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Title: Trump for prison. Post by: gredinger on January 30, 2021, 06:46:21 AM He committed a lot of crimes, including state crimes.
How long do you believe until he'll go to prison? Title: Re: Trump for prison. Post by: tvbcof on January 30, 2021, 07:45:04 AM Open-source almost all intelligence archives. Take the data that anyone finds and properly adjudicate it in open court. I suspect that Trump and a lot of other "American" politicians, bureaucrats, and contractors would qualify for death by firing squad upon rigorous completion of this work. Others would be more adequately dealt with via incarceration. Still others via citizenship revocation and deportation as undesirable aliens. Accumulated evidence is not the only tool which currently exists. Technology has brought us to a point where real-time evaluations of a subject are practical to the point of being admissible in court by the standards of the day. The elite are sufficiently concerned about what they call 'the rats' gaining access to such technology that they will implement operations geared toward avoiding this eventuality. If 'we' could somehow jump this hurdle we probably could have 'good governance' for about the first time in recorded human history. Title: Re: Trump for prison. Post by: Mauser on January 30, 2021, 09:45:48 AM He committed a lot of crimes, including state crimes. How long do you believe until he'll go to prison? I don't think Trump will go to prison. Why don't you include a no prison sentence on your poll? So far no US president went to prison, pretty sure Trump is not going to be the first one. Title: Re: Trump for prison. Post by: anoncoiner23 on January 30, 2021, 12:53:52 PM Eh, general consensus is that trump committed crimes of persuasion, persuading people to commit crimes.
Not sure how well that would hold up in court with the millions he could spend on lawyers & ex-presidents don't usually get charged for crimes considering it'll make the whole country look worse than it already does. Take a look at similar presidential crimes (nixon primarily) justice seems to lean towards a forgiving option. Title: Re: Trump for prison. Post by: virasog on January 30, 2021, 01:35:20 PM He committed a lot of crimes, including state crimes. How long do you believe until he'll go to prison? Trump will not go the jail for the actions which he have taken when he was the president. He had the rights to take those decisions as per the law because he was in the power. Secondly, there is no option in your pool to vote that he will not go to jail so most of the people will not vote. Title: Re: Trump for prison. Post by: suchmoon on January 30, 2021, 01:40:34 PM I don't think Trump will go to prison. Why don't you include a no prison sentence on your poll? So far no US president went to prison, pretty sure Trump is not going to be the first one. I think "After AOC's first term as president" is a poorly-worded "never" option. Title: Re: Trump for prison. Post by: Natsuu on January 30, 2021, 02:14:43 PM I'm not really into readings of laws and such as I am studying engineering.
I've been seeing lots of disagreement with the OP that Trump can't be in prisoned but there is no reason. Can someone explain why? Title: Re: Trump for prison. Post by: Saisher on January 30, 2021, 02:50:52 PM He committed a lot of crimes, including state crimes. How long do you believe until he'll go to prison? I don't think Trump will go to prison. Why don't you include a no prison sentence on your poll? So far no US president went to prison, pretty sure Trump is not going to be the first one. OP is 100% sure that Trump commit a crime and should be put in jail he did not give us an option so no wonder there is only two voters I vote for this year out of curiosity about how many voters would like to see Trump in jail, it seems many don't want to vote because you are right no president of the US went to prison, only impeached. Title: Re: Trump for prison. Post by: semobo on January 30, 2021, 05:45:57 PM He is not a president now but still he is rich and can influence huge amount of people, look what happened with the riots which may go to extreme if he got arrested even for a valid reasons. AFAIK, he cheated with his tax reports and failed to bring revenue to the government which is enough to put him on jail?
Maximum he will be asked for penalty which isn't likely to happen anyway. Title: Re: Trump for prison. Post by: TwitchySeal on January 30, 2021, 10:39:07 PM Assuming he's charged within the next few months and it doesn't go to trial, I expect it to be 3-4+ years from now.
A more likely scenario is he refuses any plea bargain and spends the rest of his life successfully finding ways to delay the trial/sentencing. Title: Re: Trump for prison. Post by: PrimeNumber7 on January 30, 2021, 11:10:46 PM Assuming he's charged within the next few months and it doesn't go to trial, I expect it to be 3-4+ years from now. Politically speaking, it would be very difficult for the DOJ to prosecute Trump. Any prosecution of Trump would be seen as politically motivated and there would be too much pressure from voters for Biden (or whoever is President) to either pardon Trump or have the DOJ drop the charges. This is similar to why Trump did not prosecute or even appoint a special counsel to investigate Clinton.A more likely scenario is he refuses any plea bargain and spends the rest of his life successfully finding ways to delay the trial/sentencing. This leaves the state AGs to possibly prosecute Trump, but the backlash to a prosecution by a state AG would be nationwide, bi-partisan, and there would be pressure to drop the charges. I could see the NYAG trying to prosecute Trump, and the current NYAG has a history of stretching the law in her prosecutions. The statute of limitations (https://www.nycourts.gov/courthelp/GoingToCourt/SOLchart.shtml) for Fraud in New York is 6 years, and IMO the NYAG would most likely go after Trump for some kind of fraud related to loans he took out against his buildings. Trump has not been involved in his businesses for at least the last 4 years, but he was likely not involved in the taking out of any loans during his campaign, which would go back about 5 and a half years. I don't think Trump would have committed fraud, and decided to run for President six months later. Long story short, I don't think Trump is going to jail. Title: Re: Trump for prison. Post by: BADecker on January 30, 2021, 11:40:15 PM Trump's not going to prison. It's exactly the opposite. He just left prison.
In his first few days, Biden has done more criminal activity than Trump even thought of in 4 years. Biden will die in prison... either, office or the formal one. 8) Title: Re: Trump for prison. Post by: TwitchySeal on January 31, 2021, 01:16:22 AM there would be too much pressure from voters for Biden (or whoever is President) to either pardon Trump or have the DOJ drop the charges. What makes you think that? I know you don't trust polls that cast Trump in a negative light, but here's an ABC news poll from a couple weeks ago anyway: https://i.gyazo.com/f02606cb7cd1da081e3a535ca2152a35.png https://context-cdn.washingtonpost.com/notes/prod/default/documents/b2030ff6-7d13-4e12-83b1-42ef7ace3da5/note/f1766c48-a9bc-4c9b-8f39-d9abd05f9711.#page=1 If you have a more reliable way to figure out what Americans think please share. This is similar to why Trump did not prosecute or even appoint a special counsel to investigate Clinton. The President doesn't have the authority to prosecute anyone. I don't think he has the authority to appoint a special council either, but I might be wrong about that. Like other political enemies (Biden, Obama, Comey, etc...), Trump attempted to have Clinton charged. It seems pretty clear that the reason she wasn't charged was the same reason Comey gave in his infamous presser: it was unlikely they'd be able to get a conviction. I don't think Sessions or Barr would've hesitated to charge her if they had a case that rose to the level that gives the DOJ a high 90% conviction rate. Trump has not been involved in his businesses for at least the last 4 years, but he was likely not involved in the taking out of any loans during his campaign, which would go back about 5 and a half years. I don't think Trump would have committed fraud, and decided to run for President six months later. I'd be shocked if he wasn't involved in his business while he was president. I think most of the financial charges will come from before he was President. If he ends up facing any serious criminal charges, they would most likely be related to Jan 6th terrorist attack he organized. I'm torn personally on whether or not charging Trump would be best for the country. I think he deserves it, and not charging him creates a horrible precedent. But on the other hand, we need to be lowering the temperature so we can move on from the train wreck that was Trump and charging him would just be one more reason for one side to dunk on the other. Title: Re: Trump for prison. Post by: PrimeNumber7 on January 31, 2021, 02:32:03 AM This is similar to why Trump did not prosecute or even appoint a special counsel to investigate Clinton. The President doesn't have the authority to prosecute anyone. I don't think he has the authority to appoint a special council either, but I might be wrong about that. Trump has not been involved in his businesses for at least the last 4 years, but he was likely not involved in the taking out of any loans during his campaign, which would go back about 5 and a half years. I don't think Trump would have committed fraud, and decided to run for President six months later. <> If he ends up facing any serious criminal charges, they would most likely be related to Jan 6th terrorist attack he organized. there would be too much pressure from voters for Biden (or whoever is President) to either pardon Trump or have the DOJ drop the charges. What makes you think that? Title: Re: Trump for prison. Post by: TwitchySeal on January 31, 2021, 03:28:54 AM I don't think the word "organized" would describe Trump's role in the riot in the Capital. The role that Trump may have played in causing the riot was his speech, and any criminal prosecution would run into first amendment issues. It seems to be a pretty common misconception being pushed by the media that 'the speech' is the only thing to consider regarding Trump and the attack on the capital. Of course that's not true. You need to look at all the evidence. The tweets, the violent rhetoric, that blatant lies being repeated over and over. The speech was a pep rally before the big game. All the work has already been done, now it's time to get hyped and win the game. Also, the event was literally organized by him. Title: Re: Trump for prison. Post by: PrimeNumber7 on February 01, 2021, 02:08:19 AM I don't think the word "organized" would describe Trump's role in the riot in the Capital. The role that Trump may have played in causing the riot was his speech, and any criminal prosecution would run into first amendment issues. It seems to be a pretty common misconception being pushed by the media that 'the speech' is the only thing to consider regarding Trump and the attack on the capital. Of course that's not true. You need to look at all the evidence. The tweets, the violent rhetoric, that blatant lies being repeated over and over. The speech was a pep rally before the big game. All the work has already been done, now it's time to get hyped and win the game. Also, the event was literally organized by him. Title: Re: Trump for prison. Post by: DaveF on February 01, 2021, 02:28:20 AM Any prosecution of Trump will be transparently political. His political enemies have been calling for him to be jailed for too long for most Americans to believe otherwise. This is where it gets kind of muddled. BEFORE he was elected there were some tax / finance / fraud cases against him that were put on hold. Now that he is out they are moving forward. That is not political. If they start adding on more charges for things that happened in say 2019 then yes there might be a political bias. But, if they were investigating in 2014 to 2016 and had a case that they just did not bring because of the election, then it's not political. Now, the HANDLING of the case might be different but that is gong to be tough to prove. Is it political if you go harder after a big name person then Joe Blow? Or is it just a DA working on his resume? "I got a conviction against DT" gets you a better position at a law firm then "I got a conviction against PN7" Unless you are secretly famous and just like to slum it down here with the rest of us. -Dave Title: Re: Trump for prison. Post by: BADecker on February 01, 2021, 02:50:38 AM The real reason why they are pushing for Trump imprisonment is twofold:
1. Trump's stand on hydroxychloroquine (HCQ) is essentially destroying destroying the Covid lie; 2. They need to make an example of him so that nobody else will pit themselves against them, Big Pharma. 8) Title: Re: Trump for prison. Post by: PrimeNumber7 on February 01, 2021, 03:03:58 AM Any prosecution of Trump will be transparently political. His political enemies have been calling for him to be jailed for too long for most Americans to believe otherwise. This is where it gets kind of muddled. BEFORE he was elected there were some tax / finance / fraud cases against him that were put on hold. Now that he is out they are moving forward. That is not political. If they start adding on more charges for things that happened in say 2019 then yes there might be a political bias. But, if they were investigating in 2014 to 2016 and had a case that they just did not bring because of the election, then it's not political. Bringing charges against someone for political reasons is not necessarily illegal, so any conviction may stick provided the relevant statutes were violated. The problem is political. I can see there being a backlash against charging a former US President with crimes resulting in him going to prison. This backlash could ultimately lead to pressure on the Biden administration to drop the charges. There is also the risk of charging Trump but not obtaining a conviction. This would make any prosecution look politically motivated, and could delegitimize the Biden DOJ. Title: Re: Trump for prison. Post by: TwitchySeal on February 01, 2021, 08:16:44 AM It is not illegal to lie, even repeatedly. It's not illegal to shoot a gun either. Or walk out of a bank with cash. Or have sex. Doesn't make shooting someone, robbing a bank or rape legal. I am not sure what you are referring to that you describe as "violent rhetoric". then google it?here's one that stood out to me for example.: Quote Quote A 78-year-old white male Trump supporter punched a Black male protester being escorted out of a Trump campaign rally in Fayetteville, North Carolina. The Trump supporter was recorded on video saying he enjoyed “knocking the hell out of that big mouth” and “Yes, he deserved it. The next time we see him, we might have to kill him.” Trump the next day when asked about the violence at his rally:Quote I thought it was very, very appropriate. He was swinging, he was hitting people and the audience hit back. And that’s what we need a little bit more of. Quote There has not been a single documented case of protesters initiating violence against Trump supporters, according to Time. And at the Las Vegas rally that Trump cites, multiple security personnel told Politico that the protester threw no punches and that Trump was “over-exaggerating.” I'm not going to write up a report for you, from memory there's the "if he can do a body slam, that's my kind of guy" when the Republican running for governor (maybe congress?) was arrested for body slamming a reporter. And the rally where he said 'if you see someone getting ready to throw a tomato, knock the crap out of them and I'll pay your legal fees' The times he's fondly remembered the good old day when you could 'punch them in the face' and 'they'd be carried out on a stretcher' after protesters interrupted him. And there's plenty of others. Bringing charges against someone for political reasons is not necessarily illegal, so any conviction may stick provided the relevant statutes were violated. The problem is political. I can see there being a backlash against charging a former US President with crimes resulting in him going to prison. This backlash could ultimately lead to pressure on the Biden administration to drop the charges. You're arguing that someone should be able to get away with crime because they were president. Take Trump out of the equation and you'll see how ridiculous (and political, ironically) of an argument that is. Think about why we have a criminal justice system. Why there are punishments for committing crimes. That's the argument for why a president should be charged with crimes that can be proven in court. Title: Re: Trump for prison. Post by: CryptocurencyKing on February 01, 2021, 05:12:38 PM Isn't it time to take Trump off the headline, he's being there far too long and not always for the right reasons. It almost seems like he is completely hated and he had no friends or supporters. Well, I don't know much on politics and most of this crimes not literally outlined so far in the comments but referenced in general terms. Can someone outline these crimes please?
Again, were Trump's actions in office not based on his beliefs for the American people? It would be easy for him should there be any case at all to blame it on his office. What would become of American's politics, politicians and the rep for the presidency of the nation should Trump be the first American president to go to prison? I doubt he would be headed there anyway #Prison. Title: Re: Trump for prison. Post by: BADecker on February 01, 2021, 05:49:19 PM This is something that Trump was attempting to do in different ways... remain tough on China.
The military became the force in America during the election fraud. The election fraud was international cyber-warfare. The military is still in control, because the war isn't completely over, yet. The point is that Trump doesn't have anything to do with it until the war is over... because the election fraud runs deep regarding the war and the outward election. IF the military wins the war for the US, Biden will probably be removed for war crimes. The question is, will Trump be appointed as President? Or will the military order a new election? The question lies in the election fraud cyber-war proof, which the military holds, and is not clearly showing to the populace at this time. The below article shows that the Biden administration is attempting to maintain control over China. The only questions are, is Biden under orders from the military? Or is he acting on his own to soothe the military so that when the time comes, they might somehow have leniency on him as his election fraud comes into the open? Or is it a facade put on by China in their control of Biden? Biden/Harris to Remain Tough on China (http://www.freedomsphoenix.com/Article/298965-2021-02-01-biden-harris-to-remain-tough-on-china.htm) Quote from: http://www.freedomsphoenix.com/Article/298965-2021-02-01-biden-harris-to-remain-tough-on-china.htm In 2011, Obama/Biden announced their Asia pivot to advance America's military in a part of the world where it doesn't belong. What's gone on for the last decade continues under Biden/Harris. It's all about seeking to weaken, contain, and isolate China — aiming to undermine the nation politically, economically, industrially, technologically and militarily. A similar strategy is used against Russia, Iran, North Korea, Venezuela, and other nations on the US target list for regime change. The ultimate aim is wanting them transformed into pro-Western vassal states, their sovereignty lost to a higher power in Washington. The policy consistently fails, yet continues unabated, how the scourge of US imperialism operates — notably by waging endless wars by hot and other means on invented enemies. No real ones exist so they have to be invented. The longstanding strategy is contributing to Washington's decline, yet persists anyway. After being confirmed as Biden/Harris war secretary, Lloyd Austin spoke to Japanese Prime Minister Yoshihide Suga, and his counterparts in Japan, South Korea, Australia and India. Biden's double represents him publicly because the real Joe Biden is too cognitively impaired to conduct affairs of state — a disturbing situation suppressed by establishment media, supporting the ruse. 8) Title: Re: Trump for prison. Post by: TwitchySeal on February 02, 2021, 04:25:50 PM Can someone outline these crimes please? - He's already an unindicted coconspirator in campaign finance charges his lawyer already served prison time for. - He obstructed the investigation into foreign interference in the election he won. (up to 10 different obstruction felony charges have been outlined) - He likely used the office of president for personal gain (emoluments) - He threatened/begged the Georgia Sec of State to 'find him' enough votes to win the state after being told he did not have enough votes. (I think there are 2 state laws and 2 federal he could be charged with for this) - He incited a violent insurrection. - It looks pretty clear that he committed a ton of bank and tax fraud before he took office. I'm probably missing a few things. Title: Re: Trump for prison. Post by: squatz1 on February 03, 2021, 01:03:42 AM Can someone outline these crimes please? - He's already an unindicted coconspirator in campaign finance charges his lawyer already served prison time for. - He obstructed the investigation into foreign interference in the election he won. (up to 10 different obstruction felony charges have been outlined) - He likely used the office of president for personal gain (emoluments) - He threatened/begged the Georgia Sec of State to 'find him' enough votes to win the state after being told he did not have enough votes. (I think there are 2 state laws and 2 federal he could be charged with for this) - He incited a violent insurrection. - It looks pretty clear that he committed a ton of bank and tax fraud before he took office. I'm probably missing a few things. Curious though, do you think that this is going to lead to him going to prison? I personally highly doubt it. Guy still has a massive amount of influence with the GOP and is going to use that to skirt any potential problems. Plus the fact that the Biden admin will (IMO) avoid prosecuting Trump because they’re going for the whole unity thing. Trump will most likely be found not guility in his upcoming Senate trial as well. Title: Re: Trump for prison. Post by: Cnut237 on February 03, 2021, 11:32:41 AM do you think that this is going to lead to him going to prison? I personally highly doubt it. Guy still has a massive amount of influence with the GOP and is going to use that to skirt any potential problems. Plus the fact that the Biden admin will (IMO) avoid prosecuting Trump because they’re going for the whole unity thing. Trump will most likely be found not guility in his upcoming Senate trial as well. The question of whether he is or is not guilty of any crimes is moot in terms of a near-term prosecution. There's next to zero chance of him going to prison any time soon. It's not just or even primarily that he has GOP influence... the main obstacle to any prosecution is his huge influence amongst the electorate, and particularly the freedom-lovin', gun-totin' element of the electorate. A Trump prosecution would lead to huge civil unrest, and I'm sure will be judged a price not worth paying. Same result for the impeachment, too. He won't be convicted (and I've put bitcoin on it (https://futuur.com/q/125650/if-a-2nd-impeachment-trial-against-trump-comes-to-a-vote-in-the-senate-will-trump-be-convicted)). A few GOP senators came out against him after Jan 6th, but voters are fickle and have short memories. Jan 6th is not in the headlines as much now, and the GOP are closing ranks behind Trump. If any conviction and prison time does happen, it won't be until Trump has lost all support amongst the electorate. Given that he's likely going to remain in the public eye for the foreseeable future, and that he's already in his mid-70s and (probably) quite unhealthy, a prison sentence seems very unlikely. Title: Re: Trump for prison. Post by: squatz1 on February 03, 2021, 08:18:12 PM do you think that this is going to lead to him going to prison? I personally highly doubt it. Guy still has a massive amount of influence with the GOP and is going to use that to skirt any potential problems. Plus the fact that the Biden admin will (IMO) avoid prosecuting Trump because they’re going for the whole unity thing. Trump will most likely be found not guility in his upcoming Senate trial as well. The question of whether he is or is not guilty of any crimes is moot in terms of a near-term prosecution. There's next to zero chance of him going to prison any time soon. It's not just or even primarily that he has GOP influence... the main obstacle to any prosecution is his huge influence amongst the electorate, and particularly the freedom-lovin', gun-totin' element of the electorate. A Trump prosecution would lead to huge civil unrest, and I'm sure will be judged a price not worth paying. Same result for the impeachment, too. He won't be convicted (and I've put bitcoin on it (https://futuur.com/q/125650/if-a-2nd-impeachment-trial-against-trump-comes-to-a-vote-in-the-senate-will-trump-be-convicted)). A few GOP senators came out against him after Jan 6th, but voters are fickle and have short memories. Jan 6th is not in the headlines as much now, and the GOP are closing ranks behind Trump. If any conviction and prison time does happen, it won't be until Trump has lost all support amongst the electorate. Given that he's likely going to remain in the public eye for the foreseeable future, and that he's already in his mid-70s and (probably) quite unhealthy, a prison sentence seems very unlikely. I 100% agree with everything that was said here. There’s no way that the 30-40% of Americans that are die hard Trumpers are going to be happy with him being brought up on criminal charges and then potentially found guilty. Prosecuting him would only further embolden them to be angry and continue to support him and whoever he endorses. His impeachment was dead on arrival right when Rand Paul forced the vote and it was shown that the the Dems wouldn’t be able to convince another 10 Republicans to vote with them to remove Trump. His age is an important factor as well. He’ll most likely be dead before he has to worry about any of this. Plus like, what the hell does prison look like for a former President — does it mean that they’re under house arrest or are they in jail with secret service protection? Plus like, this person has classified information in their head and you want to protect them at all costs. Title: Re: Trump for prison. Post by: PrimeNumber7 on February 04, 2021, 04:35:50 AM Can someone outline these crimes please? - He's already an unindicted coconspirator in campaign finance charges his lawyer already served prison time for. <> Title: Re: Trump for prison. Post by: TwitchySeal on February 04, 2021, 05:25:43 AM Can someone outline these crimes please? - He's already an unindicted coconspirator in campaign finance charges his lawyer already served prison time for. <> What I said is a fact, actually. Feel free to dispute it and I'll provide the evidence. If you think he's innocent or above the law, just say so. Playing the 'it was political' card over and over removes credibility from all your posts. You could say that about any politician that commits a crime - it doesn't mean politicians should not be held accountable. Title: Re: Trump for prison. Post by: squatz1 on February 04, 2021, 05:39:36 AM Can someone outline these crimes please? - He's already an unindicted coconspirator in campaign finance charges his lawyer already served prison time for. <> What I said is a fact, actually. Feel free to dispute it and I'll provide the evidence. If you think he's innocent or above the law, just say so. Playing the 'it was political' card over and over removes credibility from all your posts. You could say that about any politician that commits a crime - it doesn't mean politicians should not be held accountable. Depends on the point that they’re trying to argue here. If they’re trying to say that Cohen was targeted due to being close to Trump and the Mueller campaign saw that he could potentially flip on Trump (which he did) — Then I’d say that’s true. I’m pretty sure (don’t quote me) that he wasn’t being investigated prior to the Mueller probe starting. With this line of thought, then the Mueller probe was the reason for Michael Cohen getting charged with his crimes. Let me know if that line of thought is wrong, will gladly read some of the stuff on that. Shit feels so long ago now. Title: Re: Trump for prison. Post by: PrimeNumber7 on February 04, 2021, 05:57:56 AM What I said is a fact, actually. Feel free to dispute it and I'll provide the evidence. If you think he's innocent or above the law, just say so. Playing the 'it was political' card over and over removes credibility from all your posts. You could say that about any politician that commits a crime - it doesn't mean politicians should not be held accountable. Depends on the point that they’re trying to argue here. If they’re trying to say that Cohen was targeted due to being close to Trump and the Mueller campaign saw that he could potentially flip on Trump (which he did) — Then I’d say that’s true. I’m pretty sure (don’t quote me) that he wasn’t being investigated prior to the Mueller probe starting. With this line of thought, then the Mueller probe was the reason for Michael Cohen getting charged with his crimes. Let me know if that line of thought is wrong, will gladly read some of the stuff on that. Shit feels so long ago now. Title: Re: Trump for prison. Post by: Gyfts on February 04, 2021, 06:28:29 AM What I said is a fact, actually. Feel free to dispute it and I'll provide the evidence. If you think he's innocent or above the law, just say so. Playing the 'it was political' card over and over removes credibility from all your posts. You could say that about any politician that commits a crime - it doesn't mean politicians should not be held accountable. Depends on the point that they’re trying to argue here. If they’re trying to say that Cohen was targeted due to being close to Trump and the Mueller campaign saw that he could potentially flip on Trump (which he did) — Then I’d say that’s true. I’m pretty sure (don’t quote me) that he wasn’t being investigated prior to the Mueller probe starting. With this line of thought, then the Mueller probe was the reason for Michael Cohen getting charged with his crimes. Let me know if that line of thought is wrong, will gladly read some of the stuff on that. Shit feels so long ago now. His prosecution was obviously political to hurt Trump but he also was a shitty lawyer who committed crimes tbh. He should've not turned on Trump and instead gambled on a pardon by shutting his mouth, it would have taken him much further than trying to turn on Trump lmao. Dem's were going to throw him under the bus regardless and republicans weren't going to do anything to stop it. Anyways, he's already out of jail and landed a sweet book deal which'll make him a boat load of cash so it's hard to feel sorry. Chalk it to "play stupid games, win stupid prizes" aka being Trump's personal attorney. Title: Re: Trump for prison. Post by: TwitchySeal on February 04, 2021, 06:40:38 AM What I said is a fact, actually. Feel free to dispute it and I'll provide the evidence. If you think he's innocent or above the law, just say so. Playing the 'it was political' card over and over removes credibility from all your posts. You could say that about any politician that commits a crime - it doesn't mean politicians should not be held accountable. Depends on the point that they’re trying to argue here. If they’re trying to say that Cohen was targeted due to being close to Trump and the Mueller campaign saw that he could potentially flip on Trump (which he did) — Then I’d say that’s true. I’m pretty sure (don’t quote me) that he wasn’t being investigated prior to the Mueller probe starting. With this line of thought, then the Mueller probe was the reason for Michael Cohen getting charged with his crimes. Let me know if that line of thought is wrong, will gladly read some of the stuff on that. Shit feels so long ago now. What I'm saying is Cohen was charged for lying to Congress. He told Congress that Trump didn't have any ongoing business deals in Russia after Trump won the GOP nomination. Trump told the public the same thing. In reality, Trump was continuing forward with his "Trump World Tower Moscow" project and even signed a letter of intent. I actually left something off my list that Trump could face charges for that Cohen was also involved in. He was convicted for campaign finance violations when, "in coordination with and at the direction of a candidate for federal office (Trump)" , he created a shell company to pay a porn star who Trump had an affair with $130,000 without having to report it to the FEC. Edit: I mixed up the Porn Star and Trump Tower Moscow issues. I'm not sure if Trump is exposed to any criminal charges for the Trump Tower Moscow lies since he only lied about it to the public, not under oath. It's the campaign finance charges that he's an unindicted coconspirator for. Feels like a million years ago that stuff happened. Title: Re: Trump for prison. Post by: BADecker on February 09, 2021, 02:06:16 PM Let's say you have a bowl of soup... perhaps your life.
Trump and Biden, and their crimes, are both in your bowl of soup. Trump and his crimes are like a tiny fly in your bowl of soup. You don't want a bowl of soup with a fly in it. You quickly fish the fly out. But maybe you dump the whole bowl of soup, and replace it with another, cleaner, bowl. Biden and his crimes are like a camel in your bowl of soup. Why are you ignoring the big Biden crimes and focusing on the little Trump crimes? Is it because the Biden crimes are so big that you can't even move the bowl of soup off the table to exchange it for a bowl that doesn't have crimes in it? Probably not! What it really is, is that you are part of the Biden crimes, and you like it that way. Watch out! The Biden crimes are going to come back and bite you if you continue to enjoy them. Think about the pipeline that the union supported. And now Biden cancelled it and 50 some thousand workers are out of a job. 8) Title: Re: Trump for prison. Post by: Pancho95 on February 10, 2021, 07:39:51 PM I think Trump is strong enough with his money to take great lawyers to get him freedom. If he goes to jail it will be message to all those politicians who does not respect people's will and election results. Trump in jail will pleasure democracy and get people to once again feel secure and trust in democracy system.
Title: Re: Trump for prison. Post by: gredinger on February 11, 2021, 07:19:30 PM Interesting trials ongoing for the impeachment.
It'd be interesting to see Republicans convict him -- but I doubt they will. ::) Title: Re: Trump for prison. Post by: BADecker on February 14, 2021, 09:13:05 PM If Trump went to prison, all the prisons would become private investments.
8) Title: Re: Trump for prison. Post by: Mauser on February 18, 2021, 07:46:20 AM Interesting trials ongoing for the impeachment. It'd be interesting to see Republicans convict him -- but I doubt they will. ::) Yeah it didn't go anywhere. To be honest as expected. Why hurt your party even more? Biden is already in office, nothing is really going to change. Nothing good is going to come from this. We should work on moving forward again. Title: Re: Trump for prison. Post by: squatz1 on February 18, 2021, 05:59:33 PM What I said is a fact, actually. Feel free to dispute it and I'll provide the evidence. If you think he's innocent or above the law, just say so. Playing the 'it was political' card over and over removes credibility from all your posts. You could say that about any politician that commits a crime - it doesn't mean politicians should not be held accountable. Depends on the point that they’re trying to argue here. If they’re trying to say that Cohen was targeted due to being close to Trump and the Mueller campaign saw that he could potentially flip on Trump (which he did) — Then I’d say that’s true. I’m pretty sure (don’t quote me) that he wasn’t being investigated prior to the Mueller probe starting. With this line of thought, then the Mueller probe was the reason for Michael Cohen getting charged with his crimes. Let me know if that line of thought is wrong, will gladly read some of the stuff on that. Shit feels so long ago now. What I'm saying is Cohen was charged for lying to Congress. He told Congress that Trump didn't have any ongoing business deals in Russia after Trump won the GOP nomination. Trump told the public the same thing. In reality, Trump was continuing forward with his "Trump World Tower Moscow" project and even signed a letter of intent. I actually left something off my list that Trump could face charges for that Cohen was also involved in. He was convicted for campaign finance violations when, "in coordination with and at the direction of a candidate for federal office (Trump)" , he created a shell company to pay a porn star who Trump had an affair with $130,000 without having to report it to the FEC. Edit: I mixed up the Porn Star and Trump Tower Moscow issues. I'm not sure if Trump is exposed to any criminal charges for the Trump Tower Moscow lies since he only lied about it to the public, not under oath. It's the campaign finance charges that he's an unindicted coconspirator for. Feels like a million years ago that stuff happened. I know I’m a little late on a response here but yeah, all of this stuff does feel like a million years ago now. The un indicted coconspirator thing is the part that saves him though, as he’ll face no punishment for that. Maybe NYS will try to go after him for these crimes in the future, though I personally highly doubt that anyone wants the former President of the United States to be charged with crimes from states. That’s not to say that I think the President is above the law, as he should not be. But the Presidents crimes, both on a state and national level, should be dealt with through the impeachment process. I really just feel like it opens a can of worms if you begin indicting former Presidents through the regular process. It’s a very weird situation and I’m personally not sure what should be done. Title: Re: Trump for prison. Post by: OgNasty on February 18, 2021, 08:25:26 PM "After AOC's first term as president"
I laughed. I voted. It's true. Trump isn't going to jail. I can't believe TDS is still going strong in these people. I think Trump should come out and say that if his trolls don't start acting right and quit this nonsense that he'll run for president again in 2024! That would be hilarious. I figured when Trump "lost" the election that we would at least get a break from these public TDS attacks, but I guess more time is needed for those who have spent such a great part of their life bashing someone far more successful than themselves. Title: Re: Trump for prison. Post by: TwitchySeal on February 18, 2021, 08:52:37 PM I figured when Trump "lost" the election that we would at least get a break from these public TDS attacks I suppose it's possible that everyone from Mitch McConnel to AOC have lost their mind, but have you considered the possibility that the people who are still falling for Trumps lies are the ones deranged? https://i.gyazo.com/650e0eb1d535e778dd1016f391746b45.png Title: Re: Trump for prison. Post by: squatz1 on February 19, 2021, 02:14:01 AM I figured when Trump "lost" the election that we would at least get a break from these public TDS attacks I suppose it's possible that everyone from Mitch McConnel to AOC have lost their mind, but have you considered the possibility that the people who are still falling for Trumps lies are the ones deranged? https://i.gyazo.com/650e0eb1d535e778dd1016f391746b45.png No come on that cant be it. There’s no way that that could be the case. Come on obviously there’s no way that Qanon could be wrong about anything — they haven’t been wrong thus far, so there’s no way that they could be wrong now. Wasn’t Joe Biden arrested by the military and Donald Trump is now the President of the United States — that’s the case, right? Title: Re: Trump for prison. Post by: suchmoon on February 19, 2021, 02:36:29 AM Wasn’t Joe Biden arrested by the military and Donald Trump is now the President of the United States — that’s the case, right? It must be a 5D (not to be confused with Bill Gates' 5G virus) chess game, there is no other explanation. Title: Re: Trump for prison. Post by: Gyfts on February 19, 2021, 02:51:27 AM I figured when Trump "lost" the election that we would at least get a break from these public TDS attacks I suppose it's possible that everyone from Mitch McConnel to AOC have lost their mind, but have you considered the possibility that the people who are still falling for Trumps lies are the ones deranged? Short answer is, yes. When people reference Marjorie Taylor Greene as a right wing nut job (which she totally is), I don't think they realize AOC is on the same level with the amount of dumb shit she says on a routine basis. And because the way the media works, I don't think I've ever seen anyone ask her any tough questions on her stupid proposals ever. So moral of the story, people on the left and right have lost their minds and it's the ordinary average Americans that suffer from the tribalism. Title: Re: Trump for prison. Post by: squatz1 on February 19, 2021, 02:56:13 AM Wasn’t Joe Biden arrested by the military and Donald Trump is now the President of the United States — that’s the case, right? It must be a 5D (not to be confused with Bill Gates' 5G virus) chess game, there is no other explanation. Well yes, this is a long drawn out game for Donald Trump to come out victorious. It’s crazy that you have not seen the strategy to winning yet. Obviously losing the Presidency is apart of this, it’s a way for everyone to see how horrible Joe Biden is as the President — he took away everyones guns and raised taxes and everything already, so it’ll be so easy to convince everyone that Joe Biden is not fit to be President. Also it’s been about a month and he still does not have COVID under control? God Joe Biden is so incompetent. Easy win for Trump in 2024. /s if needed (didnt think so) Title: Re: Trump for prison. Post by: suchmoon on February 19, 2021, 03:19:20 AM Easy win for Trump in 2024. I'll take that bet ;D When people reference Marjorie Taylor Greene as a right wing nut job (which she totally is), I don't think they realize AOC is on the same level with the amount of dumb shit she says on a routine basis. And because the way the media works, I don't think I've ever seen anyone ask her any tough questions on her stupid proposals ever. So moral of the story, people on the left and right have lost their minds and it's the ordinary average Americans that suffer from the tribalism. There is a big difference between being dumb and having opinions that you don't like. I don't like AOC, and I don't like McConnel (or rather their political positions; I don't really know them personally) but I think both are quite intelligent. I think MTG is genuinely crazy or acts crazy to pander to the base, same thing. I've noticed that AOC is a favorite villain for right wing media but when you dig into what she's actually saying - there is nothing on the level of Jews using space lasers to start wildfires. There are some fabricated quotes being attributed to her, maybe that's what's confusing you. Title: Re: Trump for prison. Post by: TwitchySeal on February 19, 2021, 04:43:04 AM Easy win for Trump in 2024. I'll take that bet ;D When people reference Marjorie Taylor Greene as a right wing nut job (which she totally is), I don't think they realize AOC is on the same level with the amount of dumb shit she says on a routine basis. And because the way the media works, I don't think I've ever seen anyone ask her any tough questions on her stupid proposals ever. So moral of the story, people on the left and right have lost their minds and it's the ordinary average Americans that suffer from the tribalism. There is a big difference between being dumb and having opinions that you don't like. I don't like AOC, and I don't like McConnel (or rather their political positions; I don't really know them personally) but I think both are quite intelligent. I think MTG is genuinely crazy or acts crazy to pander to the base, same thing. I've noticed that AOC is a favorite villain for right wing media but when you dig into what she's actually saying - there is nothing on the level of Jews using space lasers to start wildfires. There are some fabricated quotes being attributed to her, maybe that's what's confusing you. Exactly this. Equating AOC to MTG is just as wrong as saying Biden and Trump are equally bad when it comes to sexual assault allegations. Whether you're rationalizing it that way to yourself or trying to convince others, it serves only to make make Democrats appear worse and Republicans less awful than reality. Title: Re: Trump for prison. Post by: Similificator on February 19, 2021, 11:00:05 AM Didn't choose anything from the poll. The reason why is because I honestly do not think that trump will go to prison. And that is despite all the bad things he may have done to other people or to the whole country. This is because he has money and influence. It has been proven over time that it is rather difficult to punish people of position or people that are rich and influential with vast network of connections.
Title: Re: Trump for prison. Post by: Natsuu on February 21, 2021, 11:35:40 AM Didn't choose anything from the poll. The reason why is because I honestly do not think that trump will go to prison. And that is despite all the bad things he may have done to other people or to the whole country. This is because he has money and influence. It has been proven over time that it is rather difficult to punish people of position or people that are rich and influential with vast network of connections. Because of this reason, they are impeaching TRUMP for him to not have this privileges. I also didn't chose to vote for any, as I lack concern on how will he ended up after the election, as long as he is not part of the administration and do not hold any position. Title: Re: Trump for prison. Post by: BADecker on February 22, 2021, 03:47:43 PM Trump for prison.
It's about time that we get somebody in there who will clean up our prison system. 8) Title: Re: Trump for prison. Post by: sirazimuth on February 22, 2021, 04:21:06 PM Looks like our dear old former dimpotus is one step closer to prison....
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/02/22/us/supreme-court-trump-financial-records.html Pass the kettle corn please.... Title: Re: Trump for prison. Post by: BADecker on February 22, 2021, 04:28:27 PM Looks like our dear old former dimpotus is one step closer to prison.... https://www.nytimes.com/2021/02/22/us/supreme-court-trump-financial-records.html Pass the kettle corn please.... When somebody takes somebody else to court about something, if the accuser is wrong, he has to pay to the accused, the amount he was trying to get out of the accused. Often, these days, the accused only gets court costs out of his accuser when he wins. They better be good, 'cause Trump is getting loads more experience to take them down for $money if they lose. 8) Title: Re: Trump for prison. Post by: gredinger on February 22, 2021, 09:09:36 PM Looks like our dear old former dimpotus is one step closer to prison.... https://www.nytimes.com/2021/02/22/us/supreme-court-trump-financial-records.html Pass the kettle corn please.... It'll be a few months at least yet. I have a feeling the criminal trials will be going on for quite a while. Any guess which felony he'll first be convicted of? Title: Re: Trump for prison. Post by: Twinkledoe on February 22, 2021, 11:59:50 PM Looks like our dear old former dimpotus is one step closer to prison.... https://www.nytimes.com/2021/02/22/us/supreme-court-trump-financial-records.html Pass the kettle corn please.... When somebody takes somebody else to court about something, if the accuser is wrong, he has to pay to the accused, the amount he was trying to get out of the accused. Often, these days, the accused only gets court costs out of his accuser when he wins. They better be good, 'cause Trump is getting loads more experience to take them down for $money if they lose. 8) They better prepare also as it may bounce back on them. I don't think Trump will just sit silently while they are throwing punches on him. He has a lot of help and money to counter-attack these allegations. So he will also do his best to win on these cases. Now, after his term, he has a lot of things to answer with. Wonder, if he is already regretting that he ran and served as a President? Title: Re: Trump for prison. Post by: TwitchySeal on February 23, 2021, 12:15:07 AM Looks like our dear old former dimpotus is one step closer to prison.... https://www.nytimes.com/2021/02/22/us/supreme-court-trump-financial-records.html Pass the kettle corn please.... Not the only ruling that Trump should be unhappy about. https://www.supremecourt.gov/orders/courtorders/022221zor_2cp3.pdf (certiorari just means review of a lower court ruling) Quote CERTIORARI DENIED 20-602 CLIFFORD, STEPHANIE [stormy daniels] V. TRUMP, DONALD J. 20-882 TRUMP, DONALD J., ET AL. V. BIDEN, JOSEPH R., ET AL. Quote ORDERS IN PENDING CASES 20A63 TRUMP, DONALD J. V. VANCE, CYRUS R., ET AL. The application for a stay presented to Justice Breyer and referred to the Court is denied. And I don't know what this one means: Quote 20-845 DONALD J. TRUMP FOR PRESIDENT V. DEGRAFFENREID, ACTING SEC. OF PA, ET AL. The motion of Constitutional Attorneys for leave to file a brief as amici curiae is granted. The motion of Republican Party of Pennsylvania for leave to file a brief as amicus curiae is granted. The petition for a writ of certiorari is denied. Or this one: Quote REPUBLICAN PARTY OF PENNSYLVANIA 20–542 v. VERONICA DEGRAFFENREID, ACTING SECRETARY OF PENNSYLVANIA, ET AL. JAKE CORMAN, ET AL. 20–574 v. PENNSYLVANIA DEMOCRATIC PARTY, ET AL. ON PETITIONS FOR WRITS OF CERTIORARI TO THE SUPREME COURT OF PENNSYLVANIA, MIDDLE DISTRICT Nos. 20–542 and 20–574. Decided February 22, 2021 The motions of Donald J. Trump for President, Inc. for leave to intervene as petitioner are dismissed as moot. The motions of Thomas J. Randolph, et al. for leave to intervene as respondents are dismissed as moot. The motion of Honest Elections Project for leave to file a brief as amicus curiae in No. 20–542 is granted. The motion of White House Watch Fund, et al. for leave to file a brief as amici curiae in No. 20–574 is granted. The petitions for writs of certiorari are denied. Title: Re: Trump for prison. Post by: squatz1 on February 25, 2021, 10:13:13 PM Easy win for Trump in 2024. I'll take that bet ;D When people reference Marjorie Taylor Greene as a right wing nut job (which she totally is), I don't think they realize AOC is on the same level with the amount of dumb shit she says on a routine basis. And because the way the media works, I don't think I've ever seen anyone ask her any tough questions on her stupid proposals ever. So moral of the story, people on the left and right have lost their minds and it's the ordinary average Americans that suffer from the tribalism. There is a big difference between being dumb and having opinions that you don't like. I don't like AOC, and I don't like McConnel (or rather their political positions; I don't really know them personally) but I think both are quite intelligent. I think MTG is genuinely crazy or acts crazy to pander to the base, same thing. I've noticed that AOC is a favorite villain for right wing media but when you dig into what she's actually saying - there is nothing on the level of Jews using space lasers to start wildfires. There are some fabricated quotes being attributed to her, maybe that's what's confusing you. Can’t wait to see Trump declare his candidacy for 2024 at CPAC in the coming days. In all seriousness, he will totally be playing kingmaker for the republicans in their pursuit of taking back the Senate/House in 2022 so there’s a lot to watch at CPAC. snip Highly doubt that anything leads him closer to prison though. At the end of the day he’s still the former President of the United States and there is literally no way that the former President of the US is going to face any sort of consequences for their actions. Title: Re: Trump for prison. Post by: BADecker on February 26, 2021, 12:35:41 AM Trump for the Nobel Prize for showing us way back when he got Covid, how easy it is to get cured with HCQ + zinc + azithromycin.
Yea, Trump. Three cheers for Trump. 8) Title: Re: Trump for prison. Post by: Mauser on February 26, 2021, 08:49:33 AM Didn't choose anything from the poll. The reason why is because I honestly do not think that trump will go to prison. And that is despite all the bad things he may have done to other people or to the whole country. This is because he has money and influence. It has been proven over time that it is rather difficult to punish people of position or people that are rich and influential with vast network of connections. Because of this reason, they are impeaching TRUMP for him to not have this privileges. I also didn't chose to vote for any, as I lack concern on how will he ended up after the election, as long as he is not part of the administration and do not hold any position. Yeah looks like he is just out of the picture and doesn't really care about it anymore. Why keep making news now with all these trials? I doubt there will be anything usefull coming from it. Biden is now in office and can try to make everything better. We should be focusing on the future and keep fighting the corona pandemic rather than fighting about the past. Title: Re: Trump for prison. Post by: TwitchySeal on February 26, 2021, 09:23:13 AM Didn't choose anything from the poll. The reason why is because I honestly do not think that trump will go to prison. And that is despite all the bad things he may have done to other people or to the whole country. This is because he has money and influence. It has been proven over time that it is rather difficult to punish people of position or people that are rich and influential with vast network of connections. Because of this reason, they are impeaching TRUMP for him to not have this privileges. I also didn't chose to vote for any, as I lack concern on how will he ended up after the election, as long as he is not part of the administration and do not hold any position. Yeah looks like he is just out of the picture and doesn't really care about it anymore. Why keep making news now with all these trials? I doubt there will be anything usefull coming from it. Biden is now in office and can try to make everything better. We should be focusing on the future and keep fighting the corona pandemic rather than fighting about the past. Well buckle up, because he's speaking at CPAC this weekend and rumors are he will declare himself the presumptive Republican nominee. Title: Re: Trump for prison. Post by: Natsuu on February 27, 2021, 05:12:15 PM Didn't choose anything from the poll. The reason why is because I honestly do not think that trump will go to prison. And that is despite all the bad things he may have done to other people or to the whole country. This is because he has money and influence. It has been proven over time that it is rather difficult to punish people of position or people that are rich and influential with vast network of connections. Because of this reason, they are impeaching TRUMP for him to not have this privileges. I also didn't chose to vote for any, as I lack concern on how will he ended up after the election, as long as he is not part of the administration and do not hold any position. Yeah looks like he is just out of the picture and doesn't really care about it anymore. Why keep making news now with all these trials? I doubt there will be anything usefull coming from it. Biden is now in office and can try to make everything better. We should be focusing on the future and keep fighting the corona pandemic rather than fighting about the past. Well buckle up, because he's speaking at CPAC this weekend and rumors are he will declare himself the presumptive Republican nominee. I searched for CPAC, and look what I've found "CRINGE" (https://edition.cnn.com/videos/politics/2021/02/26/cpac-masks-covid-19-acosta-lead-vpx.cnn) Title: Re: Trump for prison. Post by: TwitchySeal on February 28, 2021, 02:17:17 AM Didn't choose anything from the poll. The reason why is because I honestly do not think that trump will go to prison. And that is despite all the bad things he may have done to other people or to the whole country. This is because he has money and influence. It has been proven over time that it is rather difficult to punish people of position or people that are rich and influential with vast network of connections. Because of this reason, they are impeaching TRUMP for him to not have this privileges. I also didn't chose to vote for any, as I lack concern on how will he ended up after the election, as long as he is not part of the administration and do not hold any position. Yeah looks like he is just out of the picture and doesn't really care about it anymore. Why keep making news now with all these trials? I doubt there will be anything usefull coming from it. Biden is now in office and can try to make everything better. We should be focusing on the future and keep fighting the corona pandemic rather than fighting about the past. Well buckle up, because he's speaking at CPAC this weekend and rumors are he will declare himself the presumptive Republican nominee. I searched for CPAC, and look what I've found "CRINGE" (https://edition.cnn.com/videos/politics/2021/02/26/cpac-masks-covid-19-acosta-lead-vpx.cnn) I searched for "CRINGE" and found this: https://i.gyazo.com/c87e5e50128e2a9123983f27d115b1bf.png Title: Re: Trump for prison. Post by: bluefirecorp_ on August 13, 2022, 01:59:33 AM Not sure.
Seems the date is closer. Title: Re: Trump for prison. Post by: BADecker on August 13, 2022, 02:47:46 PM Trump crimes are far less than Biden and Pelosi and Obama crimes. But everybody does a crime or two now and again. Probably Trump never did any crime at all worthy of prison.
What's important is, so far no court has convicted any of them of prison type crimes. Innocent until proven guilty. 8) Title: Re: Trump for prison. Post by: ChiNgadOr on August 13, 2022, 09:46:14 PM Trump crimes are far less than Biden and Pelosi and Obama crimes. But everybody does a crime or two now and again. Probably Trump never did any crime at all worthy of prison. I think I can guess what is wrong with op...hmm!What's important is, so far no court has convicted any of them of prison type crimes. Innocent until proven guilty. 8) Trump had done nothing that will make him go to prison so I still don't get why some bunch of agitators keeps stressing their mouth for a discussion about what he did right or wrong. So many things are going wrong now than when Trump was in government so I still don't get the reason for this hate consensus about Trump going to prison Title: Re: Trump for prison. Post by: BADecker on August 14, 2022, 04:30:05 PM Trump crimes are far less than Biden and Pelosi and Obama crimes. But everybody does a crime or two now and again. Probably Trump never did any crime at all worthy of prison. I think I can guess what is wrong with op...hmm!What's important is, so far no court has convicted any of them of prison type crimes. Innocent until proven guilty. 8) Trump had done nothing that will make him go to prison so I still don't get why some bunch of agitators keeps stressing their mouth for a discussion about what he did right or wrong. So many things are going wrong now than when Trump was in government so I still don't get the reason for this hate consensus about Trump going to prison Those people have faith and hope in the Dem and Biden words that promise them wealth. And some of them have been made a bit richer at the expense of a whole lot of others. And there's the propagandists who are working for Biden and the Dem leaders and Soros, and get paid to blab nonsense and lies. 8) Title: Re: Trump for prison. Post by: onaiwusun on August 14, 2022, 05:09:56 PM Every damned politician ought to be in jail
Title: Re: Trump for prison. Post by: BADecker on August 14, 2022, 05:28:27 PM Every damned politician ought to be in jail This is probably true. But the reasons are probably not what you think they are. For example, Rand Paul is very reasonable in the good he is trying to promote. And there are others that are similar. Bottom line reason why they are wrong is that they don't train the people in common law. But rather, they try to hide and abuse common law. Even the good politicians do this, because they are ignorant of what common law really is. 8) Title: Re: Trump for prison. Post by: yourthankyou on August 15, 2022, 01:02:02 PM About what kind of crimes exactly you are talking? All politicians commit crimes...
Title: Re: Trump for prison. Post by: Gosgosking on August 15, 2022, 01:23:35 PM Every damned politician ought to be in jail Yes. No politician is a Saint, if we should check all politicians all will be in jail. Most politicians when ever power is in their hands they abuse power and do whatever they feel like, I don't really blame them because it is the privilege send the opportunity they have .Title: Re: Trump for prison. Post by: BADecker on August 15, 2022, 01:56:51 PM The point that we need to remember about politicians is, they are talk. Nobody seems to be willing to let his group gather the info on how Biden is hurting him, and then invoice Biden for damages based on the harm done.
Following standard UCC law regarding how to invoice, and when to take it to court for someone not paying the invoice, a person could easily win their case if they do it unrepresented. Biden would never show up. It would be a default, summary judgment. If the part of the suit for damages is high enough, because of your mental anguish, or simply because your loss is great enough, and since it would be difficult getting the local sheriff to arrest Biden until he pays, sell your judgment to a company that buys judgments for 10% of the face value. Get your money. Or, you might place your judgment paperwork with media outlets, and reduce his popularity until the people out him. This could be done with any politicians. Regarding that the Biden regime is hiring some 78,000 new IRS agents right now, and that many of these are being trained in the use of high-powered assault rifles to use on the people, ANYBODY could invoice and law suit a bunch of politicians for their role in making this illegal, standing army in times of peace... no formal Congressional Act of War has been proclaimed. There are plenty of law groups around the country who could do this and win... IF they stood in court, man-to-man, without representation, thereby not allowing the other side to have representation. 8) Title: Re: Trump for prison. Post by: TwitchySeal on August 15, 2022, 08:03:23 PM The point that we need to remember about politicians is, they are talk. Nobody seems to be willing to let his group gather the info on how Biden is hurting him, and then invoice Biden for damages based on the harm done. Following standard UCC law regarding how to invoice, and when to take it to court for someone not paying the invoice, a person could easily win their case if they do it unrepresented. Biden would never show up. It would be a default, summary judgment. If the part of the suit for damages is high enough, because of your mental anguish, or simply because your loss is great enough, and since it would be difficult getting the local sheriff to arrest Biden until he pays, sell your judgment to a company that buys judgments for 10% of the face value. Get your money. Or, you might place your judgment paperwork with media outlets, and reduce his popularity until the people out him. This could be done with any politicians. Regarding that the Biden regime is hiring some 78,000 new IRS agents right now, and that many of these are being trained in the use of high-powered assault rifles to use on the people, ANYBODY could invoice and law suit a bunch of politicians for their role in making this illegal, standing army in times of peace... no formal Congressional Act of War has been proclaimed. There are plenty of law groups around the country who could do this and win... IF they stood in court, man-to-man, without representation, thereby not allowing the other side to have representation. 8) So....what are you waiting for? Send him an invoice and let us know how it goes. Title: Re: Trump for prison. Post by: BADecker on August 15, 2022, 09:44:41 PM Trump for prison.
That's what I say. Give him back the Presidency, one of the most problem-some prisons around. 8) Title: Re: Trump for prison. Post by: bluefirecorp_ on August 20, 2022, 01:58:39 PM Not sure. Seems the date is closer. I'm curious if we'll see it before mid-terms of not. If he spends at least 1 night in jail, that qualifies. Title: Re: Trump for prison. Post by: BADecker on August 25, 2022, 08:23:28 PM He committed a lot of crimes, including state crimes. How long do you believe until he'll go to prison? Would you please list the crimes and the references for them? 8) Title: Re: Trump for prison. Post by: lumbanrang on August 26, 2022, 04:17:52 AM There is not a single president in this world who is clean, everyone has their own sins. So when the government wants to imprison Trump because of his sin it doesn't make sense, even though he did a lot of controversy but still he is a former President and has done his duty as President in defending America's economy and constitution. And do you think that Bush or Biden is clean compared to Trump?
Title: Re: Trump for prison. Post by: TwitchySeal on August 26, 2022, 04:31:46 AM There is not a single president in this world who is clean, everyone has their own sins. So when the government wants to imprison Trump because of his sin it doesn't make sense, even though he did a lot of controversy but still he is a former President and has done his duty as President in defending America's economy and constitution. And do you think that Bush or Biden is clean compared to Trump? He stole a ton of classified documents and then refused to give them back. He organized a violent insurrection to try and stay in power after losing the election. He scammed his supporters for 10s of millions of dollars raising money for a foundation that didn't exist to stop the steal of an election he knew wasn't stolen. He makes Richard Nixon look like a choir boy if you must compare him to other presidents lol Title: Re: Trump for prison. Post by: TheNineClub on August 26, 2022, 11:15:37 AM I'd say never. So far there hasn't been any evidance or accusation that would really come close. Maybe he did do something that could get him sent to prison, but we need to remember that not the same rules apply to him as they do to us. Far smaller offences would lend us, regular people in prison, but as for him, his so powerfull, hed probably get away with murder.
Title: Re: Trump for prison. Post by: Huppercase on August 26, 2022, 02:19:06 PM I'd say never. So far there hasn't been any evidance or accusation that would really come close. Maybe he did do something that could get him sent to prison, but we need to remember that not the same rules apply to him as they do to us. Far smaller offences would lend us, regular people in prison, but as for him, his so powerfull, hed probably get away with murder. So far, so good. I believe that Trump has been the most divisive president the US has ever had, but he was also feared for keeping his word. He doesn't fear anybody, and based on his economic success, I don't believe he deserves to go to jail. He doesn't deserve all that, even if I myself don't like him much because of his excessive talking and arrogant attitude toward others who disagree with his opinions. A few days ago, when the FBI entered his premises, I knew it was political propaganda they were doing against that man. Title: Re: Trump for prison. Post by: NotATether on August 26, 2022, 02:37:05 PM Assuming he's charged within the next few months and it doesn't go to trial, I expect it to be 3-4+ years from now. A more likely scenario is he refuses any plea bargain and spends the rest of his life successfully finding ways to delay the trial/sentencing. ...which is a sad way to live the last years of your life if you ask me. The thoughts of all this is probably eating him up. Title: Re: Trump for prison. Post by: lumbanrang on August 27, 2022, 03:52:22 AM There is not a single president in this world who is clean, everyone has their own sins. So when the government wants to imprison Trump because of his sin it doesn't make sense, even though he did a lot of controversy but still he is a former President and has done his duty as President in defending America's economy and constitution. And do you think that Bush or Biden is clean compared to Trump? He stole a ton of classified documents and then refused to give them back. He organized a violent insurrection to try and stay in power after losing the election. He scammed his supporters for 10s of millions of dollars raising money for a foundation that didn't exist to stop the steal of an election he knew wasn't stolen. He makes Richard Nixon look like a choir boy if you must compare him to other presidents lol And because of that he went to jail? how about Bush who killed millions of Iraqis? why hasn't he been tried? After all, every President has his own sins, don't think Trump is worse than other Presidents, they are all the same. If you want Trump to go to jail, then all American Presidents should go to jail too. Title: Re: Trump for prison. Post by: TwitchySeal on August 27, 2022, 05:54:13 AM There is not a single president in this world who is clean, everyone has their own sins. So when the government wants to imprison Trump because of his sin it doesn't make sense, even though he did a lot of controversy but still he is a former President and has done his duty as President in defending America's economy and constitution. And do you think that Bush or Biden is clean compared to Trump? He stole a ton of classified documents and then refused to give them back. He organized a violent insurrection to try and stay in power after losing the election. He scammed his supporters for 10s of millions of dollars raising money for a foundation that didn't exist to stop the steal of an election he knew wasn't stolen. He makes Richard Nixon look like a choir boy if you must compare him to other presidents lol And because of that he went to jail? how about Bush who killed millions of Iraqis? why hasn't he been tried? After all, every President has his own sins, don't think Trump is worse than other Presidents, they are all the same. If you want Trump to go to jail, then all American Presidents should go to jail too. No, they aren't all the same. Each one is actually different. Some are worse than others, some are actually not bad at all. It's a fair argument to make that Bush should be tried for war crimes. But, that has nothing to do with Trumps domestic crimes. He literally tried to overthrow the government. He stole classified documents putting American assets at risk, kept them in an unsecured basement and various other places at his country club, refused to give them back for months until finally giving some back and lying about not having any more. Even if you were right about all Presidents committing equal crimes (you're obviously not) - are you saying that's a good thing and how it should be? Title: Re: Trump for prison. Post by: paxmao on August 27, 2022, 11:06:15 AM My take is that Trump will never set foot on a prison. It is very likely that he has committed a number of crimes including sedition, treason and broken several federal rules. The obvious problem is that he has the RP under his thumb and seems to have an unlimited influence in some areas of the US and has the ability to install and depose candidates at will.
There is no way that the judiciary nor the legislative can deal with such an influence to the point of sending the guy to prison. Best case scenario (or worst for Title: Re: Trump for prison. Post by: BADecker on August 27, 2022, 02:32:18 PM Could somebody please list the bad things that Trump did? Please don't list opinions. Rather, list the real bad things he did. Also, mention whether or not Biden has done the same, and if Biden did it worse or not.
One example is Operation Warp Speed regarding pushing the Covid vaccines that we are now finding out have killed and maimed millions. Of course, Biden pushed the vaccines many times more than Trump, and it was the people who accepted them voluntarily... 'cause people often don't think. Another is that Trump (like other politicians) didn't promote teaching the people how to stand in court as simple unrepresented people so they could win against against victimless crimes the state accused them of. Of course, Biden is ignoring this info at least as badly as Trump. Below is the list of many of the good things that Trump did. Of course, some people won't think that these things are all good. But everybody will find some good among them, even if they don't acknowledge the good. Quote WHAT HAS TRUMP ACTUALLY DONE? What did PRESIDENT TRUMP and his cabinet accomplish?? .... HERE YOU GO ... * Trump recently signed 3 bills to benefit Native people. One gives compensation to the Spokane tribe for loss of their lands in the mid-1900s, one funds Native language programs, and the third gives federal recognition to the Little Shell Tribe of Chippewa Indians in Montana. * Trump finalized the creation of Space Force as our 6th Military branch. * Trump signed a law to make cruelty to animals a federal felony so that animal abusers face tougher consequences. * Violent crime has fallen every year he’s been in office after rising during the 2 years before he was elected. * Trump signed a bill making CBD and Hemp legal. * Trump’s EPA gave $100 million to fix the water infrastructure problem in Flint, Michigan. * Under Trump’s leadership, in 2018 the U.S. surpassed Russia and Saudi Arabia to become the world’s largest producer of crude oil. * Trump signed a law ending the gag orders on Pharmacists that prevented them from sharing money-saving information. * Trump signed the “Allow States and Victims to Fight Online Sex Trafficking Act” (FOSTA), which includes the “Stop Enabling Sex Traffickers Act” (SESTA) which both give law enforcement and victims new tools to fight sex trafficking. * Trump signed a bill to require airports to provide spaces for breastfeeding Moms. * The 25% lowest-paid Americans enjoyed a 4.5% income boost in November 2019, which outpaces a 2.9% gain in earnings for the country's highest-paid workers. * Low-wage workers are benefiting from higher minimum wages and from corporations that are increasing entry-level pay. * Trump signed the biggest wilderness protection & conservation bill in a decade and designated 375,000 acres as protected land. * Trump signed the Save our Seas Act which funds $10 million per year to clean tons of plastic & garbage from the ocean. * He signed a bill this year allowing some drug imports from Canada so that prescription prices would go down. * Trump signed an executive order this year that forces all healthcare providers to disclose the cost of their services so that Americans can comparison shop and know how much fewer providers charge insurance companies. * When signing that bill he said no American should be blindsided by bills for medical services they never agreed to in advance. * Hospitals will now be required to post their standard charges for services, which include the discounted price a hospital is willing to accept. * In the eight years prior to President Trump’s inauguration, prescription drug prices increased by an average of 3.6% per year. Under Trump, drug prices have seen year-over-year declines in nine of the last ten months, with a 1.1% drop as of the most recent month. * He created a White House VA Hotline to help veterans and principally staffed it with veterans and direct family members of veterans. * VA employees are being held accountable for poor performance, with more than 4,000 VA employees removed, demoted, and suspended so far. * Issued an executive order requiring the Secretaries of Defense, Homeland Security, and Veterans Affairs to submit a joint plan to provide veterans access to access to mental health treatment as they transition to civilian life. * Because of a bill signed and championed by Trump, In 2020, most federal employees will see their pay increase by an average of 3.1% — the largest raise in more than 10 years. * Trump signed into law up to 12 weeks of paid parental leave for millions of federal workers. * Trump administration will provide HIV prevention drugs for free to 200,000 uninsured patients per year for 11 years. * All-time record sales during the 2019 holidays. * Trump signed an order allowing small businesses to group together when buying insurance to get a better price * President Trump signed the Preventing Maternal Deaths Act that provides funding for states to develop maternal mortality reviews to better understand maternal complications and identify solutions & largely focuses on reducing the higher mortality rates for Black Americans. * In 2018, President Trump signed the groundbreaking First Step Act, a criminal justice bill that enacted reforms that make our justice system fairer and help former inmates successfully return to society. * The First Step Act’s reforms addressed inequities in sentencing laws that disproportionately harmed Black Americans and reformed mandatory minimums that created unfair outcomes. * The First Step Act expanded judicial discretion in the sentencing of non-violent crimes. * Over 90% of those benefitting from the retroactive sentencing reductions in the First Step Act are Black Americans. * The First Step Act provides rehabilitative programs to inmates, helping them successfully rejoin society and not return to crime. * Trump increased funding for Historically Black Colleges and Universities (HBCUs) by more than 14%. * Trump signed legislation forgiving Hurricane Katrina debt that threatened HBCUs. * New single-family home sales are up 31.6% in October 2019 compared to just one year ago. * Made HBCUs a priority by creating the position of executive director of the White House Initiative on HBCUs. * Trump received the Bipartisan Justice Award at a historically black college for his criminal justice reform accomplishments. * The poverty rate fell to a 17-year low of 11.8% under the Trump administration as a result of a jobs-rich environment. * Poverty rates for African-Americans and Hispanic-Americans have reached their lowest levels since the U.S. began collecting such data. * President Trump signed a bill that creates five national monuments, expands several national parks, adds 1.3 million acres of wilderness, and permanently reauthorizes the Land and Water Conservation Fund. * Trump’s USDA committed $124 Million to rebuild rural water infrastructure. * Consumer confidence & small business confidence is at an all-time high. * More than 7 million jobs created since the election. * More Americans are now employed than ever recorded before in our history. * More than 400,000 manufacturing jobs created since his election. * Trump appointed 5 openly gay ambassadors. * Trump ordered Ric Grenell, his openly gay ambassador to Germany, to lead a global initiative to decriminalize homosexuality across the globe. * Through Trump’s Anti-Trafficking Coordination Team (ACTeam) initiative, Federal law enforcement more than doubled convictions of human traffickers and increased the number of defendants charged by 75% in ACTeam districts. * In 2018, the Department of Justice (DOJ) dismantled an organization that was the internet’s leading source of prostitution-related advertisements resulting in sex trafficking. * Trump’s OMB published new anti-trafficking guidance for government procurement officials to more effectively combat human trafficking. * Trump’s Immigration and Customs Enforcement’s Homeland Security Investigations arrested 1,588 criminals associated with Human Trafficking. * Trump’s Department of Health and Human Services provided funding to support the National Human Trafficking Hotline to identify perpetrators and give victims the help they need. * The hotline identified 16,862 potential human trafficking cases. * Trump’s DOJ provided grants to organizations that support human trafficking victims – serving nearly 9,000 cases from July 1, 2017, to June 30, 2018. * The Department of Homeland Security has hired more victim assistance specialists, helping victims get resources and support. * President Trump has called on Congress to pass school choice legislation so that no child is trapped in a failing school because of his or her zip code. * The President signed funding legislation in September 2018 that increased funding for school choice by $42 million. * The tax cuts signed into law by President Trump promote school choice by allowing families to use 529 college savings plans for elementary and secondary education. * Under his leadership, ISIS has lost most of its territory and been largely dismantled. * ISIS leader Abu Bakr Al-Baghdadi was killed. * Signed the first Perkins CTE reauthorization since 2006, authorizing more than $1 billion for states each year to fund vocational and career education programs. * Executive order expanding apprenticeship opportunities for students and workers. * Trump issued an Executive Order prohibiting the U.S. government from discriminating against Christians or punishing expressions of faith. * Signed an executive order that allows the government to withhold money from college campuses deemed to be anti-Semitic and who fail to combat anti-Semitism. * President Trump ordered a halt to U.S. tax money going to international organizations that fund or perform abortions. * Trump imposed sanctions on the socialists in Venezuela who have killed their citizens. * Finalized new trade agreement with South Korea. * Made a deal with the European Union to increase U.S. energy exports to Europe. * Withdrew the U.S. from the job-killing TPP deal. * Secured $250 billion in new trade and investment deals in China and $12 billion in Vietnam. * Okay’d up to $12 billion in aid for farmers affected by unfair trade retaliation. * Has had over a dozen US hostages freed, including those Obama could not get freed. * Trump signed the Music Modernization Act, the biggest change to copyright law in decades. * Trump secured Billions that will fund the building of a wall at our southern border. * The Trump Administration is promoting second chance hiring to give former inmates the opportunity to live crime-free lives and find meaningful employment. * Trump’s DOJ and the Board Of Prisons launched a new “Ready to Work Initiative” to help connect employers directly with former prisoners. * President Trump’s historic tax cut legislation included new Opportunity Zone Incentives to promote investment in low-income communities across the country. * 8,764 communities across the country have been designated as Opportunity Zones. * Opportunity Zones are expected to spur $100 billion in long-term private capital investment in economically distressed communities across the country. * Trump directed the Education Secretary to end Common Core. * Trump signed the 9/11 Victims Compensation Fund into law. * Trump signed measure funding prevention programs for Veteran suicide. * Companies have brought back over a TRILLION dollars from overseas because of the TCJA bill that Trump signed. * Manufacturing jobs are growing at the fastest rate in more than 30 years. * Stock Market has reached record highs. * Median household income has hit the highest level ever recorded. * African-American unemployment is at an all-time low. * Hispanic-American unemployment is at an all-time low. * Asian-American unemployment is at an all-time low. * Women’s unemployment rate is at a 65-year low. * Youth unemployment is at a 50-year low. * We have the lowest unemployment rate ever recorded. * The Pledge to America’s Workers has resulted in employers committing to train more than 4 million Americans. * 95 percent of U.S. manufacturers are optimistic about the future— the highest ever. * As a result of the Republican tax bill, small businesses will have the lowest top marginal tax rate in more than 80 years. * Record number of regulations eliminated that hurt small businesses. * Signed welfare reform requiring able-bodied adults who don’t have children to work or look for work if they’re on welfare. * Under Trump, the FDA approved more affordable generic drugs than ever before in history. * Reformed Medicare program to stop hospitals from overcharging low-income seniors on their drugs—saving seniors 100’s of millions of $$$ this year alone. * Signed Right-To-Try legislation allowing terminally ill patients to try an experimental treatment that wasn’t allowed before. * Secured $6 billion in new funding to fight the opioid epidemic. * Signed VA Choice Act and VA Accountability Act, expanded VA telehealth services, walk-in-clinics, and same-day urgent primary and mental health care. * U.S. oil production recently reached an all-time high so we are less dependent on oil from the Middle East. * The U.S. is a net natural gas exporter for the first time since 1957. * NATO allies increased their defense spending because of his pressure campaign. * Withdrew the United States from the job-killing Paris Climate Accord in 2017 and that same year the U.S. still led the world by having the largest reduction in carbon emissions. * Has his circuit court judge nominees being confirmed faster than any other new administration. * Had his Supreme Court Justice’s Neil Gorsuch and Brett Kavanaugh confirmed. * Moved U.S. Embassy in Israel to Jerusalem. * Agreed to a new trade deal with Mexico & Canada that will increase jobs here and $$$ coming in. * Reached a breakthrough agreement with the E.U. to increase U.S. exports. * Imposed tariffs on China in response to China’s forced technology transfer, intellectual property theft, and their chronically abusive trade practices, has agreed to a Part One trade deal with China. * Signed legislation to improve the National Suicide Hotline. * Signed the most comprehensive childhood cancer legislation ever into law, which will advance childhood cancer research and improve treatments. * The Tax Cuts and Jobs Act signed into law by Trump doubled the maximum amount of the child tax credit available to parents and lifted the income limits so more people could claim it. * It also created a new tax credit for other dependents. * In 2018, President Trump signed into law a $2.4 billion funding increase for the Child Care and Development Fund, providing a total of $8.1 billion to states to fund child care for low-income families. * The Child and Dependent Care Tax Credit (CDCTC) signed into law by Trump provides a tax credit equal to 20-35% of child care expenses, $3,000 per child & $6,000 per family + Flexible Spending Accounts (FSAs) allow you to set aside up to $5,000 in pre-tax $ to use for child care. * In 2019 President Donald Trump signed the Autism Collaboration, Accountability, Research, Education and Support Act (CARES) into law which allocates $1.8 billion in funding over the next five years to help people with autism spectrum disorder and to help their families. * In 2019 President Trump signed into law two funding packages providing nearly $19 million in new funding for Lupus specific research and education programs, as well an additional $41.7 billion in funding for the National Institutes of Health (NIH), the most Lupus funding EVER. * Another upcoming accomplishment to add: In the next week or two Trump will be signing the first major anti-robocall law in decades called the TRACED Act (Telephone Robocall Abuse Criminal Enforcement and Deterrence.) Once it’s the law, the TRACED Act will extend the period of time the FCC has to catch & punish those who intentionally break telemarketing restrictions. The bill also requires voice service providers to develop a framework to verify calls are legitimate before they reach your phone. * US stock market continually hits all-time record highs. * Because so many people asked for a document with all of this listed in one place, here it is. No links provided to remove bias as Google search is easy. Print this out for family, friends, neighbors, etc. I encourage you to drop this list off to voters before the 2020 election too! *Trump did all of this while fighting flagrant abuse and impeachment charges. 8) Title: Re: Trump for prison. Post by: paxmao on August 27, 2022, 10:48:29 PM Could somebody please list the bad things that Trump did? Please don't list opinions. Rather, list the real bad things he did. Also, mention whether or not Biden has done the same, and if Biden did it worse or not.... You don't get it. This is not about "good" and "bad", is about "legal" or "illegal". For example: Trying to press a governor to change the results of the elections: Illegal. Sending a mob to the Capitol: Illegal. And that is just the most evident an notorious because is public and has been investigated publicly, there must be piles of illegal doings just waiting to be uncovered once the guy looses the grip on the RP. Title: Re: Trump for prison. Post by: BADecker on August 28, 2022, 12:43:55 AM Could somebody please list the bad things that Trump did? Please don't list opinions. Rather, list the real bad things he did. Also, mention whether or not Biden has done the same, and if Biden did it worse or not.... You don't get it. This is not about "good" and "bad", is about "legal" or "illegal". For example: Trying to press a governor to change the results of the elections: Illegal. Sending a mob to the Capitol: Illegal. And that is just the most evident an notorious because is public and has been investigated publicly, there must be piles of illegal doings just waiting to be uncovered once the guy looses the grip on the RP. No, it's you that just don't get it. Your blab is simple hearsay and slander. There are videos of the Capitol cops ushering the rioters into the Capitol. There are videos of Trump stating that everything must be done peacefully. You simply slander because you can't find anything bad that Trump has done. But I showed you the dozens or hundreds of good things he did. Time to get Biden and the Dems out of government. Look at the mess people are living in because of them... and the war. 8) Title: Re: Trump for prison. Post by: TwitchySeal on August 28, 2022, 06:34:03 AM Could somebody please list the bad things that Trump did? Please don't list opinions. Rather, list the real bad things he did. Also, mention whether or not Biden has done the same, and if Biden did it worse or not.... You don't get it. This is not about "good" and "bad", is about "legal" or "illegal". For example: Trying to press a governor to change the results of the elections: Illegal. Sending a mob to the Capitol: Illegal. And that is just the most evident an notorious because is public and has been investigated publicly, there must be piles of illegal doings just waiting to be uncovered once the guy looses the grip on the RP. No, it's you that just don't get it. Your blab is simple hearsay and slander. There are videos of the Capitol cops ushering the rioters into the Capitol. There are videos of Trump stating that everything must be done peacefully. You simply slander because you can't find anything bad that Trump has done. But I showed you the dozens or hundreds of good things he did. Time to get Biden and the Dems out of government. Look at the mess people are living in because of them... and the war. 8) There are videos of rioters beating the shit out of Capital Police at the security perimeter. Which is why you see cops standing down once the perimeter was overwhelmed. The "police were waiving them in" argument is a favorite among the lowest IQ Trump supporters (very low). Most of them don't even have a point after "Police were waiving them in". It just ends there. https://i.gyazo.com/5753717ab31f976233fd3fe9b8706e9a.jpg Title: Re: Trump for prison. Post by: Wakate on August 28, 2022, 11:13:56 AM Could somebody please list the bad things that Trump did? Please don't list opinions. Rather, list the real bad things he did. Also, mention whether or not Biden has done the same, and if Biden did it worse or not.... You don't get it. This is not about "good" and "bad", is about "legal" or "illegal". For example: Trying to press a governor to change the results of the elections: Illegal. Sending a mob to the Capitol: Illegal. And that is just the most evident an notorious because is public and has been investigated publicly, there must be piles of illegal doings just waiting to be uncovered once the guy looses the grip on the RP. Do you mean that the current high inflation and other unexpected things citizens are facing now can be compared to the ordinary coincidence that happened during Trump administration? Let's not run around the bush, Trump is till my best president for Americans in respective of what people thinks about him. Title: Re: Trump for prison. Post by: BADecker on August 28, 2022, 09:41:30 PM No, it's you that just don't get it. Your blab is simple hearsay and slander. There are videos of the Capitol cops ushering the rioters into the Capitol. There are videos of Trump stating that everything must be done peacefully. You simply slander because you can't find anything bad that Trump has done. But I showed you the dozens or hundreds of good things he did. Time to get Biden and the Dems out of government. Look at the mess people are living in because of them... and the war. 8) There are videos of rioters beating the shit out of Capital Police at the security perimeter. Which is why you see cops standing down once the perimeter was overwhelmed. The "police were waiving them in" argument is a favorite among the lowest IQ Trump supporters (very low). Most of them don't even have a point after "Police were waiving them in". It just ends there. https://i.gyazo.com/5753717ab31f976233fd3fe9b8706e9a.jpg There aren't any videos or any other kind of info that shows that Trump had anything to do with the Jan. 6 riots. But there are videos and info that show that the peaceful gatherings were crashed by Soros paid professional rioters. 8) Title: Re: Trump for prison. Post by: TwitchySeal on August 29, 2022, 01:56:46 AM No, it's you that just don't get it. Your blab is simple hearsay and slander. There are videos of the Capitol cops ushering the rioters into the Capitol. There are videos of Trump stating that everything must be done peacefully. You simply slander because you can't find anything bad that Trump has done. But I showed you the dozens or hundreds of good things he did. Time to get Biden and the Dems out of government. Look at the mess people are living in because of them... and the war. 8) There are videos of rioters beating the shit out of Capital Police at the security perimeter. Which is why you see cops standing down once the perimeter was overwhelmed. The "police were waiving them in" argument is a favorite among the lowest IQ Trump supporters (very low). Most of them don't even have a point after "Police were waiving them in". It just ends there. https://i.gyazo.com/5753717ab31f976233fd3fe9b8706e9a.jpg There aren't any videos or any other kind of info that shows that Trump had anything to do with the Jan. 6 riots. But there are videos and info that show that the peaceful gatherings were crashed by Soros paid professional rioters. 8) Yeah...there are. There's been a bipartisan investigation going on all year. Tons of evidence. Title: Re: Trump for prison. Post by: BADecker on August 30, 2022, 02:07:59 AM ... Yeah...there are. There's been a bipartisan investigation going on all year. Tons of evidence. Lol. They've been looking for and finding evidence against Trump since before he was elected in 2016. What did they find? Tons of evidence that didn't mean squat. Maybe if they literally overturn every rock in the Appalachian Mountains, maybe they will find some then. But if they don't, they could always start on the Rockies... or maybe check under every snow flake at both of the poles. LOL. "Declare the Rightful Winner or…Have a New Election"... (https://www.freedomsphoenix.com/News/331241-2022-08-29-declare-the-rightful-winner-or-have-a-new-election.htm) President Trump shared that the FBI buried the Hunter Biden laptop story and interfered in the 2020 election. The only remedy is to declare the rightful winner or have another election. So now it comes out, conclusively, that the FBI BURIED THE HUNTER BIDEN LAPTOP STORY BEFORE THE ELECTION knowing that, if they didn't, "Trump would have easily won the 2020 Presidential Election." This is massive FRAUD & ELECTION INTERFERENCE at a level never seen before in our Country. REMEDY: Declare the rightful winner or, and this would be the minimal solution, declare the 2020 Election irreparably compromised and have a new Election, immediately President Trump is right. The FBI interfered in the 2020 Election. So did the media, Big Tech, corrupt politicians, corrupt government workers, and more. The only remedy for this is as the President says, either declare the rightful winner or have a redo. Redo's have occurred before and there is a precedent for doing this. Everybody knows Joe Biden didn't win 81 million votes. ... 8) Title: Re: Trump for prison. Post by: paxmao on August 31, 2022, 09:16:43 PM Could somebody please list the bad things that Trump did? Please don't list opinions. Rather, list the real bad things he did. Also, mention whether or not Biden has done the same, and if Biden did it worse or not.... You don't get it. This is not about "good" and "bad", is about "legal" or "illegal". For example: Trying to press a governor to change the results of the elections: Illegal. Sending a mob to the Capitol: Illegal. And that is just the most evident an notorious because is public and has been investigated publicly, there must be piles of illegal doings just waiting to be uncovered once the guy looses the grip on the RP. No, it's you that just don't get it. Your blab is simple hearsay and slander. There are videos of the Capitol cops ushering the rioters into the Capitol. There are videos of Trump stating that everything must be done peacefully. You simply slander because you can't find anything bad that Trump has done. But I showed you the dozens or hundreds of good things he did. Time to get Biden and the Dems out of government. Look at the mess people are living in because of them... and the war. 8) No, you may have tried to ignore the investigation that has been done on the subject, but it is recorded and will be there as evidence for historians to consult. The true extent of Trump's actions is well documented and even a number of people from his of family and environment have made very clear that had tried to subvert the US people's will. Again, "good things" is not the topic. Title: Re: Trump for prison. Post by: bluefirecorp_ on September 02, 2022, 02:50:30 PM T r ump might have committed crimes. But he was someone who gave the slogan make America great again. I love him for that... The "Make America Great" and "America First" campaigns were just stolen from the books of history. Title: Re: Trump for prison. Post by: OgNasty on September 02, 2022, 07:25:28 PM T r ump might have committed crimes. But he was someone who gave the slogan make America great again. I love him for that... Well, it came out today that white house aides were responsible for packing up the classified information and placing it in mar-a-lago against Trump's direct orders. He literally ordered them not to pack up the information and they did it anyway. Now the democrats are trying to use this to smear Trump? He literally said not to do it and they went against his orders. I don't even need to look into what party the aides were affiliated with to know what happened here. Our country is under attack and everybody is worried about what bathrooms to use. Title: Re: Trump for prison. Post by: TwitchySeal on September 02, 2022, 08:51:40 PM T r ump might have committed crimes. But he was someone who gave the slogan make America great again. I love him for that... Well, it came out today that white house aides were responsible for packing up the classified information and placing it in mar-a-lago against Trump's direct orders. He literally ordered them not to pack up the information and they did it anyway. Now the democrats are trying to use this to smear Trump? He literally said not to do it and they went against his orders. I don't even need to look into what party the aides were affiliated with to know what happened here. Our country is under attack and everybody is worried about what bathrooms to use. He ordered them not to pack his shit because he wasn't planning on leaving the White House even though he knew he lost the election to Biden. But hey, ok, you don't think Trump should be held responsible for the stolen classified documents that ended up at his home in Florida more than a year after leaving office. What about refusing to return them to the government when asked? He obviously knew he had them since he claimed he declassified them. What about refusing to return them when subpoenaed? What about lying and saying he did return them all when he didn't? What about the 48 empty folders that were recovered without the classified documents that were on the label? (https://www.nytimes.com/2022/09/02/us/politics/trump-fbi-folders-classified.html) Is there anything Trump could do that you wouldn't defend and argue that he's a victim? Quote I don't even need to look into what party the aides were affiliated with to know what happened here. Ummm...you don't seriously think Trumps aids were democrats do you? Jesus. The president chooses who works in the White House while they are in office. "Democrats packed up classified documents and shipped them to Trumps house in florida against his will so he's innocent, the democrats framed him" has to be one of the dumbest arguments I've come across since the FBI recovered the stolen documents. And there have been some very dumb arguments. Just so many layers of stupid when you look at the actual facts. The reality is that if there were a reasonable argument, you'd be parroting it back right now. But there isn't. So all you have are gems like this one. Title: Re: Trump for prison. Post by: BADecker on September 02, 2022, 09:06:18 PM Could somebody please list the bad things that Trump did? Please don't list opinions. Rather, list the real bad things he did. Also, mention whether or not Biden has done the same, and if Biden did it worse or not.... You don't get it. This is not about "good" and "bad", is about "legal" or "illegal". For example: Trying to press a governor to change the results of the elections: Illegal. Sending a mob to the Capitol: Illegal. And that is just the most evident an notorious because is public and has been investigated publicly, there must be piles of illegal doings just waiting to be uncovered once the guy looses the grip on the RP. No, it's you that just don't get it. Your blab is simple hearsay and slander. There are videos of the Capitol cops ushering the rioters into the Capitol. There are videos of Trump stating that everything must be done peacefully. You simply slander because you can't find anything bad that Trump has done. But I showed you the dozens or hundreds of good things he did. Time to get Biden and the Dems out of government. Look at the mess people are living in because of them... and the war. 8) No, you may have tried to ignore the investigation that has been done on the subject, but it is recorded and will be there as evidence for historians to consult. The true extent of Trump's actions is well documented and even a number of people from his of family and environment have made very clear that had tried to subvert the US people's will. Again, "good things" is not the topic. Trump has photos showing that there was nothing secretive about the way the documents were taken from government. On top of that, he had ordered that at least some of the documents NOT be taken to his home, but Dem compatriots took them there anyway. In addition, the documents were never left lying around at home, but were in a room that was under double lock and key. Besides, all the FBI had to do was ask Trump for the docs; he was ready to voluntarily turn them over anytime; but they never asked him for them. The point is that Trump has always been acting in good faith regarding everything. 8) Title: Re: Trump for prison. Post by: bluefirecorp_ on September 03, 2022, 02:23:20 AM I think someone needs to update the poll honestly. The "next year" option is running out of time. Needs to be something between 2023 option and the 2028 option honestly.
Title: Re: Trump for prison. Post by: TwitchySeal on September 03, 2022, 03:45:03 AM The point is that Trump has always been acting in good faith regarding everything. lol https://i.gyazo.com/16a802566b9d938905f62b93a4eff126.png Title: Re: Trump for prison. Post by: BADecker on September 03, 2022, 11:00:46 PM The point is that Trump has always been acting in good faith regarding everything. lol https://i.gyazo.com/16a802566b9d938905f62b93a4eff126.png It took the current government all this time to even figure out that they were going to do something. They are on a fishing expedition, just to see if they can't somehow get something - anything - to stop Trump in 2024. They don't have any choice. If they don't stop him now, they are dead, and a bunch of them will be going to prison when Trump gets back in office. 8) Title: Re: Trump for prison. Post by: TwitchySeal on September 03, 2022, 11:56:43 PM The point is that Trump has always been acting in good faith regarding everything. lol https://i.gyazo.com/16a802566b9d938905f62b93a4eff126.png It took the current government all this time to even figure out that they were going to do something. They are on a fishing expedition, just to see if they can't somehow get something - anything - to stop Trump in 2024. They don't have any choice. If they don't stop him now, they are dead, and a bunch of them will be going to prison when Trump gets back in office. 8) https://i.snipboard.io/Ths97q.jpg Title: Re: Trump for prison. Post by: PrimeNumber7 on September 04, 2022, 09:34:31 PM The point is that Trump has always been acting in good faith regarding everything. lol https://i.gyazo.com/16a802566b9d938905f62b93a4eff126.png It took the current government all this time to even figure out that they were going to do something. They are on a fishing expedition, just to see if they can't somehow get something - anything - to stop Trump in 2024. They don't have any choice. If they don't stop him now, they are dead, and a bunch of them will be going to prison when Trump gets back in office. 8) https://i.snipboard.io/Ths97q.jpg Title: Re: Trump for prison. Post by: TwitchySeal on September 05, 2022, 02:10:55 AM The point is that Trump has always been acting in good faith regarding everything. lol https://i.gyazo.com/16a802566b9d938905f62b93a4eff126.png It took the current government all this time to even figure out that they were going to do something. They are on a fishing expedition, just to see if they can't somehow get something - anything - to stop Trump in 2024. They don't have any choice. If they don't stop him now, they are dead, and a bunch of them will be going to prison when Trump gets back in office. 8) https://i.snipboard.io/Ths97q.jpg The facts show Trump stole a ton of sensitive government records and refused to give them all back to the FBI voluntarily. Title: Re: Trump for prison. Post by: BADecker on September 07, 2022, 05:18:18 PM ^^^ They really don't have an answer. The few documents that Trump had under lock and key, are nothing compared to the docs and other criminal activities that Obama's doing even today.
8) Title: Re: Trump for prison. Post by: TwitchySeal on September 07, 2022, 09:34:18 PM ^^^ They really don't have an answer. The few documents that Trump had under lock and key, are nothing compared to the docs and other criminal activities that Obama's doing even today. 8) He actually stole thousands of government documents, over 300 of them were classified. Title: Re: Trump for prison. Post by: BADecker on September 07, 2022, 09:41:07 PM ^^^ They really don't have an answer. The few documents that Trump had under lock and key, are nothing compared to the docs and other criminal activities that Obama's doing even today. 8) He actually stole thousands of government documents, over 300 of them were classified. You don't know that he stole them, and I believe that he had the right to take them (if he did) and maybe the duty. 8) Title: Re: Trump for prison. Post by: bluefirecorp_ on January 01, 2023, 09:45:26 PM Made it to 2023.
Gonna be interesting to see if Trump is arrested this year. Title: Re: Trump for prison. Post by: paxmao on January 02, 2023, 12:19:26 AM ^^^ They really don't have an answer. The few documents that Trump had under lock and key, are nothing compared to the docs and other criminal activities that Obama's doing even today. 8) He actually stole thousands of government documents, over 300 of them were classified. You don't know that he stole them, and I believe that he had the right to take them (if he did) and maybe the duty. 8) Fortunately, the law does not care about "what you believe" or if you "think is right", it is in written and only a judge - someone who actually understands the law and cares about it - can up to a point decide on interpretation. Everything points out at your loved leader (I am starting to think he may be your dad), broke the official secrets law by taking documents that were in point A, where they belong, to point B, where they do not belong. That is illegal, period. If proven, he has broken the law - and really important one. Title: Re: Trump for prison. Post by: Maestro75 on January 02, 2023, 04:42:21 AM He committed a lot of crimes, including state crimes. How long do you believe until he'll go to prison? Since he has not been prosecuted and convicted till today it means they have not found anything to nail him. America is not a banana republic that jumps procedure just to get someone accused of a crime nailed. There are procedures and transparency to get to this things. The way it is now, Trump did not commit that crime and is going to walk off free. Title: Re: Trump for prison. Post by: Sakanwa on January 02, 2023, 06:33:56 AM Thank you so much for this wonderful topic, I truly appreciate because I have a lot to talk about on this topic, our life ends as we keep silent to those things that matters, I suggest trump should be in a permanent prison, he should just face what he has commit in the nation, there is no too much questions for someone who is against the rules and regulations of the nation, trump is not obeying the rules, and his bringing violence to the society, my opinion is that a fast reaction is needed to take before trump now.
Title: Re: Trump for prison. Post by: BADecker on January 02, 2023, 01:30:41 PM Thank you so much for this wonderful topic, I truly appreciate because I have a lot to talk about on this topic, our life ends as we keep silent to those things that matters, I suggest trump should be in a permanent prison, he should just face what he has commit in the nation, there is no too much questions for someone who is against the rules and regulations of the nation, trump is not obeying the rules, and his bringing violence to the society, my opinion is that a fast reaction is needed to take before trump now. So, you think Trump did bad things? He didn't do anything nearly as bad as the presidents of the last 3 decades. But he did hundreds of good things. See a short (dozens) list of them here https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5313290.msg60834577#msg60834577. 8) Title: Re: Trump for prison. Post by: paxmao on January 03, 2023, 12:43:16 AM Thank you so much for this wonderful topic, I truly appreciate because I have a lot to talk about on this topic, our life ends as we keep silent to those things that matters, I suggest trump should be in a permanent prison, he should just face what he has commit in the nation, there is no too much questions for someone who is against the rules and regulations of the nation, trump is not obeying the rules, and his bringing violence to the society, my opinion is that a fast reaction is needed to take before trump now. So, you think Trump did bad things? He didn't do anything nearly as bad as the presidents of the last 3 decades. But he did hundreds of good things. See a short (dozens) list of them here https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5313290.msg60834577#msg60834577. 8) You don't get it. Trump did not do "bad things", he broke the law as it is written and as it is intended to be enforced. It does not matter if other people broke or did not breal the law in the past and it does not matter if you agree with him or consider him someone of value. It is about having rules and following them. The guy is so used to doing whatever he wants since he was a child that does not even know right from wrong anyway. Title: Re: Trump for prison. Post by: cmg777 on January 03, 2023, 01:20:24 AM How about instead of prison he ends up like Epstein or a bullet in his head? Then you would all stop talking about him non-stop as he lives rent-free in your head due to the mainstream media. I bet if he did drop dead then you would all still complain about the man such as "Trump's grave location angers blah blah blah".
Title: Re: Trump for prison. Post by: TwitchySeal on January 03, 2023, 03:40:22 AM How about instead of prison he ends up like Epstein or a bullet in his head? Then you would all stop talking about him non-stop as he lives rent-free in your head due to the mainstream media. I bet if he did drop dead then you would all still complain about the man such as "Trump's grave location angers blah blah blah". If it bothers you when people talk about Trump just wait till the indictments start rolling in... Title: Re: Trump for prison. Post by: worldofcoins on January 09, 2023, 10:57:53 AM I think we should not be judgemental of him and let the court decide what he deserves. If crimes were proven against him, it would be the court's discretion to determine what type of punishment should be granted to him.
Title: Re: Trump for prison. Post by: BADecker on January 09, 2023, 04:49:00 PM Thank you so much for this wonderful topic, I truly appreciate because I have a lot to talk about on this topic, our life ends as we keep silent to those things that matters, I suggest trump should be in a permanent prison, he should just face what he has commit in the nation, there is no too much questions for someone who is against the rules and regulations of the nation, trump is not obeying the rules, and his bringing violence to the society, my opinion is that a fast reaction is needed to take before trump now. So, you think Trump did bad things? He didn't do anything nearly as bad as the presidents of the last 3 decades. But he did hundreds of good things. See a short (dozens) list of them here https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5313290.msg60834577#msg60834577. 8) You don't get it. Trump did not do "bad things", he broke the law as it is written and as it is intended to be enforced. It does not matter if other people broke or did not breal the law in the past and it does not matter if you agree with him or consider him someone of value. It is about having rules and following them. The guy is so used to doing whatever he wants since he was a child that does not even know right from wrong anyway. We all do a few illegal things here and there, now and again... illegal according to some law in government. The question is, why do people focus on Trump's few, tiny illegal things that he MAYBE did, but ignore the loads of far worse illegal things that Biden and the Dems ARE DOING, and have been doing long before Trump ever got into government? A lot of it has to do with the movies. People look at the acting that a President does, and make a decision about him based on what they like to see in the movies. Is that you? Or... Are you so much in favor of the Ukraine war that you would love any President that gives money to Ukraine?... something that Trump didn't do, because it is illegal by basic American Constitutional law. Why aren't you talking about the illegal thing that Biden and the Dems are doing when they take the money of the American people and give it away? You probably aren't a bad person. You are simply hung up by the brainwashing the media has done to you. And before you say that I am the one who is brainwashed, answer the above questions... at least in your own mind. 8) EDIT: Check out the good things that Trump did. Some of them are illegal. Some of the laws are bad laws. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5313290.msg60834577#msg60834577 Title: Re: Trump for prison. Post by: TwitchySeal on January 10, 2023, 01:34:12 AM The question is, why do people focus on Trump's few, tiny illegal things that he MAYBE did They don't. He's definitely done way too many serious illegal things like refuse to hand over highly classified documents after leaving office, inciting a violent insurrection, trying to overthrow the government, or defrauding the government and other Americans for millions of dollars. There's no time for anyone to worry about "tiny illegal things". Title: Re: Trump for prison. Post by: ZoeSamantha on January 10, 2023, 07:15:17 AM This is not possible. It is difficult for his assets to shake his position in the United States. Behind him is the support of his family business. It is currently impossible for the president to go to jail. He is the law and he has the final say.
Title: Re: Trump for prison. Post by: lenexn on January 10, 2023, 07:37:20 AM Trump's actions should go to prison but will not be taken. He has brought too much violence to the society. The crimes he committed should be kept in prison forever, and he cannot be allowed to go unpunished.
Title: Re: Trump for prison. Post by: zfhrt80 on January 10, 2023, 08:53:07 AM The power is in his hands, he will not let himself be imprisoned, he can do whatever he wants with the power in his hands, I think if you stand in this position, no one can not be tempted by the rights and interests.
Title: Re: Trump for prison. Post by: cmg777 on January 10, 2023, 09:37:56 PM How about instead of prison he ends up like Epstein or a bullet in his head? Then you would all stop talking about him non-stop as he lives rent-free in your head due to the mainstream media. I bet if he did drop dead then you would all still complain about the man such as "Trump's grave location angers blah blah blah". If it bothers you when people talk about Trump just wait till the indictments start rolling in... Honestly as my statement says Trump has been dead to me since late 2020 as he went along with the pandemic till the end and either balloted out of office or wanted to get kicked out of office so the next guy who at least is honest and in your face about screwing you over can get into office. So he can go to jail but it sets a precedent for the rest of us. Basically, America is no better than Communist China or Russia. If the Chinese ever took over my first question (I'd fight hard not to have that happen) would be are you going to be as bad as the last people that ran this country into the ground? Kidding aside, the world's elite want total consolidation puppets like Biden and Trump don't mean anything in the greater scheme of things. They're just actors, puppets, etc all for the show to distract us from what groups and individuals really run this world who are the real stakeholders. Title: Re: Trump for prison. Post by: BADecker on January 10, 2023, 09:51:52 PM The question is, why do people focus on Trump's few, tiny illegal things that he MAYBE did They don't. He's definitely done way too many serious illegal things like refuse to hand over highly classified documents after leaving office, inciting a violent insurrection, trying to overthrow the government, or defrauding the government and other Americans for millions of dollars. There's no time for anyone to worry about "tiny illegal things". In my post that you quoted, there is a link to all kinds of mostly good things that Trump did. There are dozens of good things he did listed. Would you please come up with a list that doesn't have only 5 or 6 bad things he did, but rather has dozens of bad things? Biden wasn't even President at the time he stole the classified documents. Classified Documents Found At President Biden's Think Tank (http://www.freedomsphoenix.com/News/338042-2023-01-10-classified-documents-found-at-president-bidens-think-tank.htm) https://www.zerohedge.com/political/classified-documents-found-president-bidens-think-tank The investigation into the roughly 10 documents will be conducted by the US Attorney in Chicago (shocking!), according to the sources. The classified material was identified by personal attorneys for Mr. Biden on Nov. 2, the day before the midterm elections, Richard Sauber, special counsel to the president confirmed. The documents were discovered when Mr. Biden's personal attorneys "were packing files housed in a locked closet to prepare to vacate office space at the Penn Biden Center in Washington, D.C.," Sauber said in a statement to CBS News. The documents were contained in a folder that was in a box with other unclassified papers, the sources said. The sources revealed neither what the classified documents contain nor their level of classification. A source familiar told CBS News the documents did not contain nuclear secrets. -CBS News Remember when the DOJ raided former President Trump and made a huge deal about classified documents having been commingled with not-classified documents? Pepperidge Farm remembers. ... (https://www.zerohedge.com/political/classified-documents-found-president-bidens-think-tank) 8) Title: Re: Trump for prison. Post by: paxmao on January 10, 2023, 11:22:30 PM The question is, why do people focus on Trump's few, tiny illegal things that he MAYBE did They don't. He's definitely done way too many serious illegal things like refuse to hand over highly classified documents after leaving office, inciting a violent insurrection, trying to overthrow the government, or defrauding the government and other Americans for millions of dollars. There's no time for anyone to worry about "tiny illegal things". In my post that you quoted, there is a link to all kinds of mostly good things that Trump did. There are dozens of good things he did listed. Would you please come up with a list that doesn't have only 5 or 6 bad things he did, but rather has dozens of bad things? Biden wasn't even President at the time he stole the classified documents. Classified Documents Found At President Biden's Think Tank (http://www.freedomsphoenix.com/News/338042-2023-01-10-classified-documents-found-at-president-bidens-think-tank.htm) https://www.zerohedge.com/political/classified-documents-found-president-bidens-think-tank The investigation into the roughly 10 documents will be conducted by the US Attorney in Chicago (shocking!), according to the sources. The classified material was identified by personal attorneys for Mr. Biden on Nov. 2, the day before the midterm elections, Richard Sauber, special counsel to the president confirmed. The documents were discovered when Mr. Biden's personal attorneys "were packing files housed in a locked closet to prepare to vacate office space at the Penn Biden Center in Washington, D.C.," Sauber said in a statement to CBS News. The documents were contained in a folder that was in a box with other unclassified papers, the sources said. The sources revealed neither what the classified documents contain nor their level of classification. A source familiar told CBS News the documents did not contain nuclear secrets. -CBS News Remember when the DOJ raided former President Trump and made a huge deal about classified documents having been commingled with not-classified documents? Pepperidge Farm remembers. ... (https://www.zerohedge.com/political/classified-documents-found-president-bidens-think-tank) 8) Same argument, same response. You think Trump did great things, and other did bad thing. Regardless of that being true or not, it does not matter at all. You can save twenty kittens, but you are still not allowed to break the law. The documents he had in his private residencies cannot be there, period. That is the law and it does not matter if you have been " a good boy" (which is not the case anyway). Title: Re: Trump for prison. Post by: BADecker on January 11, 2023, 01:50:50 AM In my post that you quoted, there is a link to all kinds of mostly good things that Trump did. There are dozens of good things he did listed. Would you please come up with a list that doesn't have only 5 or 6 bad things he did, but rather has dozens of bad things? Biden wasn't even President at the time he stole the classified documents. Classified Documents Found At President Biden's Think Tank (http://www.freedomsphoenix.com/News/338042-2023-01-10-classified-documents-found-at-president-bidens-think-tank.htm) https://www.zerohedge.com/political/classified-documents-found-president-bidens-think-tank The investigation into the roughly 10 documents will be conducted by the US Attorney in Chicago (shocking!), according to the sources. The classified material was identified by personal attorneys for Mr. Biden on Nov. 2, the day before the midterm elections, Richard Sauber, special counsel to the president confirmed. The documents were discovered when Mr. Biden's personal attorneys "were packing files housed in a locked closet to prepare to vacate office space at the Penn Biden Center in Washington, D.C.," Sauber said in a statement to CBS News. The documents were contained in a folder that was in a box with other unclassified papers, the sources said. The sources revealed neither what the classified documents contain nor their level of classification. A source familiar told CBS News the documents did not contain nuclear secrets. -CBS News Remember when the DOJ raided former President Trump and made a huge deal about classified documents having been commingled with not-classified documents? Pepperidge Farm remembers. ... (https://www.zerohedge.com/political/classified-documents-found-president-bidens-think-tank) 8) Same argument, same response. You think Trump did great things, and other did bad thing. Regardless of that being true or not, it does not matter at all. You can save twenty kittens, but you are still not allowed to break the law. The documents he had in his private residencies cannot be there, period. That is the law and it does not matter if you have been " a good boy" (which is not the case anyway). I'm glad you feel that way... "Same argument, same response." This thread is about Trump for prison. But now you are saying Biden for prison. It's about time somebody started to realize this. You are great for recognizing it. You want lawbreaking to stop? Start focusing on the far greater lawbreaking that Biden is doing. Let's get them all for the illegal things that they are doing. But if they are judged rightly, Biden would be in prison for life while Trump would only be under house arrest for a couple of days. In other words, Biden wasn't supposed to have the documents that he had. And he wasn't even President at the time. In addition, where is the court adjudication that says that Trump was definitely doing something illegal for having those documents? So far it's all hearsay that Trump was being illegal in this way. Please stop killing off the kittens just to pick on something that might not have even been illegal. 8) Title: Re: Trump for prison. Post by: PouJonah31 on January 11, 2023, 08:31:36 AM Dangerous people being given too much power in our world.
Title: Re: Trump for prison. Post by: BADecker on January 11, 2023, 03:54:23 PM Dangerous people being given too much power in our world. Question: Who gives them their power? 8) Title: Re: Trump for prison. Post by: Hispo on January 12, 2023, 01:19:39 AM So today I read on internet that Mr.Biden could have also mishandled confidential documents from the time he was Vice president (during Obama administration).
So, those document have been out their lawful place for at least seven years. I did not expect such news to appear at all, specially when Mr.Trump is being investigated for having documents himself. I have got the feeling this will continue to fuel the polarization in the United States. Title: Re: Trump for prison. Post by: BADecker on January 12, 2023, 02:17:31 AM So today I read on internet that Mr.Biden could have also mishandled confidential documents from the time he was Vice president (during Obama administration). So, those document have been out their lawful place for at least seven years. I did not expect such news to appear at all, specially when Mr.Trump is being investigated for having documents himself. I have got the feeling this will continue to fuel the polarization in the United States. Two Biden batches found so far. https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11619777/Biden-dodges-questions-classified-files-second-day-row.html https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/second-batch-of-classified-biden-documents-discovered-during-extensive-search/ar-AA16exx5?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=fdc02e86f4f84340b7588cfb56effd06 Time to start searching for more Trump batches and for Obama batches. I bet the Obama shredders are running red hot at over 115% capacity. 8) Title: Re: Trump for prison. Post by: Hispo on January 12, 2023, 03:07:24 AM So today I read on internet that Mr.Biden could have also mishandled confidential documents from the time he was Vice president (during Obama administration). So, those document have been out their lawful place for at least seven years. I did not expect such news to appear at all, specially when Mr.Trump is being investigated for having documents himself. I have got the feeling this will continue to fuel the polarization in the United States. Two Biden batches found so far. https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11619777/Biden-dodges-questions-classified-files-second-day-row.html https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/second-batch-of-classified-biden-documents-discovered-during-extensive-search/ar-AA16exx5?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=fdc02e86f4f84340b7588cfb56effd06 Time to start searching for more Trump batches and for Obama batches. I bet the Obama shredders are running red hot at over 115% capacity. 8) So is this how is supposed to work? Any politician can bring any document they want back home even after their term is over? Why do not people from the National Archaic notice these kind of breaches in their security and try to retrieve those documents as soon as possible? It looks like negligence at this point. Don't they have a registry? This is something I would expect to happen here in my country, where the president does whatever he wants and nobody questions him. Title: Re: Trump for prison. Post by: BADecker on January 12, 2023, 02:59:27 PM So today I read on internet that Mr.Biden could have also mishandled confidential documents from the time he was Vice president (during Obama administration). So, those document have been out their lawful place for at least seven years. I did not expect such news to appear at all, specially when Mr.Trump is being investigated for having documents himself. I have got the feeling this will continue to fuel the polarization in the United States. Two Biden batches found so far. https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11619777/Biden-dodges-questions-classified-files-second-day-row.html https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/second-batch-of-classified-biden-documents-discovered-during-extensive-search/ar-AA16exx5?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=fdc02e86f4f84340b7588cfb56effd06 Time to start searching for more Trump batches and for Obama batches. I bet the Obama shredders are running red hot at over 115% capacity. 8) So is this how is supposed to work? Any politician can bring any document they want back home even after their term is over? Why do not people from the National Archaic notice these kind of breaches in their security and try to retrieve those documents as soon as possible? It looks like negligence at this point. Don't they have a registry? This is something I would expect to happen here in my country, where the president does whatever he wants and nobody questions him. Well, actually, it's the other way completely. There shouldn't be any secret documents. Everything should be visible to any and all of the people who want to know. If it worked this way, governments couldn't do things like Covid warfare against the people, and whatever else they were doing conquer and disrupt freedom. Once the people found the details out, they would legislate the conquering minds out of government. However, the people can be pretty stupid. In America, people pay off their bank loans twice. And when they are shown this by all the banking pamphlets, and all the money websites, they still don't believe it, but keep on paying off their loans twice. 8) Title: Re: Trump for prison. Post by: Hispo on January 13, 2023, 12:42:10 AM -snip- Well, actually, it's the other way completely. There shouldn't be any secret documents. Everything should be visible to any and all of the people who want to know. If it worked this way, governments couldn't do things like Covid warfare against the people, and whatever else they were doing conquer and disrupt freedom. Besides it is almost impossible major governments around the world did this, I see a problem. Let us assume the United States government somehow adopted a policy which actually abolished classified documents and any person of that country could get access to that information, pass, present and future. Do not you think that could put USA in disadvantage facing adversaries which would not have such policy on the handling of their own information? Title: Re: Trump for prison. Post by: BADecker on January 13, 2023, 03:03:38 AM Well, actually, it's the other way completely. There shouldn't be any secret documents. Everything should be visible to any and all of the people who want to know. If it worked this way, governments couldn't do things like Covid warfare against the people, and whatever else they were doing conquer and disrupt freedom. Besides it is almost impossible major governments around the world did this, I see a problem. Let us assume the United States government somehow adopted a policy which actually abolished classified documents and any person of that country could get access to that information, pass, present and future. Do not you think that could put USA in disadvantage facing adversaries which would not have such policy on the handling of their own information? And again, where did Russia get their strength from to accomplish the Bolshevik Revolution back in 1917 or whenever? Those Russians didn't have anything other than weak arms and ammo. they didn't have the automobile... or trucks or tractors. The US government gave it all to them, and even financed them back then. Nowadays we have corporations and holders of the secrets selling it all off to the highest bidder. Seems that we Americans are the only people who don't know where it is going or what it is doing when it gets there. 8) Title: Re: Trump for prison. Post by: TwitchySeal on January 13, 2023, 03:57:03 AM Well, actually, it's the other way completely. There shouldn't be any secret documents. Everything should be visible to any and all of the people who want to know. If it worked this way, governments couldn't do things like Covid warfare against the people, and whatever else they were doing conquer and disrupt freedom. Besides it is almost impossible major governments around the world did this, I see a problem. Let us assume the United States government somehow adopted a policy which actually abolished classified documents and any person of that country could get access to that information, pass, present and future. Do not you think that could put USA in disadvantage facing adversaries which would not have such policy on the handling of their own information? And again, where did Russia get their strength from to accomplish the Bolshevik Revolution back in 1917 or whenever? Those Russians didn't have anything other than weak arms and ammo. they didn't have the automobile... or trucks or tractors. The US government gave it all to them, and even financed them back then. Nowadays we have corporations and holders of the secrets selling it all off to the highest bidder. Seems that we Americans are the only people who don't know where it is going or what it is doing when it gets there. 8) Wait. So are you arguing that the US government should make public things like: - Locations of all weapons and details like how they are built, what they're capable of. Also what kind of weapons are in development and their status. - Military discussions and intelligence. - Weaknesses in National Defense. - Names and details of all spies including double agents and information that they've gathered on other countries. Title: Re: Trump for prison. Post by: BADecker on January 13, 2023, 02:20:16 PM And again, where did Russia get their strength from to accomplish the Bolshevik Revolution back in 1917 or whenever? Those Russians didn't have anything other than weak arms and ammo. they didn't have the automobile... or trucks or tractors. The US government gave it all to them, and even financed them back then. Nowadays we have corporations and holders of the secrets selling it all off to the highest bidder. Seems that we Americans are the only people who don't know where it is going or what it is doing when it gets there. 8) Wait. So are you arguing that the US government should make public things like: - Locations of all weapons and details like how they are built, what they're capable of. Also what kind of weapons are in development and their status. - Military discussions and intelligence. - Weaknesses in National Defense. - Names and details of all spies including double agents and information that they've gathered on other countries. Good ideas. Why? The US wasn't supposed to be dabbling in foreign affairs in the first place. The Constitution is structured in this way. Check out the writings of the founding fathers in the Federalist Papers and the Anti-Federalist Papers. These writings show us what the founding fathers meant by what they wrote in the Constitution. Get the US out of foreign affairs, and get rid of the central bank that the Federal Reserve Bank has become... as the founding fathers meant it to be. If the US doesn't follow what the constitution is really all about, the US is against Americans as well as just about anybody else. The points you listed would bring us back to the Constitution to a great extent. What about protection from other countries, or whomever? We'd have to be quick on our toes regarding implementing anything that we found out and used. Stuff doesn't simply jump into the usage in foreign nations simply because they found that we had it. The result would be our advancement much faster, just to remain top-dog. This would also mean the collapse of the wicked banking system that steals our money for use in making trouble around the world. You know what I mean. 8) Title: Re: Trump for prison. Post by: OgNasty on January 13, 2023, 07:00:16 PM For the people who wanted Trump to go to prison over the classified documents scandal... Do you have that same energy for Biden? Especially after it has come out that what Biden did was much worse? Are liberals denying this now? Do they feel a newfound sympathy for Trump. Do they think Trump and Biden both belong in prison now? Is there some hairbrained excuse for why Biden mishandling classified documents and keeping them in a garage is somehow better than Trump keeping them in a location secured by the secret service? I'm genuinely curious how the media is going to sweep this under the rug. Is Trump no longer going to be investigated as to not set a precedent that will surely land Biden in a worse position?
Title: Re: Trump for prison. Post by: TwitchySeal on January 13, 2023, 07:24:40 PM For the people who wanted Trump to go to prison over the classified documents scandal... Do you have that same energy for Biden? Especially after it has come out that what Biden did was much worse? Are liberals denying this now? Do they feel a newfound sympathy for Trump. Do they think Trump and Biden both belong in prison now? Is there some hairbrained excuse for why Biden mishandling classified documents and keeping them in a garage is somehow better than Trump keeping them in a location secured by the secret service? I'm genuinely curious how the media is going to sweep this under the rug. Is Trump no longer going to be investigated as to not set a precedent that will surely land Biden in a worse position? Are you living under a rock and unaware that the main issue in Trumps case is obstruction, lying to the FBI and refusing to return the documents? Do you think Trump would be in the situation he's in now if he would have given back all the documents when asked instead of refusing, then giving some back and lying about the rest, then after being caught red handed claiming they "BELONG TO ME". He tried to sue the DOJ and exert executive privilege to keep the DOJ (which is part of the executive branch) from reading classified documents that he doesn't even have the clearance to look at ffs. Biden should be ashamed and deserves the political damage but unless there's much more to this story that we don't know about, which is entirely possible, Trumps situation is on an entirely different level. I mean, just imagine if Biden refused to return them. Then he was subpoenaed and returned some of them and had his lawyer swear there were no more.....and then the FBI found out there was more and got a search warrant to get them....and the whole time Biden tried to play the victim card and cried non stop about how unfair it was.....that's what Trump did. Title: Re: Trump for prison. Post by: BADecker on January 13, 2023, 08:53:27 PM For the people who wanted Trump to go to prison over the classified documents scandal... Do you have that same energy for Biden? Especially after it has come out that what Biden did was much worse? Are liberals denying this now? Do they feel a newfound sympathy for Trump. Do they think Trump and Biden both belong in prison now? Is there some hairbrained excuse for why Biden mishandling classified documents and keeping them in a garage is somehow better than Trump keeping them in a location secured by the secret service? I'm genuinely curious how the media is going to sweep this under the rug. Is Trump no longer going to be investigated as to not set a precedent that will surely land Biden in a worse position? Are you living under a rock and unaware that the main issue in Trumps case is obstruction, lying to the FBI and refusing to return the documents? Do you think Trump would be in the situation he's in now if he would have given back all the documents when asked instead of refusing, then giving some back and lying about the rest, then after being caught red handed claiming they "BELONG TO ME". He tried to sue the DOJ and exert executive privilege to keep the DOJ (which is part of the executive branch) from reading classified documents that he doesn't even have the clearance to look at ffs. Biden should be ashamed and deserves the political damage but unless there's much more to this story that we don't know about, which is entirely possible, Trumps situation is on an entirely different level. I mean, just imagine if Biden refused to return them. Then he was subpoenaed and returned some of them and had his lawyer swear there were no more.....and then the FBI found out there was more and got a search warrant to get them....and the whole time Biden tried to play the victim card and cried non stop about how unfair it was.....that's what Trump did. Trump told the FBI that all they had to do was ask for the documents, and that he would release them to them. They never asked, but did a raid instead. As far as Biden goes, the docs are simply the cherry in the criminality he is doing... as borne out by Hunter's laptop, and now by twitter regarding interference with the 2020 election. Biden under congressional investigation for ch*led trafficking - http://www.freedomsphoenix.com/Uploads/687/video/BIDEN_CHILD_TRAFFICK.MP4. Note that this video is hosted on IPFS, which means that it can't be taken down without taking down most of the Internet at the same time. 8) Title: Re: Trump for prison. Post by: Hispo on January 14, 2023, 01:49:32 AM For the people who wanted Trump to go to prison over the classified documents scandal... Do you have that same energy for Biden? Especially after it has come out that what Biden did was much worse? Are liberals denying this now? Do they feel a newfound sympathy for Trump. Do they think Trump and Biden both belong in prison now? Is there some hairbrained excuse for why Biden mishandling classified documents and keeping them in a garage is somehow better than Trump keeping them in a location secured by the secret service? I'm genuinely curious how the media is going to sweep this under the rug. Is Trump no longer going to be investigated as to not set a precedent that will surely land Biden in a worse position? Keeping track of the news lately on this matter. On one hand, Fox is obviously criticizing the mishandling of those documents and pointing out the alleged hypocrisy by the political left in the United States. On the other hand, the left leaning media channels are doing two things: highlighting the alleged differences which makes Biden's case less serious than Trump's and also reporting the fact Biden's case also has been appointed to a special council leaded by a Republican prosecutor. Also, Trump is accusing prosecutor Jack Smith of being a radical leftist/Democrat, on Thruth social. Title: Re: Trump for prison. Post by: BADecker on January 16, 2023, 04:21:50 PM Here is some more reason why to get rid of the classified documents idea.
Controlling Forces Determined To Rule America, Part 1 (http://www.freedomsphoenix.com/News/338272-2023-01-15-controlling-forces-determined-to-rule-america-part-1.htm) https://newswithviews.com/controlling-forces-determined-to-rule-america-part-1/ I began to see evidence of that in the late 60s with the mindset of my generation. I realized immediately that if they get their way they wouldn't be able to protest the way they were. I couldn't convince any of them of that simple logic. What I didn't see at the time is it was the Democrat Party that was the big influence. JFK was still fresh in everybody's mind as well as RFK and MLK. I am reminded of a speech that JFK gave just days before he was assassinated in 1963. I had been hearing about this speech for decades without really listening to it. I had an understanding of it but I never really thought that our government would allow something like that to happen. Then I became a Republican and as Ronald Reagan said, my eyes were opened. Here is the speech by JFK just days before he died: "The very word secrecy is repugnant in a free and open society. And we are as a people inherently and historically opposed to secret societies, to secret oaths, and to secret proceedings. But we are opposed around the world by a monolithic and ruthless conspiracy that relies primarily on covet means for expanding its sphere of influence. On infiltration instead of invasion. On subversion instead of election. On intimidation instead of free choice. It is a system that has conscripted vast human and material resources, in the building of a tightly knit, highly efficient machine that combines military, diplomatic, intelligence, economic, scientific, and political operations. Its preparations are sealed not published. Its mistakes are buried not headlined. Its dissenters are silenced not praised. No expenditure is questioned no secret is revealed. That is why the Athenian lawmaker, Solon, decreed it a crime for any citizen to shrink from controversy. I am asking your help in the tremendous task of informing and alerting the American people. I am confident with your help man will be what he was born to be free and independent."[1] ... (https://newswithviews.com/controlling-forces-determined-to-rule-america-part-1/) 8) |
