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I frequently see these "simulated reality" games (SRI) listed together with conventional matches.  ???
As gambler I can think of a lot of questions...

Are these trusted services? Is the result already foreseen before a match or is it managed according to the bets?
Is there a single provider of these encounters or are there multiple services that provide this series of matches?

What is your opinion?

I think they're just data but shown in an easy-to-understand method aka making a sample game itself? It's like a block of words converted into one simple image so that it's much easier to understand. From what I know it is derived from data of past matches of each team/player, so it's basically deriving from past matches kind of thing, the usual stuff that most people base on when trying to bet on a team. It's probably a better method to understand? But it wouldn't specifically be more accurate than a normal person studying the analytics of a team.

Definitely not worth it, in my opinion.

These games are way too easily rigged or manipulated from the side of the operator, and I don't think that it is good for anyone to pursue them as a player.

Unless, of course, they are provably fair. But I don't think that there is a lot of them out there that is provably fair, and even the ones that have this feature are often riddled with high house edge and other issues.

I think that the right name would be "simulated reality league" games,or SRL.I don't know where did you get that SRI abbreviation.
Long story short,I don't trust them and I never will.
I assume that those SRL games are using artificial intelligence and machine learning(according to the Google search results),but I still don't trust them and I would never bet any money on such games.
There's no point to bet money on simulated reality games,when you have an abundance of real games/events to bet on.I wonder what kind of gamblers would bet money on simulated games.Even the gambling addicts would most likely stay away from SRL games.They might be addicted to gambling,but they aren't stupid.

I'm not sure if it's trusted or not, but I think the simulation means they're doing an experiment where they can set up everything they need. If we talk about the result, perhaps it was predicted before the game that team A or B should win based on their data, so they will try to arrange it all. But it could be different from the reality they will see later. But I guess it's still not worth it because it's just a simulation, and it's better if we don't try it. Maybe if you're curious, you can give it a try to see what the simulation looks like.

I am not a big fan of simulated reality games, because I think artificial intelligence are not good enough to give me the satisfaction from watching the real thing. Yes, casinos might say that it is not rigged.... but I have seen games that would have never turned out like the real thing.. if it was a human playing in those games.  ::)

I have bet on some of those games, just to get a feel for it.... but I was not impressed at all. It was like eating a hamburger patty that was manufactured in a lab ... it tastes real, but you know it is fake.  ::)

Which sites offer betting on simulated reality games ?
As the name suggests it is "simulated" which means the results are predetermined? To tell you truth, i have no confidence in these games because i feel when AI is involved in any game, it can be manipulated. How about the gambling sites doing the manipulation on the simulated reality games  :o

I suggest avoiding it at all costs since it's kind of similar to playing casino games where there could be more random factors involved compared to the actual sports matches.

I see other users bet on these SRL games whenever there's barely any matches at a certain time but IMO you're better off waiting a day or take a break rather than forcing a bet just to kill time.

Stake and Sportsbet have them from time to time usually you'll see them with the acronym SRL beside the team/player names.

I saw them frequently too, but when I have research about it I got doubts so I have never bet on this SRI. I can't really accept Artificial Intelligence as of right now, it is far from reality and I'd rather wait for the seasonal matches than bet on this. Although it has the nick of the real match, and you can also enjoy it live and bet till the games unfolds.

I guess they are similar to any other esports game really - it's more about trusting the organizations providing the event and the stream of information provided to the gambling companies than anything else. People are playing FIFA events all the time, it's just one step away to add an element of virtual reality into the mix. You have to think that gambling companies, at least most fiat ones, have a strong reputation and are regulated (onshore) so it is in their best interest to heavily vet any new additions to their betting offers. Much like ranking a soccer team, you're bound to be able to identify weaker and stronger ones, so the odds offered will be adjusted accordingly - that's the only way you should be able to take an educated guess to foresee the outcome.

I have never tried such a service but it could be a new thing introduced in the gambling industry because it concerns Virtual Reality, which is also emerging. But to determine whether the match has been manipulated or is still pure, we cannot know because it depends on the provider.

Maybe you can try visiting the link below:

But I don't know if the website supports betting using crypto or fiat.

The last site is Sportsbet.io and it is a gambling site that we know well before and it also provides SRI, which makes it easier for you to try it.

I was once offered to play a simulation game by a friend of mine, the game is the most realistic, he often plays Farming Simulator 17 and SimCity 4, honestly a simulation game, a little confusing for me, maybe I have never tried and played, but in the game Farming Simulator 17, I see my friend can become a successful farmer, he optimizes very well, just like in the real world, the game concept is sophisticated and perfect, I see a glimpse of it is good and worth a try.

In my opinion, simulation games are a means and a new version reality, to add new sensations and insights in the game, obviously my response simulation game is an interactive new version to be enjoyed.

Not a fan.

Fixing a real match is much harder from a logistical and organisational perspective than fixing a simulated game. Fixing a physical match would require a degree of "acting" - whereas there is no physical difference in a rigged event and a truly random event when it is in simulated reality.

Stick with sportsbetting if you want that live aspect of the games, or just play a provably fair game like blackjack/dice/etc. Even live casinos are better than these things.

I agree. Many people say that it's a scam and although I can't prove it, it makes no sense to bet on these. If there was no league due to a pandemic or something and simulated matches were the only thing left out there maybe it would be worth looking into, but you have so many leagues, so many matches, so many different sports to bet on, there's really no point in taking a risk betting on fake matches with simulated outcomes.

It's like you had a real girlfriend waiting for you at home but you'd choose to watch porn on your phone instead. Pretty pointless, right?

I see that some users’ responses have different points from the majority, but it is what it is, we all have different preferences and stand regarding this. As for me, I am not really fond with simulation for the same reasons, so I would definitely side on persuading users to not try this if you are in it big time. Just like what was mentioned, I think that it should be tried first for fun, then decided whether it’s the right setting for you before going big.

The first time I got to know with sports gambling I was stuck in simulated reality games and placed bet almost 50$ seeing the odds given biggers, but it felt strange when I checked the flashcore site there were no football matches displayed there and realized that it was only simulated reality games. This should not be displayed on sports betting sites because it can be a trap, especially for beginners.

I made the same mistake once! I saw familiar teams playing and I placed a bet, only after placing a bet it came to my brain "it was not the right time for that (it was in the morning hours), and then I realized that I placed a bet on some simulated reality game! Well, since then I pay more attention, and I guess you are right that beginners often make this kind of mistake, at least once!
By the way, except LoL, I don't follow and bet on anything else connected with esports! I still like "the old way", betting on real sports, more attractive!

I once tried to bet on stake, there was an SRL League with a big club name. At first I thought it was a junior club before the big club competed in the big league. But it was not, after exploring what it turned out that's a simulation reality. I think it's not worth betting on SRL, but it might be worth it to analyze the game that will take place later in the actual match by looking at the results of the SRL match because sometimes the result is the same as like a prediction but there are many mistakes.

Really the simulation game is really confusing, something not realistic but visualized is really confusing and I think those who play the game are gamble addicts. I have heard gamblers discussing on it but yes checking on betting platforms for results you discover it doesn't involve real-life sports or game.

I really like the concept of simulated reality and also the games that are developed with it, however, I am not going to buy a VR goggle set or a gaming console or any of the large and expensive equipment required for it. Why? the answer is very simple: because Virtual Reality is at the very beginning of its journey and technology. Think of it like being the Doom 95 version of being new.

As it currently is, it is not very fun to me. I will wait a decade or so before I get into it. By then I am sure it will have developed further.

I prefer card games anyway. So how much do you need to additionally simulate card games?

Stimulated reality games are really interesting if you don't have any chance to visit any casinos due to covid and other things as well. This is also a great concept since the VR reality is getting more and more affordable, people use it for games and I think it can very easily be extended to the gambling sites online but to make it is going to be really expensive as well. Forming the whole set would take a while and at the same time there needs to be players and how it would develop as well. I would actually be too excited if something like that would be super common amongst the people. I do think sooner or later it would normal for the companies and whosoever goes first would actually get loads of profits I believe.

Maybe this can happen, but it won't attract a big community towards it. For gaming needs one will go for set of equipments, but the won't be happening with gambling. Even now we've got more games in which we play against the AI. Everyone finds it to be fair, same as that maybe in the future this gets to be normal.

Sooner or later, the equipment used for this VR experience will not be much expensive.
As more and more companies will try to manufacture this product or gadget, it will be soon economical for a regular player.
Just look at the expensive gadgets before, and now, you can easily purchase them in cheaper brands.
Give it a year, and the price will go down fast but we are still early on this development.
But in my opinion, it will get a good audience as many people are trying to have home entertainment rather than going outside these days.

Agreed, fixing a match in an important league around the world is not easy at all, as not only you will need to guarantee a result but also it needs to be done without generating any evidence that it happen and for the fans to not get suspicious about it, and that is really hard.

However doing something like this in one of those simulated matches is easy as you only need to deal with one person and they can always argue they had the flu or something like that which reduced their ability to play and in this way make sure they get the results they want.

At first when I entered the stake I also without knowing anything I bet on these simulated reality games, and I also recommended my brother to bet on them and of course we lost money, then I started to think that they were video games where they put two players from the real world to play with each other, and think that I was wrong, only today I'm seeing that it was nothing like I thought and something more complex in terms of technology, but I won't bet on that

Its anticipated but it would be still on that definite schedule on when it would happen because we are seeing that this trend isnt really that moving fast in terms of technology and its application.
As for betting on simulated reality games then i dont think it would really be worth on going big for this one.I do always have bad impressions and mindset about odds on winning
which some people doesnt mind off that thing and do still continue but well its actually on someones preference most of the time.

If its a betting platform for simulated reality games, IMO for sure it's very hard to trust because you don't if they are really genuine and there's no cheating in it since it just a simulation games and not base on the real life sports game, so for me it's very skeptical to gamble in such way..

So these types of games are just made by the operators and providers and there's no connection to the actual games of the sport that they're going to simulate?

I'll just stick to the common games that are not simulated. It's better to watch real matches and fights on live than to see these simulations that can really be manipulated.

They're a natural spin off to fantasy sports. Fans always debate GOAT status. Who would win in a fight between prime Muhammad Ali, prime Mike Tyson and prime Tyson Fury. Whether Michael Jordan could beat Lebron James, or Stephen Curry could hit more 3 pointers than Larry Bird or Earvin Magic Johnson.

Another recent movement in gambling is sports pickers being associated with academic institutions like MIT. There are AI based gambling picks being sold on the internet which claim university affiliation.

Combine the two and we could have a simulated reality game genre on our hands. I think its too early to say how this trend will turn out. It will all depend on the implementation and fan interest. Both of which could shift over time. The focus in sports over time, has become more profit centric. People appear to care less about history and sports statistics. There may not be enough sports nostalgia or sentimentality present for simulated games to garner much interest.

Well, just like provably fair casinos, there must be a way for simulated reality games' developers to prove the AI created by them is independent and not manipulable by any third party interferences. If there isn't anyway to make sure of this, the possibility of being scammed by the house is high, so it's not advised to get engaged with these games.

In the end it is a category of games which rely on luck, similar to the classic and traditional virtual gambling dice, slots, plinko, roulette games, as all of them have their results decided by an AI.

They basically  just set up a private game with bots playing each other,people bet on them because its faster than for say waiting a full 90 min game.

Can they be rigged ? probably not but i personally stay away from them.

As long there's no way of verifying things out or simply with your bets then people wouldnt really be looking for this one to be interesting since we know that playing on a fair is much more appealing rather than on

dealing with something which is unverifiable thats why losing interest would be common and simply people would be looking for another places which they could see fairness.
So far i dont have experience about these simulated games but on what most people are describing then this is something not that interesting.

In my opinion, simulations of fighting with a man in uniform will lead to aggression. We need to change uniform education as soon as possible. A man without a uniform is nicer. It is always like that.

What is a simulated reality games? you mean the virtual sports games? I played that before and got a addicted to it those I am not sure how fair their game was and I am not also sure if those games are fair at all but I win some times and lose sometimes and it came from other providers that the gambling site hires so it was like the table games and other casino games it still depends whether the provider is reputable or not.

I would either just play live sports betting or provably fair games but not a simulated games since there's no way to prove that those games are not rigged or being manipulated by the provider. So it is better to stay away with those games rather than risking your money to it.

ya.ya.yo!

The simulated reality games which we can found in sports books right? I see that most of the time in Stake.com I am looking for a live match and see this game I didn't know at first that it is simulated I thought it was a real match (too dumb, I didn't read the word "simulated") the team where I placed the bet is winning I believe it 0-2 (after half game) and and place a bet on the winning team and after checking after time passed the game ends with 2-2 and yeah I lost it.

I am not sure if it is manipulated or not but I don't play simulated games after that. I don't even trust it.

The final score depending with system want and can't predicting although choose as favorite team, better with simulated reality games move and deleted on several sport betting game because I think if not update with football match many gamble will play on this sport betting game. I don't know what reason should listed and make odds on simulated reality games because is not real and final result score is not depending about how favorite club and position standing place but many time result match always not logic with small team can win from bigger team.

From what they're saying, it can be. So if the casino itself provides the simulated games, if they've open source for its program then someone can review it thoroughly if it can be rigged or not. But usually with these programs, AFAIK, they're closed source so it's impossible to review.
I think it's fun to try these games until you start losing and you have to stop to avoid further losses and if it's like a virtual reality, do you mind spending for a device to test and see it happen?

I would not trust such simulations primarily for the following reason. Every match is not dry numbers that Artificial Intelligence can calculate. Each match is a state of health of the players, their physical form, their psychological mood and dozens of other factors that AI simply cannot calculate. Of course, if the teams are not equal in strength, then the AI can give the correct result. However, if the teams are approximately equal in strength, then no AI will be able to predict the result of the match with 100% probability.

The games are automated for SRI, so they are not managed according to bets...A gambler may or may not be lucky as regards the team he decides to put his bet on. You may decide team A, and the automation has already picked that team, you become lucky winning, if you however picked team A and the automation is going with B, you loose your money. So IMO, gambling on simulated games is an issue and a case of luck. As a matter of fact, my first gambling experience was on a simulated football game where i won, and the few persons who knew it was my first time termed it "beginners luck" because it was luck indeed. After that experience, i tried a couple of times and have long quit it because it was a series of losses for me the more i tried being intentional winning. In summary i will say that SRI games are randomised options and winning is based on luck.

I don't think game providers will just throw dirt on their names by rigging those games. It's a game-changing environment and it doesn't mean they are totally non-sense or not worth trying. There's no difference when playing on supposed live casino games.

I will definitely try that. Who else doesn't want it?

But we have to understand that gambling is gambling. The risks of losing money are the same as usual gambling games.

This seems to me to be something for the future as well. Basically it's something everyone wants, it gives a special feeling and special added value when you play something like this. As if you are really in a new world. If you can also do that in combination with gambling, then the possibilities are endless. There are already some games with this concept, but I have the idea that many players are not yet aware of it. You don't hear much about it on channels either.

If there will be rigging, people will come to know about it and this will ruin their reputation. A lot of people now know how to uncover potential cheating or rigging of the game. So they will talk if they will find out especially if they lost huge amount of money. It will always come out in the open. And once someone will publish valid proofs, that will be the end of their business. So if they are heavily invested on the project, I don't think it is in their best interest to rig a game which will be the reason of their downfall.

I’m not sure I’m a huge fan of them myself, but apparently this has been a big thing for a online casinos. Here’s some interesting info I found about them ..

“Virtual Reality: A Game Changer for Online Casinos
The gaming on Casino Sites is about to change, thanks to Virtual Reality. This technology has had a massive impact on online casinos, transforming them into gaming platforms with interactive and immersive experiences for gamers.

Although online and social gaming platforms have been around for years and can boast of loyal customer bases, Virtual Reality casinos are about overthrowing them and reducing their customers drastically”.

https://www.breakingtravelnews.com/focus/article/virtual-reality-a-game-changer-for-online-casinos/

If the simulated reality games are the same as the virtual reality use well it will bring a new kind of innovation and adaptation to the gambling world imagine having a virtual reality gambling game with other members but with this its not quite sure with the possibles games on it like how about the card game and slot games must be needed to be programmable in the gambling why though not just a casual game still required true money to play with this i guess in the future might be use this.

Several casino gabling just have an update with simulated reality games and they not really focus with virtual reality game, I think both kind between virtual reality games or simulated reality games if running by system better not have listed on gambling casino, I think will make beginner and newbie put their gambling on simulated or virtual reality games. Better have update kinds with games option looks as fun and will give interested to play although have to fill our fund but have several gambler they want getting funny when entry with gambling or casino.

Believing or not believing in services is relative. If a gambler continues to use the service, even though he already knows that the provider can manipulate the services, he will not think too much about it.
After all, he finds the comfort factor in betting using the service.
I don't know the service because I don't use that type of bet and if I want to bet on sports betting, I will choose bets like gamblers in sports betting.
For the results of this type of bet, it may be arranged or predicted before the match starts because we don't know how the system works.

Virtual Reality isn't the same as Simulated Reality games since OP is referring to sports betting and how some sportsbooks offer them as an alternative to betting on actual matches.

Simulated Reality is kind of similar to how some casinos have their own virtual horse racing game instead of offering actual odds from specific horse racing events.

Yup, it's basically like a replica but it's riskier knowing that there won't be much information available when placing bets. I remember placing a bet once and you can't even watch the actual simulation since there's no platform that streams the game so I only followed the game through the live feed.

The same goes for other computer generated game results from any of the online casinos.
There were always gonna be a possibility of a rig, but that only depends If these casinos are truthful to their "provably fair" service.
These simulated reality games/league has even compared and competed with actual sports betting, but I say no you cannot compare these 2, there's a huge difference, sports betting is way better than betting on simulated games.

Simulated reality game? The word itself seems new for me, I know the simulation games also there are lot of popular games like battle field games but if its against the preprogrammed opponent then I won't trust it. If you like the game the play but betting on it is not really trustworthy.

I have never bet on sports in simulated reality because I don't really trust the artificial intelligence that generates the events of the game. Instead I choose to bet on real matches where a lot depends on the players, the coach and the strategy of the game.

Moreover, I believe that sports in simulated reality are more susceptible to control by the artificial intelligence creators.

I think these games need to be always separated to avoid confusing the punter from the real games and stimulated ones...

I think this is something that we all have because we really don't know if the match is fixed and the bad part is they might give a picture of one team being a favorite but in fact it's not as there isn't much data to use to rely on past performance.

Even though in a real game there may be contractual relationships between teams and players, which sometimes of course happens and then causes scandals, such competitions are certainly less predictable than those that
AI can present.  I would never bet at all when you are essentially playing with a computer, which, as you know, is unlikely to be beaten in the long run. 
After all, the one who wrote these programs is not an idiot, to lose, unless he begins to write such algorithms, this is completely out of the question. 
Well, in general: AI is disguised programs, which anyway were once made by specific programmers.

The level of confidence upon seeing the result is truly different since its looks like they can manipulate the result on simulated reality that's why I always doubt to bet on this if there's someone offering such betting option, so same as you I always prefer to bet on real time matches since we can see the fairness on the game and even if we lost the result is satisfying.

I agree that betting against AI is not a good idea. There can be some manipulation by the AI to guarantee a 100% winrate in the long run. Te only form of getting that could work is if the simulated games are fully random and don't offer any edges for AI of the players. This is hard to verify because the company could just say their games are fair and the AI has no influence. Another approach could be to only let the AI simulate the games but don't actually take part in the betting. The only bets could come from humans. Here it needs to be verified that no human can have access to proprietary data and use it for exploiting. Randomness seems like the best approach again. Having games with 50/50 chances makes it fair for anybody. And the casinos then just takes a small fee from the games for their operating costs. Overall I think that these simulated games remain a smaller market. People prefer to watch and bet live sports.

It will feel weird if we use tools that support Virtual Reality because it's like we're watching an adult movie without anyone else knowing what we're doing ;D

If AI has been implemented and can be easily accessed by gamblers, there is a possibility that gamblers can ask the winning percentage of each team or player so that they can choose correctly. AI will calculate all existing calculations, collect data from various sources, and give us the final result. It will save us time in searching for valid information.

I don't think these simulation games are totally trustworthy because it seems that simulated games can be easily manipulated and controlled by the operator, unless they declare they are running on provably fair which I suppose, they aren't. Since these games are run with the help of artificial intelligence, it would be much accessible to bypass. The feeling of entertainment and excitement won't be elevated as much too because there's a difference between playing in actual in virtual or in simulation.

If you really want to experience, you could try and then decide from your first-hand experience. It's still much better to figure it on your own to know if it's worth it or not. Just be vigilant in choosing and in betting.

That's a common mistake that a newbie can make because they are completely new to it and they don't have an idea if there are difference between the actual sports bet and the simulated reality games but once get the hang of it they will now realize that the two games are not completely the same.

You must be thankful if you placed your first bet on simulated reality games because you will have an experience with it while others that know sports betting first before this game, will never try betting on it because to them it can look weird and they won't risk money on something that they are not familiar with. If this is not displayed on sports betting site then where should they placed it? But better if they make a category to avoid confusion.

No matter how smart artificial intelligence and machine learning has proven to advance in the gambling sector it's reality games leagues is still not a complete luck trial. This is just an advance technology of real-life football experience that is still open to manipulative works and since it has a central control so nothing is perfect about the system

I'm not a fan of these things, though it gives you a better picture on how probabilities unfold and help reach a certain conclusion by letting things play out by themselves. Normally one would assume that these games already have the outcome before it is shown to other bettors, but there will always be auditors on these games in order to verify the veracity and integrity of the games being shown. Anyway, why would you bet on algorithms pushing numbers to play on their own instead of betting on real people doing the real sport?

It's still on the speculation side if I'll be asked. As the abbreviation implies it's still a simulation wherein players are just being simulated on how the play will goes though we never know how the play would went well. It's still not worth it compare to your own instinct of trusting what could be right when you provide that bet.

Ever have some one success got winning on simulated reality games? So far we have discuss about how running system with simulated reality games and many gambler ever stuck on this sport betting, will have possibility or chance winning on simulated reality game? I try several time actually played few minutes only but always failed to win and looks controlling by system what they want. I just play on several minutes before games ended but keep failure for winning.

Just watch it out https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2FcKhI1W9r0
This is simulation games to learn up real world skills which is something to be more useful rather than on focusing on applying it on gambling.
When it comes to interest then there are indeed some gamblers who do really love on dealing with simulated reality games
although having that sports betting is much more interesting imho.

@Fatunad
I am referring to simulated games managed by bookmakers / betting sites, not so much to generic games.
anyway thank you for the video, I've never seen games like this :)

We never know who has won in simulated reality games because maybe not many people use this type of game for various reasons. But if after you give it a try and find that the game looks like the system controls it, I don't think that there's going to be that many people who want to play in that game because if the system controls it, then that could be unfair because they can control every game. I've never tried it and seeing as you have, I don't seem interested in trying it.

There is no way you could verify those games are trusted or not. They are simulated games. They can be rigged any moment to favor the casino/provider. So, yeah, they are NOT trusted services. So if you want to play, you will have to trust them blindly.
Why do you have to bet on those simulated games when there are real live games/matches available? Or if you want to gamble,  just play on normal casino with normal games where you can verify all bets individually (provably fair).

I've seen others share their winning SRI bets on Stake but I never bothered asking their strategy since it's tough to come out on top or get an edge unlike with sports betting.

Imo there's no point in discussing the winning chances since it's a worse version of sports betting at the same time think of it as casino games and in casino games the longer you play the more you lose. It only becomes worth it when there's a promotion in place or there's more to it than just betting on the match.

I mean, it's just like how sports works, you can't exactly say for sure whether a game is rigged or not, so I guess we can give them the benefit of the doubt, though I do agree with just betting on live games instead if you really want to bet on sports games. Simulated games are just numbers fighting against each other, nothing more nothing else. Though if that's what you want, then go for it. I think it's more friendly in terms of actually relying on data when trying to predict the outcome.

I think that in recent times, more and more casinos are starting to report their use of provable fairness algorithms. 
And this is where the question arises of how honest and unpredictable the evidence they use is. 
Maybe someone has already figured out how to prove honesty when the author of the proof himself knows that some subtleties are embedded in the algorithm, such that it seems to be 90% honest and 10%, as it were, not quite honest.???   :)
I dare to suggest that people are working on this topic, they also want to receive a guaranteed profit. :)

In addition to your remarks, I note that when you try to play something - On the stock exchange or in a casino or somewhere else, and there they offer and provide options for demo versions, as if for training.  You should never play demo versions without real money stakes. 
Anyone who has practiced with demos when entering a real game immediately realizes that demos do not provide anything useful for practice when playing with real money. 
This should be taken into account for beginners.  Even if the bet is a few dollars.  But it must be real money, and not some kind of "candy wrappers"

Well, that's it. Using a demo account can provide a gaming experience to learn to know the system first before using real money. It is important for gamblers who want to dive into that game because it is different from what they have done in real sports betting.

By learning from using a demo account, it is hoped that gamblers who want to try placing bets on this type of bet can know the steps they must take before betting. Even though it's only a demo, if we study hard, I'm sure when we use a real account, we only need a moment to get used to placing bets on that type of bet.

On this aspect, fantasy sports games are better than simulated games, because they follow the performance of each player in real life to find results for the virtual matches, so there is some unavoidable logic there making the games harder or not possible to be rigged.

Since both are based in virtual experience, fantasy sports are preferable when compared to the simulated ones category.

You can tell because the movement of the player are weird but that can rarely happen and till now lots of people still have a trust on sports/betting. I know nothing about sri but it looks boring based on how you described it. This game is not for me but I will enjoy the games with real action.

I think if there are no other choices, people will play a game like sri and I think sri is already a thing before the sports betting came out? But, the moment sports betting came out, people then move to it, leaving sri behind, that's why we rarely hear an update with it. It wasn't bad at all because if your lucky you can still win and a sportbetting can also depend on luck sometimes.

I’m not interested in watching simulated reality games, but I am interested in the outcome. I know the NBA2K has become a popular franchise to simulate fantasy matchups or even current matchups or playoff possibilities. It’s always interesting to see who has a big game or which team wins. I’m not sure I could sit through watching it, but I am fascinated with the possibilities. Maybe someday virtual reality will be good enough that you’ll be able to sit courtside and watch your favorite players throughout history on the court together. Then I might be able to take part in spectating a game.

No doubt about that, with the Metaverse and the VR I think it is possible to watch the live game even if you are at home. About the simulated games, yes I see a lot of them and place bet on some of them when there's no live match available but I have doubts about it since we cannot verify how the game really works or they can manipulate the game.

As practice shows audits are not a hundred percent guarantee that everything will work as planned. This is well demonstrated by hacking smart contracts that have been successfully audited by several fairly well-known auditing companies.

And in my opinion, entrusting funds to the artificial intelligence is quite a reckless act.   

This just really depends on the gambler himself. People have different perspective and taste on things. Some people prefer to gamble in a physical casino itself or online because they can enjoy it much better. The thrill and excitement in playing is on another level to some whenever they play in actual form. While other people might prefer to gamble in simulation scenarios because it is convenient and more accessible to them. Although sometimes, simulated games are rigged and controlled. I guess this also depends on the operator and provider. Hence, the player must do a background check first.

I suggest if someone would want to try simulated games, pick an operator and provider that are reputable so they won't have their money wasted.

People pick the form of gambling that they would enjoy but as for me, it would be better to do a series of research first, especially in trying simulated games. It's better to look for legit and reputable providers especially for big-time bettors. Manipulated and controlled games would be unfair on our part so we should look for transparency.

Trusted casino operators will think like that but the risk is simply too high for us, after all it does not seems as if there is a way to verify the results and you will have to trust the casino operator is not scamming you, and at least to me that is simply unacceptable.

Even if I only gamble in trusted casinos sometimes I take the time to verify my bets to see if everything is fine and so far I have yet to find anything fishy going on, but it is important to keep your eyes open and keep verifying the results once in a while so your trust is renewed each time you do an exercise like this one.

It still depends on individual's preference. You may find it more lively and interactive but for some, its a lot way different compared to the real game with real players. But its more of an innovation really. I had witnessed a simulation game once or twice, and you will learn to love it more if you let yourself involved in it. Just like in the real game, the excitement is still there, but you know in the end you are still playing just a simulation, not the original players.

This kind of game will test your passion as it requires your time and patience to become successful, let's say being a "farmer". If you are not dedicated with what you are doing, you can't attain good harvest for example. So the simulated reality games are for people who knows how to follow thru their goals. Because if they won't dedicate their time to achieve something, they won't get anywhere with the game. So either you love the game or not. And there are many players getting ahead of the game because they really put effort and time into it.

Yeah exactly.

I don't understand why people prefer this sort of thing.

If you want the Simulated Reality experience then at least bet on something like esports where things are way harder to rig. Whereas if you just bet on a simulated reality game that is hosted by the website itself, you will likely find it extremely difficult to ensure that everything is provably fair and not rigged.

Simulated games are fake and not worth my time learning to play. There is a thrill in analysis of a real game before placing bets and then seeing if the odds go in one's favour or not, simulated games take that thrill away and hinges everything on chances. Simulated games of an original is a lazy man's game.

If it's a fake simulation game, how about that game that is available on some sports betting sites because I think some gamblers have placed on that game. Or are they just trying to place a bet without thinking if it's fake or real? But indeed, placing bets in real games will be more sensational because we can see how big the chances of each team are so we can choose them as our bets. But whether we're going to play a simulation game or choose a real game, of course, we're going to place a bet on something we know well. If we're trying to install on something we don't know then it's probably just a trial and error to see how the game works.

Good site on this matter because this can easily manipulated if not in sports gambling as the operator can simply put an end to any bettors and will ned us all losers.
so Simulated Gambling> this is not what i am looking and this is also not with my chance of playing.
though i have tried this already in the past but now? nope i quit trying coz i find the losing chances than winning .

Unfortunately, the experience is not very useful, because as soon as you switch to a game with real money, you will immediately feel the difference.  And not in your favor.
 Moreover, I think that the demo account algorithm is deliberately made more friendly to the player so that he starts losing faster when he starts playing and ... "unexpectedly" loses. :)

I agree, placing bets on simulated games without knowning if they are real or fake is very risky. We need to think before betting our money away, just because a bookmaker offers some odds doesn't mean that it's a fair game we gamble on. The thing with simulated games is that they offer a bigger variety of games to bet on. So in periods of breaks due to season holidays or breaks because of other issue, like covid lockdowns, we can still enjoy betting. Simulated games will full randomness involved are fair for every players. There is no edge to be gained, everybody has the same odds and it all comes down to who is lucky and who is unlucky.

Unfortunately, the experience is not very useful, because as soon as you switch to a game with real money, you will immediately feel the difference.  And not in your favor.
 Moreover, I think that the demo account algorithm is deliberately made more friendly to the player so that he starts losing faster when he starts playing and ... "unexpectedly" loses. :)
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Yeah, it's totally different when you play a demo then switching to the real one. I don't know but most probably has this assumption towards demo account and most would surely agree. I don't know if that was designed like that by developers but I highly say it might be. There should be some kind of tool for checking demo account if it's provably fair as well.

If you make bets on those events in which you do not understand, that is, make bets at random, then the probability of losing will increase by many times. You don't have to try to be a good player in all directions, be smart enough in several championships and follow the news in the teams to make bets with understanding. Of course, this will not guarantee you that all your bets will be winning, but the probability of this will be higher.

In that case I guess they will separate the gameplay of the Demo playing and the real time playing like the current state of gambling today. They open the feature of the demo playing just to the people who would like to know how the game works and enjoy at the same time of course it brings different experiences just in real-time and demo. This is is bring another kind of user experience and entertainment for the gamblers.

They are literally gambling there if they are betting on the game that they don't know but this is where they get fun and excitement, not on the game that they knew already. It can be clear that profit is not their first priority there. In sports betting, you don't have to be a player to be able to place a bet but knowledge in the game can be enough to have a chance to win if your goal is to make money.

Betting in championship match and other special match could be better than betting on a regular game because there can be special offers provided by the betting site but they are still fun to bet even if making a profit is not your priority.

I usually use filter and remove simulated reality sports game and cyber sports game like basketball and football even if they are controlled by two people. I don't trust them and only stick and rely to the real sports and provably fair games. I am not sure but there is an instinct in me that those game were not fair as real sports and in house games.

I agree.

I think most of the simulated reality games are being manipulated by their respective developers to maximize their bankroll every single day. I'd rather stick to real sports as well because it's more fun to do, and the excitement is always there to give you entertainment while betting. Simulated games for me are like those lowkey scheme NFT(s) that are flooding the market right now.

Indeed, but we cannot deny that these simulated reality games are getting good as time goes by and the developers have come to seek to make the game as real as may seem to the users but yes we can somehow say that these games are also rigged as part of the programs to tempt more users in their games. It's just a matter of perspective, it's just we are built and raised differently so if you're an avid gamer then I bet you would really enjoy and choose the virtual reality games that you think that you're in full control than the real sports.

These games were developed for the purpose of keeping the gambling sector going during breaks as, when the leagues comes to a close, there are always little for gamblers uo bet on and addicts frind it difficult to wait out the time for a new season. Hence, the simulated games where put in place as an intermediary but as times would have it, people got used to it and a lot better too. Most persons have the confidence on it's programming not to be tampered with so, they bet and accept results as it's produced. Now, the simulated games run side by side with live games and it's a matter of choice now for gamblers. One thing is sure, it ends really quickly and you can see your results in few minutes and that's how your wins or loses can come.
For this last reason, I don't fancy it as in few minutes, you could loose a whole lot when all you needed to do and avoid that was to go home!

I had no idea that was the reason those games were developed, but even then to me it does not make a lot of sense to bet on those games since there is nothing like the real thing.

I know some people may get impatient about their favorite sport being on a break, but in a way they should look at this as an opportunity to do something else or if this is a hobby they enjoy too much then they could save the money they had destined to gamble during those months and then use it to gamble on their favorite sport once the activity on the league it is resumed.

I'm not a big fan of computer games. However, my nephew is a big fan of FIFA games. Sometimes I can sit and drink a beer and watch my country's national football team (which in real life is not capable of much) win the World Cup.  ;D

At least he can learn how to play properly and learn about self-control, which may still need to be trained again to control himself well if he plays for real money. Yes, the experience will be different because even if he loses, it doesn't mean anything to him and it will be different if he uses real money. As long as he can understand how to play gambling properly, I don't think he will have any difficulties when he plays for real money.

Same here , because the thrill is not there , the reality seems like becoming computer generated from my perspective

I rather bet in Tennis(in which not my favorite) than to go in Simulated reality game.

maybe we all have our own looks in gambling and both of us have the same.

I've heard about these games, but honestly I don't know how they work, I don't understand what is the advantage of betting on these games while we have a variety of real game options to play and finally, I trust the honesty of whoever is promoting these games much less. games really be someone fair, who is not manipulating the results.
I don't know why they invent so much in gambling these days, at this point I stay away from it.

Despite the provably fair were undoubtfully there , people will feel cheated when they lost.

i believe everyone especially the newcomer who gamble irresponsibly would always feel this way , that is the fact. just give it a try , the thrill is there but with different feel , unlike the real match .. this siulated reality games always take a blame when things went really wrong like ... a winning from 1-0 to 1-6 .. that is insane indeed but in the real match that could happened too. so yeah you better stay away if you can't be responsible enough.

Its possible the reason these games are promoted is because the data feed for the results is more cheaply supplied then conventional betting.   The margins might be better for the provider and if enough people bet then its worth listing.

And even more likely that the outcome of the game can be changed at any time because the source code of the AI is not in the public domain and can not be read, which is quite rightly causes fears betting fans. The betting community is getting more and more used to the standards set by cryptocurrencies so they interact less and less in an environment that requires trust as it brings additional risks to their funds.

A possibly easier way for betters to use data to handle matches. As well as letting them create simulation matches by adding a bunch of random factors that wouldn't exactly happen in the real match, so basically creating a "what if" scenario in that match, making it more exciting and at the same time different from the original match that it was referenced from (or at least, to make it not as simple as a battle of numbers). It's honestly not a bad idea imo, just that there's too many ways to take advantage of it imo.

IMO, there are no such thing as good and bad in doing gambling as long as you're not seeing it as your primary source of income as that's where the greediness starts to take over your mind instead of just doing it as a past time or for entertainment. For me, gambling is just like an investment, only do invest/gamble such amounts that you could afford to lose.

These gambling acts has becoming quite a trend especially in the internet now, I think it started on 2019 when Covid first struck us. Either way, this gambling industries will continue to grow and it's inevitable.

I think that is the biggest problem that people have with it, the cryptocurrency casinos have set new standards in the gambling industry and now gamblers want to bee able to verify on their own that the results they are getting are in fact random and the casino is not cheating them, and if this is not possible then this creates distrust among the gamblers, and with good reason, after all if you make a big bet on an event you do not want to exist even the smallest possibility that the game could be rigged, something that is not impossible to rule out with those simulated games.

Yes, they'll make as much as they can if the demand asks for it. They'll invest, reinvent and make more conventional games that they think that shall be liken the market.
I've never been and played into simulated games but I think that's how it goes when you really get bored and you're looking for some actions when most were in their homes during the lock down.

This is the core reason i am not confident in wagging a bet in simulated games because you are not able to verify the games and i have not idea whether the matches are rigged and yet what surprises me is that there are many that wages huge bets on these matches and i am yet to understand the basic technique in making these predictions in simulated games.

Sometimes the game may really reduce boredom that's what attracts many people to hook up with the game because you don't really need a second player. The game is getting popular by the day because of some of the features that the game has .

I think when we hear about simulated realty games, the first thing that pops into my head are pre-performed games that are already done. It just so happens that the company or platform streaming would choose which game to showcase or to show in the media.

Like what most have mentioned, this kind of practice is subject heavily to manipulation since games are already decided on their part. If word spills out that manipulation and game rigging were to be done, then this could cost heavily on the reputation of the website.

I personally recommend avoiding simulated reality games. Though you can at least try it, but I advised against it.

It goes by the usual game that we've been used to but I think that everyone would get into the typical games or sports that we've been a fan of.
Trying out something new like with the simulated ones is also fun depending on the gambler's perspective if he or she is really enjoying on it.

It seems like technology has come a long way in the last few years, so there is a lot of potential for games like this. There is a place in my country you can visit with a large warehouse which supplies you with virtual / augmented reality headsets and you can move around a physical location while "shooting" virtual enemies. What is really needed is a system which can allow you to stay in one place but feel the effects of moving around so it syncs up with what you're seeing, but these seem to be in the early stages or cost a lot of money. It could even be used for all sorts of training down the line and it might even get rather scary with some games because VR projections can be super high definition.

As long as he can enjoy it, he can still play his favorite game and if it's a simulation game, maybe he needs to get used to it first before he bets on the actual game. Simulation games can help him get to know a certain type of game more deeply so that when he starts with the real game, he will not be surprised or he will know what to do. But if a person is bored with the game he is used to playing, it looks like he really needs to take a break because instead of trying another game, it could cost him a lot of losses.

I personally hate Simulated Reality based games because they defy logic and the past data and are completely random. I have seen certain players losing to some opponents against whom they have never lost in real life.

Look, I am not against simulated gambling but they are charging the same house edge as of real sports and the gambling itself is more like casino where the result is random. Why would you play casino at such a high house edge? I would rather roll the dice at 1% house edge than bet on a simulated game that has the same mechanism but charges 8% or so house edge. Plus the casino game is at least provably fair while simulated is never fair not played in real.

Sorry not to answer your question, but rather to ask about that "service". Unfortunately, I couldn't find anywhere anything like you described.

Could somone please provide a link to such a simulation of reality game?

Yes.It’s my point too.Because in a real life the player will had a stamina and performance against the opponent.So it’s not a possible one for them.The result of Simulated Reality based games are different from the real one.It was like by few people.Because he may be addicted to certain boxer,in a real game that boxer won’t win lb high then him.But in this gambling it was a possible one.

I honestly agree with you, simulated reality can never be compared to real reality, aside all you've said, simulated reality games also appears really boring to me, because they are a direct opposite of what the real games are, this is one of the reasons I rather be in the stadium watching the match live than watch it on TV, I even wonder how simulated reality games became a form of sports.

It is like we compare the online gambling to the real world gambling. Real world gambling is still more enjoyable because you can see a real crowd inside the casino but in online, your the only one that plays in your room. You can't do anything for now because the pandemic hit us and people are now restricted to go to the crowded areas.

Simulated reality games are not a sports but they can be a collection of sports games. A real definition of sports is something that it is played on the real world. With that explanation of @stepwilli above, this will give gamblers a new reason to avoid this game. I feel bad for those who invented this game.

Don't make a conclusion yet because simulated reality games are just starting.
And I believe, they can always get patrons for this type of game.
As many don't want to mingle with people in public, this game will get their niche in this gaming industry.
And also, just want to point out also that there are pros and cons of online casinos.
But people realize a lot of its benefits during this pandemic period, and some are still appreciating those benefits up until today.

In sports they are usually called Simulated Reality Leagues, because they not only simulate individual games rather the whole leagues and many games in there. It's not real matches, they use historical data for the teams and matches, but the games itself are randomly generated. The biggest markets are football and cricket matches, you can check them out here:
https://sportsbet.io/sports/cricket/simulated-reality-league/matches/future  (https://sportsbet.io/sports/cricket/simulated-reality-league/matches/future)

This is just betting on the games, it's not like you can watch the whole game on your TV. There can be graphical imagines of the games but they are all created after the games are simulated and only die illustration purposes. It must sound very strange to someone who hasn't heard about it before. There quite a lot of people really into that alternative reality games. It gives the opportunity to have many more games per week which would never be possible with real life players. We

I think the point is just that they are more like games than sports,,, that is all. Not to say that they have no place or that they cannot be taken seriously,,, the proof that millions watch and the players earn a lot shows that this is legitimate.

Maybe one day the definition of sports will evolve and Olympics will also be mental focused more than physical but for now, simulated reality is simulated reality and I would never call them sports :)

One day when I will bet on it then maybe I see it differently.

I'm not a big fan of it. I have seen a few and I don't trust them at all. Very arbitrary things happen on it and it might as well be rigged. You just don't know. I might as well bet on provably fair dice, if I don't want to bet on actual sports.

It is just the fact that it is online and we don't have any proofs or we can check whether that simulated reality games are real or not or if the third party service can manipulate the game based on the number or amount of total bets in that game.

During the pandemic times, there were no sports last year and during those times I started to bet on simulated reality games and while I am not a fan of these games, there is no problem gambling on them when you have nothing else going on. You either bet on those TT games that are mostly rigged or you have to bet on these simulated reality games.

There are some soccer games where they show a gaming type of stream and you can bet on it, like 10 mins FIFA or something like that. As long as you are having fun betting on any of these, that's completely fine. But, if you are gambling on these simulated sports because you're desperate to gambling and don't have enough events, it's a problem.

That is very true. During lockdown months, people are finding ways what to do to avoid mental stress. People are even watching replays again and again. And thus, these reality games got popular even from non gamblers. And I think, their presence will still continue as some of these people are still patronizing this owed to the fact that they already got used to it. Or they don't want to go in overcrowded places anymore. So they are just happy to stay at home and have a bet on these simulated reality games.

That's one of the purpose of simulated games but there's also real money that's involved on it. So, the risk is still the same, win or lose, you get to have it no matter and how good or bad you are with it.
Well, we get bored easily so trying something new is normal to us and if we find it interesting and enjoyable and as well as profitable, we'll stay on it and keep playing with it.

Interesting. I have seen this at several bookmakers but didn't take it seriously as it looks like slot machines to me (purely psychologically). I would like to know if anyone has done research on how well these games match the real ones - are there such insane results that we sometimes see in reality or the spread of outcomes is smoother.

I think that's the purpose of playing gambling games, not just simulation games. As long as people can enjoy the gambling game, whatever the model and the game, it won't be a problem for us or other people or other gamblers because each of us will choose the type of game we like. Others may suggest trying to play a certain game, but it is we who enjoy the game and we will also experience it. But yes, we know the risks will remain the same, so be careful in spending money to play gambling.

Is simulated realty games is different from player versus player games? like NBA 2k game, Tekken, Mortal Combat, etc? or was that games comes from third party provider? If it was from third party then we should not trust it. I usually filter this kind of game I am not sure why they include it in sports sometimes I get confused to it and place bet on those game.

Well, there are definitely pros and cons to both online and offline casinos, and for the online casinos, you already mentioned one which is that its open even during the pandemic, and like you said, people appreciate this and I believe online casinos are already here to stay, whether pandemic or no pandemic, I can bet my balls that online casinos make far more money than offline casinos this days and I believe this will continue even after the pandemic is permanently gone, and one other pros I see in online casinos is its broadness and unlimitedness, this is a situation where an online casinos who's physical office is based in USA, has millions of users around the globe, this is the power of the internet.
Too bad too that this is a con for offline casinos, because their analogy style limits them from getting customers around the world, but the pro here is that, offline casinos are more enjoyable than online casinos, the only joy in online casino is when one wins a bet.

But in this, I still prefer reality over visual, this is one of the reasons I hate NFTs and will never buy them with my money, if you find an NFTs or NFTs in my wallet, know it I got them for free.

It could never be comparable when it talks about reality aspects which neither it would happen or not and since its simulated games then results could really be totally random and surprisingly
there were people who do really get interested on making out some bets out of these games considering that they arent live ones or basing up on historical data just like on whats been mentioned
above then it might be totally or 100% random in result where some people do find it out to be interesting.

It is definitely different, simulated reality games probably use a model or algorithm that's based on the actual stats of the teams but there's still randomness to it as certain models act differently to certain matchups.

Esports is the other category you're referring to since it's based on a PvP format. Anyway, some bookies always have an SRL acronym at the end of the markets whenever they offer these types of games for pre live or live betting.

Praise the Almighty! 
The pandemic is close to an end and humanity will probably return to its usual way of life and communication between people. 
However, now in Europe a new misfortune.  You all know what I'm talking about.  Alas, this seems to be a long time. 
But I still think this process of getting out of the pandemic will reduce the use of online games and encourage people to participate in real games a little.  And this is much more useful for live communication and for physical exertion on the body.  It's good for health. 
In general, it is time for humanity to stop immersion in virtual worlds, there are already too many of them. 
And then AI will enslave all people and there will be peace, like in the movie "Matrix" :)

I support your point of view. Humanity needs to understand that large corporations use our time only for their own enrichment. The more we are online, the less we participate in real life and in solving the real problems facing our world, whether it be pandemics or conflicts between countries.

But unfortunately, many people are happy with what these companies offer. They seem eager to taste it and own it. Our world in the future will be different and with the development of today's technology becoming more advanced, we will be less likely to participate in real life. Maybe there will be no more visits to the homes of our distant relatives by car or motorbike to see the surroundings because we can get it through technology. That is what we will face in the future, whether we like it or not.

Immersion in virtual technologies has not yet spread to many countries. 
But I think that in some foreseeable time, opposition to this penetration will be born and will spread.  Some balance has to be found here. 
For example, the most common game in the world is football.  Well, how can you replace all those passions of the fans and the players themselves with a computer picture?  It simply cannot be replaced. 
But when the world reaches the real / virtual balance, this issue, as I believe, has not yet been resolved.  I would like to quickly determine this balance and finally decide.

The saddest thing is that many of us do not realize that no technology can replace or recreate the real feelings and reactions that arise in the human body when we meet in person after a long separation. It is impossible to convey the feelings of a kiss from a loved one, a caress and a firm, friendly hug from a distance. That's why I think you should spend more time in the real world and not try to turn yourself into an avatar.

Of course, it will feel strange for people used to using the previous methods. As people who live in this transitional era, we cannot deny the presence of virtual technology and even some of us feel happy using this technology. But luckily, people can still use the old ways to play and haven't really thought about using ways that use virtual technology.

It will disappear from human civilization in the future because it will be replaced by virtual technology that is newer than what we see today. People seem to welcome its presence and want to try it even though the technology itself still needs to be perfected. But someday, when technology has developed rapidly in the future, people will feel lost to be able to feel real touch.

Yes, this is because real communication is gradually being forced out of our lives because of the emergence of new technologies. This can be clearly seen in the last three or four generations. The older generation still lives in reality and needs to communicate because in their youth there were no gadgets for communication. With each new generation, the attachment to new technology is getting higher. Good or bad, everyone decides for himself.

I understand where you're coming from. It's really difficult to trust simulated games because there's a high probability they are being controlled or manipulated in accordance to what the developer or operator wants. Simulated games could be rigged because they can conduct a game prior and just show the players the results inclined with them to gain more profit. I know this might not be the case for every simulated games there is, but we can't help but to doubt most especially if it isn't running under probably fair.

For gamblers to trust this kind of algorithms, their code must be open to all. Until it is not, there will be no trust.

If rigged matches can be found in big sports, it is impossible to completely rule out possible cheating by simulated reality game providers. But the most interesting thing is that we are unlikely to ever know the answer to the main question - how often they are abused.

I don't know anything about this game but I think, if the type of game grows over time then it's likely a trusted service. At least as long as the user or player doesn't have a problem then we can just rely on it, different if there are many players who complain then that will be a consideration too. About something that is set or not I think it depends on how high the win rate of the other players is, if they still get a win in a few rounds then at least we can say something fair or not.

Proper simulations should give results that, on large amounts of data, will be indistinguishable from the results of non-simulated games. That is, regardless of whether you really toss 10 dice or simulate this process, with a certain number of tosses, you should get 10 sixes.
Still, when I think about the mathematical background of the process, I understand that I will never bet on simulated games, because it may be almost the same with a "live" game, but in a live game, the better and the bookmaker compete in predicting an unknown event and in simulated games, the bookmaker is initially on the side that controls all possible outcomes.

ready to be denied:
is this really the case in these kinds of games?
as far as I know, for this type of bets / matches there is no process that allows you to independently verify the final result.
or something that help to understand how the final result has been determined.
likewise in Dice you can verify your roll.... here you can verify what happens?
if between a "super favorite" and a "very poor" team the result is always a bit obvious ... if this not happens how can we verify these results? More over, the result is determined by what kind of calculations?

One interesting angle on this is how simulated reality games will be able to connect different players across the world in new ways. Just imagine a device which could, in some sort of suspended mech suit, impose all the expected gravitational forces you might get and accompanied by some sort of weather generator, combined with a full visual and auditory headset almost trick the brain into a sensory overload where you would enter a virtual environment completely. It could mean football matches, or any activity for that matter, being played in a virtual stadium without players having to leave their own home setup. It's a bit of a scary thought how far technology will progress but it's going to reach this point and ultimately end up like the matrix (hopefully without the robot overlords)

To this I will add that in sport betting you can reduce the edge the casino has against you with skillful play, something that is not really possible with those simulated games, so while I can understand why some people may like them, anyone that is somewhat serious about sport betting will never think about putting a single bet in one of those games as the few measures they can take to improve their chances to get a win are useless in those simulated games, so you may as well stick to what you know, also many people make sports bet to increase the enjoyment they get out of watching the sport they like, which is something they cannot do with simulated games either.

though it is growing over time yet we must experience the game first before we could say good about the specific game specially if we  don't really have any idea .

I am also are not a Simulated reality player but I read about this over time and my assumption about Simulated gaming is cool and getting popular nowadays.

Usually when having experience they know about what is  simulated reality games and as sport betting will know about football match and always check on schedule when match begin and looking on fixture standing to bet at some team. Maybe still beginner and not really understand about football match they will play with  simulated reality games and looking about what match have betting. They do not know about what is  simulated reality games and will be experience for them next time will play on real match than simulated reality games.

After all, humans are social creatures who need a real sense of touch and if we lose that, then the possibility of feeling like a human will also disappear. So actually, even though technology has developed rapidly and even though we can communicate remotely or play games with various technological advances, including using VR, it would be better to maintain real communication with each other so that we can still feel touch as humans. We can use the latest technology but it's better to stick with the habits we used to do in the real world.

Unfortunately, we all live in a world filled with lies and fakes.  :(
So the development of the whole civilization in the 21st century has gone on.
See, for example, how we are presented with news about the situation in Syria or Ukraine. In this news, there are only fakes and staged scenes.
So it is obvious that those programmers who write programs for online casinos probably insert some kind of scripts into the codes, allowing in some cases to slightly "correct" the results of the draws. Moreover, they are masked quite strongly so that it is difficult to determine and prove it.
I don't even doubt it.

It looks like majority of us do not trust this kind of game and it is very nice since it only shows that we improved and not easy to believe just like before. We are now looking at things carefully and looking to verify it and if we can't verify it then we stay away on it for good.

I can understand your concerns with what you are saying but would an open source code really be such a good idea? In fact, that might be bad opsec in of itself. I am no expert on code opsec but I think the better option would be to keep your code secret but always audited, if possible, by verified auditors for code.

At some point in the future, once they have gone through many audits and then they decide to show everyone the code, some single hacker could find a nice loophole in the code and that will be the end of whichever platform used that code.

As history shows, attackers find bugs even in the code, which has been checked by more than one well-known auditing organization. Nothing better than open source and vulnerability reward programs has been invented yet. That's why I advocate open source code which can be tested by anyone who understands it.

Maybe we don't believe in this kind of game because we can't imagine what it's like to play using aids such as glasses or something else. But if the technology can continue to develop and more companies try to introduce it to the public, I think people will be curious and want to try it. It may take some time for people to accept this kind of game and if it really appeals to them, this trend will replace the old one.

And even if they do not the possibility that this could be possible is all what is necessary for us to reject those games, after all is not that the reason we are invested in bitcoin in the first place? Governments have the power to print as much fiat as they want and they always promise they are never going to abuse such power.

But what is what we see through history every single time? Governments abusing their power to print fiat, something which we saw during the pandemic and it is the main source of inflation around the world, even if governments want to blame this on supply issues, the price of oil or the war at Ukraine, so it is better to stay away from those games just on principle alone.

Trust is not mainly about the game but its also on the platform that we are playing. Some says that this game is not provably fair not unlike to most crypto games like dice that we can verify their fairness. Playing this game on a trusted platform will still not make sense then? because you can still lose but that's how gambling work right?

It's about losing and winning. If you think you are skillful enough and you play mainly for the profit then this game is clearly not for you. You said its about the win rate? win rate helps determine if which is best to bet but at the end, a low win rate player will still have a chance to win the match but it doesn't mean that it was not fair.

If we do not have an exact mathematical model of the game, then of course we cannot fully verify the correctness of the results obtained. But hypothetically it can be done. For example, it is unlikely that the favorite plays 1000 times better than the outsider - this is contrary to the sports league system. Therefore, if, for example, in 2000 games, an outsider has never defeated a favorite, then this should raise huge questions.

So your words have a rational basis, but most bettors will choose to bet on real games in which the outcome of the match can be more accurately predicted because we can observe in real time the athletic form of players, injuries, reshuffles, etc. I could be wrong but it seems to me that in simulated reality games, probability has a greater role and therefore it is an increased risk.

But it's true. In recent years, we, Internet users, have become so accustomed to the flow of lies and disinfection that we have become indifferent to this. I don't believe any news 100%. Especially if the news is about politics or about some achievements of science and technology. For example, how we are all deceived about pandemics - how can we understand whether the virus was artificially created by the Americans or is it of natural origin ???
As a result, everyone got confused, they lied and simply want to earn more and lie, lie, lie, endlessly.  :(

Yes. It's so hard to find informations about the developers behind the algorithms and the algorithms themselves. This betting category is really shady. They say hundreds or thousands of previous games results of each team are taken into consideration when programming the algorithm, what I suppose it's being constantly done in real time, increasing even more the possibility of manipulation by the operators to favour one side or another.

It totally contrasts with the achievements of crypto gambling industry for gamblers, which is heavily backed by the provably fair feature, raising transparency on this environment to a new level never seen before at land based casinos.

I don't like what perla said there, that sounds like a disrespect to this game. The reason why most don't like it is because it is not as popular as the classic games that we saw on gambling sites but if more people have been exposed to it maybe they will also play this game and they can potentially like it but we can't say that it will then replace the other games, no that's not gonna happen because there are features that can only be found on other games but not on this one.

This game is real so why will someone won't believe on it? Or they don't believe that they can win on this type of game? well how will they know if they will just comment and not trying it?

I've recently begun to question the honesty of algorithms that we're told are based on the principles of provable fairness.  I now think that some ingenious developer has already created such algorithms that are, as it were, provably fair, and as soon as their execution begins, they seem to become not too fair.  Provable fair is increasingly becoming a trademark and a marketing ploy to generate additional income, in my opinion.

Of course, most real bettors choose to bet on real sporting events, as they place bets based not on the numbers that bookmakers draw, but on the information they collect about teams and analyze. But some bettors who are actually gamblers will bet on anything, even simulation of real games. But the question under discussion is different - how similar is the simulation to reality? I cannot give any specific answer to this question, since here we need to analyze a large amount of data from simulations that have already happened.

I feel like its not worth it... its just an easy way to continue with a sample game

Maybe you and I like the real game more than a simulation, but simulation games have their audience. They have more than that, TV shows, commentators, a lot of people are behind all that! So I wouldn’t say it’s not worth it, maybe it’s not big yet, but I think it has the potential to grow in the future! Simply people like simulations, there are many simulation games around, and I guess with technology these games will be better and more wanted!

Although Simulation games are not so popular but still they are liked by many people.

Since we are discussing this from the gambling point of view, do we have any bets on simulated games?  I haven't heard of any.

What do you mean by any bets on simulated games? There are some platforms that offer these events on their lineups, though the events in which you can bet on is very limited. I myself have never seen such a line on Pinnacle or Nitrogensports that I can bet on. Most of the time, that section of the platform is empty. On rare occasions that it ever gets bet on, I only see the results on betslips that people are sharing and that's it.

It is difficult to answer this question. I never bet on simulated reality games because my gut tells me that I can be easily cheated and I won't even get a negative experience with it. That's why I prefer to bet on the real game and even in case of losing I will be sure that nobody cheated me and I analyzed the outcome of the match incorrectly myself.   

It would be interesting to test this audience for addiction and compare the percentage of addicts with the percentage of addicts among regular betters. I have a lot of confidence that among the fans of simulated games, the percentage of addicts will be much higher - after all, they go to simulated games simply because they cannot wait for the next regular game to start.