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Title: Long-time sig campaign farm ID'd via single wallet transaction
Post by: nutildah on February 01, 2021, 12:50:47 AM
A week or two ago I noticed the account illyiller (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=136482) had woken up as I was browsing the seclog looking for info about a scammer (unrelated to this story). That user name struck a bell, so I pulled up their account and decided maybe they were trying to get back into sig campaigning.

Out of curiosity, I looked into what campaigns they worked for. The blockchain suggests this person had made quite a bit of money sig campaigning in the past, way too much for the campaign I could associate them with.

Taking a closer inspection of a master address (https://www.blockchain.com/btc/address/1Bp5t2AzEGkNSsFsAgCNn9zMy9QGsxB6Pu), to which feeder addresses sent BTC from several other addresses associated with sig campaigners, I managed to identify a ring of 9 alt accounts, all belonging to the same owner and all enrolled in sig campaigns at one time or another.

The kicker is that 3 of them have been in the same campaign together for over 3 years.

All of the addresses in this wallet (https://www.walletexplorer.com/wallet/1350683782efc0fb/addresses) are what I refer to as feeder addresses. There is 1 feeder address per sig campaigner, and it acts as a buffer between the sig campaigner address and the master address.

Here is the transaction between the feeder address wallet and the master address:

https://www.blockchain.com/btc/tx/2f068dddc4c24b8771bc0d46671e38d80b834198d9e99a7329d2d2a946c3fc19

So each pair of addresses (one sig campaign address, with outputs sent to a feeder address) corresponds to one account, which means all of these accounts partook in this transaction. Linked to each account name is the proof that account used that address:

AddressAccountwallet typeother
17k4EVPznuTQ7q7CujbFFvTqx97ff6CZZNfeedertransaction ID (https://www.blockchain.com/btc/tx/2f068dddc4c24b8771bc0d46671e38d80b834198d9e99a7329d2d2a946c3fc19)
122h7dmX8vcdNnWjfbz1eevD8tfcJasBWVfigmentofmyass (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1935179.msg22423575#msg22423575)campaignpart of ChipMixer campaign
1E5DeqedMWWLWCWXaV7xjU9KYjRb5TqaaGfeeder
1J4zoPgnaDDmnjhUxLf7Gh1z4EWq8bvrtBillyiller (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2277672.msg23304869#msg23304869)campaignwoke up 1/19/2021
1DZeFJs5og8iqc6axKuUcemvqKDswWd6epfeeder
18QwLB8KEWnHjX8dvWUXCDK4HaWDaPp82sillinest (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2298539.msg23380484#msg23380484)campaigninactive
1BxSjuLa5GAtMdeiyiQ6P1yBKp2mKnMmf4feeder
1ugj76pwcXq2YmPVwxRccZmWrQmEsb2zpsquatter (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1689841.msg20968995#msg20968995)campaignpart of ChipMixer campaign
1uAk6hDwoUuwBcRFJpxfeoXEJBUymRQVNfeeder
1GPLgkkLF3taAVhhGhVy7CfiX8DFkf4mZBmarky89 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2480363.msg25416570#msg25416570)campaigninactive
1Mp7gexEEbxzZKS5QUpv2FHwbXJpFWEDemfeeder
19wxJJobJ77deczvzoCpLGXDqb7FjcELCiexstasie (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1935179.msg24081439#msg24081439)campaignpart of ChipMixer campaign
1DYV1CUk9Vhk5wL8JZh1TL2Yoov9LbjpRYfeeder
1Np6kG52WjLQ9jaKbkMiUqfqruLyXS1JADMAbtc (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2144594.msg21481775#msg21481775)campaigninactive, 2012 registered
13z87VUi1fZhgpydei9KvxQVJ6NFDUNNuUfeeder
1GCcAoaMzA39jQai8asaB7dUTHuaDPnH7Lromani245 (https://deeponion.org/community/threads/airdrop-what-is-low-quality-post.685/page-6#post-38795)campaigninactive
16JXYv4H1BpyseA66c4bqUDT7fWQvYRrPufeeder
18jgXSJN7jyhPfvjeX52vRmBMeBpxQpJVWmanchester93 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2075036.msg20884693#msg20884693)campaigninactive
All go to
1Bp5t2AzEGkNSsFsAgCNn9zMy9QGsxB6Pu

It would appear all these account belong to the same person, seeing as how the addresses listed here have only ever been involved in signature campaign activity. For easy reference here are links to the accounts themselves (bolded are still active):

figmentofmyass (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=136484)
illyiller (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=136482)
illinest (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=359850)
squatter (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=162680)
marky89 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=162737)
exstasie (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=154539)
MAbtc (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=73000)
romani245 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=359845)
manchester93 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=359843)

Since the chances of all of these accounts pooling months worth of sig campaign funds together for any purpose whatsoever seems extraordinarily slim, it is safe to say that these are indeed alt accounts and one of the more clever and prosperous account farms to ever exist on the forum.

I'm of course open to other interpretations and am interested to hear what they might be before leaving a neutral* on all of the accounts.

Let's try to keep it civil, thanks.


*edit: in light of recent revelations I've decided to leave red tags instead of neutrals for this user; read further for more info.


Title: Re: Long-time sig campaign farm ID'd via single wallet transaction
Post by: AB de Royse777 on February 01, 2021, 01:05:03 AM
AddressAccountDateactionother
17k4EVPznuTQ7q7CujbFFvTqx97ff6CZZN9/15/2017part of wallettransaction ID (https://www.blockchain.com/btc/tx/2f068dddc4c24b8771bc0d46671e38d80b834198d9e99a7329d2d2a946c3fc19)
122h7dmX8vcdNnWjfbz1eevD8tfcJasBWVfigmentofmyass (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1935179.msg22423575#msg22423575)sent topart of ChipMixer campaign

I am trying to understand the connection. Sorry I am very poor in it :-P

How do you get these two addresses connected to find that the address 17k4EVPznuTQ7q7CujbFFvTqx97ff6CZZN is connected with the user figmentofmyass? I am using it as an example to understand your table format?


Title: Re: Long-time sig campaign farm ID'd via single wallet transaction
Post by: suchmoon on February 01, 2021, 01:18:16 AM
I am trying to understand the connection. Sorry I am very poor in it :-P

How do you get these two addresses connected to find that the address 17k4EVPznuTQ7q7CujbFFvTqx97ff6CZZN is connected with the user figmentofmyass? I am using it as an example to understand your table format?

https://www.blockchain.com/btc/tx/9755344cee7c84ba37412e87dacdd037e2163e40bf0017fde35357ab0096cd89

figmentofmyass is sweeping coins from the 122h address into the 17k4 address, which is connected to all the other addresses in the table. Basically each pair of addresses for each user is linked that way.

Another interesting thing is the timing. Most of these sweeps happen around the same time, some in the same block, which seems to be too much of a coincidence for them to be unrelated. For example:

https://www.blockchain.com/btc/address/17k4EVPznuTQ7q7CujbFFvTqx97ff6CZZN
https://www.blockchain.com/btc/address/1Mp7gexEEbxzZKS5QUpv2FHwbXJpFWEDem
https://www.blockchain.com/btc/address/1BxSjuLa5GAtMdeiyiQ6P1yBKp2mKnMmf4

all have a set of incoming transactions at 2017-10-04 07:15 and another set within half hour on 2017-09-16.


Title: Re: Long-time sig campaign farm ID'd via single wallet transaction
Post by: nutildah on February 01, 2021, 01:20:04 AM
AddressAccountDateactionother
17k4EVPznuTQ7q7CujbFFvTqx97ff6CZZN9/15/2017part of wallettransaction ID (https://www.blockchain.com/btc/tx/2f068dddc4c24b8771bc0d46671e38d80b834198d9e99a7329d2d2a946c3fc19)
122h7dmX8vcdNnWjfbz1eevD8tfcJasBWVfigmentofmyass (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1935179.msg22423575#msg22423575)sent topart of ChipMixer campaign

I am trying to understand the connection. Sorry I am very poor in it :-P

How do you get these two addresses connected to find that the address 17k4EVPznuTQ7q7CujbFFvTqx97ff6CZZN is connected with the user figmentofmyass? I am using it as an example to understand your table format?

The address next to the account name is the address they used to enroll in a sig campaign.

The address above it received coins from the sig campaign address and sent coins to an address which also received coins from the 8 other sig campaign addresses. That's the simplest way I can explain it. If you take a look at this transaction, and then examine the inputs of all the addresses which funded the transaction, you'll see they all came from sig campaign payments:

https://www.blockchain.com/btc/tx/2f068dddc4c24b8771bc0d46671e38d80b834198d9e99a7329d2d2a946c3fc19

The table formatting didn't come out as well as in the preview, unfortunately.


Title: Re: Long-time sig campaign farm ID'd via single wallet transaction
Post by: Quickseller on February 01, 2021, 03:49:11 AM
It seems that timeloard believes one of the accounts is a farmed account connected to a different farm. IDK if the accounts are still “connected” to the same person as the connection is from several years ago. My guess is that all the accounts in the OP were likely available for sale at one point, if not actually sold.


Title: Re: Long-time sig campaign farm ID'd via single wallet transaction
Post by: nutildah on February 01, 2021, 05:49:29 AM
I can't find any evidence that the 3 active accounts have been traded since that particular transaction. From 2015-2017, they tended to post in the same subjects and have similar gaps in posting.

After the date of the transaction, their style continues to share some similarities although he does a good job of sticking to all lowercase for figmentofmyass. Also, little things like this (I have many examples) make me think they're still all owned by the same person. The only 2 search results on the forum for the phrase, "some from Column A and some from Column B":

Probably some from Column A and some from Column B.

I think it'll be some from Column A and some from Column B.

Here's the 3 results for "strong monetary properties":

https://i.imgur.com/8O0DQWk.png

Another good example is this one. This guy said, "as they say", so I wondered who does he mean by "they" because I've never heard the expression said that way before. It turns out it was himself.

as they say, the trend is your friend, until it ends.

The trend is your friend until it ends. :)

Again, those are the only 2 results for that phrase on Bitcointalk.

If that isn't satisfying enough, the cherry on the top is the merit transfers among the accounts. The merit system wasn't introduced until January 2018, which is after the transaction linking them together occurred.

To/From merit transfers (just some examples, not all of them)
1/26/2018 10:18:54 PM   manchester93 (Summary)   MAbtc (Summary)   1
2/8/2018 3:00:00 AM       manchester93 (Summary)   exstasie (Summary)   2

2/11/2018 9:00:25 AM   romani245 (Summary)   squatter (Summary)   1   
2/11/2018 9:06:56 AM   romani245 (Summary)   exstasie (Summary)   1
2/11/2018 9:22:06 AM   romani245 (Summary)   figmentofmyass (Summary)   1

2/11/2018 9:54:39 AM   manchester93 (Summary)   romani245 (Summary)   2
2/11/2018 9:59:48 AM   manchester93 (Summary)   squatter (Summary)   2
8/27/2018 1:40:32 AM   manchester93 (Summary)   illyiller (Summary)   1

5/22/2019 6:48:46 AM   illinest (Summary)   illyiller (Summary)   2   

10/18/2019 3:55:01 AM   figmentofmyass (Summary)   marky89 (Summary)   1

10/26/2019 4:10:37 AM   marky89 (Summary)   exstasie (Summary)   3

1/13/2020 9:01:42 AM   illinest (Summary)   figmentofmyass (Summary)   1

1/14/2020 7:16:25 PM   MAbtc (Summary)   exstasie (Summary)   3
1/14/2020 7:46:39 PM   MAbtc (Summary)   exstasie (Summary)   10   

2/8/2020 4:36:37 AM   squatter (Summary)   figmentofmyass (Summary)   1

3/30/2020 11:37:40 PM   exstasie (Summary)   figmentofmyass (Summary)   1

Given the fact they were exchanging merits as recently as 3/30/2020, I would say its likely they are all still owned by the same person, especially as there's no reason to suspect any of the accounts have changed hands.

Also, exstasie is in DT2 right now and figmentofmyass is on DT1 with -3 inclusions.


Title: Re: Long-time sig campaign farm ID'd via single wallet transaction
Post by: Kittygalore on February 01, 2021, 08:00:09 AM
This is a big bust of an account, @figmentofmyass and @exstasie is a prominent users in this forum and they are even holding a DT position that puts flags on users who does unsavory things, this isn't the biggest account farm that I have seen being busted but this is definitely an elaborate one involving a lot of addresses to trickle down to a single one is a pretty crazy. It is kind of pretty ironic that they project their self as righteous users to other people, I do not want to pass on a judgment as I am just an onlooker at this soon to be whirlpool of chaos, the accused hasn't explained their side yet so there might be a lot to uncover, with this evidence piled up against the accused, I would be betting that this is a real account farm.


Title: Re: Long-time sig campaign farm ID'd via single wallet transaction
Post by: btcltcdigger on February 01, 2021, 08:22:55 AM
Oh damn, looks like you caught a marlin this time.
3 freaking CM accounts, man. That's gonna sting and hurt him at the same time.


Title: Re: Long-time sig campaign farm ID'd via single wallet transaction
Post by: dkbit98 on February 01, 2021, 10:18:32 AM
...

It is always nice to show some visual graph style connection with all posted addresses and merit abuse is just a nice cherry on top.
Interesting thing is that some of this accounts have been tagged as farmers since 2017 but they are still in same campaign... what's up with that  :D

More examination will probably reveal other addresses connected with 1BRevo address shown on the left side.

Code:
1BRevoHgfXeoqR5WhgxG754NukPdssxxBK
1HYS3m1YbdFHC27ZSzR1SD1s6oAYjYe1rh
12Jtg2ARpNEA1Q9HdfMpuk9PZgj4KMEScD
1QF6GW9tNx7MFXkD2eAr7FsN9oXhnHYHvp
1KjHbeCHrc3hs7rxD5Zw6koDMLDFFxuWDs
1Pfrk4NL6FycDnxph4KrcZib7w7E8YRJLN

https://i.imgur.com/6Ndrm74.png
https://blockpath.com/


Title: Re: Long-time sig campaign farm ID'd via single wallet transaction
Post by: nutildah on February 01, 2021, 10:54:19 AM
https://blockpath.com/

Thanks for this, that's a good tool I'll probably use in the future.

What's sad is this guy has been entering his alts together in contests for a long time, too... Not very cool.

He entered all 9 accounts in a giveaway held by El Duderino:


edit: list of everyone

...
3764    manchester93 :(
...
4248    illyiller :(
...
4590    figmentofmyass :(
...
5090    squatter :(
...
5240    romani245 :(
...
5340    exstasie :(
...
5560    MAbtc :(
...
5650    illinest :(
...
6000    marky89 :(

Even worse is figmentofmyass has been helping to organize online poker tournaments for Bitcointalk users. I took a look and sure enough, he plays in tournaments with himself:

running list of SwC poker handles:

Code:
figmentofmyass = FOMA777
rhomelmabini = K1R1T0
Betwrong = Betwrong
Steamtyme = Steamtyme
CoinEraser = CoinEraser
manchester93 = NEpats93
Improved = Obaming
Murat = hardtime

This just crossed into scumbag territory.

Which is too bad because he's quite an intelligent guy. Hope he didn't think he'd get away with it forever.


Title: Re: Long-time sig campaign farm ID'd via single wallet transaction
Post by: dkbit98 on February 01, 2021, 11:00:58 AM
Which is too bad because he's quite an intelligent guy.

He has to be intelligent for writing so much posts everyday in same campaign with 3 accounts and from bitcoin he earned this is probably his full time job, and playing poker with himself figmentofmyass vs manchester93 it's a winwin situation for him until he lose it all :D


Title: Re: Long-time sig campaign farm ID'd via single wallet transaction
Post by: tyKiwanuka on February 01, 2021, 11:18:09 AM
(...), and playing poker with himself figmentofmyass vs manchester93 it's a winwin situation for him until he lose it all :D

I did the spreadsheet (https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1gsSA0_hoEbK6ezfzdW-BdIGxzc-hfiO0H-AvRyNTA0s/edit#gid=2014617640) for the SwC poker series and tbf he never joined with the NEpats93 account there. And it was organized by efialtis, while the currently running Poker Series at Betnomi, where he plays/played as well, is organized by Yahoo.

Just for clarification, not for defending or judging :)


Title: Re: Long-time sig campaign farm ID'd via single wallet transaction
Post by: TheBeardedBaby on February 01, 2021, 11:25:06 AM
Someone merit the OP from me please, he deserves a special place in the ChipMixer campaign, I hope DarkStar_ will consider this finding and really make you part of it, you deserve it more than most of the other applicants.
Keep busting those scammers man!!

No surprise that your username were one of the most searchable words lately (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5307119.0).

EDIT: Thank you, Now I can merit him too :)

ANOTHER EDIT and offtopic: You people are insane, Thanks for the merit injection to Suchmoon and  cabalism13 but that's way tooo much.


Title: Re: Long-time sig campaign farm ID'd via single wallet transaction
Post by: LoyceV on February 01, 2021, 11:33:23 AM
I'd like to verify the evidence on ChipMixer campaign participants:

figmentofmyass (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=136484)
122h7dmX8vcdNnWjfbz1eevD8tfcJasBWV
This address sends to (https://www.blockchain.com/btc/tx/9755344cee7c84ba37412e87dacdd037e2163e40bf0017fde35357ab0096cd89) 17k4EVPznuTQ7q7CujbFFvTqx97ff6CZZN which sends to (https://www.blockchain.com/btc/tx/2f068dddc4c24b8771bc0d46671e38d80b834198d9e99a7329d2d2a946c3fc19) 1Bp5t2AzEGkNSsFsAgCNn9zMy9QGsxB6Pu.

squatter (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=162680)
No direct post available, and I don't (https://loyce.club/archive/oldposts/207/207009xx.html#msg20700965) have it in my own archives either. Address 1ugj76pwcXq2YmPVwxRccZmWrQmEsb2zp is quoted by (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1689841.msg20968995#msg20968995) user notaek (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=76847), in a post last edited February 09, 2018.
This address sends to (https://www.blockchain.com/btc/tx/e1c298a7ba4ced4410ff74e7dbaa0fe82f3b4a06f174dbb2fe76141134ee730f) 1BxSjuLa5GAtMdeiyiQ6P1yBKp2mKnMmf4 which sends to (https://www.blockchain.com/btc/tx/2f068dddc4c24b8771bc0d46671e38d80b834198d9e99a7329d2d2a946c3fc19) 1Bp5t2AzEGkNSsFsAgCNn9zMy9QGsxB6Pu.

exstasie (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=154539)
No direct post available, but address 19wxJJobJ77deczvzoCpLGXDqb7FjcELCi is quoted by (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1935179.msg24081439#msg24081439) DarkStar_ (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=507936) so I have no doubt there.
This address sends to (https://www.blockchain.com/btc/tx/a6212e85bf3a6541dfeb951379c70edbd0bda697a17b00740cae07f2a5b409b7) 1Mp7gexEEbxzZKS5QUpv2FHwbXJpFWEDem which sends to (https://www.blockchain.com/btc/tx/2f068dddc4c24b8771bc0d46671e38d80b834198d9e99a7329d2d2a946c3fc19) 1Bp5t2AzEGkNSsFsAgCNn9zMy9QGsxB6Pu.

Just checking these connections was a lot of work already. I'm impressed you found all this! Advertising a mixer and getting caught on blockchain evidence is quite ironic.


Title: Re: Long-time sig campaign farm ID'd via single wallet transaction
Post by: cabalism13 on February 01, 2021, 12:50:04 PM
Pretty interesting, didn't  know this will happen to Chipmixer as well... It seems DS will need to see this.

...
I almost forgot who you are and thought you were a Source LoL.


Title: Re: Long-time sig campaign farm ID'd via single wallet transaction
Post by: Dave1 on February 01, 2021, 12:53:43 PM
figmentofmyass joined Chipmixer campaign Week 20

exstasie - Week 25

Squatter - Week 31

Current week is 194

So this 3 accounts have been milking Chipmixer for more than 3 years.



Title: Re: Long-time sig campaign farm ID'd via single wallet transaction
Post by: cabalism13 on February 01, 2021, 12:58:51 PM
figmentofmyass joined Chipmixer campaign Week 20
exstasie - Week 25
Squatter - Week 31
Current week is 194
So this 3 accounts have been milking Chipmixer for more than 3 years.
He should be a millionaire now, even if he leaves the campaign I think that would be alright, just think of it on how much he gathered. Especially if those accounts  were able to comple 50 posts a week LoL and not to mention (if, maybe) he's on a country  were BTC holds a Big Value of Money


Title: Re: Long-time sig campaign farm ID'd via single wallet transaction
Post by: lovesmayfamilis on February 01, 2021, 01:16:13 PM
It will be very interesting to hear what these 3 accounts have to say or one for all. Will there be excuses and stories about friends and family?
Any lie always pops up, and although three years have passed, these accounts have been exposed.
I applaud Nutildah, your investigations always explode with a lot of emotions. But I also "admire" this cheater, who for three years held a role in three or more faces.
Perhaps the manager will draw the right conclusions, and it will be fair if Nutildah can take an honest place in the ChipMixer subscription.


Title: Re: Long-time sig campaign farm ID'd via single wallet transaction
Post by: AB de Royse777 on February 01, 2021, 05:18:24 PM
It was puzzling to me when I looked at the addresses, even after he was putting all these I was still confused to connect the reference and had to ask a question LOL
I have already done my merit rain so you got your share :-P

No surprise that your username were one of the most searchable words lately (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5307119.0).
The username reminds me Nutella. Do the search engine consider that?


Title: Re: Long-time sig campaign farm ID'd via single wallet transaction
Post by: yahoo62278 on February 01, 2021, 06:37:20 PM
(...), and playing poker with himself figmentofmyass vs manchester93 it's a winwin situation for him until he lose it all :D

I did the spreadsheet (https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1gsSA0_hoEbK6ezfzdW-BdIGxzc-hfiO0H-AvRyNTA0s/edit#gid=2014617640) for the SwC poker series and tbf he never joined with the NEpats93 account there. And it was organized by efialtis, while the currently running Poker Series at Betnomi, where he plays/played as well, is organized by Yahoo.

Just for clarification, not for defending or judging :)
As far as I know, figmentofmyass has not been multi accounting the poker tourney. He has barely played any of the games.

How the heck do users even post with that many accounts? They have to be posting in the same threads and answering each other. I barely post on my 1 account, couldn't imagine the hell it would be to try making quotas weekly on 10+ accounts.


Title: Re: Long-time sig campaign farm ID'd via single wallet transaction
Post by: DaveF on February 01, 2021, 06:48:08 PM
How the heck do users even post with that many accounts? They have to be posting in the same threads and answering each other. I barely post on my 1 account, couldn't imagine the hell it would be to try making quotas weekly on 10+ accounts.

Think of it as a full time job.
40 hours a week +/- a bit.
3 posts and hour = 120 posts a week.
If you are in 4 campaigns that all need 20 to 25 posts a week you have a nice buffer.
Then add in 1 or 2 shit post accounts that you are slowly building up and you're done.

There are times that the 20 posts a week that the sig I am wearing wants are tough. But I have a full time job and such. If I just spent the same 8 hours a day here I could probably do 100+ posts without much work. Would be bored out of my mind, but I could do it.

-Dave


Title: Re: Long-time sig campaign farm ID'd via single wallet transaction
Post by: suchmoon on February 01, 2021, 07:59:07 PM
How the heck do users even post with that many accounts? They have to be posting in the same threads and answering each other. I barely post on my 1 account, couldn't imagine the hell it would be to try making quotas weekly on 10+ accounts.

Well, recently he only had the 3 active ones in Chipmixer campaign and I think only 2 of those would approach the full 50-post quota so as DaveF pointed out doing 100-120 posts per week is possible, perhaps even at a reasonable level of quality. I haven't seen them talking to each other and I'm too busy to check now but I wouldn't be surprised if he had a plan as to which account was used on which boards/threads. OTOH, reviving one of the other accounts is what triggered the exposé so you could say excessive greed killed the farm.

Edit: grammar.


Title: Re: Long-time sig campaign farm ID'd via single wallet transaction
Post by: TheBeardedBaby on February 01, 2021, 08:04:05 PM
I don't know about you guys but I'm adding all of these accounts to my distrust list. One of them is in my DT2 network. Those kind of people have no place near DT at all.

Code:
~figmentofmyass
~illyiller
~illinest
~squatter
~marky89
~exstasie
~MAbtc
~romani245
~manchester93


Title: Re: Long-time sig campaign farm ID'd via single wallet transaction
Post by: Swordsoffreedom on February 01, 2021, 08:44:32 PM
Special thanks to @nutildah, for bursting such a piece of sensational information. He has been working on the Chip Mixer campaign for about 174 weeks.
It is very sad and matter of shame that the familiar faces of the forum, the old members are getting lost one by one, some are going to be responsible for cheating and some are leaving the forum on their own. If we all used the forum in a clean way, we would not have to face such unpleasant incidents.


Title: Re: Long-time sig campaign farm ID'd via single wallet transaction
Post by: nutildah on February 01, 2021, 08:49:10 PM
your investigations always explode with a lot of emotions.

it would indeed appear that way.

Perhaps the manager will draw the right conclusions, and it will be fair if Nutildah can take an honest place in the ChipMixer subscription.

I'm not going to apply, it wouldn't be right. I'm comfortable enough where I am without having to pressure myself to pass muster for the CM campaign. But thanks for your recommendation, I appreciate it.


Title: Re: Long-time sig campaign farm ID'd via single wallet transaction
Post by: cygan on February 01, 2021, 08:58:20 PM
has there been a statement or at least a reaction or apology from figmentofmyass? ::)
i think that he should at least take a stand before he is banned from the forum (if it has not already happened)


Title: Re: Long-time sig campaign farm ID'd via single wallet transaction
Post by: Rikafip on February 01, 2021, 09:03:32 PM
i think that he should at least take a stand before he is banned from the forum (if it has not already happened)
Having multiple accounts in the same campaign is not a banable offense. Those accounts will get tagged and excluded from trust lists and that's about it.


Title: Re: Long-time sig campaign farm ID'd via single wallet transaction
Post by: LoyceMobile on February 01, 2021, 09:04:52 PM
has there been a statement or at least a reaction or apology from figmentofmyass? ::)
i think that he should at least take a stand before he is banned from the forum (if it has not already happened)
The only reason for a ban would be ban evading, if one of his alts is banned already. I don't think that's the case.


Title: Re: Long-time sig campaign farm ID'd via single wallet transaction
Post by: khaled0111 on February 01, 2021, 09:06:00 PM
before he is banned from the forum (if it has not already happened)
he didn't break any of the forum's rule. he is not going to be banned.
(according to what have been presented in op)

edit:
Well, according to dkbit and yoshi, one of foma's alts (HarHarHar9965 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=131686)) has been banned. Therefore all other accounts should be banned too.
According to bpip (https://bpip.org/Profile?p=figmentofmyass), the foma account hasn't been banned yet. So either no one has reported it to mods or they don't think the evidences are compelling enough.


Title: Re: Long-time sig campaign farm ID'd via single wallet transaction
Post by: cygan on February 01, 2021, 09:07:40 PM
i think that he should at least take a stand before he is banned from the forum (if it has not already happened)
Having multiple accounts in the same campaign is not a banable offense. Those accounts will get tagged and excluded from trust lists and that's about it.

has there been a statement or at least a reaction or apology from figmentofmyass? ::)
i think that he should at least take a stand before he is banned from the forum (if it has not already happened)
The only reason for a ban would be ban evading, if one of his alts is banned already. I don't think that's the case.

before he is banned from the forum (if it has not already happened)
he didn't break any of the forum's rule. he is not going to be banned.

aah, ok.
then i have said nothing :P :P ;D


Title: Re: Long-time sig campaign farm ID'd via single wallet transaction
Post by: khaled0111 on February 01, 2021, 09:27:00 PM
then i have said nothing :P :P ;D
in fact you're right. I know many members who think that figmentofmyass is a great user and that he's contributed alot to this forum. they consider him as their mentor FGS!! he owe them an apology or at least an explanation. I don't give a shit about what he'll say, if he will ever do

Let's see how many posts he makes without getting paid for it.
It's going to be 0 such with his other inactive accounts.


Title: Re: Long-time sig campaign farm ID'd via single wallet transaction
Post by: LoyceMobile on February 01, 2021, 09:28:47 PM
in fact you're right. I know many members who think that figmentofmyass is a great user and that he's contributed alot to this forum. they consider him as their mentor FGS!! he owe them an apology or at least an explanation.
Let's see how many posts he makes without getting paid for it.


Title: Re: Long-time sig campaign farm ID'd via single wallet transaction
Post by: suchmoon on February 01, 2021, 09:41:20 PM
Let's see how many posts he makes without getting paid for it.

I was gonna say - none, why waste time, but he already made a few this week before being kicked out by DarkStar_, without payment I assume.

But I would be surprised if we don't get at least a fallacy-ridden sorry-not-sorry attack on nutildah. FOMA was very active in the QS/PN7 debate, now we know why.


Title: Re: Long-time sig campaign farm ID'd via single wallet transaction
Post by: khaled0111 on February 01, 2021, 09:46:23 PM
BFOMA was very active in the QS/PN7 debate, now we know why.
why?

edit:
Quote
PN7 was exposed mainly on linguistic proof.
I wasn't aware of this, probably I missed that topic. However, it will be interesting if someone reuses the same technique used to link Panthers52 and Qs here (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1171059.0) against pn7 too.
The accounts exposed in this topic had totally different writing stylesand without the blockchain evidence, no one could've suspected them to be alts.


Title: Re: Long-time sig campaign farm ID'd via single wallet transaction
Post by: cygan on February 01, 2021, 09:46:44 PM
for this action nutildah should be rewarded by DarkStar_ with a spot at ChipMixer - no matter if he wants to apply there or not 8)👌👍💪


Title: Re: Long-time sig campaign farm ID'd via single wallet transaction
Post by: suchmoon on February 01, 2021, 09:54:42 PM
BFOMA was very active in the QS/PN7 debate, now we know why.
why?

PN7 was exposed mainly on linguistic proof. FOMA worked hard to dispute it. I'm quite sure that this was an attempt to discredit such proof in case this type of link was ever established between his accounts. Unlucky for him he was caught via blockchain.

Edit: grammar.


Title: Re: Long-time sig campaign farm ID'd via single wallet transaction
Post by: nutildah on February 01, 2021, 10:03:34 PM
FOMA was very active in the QS/PN7 debate, now we know why.

FOMA's staunch opposition (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5219253.msg53663203#msg53663203) to the "methodology" I employed in linking 2 accounts was curious to me; here I was thinking I was making sense and this guy is turning everything I said upside-down.

I didn't know for sure he had alt accounts but over the last year I began to put it together that he probably had alt accounts. I certainly couldn't prove anything though, so I never mentioned it publicly.

Since we know the 3 active accounts do all belong to the same person (with a fair to high degree of certainty), its reasonable to point out that searching the forum for unique phrases to identify potential alt accounts does have some merit to it, although blockchain evidence trumps this every time.

"federated model"
And the private and/or federated model can work too -- I think that's the proposal for Liquid -- but it doesn't need to be private.

In those cases, using a federated model like Liquid seems better than a single point of failure like a Bitcoin exchange.

"Peel chains"
they are making assumptions about peel chains many, many hops out.

They use complex peel chains and mixing, then use Chinese agents to sell to OTC brokers who interface with Huobi, OKEx, and other lax exchanges.

He endorses LocalCryptos:

The obvious alternatives in the aftermath were Paxful and LocalCryptos, although the number of offers is always disappointing.

I've since moved on to LocalCryptos. It's nowhere near as active as the old LBC, but I managed to make one cash trade recently -- for a good price too.

check out localcryptos. buyers using paypal are paying 25-50% over market: https://localcryptos.com/Bitcoin/PayPal/Buy

Anyway, it seems any doubt was removed by the 4th post in this thread or so. I have tagged all 9 accounts. Exstasie is no longer DT2 and FOMA is very excluded from DT1, so not much more to be done at the moment.


Title: Re: Long-time sig campaign farm ID'd via single wallet transaction
Post by: JollyGood on February 01, 2021, 10:33:51 PM
~snip~

Anyway, it seems any doubt was removed by the 4th post in this thread or so. I have tagged all 9 accounts. Exstasie is no longer DT2 and FOMA is very excluded from DT1, so not much more to be done at the moment.

Excellent thread.

I am tagging all 9 too but figmentofmyass was on my distrust list from a long time ago, he reciprocated in revenge of course.

I remember when I was contacted by at least one users telling me figmentofmyass was sending PMs to users trying to me and get others off their trust list so I knew he was a low life long ago. Thankfully just as others got caught out with strong evidence when they got too big for their boots this low life did too.

Thank you nutildah


Title: Re: Long-time sig campaign farm ID'd via single wallet transaction
Post by: FatFork on February 01, 2021, 10:43:15 PM
... so not much more to be done at the moment.

You've done enough. Now take a well-deserved break. ;)



Title: Re: Long-time sig campaign farm ID'd via single wallet transaction
Post by: JollyGood on February 01, 2021, 10:48:19 PM
in fact you're right. I know many members who think that figmentofmyass is a great user and that he's contributed alot to this forum. they consider him as their mentor FGS!! he owe them an apology or at least an explanation.
Let's see how many posts he makes without getting paid for it.

I would say the total amount of post those 9 accounts will make from now on towards the end of the year say 31st December 2021 is going to be almost zero. It might take more time before other accounts that the same person operated come to light.


It is simple, everybody should add those accounts to their distrust list:

~figmentofmyass
~illyiller
~illinest
~squatter
~marky89
~exstasie
~MAbtc
~romani245
~manchester93


Title: Re: Long-time sig campaign farm ID'd via single wallet transaction
Post by: rhomelmabini on February 01, 2021, 10:54:09 PM
What a job these alts have done, looks like a full time job sitting in his grandmother's bench wearing the CM signature. Looks like if the other one got the max post count in a week the other alts tends not to get it done might be in a hassle but still he got the CM milked. Seeing the previous increase in BTC price this guy have made thousands a week when the new pay rates hasn't changed yet. I commend nutildah for this busting, it's not an easy one.

Adding these accounts to my distrust lists.


Title: Re: Long-time sig campaign farm ID'd via single wallet transaction
Post by: JollyGood on February 01, 2021, 11:09:00 PM
...


Here is a screenshot of the link posted in the OP:

https://www.blockchain.com/btc/tx/2f068dddc4c24b8771bc0d46671e38d80b834198d9e99a7329d2d2a946c3fc19







~figmentofmyass
~illyiller
~illinest
~squatter
~marky89
~exstasie
~MAbtc
~romani245
~manchester93


Title: Re: Long-time sig campaign farm ID'd via single wallet transaction
Post by: El duderino_ on February 01, 2021, 11:35:06 PM
https://blockpath.com/

Thanks for this, that's a good tool I'll probably use in the future.

What's sad is this guy has been entering his alts together in contests for a long time, too... Not very cool.

He entered all 9 accounts in a giveaway held by El Duderino:


edit: list of everyone

...
3764    manchester93 :(
...
4248    illyiller :(
...
4590    figmentofmyass :(
...
5090    squatter :(
...
5240    romani245 :(
...
5340    exstasie :(
...
5560    MAbtc :(
...
5650    illinest :(
...
6000    marky89 :(

Even worse is figmentofmyass has been helping to organize online poker tournaments for Bitcointalk users. I took a look and sure enough, he plays in tournaments with himself:

running list of SwC poker handles:

Code:
figmentofmyass = FOMA777
rhomelmabini = K1R1T0
Betwrong = Betwrong
Steamtyme = Steamtyme
CoinEraser = CoinEraser
manchester93 = NEpats93
Improved = Obaming
Murat = hardtime

This just crossed into scumbag territory.

Which is too bad because he's quite an intelligent guy. Hope he didn't think he'd get away with it forever.
Damn the dude even won a game from me......

What a scammer

LoL... all the prices he predicted where in very same region, he was confident ::)


Title: Re: Long-time sig campaign farm ID'd via single wallet transaction
Post by: malevolent on February 02, 2021, 01:03:33 AM
How the heck do users even post with that many accounts? They have to be posting in the same threads and answering each other. I barely post on my 1 account, couldn't imagine the hell it would be to try making quotas weekly on 10+ accounts.

ChipMixer's campaign is one of the rare ones with no weekly quotas. But he was able to consistently post close to 50 posts per week on two, sometimes three of his accounts without lowering the post quality too much, since he hasn't been removed for that after thee years, but due to his sloppiness (or refusal to use the service he's been advertising :P). Anyway, that sounds like a part-time job, at the very least. And he got caught just as the rates have been decreased by >75%.

in fact you're right. I know many members who think that figmentofmyass is a great user and that he's contributed alot to this forum. they consider him as their mentor FGS!! he owe them an apology or at least an explanation.
Let's see how many posts he makes without getting paid for it.

He wouldn't be the first CM signature campaign member who stopped posting after removal.


Title: Re: Long-time sig campaign farm ID'd via single wallet transaction
Post by: khaled0111 on February 02, 2021, 01:15:59 AM
He wouldn't be the first CM signature campaign member who stopped posting after removal.
Sure.
can you provide some examples?


Title: Re: Long-time sig campaign farm ID'd via single wallet transaction
Post by: malevolent on February 02, 2021, 02:01:42 AM
Sure.
can you provide some examples?

gentlemand https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/17P52DifaD7YfvzLkX3wrxGVpKcaPHY4y57ZpI-FK754/edit#gid=1298899162

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=155345

Stopped posting and logging in just after he was removed from the campaign, and hasn't returned since. TBH, I wouldn't be surprised if he had more accounts.


Title: Re: Long-time sig campaign farm ID'd via single wallet transaction
Post by: khaled0111 on February 02, 2021, 02:16:57 AM
he/she was a good poster (he had a unique writing style) and seemed to be supporting newbies quiet a lot. wouldn't be surprised if one of those newbies were one of his/her alts.


Title: Re: Long-time sig campaign farm ID'd via single wallet transaction
Post by: JollyGood on February 02, 2021, 02:24:51 AM
Well if he was that determined to have so many accounts in order to pocket cash under various guises he still might have other accounts that have not been discovered yet which might not be connected to Chipmixer but might be used in other campaigns.

Yes it seems he pocketed a lot of cash through his multi-accounts primarily through the Chipmixer campaign.


figmentofmyass joined Chipmixer campaign Week 20

exstasie - Week 25

Squatter - Week 31

Current week is 194

So this 3 accounts have been milking Chipmixer for more than 3 years.


Title: Re: Long-time sig campaign farm ID'd via single wallet transaction
Post by: Quickseller on February 02, 2021, 02:25:13 AM
How the heck do users even post with that many accounts? They have to be posting in the same threads and answering each other. I barely post on my 1 account, couldn't imagine the hell it would be to try making quotas weekly on 10+ accounts.

ChipMixer's campaign is one of the rare ones with no weekly quotas. But he was able to consistently post close to 50 posts per week on two, sometimes three of his accounts without lowering the post quality too much, since he hasn't been removed for that after thee years, but due to his sloppiness (or refusal to use the service he's been advertising :P). Anyway, that sounds like a part-time job, at the very least. And he got caught just as the rates have been decreased by >75%.
With BTC trading at $12k, making the maximum number of posts (for CM) on three accounts would earn him what works out to around US$70k per year, and this doesn't count his likely other accounts. That is hardly part time money. I wouldn't be surprised if he had quit his job and used his sig campaign earnings to pay his expenses. If so, he probably suddenly has a gap in his resume and is in need of a job. Hopefully he has some money socked away to last him until he is able to find other work.


Title: Re: Long-time sig campaign farm ID'd via single wallet transaction
Post by: khaled0111 on February 02, 2021, 02:30:57 AM
...
if he did, then he wouldn't need a job at least for the next 3-4 years.
Let's stop speculating about how much he did earn or about how much he did accumulate. He was busted that's all that matter.
let's wait and see if he has any thing to say... we need to hear from him..


Title: Re: Long-time sig campaign farm ID'd via single wallet transaction
Post by: Quickseller on February 02, 2021, 02:35:59 AM
...
if he did, then he doesn't need a job at least for 3-4 years.
Well he probably had some expenses and has spent some of the money he earned over the last three years, and had to sell at below $13k. It also depends on where he lives, if he lives in a third world country, he may be set for life, but if he lives in New York City, he may not have earned enough to even pay rent. He currently has around US$11,600 in his three CM addresses, and who knows how much he has elsewhere.


Title: Re: Long-time sig campaign farm ID'd via single wallet transaction
Post by: TheQuin on February 02, 2021, 05:21:21 AM
Another good example is this one. This guy said, "as they say", so I wondered who does he mean by "they" because I've never heard the expression said that way before. It turns out it was himself.

"They" means everyone. It's a very commonly used phrase where I originate from (London).

https://idioms.thefreedictionary.com/as+they+say#:~:text=A%20phrase%20used%20to%20introduce,as%20they%20say%2C%20is%20history.
Quote
as they say

A phrase used to introduce a well-known or commonly used saying.
And the rest, as they say, is history.

as they ˈsay (also as the saying ˈgoes) often used before or after a saying or an idiom: We can kill two birds with one stone, as they say. ♢ He was, as the saying goes, as mad as a hatter.



~Advertising a mixer and getting caught on blockchain evidence is quite ironic.

/Scratches head in disbelief.


Title: Re: Long-time sig campaign farm ID'd via single wallet transaction
Post by: NotATether on February 02, 2021, 05:48:08 AM
Good lord, with all the scandals happening on bitcointalk, someone could start a news network or tabloid out of it! And it would bring a lot of money from multitudes of viewers glued to watching commentary about scandals. Almost as much as FOX or The Daily Mail to be honest.

"Account farm CAUGHT milking Chipmixer campaign for 3 years"
"Yet another big loan default worth HUNDREDS in bitcoin" (to be clear I do not mean to offend anyone with this)
"Casino uses SOCKPUPPETS to defend itself in face of scam accusations"

 ;D


Title: Re: Long-time sig campaign farm ID'd via single wallet transaction
Post by: PrimeNumber7 on February 02, 2021, 05:58:10 AM
~Advertising a mixer and getting caught on blockchain evidence is quite ironic.

/Scratches head in disbelief.
The transaction that linked all the accounts together was made not long after he started advertising for ChipMixer using any account. Based on the posts he deleted, he probably eventually figured out how to better protect his privacy.


Title: Re: Long-time sig campaign farm ID'd via single wallet transaction
Post by: NeuroticFish on February 02, 2021, 07:41:09 AM
gentlemand https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/17P52DifaD7YfvzLkX3wrxGVpKcaPHY4y57ZpI-FK754/edit#gid=1298899162

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=155345

Stopped posting and logging in just after he was removed from the campaign, and hasn't returned since. TBH, I wouldn't be surprised if he had more accounts.

I was genuinely concerned about him missing. Now, I have this, which may or may not be relevant to the story (apologies for so many quotes).

Just noticed that Last of the V8s is still AWOL, anybody got any news from him, is he well?

Also gentlemand seems gone too.

I miss both their posts.

They’re both fine, I know them away from here.

This is good news.
I was a bit concerned about gentlemand since I thought that his account got hacked; his account is somewhat close to the "specs" from an account seller (https://archive.is/K5WXj).
Maybe you notify him to check account and maybe change password, just in case.


Title: Re: Long-time sig campaign farm ID'd via single wallet transaction
Post by: mu_enrico on February 02, 2021, 08:31:30 AM
Fantastic findings @nutildah, I wanted to drop all my merits, but there are quality newbies to feed :P
I'm really impressed with these three IDs with their capability to create rather "quality" posts compared to some of the previously removed participants. It's like he never leaves his basement 24/7 ;D

Thanks, I hope you get your spot there. Thumbs up!


Title: Re: Long-time sig campaign farm ID'd via single wallet transaction
Post by: Slow death on February 02, 2021, 09:35:54 AM
https://i.imgur.com/Pr7dkSt.jpg



do more than 35 post a week Is something extremely difficult, how could he do more than 40 post a week with @figmentofmyass and @exstasie accounts and still have good post quality?

this guy is a legend. he managed to drain a lot of money from the chipmixer for years and see that this is not something that anyone can do... he has good post quality even with many accounts. it looks like he has nothing to do in the real world.

my tribute to this great legend:

https://i.imgur.com/X5aICRG.png


Title: Re: Long-time sig campaign farm ID'd via single wallet transaction
Post by: NotATether on February 02, 2021, 10:17:21 AM
do more than 35 post a week Is something extremely difficult, how could he do more than 40 post a week with @figmentofmyass and @exstasie accounts and still have good post quality?

this guy is a legend. he managed to drain a lot of money from the chipmixer for years and see that this is not something that anyone can do... he has good post quality even with many accounts. it looks like he has nothing to do in the real world.

Eh, I average 75 posts on a good week and it's not unusual to see me at 60 posts per week. And there are some people here who can do even more than 75 (I read in his services thread for example that @Ratimov can do over 100 posts a week).

If you browse the site every few hours then it's easy to find like 8 or 9 reasonable-quality threads or multiple posts in the same thread that you can churn out replies to at once. Do this 7 times a day and you're already between 56 and 63 posts, so spreading them across multiple accounts, already logged in from separate devices I presume, and not browsing bitcointalk on some devices on some days to give the fake impression of inactivity, shouldn't be hard :(

If these guys all used the same device for posting then I'd imagine one of them would've posted something using the wrong account and get busted much earlier.


Title: Re: Long-time sig campaign farm ID'd via single wallet transaction
Post by: Mitchell on February 02, 2021, 10:38:43 AM
If these guys all used the same device for posting then I'd imagine one of them would've posted something using the wrong account and get busted much earlier.
Wonder if they just have a bunch of cheap chromebooks that they use to keep everything separated.


Title: Re: Long-time sig campaign farm ID'd via single wallet transaction
Post by: NeuroticFish on February 02, 2021, 10:52:01 AM
Wonder if they just have a bunch of cheap chromebooks that they use to keep everything separated.

It can be done easily with each user having his own browser (Chrome, FFox, Edge, Brave, Opera, ...) on the same machine
or, for clearer difference and avoiding surprises, with separate virtual machines installed for each.
That part is the least problem imho.

(However, I'm still shocked about these findings, since we don't talk here about the usual shitposters).


Title: Re: Long-time sig campaign farm ID'd via single wallet transaction
Post by: lovesmayfamilis on February 02, 2021, 11:20:03 AM
Wonder if they just have a bunch of cheap chromebooks that they use to keep everything separated.

It can be done easily with each user having his own browser (Chrome, FFox, Edge, Brave, Opera, ...) on the same machine
or, for clearer difference and avoiding surprises, with separate virtual machines installed for each.
That part is the least problem imho.

(However, I'm still shocked about these findings, since we don't talk here about the usual shitposters).

You read my mind. A virtual machine with different profiles is quite convenient to understand in which machine which account. Well, if we take into account the experience and attentiveness, then one Firefox with 5-10 profiles is enough.

Here all the relish lies in the fact that he did an excellent job in his job.

https://i.ibb.co/BN86hnr/SELBSTORGANSIATION-UND-STRESSMANAGEMENT.jpg (https://imgbb.com/)


Title: Re: Long-time sig campaign farm ID'd via single wallet transaction
Post by: kurious on February 02, 2021, 11:24:50 AM
Sure.
can you provide some examples?

gentlemand https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/17P52DifaD7YfvzLkX3wrxGVpKcaPHY4y57ZpI-FK754/edit#gid=1298899162

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=155345

Stopped posting and logging in just after he was removed from the campaign, and hasn't returned since. TBH, I wouldn't be surprised if he had more accounts.

I know gentlemand IRL and he always said he only came on to keep the sign campaign commitment up.  He was never that bothered about the WO, or even the campaign in the end - he actually said to me 'I don't know why they bother keeping me on it'.  He let it lapse, and given his lack of enthusiasm I am certain he would not have bothered with another account.  So, suppose all you like, but sorry, nah. 


Title: Re: Long-time sig campaign farm ID'd via single wallet transaction
Post by: LoyceV on February 02, 2021, 11:35:27 AM
Eh, I average 75 posts on a good week and it's not unusual to see me at 60 posts per week. And there are some people here who can do even more than 75 (I read in his services thread for example that @Ratimov can do over 100 posts a week).
See Top posters on Bitcointalk in the past 7 days (https://loyce.club/active/7d.html): only a few people post more than 100 posts per week. Then again, I can't know who uses multiple accounts.


Title: Re: Long-time sig campaign farm ID'd via single wallet transaction
Post by: JollyGood on February 02, 2021, 12:33:37 PM
Just one PC running with several different browsers would be enough with each using a freebie VPN if necessary.

9+ individual devices such as laptops or PCs would be difficult to house and maintain though not impossible for somebody determined.

It seems like he hid himself very well and posted in a way to not expose himself but thankfully in the end he got caught out but made a lot of money out of the Chipmixer signature campaign by cheating them and maybe from several other current campaigns with more connected accounts that have not been exposed yet. So far 9 connected accounts have been exposed.



If these guys all used the same device for posting then I'd imagine one of them would've posted something using the wrong account and get busted much earlier.
Wonder if they just have a bunch of cheap chromebooks that they use to keep everything separated.


Title: Re: Long-time sig campaign farm ID'd via single wallet transaction
Post by: YOSHIE on February 02, 2021, 02:30:15 PM
figmentofmyass
illyiller
illinest
squatter
marky89
exstasie
MAbtc
romani245
manchester93

It seems that @figmentofmyass, not only cheated on the @ChipMixer campaign, they were also involved in selling accounts.

Because:@nutildah, he has burned all the alt accounts, we can be sure that there are no other Alt accounts in the future that can be sold or rigged.

There are Five more Alt accounts that are owned by:@figmentofmyass, they use the same Twitter account to make a living on this forum.

Twitter @BCgamer01 is used by: @illinest and @HarHarHar9965.

Connect:

1. HarHarHar9965 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=131686)

Hi and thank you primedice!!!  ;D

BTC- 1PNNDcjJ9kvR3fWdB3woQgLPDvLE7P59Q5
primedice- 09be597a82
twitter- BCgamer01
https://archive.is/Pp6a2

Bitcointalk Username: illinest
Bitcointalk Profile Link: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=359850
Twitter account: https://twitter.com/BCgamer01
Twitter Audit: https://www.twitteraudit.com/BCgamer01
Total followers: 863
Onion Address: DXBHBXycF77js2LJvJb2HBNDezqGAgdGQA
https://archive.is/wip/aPfBq



And other Twitter accounts: @ChikunArise, also used by: @romani245, @Marbit and @AceWallen.

Connect:

2. Marbit (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=120267)
3. AceWallen (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=131681)

I'm in: https://twitter.com/ChikunArise/status/933488972814102528

How will you contact the winners?
https://archive.is/wip/9w2UI

Post by: Marbit (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=323615.msg3466617#msg3466617)
Quote
Twitter Username: @ChikunArise
BTC Address: 1CmQgS6TYzXh8inEGsrPA8VbqMyBaeCPjv
Notes: Thanks a lot!
https://archive.is/wip/O61yP

Post by: AceWallen (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=818725.msg11619567#msg11619567)
Quote
https://twitter.com/ChikunArise
1F8DggHBMrVzChhHWeYhCeVWGBspxextL6

thanks
https://archive.is/wip/43FNA



And in my opinion, the main account @figmentofmyass has not been used since 2017 and there is already a red sign (sale).

Twitter @CryptoG99 is used by: @manchester93, @HarHarHar9965 you @Argwai96.

Connect:

4. Argwai96 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=131421)

Done. Fingers crossed! :)
https://twitter.com/CryptoG99/status/933491762739404801
https://archive.is/wip/VmZCZ

Post by: HarHarHar9965 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=818725.msg11619604#msg11619604)
Quote
Twitter: https://twitter.com/CryptoG99
Rollin address: 1KauicxbLWVEAEibvAkWWJYAGtqW3rnhoH
Thanks. Grin
https://archive.is/wip/NLDtM

Post by: Argwai96 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=323615.msg3466640#msg3466640)
Quote
Twitter Username: @CryptoG99
BTC Address: 1FXpH6NjGMP595ZAaRq8pRPSMbotqyY6L3
Notes: Thanks a lot!
https://archive.is/wip/uog8A

This is proof of account sale by: @Argwai96.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=131421




Really unexpected, if you look again at the Twitter used by: @ HarHarHar9965 is also used by: @Gimmelfarb, really ironic.

Connect:

5. Gimmelfarb (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=131427)

Post by: HarHarHar9965 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=323615.msg3466721#msg3466721)
Quote
Twitter Username: @WPMason1
BTC Address: 1DjoC18ADsYqjBerDRpxvyqwkYo4jotLQv
Notes: Thanks a lot!
https://archive.is/wip/jJSOJ

BTC: 1greEnsUXGv5CDQSeJNskmsruFi5RV2CL
primedice.com: 2a42e7cb4f
twitter (i followed you): WPMason1

THANKS!!!!!!!
https://archive.is/wip/nUwRv

If you look deeper: @Lutpin (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=520313) the first to unmask them via Bitcoin sending transactions.

Based on the Bitcoin address used by: @HarHarHar9965.

Below are some other hidden Alts involved in account trading.

Proof:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1206112.msg13887541#msg13887541


Title: Re: Long-time sig campaign farm ID'd via single wallet transaction
Post by: dkbit98 on February 02, 2021, 03:06:36 PM
According to latest Yoshie research we may even have the case of ban evasion here because HarHarHar9965 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=131686) was banned and archived in 9/28/2019, and I think people will find more accounts connections.

Credits should also be given to Timelord2067 who first found some connection with his accounts back in 2017 related to some piratcoin pump and dump:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1702409.msg17520054#msg17520054

What we learned from all of this:
Don't trust, verify  :)
 


Title: Re: Long-time sig campaign farm ID'd via single wallet transaction
Post by: JollyGood on February 02, 2021, 03:10:02 PM
Excellent investigative efforts.

I think there will be more accounts that will be shown to be connected too. It might be possible that he has been cheating signature campaigns other than Chipmixer and this set back is going to hurt his pockets temporarily but he will be focusing on using his other accounts and maybe is going to purchase or use sleeper accounts to start all over again.


figmentofmyass
illyiller
illinest
squatter
marky89
exstasie
MAbtc
romani245
manchester93

It seems that @figmentofmyass, not only cheated on the @ChipMixer campaign, they were also involved in selling accounts.

Because:@nutildah, he has burned all the alt accounts, we can be sure that there are no other Alt accounts in the future that can be sold or rigged.

There are four more Alt accounts that are owned by:@figmentofmyass, they use the same Twitter account to make a living on this forum.

Twitter @BCgamer01 is used by: @illinest and @HarHarHar9965.

Connect:

1. HarHarHar9965 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=131686)

Hi and thank you primedice!!!  ;D

BTC- 1PNNDcjJ9kvR3fWdB3woQgLPDvLE7P59Q5
primedice- 09be597a82
twitter- BCgamer01
https://archive.is/Pp6a2

Bitcointalk Username: illinest
Bitcointalk Profile Link: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=359850
Twitter account: https://twitter.com/BCgamer01
Twitter Audit: https://www.twitteraudit.com/BCgamer01
Total followers: 863
Onion Address: DXBHBXycF77js2LJvJb2HBNDezqGAgdGQA
https://archive.is/wip/aPfBq



And other Twitter accounts: @ChikunArise, also used by: @romani245, @Marbit and @AceWallen.

Connect:

2. Marbit (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=120267)
3. AceWallen (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=131681)

I'm in: https://twitter.com/ChikunArise/status/933488972814102528

How will you contact the winners?
https://archive.is/wip/9w2UI

Post by: Marbit (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=323615.msg3466617#msg3466617)
Quote
Twitter Username: @ChikunArise
BTC Address: 1CmQgS6TYzXh8inEGsrPA8VbqMyBaeCPjv
Notes: Thanks a lot!
https://archive.is/wip/O61yP

Post by: AceWallen (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=818725.msg11619567#msg11619567)
Quote
https://twitter.com/ChikunArise
1F8DggHBMrVzChhHWeYhCeVWGBspxextL6

thanks
https://archive.is/wip/43FNA



And in my opinion, the main account @figmentofmyass has not been used since 2017 and there is already a red sign (sale).

Twitter @CryptoG99 is used by: @manchester93, @HarHarHar9965 you @Argwai96.

Connect:

4. Argwai96 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=131421)

Done. Fingers crossed! :)
https://twitter.com/CryptoG99/status/933491762739404801
https://archive.is/wip/VmZCZ

Post by: HarHarHar9965 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=818725.msg11619604#msg11619604)
Quote
Twitter: https://twitter.com/CryptoG99
Rollin address: 1KauicxbLWVEAEibvAkWWJYAGtqW3rnhoH
Thanks. Grin
https://archive.is/wip/NLDtM

Post by: Argwai96 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=323615.msg3466640#msg3466640)
Quote
Twitter Username: @CryptoG99
BTC Address: 1FXpH6NjGMP595ZAaRq8pRPSMbotqyY6L3
Notes: Thanks a lot!
https://archive.is/wip/uog8A

This is proof of account sale by: @Argwai96.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=131421


Title: Re: Long-time sig campaign farm ID'd via single wallet transaction
Post by: Slow death on February 02, 2021, 03:26:25 PM
See Top posters on Bitcointalk in the past 7 days (https://loyce.club/active/7d.html): only a few people post more than 100 posts per week.

when I saw this list the first thing I thought was to run to see what the position of @figmentofmyass was and he is in the position 747

https://i.imgur.com/0wSUcQS.png

but if we count all his accounts, the guy could do more than 100 posts a week. this guy is legend

Eh, I average 75 posts on a good week and it's not unusual to see me at 60 posts per week. And there are some people here who can do even more than 75 (I read in his services thread for example that @Ratimov can do over 100 posts a week).

two years ago i was able to do up to 60 post per week ... i think if my memory is not failing i still haven't managed to do 70 a week since i'm here at bitcointalk.

currently I can't post 40 post a week.


Title: Re: Long-time sig campaign farm ID'd via single wallet transaction
Post by: JollyGood on February 02, 2021, 04:09:43 PM
From the time I signed up to the forum until now, if I take all my posts and divide them between the weeks I have just over 61 posts a week but in some weeks I know I made zero or very little posts so no doubt I must have hit well over 80 posts in weeks.

I am not talking about the quality of the content I posted (or lack of), just the numbers involved  ;D



See Top posters on Bitcointalk in the past 7 days (https://loyce.club/active/7d.html): only a few people post more than 100 posts per week.

when I saw this list the first thing I thought was to run to see what the position of @figmentofmyass was and he is in the position 747

https://i.imgur.com/0wSUcQS.png

but if we count all his accounts, the guy could do more than 100 posts a week. this guy is legend

Eh, I average 75 posts on a good week and it's not unusual to see me at 60 posts per week. And there are some people here who can do even more than 75 (I read in his services thread for example that @Ratimov can do over 100 posts a week).

two years ago i was able to do up to 60 post per week ... i think if my memory is not failing i still haven't managed to do 70 a week since i'm here at bitcointalk.

currently I can't post 40 post a week.


Title: Re: Long-time sig campaign farm ID'd via single wallet transaction
Post by: eddie13 on February 02, 2021, 06:13:41 PM
He broke the rules of the cm campaign and has done some untrustworthy shit including entering multiple alts in contests..

But.. Do you think that cm didn’t get the quality advertising they paid for because of this?
I think they still probably did, and it wouldn’t be a problem other than their specific rule to not allow alt accounts..
He is obviously a high quality poster to have achieved what he has..

I think 7 red tags might be a bit heavy but it’s whatever..

Do you guys hope he stops posting on all of his accounts and goes away forever, or do you think he is still a somewhat valuable member of the community even though he gamed the system to make more coin?

Would an admission and apology from him help any?
Where do you think he really stands now?

I personally don’t think bending the rules of a signature campaign is all that big of a deal..
I think entering multiple alts in a free contest is much more “cheating” than breaking a sig campaign rule..
In fact I’m not even sure “cheating” the campaign is the correct word to use if he did in fact create all of that quality content and therefore quality advertising which probably had zero effect on the value of advertising he was paid to provide..

I’m failing to see any financial damage done to cm or anyone over the campaign part..
My problem lies more in the contests..

Also wonder if mods knew this by IP the entire time and kept their mouths shut..


Title: Re: Long-time sig campaign farm ID'd via single wallet transaction
Post by: o_e_l_e_o on February 02, 2021, 07:07:55 PM
Also wonder if mods knew this by IP the entire time and kept their mouths shut..
Only theymos and Cyrus have access to IP logs, not the moderators. I would also be very surprised if it turned out they were arbitrarily looking up user's IP logs just for the fun of it without some prior suspicion or indication.


Title: Re: Long-time sig campaign farm ID'd via single wallet transaction
Post by: suchmoon on February 02, 2021, 07:24:12 PM
Do you guys hope he stops posting on all of his accounts and goes away forever, or do you think he is still a somewhat valuable member of the community even though he gamed the system to make more coin?

Would an admission and apology from him help any?
Where do you think he really stands now?

There is nothing to prevent him from posting just like many users (including yourself) post without getting paid. But I think it's naive to expect that someone who made sockpuppeting into a full time job would stick around after losing the job. It's not really about an apology - I don't think that would change anything.

As for CM getting their money's worth etc... perhaps so but he essentially scammed other CM candidates who got rejected because someone was hogging three spots, which is harder to quantify as a monetary loss but a shitty thing to do nonetheless. As you can see there is no trust flag in this situation even though a contract was violated so this is all more than fair I think.

Edit: grammar.


Title: Re: Long-time sig campaign farm ID'd via single wallet transaction
Post by: LoyceV on February 02, 2021, 07:35:30 PM
Do you guys hope he stops posting on all of his accounts and goes away forever, or do you think he is still a somewhat valuable member of the community even though he gamed the system to make more coin?

Would an admission and apology from him help any?
Where do you think he really stands now?
That's entirely up to him. Forum rules allow everything he did, but he betrayed the community. The community can't stop him from posting. I wouldn't be surprised (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5313637.msg56245484#msg56245484) if he doesn't post anything at all anymore.

Only theymos and Cyrus have access to IP logs, not the moderators. I would also be very surprised if it turned out they were arbitrarily looking up user's IP logs just for the fun of it without some prior suspicion or indication.
The Cryptios (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5138349.0) people have IP-access too.


Title: Re: Long-time sig campaign farm ID'd via single wallet transaction
Post by: nutildah on February 02, 2021, 08:24:30 PM
I personally don’t think bending the rules of a signature campaign is all that big of a deal..

It's a bit more than a "bend", don't you think? It looks like a compound fracture to me:

Rules:
...
5. Enrolling alts will result in both of your accounts removed without payment.

I think entering multiple alts in a free contest is much more “cheating” than breaking a sig campaign rule..
In fact I’m not even sure “cheating” the campaign is the correct word to use if he did in fact create all of that quality content and therefore quality advertising which probably had zero effect on the value of advertising he was paid to provide..

I’m failing to see any financial damage done to cm or anyone over the campaign part..

Of course its cheating. He enrolled alts. I don't understand the point of arguing against this concept except for the sake of intellectual exercise; nor do I see a benefit in making assumptions about DarkStar's job, as he has more experience in the occupation than any of us. But to each their own.


And great job @YOSHIE, I'm looking into it right now. It looks like ban evasion indeed. To be continued...


Title: Re: Long-time sig campaign farm ID'd via single wallet transaction
Post by: nutildah on February 02, 2021, 09:22:14 PM
Really unexpected, if you look again at the Twitter used by: @ HarHarHar9965 is also used by: @Gimmelfarb, really ironic.

Connect:

5. Gimmelfarb (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=131427)

Post by: HarHarHar9965 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=323615.msg3466721#msg3466721)
Quote
Twitter Username: @WPMason1
BTC Address: 1DjoC18ADsYqjBerDRpxvyqwkYo4jotLQv
Notes: Thanks a lot!
https://archive.is/wip/jJSOJ

BTC: 1greEnsUXGv5CDQSeJNskmsruFi5RV2CL
primedice.com: 2a42e7cb4f
twitter (i followed you): WPMason1

THANKS!!!!!!!

The 1DjoC18... address is part of a wallet connected in this Bitcoin Giveaway transaction (https://www.blockchain.com/btc/tx/3ff990d8b9709318dada22259fe67aa333cec5f4d3b238d1340bdce0cf77bddb) to the following addresses:

1DZqmAG3kjeEj84raMoDnDPxL3bP7spRU1 - WillyBTC (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=131733) (proof (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=323615.msg3467103#msg3467103))
1vc8KaBa8mAuoaiJXt9QVY9mg8PucJKmj - scarsbergholden  (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=131131)(proof (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=323615.msg3466624#msg3466624))
1Db1gfA5c2YqRfAxi2wBQnXWmPWYcvfgAy - Gimmelfarb  (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=131427)(proof (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=323615.msg3466661#msg3466661))
1CmrVNmxLKbbuk1vBsvikh32Ew4pergo6N - JerryCurlzzz  (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=132626)(proof (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=323615.msg3466945#msg3466945))
1Hcn4Amw47xP1Y3Wno6CH8cU2GCM5BtD3V - Habeler876  (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=131432)(proof (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=323615.msg3466685#msg3466685))
131a7tKMqKZmAdnsVKVxzjLvNgWSScAiXC - exchange withdrawal address
14BUFCCNifu6FmhFydauU47oBvm8WaqUXn - exchange withdrawal address
132zvKqMn3Fy45ddDyhFb8SjksDPvvUyiQ - InwardContour (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=131697) (proof (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=323615.msg3466792#msg3466792)) (still active)
1DZqmAG3kjeEj84raMoDnDPxL3bP7spRU1 - WillyBTC (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=131733) (proof (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=323615.msg3467103#msg3467103))

He has different Twitter handles for each account. Could be a treasure trove of new alt connections.

While only 1 of the alts is still active, and it could very well be a sold account, this farm spreads geometrically, making me think it is/was being coordinated by a group of people instead of just one. Maybe it passed through different hands over the years, from one farm master to the next.

If it's only one guy, he's been really busy for the past 7-8 years.


Title: Re: Long-time sig campaign farm ID'd via single wallet transaction
Post by: eddie13 on February 02, 2021, 09:36:15 PM
I don't understand the point of arguing against this concept except for the sake of intellectual exercise; nor do I see a benefit in making assumptions about DarkStar's job, as he has more experience in the occupation than any of us. But to each their own.

I was directly asked for my opinion on this thread by another DT1 member, so I gave it..
Just stated my thought process on the situation..

Me and DS are fine..
BTW @DS I’ve been out of town for work for the last 5 weeks straight or so and haven’t gotten around to any of that stuff we were talking about yet.. Sorry..


Title: Re: Long-time sig campaign farm ID'd via single wallet transaction
Post by: nutildah on February 02, 2021, 10:12:08 PM
I was directly asked for my opinion on this thread by another DT1 member, so I gave it..

So your opinion is that breaking the rules isn't really breaking the rules so long as you perceive ChipMixer still benefits from the poster wearing their signature? Otherwise, I don't understand what it is you are saying. He clearly broke a rule, and you're saying it's not "cheating." Why do you want to give this person a pass?


Title: Re: Long-time sig campaign farm ID'd via single wallet transaction
Post by: Quickseller on February 02, 2021, 10:15:18 PM


Post by: HarHarHar9965 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=323615.msg3466721#msg3466721)

1vc8KaBa8mAuoaiJXt9QVY9mg8PucJKmj - scarsbergholden  (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=131131)(proof (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=323615.msg3466624#msg3466624))

HarHarHar9965 was participating in trust farming (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1206309.0) via fake trades in 2015. He used  poeEDgar (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=136081) to sell accounts.

If memory serves me correctly, I had bought and sold scarsbergholden in 2014 or '15.


But.. Do you think that cm didn’t get the quality advertising they paid for because of this?
I think they still probably did, and it wouldn’t be a problem other than their specific rule to not allow alt accounts..
He is obviously a high quality poster to have achieved what he has..
I have made similar arguments in the past. As long as they are not talking to eachother, CM received advertising for xx posts, and paid for xx posts. The post quality was good enough that he was accepted into the campaign over other applicants, and was not removed when other applicants applied. 

I would see the 50 post limit as a means to control the budget.

I would be curious if DS would be open to allowing someone in the CM campaign to apply for one of the open spots with the account he is already participating with, so that he could potentailly be paid for 100 posts/week as opposed to 50 posts per week.


Title: Re: Long-time sig campaign farm ID'd via single wallet transaction
Post by: eddie13 on February 02, 2021, 10:26:40 PM
I was directly asked for my opinion on this thread by another DT1 member, so I gave it..

So your opinion is that breaking the rules isn't really breaking the rules so long as you perceive ChipMixer still benefits from the poster wearing their signature? Otherwise, I don't understand what it is you are saying. He clearly broke a rule, and you're saying it's not "cheating." Why do you want to give this person a pass?

What do you mean give him a pass?
The dude just lost probably the biggest group of valuable accounts and income stream at once I have ever seen, lol..

I just think it’s morally worse to have ripped off the giveaways than to have worked chipmixer so hard..
It’s just more sensational because it’s chipmixer...


Title: Re: Long-time sig campaign farm ID'd via single wallet transaction
Post by: nutildah on February 02, 2021, 10:34:15 PM
I was directly asked for my opinion on this thread by another DT1 member, so I gave it..

So your opinion is that breaking the rules isn't really breaking the rules so long as you perceive ChipMixer still benefits from the poster wearing their signature? Otherwise, I don't understand what it is you are saying. He clearly broke a rule, and you're saying it's not "cheating." Why do you want to give this person a pass?

What do you mean give him a pass?

It was you that said this:

I personally don’t think bending the rules of a signature campaign is all that big of a deal..
...
I’m failing to see any financial damage done to cm or anyone over the campaign part..

It seems like you're trying to trivialize what he did and justify it to yourself as being OK because in your mind he was still adding value to the ChipMixer campaign. I just have to wonder what evidence you are basing that assumption on.


Title: Re: Long-time sig campaign farm ID'd via single wallet transaction
Post by: suchmoon on February 02, 2021, 11:47:34 PM
And so it begins, page 5 LOL.

It's not a fucking copulating (trying to keep it civil) job. It's a privilege to get paid for what you would be doing anyway. If someone's account farming gets in the way of forum discussions, we should get rid of account farming, not of forum discussions. End my suffering and ban me now if I'm wrong about this LOL.


Title: Re: Long-time sig campaign farm ID'd via single wallet transaction
Post by: LoyceV on February 03, 2021, 08:33:29 AM
But.. Do you think that cm didn’t get the quality advertising they paid for because of this?
I think they still probably did, and it wouldn’t be a problem other than their specific rule to not allow alt accounts..
He is obviously a high quality poster to have achieved what he has..
I have made similar arguments in the past. As long as they are not talking to eachother, CM received advertising for xx posts, and paid for xx posts. The post quality was good enough that he was accepted into the campaign over other applicants, and was not removed when other applicants applied. 

I would see the 50 post limit as a means to control the budget.

I would be curious if DS would be open to allowing someone in the CM campaign to apply for one of the open spots with the account he is already participating with, so that he could potentailly be paid for 100 posts/week as opposed to 50 posts per week.
I'm pretty sure DarkStar_ won't allow that. This rule is very clear:
1. We will pay a maximum of 50 posts every week.
I've made more than the maximum number of posts in most weeks. I didn't get paid for any posts above that, which is fine.
If you have to compare this to a job, compare it to a high-paying job that expects employees to do unpaid overtime once in a while. Pretending to be someone else to get those hours paid is fraud.


Title: Re: Long-time sig campaign farm ID'd via single wallet transaction
Post by: GazetaBitcoin on February 03, 2021, 09:24:06 AM
Only theymos and Cyrus have access to IP logs, not the moderators. I would also be very surprised if it turned out they were arbitrarily looking up user's IP logs just for the fun of it without some prior suspicion or indication.
The Cryptios (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5138349.0) people have IP-access too.

Indeed. I wanted also to reply to o_e_l_e_o about this aspect, but then I noticed that LoyceV was faster than me. However, I will mention theymos' statement about Cryptios, as maybe others don't know this yet:

Cryptios's main purpose is recovering accounts, but they can also do minor patroller-type things. They are neither admins nor global moderators. They have access to IP/security logs (not PMs), but each of their accesses to private info are logged and per-day-limited; even if their access was compromised, the damage would be limited.


Title: Re: Long-time sig campaign farm ID'd via single wallet transaction
Post by: johhnyUA on February 03, 2021, 11:57:38 AM
That's sad, because figmentofmyass was in my trust list and i considered him as one of the most knowledgeable person in gambling :c

Not the first time i fucked up with people i trust  >:(  

If you have to compare this to a job, compare it to a high-paying job that expects employees to do unpaid overtime once in a while. Pretending to be someone else to get those hours paid is fraud.

In many countries even 1200 dollars per month is upper class salary. If we have 3 atls, this will be like 3600. And this is the amount which afford you to live like a baron (of course not like a king , or duke, or even earl. But as fat baron  ;D )


Title: Re: Long-time sig campaign farm ID'd via single wallet transaction
Post by: stompix on February 03, 2021, 12:30:31 PM
End my suffering and ban me now if I'm wrong about this LOL.

Bun him!!  ;D

If you have to compare this to a job,

Or maybe we should stop comparing it to anything else just for the sake of dissecting this and turning it into 7 seasons long drama about a guy suffering from DID. He did not "bend" the rules, he knew he was breaking the rules of the campaign, he did it knowingly and that's it, he cheated!
If he was such a good contributor and at this point, we all know he wasn't a shitposter he can continue to contribute to the forum, if he doesn't it means he was just posting for $ and 3 guys (hopefully 3 and not 1) will take his place(s) and everything will not be fine again as it never was in the first place  :(

And what pissed me off about this is that I agreed with exstasie on a lot of issues while arguing with figmentofmyass on nearly everything and I almost put him on ignore during last spring when the pandemic hit after reading more of his posts on the matter. Feel like I've been the protagonist in some trannysurpise episode.




Title: Re: Long-time sig campaign farm ID'd via single wallet transaction
Post by: lovesmayfamilis on February 03, 2021, 01:06:31 PM
 figmentofmyass the list of mistrust is quite surprising. There are many people who, it seems, on the contrary, need to be trusted.
https://loyce.club/trust/2021-01-30_Sat_04.10h/136484.html


But he had a different opinion. What's wrong with him? Someone was at enmity with him?
One gets the impression that he doesn't like people :( :( :(



Title: Re: Long-time sig campaign farm ID'd via single wallet transaction
Post by: bitmover on February 03, 2021, 02:15:48 PM
But.. Do you think that cm didn’t get the quality advertising they paid for because of this?
I think they still probably did, and it wouldn’t be a problem other than their specific rule to not allow alt accounts..
He is obviously a high quality poster to have achieved what he has..
I have made similar arguments in the past. As long as they are not talking to eachother, CM received advertising for xx posts, and paid for xx posts.

I would see the 50 post limit as a means to control the budget.

I would be curious if DS would be open to allowing someone in the CM campaign to apply for one of the open spots with the account he is already participating with, so that he could potentailly be paid for 100 posts/week as opposed to 50 posts per week.

I think this problem goes a little deeper than that.

I think this attitude is disrespectful towards the other members of the community .

Some of us, like nuthilda for example, are working hard to make good quality posts every week to get a slot in a sig campaign (to make money, ofc).

Then a guy uses 9 slots, breaking ethical rules. It is fair enough that the other members of the community dislike that attitude, as we were all damaged.

While he has making 0.075 btc per week in CM, 2 people could be making 0.0375, which is what CM would like to pay for.

2 people will certainly make a better post quality, in more boards, than 1.


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Where do you think he really stands now?

He is probably posts in some other alt account that was not identified, and probably already applied to CM again.


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The post quality was good enough that he was accepted into the campaign over other applicants, and was not removed when other applicants applied. 

I think this is a problem with most campaign managers imo. Managers do not remove old participants to add people with better post quality. When someone joins a campaigns, he basically stays there until the campaign ends, with very few exceptions. Probably he would not get into CM now if he applied, but as he joined years ago, he just stayed there.

There are many high paying campaign here, especially old ones, which accepted semi-spammers (which barely got 50 or 100 merits in 3 years) and they were not removed  because they were accepted before the merit system.


Title: Re: Long-time sig campaign farm ID'd via single wallet transaction
Post by: hilariousetc on February 03, 2021, 02:29:41 PM
It seems that timeloard believes one of the accounts is a farmed account connected to a different farm. IDK if the accounts are still “connected” to the same person as the connection is from several years ago. My guess is that all the accounts in the OP were likely available for sale at one point, if not actually sold.

I wouldn't trust timelord's ratings especially ones from so long ago as 2017. He used to have a bizarre habit of tying people together using twisted logic that only made sense to him. My memory is hazy but I'm pretty sure figmentofmyass was well known to belong to an account farmer or was sold at one point. That name definitely sticks out.

Another good example is this one. This guy said, "as they say", so I wondered who does he mean by "they" because I've never heard the expression said that way before. It turns out it was himself.

"as they say" is a pretty common turn of phrase. It's just being rhetorical.

Which is too bad because he's quite an intelligent guy.

He has to be intelligent for writing so much posts everyday in same campaign with 3 accounts and from bitcoin he earned this is probably his full time job, and playing poker with himself figmentofmyass vs manchester93 it's a winwin situation for him until he lose it all :D

It doesn't really take a genius to make posts here. It probably takes a decent chunk of time and effort especially to get them onto the campaign in the first place but after that making posts is relatively easy, not to mention very lucrative especially with three accounts so it's worth it. You could probably even do it in your spare time after work to be honest if you were efficient enough. He's not exactly writing thesisis with every post so typing words on a forum isn't exactly a big deal even giving his volume.


How the heck do users even post with that many accounts? They have to be posting in the same threads and answering each other. I barely post on my 1 account, couldn't imagine the hell it would be to try making quotas weekly on 10+ accounts.

Probably easier than doing a full time job. Would you rather write reports as a desk jockey all day or do manual labour all week or just make posts on a forum all day instead.

If these guys all used the same device for posting then I'd imagine one of them would've posted something using the wrong account and get busted much earlier.
Wonder if they just have a bunch of cheap chromebooks that they use to keep everything separated.

No need. Just use different browsers. If the forum used browser fingerprinting it might require this sort of effort to evade detection ultimately but the admins rarely look into things like ban evasion so they're not going to bother with sig campaigners.

I personally don’t think bending the rules of a signature campaign is all that big of a deal..
I think entering multiple alts in a free contest is much more “cheating” than breaking a sig campaign rule..
In fact I’m not even sure “cheating” the campaign is the correct word to use if he did in fact create all of that quality content and therefore quality advertising which probably had zero effect on the value of advertising he was paid to provide..


Depends on your stance really. It's obviously not a crime, but it's against the terms of service, and a lot of people here tend to think abusing campaigns this way is shady or at the very least dishonest. Chipmixer campaign is very in demand so those slots could have been given to other people so there's an issue of fairness/greed that people won't appreciate.

Also wonder if mods knew this by IP the entire time and kept their mouths shut..
Only theymos and Cyrus have access to IP logs, not the moderators. I would also be very surprised if it turned out they were arbitrarily looking up user's IP logs just for the fun of it without some prior suspicion or indication.

Correct. And this wouldn't be a forum issue anyway so not something they'd get involved with. It's probable he used proxies as well, or would have been smart to do so, but then again wouldn't have been necessary but not something you'd want to leave to chance.


It’s just more sensational because it’s chipmixer...

This isn't really true. This sort of farming/abuse has always caused a stir here and has always elicited negative feedback. The fact that it's chipmixer just means it's a bigger payday and more of a headline given the financial loss to the farmer. If someone was discovered with ten accounts on another campaign the thread would be very similar to this one.


Title: Re: Long-time sig campaign farm ID'd via single wallet transaction
Post by: JollyGood on February 03, 2021, 02:38:37 PM
Well those are just 9 that have been confirmed as connect by nutildah as part of his deceit but the true figure may never be known.

YOSHIE linked together another 5 accounts operated by the same person using figmentofmyass: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5313637.msg56250686#msg56250686



~snip~

I think this problem goes a little deeper than that.

I think this attitude is disrespectful towards the other members of the community .

Some of us, like nuthilda for example, are working hard to make good quality posts every week to get a slot in a sig campaign (to make money, ofc).

Then a guy uses 9 slots, breaking ethical rules. It is fair enough that the other members of the community dislike that attitude, as we were all damaged.

While he has making 0.075 btc per week in CM, 2 people could be making 0.0375, which is what CM would like to pay for.

2 people will certainly make a better post quality, in more boards, than 1.


Title: Re: Long-time sig campaign farm ID'd via single wallet transaction
Post by: mk4 on February 03, 2021, 04:04:39 PM
@squatter seems to have a message for you, @nutildah.

https://i.imgur.com/BHoATIM.png


Title: Re: Long-time sig campaign farm ID'd via single wallet transaction
Post by: Pmalek on February 03, 2021, 04:25:35 PM
@squatter seems to have a message for you, @nutildah.
squatter has not been online since 27 January (at least he wasn't when you made that screenshot) and nutildah created this thread on 1 February. squatter must have been talking about something else. ;D This entire thread gave me an idea and I will soon put it on paper.


Title: Re: Long-time sig campaign farm ID'd via single wallet transaction
Post by: mk4 on February 03, 2021, 04:26:14 PM
squatter has not been online since 27 January (at least he wasn't when you made that screenshot) and nutildah created this thread on 1 February. squatter must have been talking about something else. ;D This entire thread gave me an idea and I will soon put it on paper.

Hah. Yea I was just messing around.


Title: Re: Long-time sig campaign farm ID'd via single wallet transaction
Post by: suchmoon on February 03, 2021, 04:53:33 PM
@squatter seems to have a message for you, @nutildah.
squatter has not been online since 27 January (at least he wasn't when you made that screenshot) and nutildah created this thread on 1 February. squatter must have been talking about something else. ;D This entire thread gave me an idea and I will soon put it on paper.

He's had that message for years so he would have to own a time machine to make this happen. Come to think of it, a time machine would help with account farming too.


Title: Re: Long-time sig campaign farm ID'd via single wallet transaction
Post by: nutildah on February 03, 2021, 09:33:08 PM
Another good example is this one. This guy said, "as they say", so I wondered who does he mean by "they" because I've never heard the expression said that way before. It turns out it was himself.

"as they say" is a pretty common turn of phrase. It's just being rhetorical.

Since you're the second person who said this, it means I probably didn't clarify what I meant well enough. I wasn't referring to "as they say" as the odd phrase. The odd phrase is "The trend is your friend until it ends." What's odd about it is the "until it ends" part.

For example, doing a forum search for "the trend is your friend" yields 160 results; whereas searching for "the trend is your friend until it ends" yields 2 results: figmentofmyass and exstasie.

Sure.
can you provide some examples?

gentlemand https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/17P52DifaD7YfvzLkX3wrxGVpKcaPHY4y57ZpI-FK754/edit#gid=1298899162

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=155345

Stopped posting and logging in just after he was removed from the campaign, and hasn't returned since. TBH, I wouldn't be surprised if he had more accounts.

I would because gentlemand posts using a certain style of poetry that is not easily imitated, or rather can't be imitated. Somebody who is more easy to imitate and hasn't come back is 1Referee (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=308793), who stopped posting after his last week in CM as well.


Title: Re: Long-time sig campaign farm ID'd via single wallet transaction
Post by: fillippone on February 03, 2021, 11:13:22 PM
I came to this thread almost by chance, as I wanted to understand what made @nutildah skyrocket in the merit chart.

This ruined my day.

I take enormous pride in being selected in CM campaign, and I try to make sure my post deserves the quality this campaign requires.
I have always worked hard on the quality of my post, but since I have been part of this campaign I have been even more demanding on the content of my posts.
I try to be respectful to other forum users, inside this campaign and outside, as my ethics, before the forum rules, guide me treating everyone with respect and fairness.

If what nutildah is true, I find this rule-breaking behaviour disrespectful to a long series of actors: firstly, other fellow CM sig campaign participant, @Darkstar_ and even Chipmixer themselves, who directly affected by this bad behaviour. Be in mind that those users were credited with almost 10 BTC during the whole campaign.

I noticed those three users were already marked red on the campaign spreadsheet by Darkstar_, something that makes me think, together with the merits he sent to Nutildah, and of course the negative feedback, he already has a clear view of what happened.

Nevertheless, I would like to hear from him the reasons why they decided to blatantly ignore any basic rule. I think we at least deserve this.

According to @ddmrddmr Merit Dashboard, I credited 75 merits to exstasie, 24 to figmentofmyass and 6 to squatter. I deeply regret those.

  • Red tagging all of them.
  • Adding them to distrust list:
Code:
~figmentofmyass
~exstasie
~squatter
  • Leaving them Negative Feedback because I wouldn't trust dealing with them, as they showed a lack of respect toward other users.



 


Title: Re: Long-time sig campaign farm ID'd via single wallet transaction
Post by: suchmoon on February 04, 2021, 12:55:22 AM
Nevertheless, I would like to hear from him the reasons why they decided to blatantly ignore any basic rule. I think we at least deserve this.

I wouldn't expect an honest answer from a blatant cheater.

According to @ddmrddmr Merit Dashboard, I credited 75 merits to exstasie, 24 to figmentofmyass and 6 to squatter. I deeply regret those.

Why regret merits sent to presumably good posts? This is a non-issue unless you knew that these are cheating accounts (and arguably even then; cheaters can make good posts too except they tend not to do so without getting paid).

Edit - full disclaimer: I sent tons of merits to those accounts, some possibly after I had reasonable suspicions. Not going to apologize.


Title: Re: Long-time sig campaign farm ID'd via single wallet transaction
Post by: owlcatz on February 04, 2021, 02:31:53 AM
This is quite disgraceful I applied a few times with never a reply, not that I need the money, but hey, who can't resist btc right? :P

Sure, my posts may not be 100% awesome or anything, but I do tend to be quite trusted on the forum (by sane people anyhow?)... .... If that even matters anymore ... But I digress... I'm now put off by all sig campaigns if the people running it can't figure out who's blatantly cheating, ffs... ::)

So, to those that say your "trust" position matters in getting into a sig campaign, I have proven you wrong, and I have no problems with that whatsoever! :D

Let the bulls run, boyz & galz! :P


Edit well fucking done nutildah, you rock. :D


Title: Re: Long-time sig campaign farm ID'd via single wallet transaction
Post by: Vod on February 04, 2021, 03:15:26 AM
I'm now put off by all sig campaigns if the people running it can't figure out who's blatantly cheating, ffs... ::)

Remember Quickseller accused Hhampuz of scamming, but then changed his username to PrimeNumber7 and completely fooled the campaign manager into thinking he was a different person?   Today it seems everyone is so desperate they throw all their ethics away.  :/



Title: Re: Long-time sig campaign farm ID'd via single wallet transaction
Post by: owlcatz on February 04, 2021, 03:29:10 AM
Remember Quickseller accused Hhampuz of scamming, but then changed his username to PrimeNumber7 and completely fooled the campaign manager into thinking he was a different person?   Today it seems everyone is so desperate they throw all their ethics away.  :/



You really are not kidding. The amount of people I've seen toss their morals to the wind for $$ makes me sorta ill lately. :P


Title: Re: Long-time sig campaign farm ID'd via single wallet transaction
Post by: Quickseller on February 04, 2021, 03:45:49 AM

I would be curious if DS would be open to allowing someone in the CM campaign to apply for one of the open spots with the account he is already participating with, so that he could potentailly be paid for 100 posts/week as opposed to 50 posts per week.
I'm pretty sure DarkStar_ won't allow that. This rule is very clear:
1. We will pay a maximum of 50 posts every week.
I've made more than the maximum number of posts in most weeks. I didn't get paid for any posts above that, which is fine.
If you have to compare this to a job, compare it to a high-paying job that expects employees to do unpaid overtime once in a while. Pretending to be someone else to get those hours paid is fraud.
If you often make many more than the 50 post maximum, and there is an open spot, I don't see why DS would not be willing to give you a second spot, so that you would be eligible for payment from 100 posts/week, provided the additional 50 posts you make each week have been consistently better than other applicants who were applying for open spots.

For clarity, while I do think it should be okay for someone to enroll alts in a signature campaign, I also believe this should either be disclosed (at least privately to the campaign manager), or for there to not be a rule prohibiting this. Enrolling two accounts owned by one person is not something that should be done if the campaign manager is not aware, or if there is a rule prohibiting this.



Title: Re: Long-time sig campaign farm ID'd via single wallet transaction
Post by: YOSHIE on February 04, 2021, 04:16:48 AM
He has different Twitter handles for each account. Could be a treasure trove of new alt connections.
Biggest phenomenon, Alt, which is revealed in 2021.
Most likely more than we thought.

This is another Alt connected to the user @Gimmelfarb, which is the same Alt as @ HarHarHar9965 and @illinest, @figmentofmyass.

1. yeponlyone (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=12479)

Post by: Gimmelfarb (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1021399.msg12397134#msg12397134)
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Seems to be a free slot so I apply for that Smiley

Twitter account: https://twitter.com/CoinOfBits
Bitcoin Address: 1LHH1jNrnzoEWrrsJ8HNioSGMAmk2qHNMc
Recent Bet: http://luckyb.it/check?txin=a78d07110ebed5881ba10665fcf43fa312ab3020f4beea51dea594c2a93c5fd7:0
Weekly Bonus: Yes

Thank you! Smiley
https://archive.is/wip/jwEkq

Post by: yeponlyone (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=671689.msg11921181#msg11921181)
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I was not aware the LuckyBit offered this. The first two posts are a bit confusing but I apply for BADASS:

Posts: 508
BTC address: 1LHH1jNrnzoEWrrsJ8HNioSGMAmk2qHNMc

I will of course change avatar if accepted.
https://archive.is/wip/1VSWg


Title: Re: Long-time sig campaign farm ID'd via single wallet transaction
Post by: bitmover on February 04, 2021, 04:57:16 AM
If you often make many more than the 50 post maximum, and there is an open spot, I don't see why DS would not be willing to give you a second spot, so that you would be eligible for payment from 100 posts/week, provided the additional 50 posts you make each week have been consistently better than other applicants who were applying for open spots.

The thing is that when Loycev makes 50+x posts, those x posts will most likely be on the same boards and topic he already posted that week.

To maximize the exposure of the cm ad, and the efficiency of their investment, it will be much better to hire different people that will post elsewhere. Even Loyce, who writes all day here, has some posting habits, favorite boards and subjects...


Title: Re: Long-time sig campaign farm ID'd via single wallet transaction
Post by: Lorence.xD on February 04, 2021, 05:49:56 AM
You really are not kidding. The amount of people I've seen toss their morals to the wind for $$ makes me sorta ill lately. :P
It is the Internet after all, they know that they wouldn't suffer the repercussions so they can easily throw their morals away. Imagine if this is real life, we would all be civil and all because we are at an arm's reach to get punched when we do something stupid.


Title: Re: Long-time sig campaign farm ID'd via single wallet transaction
Post by: babo on February 04, 2021, 07:15:13 AM
very very good investigation


you did a huge job, congratulations indeed
as a member of this community I am truly grateful to you

I would ask myself a few questions about how the people who are part of the campaign are chosen..


Title: Re: Long-time sig campaign farm ID'd via single wallet transaction
Post by: GazetaBitcoin on February 04, 2021, 08:16:42 AM
You really are not kidding. The amount of people I've seen toss their morals to the wind for $$ makes me sorta ill lately. :P
It is the Internet after all, they know that they wouldn't suffer the repercussions so they can easily throw their morals away.

Fortunately, not all share this opinion (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5306367.0).


Title: Re: Long-time sig campaign farm ID'd via single wallet transaction
Post by: ABCbits on February 04, 2021, 09:25:52 AM
If what nutildah is true, I find this rule-breaking behaviour disrespectful to a long series of actors: firstly, other fellow CM sig campaign participant, @Darkstar_ and even Chipmixer themselves, who directly affected by this bad behaviour. Be in mind that those users were credited with almost 10 BTC during the whole campaign.

The impact is very small compared with the fact Chipmixer accept all coins, including coins from criminal activity (such as randomware and exchange hack)

According to @ddmrddmr Merit Dashboard, I credited 75 merits to exstasie, 24 to figmentofmyass and 6 to squatter. I deeply regret those.

Why regret if the posts you merited are useful/helpful to other member?


Title: Re: Long-time sig campaign farm ID'd via single wallet transaction
Post by: TheBeardedBaby on February 04, 2021, 09:46:19 AM
Almost everyone are here for the money. If the signature campaigns and the bounties are gone for lets say a year, you'll see the real face of many that pretend they care about the forum. The signature benefits were supposed to be some beer money for the time people spent and enjoy here but the greed has turn this into a business.
 


Title: Re: Long-time sig campaign farm ID'd via single wallet transaction
Post by: LoyceV on February 04, 2021, 10:34:47 AM
I've made more than the maximum number of posts in most weeks. I didn't get paid for any posts above that, which is fine.
If you often make many more than the 50 post maximum, and there is an open spot, I don't see why DS would not be willing to give you a second spot, so that you would be eligible for payment from 100 posts/week
That would make me look very greedy, which I don't like. I have a good thing going here, I get paid a not insignificant amount for posting on a forum. I'm fine with that :)

The thing is that when Loycev makes 50+x posts, those x posts will most likely be on the same boards and topic he already posted that week.
True. I've only been Merited on 41 boards :P

Almost everyone are here for the money.
I admit I'm not here for the girls :D

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The signature benefits were supposed to be some beer money
I'd be continuously drunk if I spend all signature earnings on beer.


Title: Re: Long-time sig campaign farm ID'd via single wallet transaction
Post by: fillippone on February 04, 2021, 10:47:34 AM
According to @ddmrddmr Merit Dashboard, I credited 75 merits to exstasie, 24 to figmentofmyass and 6 to squatter. I deeply regret those.

Why regret if the posts you merited are useful/helpful to other member?

Why regret merits sent to presumably good posts? This is a non-issue unless you knew that these are cheating accounts (and arguably even then; cheaters can make good posts too except they tend not to do so without getting paid).

Edit - full disclaimer: I sent tons of merits to those accounts, some possibly after I had reasonable suspicions. Not going to apologize.

Although merits signal good effort post, and for sure a cheater can write good effort posts, I regret I unwillingly helped them i their cheat to the system and disrespectful activity here on the forum.
I never had any suspicions about being the same person.
In any case, regretting and apologising are two very different things.


Almost everyone are here for the money. If the signature campaigns and the bounties are gone for lets say a year, you'll see the real face of many that pretend they care about the forum. The signature benefits were supposed to be some beer money for the time people spent and enjoy here but the greed has turn this into a business.
 

As you know I was here before signing in any campaign, and I will still be here after I get kicked out the most scammy campaign.
Sorry, I am here for other reasons: my love for Bitcoin, the protocol, rather than the money. Of course, stacking sats via a campaign is a very nice, welcomed add to this, but what I learnt here is way more valuable.


The thing is that when Loycev makes 50+x posts, those x posts will most likely be on the same boards and topic he already posted that week.

Bitcoin is a difficult subject: it's natural everyone tends to posts on subjects/topics/area he understands the better or where they think they can provide added value.
This is anyway ultimately something that concerns the campaign manager, not other users.
I think anyway that LoyceV is one of the most prolific and diverse-board posters here on the forum: I vaguely remember a table on that and he was topping this with suchmoon on the number of the different board he sourced his merits from.

EDIT: See LoyceV commented on the same quote.


Title: Re: Long-time sig campaign farm ID'd via single wallet transaction
Post by: hilariousetc on February 04, 2021, 11:39:44 AM
If you often make many more than the 50 post maximum, and there is an open spot, I don't see why DS would not be willing to give you a second spot, so that you would be eligible for payment from 100 posts/week, provided the additional 50 posts you make each week have been consistently better than other applicants who were applying for open spots.

This wouldn't be a good idea and definitely isn't fair to others. I'm sure there are lots of people who can, would or do make more than their paid amount, but if this became a thing there would be a hell of a lot more people trying to go for multiple spots. It's best just to keep it at one per person and if someone makes more than their allotted 50 post maximum then that's not only just a bonus for Chipmixer but also proves that that person isn't posting just to get paid. Either way, I would be very surprised if Darkstar started doing something like this. He might as well just up the maximum post count to 100 or something to make it fairer but 50 post a week is a pretty nice amount and works out to 10 a day 5 days a week. Any more and people would probably start forcing themselves to make more posts which isn't good. 

For clarity, while I do think it should be okay for someone to enroll alts in a signature campaign, I also believe this should either be disclosed (at least privately to the campaign manager), or for there to not be a rule prohibiting this. Enrolling two accounts owned by one person is not something that should be done if the campaign manager is not aware, or if there is a rule prohibiting this.

Most people aren't going to disclose their alts unless it's already public knowledge, but they don't do that because most campaigns strictly prohibit multiple accounts so that's why people keep it on the hush hush. I very much doubt things are going to change regarding that or how people treat 'cheaters' of campaigns. It's best to just not get greedy and keep it to one account per campaign or certainly don't get caught but there's likely always going to be consequences for those that do.


Title: Re: Long-time sig campaign farm ID'd via single wallet transaction
Post by: bitmover on February 04, 2021, 01:19:28 PM
The thing is that when Loycev makes 50+x posts, those x posts will most likely be on the same boards and topic he already posted that week.
True. I've only been Merited on 41 boards :P

lol that's quite a lot.

But I don't think you are merited in 41 boards everyweek  :P

That would be an interesting stat to see. Merited boards per week per user.

I will try to make something like that


Title: Re: Long-time sig campaign farm ID'd via single wallet transaction
Post by: GazetaBitcoin on February 04, 2021, 01:32:29 PM
Almost everyone are here for the money.
I admit I'm not here for the girls :D

I don't know about you, but

https://i.ibb.co/C5vs1gR/FC2fPSu.jpg



Title: Re: Long-time sig campaign farm ID'd via single wallet transaction
Post by: JollyGood on February 04, 2021, 01:41:43 PM
Remember Quickseller accused Hhampuz of scamming, but then changed his username to PrimeNumber7 and completely fooled the campaign manager into thinking he was a different person?   Today it seems everyone is so desperate they throw all their ethics away.  :/
Ethics and morals versus BTC or cash? I think judging by the way things are going in the forum and have been for several years it is clear money/BTC trumps ethics and morals.

There are many a person in the forum here that will gladly throw their grandmother under a bus for the sake of pocketing some cash. I remember the scammers and shills that pumped various scam threads such as Minex and countless others when they knew it was  scam, after we had pointed out it was a scam but they took money from their paymasters and continued to scam newbies and innocent gullible users for the sake of pocketing some cash knowing full and well that those investors would suffer huge losses.

Forum or no forum, mostly it seems morals, values and ethics have no mean nothing when it comes to getting some crypto or cash.


Remember Quickseller accused Hhampuz of scamming, but then changed his username to PrimeNumber7 and completely fooled the campaign manager into thinking he was a different person?   Today it seems everyone is so desperate they throw all their ethics away.  :/

You really are not kidding. The amount of people I've seen toss their morals to the wind for $$ makes me sorta ill lately. :P
My sentiments exactly.


Almost everyone are here for the money.
I admit I'm not here for the girls :D
While the system in the forum is set up in such a way that people can make money from it then that will happen. I made over 10,000 posts before I joined my first signature campaign in late 2020, sure not all of my posts were of significance or high quality but overall I believe I contributed positively to the forum more than not then decided I would start earning money while kept on posting. Nothing wrong with that.

Even if there was no way of making money here I would still post if not regularly then definitely from time to time.


Title: Re: Long-time sig campaign farm ID'd via single wallet transaction
Post by: DaveF on February 04, 2021, 06:34:16 PM
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The signature benefits were supposed to be some beer money
I'd be continuously drunk if I spend all signature earnings on beer.

Depends on the beer:
https://leesliquorlv.com/product/sam-adams-utopias/

Anyway back on topic, when I see this happening on the ETH token pump and dump signature of the week although there is work involved in tracking those accounts I always question if it's worth the time and effort.

When you see something like this and the amount of BTC involved the answer is obviously yes.
I just find it kind of interesting that with the amount of jealousy that people have towards the people in the CM campaign that nobody dug it up before. I figured there would be users that went though and crosschecked everything everyone posted and every address used just so they could get someone bounced out and they could get in.

-Dave




Title: Re: Long-time sig campaign farm ID'd via single wallet transaction
Post by: amishmanish on February 05, 2021, 06:07:42 AM
Wow. Another bunch of skeletons in the closet. @eddie13 asked a lot of good questions and that is what the community should be discussing.

Do you guys hope he stops posting on all of his accounts and goes away forever, or do you think he is still a somewhat valuable member of the community even though he gamed the system to make more coin?
Against hop hopen, I hope he comes back and uses this anonymity to come clean with the story of how he feels about doing this  and shares his thought process about the "ethics" of it all.


Would an admission and apology from him help any?
Where do you think he really stands now?
I don't think an apology means anything. Down the apology route, he can probably as easily exploit the anonymity and attempt a convincing backstory about the pooling of funds.


Also wonder if mods knew this by IP the entire time and kept their mouths shut..
This is important to know. It'll be great if the mods can clarify this.. Whether they actually scrutinize IP logs for wrongdoing?? The least the mods can do is look at the IP logs of those accounts and see for themselves whether it was possible to identify them? This would probably bring some form of closure to those who feel cheated that the most aspirational Sig campaign on the forum was exploited for so long.

Any community needs to set standards as to what is called wrongdoing; what is an exploit and what is ethically wrong. The crypto community has a way to equivocate on a lot of issues concerning ethics as and when it serves them right. All the righteous rage that plenty of newbies and the not-so-articulate here suffer means little to nothing when this sort of a thing happens right under our collective noses.
@nutildah of course deserves all the kudos and merits (and a CM seat) for seeing the pattern.


Title: Re: Long-time sig campaign farm ID'd via single wallet transaction
Post by: hilariousetc on February 05, 2021, 10:34:32 AM

Against hop hopen, I hope he comes back and uses this anonymity to come clean with the story of how he feels about doing this  and shares his thought process about the "ethics" of it all.

I doubt whatever he says will change anything so it's probably futile offering explanations or excuses. It's hardly a crime what he did and he could have just seen it as having multiple jobs or sources of income. I think the people who want a spot on the campaign might not see it like that but at the end of the day he probably did it just because he could and it's relatively easy money. Would it matter to most if he really needed the money or it was his only source of income? Doubt it.


Also wonder if mods knew this by IP the entire time and kept their mouths shut..
This is important to know. It'll be great if the mods can clarify this.. Whether they actually scrutinize IP logs for wrongdoing?? The least the mods can do is look at the IP logs of those accounts and see for themselves whether it was possible to identify them? This would probably bring some form of closure to those who feel cheated that the most aspirational Sig campaign on the forum was exploited for so long.

Read my above post. It's none of the admins or mods business. Only admins have access to IPs and having multiple accounts isn't against the rules nor would they care about what campaigns they were on so it's not something they would look into and certainly wouldn't share that info. I can guarantee you there have been worse abuses than this gone on in the past and I'm sure there's many more who are doing stuff like this that we don't know about especially in the alt coin campaign world, but it's not something staff would get involved with unless it breaks the rules. All it would take would be to use a proxy for each account and staff would be non the wiser anyway.


Title: Re: Long-time sig campaign farm ID'd via single wallet transaction
Post by: bitmover on February 05, 2021, 12:50:57 PM
Would it matter to most if he really needed the money or it was his only source of income? Doubt it.

I doubt it would matter as well... He cheated not only the campaing but the other participants of the forum.

He was aware of the risks. And it was worth it.
Even now that those accounts are worthless, he made much more money with multiple accounts than he would make using only 1 account.

 He was able to receive 2x the highest payment campaing in the forum for months... Long term receiving multiple payments from many campaings.



To say it was his only source of income and he needed the money, so he can cheat and the rest of the forum must be understanding is dangerous. There are people in Brazil who tries to justify robbery with the same argument.
What about the people who are legit trying to get one spot, and also need the money and it is their only source of income? I think ethics should always come first.

It is not a crime what he did. But it damaged other users, damaged CM and the campaign manager.

And it is a hell lot of money. He received probably around 2-5 BTC... We are talking about hundred thousand dollars


Title: Re: Long-time sig campaign farm ID'd via single wallet transaction
Post by: pugman on February 05, 2021, 09:18:01 PM
I won't lie but i loved conversations with exstasie/figmentofmyass/squatter. They were extremely useful and helpful users of bitcointalk.

...why WHY did you have to cheat with alts  >:(:(

This fiasco reminds of the whole warningsigns situation, HE WAS SUCH A GOOD POSTER. He scammed condoras  (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4508262.0)and ran away :(. Fuck man they were some of the elite level posters of BTT. why am i saying they, ITS A SINGLE PERSONkh grhjscbjakd

PS. I cant grammar today.


Title: Re: Long-time sig campaign farm ID'd via single wallet transaction
Post by: malevolent on February 05, 2021, 11:37:19 PM
To say it was his only source of income and he needed the money, so he can cheat and the rest of the forum must be understanding is dangerous. There are people in Brazil who tries to justify robbery with the same argument.

Are you really comparing using alts to go around campaign rules to a violent crime?

What about the people who are legit trying to get one spot, and also need the money and it is their only source of income? I think ethics should always come first.


Well, if someone treats it as a job (keep in mind that ChipMixer doesn't even have weekly post minimums), they're on the wrong forum. And relying on a potentially ephemeral sig campaign as a sole mean of income is financially foolish, to say the least. Theymos could theoretically one day straight up ban signatures, what is such a person going to do then?

It is not a crime what he did. But it damaged other users, damaged CM and the campaign manager.

Considering the fact that he was undiscovered for three years, no one reported him for spamming or posting low quality posts, no mod or admin banned him, the campaign manager kept paying him, and ChipMixer themselves happily continued on making payments, it's hard to speak of any damage.

And it is a hell lot of money. He received probably around 2-5 BTC... We are talking about hundred thousand dollars

Way more than '2-5 BTC'. Remember, he tended to make close to 50 posts per week for three years, on two, sometimes three of his accounts.


Title: Re: Long-time sig campaign farm ID'd via single wallet transaction
Post by: fillippone on February 06, 2021, 12:15:13 AM
And it is a hell lot of money. He received probably around 2-5 BTC... We are talking about hundred thousand dollars


Way more than '2-5 BTC'. Remember, he tended to make close to 50 posts per week for three years, on two, sometimes three of his accounts.

According to my back of the envelope computations:

Code:
figmentofmyass	3.693
exstasie 3.857
squatter 2.01

For a total of 9.56 BTC.
I don't care if it is too much of too low if those btcs came from exchange hacks or not.
This is money they stole from other people who didn't get into the campaign simply because they broke the rules.



Title: Re: Long-time sig campaign farm ID'd via single wallet transaction
Post by: malevolent on February 06, 2021, 12:43:46 AM
According to my back of the envelope computations:

Code:
figmentofmyass	3.693
exstasie 3.857
squatter 2.01

For a total of 9.56 BTC.
I don't care if it is too much of too low if those btcs came from exchange hacks or not.
This is money they stole from other people who didn't get into the campaign simply because they broke the rules.

It's a form of fraud at worst since he knowingly broke the campaign rules he agreed to abide by when signing up. But he kept getting paid for so long without getting banned from the forum or booted from the campaign that it's hard to deny that ChipMixer was getting their money's worth. It's obvious why there's a weekly limit of 50 posts - to maintain some level of post quality and to limit campaign spending. He never got paid for more than 50 post per week per account, and it's not like any of his accounts were 'ghost employees' no one knew of.

And it sounds even more ludicrous to claim other uninvolved third parties were somehow 'victimized' because of FomA 'hogging' campaign slots when it's an affair entirely between ChipMixer represented by DarkStar_ and whoever he accepts.


Title: Re: Long-time sig campaign farm ID'd via single wallet transaction
Post by: suchmoon on February 06, 2021, 01:27:14 AM
And it sounds even more ludicrous to claim other uninvolved third parties were somehow 'victimized' because of FomA 'hogging' campaign slots when it's an affair entirely between ChipMixer represented by DarkStar_ and whoever he accepts.

That's a bit like calling Lance Armstrong's competitors "uninvolved third parties" :). If DarkStar_ knew that they were alts he wouldn't have accepted them so deception resulted in someone losing out.

If I created a thread giving $100 to first 10 users who reply, and stipulated that no alts are allowed, someone cheating with 3 accounts would be essentially stealing from users who reply #11 and #12. This FOMA situation is not much different.


Title: Re: Long-time sig campaign farm ID'd via single wallet transaction
Post by: Quickseller on February 06, 2021, 02:19:22 AM
To say it was his only source of income and he needed the money, so he can cheat and the rest of the forum must be understanding is dangerous. There are people in Brazil who tries to justify robbery with the same argument.

Are you really comparing using alts to go around campaign rules to a violent crime?

It is this kind of argument that makes the argument in favor of saying figmentofmyass was wrong to lose credibility.

figmentofmyass lied about his alts when he enrolled his alts in the CM campaign, and that is wrong. He did not steal money from anyone, and he certainly did not commit violence against anyone. He provided a service, and received payment for said service.

Instead of making extremist viewpoints, anyone who is upset about figmentofmyass should be honest about what he did, and the extent as to how much damage he caused.


Title: Re: Long-time sig campaign farm ID'd via single wallet transaction
Post by: owlcatz on February 06, 2021, 02:33:16 AM
It is this kind of argument that makes the argument in favor of saying figmentofmyass was wrong to lose credibility.

figmentofmyass lied about his alts when he enrolled his alts in the CM campaign, and that is wrong. He did not steal money from anyone, and he certainly did not commit violence against anyone. He provided a service, and received payment for said service.

Instead of making extremist viewpoints, anyone who is upset about figmentofmyass should be honest about what he did, and the extent as to how much damage he caused.

LOL - This is pretty ironic coming from someone who is using an alt in another sig campaign (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2561166), but whatever...

This guy made over a quarter million USD in BTC. Did anybody trace when it got spent, or is it just sitting etc? Like someone mentioned earlier, I just assumed people were all over that spreadsheet checking shit. ::)


Title: Re: Long-time sig campaign farm ID'd via single wallet transaction
Post by: JollyGood on February 06, 2021, 02:35:00 AM
That is just the amount of known BTC he made from the Chipmixer campaign but what about the all the other known and other unknown/undiscoverd accounts that were used in other signature campaigns? The true extent of his manipulation may never be known though connected accounts might be discovered from time to time.



According to my back of the envelope computations:

Code:
figmentofmyass	3.693
exstasie 3.857
squatter 2.01

For a total of 9.56 BTC.
I don't care if it is too much of too low if those btcs came from exchange hacks or not.
This is money they stole from other people who didn't get into the campaign simply because they broke the rules.


Title: Re: Long-time sig campaign farm ID'd via single wallet transaction
Post by: amishmanish on February 06, 2021, 04:06:08 AM

Against hop hopen, I hope he comes back and uses this anonymity to come clean with the story of how he feels about doing this  and shares his thought process about the "ethics" of it all.

I doubt whatever he says will change anything so it's probably futile offering explanations or excuses.
My "hope" is basically to get a peek into the minds of this fraudster and not really about him asking for an apology. He is anonymous. He could easily write a short memoir and it'll be a hit.
Would it matter to most if he really needed the money or it was his only source of income? Doubt it.
Yeah it wouldn't and it shouldn't. Third worlder newbie accounts have been negged and shamed for much less. The forum is filled with lots of stories and the pure disdain shown by the elite lot including CM participants equivocating on this. I cannot check all his post history but i guess "Ass" and his alts never engaged in the shaming as they were doing the same.

Only admins have access to IPs and having multiple accounts isn't against the rules nor would they care about what campaigns they were on so it's not something they would look into and certainly wouldn't share that info.
Okay so they do not have the capability to investigate. Got it.

--snip--
And it sounds even more ludicrous to claim other uninvolved third parties were somehow 'victimized' because of FomA 'hogging' campaign slots when it's an affair entirely between ChipMixer represented by DarkStar_ and whoever he accepts.
It doesn't sound ludicrous at all. Ass broke campaign rules to hog the spots which could as well have gone to someone else. Considering that 100+ applicants apply for the spots and only 1-2 get in, it is unfair to those who could have been selected.

Then there is the whole issue of decency and conduct. As Staff, it is understood that you cannot make enforceable "rules" about conduct and cannot define decency.  This is subjective but its importance shouldn't be diluted, least of all by staff; by refusing to take a stand on the ethical debate over such actions.

Those talking about CM campaign getting its moneys worth, well, you will find multiple comments on the forum about how CM members are some of the best members of the forum. All of that is up in the air now. Who knows, there could be more of such things within the forum. Maybe there actually is this kind of nexus between a select few and the forum/ campaign has been milked by them while at the same time proselytizing about "Spam" and "ICO scams".

That is just the amount of known BTC he made from the Chipmixer campaign but what about the all the other known and other unknown/undiscoverd accounts that were used in other signature campaigns? The true extent of his manipulation may never be known though connected accounts might be discovered from time to time.
Ass may well be reading and smiling right now. I think the lesson to be drawn from this is that decentralized and anonymous systems will never really be able to implement even a semblance of fair business practices. There will always be the need for a way to track participant actions that affect the business. While this forum and bitcoiners proselytize about the benefits of "decentralization", they accept wrongdoing, fraud and plain corruption as "sleight of hand". We all accept this "He did it because he could, lets forget about it" mentality over such things. This is one of the biggest hurdles for the concept of decentralization to truly become useful. Because if you are going to be vulnerable to the same scheming and collusion, why really bother to change the present system. Lets just keep morals, ethics aside and everybody go mooooooon.


Title: Re: Long-time sig campaign farm ID'd via single wallet transaction
Post by: YOSHIE on February 06, 2021, 05:25:09 AM
I'm a little curious about the discovery of Alt's account that was involved cheating in the CM campaign.

The first Alt named:@exstasie was found by: @Timelord2067 via a Btc transaction and was found by:@nutildah, currently.

What made me curious, they never came here and gave the reason for the case found by: @nutildah, belief, they were indeed Alt who was involved in cheating.

Question:
1. Do they really have 100 Alt accounts on this forum, no matter what this incident happened.
2. Did they watch what was said in this topic.


My question arose when I saw the first discovery made by:@Timelord2067.
I see the red trust given by:@Timelord2067 there is an Alt named: @Wipeout2097.

https://zizihub.com/feeb76.jpg
Trust: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=154539



And I saw:@Wipeout2097 connected and using Eth Twitter, telegram, the same the three of them.
I am curious that they are active right now, if, @Wipeout2097 and @exstasie are Alt, that means: they are watching and seeing all this happening.
My belief is of course: @exstasie there is another Alt account that can be played here, if at any time he can make the same thing again in this forum in the campaign.

For example a connected Alt:

1. Wipeout2097 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=140481)
2. angrynerd88 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=215377)
3. mega (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=125571)

Addresses used by: @Wipeout2097 and @angrynerd88 are the same.

Proof:

#PROOF OF REGISTRATION
Forum Username: Wipeout2097
Forum Profile Link: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=140481
Telegram Username: @MillionaireMindsetter
Participated Campaigns:Signature
ETH Wallet Address: 0xFAd4097dcFd2784206953542bd5Cc5c4663c6AB0
https://archive.is/wip/BKxqW

Post by: angrynerd88 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5286844.msg55682077#msg55682077)
Quote
#PROOF OF AUTHENTICATION
Nama Pengguna
Forum : angrynerd88 Link Profil Forum: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=215377
Jumlah Posting: 1137
Peringkat Forum: Sr.
Tanda Tangan Anggota dan avatar ditambahkan: Ya
ERC-20 Dompet: 0xFAd4097dcFd2784206953542bd5Cc5c4663c6AB0
https://archive.is/wip/6BaTL


Proof:

Telegram and Twitter used by: @mega and @angrynerd88 and @Wipeout2097 are the same.

Proof of authentication
Bitcointalk Username:mega
Telegram Username:@MillionaireMindsetter
Twitter Username:@SHOAIBNAZEERR
Retweet Link:https://twitter.com/ethaget/status/1182980077849440257
https://archive.is/wip/KHhFc

Proof of authentication
- Campaigns applied for:signature
- Bitcointalk username:angrynerd88
- Bitcointalk link:https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=215377;sa=showPosts
- Telegram link:@MillionaireMindsetter
- Facebook link:https://web.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100010431162950
- Twitter link:https://twitter.com/SHOAIBNAZEERR
- Instagram link:https://www.instagram.com/shoaibnazeermahar/
- Emirex ID:UID : ID5E0385D515
https://archive.is/wip/4OzWJ

What do you guys think about this matter.

Do they have, one warehouse, Alt account on this forum.


Title: Re: Long-time sig campaign farm ID'd via single wallet transaction
Post by: Quickseller on February 06, 2021, 05:41:55 AM
Question:
1. Do they really have 100 Alt accounts on this forum, no matter what this incident happened.
Here is what I believe:
Seller "A" has a farm of accounts, and he makes mistakes so his accounts are connected.
Account seller/farmer "B" has a farm of accounts, and he makes mistakes so all his accounts are connected.
Buyer/spammer "C" buys one account from both "A" and "B" and he makes mistakes so both of his accounts are connected.
It now appears as if one person owns all of "A"'s and "B"'s accounts, but this is not actually true.

In order to confirm if two accounts are controlled by the same person, you need to rule out that any of the accounts had changed hands after the date of the connection.


Title: Re: Long-time sig campaign farm ID'd via single wallet transaction
Post by: nutildah on February 06, 2021, 06:33:36 AM
And I saw:@Wipeout2097 connected and using Eth Twitter, telegram, the same the three of them.
I am curious that they are active right now, if, @Wipeout2097 and @exstasie are Alt, that means: they are watching and seeing all this happening.
My belief is of course: @exstasie there is another Alt account that can be played here, if at any time he can make the same thing again in this forum in the campaign.

Wipeout2097 was sold/hacked in May 2017, there's a huge posting gap between 2014 and 2017 for this user, and they come back knowing next to nothing about bitcoin. But I don't see the actual connection between Wipeout2097 and exstasie.

In order to confirm if two accounts are controlled by the same person, you need to rule out that any of the accounts had changed hands after the date of the connection.

Doesn't matter. If one account can be connected to another through social media links, or even better the blockchain, they are for the purposes of this forum the same person. If you buy an account and it gets banned for plagiarism you didn't commit, the account should stay banned. Same goes for any type of scammer tags -- they should be copied to all connected accounts.

Most of the time its just bounty hunters who need multiple accounts, but sometimes people need them to rebroadcast shitty opinions by echoing them across two accounts in the same thread.


Title: Re: Long-time sig campaign farm ID'd via single wallet transaction
Post by: LoyceV on February 06, 2021, 08:37:56 AM
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2. Vod (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=30747) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=30747)  +32 / =1 / -1) (DT1! (16) 1875 Merit earned (https://loyce.club/Merit/history/30747.html)) (Trust list (https://loyce.club/trust/2021-02-06_Sat_23.22h/30747.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/Profile?p=Vod))
3. ibminer (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=84866) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=84866)  +3 / =0 / -0) (919 Merit earned (https://loyce.club/Merit/history/84866.html)) (Trust list (https://loyce.club/trust/2021-02-06_Sat_23.22h/84866.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/Profile?p=ibminer))
4. Lauda (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=101872) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=101872)  +38 / =17 / -6) (1871 Merit earned (https://loyce.club/Merit/history/101872.html)) (Trust list (https://loyce.club/trust/2021-02-06_Sat_23.22h/101872.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/Profile?p=Lauda))
5. Timelord2067 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=131361) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=131361)  +9 / =7 / -1) (DT1 (-9) 574 Merit earned (https://loyce.club/Merit/history/131361.html)) (Trust list (https://loyce.club/trust/2021-02-06_Sat_23.22h/131361.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/Profile?p=Timelord2067))
6. mindrust (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=176777) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=176777) neutral) (DT1 (-1) 1121 Merit earned (https://loyce.club/Merit/history/176777.html)) (Trust list (https://loyce.club/trust/2021-02-06_Sat_23.22h/176777.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/Profile?p=mindrust))
7. NEW NeuroticFish (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=257071) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=257071) neutral) (920 Merit earned (https://loyce.club/Merit/history/257071.html)) (Trust list (https://loyce.club/trust/2021-02-06_Sat_23.22h/257071.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/Profile?p=NeuroticFish))
8. NEW DaveF (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=300014) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=300014)  +26 / =1 / -0) (1193 Merit earned (https://loyce.club/Merit/history/300014.html)) (Trust list (https://loyce.club/trust/2021-02-06_Sat_23.22h/300014.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/Profile?p=DaveF))
9. nutildah (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=317618) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=317618)  +13 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (16) 3322 Merit earned (https://loyce.club/Merit/history/317618.html)) (Trust list (https://loyce.club/trust/2021-02-06_Sat_23.22h/317618.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/Profile?p=nutildah))
10. NEW ranochigo (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=334898) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=334898)  +10 / =0 / -0) (858 Merit earned (https://loyce.club/Merit/history/334898.html)) (Trust list (https://loyce.club/trust/2021-02-06_Sat_23.22h/334898.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/Profile?p=ranochigo))
11. NEW yahoo62278 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=355846) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=355846)  +25 / =2 / -0) (DT1! (24) 1577 Merit earned (https://loyce.club/Merit/history/355846.html)) (Trust list (https://loyce.club/trust/2021-02-06_Sat_23.22h/355846.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/Profile?p=yahoo62278))
12. NEW Royse777 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=366632) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=366632)  +5 / =0 / -0) (1235 Merit earned (https://loyce.club/Merit/history/366632.html)) (Trust list (https://loyce.club/trust/2021-02-06_Sat_23.22h/366632.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/Profile?p=Royse777))
13. Vadi2323 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=399366) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=399366)  +1 / =3 / -1) (173 Merit earned (https://loyce.club/Merit/history/399366.html)) (Trust list (https://loyce.club/trust/2021-02-06_Sat_23.22h/399366.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/Profile?p=Vadi2323))
14. kken01 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=415400) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=415400) neutral) (9 Merit earned (https://loyce.club/Merit/history/415400.html)) (Trust list (https://loyce.club/trust/2021-02-06_Sat_23.22h/415400.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/Profile?p=kken01))
15. NEW DarkStar_ (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=507936) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=507936)  +54 / =1 / -0) (1520 Merit earned (https://loyce.club/Merit/history/507936.html)) (Trust list (https://loyce.club/trust/2021-02-06_Sat_23.22h/507936.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/Profile?p=DarkStar_))
16. NEW TryNinja (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=557798) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=557798) neutral) (DT1! (6) 2621 Merit earned (https://loyce.club/Merit/history/557798.html)) (Trust list (https://loyce.club/trust/2021-02-06_Sat_23.22h/557798.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/Profile?p=TryNinja))
17. marlboroza (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=787736) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=787736)  +15 / =0 / -0) (1746 Merit earned (https://loyce.club/Merit/history/787736.html)) (Trust list (https://loyce.club/trust/2021-02-06_Sat_23.22h/787736.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/Profile?p=marlboroza))
18. NEW crwth (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=914465) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=914465)  +6 / =1 / -0) (DT1! (6) 706 Merit earned (https://loyce.club/Merit/history/914465.html)) (Trust list (https://loyce.club/trust/2021-02-06_Sat_23.22h/914465.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/Profile?p=crwth))
19. nullius (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=976210) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=976210)  +5 / =4 / -1) (DT1 (-6) 2131 Merit earned (https://loyce.club/Merit/history/976210.html)) (Trust list (https://loyce.club/trust/2021-02-06_Sat_23.22h/976210.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/Profile?p=nullius))
20. JollyGood (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1016855) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=1016855)  +11 / =0 / -0) (825 Merit earned (https://loyce.club/Merit/history/1016855.html)) (Trust list (https://loyce.club/trust/2021-02-06_Sat_23.22h/1016855.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/Profile?p=JollyGood))
21. NEW El duderino_ (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1067333) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=1067333)  +23 / =2 / -0) (DT1! (10) 4735 Merit earned (https://loyce.club/Merit/history/1067333.html)) (Trust list (https://loyce.club/trust/2021-02-06_Sat_23.22h/1067333.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/Profile?p=El duderino_))
22. NEW amishmanish (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1107844) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=1107844)  +1 / =0 / -0) (668 Merit earned (https://loyce.club/Merit/history/1107844.html)) (Trust list (https://loyce.club/trust/2021-02-06_Sat_23.22h/1107844.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/Profile?p=amishmanish))
23. NEW icopress (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1137579) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=1137579)  +5 / =0 / -0) (515 Merit earned (https://loyce.club/Merit/history/1137579.html)) (Trust list (https://loyce.club/trust/2021-02-06_Sat_23.22h/1137579.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/Profile?p=icopress))
24. NEW rhomelmabini (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1255873) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=1255873) neutral) (432 Merit earned (https://loyce.club/Merit/history/1255873.html)) (Trust list (https://loyce.club/trust/2021-02-06_Sat_23.22h/1255873.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/Profile?p=rhomelmabini))
25. NEW Maus0728 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1289002) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=1289002)  +4 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (5) 917 Merit earned (https://loyce.club/Merit/history/1289002.html)) (Trust list (https://loyce.club/trust/2021-02-06_Sat_23.22h/1289002.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/Profile?p=Maus0728))
26. NEW TheBeardedBaby (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1291828) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=1291828)  +6 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (10) 2373 Merit earned (https://loyce.club/Merit/history/1291828.html)) (Trust list (https://loyce.club/trust/2021-02-06_Sat_23.22h/1291828.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/Profile?p=TheBeardedBaby))
27. dkbit98 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1410401) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=1410401)  +12 / =1 / -0) (DT1! (8) 1485 Merit earned (https://loyce.club/Merit/history/1410401.html)) (Trust list (https://loyce.club/trust/2021-02-06_Sat_23.22h/1410401.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/Profile?p=dkbit98))
28. NEW bitmover (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1554927) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=1554927) neutral) (2231 Merit earned (https://loyce.club/Merit/history/1554927.html)) (Trust list (https://loyce.club/trust/2021-02-06_Sat_23.22h/1554927.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/Profile?p=bitmover))
29. NEW fillippone (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1852120) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=1852120)  +10 / =1 / -0) (DT1! (16) 4921 Merit earned (https://loyce.club/Merit/history/1852120.html)) (Trust list (https://loyce.club/trust/2021-02-06_Sat_23.22h/1852120.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/Profile?p=fillippone))
30. TalkStar (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2136362) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=2136362)  +12 / =0 / -0) (691 Merit earned (https://loyce.club/Merit/history/2136362.html)) (Trust list (https://loyce.club/trust/2021-02-06_Sat_23.22h/2136362.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/Profile?p=TalkStar))
31. efialtis (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2597426) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=2597426)  +16 / =1 / -0) (1167 Merit earned (https://loyce.club/Merit/history/2597426.html)) (Trust list (https://loyce.club/trust/2021-02-06_Sat_23.22h/2597426.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/Profile?p=efialtis))
32. NEW zasad@ (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2654005) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=2654005)  +3 / =1 / -0) (DT1! (8) 2144 Merit earned (https://loyce.club/Merit/history/2654005.html)) (Trust list (https://loyce.club/trust/2021-02-06_Sat_23.22h/2654005.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/Profile?p=zasad@))
33. NEW Rikafip (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2658890) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=2658890)  +7 / =1 / -0) (DT1! (8) 1772 Merit earned (https://loyce.club/Merit/history/2658890.html)) (Trust list (https://loyce.club/trust/2021-02-06_Sat_23.22h/2658890.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/Profile?p=Rikafip))
34. NEW FatFork (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2738899) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=2738899)  +2 / =0 / -0) (312 Merit earned (https://loyce.club/Merit/history/2738899.html)) (Trust list (https://loyce.club/trust/2021-02-06_Sat_23.22h/2738899.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/Profile?p=FatFork))

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Trust list for: exstasie (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=154539) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=154539)  +0 / =0 / -6) (1006 Merit earned (https://loyce.club/Merit/history/154539.html)) (Trust list (https://loyce.club/trust/2021-02-06_Sat_23.22h/154539.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/Profile?p=exstasie))

exstasie's judgement is Trusted by:
1. El duderino_ (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1067333) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=1067333)  +23 / =2 / -0) (DT1! (10) 4735 Merit earned (https://loyce.club/Merit/history/1067333.html)) (Trust list (https://loyce.club/trust/2021-02-06_Sat_23.22h/1067333.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/Profile?p=El duderino_))
2. dragonvslinux (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1170966) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=1170966)  +2 / =1 / -2) (560 Merit earned (https://loyce.club/Merit/history/1170966.html)) (Trust list (https://loyce.club/trust/2021-02-06_Sat_23.22h/1170966.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/Profile?p=dragonvslinux))

~exstasie's judgement is Distrusted by:
1. Timelord2067 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=131361) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=131361)  +9 / =7 / -1) (DT1 (-9) 574 Merit earned (https://loyce.club/Merit/history/131361.html)) (Trust list (https://loyce.club/trust/2021-02-06_Sat_23.22h/131361.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/Profile?p=Timelord2067))
2. NEW NeuroticFish (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=257071) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=257071) neutral) (920 Merit earned (https://loyce.club/Merit/history/257071.html)) (Trust list (https://loyce.club/trust/2021-02-06_Sat_23.22h/257071.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/Profile?p=NeuroticFish))
3. NEW DaveF (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=300014) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=300014)  +26 / =1 / -0) (1193 Merit earned (https://loyce.club/Merit/history/300014.html)) (Trust list (https://loyce.club/trust/2021-02-06_Sat_23.22h/300014.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/Profile?p=DaveF))
4. nutildah (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=317618) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=317618)  +13 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (16) 3322 Merit earned (https://loyce.club/Merit/history/317618.html)) (Trust list (https://loyce.club/trust/2021-02-06_Sat_23.22h/317618.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/Profile?p=nutildah))
5. NEW ranochigo (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=334898) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=334898)  +10 / =0 / -0) (858 Merit earned (https://loyce.club/Merit/history/334898.html)) (Trust list (https://loyce.club/trust/2021-02-06_Sat_23.22h/334898.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/Profile?p=ranochigo))
6. NEW yahoo62278 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=355846) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=355846)  +25 / =2 / -0) (DT1! (24) 1577 Merit earned (https://loyce.club/Merit/history/355846.html)) (Trust list (https://loyce.club/trust/2021-02-06_Sat_23.22h/355846.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/Profile?p=yahoo62278))
7. NEW Royse777 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=366632) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=366632)  +5 / =0 / -0) (1235 Merit earned (https://loyce.club/Merit/history/366632.html)) (Trust list (https://loyce.club/trust/2021-02-06_Sat_23.22h/366632.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/Profile?p=Royse777))
8. NEW DarkStar_ (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=507936) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=507936)  +54 / =1 / -0) (1520 Merit earned (https://loyce.club/Merit/history/507936.html)) (Trust list (https://loyce.club/trust/2021-02-06_Sat_23.22h/507936.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/Profile?p=DarkStar_))
9. NEW TryNinja (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=557798) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=557798) neutral) (DT1! (6) 2621 Merit earned (https://loyce.club/Merit/history/557798.html)) (Trust list (https://loyce.club/trust/2021-02-06_Sat_23.22h/557798.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/Profile?p=TryNinja))
10. marlboroza (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=787736) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=787736)  +15 / =0 / -0) (1746 Merit earned (https://loyce.club/Merit/history/787736.html)) (Trust list (https://loyce.club/trust/2021-02-06_Sat_23.22h/787736.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/Profile?p=marlboroza))
11. NEW crwth (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=914465) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=914465)  +6 / =1 / -0) (DT1! (6) 706 Merit earned (https://loyce.club/Merit/history/914465.html)) (Trust list (https://loyce.club/trust/2021-02-06_Sat_23.22h/914465.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/Profile?p=crwth))
12. NEW JollyGood (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1016855) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=1016855)  +11 / =0 / -0) (825 Merit earned (https://loyce.club/Merit/history/1016855.html)) (Trust list (https://loyce.club/trust/2021-02-06_Sat_23.22h/1016855.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/Profile?p=JollyGood))
13. NEW amishmanish (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1107844) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=1107844)  +1 / =0 / -0) (668 Merit earned (https://loyce.club/Merit/history/1107844.html)) (Trust list (https://loyce.club/trust/2021-02-06_Sat_23.22h/1107844.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/Profile?p=amishmanish))
14. NEW icopress (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1137579) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=1137579)  +5 / =0 / -0) (515 Merit earned (https://loyce.club/Merit/history/1137579.html)) (Trust list (https://loyce.club/trust/2021-02-06_Sat_23.22h/1137579.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/Profile?p=icopress))
15. NEW rhomelmabini (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1255873) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=1255873) neutral) (432 Merit earned (https://loyce.club/Merit/history/1255873.html)) (Trust list (https://loyce.club/trust/2021-02-06_Sat_23.22h/1255873.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/Profile?p=rhomelmabini))
16. NEW Maus0728 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1289002) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=1289002)  +4 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (5) 917 Merit earned (https://loyce.club/Merit/history/1289002.html)) (Trust list (https://loyce.club/trust/2021-02-06_Sat_23.22h/1289002.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/Profile?p=Maus0728))
17. NEW TheBeardedBaby (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1291828) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=1291828)  +6 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (10) 2373 Merit earned (https://loyce.club/Merit/history/1291828.html)) (Trust list (https://loyce.club/trust/2021-02-06_Sat_23.22h/1291828.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/Profile?p=TheBeardedBaby))
18. NEW dkbit98 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1410401) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=1410401)  +12 / =1 / -0) (DT1! (8) 1485 Merit earned (https://loyce.club/Merit/history/1410401.html)) (Trust list (https://loyce.club/trust/2021-02-06_Sat_23.22h/1410401.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/Profile?p=dkbit98))
19. NEW bitmover (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1554927) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=1554927) neutral) (2231 Merit earned (https://loyce.club/Merit/history/1554927.html)) (Trust list (https://loyce.club/trust/2021-02-06_Sat_23.22h/1554927.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/Profile?p=bitmover))
20. NEW fillippone (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1852120) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=1852120)  +10 / =1 / -0) (DT1! (16) 4921 Merit earned (https://loyce.club/Merit/history/1852120.html)) (Trust list (https://loyce.club/trust/2021-02-06_Sat_23.22h/1852120.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/Profile?p=fillippone))
21. NEW zasad@ (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2654005) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=2654005)  +3 / =1 / -0) (DT1! (8) 2144 Merit earned (https://loyce.club/Merit/history/2654005.html)) (Trust list (https://loyce.club/trust/2021-02-06_Sat_23.22h/2654005.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/Profile?p=zasad@))
22. NEW Rikafip (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2658890) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=2658890)  +7 / =1 / -0) (DT1! (8) 1772 Merit earned (https://loyce.club/Merit/history/2658890.html)) (Trust list (https://loyce.club/trust/2021-02-06_Sat_23.22h/2658890.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/Profile?p=Rikafip))

Quote
Trust list for: squatter (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=162680) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=162680)  +0 / =0 / -5) (683 Merit earned (https://loyce.club/Merit/history/162680.html)) (Trust list (https://loyce.club/trust/2021-02-06_Sat_23.22h/162680.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/Profile?p=squatter))

squatter's judgement is Trusted by:
1. bamb (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=339386) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=339386)  +0 / =0 / -2) (1 Merit earned (https://loyce.club/Merit/history/339386.html)) (Trust list (https://loyce.club/trust/2021-02-06_Sat_23.22h/339386.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/Profile?p=bamb))
2. endlasuresh (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=906005) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=906005)  +0 / =0 / -3) (3 Merit earned (https://loyce.club/Merit/history/906005.html)) (Trust list (https://loyce.club/trust/2021-02-06_Sat_23.22h/906005.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/Profile?p=endlasuresh))
3. Bazinga442 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1246188) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=1246188)  +0 / =0 / -7) (24 Merit earned (https://loyce.club/Merit/history/1246188.html)) (Trust list (https://loyce.club/trust/2021-02-06_Sat_23.22h/1246188.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/Profile?p=Bazinga442))
4. chickinini (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1575704) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=1575704)  +0 / =0 / -3) (11 Merit earned (https://loyce.club/Merit/history/1575704.html)) (Trust list (https://loyce.club/trust/2021-02-06_Sat_23.22h/1575704.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/Profile?p=chickinini))
5. cryptorgasm (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1575750) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=1575750)  +0 / =0 / -3) (4 Merit earned (https://loyce.club/Merit/history/1575750.html)) (Trust list (https://loyce.club/trust/2021-02-06_Sat_23.22h/1575750.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/Profile?p=cryptorgasm))
6. Pablojob (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1586457) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=1586457)  +0 / =0 / -4) (10 Merit earned (https://loyce.club/Merit/history/1586457.html)) (Trust list (https://loyce.club/trust/2021-02-06_Sat_23.22h/1586457.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/Profile?p=Pablojob))
7. PiningGarcia (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1586551) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=1586551)  +0 / =0 / -4) (10 Merit earned (https://loyce.club/Merit/history/1586551.html)) (Trust list (https://loyce.club/trust/2021-02-06_Sat_23.22h/1586551.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/Profile?p=PiningGarcia))
8. PingGermoco (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1586585) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=1586585)  +0 / =0 / -4) (10 Merit earned (https://loyce.club/Merit/history/1586585.html)) (Trust list (https://loyce.club/trust/2021-02-06_Sat_23.22h/1586585.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/Profile?p=PingGermoco))
9. cryptopov (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1609508) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=1609508)  +0 / =0 / -3) (4 Merit earned (https://loyce.club/Merit/history/1609508.html)) (Trust list (https://loyce.club/trust/2021-02-06_Sat_23.22h/1609508.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/Profile?p=cryptopov))
10. poypototoy (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1658865) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=1658865)  +0 / =0 / -3) (10 Merit earned (https://loyce.club/Merit/history/1658865.html)) (Trust list (https://loyce.club/trust/2021-02-06_Sat_23.22h/1658865.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/Profile?p=poypototoy))
11. Zin-Zang (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1777865) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=1777865)  +0 / =1 / -7) (11 Merit earned (https://loyce.club/Merit/history/1777865.html)) (Trust list (https://loyce.club/trust/2021-02-06_Sat_23.22h/1777865.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/Profile?p=Zin-Zang))
12. H8bussesNbicycles (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2472107) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=2472107)  +0 / =1 / -11) (10 Merit earned (https://loyce.club/Merit/history/2472107.html)) (Trust list (https://loyce.club/trust/2021-02-06_Sat_23.22h/2472107.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/Profile?p=H8bussesNbicycles))
13. ito-marketing (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2535994) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=2535994)  +0 / =0 / -3) (0 Merit earned) (Trust list (https://loyce.club/trust/2021-02-06_Sat_23.22h/2535994.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/Profile?p=ito-marketing))
14. gwsukabokepjepang (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2536607) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=2536607)  +0 / =0 / -10) (0 Merit earned) (Trust list (https://loyce.club/trust/2021-02-06_Sat_23.22h/2536607.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/Profile?p=gwsukabokepjepang))
15. The-One-Above-All (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2580400) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=2580400) #  +0 / =0 / -16) (56 Merit earned (https://loyce.club/Merit/history/2580400.html)) (Trust list (https://loyce.club/trust/2021-02-06_Sat_23.22h/2580400.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/Profile?p=The-One-Above-All))
16. smartcontracts100 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2779504) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=2779504)  +0 / =1 / -5) (5 Merit earned (https://loyce.club/Merit/history/2779504.html)) (Trust list (https://loyce.club/trust/2021-02-06_Sat_23.22h/2779504.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/Profile?p=smartcontracts100))

~squatter's judgement is Distrusted by:
1. KWH (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=70535) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=70535)  +10 / =2 / -0) (45 Merit earned (https://loyce.club/Merit/history/70535.html)) (Trust list (https://loyce.club/trust/2021-02-06_Sat_23.22h/70535.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/Profile?p=KWH))
2. NEW NeuroticFish (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=257071) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=257071) neutral) (920 Merit earned (https://loyce.club/Merit/history/257071.html)) (Trust list (https://loyce.club/trust/2021-02-06_Sat_23.22h/257071.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/Profile?p=NeuroticFish))
3. NEW DaveF (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=300014) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=300014)  +26 / =1 / -0) (1193 Merit earned (https://loyce.club/Merit/history/300014.html)) (Trust list (https://loyce.club/trust/2021-02-06_Sat_23.22h/300014.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/Profile?p=DaveF))
4. nutildah (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=317618) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=317618)  +13 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (16) 3322 Merit earned (https://loyce.club/Merit/history/317618.html)) (Trust list (https://loyce.club/trust/2021-02-06_Sat_23.22h/317618.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/Profile?p=nutildah))
5. NEW ranochigo (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=334898) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=334898)  +10 / =0 / -0) (858 Merit earned (https://loyce.club/Merit/history/334898.html)) (Trust list (https://loyce.club/trust/2021-02-06_Sat_23.22h/334898.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/Profile?p=ranochigo))
6. NEW yahoo62278 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=355846) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=355846)  +25 / =2 / -0) (DT1! (24) 1577 Merit earned (https://loyce.club/Merit/history/355846.html)) (Trust list (https://loyce.club/trust/2021-02-06_Sat_23.22h/355846.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/Profile?p=yahoo62278))
7. NEW Royse777 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=366632) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=366632)  +5 / =0 / -0) (1235 Merit earned (https://loyce.club/Merit/history/366632.html)) (Trust list (https://loyce.club/trust/2021-02-06_Sat_23.22h/366632.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/Profile?p=Royse777))
8. NEW DarkStar_ (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=507936) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=507936)  +54 / =1 / -0) (1520 Merit earned (https://loyce.club/Merit/history/507936.html)) (Trust list (https://loyce.club/trust/2021-02-06_Sat_23.22h/507936.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/Profile?p=DarkStar_))
9. NEW TryNinja (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=557798) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=557798) neutral) (DT1! (6) 2621 Merit earned (https://loyce.club/Merit/history/557798.html)) (Trust list (https://loyce.club/trust/2021-02-06_Sat_23.22h/557798.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/Profile?p=TryNinja))
10. marlboroza (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=787736) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=787736)  +15 / =0 / -0) (1746 Merit earned (https://loyce.club/Merit/history/787736.html)) (Trust list (https://loyce.club/trust/2021-02-06_Sat_23.22h/787736.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/Profile?p=marlboroza))
11. NEW crwth (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=914465) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=914465)  +6 / =1 / -0) (DT1! (6) 706 Merit earned (https://loyce.club/Merit/history/914465.html)) (Trust list (https://loyce.club/trust/2021-02-06_Sat_23.22h/914465.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/Profile?p=crwth))
12. NEW JollyGood (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1016855) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=1016855)  +11 / =0 / -0) (825 Merit earned (https://loyce.club/Merit/history/1016855.html)) (Trust list (https://loyce.club/trust/2021-02-06_Sat_23.22h/1016855.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/Profile?p=JollyGood))
13. NEW El duderino_ (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1067333) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=1067333)  +23 / =2 / -0) (DT1! (10) 4735 Merit earned (https://loyce.club/Merit/history/1067333.html)) (Trust list (https://loyce.club/trust/2021-02-06_Sat_23.22h/1067333.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/Profile?p=El duderino_))
14. NEW amishmanish (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1107844) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=1107844)  +1 / =0 / -0) (668 Merit earned (https://loyce.club/Merit/history/1107844.html)) (Trust list (https://loyce.club/trust/2021-02-06_Sat_23.22h/1107844.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/Profile?p=amishmanish))
15. NEW icopress (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1137579) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=1137579)  +5 / =0 / -0) (515 Merit earned (https://loyce.club/Merit/history/1137579.html)) (Trust list (https://loyce.club/trust/2021-02-06_Sat_23.22h/1137579.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/Profile?p=icopress))
16. NEW rhomelmabini (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1255873) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=1255873) neutral) (432 Merit earned (https://loyce.club/Merit/history/1255873.html)) (Trust list (https://loyce.club/trust/2021-02-06_Sat_23.22h/1255873.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/Profile?p=rhomelmabini))
17. NEW Maus0728 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1289002) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=1289002)  +4 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (5) 917 Merit earned (https://loyce.club/Merit/history/1289002.html)) (Trust list (https://loyce.club/trust/2021-02-06_Sat_23.22h/1289002.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/Profile?p=Maus0728))
18. NEW TheBeardedBaby (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1291828) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=1291828)  +6 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (10) 2373 Merit earned (https://loyce.club/Merit/history/1291828.html)) (Trust list (https://loyce.club/trust/2021-02-06_Sat_23.22h/1291828.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/Profile?p=TheBeardedBaby))
19. NEW dkbit98 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1410401) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=1410401)  +12 / =1 / -0) (DT1! (8) 1485 Merit earned (https://loyce.club/Merit/history/1410401.html)) (Trust list (https://loyce.club/trust/2021-02-06_Sat_23.22h/1410401.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/Profile?p=dkbit98))
20. NEW bitmover (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1554927) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=1554927) neutral) (2231 Merit earned (https://loyce.club/Merit/history/1554927.html)) (Trust list (https://loyce.club/trust/2021-02-06_Sat_23.22h/1554927.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/Profile?p=bitmover))
21. NEW fillippone (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1852120) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=1852120)  +10 / =1 / -0) (DT1! (16) 4921 Merit earned (https://loyce.club/Merit/history/1852120.html)) (Trust list (https://loyce.club/trust/2021-02-06_Sat_23.22h/1852120.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/Profile?p=fillippone))
22. NEW zasad@ (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2654005) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=2654005)  +3 / =1 / -0) (DT1! (8) 2144 Merit earned (https://loyce.club/Merit/history/2654005.html)) (Trust list (https://loyce.club/trust/2021-02-06_Sat_23.22h/2654005.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/Profile?p=zasad@))
23. NEW Rikafip (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2658890) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=2658890)  +7 / =1 / -0) (DT1! (8) 1772 Merit earned (https://loyce.club/Merit/history/2658890.html)) (Trust list (https://loyce.club/trust/2021-02-06_Sat_23.22h/2658890.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/Profile?p=Rikafip))

Source: LoyceV's Trust list viewer (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5102296.0).
Get your own Trust list in BBCode at loyce.club/trust (https://loyce.club/trust/).
I think @El duderino_ forgot he's still including exstasie.


Title: Re: Long-time sig campaign farm ID'd via single wallet transaction
Post by: nutildah on February 06, 2021, 09:13:02 AM
One week of Trust list changes:

Speaking of trust list changes, did you ever notice this fun little tidbit?

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Trust list for: marlboroza (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=787736) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=787736)  +14 / =0 / -0) (created 2020-02-29_Sat_06.37h)
Back to index (http://loyce.club/trust/)

marlboroza Trusts these users' judgement:
-

marlboroza Distrusts these users' judgement:
1. NEW ~figmentofmyass (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=136484) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=136484) neutral) (653 Merit earned (http://loyce.club/Merit/history/136484.html)) (Trust list (http://loyce.club/trust/2020-02-29_Sat_06.37h/136484.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/profile.aspx?p=figmentofmyass))
2. NEW ~exstasie (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=154539) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=154539) neutral) (500 Merit earned (http://loyce.club/Merit/history/154539.html)) (Trust list (http://loyce.club/trust/2020-02-29_Sat_06.37h/154539.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/profile.aspx?p=exstasie))
3. NEW ~squatter (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=162680) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=162680) neutral) (593 Merit earned (http://loyce.club/Merit/history/162680.html)) (Trust list (http://loyce.club/trust/2020-02-29_Sat_06.37h/162680.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/profile.aspx?p=squatter))

Usually that kind of thing doesn't get by you. Maybe you saw it and didn't think much of it.


Title: Re: Long-time sig campaign farm ID'd via single wallet transaction
Post by: LoyceV on February 06, 2021, 09:58:16 AM
Maybe you saw it and didn't think much of it.
I've seen it when marlboroza created a new Trust list (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5139236.msg53582185#msg53582185), but indeed, I didn't think much of it. If marlboroza suspected them to be alts, why didn't he mention it? The week before these exclusions they had some interaction in The Objective Standards Guild - Testimonium Libertatem Iustitia (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5226886.msg53892621#msg53892621).
In the same week squatter wiped his Trust list (https://loyce.club/trust/2020-02-29_Sat_06.37h/162680.html), including this one:
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Trust list for: figmentofmyass (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=136484) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=136484) neutral) (653 Merit earned (http://loyce.club/Merit/history/136484.html)) (Trust list (http://loyce.club/trust/2020-02-29_Sat_06.37h/136484.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/profile.aspx?p=figmentofmyass)) (created 2020-02-29_Sat_06.37h)

figmentofmyass's judgement is Trusted by:
3. Removed squatter (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=162680) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=162680) neutral) (593 Merit earned (http://loyce.club/Merit/history/162680.html)) (Trust list (http://loyce.club/trust/2020-02-29_Sat_06.37h/162680.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/profile.aspx?p=squatter))
He had included his own alt the previous week:
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Trust list for: squatter (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=162680) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=162680) neutral) (560 Merit earned (http://loyce.club/Merit/history/162680.html)) (Trust list (http://loyce.club/trust/2020-02-22_Sat_06.05h/162680.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/profile.aspx?p=squatter)) (created 2020-02-22_Sat_06.05h)

squatter Trusts these users' judgement:
10. NEW figmentofmyass (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=136484) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=136484) neutral) (643 Merit earned (http://loyce.club/Merit/history/136484.html)) (Trust list (http://loyce.club/trust/2020-02-22_Sat_06.05h/136484.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/profile.aspx?p=figmentofmyass))


Title: Re: Long-time sig campaign farm ID'd via single wallet transaction
Post by: mikeywith on February 06, 2021, 11:03:03 AM
I won't lie but i loved conversations with exstasie/figmentofmyass/squatter. They were extremely useful and helpful users of bitcointalk.

Do you know what's even more ironic? I have always liked exstasie but I didn't really enjoy reading figmentofmyass's posts, it's "incredible" how one person may seem like a few, he indeed did a better job than "Kevin in the movie Split".



Title: Re: Long-time sig campaign farm ID'd via single wallet transaction
Post by: marlboroza on February 06, 2021, 12:10:01 PM
The week before these exclusions they had some interaction in The Objective Standards Guild - Testimonium Libertatem Iustitia (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5226886.msg53892621#msg53892621).
Actually, my first interaction with foma happened in 2018 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3617512.msg36888918#msg36888918)., seems he was pissed at me for unknown reason. Maybe I exposed and tagged some of his alts back then? Makes me wonder... Also, don't forget to read foma's replies in PM7 topic (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5219253.0) :D
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If marlboroza suspected them to be alts, why didn't he mention it?
It wasn't on me to mention it, besides, there wasn't solid proof of connection.

@Nutildah you did great investigatory work, tags are on the way. Merits soon.


Title: Re: Long-time sig campaign farm ID'd via single wallet transaction
Post by: JollyGood on February 06, 2021, 01:28:21 PM
I read some of the replies in that thread, looking back now it seems he had ulterior motives. Alt accounts need to create misdirection in order to divert attention away from anything that might fall on themselves and their alt accounts but many of them do eventually fall in to the trap of over confidence and get caught out from time to time.


~snip~

Actually, my first interaction with foma happened in 2018 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3617512.msg36888918#msg36888918)., seems he was pissed at me for unknown reason. Maybe I exposed and tagged some of his alts back then? Makes me wonder... Also, don't forget to read foma's replies in PM7 topic (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5219253.0) :D


Title: Re: Long-time sig campaign farm ID'd via single wallet transaction
Post by: suchmoon on February 06, 2021, 02:08:53 PM
If marlboroza suspected them to be alts, why didn't he mention it?

What would you have expected him do?


Title: Re: Long-time sig campaign farm ID'd via single wallet transaction
Post by: LoyceV on February 06, 2021, 02:20:52 PM
What would you have expected him do?
I'm not sure.


Title: Re: Long-time sig campaign farm ID'd via single wallet transaction
Post by: suchmoon on February 06, 2021, 02:40:23 PM
What would you have expected him do?
I'm not sure.

Well, let me help you to narrow down the list of options :)

Create a thread? See PN7 thread by nutildah (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5219253) where he raised reasonable suspicions, got trolled for it.
Add a neutral rating? See PN7 thread by nutildah (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5219253) where my neutral on PN7 (without even mentioning the suspects name) turned out to be a problem for some... uhm... people.
Tell someone via PM? See PN7 thread by nutildah (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5219253) where such information sharing was attempted to be made into some sort of a conspiracy.

So we can rule those options out as being ineffective and perhaps counterproductive when you're dealing with an account farmer who can attack with numerous alts and have other farmers jump in on the fun.


Title: Re: Long-time sig campaign farm ID'd via single wallet transaction
Post by: malevolent on February 06, 2021, 05:05:32 PM
That's a bit like calling Lance Armstrong's competitors "uninvolved third parties" :). If DarkStar_ knew that they were alts he wouldn't have accepted them so deception resulted in someone losing out.

If I created a thread giving $100 to first 10 users who reply, and stipulated that no alts are allowed, someone cheating with 3 accounts would be essentially stealing from users who reply #11 and #12. This FOMA situation is not much different.

It's easy to name Armstrong's competitors as the parties who have been wronged. But it would only be comparable if FomA's deception led to other campaign participants losing money.

If I created a thread giving $100 to first 10 users who reply, and stipulated that no alts are allowed, someone cheating with 3 accounts would be essentially stealing from users who reply #11 and #12. This FOMA situation is not much different.

Getting accepted into a campaign is not akin to winning a no-fee raffle but conditional on being the most suitable forum member DarkStar_ is looking for. Other people applied, and yet FomA's alts were chosen over them, clearly indicating who was a better fit for the campaign.

My "hope" is basically to get a peek into the minds of this fraudster and not really about him asking for an apology. He is anonymous. He could easily write a short memoir and it'll be a hit.

I think he's laughing all the way to the bank. Milked what he could out of it when the campaign paid the most.

It doesn't sound ludicrous at all. Ass broke campaign rules to hog the spots which could as well have gone to someone else. Considering that 100+ applicants apply for the spots and only 1-2 get in, it is unfair to those who could have been selected.

You make it sound as if participation in a campaign is some sort of natural right, as if he depleted groundwater or otherwise abused a rivalrous but non-excludable good, when it can be better compared to someone applying under different identities, somehow getting accepted, and successfully working at two (three) jobs within the same company. The biggest loss to the company in such a situation is the extra overhead of having two (three) employees instead of one.

Then there is the whole issue of decency and conduct. As Staff, it is understood that you cannot make enforceable "rules" about conduct and cannot define decency.  This is subjective but its importance shouldn't be diluted, least of all by staff; by refusing to take a stand on the ethical debate over such actions.

I absolutely don't condone deception, but as far as scamming and defrauding goes, this is all very tame by bitcointalk or cryptocurrency-sphere standards.

It doesn't at all compare to, for example, cheating at no-fee raffles, and the main reason people are so angry is because of the amount of money involved.

Personally, having replied to all of his alts on more than one occasion, I feel trolled. Actually, thought creeped in to my mind a couple times that FomA, exstasie and even gentlemand could have been the same person, probably because I've seen them post so often (too often) in similar threads, but it was all just a very weak hunch (according to other posters the last person is legit so I was wrong), but learning that squatter was FomA's alt really caught me by surprise.


Title: Re: Long-time sig campaign farm ID'd via single wallet transaction
Post by: eddie13 on February 06, 2021, 06:38:28 PM
Too many snips I’d like to reply to..

I think the lesson to be drawn from this is that decentralized and anonymous systems will never really be able to implement even a semblance of fair business practices. There will always be the need for a way to track participant actions that affect the business. While this forum and bitcoiners proselytize about the benefits of "decentralization", they accept wrongdoing, fraud and plain corruption as "sleight of hand". We all accept this "He did it because he could, lets forget about it" mentality over such things. This is one of the biggest hurdles for the concept of decentralization to truly become useful. Because if you are going to be vulnerable to the same scheming and collusion, why really bother to change the present system. Lets just keep morals, ethics aside and everybody go mooooooon.

It’s absolutely 100% fair free market anarchy..
Every one of us had the same opportunity to enroll 3 or even 10 alts into CM just as he did..
Yeah he broke the rules, but he got away with it, and made a killing..

In a decentralized world you have to think of what is possible without bounds of morality, and expect whatever to happen accordingly..
Keep your eyes out for scammers and others to take advantage of every and any opportunity..



Does it make any of you that never got into the CM campaign angry that he was 3X a better poster than you? Lol..
Because that’s basically what it boils down to..


+100 for malevolent
Gonna check and make sure he is on my inclusions list.. He gets it.. (yep)

This is crypto.. Stop thinking in a world of rules and control and start thinking in a world where all possibilities and opportunities will be taken advantage of by someone, and protect yourself accordingly..

Just think.. In all likelihood CM is an NSA honeypot anyway, lol..
Could be..




I absolutely don't condone deception, but as far as scamming and defrauding goes, this is all very tame by bitcointalk or cryptocurrency-sphere standards.

It doesn't at all compare to, for example, cheating at no-fee raffles, and the main reason people are so angry is because of the amount of money involved.

This 100%

And NO nutildah I’m not saying that it’s perfectly OK that he broke the campaign rules.. It is an untrustworthy action surely..
But quite “tame”, and not as bad as the cheating the giveaways actions..

People are pissy because it’s chipmixer..
They think the world should be “fair” or something..


Title: Re: Long-time sig campaign farm ID'd via single wallet transaction
Post by: suchmoon on February 06, 2021, 06:49:35 PM
Getting accepted into a campaign is not akin to winning a no-fee raffle but conditional on being the most suitable forum member DarkStar_ is looking for. Other people applied, and yet FomA's alts were chosen over them, clearly indicating who was a better fit for the campaign.

Given the number of applicants and no lack of good ones, DarkStar_ is probably throwing a dart at the shortlist, but that's not the point. If FOMA didn't break the rules then someone else would have taken his place and earned that money. Therefore FOMA breaking the rules did negatively affect whoever was next on DS's shortlist, even we accept the rationalization that FOMA didn't steal from DS/CM. The fact that we can't name the affected users in this situation doesn't mean they don't exist.


Title: Re: Long-time sig campaign farm ID'd via single wallet transaction
Post by: LoyceV on February 06, 2021, 06:53:04 PM
It’s absolutely 100% fair free market anarchy..
~
In a decentralized world you have to think of what is possible without bounds of morality, and expect whatever to happen accordingly..
Keep your eyes out for scammers and others to take advantage of every and any opportunity..
~
This is crypto.. Stop thinking in a world of rules and control and start thinking in a world where all possibilities and opportunities will be taken advantage of by someone, and protect yourself accordingly..
I think this would be a very good subject for another topic! In a way I really like what you said here, but at the same time I totally disagree. From what I've seen, I think theymos would completely agree with you point of view here.

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Just think.. In all likelihood CM is an NSA honeypot anyway, lol..
https://i.imgflip.com/4wz1hg.jpg
(source (https://imgflip.com/i/4wz1hg))


Title: Re: Long-time sig campaign farm ID'd via single wallet transaction
Post by: eddie13 on February 06, 2021, 07:00:15 PM

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Just think.. In all likelihood CM is an NSA honeypot anyway, lol..
https://i.imgflip.com/4wz1hg.jpg
(source (https://imgflip.com/i/4wz1hg))

If you want to get into that subject, you are near the top of the list of users here I suspect of directly being government agents of some sort ;)

But I like you anyway :)

Same principle..
Anyone could be a scammer..
Anyone could be an agent..
The only person responsible for protecting your ass is YOU..


Title: Re: Long-time sig campaign farm ID'd via single wallet transaction
Post by: malevolent on February 06, 2021, 08:40:49 PM
Given the number of applicants and no lack of good ones, DarkStar_ is probably throwing a dart at the shortlist, but that's not the point. If FOMA didn't break the rules then someone else would have taken his place and earned that money. Therefore FOMA breaking the rules did negatively affect whoever was next on DS's shortlist, even we accept the rationalization that FOMA didn't steal from DS/CM. The fact that we can't name the affected users in this situation doesn't mean they don't exist.

DS tends to look for users making posts on specific boards, IIRC, among other things, so it's not like every user has equal chances, and that's before comparing the quality of their posts.

Also, since potentially affected users lost against FomA in the competition to be admitted, them being accepted would technically mean CM would be paying for posts of inferior quality to those of FomA. :P



Title: Re: Long-time sig campaign farm ID'd via single wallet transaction
Post by: nutildah on February 06, 2021, 09:32:34 PM
It wasn't on me to mention it, besides, there wasn't solid proof of connection.

Yep. Full disclosure: I had talked the possibility over with marlboroza back then but as he mentioned there wasn't enough proof to move forward. So I shelved the whole thing for almost a year, until this came up.

And NO nutildah I’m not saying that it’s perfectly OK that he broke the campaign rules.. It is an untrustworthy action surely..

OK good.

But quite “tame”, and not as bad as the cheating the giveaways actions..

If you say so.

People are pissy because it’s chipmixer..
They think the world should be “fair” or something..

I didn't see people being pissy at all. I saw a lot of people who commented on the implications of this, and then a few people expanded on the findings, and then you came in judging people in an almost strawman-type fashion, for whatever reason. Which just seems bizarre to me given that you said this the previous week:

Should be putting a neutral on the project representatives, ANN posters, and managers..
“Bounties full of alt accounts, poor advertising practices” -warn investors..
“Manager repeatedly hires multiple alt accounts” - warn projects of poor managers..

Make the project and managers feel some pain over it..

For all we know the managers accounts and project rep accounts are all alts too..

It sounded like you thought bounty managers that hire alts should be actively punished while higher paying sig campaign managers should look the other way when it comes to rulebreakers, but you've since clarified that's not what you believe. I think that's why I found some of your input to be problematic, LOL. First time I've ever used that word.


Title: Re: Long-time sig campaign farm ID'd via single wallet transaction
Post by: suchmoon on February 06, 2021, 10:30:24 PM
Also, since potentially affected users lost against FomA in the competition to be admitted, them being accepted would technically mean CM would be paying for posts of inferior quality to those of FomA. :P

Counter-hypothetical: what if FOMA didn't cheat and made 120 posts per week with one account providing extra free advertising to CM, who could then hire one or two other users with the same budget and get even more advertising. That's basically how it works with honest participants like LoyceV who often exceeds the 50 post count by a large margin.


Title: Re: Long-time sig campaign farm ID'd via single wallet transaction
Post by: eddie13 on February 06, 2021, 10:44:12 PM

It sounded like you thought bounty managers that hire alts should be actively punished while higher paying sig campaign managers should look the other way when it comes to rulebreakers, but you've since clarified that's not what you believe. I think that's why I found some of your input to be problematic, LOL. First time I've ever used that word.

DS hardly has a history of hiring spammers and/or providing poor quality advertisement to projects he represents, would you agree?

Even with the best some slip through the cracks, and the one who slipped through the cracks here was impressively talented..


Title: Re: Long-time sig campaign farm ID'd via single wallet transaction
Post by: bitmover on February 06, 2021, 10:56:26 PM
To say it was his only source of income and he needed the money, so he can cheat and the rest of the forum must be understanding is dangerous. There are people in Brazil who tries to justify robbery with the same argument.

Are you really comparing using alts to go around campaign rules to a violent crime?

He did not steal money from anyone, and he certainly did not commit violence against anyone. He provided a service, and received payment for said service.

He was arguing that as he needed the money and it could be his only source of income, that is "ok' and it should made any difference to others... I don't agree with this. If a scammer needs the money and scamming people is his only source of income, would it matters? I am just using Reductio ad absurdum to say why I don't agree.

He provided the service pretending to be someone else.

He stole money from other potential participants, and cheated the company that is requesting the service (as they stated that they didn't want to enrol alts). Just because you can't name them, doesn't mean they don't exist, like suchmoon said. He might have stole 2 BTC from you. How would you feel about that?

Well, maybe not you two, because malevolent is already in the campaign and quickseller couldn't have joined because of negative tag...


It’s absolutely 100% fair free market anarchy..
Every one of us had the same opportunity to enroll 3 or even 10 alts into CM just as he did..
Yeah he broke the rules, but he got away with it, and made a killing..

In a decentralized world you have to think of what is possible without bounds of morality, and expect whatever to happen accordingly..
Keep your eyes out for scammers and others to take advantage of every and any opportunity..

But nothing is decentralized here... just the payment method...

The forum is owned by someone, CM is a private company, the campaign is managed (so centralized) in darkstar. The money comes from one source only...

As the company is requesting a  service, according to X rules which DS established, talking about decentralization makes no sense to me...

But i agree, he has the freedom to do as he wants. After all, this is internet.


Title: Re: Long-time sig campaign farm ID'd via single wallet transaction
Post by: NotATether on February 07, 2021, 04:25:34 PM
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Just think.. In all likelihood CM is an NSA honeypot anyway, lol..

Brilliant. Then we finally got the NSA to work with embargoed countries after all these years.

At least y'all can be sure that I'm no-one's alt. (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1159946.msg54328378#msg54328378)



What does the link proof and how can that post proof that you are not alt of anyone? I'm not saying you are alt of anyone; since you linked this, I got curious how this post is relevant to proof that you are not anyone's alt.

Well for starters anyone who could've been my alt now has a lot of public info they have to go along with since they cannot pretend to be anonymous.


Title: Re: Long-time sig campaign farm ID'd via single wallet transaction
Post by: RapTarX on February 07, 2021, 05:01:15 PM
At least y'all can be sure that I'm no-one's alt. (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1159946.msg54328378#msg54328378)
What does the link proof and how can that post proof that you are not alt of anyone? I'm not saying you are alt of anyone; since you linked this, I got curious how this post is relevant to proof that you are not anyone's alt.


Title: Re: Long-time sig campaign farm ID'd via single wallet transaction
Post by: nutildah on February 07, 2021, 08:53:32 PM
132zvKqMn3Fy45ddDyhFb8SjksDPvvUyiQ - InwardContour (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=131697) (proof (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=323615.msg3466792#msg3466792)) (still active)

Going by this guy's writing style, I'm pretty sure this account still belongs to FOMA.

I had a few extra minutes this morning so I found an ETH address he posted:

- Campaigns applied for: Signature
    - Bitcointalk username: InwardContour
    - Bitcointalk link: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=131697
    - Telegram username : @inwardman
    - Wallet address: 0x141E479b5F79302fdd8176CBC03165bC6c54382A

which sent all its USDT (https://etherscan.io/tx/0xd72e4713fe315f37248e51472ce42360716211592fac3e1e569200861afc9ce2) to this address:

#PROOF OF AUTHENTICATION
- Campaigns applied for: Signature Campaign
    - Bitcointalk username: dataispower
    - Bitcointalk link: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=381987
    - Telegram handle: @dataispower1
    - Wallet address: 0x8c6CA8ADcd305e2e0052939d87dB405fE5CBf5D9

At around the same time (https://etherscan.io/tx/0x616ca0880caa3130e464d5985ad33989c38b889a3c806ea9fbee810dc5b90783), that address (0x8c6...) also received coins from this address:

#PROOF OF REGISTRATION
- Campaigns applied for: Article
    - Bitcointalk username: deodivine1
    - Bitcointalk link: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1390292
    - Telegram handle : @cryptolens
    - Wallet address: 0x6761ECA7904Eb61D33a5bea1eaF25B2805Cc0829

The two transactions happened mere minutes apart and are not purchases -- it's a single person consolidating wallets. So on top of everything else, he's also been cheating in bounties, which isn't really surprising.

Interestingly, lovesmayfamilis had connected deodivine1 to other accounts (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5199522) in 2019.



At least y'all can be sure that I'm no-one's alt. (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1159946.msg54328378#msg54328378)
What does the link proof and how can that post proof that you are not alt of anyone? I'm not saying you are alt of anyone; since you linked this, I got curious how this post is relevant to proof that you are not anyone's alt.

This is correct -- for the sake of clarifying how "proof" should be counted or not counted, signing a Bitcoin address isn't proof that you don't have other accounts on the forum (this would be almost impossible to "prove" one way or the other).

You're asking us to trust your word, which is not how proof works as far as forum-related matters are concerned.


Title: Re: Long-time sig campaign farm ID'd via single wallet transaction
Post by: JollyGood on February 07, 2021, 10:56:21 PM
It would be a good idea to have them all compiled together so they can easily be tagged and ~

Excellent post by nutildah again. It makes you wonder just how far wide did that multi-account operator might have spread his tentacles. It seems a more comprehensive list needs to be created to add on to the 9 names mentioned in the OP, is there any chance it can be updated?


~snip~

Going by this guy's writing style, I'm pretty sure this account still belongs to FOMA.

I had a few extra minutes this morning so I found an ETH address he posted:

~snip~


Title: Re: Long-time sig campaign farm ID'd via single wallet transaction
Post by: YOSHIE on February 08, 2021, 04:52:47 AM
The two transactions happened mere minutes apart and are not purchases -- it's a single person consolidating wallets. So on top of everything else, he's also been cheating in bounties, which isn't really surprising.

Interestingly, lovesmayfamilis had connected deodivine1 to other accounts (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5199522) in 2019.
if indeed @InwardContour, it is the Alt of @figmentofmyass, and they are also Alts connected to the @dataispower and @deodivine1 accounts.

Means my guess can be said to be 99%, they have 100 Alt accounts in this forum, with various models, some are for sale and so on.

If so, this is also interesting, when associated with @deodivine1, there are another 14 Alt below.

Topic:14+ acconts connected. Community help needed. (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5224998.msg53816791#msg53816791)


Title: Re: Long-time sig campaign farm ID'd via single wallet transaction
Post by: hilariousetc on February 08, 2021, 11:26:49 AM
I think the lesson to be drawn from this is that decentralized and anonymous systems will never really be able to implement even a semblance of fair business practices. There will always be the need for a way to track participant actions that affect the business. While this forum and bitcoiners proselytize about the benefits of "decentralization", they accept wrongdoing, fraud and plain corruption as "sleight of hand". We all accept this "He did it because he could, lets forget about it" mentality over such things. This is one of the biggest hurdles for the concept of decentralization to truly become useful. Because if you are going to be vulnerable to the same scheming and collusion, why really bother to change the present system. Lets just keep morals, ethics aside and everybody go mooooooon.


You can just as easily steal and defraud with cash, anonymously or otherwise. This isn't something unique to decentralized and anonymous systems. This is also just another example of why morality isn't always black and white. Is it ok to steal? Most people would say no. Is it ok to steal to feed your dying children? Most would probably say yes or would do so if they were in that situation. Is is ok to use multiple free coupons for something that explicitly states only one per customer? Who cares? Of course you can argue that it's not fair to everyone else but if something can be exploited it will and for those that get caught doing so there's likely going to be consequences. I don't think there's ever going to be a system that can't be cheated somehow though. People are pushing for things like blockchain-based voting systems and whilst I think they'd be better than the current very outdated 'counting-by-hand' system that most govs seem to use blockchain systems can still be cheated at the user end. People will just start selling their votes and without in person ID checks our some other system fraud will still be possible, but just think of how many votes were lost in the post or how many of the people counting engaged in fraud or unfair practices and there's no real checks or balancing with the current system. 

It’s absolutely 100% fair free market anarchy..
~
In a decentralized world you have to think of what is possible without bounds of morality, and expect whatever to happen accordingly..
Keep your eyes out for scammers and others to take advantage of every and any opportunity..
~
This is crypto.. Stop thinking in a world of rules and control and start thinking in a world where all possibilities and opportunities will be taken advantage of by someone, and protect yourself accordingly..
I think this would be a very good subject for another topic! In a way I really like what you said here, but at the same time I totally disagree. From what I've seen, I think theymos would completely agree with you point of view here.

There's always a least two points of view. For instance, some people including many here believe total anarchy and no governments would be the better system. Personally I don't. I think big gov is bad and should be scaled back but I think if it was just an 'everybody-for-themselves' free-for-all then it would be a pretty nightmare-ish scenario to me and bodies would soon start piling up on the streets, but hey, the rich guys living in their fortresses protected with tanks and guns would be ok and everyone else can fight it out on the streets.

Does it make any of you that never got into the CM campaign angry that he was 3X a better poster than you? Lol..
Because that’s basically what it boils down to..



You can look at it like cheating a lottery. Imagine ten equally great posters apply for ten spots on the campaign. One guy enters with 8 accounts and three of his get it, whilst the others who don't have essentially been cheated by the odds.

He stole money from other potential participants, and cheated the company that is requesting the service (as they stated that they didn't want to enrol alts). Just because you can't name them, doesn't mean they don't exist, like suchmoon said. He might have stole 2 BTC from you. How would you feel about that?


He didn't steal anything. It's only stealing if it was someone else's property in the first place. He cheated the rules and took a potential spot away from someone but it's not stealing. If there's only two cans of beans left on the shelf in a store and someone gets there before me and buys two they haven't stolen them from me. They got there first. Maybe it's only one can of beans per person and maybe they jumped the que to get them or maybe they got their wife to also go in and get a can or two as well. It's 'unfair for sure but that's life and it's certainly not stealing.


Title: Re: Long-time sig campaign farm ID'd via single wallet transaction
Post by: nutildah on February 08, 2021, 07:27:25 PM
Does it make any of you that never got into the CM campaign angry that he was 3X a better poster than you? Lol..
Because that’s basically what it boils down to..

For some reason my eyes glossed over this the first time. This is wrong at every level. Nobody's gonna stop to tell him that all 3 accounts enrolled before the great 2017 bull run? Because that is what initially attracted attention to the CM campaign in the first place. It was only after that when competition got much stiffer. Unsurprisingly, there's still a lot of accounts grandfathered in from that era who, in my opinion, probably wouldn't make the cut today if applying for the first time.

Sorry eddie but I'm not going to stop busting account farms over fear of having my posting ability judged by you.


Title: Re: Long-time sig campaign farm ID'd via single wallet transaction
Post by: eddie13 on February 08, 2021, 07:41:03 PM
Does it make any of you that never got into the CM campaign angry that he was 3X a better poster than you? Lol..
Because that’s basically what it boils down to..

For some reason my eyes glossed over this the first time. This is wrong at every level. Nobody's gonna stop to tell him that all 3 accounts enrolled before the great 2017 bull run? Because that is what initially attracted attention to the CM campaign in the first place. It was only after that when competition got much stiffer. Unsurprisingly, there's still a lot of accounts grandfathered in from that era who, in my opinion, probably wouldn't make the cut today if applying for the first time.

Sorry eddie but I'm not going to stop busting account farms over fear of having my posting ability judged by you.

I’ve been speaking generally.. Not sure why your so focused on me here..

Congrats though.. You caught yourself a big fish this time!!
Bust all the account farms y’all want.. Knock yourselves out..
Wish you the best of luck!


Title: Re: Long-time sig campaign farm ID'd via single wallet transaction
Post by: nutildah on February 08, 2021, 07:59:16 PM
I’ve been speaking generally.. Not sure why your so focused on me here..

I'm responding to your criticisms and jabs you are taking at some sort of invisible foe. That's why.


Title: Re: Long-time sig campaign farm ID'd via single wallet transaction
Post by: Timelord2067 on February 10, 2021, 06:35:09 AM
Well... Well... Well...

So the DT1 Troll figmentofmyass who DT distrusted me and spent many months convincing other DT1 Trolls that my investigations into alts was wild hysteria has been proven to be in actual fact an alt scammer him/herself scamming from the largest SigCamp.

It seems that timelord believes one of the accounts is a farmed account connected to a different farm. IDK if the accounts are still “connected” to the same person as the connection is from several years ago. My guess is that all the accounts in the OP were likely available for sale at one point, if not actually sold.

Not very likely - from the OP's list of those they identified this simple list of the UID's involved shows their various creation dates / last active dates:




Code:
2012-11-21, 06:21:20 Date Registered: 	MAbtc

2013-07-09, 18:43:52 Date Registered: illyiller
2013-07-09, 18:49:13 Date Registered: figmentofmyass

2013-10-28, 00:34:01 Date Registered: exstasie

2013-11-18, 04:37:55 Date Registered: squatter
2013-11-18, 06:41:48 Date Registered: marky89

2014-07-27, 20:08:36 Date Registered: manchester93
2014-07-27, 20:20:46 Date Registered: romani245
2014-07-27, 20:31:48 Date Registered: illinest

2019-11-09, 08:23:27 Last Active: marky89

2020-01-15, 05:50:16  Last Active: MAbtc

2020-02-19, 17:55:53 Last Active: romani245

2021-02-02, 08:33:27 Last Active: exstasie

2020-03-05, 07:53:32 Last Active: manchester93
2020-03-05, 07:53:48 Last Active: illinest

2021-01-19, 20:49:35 Last Active: illyiller

2021-01-27, 10:33:45 Last Active: squatter
2021-01-30, 03:01:58 Last Active: figmentofmyass




As you can see given the close proximity within minutes/thirty minutes/two hours no one trying to scam would draw attention to themselves in such a mannor.

Were @darkstar_ to compile a list (indeed *any* Campaign Manager) something like that would stand out like a sore thumb.




exstasie trust feedback: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=154539

Quote
Timelord2067   2017-01-16    Reference (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1702409.msg17520054#msg17520054)   This is a farmed UID to pump and bump (i.e. self vouching) piratcoin u=157009

Accounts Connected: Kyle91 -2: -1 / +0, drpepperyummy, ltiv, beegatewood, exstasie, mert1337, Xtrem999, Leezil, BioBTC, Jochen, piratcoin, fildza, Wipeout2097, dabest1, Fuckbuddies

In my Known alts thread of the 2017-01-16, 19:43:28 as well as the above motley crew, there is the UID MAbtc who was connected to exstasie via the OP.




So, here are the UID's I said are alts ways back in 2017:

Code:
2011-05-30, 19:00:03 Date Registered: 	dabest1

2012-07-13, 18:56:47 Date Registered: Fuckbuddies

2013-07-11, 20:33:34Date Registered: fildza

2013-07-26, 11:21:21 Date Registered: Wipeout2097

2013-08-10, 12:58:55 Date Registered: Kyle91

2013-09-13, 02:37:29 Date Registered: drpepperyummy

2013-09-24, 01:15:27 Date Registered: ltiv

2013-10-26, 23:51:06 Date Registered: beegatewood
2013-10-28, 00:34:01 Date Registered: exstasie
2013-10-29, 01:01:20 Date Registered: mert1337
2013-10-29, 05:35:27 Date Registered: Xtrem999
2013-10-30, 19:49:21 Date Registered: Leezil
2013-10-31, 15:04:09Date Registered: BioBTC
2013-11-01, 11:50:23 Date Registered: Jochen

2013-11-10, 09:41:46 Last Active: Leezil

2013-12-09, 09:35:19 Last Active: drpepperyummy
2013-12-22, 21:46:24 Last Active: ltiv

2015-01-10, 20:58:12 Last Active: Xtrem999

2016-12-26, 09:33:04Last Active: BioBTC

2018-03-26, 16:50:34 Last Active: mert1337

2018-04-09, 18:31:43 Last Active: dabest1
2018-04-10, 13:13:23 Last Active: fildza

2018-07-14, 20:16:54 Last Active: Fuckbuddies

2018-07-23, 03:07:15 Last Active: beegatewood

2018-11-06, 08:14:25 Last Active: Kyle91

2019-03-28, 23:43:19 Last Active: Jochen

2021-02-02, 08:33:27 Last Active: exstasie




@YOSHIE identifies five alts connected via Twitter feeds and other means:

Code:
2011-05-14, 05:49:48 Date Registered: 	yeponlyone

2013-05-19, 12:32:39 Date Registered: Marbit

2013-06-02, 19:04:11 Date Registered: mega

2013-06-21, 06:01:21 Date Registered: Argwai96
2013-06-21, 06:26:01 Date Registered: Gimmelfarb
2013-06-22, 03:14:36 Date Registered: AceWallen
2013-06-22, 03:22:06 Date Registered: HarHarHar9965

2014-01-09, 16:56:05 Date Registered: angrynerd88

2015-07-28, 02:34:38 Last Active: AceWallen

2017-11-30, 08:41:39 Last Active: Argwai96

2018-12-09, 22:07:12 Last Active: Marbit

2019-07-09, 18:05:47 Last Active: yeponlyone

2019-07-24, 06:46:27 Last Active: Gimmelfarb

2020-02-26, 15:54:36 Last Active: HarHarHar9965




Let's put the multiple lists together and examine the results:

(note, the figmentofmyass alts I'll show in brown - the colour of shit - because let's face it... that's all figmentofmyass is ... a DT1 Troll piece of shit...)
The two UID's that are mentioned in both threads I've marked in RED while
the alts I connected in 2017 are marked in orange.
Interestingly gentlemand is identified as having stopped posting when they were removed from the chipmixer campaign...  Their registration date is spot on for these two clusters:
YOSHIE'S connections I show in blue.

2011-05-14, 05:49:48 Date Registered:    yeponlyone

2011-05-30, 19:00:03 Date Registered:    dabest1

2012-07-13, 18:56:47 Date Registered:    Fuckbuddies

2012-11-21, 06:21:20 Date Registered:    MAbtc

2013-05-19, 12:32:39 Date Registered:    Marbit

2013-06-02, 19:04:11 Date Registered:    mega

2013-06-21, 06:01:21 Date Registered:    Argwai96
2013-06-21, 06:26:01 Date Registered:    Gimmelfarb
2013-06-22, 03:14:36 Date Registered:    AceWallen
2013-06-22, 03:22:06 Date Registered:    HarHarHar9965

2013-07-09, 18:43:52 Date Registered:    illyiller
2013-07-09, 18:49:13 Date Registered:    figmentofmyass
2013-07-11, 20:33:34 Date Registered:    fildza

2013-07-26, 11:21:21 Date Registered:    Wipeout2097

2013-08-10, 12:58:55 Date Registered:    Kyle91

2013-09-13, 02:37:29 Date Registered:    drpepperyummy

2013-09-24, 01:15:27 Date Registered:     ltiv

2013-10-26, 23:51:06 Date Registered:    beegatewood
2013-10-28, 00:34:01 Date Registered:    exstasie
2013-10-29, 01:01:20 Date Registered:    mert1337
2013-10-29, 05:35:27 Date Registered:    Xtrem999
2013-10-30, 12:33:31 Date Registered:    gentlemand
2013-10-30, 19:49:21 Date Registered:    Leezil
2013-10-31, 15:04:09Date Registered:    BioBTC
2013-11-01, 11:50:23 Date Registered:    Jochen

2013-11-10, 09:41:46 Last Active:    Leezil

2013-11-18, 04:37:55 Date Registered:    squatter
2013-11-18, 06:41:48 Date Registered:    marky89

2013-12-09, 09:35:19 Last Active:    drpepperyummy
2013-12-22, 21:46:24 Last Active:     ltiv

2014-01-09, 16:56:05 Date Registered:    angrynerd88

2014-07-27, 20:08:36 Date Registered:    manchester93
2014-07-27, 20:20:46 Date Registered:    romani245
2014-07-27, 20:31:48 Date Registered:    illinest

2015-01-10, 20:58:12 Last Active:    Xtrem999

2015-07-28, 02:34:38 Last Active:    AceWallen

2016-12-26, 09:33:04Last Active:    BioBTC

2017-11-30, 08:41:39 Last Active:    Argwai96

2018-03-26, 16:50:34 Last Active:    mert1337

2018-04-09, 18:31:43 Last Active:    dabest1
2018-04-10, 13:13:23 Last Active:    fildza

2018-07-14, 20:16:54 Last Active:    Fuckbuddies

2018-07-23, 03:07:15 Last Active:    beegatewood

2018-11-06, 08:14:25 Last Active:    Kyle91

2018-12-09, 22:07:12 Last Active:    Marbit

2019-03-28, 23:43:19 Last Active:    Jochen

2019-07-09, 18:05:47 Last Active:    yeponlyone

2019-07-24, 06:46:27 Last Active:    Gimmelfarb

2019-11-09, 08:23:27 Last Active:    marky89

2020-01-15, 05:50:16  Last Active:    MAbtc

2020-02-19, 17:55:53 Last Active:    romani245

2020-02-26, 15:54:36 Last Active:    HarHarHar9965

2020-03-05, 07:53:32 Last Active:    manchester93
2020-03-05, 07:53:48 Last Active:    illinest

2020-11-26, 01:08:26 Last Active:    mega

2020-12-06, 02:36:16 Last Active:    gentlemand

2021-01-19, 20:49:35 Last Active:    illyiller

2021-01-27, 10:33:45 Last Active:    squatter
2021-01-30, 03:01:58 Last Active:    figmentofmyass

2021-02-01, 10:50:47 - This thread starts

2021-02-02, 08:33:27 Last Active:    exstasie

Today at 09:22:48 Last Active:       Wipeout2097
Today at 09:58:35 Last Active:    angrynerd88




This doesn't take into account the running list of SwC poker handles




Credits should also be given to Timelord2067 who first found some connection with his accounts back in 2017 related to some piratcoin pump and dump:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1702409.msg17520054#msg17520054

Thanks @dkbit98 for your support.




It seems that timeloard believes one of the accounts is a farmed account connected to a different farm. IDK if the accounts are still “connected” to the same person as the connection is from several years ago. My guess is that all the accounts in the OP were likely available for sale at one point, if not actually sold.

I wouldn't trust timelord's ratings especially ones from so long ago as 2017. He used to have a bizarre habit of tying people together using twisted logic that only made sense to him. My memory is hazy but I'm pretty sure figmentofmyass was well known to belong to an account farmer or was sold at one point. That name definitely sticks out.

Middle finger of the thread goes to hilariousetc... - Don't forget people... DT1 Trolls yelling long and loud ...




I believe most of what @quickseller has said in this thread is spin to protect past clients.


Title: Re: Long-time sig campaign farm ID'd via single wallet transaction
Post by: Quickseller on February 10, 2021, 07:49:42 AM

I believe most of what @quickseller has said in this thread is spin to protect past clients.
I have no reason to protect my former clients. I have not traded forum accounts in years, and will almost certainly not deal with any of my former clients again.

Most likely this person bought a number of accounts and was able to enroll may of them into high paying signature campaigns. Who knows, maybe he has more still enrolled in CM.


Title: Re: Long-time sig campaign farm ID'd via single wallet transaction
Post by: LoyceV on February 10, 2021, 04:19:24 PM
Who knows, maybe he has more still enrolled in CM.
I thought of that possibility too. It would be interesting (but painstaking) to cross-check all addresses ever posted by all participants.


Title: Re: Long-time sig campaign farm ID'd via single wallet transaction
Post by: JollyGood on February 10, 2021, 04:49:35 PM
Well it happened to me too, figmentofmyass also contacted DT members asking them to either remove me from their trust list or add me to their distrust list.

I did question why but the idea of sock-puppets or alt-accounts never really came to my mind. I now think I must given red trust to one of his alt-accounts and that must have struck a nerve therefore he tried his best to manipulate others against me.

Well... Well... Well...

So the DT1 Troll figmentofmyass who DT distrusted me and spent many months convincing other DT1 Trolls that my investigations into alts was wild hysteria has been proven to be in actual fact an alt scammer him/herself scamming from the largest SigCamp.


Title: Re: Long-time sig campaign farm ID'd via single wallet transaction
Post by: mikeywith on February 10, 2021, 07:31:12 PM
I thought of that possibility too. It would be interesting (but painstaking) to cross-check all addresses ever posted by all participants.

Enough shocks for this month, can you do that a month later?. ;D.

When you think about it, blockchain evidence is hard to deny even if someone tries to frame you, imagine if someone wants to connect your account to an alt, they can easily send you funds from the address they use for another signature campain, or send it to the address you send to, of course, I'd imagine another chipmixer participant won't attempt that unless they are willing to lose their spot in the process, but it all can be done "theoretically".

This brings up a question, is there someone who is willing to spend some BTC for an extended period just to frame someone?


Title: Re: Long-time sig campaign farm ID'd via single wallet transaction
Post by: DaveF on February 10, 2021, 07:44:58 PM
This brings up a question, is there someone who is willing to spend some BTC for an extended period just to frame someone?

I guess it would depend on the amount of BTC vs. the desire for revenge / screwing with people and their own economic situation.

If you REALLY REALLY pissed me off and for $30 week for 9 months (36 weeks) so a bit less then $1100 it might just be worth it. If I could really screw with you.
**But it would have to have done something really over the top for me to do that. Like ulta horrible, it's just not me or my thing. Others may feel differently.**

OTOH, the sig campaign I am in and have been in for 40+ weeks is paying $60 so it would be blowing 1/2 my "free" money.
If someone felt really wronged, they could look at it as only earning $30 a week instead of spending $30 a week.

YMMV.

-Dave


Title: Re: Long-time sig campaign farm ID'd via single wallet transaction
Post by: nutildah on February 10, 2021, 09:36:50 PM
Part I of II

I usually don't place much credit on "similar" registration dates (depending on how you define it), but in some instances it can certainly act as a piece of the puzzle, so I'll give credit where its due.

Generally speaking, the weight of similar registration dates shouldn't be enough to "convict" somebody of being an alt on their own, as a lot of harmless accounts can get caught in the crossfire. It should be used to add credence to a pre-existing theory.

So let's break it down in terms of what is correct usage of this as evidence vs. what is not.

from the OP's list of those they identified this simple list of the UID's involved shows their various creation dates / last active dates:




Code:
2012-11-21, 06:21:20 Date Registered: 	MAbtc

2013-07-09, 18:43:52 Date Registered: illyiller
2013-07-09, 18:49:13 Date Registered: figmentofmyass

2013-10-28, 00:34:01 Date Registered: exstasie

2013-11-18, 04:37:55 Date Registered: squatter
2013-11-18, 06:41:48 Date Registered: marky89

2014-07-27, 20:08:36 Date Registered: manchester93
2014-07-27, 20:20:46 Date Registered: romani245
2014-07-27, 20:31:48 Date Registered: illinest

2019-11-09, 08:23:27 Last Active: marky89

2020-01-15, 05:50:16  Last Active: MAbtc

2020-02-19, 17:55:53 Last Active: romani245

2021-02-02, 08:33:27 Last Active: exstasie

2020-03-05, 07:53:32 Last Active: manchester93
2020-03-05, 07:53:48 Last Active: illinest

2021-01-19, 20:49:35 Last Active: illyiller

2021-01-27, 10:33:45 Last Active: squatter
2021-01-30, 03:01:58 Last Active: figmentofmyass

Here we can clearly see 3 sets of accounts registered just minutes or hours apart. We already know suspect they're alts and the registration dates of at least 7 of these accounts pretty clearly adds to that theory. We also know there's a good chance he created these accounts specifically for the purpose of gaming the forum, and he's likely not coming back under them.

Here's where things start to get a little off the rails:

Were @darkstar_ to compile a list (indeed *any* Campaign Manager) something like that would stand out like a sore thumb.

While doing this may yield interesting results further worth pursuing, it's a great way to get a lot of innocents caught up in the crossfire and suspecting people of being alts on this criteria alone is a bad idea.


Title: Re: Long-time sig campaign farm ID'd via single wallet transaction
Post by: ibminer on February 10, 2021, 09:42:23 PM
Stop thinking in a world of rules and control and start thinking in a world where all possibilities and opportunities will be taken advantage of by someone, and protect yourself accordingly..

Your world sucks. :P
A world where only the most immoral and unethical people will thrive and dominate.. this is the world you want?

How are you going to "protect yourself accordingly" when all forms of possible protection are taken advantage of by someone, and aren't forms of protection at all anymore?  You'll either become them, or be owned by them.

I'm all about personal freedoms and independence.. i.e. governments, banks, etc.. should not have the type of power they have and should be limited on many fronts. However, no rules, no policies, no government at all... will not be a good thing.. not if you want to have a somewhat civil society or community.

I absolutely don't condone deception, but as far as scamming and defrauding goes, this is all very tame by bitcointalk or cryptocurrency-sphere standards.

It seems counterintuitive to say you absolutely do not condone deceptive behavior, but then try to play down deceptive behaviors.
Do you believe a person willing to cheat on a signature campaign for money is not going to cheat on a no-fee raffle, if he believes he can't be caught?  What odds would you give for this happening?

my tribute to this great legend:

 ???


Anyway, good work nutildah! ;D


Title: Re: Long-time sig campaign farm ID'd via single wallet transaction
Post by: nutildah on February 10, 2021, 09:43:21 PM
Part II of II

So, here are the UID's I said are alts ways back in 2017:

Code:
2011-05-30, 19:00:03 Date Registered: 	dabest1

2012-07-13, 18:56:47 Date Registered: Fuckbuddies

2013-07-11, 20:33:34Date Registered: fildza

2013-07-26, 11:21:21 Date Registered: Wipeout2097

2013-08-10, 12:58:55 Date Registered: Kyle91

2013-09-13, 02:37:29 Date Registered: drpepperyummy

2013-09-24, 01:15:27 Date Registered: ltiv

2013-10-26, 23:51:06 Date Registered: beegatewood
2013-10-28, 00:34:01 Date Registered: exstasie
2013-10-29, 01:01:20 Date Registered: mert1337
2013-10-29, 05:35:27 Date Registered: Xtrem999
2013-10-30, 19:49:21 Date Registered: Leezil
2013-10-31, 15:04:09Date Registered: BioBTC
2013-11-01, 11:50:23 Date Registered: Jochen

OK so now you're literally declaring people alts who have registered up to 15 months apart. Even between 10-26 and 11-01, how many accounts do you think were registered in that time period? Hundreds, at least.

I see you also connected them for shilling the same ICO (didn't look into it), so it could very well be they are bought accounts or are still part of a farm, but again I think you run the risk of involving too many innocents on these two things alone.

This I disagree with entirely, and I'll explain why:

...
2013-10-26, 23:51:06 Date Registered:    beegatewood
2013-10-28, 00:34:01 Date Registered:    exstasie
2013-10-29, 01:01:20 Date Registered:    mert1337
2013-10-29, 05:35:27 Date Registered:    Xtrem999
2013-10-30, 12:33:31 Date Registered:    gentlemand
2013-10-30, 19:49:21 Date Registered:    Leezil
2013-10-31, 15:04:09Date Registered:    BioBTC
2013-11-01, 11:50:23 Date Registered:    Jochen
...

This is exactly why you can't use registration date as your only piece of evidence for connecting alts. FOMA lives somewhere in the pacific northwest would be my guess, as his 3 biggest accounts post from that timezone (I didn't check the inactives). He's either American or Canadian whereas gentlemand is British through and through. It took me a minute to find this example and I'm sure there's hundreds of others:

...
In this day and age forums are on their way out unless already established. People do Facebook groups and IM stuff like Telegram or Discord. I think it's an unfortunate development as all that info effectively vapourises.
...

Americans spell the word "vaporizes."

You'd be hard pressed to find any FOMA-connected account who spells things British. Actually it's a challenge and I'll award 25 merits to someone who finds an example that proves me wrong.

imagine if someone wants to connect your account to an alt, they can easily send you funds from the address they use for another signature campain

If somebody randomly sends me bitcoin to my sig campaign / staked address, I suppose I'll have to learn to deal with the consequences.

Anyway, good work nutildah! ;D

Thanks!


Title: Re: Long-time sig campaign farm ID'd via single wallet transaction
Post by: suchmoon on February 10, 2021, 10:27:49 PM
This brings up a question, is there someone who is willing to spend some BTC for an extended period just to frame someone?

Cost and suicidal strategy aside, it's not as easy as it may seem. You would have to rely on the recipient having poor privacy practices (spending unknown UTXOs, comingling, address reuse, etc).


Title: Re: Long-time sig campaign farm ID'd via single wallet transaction
Post by: Quickseller on February 11, 2021, 12:22:06 AM
This brings up a question, is there someone who is willing to spend some BTC for an extended period just to frame someone?
It is possible (and is actually happened in the past) that someone can frame someone for being a scammer without spending any BTC.

This happened (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1072408.0) to ndnh (formerly ndnhc) in 2015. Someone extorted someone, had their extortion scheme exposed, then posted an address that could be spend-linked to an address that ndnh posted to receive the proceeds from a loan. In that particular case, the evidence was intended to not stand up to scrutiny, as the address was posted in a giveaway/prediction thread whose deadline had expired, that ndnh was running(?). If someone had wanted the accusation to stick, they could have made minor adjustments to what they did.


Title: Re: Long-time sig campaign farm ID'd via single wallet transaction
Post by: Timelord2067 on February 11, 2021, 01:06:48 AM
Well it happened to me too, figmentofmyass also contacted DT members asking them to either remove me from their trust list or add me to their distrust list.

I did question why but the idea of sock-puppets or alt-accounts never really came to my mind. I now think I must given red trust to one of his alt-accounts and that must have struck a nerve therefore he tried his best to manipulate others against me.

Well... Well... Well...

So the DT1 Troll figmentofmyass who DT distrusted me and spent many months convincing other DT1 Trolls that my investigations into alts was wild hysteria has been proven to be in actual fact an alt scammer him/herself scamming from the largest SigCamp.

Thanks for your good wishes @JollyGood , as sad as it sounds, unfortunately for the moment at least, we are stuck with DT1 Trolls who will attempt to undermine our work.




As you can see from the OP's post just a few prior to this follow up post of mine, the OP attempts to erode others with FUD flying in the face of cold hard facts.

For example:  At no point in my one prior post in this thread do I make any suggestion that any of the subsets are alts of any of the other subsets.  I even quoted the hypothesis' put forwards by others and compared the available data to answer their speculation, but made no confirmation statements concerning any of the UID's mentioned in this thread.




We will just have to keep calling out the DT1 Trolls as they whack-a-mole rear their ugly heads, rinse and repeat.

See you over in the Known Alts thread.


Title: Re: Long-time sig campaign farm ID'd via single wallet transaction
Post by: nutildah on February 11, 2021, 01:18:51 AM
I know you're talking to me and not around me. So, let's address your point together:

For example:  At no point in my one prior post in this thread do I make any suggestion that any of the subsets are alts of any of the other subsets.  I even quoted the hypothesis' put forwards by others and compared the available data to answer their speculation, but made no confirmation statements concerning any of the UID's mentioned in this thread.

I guess this doesn't mean what I thought it meant:

Quote
So, here are the UID's I said are alts ways back in 2017:

Regardless of how we interpret your mention of gentlemand, the fact that his account "registration date is spot on for these two clusters" has nothing to do with anything. By bringing it up here you are inferring that it does. I am telling you 100% it does not.


Title: Re: Long-time sig campaign farm ID'd via single wallet transaction
Post by: LoyceV on February 11, 2021, 10:18:59 AM
imagine if someone wants to connect your account to an alt, they can easily send you funds from the address they use for another signature campain, or send it to the address you send to
~
This brings up a question, is there someone who is willing to spend some BTC for an extended period just to frame someone?
If anyone wants to do this, please send your free Bitcoin to any address I own, and not to any of the addresses I send coins to. I may or may not have access to those addresses. I don't mind receiving free Bitcoin, and I'm not afraid at all of any accusations.

If you REALLY REALLY pissed me off and for $30 week for 9 months (36 weeks) so a bit less then $1100 it might just be worth it. If I could really screw with you.
**But it would have to have done something really over the top for me to do that. Like ulta horrible, it's just not me or my thing. Others may feel differently.**
So you're saying.... I have to do something really bad to get $1100 for free? I don't think that's how punishing someone works.


Title: Re: Long-time sig campaign farm ID'd via single wallet transaction
Post by: hilariousetc on February 11, 2021, 10:38:39 AM
I thought of that possibility too. It would be interesting (but painstaking) to cross-check all addresses ever posted by all participants.

Enough shocks for this month, can you do that a month later?. ;D.

When you think about it, blockchain evidence is hard to deny even if someone tries to frame you, imagine if someone wants to connect your account to an alt, they can easily send you funds from the address they use for another signature campain, or send it to the address you send to, of course, I'd imagine another chipmixer participant won't attempt that unless they are willing to lose their spot in the process, but it all can be done "theoretically".

This brings up a question, is there someone who is willing to spend some BTC for an extended period just to frame someone?

I'm surprised this hasn't been done much more to be honest as it's very easy to do and just create a throwaway account to 'expose' it and let the feeding frenzy of default trust warriors go in for the kill. Somone would have to be pretty pissed off at you but who here hasn't annoyed someone at one point and we all know how petty some people can be.

This brings up a question, is there someone who is willing to spend some BTC for an extended period just to frame someone?

I guess it would depend on the amount of BTC vs. the desire for revenge / screwing with people and their own economic situation.

If you REALLY REALLY pissed me off and for $30 week for 9 months (36 weeks) so a bit less then $1100 it might just be worth it. If I could really screw with you.
**But it would have to have done something really over the top for me to do that. Like ulta horrible, it's just not me or my thing. Others may feel differently.**



Well it doesn't really matter how much was sent. All it takes is one transaction to link an address to another.



Here's where things start to get a little off the rails:

Were @darkstar_ to compile a list (indeed *any* Campaign Manager) something like that would stand out like a sore thumb.

While doing this may yield interesting results further worth pursuing, it's a great way to get a lot of innocents caught up in the crossfire and suspecting people of being alts on this criteria alone is a bad idea.

And that's where timelord fucks up. He's used worse parameters than that before for allegedly tying up accounts often verging on the ridiculous.

Well it happened to me too, figmentofmyass also contacted DT members asking them to either remove me from their trust list or add me to their distrust list.

I did question why but the idea of sock-puppets or alt-accounts never really came to my mind. I now think I must given red trust to one of his alt-accounts and that must have struck a nerve therefore he tried his best to manipulate others against me.

Well... Well... Well...

So the DT1 Troll figmentofmyass who DT distrusted me and spent many months convincing other DT1 Trolls that my investigations into alts was wild hysteria has been proven to be in actual fact an alt scammer him/herself scamming from the largest SigCamp.

Thanks for your good wishes @JollyGood , as sad as it sounds, unfortunately for the moment at least, we are stuck with DT1 Trolls who will attempt to undermine our work.


You undermine your own work with faulty conclusions and by the trust abuse you commit. Any 'good' work you do is invalidated when you use nonsense to tie other accounts together. You can't throw 50 darts at board and congratulate yourself when one of them manages to stick in whilst the rest fall to the floor.


Title: Re: Long-time sig campaign farm ID'd via single wallet transaction
Post by: JollyGood on February 11, 2021, 11:33:04 AM
I know you're talking to me and not around me. So, let's address your point together:

For example:  At no point in my one prior post in this thread do I make any suggestion that any of the subsets are alts of any of the other subsets.  I even quoted the hypothesis' put forwards by others and compared the available data to answer their speculation, but made no confirmation statements concerning any of the UID's mentioned in this thread.

I guess this doesn't mean what I thought it meant:

Quote
So, here are the UID's I said are alts ways back in 2017:

Regardless of how we interpret your mention of gentlemand, the fact that his account "registration date is spot on for these two clusters" has nothing to do with anything. By bringing it up here you are inferring that it does. I am telling you 100% it does not.
I agree with this....

gentlemand does have a particular (and in many way somewhat peculiar) manner of writing, to imitate that on an on-going basis as part of an alt-account group that has so many different ways of posting - used to milk and cheat signature campaigns - would be an extremely difficult thing to do.

There is a member in the forum that has stated he has met gentlemand in person, I believe him.



Well it happened to me too, figmentofmyass also contacted DT members asking them to either remove me from their trust list or add me to their distrust list.

I did question why but the idea of sock-puppets or alt-accounts never really came to my mind. I now think I must given red trust to one of his alt-accounts and that must have struck a nerve therefore he tried his best to manipulate others against me.

Well... Well... Well...

So the DT1 Troll figmentofmyass who DT distrusted me and spent many months convincing other DT1 Trolls that my investigations into alts was wild hysteria has been proven to be in actual fact an alt scammer him/herself scamming from the largest SigCamp.

Thanks for your good wishes @JollyGood , as sad as it sounds, unfortunately for the moment at least, we are stuck with DT1 Trolls who will attempt to undermine our work.


You undermine your own work with faulty conclusions and by the trust abuse you commit. Any 'good' work you do is invalidated when you use nonsense to tie other accounts together. You can't throw 50 darts at board and congratulate yourself when one of them manages to stick in whilst the rest fall to the floor.
@Timelord2067 I mentioned nothing else. I more or less stated I also was targeted by the figmentofmyass group because she/he/they tried to manipulate others in to distrusting me.

And you are right hilariousetc, though some of the accusations could be correct, it is somewhat counterproductive if 49 or so of those darts are not hitting the target. If something was presented that would make a very strong case for members to look at and head towards a general consensus it would have been better. Or if irrefutable evidence was presented then that speaks for itself.

I have a feeling this might not be over, there could be more accounts linked to the figmentofmyass account and since it has been a highly lucrative deception there is nothing stopping him from buying accounts or using dormant sleeper accounts to become active. Furthermore he could easily pay to be a copper member on a whole set of multiple accounts - he does have the funds after all.


Title: Re: Long-time sig campaign farm ID'd via single wallet transaction
Post by: pugman on February 12, 2021, 05:25:39 PM
Also, since potentially affected users lost against FomA in the competition to be admitted, them being accepted would technically mean CM would be paying for posts of inferior quality to those of FomA. :P

Counter-hypothetical: what if FOMA didn't cheat and made 120 posts per week with one account providing extra free advertising to CM, who could then hire one or two other users with the same budget and get even more advertising. That's basically how it works with honest participants like LoyceV who often exceeds the 50 post count by a large margin.
Yeah so Loyce can I hire you? You'are AI anyways so to speak. So technically, you won't cheating since you are no human. Thoughts?


Do you know what's even more ironic? I have always liked exstasie but I didn't really enjoy reading figmentofmyass's posts, it's "incredible" how one person may seem like a few, he indeed did a better job than "Kevin in the movie Split".
If I remember correctly, I particularly only had back-and-forths with exstasie and thought he was a one-up dude, pretty great and overall very chill. IT really sucked, things BTS weren't exactly so. But anyways, its a good thing, cause now we have new pARTICIPANTS! FELLOW CHIPMIXERS! So YEAHH!! excited for them!


Title: Re: Long-time sig campaign farm ID'd via single wallet transaction
Post by: malevolent on February 13, 2021, 12:40:27 AM
I absolutely don't condone deception, but as far as scamming and defrauding goes, this is all very tame by bitcointalk or cryptocurrency-sphere standards.
It seems counterintuitive to say you absolutely do not condone deceptive behavior, but then try to play down deceptive behaviors.

When countless people lose large amounts of money to hacks and scams, usually with no recourse, it's hard not to notice what seem to be interestingly disproportionate levels of indignation shown towards the behaviour of someone merely using alts at a signature campaign, sometimes to the point of comparing it to a robbery #118 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5313637.msg56273640#msg56273640).

Do you believe a person willing to cheat on a signature campaign for money is not going to cheat on a no-fee raffle, if he believes he can't be caught?  What odds would you give for this happening?

I have no idea, you'd have to ask them. Personally I believe the latter to be far worse.


Title: Re: Long-time sig campaign farm ID'd via single wallet transaction
Post by: DaveF on February 13, 2021, 01:44:54 AM
If you REALLY REALLY pissed me off and for $30 week for 9 months (36 weeks) so a bit less then $1100 it might just be worth it. If I could really screw with you.
**But it would have to have done something really over the top for me to do that. Like ulta horrible, it's just not me or my thing. Others may feel differently.**
So you're saying.... I have to do something really bad to get $1100 for free? I don't think that's how punishing someone works.

So, if I spent $1100 to get you kicked out of the ChipMixer campaign that would not be "punishment"
If I started a bunch of alt accounts that I deliberately got banned and had funds could be tied to them also get tied to your addresses so you get banned from here that would not be punishment?

There would be some time and effort on my part, and probably some BTC spent to get some decent accounts to farm so I could do some other work to tie them together and then to you.

As I also said, not my style, my style is the ignore button and a ~ in trust.

Not that I think I would ever have to do that to you.
My only gripe with you is the post scraper that archives all my misspellings and grammar mistakes before I can edit them. ;-)

-Dave


Title: Re: Long-time sig campaign farm ID'd via single wallet transaction
Post by: eddie13 on February 13, 2021, 02:04:54 AM

My only gripe with you is the post scraper that archives all my misspellings and grammar mistakes before I can edit them. ;-)

-Dave

Just always post a 1 liner and edit into the masterpiece you intended..


Title: Re: Long-time sig campaign farm ID'd via single wallet transaction
Post by: LoyceV on February 13, 2021, 08:33:29 AM
So, if I spent $1100 to get you kicked out of the ChipMixer campaign that would not be "punishment"
If I started a bunch of alt accounts that I deliberately got banned and had funds could be tied to them also get tied to your addresses so you get banned from here that would not be punishment?
You missed this part:
I'm not afraid at all of any accusations.
I like to think you can't fabricate hard evidence this way. I've seen fabricated plagiarism (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4601461.msg41533327#msg41533327) too.

My only gripe with you is the post scraper that archives all my misspellings and grammar mistakes before I can edit them. ;-)
Lol (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5273824.0)


Title: Re: Long-time sig campaign farm ID'd via single wallet transaction
Post by: eddie13 on February 13, 2021, 06:28:31 PM
Stop thinking in a world of rules and control and start thinking in a world where all possibilities and opportunities will be taken advantage of by someone, and protect yourself accordingly..

Your world sucks. :P
A world where only the most immoral and unethical people will thrive and dominate.. this is the world you want?

How are you going to "protect yourself accordingly" when all forms of possible protection are taken advantage of by someone, and aren't forms of protection at all anymore?  You'll either become them, or be owned by them.

I'm all about personal freedoms and independence.. i.e. governments, banks, etc.. should not have the type of power they have and should be limited on many fronts. However, no rules, no policies, no government at all... will not be a good thing.. not if you want to have a somewhat civil society or community.

Sucks?
Well maybe, but it’s reality.. Maybe reality sucks..

If you are going to offer something to “anonymous” aliases, then why would you not EXPECT it to be taken advantage of by one person being multiple aliases?
Would you advocate for kyc? (Imagine ChipMixer requiring kyc lmao)

If forms of protection are available to all, that sounds fair to me..
I don’t think banks should be limited/regulated either, but at the same time they should have no special privileges or protections over any other person or company..

What makes the world “suck” in my opinion is when a government meddles with absolutely free voluntary capitalism in any way, such as giving banks privileges to do anything anyone else is regulated from doing, and then trying to regulate limits on a bank they just gave privileges to in the first place..

Like being a “licensed money transmitter”.. Ridiculous..
Why? To stop people from selling drugs at extremely jacked up prices due to government regulation, and to stop government tax evasion??

Fuck government.. They cause almost all of the problems in the first place they attempt to solve later..

If you are scared you can’t protect yourself so feel you need a government to protect you, then.. idk we aren’t the same..

When you step into a/this world of anonymity and unstoppable/unregulatable/unconfinscatable/untraceable cryptocurrency that was designed in the first place for the purpose of being possibly the most ultimate tool of liberty the world has ever seen, what do you expect? Puppies and kittens?

Satoshi didn’t create Bitcoin with the intention of making people rich, or it to be a cheaper/easier form of currency..
Satoshi created Bitcoin with its main principals/intentions of being able to fuck banks and governments right in their asses while remaining unstoppable.. (see the big blocker debate, decentralization and robustness against government attack [small blocks at the cost of reduced throughput])
You a BitchCoin fan?

You can use Bitcoin for whatever you want, but the fact is Bitcoin is basically the purest rendition of straight anarchy that has ever existed..

“But governments regulate what you can do with Bitcoin” - NO!! Governments merely regulate what punishment they will inflict on you IF you do XYZ with Bitcoin, but you can still do anything XYZ with Bitcoin and they cannot stop you (or catch you if you are smart)..

So basically expect that people are doing XYZ “naughty” things with Bitcoin at all times, because they can and will..
If you can imagine that their is a Satoshi to be made doing anything, no matter how immoral, bet your ass someone is doing it.. Likely with the help of your dearest ChipMixer..
Because they can..

Wtf possibly are you going to do about it? NSA can’t stop it, surely you can’t either, so you might as well accept the world you live in for what it is, or choose to be or not to be in that world (crypto)..


Don’t like it? Maybe the first thing you should do is start advocating against ChipMixer!!

What do you think CM does?
They launder money! They protect tax evaders, protect drug dealers, hitmen, you name it, the most immoral profitable thing you can imagine I’m sure chipmixer has protected them..
It’s what they do!!

Chipmixer got “scammed” a little tiny bit by some guy writing posts? Lol..
How do you feel about DPR getting scammed by redandwhite?
Live by the sword, die by the sword? No?


What happened here is FOMA didn’t use ChipMixer!!
CM is made for people just like FOMA..

Y’all just love CM because they are a stand up company with great principles?
These are their principles!! Anarchy! Lawlessness, enabling every sort of “criminal” you can imagine!!
What world do you think your in exactly?


Title: Re: Long-time sig campaign farm ID'd via single wallet transaction
Post by: Slow death on February 16, 2021, 02:34:07 PM
What do you think CM does?
They launder money! They protect tax evaders, protect drug dealers, hitmen, you name it, the most immoral profitable thing you can imagine I’m sure chipmixer has protected them..
It’s what they do!!

Chipmixer got “scammed” a little tiny bit by some guy writing posts? Lol..
How do you feel about DPR getting scammed by redandwhite?
Live by the sword, die by the sword? No?


What happened here is FOMA didn’t use ChipMixer!!
CM is made for people just like FOMA..

Y’all just love CM because they are a stand up company with great principles?
These are their principles!! Anarchy! Lawlessness, enabling every sort of “criminal” you can imagine!!
What world do you think your in exactly?

about your comment, I think the following:

did the chipmixer owner create a mixer for thieves or created for anyone who wants more privacy? i'm not a chipmixer owner i can only assume that it created for anyone to have more privacy.

because if he know (have proof) that criminals are using his mixer to commit crimes this is dangerous and bad.

bad because sooner or later the police will knock on his door and from what I see the justice system is very cruel for this type of crime


Title: Re: Long-time sig campaign farm ID'd via single wallet transaction
Post by: eddie13 on February 18, 2021, 01:21:05 AM
What do you think CM does?
They launder money! They protect tax evaders, protect drug dealers, hitmen, you name it, the most immoral profitable thing you can imagine I’m sure chipmixer has protected them..
It’s what they do!!

Chipmixer got “scammed” a little tiny bit by some guy writing posts? Lol..
How do you feel about DPR getting scammed by redandwhite?
Live by the sword, die by the sword? No?


What happened here is FOMA didn’t use ChipMixer!!
CM is made for people just like FOMA..

Y’all just love CM because they are a stand up company with great principles?
These are their principles!! Anarchy! Lawlessness, enabling every sort of “criminal” you can imagine!!
What world do you think your in exactly?

about your comment, I think the following:

did the chipmixer owner create a mixer for thieves or created for anyone who wants more privacy? i'm not a chipmixer owner i can only assume that it created for anyone to have more privacy.

because if he know (have proof) that criminals are using his mixer to commit crimes this is dangerous and bad.

bad because sooner or later the police will knock on his door and from what I see the justice system is very cruel for this type of crime

I’m sure CM has mountains of proof of crimes.. But supposedly they always constantly delete it..


Title: Re: Long-time sig campaign farm ID'd via single wallet transaction
Post by: InwardContour on May 10, 2021, 04:59:00 AM
I'm still trying to figure out if you guys just derive joy in giving red trust or there is something else. How am I connected to the strange accounts. Please check again


Title: Re: Long-time sig campaign farm ID'd via single wallet transaction
Post by: nutildah on May 10, 2021, 05:33:00 AM
I'm still trying to figure out if you guys just derive joy in giving red trust or there is something else. How am I connected to the strange accounts. Please check again

OK, checked again. Your account has been involved with cheating giveaways, sig campaigns and bounties since 2013. For example, these two addresses are part of the same wallet (https://www.walletexplorer.com/wallet/32f7083b0ee4222f/addresses):

https://i.imgur.com/h9godlj.png

More recent proof you're ban evading:

#PROOF OF AUTHENTICATION
Bitcointalk username : InwardContour
Bitcointalk profile : https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=131697
Telegram username : @inwardcontour
ETH address : 0x4f9506cfCefC978cACA23C99f3f1Dacaa46900d2
...

On 2020-01-23 you sent STDEX tokens to this address (https://etherscan.io/address/0xca8ac2cfb290acb3a4d361be64ed67bb48a87e0c#tokentxns), which collected other STDEX tokens from the following bounty hunters:

HunterUnchained (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5256993.msg54656982#msg54656982) (banned)
Favouredheart (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4905164.msg46999263#msg46999263) (banned)
Bananington (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5165081.msg52095365#msg52095365) (inactive)


Title: Re: Long-time sig campaign farm ID'd via single wallet transaction
Post by: Bitcoin_Arena on May 10, 2021, 11:39:09 AM
I'm still trying to figure out if you guys just derive joy in giving red trust or there is something else. How am I connected to the strange accounts. Please check again
You have no idea about what's going on because on 10th June 2019 (https://bpip.org/Profile?id=131697), you bought/stole the account(s). Turns out, the account had been previously farmed by a serial signature campaign cheat.

After stealing/buying this particular account, you immediately applied for a bounty (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5137351.msg51459881#msg51459881) after a 5 year posting gap and thought whatever you did in the dark back then wouldn't catch up with you today?  :D


Title: Re: Long-time sig campaign farm ID'd via single wallet transaction
Post by: Timelord2067 on May 11, 2021, 01:01:39 AM
I'm still trying to figure out if you guys just derive joy in giving red trust or there is something else. How am I connected to the strange accounts. Please check again

I'm trying to figure out why scammers such as yourself have the gall to stand there and bald face challenge others in the face of compelling, and overwhelming evidence of your guilt.  Instead of Trolling or indeed scamming why don't you just stop.  You'll become a better person if you do.


Title: Re: Long-time sig campaign farm ID'd via single wallet transaction
Post by: DaveF on May 11, 2021, 04:49:28 PM
I'm trying to figure out why scammers such as yourself have the gall to stand there and bald face challenge others in the face of compelling, and overwhelming evidence of your guilt.  Instead of Trolling or indeed scamming why don't you just stop.  You'll become a better person if you do.

Because they don't care and have nothing better to do with their time.
Followed by the immortal words of Shaggy "It Wasn't Me" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sTMgX1PDGAE

But seriously, like most people you see on COPS / other live TV police shows even when caught on camera you see people deny it.
Why would you think an anonymous someone on the internet would not deny it too?

-Dave