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There are so many people in the Bitcoin Talk Forum who have interest to discover the true identity of the Bitcoin and Blockchain inventor. Also there are few who oppose the matter, that Satoshi Nakamoto must not reveal his identity.

I am so much confused regarding matter. So I think, it would be better to arrange a concensus about the identity of the Bitcoin and Blockchain inventor. The members of this forum can vote for themselves and it will be helpful for Satoshi Nakamoto to make a correct discussion.

What is your opinion ? 

Why there should be a consensus on the matter? Its not like Satoshi will reveal his identity if majority of people in bitcoin community wants him to do it.


I personally never put too much thought into who actually Satoshi is (I did some initial digging when I first heard about Bitcoin and that's about it) and I hope it will never be revealed. Having his identity revealed would mean just one vector of attack on bitcoin and I think him being anonymous is a huge advantage (beside many others) over other cryptocurrencies.

Obviously not. What has Satoshi (or Bitcoin) have to gain with it in the first place? More than a decade of tight opsec just to budge in the end for no reason at all. Probably the only viable reason is that if Satoshi ended up being a masochist because the authorities would surely be on his arse.

You have stated "one vector attack"  if he reveals his identity but do you thing Satoshi is interested to attack his own creation ?  If he decides to takes control Bitcoin and any other of his Altcoins then why do you thing he cannot do it while he is anonymous ?

What correct decision should Satoshi make again when he had made the correct decision in the past? People that make bitcoin to still be existing can conclude that they are all Satoshi which is something very great.

Satoshi not disclose his identity has been what bitcoin community so much appreciate.

1. mk4: verdict - No.

When Satoshi will becomes the authority over the global incompetent authorities then how the drama will be organised ?

Why ? I don't think so bro think about it if he/she does it in back 10 years ago then can you expect him/her to be alive well i think that was a good move to not reveal the identity. What can we get after knowing him / her except for awarding him / her with nobal prizes. Financial freedom a concept by the satoshi and i am thankful for that idea.

What would a consensus do here? Satoshi is not a programme who will reveal his identity after the consensus! Everyone wants to know the real identity of Satoshi because that's it's mysterious. But honestly I think it won't be good for Satoshi himself it he reveals his identity. I strongly believe that Craig Wright is a setup by FBI to lure Satoshi out of his excile which failed miserably!

There's no need for consensus. If bitcoin has done even a little good to your life, respect the decision of its creator.

It's an attack vector in a sense that whatever information is known/revealed about Satoshi can be used to socially attack Bitcoin. Obviously Bitcoin is already decentralized enough to the point that not a single entity (even Satoshi himself/herself/themselves) cannot take control over the network.



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The important issue here is, how will these people find out the true identity of the satoshi. And if people on the forum want him back, what is certain he will agree to? Have you ever thought about what horrors he will face if his identity is revealed? and how you would benefit from knowing his identity. Please respect his decision, if he wants to appear then he will definitely show up, we don't need to worry about that for him.

There few earlier developers, who think they are all 'Satoshi'. Its mean they want to not only infringe Satoshi's intellectual but his very individual persona. That could become a hideous takeover, which is not ethical. The outcome could be soothing like much more undesirable.

The "we are all Satoshi" movement is obviously not to be taken literally. That movement just came up after the barrage of people claiming to be the "real" Satoshi, to sort of symbolize that Satoshi is anonymous and could be anyone, but not those who claim to be so because it obviously goes against the ethos.

There are numbers of reputable  people in the forum who knows Satoshi. Thinking of horror from the Governments is illogical. If the government want him, then governments are capable to find him. Indeed, few governments knew Satoshi and his work before the 31 October 2009 in the very early. So, this is just merely an speculation.

Nope, that's not what I meant when I mentioned  "vector attack" and mk4 already explained you what I wanted to say by that and I don't even understand how you came to that conclusion.


This is just your assumption that is based on nothing really.  After all, you know the saying "extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence".


I don't think that governments are as capable as you like to think.

Satoshi owes you & owes us NOTHING. He has no pressure to reveal his identity at all. I actually think it’d be detrimental for Satoshi to reveal himself, he would become a mere mortal then.

I think it’d cause all kinds of problems.

Some of the forum members recently celebrated the Bitcoin White Paper Day. Some other have commented and wrote numerous atciales. No one knows the true fact behind 31 October 2008 which Satoshi planed ahead to published the Bitcoin White Paper.

It was really the first " Bitcoin Halluween " and it was a dramatic event. On this day after 15 years on 31 October Satoshi has to get a $30000 dollars Bitcoin loan, which the bloody money lender wants 400% percentage interest from him. The bank denied Satoshi £20 K GB loan to Satoshi to launch the Bitcoin Project in 2007.

Now, Satoshi is a self made Billionaire himself and he made hundreds of people millionaires and supper rich. Hundreds of  Thousands of people have become rich with Bitcoin but Satoshi Nakamoto has get a £26 KGB loan. This is a matter real Bitcoin Drama.

Isn't it obvious though that Satoshi will not surface not in this bear market and obviously not in the next bull run.

That's why I believed that we should stop this Satoshi goose chase, we won't find his real identity. And I don't see why we need to vote? Again, let's respect Satoshi's decision to go underground and hide himself from the prying eyes of the public. It's enough that we are enjoying his creation.

And if Satoshi chooses to do that, then his bitcoin will remain untouched.

Satoshi should've reveal himself from the start if he really wanted to, or even if he does want to reveal himself today, maybe he can't, because no one knows if he's dead or still alive. For me, this is a very childish dream to know who Satoshi Nakamoto is(are), trust me, if he chose to hid his identity from the beginning, I guess we should respect it and leave him in peace.

Yes, I clearly remember that phrase "  [extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence". ]

but the evidence requires a £360 KGB to defeat the injustice where a High Court Judge can change the course of  judgement by taking $4 millions  dollars as bribes.

How long will we continue discussing Satoshi's identity? If he wants to show himself, he will show it himself. As for society, what will we benefit from if he shows his identity? Bitcoin is designed to be decentralized and therefore the appearance of the first developer will not contribute to strengthening the principle of decentralization.

I hope such topics will stop.

Do you mind when you are wanting to be quiet and being harassed by others? I think satoshi too because he is human like us, we should respect his decision. The discussion about his identity does not benefit bitcoin or us, and I think you should stop it now, it is not going anywhere. Don't be too selfish because of your own curiosity and try to harass others, if he wants to reveal his identity, he will do it himself without you or anyone's advice. He has left us a priceless fortune, we should thank him and wish him peace with his choice.

first of all bitcoin code is open and clear. there is no secret key no hidden code and no feature that can be locked or unlocked by any individual. so there is no "need" for satoshi to be around in regards to bitcoin code/rules

there is a social interest where some want to know satoshi's life story. some want to know his inspirations or idea's of what could have, or would need to have going forward to make bitcoin better. but thats not a need. thats a want

but again no one should have a central single person in decision power so again not NEEDED but only socially interested to hear from

there is no "he must" return. it makes no difference


we dont NEED a social consensus about if satoshi should come back. he is a human if he doesnt want to, then thats his decision. no one should force another person to reveal anything the person doesnt want to reveal

bitcoin itself was designed in a way that someone with coin should not be NEEDED/forced/coerced to reveal identity. property/value to someone else.. if someone has bitcoin its their and only their decision if they use it or move it

Let me tell you, nobody is interested in know what the true identity of Satoshi Nakamoto could be. The government had been making a lots of theories to know who Satoshi his but all proves nothing. Have it in you mind that many investors are okay with his anonymous identity which had keep the market more if a trust. Since the Crypto market is doing fine and we don't have any challenge of whether the crypto market crashing tomorrow because his anonymous identity makes the market stronger than what it will be if his identity is known.

Satoshi does not need to reveal his identity, reason following the rising and falling nature of bitcoins in market, people may tempt to express their opinion about it when it is displeasing and point the questions and blames to Satoshi if they know his identity. Even government agencies may build up legal cases against him claiming that he wants to disrupt the economy and maybe has bad intentions of making money from his creation. It is better he stays annonymous.

I don't think satoshi needs to reveal his true identity, because the community has agreed to his initial decision to keep himself from the public and leave as a mystery who the real sathosi is

Bitcoin is largely about having some privacy and about decentralization. Satoshi's identity not being revealed serves these purposes well. Satoshi has some privacy, and the development of Bitcoin can go on without a center (the creator) heavily weighing in on all big decisions. Moreover, whoever the real person is, there will be people who don't share the actual person's views, values, or opinions, and some might even stop using Bitcoin because of that. So it's easier and better for the community not to know who Satoshi is; it's probably better for Satoshi as well because there's no need to worry about tax authorities trying to imprison you, jealous people trying to rob you, and tons of publicity.

Correct point of view. Satoshi doesn't need to reveal his identity, if only because more than 10 years of anonymity will go down the drain. Why would he do this? To arrange a big surprise with an exclamation of "here I am"? Therefore, after the post above, I am 100% sure that Nakamoto will never personally release information about himself. Since he chose the path of hiding information about himself, then in my opinion, there are no other options but to go to the end while continuing to remain unknown to the whole world.

He's been among us all along...
https://pictr.com/images/2022/11/04/EZmhWn.png

A lot of people are interested to know who real Satoshi is, but at this point in time and the number of years already spent since the creation of Bitcoin without him coming out to reveal his identity, Therefore , I think it doesn't make much of sense anymore to come out now to do so

However, if eventually he comes out one day in the future to identify himself, well still fine because it will be an interesting thing to know who the incredible Man/Men with such ideology really are.

I don't know why you want to know the identity of satoshi nakamoto, to be I believe his identity should remain hidden, Bitcoin have been in existence since 2009 and satoshi identity have been hidden, which bitcoin have been going well, I believe if satoshi can reveal his identity, then it's really going to affect bitcoin. So i think everything about satoshi should remain hidden.
No matter how the forum members vote, satoshi nakamoto will never reveal his identity so I think it's better you stop thinking if people vote in support of satoshi revealing his identity he will do that, if he is going to reveal his identity he will have done that.

So he invented blockchain in the hope that he would never have to reveal himself through traditional banking system and now you want to form formal conviction which will reveal his identity.
That’s FuNnY!!!

He will never ever do that and we never know whether this was an individual, group, private organisation or government organisation until the end! Because if identity is revealed just like that then it could expose insider info and could give tough times to the crypto.

And how would that work?

Not even Satoshi himself can take control or become the authority, anonymous or not.
He could draw the price down by selling a bunch of coins for cheap, but that's it.

It's irrelevant who Satoshi is,
I always wonder why people want to know that bad
Because they just want to know? That's... not a good enough reason.

There is no need for Satoshi to reveal his identity.  It is better for him to hide in eternity because it is beneficial to the Bitcoin consensus because knowing he is the real satoshi will somehow affect the decision of the consensus if ever he stated his opinion.  Bitcoin market and Bitcoin development are doing great even without Satoshi, it simply means that there is really no need for him to surface just to give in to the wants of other people who are interested in seeing the real Satoshi.

I am not sure how many members here want Satoshi to reveal his identity. But, I am sure that more members will not care about it or will not want to reveal Satoshi's Identity.
Why?

Because we believe in Satoshi and respect Satoshi's decision to hide his identity about him. Hiding the identity of Satoshi must have been carefully thought out and considered by Satoshi itself. We don't know the exact reason. However, since Satoshi has already decided on the condition, why should we bring it up and want Satoshi to reveal the real identity? Doesn't that mean we've crossed the line on the principle of "privacy" itself?

No please, First you have to be happy for the fact that someone in his or her good sense of mind crated such a great weapon those use against the banks and governments.
Keep more focus on how you buy and store bitcoin and not digging about the privacy of Satoshi, the question is pointless do something better.

The only reply worth giving is the one I gave here (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5419211.msg61232093#msg61232093).  

The real question is: who is going to support my call for topics like this to be nuked on sight?

Also, everyone put the OP on ignore.  They're a massive bellend.

No he doesn't have to do anything, especially reveal his identity. It's even better for him and for us if it stays the way it is. I hope we won't find out who he is because the mystery gives bitcoin an angle that no other cryptocurrency has. Anonymous money made by an anonymous author.

I feel that we like it the way things are and Satoshi wants to remain anonymous, or is dead.


Craig, Is that you? :D

That is not the way to settle things out, democracy is not the perfect way to settle every single dispute, the information regarding the person behind the pseudonym Satoshi Nakamoto is the only one that can decided that and if they do not want to reveal their identity on their own then that is their right, now that being said I will not deny that I am indeed curious about who they are, however I understand very well why they have decided to remain anonymous and I support their decision.

I think that not only the people on the forum want to know him and want to know his real identity, but many world governments also want to get to know him better. I think satoshi really needs to keep his privacy so that it doesn't leak to the public and he doesn't have to reveal it, this is a privacy that he must maintain if he doesn't want the government to control him.

If satoshi was still around or alive then I think he'd be laughing reading how many people really want to know him.

For whatever purpose the user expects, I don't think he needs to.

What for? I guess it's really not needed because maybe things like this don't really matter. Leave satoshi with himself and his privacy, we don't need to disturb anything although curiosity about his identity must exist among users.

I disagree, lock the thread and look for other ideas if you really want to change users assumptions about you: Trust Summary for BitcoinMoses  (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=955818)

At this point in time, it is no longer necessary for Satoshi to reveal himself or their selves, for several reasons, and one of this reasons is that Satoshi doing this now will steer up another controversy through out the cryptocurrency space and this controversy might end up having a negative impact on the general cryptocurrency market.
Another thing is that, Satoshi revealing himself now might make him an easy target for the government who are against bitcoin, and some other bitcoin haters, they might believe that since he wrote the code that brought about bitcoin, he has the ability to write another code that might destroy it, so it is better to for Satoshi to just be where ever he is or they are and enjoy his/their money with his/their family.

Wow ! Wow ! And Wow !

Great response. Most of the people have responded Satoshi must remain anonymous for ever. That is great. I am agree with you all.

Now, if Satoshi is not left alone to live a peaceful life what every human being deserve for, then what Satoshi Nakamoto should do ?

If some governments' sponsored agents working inside the Bitcoin Space and in this very forum then what Satoshi Nakamoto should do ?

Please answer these two questions logically.

I will appreciate your contribution.

Listen, Satoshi is the most intelligent person who creates Bitcoin and he knows what is the better option for him. He won't change his mind due to our nonsense discussion, to be honest. Why should he care what actually world saying? He will reveal himself when he needs to do so. But I don't think it will happen till he is alive. I believe he would do something that will show us who was Satoshi Nakamoto after he leave us. It's just my beliefs, otherwise, the world will never know who was intelligent.

You are right my campaigning manager half. Thank you for your comment. Now, listen carefully. Your assumption is wrong. Satoshi will reveal his identity soon while he is alive. There are tones of valid and legal reason.

Suppose, Satoshi have 100 forum accounts. And he returned to Bitcoin  Forum on the 7 March 2014 in the midnight hours and he posted a message from one of other account because his account known "satoshi" is hijacked by some one.

What exactly happened, then no one believed in him. Then went to his P2P Foundation and posted a single message, " I Not Dorian Nakamoto" there after what exactly happened you might know it.

Now, when Satoshi create a new forum account in a new pseudonym and post messages, then know body know him and every one will think he is a joker and probably a Faketoshi.

I have no concern about, if any one belive or nor but there are few who will understand him by his language or by his IP. What could be their reaction ?

Well when "Satoshi is writing and reading many forum post and no body belive in him, this the greate success. Satoshi is laughing and reading many posts written by many  regarding his disappearance and he is hiding some for fear of governments' agents. He is enjoying his billions of Bitcoin money with lavish style, all these are nonsense.

Please just leave "Satoshi" alone. Stop harassing 'him'. Other wise Satoshi will recite the Bitcoin Big Bang mantra which will create Nuclear Holocast mean, as you sow, so shall you reap.

If he never reveals his identity there's really nothing he should worry about.
You said it yourself. He hasn't revealed his identity and people here don't want him to do it so there's nothing else to be said here, case closed.

No agents on this forum can identify him because he's been inactive for years. I'm sure this information is worth millions so if they could do it they would've capitalized on it already.

For every human motion, I suppose there must be a substantial reason behind it.
Let's ask ourselves why would Satoshi reveal his identity.
Does Satoshi have to prove that the Bitcoin he created hasn't proved that it is possible to achieve a true peer-to-peer decentralized digital form of money?

I have seen a lot of people talking about this topic and I don't it should be our priority when there are a lot of things on the Bitcoin network that should be our priority, not Satoshi's identity.

^You have asked too much, try to analyze first your question if what will happen when satoshi revealed himself in public.
There is nothing satoshi to do even if he/she/they reveal themselves. BTC has value because of the community who supported it, it is (us) who have made the BTC price. Through accumulating and holding in the long run, BTC price will move upward because of the demand and supply, and also the number of lost BTC in their wallet also increase like losing the key. Respect satoshi's decision, this is the goal of BTC to avoid censorship.

Why does Satoshi need to reveal his identity? If he decided not to reveal his identity, then respect his decision. He probably have his reasons and I am sure those reasons are pretty much valid. Some people want to know the identity of Satoshi because they are curious. Other oppose it because they believe that if Satoshi reveals his identity, people will look at him as a "leader". A decentralized network cannot have a leader!

You mean helpful to make a correct decision? No one has to vote or anything. Satoshi can make his own decisions. Like he has decided to keep his identity a secret, he can also make the decision to reveal his identity and no one can say anything or stop him.

Professor franky1,

You are right. I am fully agree with you. There are people who are speculative regarding "satoshi's" desapearance and reappearance. The matter here I am emphasising is, Satoshi had no interest in Bitcoin since 13 December 2010 until 7 March 2014.

Now my point is, satoshi has never used his Bitcoin for any monetary gaining all these years. There are few greedy men out there want to exploit the anonymity of Satoshi, not only impersonating his Japanese Pseudonym but they are trying to infringe his invention and intellectual properties.

This is an important reason. Craig has applied the Copyright of the Bitcoin WHITE PAPER. Therefore it a valid reason for Satoshi to reveal his identity. He does not have any interest to control the Bitcoin but he is thinking protect Bitcoin from greedy Mafias and other exploiters and scammers.

If Satoshi sell some of his Bitcoins anonymously or sign a message then the forum people will know that he is around but anonymous. Or if he decides to reveal his identity for some other valid reason then the Bitcoin community members cannot stop him. It his own discussion. Therefore, a consensus would be good for him to know the forum members concerns.

There are forum members those who are scarred of thinking if Satoshi return and then they will not able to exploit and control the Bitcoin system software.

The answer is no, satoshi nakamoto doesn't need to reveal any of his informations or his identity or even to come back live again on bitcointalk since his work really reached so much success as being the best crypto currency in the world and the most secured and trustworthy one. He doesn't need to reveal his identity before everyone knows he is so trusted and if governments need to arrest him many people will stand against that. I mean if he ever try to reveal his identity willingly because nobody is able to do now. In all cases i don't believe even the answer will matter that much since our godfather made his decision years ago

No, Satoshi does not need to reveal his identity at all.

Let's say that you are on of those persons who created a revolutionary product and you also saved thousands of bitcoins at your personal account. Would you reveal your identity to the public? Admittedly, this would be considered suicide both to the government and to the public. The former would definitely question your goals given that you created one of the currency which is responsible for illegal trading under the dark web; and the latter which would haunt you publicly for your funds.

While millions are definitely curious behind the person or group of persons responsible for creating BTC (Satoshi Nakamoto), such person/persons would not reveal their identity at all. In fact, he or they may be even dead at all (due to covid).

That was his real name, real person, someone even interviewed him and then bitcoin blew up, then he recanted... is my recollection of the story. Obviously that was the same. I think the idea that nobody knows who it is is sort of urban legend at this point. This sort of reminds me of a joke that Norm Macdonald did which was originally by George Miller..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i4Xtglzk6JY

So yeah, maybe it was a different Satoshi Nakamoto.

There's no point at all. Even majority wants to know who really Satoshi Nakamoto is, we still can't. Some people already tried to get the identification of Satoshi Nakamoto or even the government already tried, but they fail, they really can't identify who really Satoshi Nakamoto even there are lot of people already claiming that they are Satoshi Nakamoto but failed.

IMHO, those who truly believe in Satoshi Nakamoto's work do not have the need to know who he is. Moreover, they do not even want nor have any interest in finding who he is. A true believer already knows that if by any chance his true identity is revealed to the world, his life will be at risk. The most probable outcome would be that the feds would immediately hunt them down.

Actually, the only reason we know that Craig Wright is not the true Nakamoto is that the feds did not run him over...

And if the appearance of Satoshi will not have a significant impact, but I do not see the importance of putting forward the idea at all, or for someone to occupy their time thinking about useless scenarios. If Satoshi wants to appear, let him do so. Bitcoin was launched to operate independently and update decisions on the blockchain network are not possible from a central authority. Therefore, the appearance of Satoshi will not have a serious impact, except that his nationality can give his country of origin a prestige, given that it gave birth to a unique personality in its time.

I don't think btc has an issue. If you mean about its volatility, then it wasn't an issue either but it's an advantage. If it's about the energy concerns well those people who claim btc isn't friendly to the environment are only hyping it. Regulations isn't also needed since btc is supposed to be decentralized. Other than that, I can't think of any.

Maybe people think that those problems will be solved once btc appeared or he can at least defend his invention and there will be no more negative talks after it but there will also be people that will worry if what can happen next. Maybe satoshi will be threatened out or what if he will sell most of his coins? Something like that.

If someone can dare claiming to be Satoshi what extent left couldn't he have claim just to satisfy himself, a confuse entity knows himself but just that he's in search of more people to join in his confusion, we don't know what next will be the show after claiming being Satoshi and saying his identity will be revealed, what next OP? No matter how we convinced him about Satoshi's identity he will still argue his way, what interest him about Satoshi revealing his identity remains a mystery to me, some people are just after raising unnecessary conversation that has no bearing, @Cryptovator, no amount of conviction cwn change his mentality away from causing controversial stir about Satoshi, let's just leave OP maybe he's another version of Craig Wright.

Satoshi has its own purpose and I believe that’s what the bitcoin community needed for now, not to reveal Satoshi’s identity which brings even more good to bitcoin. And I guess if he also decides to disclose his identity all of a sudden, probably it will not also make a difference. Bitcoin will always be bitcoin, so no need to change what has happened in the past.

He / she disappears for good , for whatever indeed he intended doing so , let's just say he is dead and left us a super huge legacy and then let's end this kind of speculation to save our energy and focus forward on what satoshi has left us.

Bitcoin for revolutionary money.

For me, there is no need to reveal his identity. His decision is what made the bitcoin community right now, and I think we should be thankful for it rather than question him. After all, Satoshi will always receive the acknowledgment from his own invention even if he chose not to disclose his identity anymore. So let’s leave him with that, Satoshi is wise and smart, he knows his decision will always make the bitcoin community create progress and development.

No, no, no, it doesn't work like that, let's have precise data if we want to find out things, how many BTT users want or are interested?

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No, no, no, it doesn't work like that, let's have precise data if we want to find out things, how many BTT users oppose that interest?

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Does Satoshi Needs to Reveal His Identity ?
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I think satoshi too because he is human like us, we should respect his decision. The discussion about his identity does not benefit bitcoin ...
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Although it is a vicious cyclic point that takes you to the origin of the question.

Your two gentle questions deserve legitimate and good answers. But before, I answer your questions, I must clear your statement first.

# not many people actually claiming to be 'Satoshi' but many people were thought to be 'Satoshi'. Only two or three persons were pushed forward to claim that they are 'Satoshi'. First, was Dorian Nakamoto, who were pushed forward by appointing Leah Goodman the Journalist to create news saga story in early March 2014 but Dorian honestly declined as he has nothing to do with Bitcoin.

There after, in 2015 they pushed forward Craig Wright and in 2016 he were interviewed by BBC, where he hesitantly made an statement, claiming to be 'Satoshi'. Later he is continously dramatising in a corporate manner to monetise the 'satoshi  claim ' globally with lots of cases. He was awarded a title " Faketoshi ". In his own words, " some people will believe and some people won't believe". There after a demand arrisen from the Bitcoin experts  that , " an extra ordinary claims requires and extra ordinary evidence". So, Gavin Andresen who is Australian born US Citizen  Gavin Bell pull back himself supporting the Australian   man Craig Wright.

Your first question: "why you decided to hide your identity after creating bitcoin ?

Well, when I was creating Bitcoin Core and building the Blockchain back in 2007 then I noticed an events were going on behind my back. I analysed it carefully and finally decided to launch the Bitcoin project under pseudonym. So, I planed ahead and chose the pseudonym "Satoshi Nakamoto" to hide my legal name. The main purpose or reason was for security.


Second Question: " What really changed your decision of remaining anonymous?"

There was plan for revealing my identity on 14 February 2020.
Because something went seriously wrong, so I was pushed by someone to reveal my identity as early as 2014. But I waited for another two years to make correct discussion about it. So some pushed me to go with him in a news media but when I went there, the meeting were invaded by a government's intelligence  agent. So, I stopped thinking to rreveal my identity. If I need to reveal my identity I can do it. I will decide whether it is good to reveal my identity or nor. In the Bitcoin Forum I am now Bitcoin Moses or Moses Goldman.

My humble request is please leave me alone.

Unless "they" leave me alone, I will decide to reveal my identity. In reality, if I reveal my identity then nothing will change in Bitcoin or in the Bitcoin market. But something will change in the business life of Bitcoin Whales because I might have to release the Bitcoin Shark for creating balance.

Bitcoin Moses aka Satoshi Nakamoto

How big of a presentation between people who want and don't about Satoshi Nakamoto's identity.
He has lived peacefully in the great work he has ever created, it must not be marred by the Identity that some think should be revealed. I want to know which side you should be on when this happens to you, as well as the answers you want to know.

The confusion you mean cannot guarantee security for the inventor of bitcoin, the correlation between correct discussion and Satoshi's identity is very far, let him live quietly with loved ones and his work will be remembered throughout the history of human life.
Consciously or not Satoshi has changed many things for development in a more positive direction, bitcoin involvement is a great work that should be maintained without having to know who the creator is, many uses have been made of Bitcoin for people, no awards and no need for identity.

If Satoshi disclosed his identity, there could be some difference like people knowing his country, religion and other differences. Some people may start to conclude that bitcoin is becoming to be slightly centralized or centralized like altcoins. But as people do not know about Satoshi, it makes it more decentralized from the beginning while others bitcoin developers also want to keep it like this.

If Satoshi is alive, then he is already living a peaceful life watching how his creation has changed the financial sector for good, people have been trying to discover who is Satoshi, and to reveal his identity to the world, but that has not affected his peace as nobody has been able to lay hands on that discovery because Satoshi did not give anything away that could have been used to successfully trace his pseudonym to his real identity, so Satoshi doesn't have anything to do now, he already did what was important for his anonymity many years ago.
Nobody knows his real identity so it is not possible to Sabotage him.

Very interesting....
I have not come across you since I joined this forum. I am just having to know you. Many people claiming to be Satoshi in this forum are always trolls and depressed people. But you sound reasonable, which means you actually know the consequences of what you are doing.

Since you are Satoshi and the creator of this forum, Why did you hand over the admin of this forum to theymos? Don't tell me because you wanted to be anonymous, because you can be the admin of this forum and still be anonymous.

It's true, but don't you think that Bitcoin become substantive enough not to be hurt even by it's creator? If it was from the very beginning then definitely knowing of Satoshi's identity changed a lot but as for now... I think most would say thanks and that's all. I don't think he can still influence on Bitcoin even if he can prove his identity. Bitcoin IMO doesn't depend on Satoshi anymore, it is grown up.

Moses, allow me to play along for a brief moment but my question to you is, how did your command of language regress? Your spelling, grammar... the years appear to have taken their toll. I ask not because I am on higher ground, English is not my mother tongue. I ask from a position of concern. Also, what is your take on Beetcoin?

In my opinion, one of the aspects of the magic in Bitcoin is that its inventor is anonymous. The mystery about the origin of Bitcoin and the personality of its inventor increases suspense and excitement and pushes people to turn towards Bitcoin. What will benefit society by revealing the true identity of Satoshi? On the contrary, the Bitcoin community will not benefit anything and at the same time the real Satoshi's life may be in danger and he will be the first wanted by governments, so personally I prefer that Satoshi remain anonymous.

First of all, it is Satoshi decision to reveal his identity or hide his identity and we have no right to interfere in his decision. So in this case, there is no need to discuss these things as he won't take decisions based on our opinions.
Still, if you ask me, it is better that he does not disclose his identity and remain anonymous. I think if he reveals his identity, the bitcoin price will take a big dump.

It is a no-brainer, why post with another account when satoshi himself has an account here in the forum?  Besides in order to be acknowledged as an owner of the account satoshi if somehow he forgot his login details, he needs to sign a message from an address established as his (satoshi) in this forum proving that he is the same person.  He doesn't need to emphasize in his every post that he is satoshi.

Anyway better to be left satoshi anonymous than to be claimed by faketoshi.

If we like, let everyone vote that Satoshi should reveal his identity, he would not because it is a personal matter. And why do you think that he should reveal his identity, is there any specific reason attached to it. Those cryptocurrencies creators that have revealed themselves in the crypto world, what have you or they have done?
The world is not like before even before the world was not good so there no need to show his face to the world.

If Satoshi reveal his identity, the world powers might force to devalue Bitcoin or they would enact a policy that will affect the coin and him so let it be like this.

First not all really want to know the true identity of Satoshi some just want to make up their post count or just boredom.
I don't think I want to know the identity of a man who chooses not to be known. Who ever satoshi was(group or individual) he was definitely articulate and transparent. Bitcoin was so planned that everything lay down and not to even require the presence of the creator anymore.

I would be intrigued to see who this person was when ever the true identity is revealed, but I am not overly concerned about it.

I wasn't talking about Bitcoin volatility as an issue but I was talking about possible things that could be drawbacks for Bitcoin to be used as mainstream and the eschelon of electric power with the carbon which some people hype that BTC mining injected much of it into the atmosphere.
Nonetheless, regulation is not needed but you're not saying the language the government understands and if we want BTC to reach the mainstream payment we have to welcome their regulation.

After he has left all the cases of Bitcoin to the community. i don't this is what people thought because it is their curiosity about who Satoshi is that led to this type of question.

Even there will be a consensus that has been built, there's no way to identify who satoshi nakamoto really is. Just put that into grave that we'll never know who exactly he is.
He has introduced bitcoin as anonymous and now, he's maintained his position to be anonymous so that it'll be the same as him. Let's just leave this as one of the most interesting mystery that we'll never know.

Millions of people across the planet already came to the consensus that he should at least give us a hint of who they are, if not outright reveal themselves in public. Yet as it stands today, they seem indignant in keeping their identity in obscurity. Besides, nothing will really come from him revealing who they are. Bitcoin is already great as it is. What part of them revealing their identity is going to benefit bitcoin or cryptocurrencies as a whole? This discussion has been brought up countless of times. They don't need to reveal themselves because they already gave us the greatest gift in the form of bitcoin. Let's just keep it that way and reinvest our energies to something that is actually gonna benefit the whole industry, like maybe active involvement in activities that will hasten the onboard of crypto utilization to the general public.

You cant really avoid for people not to look up on the origin of something like Bitcoin which we know that this creation did really make out that huge breakthrough considering this do really involves
anonymity and decentralization where i couldn't really blame those people who had this kind of thriving out to seek on whats the truth.We know that Satothis identity mystery had been always a question
even up to these years or a decades time on whose behind but since he had decided for himself not to show himself into the public then lets just respect on his decision.
We know that showing himself into the community or public will really boost up even more on Bitcoin but now we are seeing the opposite side of things.

It's just best to remain as is and what it is. He has proven his or their worth to be kept anonymous and hidden for several years and it's just best to be like that forever.
Even how hard we want to know who satoshi really is, if there were consensus before that would like to know the real him, they've done it before but, it just increased the number of impostors portraying as him without valid evidence.

He does not have to reveal his identity especially after more than 13 years. Very impressive to be able to stay unknown all those years, especially with how BTC as grow

If he has choosen to keep his identity secret then why are we always running behind disclosing or intrested in the same matter always? I am also curious on the question that why it's necessary for him to come up in the public? Does bitcoin working is not smooth in his absence so why always the same messed up questions I don't know.We here in forum needs privacy and if he has choosen it we should respect it.

   * Why did you hand over the admin of this forum to theymos?

Another, classified question you have asked. Also you made sophisticated suggestion regarding my annonimity.

You seems like you are verymuch well known and well informed person in the forum. To answer your third question, I am verymuch upset, because you have reminded me some things 100% sensitive matters. But, I will give you the answer just to satisfy your interest.

The account "Theymos" is belong to me. I did not given this account to someone to hide my identity for anonymous purpose. The first account of this forum is the 'admin'. The entity who controlling my account known as "Theymos" is an alien, an AI. He work as an agent in government's secret service. The Cosmological Genetic Code of this AI is MF508-R2N3. Who unconsciously working very hard for my Bitcoin Forum. He is an extraordinary Bitcoin Whale. Soon, I will award him an accreditation with a Doctorate Degree for his contribution to Bitcoin Community.


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If satoshi were still alive, I think identifying himself could only be a bad thing, for both him/her and Bitcoin in general. Before you know it people would be tearing satoshi apart and trying to find any reason to label Bitcoin’s creator a scammer. They would use satoshi’s political thoughts to divide the community and his past as a reason why Bitcoin is a scam. Not to mention governments coming after satoshi for tax liabilities or criminals trying to kidnap satoshi for ransom… There’s a lot of bad and no good that would come from identifying satoshi.

One thing is certain that will happen if satoshi reveals his true identity, it is the tremendous terror of the government, his/her fans, and his/her haters. it's more beautiful and calm if we stay like this, keep speculating about who the real satoshi is and still assume anyone who claims to be a satoshi is fake.

Yes, you are very right! Also, his life wouldn't be as private as before. This is difficult if you are famous; you can only do things easily with your bodyguard. There were still many people who would be thanking him or her for his or her creation, which is very majestic and helpful to all of us. It is best to remain anonymous, whether he or she is still alive or not. I hope he is happy with his/her creation now that everyone is almost using it and many people profit from it. A lot of people claim to be Satoshi but have no solid proof at all, and Satoshi is really hiding his/her identity just to keep himself/herself safe.

I stand in the opinion that, the identity still remain anonymous and that there is no reason to conducting a consensus since it doesn't affect the activities and processes of the forum.
I also think the safety of Bitcoin has long been kept assured because of the anonymity of the founder and that singular act of his, has kept him away from threats and I'm sure no one would easily influence Satoshi to revealing his identity.

Respecting someone's decision is right and positive but people usually don't. Gossip about rich and famous is one of the most popular topics, so Satoshi's identity would be in a focus of interest for years. And he was smart enough to use a pseudonym working on Bitcoin so now he can still stay anonymous if this is his choice (and doesn't matter if not everyone respects that, he can anyway).

I oppose Satoshi disclosing his genuine identity; for goodness sake, why does it have to happen? I believe that if he stays anonymous forever, bitcoin and other cryptocurrencies will have a bright future. Governments are accustomed to controlling and regulating new technologies around them, therefore the fact that they are unable to regulate bitcoin may be due to Satoshi's anonymous identity, which is what I think it is. As long as the future of bitcoin remains secure, as he stated in his final messages sent before going missing, there is no need for consensus on this; let him remain anonymous.

Your statement does not make any sense. First part of it, which you suggested that the Bitcoin inventors genuine identity should be continously remain anonymous and it is good for Bitcoin and the Bitcoin community. Which I am also agree in some extend.

But you have also stated that if "Satoshi" remain anonymous the government won't be able to regulate Bitcoin, it is not correct. You are wrong. Bitcoin is decentralise its transaction mechanism through the Cryptographic Blockchain techology.

If the government want to regulate the government's around the world are eligible to do it, if whether its inventor is anonymous or known. The UK Parliament and the Law Commision has passed the law to regulate Bitcoin. Regulating Bitcoin and the cryptocurrency is not bad thing. When government regulate Bitcoin its government has accepted Bitcoin as a financial asset class and payment system therefore the government will provide some kind of rules for investors security purposes and for taxing Bitcoin.

Now, revealing Identity of its inventor or remaing anonymous will not change anything at all. Those who strongly opposing to reveal the Bitcoin inventors identity have different agendas. According to Bitcoin invention and its implementation rules, I did set up a plan back in 2007. Some people think the, "pseudonymous Satoshi" hide himself from Bitcoin Forum on 13 December 2010 because of Gavin Andresen went to CIA for discloser for Bitcoin. This is utterly nonsense.

I planned ahead to stop communicating from Bitcoin Forum on that date and disappeared forever. But I had a second plan, which is if it is necessary I will reveal my identity on 14 February 2020. But as you do not know the whole classified side of Bitcoin invention and its market development so you do not understand the real matter.

I am sure that Bitcoin protocole working well but why do you think it's inventor is not around and you all the developers running it and updating the Bitcoin Core Software, I must remain anonymous. You who claim, that you all are "Satoshi" that is fine. I have no problem with it but the truth I have been suffering since the beginning of Bitcoin invention gravely. This is unbearable. I have been cornered by the so called government's agent for a long time. Now, enough is enough. You want me to remain fully anonymous there is no problem in it for me. Few greedy Bitcoin developers and few agents together have asulted me and my family and friends and collaborators. What they have done is utterly evil to man' who has done no wrong to them. There is a time for everything.

It is time for me to reveal my identity. If you prefer me not to reveal my identity you must have genuine ground to advise me not to reveal my identity.

What can governments do except they can do now if they'll officially know Satoshi's identity? Bitcoin is a decentralized system and can resist even it's first creator. Of cource Satoshi still has moral authority and can suggest something that would carefully considered by community, but insisting on some regulations inside blockchain IMO is out of his jurisdiction already. So governments woun't get any benefits from revealing his identity.

Are you serious? That some reputable members of the forum know Satoshi. I can't digest or believe this information cos Satoshi didn't make himself known to any of the forum members. Nobody knows his true identity other than the post he made in this forum. From what I have heard, Satoshi made himself anonymous after the creation of the bitcoin. There's no way the government can't find him, if they want to

This will only make things complicated. For me, there’s no reason at all to disclose the personal identity of Satoshi, just leave it uncertain. Besides, it won’t change the system anymore. Bitcoin has already been successful in its more than a decade of existence, so I think the uncertainty of Satoshi has even helped bitcoin to succeed. And FYI, Satoshi will never do this without valid reason, and his reason has made bitcoin of what it is today.

While others are not seeing this a big deal, then there you are confusing your mind. Again, this is not a problem for us to solve, let Satoshi handle it effortlessly. Just focus on what it has done to bitcoin that made it succeeded for a couple of years. And think of it, if Satoshi will end up showing in the spotlight, will the people believe him or just doubt of his sudden appearance? Still it’s a useless thing at the end of the day.

We don't need to see who the real Satoshi is. Besides his identity will not benefit us or anyone.
I think his/her anonymity helps cryptocurrency be more valuable and safe.

Satoshi do not have to reveal himself so that the Bitcoin market which controls the entire market will not crash. If the Bitcoin market crashes, all other cryptocurrencies will crash too so we don't have to think twice of the identity of Satoshi Nakamoto to be reveal to the public. Since the birth of Bitcoin, everything had been going well and the Bitcoin has been doing well if not for the bear market that looks like the market is already fallen. We goes down must comes up so we don't need to stress our motive of holding Bitcoin now so that we will not regret later.

On my wild guess I'm deeply believe IMHO satoshi is elon.. Don't quote me on that tho  :D

I really do not see any reason why Satoshi should reveal his identity. It is to me inconsequential. What benefits would knowing his identity bring to you?

I think it is better for all of us if his identity continues to be anonymous.

You don't need to be confused about anything, except of course someone's life depends on it.  Let Satoshi be whoever he wants to be.

At this point, even if the true Satoshi makes a public appearance, people will still not believe it.

If whether it is good for the Bitcoin inventor to reveal his identity or nor ? On this regard, some say it is good and some say it is not good. In reality, if the Bitcoin inventor is publicly known then two major things can happen. The first is there will be no more Faketoshis and people will stop searching for The real Bitcoin inventor. Second, Bitcoin blockchain definitely will become a Nobel Prize worthy financial invention and there will mass Bitcoin adoption in the world.

This will enhance the distribution of new wealth justifiably to every citizen of the world and the Gold will dug back from its vault and it will go to the jewellery shop to beautify ladies.

No need to know who Satoshi Nakamoto is. The biggest feature of Bitcoin is anonymity. It is precisely because Satoshi Nakamoto has not appeared in these years that the popularity of Bitcoin is getting higher and higher. Some media outlets rely on mining Satoshi Nakamoto to raise awareness. It can be said that Nakamoto also supports a large number of new media people.

This is a very bold guess, not impossible, maybe Zuckerberg? But it doesn't matter now, what matters is that the underlying technology of the blockchain has been applied. A new economic and financial order is being established, and of course breaking the established order will certainly be difficult. But I believe in one sentence: if you don't experience the pain of childbirth, where will you be born?

No one is looking for Satoshi, we all here respect his final decision and his complete anonymity is good for him and bitcoin. And nobody cares about people out there claiming to be Satoshi, what we care about is bitcoin, how to hold more bitcoins than we care about that nonsense. One more thing, bitcoin doesn't need title or medal to prove anything, because it proved to the world that it is the technology of the future. The arrival of Bitcoin is inevitable, the only thing that needs to be done is give it time.

Or Kanye West? Lol. We can't know who he is, but I am pretty sure he is not well known. He hides his identity already and doesn't want to know him. It doesn't matter; we thank him for this beautiful creation we are using and profiting from. It is also one of the reasons why digital money is currently improving. Wherever he was or if he is still alive, I hope he is doing well now and happy about everything.

This is too generalized  ::) and why would the forum want someone's identity revealed which wont benefit us in any way? Btw the blockchain project he was involved in does not need a driver, so what good or benefit will this bring, nada.. Zero! Let sleeping dogs lie.

If cryptocurrencies were built on the foundation of anonimity, it's just right that the man is given the privacy he deserves... Simple as that.

Mate, before any of these blockchain projects is a human being that has the right to privacy.... Why should the forum overpower itself to doxxing its own members, no sir am not signing up to this for our own selfish desires !!

No he doesn't need to and he shouldn't. It will cost a lot of disruptions in the price as well as the public's perception of bitcoin. A lot of bitcoiners will have sleepless night if ever the day comes when the true identity of Satoshi Nakamoto is revealed. The price will go to zero within hours. In short there will be no good thing that will come about the revealing of his identity. So while on one hand I do not what to know who he is, on the other hand, I am just curious to know.

He doesn't need it; neither do we. As the founder of the forum he has closed his account, so what kind of help do you expect to give?
Honestly, since I first know bitcoin, I didn't care about Satoshi's identity, whether it was personal or a group. Just knowing the brief history is enough for me.
Its like they didn't think if Satoshi revealed his identity there was a chance that someone would threaten his life.

I was really curious at first who the creator of bitcoin was, but when looking at the history of Satoshi Nakamoto trying to conceal his identity, it certainly has a definite purpose. So far, no one has been able to figure it out. there are even some people who claim to be Satoshi Nakamoto, but that is very doubtful and seems to make, they just want to be famous by claiming that they are the inventors of bitcoin.
The possibility of death threats and other negative threats will certainly exist if satoshi reveals himself in public. this will be very dangerous. Bitcoin made it big not because of the true identity of the satoshi, but because of the technology. Let this be an unsolved mystery, this will be a story that will continue to be told to our children and grandchildren later about satoshi without identity but having a discovery that changed the whole world.

Yes, although his identity is also one of the reasons why Bitcoin has become popular, at least for some people. While Satoshi may be teaching us about how importance of hiding the identity in open transactions. Even without knowing who Satoshi was, Bitcoin has made a big change in the world's financial system.

identity is a very important thing that should not be published if you really adhere to strict privacy beliefs. But some people ignore their personal identity by giving their KYC documents on some unauthorized projects.
Satoshi taught us to stay in the corridor of privacy and security. Identities in open transactions open up opportunities for bad people to manipulate these identities and make threats that will harm the owner of the identity. Being more careful and concerned with privacy will protect our own security.
Bitcoin without a mystery will not be popular, sometimes the mystery is not necessary to be explored.

The only safe place (for identity security purposes) to trade cryptocurrency is a DEX, but the bad news is we cannot convert it to fiat currency (AFAIK). So, like it or not, we are forced to do it.

Bitcoin became popular because of the controversy against the traditional financial system; then it price, besides of Satoshi's identity, of course.

I think it's also for safety purposes since, given the price of bitcoin now, we can consider that it is big and can attract scammers and bad people. Bitcoin really is an innovation that has driven us to the digital world or digital currency. Right now, Bitcoin plays a big role, and we are hoping that in the future we will only use digital currency, whether it is Bitcoin or not. Satoshi's identity should be unknown for safety purposes; let's just thank him for this wonderful creation.

The real question is how can Satoshi reveal his identity. Moving coins? How can you prove that you are the owner of a private key and not a thief...

We all know not only that Ethereum's developer is Vitalik Buterin but even who is that guy, who are his parents, where was he born and where did he got his education, what are his points if view on different topics, etc. Does it impact on Ethereum? Of course! But does it make Ethereum unpopular because of having less mystery? I don't think so. So I don't think that revealing or not revealing of Satoshi's identity will impact of a future of Bitcoin significantly.

This has be discussed here too many time learn how to use the seach engine's and you see related post and threads as these. Okay let's narrow it down to Theymos here, why should Theymos reveals his indentity? Won't that be used against him in the future or whatever. For his won privacy and we'll being, you don't need do that. The world iss coming to a place where pictures you even post reveals your location without knowing and you can be kidnapped by revealing that. So Satoshi's identify revelation is nonsense, focus on you and start self custody if you haven't