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How is China playing this?

a) Observing carefully as how the West is playing this crisis, how far they are willing to go when China invades Taiwan Russia invades Ukraine. How powerful is the response, how far is the West willing to go.

b) Keeping a distance from both sides, but not "the same distance" from both sides:




As you can see, China is nothing but happy about this, as they are watching two potential enemies erode themselves and testing their strength. Lots of lessons will be learnt on the handling of this crisis and I would not say that Europe and Democracies are playing a great role in terms of intimidation, yet at least is managing to stay reasonably united.

Yea, not hard to understand China's brain. But hard to realize the role and when they will play on the field. So far China will never support those supported by the US. This is basic logic, which means China supports Russia. More importantly, China always looks from where they could take advantage and they just follow their own strategy. However, the war wasn't expected and seems Russians do not intend to leave Ukraine. The war will be more dangerous if the US interferes there. Let's hope to stop the war.

     I agree with you! China is so lucky and must be very happy to see this hapoen because not only does it affects its potential enemies as you've said, it also gives china a strategic advantage through studying the moves of the parties involved which will help them create good olans ahead of time for their purposes since we all know how china wants to take over not just Taiwan but other territories as well. China may also use this opportunity to enhance its influence depending on how it would act towards these issues/scenarios that are happening. Who knows, China may even gain another ally or enemy.

China is an ally to Russia so basically, Russia is doing them the favor and is really just waiting for any signal to whatever they're up to. As for economic sanctions, Russia has already taken the consequence while if it's for China. I doubt it that the US and its allies can put sanction to China.
With the last news I've seen about China and Taiwan, China's airforce have been rotating on the sides of Taiwan and they're also likely to get on them at any moment.

Russia and China are allies even Russia may receives sanction China for sure will be there to help. I don’t think China will ever received sanctions look what happened in Hongkong before despite what happened in Hongkong and Taiwan theres no news of sactions said to happen in them. China is just carefully watching on how other countries will react to Putin's's Decision of war. Hopefully this war in Ukraine and Taiwan will stop already as it affects not just the innocent people but also the stocks and crypto markets.

There is no strategy they are simply happy about all the destructions on both sides but there is no wonder if they goes by the side of Russia if US started some army help to Ukraine. But somewhere in the corner has no relation with both the countries also is getting affected due to financial crisis.

I agree with you that they are pleased that these two powerful countries are pitted against one another, but I believe that if this were to happen, the Russians would do something to solicit Chinese assistance. However, as you can see, it is completely ineffective because we are all affected, and millions or billions of dollars have been lost solely as a result of this war, and people are suffering not only in that country but throughout the world, as evidenced by the rise in the price of oil, food, and other commodities. I'm hoping that this will be over as soon as possible.

Surely it will be more dangerous if either China or US begins to play visible and irrational  role in the fight. See how it will play out if any of them begin to interfere.

For example if China comes in, obviously supporting Russia then US will go after China. Apart from there differences in trade, US still have the feeling that the covid-19 pandemic was intentional and originating from China and so would see this as an opportunity to make a statement on China.

Another scene is if US comes out irrationally against Russia, Russia will directly start attacking on US. Yes, Let's hope to stop the war.

isn't the war just between Ukraine and Russia? 
there is no West. Ukraine just a few hours declared Martial law, no troops will be there but the Ukrainian military. something is wrong in that situation. really.

China's role is just to sit back and watch the theater, the West also sits back because these two Ukraine and Russia are their dogs.

This heated conflict if left unchecked will surely trigger a world war.  However, the role of the UN Security Council is needed in resolving and neutralizing the situation.  In any case the war will not benefit anyone, here I am only wary of the western side's intervention to cause an even bigger war.  The west and east blocs must be in a very tense state.

In my opinion, these two big countries (Russia and China) are countries that have the same goal. It's almost like wanting to bend the shoulders of the US so that it can't move when these 2 countries become ideal partners. Freeze the economy with great power. There is no denying that China's position is behind Russia. And vice versa when China wants to invade Japan and Taiwan. So sending mutual aid between China and Russia has proven that the 2 powers are attacking the US indirectly. US relations cannot be separated from Japan and Taiwan, which were deliberately provoked by Russia and China themselves.

China is perfect catalyst who made them go viral like this. China is literally poking Russia from behind with far distance and they not gonna stop here. Somehow I’m thinking since the injection of corona virus into the world till today’s initiation of Russia Ukraine war; china is playing some game here.

Something suspicious is going on. Don’t know may be a vast planning since few years from China side.

First they take down the crypto mining, block the electricity supply to mining farms, slowly diverting the whole suspicion to something bad. Man, don’t know what’s gonna happen, but got gut feeling something is bad.

China is surely playing safe as of the moment. I think they will join the conflict once US joined the party which could lead to total catastrophe. They will surely start at disputed territorial waters in South China sea and bully its way to have those unexplored oils there. They are watching the situation closely and once US sends troops, I think that would be the time that they will move as well.

Yes, they're like sworn brothers so even if Russia receives an economic sanction. Their brother is at the top of the chain now in terms of economy and power.
China is the bully and likely the most powerful and that's why whichever country they're in, no one seems to stop them. So, for these countries that are being bullied by them, their main choice is to be friendly to them.

China is definitely trying to master the art of playing two sides. I think you are overlooking and have purposefully ignored the fact that China said the territorial integrity of Ukraine should not be violated and that they want peace. Even if it is only lip-service, they clearly had no qualms about talking badly about the Russian actions. War is bad for business and China is not as rich as they might want - this has the potential to drag the global economy down the toilet. Russia's actions have little benefit for China and Russia has little to offer China economically - most of their income comes from selling to the West. Russia is simply a partner of convenience and if China ever got to a position where they could neutralize Russian nuclear weapons, then they would invade and take over Russian land in a second. Ironically in the future it might be Russia that needs the support of the EU and the USA to defend their land from invasion from the biggest population in the world who are growing increasingly abrasive.

Well its one of the art of war though "the enemy of my enemy is my friend" so yeah China will be enjoying all of this but depending on how Biden will response on this because Biden now hold the main button for a potential world war 3. If biden decided to strike hard then China as well North Korea (potentially) will have a reason on joining this war thus making the other member of NATO to join as well

Ukraine will be taking devastating effect depending on how this goes but both party are wrong in this case. Both Biden and Putin are just sly old dogs that wants to go to war (and invade Ukraine) for their own personal reasons

China and Russia is basically the same nation. You may see a few differences in them, you could point out how there are small differences you think that are big. But the reality is that they are both nations with powerful army, powerful economy (or at least powerful against the nations they attack) and how no big nation will do anything against them but put sanctions against them.

China could take all of Hong Kong and Vietnam under their nation, like fully, and nobody will do anything about it. Hell I am sure China could much worse, and yet nobody will do anything about it. You think Russia will stop with Ukraine? They saw that nothing will be done so they could do anything they want.

China is the ideological ally of Russia and even though it is not going to take sides in an arms conflict, internally we all know it is going to support Russia, in Global geopolitics if you want to compete against the USA, Russia, and China have to stay together at least for next 30-40 years until China becomes a superpower equivalent to the west. Secondly as you mentioned supporting Russia's cause is going to be rewarding for China as well, because if Russia can do this to Ukraine, China can also do the same to Taiwan and it's other regions and west would be just a mute spectator just like they would be in this case.

You get yours while I get mine.
Then, time to think about our own borders since....

https://talkimg.com/images/2023/06/12/AKR9f.jpeg (https://talkimg.com/images/2023/06/12/AKR9f.jpeg)

See that green territory in the northeast and the Shakalin Islands?   ;)

China needs Russia till it fills its own ambitions near its own borders, but it also needs the EU and the US for its economy, EU and US dropping in purchasing power means fewer products sold, fewer workers back home, so if things go out of hand Xi will suddenly change his tone about this. Till now they wait and see, unlike others, they have time for it.


Hong Kong was returned to China by the UK in 1997, probably you're thinking about Taiwan.
As for Vietnam, it's probably the last thing China wants to invade in Asia, probably less than even Japan itself, attacking a fellow communist country, after all, that happened there is something no propaganda machine could wash clean.

To understand what China is going to do we do not need to predict anything special about this country, since China and USA are competitors in many fields such as economic fields and the USA is on Ukraine's side and China prefer to see Russia damaging nato countries including the USA they will surely support Russia in this war and that's not very surprising about China because they also want to see other countries fighting together while they can do economic development and this war will make the countries produce demand more supplies and China will be sure happy about this situation. So in this theory, I guess China is happy about this war and they will support Russia as well.

This is the thing that should not be happening, let us hope for the best. If ever the west decided to get on board and strikes, we should also be ready our selves. Make sure that your own country's leader is ready because anytime soon, another new Axis and Allied countries will be born and should consider where will your leader will join. I am living on Philippines and our President is in good terms with China and Russia, but in bad terms with the US, I don't know for sure where he will party himself up if ever WW3 will come but we are seeing an obvious one. Diplomacy should be the first to solve the issues right now and not fueling by other countries like USA.

 Chinese politicians already talked about how "Taiwan is not Ukraine". As in they are basically saying that Taiwan is already part of their nation, sure it has its own president and all but we are talking about being a de facto tied nation, sort of like hong kong as well, maybe similar or maybe different but overall Chinese. I am guessing that if Europe and the USA did absolutely nothing to help Ukraine, then they will certainly not do anything about Taiwan. I guarantee you %100 that if China decided to bomb and occupy and completely took over Taiwan tomorrow, they could and nobody would say a thing about it. We are living in a weird age that is for sure, I hope that these big nations do not see this act of cowardice from other big nations and start taking lands from each other like this is the 13th century, we need to stop wars, we have enough communication all around the world to stop these and save lives.

Maybe since Russia and China is ally after all but this war should not happen since we saw it already in the past how bad it was in a city with full of people struggling to survive each day. Where do you think they would go if conflict continue in their country? I've seen enough bloods and damages in the past yet they can't settle this in a civil manner.

I think I am more concerned with North Korea in this scenario... because the North Korean leader, Kim Jong Un (dubbed Rocket Man) are watching the Western response to this with a hawk eye.  ::)  We know that Rocket Man has the same idea ...so the Western response to this invasion ..will determine what he does in the future.

If the West use silent diplomacy to intervene in the Ukraine and Russia war.. Kim Jong Un will see that as an opportunity to launch his own offensive. (They know that the West are basically bankrupt and that they cannot afford to fight on two fronts and also risk that China might get involved in either of these conflicts)  ::)

isnt that guy a renewed person that made peace with south?

if he suddenly become hostile to unite with south. its his way. but its in his mind to conquer south when NATO is busy.

China has already announced that Taiwan has always been part of China and therefore it would not be an invasion if the Chinese military were to invade Taiwan.
One must not compare China and Russia. China is much more dependent on the world economy than Russia. Therefore, China will not take this as a blueprint, but will look for other ways.

I am sure you can find some parallelisms between the arguments of Putin about the republics in Donbass being independent, thus he is just helping some of his friends and neighbours with Chinas rhetoric about Taiwan being part of China, despite the people of Taiwan obviously NOT wanting to be part of China, just as people in Ukraine do not want Putin "demilitarising" their country.

I think  China it does what it does best since 80s; copying, lowering costs and producing.

Since when is China not in a military conflict? China now produces trade wars, that is where it is good, it is not that it does not have a way to fight a traditional war, but it understands that waging trade wars benefits it more, it has become a world potential to trade wars.

China just are surely making Ukrainian and Russian toy tanks, and one or another figure of Putin, visit ebay or alibaba for details and ah! amazon too.

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Option a) and option b) are pretty much the same thing. China will observe and then decide if they can chew Taiwan or not.If they realize that NATO is a paper tiger, they'll go invade Taiwan without any second thoughts. So far NATO acts like a paper tiger so I feel like China is already making  plans to invade Taiwan.

The reason why Ukraine has become so close to NATO that it has caused Russia to go on a rampage cannot be separated from Joe Biden's behind-the-scenes intervention as US president and his son's energy business being there.  China itself is not entirely happy, however the condition of bilateral relations between China and Russia will definitely be in this war directly, which is even more pleasing to the US because they are the ones who pit the two countries against each other even though they are still in the same family and are brothers.  The Ukrainian president did not act wisely in bringing himself closer to NATO, regardless of economic and other matters.  The point is never to take sides, because he is flanked by 2 blocks that are very heavy in history.

China has a lot of reasons to go and invade Taiwan right now. The West is busy with Russia and they cannot afford to handle to fronts at the same time, and even if they could, it would be costly and I don't think they would want to empty their pockets on this one alone, especially if the benefits in the end isn't that great from them. Russia will have to fight the Ukrainians, which are showing extreme resilience and are being supplied with weapons and funded by NATO. Zelenskyy's also good at boosting the morale of the civilian fighters and his soldiers with the way he handles the crisis.

That would be unwise of them if they do it right now. It's not that different from adding more fuel to the fire.

I agree with paxmao that they are an observer while trying to pacify the situation. Xi Jinping has been encouraging Putin to hold talks with the Ukraine delegates while condemning any sanctions against Russia.

China is supporting Russia in this encounter and they are the biggest importers of oil and natural resources from Russia and they have a good relationship, even today during United Nations Security Council China, India and the United Arab Emirates were absent from voting against Russia.

I am not sure whether China is having any other motive but one thing is clear is that US will talk a big game plan if Russia is to invade and yet they will not do anything. To be frank i never expected this invasion and how this will end is to be seen.

China will trade with Russia no matter what, China lacks oil and Russia has an excess of it so they are suited as trading partners from the start.  Even with this currently talked about Swift ban, China can swap gold for oil (China is the worlds largest producer of gold now and accumulated reserves for over a decade, Russia also wants to retain its gold as an alternative to USD) though it might be more awkward in a physical way to do this then the electronic means normally done.

Though the Foreign Ministry official of China released their statement towards this Russia-Ukraine war, and seemed not happy about Russia's move, we don't know exactly what they are thinking about this whole scenario. Remember, China wants Taiwan under their control. So it is somewhat the same with Russia wants Ukraine under their control. And some are speculating that China will wage war over Taiwan if they don't get what they want. As they are observer right now, they are monitoring on how the West will react to this war. As of now, they are in standby-mode but high likely that their military is also prepared for what may possibly happen.

I think China sees the currently situation as an experiment to test how further the west is wiling to go to defend an allied country and to stop the advancement of the eastern forces. China is playing more strategical and Russia more warlike through the physical strength. Nevertheless, of course both countries are together and support each other even though China isn't explicitly or formally endorsing the invasion of Ukraine.

If China concludes western forces are weak or give weak responses to the attacks, it's possible their morale will be raised and they may feel inspired to invade Taiwan as well.

But it's everything so unclear and uncertain right now... What at same time is a good thing, as the scenario also doesn't look favourable for those who have desires for invading sovereign nations around them.

Currently Ukraine is not an official member of Nato, I don't think the US and the West will be deeply involved in war. This does not provide any benefit. If they join the war, the other side of the Chinese front will make strong moves towards Taiwan. That makes them unable to manage. Taiwan is an important strategic part of the US and NATO in Asia. They will not risk saving Ukraine so that Taiwan falls to China.

China is observing the situation and predicting what west will do if they try to occupy Taiwan. But i do not think china would do that. Taiwan is far more superior than Ukraine over technology and Taiwan is far more important for USA than Ukraine. On the other hand china can not allow Russia to lose this war because this will give USA an unchallenged power over the world and they will get back their images they lost in afghan war.

I would guess that the president of Ukraine getting 70%+ vote by promising to join Nato and EU was WAY before Biden became president. If you really think that it was Biden that started all of this then you were brainwashed by Eurasian media as well.

Zelensky promised to join Nato and EU before he became a president, that was literally the platform he ran on and people voted for him because they wanted to join EU as well, and that is how he became the president and this was during Trump, Biden wasn't even elected. Then Ukraine officially declared they want to join and only thing Biden could be guilty of would be saying they are fine with Ukraine joining and Russia should back off.

Not like Ukraine had no intention at all and then suddenly Biden said they should, this isn't a situation like that. Russia is the ONLY guilty party here, nobody else, anyone else trying to find a guilty person would be siding with Russia from here on out in my view.

Yeh, I think China would be wiser and closely monitor the situation and the outcome of the war between Russia and Ukraine before taking a purposeful action against Taiwan.  Ideally, I think that Russia and China have a consensus on the political issue in terms of their "independence".  So, I think the world needs to tackle Putin thoroughly with solidarity and alliance to unite additional sanctions.  The end result will mark a new cold war era and the respectful world order needs to be taken seriously.
The next most interesting and craziest thing about Putin is the statement “putting nuclear weapons on alert and ready” Lol.  Will this create a reverse reaction to the new extreme” damn
Will China continue to "silence" before Russia's claims?  It is also very suspicious

I don't think China will follow b.) remain neutral and just observe. Russia is an ally of China, and China has been in a currency war with USA for years now. So if they have the chance to weaken the west they will do so. First of all I would expect China to block any major resolutions against Russia in the UN. Another step for China could be to directly support Russian. Russian banks will be blocked from Swift and they have no more access to western refinancing markets. China could use this opportunity to give out loans to Russia at high interest rates. In the end China will follow the path that strengthen their own position and not what is best for humanity. This is also why USA doesn't want to get involved to deeply in Ukraine, because their main concern these days is China and not Russia anymore.

I confirm the condition of the President of Ukraine's alignment with NATO and the EU long before Biden became president, but you cannot deny that the close relationship between the President of Ukraine and Biden is related to an energy business.  Since Trump's time, he has asked the President of Ukraine to summon Biden's son regarding his business matters.  Is it possible that the political lobby always has us someone in office?  I do not condone Russia's actions, but Ukraine must be wise in responding to its country's geopolitical conditions, which indeed cannot ignore the existence of Russia with its strongest army, let alone being a compatriot.

I disagree. You are over-estimating China and under-estimating Russia. US doesn't want to get involved just like many other countries because it could start WW3 which is detrimental to the entire world.

Putin already kept nukes on standby which goes to show that he isn't bothered about the fact that his actions could start WW3.

USA's main concern isn't China or Russia rather it's about the conflict that it will produce once they provided assistance to the latter. What do you think will happen once USA helps Ukraine at this time? Just as Haunebu said, it could trigger a much larger conflict such as World War III.
As long as, no other countries or government will be involved between the two countries, things will stay the same.

The Chinese government will watch from the sidelines as Russia economy weakens, thanks to the war and international sanctions. I think they will get some preferences, although I do not rule out that China will also join international sanctions in certain areas of the economy.

After ten years of rapid development, China is no longer the China of the past, but many people do not know much about the China of today.
Neutrality is the philosophy that China has always adhered to. If others don't provoke me, I will not provoke others, but I am asking a question. If Ukraine defeats Russia, will China feel a sense of crisis?

I do not think that it would trigger something like ww3 if they help with humanitarian stuff. Like if they send food and clothes and when the war is over maybe help with rebuilding and all of that? That wouldn't cause anything, it is the human thing to do and it is what Ukraine needs as well.

I mean sure Ukraine needs war planes and other stuff as well, giving them tanks and ammonization and armor and so forth would be lovely for them right now, but that doesn't mean that food and clothes and heating systems and energy and so forth is not wanted neither, they need everything they can right now and if USA supplied survival stuff then it would be fine. It is the defensive system stuff that would be risky.

China has maintained good diplomatic relationship with both Russia and Ukraine. And both countries are big trading partner of China. I believe majority of people in China doesnt support war. So peace between the two countries is in China's best interest. At this moment the best solution for Russia and Ukraine to maintain negotation, and hopefully this war gonna end soon.

China can and will trade with Russia freely and I am pretty damn positive NATO won't lift a finger against China. The problem is the west can't even afford to sanction China. Yes they half-ass sanctioned Russia (the west is still taking Russia's biggest export which is oil&gas) but they won't even do half of that to China.

People say the west is not doing enough against Russia, we will see what they will do when China invades Taiwan. I'll give you a hint. They will do nothing. Nothing. They will ignore China completely.

I, as soon as there is talk of a possible all-out war leading to nuclear cataclysm, believe that China somehow or other is not going to allow it. It is a few years away from surpassing the USA as the most powerful economy, I don't think it will allow everything to go to shit because of a crazy ally. That said, it can't control Putin 100 percent either. Some sources say China asked Russia to delay the invasion until after the Olympics and Putin paid no attention to them, although China has denied it.

In any case it is clear that Russia is an ally of China and USA, I wouldn't say that as of today it is an enemy but a competitor. I think it is in China's interest that the conflict does not escalate further, perhaps dividing Ukraine so that they can continue with their plans to take over half the world.

That assumes that China and its leader is not as crazy as Putin but you are wrong. I mean just in the past decade, china has "attacked" Hong Kong for wanting freedom, attacked Taiwan for the same reason and if I did not hear wrong, they even had some arguments with India as well about a land too. So, China does exactly what we are seeing from Russia. China is further away from Europe so they are not doing it to European land. But they are still doing it in Asia.

If anyone understands what Putin is doing, that is Xi, because he does the same thing to his neighbors as well. Sure they would want economical warfare over real one, but Putin lost a ton of money to his people because of his decisions as well, so sometimes these crazy leaders do not care about economy and just attack to get what they want.

Regarding events in Russia and Ukraine, it is no different from China and Taiwan. During the war between Russia and Ukraine, many major powers chose to sanction Russia. China remains neutral and chooses to continue trade with Russia, but wants the war to end as soon as possible. NATO doesn't really help Ukraine much.

I remember an interview on an American TV show and the question was what is the best way to want world peace?
The host stood in front of the world map and threw the part that belonged to the United States in the trash.
The host is American...

China and Russia have always maintained close ties. The Chinese team is closely watching the war, but has no intention of participating in it. However, China's position is on Russia's side. Russia did not want to be shaken by NATO to its own country, so it took the initiative to resist.

According to Ukraine and Russia, you can think of China and Taiwan, Ukraine and Taiwan are all involved with the United States, but the battlefield is bloody after all, Russia is not provoking the war for no reason, but the various media I have seen are sanctioning what Russia has done. , there is no real solution to Russia's problems. Ukraine's entry into NATO has broken Russia's bottom line. Russia can only solve the problem in an uncivilized way.

China is going to watch both sides and take every opportunity to make a profit, no matter how inhumane. China has never done anything out of morality, so I would not expect them to start shedding tears over dead ukrainian children. But then again, these notions of mine come from a historical view of what China has been doing the past years and how opportunistic their actions have been.

In fact, if Russia wins this war, they will be on the Russians side. If they lose, they probably will make it seem like they were against Russia the whole time.

No point in saying I do not trust China.

Hope I am wrong.

Or vice versa, China sees potential in Russia that will give him an advantage. Russia is already isolated from the world economy but they still need connections and China the answer, Sanctions for Russia benefits For China, and the most defeated of this war is Russia.
https://www.foxbusiness.com/economy/russian-banks-turn-china-sidestep-cutoff-payments-systems

China has always played a big role and if Russia wins then the opportunity for China is greater to do the same to a country they consider an enemy.

If I relate your words Chinese strategy with what was said by Former FBI: China is 'big winner' of Russia-Ukraine war, former FBI agent who worked in China warns (https://www.google.com/amp/s/news.yahoo.com/amphtml/china-apos-big-winner-apos-124032843.html), this is really annoying, again china is taking advantage of the suffering and economy of Russia and Ukraine.

Now I realize that behind the sanctions, the decline in the ruble and the war between Russia and Ukraine was planned by China, to overthrow the United States as the leader of the global economy, as the FBI says.

I can't understand why it is only now that America, including the world, is only now realizing what I have quoted below, what is it called, that politics is cruel.

Sadly, politics took its toll on both Russia and Ukraine, the FBI is only now revealing that behind all this is China, the worst disaster for Europe.

Yes, it is really known that China and Russia are allies. Although it was denied by China and said they are not allies, but partners and they cleared the speculations about them getting involved saying it is unlikely to happen. However, China is said to be lurking and watching over Taiwan these past few days. I really do hope so that they won't stir another commotion because Russia's invasion is already too much to handle. China is definitely watching and observing from afar regarding the next moves they would do. From the looks of it, I'm betting they won't do anything that would negatively affect them as of the moment because they have seen how countries in most parts of the world given Russia a sanction. I just really wish leaders won't be as coward and greedy. It just becomes so chaotic whenever people aspire for more and more power when they have more than enough.

I had a discussion with someone who is affiliated in the politics in our country. He extensively explained that during the arbitration between China and the Philippines over the Spratly Islands, China was never considering on going to war, although they released and stationed their troops on the islands they "claimed" to be theirs. Like what happened between Vietnam and China, though the latter attempted to "claim" that some of the islands were theirs, the former started releasing soldiers against China in which the latter failed to retaliate.

Again, China will always be there on the backlines observing the spoils of war. They fully understand that almost every country needs them since they are this economic and labor powerhouse where almost 90% of our household things are made.

I can understand about this almost 90% of our household are China made.
Just look at the tags of every equipment, gadget or basically anything you can hold, and yes, it is Made in China.
With the ongoing war, they are just observing, but they are happy as Russian financial system has nowhere to go but use China's payment system.
And considering what may happen, China will gain from this war, economically. So they won't sanction Russia for any of this.
They may even get techniques on how to invade Taiwan, though they are pledging to peacefully resolve the Taiwan subject.

https://news.sky.com/story/china-pledges-peaceful-growth-in-relations-with-taiwan-and-reunification-12557918

That is not a brand new strategy neither. "Helping" nations that need help and then taking advantage of their future recovery is something economists have done for a very very long time. Think about it like a company, there is a company that does well, but they created too much debt that they can't get out right now, you pay their debts off and get 10% of the company, now for the next 50 years you are going to profit from it and it will be on your papers. This is how Warren Buffet got so rich as well.

This is just national scale of the same thing, a lot more money involved. Russia did it to many smaller old USSR nations, Europe does it for smaller European nations, China does it to surroundings, even Saudi Arabia gets all the money from oil, and spend it on getting more companies. So it is not really a new thing that people figured out recently.

This show the china nature in this war too.China will stand for Russia, if the United States start to work for the Ukraine.If the war sustain for huge period, the economy of the Russia will collapse. Then china will give the credits to Russia. Once Russia became a depending to china, China will show is real face.China had use this same strategy with the Srilanka. They gave the loan to Srilanka and get one port from Srilanka for the lease for 100 years.

Sri Lanka is a small country compared to Russia. What happened with Sri Lanka won't happen with Russia at any cost. Russia will make its move with its oil and gas industry. Till date very few countries have the sufficient supply of oil and gas, and there is no big infrastructure being developed for electric and solar energy usage. Russia have taken 17 countries out of its neighbouring countries list, among that China is one of the country.

As long as Russia remains as one of the top producers of petroleum and natural gas, it's economy will remain stable. Countries such as India and China are going to disregard any calls on an embargo on the exports from Russia. On the other hand, if crude oil prices jump to $185-$200 per barrel, then it is going to destroy the western economies. Even before the war, retail inflation was near record levels in the United States. Now coupled with the COVID pandemic, the rising crude oil prices can have a huge negative impact on these countries.

Or May be as the war is going ahead china is building up the strategy to sell their cheap arms and weapons and crack the tenders throughout the world. Lolz. You never know what china is doing back at home. I mean I see it as: Every morning china wakes up and thinks let’s get Russia to war on Ukraine or May let make a virus and spread it throughout the world.  ::)

China and Russia being good allies since long time. I don’t think that they will ever interfere with the war. They are just looking at it with business point of view.

The relationship between China and Russia is too strong which will not make China to join other countries to fight Russian in this battle that is going on between Ukraine and Russian. But China will definitely use this opportunity to make a lot of money from Russian for the goods they are going to supply Russian that will make them untouchables till the end of the war. Based on the relationship, China knew that Russian government will definitely need some items from them during the war or after the war because of their relationship they have developed over some years.

The best approach for China is to stay neutral and see what happens.
The problem is that the western sanctions will hit both the western economies and the Russian economy.
A new global recession might be coming,which means that the Chinese export of goods might decrease.
China has to prepare for this,by increasing it's domestic demand for Chinese products and service,making it's economy less dependent of the export.
On the other hand,both the Western world and Russia suffering from an economic crisis would be a great opportunity for China to increase it's international influence and the export of Chinese capitals overseas.

China will act almost the same as United States are approaching this, all nations should be neutral as this is not a good invasion against humans.
I know they're all hungry for power, the Chinese, Russians and North Korea Republic.
One of this side, taking part's will directly Lead to war. China and United States have a close bond/ intimacy when it comes to marketing and trading but I don't think they'll sanction Russia as a result if this invasion.

There are a couple of things that need to be discussed here and seem to be off in the comments.

1. China does not profit from any conflict, at least economically. China has been moving into Africa with its influence and investments and its economy is dependent on the relative stability of the global market, and any conflicts like this slow down and hinder their progress. Now, you might be saying 'Well, Russia will turn to China and become it's that relation will, in turn, benefit China Economically', and yes, something that I will touch on later will be good for China, but an isolated economy that could be on the verge of collapse is not much help to China if the global market is unstable.

2. China will likely not take action towards Taiwan because it saw the reaction the global community had with Russia, and it wouldn't make any economic sense to take the risk of that happening to them. At least right now.

3. China doesn't need to take sides. Actually, their best strategy would be not to take sides but to act as a mediator between the two conflicted sides, serving somewhat as a global police officer (a role previously held by the US), bringing both parties to the table and emergy from it as an ally of Russia but also as a friend to the west and elevating its status in the process. I think that would give them the most leveraging power in the future on both sides. Because of the sanctions, they would get Russia for a song, basically making it dependent on them, and in return dictating their support in the future.

The Russian-Ukrainian War is going incredibly well in favor of the Chinese. The Chinese do not want to get involved in any conflict because the Chinese benefit from a "cold war" between Russia and the West.

But how long can it stay quiet on crisis? Obviously, China cannot directly oppose Russia due to its quasi-alliance with Russia and common pressure from the US, but the Chinese are doing an amazing job managing the situation and are using Russia's aggression to their advantage.
In case of energy sanctions against Russia, China will be able to easily replace the Europe and Ukraine as the main buyer of oil and natural gas that Russia is currently selling, to fuel their economy. China will definitely be a major beneficiary of the conflict in Ukraine, in my opinion.

China is benefitting from both Russia and the West, hence they need to be careful not to offend anyone. The disconnection of Russia from SWIFT  would make Russia seek alternative payments platforms that exist in China. China would also buy Russian oil and gas at a discounted price in case US stops buying.

Also, China wouldn't want to offend US and its allies because the are the biggest market for Chinese goods.

But we must understand that China always wanted the downfall of US, hence they would always support Russia.

There is a difference between China going into Africa and being caught in the middle of some African civil war, versus their biggest ally Russia ending up in a sanctioned situation. This is even worse for them, they would prefer Russia to be doing amazingly well so that two communist nations get hold hands and rule the world together. If Russia does badly, that looks badly on China as well and they would also be losing support from a very important ally at the same time.

This is why I have to say that there is a good amount of money lost for China just because of this war, they are probably not happy with Putin's decision but they can't do much about it neither.

The real reason why China is taking a pro-Russian stance right now is because they are planning similar operations in Taiwan and other disputed territories (such as the Senkaku Islands). On top of that, they are not happy with the Western involvement in the Hong Kong protests, as well as with the Xinjiang internal issues. And finally, Russia is an energy producing country and China is a consumer. A relationship between these two can be mutually beneficial for them. Higher energy prices is not something that China would want at this point.

China specific object. They are not for Russia and not against the United States. They are FOR YOURSELF! For the Chinese economy, the United States is the largest consumer, Russia is a raw materials appendage, and a vassal that can be manipulated to achieve its goals. Now China, according to its habit, philosophically observes what is happening, and waits for how it will end. And it will end soon, because. the Russian army is defeated and demoralized. After that, China will make a decision. Most likely, Putin will sell, of course, the matter is not open, another part of Russian lands to China, and receive some money, but these are already the convulsions of a dying economy. Write it down - by the summer of 2023, the economy in Russia will cease to exist. And China is buying up virtually everything, more or less valuable enterprises and entire segments of the economy, for next to nothing. Russia becomes part of China :)

http://ibb.co.com/images/ukr7c8d0aba53f7ca27.jpg

China is acting very professionally by being neutrally, but making some announcement so that everyone dont forget that they exist. They will supply both, Russia and other countries by sanctioned goods with affordable price. They will only strengthen their economics with this war. They will supply Russia with clothes, spare parts, electronics, Russia on other hand will offer them special price for its resources and smart China will resell it.

Yeah - just the day before yesterday the news came out - Chinese goods and equipment, for Russia, rose by 30-40% :) China is very cruel in fact - it will "use" a weakening empire for its own benefit by 1000%, will play by the rules with a strong one. Russia for China is just a raw material appendage, nothing more. Well, the bearer of territories that historically belong to China, and in the future will be returned to China - after all, Russia opened a pandora's box - it said that "historical annexation" is normal! True, the stupidity of Russia again played a bad joke with her - now they themselves will become a victim of their decisions :)

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And then all armchair generals that have continuously said China will bail out and help Russia get hit with reality:

https://www.reuters.com/business/aerospace-defense/russia-says-china-refuses-supply-aircraft-parts-after-sanctions-2022-03-10/


If someone thought that China will lend a helping hand and waste money on Russia when they can squeeze them dry and maybe do a little special operation themselves liberating a few Chinese territories that have been Chinese for a millennia and Russian for a century this is the moment you should wake up.


Actually, not my fridge, not my washing machine, not my oven are made in China.
And assembled in Chian means one thing, made by Chinese companies is a different thing.
Take their former Huawei phone:

https://scx1.b-cdn.net/csz/news/800a/2019/1-allthediffer.jpg
And that's the product of a Chinese company, on the others, the only Chinese things are only the fingerprints from the packaging.

If everything is made in China, then how come Germany exports 1.7 trillion of stuff?

I wonder if, despite the news about China refusing to sell Russia aircraft parts, that they'd still help secretly. If Russia loses this though or get heavily sanctioned, it is also to China's benefit since RUS would basically become a North Korea, cut off economically from the rest of the world and reduced to selling raw materials to China for cheap.

China will not secretly help Russia. The Chinese government will only do what is beneficial to it. And it is beneficial for China that Russia economically weakens and then there will be an opportunity to use its raw material base on the cheap. A weak Russia is sure to become a target for China in terms of its large territories. After all, China has long laid claim to a significant part of the territory of Siberia. Russia has introduced the rule of the strong into international politics and will itself suffer from it.

They're definitely watching closely how far the Western countries would be willing to help Ukraine since that could signal the response an invasion of Taiwan  would elicit. There's a small possibility I think that if NATO ever overcommit itself to helping Ukraine that China would take that as a chance to take Taiwan. After all, there's only so much military assets to spread around and if US is also fighting in Europe it might overreach itself. It's basically only the US, Japan and maybe Australia that are nearby to come to Taiwan's aid.

It seems that in this situation, it will be easier, more profitable and safer for China to get its "historical territories" beyond the Urals, which will not cause an international, negative reaction than to seize Taiwan. China is wise. China is not a country of degraded, stupid, thieves, fascists like Russia. China is wisdom, even in the form of the Communist Party in power. Moreover, China now has a great time to "contemplate" what is happening, and make a decision - to finish off the weak, to continue partnerships with the strong.

Most mobile phones rely on the UK design but the production of the actual chip could be China Taiwan or South Korea possibly as ARM only does designs.   The normal CPU production is not suitable, too much heat and power is used even by laptop chips so alot of the world uses very similar designs in origin.     China will trade however profits them best overall globally, as the country lacks oil they do require that but it doesnt have to come from Russia exactly.   Perhaps the heat is too much at present for them to raise the trouble of breaking ranks with the rest of the world but its hard to believe these two companies do not continue long term trade.

I think that's the end goal, to have Russia as another North Korea as many have already pointed out. I'm just thinking that prolonging the conflict could also play into China's hands. Russia would be bankrupt, the Western alliance would have to shell out money to reconstruct Ukraine, the EU have to deal with an immigrant crisis, etc.

What I think of all this is that China is playing a very strategic role, it is for them the opportunity to end the hegemony of the dollar and world governments, for the Chinese an alliance with the Russians seems much more effective than with the Americans for many reasons, among which the biggest is the economic one, and this will be a war of economic positions dollar and euro VS Yuan, it is something that China is taking advantage of because by suffocating Russia with economic sanctions its only ally will be China, and in Russia what is left over is gold, then the economic exchange will eventually take place in a balance of the strongest, I think that this is where an era will begin where the dollar will possibly suffer more economic declines (inflation) as is happening and for CHINA it will begin to emerge a stronger economy, even stronger than the European economy in general.

Weren't these two floating the idea of going back to the gold standard just a few years ago? No matter what though, Russia is definitely getting the short end of the stick in that alliance since it'll eventually be forced to trade with only China (And perhaps maybe India? What's their stance?) and we can then expect Beijing to increasingly dictate the policy in Moscow, like it does with Pyongyang.

China has its own mission in helping Russia to carry out the invasion of Ukraine, China is a country that wants to have its own advantage, they will do everything possible to get an advantage, where he sees an advantage, he will try to approach, but if China does not benefit, already surely he will not care about all that, as China did with bitcoin, because the Chinese government cannot control bitcoin, so in 2017 China immediately banned bitcoin mining in his country,

Even though I hate the CCP, and I have to say they are doing things against humanity and they are disgusting pigs. I have to say the smart part is correct, they are ruthless, they are cunning and they are smart which makes them even a bigger threat to all over the world.

They would not take Taiwan like how Russia is doing to Ukraine, they would take it in a single day. Why? Because the longer you take, the more sanctions and troubles are waiting for you, but if you take it in a single day, with no matter how many people dead, and how many places are destroyed, now it is about you going back, not about stopping you going further and that is easier to handle.

China is a rather specific country, you can’t argue with that. But, unlike the empty-headed Kremlin fascists, the Chinese government is pragmatic. The issue of Taiwan is not an easy one. I, on the example of my country, understanding what annexation or forcible "accession" is, is against such steps. Well, and most importantly, China probably will not take such steps as seizing Taiwan in one day, ignoring the victims. Taiwan has value not only as a territory, but also as a world technology center. And China will not bomb the residential and industrial areas of Taiwan like the terrorist troops of the Russians.

Also the reason why the U.S. won't swap fighter jets with Poland so that their old ones can be used by Ukraine. The no fly zone is understandable, but if the West is already providing ammo and other military equipment, sending fighter jets doesn't seem so over the top. Putin is bluffing with his nuclear weapons IMO. Obviously not a gamble the West should take, but WW3 is a bit hyperbolic. As long as the U.S. is not killing Russian troops, they can support by proxy. It's essentially what's been the case with the Middle East for years, a proxy war between U.S. backed and Russian backed groups.

agreed, as of the moment surely china is waiting for a sign in order for them to make move to join on the conflict between Ukraine and Russia or probably to invade Taiwan as well at the current situation since they have increased its military activity around Taiwan like what Russia did when they heard Ukraine wants to join the NATO.  So It will be a world world if that happens.

I think the war is now taking another way and that should be a major concern now. If Russia is going to start bumping of children hospital instead of focusing on the military and government infrastructures, this is bad. The Ukraine president is raising alarm on this for ICC to see evidences of war crimes. Putin and his Army chiefs seem to be in denier but the pictures are there for the atrocities committed in this fight.

China are such a bunch of hypocrites and it is so clear for all to see. They say don't throw fuel on the fire? Well Russia has invaded a country in Europe - proceeding to murder civilians and level cities all over with zero justification. It is Russia that needs to learn to respect other cultures and civilizations instead of trying to impose their will by endless violence. There is no way that Russia comes out of this war successfully, even if they continue murdering innocent people their economy will be shattered for decades to come. The only way this ends now is with the downfall of Putin, hopefully he can be replaced by a democratic system which will take a long time to build. The Chinese are a bunch of cowards, simply looking to prop up another friendly authoritarian government but they'll both end up losing in the long run. Dictator Xi Jinping better be scared, this is the Chinese future.

developed countries such as the US and China, fortunately they have not taken part in this game, war is not an entertainment or a joke, and I hope they don't interfere in this. Because I hope the war will pass soon. There was info on China monitoring Taiwan and some corners in some areas, maybe China wants to fully help Russia but relations with other countries may not be vague considering the Chinese military is quite complete, I'm not mentioning who is wrong and right but this impact will extend to several elements of finance, economy, stocks, crypto etc.

There is a slightly different problem here:
1. Poland heard Russian statements that it was ready to use tactical nuclear weapons against those NATO countries that would join in helping Ukraine, and Poland was openly named as a strike point. And after Poland saw some defense impotence of NATO and Western countries, it decided not to take risks and decided to go "another way" and offered to transfer the MI-29 to a base in Germany. AND...
2. Germany, which has a large group of politicians bribed by the Kremlin for a long time, dances to the Kremlin's tune and of course says to Poland "no, we will not accept them." At the same time, Germany "expresses concern" to the public, well, in order to at least somehow hide support for rashism.

You are wrong, China and the US have taken part in the war between Ukraine and Russia, China is Russia's best friend and according to reports, as long as economic sanctions hit Russia, China has fully assisted.  Since the beginning these two countries ^{(China and the US)} have always been involved in the affairs of many countries, if both were not involved then the world would be safe.

I don't think so, China is not Russia's best friend, China's best friend is its economy, if they get disadvantages from friending with Russia they won't be together. Now Russia was refused by China to give them aircraft parts which is a sign that they are not ,,the best friends''. Also, I think China might play a positive mediating role in this war, who knows.

It is basically about the amount they are willing to spend plus the other side taking hold of some information. If you send someone regular AR weapons and ammunition then even if the other side gets it (probably already bought it from someone way back when it first came out) then there wouldn't be any dangers.

However, airplane is something that runs on tech, and if the other side gets their hands on that tech, they could get a better defence ready for something like that, and it would be scary. So, sending like F series war planes would be a risky move, because it would give Russians time to get one and then result with some tides turning for the USA.

Russia is now very quickly becoming a pariah country and will be similar to North Korea in this respect. China will certainly take advantage of this situation and the weakening of Russia's position. They say that Russia has already turned to China for help in military equipment, but China is unlikely to do this, since it itself will be afraid of sanctions and, on the other hand, China is interested in weakening Russia's position in the international arena. Strong sanctions against Russia may deter China from attacking Taiwan. At the same time, Taiwan is now studying Ukraine's experience in a successful war against Russia in order to repel possible Chinese aggression.

This is correct and why USA doesn't send stuffs with tech in it. There are only a number of them, and even they do get caught and researched very well somehow as well, not easy, but can be done and that is why it keeps getting changed all the time. This is why drones are used right now. Those Bayraktar Drones that Ukraine uses costs like 4 million dollars or so, cheapest big weapon in the entire world, we are talking about like the missile you use to take one day costs more than the drone itself.

Hence, I believe that the war world will go towards that, we will see plenty more of those. And I mean like regular drone size things that will be managed all together all at once from a center and attack plenty of soldiers all at once.

Actually, another big country that's kind of neutral is India, so China is not the only one. But China is more important geopolitically, I think, so let's focus on that. The problem with China and embracing it is that it comes at a high price. China is itself a very problematic authoritarian state with basically concentration camps and lots of human rights violations. So the West doesn't want to empower China any more than it has already been empowered by deep economic ties between the US and China. Meanwhile, as a fellow dictatorship, China's more sympathetic toward Putin than Western leaders, so really joining the war on the side of the Western countries is not something China's willing to do, unless Russia does something especially stupid like annexing a part of China's territory. And as long as China doesn't help Russia too much, it's enough.

Not only China but also in other countries as well which are known to be one of the most powerful which are still giving out some moral support and not that military aid or back up whether of those

both countries which it isnt surprising that they wouldnt really be doing something that they do see that it would back fire once this war is over specially if you are doing against Russia
then you would definitely be having those presumptions of having some comeback on what you had done earlier.

This is no news. China wants everything that would be beneficial to them. They are just waiting for the opportunity to take advantage of the situation. The moment they got a glimpse of a scene that would be useful for them, they would do everything on their power to make it happen.

Right now, China said that they are not in any way affiliated as an ally to Russia. It's because they have seen all the sanctions imposed upon Russia. I believe they think that the world sanctions would really do much harm if they will be involved, hence chose to be secretly backing up Russia for the raw materials they need.

It is a possible scenario where Russia emerges victorious from that invasion, CHINA will immediately act against Taiwan, because if it supports Russia right now, when it asks Russia for help, they will not hesitate, and that is when little by little9 things in the world will be able to change.

Both the USA and NATO are seeing and considering all these scenarios, so could we be seeing that these countries are losing power to the world? If you ask any person what they think of the USA and NATO, they will not give good opinions, I think they have partly lost credibility, they do not enter if they do not touch their allied countries, so why promise to help if they are not going to do it?

I don't quite agree with you. China is more inclined towards Russia, it understands that during the sanctions and isolation of the entire developed world from Russia, it is in an advantageous position. Russia will trade mainly with China. All brands and companies that leave Russia will change to Chinese ones. China understands all this, so now it is no longer so neutral.
I do not believe in pity and help to Russia, only economic benefits to China, nothing more.

Neutral? China is anything but neutral, although it looks that way. In the Chinese media, the little nonsense is spread like in Russia. In China, too, there is talk of a "special operation" instead of a war of aggression. China may look neutral, but indirectly it supports Russia through several ways because they have the same enemy: Democracies.

China is satisfied with the response of US to the Ukraine Invasion by Russia, so it's not unlikely for China to also make its own move against Taiwan and do the same as what Russia is currently doing. The weak country will always lose the war and we know how far the US and European countries will respond to this kind of war.

They can't play the same weapon, they can just sanction a certain country but it would still not save the lives of the innocent people as that sanction will result in every playing its negative effect.

China doesn't really have the same power that Russia has. If you have energy sources, there is really not that many alternatives to it, at least not right now, any nation could become energy independent if they want to spend a lot of money right now, but it will take years before they reach there, so Russia is a big important place for west and yet they still put sanctions on them.

China on the other hand grew thanks to cheap labor, and they are charging more these days because they became better at it, "Chinese product" used to be mean shitty, nowadays they are building great stuff. But,  starting a factor wouldn't cost too much to do in other nations. So if China attacks Taiwan and gets sanctioned, that would be much worse for them.

The only positive from this war is China might think twice about taking the extreme route of attacking Taiwan in some similar misguided idea their regime rules over all its neighbors.   Like Hong Kong they have no respect for any special distinction Taiwan has being completely separate from China for so many decades, seems quite similar to how Russia thinks every former component of USSR is also only in existence so long as it feels like it.

The Chinese leadership have no particular plan, they will stand behind whichever side looks like it has the upper hand. They use Russia for it's commodities and oil but would invade Russia for it's land in a second if they thought they could neutralize their nukes - they'd be successful too judging by the awful use of it's army in Ukraine. China got rich off selling products to the west and needs to continue doing so for some time if it wants to rule the world as the foremost economic power. It's not quite ready yet to self sustain especially with many bubbles, like property, waiting to burst at the seams. China will likely keep their language as neutral as possible.

We think that Russia is lucky but nope. If there's one of them that is lucky, that is going to be china because it will get most of the benefits but that if china is allowed to export and import goods from other countries but what if china is also blocked just like Russia? Since, everyone knows that there is a special connection between china and Russia. Russia is a strong country but china is the wisest among all.

We have seen in the past how china lead the world when it comes to supplying basic necessities. That was the time when covid pandemic hit, to be specific but now that there are now wars that happen. China is at it again to the rescue.

The main link from China to Russia is both are prepared to treat their own people badly to continue the bias towards the most powerful people at the time.  They share a common interest more then any great friendship, they can and will trade on that basis even if the rest of the world were to block them though China has no intention to also receive sanctions in the same way.

Even China would be having those sanctions but still their economy could really withstood on that particular situation considering that they are one of the biggest and richest country or simply superpower

which means that they could really survive it out.Speaking with intentions and interest and similarity with Russian then its true and its not surprising that they would not really make any move against
and just like others been saying that they do have mutual benefits speaking with other aspects so China wont really be that a fool on going against.