12 AM
There are many people who dont cooperate thats why the virus cant be controlled from spreading. If only people unite to stay at home if there's nothing important to do outside then somehow the number of cases were going to reduced. Im afraid we're going to have another lockdown because of the sars-cov from uk (another variant of covid), they say this is much worse than covid-19. Oh well I think we cant return to what we used to to atleast for the coming days and months.

That is the case everywhere. Whenever I go out for some purpose, I have noticed that at least one-fourth of the people on the street are without their masks. Earlier the cops were quite strict with the mask wearing protocol and used to impose fines on anyone who would venture out without masks. That situation has changed now. Nowadays I am seeing even policemen without masks in public places.


Title: Re: Second lockdown due to covid19 is painful
Post by: GeorgeJohn on January 22, 2021, 05:31:23 AM
There are many people who dont cooperate thats why the virus cant be controlled from spreading. If only people unite to stay at home if there's nothing important to do outside then somehow the number of cases were going to reduced. Im afraid we're going to have another lockdown because of the sars-cov from uk (another variant of covid), they say this is much worse than covid-19. Oh well I think we cant return to what we used to to atleast for the coming days and months.

That is the case everywhere. Whenever I go out for some purpose, I have noticed that at least one-fourth of the people on the street are without their masks. Earlier the cops were quite strict with the mask wearing protocol and used to impose fines on anyone who would venture out without masks. That situation has changed now. Nowadays I am seeing even policemen without masks in public places.
You see, i will say that is incompetent method of handling situations of corona virus, see everyone has feels relaxed concerning these because all their though is that corona virus has come to an end, even government itself as police officer whose functions is to protect life and properties is working without a mask, so these is trying to let us know that  government are tired to handles the situations of corona virus, if police officer cant obey law who will obey law.


Title: Re: Second lockdown due to covid19 is painful
Post by: Miaallen on January 22, 2021, 11:28:53 AM
The second lock down as painful as it is seems inevitable at this period of daily high increase in the number of cases being recorded all over the world. This has really affected a lot of businesses, most especially the Small and medium enterprises as well as the upcoming ones.
The pain is felt the most in the third world countries and the developing ones as their economy may not be able to survive another lock down now.


Title: Re: Second lockdown due to covid19 is painful
Post by: FlightyPouch on January 22, 2021, 11:56:23 AM
Coronavirus was spared rapidly than previously. Everything we can do now sits tight for the antibody which can be declared any time in 2021. This pandemic may unsafe for the human however not for bitcoins. On the off chance that the subsequent lockdown happens, it will influence the economy again which leads the bitcoin value all the higher. Because of the lockdown stock exchange went down and individuals sitting home check out bitcoins.  That's what happen back in March and now today we can see the bitcoin price which is higher than 2017's price.


Well, I think we can still do things other than wait for the vaccine to arrive. It is not that easy to do but taking care of ourselves is one of the best things to do. We can't avoid going out especially if we are working that is why we need to strictly follow the protocol since if you ever catch the virus, that would be so expensive to be in a hospital for so long.


Title: Re: Second lockdown due to covid19 is painful
Post by: Congyang on January 23, 2021, 02:55:34 AM
The lockdown has really caused a lot of losses, because the economy is dying and people don't have the income to survive. based on united nations data, hunger is bigger data than covid 19. so it's better that the government doesn't need to lock down, it is enough to carry out large-scale restrictions for community activities that can reduce the transmission of the covid 19 virus


Title: Re: Second lockdown due to covid19 is painful
Post by: Sithara007 on January 23, 2021, 04:15:13 AM
The lockdown has really caused a lot of losses, because the economy is dying and people don't have the income to survive. based on united nations data, hunger is bigger data than covid 19. so it's better that the government doesn't need to lock down, it is enough to carry out large-scale restrictions for community activities that can reduce the transmission of the covid 19 virus

Here in India, the mortality rate from COVID 19 is lower when compared to the western nations, due to several reasons such as the youthful age structure. But the lockdowns and other restrictions have resulted in tens of millions losing their livelihood. The education sector is in disarray, as not everyone can afford smartphones or laptops to access online learning.


Title: Re: Second lockdown due to covid19 is painful
Post by: MishaSER on January 23, 2021, 08:51:36 PM
Covid19 is really disturbing worldwide, the information passing across because of covid19 second lockdown is very strong, the previous lockdown really affects people especially trader's, entrepreneurs and many people lost their life's and siblings, so since the vaccine for treatment of the virus is out I think government don't have to lockdown countries again for the sake of less privileges in society, life is very difficult for people in rural areas and our leaders are not care to look towards the development or needs of poor's, I think government of some certain countries should remember that all hands are not equal, by following cases of covid19 with precautions instead of shutting down everywhere or making the prevent measures of corona virus to be necessary to people living in such domain, I think it should be more preferable than closing source of less privileges daily breads.

Do you want to say not to do anything? I do not think that people in the villages suffer greatly from the lack of food (no more than in the city), I myself am from the village and my mother often travels home, I want to say that everything is fine there and there are big restrictions, but the machine that brings food is working. In addition, we grow our own products, as well as livestock.


Title: Re: Second lockdown due to covid19 is painful
Post by: South Park on January 26, 2021, 08:40:30 PM
There are many people who dont cooperate thats why the virus cant be controlled from spreading. If only people unite to stay at home if there's nothing important to do outside then somehow the number of cases were going to reduced. Im afraid we're going to have another lockdown because of the sars-cov from uk (another variant of covid), they say this is much worse than covid-19. Oh well I think we cant return to what we used to to atleast for the coming days and months.
Unfortunately many people cannot stay at home because they have to work and psychologically speaking this is difficult as many people have lived under lockdown conditions for months now and most people are not equipped psychologically to deal with this, I think that what really needs to be done is that people actually respect the safety measures that are recommended to slow down the spread of the virus and at least where I live many people do not do so which is helping the spread of the virus at an alarming rate.


Title: Re: Second lockdown due to covid19 is painful
Post by: Fredomago on January 26, 2021, 08:45:39 PM
There are many people who dont cooperate thats why the virus cant be controlled from spreading. If only people unite to stay at home if there's nothing important to do outside then somehow the number of cases were going to reduced. Im afraid we're going to have another lockdown because of the sars-cov from uk (another variant of covid), they say this is much worse than covid-19. Oh well I think we cant return to what we used to to atleast for the coming days and months.
Unfortunately many people cannot stay at home because they have to work and psychologically speaking this is difficult as many people have lived under lockdown conditions for months now and most people are not equipped psychologically to deal with this, I think that what really needs to be done is that people actually respect the safety measures that are recommended to slow down the spread of the virus and I least where I live many people do not do so which is helping spreading the pandemic at an alarming rate.

I guess that's the right term for that it's more on psychological and there are many people who already suffer a lot from this lockdown, they are now trying to live a normal life or trying to move forward and survive.

If only all those recommended safety measures are being implemented properly and being followed, this virus will able to slow down, or even conatined, it's how the people act accordingly that helps the government. If you do care as individual it should start from you and your households, it serves as a big help for the authorities.


Title: Re: Second lockdown due to covid19 is painful
Post by: Quidat on January 26, 2021, 09:24:57 PM
There are many people who dont cooperate thats why the virus cant be controlled from spreading. If only people unite to stay at home if there's nothing important to do outside then somehow the number of cases were going to reduced. Im afraid we're going to have another lockdown because of the sars-cov from uk (another variant of covid), they say this is much worse than covid-19. Oh well I think we cant return to what we used to to atleast for the coming days and months.
Unfortunately many people cannot stay at home because they have to work and psychologically speaking this is difficult as many people have lived under lockdown conditions for months now and most people are not equipped psychologically to deal with this, I think that what really needs to be done is that people actually respect the safety measures that are recommended to slow down the spread of the virus and I least where I live many people do not do so which is helping spreading the pandemic at an alarming rate.

I guess that's the right term for that it's more on psychological and there are many people who already suffer a lot from this lockdown, they are now trying to live a normal life or trying to move forward and survive.

If only all those recommended safety measures are being implemented properly and being followed, this virus will able to slow down, or even conatined, it's how the people act accordingly that helps the government. If you do care as individual it should start from you and your households, it serves as a big help for the authorities.
You are right but we know that not all would really be following orders which there are really some hard-headed ones which do really worsen up the situation.
Doesnt follow up health protocols or instructions which would really result into more problems.Majority of us now are able to grasp the new normal
and if there would be some second lockdown then that would really be a big challenge specially to those people who do really need to work
physically or else they wont really be earning money for them to sustain or live. This would really be painful but we dont have any other choice right? but to accept.


Title: Re: Second lockdown due to covid19 is painful
Post by: drsnuggles on January 26, 2021, 09:28:05 PM
Surprising to read so many people support lockdown, curfew, masks and other non-scientific measures, while at the same time they hold crypto because they don't trust the fiat-money system. You guys worry me...


Title: Re: Second lockdown due to covid19 is painful
Post by: Sithara007 on January 27, 2021, 03:47:06 AM
Surprising to read so many people support lockdown, curfew, masks and other non-scientific measures, while at the same time they hold crypto because they don't trust the fiat-money system. You guys worry me...

What this has to do with the fiat money system? Imposing lockdowns and maintaining social distancing is a way to protect yourself from COVID 19, at least until the vaccination is completed. Even without the government orders, vast majority of us will be restricting our outside activity to a bare minimum. Being pro-Bitcoin doesn't mean that we have to disregard warnings from doctors and go out without masks and get ourselves infected.


Title: Re: Second lockdown due to covid19 is painful
Post by: DrBeer on January 27, 2021, 06:49:04 PM
Believe me, there was hardly a more idiotic lockdown scheme than they came up with in Ukraine. To understand:
- restaurants, pubs, cafes - closed
- banned the sale of a non-product group of goods (!!!!)
- in large markets there is a product, a non-product group, with a ban on sale (!!!)
- School education is remote, but students of institutes and kindergartens visit institutions as before
- All public transport works


Title: Re: Second lockdown due to covid19 is painful
Post by: bvoriue on January 27, 2021, 07:55:27 PM
The Covid-19 Vaccination Program in Indonesia is entering phase two. This began with President Joko Widodo (Jokowi) being vaccinated again at the State Palace, Wednesday, January 27, 2021

The only hope is a vaccine, many do not comply with health protocols from all walks of life. From ordinary people to government circles.

Hopefully in 2021 the Covid19 Virus will have a cure.


Title: Re: Second lockdown due to covid19 is painful
Post by: TopTort777 on January 27, 2021, 08:05:56 PM
I see lots of people confirm that there is a lockdown regime in their country and some cases lockdown made situation even worse.
What do you think, is lockdown a solution? Can lockdowns really helo? Because people manage to catch virus even while sitting home.


Title: Re: Second lockdown due to covid19 is painful
Post by: GeorgeJohn on January 27, 2021, 11:10:05 PM
I see lots of people confirm that there is a lockdown regime in their country and some cases lockdown made situation even worse.
What do you think, is lockdown a solution? Can lockdowns really helo? Because people manage to catch virus even while sitting home.
That's the only thing people are not aware of, virus are everywhere irrespective our hideouts if our body system wants to contact virus it will contact without delay because staying indoors is not the only measures to insolate corona virus, because from my views I understand that the precautions someone can take is safety first by been conscious of he/her self, obeying covid19 rules, it's very clear that lockdown is putting people in pain's.


Title: Re: Second lockdown due to covid19 is painful
Post by: Amejoaquim on January 28, 2021, 01:38:34 AM
The Covid-19 Vaccination Program in Indonesia is entering phase two. This began with President Joko Widodo (Jokowi) being vaccinated again at the State Palace, Wednesday, January 27, 2021

The only hope is a vaccine, many do not comply with health protocols from all walks of life. From ordinary people to government circles.

Hopefully in 2021 the Covid19 Virus will have a cure.
I hope this Vaccine can give a big impact for my country, even though there's a lot of peoples still scared to getting vaccine.

If this "Vaccination" success and it will certainly increase market confidence and investors to invest in Indonesia.


Title: Re: Second lockdown due to covid19 is painful
Post by: Nora Olin on January 28, 2021, 08:43:32 AM
In fact, before there is an effective vaccine, China has successfully prevented the spread of the virus in the new museum by restricting the movement of citizens. This is the most effective way without a suitable vaccine. Of course, this will indeed sacrifice the interests of some people. And collective freedom.


Title: Re: Second lockdown due to covid19 is painful
Post by: naikturun on January 28, 2021, 09:36:59 AM
That's the problem, not everyone has savings that can be used when they don't work to support themselves and their families.
their only hope is the salary or fees they get each day.
like America which gave 2 thousand dollars to its citizens who did not work because of the lockdown, of course the impact on the country's economy where the value of the USD would decrease because of this.


Title: Re: Second lockdown due to covid19 is painful
Post by: Botnake on January 28, 2021, 10:04:43 AM
That's the problem, not everyone has savings that can be used when they don't work to support themselves and their families.
their only hope is the salary or fees they get each day.
like America which gave 2 thousand dollars to its citizens who did not work because of the lockdown, of course the impact on the country's economy where the value of the USD would decrease because of this.

The government can't afford a full lock down,  if they will do that, people will loss their job and if they loss their job they will struggle, therefore if they will force that they would need to support the people and that entails big budget from the government, which unlikely to happen.

Vaccine is the only solution, without that the cases will increase in numbers and it will hugely affect the economy.


Title: Re: Second lockdown due to covid19 is painful
Post by: sulendra12 on January 28, 2021, 12:31:51 PM
The Covid-19 Vaccination Program in Indonesia is entering phase two. This began with President Joko Widodo (Jokowi) being vaccinated again at the State Palace, Wednesday, January 27, 2021
And he got another one recently, I don't know if it's true or not but there are some hoaxes that said "this vaccine users are died because of this vaccine for unknown reasons", still it's not yet confirmed if they are died because of the vaccine or something else.

But still, let's hope that the vaccine is going to be our chance to make 2021 a better life


Title: Re: Second lockdown due to covid19 is painful
Post by: GeorgeJohn on January 28, 2021, 07:43:40 PM
In fact, before there is an effective vaccine, China has successfully prevented the spread of the virus in the new museum by restricting the movement of citizens. This is the most effective way without a suitable vaccine. Of course, this will indeed sacrifice the interests of some people. And collective freedom.
Yeah, with the information i heard, i think corona virus started with china, so China suppose to discover the preventive measure before any other country, so telling me or hearing that China prevented spread of corona virus in their way is not bad and it's also good to purchase vaccine that is manufactured by world health organization (WHO) is actually good.


Title: Re: Second lockdown due to covid19 is painful
Post by: Arkann on January 28, 2021, 08:53:18 PM
In fact, it would be really good if even one vaccine that exists today turned out to be really effective. in my country, there is still a lot of debate about which vaccine is better to choose, from Europe or from Russia, and the government starts to cheat and concludes some kind of agreements with India, where development is only in the plans. It is not clear what is happening, but it seems to me that a bad game is going on at the expense of people's lives.


Title: Re: Second lockdown due to covid19 is painful
Post by: finaleshot2016 on January 28, 2021, 10:12:34 PM
In fact, it would be really good if even one vaccine that exists today turned out to be really effective. in my country, there is still a lot of debate about which vaccine is better to choose, from Europe or from Russia, and the government starts to cheat and concludes some kind of agreements with India, where development is only in the plans. It is not clear what is happening, but it seems to me that a bad game is going on at the expense of people's lives.
I think most of the vaccine is really effective but I'm not very sure with the side effect to our body. Most people are still scare to get vaccinated because they're afraid of the fact that no vaccine can be easily made like that. These vaccines will definitely make our country back to normal and will avoid implementing lockdowns.


Title: Re: Second lockdown due to covid19 is painful
Post by: AndySt on January 28, 2021, 11:03:56 PM
In fact, it would be really good if even one vaccine that exists today turned out to be really effective. in my country, there is still a lot of debate about which vaccine is better to choose, from Europe or from Russia, and the government starts to cheat and concludes some kind of agreements with India, where development is only in the plans. It is not clear what is happening, but it seems to me that a bad game is going on at the expense of people's lives.
I think most of the vaccine is really effective but I'm not very sure with the side effect to our body. Most people are still scare to get vaccinated because they're afraid of the fact that no vaccine can be easily made like that. These vaccines will definitely make our country back to normal and will avoid implementing lockdowns.
The risk from any vaccine of course exists, because no one has canceled allergic reactions or undesirable effects if you are already ill, but still with a healthy body, the risk from vaccination is much less than the risk from complications from the disease itself. Some people may continue to hope that in the second year the evil virus will self-destruct on its own and the pandemic will end, but still the governments of the absolute majority of states have made their choice and this choice is to vaccinate as many citizens as possible.



Title: Re: Second lockdown due to covid19 is painful
Post by: Twentyonepaylots on January 28, 2021, 11:16:39 PM
As the saying goes, it takes two to Tango. With that in mind, everyone should remember that the government needs the people's cooperation in order to realize it's common goals with them, and the People need the protection of the government on the other hand. Situations like what happened in the UK happened because the people do not respect the government's orders, so everyone is basically in the gutter right now. Hopefully we all get through this.


Title: Re: Second lockdown due to covid19 is painful
Post by: DrBeer on January 29, 2021, 12:55:09 PM
In fact, before there is an effective vaccine, China has successfully prevented the spread of the virus in the new museum by restricting the movement of citizens. This is the most effective way without a suitable vaccine. Of course, this will indeed sacrifice the interests of some people. And collective freedom.

You are mistaken and strong enough. First, China was engaged in data manipulation, it has already become public knowledge. Secondly, until recently, China tried not to allow representatives of the World Health Organization to enter its territory for an objective assessment. Only not long ago (and already a YEAR since the beginning of the epidemic), such cooperation began. The effectiveness of their vaccine is rather doubtful, primarily the indications of effectiveness. Plus, in recent years, a large number of new outbreaks of infections. In total, the picture is very far from positive ...


Title: Re: Second lockdown due to covid19 is painful
Post by: GbitG on January 29, 2021, 02:53:02 PM
As the saying goes, it takes two to Tango. With that in mind, everyone should remember that the government needs the people's cooperation in order to realize it's common goals with them, and the People need the protection of the government on the other hand. Situations like what happened in the UK happened because the people do not respect the government's orders, so everyone is basically in the gutter right now. Hopefully we all get through this.
England is very developed country with 100% education ratio and peoples understand how to do and when to do if they are not respecting government orders then surely in many developing countries situation is out of control is nothing issue because here peoples committing suicides as they have no food and no resources for feeding their kids just because of this I am feeling very sad after reading this all now feeling its really hurting very badly around the world.


Title: Re: Second lockdown due to covid19 is painful
Post by: naikturun on January 29, 2021, 03:05:25 PM
That's the problem, not everyone has savings that can be used when they don't work to support themselves and their families.
their only hope is the salary or fees they get each day.
like America which gave 2 thousand dollars to its citizens who did not work because of the lockdown, of course the impact on the country's economy where the value of the USD would decrease because of this.

The government can't afford a full lock down,  if they will do that, people will loss their job and if they loss their job they will struggle, therefore if they will force that they would need to support the people and that entails big budget from the government, which unlikely to happen.

Vaccine is the only solution, without that the cases will increase in numbers and it will hugely affect the economy.

Vaccines can also be used as a business. Imagine that 1 country needs at least more than 1 million vaccines.
but there is no other choice but to buy it to be honest some countries may be corrupt when the vaccine is received and this is very unfortunate.


Title: Re: Second lockdown due to covid19 is painful
Post by: DrBeer on January 29, 2021, 09:59:45 PM
That's the problem, not everyone has savings that can be used when they don't work to support themselves and their families.
their only hope is the salary or fees they get each day.
like America which gave 2 thousand dollars to its citizens who did not work because of the lockdown, of course the impact on the country's economy where the value of the USD would decrease because of this.

The government can't afford a full lock down,  if they will do that, people will loss their job and if they loss their job they will struggle, therefore if they will force that they would need to support the people and that entails big budget from the government, which unlikely to happen.

Vaccine is the only solution, without that the cases will increase in numbers and it will hugely affect the economy.

Vaccines can also be used as a business. Imagine that 1 country needs at least more than 1 million vaccines.
but there is no other choice but to buy it to be honest some countries may be corrupt when the vaccine is received and this is very unfortunate.


I can even give an example - in Ukraine, they again returned to corruption schemes. As a result, instead of purchasing storage containers and a high-quality vaccine against Covid19 from Pfizer, a gasket company owned by a corruptionist backed by President Zelenskiy, huge sums were transferred from the country's budget. As a result, the vaccine was allegedly purchased. As a result, a Chinese vaccine was purchased, at a price 3 times higher than the market price, and ... the vaccine did not arrive in the country ...


Title: Re: Second lockdown due to covid19 is painful
Post by: SaShiRaJaVu on January 29, 2021, 10:55:46 PM
The government can't afford a full lock down,  if they will do that, people will loss their job and if they loss their job they will struggle, therefore if they will force that they would need to support the people and that entails big budget from the government, which unlikely to happen.

Vaccine is the only solution, without that the cases will increase in numbers and it will hugely affect the economy.
It depends upon countries, Canada, Australia imposed full lock down once again when the new strain of virus was identified and if you are moving out without any genuine reasons the fine you need to pay is really high, in third world countries yet another lock down is not possible and the governments have no idea how to move forward, if they lock the country again there will be situations like civil war.
Vaccinating everyone is a far distant dream.


Title: Re: Second lockdown due to covid19 is painful
Post by: Flowzer on January 30, 2021, 07:04:11 PM
That's the problem, not everyone has savings that can be used when they don't work to support themselves and their families.
their only hope is the salary or fees they get each day.
like America which gave 2 thousand dollars to its citizens who did not work because of the lockdown, of course the impact on the country's economy where the value of the USD would decrease because of this.

They were very lucky live in Developed Country at this situation. Many people which live in Poor Country really struggle at this situation.
Its like choosing between death by lockdown (no money to buy food) or death by virus. We hope covid19 ends soon by vaccine.


Title: Re: Second lockdown due to covid19 is painful
Post by: goldade on January 30, 2021, 09:17:05 PM
Covid19 is really disturbing worldwide, the information passing across because of covid19 second lockdown is very strong, the previous lockdown really affects people especially trader's, entrepreneurs and many people lost their life's and siblings, so since the vaccine for treatment of the virus is out I think government don't have to lockdown countries again for the sake of less privileges in society, life is very difficult for people in rural areas and our leaders are not care to look towards the development or needs of poor's, I think government of some certain countries should remember that all hands are not equal, by following cases of covid19 with precautions instead of shutting down everywhere or making the prevent measures of corona virus to be necessary to people living in such domain, I think it should be more preferable than closing source of less privileges daily breads.

It's very obvious that not all countries at these point will experience second corona virus but due to what is involve in government every country with bad eggs of leaders will use such avenue to bring economy of her country down by embezzling their funds, when looking at the ratio of affected covid19 patients of different countries is not like the way it's in 2019 when corona virus started, even in 2020 so while would government lockdown again to suffer people, my major concerns is for those living in rural area that have no furtherance. Happy New Year In advance, Keep Safe


What you wrote is absolutely true of many African countries. Their governments do not care about the poor. So many people died of hunger in the first lockdown because they couldn't meet their food needs due to the fact that there was no work to do.
The secobf lockdown will cause even more people to die of hunger. I however do believe that a second lockdown is not actually needed. The people have all seen what happened in the first lockdown and they know what's at stake and so they wouldn't risk it. I believe the best thing to do is to ensure the strict adherence of the citizens to the Covid-19 preventive measures.


Title: Re: Second lockdown due to covid19 is painful
Post by: nakamura12 on January 30, 2021, 11:04:00 PM
What you wrote is absolutely true of many African countries. Their governments do not care about the poor. So many people died of hunger in the first lockdown because they couldn't meet their food needs due to the fact that there was no work to do.
The secobf lockdown will cause even more people to die of hunger. I however do believe that a second lockdown is not actually needed. The people have all seen what happened in the first lockdown and they know what's at stake and so they wouldn't risk it. I believe the best thing to do is to ensure the strict adherence of the citizens to the Covid-19 preventive measures.
They don't have choice it's either they die of hunger or die because of covid. If they are helped by the government then it is helpful for those who are poor. If they have a second lockdown and won't help the poor ones is the same as not having a lockdown if they only leave them die of hunger.


Title: Re: Second lockdown due to covid19 is painful
Post by: Reatim on January 31, 2021, 08:58:15 AM
The Covid-19 Vaccination Program in Indonesia is entering phase two. This began with President Joko Widodo (Jokowi) being vaccinated again at the State Palace, Wednesday, January 27, 2021

The only hope is a vaccine, many do not comply with health protocols from all walks of life. From ordinary people to government circles.

Hopefully in 2021 the Covid19 Virus will have a cure.
I hope this Vaccine can give a big impact for my country, even though there's a lot of peoples still scared to getting vaccine.
you can't Blame them from thinking over danger because we are talking about Life here and those News that comes these days are really not that good for the Vaccine .

i maybe be at some point scared as well mate but will sure take it for my family's health.
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If this "Vaccination" success and it will certainly increase market confidence and investors to invest in Indonesia.
Indonesia is one of the most infected worldwide , Hope you'll recover sooner from the Shadow and Nightmare from this pandemic.


Title: Re: Second lockdown due to covid19 is painful
Post by: bitbunnny on January 31, 2021, 10:10:57 AM
I guess that depends from country to country but in many of them lockdown never actually stopped. There were different restrictions more or less all the time. When vaccine appeared that brought some hope it will end soon but now all this situation with lack of vaccines in Europe makes it even worse and less likely to end soon. Now it looks like that poor countries will have big issues how to provide vaccines for their people.
Economy is suffering hard and I'm afraid how are countries are going to look like when this all ends. So many businesses are already at the very edge of surviving, many people lost their jobs or their paychecks were significantly cut. About psychological consequences it's even better not to talk.
I guess that in years that come we will be struggling hard to get our economies back to life but I think that our lives will never be the same again.


Title: Re: Second lockdown due to covid19 is painful
Post by: Question123 on January 31, 2021, 01:18:56 PM
I think it's takes 1 year more before the covid will gone because there is new covid appear and it spreading again to the world again and that is not good, in my country lockdown is not happening again because they banned the international flight but it's already here because they detect last week ago the new cases of the covid here in my country and I hope everything will going to be under control so we can back to normal again.


Title: Re: Second lockdown due to covid19 is painful
Post by: bluebit25 on January 31, 2021, 01:40:45 PM
I believe in governments around the world that are working hard to find vaccines, in the country I live with, I also have to implement the 3rd curfew. To be honest, the return of the epidemic The economy is seriously affecting my region's economy, the goods cannot be circulated and the Lunar New Year holidays in Asia are coming and this is really the evil of life right now.


Title: Re: Second lockdown due to covid19 is painful
Post by: DrBeer on January 31, 2021, 05:27:42 PM
I can even give an example - in Ukraine, they again returned to corruption schemes. As a result, instead of purchasing storage containers and a high-quality vaccine against Covid19 from Pfizer, a gasket company owned by a corruptionist backed by President Zelenskiy, huge sums were transferred from the country's budget. As a result, the vaccine was allegedly purchased. As a result, a Chinese vaccine was purchased, at a price 3 times higher than the market price, and ... the vaccine did not arrive in the country ...


Of course there will definitely be someone who will take advantage of this moment even some hospitals in my country are doing business from this pandemic, say a rapid test to get permission to go out of town, and in my opinion some people deliberately use it I do believe that Covid exists but the media here makes it sound very terrible .
Lets hope this problem will be end soon.

I will add on my own - at the beginning of December 2020, I myself fell ill and had been ill with Covid19. There is very little pleasant, it really differs greatly from other diseases, there is actually mortality from the virus, or more correctly - from the chronic diseases that the patient has or the accompanying diseases that have arisen ... I really want to still find a solution to eliminate this disease, but apparently - still For 2-3 years we will have to live with this problem and fight.



Title: Re: Second lockdown due to covid19 is painful
Post by: sulendra12 on January 31, 2021, 08:50:23 PM
In my country, it's been a year since the lockdown started and it started to make some people really pissed because they are not free to do anything and there is always a fear of getting COVID-19 when you do stuff outside.

It makes the economy for certain people becomes lesser and they can't income from home at all. Well, it also their fault because they don't do health protocol like using masks and such, their ego killing themselves.


Title: Re: Second lockdown due to covid19 is painful
Post by: saffira on January 31, 2021, 10:44:20 PM
People suffer more during lockdowns because the government can not really provide all their needs. The economy will be at risk. Why not go into new normal, wearing face shield and mask and extra careful. I dont think its more safe inside. This virus can be avoided through everyone self discipline. Although vaccines are already on the way, we cannot rely on it until proven effective.


Title: Re: Second lockdown due to covid19 is painful
Post by: AndySt on January 31, 2021, 11:29:45 PM
People suffer more during lockdowns because the government can not really provide all their needs. The economy will be at risk. Why not go into new normal, wearing face shield and mask and extra careful. I dont think its more safe inside. This virus can be avoided through everyone self discipline. Although vaccines are already on the way, we cannot rely on it until proven effective.
Just at a certain stage of the pandemic, lockdown is much more effective than other methods, another question is that a lockdown that lasts too long after a certain point begins to bring more harm than good, and state authorities that impose restrictions on the movement of citizens should not forget that lockdown is a last resort, which should be used only in exceptional cases.


Title: Re: Second lockdown due to covid19 is painful
Post by: lienfaye on February 01, 2021, 02:41:27 AM
Just at a certain stage of the pandemic, lockdown is much more effective than other methods, another question is that a lockdown that lasts too long after a certain point begins to bring more harm than good, and state authorities that impose restrictions on the movement of citizens should not forget that lockdown is a last resort, which should be used only in exceptional cases.
Lockdown is the last resort but cant guarantee effectiveness due to stubborn people who keep acting against the government. They are not following the rules and still going outside despite of the strict implementation (well its based on our experience here). So after the long lockdown, there seems little improvement but the virus is still there existing.

The economy and the people who abide the rules are greatly affected by this lockdown. Imagine that you comply and did your best to stay at home while other people are roaming around as if there's no virus. Lack of cooperation is the problem thats why up to now we are not covid free yet.


Title: Re: Second lockdown due to covid19 is painful
Post by: Sithara007 on February 01, 2021, 03:11:41 AM
Just at a certain stage of the pandemic, lockdown is much more effective than other methods, another question is that a lockdown that lasts too long after a certain point begins to bring more harm than good, and state authorities that impose restrictions on the movement of citizens should not forget that lockdown is a last resort, which should be used only in exceptional cases.

It is very difficult to draw a line. Many of the European countries hesitated to impose a lockdown for the second time, when the number of cases began to rise. But we know what happened in the end. The virus spread beyond all control and the daily death toll touched record highs. The purpose of the lockdown is to keep the pandemic in control, until the vaccination can be completed. And according to the experts, the impact of vaccination will be seen from this month (February) onwards.


Title: Re: Second lockdown due to covid19 is painful
Post by: Kimbe79229 on February 01, 2021, 08:17:18 AM
COVID-19 is far from being controlled. It is difficult for the poor and people in some remote areas to get effective treatment and can only be protected through self-protection. Once infected, it will cause great harm to themselves. What's more, it will take some time for the popularization of vaccines. We can only hope that the whole world can solve this problem in this new year.


Title: Re: Second lockdown due to covid19 is painful
Post by: bakasabo on February 01, 2021, 08:27:13 AM
And according to the experts, the impact of vaccination will be seen from this month (February) onwards.

There are already a good number of vaccine on the market. How they are going to figure out which one will have a better result? Specially when the virus is evolving, and people need to take 2 vaccine shots, with a 2-4 week pause between them. And not to forget that pharmacists always adding and improving something in vaccine. With all that variables, how to get a clear result from vaccination?


Title: Re: Second lockdown due to covid19 is painful
Post by: Raflesia on February 01, 2021, 11:09:45 AM
And according to the experts, the impact of vaccination will be seen from this month (February) onwards.

There are already a good number of vaccine on the market. How they are going to figure out which one will have a better result? Specially when the virus is evolving, and people need to take 2 vaccine shots, with a 2-4 week pause between them. And not to forget that pharmacists always adding and improving something in vaccine. With all that variables, how to get a clear result from vaccination?

I have not seen the news about vaccines that have been injected with good results, maybe there is no reaction so this does not cause problems for those who are injected.
Honestly, I have never done vaccination and do not know whether this is to maintain body fitness or just eliminate it because I know the local government does not provide the overall details.
And I also can't conclude that this is perfect because some pharmacists have not confirmed good results.


Title: Re: Second lockdown due to covid19 is painful
Post by: Fredomago on February 01, 2021, 11:41:33 AM
Just at a certain stage of the pandemic, lockdown is much more effective than other methods, another question is that a lockdown that lasts too long after a certain point begins to bring more harm than good, and state authorities that impose restrictions on the movement of citizens should not forget that lockdown is a last resort, which should be used only in exceptional cases.

It is very difficult to draw a line. Many of the European countries hesitated to impose a lockdown for the second time, when the number of cases began to rise. But we know what happened in the end. The virus spread beyond all control and the daily death toll touched record highs. The purpose of the lockdown is to keep the pandemic in control, until the vaccination can be completed. And according to the experts, the impact of vaccination will be seen from this month (February) onwards.

Hopefully that impact is really reliable, the second lockdown is indeed in need to lessen the casualties as the damages not only for medical but also financial from each places that being iinfected the most.

Even the government tried their best to inform and to implement every known rules to avoid this virus, but since this is pandemic is new to everyone and there's no ideas from different sectors of medical experts, they are all trying to find solution for this not just temporary but for the best long term cure for this virus.


Title: Re: Second lockdown due to covid19 is painful
Post by: bryant.coleman on February 01, 2021, 11:47:17 AM
There are already a good number of vaccine on the market. How they are going to figure out which one will have a better result? Specially when the virus is evolving, and people need to take 2 vaccine shots, with a 2-4 week pause between them. And not to forget that pharmacists always adding and improving something in vaccine. With all that variables, how to get a clear result from vaccination?

Phase III trials have been completed for all of the approved vaccines, and their efficacy is known to everyone now. The rates for various vaccines measured from the Phase III trials are as follows:

Pfizer/BioNTech - 95%
Moderna - 95%
Gamaleya - 91%
Novavax - 89%
Sinopharm - 79%
AstraZeneca/Oxford - 70%
Johnson & Johnson - 66%
Sinovac Biotech - 50%

Many of the countries are using more than 1 vaccine, depending on the availability. But as you can see from the list above, after the vaccination, there will be anywhere from 50% to 95% reduction in the new cases.


Title: Re: Second lockdown due to covid19 is painful
Post by: macson on February 01, 2021, 12:16:19 PM
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BioNTech/Pfizer; Authorized
Moderna; Authorized
Oxford/AstraZeneca; Authorized
https://www.covid-19vaccinetracker.org/

we can see here that only 3 vaccines are authorized, the rest still have to go through phase 3.  There are still many people in the world who are skeptical about the effectiveness of vaccines, i respect their fears but imo is better at vaccines than lockdown again.


Title: Re: Second lockdown due to covid19 is painful
Post by: konflikkastil on February 02, 2021, 12:40:44 PM
This will be the most worst thing to happen if any right government is thinking of enforcing any lockdown right now. The world world at large and businesses are still thinking of how to get out of the mess covid-19 has put everyone into. In terms of global economy meltdown. And every business owners has had their share of this issue. As an entrepreneur and Cryptoprenuer this has reduced my business turn over for more than 6 months now. I think the best thing government can do now is to look for how they can come up with rules and regulations that can be enforced to create an enabling work place that can make people to contit their daily activities. You can ask people to stay home without doing anything, and you have not put in to place palliatives to support them through out this period. Another lockdown is not the best thing right now.


Title: Re: Second lockdown due to covid19 is painful
Post by: DrBeer on February 02, 2021, 12:54:54 PM
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BioNTech/Pfizer; Authorized
Moderna; Authorized
Oxford/AstraZeneca; Authorized
https://www.covid-19vaccinetracker.org/

we can see here that only 3 vaccines are authorized, the rest still have to go through phase 3.  There are still many people in the world who are skeptical about the effectiveness of vaccines, I respect their fears but IMO is better at vaccines than lockdown again.

Until the problem of the "short immune response" of the organism itself to the virus is solved, the virus itself cannot be defeated. At least due to the fact that mutations have already appeared, the use of existing vaccines against which is ineffective. In theory, the race will now begin - a new strain of the virus = a new vaccine. And here there is only one option - to make a "universal vaccine", but there is no talk about this yet.
Unfortunately, the forecast is still negative, and it is necessary to prepare for several (2-3-5 years) difficult fight against the virus


Title: Re: Second lockdown due to covid19 is painful
Post by: Reatim on February 02, 2021, 12:56:28 PM
In my country, it's been a year since the lockdown started and it started to make some people really pissed because they are not free to do anything and there is always a fear of getting COVID-19 when you do stuff outside.
Its not about they are worried about being infected but instead they are afraid of the Police and authority lol.
almost everyone in the world suffers from the Lockdown so we must get used into it.
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It makes the economy for certain people becomes lesser and they can't income from home at all. Well, it also their fault because they don't do health protocol like using masks and such, their ego killing themselves.
Don't Just Blame people that ahs infected because even those doctors and frontliners that has complete weapon (PPE ,FaceMask) still have managed to get the Covid.


Title: Re: Second lockdown due to covid19 is painful
Post by: Sithara007 on February 03, 2021, 03:48:28 AM
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BioNTech/Pfizer; Authorized
Moderna; Authorized
Oxford/AstraZeneca; Authorized
https://www.covid-19vaccinetracker.org/

we can see here that only 3 vaccines are authorized, the rest still have to go through phase 3.  There are still many people in the world who are skeptical about the effectiveness of vaccines, I respect their fears but IMO is better at vaccines than lockdown again.

The WHO has authorized only 3 vaccines. But 7 others have been issued EUA (emergency use authorization by various countries). And yesterday, the reputed medical journal Lancet published peer-reviewed result of the Phase III trials of Sputnik V vaccine (being developed by the Gamaleya National Center of Epidemiology and Microbiology in Russia). They have announced that the vaccine has shown a net efficacy of 92% during the Phase III trials.


Title: Re: Second lockdown due to covid19 is painful
Post by: Cynthiajia0 on February 03, 2021, 09:08:50 AM
Judging from the current spread of COVID-19, it has fallen from its peak period. However, to completely restrict it in the world, we still have to wait for the popularization and effectiveness of vaccines in various countries. The impact on the economy is obvious, and it objectively promoted the occurrence of this bull market.


Title: Re: Second lockdown due to covid19 is painful
Post by: SmokerFace on February 04, 2021, 01:55:03 PM
Coronavirus was spared rapidly than previously. Everything we can do now sits tight for the antibody which can be declared any time in 2021. This pandemic may unsafe for the human however not for bitcoins. On the off chance that the subsequent lockdown happens, it will influence the economy again which leads the bitcoin value all the higher. Because of the lockdown stock exchange went down and individuals sitting home check out bitcoins.  That's what happen back in March and now today we can see the bitcoin price which is higher than 2017's price.


Title: Re: Second lockdown due to covid19 is painful
Post by: skarais on February 04, 2021, 02:16:10 PM
Coronavirus was spared rapidly than previously. Everything we can do now sits tight for the antibody which can be declared any time in 2021. This pandemic may unsafe for the human however not for bitcoins. On the off chance that the subsequent lockdown happens, it will influence the economy again which leads the bitcoin value all the higher. Because of the lockdown stock exchange went down and individuals sitting home check out bitcoins.  That's what happen back in March and now today we can see the bitcoin price which is higher than 2017's price.
I don't think that the second lockdown will happen after the vaccine is around. So far the vaccine has been distributed in many countries and is used by some people. This will increase human immunity against virus attack (corona). As long as this vaccination is working well, then I am sure there will be no lockdown after this.

The corona virus will still be a threat to the health and safety of human life, therefore, in my opinion, the public must still maintain their health and always adhere to health protocol to prevent further disasters. But in fact, currently patients who have contracted the virus can be handled well by medical personnel and the death rate has dropped dramatically.


Title: Re: Second lockdown due to covid19 is painful
Post by: blue_nexus15 on February 04, 2021, 02:45:18 PM
Covid 19 is a tragedy for mankind. Whenever it is possible to trigger re-infection and cross infection is complicated. new variants are revealed, though vaccines have been deployed. In fact, countries that are underdeveloped and in agriculture are the majority that have lower rates of infection. The next risk of covid 19 reactivation is unavoidable


Title: Re: Second lockdown due to covid19 is painful
Post by: Mauser on February 04, 2021, 03:03:46 PM
Covid 19 is a tragedy for mankind. Whenever it is possible to trigger re-infection and cross infection is complicated. new variants are revealed, though vaccines have been deployed. In fact, countries that are underdeveloped and in agriculture are the majority that have lower rates of infection. The next risk of covid 19 reactivation is unavoidable


This is going to be even worse than the second wave. We are in lockdown for 3.5 months now with no end it sight. Life changed so much in 2020 and it became very boring. I wish everything would go back to normal. It takes a crisis like corona to really understand how great our life was before. If the virus keeps on mutating like in UK or South Africa than we can just hope for the vaccine to cover all these variantions in the future.


Title: Re: Second lockdown due to covid19 is painful
Post by: Globb0 on February 05, 2021, 11:02:54 AM
ITs surely dying down again now. We are well over the Christmas get togethers that probably cost us so much ground.

The vaccines are rolling out around the world in a strange kind of international pissing contest.

Like those trumps card games you used to get.

Percentage of over 80  year olds vaccinated ?       85% damn you win that one.


Title: Re: Second lockdown due to covid19 is painful
Post by: bryant.coleman on February 05, 2021, 11:17:41 AM
ITs surely dying down again now. We are well over the Christmas get togethers that probably cost us so much ground.

The vaccines are rolling out around the world in a strange kind of international pissing contest.

Like those trumps card games you used to get.

Percentage of over 80  year olds vaccinated ?       85% damn you win that one.

According to Bloomberg, 119 million doses of the vaccine has been administered till now. I don't have the number of individuals who have been completely vaccinated (i.e two doses) for all the countries, but for USA the figure stands at 2.3% of the population and therefore I assume that a large part of the 80 plus population is covered. For the UK, the same figure stands at 0.8%. And for most of the EU nations, it is between 1% and 2% (except France, which is lagging behind in terms of inoculation).

Israel is at the top, and 21.6% is fully vaccinated. And if we look at the charts from there, the decrease in the prevalence of the virus is clearly visible. They used to have 50-100 deaths per day in January, and this has been reduced by half now.


Title: Re: Second lockdown due to covid19 is painful
Post by: Globb0 on February 05, 2021, 11:35:09 AM
haha thanks for backing my point with some stats.


Im sure looking forward to getting back to hi fiving people at the pub.

Along with the have had covid already, lockdowns and vaccinations it feels really close now.

Yee ha.


Title: Re: Second lockdown due to covid19 is painful
Post by: lev_g_1962 on February 06, 2021, 08:06:39 AM
Countries in the world should work together with China to jointly establish a system to actively respond to the new coronavirus on a global scale.


Title: Re: Second lockdown due to covid19 is painful
Post by: Febo on February 06, 2021, 03:36:25 PM
According to Bloomberg, 119 million doses of the vaccine has been administered till now. I don't have the number of individuals who have been completely vaccinated (i.e two doses) for all the countries, but for USA the figure stands at 2.3% of the population and therefore I assume that a large part of the 80 plus population is covered. For the UK, the same figure stands at 0.8%. And for most of the EU nations, it is between 1% and 2%

I was checking Utah numbers yesterday. They have vaccinated around 12% of population. Those over 70% that are at priority list only 40% vaccinated. I would expect that number to be higher but this way also others will get vaccine earlier. 

In Europe now 3rd vaccine is getting rolled out. Oxford/AstraZeneca. This is the vaccine Europe ordered most, but sadly had its testings delayed and took this long to be approved in EU. So things should drastically change in upcoming weeks with how many gets vaccine in EU. Also this vaccine needs second vaccine 3 times latter then first two vaccines, so more people will get vaccine with one dose with same number of arrived doses.