What is your opinions about simulated reality games?

[madnessteat]

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For gamblers to trust this kind of algorithms, their code must be open to all. Until it is not, there will be no trust.

If rigged matches can be found in big sports, it is impossible to completely rule out possible cheating by simulated reality game providers. But the most interesting thing is that we are unlikely to ever know the answer to the main question - how often they are abused.

[hahay]

I don't know anything about this game but I think, if the type of game grows over time then it's likely a trusted service. At least as long as the user or player doesn't have a problem then we can just rely on it, different if there are many players who complain then that will be a consideration too. About something that is set or not I think it depends on how high the win rate of the other players is, if they still get a win in a few rounds then at least we can say something fair or not.

[Boristhecat]

Interesting. I have seen this at several bookmakers but didn't take it seriously as it looks like slot machines to me (purely psychologically). I would like to know if anyone has done research on how well these games match the real ones - are there such insane results that we sometimes see in reality or the spread of outcomes is smoother.

It could never be comparable when it talks about reality aspects which neither it would happen or not and since its simulated games then results could really be totally random and surprisingly
there were people who do really get interested on making out some bets out of these games considering that they arent live ones or basing up on historical data just like on whats been mentioned
above then it might be totally or 100% random in result where some people do find it out to be interesting.

Proper simulations should give results that, on large amounts of data, will be indistinguishable from the results of non-simulated games. That is, regardless of whether you really toss 10 dice or simulate this process, with a certain number of tosses, you should get 10 sixes.
Still, when I think about the mathematical background of the process, I understand that I will never bet on simulated games, because it may be almost the same with a "live" game, but in a live game, the better and the bookmaker compete in predicting an unknown event and in simulated games, the bookmaker is initially on the side that controls all possible outcomes.

[bitbollo]

Interesting. I have seen this at several bookmakers but didn't take it seriously as it looks like slot machines to me (purely psychologically). I would like to know if anyone has done research on how well these games match the real ones - are there such insane results that we sometimes see in reality or the spread of outcomes is smoother.

It could never be comparable when it talks about reality aspects which neither it would happen or not and since its simulated games then results could really be totally random and surprisingly
there were people who do really get interested on making out some bets out of these games considering that they arent live ones or basing up on historical data just like on whats been mentioned
above then it might be totally or 100% random in result where some people do find it out to be interesting.

Proper simulations should give results that, on large amounts of data, will be indistinguishable from the results of non-simulated games. That is, regardless of whether you really toss 10 dice or simulate this process, with a certain number of tosses, you should get 10 sixes.
Still, when I think about the mathematical background of the process, I understand that I will never bet on simulated games, because it may be almost the same with a "live" game, but in a live game, the better and the bookmaker compete in predicting an unknown event and in simulated games, the bookmaker is initially on the side that controls all possible outcomes.

ready to be denied:
is this really the case in these kinds of games?
as far as I know, for this type of bets / matches there is no process that allows you to independently verify the final result.
or something that help to understand how the final result has been determined.
likewise in Dice you can verify your roll.... here you can verify what happens?
if between a "super favorite" and a "very poor" team the result is always a bit obvious ... if this not happens how can we verify these results? More over, the result is determined by what kind of calculations?

[Fortify]

Interesting. I have seen this at several bookmakers but didn't take it seriously as it looks like slot machines to me (purely psychologically). I would like to know if anyone has done research on how well these games match the real ones - are there such insane results that we sometimes see in reality or the spread of outcomes is smoother.

It could never be comparable when it talks about reality aspects which neither it would happen or not and since its simulated games then results could really be totally random and surprisingly
there were people who do really get interested on making out some bets out of these games considering that they arent live ones or basing up on historical data just like on whats been mentioned
above then it might be totally or 100% random in result where some people do find it out to be interesting.

Proper simulations should give results that, on large amounts of data, will be indistinguishable from the results of non-simulated games. That is, regardless of whether you really toss 10 dice or simulate this process, with a certain number of tosses, you should get 10 sixes.
Still, when I think about the mathematical background of the process, I understand that I will never bet on simulated games, because it may be almost the same with a "live" game, but in a live game, the better and the bookmaker compete in predicting an unknown event and in simulated games, the bookmaker is initially on the side that controls all possible outcomes.

One interesting angle on this is how simulated reality games will be able to connect different players across the world in new ways. Just imagine a device which could, in some sort of suspended mech suit, impose all the expected gravitational forces you might get and accompanied by some sort of weather generator, combined with a full visual and auditory headset almost trick the brain into a sensory overload where you would enter a virtual environment completely. It could mean football matches, or any activity for that matter, being played in a virtual stadium without players having to leave their own home setup. It's a bit of a scary thought how far technology will progress but it's going to reach this point and ultimately end up like the matrix (hopefully without the robot overlords)

[Silberman]

I personally hate Simulated Reality based games because they defy logic and the past data and are completely random. I have seen certain players losing to some opponents against whom they have never lost in real life.

Look, I am not against simulated gambling but they are charging the same house edge as of real sports and the gambling itself is more like casino where the result is random. Why would you play casino at such a high house edge? I would rather roll the dice at 1% house edge than bet on a simulated game that has the same mechanism but charges 8% or so house edge. Plus the casino game is at least provably fair while simulated is never fair not played in real.

To this I will add that in sport betting you can reduce the edge the casino has against you with skillful play, something that is not really possible with those simulated games, so while I can understand why some people may like them, anyone that is somewhat serious about sport betting will never think about putting a single bet in one of those games as the few measures they can take to improve their chances to get a win are useless in those simulated games, so you may as well stick to what you know, also many people make sports bet to increase the enjoyment they get out of watching the sport they like, which is something they cannot do with simulated games either.

[btc78]

I don't know anything about this game but I think, if the type of game grows over time then it's likely a trusted service. At least as long as the user or player doesn't have a problem then we can just rely on it, different if there are many players who complain then that will be a consideration too. About something that is set or not I think it depends on how high the win rate of the other players is, if they still get a win in a few rounds then at least we can say something fair or not.

though it is growing over time yet we must experience the game first before we could say good about the specific game specially if we  don't really have any idea .

I am also are not a Simulated reality player but I read about this over time and my assumption about Simulated gaming is cool and getting popular nowadays.

[Jasad]

I don't know anything about this game but I think, if the type of game grows over time then it's likely a trusted service. At least as long as the user or player doesn't have a problem then we can just rely on it, different if there are many players who complain then that will be a consideration too. About something that is set or not I think it depends on how high the win rate of the other players is, if they still get a win in a few rounds then at least we can say something fair or not.

though it is growing over time yet we must experience the game first before we could say good about the specific game specially if we  don't really have any idea .

I am also are not a Simulated reality player but I read about this over time and my assumption about Simulated gaming is cool and getting popular nowadays.

Usually when having experience they know about what is  simulated reality games and as sport betting will know about football match and always check on schedule when match begin and looking on fixture standing to bet at some team. Maybe still beginner and not really understand about football match they will play with  simulated reality games and looking about what match have betting. They do not know about what is  simulated reality games and will be experience for them next time will play on real match than simulated reality games.

[ipanks]

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After all, humans are social creatures who need a real sense of touch and if we lose that, then the possibility of feeling like a human will also disappear. So actually, even though technology has developed rapidly and even though we can communicate remotely or play games with various technological advances, including using VR, it would be better to maintain real communication with each other so that we can still feel touch as humans. We can use the latest technology but it's better to stick with the habits we used to do in the real world.

[delfastTions]

Still, when I think about the mathematical background of the process, I understand that I will never bet on simulated games, because it may be almost the same with a "live" game, but in a live game, the better and the bookmaker compete in predicting an unknown event and in simulated games, the bookmaker is initially on the side that controls all possible outcomes.

Unfortunately, we all live in a world filled with lies and fakes. 
So the development of the whole civilization in the 21st century has gone on.
See, for example, how we are presented with news about the situation in Syria or Ukraine. In this news, there are only fakes and staged scenes.
So it is obvious that those programmers who write programs for online casinos probably insert some kind of scripts into the codes, allowing in some cases to slightly "correct" the results of the draws. Moreover, they are masked quite strongly so that it is difficult to determine and prove it.
I don't even doubt it.

[perla]

It looks like majority of us do not trust this kind of game and it is very nice since it only shows that we improved and not easy to believe just like before. We are now looking at things carefully and looking to verify it and if we can't verify it then we stay away on it for good.

[goldkingcoiner]

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For gamblers to trust this kind of algorithms, their code must be open to all. Until it is not, there will be no trust.

If rigged matches can be found in big sports, it is impossible to completely rule out possible cheating by simulated reality game providers. But the most interesting thing is that we are unlikely to ever know the answer to the main question - how often they are abused.

I can understand your concerns with what you are saying but would an open source code really be such a good idea? In fact, that might be bad opsec in of itself. I am no expert on code opsec but I think the better option would be to keep your code secret but always audited, if possible, by verified auditors for code.

At some point in the future, once they have gone through many audits and then they decide to show everyone the code, some single hacker could find a nice loophole in the code and that will be the end of whichever platform used that code.

[madnessteat]

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As history shows, attackers find bugs even in the code, which has been checked by more than one well-known auditing organization. Nothing better than open source and vulnerability reward programs has been invented yet. That's why I advocate open source code which can be tested by anyone who understands it.

[ethereumhunter]

It looks like majority of us do not trust this kind of game and it is very nice since it only shows that we improved and not easy to believe just like before. We are now looking at things carefully and looking to verify it and if we can't verify it then we stay away on it for good.

Maybe we don't believe in this kind of game because we can't imagine what it's like to play using aids such as glasses or something else. But if the technology can continue to develop and more companies try to introduce it to the public, I think people will be curious and want to try it. It may take some time for people to accept this kind of game and if it really appeals to them, this trend will replace the old one.

[wxa7115]

Still, when I think about the mathematical background of the process, I understand that I will never bet on simulated games, because it may be almost the same with a "live" game, but in a live game, the better and the bookmaker compete in predicting an unknown event and in simulated games, the bookmaker is initially on the side that controls all possible outcomes.

Unfortunately, we all live in a world filled with lies and fakes. 
So the development of the whole civilization in the 21st century has gone on.
See, for example, how we are presented with news about the situation in Syria or Ukraine. In this news, there are only fakes and staged scenes.
So it is obvious that those programmers who write programs for online casinos probably insert some kind of scripts into the codes, allowing in some cases to slightly "correct" the results of the draws. Moreover, they are masked quite strongly so that it is difficult to determine and prove it.
I don't even doubt it.

And even if they do not the possibility that this could be possible is all what is necessary for us to reject those games, after all is not that the reason we are invested in bitcoin in the first place? Governments have the power to print as much fiat as they want and they always promise they are never going to abuse such power.

But what is what we see through history every single time? Governments abusing their power to print fiat, something which we saw during the pandemic and it is the main source of inflation around the world, even if governments want to blame this on supply issues, the price of oil or the war at Ukraine, so it is better to stay away from those games just on principle alone.

[jostorres]

I don't know anything about this game but I think, if the type of game grows over time then it's likely a trusted service. At least as long as the user or player doesn't have a problem then we can just rely on it, different if there are many players who complain then that will be a consideration too. About something that is set or not I think it depends on how high the win rate of the other players is, if they still get a win in a few rounds then at least we can say something fair or not.

Trust is not mainly about the game but its also on the platform that we are playing. Some says that this game is not provably fair not unlike to most crypto games like dice that we can verify their fairness. Playing this game on a trusted platform will still not make sense then? because you can still lose but that's how gambling work right?

It's about losing and winning. If you think you are skillful enough and you play mainly for the profit then this game is clearly not for you. You said its about the win rate? win rate helps determine if which is best to bet but at the end, a low win rate player will still have a chance to win the match but it doesn't mean that it was not fair.

[Boristhecat]

Proper simulations should give results that, on large amounts of data, will be indistinguishable from the results of non-simulated games. That is, regardless of whether you really toss 10 dice or simulate this process, with a certain number of tosses, you should get 10 sixes.
Still, when I think about the mathematical background of the process, I understand that I will never bet on simulated games, because it may be almost the same with a "live" game, but in a live game, the better and the bookmaker compete in predicting an unknown event and in simulated games, the bookmaker is initially on the side that controls all possible outcomes.

ready to be denied:
is this really the case in these kinds of games?
as far as I know, for this type of bets / matches there is no process that allows you to independently verify the final result.
or something that help to understand how the final result has been determined.
likewise in Dice you can verify your roll.... here you can verify what happens?
if between a "super favorite" and a "very poor" team the result is always a bit obvious ... if this not happens how can we verify these results? More over, the result is determined by what kind of calculations?

If we do not have an exact mathematical model of the game, then of course we cannot fully verify the correctness of the results obtained. But hypothetically it can be done. For example, it is unlikely that the favorite plays 1000 times better than the outsider - this is contrary to the sports league system. Therefore, if, for example, in 2000 games, an outsider has never defeated a favorite, then this should raise huge questions.

[madnessteat]

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So your words have a rational basis, but most bettors will choose to bet on real games in which the outcome of the match can be more accurately predicted because we can observe in real time the athletic form of players, injuries, reshuffles, etc. I could be wrong but it seems to me that in simulated reality games, probability has a greater role and therefore it is an increased risk.

[delfastTions]

It looks like majority of us do not trust this kind of game and it is very nice since it only shows that we improved and not easy to believe just like before. We are now looking at things carefully and looking to verify it and if we can't verify it then we stay away on it for good.

But it's true. In recent years, we, Internet users, have become so accustomed to the flow of lies and disinfection that we have become indifferent to this. I don't believe any news 100%. Especially if the news is about politics or about some achievements of science and technology. For example, how we are all deceived about pandemics - how can we understand whether the virus was artificially created by the Americans or is it of natural origin
As a result, everyone got confused, they lied and simply want to earn more and lie, lie, lie, endlessly. 

[uneng]

If we do not have an exact mathematical model of the game, then of course we cannot fully verify the correctness of the results obtained.

Yes. It's so hard to find informations about the developers behind the algorithms and the algorithms themselves. This betting category is really shady. They say hundreds or thousands of previous games results of each team are taken into consideration when programming the algorithm, what I suppose it's being constantly done in real time, increasing even more the possibility of manipulation by the operators to favour one side or another.

It totally contrasts with the achievements of crypto gambling industry for gamblers, which is heavily backed by the provably fair feature, raising transparency on this environment to a new level never seen before at land based casinos.