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Some people are born rich or moderately rich, some are born middle class and some are born poor or extremely poor. All these conditions come along with a set of survival guides that the parents, relatives and even teachers will pass along as a map of life. For example, in a school of a country that does not give opportunity to its people, where most of the students are poor, it is unlikely that the teachers will induce them to think big or have big dreams...more likely they will aim to keep them apart from drugs, avoid problems with the government and try to imbue some basic skill for life. The ultra-poor do not even get that - which actually may be better.

In a preppy school, where most of the students are rich-born, the conversation is quite different. Culture, life, opportunity, spirit-de-corps and class mentality are imbued in the same manner, so the kids will somehow justify in their minds that they have the right to be rich even if they have not done anything for anyone in their lives - perhaps not even for themselves - because of some Darwinian property of cosmos.

As a result, the poor and even middle class have to jump over one real barrier, their lack of funds, and more importantly, like the Elephant that learns young that he cannot break the chains and never tries again, over their own state of mind, their own prison set by the terms of those who trying to help taught them to avoid anything but doing the same that keeps them poor.

Although, there could be few exceptional cases, but I noticed the poor will marry the poor, the rich will marry the rich, which automatically means the average will marry the average, this alone can prove your point validity an it is valid. The kind of exposure/environment the poor men children will experience is totally different from that which the rich men children will experience, this alone will give them different mentality. The rich men children are exposed to where there are opportunities while the poor men children are exposed to where there are less opportunities. The school, the street, the people the rich men and their children know etc is enough to let their mentality to be totally different from the poor people's mentality, also average people have theirs.

   Although we have a different class status of life and people have their own decisions to choose their life but in old generation once you are rich they are the one can enter the school universe, they are very lucky but in poor status they are just an slave for the rich people. Unlike now we are in democratic we can decide whatever we like and we want. Were so lucky to have a freedom but some situation are still exist but they just hide it.

The educational system usually teaches the people to be obedient and to follow the rules.
You can't become rich,if you are obedient.Rich people are usually making and breaking the rules,not following them.By "rules" I don't mean the law,but this can be applied to the law ass well.Gangsters and mobsters are coming from poor families,but they break the law and become rich.
Following the rules set by others is a poor person's mentality.Get a college degree,get a job,get a mortgage,get a wife and have kids,retire after 40 years of working.You can't become rich without creativity and without thinking outside the box.

As someone who was raised in a poverty-stricken country with parents who have nothing to offer, I agree with these thoughts. We were raised to believe that school is what's the most important thing there is for us to be successful in life, and even if we had a chance to immigrate to the US for some time, the teachings about school never changed. We were never taught to take risks and dream big, though I can proudly say that I was able to do so and get positive results in my life. The mindset alongside the teachings change greatly as more opportunities become available to a person.

Sometimes i feel certain people who have suffered alot of poverty are always scared of being poor or are too obsessed with class thing (poor,rich, middle class etc)

If you ask me what neighborhood i'd like to live in even though i wasn't really born rich or poor, i will choose good rural neighborhood full of "poor people". This is wisdom for those who understand.

All cells that make up human body are living lowly or humble life in the body, once they start becoming puffed-up or prideful,they could become Cancers and start increasing in size, creating tumors and becoming problems to the body.  Hope we know how cancer cells are treated by owner of the body.

There is one very beautiful quote by Bill Gates which fits best in this type of situation according to me.


I have seen many entrepreneurs and businessmen who have setup a billion dollar empire out of nothing and have spend their intial years of life in miserable condition of poverty but that dream and hard work was the factor which keeps them running and alive on their road.We can't say that we need to have like minded people who are say always discussing about important topics and teachers who have graduated from Oxford University to guide you how to succeed in life because you mind is the best support to you and have no limits but you just need to have knowledge of how to unlock it.Surviving in any conditions will give you the experience of life and how to deal with real world problems in life which are not being taught in any school but you learn themselves.But yes your mentality has a vital role to play in deciding your future life because if you want to be rich you will work for it and say 10-20% luck needs to be there.Rest you create history if this happen and next generation read about you in your biographies.

That's just how reality is. Inequality was set even before you were given the ability to think, and you can only lament on it once you've realized your own situation was different from the situation of others. Realizing that and accepting it early on could help you develop and move forward, but it's not like it's a sin to actually not accept it or complain about it. If you were poor, then just earn money, now if it was only that easy right? It's like those words skipped steps 2-99 and just went from step 1 to step 100 in terms of guiding people.
And we can't exactly blame them. Their situation just pretty much forces them to face how their current class affects their current life.

Life will never stop teaches lessons but it's up to the people whether they learn anything from it or not. There are a lot of millionaires and billionaires who started from nothing then they built their empire which we never know how to do it in any schools only the experience and problems facing in our life will do that. It may take time, like decades and generation but surely a poor man can change into a rich personality only if they realize what is going on in the world.

School is a place to learn the basic things but we need to learn everything on our own if we stand out in this world.

in my experience we can't categorize people like this based on their class and expect them to remain in that class just because they had or didn't have certain opportunities or the education to better themselves.

i have seen people from all groups go the other direction, for example rich kids who had zero education even though they had the privilege and ended up poor and poor kids who became so much more successful than anyone with better education and resources.

besides, the education is not just what you learn in schools. it is mostly what you learn from your life. you also don't need to see success to learn how to become successful, you can see failure and learn from those mistakes to not make them yourself.

Poor and rich are social problems that all countries have.  In the book I read entitled "Zakat", it is said that the solution for the poor and the rich is zakat, in the wealth of the rich there is a right for the poor 2.5% of the total because the essence of man was created to be a leader, when he is well off and has wealth.  If there is excess, then look at your family first, when your family is poor, in your property there is the right of your family and it is obligatory for you to give it.  When your family is prosperous then look at your surroundings, if your neighbor is poor, your neighbor has rights in your property and it is obligatory for you to give it.  When is it said that you are obliged to pay zakat for the poor, when your wealth has met the nisab (rules for calculating it), that is, your wealth is equivalent to 85 grams of gold.  With this zakat, wealth will be distributed to the needy according to the proportion so that human life becomes prosperous.

rich or poor is not destiny, but mindset...

God is not favoritism to humans, some are born rich but that doesn't mean those who are born poor can't be rich. if the poor try hard by continuing to study and work smarter then he too has a great chance to become rich, just look at how Elon Musk, Jeff Bezos, Mark Zuck who were not born into a rich family but can become very rich today.

Rich and poor people have different environments but as individuals no matter what your social status is, you should grind hard to make your life better. You should dream bigger so you wouldn't remain poor. Instead of making the status of being poor as an excuse, it would be better to make it as an inspiration to strive and grind harder. If we're all rich, then we'll never know how to deal with the hardships of life.

When it comes to mentality, poor and middle class individuals are only different for a bit. The poor ones tend to settle for less and prioritize surviving each day amidst how unjust the treatment of the world is towards them. Those in the middle class are those who are trying to survive and settle for less but with a hope that one day they will escape the prison that has encaged them since birth. In life, it's all about the mind most of the time. It's the way you see and perceive things wherein the ways lies under such and you only need to look at the right direction to finally find a way out.

First, there's not enough resources in the world to make everyone rich or middle class. So, no matter how hard you try to solve this problem, poor people will always exist. And next, social status can change. Poor people can make smart decisions and get a great career or become entrepreneurs, and rich kids can absolutely go broke by mismanaging their inherited wealth. Children are not copies of their parents.

IMO if we're not taking extreme cases (e.g. poor people that don't even have home, computer, and Internet access, can't read books, etc.), the mentality nowadays isn't defined only by the class in which you are born. Yes, school plays an important role, but you can read inspiring books, watch movies, learn history and, thus, change your mentality, learn to dream big. That's the awesomeness of our world - the open-source, you can find anything you want and self-educate, only if you are willing to.

what you say seems quite right compared to the realities of today's society. Why do I often think that children born in the wealthy class are different from poor children? If a rich child goes to school, the preschool teacher will treat him better or the learning environment will be more special than other poor children. And the psychology of poor children they only learn basic things such as literacy, but compared to rich children with rich families, they want their children to have dreams and study in good environments. but to later inherit the property they left and continue to develop it.

Your middle paragraph is what I agree with the most and you can expand on that.  People who are born into a higher classes see nothing but opportunities and tend to blame those born without such opportunities as the cause of their own lack of success, so the conversations they have about wealth are much different than the conversations about wealth the poorer classes have.  When you're born into privilege, you don't see all the barriers that prevent the lower classes from having the same opportunities because they're literally invisible to you and don't impact you.  When born into the lower classes, it's far easier to see how much better the upper classes have it and see the barriers that prevent you from moving up as intentionally designed, whether they were or not (but let's be honest, most of the time they were).  Even the middle class has far more opportunities than someone who was born poor.

Just for the fact that we don't live in a classless society, people are bound to have better opportunities/stand better chances of success than others even right from birth, even ones country of birth other than the immediate family plays a part in that, it's much better to be born in a developed country than an underdeveloped one, but even having said that, it doesn't mean than if one is privileged to have such advantages that they outrightly will be better than those who are not, of course their chances are higher, but they still have work to do on their own path, thus even people from poor backgrounds/underprivileged countries still break the chain and achieve success, hardwork has a lot to play in success, though a good background makes things a whole lot easier.

I'm born and my family isn't rich but I can classify as poor. But that didn't stopped my parents to think big with their dreams and as well as dreamed big for me and my siblings.
Well, today, I cannot say that we're rich now but I can say that we're living differently and at least we're able to get our basic needs and with a few of small things and wants that we desire.

This has been the bedrock of every single rich person in the world. Jeff bezos had wealthy family, elon musk had wealthy family, warren buffet had wealthy family, bill gates had wealthy family. Look at the forbes top rich list and you will see kids of wealthy families, I am not saying that they didn't build something of their own, of course becoming the richest person alive was a success, but they didn't reach there from a very poor family and a poor community school type deal, they all came from wealthy family and a great education.

At the end of the day if you are dropping out of Harvard, that is already saying so much about you to being with. Poor people who barely got anything to show for will come to a place, you do not have to stay poor, but you are not going to reach to places those wealthy people reach, they have advantage over you.

the hardships of life, say poverty, create real limitations. for those who are at this point, being able to get food on that day is a blessing, not thinking of collecting money to be rich but to fill a stomach that is not always full.
but from that adversity emerges tenacity and resilience in the worst of circumstances. those who want to change will definitely try harder with their limitations.
we really can't choose what kind of environment we are born in, that's why we are given the mind to adapt and find our own way of success.

Thats the reality if you're born poor or rich. I remember having a classmate (in middle school) from a well-off family, our teacher is nice to him and you can notice the difference on how the teacher treated other kids and this particular boy, its unfair.

Anyway our mindset depends on what's our status in reality, but even we are born from a poor family it doesnt mean we dont have a chance to change what we used to be. There's an education as the stepping stone and though the teachings are different compared to rich people, the point is how we drive ourselves after the lesson that we learned.

In fact, with the exception of some really difficult things, all other restrictions are in our head, in our thoughts, in relation to events and entities. Including money and wealth. Stay for a short time in a very poor family - what do adults talk about, what do children teach? Learn to BE POOR! They do not teach how to increase money, how to accumulate, invest, learn and earn using knowledge! And this poverty is mental or even "genetic", and it is almost impossible to change it.

I don't believe it is a mindset on anything like that.
Look, you can only know what you hear and see. If everyone around you are lower class, you probably won't be hearing any good business ideas or smart investments. On the other hand, if most people around you are rich, I bet you start hearing about that sort of things very early.
Then you go to school with other rich kids who probably will be doing very good in their lives. And you already get contacts in school, before anyone has actually done anything.
I could keep going but I think you get where I'm heading. Poor and rich live completely different lives. That's it. You don't know things that no one ever taught you. The lack of knowledge is the issue in my opinion.

This was an excellent study done on that very topic.


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Its a long term study contrasting the development of those born addicted to crack with those born and raised in poverty. It concludes being born in poverty. Being exposed to negative attitudes, ideas, addiction, violence, low expectations is more damaging than being born addicted to hard drugs. There's a lot of attention being given to socio economic status at the moment. Its sad to see some of the best information on it not being distributed more widely.

I remember first reading this around 8 years ago. It was a big story. Content like this isn't published anymore. Whatever the quality of our media is. Its definitely on a decline.

It is worrying that the poor do have the wrong way of thinking and that they get in their environment. Poor environment doesn't teach how to
manage money in order to make more money, therefore poor people will always spend money if given large amounts of money. Actually the key
to eradicating poverty is how to improve the education system, so that the way of thinking of the poor can change.

When a kid grows with people who just keep toiling without talking about getting richer and grows in an environment where he isn't taught about improving the quality of life, he will remain as-is for he may find comfort in it because he feels he isn't alone. But if a poor kid is brought to a new environment where he is influenced to learn economics, inventions, and finding solutions, he will find that achievement makes him feel good.

It's all about the environment that changes the mentality of a growing kid. And then he will probably aim to marry a beautiful girl from a richer family.

I was also raised by a poor family and they always instilled in my mind that education is the only hope to become successful in the future. And i agree on it because now that i'm already a degree holder, i can see the differences in the opportunities between a graduate and an uneducated man. But in the end, education will not make you an instant successful but the things that you've learned and how you apply it in the real life.

The environment is really a big factor on how it will mold a certain individual. And most of the time, the parents have such influence to how their kids will grow up, their ambitions in life and the likes. As you go thru life, you will start understanding people and life itself, and you will aim for better life if you happen to have better grasp of life. The obstacles such as financial will just be a challenge for you to aim your dreams in life.

This is a perfect sample of the middle class mentality of a developed country. Get free education, college, climb up the ladder = work for someone else. Nothing really wrong with it, but that will only elevate the status of one in a million.

RE "rich kids cannot do much about it" - so naïve, so beautiful ... and so wrong. They will create their own exclusive schools, the will mingle with their "equals" their dads own the company of that corporate ladder you want to climb and they will be placed high on it before you can even start. If you have talent, do something for yourself.

I think people who are born into rich families, they just make things easier for their children and that's not a bad thing. but it all back again from that person it does not guarantee he will be successful just because he was born in a rich family. this is an exception if his family are super rich. I've heard some good quote from tik tok (show me your friend and i show you who you are) the point is the environment that influences people's lives.

OP, thanks for this thread. After reading your thoughts. A project came to mind that has become a reality and that has spread to at least 70 countries under the same essence, the education of children and young people through music. The education that is imparted is free by which poor children and even those who are in danger in the world of drugs, they can access it and join an orchestra. I'm talking about El Sistema founded by José Antonio Abreu Anselmi 05/07/93 - 03/24/18 (Venezuela).


I know that there are many programs like this and with different missions, but we need more action from society to eradicate poverty.

This is a very insightful read.

I do think that nurture has a much larger role in determining outcomes compared to nature. Your physcial genes likely only determine the first 10% of your success, and the next 70-80% is really what you surround yourself with from an early age. The last 10-20% is actual effort/hard work.

It's not only a mentality, but also the networks and connections that you form. It shouldn't surprise anyone that the world is incredibly nepotistic.

depend on the views of the parent , there are parents that wanted their children to learn how hard life is so they will be ready to face even the hardest in the future .

not to mentioned those spoiled brats that knows nothing but to be feed and dressed.

Even super rich families can be drowned from poorness once the wealth mismanaged and that is why rich people are very particular on who can enter their family they must be rich and stable also..
Lol it is not from tiktok but that is a quote of life, "Tell me who your friends are , and I'll tell you who you are"

because Birds of the same feather flocks together.

Yep, and the culture is also different. I remember the poor man culture (*cough* socialism) was exist in my years of public school education, but not so much in the private school. The teacher's attitude was also different so that you can tell which was paid less. I came to the conclusion, if the poor get the same culture and the education quality as the rich, their future will differ significantly. Yes, the poor still have the lack of capital, but at least they can/will fight, instead of giving up, become unemployed, etc.

Finances are always a problem in every family in modern society today, you couldn't live today if you have no electricity and water which is also the bills of these utilities that will drag down the life of poor families. If there is just a free source of electricity and water, it will be easier for families to save money for other things like planing a business. Government has to take responsibility for this kind of problem actually.

Solar power would be good but then the production of these materials somehow is not available in every country and importing are for the rich only especially in poor countries like where I am.

Well, Drugs is a problem not just for the very poor but for the very rich too. I hear tales about how young people in villages fall prey to cheap drugs. At the same time, kids in high school at some of the most expensive schools around my place were recently busted for rave parties and abusing drugs.
Though the rich have a much better chance of coming out of addiction in one piece.

Your topic suggests that being rich and poor comes from mentality. I don't think that being poor places any sorts of restrictions on a person becoming wealthy. One of the wealthiest businessmen in Asia, the Late Dhirubhai Ambani wasn't born in wealth. There are several such examples of resourceful people coming from humble backgrounds and making it big. I think this plays out differently in the West and in the East.

The east has traditionally not been so hedonistic and materialistic. People's mentality and self-worth isn't affected by what society they are born in. Their breaking out of their classes is often a result of fearlessness, resourcefulness and just this insatiable quest to win. The poor/ middle class in the west become a part of the consumerist, debt-ridden culture. This isn't so in the east where saving and being debt free is considered important. As a young adult, you are protected from society's expectations because of your family. At the end, if you are lucky enough to have a loving, nurturing family, there is no limit to what you can achieve with hard work.

That is the problem - their thinking and approaches to spending money are such that they do not give an opportunity to break out of this state. Instead of spending on education, training, they eat it up with tears of "why are we so poor." For example, the concept of "financial cushion" is not familiar to them at all, or this practice is considered unacceptable. Explanation for everything that is not done from what needs to be done - "we are poor." In one word - without a change in mentality, it is useless to expect a change in their state.

That's how the masters of this world wants it, to give people education that is enough for them to do the job but not enough to be mad about being an employee. Yes your opinion is right, it is a modern day slavery, they just wouldn't talk about it that way because it's bad for the business. Sometimes the fault doesn't lie on the poor but the exploitative capitalist regime.

It's obvious that while some persons are born in linage of poverty is due to the initial foundations of their parents and the same thing is applicable to some people who are born in the wealthy family also, so what we are suppose to be looking at now is the factors that attribute or causes poverty and how to eradicate them for the offsprings.

Yeah, it's one of the benefits to be educated or to attend school, is to be versatile in knowledge mentality so that the steps our parents made via poverty will be corrected, and it's obvious that teacher's actually gives students information that will transform them in life, so attending university is another avenue to be rich because all the necessary information needed to be prosperous in life are there, but at this point I'm not refuting the fact that it's only school that will change someone who are poor to be rich "No" we have other means, but educational system is the major one.

To acquire skill is one of the important plan for someone that the family are not wealthy suppose to secure in order to elevate itself for the society, fighting government is not an option, so op I applaud you for creating this meditating topic.

Yes, and also - the mentality of a poor man, very often leads people to crime. For some reason, they believe that the criminal way of earning income is easier, more effective than, for example, starting to study, getting an education, and becoming, for example, a doctor, programmer, engineer, or starting a business. It is easier to sell illegal drugs, rob, steal, than think, make responsible decisions ...

Wrong, the people who do crime because of poverty is desperate, if you give them a job, I am pretty sure that they will stop doing crimes. What we lack in this world is the opportunity to get jobs that will help us get money legally and in a clean way. Blaming them for being poor won't help their status.

Opportunity is really what people need that are not born rich. Most crimes are because of not equal opportunity to have a job or to earn a stable income. Rich people become richer because they can always dive to a new opportunity they want while poor or middle-class people are afraid to try new stuff because they don't earn that much. There are also rich people who prevent giving help to other people rise from poverty is because they fear that someday they would be more successful than them. Only a few are willing to help and be proud for someone to reach their level.

Rich people are born full of opportunities; they are privileged enough to be studied in a great university, have a great environment and connections.
Most of the rich came from successful businesses, but the education system didn't teach us about handling our finance.

People who are born rich, of course, have many privileged and opportunities, but not all rich people are born successful. Because not all rich children
are educated properly by their parents, so some of them can only spend their parents money. Therefore, people who are rich from birth also need to
get the right education, so that they can take advantage of the excess money they have. Most of today's education system actually only teaches how
to get a job, but does not teach how to be rich.

It seems that there are social elevators thanks to which you can abruptly rush to another class. However, they do not become a good person from this

I can not fully agree with you because common people can also have an opportunity, especially if they can work harder. It is about how each person can try hard to change their lives, whether they need a long time to achieve that thing. We might see that some poor people can change their lives by doing many things and having opportunities better than other people. If one person can face their problem without giving up, they will become stronger and face the next problem and grow in the future.

I have seen rich people behave and live rich lives because they dare to do things that poor, middle-class people dare not do. It is their out-of-the-box thinking that has enabled them to lead a rich and rich life.
The poor are educated by their parents and they have limitations. The mindset of these people is difficult to change because they have lived with it for a long time.

the difficulty of getting a decent job to survive can make them feel hopeless, actually people like this don't want to try to run away from the poverty zone by always trying until they reach the point of success, even though to achieve the target of becoming a rich person is quite difficult to achieve the most important thing  it's not wrong to take criminal actions to be able to make money the wrong way

There is no scenario where a common person with no money could become like Jeff Bezos one day, never been done in history I have to say.

I am not saying that they can't make some money, sure you can start from zero, have poor family, go to bad schools and still manage to have 10+ million dollars when you die, that is definitely a possibility. My grandfather-in-law did that for example, he was born into nothing and grew up learning his business very well and opened up a factory and then even bought the next door factory and then the next one so he ended up with one factory as big as three factories when he died.

You know how much that worths? Around 4 million dollars. This dude managed to live a life of hard work and debt for 70 years and manage to die at 98 years old working until he was almost 90 every single day and he made 4 million dollars. Do not tell me hard work makes you wealthy, it just gives you a financial freedom a bit and that's it.

This is all true, but the ideas that we are taught in our early lives are completely different or at least some what change as we get older, so the poor when he sees the rich having a better life than he is, he changes his mindset that you are talking about and opt to change his situation in one way or another, and rich people also  could have a totally different mindset when they grow up, and also it is true that it could be based on the economic state of the country but we live in a connected world, which lets us want to improve by seeing other which totally changes the mindset that we have and our prospective.

Doesnt matter if you do live on a rich or poor country since there would be always two states in life when it comes to financial neither you are poor or rich or in average in lifestyle or situatioon.
When it comes to mindset and other things that been doing or actions then for sure it would be totally different since they are different in paths to take but doesnt mean  that it will limit out
those poor ones on changing their mindset for their own good and make their lives even way more better and this will vary on each person because not all would be having that kind of
dedication to make theirselves better in terms of that scenario. Mentality does really counts and if you are eager on making yourself some improvement then you would really do things.

Actually, that's a pretty common misbelief, I am surprised by how many people think that environment is more important than genes. Probably because most of us were told so at schools and no one ever questions it.

The fact is, there are published studies providing evidence that this might be wrong. Here's a great review summarizing a wide range of such studies: https://www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/fnhum.2019.00044/full#B29

Here are some excerpts from this study:


The stability of intelligence, especially after a long time indicates the importance of genetic material, as it is obvious that the environment is changing and if it played such an important role, then with years passing the test results would have changed.


Twin studies are very representative, as the genetic identity in twins is very high. Now, one could say that twins have similar performances due to the same environment, but I can hardly agree on that. I know a lot of twins that have very different interests, preferences, different friends, and, thus, quite different environments, especially when growing older.

The major problem with these studies is that "intelligence" is very difficult to measure, there's more to it than just IQ tests. But new studies keep emerging, and many of them are dedicated to identifying specific genes responsible for intelligence (with genome-wide analysis and quantifying single nucleotide polymorphisms), and they all seem to dispel the widespread beliefs that genes account for a very small % in terms of intelligence.

There are many differences between the poor and the middle class the rich live in a much better place in all aspects of society and live a higher life. The poor are deprived of all aspects of society so they become poorer sadly those who have already passed from the poor to the lower middle class are re entering the poor and the poor are the poorest. Due to this global epidemic the world economy has lost its jobs and billions of people are losing the rich can help the poor if they want but these will usually depend on their mindset the rich exploit the poor.

Work hard will give you something, I trust that. But there is one more thing that you should know that you need to work smart so you will use work hard + work smart. By doing those two things, you will know how to manage your funds and what you will do with that money.

From your story, your grandfather-in-law is one of the people who work hard + work smart because he starts from zero, he works hard to learn his business, and he also works smart by bought the next-door factory. That is a great lesson for us because by having two businesses, we can earn more money. And if we can manage it and still work hard + work smart, we can earn more money.

Maybe you can say that work hard will not give or makes you wealthy because I am sure and believe that there is something that you will get from what you did. Maybe you can get many friends, meet many friends, and spread your business, but you feel that you get nothing. But trust me, your children, your grandchildren will get that from you and that will be your legacy.

Exactly what I was trying to say, if you even the playing field and make an opportunity for everyone, pretty sure that we will be able to destroy poverty, if you pool billions for each billionaires around the world, I think you can solve the problem, that's how easy it is to solve this problem. The reason why there's poor people is because to keep the middle class in line so they won't revolt against the ruling class.

what kind of country was that if they dont give any oppurtunity to its people ? but i believe every country even the corrupted ones have done something to its country .
people should not totally depend on the government but they must act on their own too if they want to succeed .
in poorer country , people were encourage to dream and think big because this helps them to change thier lives .

Well, it is kind of that. That’s why as a person you also have to do your own research, and learn about things yourself without having to rely on what you’re being taught in schools and the rest of them. And also as parents I think it up to the parents to help in educating their children the right way. It’s good to ask them and know what they are being taught in school and correct the things you feel should be corrected, immediately. That way you will be helping to shape them into becoming a better person.

No parents should be wishing for their children to be at the same level they are, you should wish your children a better level than where you are, so it’s important that you work towards helping them achieve that and have a better life in future.

The mentality of the people that belongs to different economic classes really varies. We are exposed to different surroundings, hence, we have different ways on how we view life and the circumstances we face each day.

For the people that are naturally born poor, they were used to witnessing things that are perceived as the basis of "reality of life". At a young age, they are introduced to labor to bring some food on their table and to make the ends meet in general. They are conditioned to just accept what kind of status that they have and just dream enough. A dream that is just the bare minimum like having to eat three meals a day, having clothes and slippers to wear, can drink clean water, and other basic human rights. They are conditioned that if they are born poor, then they will die poor. This is because poor people were mindsetted to just accept what they currently have, enclosing them not to dream high because they can barely afford surviving each day.

Meanwhile, naturally born average people are just at the middle. They are exposed to an environment that they can see both worlds. They can do what they want and dream , only as long as they can afford it. They get by without worrying much like poor people worry each day. They can live a comfortable life, but they have to continue working to afford and maintain the lifestyle that they have. Average people's mindset is to work until they achieve the things they want and to soon later on be wealthy enough to achieve the things they want in life. They aren't hindered that much to dream and achieve their aspirations.

On the other hand, naturally born rich are the top of the crop. They can do freely what they want and dream whatever they want and actually achieve it because they have the money. They have safety nets that will catch them if ever their plans will fail the first time they execute it. They aren't pressured much  to work their ass off because they already have what they need and want in the first place. The rich's mindset is often to become even much richer. The rich people are known go be business-minded persons and into investments that could make them generate more income. The money they will use is readily available. They won't worry where to get money to fund their businesses and investments, hence, most of them become multi-millionaire and even billionaire.

All rooted in the problem of the education system and curriculum applied, social status in learning must be put aside and assume that children have the same position in acquiring knowledge.
let's think about the education system in Finland (ONE OF THE WORLD'S NO.1 BEST COUNTRIES IN IMPLEMENTING AN EDUCATION SYSTEM), are they given official demands and rules when they study? NOT !!!!!
here there are several advantages that need to be used as examples for other countries, one of which I will try to mention: the quality of education which is one of the advantages of the education system there. teachers earn higher salaries than teachers in other countries. Teachers do not give much homework (PR) to students. in a day students study they have a lag time to study 75 minutes of rest time.

As a person who is planning to have a kid soon, that is the scary part, the parents play a big role in a kid no matter how great education they get. You can give a kid the best education in the whole world, the best schools from 5 years old to 30 years old (with masters and doctorate if they want to) and yet if the parents are bad parents (you don't have to be a bad person to be a bad parent neither) then the kid will not grow up with full potential.

Knowing that should make every parent very scared, my kid has this 100% potential that he/she can reach if I can unlock it for them but maybe I will do something wrong and will never let them be that great. This is not about poor or middle class or being super wealthy, you can be the richest person in the world and maybe you will not be able to still give your kid what they want, which is the big trouble.

Its a lifelong process to overcome that 'barrier'. Imagine taking a small leap at the time, you will eventually get to the higher steps. Even if you cant overcome that 'barrier' atleast your offspring wouldnt have to start over again. The 'barrier' is actually not limited to economy factor but most of the time, economy factor will define the next steps for the middle class


If you are not from the higher economy class then you would have alot of concern regarding money most of the time but even if you came from a high economy class, you might have concern about making alot more as well

This is what I say to people that believe equity should be guaranteed. Yes, people have an easier pathway in life. This applies to everyone. If you were born in a first world country, you immediately outpace over 50 percent of the world population in terms of your projected income and life expectancy. You can put individuals that are competent and work hard in tough life situations, a lot of the times they will find their way out. Doesn't mean it'll be easy.

Another problem is the lack of financial education which to me is incredibly suspicious, I am not trying to diminish other subjects however if there is one thing that we know people will have to use is money, and yet the education system does not teach you how to make the best use of it.

As such each person tries to do the best they can with the little knowledge they have and when we have so many ads on the media trying to make people to indebt themselves then they fall and begin a spiral from which they cannot escape, financial education should be mandatory and people should learn about interest rates, fiat money and other knowledge related to that, but since this goes against the interests of the governments and other powerful institutions this does not happen, which leads to a life of hardship in which most people have to work for the rest of their lives in a system not that much different from slavery.

Exactly because this must be learned from inside the family because nothing can be the best example from financial education but the people that we live in so yeah it is indeed.

at least little by little people must learn or else live in desperation and stupidity all your life.

This is based on my own perception and my own experienced too as being born and raised in a poor family. My parents can only afford to sent us in a public school because that is what they can only give us but I am so lucky enough to be able to go to a higher level of education, my parents would always say that we need to study well and finished it so we can find a good job but now I realized that we don't just only need to be educated as a person but most importantly Financial Literacy is a must. It should be the top priority of everyone of us because there are many well-educated person who don't know how to manage their income.

Probably an active warzone country will not be able to give opportunity to it's people because they are geared for war and instability is rampant and pretty much impossible to do work since there's a lot of fatal interference happening, imagine if the case was that they gave away jobs in an active warzone, pretty sure that a lot of people will not make it another day because bombs will be dropping anywhere. Poverty is a mixture of social, political and economical problem and those three things don't want to work together even though can to solve the problem.

The difference between the poor, the middle class and the rich is not determined by income, but by consumption. The poor mainly consumes, the middle class mainly uses loans, and the middle class actually gets more loans than the poor. Let us first look at the flow of money for the poor: work→get wages→pay living expenses→less left. The life of the poor is mainly "consumption", all the money earned is spent, and nothing is left in the end. Therefore, basic economic conditions and doctrines determine their education level and lifestyle. Sometimes they have no right to choose, and their ideology is completely different due to differences in educational experience. It seems that their future lifestyle has been locked in. Determining wealth, intuitively speaking, may be because the school is different, but the connotation is completely different. The attitude and mentality towards life are completely different. For example, the child of a mouse may be born to dig a hole instead of trying to find a way to fly. The education that the poor receive may be able to maintain their own life or survival skills in the future, but it is difficult to rule out a single case.

When we come into this world alone, it is difficult for us to decide our origin. We were born in a developed country, in a rich family, or in a poor country or a poorer family. This is something we cannot decide, it is innate.

But we can decide what kind of mentality we should treat our own lives. If a child from a poor family can be positive and optimistic, he can also go to a better university through continuous learning, find a decent job, and get a more exciting life.
If a child from a wealthy family is not proactive, he may not accomplish anything in his career.

Of course, the starting point of children from rich families is better than that of children from poor families, and the chance of success is greater. This is the current situation of our time. The gap between the rich and the poor is getting worse in some countries or regions. This is also the main contradiction that exists in our current society.

However, it is precisely based on this that Bitcoin has given the children of poor families a channel to change their destiny and achieve class leap. In the past, all resources and funds were controlled by centralized institutions or wealthy groups, who used this to gain more wealth and power. However, Bitcoin is effective enough to break this point and break the centralized monopoly.

In the end, all of this, in the final analysis, still depends on each of us's own cognition.

Therefore, the internal subjective initiative more determines the possibility of success. Everything depends on yourself!

Poor people often feel that they have no money, so they rarely use spare money to invest, rarely learn related professional skills, and rarely meet more friends and broaden their social contacts.
Because I don’t think I have time, I only pay attention to the immediate things, and it’s hard to think about things in the long term. They often think like this. The current things are big enough, and I will talk about the future things later.
The wealth of the rich is only appearance, what really matters is social resources and high-quality contacts. The rich have the capital to stand on the shoulders of giants, and most of the poor have inherited their parents’ complaints about society and inherited their parents’ poverty.
The vision and mentality of the rich and the poor are also different, and the rich often win at the starting line.

This is a difficult thing to change. For the poor and middle class, if you don’t teach them how to survive in the world, you can’t talk about helping them set their ideals in life. According to the hierarchical theory of needs, only by satisfying basic physiological needs can we pursue the next goal in life.

I admit that some people have achieved great success through their own efforts, even if their family background is not good, such as Clement Stone. However, the percentage of success from poor and middle class is still far lower than that of children who grew up in families composed of parents with higher education.

By the way, this is the Bitcoin forum, I think cryptocurrency is the best opportunity for ordinary people in the world to cross classes. Spend time to learn the knowledge of cryptocurrency and improve your own cognition. The knowledge and wealth you can obtain far exceeds that of other industries.

In many cases, it is to teach by example. Parents’ conversations, insights, and opinions all unknowingly affect their children. A child at the bottom of society may also be very smart, but his parents are not able to guide him well in all aspects. Although he is smart, after all his age and experience are there, he can only explore it slowly. And some children of successful people in society skip the exploration stage and get resources and guidance directly from their parents. And subconsciously imitated the way parents deal with problems. As the days go by, it is natural to see you immediately. Charm comes from confidence.

In the final analysis, the difference between the poor and the rich is the difference in cultural attributes. It exists in people's minds, invisible and intangible, but dominates your words and deeds, and it is difficult for you to realize it.
It can be said vividly: "Your clothing, food, shelter, deeds, and words are everywhere reflecting your basic level from the side."
That is, through your behavior, you can see what is in your bones at a glance, you don't need to deliberately cover up, because it is meaningless!
Generally speaking, a person's education, living environment and experience can determine a person's cultural attributes.

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In the final analysis, the difference between the poor and the rich is the difference in cultural attributes. It exists in people's minds, invisible and intangible, but dominates your words and deeds, and it is difficult for you to realize it.
It can be said vividly: "Your clothing, food, shelter, deeds, and words are everywhere reflecting your basic level from the side."
That is, through your behavior, you can see what is in your bones at a glance, you don't need to deliberately cover up, because it is meaningless!
Generally speaking, a person's education, living environment and experience can determine a person's cultural attributes.

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But we are in 21st century, we have internet and wikipedia so that we can learn about anything if we are willing to do it but all people are addicted to other things like media, entertainment, movies, etc so they never have time to learn anything new that is why they are living in a cycle which don't let them to realize what rich people are doing in this world.

Rich people have a good environment to develop their wealth, so what they talk about also has content that supports it too. On the other hand, their mentality is that of entrepreneurs, because they are in an entrepreneur environment that they see every day, and this is what they unconsciously form to become entrepreneurs

I would have to agree with your beginning assessment, that sadly poorer nations tend to provide a much lesser form of schooling or even next to no schooling at all.  

However when it comes to how you called " In a preppy school, where most of the student are rich-born, the conversation is quite different.  Culture, life, opportunity, spirit-de-corps and class mentality are imbued in the same manner, so the kids will somehow justify in their minds that they have the right to be rich even if they have not done anything for anyone in their lives - perhaps not even for themselves - because of some Darwinian property of cosmos."  This is a bunch of nonsense.  I went to one of those "preppy schools" and that is not at all how any of us felt.  Well correction, that is not how 95% of us felt.  I grew up wealthy but thanks to good parenting I never thought of myself as entitled or more deserving of anything over anyone else.  We weren't not taught entitlement in those schools.  We simply had more resources for a better education.  I resent this statement if I am being honest because it is a perceived notion that is utterly false and judgmental.  

The mentality of thinking that you belong into the social class of poor/low class and middle class is just normal and that is where you develop into thinking possible ways on how you can improve your life into surviving life's challenges to get you into the upper class level that you wanted to be. The talks about social class, the biases and disadvantages that have been coined into those classes have already been normalized for years that brings up the discrimination between social classes making people strive hard and do everything they can to at least improve or better to surpass the life they have been born with so that the next generation of their family will not suffer the same fate they have experienced before.

Let us face the reality that there is really a person who is born with a poor, rich, or in a middle-class family and the thing is that those who born by a poor family needs to strive hard in order for him to be rich and be successful someday unlike those who are rich people they just need to follow the steps of their parents in order to be richer than their parents or even surpass it. That must be the mentality of each person in order to succeed in life.

But the sad reality particularly in most millenials today is that those who are poor or middle class inborn are less likely to think positive things in life compared to the rich men. They never go out from their comfort zone and so they will only end up even poorer with their parents but rich people eventually work hard like being hands on in their family business to sustain the status of their living. The poor mindset of the poor people will definitely put them in a more worst life's situation.

I've always been confused by the culture that tries to separate the poor, the middle class and the upper class. which outwardly we can not be in dispute in the category of lower or higher strata.

Outwardly we are not faced with the choice of poor and rich. but the paradigm emerges from lip to lip as a stimulus and categorizes every human being as having a different class.

let's get straight and try to appreciate not who he is and how he lives in the strata of social mentality in society.
but what can it contribute to the progress of a growth that leads to a better pace.

Everyone has a lot of potential and it has become the essence that we need each other.
Look around us, education is available 24 hours, technological advances are in hand, what is lacking? natural resources? let's garden, farm, and take advantage of all the potential of nature without destroying it.

what is the role of government? the government should exist and provide a piece of land to work on and free the natives from taxes or maybe reduce every percent of it.

Why bring in foreign workers? so that they are dedicated to working together and providing good services for the progress of each country. instead of colonizing and depleting natural resources and leaving behind useless buildings.

This is exactly why the cycle never ends. If it does, it only happens to a handful of people and most of these only achieve such feats due to lucky encounters which changed their world views that has been hardwired into their brains ever since they were young. The environment plays as much as a big role as a child's home since it is what gets imprinted in the child's mind due to repeated encounters. Traditions also hinder escape from this cycle since it is rooted deeply within each home. Unless the people in charge of a household opens up his mind and accepts change, only then that change can actually happen and affect the growth of the children within that household positively.

Whatever the case and whichever part of the world it is, change and progress can only happen to those who choose to change and to adapt.

This is quite correct and unfortunately nowhere in the world I know kids have it at a young age. We should have science, math, history, languages and many more like we do but we should have a class about economics as well, not in the sense that kids should be though about Adam smith or something like that, but if you can give kids an education from ages 10 to 15 about how to save money, or what to do to earn more money, or ways that rich people got rich, basically a bit of explanation about how the world economics work that would be great.

I didn't study anything at all about finance when I studied, nobody thought me what inflation was, we learn it from life, and that is why we should learn more about it. Like inflation matters so much that if you buy a house right now with mortgage that you barely can pay right now, it will be super simple to pay it in 10 years, because when you pay 500 bucks per month now while earning 700 bucks would be very hard, but in 10 years you will be earning 2000 or more because of inflation and you can pay it very easily, why nobody is thought that? These are vital financial information that every kid should learn at an early age.

You briefly touched on the idea, but I think the biggest thing holding back the poor and middle class is simply a lack of ability to take financial risks. If you're from a family that is able to gift you $1 million dollars to get a head start in life, you could invest $750k into shares and have a reasonable safety net to let you take higher risks with the remaining $250k. Not to mention having the family support to enable a first class education, which opens doors to high paying jobs and allowing you to sustain a "rich" life style. However if you are poor, every day can be a struggle and every dollar might require a lot of sweat to earn. Even if you do have the time to learn about proper finances and where you should be putting your money, you first need to build up an "emergency fund" to cover living expenses should you lose a job and then you have to risk money that can have a drastic impact on you if it is lost - the hurdles are very high to overcome.

This financial ladder can be seen throughout the world. Even in America it has got rich, poor and the middle class but the country portrays an image as it doesn't have poor people. When one has money that is more than the necessity automatically he/she will feel relaxed and the mind will think of making use of it. This is where the difference happen with the rich in and the other two segments of people.

The poor and the middle class strive to make money and uplift their living standard which starts with the very basic requirements. This makes them multiplying what is available, but these people fail for a long. Because, they do anything with a pressurized mind as the amount they use is their life fund.

I beg to differ ! Exclusively from a personal example - I watched homeless people begging for money, offered them a simple, not difficult, physical job, for money. Do you know what they answered me? They replied - "go fuck it, I'd rather beg or steal than WORK!". The second example is at a relative 40 km from the capital, an agricultural enterprise. The people who live in this village, and live on state benefits (no work), my relative offered to work for him. Conditions - if they have problems with housing - he provides a guest house, pay weekly, lunch is provided. Yes, work in agriculture is difficult, no one disputes, but the level of the offered income was quite competitive. So, they worked for 3-4 weeks and began to do their job poorly, despite the fact that my relative fulfilled all obligations. A couple of weeks later they said that they wanted in general 2 times more money and would start working not at 6 am but at 9. And then they said that they did not want to work at all, because “it’s better on benefits - you don’t do anything, but they give you money ". Therefore, I do not agree that such people are ready to exchange "easy criminal money" or social assistance for a full-fledged job, where you have to strain, adhere to conditions and rules.

I remember making that realization myself, it is not rare to see people that you would otherwise tell are very successful fail spectacularly at life and the reason for this was their lack of financial education.

There are countless examples of this, how many artist, athletes, lottery winners end up completely bankrupt despite the fact many earned millions and sometimes even hundreds of millions? A great deal, this means that no amount of money no matter how big is enough to protect you from bad financial decisions, which means that if you do not receive this education on the school or your home then you need to educate yourself, it is not easy but it must be done.

Poor people mentality is when they have money, they spend it on relaxation and luxury. Unlike middle class, they spend their money wisely. With poor people, they lack enough knowledge on handling their finances and where to put it. They also rely on other people and support from the government unlike middle class, they value their hard earned money. They adopt what they learned in school. They are eager to be wealthy and be comfortable in their lives.

That is not the case on all the occasions. But it is understandable. When someone works really hard to earn money, he will think twice before wasting it. When I was a student, my parents were providing me with financial support. Back then, I used to spend a lot of money on unnecessary things. But now, I have a full time job and I know how hard is it to earn money. Same is the case with the poor people. When they get freebies and handouts from the government, they are careless with those. But when they work hard and earn, they don't waste much of the earnings.

If this was true universally then there would be no such industries as gambling and alcohol because these vices are clearly destructive and disproportionately affect the lower classes. "Working for money makes you more judicious about where you spend it" is more false than it is true, as evidenced by how many bad decisions about finances people make across all strata of the socioeconomic ladder.

I think things are changing, but it has it cost, my country is developing but here and there we have schools that are preparing their students to feel superior, from the equipments they have qualifications of the teachers and other schools quality, but this comes at a cost the prices of such schools are very high, and it's still almost line what you saying, because the school are attended by the very rich or those under scholarship, or those that their poor parents who knows the important went a far length to send them into the school, the knowledge of the students knowing how superior the school is has already started build superior power in them, which they can use to chase exciting dreams.

I couldn't agree more with the statement that Don't give cash assistance to poor people because it only adds to poverty in their brains, but provide them with livelihood assistance and ways to make money to support their lives.  Because between giving fish or fishing rods to poor fishermen will be very much different but there are many mistakes that occur in the government, they only focus on providing cash assistance to the community just to cover up the bad government behind the assistance such as corruption in their institutional.

it is mental and spirit that is able to get out of poverty, it all depends on how one thinks to move forward, it is very cruel. even the poor are friends only with the poor as well as the rich only befriend the rich like him. although very few people are able to get out of the poverty line, the opportunity is there. when he wants to fight harder than anyone else.

Usually that is how things work. Poor people have to worry about their survival, while the richest ones can enjoy their lives without financial worries. The survival isn't easy and often it reaches close to the savagery. People struggling to survive tend to do immoral things and lack values civilized societies estimate for. It's common to see in poor communities the conivency of its residents with the criminals who control the area and their shady deals. These people justify acting like this for their own survival.

On the other hand, there are also the upper classes' people who act in the same immoral ways, because they can't accept the possibility of losing power, status and money, so they cheat the rules. These are the entrepreneurs who get close to governments to acquire advantages, pay bribery and accept any kind of deal if it is going to benefit them. Actually, some of these wealthy men were poor or miserable someday and it's important to notice they didn't have the poor or middle class mentality, since they upgraded their life status, although it was in a wrong way.

So I think it's hard to measure who is good or bad, prejudiced or benefited through poor, middle or rich mentalities. I think it's more accurated to measure it by the honest and dishonest mentalities that don't distinguish any classes and are present in all.

Nowadays I am seeing governments around the world trying this approach, by distributing welfare payments. In the US, Biden government has proposed giving out financial assistance based on the number of children in the family. So in case a family produce 10-12 children, then they will receive a payment of around $3,000 per month from the government. I find these sort of measures very short sighted. In the long term, people will just sit at home and produce children without doing any productive activity. And those who work hard will find a large majority of their salaries taken away in the form of taxes.

I think the first solution to poverty is education. Education the young poor person gives a more brighter opportunity for future success rather than leaving them uneducated. Education prepares someone for the future even when opportunity is not presented at the current moment, a truly educated and knowledgeable person can find a way to survive. There is a relationship between education and knowledge because education sharpens knowledge and it gives the ability to apply the knowledge very well. Like Martin Luther said about living ready, this is important and can be guaranteed with education.

Things are definitely changing, but it's difficult for me to really make a true assessment of whether it's positive or not in the long run. I come from what's known as a developing country, but from a state with the lowest statistics in HDI. Invisible because national indicators put the country quite high in the region. I mean, I say where I'm from and people immediately think skyscrapers and rich people and fancy modern living... but my own state only achieved in 2020 50% literacy rate -- so that's a marker I think no one believes when I tell them.

To change that, our young people are venturing out more and more, and getting better paying jobs and going to better paying schools. But I'm not sure becoming better people (at least from a tiny sample of what I can observe). These are also the most likely to be the ones hearing about and getting into Bitcoin -- but not to use them, also judging from the discussions I have been able to observe.

It's better than rotting in obscurity and disease in the middle of nowhere and getting left behind by the world, I suppose...

Education has become more accessible to everyone, with internet now reaching the remote nooks and corners of the world. It is not necessary to go to a college or school to get the required education. You can just enroll to the free online courses that are available in YouTube and other websites. A decade ago, that was not the case. Education was expensive, and inaccessible in many cases. Now this is one of the positive change that came with the technological progress. Cryptocurrency, online education, free markets.etc are just some of the new technological innovations that are helping poor people.

I concur. As I saw on Facebook, he teaches the beggar how to code (how to create his first app) and then gives him a laptop so he may continue. As a result, he has already uploaded his first program on Google Play, and he now refers to himself as a developer. He claims that it will be approved by Google Adsense in a few months, and he will earn from it. Financial assistance from the government is only temporary unless you have a strong desire to start a small business so that you can earn additional money.

If anyone is getting money for relaxation and luxury, i will not call them poor  :D. Either they have money or they do not and it depends upon what you do in terms of your qualification and skill level. No one is born rich until you are born with a golden spoon and your parents have money for generations, if not you will be working hard for having a good life.

If you are keen to learn, it's not far anymore especially if you do have access with the internet.

Just like what you just said, online education can be learned using those free courses. there are also free knowledge that you can acquire from YouTube academy.  :)

From that beginning success is very possible, knowledge is your key to find the right attitude  in seeking every opportunities.

Cash handouts do a great deal of harm in the long run. But as far as I can see, a lot of governments are distributing more and more such handouts nowadays, giving the excuse of COVID. And even those who oppose such handouts in principle will find it hard to reject such payments. In the United States, the Biden regime has unveiled additional spending plans worth more than $6 trillion. Anyone in their right mind would oppose these measures, because it will wreck the economy with high taxes and inflation. But at least in the public, there is hardly any opposition.

but at least having rich parents will have an influence on the mental education of the rich at work. this is not obtained in formal education. Moreover, it is supported by an environment that is a businessman, so the discussion is also about business and speculative, in contrast to the poor and middle class, who tend to seek security in order to live, as if without daring to speculate.

I dunno why, but the government is really like to give the society cash handouts. Not only in US, but in my country too. Dont you know that the fact behind of their cash handout is just to cover their corruption. I have read a lot of corruption news, and the proof of their corruption is covered by their social acting exaggerated..

Sometimes, an educated person with a that wealth may even be the worst among with such mentality because of their ignorance.
Imagine a scenario where you explain Cryptocurrency to a friend who is well literate but just don't find it interesting and concluded it as a scam or ponzi scheme. I get angry sometimes when I go to local forums and see how some ignorant display their level of IQ calling bitcoin bad investment.
These set of people are worst than poor and middle class

If there is such an opportunity, then why not do it ;D Just remembered Janet Yellen, who used to have a negative attitude to the economic policy of borrowing, now she is not averse to doing it. It is not necessary to treat such distributions so tragically, if they are of an isolated nature. In any case, governments need to somehow support the economic activity of the population and the state in the conditions of a pandemic and lockdowns, as well as simply help poor people and the middle class survive, and cash handouts are not the worst way to achieve their stated goals. In any case, the Republican minority is also not against cash handouts in principle, and this issue sometimes becomes a hostage of the political struggle between two competing parties.

I am living in a 3rd world country and having a middle class family. In public school we are programmed to follow rules and would probably be ending up as Government workers or worst private workers whose salary is way below what's the society is needed to survive. It is undeniably true that we are taught how to speak English but not how to manage our money. We are taught how important addition but not to expand business. It is sad that even in society there's still manipulation but thanks to eye openers somehow I'd like to break the chain.

The social life of the poor is more superficial, they create and deal with fewer tests, and they have no chance to improve themselves. The middle class likes to do their own research, and the social resources they can enjoy are also abundant.
There is no big difference between the poor and the middle class in their talents, the difference between them lies in the difference in the possession of resources and the difference in thinking. The most important thing is to improve the standard of living and cultivate the education of future generations through personal study and hard work.

The easiest way to win the election is through cash handouts and freebies. The other route is to garner public support by giving good governance, but that is comparatively more difficult. Also, if the population (i.e voters) is getting cash handouts, then they will become more tolerant to any corruption from the government. The mentality will be like - we are getting our share, and let them have their share. But in the long term, it harms the population by pushing up the inflation and the federal debt levels.

The issue of rich and poor, I think it's an extremely difficult issue to have a general view of. We can't have the right to choose a good life right from the moment of being conscious of this life, but we can do it ourselves and of course it is only for those who try to rise up against the circumstances hard. This makes me think that this imbalance will only be changed if everyone on this earth achieves the same mindset awareness, and they have a common direction to find happiness in life. Is a life that I think the people of the future will live, and riches may not be a problem anymore.

Unless you are living in a dictatorship, you have the choice to act against it. But from what I have seen, in the third world (and even in most of the developed nations) the poor class rally behind those politicians who offer them the most amount of freebies. They don't vote for candidates who offer them good education or healthcare facilities. And that is the issue with modern democracy. Voters are too stupid to prioritize their long term benefit and vote for those who offer them short term solutions.

Unfortunately that is the type of place I live as well and I am not sure if it is getting any better neither but a friend helped me understand something better. I know that when I tell people where I am from people think about places like London or New York, but the reality is that 55% of the population is either working for either minimum wage or not working at all (this is all the people between ages 18-65, so there are many more who are under 18 and over 65 that doesn't work as expected too, hence only 30% or so of the city takes care of everyone else).

Long story short we are talking about something that is horrible in the short term, but what my friend helped me realize was the fact that even while we are doing bad now, it is still better than what we had in history, I mean even the biggest King never had the chance to use computers, so it is still getting better.

What do i say? Well,  I believe that both failure  and success is a mindset and how to really make it a big time success is by thinking positive both about your self and about what you choose to do for a living,  It doesnt matter if  people look than on that thing or not,  but the main person to bring it to livelines and success is You and that can only be done through positive thinking. just get it that.way.
most times the gap between the poor is positive thinking and how to invest their little earnings  those are just the two differences between a poor man and a rich man. So please endeavour to change your thinking  and be rich.

I agree that even or sometimes especially in urban cities, if you live on the wrong side of the gap, it's really not a fun life. I went to my capital myself in my teens and it was a pretty big culture shock. No swanky neighbourhoods, renting spaces on the floor and not rooms, sharing with 20 other people and using communal taps and bathrooms.

But there, at least there was access to better your life and escape the cycle, is what I'm saying. You talk of a time when Kings didn't have computers. I talk of a time when most of the world will live and die without the opportunity to read or write, much less touch a computer.

But there is a mentality at play here for sure. You can't break out without the right one.

There are 3 types of social class  in my country the Upper class, Middle class and the Lower class.
Under the Upper class: Businessman and Investors.
Under the Middle class: Teacher, seafarers and other employees.
Under the Lower class: beggar/ street people.

But no matter what is your status in life me must  respect each other in order to be a better life.

In practice, there are indeed some cases where poor people can change their fate up to 180 degrees. We certainly have heard success stories where they come from poor families but managed to turn things around with effort and hard work. But these cases are just a few of the many, who are still in the cycle of poverty. In fact, there are still many people who remain in poverty without being able to change their lives.

The most fatal cause why people remain in poverty is surrender to the situation. They feel that their situation is something that cannot be changed, and they will continue to be in poverty no matter what. The thought then makes them have no desire to try to make things better. They even start blaming other people, like the government or the rich people out there.

If that's the case, then it's no wonder that the cycle of poverty is difficult to break from their lives. Indeed, there is no guarantee that they will succeed in getting out of poverty by trying. But at least by trying there is still a chance to be successful, whereas if we don't do anything then we have no chance at all.

It is always hard when some migrates to another city to find education or new job. I made the journey myself, so I can understand how difficult it can be. But the beauty of this is that your children will not face the same issues that you have faced. You are already settled down in the capital city, so your children's don't need to move to another city to find job. In all probability you are having a good job and your own house, so the kids don't have to worry about accommodation and other aspects. That is how life goes on in modern world.

hard work is required when migrating to another city in search of a living. In addition to working hard and getting results, they should try to manage expenses to have a better tomorrow. but the good thing that can be learned is usually they are a formidable figure if they succeed in that new city, where the psychology is mature

As did I. If there's one thing I learn about children and generational lessons, though, sometimes you got to live a struggle to understand and appreciate it. It's natural to want the most comfort for those who come after you, but there's a danger that that sort of shelter can have them lose out on empathy and appreciation. Even some small personal lessons for me trying to pass down Bitcoin (or rather, the culture of saving and protecting value for the long term). If they didn't earn it, they don't protect it as well, I've noticed;)


It's especially more difficult when you come from the rural areas. Hard work is a given, but there's also a lot to overcome, and a fair bit of luck. I suppose a lot of us have been through that period and some come out better than others.

Rich people become richer while the poor/middle class will remain the same or even become poorer. This is about our mindset of what we do now. Poor/Middle-class people never teach in school how to grow their money but instead, they have been taught how to become a slave ( go to school and find a job after). While Rich people have been taught how to grow their businesses and make more businesses.

One factor that has a huge influence on our minds is what we get from school. Mostly we are financially illiterate which brought us to become less fortunate and it is really hard to change.

I don't know how about you, guys, but I really think that the poverty is in people's heads.
It goes without saying that it is important in which family you are born. It can be so poor that you will never even think about education or money, but you'll be a thief like your father and your grandfather. There are so many families like this nowadays especially in Latin America and Africa. Children from those families don't even have a chance to become a respected and legally rich person.
My point is that surely everybody should start with some startup fund and rich people will have better funds. However, it is not the most important thing as we have already heard a lot of stories when the rich successors of the rich malies fail to expand the richness and go broke. On the contrary, there were a lot of people from the poor families who made their fortune on their own. More than that, there is one more alternative scenario: remember the people who won the lottery and blew all the money during a year. They were just not ready for such money and they didn't know what to do.

being poor or rich is one of the cycles of life but how we get results and can be happy with what we get is not measured by how poor or rich we are, but what is clear is trying to make money honestly is a behavior that many middle class people do while rich people tend to deny this

You can say that rich people get the advantage of readily available capital. But no one teaches them how to get rich. Even the poor guys can enroll for a good MBA course and get to know how to setup businesses. But then, starting capital can always be the problem. But if their business idea is so good, then it won't be very hard to receive VC funding from angel investors. The most important thing, is to have a unique idea that can work in real life. But then it will be wrong to expect everyone to come up with such ideas. For others, the only option is to work for someone else.

Ultimately if the government of the country will not try to nurture the citizen in terms of health and finance, it all depends on an individual who could break the invisible chain and not sell themselves short. Get rich or die trying.

Parents I guess have to teach their kids with pride so they could look at themselves morally high and strive for success. My parents are fishermen, always teach me not to steal and teach us how to catch fish by ourselves. So if I have something to buy, I will have to work hard for it. Catching more fish and then sell for money.

The stratification in society has always been, is and will be. This is the norm and it's ok The question is how a person positions himself and what goals he sets. As a child, one smart person said to me - "always strive to get into a more developed, more advanced, richer society! This is an opportunity for self-development and an opportunity to get good acquaintances and connections." The idea is absolutely correct and achievable. True, it is not a fact that everyone will enter the circles, for example, of the Rockefeller families or the Baruch clan, but at least they will start their way to the top. Yes, you must also understand that there are no guarantees that you will even be able to get to the next step - there are many factors that can prevent this. But this does not mean that one must sink to the bottom of society! Or you can choose the path of "stability" and do nothing stably to change the quality of your life, which many people do :)

I find it very interesting that people who live in first-world countries can take any job that they want. They can pursue any job and at the same time follow their dreams. Whereas, people who live in third-world countries are forced to take at least any job in order to alleviate their situation from poverty.

Although the statement that I mentioned above is not absolute, the mindset of the rich varies greatly from the poor especially when we talk about opportunities.


The government plays an important role in the well-being of its citizens. It also greatly depends upon the opportunities that the government can possibly provide in order to address the issues surrounding the country. But, if the government is corrupt, then it is upon the individual on how he can alleviate himself from poverty.

When we talked about the government's corruption, that will not end. The corruption come from the greedy of human being. So, for the country which has many cases about corruption, that means the wheel of principal cant work effectively. The poverty which built the poor mentality  will be a culture of their life. One solution for them is only from them too, because without intention from within will damage ur life.

Dude I at least know that the things I can reach to matters a lot, like for example no king in history (ok maybe not the kings currenty) that we all heard of in history books ever had access to internet, can you imagine a life without internet?

It is like surreal that we can talk to each other like this, it is surreal that we can reach to any information we ever want, sometimes true facts, sometimes lies but at the end of the day we are talking about something that is quite unique for us. That is why I personally feel like it is awesome and I really want to feel okay about not living in New York or London and I am happy with wherever because I know that as long as I have internet and my computer then I am living better than almost everyone in history ever, even kings. Know that you are luckier than anyone in history even in health stuff, because medicine improved insanely better.

The problem with that advice is that it teaches a kid to leave where he is and go to a better place instead of staying and fixing what's wrong in his own society. I can leave today and go to England, I do have that chance, I have people I know there and maybe I will work for minimum wage but I would still be able to work, and that means I could live there, England is a much much much improved nation compared to what my current place can offer, it is just 10x better civilization already, it is like comparing 19th century versus 21st century when you compare them together.

However that didn't made me go there, instead I stayed where I am and joined groups that tries to better the world, not always big major changes of course, but even a small work helps, I am donating my time and that's it nothing more but I do help stray pets who need help, I help education of some kids that have no parents, and I help providing food and wood for families that need it, even doing that for my own society feels like I am helping my society get better instead of running away.

They're not payments, they're tax credits which offset taxes owed, which means you only get them if you have income in the first place and they reduce the amount of tax you pay.  You can't have 0 income and just get money for having kids under the program.  Also, the US under taxes to such an extent that nobody has a "large majority" of their salaries taken away in the form of taxes.  You have to be an extremely high income earner to even approach 50% tax rate and live in an area with multiple levels of high tax rates.  In other words, you built a strawman argument of a situation that exists very infrequently in reality, and in the specific case of people paying a "large majority" of their income in taxes, not at all.

Firstly, it's very nice that there are people like you, I respect your choice and your path!

At the same time, I will add that you did not quite understand me correctly. I was not talking about changing the place of residence or abandoning poor relatives, but about the fact that for personal development it is necessary to communicate in a more "developed" society, which will increase the level of knowledge, gain quality experience, and gain access to great opportunities. All this can be used to solve a host of problems - from attracting investment to poor areas, to giving people from, no offense, a less developed stratum an opportunity to make an attempt to raise their living standards! Like any "tool" - knowledge, experience, connections can be used in any way - for good and for harm, for many or only for oneself.
For a better understanding, a simple example - it is difficult to learn, for example, English if you only have a dictionary, and much easier to learn if you find yourself in a language environment, for example, in Britain or the United States. And when you raise the level of the language - you can use it as you like - you can find a good job in this country, or return to your country and start a business with international partners or for their market, and invest money in your city, or in their relatives.

Been poor and at a middle-class level should not be appreciated by someone, modalities, and plans need to be worked to erase some belief filling the mind of the people.
The poor and middle-class people in the society generate more respect for the rich in the society.
A rich mindset is a prerequisite of becoming rich and one that has achieved such a level has to displace some level of difference from others thereby making them see the rich to be arrogant.

To be poor is not what should occupy one's heart, but ways to escape from that circle should be the ultimate goal of such people.

Think rich, Be rich, and Sustain your Riches for;

Being poor and middle-class is not and can never be the solution.

I believe that nature- nurture plays a major role here. First the major influence on any humans life is family. The second influence is environment. I live in a country where over and again I've seen folks who grew up wretched become CEOs of their own company even without any sort of formal education but through a "positive family mindset" and their "environment".

Granted, we may not be able to choose if we are born into wealth or poverty but we can choose if we die rich or poor. Too many poor folks suffer from victim mentality. If you're poor and you want to be rich, here's a simple task go work as a janitor, chauffeur for the rich for 6months. I promise you life would never remain the same again.

A good topic. People at any stage, try to be rich. This is being the core target in each one's life. When one travels towards it, as you said, too many face struggles. Here where their ability to sustain or achieve is challenged. Many just give up consoling themselves as what they have is enough, but others, step forward either risking themselves in any business they know and succeed or loose based on where they have put up the business. Those who were born poor become rich or who were born rich, learn to main their standard or upgrade.

Now that I understand you, how about a middle way that would be both good for your view and good for my view as well. We now have internet under our hands, internet is very easy to access even in some of the worst countries in the world, my country provides one of the most expensive (compared to minimum wage a standard internet is 10% of minimum wage) for speed that is funny, it literally takes a minute for me to open a webpage sometimes, I have under 10 mbps for that much money.

However we still have access to it. I never went to anywhere else in the world, and yet I can speak English "fairly" well, sure I am not a native speaker but here I am writing on this forum and I rarely get complaints on my English, so you can learn English wherever you are as long as you want to. The middle way offer : Stay in your country but work online with other nations? Freelancing basically, or startup, or whatever you want online, that way you work with foreigners and get education, network, partnership, business, money from them but you are not leaving your nation neither.

It's a very important and effective topic . Man's born the system of his fate , some people born in a gigantic family some are very poor family and same in middle class. But all struggle the same manner, work hard to change your fate. Poor family members don't charge their fate due to attractive motivation on drugs, corruption and unsocial activities, some Rich members also have addicted above mentioned issues that turn into poor categories.

I born in poor family but luckily my family's religion guide everything about life, it is not only about praying and reciting. If I born in poor atheist family maybe I will find difficulties to surpass that barrier because maybe that family only can teach just what they know and experience and I am sure that they didn't experience everything in this world. But my religion guide me how to have good manner, aware about how important to always learn in any age, act correctly in society and etc. Actually without help from government I think only that is enough, government only need to provide infrastructures to learn such as school, university and etc. My religion teach me the good way to talk, walk, eat, look, act and etc. The most important thing is anything that we do in society must not harm or disturbing others so we can be acceptable in any class of society.

Even in case they are tax credits, there is a need to have a maximum limit on the number of children who can be used to avail this benefit. I would limit it to a maximum of 4 children. It is not fair, for the American tax payer to subsidize someone with 10 children, while an average tax payer family struggles to afford 2 children. And the proposed plan from Biden (American Rescue Plan Act of 2021) is not just limited to tax credits. It includes Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program (SNAP) as well as direct cash payments. The latter group makes for the majority of the expenses.

there is also much middle class who earn money dishonestly
I remember the wise words that Jack Ma said: "human destiny is only death, the rest is our efforts and hard work"

rich is a mindset and not destiny and this has been proven by millions of successful people around the world
while those who are poor always blame circumstances and continue to think that being poor is destiny

I think this is very realistic. But this does not mean that the poor cannot succeed. Many famous billionaires were not born in wealthy families. Their perseverance and wisdom made them. No matter where you start, you should have the right attitude, understand what you want, whether you want your children to be as ordinary as yourself, or strive for a better future for future generations. It depends on their own choice.

I see the point where you are coming from but I will like to disagree being poor doesn't mean the child will be poor intellectually, I know the standard of teaching might be different but the curriculum doesn't differ from the country where I am from I have various examples to back this point up. No poor parent will want the child to grow up to be like him/her so they will try their best to train them in this time and era.

Nothing is so absolute. To be honest, children from rich families will get more education, material resources and less pressure than children from poor families, but this does not mean that children from non-rich families will not succeed. In China, Jack Ma was not born into a wealthy family, he was just an ordinary university teacher after graduating from university. Who can imagine that in ten years, he will be ranked second on the list of China's richest people, and in 2020, he will be ranked 17th on the Forbes global billionaire list. Superior families have great advantages in their growth, but without this advantage, success may not be impossible. Don't forget your original intention.

I absolutely agree that the ideal solution is balanced and compromise. And the path that can be implemented in my country is not guaranteed that it can be implemented in your country, and this is a natural situation. Therefore, it is absolutely logical to choose the most optimal option for the situation around you.
At the moment I work in exactly this way - there are partners in the EU, and I, for the most part, work with them remotely - the financial and tax system in my country allows me to do this. The last 2 years, without traveling anywhere, due to the coronavirus.
I am sure you will succeed, and new opportunities will appear! Good luck in all your endeavors! :)

A child will stay dumb if there's no equal opportunity, I meam if everyone is given an equal opportunity for a quality education, we will see more of this poor child that excels more than the rich ones. For me, the mentality is there because people at the top are always trying ingrain that mentality because that way, they will stay on top.

I dunno why, but as long as I learn then I'm active in BTT, my life is better than before. I'm from low middle class in my country but when we talk about mentality, I'm lucky that I have a good education background because of my mom. Poor mentality can be changed because of education, so when the government want to solve this problem, I think free education will be the solution.

There are rich people I believe are honest and pure in their husle. It's not every successful person who indulge in dishonest ways. Though, it's really tasking to maintain the level of success especially when you have attained it peak.
Some people are equipped with knowledge, they even have the resources to project their self into that level but the stress of maintaining such status comes with challenge.
I believe no one want to be rich today and call broke tomorrow that's why some maintain their comfort zone and don't explore further.

Your mom made a great investment - investing in your training! Now everything depends only on you - gain knowledge, set goals and achieve them ... And you can change your life and reach a higher level, both material and social!
PS Always learn, learn new things, don't be afraid to make mistakes

Someone who has intention and thinks about future investment then they are people who are born to be smart and rich in term of thinking. Many poor people have succeeded in changing their social status in the economic field simply because they want to invest and are interested in learning about technological development. A poor young man in the complex where I live managed to build a house, buy a luxury car only because he was interested in learning how to make money from YT. He has changed his life with his strong will and determination and this has become a clear example in my social circle.

It is a mind set that is common among the different class,  the poor sees themselves as poor and don't believe they can be better than their poor status in life, the rich on the other hand sees it as their birth right and deserve it,  but being poor does not limit your dreams, goals and aspirations, it is about being self confidence and determined,  but you don't usually get such encouragement from school, families and society because as a poor kid it will be had to be able to achieve such dreams, and then it will only end up as dreams.

Great example, thanks!
Another small nuance - NOW the time has come when an ORDINARY person can achieve a noticeable result. Into the world of technology, in order to earn money, change your social status, it is no longer necessary to be born into the family of a banker, industrialist or politician! Quite enough desires, skills or craving for learning, perseverance. This is the recipe for success today. True, this will not work for everyone, but let's remember - only the one who does nothing is not mistaken. After the first failure, you should not go into depression and stop trying to do something, change something in your life!

that's what op said, poor is a mentality. Jeff Bezos comes from a poor family, Warren Buffet too, they are rich because mentally they are hardworking and smart. The average poor people believe that poverty is a gift from God or destiny and can only be grateful for it.

Yes, but it is worth considering one nuance that if you take in large numbers, then talented and lucky singles are rather an exception to the rules, which only confirms the rule itself ;) At all times, there are individuals who, thanks to their hard work and talent, make their way from the lower strata to the higher ones and earn wealth without being born into a rich family. But this does not mean that this happens to everyone and social inequality still remains. Yes, now there are more opportunities to climb thanks to social elevators, but do not forget that the process is mutual and if someone follows the social elevator up, then someone follows in the opposite direction, because there can't be too many champions.

Crypto has a way of reversing ones fortune. A poor mindset always seek gain as soon as possible then quits if some things are not going their way. No understanding or discipline to focus on how market reacts. A middle class mindset is work still is the best way to earn money, feeling it is more secured and little risks are involved. They are disciplined but not as educated enough to understand how they are taxed higher than the upper class. The time of work for them eats a lot thus compromising their ability to seek knowledge to improve.

The tax loopholes work, only of you have a wide range of investments. If you have invested in only 2-3 assets, and your financial conditions is not that secure, then you may need to sell your assets whenever a need arises and that will increase your tax bill. The super-rich almost never sell their top performing assets, thereby erasing the possibility of capital gains tax. They mostly sell their low performing assets, which after getting adjusted for previous losses result in almost zero tax. The middle class in normal cases don't have this luxury.

we can't blame them, because in their mentality they are looking for a safe life, and seem afraid to go out of the box, or take risks. but for those of the lower class, there are some of them who actually dare to take risks because they want to change their class of life so that it does not stagnate, and many of them are actually successful.

Yup, even now I try hard to be better than my family. Although I have gotten a good education bacause of my mom, I'm always making mistake because try anything that should be my supporting way in succesful. I never give up because of failure because everything teach us how to be better and this is one of kind delayed success, and never be a failure.

This is one that can be used as inspiration for those who want to think smart. A person's success in achieving this level of success depend on how we put the desire, interest, perseverance and consistency to learn it. In this forum, we have many people who have more knowledge and experience about bitcoin, trading, investing and other cryptocurrencies. We can use it to gain some lessons and knowledge because that is the way it is always recommended. The point is, don't be shy about asking.

I'm not talking about the fact that every second person who wants to become Elon Musk :)
I'm talking about the fact that most of those who make efforts, set goals for themselves, and strive for changes, with a high probability will achieve them and take the first step, to the next, higher level. A very simple example - in order to learn Python, it takes about 3 months of hard work to qualify for a junior position, and start earning a lot more than 3 months ago! You need another 2-3 years of active work to move one step higher and become a middle programmer. At this stage, you are already far enough away from your starting position. In a word, it's not so difficult to rise from the bottom, and become much higher ... And even if not by Elon Musk :)

Mentality is something very important and should not be neglected when speaking on the subject of wealth and societal class. Before one can become rich, he or she has to graduate from a level of thinking and certain ideologies behind money, society and more.

Take for instance, if you examine the way two individuals spend money, one puts his money to work for him in a manner that he believes that the way to get more money is to invest wisely, spend more on assets than liability and others, and then the other individual is a direct opposite of the character described before, you will observe that their mentalities about money are different, one being rich, the other poor.

Furthermore, rich and poor mentality is really a thing and is usually influenced by ones financial state or background. If you put the two classes of mentality of people in a room and really watch the interaction and behaviour, it will be very obvious that they ares both on different levels of thinking. Good and bad thing is, mentality can change and be influenced over time.

That's the easy part today because the poor can now handle putting their money to work through cryptocurrencies. It's hard to do this before because investing needs a ton of money and then unbank are not welcome to establishments. The institutions and laws before are making it hard because they want the poor to remain poor. Its time to start thinking rich.

The poor are always obsessed with their inherent wrong way of thinking, and have no chance to break this state and living environment. The rich will constantly seek new opportunities and try new things.

• The poor will pay more attention to consumption. No matter how much money they have, they will spend it all and have no savings for life.
• The middle class will manage their money. They keep trying new things, are good at challenging, and will buy assets, and what they invest in will bring them greater benefits.

The difference between the poor and the middle class is mainly reflected in personal efforts to improve lives and educational opportunities.

I can't agree with most of your post. Investing doesn't need a ton of money. You can invest in Bitcoin even with $10 or $100. And someone who had invested $100 in Bitcoin on 2012 will be now witnessing his coins growing in value to $700,000. The trick is to invest in the right asset, at the right time. And now regarding your argument that the system want poor to remain poor, some of the blame should fall on the poor people themselves. Let's take a case where a political party offers free education and skills training to the poor people. At the same time, another political party offers freebies and handouts. In 99% of the cases, the poor people will vote for the latter party, and that is the reason why they will remain poor.

our creator does not favor his creation, poverty is not destiny but the result of a mindset.  those who are poor are those who are afraid to take risks and also work extra hard.  “poverty is my destiny” is a sentence that only losers say.

Somewhat part of fate because there are people who do really tried out their best but still ending up on the same place or doesnt really show any progress or improvement at all.
Although not all but majority of them do really just surrender and just decided on living as it should be and some doesnt stop until they dont able to reach out their dreams.
It is indeed depending on someones mindset because we do have different goals or targets in life and with that effort and a mix of luck towards on things you are engaging
on then you would really be having that chance on making it happen.It is a matter on how one will purse and of course you would need to do the hard work.

Do not get hyped because you can get "rich" in the sense that if your goal in life is to make a million dollars, or even maybe few million dollars you will be able to do that. However if you want to be richest person in the entire world then you will have to realize that NOBODY at the top came from poverty, they are all rich people and that will have to continue.

Even Lebron James who is nearly a billionaire now I think, came from nothing and made a billion dollars but that dude is ONE player in all of NBA that became that rich compared to all the players that played in NBA history, so it is quite rare, it is already as rare as it gets to be an NBA player, we are talking about rare squared here

So, do not really get your hopes up about being super rich, you will have maximum of few million dollars which you can achieve via cryptocurrency investments but these days million dollars gives you a middle class life of a 60's person.

it's true that being rich is a choice we make and not destiny or inheritance from parents so everyone can get rich regardless of whether their parents are rich or poor.
but the current case is for poor people the pressure is very large because they have to be able to survive from the lowest point to be able to achieve success, in contrast to people who have been born with scattered assets, they will be able to at least continue from their parents, even it's not uncommon for those who are rich without the help of their parents to still be successful, but that's only a handful of people. the rest, many of them still take advantage of the wealth they have from their parents which can be used to start their own business.
not only there starting from the environment, education to finding a job even though the poor people have more pressure than the rich. but that's what makes the difference if they are successful they have more resilience because they are mentally trained to survive

   
    I remember that I have never left the topic of rich or poor since I was born.
The level of education between family and family is really unbalanced. Most parents just talk about entering key universities because they have not been exposed to higher education. In fact, their true inner thoughts are that they can go to ordinary universitiesis fine.

In some places, children either study in key universities or have the opportunity to study abroad. Anyone’s child is very embarrassing for their parents if they are admitted to a normal university.

Most of the poor are content with their own lives and do not have a positive and hard-working spirit, and the middle class has requirements of themselves and must meet this requirement.

I believe that a child has two basic factors that influences and shapes their mindset; family, environment. If one comes from a poor family and poor background chances are you learn very early that life isn't fair to the poor. I think the rough environment strengthens you for the real world and anyone who makes it out of the poverty line is always better for it

It's not like everyone is given an equal opportunity, people who think like this are privileged and is out of touch on what it's like to be poor, remember that the price of goods and services are increasing and it's not like the salary of poor and middle class workers go up so it seems that they will probably stay that way until a reform happens.

It was being said that poor people become poorer while rich people become richer. The mentality of the people matters in their status of life, like if your rich will simply think that you have to use your money to be richer, while the lower class will be just satisfied with what they've got today and never make a dream to become rich.
It is really hard to reverse the situation but if we wanted to have a change, it must be started by ourselves and with some kind of determination.

On the contrary I don't think poor people are contented with the situation of their finances. They just don't know how to get out of the maze, they work four jobs and still have little or nothing to show for it. Being poor ultimately means a poor education. There aren't many opportunities out there

The difference between the poor and the rich is that the poor are grown up with reality, while the rich are grown up with facilities.  it may be true that poor people are mentally weak and lack high ideals but not always rich people have high ideals that they want to achieve.  for me it all goes back to how children are raised and raised.  sometimes after growing up a person makes his choice to choose to have a little wealth so that he is not so busy in his life rather than having a lot of wealth and not having time for family.

The biggest difference is the accessibility to right information and good education.

I don't think human differ that much in IQ, but with a bad teacher, you are really wasting your time in school for years. It is all about viewing things from the right angle. Even today, only a few rich kids knows how the society works, most of the people only see very little part of the whole picture

actually, school for to get experience about society. and yes if kid need to learn something, but the point still how to interact with each other.
and many poor kid show their fangs after graduation, like they have good grades and pass every obstacle, accepted by good company. the rich one show their life with other way, because they already rich.

Education only teaches us about rules, discipline, how to behave, build dreams, doesn't make us rich, only a means of bridge to success. Education here is very important whether it's a school for the rich or poor but does not determine one's fate. They can be successful and rich because of themselves, their efforts and never ending prayers.

The executions of all the education that you acquired, as the very important piece is your experienced.

Education is a good foundation walking to the right path of success, if you have all those good foundation your chance is better than those with less, and that's very good point efforts and more on your faith that day will come everything will convert to success, richness is open for everyone there's always luck for each person..

The debate about education and experience which is more important in a career seems to never stop. The holders of academic degrees offer high technical knowledge and expertise, because they are already equipped with theory and all forms of things they are good at in an academic form.
Meanwhile, those who have worked for years (who are experienced) bring practical experience with proven success. Ideally, every employee has a combination of these two qualities. But of course this ideal quality can not always be obtained.
You may belong to one of these two groups, but there is no need to argue further, because in fact these two qualities are complementary. Learning about each other's strengths will give you the opportunity to learn from each other.
from here we should be more objective in paying attention to something because if we look at it, experience and education are all very important.

Here in my country we treat education as a special factor or a special ticket to get a good job, education taught me how to become a good citizen, obey rules and regulation and be a good employer but as I remember in my 16 years of education up to my college days all that the education instructor taught is to become a good employer but never have had tell to become a good investor or businessman. I've been born and raised in a poor family which my parents instill in my younger mind to finished my studies to get a good job but they never told me to finish my study and get rich. But now those advices that I've gained from my parents and environment has now changed, i am still struggling in life but at least changing my mind set from my younger self I treat it as a good start for a new beginning.

In general opinion we often hear that poor families will give birth to a generation that is no less poor. Empirically I think that answer is correct.

As explained by social science disciplines, poverty is always a straight line with low education. Therefore, if a child has a genetic link in a poor learning environment, the outcome will be poor.

This is also what Nicolaus Driyarkara notes about disintegration. Every social change (disintegration) by itself results in 1,000 problems in education.

Thus, it can be concluded that if in an area the population lives below the poverty line, it is certain that education in that area is neglected. Of course we can argue that education is not the only factor causing poverty.

There are economic, political, and socio-cultural factors that cannot be ruled out either. However, it is difficult for us to avoid it because education is the only rational answer that we can receive to break the chain of poverty.

Your opinion is also correct, but I need to add that in terms of alleviating the social class gap and education, the state is also obliged to pay attention to the lives of its citizens.

countries need to carry out several strategies to address every problem of social and educational inequality, including:

Early childhood development and nutrition: these steps help children grow in their first 1,000 days. Malnutrition and lack of cognitive growth during this period can cause educational delays and reduce their achievement later in life.

Health protection for all: Providing coverage for poor people to get affordable and timely health services, and at the same time increasing people's capacity to learn, work and progress.

Access to quality education for all: The number of students worldwide has increased and the focus must shift from simply sending children to school to providing quality education for every child wherever they are. Education for all children must prioritize the learning process, knowledge and skill development as well as the quality of teachers.

Cash transfers to poor families: This program provides poor families with a basic income, enabling them to keep their children in school and enabling mothers to access basic health services. The money can also help poor families buy necessities such as seeds, fertilizer, or livestock, and help them deal with droughts, floods, pandemic disasters, economic crises or other shocks. Cash transfers have been shown to reduce poverty and create opportunities for both parents and children.

Rural infrastructure – particularly roads and electricity supply: Construction of rural roads can reduce transportation costs, connect rural farmers to markets to sell their goods, and allow workers to move more freely, and improve access to education and health services. For example, providing electricity to rural communities in Guatemala and South Africa has helped increase the female workforce. Access to electricity also makes small-scale home businesses more viable and productive, which is indispensable for the poor in rural areas.

Progressive taxation system: A fair and progressive taxation system can finance policies so that the necessary government programs run well, allocating available resources to the poorest people. The tax system can be designed to reduce inequality and at the same time maintain budget efficiency.

OP, the moment we read the subject, we drew an imaginary conclusion of what it could be about.
We thought it was probably about the mental state of a person that is being set by the society that how to categorise themselves as rich or poor. However, we read and found out how the irrelevant resources and lack of knowledge as well as discrimination of caste, creed, sex and religion also play a vital role in the making of riches and poors. The least availability of resources for poors is the reason why they are being fed about their poverty since their childhood by making them realise about it and it also applies to riches, but in an opposite manner.

If it is said that the poverty factor is the low level of education in the community, then I will convey some interesting facts in the field when I am together with many poor people as a form of my care and responsibility in social institutions. The government as a regulator and facilitator has provided many educational facilities but many parents do not care for their children to go to school and do not pay attention that school is very important the result is that children are not interested in getting education so that in addition to a low level of education, family factors and parental love for children will greatly affect the growth and development of children and affect the future of their children.

In short, the mentality is made because a small group of people wants to control other people so they can make a lot of money and freely reign over those people. The things that you mentioned all in essence is used to control people and the only way to break through this control is if we destroy who is at the top.

Most such parents do not think about their children's progress in school, and perhaps they think that the most important thing is that they have fulfilled their obligation to send their children to school.
and most of them do not supervise and also know the development of their children while at school where parents must always help their intelligence to teach what has been taught in school and good things to help their brain development, and that will greatly affect their future.
I think the government prioritizes needs and so on with what each school needs and also its facilities because they really expect a generation that is smarter and not stupid and also poor.

Hmm ... I can only agree that any opinion has a right to exist. But I definitely do not like the essence of it. Please tell me why a person who constantly works, and receives a good reward for it, should share something with someone, especially, probably with someone who, in order to improve his well-being, "does not put a finger on his finger" !? Why should a working person who wants to organize his life have to pay for a comfortable life at his own expense? I understand very well what charity is. But there is no need to pervert the idea of ​​humanity, good deeds, and to form a layer of lazy, stupid, doing nothing people living at someone else's expense. And will we also form a stratum of "slaves" who must work, develop, earn for their family and for a couple of families of such social ballast? Humanity should be logical!

There are 8 categories of people who are entitled to receive zakat from the rich, from those 8 categories, I don't think I will let the lazy wave continue against them.  Poor which is said in zakat is also different from the state version of poor.  Poor in the book of zakat is said when the income is not enough to meet the basic needs of one day, so when you have excess wealth isn't it normal to donate in the form of zakat?

The difference in the environment where the poor and middle class grow up is the number one factor that affect their mentality. The poor people mostly grow up in a place with less opportunity, with less resources, with less education facility and great educators and etc. Everything is lesser than what a middle class can have.  A middle class and rich people grow up and are already exposed to many opportunities, they can have the resources that they need, a high quality education and they are surrounded by people who can teach how to use the resources or money that they already to be more successful.

And also the mentality of poor people always focus on how to survive in the whole day. And the educators always focus on how to make thier student obedient that limit the kid's creativeness or to think out of the box that can greatly help them in the future.

If the people in control is always trying to put down the public and then blaming them that it's their fault then the mentality will stay there, they didn't ask for the situation that they were born in and it's not like they're lazy, it's just that no matter how hard they work, the people who make money the most are those at the top.

We need not to destroy anybody because here we are talking about mentality, and it can be changed only if a better mentor enters the minds of poors to make them believe that 'they can become rich too' and being rich is not something that is privileged for the riches and their heirs only, it is the mental state of a person that categorises them as rich and poor. Some poors think they are rich because they are rich by heart, some riches think they are poor because they don't have heirs to carry forward their heritage while tutors and the society as well as even parents feed in the minds of children since their childhood that they are made to give labor (poors) or they are here to rule everyone (riches).

Usually, poor people and also poor countries are more religious and most of the religions tell you that being a rich is a sin and if you live like a martyr, then you'll rest in piece and all the rich people will become the victim of devils. And then these people often cool down their minds with the words like: Yeah, I am poor but I have a good soul, like when a bad looking guy says that he looks average / below average but he has a beautiful soul and other hilarious jokes.

There are also a lot of things there: People don't want to do what other people did to become a rich, what efforts they put, etc. It requires a decent and smart work from someone to achieve a high quality of life and become rich.

Also again, some very talented and open-minded but poor people live in countries where they can't achieve success because they have to work hard everyday just to feed themselves and there is a high nepotism there. Life is luck!

Let's do this - I have not read the work you are talking about, and it would be, on my part, silly to argue on this topic, without knowing at least basic ideas or concepts. I will be very grateful to you if you give a link (preferably in English) for studying this doctrine / ideology, I apologize in advance - I do not know what to call it correctly!

And the question is - tell me, if I help the poor, for example, by giving them clothes, food, furniture, equipment that I do not need, is this help? Or does it have to be MONEY? But if I help a nursing home and an orphanage, buying food for them, for example, is it wrong? Is it better to share with their tenants money or other wealth that I have earned by my labor? I would like to understand the concept you voiced, and from this point of view

Handing out freebies can never be a perfect solution. If zakat could resolve the issue of poverty, then there should not be any poor people in countries like Somalia and Sudan. That is not the case. Also, the 2.5% wealth tax is a bit on the higher side, especially if this is done on top of regular income tax. So instead of handouts, I would argue in favor of giving education and skill training for the poor. Handouts will last only for a few days. But the education and skills are permanent and will stay with these people for their entire life and help them to find a proper job.

I see what you are saying but another problem I notice with our current education system is the massive streamlining of everything. There is not enough flexibility and also insufficient individual programs. Yes I know there are thousands of programs by now, but everyone has a very specific set of talents. Yet people are sitting with 600 or even more in one room listening to the same stuff over and over again for decades. The only thing that often changes in the professor's presentation is the date in the top right corner, not the content.
I think you are right that essential stuff like investing and taxes aren't taught at all although everyone faces it from very early on. Picking the right insurances, saving money and many more things that are essential to a content life are not part of the educational schedule.

How can you be so sure that poverty can't be eliminated? have you checked the situation in China? During the last two decades, they managed to completely eradicate extreme poverty. Wealth disparity will exist forever, because the population doesn't have the same skill set. But it is 100% possible to eliminate extreme poverty. And I don't agree with your argument that it is our duty to help the poor. The income tax levels are going up with every passing year, and in many countries the marginal tax rates have touched 60% mark. And it is not fair to ask someone who pays 60% tax on his salary, to further take out some money to help others.

Yes, the government should provide employment and education, but not only the government, but also the people, must do so. Because the government cannot meet all of the requests from its citizens, we must help and give to one another. There are people who are fortunate right now because they are wealthy, but some of them are not giving back to their communities. If everyone gave and provided something, I believe poverty would be reduced, but not eliminated.

That's the mentality that keeps the poor poorer, we always think that if they just work harder and efficient, that they will be able to change their life, no it won't. We are too privileged to know that this world is unfair to the weak and poor. It's hard to reverse the situation when people like you think this way, that the only way to change is for the people to change their mentality, remember that there are people that are the victim of circumstances.

I somehow agree with some of your statement. I was raised in a middle class family where studying is a priority. In school we are taught how to follow rules and regulations and for me its a preparation for us to become a good workers. We are taught and being mold to become workers and not to reach the highs. It is hard to fight back in this manipulation by governments, its like we are destined to work for others and not for our own selves. By this, it's just a matter of dedication and skills to set free to these chains and build your own legacy. It's up to us whether we work for others or we work for our own company.

That's true! We can't eradicate poverty but at least we can do something to reduce it. Sometimes, people unable to get out of poverty because of their narrow outlook on life and they are content with being poor but if we can help them to educate themselves, I think their mentality will be change. It’s hard but if you can help even one person to get out of poverty, it’s going to be a huge thing.

But on the other hand, everything is balance. Even then, there has been poverty. IF everyone is rich, who will do that work that only the poor can do? Who will work for the rich?

That's right, some people are poor not because they're lazy but becauuse their governments failed them, they cared more about the things that will increase their influence rather than going to the root of the problem. And to the people that thinks that it's all about mentality, you have never experienced poverty before and how being poor keeps you in that line, you are privileged so you can't speak like they can just do what you're doing.

Agree with the OP that there's definitely a mentality for poor versus rich people, a "learned helplessness" or self-fulfilling prophecy that poor people have.  This doesn't mean that being rich and entitled automatically leads to success -- if put in an enivronment with bad opportunities, the rich may not succeed either.

This pandemic has triggered many things, including for some middle class people they have fallen completely to the lower class, because their jobs were compromised and many companies closed liquidating each worker, this supposes a total failure in the particular economies of many, and Looking for work in a pandemic was not an option, some companies with more economic power have been able to survive by keeping their workers through online platforms, or simply by working from home, however many depidos have been triggered.

Of course some people have been able to take advantage and their status has improved from middle to upper class since they have been able to start businesses taking advantage of their savings, although I know that the percentage is very minimal.

Even myself had really gone down when it comes to financial status since my business was mainly affected and it did really affect my income which in result to hardship.
For mentality aspect then it didnt really bother me much on changing because it was never been a reason for me to change my mindset on being positive and finding ways
or alternatives to find more income or source and this is where mentality do really differ but doesnt mean that it would vary on what financial capacity you do have.
Its on the person on how he handle up himself.

The poor and the rich have different life concepts, different levels of education, and different world outlooks.
The lives of some poor people cannot be imagined by the rich. The poor want to leapfrog classes and get more resources, they have to pay more. This may be a very simple thing for the rich.
The one I saw before:

The main factor to change and rise from poverty is struggle and hard work. Although this is very hard for the poor and takes longer, learning discipline and analyzing the lifestyle of the rich in economic terms is very much needed. Sometimes we have to make a decision that is beyond our capabilities, and we are not even sure about it. But the space and hard work put in will definitely have an impact either directly or indirectly.
A poor man can become rich only if he is willing to try to create his own opportunities.

Working hard obviously does have its benefits, but if someone wants to get out of poverty, then he should be working smartly as well. The problem is that a large fraction of the poor people are OK with the status quo. They work 12-14 hours per day, and supplement their income with government handouts. But they don't realize that if they put some effort in improving their skill set, then their salary may go up by manitimes. And many of the employers also don't want that, since they are afraid of losing cheap labour.

I was not in general but most of them have no plan at all. Actually, some just did to escape from staying in the lower class of the society but those numbers left are pretty much bigger than those who are able to change. 
But if you are talking about opportunities, there are more opportunities for rich people. That makes poor people become hopeless and just be contented with what they've got.

I read about it, found information. I just ask you not to be offended by my answer, tk. what you are proposing is based on religion. So this is not a solution to the problem. Not even partial. Let's take a look at this process from the outside. And we will evaluate it as any process in terms of the result. Despite the fact that in the Muslim world there are a lot of very rich people, the number of the poor is disproportionately higher than if, for example, compare the US or the EU. There is a middle class there, in Muslim countries, with rare exceptions there is almost no middle class. This is an indicator that "fair distribution" does not work, which means that some other principles in the structure of society / state are violated.
Again, in my personal opinion, such one-time "gifts" do not solve the problem at all. As a rule, they go to "grub", and never go to systemic solutions, such as paying for the child's education.

No disrespect to the schools and universities. I am stll thankful for them in teaching the basics such as English, Math, Science, etc., especially in our respective courses during the college days. However, these schools and universities are not teaching us how to become financially literate and become successful in life.

They’re giving us a poor or middle class mindset where I wanna reference Robert Kiyosaki’s Rich Dad Poor Dad book “Study hard, get good grades, when you graduate, get a stable job with benefits until retirement”., in which it’s indeed true. They didn’t teach us how to become successful in life, but instead only taught us some specific skills and working hard to get good grades, but ended up earning less.

I’ve got to be honest with you. Although I’ve graduated under the Bachelor of Science in Commerce, the only skills that I have implemented from college was about management. Until now it’s still helpful for me in my daily life, where I have implemented it right here on the crypto space. I have never ever worked in a full-time physical office job in my entire life, so I am mostly work from home. It also gives us some ways to become as creative as we are in order to become successful later on and making a difference.

"Christmas comes but once a year" This is a familiar saying. Allah is kind to his creature. Allah is always to help, sport and is ready to give blessings. He blesses every one chance to rise and change his destiny. It is a fact that the poor and middle class always make effort to improve their condition. They have the potential and effort to grow & develop. The hustle and bustle in the world are due to the activity of the poor and middle class. Their mentality has good norms and standards.

Contentment does really vary into each person on which they would neither consider or not on making out some changes into their lives.Some wouldnt  really like to stay  on becoming poor and some is just really
contented  on what they do have now.

Its not bad on being contented but you should at least set up goals on making your life even way more better.There's no harm to try to dive in with the opportunities but if you dont like on having
improvements into your life then its your choice.

We do have our own plans and choices in life.