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There have been so many accusations and counter-accusations on the subject matter of fraud so many players have come out with evidence of scams against some sites while the operator of those sites come up with counter-accusations that players violated their T&C.
I think it will be proper if an online accredited court is set up to judge such cases, rather than leaving them uncensored.

Cases like that have been happening for years, especially on online gambling sites, the war between players and gambling sites is unstoppable, everyone is selfish with each other, everyone wants to win, no one wants to lose, the gambling side wants to defend themselves and the players also defend themselves, that's gambling, no one wins and no one loses, why do people still want to play (lust) that's human.

There are certain factors that make them clash between players and online gambling sites.
1. Losing players don't want to accept defeat, war begins.
2. The gambling site, doesn't want to pay when the player wins to the highest level, self-defense occurs.

However, not all online gambling sites are rotten-hearted and not bad-hearted gamblers, there are gambling sites that honestly pay all wins and there are players who are aware that I am losing and have to accept that it is gambling.

All cases of fights, accusations, mutual wars return to yourself and it is recommended to choose an online gambling site that has a good reputation and is responsible both from within and from outside, crux of the matter.

It is Great to see that a account that advertising so much case gambling site is making this kind of thread in which very reasonable to have,
because indeed there are tons of cases filed by players against casino owners and same as the counter from casino sites against the players

>> Players Violating ToS = Said by casino team.

>> Casino Sites freezing/taking their Funds = Said by Players.

If this is possible to Implement? i will 100% support this Court for the benefits of all gamblers like us.

The court is one sided. Only the casino can sue a player to court for fraud or multiple account usage. They are some things that cause these disputes.

1) players don't read TOS before playing games on a casino whether Live or not. Withdrawal Limits must be confirmed first before working with any Casino. If you try to withdraw all your big win and it exceeds the casino's limit for the week then your funds will get delayed. I have seen cases that players filed as fraud on casino forums, but it's a withdrawal limit dispute.

2) Usage of VPN on a casino that restricted your location can hinder your money from getting to you. Even when taken to court the case is no case because its boldly written on the website of the Casino

So, if before you joined the casino and you researched about them on Casino review sites such as (Neil Patel) recommended and it shows  that the site is Scam free then your only option is to read about their rules. This alone can settle the disputes.

This could be really a sensitive topic I don't think it would be possible and probably the court will find it hard to sort which real and which is not and in result it will be a waste of time and effort since some users can't really accept that they lose a big amount of money some really do violated the gambling site's T&C and other kind of cases but having a online gambling court could also have a good idea too for some kind of real cases.

Quite a surprising thing that on this forum users like you attack individuals based on the signature their wear and not based on the subject matter.
Having a gambling online Court should be able to all the gambling fraud and can easily backlist them from the online gambling community.

The problem is casino preys mostly small time gamblers, and this kind of people don't have money to pay attorney and stuff. Let's say they have been scammed $10k but have to pay legal fees of $100k knowing they can still lose the case and have to pay casino's legal fees. The only feasible scenario is via class action lawsuit, but that needs lots of people getting scammed (not selective scamming). Also, different jurisdiction is a problem as well.

Thus, most of the time, we can only rely on the "community action," and bitcointalk is a good place to solve this issue (in a limited way). I've been here for like 3 years and see many issues resolved by the action of the community.

Do you know the reason? why he talks like that.

Your signature casino company have the worst some case and turn into a scam casino should be avoided, I think you also know the case I was referring but still apply to the campaign because you got money and don't care to protect customer side.

Remember, you also promoted them by apply to the campaign

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Still remember issue case of 330 BTC winning on Cloudbet, can be solved by community help with over 3 month ;D

Not only the players are being greedy. You will notice it right away if an issue happen to you like your withdrawal request is denied due to not obeying their rules or terms and conditions even though you didn't violate any of it. If you really are not a greedy person then you wouldn't stop a winner to withdraw his profit.

Gambling sites owner will be in favor if there is a gambling court. It is also not surprising when a forum users attack another forum user base on the signature they wear. In your case, you promoted a gambling sites that have many issues and those accusations are not solved by the site owner which mean that it is not to be trusted or a scam site. In short, you are helping the site to spread their platform and have more gamblers which many of them become victims of not being paid when they requested to withdraw.

What the op thinks of setting a court for gambling issues seems to be good, when we think of the accusations and all the fraudulent acts done by a gambling platform to its users. However this can't be made effective in real-time for few reasons.

Gambling sites have the disclaimer and the terms of service. It is the users responsibility to read it, agree on it and further spend on the platform. One out of ten might read and agree to it, whereas the majority just agree and proceed. Here the argument won't support the users and in case of withdrawal stopped without any reason according to the terms of service then this court could help. Gambling is restricted in more countries. When such issues arise and people take more cases to the court, automatically the court will suggest the government to ban gambling. Why should we do that.

This can be a big help however, this will take time and a lot of money to spend for having such online court. For now, if you feel unsafe and got scammed by an online gambling site you can look for their license, of their physical office so by this you can know where to file a case and sue them. I’m just wondering are you a victim of a scam site just like on your Signature OP?

^ Then who will be the prosecutor? So it means there will be a judge to depend on both parties.
This could become a biased decision or it could be abused, this is very sensitive for everyone who we can trust to prosecute such criminal action towards the defendant or the opposite one. A community like us can be judges and there is no single person to handle such a case, proper evidence is a must too. However, your idea will probably be effective but we don't know yet where to start.

You can’t question scam projects online if you are also introducing a scam project, that wont work.
International online gambling court is not possible I think because every country have their own laws about gambling and you can just go to your local court they can still help you to file an international law suit but I don’t think its worth it especially if you got scammed by small money but if we are talking about millions of money here then hire a good lawyer to work for you on this case.

I think it is not necessary that there is any specific online court for cases involving disputes between gambling sites and customers. what needs to be done Is the following:

each country where they issue casino licenses need to have a website where people can complain about the casino which and then the authorities of that country where the person complained will refer the case to the police and will investigate the case, in case the casino actually committed the crime of having stolen the customer's money then the courts of that country that issued a license to the casino will punish the casino. I think this is something simple to create, but what is lacking is the willingness of countries that issue casino licenses to do

Do you know who is responsible for Cloudbet. They scam me for 5 BTC.

Well you are off-topic here, create your own thread on the scam accusation board and present your valid proof.
Regarding the question by the OP, it sounds good but I don't know how it will work --but having a license is enough and I think regulation of will perhaps may occur too. This is idea is indeed good but we don't know how to implement it and how can police investigate, many gambling casinos will behave on their habit that selectively scamming their users.

With those evidences, if a legit casino sees the legitimacy of their concern. They'll for sure be refunded and they'll take the money that they deserve. But mostly, these complains are just coming from those gamblers that can't accept that they've lost a lot.

They have a thread[1], go there and tell what's your complain and how did they scammed you or if you can't withdraw your balance there.

[1] Cloudbet | Bitcoin Casino & Sportsbook | The No.1 Bitcoin Gambling Site (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=333552.0)

If you are talking about crypto-gambling sites, that can't be applied. Others want anonymous gambling and don't want centralized stuff but like to take legal actions when the site is showing unprofessionalism to their actions. See what I'm trying to picture out there?

If you want that kind of setup, choose a gambling site that is registered to the government, mostly fiat sites, so you can file a lawsuit against the site.

That's right, would be hard if the OP is referring to crypto casinos.
But it can be done with fiat-based online casinos as most of them are registered to where they are operational.
But with crypto casinos where a lot of them are not requiring KYC to its customers, I don't think such court can be applied.
And yes, just play on sites registered under the supervision of the government, so filing a lawsuit may be possible.
Otherwise, you are just wasting your effort and resources when it comes to crypto casinos, even with gambling license.

I'm not sure why you consider that as an attack since you are the one who is asking for a Gambling Court in which he mentioned to be reasonable for us to have,
so by all means he is favor for your proposition .
It is just coming from an account that advertising a company that has so much cases being filed by the victims seemingly the first to be on Trial if this happens.
and besides take it as a challenge for you to push this Court to happen and give justice either if the cases filed in your company(1xbit) is true,
or if the complainant are lying .
Even if he knows nothing that He can do because there are still no "Online Gambling Court" that exist .

And where would this online court be operating from? Who are the judges answerable to? Who will pay them? Who will select them? From which particular law does its existence spring forth?

This is a complicated matter because legal jurisdictions are limited. You cannot just create an all encompassing court which has the power to try all cases of gambling all over the world. Furthermore, gambling laws differ from one country to another. And if you set this kind of court, it will definitely need a huge manpower given that hundreds and hundreds of millions of gamblers are scattered all over the world.

None of these set of question are answerable i guess  ;D , and if ever there is the main question is How reliable and worth trusting the court?

and yesr Online gambling site is really hard to watch and managed .

That's true it saves you time money if you play in a gambling site with a good reputation, there are always complaints about, even on a reputable gambling site, it's important that they address it in a manner that satisfies the gambling community, satisfies means they counter all accusations with proofs and do not just post , it's all about transparency.

The community is fair enough to see who's proofs are worth supporting.

but most of the time this RULE Breaking is what used by scam sites to take money from their players.

it is easy for them to accused players of cheating because they can hide in their Privacy rights to not disclose any information or proofs towards the said gambler.

so in the end their own rules helps them victimized players.

That is the point gambling sites hide under these rules to take players' money most especially when a big amount is won. But if there is an accredited online Court it will help check out this abnormality when proven the necessary punishment be given to them.

Like you have written, some losing players would never want to admit defeat which is always the contrary of what the Court or the hearers would expect. It is much difficult for online court to exist cause gambling platforms would always accuse the players of violation of their terms and conditions, which is a way to suspend the the case. There are some many factors that will prohibit the exist of online court making it less active.

This is certainly good for all of us , but the problem is how would this be implemented and who will handle the course?

The point @Darker25 mentioned are very important in this part.

How can this be implemented if there  are so many grounds to consider.

Yes , this is how similar most of the gambling site issues now.

I agree I have no idea how this going to be set up and what's governing body will set it up, we have different license issuers and every country has different rules and laws regarding gambling, and who will audit the auditor, it's much easier if it's an offline casino but different if it's an online one, I prefer and believe that the community of players or gamblers be the judge based on the accuracy of the proofs and pieces of evidence, gambling is a game of trust, casinos can easily lose their business if they lose gambler's trust.

Yeah... Impossible to put it into practice. You are not going to get all countries to agree and even if you do, there will always be sites on which you will not be able to act, if they act in the DW for example. The OP's thinking is very nice in theory but impossible to implement in practice.

It is indeed that OP has a great views on what can be done in gambling to keep safe players interests against Gambling sites abused .

But also it is really hard to implement such as like the points  you mentioned it is even harder to ask who will pay them for their services because if they will do this in good faith then there must be under the table will happen soon.

It is hard to have an online court as players and the casino owner will not want to show their identity and stay behind the wall. Besides that, how will the punishment be given to those who are guilty?

It needs a local regulator to investigate the proof and visit the casino owner and the player to ask about the scam or cheating. I think that will be difficult since the player is not lived in the same country or jurisdiction as the casino.

'Online gambling courts' arguably exist in regulated areas generally, where said companies have a license. Whether you call it a 'court' or not, there are rules and procedures that must be followed and if broken result in some sort of action.

To police the current crypto space with something like that is close to impossible, because we live in a multi state/cultural society and laws are different everywhere. And that would just be the start of the issues with this idea.

Within the current climate you always reach a kind of equilibrium where some sort of policing is done and that is in the way of reviews, reputation and forums. Anything further hasn't been done because it just wouldn't be worthwhile for anyone.

It's impossible for an online global court to exist since we don't live in an one government world jurisdiction. However, you can still sue a gambling company by tracking in which country they are located and by picking a lawyer from that territory to work for you. It's an expensive, tiring and time consuming process though...
You can also request help and further guidelines on how to act regards this matter from local authorities responsible for the country where the casino is located in case you feel you are being scammed and want to take legal action against them.

Online casino gambling courts are also unlikely to be the solution. It would be very difficult and limited access to conduct physical investigations. In addition to limited legal jurisdiction, of course the listed rules that have been mutually agreed upon between the casino and gamblers are agreements that have been accepted by both parties from the start. especially the gamblers who are prepared for the risks they accept. No court would accept an offer like this just the case couldn't be proven if the casinos themselves had more courts they paid to get operations running under government protection.

And this means that this court needs to be all-encompassing and has jurisdiction on all online gambling platforms and players no matter the nation they are registered in. I don't think this will work, though if a legitimate, unbiased online casino ranking site is present wherein reviews are reliable do exist, it may be one reference which players can use in order to choose which platform should they use. It may not be so much of a help on casinos, but them being able to mess with their players without any explanation is a power players don't have against them.

Btw, are you talking about your own signature project that is here always accused as a scam gambling site?
The accusations are not only based on one or two reviews, there are more than these numbers, they also have evidences that show whether they are scammed by the gambling platforms or not.
So far, there is  a scam accusation in this forum, and this also works enough to know whether the projects or sites are exactly scam or not.
And if there are Online Gambling Court, if there is any, will they really use the court when the costs may be so high and also within complicated court?
Well, just see from many reviews about the certain gambling platforms, and we can see whether it is reputable enough  or not to use or play in the platform.

that's why this kind of initiative is hard to exist as there are so many factors in play that are not possible to happen. with site reviews or rankings, it depends mostly on their experience and we know that each player can have varied experiences in one site.so as a player, what's left for you to do is assess those reviews how valid it is by trying also to play on the site, and see for yourself what's in store for you. use small funds to try their features though.

I have to say "Nice point Rengga Jati"! :)

At the same time, I will have to quote one of my dear friends Efi"

Sometimes (probably more often than we think) crypto gambling is a wild west... I guess most of us follow the rules of the site whatever they are, but there should be some rules for casinos as well! From that side I understand the point of "online gambling court", but I guess that's something impossible... at least for now! I think this "wild west" will last a bit longer!

The bottom line, you are looking forward to decentralized gambling when you consider playing and putting money on crypto-gambling sites. Therefore, expect that you also need to deal with a decentralized environment wherein you won't see any authority to forward your complaint to the said crypto-gambling site.

To somehow minimize the risks, just play at those sites who already gained a good trust and reputation in the world of crypto-gambling. This online gambling court is far from happening.

Who will authorize the court? If there will be, they will be subject to the government's approval. It's not good if we allow the government to enter the crypto gambling premises as it will result in centralized gambling like what fiat casinos do have.

I think accusations like that only happen on a not popular site. Do you have an example of that site counter-accusations by the said website? What if the user really violated the Terms and Conditions?

The problem is something that has been around for years, and your intention to create the court seems important, but it's something that wouldn't work.
The best tool we have is the forum itself, where users bring the problem and present their evidence, in the same way, sites have the same right and the community is the one who decides who is right or not.
Anyone trying to steal will be penalized... in case a notable user will get a "flag", in case of a site it will be spotted forever in the biggest crypto forum (a very bad advertisement against it).
What would a court be more efficient at than that?

Where does the funding come from?

Who will be the enforcer?

There are simply way too many legal and logistical overheads for this idea to work, imho. The best that we can do in this direction is really industry self-regulation, which is probably not necessarily the best thing.

I agree the online gambling court is likely just going to be an online community that gives and shares decisions on which platform to be avoided by everyone.
But if you're the gambler that wants to avoid every possible problem with the casino that you want to play. That's going to make you sure that you're on the right casino that has a reputation to protect.

This is where that license first impressions do really happen but we know that this isn't on everything because anyone could really rigged up and scam out their players money which with due to this anonymous market then its really hard to trace it upon.
It wont really be guaranteeing everything that's why we should really be careful on dealing with things.
Stick into those reputable ones and you would really be saving up yourself into problems.

For me there is still no online court that is only a community with what you mention, as far as I know in any case on the internet no one is tried by this online court it will be very difficult how to prove it.
For me, if you believe in a forum that already has a good reputation, then it's better to follow the flow that other people are doing, including gambling, which has a lot of good reputation in this forum, do you not believe what the forum provides as a promotion?

A blockchain recording backend data, could be formatted so that even site administrators could not alter the data.

Perhaps such is the future of the gambling industry. A provably fair system of backend DBMS which would allow disputes between casinos and players to be settled through dissemination of backend information, which no one can forge or alter.

To be reliable, such a system would probably need to be built using open source tools for the codebase to be open for independent code review. Closed proprietary systems would probably not be trustworthy for most.

There are other methods and formats which could be viable. Perhaps a 3rd party timestamped tool for players to record all of their pending bets.

Forget this mate. Why hope for that if, in the first place, crypto is anonymous.

It's like saying, we should now adopt the centralized thing like what we are dealing with right now with most exchanges.

That's part of the risk of doing gambling in crypto. We have to accept that.

It would not be a gambling court, more a gambler's law firm mediator like game-protect (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=874254). If there was such a court which would comply with global regulations, your claim might be denied if you are from a country where gambling is illegal.
Gambling courts shouldn't just deal with casino company offenses. There are many casinos that have actually fallen victim to the exploitation of fraudulent players and lost hundreds of thousands of dollars unnoticed.

Keep in mind that we are talking about casino here which is regulated by gambling regulatory board thru providing license to operate. Crypto is really anonymous as currency but it was use on a regulated service so it means that you are not anonymous anymore. But this can only happened if the casino that commit fraud has license to operate. For non-license Casino, Its up to the user on how they will handle the risk on still playing on it.

There are only two reasons with it it's the part of the mistakes of the player because they didn't even read those permission, terms and rules of the platform mostly common is this they just come up to the platform because that saw it somewhere or someone offers them this by this the argument will not support. If the mistakes come from the gambling platform and there's no feedback or action will take it will now be the responsibility of the gambling platform that might remove their license. IMHO it's useless to scam other people than getting a good reputation for your players that might get your business up. And other one hrs crypto the obligation of the users must need to know if this is registered or not.

I'm pretty sure you could bring them up in the court itself, so there's no need to set up an online one though afaik it's limited to where the casino is located or the country it's registered at. That's why licensed casinos are preferred more since they ensure that the casino is actually registered somewhere and is legally doing business. Also OP I think you made a mistake, I think you meant censored? And the only reason really why it's left as such is because the user doesn't bring it up to court. He posts it instead in the sites forum and other sites that have gambling-related threads (like this one) and lets the people know, and it stops there. It isn't really censored per se, but it mostly has a limited impact.

What OP pointing out is that, even a player didn't violate any, the site will counter that the player violated one of the terms. I understand OP on that part as that was unprofessional and users don't have any choice to do. It eventually leads to OP that there should be an authority that will handle it.

However, since crypto gambling was mostly preferred by others because of anonymity, it's somehow irrelevant to hope for an authority that will handle the case in a decentralized world.


For now, there are still lots of regulated crypto gambling site that's not forcing their users to provide KYC. The majority is still anonymous. Even with that setup, there's still a question on how that main authority to be built. Let's say all crypto-gambling sites are now KYC mandated, in the event that users wants to report them for any fraudulent activities, does any government body can pressure those regulated gambling sites?

Somehow, I agree that playing in the crypto gambling site with reputations and always avoid playing in the unknown crypto gambling site or a new website because we do not know how well they handle their members. The good news is that we have many crypto gambling sites that have good reputations for minimizing the risks of getting a scam by them. We do not have to worry if somehow, we have a problem in that site because they have a good support system that always helps their members solve the case. The online gambling court is hard to implement on the internet as both sides are not meet face to face.

Agree with you both. The moment we enter and consider playing at crypto gambling sites, we already accept that if ever there's something wrong about the site, we can't file a case against them or there's something we can rely on to file a complaint. It's better that we do our part to stay safe just by choosing a good-running gambling site that's already operating for a long and has already built a good reputation, not just here in the forum, but to other community discussions as well.

Online gambling court for every country or universal court for all the country residents?

This is a concept which is not practical to implement and every country has their own laws to protect their citizens from scams so if anyone wants to go to the court then it should be their respective country.

This will be a good idea for a gambling cout to exist it will reduce misunderstanding between gamblers and gambling in their differences. There are s lot of accusations in the past that have not been settled which need to be looked into.

What you've asked is already given in the second page and here i will quote for you ,


Those valid question is indeed the most important of this initiative , i truly support the Idea as i have some friends that becomes a victim in the past and there are many more happening now , they have nowhere to go in filing cases .

A good idea but hard to implement. Expect that some personal information will be needed for filing a case. It also needs to be well-funded and I doubt it can monitor all gambling sites. Crypto doesn't have any central authority and you have to understand that. Like anyone is saying here, stick with the well-reputable site for us to minimize being in a big issue dealing with them.

It's the only solution if you want to be at a safer place when you gamble. You can avoid the newer ones because many of them are high risk.

It's not formal if there's going to have an online court and what I've said is just going to be a community that will give us tips on which casinos we should avoid. That's like what we're having right now because if there's a court then there's a higher govern that will decide which is going to be banned, but they can do that? I doubt it.

Yeah, too many crypto casinos now that are reputable and you don't have to be problematic about experiencing a problem. If there is, then that's going to be just minor problems.

Yeah and its hard to get the personal information especially mostly all of online personalities hides their true identity especially those scammers so its hard to sue them so maybe before they implement this maybe they need to regulate first all the online casino since maybe from that they can easily trace the owner if they will execute their scam schemes online. Yeah and its always been advise that we should stick on reputable site since they are tested already.

This is more like calling for a regulated body who over see most of this online gambling platforms and its users because it's becoming alarming the rate at which complaints keep rolling up and most users who intentionally decide to tarnish the reputation of some gambling sites due to their own selfish reason. An online court will do a lot of amends

A regulated body like this online gambling court should be governed from someone and as long as it is governed from someone it is prone to bribery.If this online gambling court is really implemented (which I highly doubt it will ever will) most likely it will do more bad rather than good to online gambling because of that being prone to bribery.Most likely online casinos even if they were scam they would pay the persons or some person running this gambling court and most probably the players would never get back what righteously is their property,i.e Bitcoin or cryptos and would most of the time lose their battle against the casino.

Let me make you an example from our world that we live in,tell me one son or daughter of a leader of a country that have been caught cheating and punished like they should.In some isolated cases they have just been put away from politics like the 200 mln EUROS case in Austria with a politician I don't remember the name now but he just quit from the party and no jail for him.The same happens with this online gambling court,probably one very good idea but impossible to implement as good as the intentions are.

We only need a regulatory body that would promote fair judgment for both gambling sites and their users because, to be honest, there are also lots of accusations without proof. For now, we only need a trusted list of gambling sites so we'll know what to avoid and what to trust. A site with different reviews about different sites because most of us usually check a casino site's reputation.

Don't trust review site that much better to ask the gamblers about their experience on a specific site and do your own research. A regulatory body that has the power to to regulate crypto gambling site, and every participant country should have a representative just like on many international cases, we have representatives. If there's no proof on accusation then of course it can't go to the international court, but I don't think small amount of money is worth it, better to file a case if its enough to compensate the regulatory body.

I remember there are forums to take care of such fraud in forex industry. Here in this forum as well people will try to provide you a resolution if a casino's representative is available here. In my opinion, open discussion based resolution will be appropriate as it will not be misused and there will be no cost to anyone. But, the catch here is, we need to play only on the crypto casinos which are concerning about their reputation on this forum. This is like playing on a licensed casino hence not a hard rule for following.

Simply, choosing a reputed crypto casino that is having their official active topic here will address your concern as if you face any problem then you can open a topic with all details in scam accusation section where this community will investigate based on all the proof you provide to a resolution.

That's severely limited to casinos here though, and most of them are even crypto casinos, online casinos that use fiat aren't included on the list no? Plus it has no legality included. The idea is really nice tbh, but an online court is not something we'd exactly need since it needs a centralized organization around it. It pretty much says that ALL types of casinos should be licensed and registered to that organization so that they can keep track,, and when issues arise, they can then do the court stuff about it. Highly doubt it would be allowed, different countries have different laws about gambling after all.

although this is a good idea but it will be very difficult to form because gambling problems are related to the authorities in each country. but if we want an online gambling court that form, it must be truly fair, and regardless of which country the complainant is from.

Online court?? How would that even operate, who are the people who will be in charge, lawyers?
What would will be okay is to have a panel that controls and regulate gambling company that can be in charge of scam accusation.  If any scam accusation by any gambling company is reported by this panel with a prove. Then this panel will have the right to give charge.

It will be better if there is a organization who will have this in each country, as online gambling widened many scammers became interested to track it. Newbies and those who are not aware in crypto get easily victimized. If there will be a organization tha will focus on it the development and process of it can be much better for users and newbies. It’s normal now that gamblers use online transactions and crypto so it can be a time now to have one.

If we build that one, it will probably take a long time before the court can settle the case, you don't know much about court proceedings don't you? Most court stuff don't finish really quick like in the movies, it takes a lot of paperwork to process one case now if it's an issue with online gambling then with a lot of complainants, we will definitely see things are going to be easily settled unlike what we currently have now in regards to resolving the issue.

Great idea... with loads of flaws!

1. What law has jurisdiction over all casinos?
2. Who will pay the judges that would preside over these court cases?
3. How will these courts get access to casino data? (bet history / proof of fairness etc?)
4. Some casino operators are anonymous. (Example : Wetsuit - Freebitco.in)
5. What will they be charged with and which countries laws are they breaking?

So, answer me these questions and then we can start talking about the other options that might be more effective. (Review sites/Scam accusation threads on this forum/Consumer protection sites)

The concept is good but the problem will be the implementation, will all online casinos agree to be under this so-called accredited court, who are paying these judges of this online court, and what's the guaranty that this online accredited court will not be corrupted, what I mean is how are we going to audit the auditor and what kind of law will they apply, there are so many questions and every answer will be met by doubts.

When it comes to playing online we have to do due diligence on the reputation of the online casino that we're playing and be quick to share if the casino is doing something wrong and let the community judge or render a decision if the casino is still worth playing.

If gambling is legal in your country and the gambling site that you are using is already registered then you have to understand for a fact that you can apply for a case online since most of the times the governmental bodies have online FIR and then you can also publish them and find your solutions if other people had the similar probelms as well. Now a days social media has also become a very powerful platform as well. Most of the companies are able to show their services through how well they support their customers through.

I always prefer:
Playing on already known site with good reputation
Trying out new sites without negative trust who are involved in campaigns

This generally helps and you can also go to their personal thread and see if there are any problems as well.

Things like this seem to be a little inconvenient because indeed every gambler will have different opinions about the sites being discussed because there are indeed some gamblers who will indeed be favored in several sites on the other hand there will be a loss. So, we will not be able to expect much about it.
maybe the better side is that we do things ourselves and don't go directly to gambling but research it first

In my country we've got Mobile courts. Similar to caravan, vehicles were arranged same as court. These mobile courts won't be dealing with major cases. Mostly this court is used to give punishment on driving violation and other penalties for simple mistakes like violation of signal and so on. Other than this we've got cybercrime section, whatever the case we give will never receive any further updates. So, the technology is flawed by man to ease his work and make the people suffer. Same as this, if gambling court is begun for operation, surely it'll go out of usage within specific time frame.

It is a bad idea, if the amount of money is big enough then the case could be judged in a court of law which is the right place to settle those kind of disputes between two sides that both believe they are right, however if the case is small then it is OK for each person to take a look at the case and make their own conclusions about what happened.

This is what happens in this forum, with the difference that we have a set of individuals that have been selected among the community and which their judgment holds more weight, but at the end of the day each person can look at the evidence and agree or disagree with them.

The best to do is to always play at legit casinos, as you stated. However, to file a lawsuit against a gambling platform isn't impossible, especially if you have gathered enough proof against them. The only problem are the costs of filling this lawsuit from the beginning to the end of the case. I believe if there were a friendly lawyer who coincidentally lived in the country where the casino is located, it would make total sense to go ahead on this action. In the end the suitor could just share the indemnity paid by the casino with his lawyer, as previously agreed.

It may be that simple to think but it requires a lot of works and people to totally make it work especially in the internet. A cybercrime may contribute to what should the court would do but this will need a lot of work. Online gambling is everywhere and who's gonna handle each complaints?

I'm sure there are thousands of complaints for a certain online gambling sites but I think it's no different from creating a ticket to ask the support of a certain casino. I highly doubt someone would just make it happen or just let it go and slide since it's a very complicated situation.

That would be helpful but license providers should have a standard rule to follow so there will be a standard implementation of rules. An online court would be beneficial but it's not easy to realize since crypto itself is not yet fully regulated. For now, since we choose to gamble in crypto gambling sites, we have to deal with the risk, if we lose money because we get scammed, we should be ready to move on as recovering it is almost impossible especially if the site is gone.

Yeah, we cannot deny this fact, some bad reviews will warn us to review again the gambling platform, moreover if there are many similar bad reviews with strong evidence. I am sure that we will think several times to use that kind of gambling platform.
Wouldn't it be better to avoid it than fall into it, right?  :D
And yes, gambling is wild enough. Once we cannot manage ourselves, we will fall into bad sides of gambling.'
Once the platform cannot keep the users' trust, reputations, and solve the problems, they will fall into bigger problems with that kind of accusations.
Building and developing a reputation is very difficult, destroying it is very easy.

That' is what I am thinking too it won't be easy  for something like this to take place. I think no need for  a gambling court, some other things can be think of to do than court.

There is no much work needed here because everyone needs transparency and clean services once a system is put in place to check mate gambling sites, its operators and clients then a regulatory body who would ensure all things are properly put in place for sure things would just work out as supposes  the rate at which complaints are going around gambling sites is becoming too alarming

And besides who will give the salary of those people that will form this organization? This idea is great but in reality, hard to implement. One casino alone is hard to handle, what more of these existing online casinos including the fly-by-night casinos. So in the end, you are responsible of where you play. At least make a quick search about the casino, and read the published reviews. If you are not convinced, then try playing small on the site. Nowadays, there are so many options now where to play online.

I don't know if it's just me but I have a reason to believe you create this thread because of some accusation raised about the casino you advertise. Meanwhile, I don't think there's a need for an online gambling court if casinos offer honest services, and the last time I checked Askgambler did something like this but I think for the casino that's listed on their platform.

We truly understand OP's intention. It will serve a good purpose only if things are all easy. But the said proposal is like turning the crypto-gambling into government-owned operations since it's now handling a legal case. We need the cooperation of the government for that to become possible.

Next time, OP needs to be careful when choosing a good platform to avoid those bad and worst experiences in the future. Choose from truly reputable sites as low chance that these sites will be turned into a scam in exchange for the reputation they build for several years. It's hard to attain trust from most users. It's not a thing they can throw away easily.

Yeah its true on which there would be lots of adjustments would really be needed on this one knowing that setting off a court specially online wouldnt really be that simple which simply means that it would really need to be on systematic way and also we do already have cybercrime division which i do see for it to be enough yet its not really necessary nor much required because everything could be included on the scope
of our current courts so i dont see for another division particularly on online cases.

+1 to this.

While being responsible for the safety of our funds, be responsible also to only spend them on trustworthy sites. As a crypto-gambler, we should already know that we are playing anonymous here and once the site fuc*ed us up, it's the end now and there's nothing we can do about it.

But honestly, in some cases, the site is right where they tagged their users as violating their Terms of Service. Since we don't know every side of the story, we can't comment if that site is really honest or just creating an issue for that involved user. In that particular situation, a site representative shall explain all the details of why it ends up banning its users to make it clear at both parties.

No he will not put fire in His own House , because if there is someone who wanted their company to get burned it is not Him.

that's why i see no reason for Him to ask this court because surely His company will be the first to suffer.

If all casino are  having Honest service because if does then this kind of thread need nothing to pop out.

If all people were honest and good, then there would be no need for the police and the courts.

Unfortunately, in the case of online casinos, I do not see the possibility of an online court in the near future.
I think that the solution will be done in a classic way, through legal regulations in the places where the casino is registered and eliminating those that will not comply.

Maybe they can implement the fiat online gambling with the help from the local regulations but I am not sure if they can do that for the online crypto gambling that does not require KYC, which all people are playing gambling anonymously. That will not be easy knowing who is behind on that account in the casino and the casino owner will not come out to the public. So online casino courts will not be easy to implement soon because that will cross the border between two country regulations.

I believe you are in the right community when it comes to concerns about fraud gambling websites.
You wouldn't want to pay thousand of dollars to pay for an online court to investigate your case and that could potentially become one-sided.
This forum has been very effective for resolving cases of scams or fraud. If the gambling website has a bad reputation in this community, most probably it won't come out as most recommended gambling site for everyone.

Online court or physical court, only if that casino in question is operational and licensed in your country then you can drag them to legal procedure. When they are not legally binding to your country then your laws may not restrict or punish them in any means. Similarly, in this community also, if a casino decided not to maintain their reputation here then we cannot do anything about their past scams and for future we can suggest this community to avoid them completely.

I agree this forum must be one of the effective community to provide justice for scam accusation but for a fiat based casino, this forum got nothing to do except marking that casino as a scammy one.

A court is a legal mechanism set up that can enforce laws within a certain jurisdiction. As there are over 250 countries around the world with different laws, what you are suggesting is almost impossible to govern and agreement will never be reached in the way that you want. It might be illegal to play the lottery in one country, but is completely acceptable in many others, if a player from a country where it was illegal felt someone was wrong with the lottery then how would they dispute it? They weren't even meant to be playing in the first place. There are so many legal mismatches and complications that it is completely unrealistic, besides that it would in most cases be a complete waste of money - the figures in dispute are often at such a low amount it would not be worth the resources to pursue a case. Any people who are disputing large amounts are able to do it between countries, it just costs them a lot of money to do so and is also probably not worth it.

In most of the cases it is the user that raises the accusation against the gambling site and most of the times it is the user who is at fault.
I have seen cases where the gambling site was proven guilty but it just gets added to the scam list of sites.
While it does help in preventing more users getting scammed but that particular user doesn't recover from his losses.
I haven't seen any user getting their funds back in such cases where the forum has concluded scam accusation cases.

I just wish most times that a closer look at some accusations made by the complaints be looked into closely before tagging a site a scam gambling sites because as @pawanjain stated gamblers sometimes are at fault and want to pour out their frustration on the gambling site. But the fear now is most of this sites operate without license and gamblers find their side of the story unrealistic

Having an designated international court to handle all online gambling complaints is tremendously difficult due to the compliance of these countries to such regulation.

For example, the International Court of Justice (ICJ, in short) was established to handle complaints in countries who are affected of increasingly high crime rates. Unfortunately, even with the existence of this court, there are still countries who do not recognize their judgement as binding to their countries. Another example would be the United Nations.

Even if some countries do an act which is prohibited by the UN according to its charter, the only regulation that the latter can do is the limiting of their trades (which is what happened in North Korea). But other than that, they cannot totally compel a country to follow their laws.

At the moment it is possible to play in crypto casinos anonymously as cryptocurrencies have not yet been recognized as money. When this happens, they will all have to be regulated, and then they will automatically fall under the laws of the country where they are registered. In my opinion, this is what will happen (sooner or later).

Regulation will somewhat happen into those particular platforms but having as a whole then i dont see for it to be that to be applied in upcoming future.

This anonymous market would really be having that hard thing on tracing up everything which wouldnt really be that relevant into this manner.

But having considerations for each platform to be regulated and known before they could make out some service then its good but it cant be avoided
that there would be some out of the radar.

I know he won't dare to put fire on his own house but I was talking about him trying to find solutions to the casino accusation.

Yes, the OP intention was for a good purpose but when the decentralization of cryptocurrency comes to play it's not acceptable to turn crypto gambling into a government owned operation that will serve as an online gambling court.
The gambler should do sufficient research about a gambling site before using it.

I do not think what you are using for your gambling is a concern here. If a casino is licensed and binding to a law of governments then they are answerable regardless of your payment method: it could be fiat or crypto or anything; still casino must clear their stand by proving their no involvement of any malfunctioning or any of breaching of mutually agreed terms and conditions.

I agree that we must go for only reputed gambling sites to play to avoid all kind of fraudulent activities. But, if you notice only gamblers are trying to scam online casinos compared to cases of scammy houses (I may be wrong but usually online casinos are more prone to be misused by its gamblers itself).

It's not completely anonymous or decentralized because most casinos now that are operating are registered, which means the regulators know the owners of the site and they can go after them if they break the terms in the license issued to them. Therefore, it's still helpful if the government will intervene to protect gamblers from scam gambling sites.

Most governments around the world have strict regulations on gambling and that is the. A major reason why most of the gambling sites will prefer to stay anonymous in other to avert the policy that government will bring against them.

The government can apply regulation in crypto casinos, but not all of the casinos will get regulated. In this matter, there is a chance to decentralized casinos that will still be a place for anonymous gamblers who play gambling without verification. Actually, it is a chance for decentralized casinos to always be online in the middle of the regulations from the government because they do not have to follow the rule to ask their members to do KYC. Well, their members can verify KYC but only for the player who wins so much money and the casino will not ask KYC for players who win below their limit.

Certainly a noble suggestion but I’m not sure anything like this could actually be set up. I feel they are currently ran the way they are, overall, in a way that benefits each outlet to the extent of the law that benefits all parties. I’m not sure if what I’m trying to get across makes sense here, but I just don’t see enough stink being able to be put up to make change happening.

This wont happen especially if not all companies agrees on the terms and since cryptocurrency is still not legal, many countries wont participate on this if ever, there will be no international court to discuss this matter, its impossible for now. Well, if regulatory body will be created in the future that will be supported by many countries, I'm sure crypto gambling can also be included on their scope of regulation but this wont happen not until they recognize crypto as a legal tender.

In my opinion, it is not online arbitration that is very useful, but a professional self-regulatory organization.  

Such non-profit organizations are created in various fields of professional activity.  For example, in the construction industry, in the field of auditing, in the field of insurance, etc.  

Online casinos can also create such a self-regulatory professional organization.  Who but online casinos are experts in the field of gambling?  There is a need to resolve disputes between gamblers and casinos.  This suggests that there is a need to develop professional industry standards.  There is also a need to enforce compliance with these standards.  

This can be done by self-regulatory professional organizations.

Such an organization can also perform the functions of an arbitral tribunal.

The said organization needs to be approved by the various countries and each of their actions and activities should be as transparent as possible. Only then would it function as a proper one that could manage and be the middle man between users and the industry that they are handling. Then again, I hardly doubt it could happen, especially when it comes to gambling. Many countries have varying views about gambling, after all, and having a central organization that manages them would probably have a lot of conflicts.

Agreed.

Certainly not feasible as a long term solution.

It takes money and resources to keep a court up and running and it requires all the major operators to buy into this thing. Otherwise, it's just going to look like a foolish exercise given that no one will respect its decisions.

But the main reason why they are hiding is not totally the government policy but the chance of becoming scammer in the future, after gaining many players and supporters then they will attack the players by holding or banning their accounts when withdrawal takes place .
we have seen so many casino in the past and until not that has this attitude.
i will not mention one but it is obvious if we will go through scam accusation board and even in gambling section in which the victims continues crying in their respective ANN thread .

Not only the costs of regulation would be the problem but the jurisdiction of these courts must be adhered by the parties in question. Like what I previously mentioned, the power of these courts can only be recognized if countries signed to be bound as such. If a country ignores this, then this would render its effect somehow useless.

Like what was also mentioned, this is a noble idea in which it contained pure and innocent intentions but the implementation of this is just impossible for the time being. I just hope that there would be another solution which can be compromised from this idea.

This is the correct answer, people underestimate how expensive a lawsuit can become and it is obvious that almost any casino can get better lawyers than what the player can hire, so it is going to be very difficult to win the demand, and even if you do, the costs are going to be greater than what you get out of it, so doing something like what the creator of the thread suggest is simply not a good idea even if such a court could be created, something that I sincerely doubt.

@stadus You need to understand that everything that has an advantage will also have disadvantages. What you said against what cryptocurrency introduced and the last time I checked askgamblers has handled a lot of crypto gambling issue that has to do with payment. But in a situation when users need to be conscious, it is better to go for a reputable casino we have on this forum.

@Fredomago only some of the newbies won't understand that some casinos have gone from good to bad but the major reason why some casino hide their identity was not the intention of scamming their users though it is not possible there won't be some casino who will abuse the decentralization and anonymity benefit.

The forum community can only influence those gambling sites that have a thread of announcements on this forum. Most of the casinos that engage in scams do not have their threads here so they are not afraid to lose their reputation. Of course there are many forums gambling theme which also publishes warning information about scams but not all of us pay due attention.

Having ANN threads doesnt automatically means that the site is legit but somehow the community could able to to identify or notice it out if a particular gambling site is a potential scam or a legit one thats why its really good to look on community feedback first and i dont really see this to be a big or major problem yet it doesnt really cost an arm and leg for you to find out these valuable infos.
As a gambler then we should really be responsible on doing that because we dont able to get scammed if you are aware of everything.

I understand very well how the Default Trust system works. If there is enough evidence on the forum that the platform is engaged in fraud, then its forum account will get negative feedback, which will significantly reduce attendance. This works as opposed to litigation when the platform is out of the jurisdiction of the defrauded user or their country has no laws regulating cryptocurrency activity.

Certainly some casinos remain anonymous, but I think that over time most of them will have to be regulated by the countries in which they are registered.
Then everyone (actually now too) will have a choice as to whether they want to do KYC verification and play safely while protected by the law, or play anonymously, but have the risk that the casino is not fair.

Online casino gambling courts are also unlikely to be the solution. It would be very difficult and limited access to conduct physical investigations. In addition to limited legal jurisdiction, of course the listed rules that have been mutually agreed upon between the casino and gamblers are agreements that have been accepted by both parties from the start. especially the gamblers who are prepared for the risks they accept. No court would accept an offer like this just the case couldn't be proven if the casinos themselves had more courts they paid to get operations running under government protection.

It's not about being anonymous, most of the good casinos actually have their identity and they're registered somewhere. So if you're someone who likes to play with those casinos that are still staying to be anonymous, you should stay with the others that have their reputation and don't cover anything because they're registered. If the governments are strict then that's even a reason to be registered for them and not to stay anonymous because it's part of protecting their business.

Yeah, exactly.

The intentions are great but pragmatically this is never going to happen.

I recall that there was a thing called the Crypto Gambling Foundation before that tried to serve as an arbitrator, but I think that their site doesn't work now. Anyone know what happened to them?

So there would be no other options or something for you to be done as a user who get victimized which is really unfortunate since you wouldnt really be having any options but to move on which its not really bad on having some online court or something but just like on what others been saying or claiming then this is something a bit complicated
on arranging thing because we do actually have some several division in concern with online frauds.

Well I agree with your point here, anonymous gambling casinos and don't have a license will most likely make fraud someday because they are not regulated in any by the government, so they are free of what they are going to do because no one watching them --is this want they want?
 gambling casino that has a license + regulated by the government are usually fearful of committing fraud because they know that they can hunt down once they have shady activities.

Unfortunately yes, there's no option if the user got a victim. That's why as others also said, don't play in a gambling site that is not trustworthy and just select those legitimate. I'm surprised that sometimes, I will see a user here that will post they got scammed but when we check the site they are complaining at, we don't know how the hell they discovered that site that's not even mentioned even once here in the forum.

maybe they got an invitation from their email, social media ads or their friends to join the gambling site because we know it's impossible for someone to know the gambling site by themselves.  i tried to refuse many gambling sites that even called me to join their site even via telephone.  Be careful before making a deposit, all gambling players must do it if they don't want bad luck, their money can't be withdrawn.

Your rights are undeniable and if a casino is violating your rights under the concept of a ToS, you should file a lawsuit but as some post above explains, suing a casino for 4 figures is not profitable.

And in general, even in other figures, it is still not available to everyone, but regardless of whether the casino is online or in person to exercise our right to demand a special court is not necessary, just look for a lawyer and proceed.

The lawsuits certainly not only come from the players if it is the case comes from the casinos against the players, the reason a lot of money between the parties, as said is the key, so sometimes the question is also to defend themselves.

^{Source:https://www.casino.org/news/mohegan-sun-pulls-bank-draft-lawsuit-vs-ottawa-senators-melnyk/}


Another case but this time it is the player against the casino:

Poker Pro Sues Atlantic City Casino For $1.25 Million Over Lifetime Ban
^{Source:https://www.cardplayer.com/poker-news/26079-poker-pro-sues-atlantic-city-casino-for-1-25-million-over-lifetime-ban}

Then having claims in amounts of only thousands of dollars, sometimes even only a few hundred, the reputation of a casino can be affected, so all is not lost if the case presented is honest, spaces like the one offered by the forum sometimes help expose these arbitrariness or "misunderstandings".

I Have been thinking of this as well because there are casinos that faking the  starting of their advertising , pretending to be legit and most trusted but sooner will end up being scam.
actually there are still advertising now but a total scam inside.
in their own thread multiple or dozens of posts from victims yet continues to advertised here and pretending there is nothing going on.
so Court should be in the move but the problem is how and what is the resources for this to get in action .

Those people see the advertisement about gambling from many websites, especially on their social media, which makes them curious about the website and visit it someday. Once they feel exciting playing gambling, they will search for other gambling websites and continue playing gambling. But unfortunately, they do not research furthermore about the reputations and other things so many of them are getting a scam from the website. Once they get a scam, it will be difficult to search for justice because the site will check everything and ensure they do not abuse the system. But the reputable gambling site will refund the money to the member.

and we had so many in this forum , never engaged in gambling site that is just newly promoted , let them stablished their site first before dealing.
Mostly those legit are being advertised here , specially those who we are wearing lol.
it takes years before gaining this reputation so yes some are more longer some are just years but the response of the players is proven to be legitimate and trustworthy .

I wonder how many responsible courts/judges will be able to stand to judge such cases. It would seem like they are promoting gambling. I think the good ones will most likely find Betting Court more appealing or appropriate.

Yes, some casinos pretended to be a good gambling site and later scammed their users but understand that "a clever arrangement of bad eggs will never make a good omelet" which there will still be an open back door that will show there's something fishy about the gambling site that's if make adequate research before using the casino.

That’s why it’s not advisable to left money in your account when you do gambling. It can be done for the trusted one’s but not on the casino we barely know or unheard. I prefers to visit only sites that are popular here in forum or if I see some casino ads somewhere its a must to check here whether they have pending problems or scam accusation. This forum can really help in terms of choosing casino as well detecting casinos issues that may not be able to resolve even there is a gambling court assigned in a country for crypto.

Using gambling sites that have their own threads on bitcointalk is an additional factor to minimize the situation when a user is exposed to fraud. The main thing is not to forget to watch the reviews of the account from which the thread is posted.

The only problem is that not all gambling sites allow citizens of my country to play. That's why I never deposit any funds that I am not ready to lose.   

Whenever you do make out deposits on various gambling sites even dealing with some legit or known ones then consider those funds to be already lost
as it should be but on the means on playing fair and safe rather than dealing with things which do end up on being fraud or scam.It would be just sensibe that you would really be making out some research first before making such step on depositing and also it isnt really requiring too much
effort for you to do so yet its better to be safe than sorry.