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Title: Blame Game in gambling
Post by: noormcs5 on March 09, 2022, 01:07:37 AM
Heartbroken parents say Hull teacher was victim of 'predatory' gambling industry (https://www.hulldailymail.co.uk/news/hull-east-yorkshire-news/heartbroken-parents-say-hull-teacher-6755181). Whom to blame for this sad incident ?

Why not try to find the root cause here first. Where were the parents when their 16 years old son was addicted to gambling ? They should have monitored his activities and this situation would not have raised. You cannot blame the doctors on insufficient medical treatments when the son could have be taught at home to avoid excessive gambling. I would consider it a negligence on parents behalf as it was their first duty to keep an eye on their children.


Title: Re: Blame Game in gambling
Post by: Maus0728 on March 09, 2022, 01:13:28 AM
Gambling Disorder ? (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5388726.0)

There had been a recent discussion about this topic. And you may try reading some of the insights given by other members about their opinion on the said issue.


Title: Re: Blame Game in gambling
Post by: virasog on March 09, 2022, 03:55:29 AM
Heartbroken parents say Hull teacher was victim of 'predatory' gambling industry (https://www.hulldailymail.co.uk/news/hull-east-yorkshire-news/heartbroken-parents-say-hull-teacher-6755181). Whom to blame for this sad incident ?

Why not try to find the root cause here first. Where were the parents when their 16 years old son was addicted to gambling ? They should have monitored his activities and this situation would not have raised. You cannot blame the doctors on insufficient medical treatments when the son could have be taught at home to avoid excessive gambling. I would consider it a negligence on parents behalf as it was their first duty to keep an eye on their children.
In our culture gambling is a cure. People are forbidden to gamble, it is strictly not accepted in our religion as well. As per Our religious and cultural teachings  to much gambling  brings an unnecessary stress to the nevers and make a person weak inside. It makes you rich in a jiffy or it makes you a beggar in the other moment. Also easy come, easy go. There is no bless in that money and one loses the money as easily as the way they get it.  I personally believe one should be very careful indulging in self destructive activities.

If in your culture and religion, gambling is prohibited then why are you wearing a gambling signature and promoting gambling? So do you think this income from gambling will be considered as a good income for you?

Same is our stance on everything in life including gambling. We do whatever we like but we do not want our children to do the same things. If parents didn't gamble in the first place, there are fewer chances of their children doing the same.


Title: Re: Blame Game in gambling
Post by: ipanks on March 09, 2022, 05:40:50 AM
The answer is that parents are very busy with their work and they leave the supervision to the people they hire to take care of the housework in their homes. Most of what happens are that when children start to grow up, parents who work in offices experience an increase in a career to have more work, making their home life disorganized.

Children who have been close to their parents from a young age lose their father or mother figure because their parents are busy with work or business. And finally, many children fall into bad things and from there, the problem of gambling addiction or drug addiction arises.

Yes, it is parental negligence as they are too busy with their work. We have often seen cases where it makes children today tend to be angrier if what they want is not fulfilled. Hopefully, we can be better parents than those out there and watch over our kids growing up well.


Title: Re: Blame Game in gambling
Post by: TopT3ns on March 09, 2022, 05:57:57 AM
Gambling Disorder ? (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5388726.0)

There had been a recent discussion about this topic. And you may try reading some of the insights given by other members about their opinion on the said issue.
I think have the same cases talking on last topic but was closed reply there and I don't know why he try make new topic with the same discussing, I think all parent need to educate about his kid not allowed for gambling site before pass 18 years old, I think have been discuss on last topic before and not need to make new topic again with the same discussing opinion. Maybe he try give good educate for parent with his kid how to know with gambling site and really need to educate all kid before active in gambling site between sport betting or casino games.


Title: Re: Blame Game in gambling
Post by: Kakmakr on March 09, 2022, 06:30:50 AM
Let me also quote from this article that were posted.... “As the mental health charity Mind and others acknowledge, the reasons behind any suicide are ‘complex and can have lots of different causes’."

So, he might have had depression from other things that went wrong in his life and gambling was just one way to handle that. (Like people that turn to alcohol, when things go bad)

I can understand that the parents want to lash out at someone to shift the blame, but each individual case has it's own merit. How many old or lonely people gamble to stop them from going into depression? (They go to a casino to mingle and socialize with other people)  ;)


Title: Re: Blame Game in gambling
Post by: noormcs5 on March 09, 2022, 06:38:36 AM
Gambling Disorder ? (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5388726.0)

There had been a recent discussion about this topic. And you may try reading some of the insights given by other members about their opinion on the said issue.
I think have the same cases talking on last topic but was closed reply there and I don't know why he try make new topic with the same discussing, I think all parent need to educate about his kid not allowed for gambling site before pass 18 years old, I think have been discuss on last topic before and not need to make new topic again with the same discussing opinion. Maybe he try give good educate for parent with his kid how to know with gambling site and really need to educate all kid before active in gambling site between sport betting or casino games.

That old topic was locked and hence we could not discuss it further. I created this topic again because it is a sensitive issue and many gamblers (mainly the newcomers), should know the side effects of gambling for the underage. Previously most physical casino did not allow underage people to access the casino but this online gambling has removed all restrictions and we see a lot of depression and anxiety in the younger generation becoming addicted to gambling.


Title: Re: Blame Game in gambling
Post by: Wexnident on March 09, 2022, 06:46:44 AM
Well ultimately the one to blame would be the person involved themselves, the rest are just third parties with some degree of influence to the party involved, emphasis on the "some". Sure parents can actively involve themselves in educating their kid, but in the end, it would still be the kid themselves who would decide if he would do something or not. As I said in a previous thread before, influence can be long-lasting but at the same time, it could also be not. A person can choose what they  can be influenced on imo.


Title: Re: Blame Game in gambling
Post by: YOSHIE on March 09, 2022, 08:39:03 AM
From the source that the OP showed, and I read carefully, I concluded Jack's death as stated by Jack's parents below, I don't agree.
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“Gambling was the root and trigger of Jack’s death. The coroner heard that ‘it took hold of a happy healthy 17-year-old child and killed him’.

If I'm not mistaken, in this forum we have all been warned many times about the risks of gambling addiction, from the source Jack committed suicide due to gambling addiction, question: where were their parents, before Jack got addicted and ended his life, did they care about Jack all his life.

Cases like this have happened in my country, parents are busy with work, their children are given tens of dollars every month, but the old man never knew what the money was used for, one day the old man found out the money he gave every month was spent on gambling by his son, parents are very angry, then immediately scolded him very rudely, the end of the story the child did not accept, because he was already seriously addicted, ended up committing suicide, In a case like this, who is to blame, the parents, the child or the gambling company, everyone can judge who was behind the child's death.


Title: Re: Blame Game in gambling
Post by: yazher on March 09, 2022, 10:25:32 AM
Well ultimately the one to blame would be the person involved themselves, the rest are just third parties with some degree of influence to the party involved, emphasis on the "some". Sure parents can actively involve themselves in educating their kid, but in the end, it would still be the kid themselves who would decide if he would do something or not. As I said in a previous thread before, influence can be long-lasting but at the same time, it could also be not. A person can choose what they  can be influenced on imo.

It's just like any addictive thing, whenever you feel to yourself you're doing more than you used to and you continue doing it every day, it means you need some help outside your comfort zone. Because if you let it consume you, it will get worse every day and you might fall into some deadly thoughts and beliefs. That's why you can see some hotline for consultation and other stuff because they know that the crucial thing to do first is to talk to that kind of people and help them with counseling their problems.


Title: Re: Blame Game in gambling
Post by: Ryker1 on March 09, 2022, 10:29:48 AM
Well in the first place parents should have the responsibility with their children, it should be rise with a good moral and the most important is not to involve in gambling addict and should focus on study. If parents are busy with work they can hire a nanny for the child.
We cannot blame anything except the parents, diligence towards their children should always be guided by them.
However, a teacher won't teach their students a bad manner or habit at a young age pupil, never blame them if your child was in gambling addiction.


Title: Re: Blame Game in gambling
Post by: Taskford on March 09, 2022, 10:36:08 AM
Heartbroken parents say Hull teacher was victim of 'predatory' gambling industry (https://www.hulldailymail.co.uk/news/hull-east-yorkshire-news/heartbroken-parents-say-hull-teacher-6755181). Whom to blame for this sad incident ?

Why not try to find the root cause here first. Where were the parents when their 16 years old son was addicted to gambling ? They should have monitored his activities and this situation would not have raised. You cannot blame the doctors on insufficient medical treatments when the son could have be taught at home to avoid excessive gambling. I would consider it a negligence on parents behalf as it was their first duty to keep an eye on their children.

The only one who's to be blame on such unfortunate incident is the gambler itself because he will not go thru that situation if he just moderate things. We know he's minor but for sure he can think already for his self if this is bad or good. And for continue to participatinf on those risky games even if he know he's not gaining anything also this already affect his daily activities in life. We can't blame their parents on this case since we don't know if they have other things needed to take care to as we know our parents is busy working or taking care of something important to provide the daily needs of their children but since this case already happen maybe its good for them to seek experts advise on this situation.


Title: Re: Blame Game in gambling
Post by: AicecreaME on March 09, 2022, 11:53:02 AM
Heartbroken parents say Hull teacher was victim of 'predatory' gambling industry (https://www.hulldailymail.co.uk/news/hull-east-yorkshire-news/heartbroken-parents-say-hull-teacher-6755181). Whom to blame for this sad incident ?

Why not try to find the root cause here first. Where were the parents when their 16 years old son was addicted to gambling ? They should have monitored his activities and this situation would not have raised. You cannot blame the doctors on insufficient medical treatments when the son could have be taught at home to avoid excessive gambling. I would consider it a negligence on parents behalf as it was their first duty to keep an eye on their children.

Indeed, this is a case of parent's negligence. Parental guidance during the growth of their children is essential. Their teachings and nourishment during the crucial years from being a kid to their early adolescence is of importance so that they could develop the learnings, principles, beliefs, attitude, and discipline they need while growing up. Being absent during those times that the children need the proper guidance from their parents could lead to several things such as developing anxiety, depression, and even addiction. Gambling addiction is a problem that could have been prevented if there were adults that will guide and lead the child into proper and right path. It is parents responsibility to take care of their children. It is their duty and obligation to ensure their safety and they are having a good health. A parent shouldn't pass their responsibility to other people because it is their kid in the first place. No one would be responsible aside from them, not even their teachers for exhibiting such behaviors.

I know parents do their very best to provide the support  their children need. However, it is also important to take a pause for a while and check up on them. Let's not be caught up with work to the point we neglect our responsibilities to our children.


Title: Re: Blame Game in gambling
Post by: judeafante on March 09, 2022, 12:24:18 PM
Let me also quote from this article that were posted.... “As the mental health charity Mind and others acknowledge, the reasons behind any suicide are ‘complex and can have lots of different causes’."

So, he might have had depression from other things that went wrong in his life and gambling was just one way to handle that. (Like people that turn to alcohol, when things go bad)

I can understand that the parents want to lash out at someone to shift the blame, but each individual case has it's own merit. How many old or lonely people gamble to stop them from going into depression? (They go to a casino to mingle and socialize with other people)  ;)

People turn to gambling, as an outlet for their depression, it's actually the depression that causes it, and the depression manifested more when the person started losing more and cannot keep up with losing they do not know how to address losing like when they do not know how to address depression, depression kills and gambling is not a place to release your depression, you will suffer more.


Title: Re: Blame Game in gambling
Post by: Coin_trader on March 09, 2022, 12:34:14 PM
Let me also quote from this article that were posted.... “As the mental health charity Mind and others acknowledge, the reasons behind any suicide are ‘complex and can have lots of different causes’."

So, he might have had depression from other things that went wrong in his life and gambling was just one way to handle that. (Like people that turn to alcohol, when things go bad)

I can understand that the parents want to lash out at someone to shift the blame, but each individual case has it's own merit. How many old or lonely people gamble to stop them from going into depression? (They go to a casino to mingle and socialize with other people)  ;)

People turn to gambling, as an outlet for their depression, it's actually the depression that causes it, and the depression manifested more when the person started losing more and cannot keep up with losing they do not know how to address losing like when they do not know how to address depression, depression kills and gambling is not a place to release your depression, you will suffer more.

Yeah, Gambling is easy to access as recreational activity to release stress especially for those who has depression and easy access on the internet. Actually there's no one need to blame on this kind of incident since neither the parents nor the specialist want this to happened. I believe it's very hard to stop this kind of problem if the person itself don't want to help his/herself to overcome depression. Gambling with depression will just amplify the pain of the person whenever he lose money. On this case, KYC is playing an important role to control this kind of incident.


Title: Re: Blame Game in gambling
Post by: ropyu1978 on March 09, 2022, 01:11:32 PM
Well in the first place parents should have the responsibility with their children, it should be rise with a good moral and the most important is not to involve in gambling addict and should focus on study. If parents are busy with work they can hire a nanny for the child.
We cannot blame anything except the parents, diligence towards their children should always be guided by them.
However, a teacher won't teach their students a bad manner or habit at a young age pupil, never blame them if your child was in gambling addiction.
If for example we are still the responsibility of our parents, it is certain that the role of parents takes precedence, when we are mature and independent we must control ourselves so as not to fall into gambling, we cannot blame the game. and the environment, because it all depends on ourselves, if I blame the game I lack respect, even though we live in an environment of people playing gambling if we are good at taking care of ourselves, surely we will not be affected..


Title: Re: Blame Game in gambling
Post by: ChiBitCTy on March 09, 2022, 01:34:01 PM
I agree with you. Many of peoples issues or wrong doings can often be placed on bad parenting. If you read the book Think Like a Freak it breaks this down. Why were the parents allowing them to so easily be able to gamble. How the heck did they have the money to do so. I without question think some of the blame if not most goes on the parents.


Title: Re: Blame Game in gambling
Post by: asus09 on March 09, 2022, 01:39:54 PM
Heartbroken parents say Hull teacher was victim of 'predatory' gambling industry (https://www.hulldailymail.co.uk/news/hull-east-yorkshire-news/heartbroken-parents-say-hull-teacher-6755181). Whom to blame for this sad incident ?

Why not try to find the root cause here first. Where were the parents when their 16 years old son was addicted to gambling ? They should have monitored his activities and this situation would not have raised. You cannot blame the doctors on insufficient medical treatments when the son could have be taught at home to avoid excessive gambling. I would consider it a negligence on parents behalf as it was their first duty to keep an eye on their children.
the adage once said, because of habit we become addicted, if we ever fall once we will most likely repeat the second time, after that we will be addicted and can't be separated from games and gambling, before we move on we better think first, because if we regret later it's useless, it's the job of parents to advise, but we have to be good at taking care of ourselves, the teacher's job is to provide education, reduce association with an unhealthy environment, look for friends who give motivation, not friends who plunge us into a muddy hole.


Title: Re: Blame Game in gambling
Post by: Mauser on March 09, 2022, 01:45:06 PM
Heartbroken parents say Hull teacher was victim of 'predatory' gambling industry (https://www.hulldailymail.co.uk/news/hull-east-yorkshire-news/heartbroken-parents-say-hull-teacher-6755181). Whom to blame for this sad incident ?

Why not try to find the root cause here first. Where were the parents when their 16 years old son was addicted to gambling ? They should have monitored his activities and this situation would not have raised. You cannot blame the doctors on insufficient medical treatments when the son could have be taught at home to avoid excessive gambling. I would consider it a negligence on parents behalf as it was their first duty to keep an eye on their children.

We already have a thread about this artible here in the gambling discussion thread. Maybe try and merge the discussion in there?  You are right that the parents should have helped his son. With 24 years the parents don't have any supervision duties anymore, but they should have helped their kid nonetheless. Gambling is similar to other things in life that bring us joy, we shouldn't over do them. Everything should be done with limits, like drinking alcohol, smoking, or eating unhealthy food. The gambling industry is not the villain here.


Title: Re: Blame Game in gambling
Post by: aioc on March 09, 2022, 01:50:14 PM
I agree with you. Many of peoples issues or wrong doings can often be placed on bad parenting. If you read the book Think Like a Freak it breaks this down. Why were the parents allowing them to so easily be able to gamble. How the heck did they have the money to do so. I without question think some of the blame if not most goes on the parents.

They are not to blame all the time, there are gamblers who developed their gambling addictions when they are old enough already make money and can decide on their own, there's a root cause of it all, not the parents all the time, sometimes from habit from the stress of works from surroundings and influences coming from peers and the place where they live, each case is very much different from the other.


Title: Re: Blame Game in gambling
Post by: Hydrogen on March 09, 2022, 01:52:12 PM
Heartbroken parents say Hull teacher was victim of 'predatory' gambling industry (https://www.hulldailymail.co.uk/news/hull-east-yorkshire-news/heartbroken-parents-say-hull-teacher-6755181). Whom to blame for this sad incident ?



They're labeling the gambling industry as predatory.

Being someone who follows the news, I remember a time when college university recruiters were approaching homeless people on the street offering to sign them up for government education loans. Of course, the homeless had little chance of benefiting from a college education. It was a predatory move made by universities to boost their profit margins. Today the united states has a student loan bubble as a result.

Its more typical to hear of similar stories in many industries today, than it is for these type of predatory practices to not exist.

And so I wonder if the gambling industry can singled out as being predatory, when the term may apply more broadly to our global standard.



Title: Re: Blame Game in gambling
Post by: $crypto$ on March 09, 2022, 02:04:14 PM
If you look at the factor after his child reaches 16, it is a decision that the child is already aware of. So don't completely blame the parents. But also the child must be responsible for what he takes regarding gambling. At the age of 16 and above, usually psychological development is always wanting to try new things. Meanwhile, the lack of parental supervision, the environment, and friends around also affect what the child does.

Identification of the environment and daily interactions will find a bright point that every parent gives freedom to children who have started to reach adulthood.


Title: Re: Blame Game in gambling
Post by: Fivestar4everMVP on March 09, 2022, 02:07:59 PM
Let me also quote from this article that were posted.... “As the mental health charity Mind and others acknowledge, the reasons behind any suicide are ‘complex and can have lots of different causes’."

So, he might have had depression from other things that went wrong in his life and gambling was just one way to handle that. (Like people that turn to alcohol, when things go bad)

I can understand that the parents want to lash out at someone to shift the blame, but each individual case has it's own merit. How many old or lonely people gamble to stop them from going into depression? (They go to a casino to mingle and socialize with other people)  ;)

People turn to gambling, as an outlet for their depression, it's actually the depression that causes it, and the depression manifested more when the person started losing more and cannot keep up with losing they do not know how to address losing like when they do not know how to address depression, depression kills and gambling is not a place to release your depression, you will suffer more.
Allow me to disagree with you mate, in as much as I believe that people reason or think differently, I still think that depression isn't actually the reason why people go into gambling and get addicted, it should be the other way round, too much gambling actually births depression.
Just imagine gambling for straight 30 days without a single win, thinking about all the money lost and better things one could have used the money for is enough reason for one to fall into really deep depression.

1. Talking about why people go into gambling, (not like to say gambling is a bad thing, but allowing oneself to get addicted is where it becomes a really big problem), most people I know were introduced into gambling by their friend(s) after seeing their friend(s) winning(s), but without properly managing the habit, they end up like those in my second point below 👇.

2. Others I know went into it out of curiosity and after loosing money many times, they continued playing in hopes of winning one day so as to recover all the money they've lost previously, but unfortunately, it sometimes doesn't work out that way.

3. Others went into gambling as a side hustle, but without properly watching the habit, most end up like those in my second point above 👆.

4. Others go into gambling out of depression for quick money or wealth, but unfortunately, if they dont control themselves, they still end up like the ones in my second point above 👆.

This are just the few reasons I can mention from all the reasons I know, I've never seen anyone go into gambling out of depression, depressed people end up doing drugs, alcohol, doing all sort of dangerous things to themselves, and in the worst case scenario, commit suicide, any thing that can get them high, something that can make them forget their present problems or condition, gambling does not make anyone forget their problems but rather, it adds to it because after playing, you have to worry and pray you win, and if eventually you don't win, you begin to worry and feel bad for the money you just lost and think of ways to get it back.


Title: Re: Blame Game in gambling
Post by: Finestream on March 09, 2022, 02:13:59 PM
Blame the parents who did not monitor and guide their kids. It's their responsibility to ensure that minors should stay away from gambling, you can't blame gambling because this industry has been here for centuries, and they are not here to destroy lives.

What destroy lives in gambling is irresponsible gambling, and sometimes irresponsible parents makes one.


Title: Re: Blame Game in gambling
Post by: molsewid on March 09, 2022, 02:15:57 PM
If you look at the factor after his child reaches 16, it is a decision that the child is already aware of. So don't completely blame the parents. But also the child must be responsible for what he takes regarding gambling. At the age of 16 and above, usually psychological development is always wanting to try new things. Meanwhile, the lack of parental supervision, the environment, and friends around also affect what the child does.

Identification of the environment and daily interactions will find a bright point that every parent gives freedom to children who have started to reach adulthood.

But so far if we will look back at the time where the parent's guardian is still needed by the child and they been able to monitor him at least close monitor they can control their child's action and can influence their child's decisions. I am not totally blaming the parents but I can say that they play a vital role in shaping their child's development, while also considering the influence of the child's environment, circle of friends, and others. This time, a 16 year old child being psychologically diagnosed as gambling addict needs a close monitor and help by the psychiatrist and of course with the cooperation of the child to be treated.


Title: Re: Blame Game in gambling
Post by: swogerino on March 09, 2022, 02:21:52 PM
Heartbroken parents say Hull teacher was victim of 'predatory' gambling industry (https://www.hulldailymail.co.uk/news/hull-east-yorkshire-news/heartbroken-parents-say-hull-teacher-6755181). Whom to blame for this sad incident ?

Why not try to find the root cause here first. Where were the parents when their 16 years old son was addicted to gambling ? They should have monitored his activities and this situation would not have raised. You cannot blame the doctors on insufficient medical treatments when the son could have be taught at home to avoid excessive gambling. I would consider it a negligence on parents behalf as it was their first duty to keep an eye on their children.

I completely agree,when parents are not careful to monitor all the activities of their children things can precipitate pretty quickly and these kind of scenarios can become common ones.I understand that some type of parents want to leave their children free to a certain point to inflict in their education the critical value that freedom has but not overdo it like in this case maybe.I am personally a new parent,have my 2 year old daughter and I always tend to leave her free and I will keep behaving the same even when she becomes a teenager of course being always there to guide her to the righteous things.I also partly blame the parents but the people with whom this person has as friends are also responsible for this.In the end this kind of the situations are always the most critical needing a lot of specialized help from different departments to make this person quit gambling and we all know how difficult is to do that once you become addicted to it.


Title: Re: Blame Game in gambling
Post by: xSkylarx on March 09, 2022, 02:23:28 PM
Let me also quote from this article that were posted.... “As the mental health charity Mind and others acknowledge, the reasons behind any suicide are ‘complex and can have lots of different causes’."

So, he might have had depression from other things that went wrong in his life and gambling was just one way to handle that. (Like people that turn to alcohol, when things go bad)

I can understand that the parents want to lash out at someone to shift the blame, but each individual case has it's own merit. How many old or lonely people gamble to stop them from going into depression? (They go to a casino to mingle and socialize with other people)  ;)

People turn to gambling, as an outlet for their depression, it's actually the depression that causes it, and the depression manifested more when the person started losing more and cannot keep up with losing they do not know how to address losing like when they do not know how to address depression, depression kills and gambling is not a place to release your depression, you will suffer more.

That's correct; addiction to drugs or alcohol is comparable. I have a friend who suffers from depression and uses alcoholic beverages and going to casinos to get drunk, he comes from a wealthy family so money is not a concern for him, he spends a lot of money on both, but after his parents noticed it, they took him to the doctor, who determined that he had an depression and that he should be taking medications,  During this difficult time, I believe that parents should be the first to lend a shoulder, and I agree that gambling is not the answer; in fact, it only serves to exacerbate the problem.


Title: Re: Blame Game in gambling
Post by: dbc23 on March 09, 2022, 02:29:03 PM
We can't be pouring the total blame on the parent. At 16 the teen is open to diverse source information and has full choice on which to follow but a close guidance from his parents would have saved the lad who knows. It's unfortunate he had no one to disclose the possible dangers of gambling addiction which he ended up been a big victim of.

We live in an era where information make children adamant and as long as the internet exist if parents fail to follow the trend they might lose control of their wards because this wards will always feel their parents are out of fashion and as such lack the right advice at the moment


Title: Re: Blame Game in gambling
Post by: Cling18 on March 09, 2022, 02:47:21 PM
Heartbroken parents say Hull teacher was victim of 'predatory' gambling industry (https://www.hulldailymail.co.uk/news/hull-east-yorkshire-news/heartbroken-parents-say-hull-teacher-6755181). Whom to blame for this sad incident ?

Why not try to find the root cause here first. Where were the parents when their 16 years old son was addicted to gambling ? They should have monitored his activities and this situation would not have been raised. You cannot blame the doctors on insufficient medical treatments when the son could have been taught at home to avoid excessive gambling. I would consider it negligence on parents' behalf as it was their first duty to keep an eye on their children.

As for me, parents have a huge part and negligence in what happened to their son. Yes, they might be too busy pursuing their duties and responsibility as parents but they should have enlightened their child as early as possible about the risks of gambling. They should have told him the possible things that might happen due to gambling addiction. It's hard to monitor kids 24/7 but we should also be aware of what they're doing. It might be hard but a 16-year-old boy still need to be guided  


Title: Re: Blame Game in gambling
Post by: Questat on March 09, 2022, 03:01:39 PM
The blame game should only be on us, parents are to be blamed if they'll allow their children to gamble or if they have no idea their children are gambling. It's a matter of responsibility, we all know that gambling is risky, and gambling without understanding the risk will most likely result to a devastated life.


Title: Re: Blame Game in gambling
Post by: seoincorporation on March 09, 2022, 03:19:25 PM
The blame game should only be on us, parents are to be blamed if they'll allow their children to gamble or if they have no idea their children are gambling. It's a matter of responsibility, we all know that gambling is risky, and gambling without understanding the risk will most likely result to a devastated life.

We can't blame the family or the game, it was all the factors together. We should ask ourselves what happen in his mind to take the suicidal decision and we can be sure it was more than 1 factor. We don't know about the Debts he had or how much was his total loss with gambling. But when someone takes a decision as this guy did, it's because things were really fucked up.


Title: Re: Blame Game in gambling
Post by: acroman08 on March 09, 2022, 03:56:47 PM
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like I said before on the previous thread that was locked. "I agree with the parents regarding the inadequate gambling treatment and medicines but it is unfair to solely blame everything on it.". but solely blaming the parents is also unfair. a lot of factors could contribute as to why they weren't able to monitor their son's activity. also judging by the article it seems that did they seek help once knew about the problem.


Title: Re: Blame Game in gambling
Post by: mrongoz_imut on March 09, 2022, 04:12:07 PM
For all parent need controlling about your kids and exactly when your kids have know about internet site and know with cryptocurrency or have access with gambling site, let her your kids keep study and educate them with risk when start gambling because they can't loss everything. Before late better give education for our kids keep away from gambling site and ask them keep them on good moment for playing with their friend and give them more busy with studying than become kids gambler.


Title: Re: Blame Game in gambling
Post by: fiulpro on March 09, 2022, 06:33:29 PM
If the parents knew that he was getting addicted then they should have sought better options for him but it's highlighted in the text that they didn't have much choice in that section since the therapy and other medical options are not very effective. I do think this can vary country to country as well also based on the economic situation of every person who can afford the treatment or no.

First and foremost I do think instead of sliding it away one should consider taking care of the whole situation and educating the kids at a considerable age, which also means finding out the red flags and working according to them, making sure they know what it is and what they are doing. It's not just the fault of gambling industry but of the parents, the medical care available and ofc the guy who died as well.


Title: Re: Blame Game in gambling
Post by: milewilda on March 09, 2022, 07:27:07 PM
Heartbroken parents say Hull teacher was victim of 'predatory' gambling industry (https://www.hulldailymail.co.uk/news/hull-east-yorkshire-news/heartbroken-parents-say-hull-teacher-6755181). Whom to blame for this sad incident ?

Why not try to find the root cause here first. Where were the parents when their 16 years old son was addicted to gambling ? They should have monitored his activities and this situation would not have raised. You cannot blame the doctors on insufficient medical treatments when the son could have be taught at home to avoid excessive gambling. I would consider it a negligence on parents behalf as it was their first duty to keep an eye on their children.
You could blame them off or not because this is very situational because there are really instances that parenting isnt the issue because there are children which had been taught on the right way
but still ending up on avoiding it and goes on things due to some influence from other people like his classmates or what  which parenting could neither be effective or not but its ttue that
being monitored is part of responsible parenting but it wouldnt really be that 100% that you could able to avoid such instances because not all children will be having that kind of
behavior towards on how they do react on things.


Title: Re: Blame Game in gambling
Post by: timerland on March 09, 2022, 07:43:18 PM
The problem is that a lot of the times, the gambling industry gets a lot of flak for when things do go wrong.

And the blame as you said is disproportionately laid on the operators, who are simply providing a service, as compared to other factors like intrinsic motivation of the person themselves.

A casino should be compliant with all rules and regulations of the jurisdiction they reside in, including any sort of voluntary exclusion principles. But just with any service, there is room for abuse and unfortunately not all cases can be prevented.


Title: Re: Blame Game in gambling
Post by: wildan88 on March 09, 2022, 07:44:54 PM
Heartbroken parents say Hull teacher was victim of 'predatory' gambling industry (https://www.hulldailymail.co.uk/news/hull-east-yorkshire-news/heartbroken-parents-say-hull-teacher-6755181). Whom to blame for this sad incident ?

Why not try to find the root cause here first. Where were the parents when their 16 years old son was addicted to gambling ? They should have monitored his activities and this situation would not have raised. You cannot blame the doctors on insufficient medical treatments when the son could have be taught at home to avoid excessive gambling. I would consider it a negligence on parents behalf as it was their first duty to keep an eye on their children.

Many similar situations have already arisen in the world. It is difficult to point to one culprit. Problem gamblers create a world for themselves, and also seem to handle it professionally to keep it as hidden as possible. You also want to give your child some confidence. And if no alarm bells are ringing, try and find out. Often the parents are also completely unfamiliar with online gambling, because it was much less popular in their time. It is difficult to understand someone who is a gambling addict if you are not sensitive to it yourself.


Title: Re: Blame Game in gambling
Post by: Theones on March 09, 2022, 08:06:15 PM
The blame game should only be on us, parents are to be blamed if they'll allow their children to gamble or if they have no idea their children are gambling. It's a matter of responsibility, we all know that gambling is risky, and gambling without understanding the risk will most likely result to a devastated life.

We can't blame the family or the game, it was all the factors together. We should ask ourselves what happen in his mind to take the suicidal decision and we can be sure it was more than 1 factor. We don't know about the Debts he had or how much was his total loss with gambling. But when someone takes a decision as this guy did, it's because things were really fucked up.
Very right. We cannot blame parents because their kid did something wrong. I dont think any parent would want their kid to do anything wrong, having said this parent are not alway seeing and keeping eye on their kids. The choices made by the kids are solely their own free will. One something is done wrong - blame game starts. The parents are already in trouble let's not make thing worse for them. And may God show us all the right path. Ameen


Title: Re: Blame Game in gambling
Post by: sunsilk on March 09, 2022, 08:13:57 PM
When the situation is too damn hard, you really can blame anyone that you see.

Very right. We cannot blame parents because their kid did something wrong. I dont think any parent would want their kid to do anything wrong, having said this parent are not alway seeing and keeping eye on their kids. The choices made by the kids are solely their own free will. One something is done wrong - blame game starts. The parents are already in trouble let's not make thing worse for them. And may God show us all the right path. Ameen
That's victim blaming and it's understandable why they're having that feeling. It's really a choice of free will and any choice being done by the kid, he's aware of the possible consequences that he might receive after gambling.

It's always gambling that has this result when people turns an event to something bad.


Title: Re: Blame Game in gambling
Post by: uneng on March 09, 2022, 08:18:53 PM
This was a tragedy. It's understandable parents blame the gambling industry, because they are too hurted by the death of their son and the so many years battling against addiction. These people aren't in emotional conditions to argue anything about this topic.

And sadly, the young man felt too guilty, shameful and hopeless for his addiction that he ended his own life.

It's hard to say how this could be avoided, because we don't really know how it was the relationship he had with parents, friends and the treatment he was having access to. The only known fact at this point is the pain the family is feeling for this tragedy.


Title: Re: Blame Game in gambling
Post by: jostorres on March 09, 2022, 08:21:29 PM
Well ultimately the one to blame would be the person involved themselves, the rest are just third parties with some degree of influence to the party involved, emphasis on the "some". Sure parents can actively involve themselves in educating their kid, but in the end, it would still be the kid themselves who would decide if he would do something or not. As I said in a previous thread before, influence can be long-lasting but at the same time, it could also be not. A person can choose what they  can be influenced on imo.
If only parents did a good thing to their kids, the kids will also do the same but as you said it cant be long-lasting, I think I can agree with that. It's not only our parents that we see around us so we can also get other/different kinds of influences including the bad ones.

You are right again that it's up to the person if he will follow the bad influence that he heard on the people around him or he will stay the same, following the right things that his people taught him before. Sometimes it's hard to monitor kids because they can be wiser than their parents. They can sneak gambling anytime and they can lie as well so their parents will have no idea what their kids are going through.


Title: Re: Blame Game in gambling
Post by: bitbollo on March 09, 2022, 08:25:22 PM
Heartbroken parents say Hull teacher was victim of 'predatory' gambling industry (https://www.hulldailymail.co.uk/news/hull-east-yorkshire-news/heartbroken-parents-say-hull-teacher-6755181). Whom to blame for this sad incident ?

Why not try to find the root cause here first. Where were the parents when their 16 years old son was addicted to gambling ? They should have monitored his activities and this situation would not have raised. You cannot blame the doctors on insufficient medical treatments when the son could have be taught at home to avoid excessive gambling. I would consider it a negligence on parents behalf as it was their first duty to keep an eye on their children.

We have to understand the role of modern society.
Maybe the parents were just working with a busy life ;D like everyone with a basic job ?

Every industry should be regulated there isn't nothing to say more.
The industry can't regulate itself. It's clear that some rules should be added
In my country (EU- Italy) they have made illegal promo on tv for all betting service since there was an aggressive promotion all day long in all channels at all time.


Title: Re: Blame Game in gambling
Post by: chaser15 on March 09, 2022, 09:35:56 PM
Heartbroken parents say Hull teacher was victim of 'predatory' gambling industry (https://www.hulldailymail.co.uk/news/hull-east-yorkshire-news/heartbroken-parents-say-hull-teacher-6755181). Whom to blame for this sad incident ?

Why not try to find the root cause here first. Where were the parents when their 16 years old son was addicted to gambling ? They should have monitored his activities and this situation would not have raised. You cannot blame the doctors on insufficient medical treatments when the son could have be taught at home to avoid excessive gambling. I would consider it a negligence on parents behalf as it was their first duty to keep an eye on their children.

Then you are saying we should blame the parents? That's unacceptable. Not all the time our parents should be there to keep us monitored. And even if they did, do you actually believe they can monitor all our activities especially if we want to hide something?

A 16-year-old person should already have the knowledge and know the difference between do's and don't. I know they are in the stage of curiosity but blaming the parents because of what happened is totally out of the discussion.

Since it's already happened, the best thing to do is to help their son get to recover instead of doing a blaming game like what you are doing OP.


Title: Re: Blame Game in gambling
Post by: Johnyz on March 09, 2022, 09:36:20 PM
This is an unfortunate event to expose the underaged in gambling, they are really prone to addiction since they can’t still control their emotion correctly so I also believe that, their own family should be the first one to guide him and teach him about the pros and cons of gambling.

 That’s 16 years old is still under the same house of his parents, proper guidance is the key here and we should not blame anyone. This is the problem when there’s no KYC on a gambling site, Underaged can easily play on their system even if its not allowed.


Title: Re: Blame Game in gambling
Post by: passwordnow on March 09, 2022, 09:42:37 PM
The problem is that a lot of the times, the gambling industry gets a lot of flak for when things do go wrong.

And the blame as you said is disproportionately laid on the operators, who are simply providing a service, as compared to other factors like intrinsic motivation of the person themselves.

A casino should be compliant with all rules and regulations of the jurisdiction they reside in, including any sort of voluntary exclusion principles. But just with any service, there is room for abuse and unfortunately not all cases can be prevented.
I agree.
When there's an unfortunate situation like this happens, all the blame goes to the operators and casinos that anyone is free to enter and gamble. I don't blame anyone if the parents are thinking like that. They're protective and they know what's best for their children but as usual, this would always be the case for the casino. They're always the bad actors when someone struggles with addiction.


Title: Re: Blame Game in gambling
Post by: Hamphser on March 09, 2022, 09:45:17 PM
The blame game should only be on us, parents are to be blamed if they'll allow their children to gamble or if they have no idea their children are gambling. It's a matter of responsibility, we all know that gambling is risky, and gambling without understanding the risk will most likely result to a devastated life.
Blaming will not lead into a solution, there should be proper guidance from parents as well a proper monitoring from the hospital to update  the parents if the family seek medical helps. And a much stricter implementation of KYC in terms of age restrictions in gambling especially now that casinos are easily accessible via internet. Its a community that embodies the need to seek solution for every young gamblers who got their life wasted due to addiction.
Now that crypto market exist specially on gambling industry on which KYC isnt really that imposed or compulsory then this is where things becomes more easier for kids to play easily since it isnt really needing something like this.
Guidance from their guardians or parents would really be that needed because if you have told them and made them realized that gambling is bad specially if addiction do
comes which is important for them to know on.Blaming the parents wouldnt really be that right anytime because  there are kids which are stubborn.


Title: Re: Blame Game in gambling
Post by: adzino on March 09, 2022, 10:55:52 PM
Both are to be blamed. But the parents should have kept a better eye on their son. They should have known what he was doing or browsing on the internet. I bet the same parent would have been happy if their son made massive life changing profit. They would have never said anything against gambling in this case. Wouldn't be surprised if they said they are "proud" of their son. The gambling industry is to be blamed because they sometimes lure people into gambling by showing advertisements that are sometimes very misleading. Every gambling advertisements should come with  disclaimer stating the bad sides of gambling.


Title: Re: Blame Game in gambling
Post by: Fatunad on March 09, 2022, 10:59:19 PM
Both are to be blamed. But the parents should have kept a better eye on their son. They should have known what he was doing or browsing on the internet. I bet the same parent would have been happy if their son made massive life changing profit. They would have never said anything against gambling in this case. Wouldn't be surprised if they said they are "proud" of their son. The gambling industry is to be blamed because they sometimes lure people into gambling by showing advertisements that are sometimes very misleading. Every gambling advertisements should come with  disclaimer stating the bad sides of gambling.
You wouldnt seen any disclaimer when it comes to gambling advertisement which is something that very common or standard on which parenting would really play a great role on how you would
able to raise up your kids which is really out of those possible addiction gambling risks that might be experienced ahead. Parenting couldn't be perfect though because not all the times you would
able to monitor your children which there might be some small gap of window on which they could make dealings or involvement which might really becomes worst overtime.


Title: Re: Blame Game in gambling
Post by: Uang_kartal on March 09, 2022, 11:06:42 PM
actually it depends on the permission of each country to access any game, indeed this is intended for 18+, of course it is not allowed for those who are still small children because mentally they can't be held accountable both in terms of mindset and actions, this needs to be underlined by the company give rewards of any kind just to complete and enliven. this is only an option the company does not force to create an account and play for hours or longer than that. Like any game, you are free to choose it anytime in your spare time


Title: Re: Blame Game in gambling
Post by: agustina2 on March 09, 2022, 11:12:05 PM
Why not try to find the root cause here first. Where were the parents when their 16 years old son was addicted to gambling ? They should have monitored his activities and this situation would not have raised. You cannot blame the doctors on insufficient medical treatments when the son could have be taught at home to avoid excessive gambling. I would consider it a negligence on parents behalf as it was their first duty to keep an eye on their children.

Keep an eye on a 16-year-old son? It's almost close to legal age. I found it weird that parents will always follow their son's activities all the time during that age.

Don't blame the parents but even with how strict the parents are, you have no way to avoid gambling while growing up. Just take a look outside and there's a thing there that can introduce gambling. Even with just simple browsing on social media, you can encounter gambling.

If things are that easy where parents just have to monitor their 16-year old son and he will now be saved from doing gambling, then we shouldn't see the gambling problem nowadays. Blame ourselves for that.


Title: Re: Blame Game in gambling
Post by: Darker45 on March 10, 2022, 01:29:03 AM
I don't think the child was already a gambling addict when he was still 16 or 17. But he must have already started to develop his love for betting at that very young age. It's unfortunate that his parents were not able to detect his interest in gambling. He should have been given sufficient reminder of its risk and danger.

Anyway, I don't think we can put the blame on a single party. We cannot entirely blame the victim here, his parents, the regulators, nor the gambling industry. It's not as if only one party has the responsibility. They all must have somehow contributed to the factors leading to the death of Jack.


Title: Re: Blame Game in gambling
Post by: ralle14 on March 10, 2022, 01:52:51 AM
And a much stricter implementation of KYC in terms of age restrictions in gambling especially now that casinos are easily accessible via internet.
With so many ways to gamble nowadays, I doubt pushing KYC to most casinos would put a stop to this knowing others would just switch to another casino that offers fewer restrictions. IMO one of the better ways to handle it is by taking the initiative and do it yourself rather than relying on the rules as you can easily get tempted when you lack self control.

If things are that easy where parents just have to monitor their 16-year old son and he will now be saved from doing gambling, then we shouldn't see the gambling problem nowadays. Blame ourselves for that.
It's possible that certain gamblers can be saved by their family even though it's not guaranteed I still think that others would be encouraged to stop for good.


Title: Re: Blame Game in gambling
Post by: michellee on March 10, 2022, 04:36:09 AM
Most parents will blame someone else for making their child wrong without seeing it all and asking why it happened. If parents can monitor their children's activities properly, I am sure their children will not make fatal mistakes, let alone become addicted to gambling. The task of parents is very heavy in educating their children. Still, most parents nowadays, who are very concerned with social media status, have become less aware of their children's activities. I see some very busy parents prefer to buy something for their child and provide the facilities their child needs while they do not monitor the extent to which the facility is functioning well for their child.

It requires awareness from parents and children. Communication between them is needed so that parents and children can understand how to avoid actions that will turn into fatal mistakes. The point is that communication is rare between parents and children.


Title: Re: Blame Game in gambling
Post by: jrrsparkles on March 10, 2022, 05:21:24 AM
Heartbroken parents say Hull teacher was victim of 'predatory' gambling industry (https://www.hulldailymail.co.uk/news/hull-east-yorkshire-news/heartbroken-parents-say-hull-teacher-6755181). Whom to blame for this sad incident ?

Why not try to find the root cause here first. Where were the parents when their 16 years old son was addicted to gambling ? They should have monitored his activities and this situation would not have raised. You cannot blame the doctors on insufficient medical treatments when the son could have be taught at home to avoid excessive gambling. I would consider it a negligence on parents behalf as it was their first duty to keep an eye on their children.
Modern day working parents actually don't have anytime to take care of their kids and with the help of internet kids learn bad things too faster than good thing, we can't actually blame anyone the kid even 16 years only still they're not babies they can know what is good and bad for them. Instead of finding the root cause we need to know how to recover that kid from addiction and its more easier as well than old adults if I am not wrong.


Title: Re: Blame Game in gambling
Post by: Jawhead999 on March 10, 2022, 05:32:47 AM
actually it depends on the permission of each country to access any game, indeed this is intended for 18+, of course it is not allowed for those who are still small children
How can the casino know how old are you when you didn't even submitted your birth date or ID? Not to mention the boy can just submit fake birth date and using their parents ID. It's all depends on the player, in internet anything can be searched and they only offer it, so you need have own mindset to know which is good and bad for you.

However parents shouldn't really strict with their children because they wouldn't listen to you and will do anything behind you.


Title: Re: Blame Game in gambling
Post by: bittraffic on March 10, 2022, 06:13:32 AM

Times have changed. 20 years ago, kids are not trying to go out of their homes anymore but sticks thier faces in front of the monitor making them less experience in real life. Some of these kids can't tell something that affects their emotions and identify disorders anymore. It's up to parents to make them learn.

I can understand though that parents will find ways to look for someone to blame rather than themselves. Of course, they won't say it's their fault. But it's really the kid that has to overcome that problem out himself.


Title: Re: Blame Game in gambling
Post by: Peanutswar on March 10, 2022, 06:46:48 AM
People now are aware of the technology and the internet so most of their parents now are leaving their children at an early age within their gadgets and by that, they can self-aware about the things on the internet such as gambling, the role of the parents must restrict their children and guide them because sometimes they don't know what's really doing of their child imagine at a very young age get addicted to the online gambling it's not suitable at the very young age. Better to help their child than blame each other because its about the mental health of the child.


Title: Re: Blame Game in gambling
Post by: acroman08 on March 10, 2022, 07:37:18 AM
Anyway, I don't think we can put the blame on a single party. We cannot entirely blame the victim here, his parents, the regulators, nor the gambling industry. It's not as if only one party has the responsibility. They all must have somehow contributed to the factors leading to the death of Jack.
I agree with this. we can't put blame on a single party. that being said, all of them should step up(parents, regulators, and the gambling industry) if they don't want another "jack" falling victim to gambling addiction. it is sad seeing a young man with a lot of years ahead of him ruin his life and future because of becoming addicted to gambling.


Title: Re: Blame Game in gambling
Post by: Fortify on March 10, 2022, 07:49:15 AM
Heartbroken parents say Hull teacher was victim of 'predatory' gambling industry (https://www.hulldailymail.co.uk/news/hull-east-yorkshire-news/heartbroken-parents-say-hull-teacher-6755181). Whom to blame for this sad incident ?

Why not try to find the root cause here first. Where were the parents when their 16 years old son was addicted to gambling ? They should have monitored his activities and this situation would not have raised. You cannot blame the doctors on insufficient medical treatments when the son could have be taught at home to avoid excessive gambling. I would consider it a negligence on parents behalf as it was their first duty to keep an eye on their children.

You're right that there is likely some other underlying cause that drives people to gamble and figuring this out is super important if the person is ever to be free. It's the same with most addictions, at least the the beginning, there will be a reason that someone got into it - might be peer pressure or simply wanting to do what friends do, it might be a "fun" experience at the start, it might alleviate the feeling of boredom, it might be the buzz from winning, maybe it reminds them of a childhood with parents or many other things. Unfortunately at that age the human brain is still learning and developing, so it can be affected more heavily than an older person - whatever institution allowed them to gamble or provided machines without age protection are definitely somewhat responsible.


Title: Re: Blame Game in gambling
Post by: delfastTions on March 10, 2022, 08:04:39 AM
People now are aware of the technology and the internet so most of their parents now are leaving their children at an early age within their gadgets and by that, they can self-aware about the things on the internet such as gambling, the role of the parents must restrict their children and guide them because sometimes they don't know what's really doing of their child imagine at a very young age get addicted to the online gambling it's not suitable at the very young age. Better to help their child than blame each other because its about the mental health of the child.
What you are talking about is certainly correct. 
However, life is not so easy to do.  The problem here is, firstly, that children learn the Internet and all the possibilities of using it very early.  And adults are often less versed in this matter.  And secondly, a child over the age of 13-14 generally stops obeying his parents and all adults.  Anyone who has raised children to adulthood knows how nasty and uncontrollable they become.  So it's hard to forbid them not to play online gambling. 
This is a rather difficult problem for all parents in the world.


Title: Re: Blame Game in gambling
Post by: Peanutswar on March 10, 2022, 09:15:42 AM
People now are aware of the technology and the internet so most of their parents now are leaving their children at an early age within their gadgets and by that, they can self-aware about the things on the internet such as gambling, the role of the parents must restrict their children and guide them because sometimes they don't know what's really doing of their child imagine at a very young age get addicted to the online gambling it's not suitable at the very young age. Better to help their child than blame each other because its about the mental health of the child.
What you are talking about is certainly correct. 
However, life is not so easy to do.  The problem here is, firstly, that children learn the Internet and all the possibilities of using it very early.  And adults are often less versed in this matter.  And secondly, a child over the age of 13-14 generally stops obeying his parents and all adults.  Anyone who has raised children to adulthood knows how nasty and uncontrollable they become.  So it's hard to forbid them not to play online gambling. 
This is a rather difficult problem for all parents in the world.

I guess still depends on the nature of the child and parents' environment in some point if the parents do not gives too much attention to their child probably they cant have this kind of problem it is responsible of the parents to guide their children and even though its different story how they grow still the child must follow its parents no matter what happen this is the reason why at the early age better to know the child to follow on its parents command and what is right and wrong. At the end of this parents the one who help their child brings back to its normal state.


Title: Re: Blame Game in gambling
Post by: mrongoz_imut on March 10, 2022, 09:38:09 AM
People now are aware of the technology and the internet so most of their parents now are leaving their children at an early age within their gadgets and by that, they can self-aware about the things on the internet such as gambling, the role of the parents must restrict their children and guide them because sometimes they don't know what's really doing of their child imagine at a very young age get addicted to the online gambling it's not suitable at the very young age. Better to help their child than blame each other because its about the mental health of the child.
Almost parent not really controlling about what internet access trough by his children just giving them mobile phone and not any have ideas about which one site could access by his children. I think most important how to educate their children exactly with gambling site and better ask them for keep away from gambling site because is not have good effect for children, they still need guide which one good and bad on internet world and gabling is not looking as best thing for children keep try to access although they have know with gambling but ask them for leaving with gambling world.


Title: Re: Blame Game in gambling
Post by: rhomelmabini on March 10, 2022, 10:05:14 AM
People now are aware of the technology and the internet so most of their parents now are leaving their children at an early age within their gadgets and by that, they can self-aware about the things on the internet such as gambling, the role of the parents must restrict their children and guide them because sometimes they don't know what's really doing of their child imagine at a very young age get addicted to the online gambling it's not suitable at the very young age. Better to help their child than blame each other because its about the mental health of the child.
Parenting these days needs to be extra vigilant compare to the traditional one, it's the time as well we've likely to have snowflake minded kids and can't even fathom a delayed gratification, they'd tantrum over silly things. We can't judge how they raise their child/Ren since we don't know ourselves what we will do in the future.

These internet age, you need to be techie as well and as far as I know there's a gadget to monitor every child and to filter out these bad actor apps and similar things like gambling. It's more like a filtering thing for what you can browse on a phone especially if it's for your child.


Title: Re: Blame Game in gambling
Post by: arwin100 on March 10, 2022, 11:36:33 AM
People now are aware of the technology and the internet so most of their parents now are leaving their children at an early age within their gadgets and by that, they can self-aware about the things on the internet such as gambling, the role of the parents must restrict their children and guide them because sometimes they don't know what's really doing of their child imagine at a very young age get addicted to the online gambling it's not suitable at the very young age. Better to help their child than blame each other because its about the mental health of the child.
Parenting these days needs to be extra vigilant compare to the traditional one, it's the time as well we've likely to have snowflake minded kids and can't even fathom a delayed gratification, they'd tantrum over silly things. We can't judge how they raise their child/Ren since we don't know ourselves what we will do in the future.

These internet age, you need to be techie as well and as far as I know there's a gadget to monitor every child and to filter out these bad actor apps and similar things like gambling. It's more like a filtering thing for what you can browse on a phone especially if it's for your child.

Childrens has a lot of access of everything over the net that's why its good for them to watch their child on what they are doing on internet because if they let them do whatever they want then provably this cases will still happen and worse their children will engage on illegal things at early age. Parents should explain and educate their child about huge risk and other things bothering in their mind because curiosity will always happen especially when children are misguided.


Title: Re: Blame Game in gambling
Post by: rhomelmabini on March 10, 2022, 12:07:16 PM
People now are aware of the technology and the internet so most of their parents now are leaving their children at an early age within their gadgets and by that, they can self-aware about the things on the internet such as gambling, the role of the parents must restrict their children and guide them because sometimes they don't know what's really doing of their child imagine at a very young age get addicted to the online gambling it's not suitable at the very young age. Better to help their child than blame each other because its about the mental health of the child.
Parenting these days needs to be extra vigilant compare to the traditional one, it's the time as well we've likely to have snowflake minded kids and can't even fathom a delayed gratification, they'd tantrum over silly things. We can't judge how they raise their child/Ren since we don't know ourselves what we will do in the future.

These internet age, you need to be techie as well and as far as I know there's a gadget to monitor every child and to filter out these bad actor apps and similar things like gambling. It's more like a filtering thing for what you can browse on a phone especially if it's for your child.
Childrens has a lot of access of everything over the net that's why its good for them to watch their child on what they are doing on internet because if they let them do whatever they want then provably this cases will still happen and worse their children will engage on illegal things at early age. Parents should explain and educate their child about huge risk and other things bothering in their mind because curiosity will always happen especially when children are misguided.
Parent was still the overseer of things and if they let slide even a thing or two it will just have snowball effect on children's future even if it's not that huge. Nowadays even if there's a good parenting if peers was more to influence a child, that wouldn't matter at all. It's more like the magnet of the bad influence by peers even if how good you are at parenting, so, it's best to not just educate them but you need to always check them everyday until they're fine to decide on their own.


Title: Re: Blame Game in gambling
Post by: robelneo on March 10, 2022, 12:24:58 PM
People now are aware of the technology and the internet so most of their parents now are leaving their children at an early age within their gadgets and by that, they can self-aware about the things on the internet such as gambling, the role of the parents must restrict their children and guide them because sometimes they don't know what's really doing of their child imagine at a very young age get addicted to the online gambling it's not suitable at the very young age. Better to help their child than blame each other because its about the mental health of the child.
Parenting these days needs to be extra vigilant compare to the traditional one, it's the time as well we've likely to have snowflake minded kids and can't even fathom a delayed gratification, they'd tantrum over silly things. We can't judge how they raise their child/Ren since we don't know ourselves what we will do in the future.

These internet age, you need to be techie as well and as far as I know there's a gadget to monitor every child and to filter out these bad actor apps and similar things like gambling. It's more like a filtering thing for what you can browse on a phone especially if it's for your child.

Childrens has a lot of access of everything over the net that's why its good for them to watch their child on what they are doing on internet because if they let them do whatever they want then provably this cases will still happen and worse their children will engage on illegal things at early age. Parents should explain and educate their child about huge risk and other things bothering in their mind because curiosity will always happen especially when children are misguided.

The internet has made everything so easy and parents should be aware of the power of the internet, parents should always check the history of what their child is doing online, everything starts out of curiosity, check if they are checking casinos or tutorials about casinos or they are betting or acquiring assets using money on gaming, some compulsive gamblers started as a gamer, when gaming cannot sustain them, they level up by playing on casinos and this is where the problem starts.


Title: Re: Blame Game in gambling
Post by: xSkylarx on March 10, 2022, 12:27:46 PM
People now are aware of the technology and the internet so most of their parents now are leaving their children at an early age within their gadgets and by that, they can self-aware about the things on the internet such as gambling, the role of the parents must restrict their children and guide them because sometimes they don't know what's really doing of their child imagine at a very young age get addicted to the online gambling it's not suitable at the very young age. Better to help their child than blame each other because its about the mental health of the child.
Parenting these days needs to be extra vigilant compare to the traditional one, it's the time as well we've likely to have snowflake minded kids and can't even fathom a delayed gratification, they'd tantrum over silly things. We can't judge how they raise their child/Ren since we don't know ourselves what we will do in the future.

These internet age, you need to be techie as well and as far as I know there's a gadget to monitor every child and to filter out these bad actor apps and similar things like gambling. It's more like a filtering thing for what you can browse on a phone especially if it's for your child.
Childrens has a lot of access of everything over the net that's why its good for them to watch their child on what they are doing on internet because if they let them do whatever they want then provably this cases will still happen and worse their children will engage on illegal things at early age. Parents should explain and educate their child about huge risk and other things bothering in their mind because curiosity will always happen especially when children are misguided.
Parent was still the overseer of things and if they let slide even a thing or two it will just have snowball effect on children's future even if it's not that huge. Nowadays even if there's a good parenting if peers was more to influence a child, that wouldn't matter at all. It's more like the magnet of the bad influence by peers even if how good you are at parenting, so, it's best to not just educate them but you need to always check them everyday until they're fine to decide on their own.

Assuming that the parents discipline their children properly, I agree that this is important. If the parents do not discipline their children properly, the child will inevitably end up in a bad situation. Influence from bad friends is also a problem, and I understand that we can't prevent it, but we must talk to them about it and ensure that they listen to what we have to say. Because of this, we must inform them of the negative and positive aspects of their actions, as well as the consequences of their actions while they are still young.


Title: Re: Blame Game in gambling
Post by: safari88 on March 10, 2022, 12:35:18 PM
I understand why almost all of the users replied that parental negligence is a major factor why this has happened, and I would also agree on that. Regardless of the busy schedule, distance, the age of the children, your siblings and basically anyone in the family, parents and other family members must check on one another from time to time. A simple how are you could make a difference, and even more advices that would leave an impact on them to have realizations on the things that they are currently doing. Depression is proven to be diagnosed, but it is not something that can be just easily determined, thus its cure would be a collaborative effort of the experts and the patients themselves.


Title: Re: Blame Game in gambling
Post by: Kemarit on March 10, 2022, 12:39:17 PM
People now are aware of the technology and the internet so most of their parents now are leaving their children at an early age within their gadgets and by that, they can self-aware about the things on the internet such as gambling, the role of the parents must restrict their children and guide them because sometimes they don't know what's really doing of their child imagine at a very young age get addicted to the online gambling it's not suitable at the very young age. Better to help their child than blame each other because its about the mental health of the child.

That's one down sized of technology in the last 10-20 years, the tablets and the phones are now their "best friends" and it's really hard for the parents to control and monitor what their child is doing. So it really comes down to responsibility and extend some efforts to guide and shape your children. Because the moment you let the gadgets took over their lives, sooner or later you can't really control them, not just for gambling but any other stuff that will corrupt their young minds.


Title: Re: Blame Game in gambling
Post by: madnessteat on March 10, 2022, 12:41:37 PM
People now are aware of the technology and the internet so most of their parents now are leaving their children at an early age within their gadgets and by that, they can self-aware about the things on the internet such as gambling, the role of the parents must restrict their children and guide them because sometimes they don't know what's really doing of their child imagine at a very young age get addicted to the online gambling it's not suitable at the very young age. Better to help their child than blame each other because its about the mental health of the child.
Parenting these days needs to be extra vigilant compare to the traditional one, it's the time as well we've likely to have snowflake minded kids and can't even fathom a delayed gratification, they'd tantrum over silly things. We can't judge how they raise their child/Ren since we don't know ourselves what we will do in the future.

These internet age, you need to be techie as well and as far as I know there's a gadget to monitor every child and to filter out these bad actor apps and similar things like gambling. It's more like a filtering thing for what you can browse on a phone especially if it's for your child.
Childrens has a lot of access of everything over the net that's why its good for them to watch their child on what they are doing on internet because if they let them do whatever they want then provably this cases will still happen and worse their children will engage on illegal things at early age. Parents should explain and educate their child about huge risk and other things bothering in their mind because curiosity will always happen especially when children are misguided.
Parent was still the overseer of things and if they let slide even a thing or two it will just have snowball effect on children's future even if it's not that huge. Nowadays even if there's a good parenting if peers was more to influence a child, that wouldn't matter at all. It's more like the magnet of the bad influence by peers even if how good you are at parenting, so, it's best to not just educate them but you need to always check them everyday until they're fine to decide on their own.

Assuming that the parents discipline their children properly, I agree that this is important. If the parents do not discipline their children properly, the child will inevitably end up in a bad situation. Influence from bad friends is also a problem, and I understand that we can't prevent it, but we must talk to them about it and ensure that they listen to what we have to say. Because of this, we must inform them of the negative and positive aspects of their actions, as well as the consequences of their actions while they are still young.

No matter how much you might want to pass on your own experience to your children, it's a difficult task. Very often children in adolescence are left to themselves because their parents are always busy at work and they do not have the physical ability to control what their child is interested in.

Even if you control the child's devices, he can easily gamble with his friends and it may well grow into a gambling addiction. It's more about the psychological state of each individual. In my childhood I gambled with both peers and adults and now I continue to gamble only online. But I have not become addicted to gambling.


Title: Re: Blame Game in gambling
Post by: Ararbermas on March 10, 2022, 01:36:09 PM
Whom to blame for this sad incident ?
of course the parents not the game IMO, or should i say not the company behind of that gambling because its the parents consideration to take care their son no matter how busy they are.


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" Liz and Charles Ritchie attacked gambling companies"

By the way saw this on that link above, and I was like really?? Is that necessary,?? they don't even think that they have mistake as well why that incident happened.

Well obviously they are not aware that technology nowadays has bad effects especially when it comes mental health.. But still a big mistake to attack the company and put the blame on them because of word addiction.. Lol


Title: Re: Blame Game in gambling
Post by: Gozie51 on March 10, 2022, 02:13:32 PM

Whom to blame for this sad incident ?
of course the parents not the game IMO, or should i say not the company behind of that gambling because its the parents consideration to take care their son no matter how busy they are.



It is going to the parents no matter how you look at it. Surely modernization and urbanization has put pressure on the family making parents to stay outside the home for many days and hours compared to how many hours spent at home because they have to work longer hours to provide for the kids. And with the level of sophisticated technology available, it exposes children to many dangerous vices. Gambling is suppose to be restricted for underaged and parents suppose to watch over there children.


Title: Re: Blame Game in gambling
Post by: Lucasgabd on March 10, 2022, 02:21:57 PM
People now are aware of the technology and the internet so most of their parents now are leaving their children at an early age within their gadgets and by that, they can self-aware about the things on the internet such as gambling, the role of the parents must restrict their children and guide them because sometimes they don't know what's really doing of their child imagine at a very young age get addicted to the online gambling it's not suitable at the very young age. Better to help their child than blame each other because its about the mental health of the child.

totally agree, and a thing that relates to this idea is that some parents on sillicon valley don't let children under certain age (12?) use smartphones and social media
probably a much better way to raise a child, introducing technology over time and teaching the principles and dangers of it,
gambling, social media and some apps can be really addicting.


Title: Re: Blame Game in gambling
Post by: fullhdpixel on March 10, 2022, 02:26:33 PM
People now are aware of the technology and the internet so most of their parents now are leaving their children at an early age within their gadgets and by that, they can self-aware about the things on the internet such as gambling, the role of the parents must restrict their children and guide them because sometimes they don't know what's really doing of their child imagine at a very young age get addicted to the online gambling it's not suitable at the very young age. Better to help their child than blame each other because its about the mental health of the child.
What you are talking about is certainly correct.  
However, life is not so easy to do.  The problem here is, firstly, that children learn the Internet and all the possibilities of using it very early.  And adults are often less versed in this matter.  And secondly, a child over the age of 13-14 generally stops obeying his parents and all adults.  Anyone who has raised children to adulthood knows how nasty and uncontrollable they become.  So it's hard to forbid them not to play online gambling.  
This is a rather difficult problem for all parents in the world.
Like he said people now are aware of the technology, it was different from our time (adults now) when our parents have no idea about it. We learn how to use the internet all by ourselves before but now it was the parents that opens up youtube and handed the tablet or phone to their kids to watch videos. It will start on that and eventually, they will know anything of using the gadget but no doubt that kids nowadays are more rebellious now in their early age compared to the kids in the past.

There is teenage pregnancy that is happening, involvement in illegal drugs, alcohol and obviously, gambling/addiction can be linked to it. Parents now should take extra care with their kids as early as possible.


Title: Re: Blame Game in gambling
Post by: rhomelmabini on March 10, 2022, 03:35:21 PM
I understand why almost all of the users replied that parental negligence is a major factor why this has happened, and I would also agree on that. Regardless of the busy schedule, distance, the age of the children, your siblings and basically anyone in the family, parents and other family members must check on one another from time to time. A simple how are you could make a difference, and even more advices that would leave an impact on them to have realizations on the things that they are currently doing. Depression is proven to be diagnosed, but it is not something that can be just easily determined, thus its cure would be a collaborative effort of the experts and the patients themselves.
You got it right there, somehow I feel like you're a parent now, aren't you? Well, that doesn't matter some are good at advicing when they aren't on that position (pun intended). Not a parent yet but I totally agree that's still on the parents to blame even the case isn't directly pointing at them. I've seen how we grow being disciplined over things and I just realized right now how lucky I've been grounded when I did wrong.

Can't say for sure about depression but it's really dangerous as a cancer, if the case from the OP was pointing at depression then the blame was still at the parents. I just can't help but think how they regret this tragic event to bury their own child, though that wouldn't change at all for them but to those who are still gonna save another child with the same scenario. This should be an eye opener to anyone especially if they're a parent, I am reminding myself as a future parent.


Title: Re: Blame Game in gambling
Post by: qwertyup23 on March 10, 2022, 04:10:29 PM
Heartbroken parents say Hull teacher was victim of 'predatory' gambling industry (https://www.hulldailymail.co.uk/news/hull-east-yorkshire-news/heartbroken-parents-say-hull-teacher-6755181). Whom to blame for this sad incident ?

Why not try to find the root cause here first. Where were the parents when their 16 years old son was addicted to gambling ? They should have monitored his activities and this situation would not have raised. You cannot blame the doctors on insufficient medical treatments when the son could have be taught at home to avoid excessive gambling. I would consider it a negligence on parents behalf as it was their first duty to keep an eye on their children.

Unfortunately, this type and kind of behaviour is common for people who recently lost their loved one due to something that they associate with. For example, if a drug addict unexpectedly dies, the rational behavior and thought is to consider that the latter died from drug addiction or substance abuse. But this is where it gets tricky- what if such person has an ongoing medical disease which is unknown to the parents?

Again, while I significantly emphatize with the parents, you cannot just blatantly expect and blame on gambling. There has to be some sort of explanation on why the son died which may be outside gambling.


Title: Re: Blame Game in gambling
Post by: dothebeats on March 10, 2022, 04:50:39 PM
It's what most irresponsible people do. If they cannot control something, they would blame the next person they see that can be held accountable for thinga they can't control. Parental guidance is extremely important until their kids reach their teenage years. They should still guide and keep an eye out on their children even if they have already grown, and there's no excuse that should be acceptable for negligence on their children.

I feel sorry for their loss, but I think they need a mirror to see that they're also at fault.


Title: Re: Blame Game in gambling
Post by: BITCOIN4X on March 10, 2022, 05:02:26 PM
It's what most irresponsible people do. If they cannot control something, they would blame the next person they see that can be held accountable for thinga they can't control. Parental guidance is extremely important until their kids reach their teenage years. They should still guide and keep an eye out on their children even if they have already grown, and there's no excuse that should be acceptable for negligence on their children.

I feel sorry for their loss, but I think they need a mirror to see that they're also at fault.
They should know what responsible gambling is before they have a problem with gambling. There is no point in blaming the other party especially when they start to realize the true problems that gambling can cause because if they understand the rules then there is no point in babbling.

Casinos are a medium and parents should be aware of any potential that can get their kids addicted so they should guide them properly if they don't want their child to be a gambler. This is their responsibility and they have the right to teach something true.


Title: Re: Blame Game in gambling
Post by: usekevin on March 10, 2022, 07:20:52 PM
Gambling ia not a bad game.Untill you get addicted.When the addiction happened, you will get involve of all the money you having.Even you will inverse the money in gambling by borrowing from your friends.The only avoidable one is you should keep control of your mind after huge loss.Incase you can't handle such things, it's better to quit gambling. When the use of his parents card, they have to find this and stop at the beginning.Everything with beginning was a easy then at end.


Title: Re: Blame Game in gambling
Post by: dunfida on March 10, 2022, 07:38:19 PM
Gambling ia not a bad game.Untill you get addicted.When the addiction happened, you will get involve of all the money you having.Even you will inverse the money in gambling by borrowing from your friends.The only avoidable one is you should keep control of your mind after huge loss.Incase you can't handle such things, it's better to quit gambling. When the use of his parents card, they have to find this and stop at the beginning.Everything with beginning was a easy then at end.
Gambling is for entertainment and it is just people  who do really give out bad impressions to it due to mistakes that they have done due to overspending or totally lost big time.

Parental guidance is crucial yet you are the ones who would really guide out your children on not to engage with gambling in the first place since you do know the possible risk of addiction.
Not only talking about financial aspect but also in emotional and psychological effects into your children which we dont like for it to happen.


Title: Re: Blame Game in gambling
Post by: kaya11 on March 10, 2022, 10:04:05 PM

Same is our stance on everything in life including gambling. We do whatever we like but we do not want our children to do the same things. If parents didn't gamble in the first place, there are fewer chances of their children doing the same.

Damn true, that is why as much as possible we show to them good sides and not the bad ones. This starts when they are little kids, they save memories and what comes to their mind at that age will be remembered for a lifetime. If your children sees you as a gambler, possibility is, they would also be gamblers in the future, so teach them not to be at the young age and the chances would be minimum. I know someone, a hard gambler and his parents are not. So another factor is the community where you raise your children, they could get the habit of gambling with friends and other people they mingle with. Really better to try being a strict parent and see what they up into.


Title: Re: Blame Game in gambling
Post by: Rruchi man on March 10, 2022, 10:23:54 PM
I would consider it a negligence on parents behalf as it was their first duty to keep an eye on their children.
You know some kids are really good at hiding their habits, they know their parents see them as innocent and play pretence to still be innocent even when they are now far from it. So we can't completely push blame the way of the parents. They failed in their role to be observant and keep close tabs on their child, but many others as well including the individual that took his life deserve equal portions of the the blame.

If your children sees you as a gambler, possibility is, they would also be gamblers in the future, so teach them not to be at the young age...

You can't be a gambler and just be teaching your child not to gamble. How is the child suppose to take you seriously if you don't give them critical reasons why it may not be safe for them. Children need reasons these days as they are far too exposed to just tell them not to gamble and they follow you blindly like before. l hope you understand.


Title: Re: Blame Game in gambling
Post by: carlfebz2 on March 10, 2022, 10:48:31 PM

Same is our stance on everything in life including gambling. We do whatever we like but we do not want our children to do the same things. If parents didn't gamble in the first place, there are fewer chances of their children doing the same.

Damn true, that is why as much as possible we show to them good sides and not the bad ones. This starts when they are little kids, they save memories and what comes to their mind at that age will be remembered for a lifetime. If your children sees you as a gambler, possibility is, they would also be gamblers in the future, so teach them not to be at the young age and the chances would be minimum. I know someone, a hard gambler and his parents are not. So another factor is the community where you raise your children, they could get the habit of gambling with friends and other people they mingle with. Really better to try being a strict parent and see what they up into.
All matters on how you do guide them but showing them on what you are or on what you are doing is typically a strong influence which would really be result in most likely they would be following your same path.

Only a few would really able to realize up things that they should not do on what their parents are doing.It is a matter of realization and its better to make them realize when they are just still
young and its true that those things would really remain into their minds forever and wouldnt really be able to forget it.


Title: Re: Blame Game in gambling
Post by: BitcoinAccepted on March 10, 2022, 10:50:45 PM

Same is our stance on everything in life including gambling. We do whatever we like but we do not want our children to do the same things. If parents didn't gamble in the first place, there are fewer chances of their children doing the same.

Damn true, that is why as much as possible we show to them good sides and not the bad ones. This starts when they are little kids, they save memories and what comes to their mind at that age will be remembered for a lifetime. If your children sees you as a gambler, possibility is, they would also be gamblers in the future, so teach them not to be at the young age and the chances would be minimum. I know someone, a hard gambler and his parents are not. So another factor is the community where you raise your children, they could get the habit of gambling with friends and other people they mingle with. Really better to try being a strict parent and see what they up into.
All matters on how you do guide them but showing them on what you are or on what you are doing is typically a strong influence which would really be result in most likely they would be following your same path.

Only a few would really able to realize up things that they should not do on what their parents are doing.It is a matter of realization and its better to make them realize when they are just still
young and its true that those things would really remain into their minds forever and wouldnt really be able to forget it.

Parents can play a vital role in a child's environment. It might also be a good idea to discuss something like this. Sooner or later a child will come into contact with gambling, it does not always have to be online. It can also start in a real land-based casino. But I think it's easier on that. The environment is also determined by a group of friends. If there are a number of friends among them who gamble, then you have to be strong.


Title: Re: Blame Game in gambling
Post by: DoublerHunter on March 10, 2022, 10:56:51 PM

Same is our stance on everything in life including gambling. We do whatever we like but we do not want our children to do the same things. If parents didn't gamble in the first place, there are fewer chances of their children doing the same.

Damn true, that is why as much as possible we show to them good sides and not the bad ones. This starts when they are little kids, they save memories and what comes to their mind at that age will be remembered for a lifetime. If your children sees you as a gambler, possibility is, they would also be gamblers in the future, so teach them not to be at the young age and the chances would be minimum. I know someone, a hard gambler and his parents are not. So another factor is the community where you raise your children, they could get the habit of gambling with friends and other people they mingle with. Really better to try being a strict parent and see what they up into.
^ Both of you are definitely right, it starts with us as parents, we should raise them in a good manner and teach them not on the bad side, let us show them as a good model. If you are not a gambler of course they will not too. You can also control if you are not home about their internet activities like using phone that could be lead to gambling, in your internet router there is a parent control on the device which is you can set there when they will have an internet and it will automatically disconnected the device that they use in time of bed time to in time of studying.


Title: Re: Blame Game in gambling
Post by: AmoreJaz on March 10, 2022, 11:05:19 PM
Parents should accept full responsibility and don't blame external factors that caused this suicide. Parents have to keep control over activities of their children and check his mental health that can be hurt by addictive activities. Twitch gamblers are great example, governments don't want to ban gambling streams for obvious reasons but addicted gamblers get burnt in this trap almost new victim every day. Hopefully, no more suicide news on media related to gambling addiction.

like it or not, parents have great responsibility in molding their kids. discipline starts from home. there are reasons why kids are going into vices and the parents should understand why their kids are behaving that way. they need to address the situation as early as they can. because the truth is, you can't blame it to someone else, like friends or teachers. because it is your responsibility to guide your kids to the right path. no one else will provide unconditional support to your kids but you, as parents.


Title: Re: Blame Game in gambling
Post by: blockman on March 10, 2022, 11:06:03 PM
Parents can play a vital role in a child's environment. It might also be a good idea to discuss something like this. Sooner or later a child will come into contact with gambling, it does not always have to be online. It can also start in a real land-based casino. But I think it's easier on that. The environment is also determined by a group of friends. If there are a number of friends among them who gamble, then you have to be strong.
Not just 'can' but they really play an important role in the growth of their children. They are the parents and they are the ones that are active in the development of their children.
As long as those children are not on the right age, they'll still remain to be children and they cannot enter the premises of the casino. Not unless they've been planning it all along that when they grow up, it's one of their goals to enter the physical casinos.


Title: Re: Blame Game in gambling
Post by: harizen on March 10, 2022, 11:18:03 PM

Even how strict the parents are or put pressure on their child to limit a specific activity, there's no way someone can avoid encountering any related stuff involving gambling. That's already part of society and gambling is everywhere. At an age, roughly 16-year old isn't closely followed now by their parents on their every day's doing. With just a conversation with their friends, there's a chance that gambling might be discussed. Or maybe during their school. And with technology today, everything is on the internet already.

Instead of blaming game, if parents saw their child is acting strangely, have a good talk with them. That's being responsible.

Twitch gamblers are great example, governments don't want to ban gambling streams for obvious reasons but addicted gamblers get burnt in this trap almost new victim every day. Hopefully, no more suicide news on media related to gambling addiction.

That doesn't make sense. Who is the one that needs to adjust? Them or us?


Title: Re: Blame Game in gambling
Post by: TelolettOm on March 10, 2022, 11:19:13 PM
Heartbroken parents say Hull teacher was victim of 'predatory' gambling industry (https://www.hulldailymail.co.uk/news/hull-east-yorkshire-news/heartbroken-parents-say-hull-teacher-6755181). Whom to blame for this sad incident ?
First of all, what is the regulation about gambling in the country? COmmonly, it may be different for eachcountry to allow kids to play gambling i=at certain age.
16YO is still a child in my country and still under the control of parent responsibility, but maybe it is different in the other country.
Sometimes, we cannot control our children 24 hours per day. But at least, we should know what they are doing commonly, especially in their own room or even outside. Because sometimes, they are expert in hiding their secret activities when we are not there.
And about his case, a kid that is addicted to gambling, we should also see from several points of view.
If they are still under the control of parents or responsible from the parents of course, here, parents are the one who is responsible for what happened to the kids. We cannot blame others.
But if the child is considered as a teen with their own responsibility, may be it will also depend on their own responsibility, but I think that parent must also know about this.
The most impriatnt thing is not for blaming each other, ut trying to get the problme solving and solution of the problme, AN dmake this as anevalutaion for all parties.


Title: Re: Blame Game in gambling
Post by: paxmao on March 10, 2022, 11:30:59 PM
It is a complex issue because is a matter of individual choice. It is not as much as the problem being excessive gambling as it is the personality of some people that are more prone to get into a number of situations because they have issues with control. And it can be violence, it can be drugs or anything, it is just that their brain is wired that way and there is not that much anyone can do.


Title: Re: Blame Game in gambling
Post by: kawetsriyanto on March 10, 2022, 11:42:05 PM
I would consider it a negligence on parents behalf as it was their first duty to keep an eye on their children.
Agree. Don't blame the gambling companies, gambling companies didn't force anyone to gamble. It is the parents' responsibility to monitor and educate their children to stay away from dangerous things for children. Most gambling companies only allow mature people to gamble, which means minimizing the addictive cases and making sure the gamblers have sufficient knowledge + self-control. So, the gambling companies actually have done a good regulation in filtering out decent gamblers.



Title: Re: Blame Game in gambling
Post by: Rengga Jati on March 10, 2022, 11:59:09 PM
It is a complex issue because is a matter of individual choice. It is not as much as the problem being excessive gambling as it is the personality of some people that are more prone to get into a number of situations because they have issues with control. And it can be violence, it can be drugs or anything, it is just that their brain is wired that way and there is not that much anyone can do.
Yes, it is complex, it is not only seen from one side mistake that is the parents. But we must consider the early condition why the child is interested in gambling, from where it is, and how he can play gambling. This needs special attention from the parents and also other parties such as the medical treatment are necessary. N need to blame each other. We need to find the solution from the root.
Because, if we only blame the parents because of their responsibility of their own children, we will also not know exactly how parents have tried the efforts to control the children. And we cannot also blame the children because they are playing with joy. Moreover the gambling companies, may give certain advertisements where children can also access it, so they are interested to play.
As parents, we must not also blame others to be responsible. this is complex, this is the responsible also from the parents that should know the exact condition of their children. This needs some evaluation why the chlder ins attracted in gambling and being addicted to gambling. Moroever to kids, this may be difficult to recover, but needs supports from every elemnt, the parents, the kid himslef, and all parties related.


Title: Re: Blame Game in gambling
Post by: ajochems on March 11, 2022, 12:23:51 AM
Not we blame the gambling simply.No one force you to do gambling at any concerns.Doing gambling at your own risk.It's just a luckbased game.Sometimes it bases on a statics.When people with good gambling statics, they can easily win the game.But losing at the game is also a part of it.In some gambling games.Their was a good static and you ca easily learn it. Once you learn it, all the betting is all your success.


Title: Re: Blame Game in gambling
Post by: Saisher on March 11, 2022, 01:19:28 AM
Not we blame the gambling simply.No one force you to do gambling at any concerns.Doing gambling at your own risk.It's just a luckbased game.Sometimes it bases on a statics.When people with good gambling statics, they can easily win the game.But losing at the game is also a part of it.In some gambling games.Their was a good static and you ca easily learn it. Once you learn it, all the betting is all your success.

Casinos have done their part issuing warning to those who signed up and play, they have strong warnings against those who exceed time and pour a lot of money into their casinos, they even had features to protect their players but unfortunately, players will always find a way to ignore and get past those features, in the end, if they suffer from losses they will blame the casinos when everything is pointing to their own action.


Title: Re: Blame Game in gambling
Post by: yazher on March 11, 2022, 01:42:24 AM

Casinos have done their part issuing warning to those who signed up and play, they have strong warnings against those who exceed time and pour a lot of money into their casinos, they even had features to protect their players but unfortunately, players will always find a way to ignore and get past those features, in the end, if they suffer from losses they will blame the casinos when everything is pointing to their own action.

This happened before when a player who gets addicted and lost everything got revenge on the casino he was playing and bring a gun with him shooting anyone he sees there and finally he commits suicide. This is why the casinos nowadays are taking care of their players by issuing those warnings and precautions to avoid such deadly incidents in the future but most players ignored those precautions and proceed to play even though the money is saved for something else.


Title: Re: Blame Game in gambling
Post by: traderethereum on March 11, 2022, 02:46:05 AM
Not we blame the gambling simply.No one force you to do gambling at any concerns.Doing gambling at your own risk.It's just a luckbased game.Sometimes it bases on a statics.When people with good gambling statics, they can easily win the game.But losing at the game is also a part of it.In some gambling games.Their was a good static and you ca easily learn it. Once you learn it, all the betting is all your success.

Casinos have done their part issuing warning to those who signed up and play, they have strong warnings against those who exceed time and pour a lot of money into their casinos, they even had features to protect their players but unfortunately, players will always find a way to ignore and get past those features, in the end, if they suffer from losses they will blame the casinos when everything is pointing to their own action.
That's because players forget the time they have spent playing gambling so subconsciously, they spend more money on gambling.
If players have a good level of control, they will not be affected by anything that happens to them because they know that winning and losing is normal in gambling.
They will stop immediately if they see their playing time is over but that only happens to some players.
Casinos have done their job of warning players.
Now, it is up to the players whether they want to protect themselves from any consequences that will arise from gambling or continue to gamble regardless of the consequences.


Title: Re: Blame Game in gambling
Post by: ralle14 on March 11, 2022, 07:08:02 AM
It is a complex issue because is a matter of individual choice. It is not as much as the problem being excessive gambling as it is the personality of some people that are more prone to get into a number of situations because they have issues with control. And it can be violence, it can be drugs or anything, it is just that their brain is wired that way and there is not that much anyone can do.
Yup, i'm not sure if it was posted here in the gambling discussion but I remember stumbling upon a thread back then that mentioned how most gamblers are vulnerable to excessive gambling since they tend to chase losses or usually look at recovering losses as an objective instead of moving on with it.

Their was a good static and you ca easily learn it. Once you learn it, all the betting is all your success.
There are things that you can quickly learn but applying them is difficult since there are times when you make small mistakes that could lead to bigger ones.


Title: Re: Blame Game in gambling
Post by: zidanw on March 11, 2022, 07:42:28 AM
This happened before when a player who gets addicted and lost everything got revenge on the casino he was playing and bring a gun with him shooting anyone he sees there and finally he commits suicide. This is why the casinos nowadays are taking care of their players by issuing those warnings and precautions to avoid such deadly incidents in the future but most players ignored those precautions and proceed to play even though the money is saved for something else.

It is actually not the casinos problem but the person itself however the casinos can prevent it if they are going to be a little strict in regards with their players but due to competitions like here in the forum gambling sites that is not strict is more favorable than those who implement rules in regards with KYC. It is just a game and a leisure but if we don't managed to control our self and did not become a responsible gambler I don't think this will be the last time that this kind of incident will happen.


Title: Re: Blame Game in gambling
Post by: Maestro75 on March 11, 2022, 08:14:29 AM
I would consider it a negligence on parents behalf as it was their first duty to keep an eye on their children.

Because the story ended sadly everyone is looking for who to blame. If the deceased gambler had hit a jackpot we would have called him a gem or clever. Gambling is like smoking or drinking or humanising, people are warned of the dangers in them but they do not pay heed to warnings. Once they get addicted, staying off it or stopping it becomes very hard. I do not blame anyone but the gambler himself. He knew what he was doing and allowed it to consume him, not his parents.


Title: Re: Blame Game in gambling
Post by: coin-investor on March 11, 2022, 10:23:58 AM
Not we blame the gambling simply.No one force you to do gambling at any concerns.Doing gambling at your own risk.It's just a luckbased game.Sometimes it bases on a statics.When people with good gambling statics, they can easily win the game.But losing at the game is also a part of it.In some gambling games.Their was a good static and you ca easily learn it. Once you learn it, all the betting is all your success.

Casinos have done their part issuing warning to those who signed up and play, they have strong warnings against those who exceed time and pour a lot of money into their casinos, they even had features to protect their players but unfortunately, players will always find a way to ignore and get past those features, in the end, if they suffer from losses they will blame the casinos when everything is pointing to their own action.
That's because players forget the time they have spent playing gambling so subconsciously, they spend more money on gambling.
If players have a good level of control, they will not be affected by anything that happens to them because they know that winning and losing is normal in gambling.
They will stop immediately if they see their playing time is over but that only happens to some players.
Casinos have done their job of warning players.
Now, it is up to the players whether they want to protect themselves from any consequences that will arise from gambling or continue to gamble regardless of the consequences.
It's not really on the rules but on the character of the player, the warnings are useless unless you have good control over how you play, the warnings and the rules are there because it needs to be there for government and regulation compliance if you are a responsible with good character, and you have a strong character you can take that character to casinos and you will come out safe.


Title: Re: Blame Game in gambling
Post by: Gozie51 on March 11, 2022, 10:29:56 AM

Casinos have done their part issuing warning to those who signed up and play, they have strong warnings against those who exceed time and pour a lot of money into their casinos, they even had features to protect their players but unfortunately, players will always find a way to ignore and get past those features, in the end, if they suffer from losses they will blame the casinos when everything is pointing to their own action.

Everybody wants to get a means to put their blames on the next person. Casinos don't really force people to come play with them but people want to make money or double what they have and they fall for it. They don't need to blame anyone if they don't have control of themselves to play and bet with what they can lose. There are warning in every casino or gambling platform about the risk to it and if the gambler is play beyond control then it is the fault of such player.


Title: Re: Blame Game in gambling
Post by: arwin100 on March 11, 2022, 10:41:19 AM

Casinos have done their part issuing warning to those who signed up and play, they have strong warnings against those who exceed time and pour a lot of money into their casinos, they even had features to protect their players but unfortunately, players will always find a way to ignore and get past those features, in the end, if they suffer from losses they will blame the casinos when everything is pointing to their own action.

Everybody wants to get a means to put their blames on the next person. Casinos don't really force people to come play with them but people want to make money or double what they have and they fall for it. They don't need to blame anyone if they don't have control of themselves to play and bet with what they can lose. There are warning in every casino or gambling platform about the risk to it and if the gambler is play beyond control then it is the fault of such player.

The urge for wanting more or earn quickly is one of the main reason why people choose to risk their money to play on some games and mostly those people who blame other about their losses are newbie one who just been hype by certain person who tells them that they can earn huge money by just simply playing the games. More influencer are hyping people and they show huge amount of money to their subscribers that's why many live in fantasies that they can have those wealth to if they play.


Title: Re: Blame Game in gambling
Post by: rodskee on March 11, 2022, 10:54:16 AM
Heartbroken parents say Hull teacher was victim of 'predatory' gambling industry (https://www.hulldailymail.co.uk/news/hull-east-yorkshire-news/heartbroken-parents-say-hull-teacher-6755181). Whom to blame for this sad incident ?

Why not try to find the root cause here first. Where were the parents when their 16 years old son was addicted to gambling ? They should have monitored his activities and this situation would not have raised. You cannot blame the doctors on insufficient medical treatments when the son could have be taught at home to avoid excessive gambling. I would consider it a negligence on parents behalf as it was their first duty to keep an eye on their children.
Yes  parents is much responsible for what their children mat become because it is obligatory in their supervision of what they are entering and doing, we cannot just blame everyone for our children outcome in life.
and talking about 16 years old? this is their own responsibility and not of any one.

though i believe that cure and response is needed than blaming yet it is not from what i see in the article .


Title: Re: Blame Game in gambling
Post by: AicecreaME on March 11, 2022, 11:01:20 AM
This happened before when a player who gets addicted and lost everything got revenge on the casino he was playing and bring a gun with him shooting anyone he sees there and finally he commits suicide. This is why the casinos nowadays are taking care of their players by issuing those warnings and precautions to avoid such deadly incidents in the future but most players ignored those precautions and proceed to play even though the money is saved for something else.

It is actually not the casinos problem but the person itself however the casinos can prevent it if they are going to be a little strict in regards with their players but due to competitions like here in the forum gambling sites that is not strict is more favorable than those who implement rules in regards with KYC. It is just a game and a leisure but if we don't managed to control our self and did not become a responsible gambler I don't think this will be the last time that this kind of incident will happen.

Nope, this won't end just because they will imply strict policies to avoid players getting addicted to it. Gambling addiction is a choice, and the person who is addicted won't be healed unless he will help himself with some medications, and the help of professional therapist. Maybe the said individual is rebelling to his parents due to lack of attention, love, and care, in my opinion.

Rehabilitation is a long run, that's why families are the one's who should be patient on helping their love ones in the process until they are healed, not nagging at them because they are addicted to gambling. 


Title: Re: Blame Game in gambling
Post by: Ludmilla_rose1995 on March 11, 2022, 11:10:21 AM
Heartbroken parents say Hull teacher was victim of 'predatory' gambling industry (https://www.hulldailymail.co.uk/news/hull-east-yorkshire-news/heartbroken-parents-say-hull-teacher-6755181). Whom to blame for this sad incident ?

Why not try to find the root cause here first. Where were the parents when their 16 years old son was addicted to gambling ? They should have monitored his activities and this situation would not have raised. You cannot blame the doctors on insufficient medical treatments when the son could have be taught at home to avoid excessive gambling. I would consider it a negligence on parents behalf as it was their first duty to keep an eye on their children.
In response to this, it is necessary to take a look at ourself, not all children's activities can be monitored by parents, especially now the average parent is busy working for the needs of their family life. but it's true that today's parents are required to be able to direct and control their children as usual as possible because of course many people also do gambling but are not detected, approach as a friend to children is important.


Title: Re: Blame Game in gambling
Post by: madnessteat on March 11, 2022, 11:13:15 AM
Parents should accept full responsibility and don't blame external factors that caused this suicide. Parents have to keep control over activities of their children and check his mental health that can be hurt by addictive activities. Twitch gamblers are great example, governments don't want to ban gambling streams for obvious reasons but addicted gamblers get burnt in this trap almost new victim every day. Hopefully, no more suicide news on media related to gambling addiction.

Suicide and gambling addiction aren't going anywhere. Only a person who is weak in spirit can commit suicide and thereby bring grief to his relatives. As long as a person is physically healthy, he has an opportunity to get out of any trouble. Gambling addiction and even huge debts for that reason are not a reason to commit suicide.

People are always trying to find someone to blame for all their misfortunes, but in most cases they are to blame themselves.


Title: Re: Blame Game in gambling
Post by: danherbias07 on March 11, 2022, 11:16:06 AM
Yeah, I might have understood it more if the teacher has no parents or no one to run to. How did they raise him? Do they even know what is really happening to him during those times when he is addicted to gambling? They are the first wall that should stop it or seek help for him.
Then, he is a teacher, so how come? That's even harder to explain when his profession is to teach. For me, teachers are mostly with optimistic minds and with lots of patience so that makes me more confused with how it ended up with suicide.


Title: Re: Blame Game in gambling
Post by: madnessteat on March 11, 2022, 11:41:03 AM
^

Anyone can become addicted to gambling, regardless of their job. Many parents are not even aware that their children are gambling because most gamblers tend not to spread the word and this is quite normal. I am sure that most forum members who gamble are of the same opinion and limit the circle of people who are privy to their affairs.


Title: Re: Blame Game in gambling
Post by: AicecreaME on March 11, 2022, 12:24:06 PM
Yeah, I might have understood it more if the teacher has no parents or no one to run to. How did they raise him? Do they even know what is really happening to him during those times when he is addicted to gambling? They are the first wall that should stop it or seek help for him.
Then, he is a teacher, so how come? That's even harder to explain when his profession is to teach. For me, teachers are mostly with optimistic minds and with lots of patience so that makes me more confused with how it ended up with suicide.

Gambling addiction is applicable to all the people who plays gambling, even if you're a teacher, a doctor, an engineer, or whatever profession you do have, we're just humans, we have emotions that we canty control most of the time. My guess was that he is hight indebted to someone, I mean like a loanshark, that warned him already that if he didn't pay up on time, something would happen.

Or the other reason is that he is just depressed and stressed on how he will get back his losses, but it turned out not pretty well, so he decided to end his own life which is not really the right choice.


Title: Re: Blame Game in gambling
Post by: safari88 on March 11, 2022, 01:38:09 PM
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You got it right there, somehow I feel like you're a parent now, aren't you? Well, that doesn't matter some are good at advicing when they aren't on that position (pun intended). Not a parent yet but I totally agree that's still on the parents to blame even the case isn't directly pointing at them. I've seen how we grow being disciplined over things and I just realized right now how lucky I've been grounded when I did wrong.

Can't say for sure about depression but it's really dangerous as a cancer, if the case from the OP was pointing at depression then the blame was still at the parents. I just can't help but think how they regret this tragic event to bury their own child, though that wouldn't change at all for them but to those who are still gonna save another child with the same scenario. This should be an eye opener to anyone especially if they're a parent, I am reminding myself as a future parent.

This tragedy is an eye opener, indeed. Parents, basically a family, must stay connected with one another. I believe that through that connectedness, the relationship could be a way to prevent and steer away family members from tragic situations like addiction, wrong peers and many more. It could be understood that the parents are pointing the fault to gambling, the gambling and medical experts because of their emotions and all, but they must also acknowledge the shortcomings on their part.


Title: Re: Blame Game in gambling
Post by: TopT3ns on March 11, 2022, 03:33:06 PM
I think although keep controlling about children keep away from gabling site but when growing up they will know about with gambling, but trough still not use saving money or selling their property maybe take gambling as funny moment only and not really try waste all money how get return much profit. I see right now about children not any busy time with gambling but most of them looks serious with gaming and maybe after pass above 20 years old they will know and try lucky with gambling. I think looks not great ideas when parent as guider for their children about gambling world, looks not any respect with parent educate their children with gambling.


Title: Re: Blame Game in gambling
Post by: doomloop on March 11, 2022, 06:39:17 PM
Anyone can become addicted to gambling, regardless of their job. Many parents are not even aware that their children are gambling because most gamblers tend not to spread the word and this is quite normal. I am sure that most forum members who gamble are of the same opinion and limit the circle of people who are privy to their affairs.
Actually teaching is one job that requires peace of mind. A teacher going through a gambling problem is actually a disturbing sign for society because that would basically mean the students are not learning anything about life, if at all about the subject itself.

For some reason people are hesitant about sharing their gambling addiction and they feel it would make them look terrible while actually it's just another form of disease and nothing wrong with admitting to it and working on it.

I am seeing more and more such cases lately and feels depressing to see where society is going because gambling itself isn't a problem but problem gambling is a serious issue and must be addressed.


Title: Re: Blame Game in gambling
Post by: Tumanggor on March 11, 2022, 07:22:28 PM
Heartbroken parents say Hull teacher was victim of 'predatory' gambling industry (https://www.hulldailymail.co.uk/news/hull-east-yorkshire-news/heartbroken-parents-say-hull-teacher-6755181). Whom to blame for this sad incident ?

Why not try to find the root cause here first. Where were the parents when their 16 years old son was addicted to gambling ? They should have monitored his activities and this situation would not have raised. You cannot blame the doctors on insufficient medical treatments when the son could have be taught at home to avoid excessive gambling. I would consider it a negligence on parents behalf as it was their first duty to keep an eye on their children.
I have started gambling when I was 14 years old but I have gone through a mild addiction at that time. now my parents are very grateful because my life is better, I can control myself more when gambling, I realize that I have to be responsible for myself

can't blame gambling or parents who don't supervise because everyone must be responsible for each of them


Title: Re: Blame Game in gambling
Post by: Emitdama on March 11, 2022, 07:48:13 PM
Casinos have done their part issuing warning to those who signed up and play, they have strong warnings against those who exceed time and pour a lot of money into their casinos, they even had features to protect their players but unfortunately, players will always find a way to ignore and get past those features, in the end, if they suffer from losses they will blame the casinos when everything is pointing to their own action.
Let's be honest. The casinos and gambling houses are made to make the highest profits possible and they don't care whether a minor is being indulged into gambling. Trust me, hardly any casino cares about it as long as the kid is losing money, they will continue to let them play. If the kid somehow wins big, they can always ask KYC and even swallow their winnings.

I am not going to blame casinos though because you can't expect them to refuse potential revenue. The real problem here is the parents who allow their kids to gamble and if they say they weren't aware of their gambling habits, then it's a parenting problem more than anything.


Title: Re: Blame Game in gambling
Post by: magneto on March 11, 2022, 08:22:42 PM
Let's not jump the gun here.

I think that there are certainly a lot of improvements that could be made when it comes to the traditional/crypto gambling industry, voluntary self exclusion being one of the things that never seems to get enforced 100% of the time.

Note that this is not always the casino's fault, as players often try to circumvent these measures themselves.

But yes, media depiction of gambling is almost always negative and these fringe cases really paint the industry in a bad light. Hopefully this changes.


Title: Re: Blame Game in gambling
Post by: wxa7115 on March 11, 2022, 08:29:41 PM
Heartbroken parents say Hull teacher was victim of 'predatory' gambling industry (https://www.hulldailymail.co.uk/news/hull-east-yorkshire-news/heartbroken-parents-say-hull-teacher-6755181). Whom to blame for this sad incident ?

Why not try to find the root cause here first. Where were the parents when their 16 years old son was addicted to gambling ? They should have monitored his activities and this situation would not have raised. You cannot blame the doctors on insufficient medical treatments when the son could have be taught at home to avoid excessive gambling. I would consider it a negligence on parents behalf as it was their first duty to keep an eye on their children.
This is very common behavior, people love to play the shift blame game, after all it seems his problems began when he was still underage, so where were the parents? Now maybe they did the best that they could and their son still ended up like that, but if that is the case then trying to shift the blame to the gambling or medical industry makes even less sense.

At the end of the day most of the time the good or bad that happens in our lives is our responsibility, so if this person is facing huge challenges at such a young age then we can conclude that it is entirely his fault this is the case.


Title: Re: Blame Game in gambling
Post by: Slow death on March 11, 2022, 08:34:11 PM
I already commented on this in a past post, people shouldn't blame gambling sites or real world or even online casinos because the responsibility to use money and play is the person's, it's not the casino's responsibility to say how each person should use his money and how he should manage his private life, that needs to be clear. in all casinos or anything related to gambling they put in the TOS that minors are prohibited from using the casinos or gambling sites and the reason is quite simple: all people over 18 are adults responsible for themselves . Now about the issue of minors playing, this issue is the responsibility of the child's parents, not the casinos' responsibility


Title: Re: Blame Game in gambling
Post by: Johnyz on March 11, 2022, 08:41:15 PM
I think although keep controlling about children keep away from gabling site but when growing up they will know about with gambling, but trough still not use saving money or selling their property maybe take gambling as funny moment only and not really try waste all money how get return much profit. I see right now about children not any busy time with gambling but most of them looks serious with gaming and maybe after pass above 20 years old they will know and try lucky with gambling. I think looks not great ideas when parent as guider for their children about gambling world, looks not any respect with parent educate their children with gambling.
Its hard to educate your Children if the parent is not familiar with gambling as well, this is why they are blaming the system because they failed to be the teacher first. Yes, our Children will gamble once they are already on the legal age and that is out of our control anymore, but during their younger years, we can already start educating them about the risk of gambling, so they can know the negative effect of too much gambling. Guiding them while they are still young can affect their life’s decision.


Title: Re: Blame Game in gambling
Post by: Kasabus on March 11, 2022, 09:07:03 PM
I think although keep controlling about children keep away from gabling site but when growing up they will know about with gambling, but trough still not use saving money or selling their property maybe take gambling as funny moment only and not really try waste all money how get return much profit. I see right now about children not any busy time with gambling but most of them looks serious with gaming and maybe after pass above 20 years old they will know and try lucky with gambling. I think looks not great ideas when parent as guider for their children about gambling world, looks not any respect with parent educate their children with gambling.
Its hard to educate your Children if the parent is not familiar with gambling as well, this is why they are blaming the system because they failed to be the teacher first. Yes, our Children will gamble once they are already on the legal age and that is out of our control anymore, but during their younger years, we can already start educating them about the risk of gambling, so they can know the negative effect of too much gambling. Guiding them while they are still young can affect their life’s decision.
Exactly, if they are not educated about gambling, they would only tell their children to stay away because they only see the risk and that gambling will ruin their lives. However, kids nowadays are very curious, they like to try everything and since we are in the digital world and online gambling is very easy of course with crypto, even kids can really find a chance to gamble if they are not monitored.

Blaming the system or gambling itself is wrong because it's there to entertain, not to ruin our lives, we are only responsible for ruining our lives if we are ignorant of the risk in gambling.


Title: Re: Blame Game in gambling
Post by: Accardo on March 11, 2022, 09:25:40 PM
One factor that leads to suicide is debt. I don't know if the young gambler is eligible to borrow in Europe but, the Government frown against that I could remember when a Gambling company was sanctioned for sending out spam messages through email about their gambling platform. Nobody should be blamed about his death. Regarding the fact that it's not quite clear despite his parent's blame on his gambling addiction that it's what caused his death. This is just one part of his habits that they know about. He could have other kinds of lifestyles which must have lead to his suicidal action. One thing is for sure, maybe he is indebt or borrowed to gamble and lost it all.


Title: Re: Blame Game in gambling
Post by: South Park on March 11, 2022, 09:50:14 PM
Let's not jump the gun here.

I think that there are certainly a lot of improvements that could be made when it comes to the traditional/crypto gambling industry, voluntary self exclusion being one of the things that never seems to get enforced 100% of the time.

Note that this is not always the casino's fault, as players often try to circumvent these measures themselves.

But yes, media depiction of gambling is almost always negative and these fringe cases really paint the industry in a bad light. Hopefully this changes.
I have always wondered why is this the case? Why the media portrayal of casinos and gamblers is always so negative? After all if a person wants to spend some of the money they have earned through their own effort in gambling games then that is their decision and no one else has the right to question them, now it is true that people can get addicted to gambling but the majority of the people can gamble responsibly without any problem, and yet the depictions of the industry are always negative for some reason.


Title: Re: Blame Game in gambling
Post by: AmoreJaz on March 11, 2022, 11:52:59 PM
Let's not jump the gun here.

I think that there are certainly a lot of improvements that could be made when it comes to the traditional/crypto gambling industry, voluntary self exclusion being one of the things that never seems to get enforced 100% of the time.

Note that this is not always the casino's fault, as players often try to circumvent these measures themselves.

But yes, media depiction of gambling is almost always negative and these fringe cases really paint the industry in a bad light. Hopefully this changes.
I have always wondered why is this the case? Why the media portrayal of casinos and gamblers is always so negative? After all if a person wants to spend some of the money they have earned through their own effort in gambling games then that is their decision and no one else has the right to question them, now it is true that people can get addicted to gambling but the majority of the people can gamble responsibly without any problem, and yet the depictions of the industry are always negative for some reason.

because media is highlighting the negative consequences owed to gambling. very few articles will tackle the positive side of gambling. in most cases, only the negative ones are being published. moderate gambling may do good with your mental health but if you are already deep into it and you resort to some other activities not deemed to be normal, that's when you will start having issues with gambling.
but on this case, i guess, parents should not totally hold the bad fate of his son to gambling. there's more than meets the eyes here. they should start asking, why their son was hooked into gambling? am not in anyway blaming anyone here, but people should know the real score here.


Title: Re: Blame Game in gambling
Post by: Oceat on March 11, 2022, 11:59:21 PM
One factor that leads to suicide is debt. I don't know if the young gambler is eligible to borrow in Europe but, the Government frown against that I could remember when a Gambling company was sanctioned for sending out spam messages through email about their gambling platform. Nobody should be blamed about his death. Regarding the fact that it's not quite clear despite his parent's blame on his gambling addiction that it's what caused his death. This is just one part of his habits that they know about. He could have other kinds of lifestyles which must have lead to his suicidal action. One thing is for sure, maybe he is indebt or borrowed to gamble and lost it all.
Some parents are too busy to monitor their kids each day but how come they didn't even know just for once on what was their sons been doing? I agree they can't just blame it to the casino if it's their fault for not always available to their son since gambling is a big responsibility once you are in it.

Parents know this if they were responsible enough for their son but now it's too late they just throw the blame because of their fault in the first place. It wouldn't happen if most parents would know how to take care of their children.


Title: Re: Blame Game in gambling
Post by: alegotardo on March 12, 2022, 12:29:00 AM
I would consider it a negligence on parents behalf as it was their first duty to keep an eye on their children.

Yes, the parents are the first culprits, but they have already paid for it with the death of their child.
But gambling houses and especially governments are also largely to blame for this, and have they already paid? Certainly not.

Governments receive a huge share of casino profits and spend very little of it on measures to prevent and educate people against gambling addiction.


Title: Re: Blame Game in gambling
Post by: PX-Z on March 12, 2022, 02:17:49 AM
because media is highlighting the negative consequences owed to gambling. very few articles will tackle the positive side of gambling. in most cases, only the negative ones are being published.
It's because negative effects in gambling weigh more than it's positive side, people see it as literal gambling than just entertainment where you can do entertain in other things than just throw away your money, that's how most people see gambling.

You will always read from media news that someone got killed, suicide, becomes poor because of gambling than someone got a winner sweepstakes, makes someone's rich it's because it's rarely happens, see the difference.


Title: Re: Blame Game in gambling
Post by: ethereumhunter on March 12, 2022, 03:35:57 AM
I would consider it a negligence on parents behalf as it was their first duty to keep an eye on their children.

Yes, the parents are the first culprits, but they have already paid for it with the death of their child.
But gambling houses and especially governments are also largely to blame for this, and have they already paid? Certainly not.

Governments receive a huge share of casino profits and spend very little of it on measures to prevent and educate people against gambling addiction.
If people blame the government for not taking certain action regarding people addicted to gambling, they will answer that it is everyone's responsibility. If they have been told that gambling can cause many problems, but they continue to play, how can the government stop them from playing? Is blocking access to gambling sites solve the problem? I don't think so because, after all, those people will find a way to get back to gambling.


Title: Re: Blame Game in gambling
Post by: TopT3ns on March 12, 2022, 03:38:52 AM
One factor that leads to suicide is debt. I don't know if the young gambler is eligible to borrow in Europe but, the Government frown against that I could remember when a Gambling company was sanctioned for sending out spam messages through email about their gambling platform. Nobody should be blamed about his death. Regarding the fact that it's not quite clear despite his parent's blame on his gambling addiction that it's what caused his death. This is just one part of his habits that they know about. He could have other kinds of lifestyles which must have lead to his suicidal action. One thing is for sure, maybe he is indebt or borrowed to gamble and lost it all.
Some parents are too busy to monitor their kids each day but how come they didn't even know just for once on what was their sons been doing? I agree they can't just blame it to the casino if it's their fault for not always available to their son since gambling is a big responsibility once you are in it.

Parents know this if they were responsible enough for their son but now it's too late they just throw the blame because of their fault in the first place. It wouldn't happen if most parents would know how to take care of their children.
Have some parents looks busy with their business and not have enough time with take care and controlling their kids, I think is not their mistake because all parents busy with hard working for their family, but need spent time for controlling kids exactly they have understood with internet access, checking what site have browsing by kids and they found gambling site or not, if have kids know with gambling better guide them and give educate about risk from gambling and recommended for keep waiting when they have enough age for gambling, if still under parent controlling never allow for kid active on gambling.


Title: Re: Blame Game in gambling
Post by: terrorJR on March 12, 2022, 03:58:35 AM
I would consider it a negligence on parents behalf as it was their first duty to keep an eye on their children.

Yes, the parents are the first culprits, but they have already paid for it with the death of their child.
But gambling houses and especially governments are also largely to blame for this, and have they already paid? Certainly not.

Governments receive a huge share of casino profits and spend very little of it on measures to prevent and educate people against gambling addiction.
Actually if they really blame gambling in this case it will only make themselves even more wrong.
The essence of a child is to get good treatment from their parents so that apart from preventing them from all bad things, the role of parents in guiding them so that they are not wrong in making decisions is also very good.
Actually this can be prevented if the addict's parents know that their child is gambling and addicted, but in this case even to the point of committing suicide they only know about it their role in taking care of the child is quite questionable.


Title: Re: Blame Game in gambling
Post by: Wexnident on March 12, 2022, 04:28:18 AM
If only parents did a good thing to their kids, the kids will also do the same but as you said it cant be long-lasting, I think I can agree with that. It's not only our parents that we see around us so we can also get other/different kinds of influences including the bad ones.
Not necessarily, parents aren't the only influence out there so even if they do good, if the kid was influenced outside by a bigger factor, then they could inevitably end up doing something contrary to what their parents were trying to teach. And in all honesty, with the existence of the internet, parents' influence can be at an absolute minimal most of the time since kids are learning on their own at a rapid pace.

Actually if they really blame gambling in this case it will only make themselves even more wrong.
Agree. An activity is not the one that's supposed to be blamed, it's always the person who does the activity, and then the person who influenced the prior person to do said activity. It's like blaming a knife for existing so that was why a killer was able to kill someone.


Title: Re: Blame Game in gambling
Post by: smartaction on March 12, 2022, 05:21:47 AM
Heartbroken parents say Hull teacher was victim of 'predatory' gambling industry (https://www.hulldailymail.co.uk/news/hull-east-yorkshire-news/heartbroken-parents-say-hull-teacher-6755181). Whom to blame for this sad incident ?

Why not try to find the root cause here first. Where were the parents when their 16 years old son was addicted to gambling ? They should have monitored his activities and this situation would not have raised. You cannot blame the doctors on insufficient medical treatments when the son could have be taught at home to avoid excessive gambling. I would consider it a negligence on parents behalf as it was their first duty to keep an eye on their children.
It is true that it is the responsibility of every parent to monitor the activities of their children and to keep them away from bad ways at all times. But in this case, his parents may have been under a lot of work pressure, which is why his parents did not have time to observe his activities and this is why he became addicted to gambling. But even in that case I would say that it is the fault of his parents. They should have kept an eye on the children activities as much as possible


Title: Re: Blame Game in gambling
Post by: molsewid on March 12, 2022, 10:27:17 AM
Actually if they really blame gambling in this case it will only make themselves even more wrong.
The essence of a child is to get good treatment from their parents so that apart from preventing them from all bad things, the role of parents in guiding them so that they are not wrong in making decisions is also very good.
Actually this can be prevented if the addict's parents know that their child is gambling and addicted, but in this case even to the point of committing suicide they only know about it their role in taking care of the child is quite questionable.

It is like parents have forgotten that they have also a contribution to the addiction of their child, yes for me a 16 year old is still a child that needs a strict parental guidance. The parents are just finding other things or other people to be responsible to the result will in the first place they need to find the roots of the problem first. I doubt that parents will no accountability in their sons addiction. Maybe a gambling platform should be blame but also a parents should take responsibility too.


Title: Re: Blame Game in gambling
Post by: Cling18 on March 12, 2022, 01:31:48 PM
One factor that leads to suicide is debt. I don't know if the young gambler is eligible to borrow in Europe but, the Government frown against that I could remember when a Gambling company was sanctioned for sending out spam messages through email about their gambling platform. Nobody should be blamed about his death. Regarding the fact that it's not quite clear despite his parent's blame on his gambling addiction that it's what caused his death. This is just one part of his habits that they know about. He could have other kinds of lifestyles which must have lead to his suicidal action. One thing is for sure, maybe he is in debt or borrowed to gamble and lost it all.

That's why it's important to know what our kids are doing because debt could ruin their lives if we'll not do something to help them get rid of it. To be honest, kids aren't strong enough to resist gambling and to handle the stress and fear of having debt so as early as possible, we should guide them into the right path.


Title: Re: Blame Game in gambling
Post by: retreat on March 12, 2022, 01:35:33 PM
One factor that leads to suicide is debt. I don't know if the young gambler is eligible to borrow in Europe but, the Government frown against that I could remember when a Gambling company was sanctioned for sending out spam messages through email about their gambling platform. Nobody should be blamed about his death. Regarding the fact that it's not quite clear despite his parent's blame on his gambling addiction that it's what caused his death. This is just one part of his habits that they know about. He could have other kinds of lifestyles which must have lead to his suicidal action. One thing is for sure, maybe he is in debt or borrowed to gamble and lost it all.
That's why it's important to know what our kids are doing because debt could ruin their lives if we'll not do something to help them get rid of it. To be honest, kids aren't strong enough to resist gambling and to handle the stress and fear of having debt so as early as possible, we should guide them into the right path.
one way to prevent children from gambling at an early age is to educate about the bad effects of gambling as early as possible, besides that parents also need to monitor the friendship of their children because usually someone who enters gambling because of an invitation from his friends.


Title: Re: Blame Game in gambling
Post by: noormcs5 on March 12, 2022, 02:43:51 PM
One factor that leads to suicide is debt. I don't know if the young gambler is eligible to borrow in Europe but, the Government frown against that I could remember when a Gambling company was sanctioned for sending out spam messages through email about their gambling platform. Nobody should be blamed about his death. Regarding the fact that it's not quite clear despite his parent's blame on his gambling addiction that it's what caused his death. This is just one part of his habits that they know about. He could have other kinds of lifestyles which must have lead to his suicidal action. One thing is for sure, maybe he is in debt or borrowed to gamble and lost it all.
That's why it's important to know what our kids are doing because debt could ruin their lives if we'll not do something to help them get rid of it. To be honest, kids aren't strong enough to resist gambling and to handle the stress and fear of having debt so as early as possible, we should guide them into the right path.
one way to prevent children from gambling at an early age is to educate about the bad effects of gambling as early as possible, besides that parents also need to monitor the friendship of their children because usually someone who enters gambling because of an invitation from his friends.

Why would you only educate children to avoid gambling and not force them to stop gambling altogether?  Parents have control over their kids and if they are strict, they would not let their children gamble.
If you only tell them the cons of gambling and disadvantages of gambling and let them decide whether they want play or not, i think they will still opt to play gamble


Title: Re: Blame Game in gambling
Post by: Sirait on March 12, 2022, 03:44:21 PM
for children maybe this can but we also can not only educate but there must be action in this case.
The age of children is the most vulnerable age, especially in imitating the behavior of the adults around them.
When the environment is good in any way, the child will definitely be good, but if the environment and the people around them are not good, don't expect too many children to be good.
when we forbid then we must also try not to show gambling to children even though we are also gamblers.
when it's just educating but on the other hand we and the people around show it clearly, especially in gambling then indeed the child will definitely follow it
there is a saying that says "your environment affects your mindset", totally agree with your sentence that children will follow the behavior of adults they see, if they can't hide it then it will be difficult for the child not to try gambling. so that if your child is still small, guide them to a good environment and also watch your behavior, hide your gambling activities.


Title: Re: Blame Game in gambling
Post by: khaled0111 on March 12, 2022, 04:20:26 PM
Why would you only educate children to avoid gambling and not force them to stop gambling altogether?  Parents have control over their kids and if they are strict, they would not let their children gamble.
I have to disagree. Parents being too strict and forcing their children to do something or to stop doing something can be counterproductive and can have many negative effects. Teenagers and especially adults don't like to be told what to do, they have a rebel tendency so they will do exactly the opposite of what their parents tell them. And no matter how committed as a parent you are, you can't monitor your kids activities all day long.

On the other hand, teenagers can distinguish between what's right and what's wrong. All they need is someone who guide them and explain to them the risks of gambling and provide them better alternatives.


Title: Re: Blame Game in gambling
Post by: Oasisman on March 12, 2022, 05:13:37 PM

Why would you only educate children to avoid gambling and not force them to stop gambling altogether?  Parents have control over their kids and if they are strict, they would not let their children gamble.
If you only tell them the cons of gambling and disadvantages of gambling and let them decide whether they want play or not, i think they will still opt to play gamble

Forcing and educating is 2 different methods of disciplining your child. When you force them into something, they are most likely to go the around way around when they can stand on their own because they are going to be curious why you're prohibiting something when there are a lot people are enjoying it.
While, educating is equipping them with the things that's going to happen when they engage too much in gambling.
You cannot stop and force you child anyway when they have their own job and can live on their own anyway. So, the best thing you can do is to educate them .


Title: Re: Blame Game in gambling
Post by: madnessteat on March 12, 2022, 06:28:11 PM
Anyone can become addicted to gambling, regardless of their job. Many parents are not even aware that their children are gambling because most gamblers tend not to spread the word and this is quite normal. I am sure that most forum members who gamble are of the same opinion and limit the circle of people who are privy to their affairs.
Actually teaching is one job that requires peace of mind. A teacher going through a gambling problem is actually a disturbing sign for society because that would basically mean the students are not learning anything about life, if at all about the subject itself.

For some reason people are hesitant about sharing their gambling addiction and they feel it would make them look terrible while actually it's just another form of disease and nothing wrong with admitting to it and working on it.

I am seeing more and more such cases lately and feels depressing to see where society is going because gambling itself isn't a problem but problem gambling is a serious issue and must be addressed.

It feels like you are very disconnected from reality. More scary things have happened than a teacher who gambles. In my opinion, teachers have all the same addictions as other people, they just have to hide it because of their line of work. When I was in high school we had teachers who suffered from alcoholism. I'm sure there are some who use drugs.


Title: Re: Blame Game in gambling
Post by: Renampun on March 12, 2022, 06:50:19 PM
Forcing and educating is 2 different methods of disciplining your child. When you force them into something, they are most likely to go the around way around when they can stand on their own because they are going to be curious why you're prohibiting something when there are a lot people are enjoying it.
While, educating is equipping them with the things that's going to happen when they engage too much in gambling.
You cannot stop and force you child anyway when they have their own job and can live on their own anyway. So, the best thing you can do is to educate them .
I now have 2 children, and the biggest is a boy...

I have anxiety about what he does every day because I let him play with his peers, once he was caught I was learning to smoke with a friend while playing at once I educated him by saying cigarettes are bad, can kill, lots of poison, thank God he's not continued that activity.

I'm sure later there will be a time when his friends invite him to gamble, so I definitely won't immediately scold him or hit him harshly, I will give him education first about the bad effects of gambling and also what the impact will be on his future. I do this so that he has the provisions to anticipate things that he doesn't deserve to do at a young age.


Title: Re: Blame Game in gambling
Post by: nakamura12 on March 12, 2022, 07:10:44 PM
It is all the same fir everyone who will become addicted to gambling either adults and underage but the worst is for underage where they don't have work and will surely cause bad like stealing money or things to sell and then use it to gamble or worse. We really can't blame the game alone but we may be able to blame the parents for not guiding their children or educating them about the gambling's advantage and disadvantage though many of us know that we may be able to win big time but the disadvantage is we always lose.


Title: Re: Blame Game in gambling
Post by: delfastTions on March 13, 2022, 09:04:21 AM
I understand why almost all of the users replied that parental negligence is a major factor why this has happened, and I would also agree on that. Regardless of the busy schedule, distance, the age of the children, your siblings and basically anyone in the family, parents and other family members must check on one another from time to time. A simple how are you could make a difference, and even more advices that would leave an impact on them to have realizations on the things that they are currently doing. Depression is proven to be diagnosed, but it is not something that can be just easily determined, thus its cure would be a collaborative effort of the experts and the patients themselves.
You got it right there, somehow I feel like you're a parent now, aren't you? Well, that doesn't matter some are good at advicing when they aren't on that position (pun intended). Not a parent yet but I totally agree that's still on the parents to blame even the case isn't directly pointing at them. I've seen how we grow being disciplined over things and I just realized right now how lucky I've been grounded when I did wrong.

Can't say for sure about depression but it's really dangerous as a cancer, if the case from the OP was pointing at depression then the blame was still at the parents. I just can't help but think how they regret this tragic event to bury their own child, though that wouldn't change at all for them but to those who are still gonna save another child with the same scenario. This should be an eye opener to anyone especially if they're a parent, I am reminding myself as a future parent.
It’s also important here that almost all children now have smartphones, and you still won’t be able to constantly control what they do on the Internet, because for this you must constantly be near the child.  But this is impossible. 

I see only one way out here, do not buy a smartphone for him until the maximum possible age.  And limit yourself to a primitive phone only for voice communication and SMS and without access to the Internet.  But I understand that such a child can be an outcast among peers, which also complicates the task. 
In short, the most difficult problem of our time.


Title: Re: Blame Game in gambling
Post by: maydna on March 13, 2022, 09:42:44 AM
It is all the same fir everyone who will become addicted to gambling either adults and underage but the worst is for underage where they don't have work and will surely cause bad like stealing money or things to sell and then use it to gamble or worse. We really can't blame the game alone but we may be able to blame the parents for not guiding their children or educating them about the gambling's advantage and disadvantage though many of us know that we may be able to win big time but the disadvantage is we always lose.
That's because, as parents, we have to pay attention to how they socialize and what they do in their spare time. Don't let them do something that can have bad consequences in the future, let alone become addicted to gambling or online games. I've seen this happen to some kids who often play online games, and it makes them forget their time and just play the game. If we can educate our children well, I'm sure they won't try anything bad because they will think before doing anything.


Title: Re: Blame Game in gambling
Post by: madnessteat on March 13, 2022, 02:39:54 PM
^

You can't be around your child 24/7, which means there's still a chance that while you're away he might be doing something he's afraid to admit to you. It can be not only gambling. He could be watching porn, smoking marijuana, etc.

His activities depend directly on his social circle. So if we want our children only the best in life, we must first know all about his friends and limit communication with people you do not like for one reason or another.


Title: Re: Blame Game in gambling
Post by: maydna on March 14, 2022, 11:13:18 AM
^

You can't be around your child 24/7, which means there's still a chance that while you're away he might be doing something he's afraid to admit to you. It can be not only gambling. He could be watching porn, smoking marijuana, etc.

His activities depend directly on his social circle. So if we want our children only the best in life, we must first know all about his friends and limit communication with people you do not like for one reason or another.
I know we can't, but if they can understand right and wrong, they won't try. The most important thing here is how we can explain things that can be bad for them according to their grasping ability to understand everything they encounter.

As long as we can give understanding to them and they can understand the risks and consequences, I think they will be fine in their social circle. Knowing all the friends in their social circle can help detect early if something is starting to go wrong in their lives so we can prevent it right away.


Title: Re: Blame Game in gambling
Post by: Theones on March 14, 2022, 12:06:28 PM
^

You can't be around your child 24/7, which means there's still a chance that while you're away he might be doing something he's afraid to admit to you. It can be not only gambling. He could be watching porn, smoking marijuana, etc.

His activities depend directly on his social circle. So if we want our children only the best in life, we must first know all about his friends and limit communication with people you do not like for one reason or another.
Exactly - and we learn we when we make mistakes. Most of the people are so stubborn that they don't learn from mistakes of other, when want to see things with their own eyes and suffer strong set back before they really learn the lesson. Gambling and drinking does not bring any good to the person that is why most of the culture have banned it already. One does not remain in their senses when they gamble or drink and they tend to blame other for their mistakes.


Title: Re: Blame Game in gambling
Post by: ultrloa on March 14, 2022, 12:10:51 PM
^

You can't be around your child 24/7, which means there's still a chance that while you're away he might be doing something he's afraid to admit to you. It can be not only gambling. He could be watching porn, smoking marijuana, etc.

His activities depend directly on his social circle. So if we want our children only the best in life, we must first know all about his friends and limit communication with people you do not like for one reason or another.
Exactly - and we learn we when we make mistakes. Most of the people are so stubborn that they don't learn from mistakes of other, when want to see things with their own eyes and suffer strong set back before they really learn the lesson. Gambling and drinking does not bring any good to the person that is why most of the culture have banned it already. One does not remain in their senses when they gamble or drink and they tend to blame other for their mistakes.

This is normal human nature where people doesn't learn when they didn't experience those bad things unto them. Social circle really contributes on how people deal theirselves in some things they are interested to go thru and its just  some other people cannot handle well the things they go on. Gambling is not really bad in the first place its just some people abuse theirselves and didn't know how to escape if they got eaten by gambling.


Title: Re: Blame Game in gambling
Post by: madnessteat on March 14, 2022, 12:18:07 PM
^

You can't be around your child 24/7, which means there's still a chance that while you're away he might be doing something he's afraid to admit to you. It can be not only gambling. He could be watching porn, smoking marijuana, etc.

His activities depend directly on his social circle. So if we want our children only the best in life, we must first know all about his friends and limit communication with people you do not like for one reason or another.
I know we can't, but if they can understand right and wrong, they won't try. The most important thing here is how we can explain things that can be bad for them according to their grasping ability to understand everything they encounter.

As long as we can give understanding to them and they can understand the risks and consequences, I think they will be fine in their social circle. Knowing all the friends in their social circle can help detect early if something is starting to go wrong in their lives so we can prevent it right away.

You can listen to your parents, but it is impossible to adopt their experience. That's why we try a lot of the things they protect us from. I was told from childhood that gambling would not lead to anything good and that I did not play them, but because of my interest I still gambled and continue to do so to this day. Yes, I lost large sums of money, but it was more of an experience than a wake-up call that I should end my life. Only a weak person would do that. So it makes no sense to blame his parents, society or gambling sites. Each of us is responsible for our own lives.


Title: Re: Blame Game in gambling
Post by: robelneo on March 14, 2022, 12:24:49 PM
Gambling is not really bad in the first place its just some people abuse theirselves and didn't know how to escape if they got eaten by gambling.

Abuse is the right word, anything excess can be considered abuse even if it is good if you abuse you will suffer from it, the worst abuse is gambling because you can lose everything, your friends, your income, your sanity, and worse your life and the right action is moderation if you do things in moderation you are on safe side, so check if you are abusing or in moderation when it comes to gambling.


Title: Re: Blame Game in gambling
Post by: TopT3ns on March 15, 2022, 01:02:23 AM
^

You can't be around your child 24/7, which means there's still a chance that while you're away he might be doing something he's afraid to admit to you. It can be not only gambling. He could be watching porn, smoking marijuana, etc.

His activities depend directly on his social circle. So if we want our children only the best in life, we must first know all about his friends and limit communication with people you do not like for one reason or another.
You right how care with controlling by parent keep depending attitude and activities our kids depending directly with his social circle and how his surroundings, I know although have parents keep controlling his kids on good way but when get bad circle and ask for gambling way they will allow with his friend or his surroundings have the same ideas, everything always depend how our surroundings keep on the right way and easy with controlling our kids keep on good thing without worry they will allow on gambling site. But still need guide them on the right way and give any impact about joining on gambling site.


Title: Re: Blame Game in gambling
Post by: yazher on March 15, 2022, 02:23:10 AM

It feels like you are very disconnected from reality. More scary things have happened than a teacher who gambles. In my opinion, teachers have all the same addictions as other people, they just have to hide it because of their line of work. When I was in high school we had teachers who suffered from alcoholism. I'm sure there are some who use drugs.

Yeah! I totally agreed with that. we also had teachers that have some serious problems which I don't really want to mention for the sake of the users. The only problem is when they want to bring their addictions to the next level where they chose to go for an extreme version of themselves which doesn't really a good idea because the consequences are more strong than before and that's why I think they committed to taking their own life because they don't know what to do anymore. Family counseling is the most important here when they see something is not right, it won't gonna hurt them to sit with the person and talk about it to resolve his problem.


Title: Re: Blame Game in gambling
Post by: maydna on March 15, 2022, 10:28:59 AM
You can listen to your parents, but it is impossible to adopt their experience. That's why we try a lot of the things they protect us from. I was told from childhood that gambling would not lead to anything good and that I did not play them, but because of my interest I still gambled and continue to do so to this day. Yes, I lost large sums of money, but it was more of an experience than a wake-up call that I should end my life. Only a weak person would do that. So it makes no sense to blame his parents, society or gambling sites. Each of us is responsible for our own lives.
Their children do not need to adopt their parent's experiences but listen to what their parents have to say because there must be something that their children can use for their lives. After all, their children's experiences would be different from their parent's because their world was already different. Maybe not to blame the parents, but at least the parents educate their children to get the best for them. No parent wants to see their children fall into evil, which requires responsibility from each of us.


Title: Re: Blame Game in gambling
Post by: Oasisman on March 15, 2022, 10:40:21 AM
Gambling is not really bad in the first place its just some people abuse theirselves and didn't know how to escape if they got eaten by gambling.

Abuse is the right word, anything excess can be considered abuse even if it is good if you abuse you will suffer from it, the worst abuse is gambling because you can lose everything, your friends, your income, your sanity, and worse your life and the right action is moderation if you do things in moderation you are on safe side, so check if you are abusing or in moderation when it comes to gambling.

When we're talking about vices, abuse is inevitable. You won't even know you're already abusing it because you can always think that you're in the area of moderation.
There's a thin line between addiction and abuse.
Addiction means you're out of control and everything seems chaos and you started lossing everything.
While abuse is sometimes unnoticeable, until you realize you're gradually lossing something. That's the beginning of addiction.


Title: Re: Blame Game in gambling
Post by: Cookdata on March 15, 2022, 10:48:31 AM
One factor that leads to suicide is debt. I don't know if the young gambler is eligible to borrow in Europe but, the Government frown against that I could remember when a Gambling company was sanctioned for sending out spam messages through email about their gambling platform. Nobody should be blamed about his death. Regarding the fact that it's not quite clear despite his parent's blame on his gambling addiction that it's what caused his death. This is just one part of his habits that they know about. He could have other kinds of lifestyles which must have lead to his suicidal action. One thing is for sure, maybe he is indebt or borrowed to gamble and lost it all.

That factor wouldn't count unless the debtor won't have the capacity to pay back the debt and that's when the thought of suicide begins to set in before they finally give the thought in and choose the wrong step of life.
There was a particular thread I replied how a family friend lost his master's funding to gambling, he was losing it until he realised he had just less than $200 out of $8000 that was given to him as an initial deposit, he drink a sniper (pesticide) but was later rush to the hospital when they discovered and luckily, he survived. The Mum and other siblings never knew him as a gambler because he is the silent type. So, the Moral story is that parent do try their possible best to protect every child but they have a limit on how they can protect their child.



Title: Re: Blame Game in gambling
Post by: Mahanton on March 15, 2022, 05:47:46 PM
Gambling is not really bad in the first place its just some people abuse theirselves and didn't know how to escape if they got eaten by gambling.

Abuse is the right word, anything excess can be considered abuse even if it is good if you abuse you will suffer from it, the worst abuse is gambling because you can lose everything, your friends, your income, your sanity, and worse your life and the right action is moderation if you do things in moderation you are on safe side, so check if you are abusing or in moderation when it comes to gambling.

When we're talking about vices, abuse is inevitable. You won't even know you're already abusing it because you can always think that you're in the area of moderation.
There's a thin line between addiction and abuse.
Addiction means you're out of control and everything seems chaos and you started lossing everything.
While abuse is sometimes unnoticeable, until you realize you're gradually lossing something. That's the beginning of addiction.
All things comes on a line or on the same process because you would still really be ending up on getting addicted if you dont able to get rid of it on the first place.If you arent aware on what
you are doing  then most likely you would really be experiencing these scenarios.When dealing up with gambling then you should put up into your mind that odds of losing is higher than on
winning for you not to able to create some false mindset or hopes behind which is one of the factors that really push up people on doing such bad decisions or actions.


Title: Re: Blame Game in gambling
Post by: KTChampions on March 15, 2022, 06:08:51 PM
When we're talking about vices, abuse is inevitable. You won't even know you're already abusing it because you can always think that you're in the area of moderation.
There's a thin line between addiction and abuse.
Addiction means you're out of control and everything seems chaos and you started lossing everything.
While abuse is sometimes unnoticeable, until you realize you're gradually lossing something. That's the beginning of addiction.

Beautiful words, but what is their practical meaning?  ;D Are you a supporter of strict regulation or do you hold the view that a person is free to act in accordance with his desires? In both cases, examples can be given where the chosen decision will have unpleasant consequences for the individual or society (or for both at once). Initially, the question is whether a person has the right to deliberately harm himself or not.


Title: Re: Blame Game in gambling
Post by: madnessteat on March 15, 2022, 07:27:51 PM
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I believe that one should consciously harm oneself only in urgent cases, such as when one is hopelessly ill with cancer and the narcotics that have been denouncing his hellish pains have ceased to work. Euthanasia is an excellent option in such cases.

If a person decides to commit suicide because of some problem, he is just a coward who, instead of fighting the problem, is trying to escape from it in this stupid way.


Title: Re: Blame Game in gambling
Post by: Lucasgabd on March 15, 2022, 08:36:00 PM
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I believe that one should consciously harm oneself only in urgent cases, such as when one is hopelessly ill with cancer and the narcotics that have been denouncing his hellish pains have ceased to work. Euthanasia is an excellent option in such cases.

If a person decides to commit suicide because of some problem, he is just a coward who, instead of fighting the problem, is trying to escape from it in this stupid way.

what we'd need is creating a network of support, most of times people who opt for killing themselves could probably find different solutions for their problems having some kind of treatment, therapist or even a support network.


Title: Re: Blame Game in gambling
Post by: KTChampions on March 15, 2022, 08:57:52 PM
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I believe that one should consciously harm oneself only in urgent cases, such as when one is hopelessly ill with cancer and the narcotics that have been denouncing his hellish pains have ceased to work. Euthanasia is an excellent option in such cases.

If a person decides to commit suicide because of some problem, he is just a coward who, instead of fighting the problem, is trying to escape from it in this stupid way.

But this is a stupid way for you, but for him it may be smart. Do you want to deny him the right to make a decision?
As for harm, what about an unhealthy lifestyle? After all, it kills no less inevitably than other quick methods. Do you want to force people to go for a run in the morning? Take away their "extra" dose of sugar, etc.? How far will your concern extend? When I say "you" I mean the state.


Title: Re: Blame Game in gambling
Post by: tabas on March 15, 2022, 09:52:58 PM
Their children do not need to adopt their parent's experiences but listen to what their parents have to say because there must be something that their children can use for their lives. After all, their children's experiences would be different from their parent's because their world was already different. Maybe not to blame the parents, but at least the parents educate their children to get the best for them. No parent wants to see their children fall into evil, which requires responsibility from each of us.
It depends on how the parents have grown their children. If these children knows how to obey what their parents are saying, they're going to listen to them and do whatever they say.
But if these children don't listen to them anymore, there are only things that can be said of. These parents need to study parenting or these children have been influenced really badly.


Title: Re: Blame Game in gambling
Post by: Fortify on March 15, 2022, 10:00:05 PM
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I believe that one should consciously harm oneself only in urgent cases, such as when one is hopelessly ill with cancer and the narcotics that have been denouncing his hellish pains have ceased to work. Euthanasia is an excellent option in such cases.

If a person decides to commit suicide because of some problem, he is just a coward who, instead of fighting the problem, is trying to escape from it in this stupid way.

But this is a stupid way for you, but for him it may be smart. Do you want to deny him the right to make a decision?
As for harm, what about an unhealthy lifestyle? After all, it kills no less inevitably than other quick methods. Do you want to force people to go for a run in the morning? Take away their "extra" dose of sugar, etc.? How far will your concern extend? When I say "you" I mean the state.


It's hard to judge someone who gets into such a situation but often times the world and the future can look bleaker than it really is - sadly the brain has a tendency to reinforce either positive or negative feelings by looking for confirmatory evidence. That can lead to a downward (or upward) spiral which can be tough to escape from, however most gambling related debt can be dealt with as long as the underlying problem is fixed, aka the person needs to stop gambling first because they have likely been chasing losses for a while. Suicide is rarely the answer for a lot of lifes problems but depression can lead to many dark and unnecessary thoughts that need lots of help to solve.


Title: Re: Blame Game in gambling
Post by: TopT3ns on March 16, 2022, 02:04:27 AM
Their children do not need to adopt their parent's experiences but listen to what their parents have to say because there must be something that their children can use for their lives. After all, their children's experiences would be different from their parent's because their world was already different. Maybe not to blame the parents, but at least the parents educate their children to get the best for them. No parent wants to see their children fall into evil, which requires responsibility from each of us.
It depends on how the parents have grown their children. If these children knows how to obey what their parents are saying, they're going to listen to them and do whatever they say.
But if these children don't listen to them anymore, there are only things that can be said of. These parents need to study parenting or these children have been influenced really badly.
Habit of the parent will allow by the children and actually its true, when parent have good habit their children will have good habit depending what their learning and watching from his parent, I think about gambling they will getting learn from his parents as active gambling or not will give habit for his children, better if still active on gambling site never show to your children and could guide them to the right way. I don't think fault with parents still make habit with gambling but need to less activities and show to your children about right way and good habit for them.


Title: Re: Blame Game in gambling
Post by: xSkylarx on March 16, 2022, 04:03:38 AM
Their children do not need to adopt their parent's experiences but listen to what their parents have to say because there must be something that their children can use for their lives. After all, their children's experiences would be different from their parent's because their world was already different. Maybe not to blame the parents, but at least the parents educate their children to get the best for them. No parent wants to see their children fall into evil, which requires responsibility from each of us.
It depends on how the parents have grown their children. If these children knows how to obey what their parents are saying, they're going to listen to them and do whatever they say.
But if these children don't listen to them anymore, there are only things that can be said of. These parents need to study parenting or these children have been influenced really badly.
Habit of the parent will allow by the children and actually its true, when parent have good habit their children will have good habit depending what their learning and watching from his parent, I think about gambling they will getting learn from his parents as active gambling or not will give habit for his children, better if still active on gambling site never show to your children and could guide them to the right way. I don't think fault with parents still make habit with gambling but need to less activities and show to your children about right way and good habit for them.

I agree not to show them, but if they discovered it on their own through the internet and will never show it to you, that is extremely dangerous. I believe that the best approach is not to tell them directly, but if they find out that you are doing it, explain to them what the risks are and that if you are under the age of 18, you should not play these types of games. As long as they listen, you can explain it to them and persuade them not to do that thing because they will become curious if you do not say anything about it.


Title: Re: Blame Game in gambling
Post by: lienfaye on March 16, 2022, 04:33:11 AM
I agree not to show them, but if they discovered it on their own through the internet and will never show it to you, that is extremely dangerous. I believe that the best approach is not to tell them directly, but if they find out that you are doing it, explain to them what the risks are and that if you are under the age of 18, you should not play these types of games. As long as they listen, you can explain it to them and persuade them not to do that thing because they will become curious if you do not say anything about it.
The parents are responsible to educate their children about gambling before they discover it by themselves. This way, even your child is expose in gambling, he/she will become aware of the negative effect of it. But every kid has their own behavior and it depends on our parenting style. I think its better to explain it to them instead of waiting before they discover it on their own and become curious.


Title: Re: Blame Game in gambling
Post by: Mauser on March 16, 2022, 08:40:36 AM
It's hard to judge someone who gets into such a situation but often times the world and the future can look bleaker than it really is - sadly the brain has a tendency to reinforce either positive or negative feelings by looking for confirmatory evidence. That can lead to a downward (or upward) spiral which can be tough to escape from, however most gambling related debt can be dealt with as long as the underlying problem is fixed, aka the person needs to stop gambling first because they have likely been chasing losses for a while. Suicide is rarely the answer for a lot of lifes problems but depression can lead to many dark and unnecessary thoughts that need lots of help to solve.

Looking objectively from above at the situation it was probably not as bad as it seemed at that moment. There is always a way out, a way towards recovery. But like you said, the brain tends to focus on one outcome and intensifies the negative feelings. I don't think it's right to put all the blame on the casinos and the gambling industry. There doctors and institutions that deal directly with gambling addictions, if he really wanted he could have gotten help. Unfortunately he didn't see a way out. Also his parents could have helped and try to convince him to see specialist doctors to better control his spending habits. The parents shouldn't help with paying the debt off, because that could look like a form of enabling. UK is a developed nation that has procedures in place for people who have taken on to much debt and can't repay it anymore. In my country this process takes 4-5 years, and after that all your debt will be written off. It's a tragedy and hopefully helps others in a similar situation to wake up and get help. 


Title: Re: Blame Game in gambling
Post by: maydna on March 16, 2022, 10:44:04 AM
~snip~
It depends on how the parents have grown their children. If these children knows how to obey what their parents are saying, they're going to listen to them and do whatever they say.
But if these children don't listen to them anymore, there are only things that can be said of. These parents need to study parenting or these children have been influenced really badly.
Parenting patterns of children should start when they are small so that when they grow up, they have begun to understand good and bad and what they should do or decide. But not many parents can understand the parenting of their children properly and correctly because many of them are busy working and forget about this important thing. And because of this, we see a lot of kids growing up getting misguided and finding the wrong friends.


Title: Re: Blame Game in gambling
Post by: madnessteat on March 16, 2022, 10:46:09 AM
^

I believe that one should consciously harm oneself only in urgent cases, such as when one is hopelessly ill with cancer and the narcotics that have been denouncing his hellish pains have ceased to work. Euthanasia is an excellent option in such cases.

If a person decides to commit suicide because of some problem, he is just a coward who, instead of fighting the problem, is trying to escape from it in this stupid way.

But this is a stupid way for you, but for him it may be smart. Do you want to deny him the right to make a decision?
As for harm, what about an unhealthy lifestyle? After all, it kills no less inevitably than other quick methods. Do you want to force people to go for a run in the morning? Take away their "extra" dose of sugar, etc.? How far will your concern extend? When I say "you" I mean the state.

In my opinion, this is not a matter of the state, as suicides occur in all countries, somewhere less, somewhere more. This behavior is considered abnormal in most communities, both civil and religious.

Of course, each of us has the right to choose what to do, but the main thing is that it should not harm those around us. This guy has done a lot of harm to his family and students.


Title: Re: Blame Game in gambling
Post by: Lucasgabd on March 16, 2022, 11:00:29 AM
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I believe that one should consciously harm oneself only in urgent cases, such as when one is hopelessly ill with cancer and the narcotics that have been denouncing his hellish pains have ceased to work. Euthanasia is an excellent option in such cases.

If a person decides to commit suicide because of some problem, he is just a coward who, instead of fighting the problem, is trying to escape from it in this stupid way.

But this is a stupid way for you, but for him it may be smart. Do you want to deny him the right to make a decision?
As for harm, what about an unhealthy lifestyle? After all, it kills no less inevitably than other quick methods. Do you want to force people to go for a run in the morning? Take away their "extra" dose of sugar, etc.? How far will your concern extend? When I say "you" I mean the state.

if we push it this discussion can go really far all the way to the dystopian possibilities
in the end what I see in many places is that the state is much more interested on staying in power than in people's health and wealth.

what do you think?


Title: Re: Blame Game in gambling
Post by: AicecreaME on March 16, 2022, 11:05:29 AM
I agree not to show them, but if they discovered it on their own through the internet and will never show it to you, that is extremely dangerous. I believe that the best approach is not to tell them directly, but if they find out that you are doing it, explain to them what the risks are and that if you are under the age of 18, you should not play these types of games. As long as they listen, you can explain it to them and persuade them not to do that thing because they will become curious if you do not say anything about it.
The parents are responsible to educate their children about gambling before they discover it by themselves. This way, even your child is expose in gambling, he/she will become aware of the negative effect of it. But every kid has their own behavior and it depends on our parenting style. I think its better to explain it to them instead of waiting before they discover it on their own and become curious.

This is so on point.

It is parent's duty to teach their children the advantages and disadvantages a thing might cause them. A parent should do the right parenting style in order to let their kids know the possible consequences if something is not done correctly, excessively, and in haste. I very much agree that parents should be the first to approach their child about these things before they even discover it, so that when they knew about it later on, they have the knowledge and wisdom that they need to guide them on the right path despite the possible bad effects of it.

This is just like sex education. We should instill knowledge about gambling on our children the moment they are of right age to understand things like these. Because you see, once they hit puberty, they tend to get more curious about things. Exploration without background of pros and cons could cost them great damage the moment they engage with it. So let's start it in our home to let them understand so they won't fall into the pit of their damnation once they turn adults.


Title: Re: Blame Game in gambling
Post by: peter0425 on March 16, 2022, 11:06:21 AM
Their children do not need to adopt their parent's experiences but listen to what their parents have to say because there must be something that their children can use for their lives. After all, their children's experiences would be different from their parent's because their world was already different. Maybe not to blame the parents, but at least the parents educate their children to get the best for them. No parent wants to see their children fall into evil, which requires responsibility from each of us.
It depends on how the parents have grown their children. If these children knows how to obey what their parents are saying, they're going to listen to them and do whatever they say.
But if these children don't listen to them anymore, there are only things that can be said of. These parents need to study parenting or these children have been influenced really badly.
Sometimes it is the community that makes the children worst and not just their Houses, the people they come along aside from their parents and family members in which those people from School or in neighborhood .

there are cases in my community that even how good their parents , still they cannot look at their children 24/7 as they have obligation to do..


Title: Re: Blame Game in gambling
Post by: Wexnident on March 16, 2022, 11:16:29 AM
The parents are responsible to educate their children about gambling before they discover it by themselves. This way, even your child is expose in gambling, he/she will become aware of the negative effect of it. But every kid has their own behavior and it depends on our parenting style. I think its better to explain it to them instead of waiting before they discover it on their own and become curious.
And it isn't even only applicable to educating children. It's literally an idea that could help people control others in a way that could benefit them by letting them know what they're actually avoiding. You can't exactly say to avoid item x just because, at least let the person understand what it entails or what item x even does. It's a simple strategy to educate people and yet it still escapes their minds to actually do it. Leaving explanations behind could be deadly. Even introducing it to their child themselves may be the better option in some cases.


Title: Re: Blame Game in gambling
Post by: Taskford on March 16, 2022, 12:03:17 PM
The parents are responsible to educate their children about gambling before they discover it by themselves. This way, even your child is expose in gambling, he/she will become aware of the negative effect of it. But every kid has their own behavior and it depends on our parenting style. I think its better to explain it to them instead of waiting before they discover it on their own and become curious.
And it isn't even only applicable to educating children. It's literally an idea that could help people control others in a way that could benefit them by letting them know what they're actually avoiding. You can't exactly say to avoid item x just because, at least let the person understand what it entails or what item x even does. It's a simple strategy to educate people and yet it still escapes their minds to actually do it. Leaving explanations behind could be deadly. Even introducing it to their child themselves may be the better option in some cases.

Government also should have proper programs about gambling side effects since if this area will be much taking care of the government and they regulate gambling very well then all huge risk what those child can face is certain much avoidable, but since there's little to not much attention given by government as well with the mainstream media well their parents should educate them the risk and they should introduce first this scenery to their children before other to this for them so that they can also educate them how bad the effects if they get addicted to much on it.


Title: Re: Blame Game in gambling
Post by: delfastTions on March 16, 2022, 01:38:48 PM


...  but they have a limit on how they can protect their child.

Exactly!  You're right! 
This limit determines whether a parent can raise his child in such a way that he obeys the advice of his parents and follows these advice exactly, or ignore the advice of his parents.  At the age of 14-15, this becomes especially difficult, and depends heavily on the traditions of this family, their religious beliefs, the presence of older brothers or sisters with their life experience, and, finally, on the intellectual abilities of the parents themselves.  But it often happens that such abilities are not enough - this is the limit


Title: Re: Blame Game in gambling
Post by: shawon01 on March 16, 2022, 02:19:33 PM
All you have to do to prevent gambling at a young age here is to spread the word about the tide, and all parents need to be aware of how they interact with their friends and whether they are addicted to winning.  And I think usually no one enters gambling because of the invitation of their friends. It's an addiction.


Title: Re: Blame Game in gambling
Post by: madnessteat on March 16, 2022, 03:37:18 PM
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Not always. I started gambling card games with my peers. At first we didn't play for money, but that changed over time. Any gambling brings more pleasure if, in case of a win, the winner receives a financial profit. In my opinion, this is the main factor that makes many addicted to gambling.


Title: Re: Blame Game in gambling
Post by: delfastTions on March 16, 2022, 03:54:13 PM
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Not always. I started gambling card games with my peers. At first we didn't play for money, but that changed over time. Any gambling brings more pleasure if, in case of a win, the winner receives a financial profit. In my opinion, this is the main factor that makes many addicted to gambling.

In my case, it was even more interesting. 

We also played cards for money in our teens and youth.  Furthermore.  Then someone thought of playing for money even in table tennis. :)  And for some time this went on. 
And it was fun and was a strong passion. 
But God had mercy on my friends and me, and none of us became an addicted gambler and none of us suffered from gambling addiction.


Title: Re: Blame Game in gambling
Post by: KTChampions on March 16, 2022, 04:44:13 PM
But this is a stupid way for you, but for him it may be smart. Do you want to deny him the right to make a decision?
As for harm, what about an unhealthy lifestyle? After all, it kills no less inevitably than other quick methods. Do you want to force people to go for a run in the morning? Take away their "extra" dose of sugar, etc.? How far will your concern extend? When I say "you" I mean the state.

In my opinion, this is not a matter of the state, as suicides occur in all countries, somewhere less, somewhere more. This behavior is considered abnormal in most communities, both civil and religious.

Of course, each of us has the right to choose what to do, but the main thing is that it should not harm those around us. This guy has done a lot of harm to his family and students.

Sure. The question is, who are we to blame for what happened? "The predatory industry of gambling" or the person himself who, having free will, acted stupidly and harmed both himself and others? Fans of totalitarianism love to blame anyone (except the most guilty) and on this basis interfere with regulation (which only makes it worse) in people's lives.


Title: Re: Blame Game in gambling
Post by: madnessteat on March 16, 2022, 09:07:52 PM
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I think everyone should be responsible for their actions. He was not dragged at gunpoint to the casino. He went there quite deliberately.

A weak person is more likely to blame someone else for his problems than to take responsibility for his own actions and begin to deal with those problems.


Title: Re: Blame Game in gambling
Post by: tabas on March 16, 2022, 11:48:14 PM
Their children do not need to adopt their parent's experiences but listen to what their parents have to say because there must be something that their children can use for their lives. After all, their children's experiences would be different from their parent's because their world was already different. Maybe not to blame the parents, but at least the parents educate their children to get the best for them. No parent wants to see their children fall into evil, which requires responsibility from each of us.
It depends on how the parents have grown their children. If these children knows how to obey what their parents are saying, they're going to listen to them and do whatever they say.
But if these children don't listen to them anymore, there are only things that can be said of. These parents need to study parenting or these children have been influenced really badly.
Sometimes it is the community that makes the children worst and not just their Houses, the people they come along aside from their parents and family members in which those people from School or in neighborhood .

there are cases in my community that even how good their parents , still they cannot look at their children 24/7 as they have obligation to do..
That's the sad reality. Despite the good teachings of the parents, they just can't be with their children at all times and whoever these kids are always with.
The huge influence will come from those people in the surroundings that they're getting alone with at most times. We can't blame the parents on this part and it's always a hard moment for those parents and children that are being in this situation.


Title: Re: Blame Game in gambling
Post by: goinmerry on March 16, 2022, 11:55:51 PM
Government also should have proper programs about gambling side effects since if this area will be much taking care of the government and they regulate gambling very well then all huge risk what those child can face is certain much avoidable, but since there's little to not much attention given by government as well with the mainstream media well their parents should educate them the risk and they should introduce first this scenery to their children before other to this for them so that they can also educate them how bad the effects if they get addicted to much on it.

Actually, there's no problem with government programs related to gambling. There are lots. But should we just only rely on that to save these children's ass in going to casinos or do gambling? Gambling is everywhere already and children will really encounter that soon while they are growing up.

The age of the person talking about on this thread is 16 years old. At that age, there's no need for full monitoring by their parents. At this age, these people have the ability to hide their activities from their parents.

Responsible gambling associates bad experiences. People will never be responsible if there's no painful experience in doing gambling. I hope that 16 years old will be able to be responsible for gambling after the event of having a big loss.


Title: Re: Blame Game in gambling
Post by: bitgov on March 16, 2022, 11:58:05 PM
Heartbroken parents say Hull teacher was victim of 'predatory' gambling industry (https://www.hulldailymail.co.uk/news/hull-east-yorkshire-news/heartbroken-parents-say-hull-teacher-6755181). Whom to blame for this sad incident ?

Why not try to find the root cause here first. Where were the parents when their 16 years old son was addicted to gambling ? They should have monitored his activities and this situation would not have raised. You cannot blame the doctors on insufficient medical treatments when the son could have be taught at home to avoid excessive gambling. I would consider it a negligence on parents behalf as it was their first duty to keep an eye on their children.

I think that such stories will appear in the media more and more. Hundreds of thousands or even millions of teenagers did not go out from home to school for many months, but spent their time in front of the computers. Certainly many of them fell into traps set by the marketing tricks of various casinos.
The pandemic situation is unprecedented, so we cannot blame anyone. We have to realize that the consequence of all lockdowns will be these types of new dangers. The only thing we can do now is be aware of it and warn others about it.


Title: Re: Blame Game in gambling
Post by: TopT3ns on March 17, 2022, 01:51:12 AM

Government also should have proper programs about gambling side effects since if this area will be much taking care of the government and they regulate gambling very well then all huge risk what those child can face is certain much avoidable, but since there's little to not much attention given by government as well with the mainstream media well their parents should educate them the risk and they should introduce first this scenery to their children before other to this for them so that they can also educate them how bad the effects if they get addicted to much on it.
Nice adoption ideas should did government about gambling site rule, I think have several countries looks freedom with gambling promoting exactly on football domestic league jersey, I think need have rule adopted if gambling site is not allowed for advertising to public and this effective how to make children not really understood with gambling site. But right now many countries looks have legal for advertising gambling site although they have same rule with gambling is not legal in their country. Have I saw in my football domestic team they advertising gambling site but in my country gambling is not legal.


Title: Re: Blame Game in gambling
Post by: Fundamentals Of on March 17, 2022, 02:42:10 AM
When I was 16 my mom and dad was already clueless with most of my activities outside the house, even inside to a certain extent. So it is difficult for them to know whether I am beginning to get hooked on to gambling, porn, solvent, weed, guns, meth, etc. So I think there is also the part in which government agencies should be functioning to their full capacity so that these things could be avoided. I can understand how frustrated the parents of the victim here. Their son is dead.


Title: Re: Blame Game in gambling
Post by: Peanutswar on March 17, 2022, 02:51:43 AM

Government also should have proper programs about gambling side effects since if this area will be much taking care of the government and they regulate gambling very well then all huge risk what those child can face is certain much avoidable, but since there's little to not much attention given by government as well with the mainstream media well their parents should educate them the risk and they should introduce first this scenery to their children before other to this for them so that they can also educate them how bad the effects if they get addicted to much on it.
Nice adoption ideas should did government about gambling site rule, I think have several countries looks freedom with gambling promoting exactly on football domestic league jersey, I think need have rule adopted if gambling site is not allowed for advertising to public and this effective how to make children not really understood with gambling site. But right now many countries looks have legal for advertising gambling site although they have same rule with gambling is not legal in their country. Have I saw in my football domestic team they advertising gambling site but in my country gambling is not legal.

Parents is the first responsible with the issue of their child because i guess they have a lack of proper guidance and of course the government is not quite aware on this unless the number of this cases increases and this is the time that the government might take an action such as rehabilitation to the children with the proper things such as removing the too much addiction in gambling after that they can now back to their life fully recover with their mental, physical and emotional state and not brings back into gambling addiction.


Title: Re: Blame Game in gambling
Post by: traderethereum on March 17, 2022, 03:28:39 AM
Heartbroken parents say Hull teacher was victim of 'predatory' gambling industry (https://www.hulldailymail.co.uk/news/hull-east-yorkshire-news/heartbroken-parents-say-hull-teacher-6755181). Whom to blame for this sad incident ?

Why not try to find the root cause here first. Where were the parents when their 16 years old son was addicted to gambling ? They should have monitored his activities and this situation would not have raised. You cannot blame the doctors on insufficient medical treatments when the son could have be taught at home to avoid excessive gambling. I would consider it a negligence on parents behalf as it was their first duty to keep an eye on their children.

I think that such stories will appear in the media more and more. Hundreds of thousands or even millions of teenagers did not go out from home to school for many months, but spent their time in front of the computers. Certainly many of them fell into traps set by the marketing tricks of various casinos.
The pandemic situation is unprecedented, so we cannot blame anyone. We have to realize that the consequence of all lockdowns will be these types of new dangers. The only thing we can do now is be aware of it and warn others about it.
As long as teenagers don't use their free time to do positive things and instead use them for negative things, the consequences will surely exist and befall teenagers.
Moreover, if the situation at their home is not conducive, it will add to the chaos of the atmosphere and can make teenagers do things beyond what parents can imagine.
It can make them addicted to gambling but maybe even worse because of various kinds of deviations they can do if they can't control themselves.
If they prefer to spend their time on the internet, they will become addicted to it and may socialize less with other friends.


Title: Re: Blame Game in gambling
Post by: Reatim on March 17, 2022, 03:50:03 AM
Heartbroken parents say Hull teacher was victim of 'predatory' gambling industry (https://www.hulldailymail.co.uk/news/hull-east-yorkshire-news/heartbroken-parents-say-hull-teacher-6755181). Whom to blame for this sad incident ?
Both Must be Blamed , the Parents, the community and also the government as I think what is written is a mistake and false of all the said accountable .

I know that Parents are obligated to learn and understand their children activities.

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Why not try to find the root cause here first. Where were the parents when their 16 years old son was addicted to gambling ? They should have monitored his activities and this situation would not have raised. You cannot blame the doctors on insufficient medical treatments when the son could have be taught at home to avoid excessive gambling. I would consider it a negligence on parents behalf as it was their first duty to keep an eye on their children.
but i think this is just a story to tell now because that was happened long time ago and I believe that all have learned their lessons . so Blaming is already on the passed the table .


Title: Re: Blame Game in gambling
Post by: asus09 on March 17, 2022, 04:20:12 AM
When I was 16 my mom and dad was already clueless with most of my activities outside the house, even inside to a certain extent. So it is difficult for them to know whether I am beginning to get hooked on to gambling, porn, solvent, weed, guns, meth, etc. So I think there is also the part in which government agencies should be functioning to their full capacity so that these things could be avoided. I can understand how frustrated the parents of the victim here. Their son is dead.
It's true as you said all parties must be involved, not only parents who take a role but the government must also protect the nation's children from falling into gambling, the role of parents is really needed but the role of the government is more feared, because if the government issues law and do it properly, I am optimistic that the nation's children will definitely be awake, plus the world is now sophisticated, it is certain that our parents will never know what we are doing, this is where the role of the government is needed to block all porn sites, and online gambling games..


Title: Re: Blame Game in gambling
Post by: Jawhead999 on March 17, 2022, 04:34:14 AM
Nice adoption ideas should did government about gambling site rule, I think have several countries looks freedom with gambling promoting exactly on football domestic league jersey, I think need have rule adopted if gambling site is not allowed for advertising to public and this effective how to make children not really understood with gambling site. But right now many countries looks have legal for advertising gambling site although they have same rule with gambling is not legal in their country. Have I saw in my football domestic team they advertising gambling site but in my country gambling is not legal.
Where should they advertise their casino if it's not to public? Casino is profit business and they're legal to promote their sites on anywhere they want as long as they can paid the fees. It just depends on the channel or media want to promote casino or not.

What? you said gambling isn't legal on your country, but why do the football team advertise gambling? They can got jailed due to break the laws.


Title: Re: Blame Game in gambling
Post by: rodskee on March 17, 2022, 05:46:24 AM
When I was 16 my mom and dad was already clueless with most of my activities outside the house, even inside to a certain extent. So it is difficult for them to know whether I am beginning to get hooked on to gambling, porn, solvent, weed, guns, meth, etc. So I think there is also the part in which government agencies should be functioning to their full capacity so that these things could be avoided. I can understand how frustrated the parents of the victim here. Their son is dead.
I think this is depending on what kind of family we have and how they brought us since childhood.

Because in Our family , My parents tries everything to make us all be responsible , God fearing and not hiding secrets from them (though there are some secrets still But things like gambling and other vises should be told) so not until I graduated from College? me and My Mom and Dad keeps being intact and sharing everything.
 so Maybe in yours you can keep secrets? but in ours normally there is none .

But of course Losing someone we love specially our children is really not that easy to take and we will find justice in whatever this may cost .


Title: Re: Blame Game in gambling
Post by: Kakmakr on March 17, 2022, 06:52:49 AM
When I was 16 my mom and dad was already clueless with most of my activities outside the house, even inside to a certain extent. So it is difficult for them to know whether I am beginning to get hooked on to gambling, porn, solvent, weed, guns, meth, etc. So I think there is also the part in which government agencies should be functioning to their full capacity so that these things could be avoided. I can understand how frustrated the parents of the victim here. Their son is dead.

I think if parents are clueless on everything technical, they should get someone (a friend or family member) to help them with that, so it should not be used as an excuse. Also, if a child are allowed to sit behind a closed door ..and participate in illegal activities, then the parent are not doing their job.

I say.... have a open door policy.. when your child are not naked or in need of privacy. They should not be behind closed... because that gives them the opportunity to participate in illegal activities that might harm them.

In our family ...we keep the doors to our rooms open and only close it when we need some privacy. We also spend time together most of the time ... so we do not get time to hide secret activities.  ;)


Title: Re: Blame Game in gambling
Post by: delfastTions on March 17, 2022, 10:10:21 AM
When I was 16 my mom and dad was already clueless with most of my activities outside the house, even inside to a certain extent. So it is difficult for them to know whether I am beginning to get hooked on to gambling, porn, solvent, weed, guns, meth, etc. So I think there is also the part in which government agencies should be functioning to their full capacity so that these things could be avoided. I can understand how frustrated the parents of the victim here. Their son is dead.

I think if parents are clueless on everything technical, they should get someone (a friend or family member) to help them with that, so it should not be used as an excuse. Also, if a child are allowed to sit behind a closed door ..and participate in illegal activities, then the parent are not doing their job.

I say.... have a open door policy.. when your child are not naked or in need of privacy. They should not be behind closed... because that gives them the opportunity to participate in illegal activities that might harm them.

In our family ...we keep the doors to our rooms open and only close it when we need some privacy. We also spend time together most of the time ... so we do not get time to hide secret activities.  ;)
When the child is still young and spends a lot of time at home, this measure with open doors and the absence of secret activities is certainly effective. 
But what happens when your child grows up and begins to communicate more with his friends.  His friends and acquaintances, especially those who are older, can also teach him how to play online casinos.  Here, you can't stop it. 
Especially if he began to spend a lot of time outside your home. 
And it is during such periods that children can become addicted to gambling.  And here you can’t even come up with such effective ways as “open doors”


Title: Re: Blame Game in gambling
Post by: paxmao on March 17, 2022, 10:23:49 AM
When I was 16 my mom and dad was already clueless with most of my activities outside the house, even inside to a certain extent. So it is difficult for them to know whether I am beginning to get hooked on to gambling, porn, solvent, weed, guns, meth, etc. So I think there is also the part in which government agencies should be functioning to their full capacity so that these things could be avoided. I can understand how frustrated the parents of the victim here. Their son is dead.

I think if parents are clueless on everything technical, they should get someone (a friend or family member) to help them with that, so it should not be used as an excuse. Also, if a child are allowed to sit behind a closed door ..and participate in illegal activities, then the parent are not doing their job.

I say.... have a open door policy.. when your child are not naked or in need of privacy. They should not be behind closed... because that gives them the opportunity to participate in illegal activities that might harm them.

In our family ...we keep the doors to our rooms open and only close it when we need some privacy. We also spend time together most of the time ... so we do not get time to hide secret activities.  ;)
When the child is still young and spends a lot of time at home, this measure with open doors and the absence of secret activities is certainly effective. 
But what happens when your child grows up and begins to communicate more with his friends.  His friends and acquaintances, especially those who are older, can also teach him how to play online casinos.  Here, you can't stop it. 
Especially if he began to spend a lot of time outside your home. 
And it is during such periods that children can become addicted to gambling.  And here you can’t even come up with such effective ways as “open doors”

I think it is actually easier that children get in contact with gaming and betting in the off-line AKA real world than on-line. They will wager with friends at sports or even play occasionally if they manage to enter a site with fake ID or the like. The exception is actually the gaming industry in which sometimes games may introduce forms of betting or staking that may lead youngsters into the activity unadvertedly.


Title: Re: Blame Game in gambling
Post by: molsewid on March 17, 2022, 03:43:24 PM

I think it is actually easier that children get in contact with gaming and betting in the off-line AKA real world than on-line. They will wager with friends at sports or even play occasionally if they manage to enter a site with fake ID or the like. The exception is actually the gaming industry in which sometimes games may introduce forms of betting or staking that may lead youngsters into the activity unadvertedly.

I just knew some young ones from our community who just learned how to gamble outside their home, like influence of the peer they belong or the kind of environment he/she used to watched and curious about those things, well I am talking about the card games type of gambling. Actually I have tried to play card games inside our home but I can say that it is not gambling because there's no money related. Teenagers are always curious about everything, there's nothing bad about it trying but still theres a need of parents guidance and supervision to correct if there's anything wrong.


Title: Re: Blame Game in gambling
Post by: xSkylarx on March 17, 2022, 03:52:08 PM
When I was 16 my mom and dad was already clueless with most of my activities outside the house, even inside to a certain extent. So it is difficult for them to know whether I am beginning to get hooked on to gambling, porn, solvent, weed, guns, meth, etc. So I think there is also the part in which government agencies should be functioning to their full capacity so that these things could be avoided. I can understand how frustrated the parents of the victim here. Their son is dead.

Your point is well taken because you are speaking from the perspective of a child, but I believe your parents are not particularly open to you, for example, do they regularly inquire as to your well-being? or what are you up to these days? I believe you are extremely secretive, even to the point of not telling them anything at all because you are not comfortable telling them. However, you should be aware of the consequences of your actions, and the best part is that you are in control of the situation. The government will assist you, but most people believe that government is ineffective in these situations; therefore, you should resolve the situation by yourself.


Title: Re: Blame Game in gambling
Post by: Gozie51 on March 17, 2022, 04:13:51 PM
When I was 16 my mom and dad was already clueless with most of my activities outside the house, even inside to a certain extent. So it is difficult for them to know whether I am beginning to get hooked on to gambling, porn, solvent, weed, guns, meth, etc. So I think there is also the part in which government agencies should be functioning to their full capacity so that these things could be avoided.

This could be because your parents were both working class people or very busy people that didn't plan their time very well with those of the children. Parents should try to provide time for their children and that will help the children to grow up fine and not to be nuisance in the society. The welfare of children is not directly in the place of government to provide especially where parents are still alive. Government can provide things outside the home like rules and regulations.



Title: Re: Blame Game in gambling
Post by: noormcs5 on March 17, 2022, 05:05:30 PM
When I was 16 my mom and dad was already clueless with most of my activities outside the house, even inside to a certain extent. So it is difficult for them to know whether I am beginning to get hooked on to gambling, porn, solvent, weed, guns, meth, etc. So I think there is also the part in which government agencies should be functioning to their full capacity so that these things could be avoided. I can understand how frustrated the parents of the victim here. Their son is dead.

So you are saying that government agencies should keep an eye on you or rather spy on your activities as your parents are unable to find out about your activities. It is not that hard for parents to look after the children's activities unless they are too busy or don't take interest.
Government can't take responsibility of each and every kid activity, the parents have to play their part. If any child is found in any wrong doing before he gets mature, i will say its 100% parent's fault.


Title: Re: Blame Game in gambling
Post by: goldkingcoiner on March 17, 2022, 05:45:20 PM
Heartbroken parents say Hull teacher was victim of 'predatory' gambling industry (https://www.hulldailymail.co.uk/news/hull-east-yorkshire-news/heartbroken-parents-say-hull-teacher-6755181). Whom to blame for this sad incident ?

Why not try to find the root cause here first. Where were the parents when their 16 years old son was addicted to gambling ? They should have monitored his activities and this situation would not have raised. You cannot blame the doctors on insufficient medical treatments when the son could have be taught at home to avoid excessive gambling. I would consider it a negligence on parents behalf as it was their first duty to keep an eye on their children.

What a weak argument for placing the blame on gambling. Gambling is obviously not the issue here but rather her pre-existing mental health issues. Gambling just made everything worse.

This reminds me very much of the reason why the Dutch government banned psychedelic mushrooms. A girl who supposedly had a mental illness did psychedelic mushrooms and jumped out of her window. The blame was placed on the magic mushrooms although this was a isolated incident in all the years of the entire population of Netherlands doing mushrooms without any problems.

Was the mental illness blamed? No. Can't outlaw mental illness.


Title: Re: Blame Game in gambling
Post by: bitgov on March 17, 2022, 06:30:00 PM
Heartbroken parents say Hull teacher was victim of 'predatory' gambling industry (https://www.hulldailymail.co.uk/news/hull-east-yorkshire-news/heartbroken-parents-say-hull-teacher-6755181). Whom to blame for this sad incident ?

Why not try to find the root cause here first. Where were the parents when their 16 years old son was addicted to gambling ? They should have monitored his activities and this situation would not have raised. You cannot blame the doctors on insufficient medical treatments when the son could have be taught at home to avoid excessive gambling. I would consider it a negligence on parents behalf as it was their first duty to keep an eye on their children.

I think that such stories will appear in the media more and more. Hundreds of thousands or even millions of teenagers did not go out from home to school for many months, but spent their time in front of the computers. Certainly many of them fell into traps set by the marketing tricks of various casinos.
The pandemic situation is unprecedented, so we cannot blame anyone. We have to realize that the consequence of all lockdowns will be these types of new dangers. The only thing we can do now is be aware of it and warn others about it.
As long as teenagers don't use their free time to do positive things and instead use them for negative things, the consequences will surely exist and befall teenagers.
Moreover, if the situation at their home is not conducive, it will add to the chaos of the atmosphere and can make teenagers do things beyond what parents can imagine.
It can make them addicted to gambling but maybe even worse because of various kinds of deviations they can do if they can't control themselves.
If they prefer to spend their time on the internet, they will become addicted to it and may socialize less with other friends.

Unfortunately, this is a very serious problem and often parents are either not aware of it at all or simply do not know how to deal with it. Unfortunately, Youtube, Tiktok, Instagram have become a new world for young people and casinos know about it, so they try to reach them in various ways.
Many streamers show how they win huge amounts in casinos, of course they are fake money and everything is just marketing, but young people who watch it do not know about it and of course they want to try their luck themselves.


Title: Re: Blame Game in gambling
Post by: madnessteat on March 17, 2022, 07:04:25 PM
When I was 16 my mom and dad was already clueless with most of my activities outside the house, even inside to a certain extent. So it is difficult for them to know whether I am beginning to get hooked on to gambling, porn, solvent, weed, guns, meth, etc. So I think there is also the part in which government agencies should be functioning to their full capacity so that these things could be avoided. I can understand how frustrated the parents of the victim here. Their son is dead.

If your parents can't keep track of what you do in your free time and what you're interested in, it's ridiculous to expect the state to do that. To fully control a person, you need constant monitoring, but I don't think anyone would like that idea. So if a person has an addiction he stays alone with it. The best option in this situation is to devote to the problems of their relatives and turn to specialists. 


Title: Re: Blame Game in gambling
Post by: wxa7115 on March 17, 2022, 07:23:42 PM
I already commented on this in a past post, people shouldn't blame gambling sites or real world or even online casinos because the responsibility to use money and play is the person's, it's not the casino's responsibility to say how each person should use his money and how he should manage his private life, that needs to be clear. in all casinos or anything related to gambling they put in the TOS that minors are prohibited from using the casinos or gambling sites and the reason is quite simple: all people over 18 are adults responsible for themselves . Now about the issue of minors playing, this issue is the responsibility of the child's parents, not the casinos' responsibility
Agreed, at the end of the day people should only gamble a small amount of their money which they can afford to lose, how people expect the casino to know that the money they are betting is in fact money they need to pay a debt or something  like that?

The only way for casinos to know this would be to put them in control of your finances and allow them to take a decision of how much you can spend when you gamble, does this makes sense? Of course not, but this shows us the level of responsibility that will need to be handed to the casinos so they could limit the amount of money their gamblers can bet with them in a more effective way, and since this is not going to ever happen then the responsibility to do this belongs to the gamblers and no one else.


Title: Re: Blame Game in gambling
Post by: bitzizzix on March 17, 2022, 07:37:22 PM
When I was 16 my mom and dad was already clueless with most of my activities outside the house, even inside to a certain extent. So it is difficult for them to know whether I am beginning to get hooked on to gambling, porn, solvent, weed, guns, meth, etc. So I think there is also the part in which government agencies should be functioning to their full capacity so that these things could be avoided. I can understand how frustrated the parents of the victim here. Their son is dead.
It's true as you said all parties must be involved, not only parents who take a role but the government must also protect the nation's children from falling into gambling, the role of parents is really needed but the role of the government is more feared, because if the government issues law and do it properly, I am optimistic that the nation's children will definitely be awake, plus the world is now sophisticated, it is certain that our parents will never know what we are doing, this is where the role of the government is needed to block all porn sites, and online gambling games..
Although it can still be said to be true, actually the main mistake is those who become addicts because everything mentioned is a forbidden site or will damage the mind and even become addicts but why still do it.
we can't completely blame the government because I believe the government has done a good job and the other reason is technology is man made so other humans will easily beat it even if it has been blocked, and if they know it will have a negative impact why do it because 16 years is enough mature and know what is good or not, and also know when to stop.
and we also can't blame parents if they don't know it and if they find out they will definitely forbid it and they are also busy taking care of and earning a living to support their family.
and as a child he must be self-aware and must be able to control himself if he gets lost, not burden his parents, and if he is smart, any forbidden sites will still exist in any country, even fanatical countries.


Title: Re: Blame Game in gambling
Post by: dunfida on March 17, 2022, 08:34:37 PM
I already commented on this in a past post, people shouldn't blame gambling sites or real world or even online casinos because the responsibility to use money and play is the person's, it's not the casino's responsibility to say how each person should use his money and how he should manage his private life, that needs to be clear. in all casinos or anything related to gambling they put in the TOS that minors are prohibited from using the casinos or gambling sites and the reason is quite simple: all people over 18 are adults responsible for themselves . Now about the issue of minors playing, this issue is the responsibility of the child's parents, not the casinos' responsibility
Agreed, at the end of the day people should only gamble a small amount of their money which they can afford to lose, how people expect the casino to know that the money they are betting is in fact money they need to pay a debt or something  like that?

The only way for casinos to know this would be to put them in control of your finances and allow them to take a decision of how much you can spend when you gamble, does this makes sense? Of course not, but this shows us the level of responsibility that will need to be handed to the casinos so they could limit the amount of money their gamblers can bet with them in a more effective way, and since this is not going to ever happen then the responsibility to do this belongs to the gamblers and no one else.
Gambling businesses isnt a charity that would be minding off mainly with your finances which is of course they wouldnt really be putting any limit on how much you can spend unless if you do literally asked or made out

some request for it but if not then sky is the limit on how much you could spend out and since this is business then they would really prefer on making people do spend even more.
You are the ones who should be blamed because of the actions that you had made out and  not the casino.


Title: Re: Blame Game in gambling
Post by: KTChampions on March 17, 2022, 09:02:06 PM
^

I think everyone should be responsible for their actions. He was not dragged at gunpoint to the casino. He went there quite deliberately.

A weak person is more likely to blame someone else for his problems than to take responsibility for his own actions and begin to deal with those problems.

Fine. I would like all "accusers" of the gambling or any other industry to have a sense of common sense and reason like you. It must be remembered that "care" for a person who has free will often turns into totalitarianism and violates his rights. But unfortunately there are always more weak people and they set the trend. It is very easy to blame someone for the consequences of your own decision and demand compensation (LOL).


Title: Re: Blame Game in gambling
Post by: batang_bitcoin on March 17, 2022, 09:06:53 PM
Gambling addiction for an underage may have high responsibility on the parent, it's has become hard for parents to control the actions of their kids and since we are in the computer age kids have access to games through many means.
There's a study that when kids have been into technology at an early age, it could lead them to brain damage. Well, the actual damage isn't all about damaging the brain all along but about the change of attitude which will make them angry if they can't get what they want like for this purpose.
There could really be some short coming from the parents but it's not always the case for the others.


Title: Re: Blame Game in gambling
Post by: OgNasty on March 17, 2022, 09:24:36 PM
Heartbroken parents say Hull teacher was victim of 'predatory' gambling industry (https://www.hulldailymail.co.uk/news/hull-east-yorkshire-news/heartbroken-parents-say-hull-teacher-6755181). Whom to blame for this sad incident ?

Why not try to find the root cause here first. Where were the parents when their 16 years old son was addicted to gambling ? They should have monitored his activities and this situation would not have raised. You cannot blame the doctors on insufficient medical treatments when the son could have be taught at home to avoid excessive gambling. I would consider it a negligence on parents behalf as it was their first duty to keep an eye on their children.

At some point the individual has to bear some responsibility.  Sure, gambling away all your money is a bad thing, but I'm sure the kid did it thinking he was going to get rich or something.  There are just no shortcuts to wealth unfortunately.  Those who try, whether that be from gambling, prostitution, selling drugs, or various other crimes, are usually disappointed.  I think trying to find someone to blame isn't always the most beneficial thing.  Maybe it was his teacher, parents, friends, or some advertising campaign that led to this problem.  Who knows?  One thing I do know is that resisting temptation is part of the human experience.  Those who fail are often left with consequences from their actions.  Sometimes the blame falls on the individual.