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Fiat and crypto and stock is bs, but property although is just concrete but it is real.

I know all stock investor loss money and some of them are killed, but not all property investor loss money, when Elon Musk said crypto is as bs as fiat, I challenge him to prove me property is anything resembling bs.

When you buy into stock, you get snake oil, but promised it’s indeed a “business”, stock =/= business wake up. When you buy into property you indeed get the concrete box, you indeed get what you paid for, I don’t know what stock investor actually buying into, they tell me they’re buying a stock and it is a business, I try to fathom whatever they said, but stock is stock, business is business, you can’t mix something that’s totally different word by word, or context by context, or content by content, it’s snake oil and they’re buying into delusional snake oil and in the end they get thin air certificate that tell them they’re entitled to the business, it’s so funny investor are so gullible. But what is there to say, when I tell them, they’re scammed they don’t believe me and even being very hostile on me and call me retard, they think they’re getting the business when they buy the stock, what give?

You said Fiat is bullshit but you need it to build properties 🤦

Just listen to yourself mate, if money doesn't make sense to you then avoid doing anything with money, I wonder what you can do without Fiat, Crypto is just making the whole thing decentralized and digital.

Hell yeah, crypto and fiat are bs, property is bs too.
You buy property the same as you just buy piles of certificates, only to show proof of ownership. The fact is that you're not in full control of the concrete masonry that is laid down, there are several factors causing property damage that make the certificate worthless.

Of course you can't, but you can look up how it relates.

With property, how do you know the wall is definitely structurally sound without a surveyors report? Why isn't the same applied to investing?

When buying a property, you're often using someone else's interest too (like a bank) so you're more protected due to the intermediary. With crypto and stocks you don't have tage same but you could probably get them (such as by picking a well diversified portfolio for stocks and investing a small % of those funds into bitcoin).

Well, it seems that most of them are bs for you. So, it means that any investment that someone may get in will definitely a no-no to you. I'm into crypto and real estate but for those that I'm not with, I respect those investors that have been living well with those.
It's their preference and they've known and mastered those investments if they are for it. Well for stock investors, they've got an alternative for properties/real estate which is REIT.

You don't really understand what is stock and investing in it and the business involve in it. If you have an interest in a company and you want to be a part of it in partnership or some sort, you buy her shares or stock base on the unit you want and by that you have invested and has a contribution in the company as a share holder, that is the business in it and if the company makes profit and declares it, it is also shared to a holder as dividend. Also if a company is not doing well it affects the stocks just as a business that didn't make profit at a particular time. You need to read up on stocks.

Buying property is good is also business with its own risk. Natural disasters, flood or bad road networks among other factors can hamper a property not to develop faster if you buy a genuine property and not the one you get scammed on. All investment involves risk.

It's probably just that everyone has their own truth and understanding of the value for the vision of the business. You are certainly right when you talk about real goods, for example, buying an apartment or a car, that this is your investment in a real product, when, like stocks or cryptocurrencies, this is something abstract and cannot be touched. However, the emergence of stocks or cryptocurrencies is not accidental. Why? The fact is that many of us want to earn money and use different assets for this. For example, real estate or cars, but with the advent of stocks and cryptocurrencies, a new additional niche has simply opened up for investment and doing business, and this does not mean that it is bad or not fair. Probably the answer here lies in how we relate to certain assets, and only this attitude determines the importance of this asset for us personally. Therefore, in this matter, everyone can be right and wrong at the same time, since the market simply receives new assets and new opportunities, and we ourselves decide what to use to generate income.

I see many people believe is the same way but you need to pay attention that bitcoin, stocks, and others are good the different ways anyone can choose a market depend on their needs and what they expect to see and trade on the market, regarding bitcoin you will see less stability, more risk and more reward which can be not the exact same situation in another market especially if you start talking about the centralized market like stocks but even in stocks you can have some other benefits.

Both fiat and cryptocurrencies have their own unique characteristics and uses. Some people may prefer to use fiat currency for everyday transactions because it is more widely accepted and its value is more stable, while others may see the benefits of using cryptocurrencies for their decentralized nature and potential for anonymity. Ultimately, the choice of which type of currency to use depends on a variety of factors and is a personal decision.
So, in order to invest in your so-called "Property", which currency are you going to use? That "BS Fiat" or "BS crypto"?
Let's talk about this, shall we?
Owning Crypto will not announce to the whole world that you own that if you buy them in decentralized platform. You can keep your privacy safe.
I have heard a good deal of news about people getting killed over property ownership. Lots of paperwork and someone can forge fake one too if they have that ability.
How are you going to deal with that? Court? Get ready to defend yourself with your "BS fiat".

If you read from the top, you may realize that your answer to this question is somewhere in there.

You admit that you don't understand what people buying stocks are buying into. Yet you call it snake oil and bs. When elon bought all the Twitter stocks didn't he bought the whole company? Do you know you get voting rights and options with stocks? You literally own part of the business with them.

I think that's the point with OP. You know, it's gets so easy to criticise what you don't understand and in doing so, you come up with a one sided and biased argument @OP.
Not everything with an online accessibility is completely virtual. For what is worth, people can still buy properties, Real estates and just about anything online and that doenst make them virtual.
Cryptocurrency might he virtual but, stocks aren't and even with that, they still do quite well in there field. These are as real as it gets and having to invest in them don't put you at a disadvantage, evey properties do lose value too. Let's not mix that up!

OP is saying that digital money is mere electronic data, paper money is mere wood pulp. While intrinsically backed assets like real estate are legitimate and real money?

That's not far from what precious metals investors have been saying for a few years now.

In the case of real estate, prior to the 2008 subprime mortgage crisis, it was thought by many investors that it was impossible for the price of american real estate to decline. No one could remember an instance where US real estate exhibited noteworthy downtrends. Which led to the urban myth of real estate only being able to appreciate in value. As a result, the ensuing crash of 2008 caught many completely by surprise.

There are many who claim that reverting to a gold standard would prevent inflation. However, we know that the roman empire experienced considerable inflation due to its denarius being devalued close to 2,000 years ago.

While there are generally assets which are more reliable and stable than others. I don't know if its accurate to say that anything has proven to be exempt from bubbles, devaluation or crashes. Everything has its time. And when that day comes, who knows.

I can't deny that investment in property is very worthy and will usually continue to rise, especially if we have property on the development track. Then the results will rise very quickly. And of course, ethics related to real investment, property and gold are two things that are very related. Both are very worth considering and owning.

However, let's see, how much people can afford to invest in property? Only some people really have the money to buy and develop their property. However, ordinary people with a lower-middle-income economy would find it difficult to invest in something like this. Never mind buying a property, for everyday life they may be in trouble.

For this reason, digital assets exist, both stocks and crypto. Even though they are slightly different, most people can afford them. Even cryptocurrency can be owned by anyone. In my opinion, this is one of the special aspects of crypto, namely that everyone can invest in Bitcoin or cryptocurrency (provided they are really prepared with the risks and knowledge, not a random investment). So, this is why I personally still choose to invest in crypto because I haven't been able to afford the property and later plan to get an investment in property from the results of this crypto. And of course, most people must have financial management that suits their conditions. And what's more, it doesn't rule out that people have investments in various assets, right? As long as it is productive and promising, why not? what is certain is that we have risk management, assets, and finances that are good and suitable to us.

Yeah, going to be difficult to take advice from someone who writes as poorly as you do...first off.  Secondly it is abundantly clear that you do not understand the concepts of cryptocurrency and it's even more clear that you don't understand the concept of company stock and how it works.  You actually do own part of a company, have voting rights etc.

I would suggest you spend some time studying about how it all works.

I'll offer a different opinion than OP regarding stock vs property. When you buy common stocks, you buy some ownership of a company, whether or not it's significant depends on how much %-share you buy. Since people can buy a tiny fraction and more liquid, stocks are more inflated, way inflated than you think if you look at their P/E Ratio. Simply, stocks are way too overvalued. Sometimes, the price is detached from the firm's current performance, but more of a copium and hopium (yep, I called it BS price as well). Crypto is like stocks on steroids.

Meanwhile, people just can't speculate on housing, lands, etc. since it's way more expensive and illiquid. Therefore, these assets aren't being pumped as hard as stocks, but still, there are still boom and bust cycles in the property market because of institutional pumpers & dumpers.

How about we forget whether they're BS or real? How about we forget whether they're merely snake oil or whatever? I guess the most important point here is that we make money, right? If we can do that by selling stones, we would, right? Or perhaps by selling nothing? So whether or not these stock, fiat, crypto are all BS, does it matter when we can actually sell them a lot more expensive than we bought them and make money? There are people who are willing to buy them, you know. And we can buy many more properties out of the proceeds.

You are indeed buying a part of a business when you're buying stock — it's just that most people are buying only a very very small fraction of a business when buying from public markets hence why you don't feel like you actually own a part of a business when buying stocks because you have no control over the business.

The fact though is, you can own the entire company(or majority of it) if you could actually afford buying the entire(or majority of the) company.

You need to learn there's 2 kind of shareholders, it's minority and majority shareholders. If you only own less than 50%, you can't have a full control over your company especially you're just an investor, not the management. If you're a majority shareholders you will get an invitation for official meeting and you can make decision to improve the company you're invested.

Bitcoin is also real, you're the one who control the coin and it wouldn't disappear as long as you hold it on your hardware wallet.

I’m sure it’s very great rebuttal. But I would use woman as a litmus test to what exactly is this bullshit, whenever I tell woman to invest into stock, she would avoid it at any cost, but this bs only work on man specifically, that’s strange. It’s apparent woman has smell the bullshit even miles away from the snake oil salesman, as usual low EQ creatures like man often has curiosity to think otherwise, can you lie to woman? It’s not easy to lie to woman but it’s apparent so much easier to lie to man, man are some of the most easily manipulated gender ever existed and it’s all God’s will, god create man to be retarded and easily scammed, back to topic, stock is stock, business is business, after hundreds years its still the same stock is stock, you cant equal stock and business and woman has smelled that bs easily, earlier than any man can do, it’s once again man fall into it and after losing trillions of dollar into it but still too stubborn to realise how bs they’re buying into stock. Why don’t you ever consult woman once in your life about what exactly is “stock”?

You say it is bs but still you compare things that don't even fall into the same category and are too confused about them too.
Fiat vs. Bitcoin vs. Crypto vs. Stock vs. Property.
You can't even begin to compare these. For example altcoins (aka crypto) are useless ergo there is no justification for buying them except for gambling. Meanwhile stocks at least are linked to a company and a product or service which get their value from on top of the speculation and market manipulation. Same with bitcoin, it offers useful utilities so it gets its value from there on top of speculation and market manipulation.
When it comes to property, the situation is not very different. There is an underlying value and on top of that we have the speculation.

You see from an investment point of view, these things (except altcoins) are not different.

You didn’t consider the life span of the property which can devalued it same with crypto, stocks and fiat that changing in value. You probably are old school investors which only believes on what you physically see. I don’t blame you because I have a lot of grandpa and uncle that only invest on physical things and avoid those intangible investment.

Things that you don’t fully understand shouldn’t be categorized as bs since most billionaire exist due to the bs that you are talking about. Most of the billionaire money is on there stocks to make it profitable and safe since banks can’t give insurance on all of them.

Ok, all this is nonsensical and somehow genders and a god gets involved. Many women own stocks, so what you are saying is just insane. I don't even know where to start or what's your point. So let's stay on point and go something you said earlier:

That's what happens when you buy a property, you can walk in a house you own for sure, but you literally only own it only on legal paper like you own stocks (or as signed in digital contract). Like you literally own part of the company and more you own, more you control and are responsible of.

It was such a great rebuttal that for some reason you made a response that doesn't even closely refute o48o's response.

^Add the fact that this wasn't even the first time someone made a total acquisition of a public company lmao.

You got a point there but I think that wasn't the op wants to imply. He is trying to say that property is a real thing or has a physical appearance while cryptos and stocks do not have it. As for the fiats, they do have a physical appearance but they aren't an investment. They are simply a currency that we used daily for purchasing goods.

Even though stocks and cryptos are digital. They are still considered as an assets that you can invest and make a profit with. Being digital do actually have an advantage because they are easy to keep and you can have different kinds of them. While a property investment is something that is hassle in my opinion.

Surely this depends on the place of property, I also bought property in an area that looks good, but when I want to sell the house at this time, the offer from the buyer is lower than I bought 4 years ago, the house certainly has its own risk because there are many factors influence, and I suggest to invest other than home.

I think you're one of those that just prefers what you can see. You're limited that way. None of them is bs. They're all investment. So if you choose one over the other it doesn't mean the others a bs. Have an open mind to things that's the only way you can learn about things you don't understand.

You don't just underscore the value of Fiat. If you said that property is better than stock or even cryptocurrency it is greatly debatable but where you include Fiat which is the basis on which properties are acquired, it does not make much sense. Let us assume that you buy up to 12 landed properties, you cannot obviously live on 12 of them. You will hold some and allow them to appreciate in the future and you resell. So the idea is not to have a lot of money in a bank either you use it to buy crypto, stocks or landed properties such that whenever they appreciate you resell and have Fiat to buy more and the cycle continues .
There is no how you will value what money can buy but not value money.

Not all property investors loose money, but some do, there is no complete assurance for any form of investment, the important thing is that,  have investments that have high chances of good ROI. Investment in crypto is good, investment in stock is good, Investment in property is also good. If it is possible to invest in all three, and it is within your means, you can so long as you can manage the risk. If it is a choice to choose two out of the three to invest in, my choice will be cryptocurrency first and Property investment. I think the demand for accomodation and land to buy will never cease, property investment is also advisable to me together with crypto even better than stocks.

Having a digital investment is far superior than having a physical one. Even though it would be hard to lose a gold bar for example because you would hide it very well, even put it in a bank safety box, its at least possible, or fiat banknotes, or house burning down, whatever it is a physical thing could be destroyed.

Digital ones can't be, you could be scammed, or even lose your key phrases and all, but normally if you do not make any mistakes its there and there forever which means you will not lose it. Plus its easier to control, its a few buttons and you click them and either buy or sell, that is a much better and easier method then going and buying a whole house.

Houses also have models that vary greatly each year, so when a model house that was built four years ago is being sold again this year in a condition that is still usable, there is clearly a slightly lower price offer because buyers may also sell it again at a lower price. the more expensive one after revamping it to a newer model. Or it could be for his own place to live in this world, so he asks for a slightly cheaper price than what you bought before.

What you say may have some truth to it, because when a person is limited by the things he can see for investment opportunities. So he will not invest in things that are not visible or that cannot be seen by other people against his investment assets. And usually such people are very afraid of investing in assets like Bitcoin so they will tend to choose assets that are clearly visible such as land and property or housing.

Why would boggle yourself on which one is superior and which one is not? If you do have the money then why cant be having both? which you do have physical and have digital investment which it would really be

giving out that kind of opportunity or chance for you to make money or profits on longer runs.Although its not really that an assured thing but at least you do know that something behind you could be having

other sources when it comes to money and make yourself not able to struggle if you are really in indeed of money. Cant really deny that having real estates or property which does generate income
does really give out that kind of opportunity to make money in passive way but we know that having various sources doesnt matter if its digital or physical then you should
really be having as much as possible.

It cannot be denied anymore that immovable assets like property are the safest investment, price fluctuations are very good or can even skyrocket if we are in a strategic area, property prices will continue to rise and this is what makes us have to try to invest in property, and things What we can do if we can't buy cash is installments.

The 2000s United States housing bubble was a real-estate bubble affecting over half of the U.S. states. It was the impetus for the subprime mortgage crisis. Housing prices peaked in early 2006, started to decline in 2006 and 2007, and reached new lows in 2011. Source : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2000s_United_States_housing_bubble

So your theory that everything else are Bullshit.... actually stink, because real-estate had it's share of bullshit too.. and this happens in cycles in many different countries. (Real-estate are very complex, with a lot of things that can go wrong... example : Natural disasters / Rent not being paid / vandalism of your property etc...)

Like a land investment where the price will continue to rise and if you really have money there's nothing wrong with switching there.
but before investing in land we must be observant because if the location is not strategic, of course it will be a loss

Property is a good option as well as a real investment that many people can see firsthand. Obviously it's not a bad choice, but you also need to consider the properties that most people are interested in investing in, because it can help you a little when you want to resell it at a certain time or when you are dying on your own finances.

The choice of land is also very good for investment, but you also have to consider land that is located on the side of the main road or not so far from the national road. Because the average person who wants to build a simple building or plantation will definitely look at the land that is close to the road to buy it for the sake of making it easier for them to get access when they want to travel from that place or vice versa.

Let me put it in a language you would understand.
When you buy a stock, you don't buy a literal stock. What you buy is a portion of that company in the form of a share, think of it in property terms since you love real estate so much as co-ownership. I bought a couple bags of cement for you to build the house with, and because I made a purchase that goes towards the collective, I am a part-owner of the house you are building.

As for crypto and fiat, they literally are just money. You use money to buy properties in real estate don't you? So you may not just realize it, but these should make sense to you all in all.


PS: just because price of rent is continuously increasing every year does not mean the housing industry is the best venture. As it stands today the bubble is going to pop any time now, don't quote me on this but if it does happen you'll realize that no form of investment is really better than everything else, it's all a matter of which are you most comfortable placing your trust and money on.

It really does depends on the location where the property is situated. You mentioned you bought a property(a house) in a good location and after 4 years, you wanted reselling the house and got a price lower than what you got it for years earlier.

It’s either you’re bad at bargaining or the location of the property or perhaps even the property itself is shit and isn’t worth it. Cause I’ve always had the thought that land appreciates in value. So, if the land itself appreciates in value over time, the house built on it should be a plus.
I think real estate investments are quite profitable in the long run.

Maybe when he made his choice, he didn't consider how it would develop after another 4-8 years, so it would not go up very high because usually, if the selection of the location of the property is right, the price of the land around the property can go up a lot. This has happened everywhere because when there is a program or project from the government that will run around the property, usually it will be accompanied by an increase in land and property prices around the government project.

My advice is that he can keep hold of the property and wait to sell it, especially if he doesn't need the money urgently and think of it as savings for the future.

Exactly, why distinguish which one is superior to another? If real estate is better than cryptocurrency, but it can't be profitable for us, is it still called good? We invest, and the end goal is not to determine which is better, but what is important is which gives us good returns. People won't care what you do, they only care about the results you get, so take advantage of every opportunity to make a profit. It doesn't matter whether the investment is physical or digital, all can be profitable, so invest in both.

Investment, of course, depends on everyone, expensive property prices cannot be reached by most people, especially when you need money it will be difficult and take a long time to sell, while cryptocurrencies are very easy investments and we can make cash at any time, and of course the potential for profit can reach hundreds of percent per year.

Bottomline is; we do have different investment preferences. Some made fortune out of gambling, some made it out from real estate, and for sure there are also people who became millionaires in this industry. These people exist but that does not guarantee that same thing could happen to anyone. We have different circumstances and capabilities so be sure to act on your 'zone'. If this would work on you then continue but if it won't try looking at other thing. Maximize your resources as much as possible. Nothing would work if you'd force yourself into it.
This is what I meant regarding circumstances and capabilities. Not all people could buy a property to be held under one's ownership and wait for years for its value to increase. In the first place you'd be lacking the opportunity already if you don't have the money to start it with.

Fiat is very important to humanity to improve higher in anything they are doing in the society, because many investors has used a huge amount of capital to build a standard properties that is bringing in a good income monthly or yearly to their account. Fiat is a centralized currency control by the government in all ramifications in the country which the governments can decide to make it available for all the business men and women to use it in their country to grow their income. Fiat and crypto are very important but many people prefer to use fiat money all the time than crypto just because crypto is not well legalized in their country.

if real estate is so safe..
.. how come you need house insurance

ill leave you with that thought

housing comes with on-going costs.
i can buy a bitcoin. and never access the internet for 10 years and know my coins are still there..

try that with a house.
youll end up with squatters, vandalism, damage, leaks.
governments can seize homes. tax homes.

if you calculate insurances maintenance, mortgage interest, taxes.. truly see how much that affects any valuation increase over 10 years compared to purchase price. see the real value(lack) of housing

Many think real estate is the most profitable investment, right now too much advertising is too much, for example you can get RoI in 5 years because prices will continue to rise, the fact is the opposite is true, when you want to sell property it will be difficult and if you want fast of course should be priced cheaper than when buying.

Yeah, this is the reason that we cannot copy the exact success formula of others. Basically, these days, you must be needing multiple income stream to sustain financially stronger. So, just believing into only crypto or only stocks will disappoint in the end. So, we need crypto investments, we need stocks and we need real-estate as well. This is how risk distribution works for achieving financial stability. Still, I have my saving and investment in major share in bitcoin and then in some altcoins and finally in gold and for real estate I am still planning up.

I agree , every investors have a different style in investing.But for me a good managing of our money is to put in some investment that you feel can win.  Dont put a risk in a single investment. it is better to divide the investment money to avoid large losses and have a chance to grow the invested money properly. Real state is also good too but always check for a good place in buying real state property.

Real estate, in my opinion is indeed a profitable investment. But like all investments, there is always some certain level of risk involved. There are several factors that affects the price of real estate as well as other investments. That is why you’ve got to do your research on these factors that affects the price and value of the investment you’re about to venture into.
There are lots of real estate investments that appreciate periodically and steadily, as there are some that lose some of its original value. Real estate has been profitable to lots of people and would continue to be.

it's all about people's investment preferences,, you could say fiat and crypto and stock are the BS but other people may think differently .. you say that property is real but I don't think so, now investing in real estate is quite frustrating, many people nowadays end up selling their property assets at a cheaper price because property prices are increasing and people's purchasing power is getting lower and that's why investing in real estate is not as profitable as it is today

What a call!

You call it BS but you have it, I mean it is in some ways but these days you may use it to get a property especially fiat lol

Property investing may sound too good for everyone but it also depends, you can't just buy and sell a property when you want to make it liquid. If you gain millions from crypto you would not have the urge to call it BS, or stocks or have any business. You call the property investment more of a real thing when you can't mention its cons, probably because you are blinded by the promo ads by it. I know its value is appreciating but you can't eat it when you're hungry and there's a McDonald's across the road.

I get what you want to point out but calling those things BS is going overboard. I love having more properties if I can because it doesn't get spoiled or it won't go away, it will just be there for the rest of our lives.
But if you are still using fiat for buying necessities, and you are talking in a cryptocurrency-based forum, aren't you exaggerating things here and being a hypocrite. Me? I am glad there's so many options now because real estate investment is not a cheap one unlike others that was mentioned to be "BS".

Property is a very good investment and is liked by everyone, property prices continue to rise because demand for property will continue to increase, even if it is in a strategic location, the increase can reach 100% in 10 years or even less, it is only natural that property is the first asset that everyone targets .

Investing in crypto is very easy to do, in fact it can be done by everyone. Moreover, some exchanges accept users from all over the world using passport identities. But there are also many investors who experience losses as a result of choosing the wrong coin to invest. And many investors experience losses when investing in pre-sales. In essence, crypto investment must have the right analytical skills.

If someone is going to invest in poperty, of course the basic capital that must be issued is far greater than investing in crypto. Or you can do it by credit if a place provides credit services. But for me, the most appropriate investment is to buy land, because in the end we will need it for old age. In old age, we no longer think about how many cars we have, but where can I live for the rest of my life.

Depends on where it is located and depends on how good the property is when it comes to looks and utility or in overall since not all properties does ends up on appreciation value but we cant really deny
that it is one of the much more preferred when it comes to investment.The main problem or issue on here is that these type of investment cant really be cheap, even if we wanted to buy one but it
cant really be something that do involves small amount of money which is particularly the opposite and this is why it would really be remaining as a dream since
it is something that everyone could easily attain.

ok quick math

2003: house market rate £150k (https://www.economicshelp.org/blog/5709/housing/market/)
2003 mortgage interest rate 5% (https://www.statista.com/statistics/386301/uk-average-mortgage-interest-rates/)

end result on 20 year mortgage =  $237k paid just to have a house

market rate this year. £266k
now include the £500 a year buildings insurance required as part of mortgage agreement
+£10k
then the £500 electric/gas maintenance
+£10k
then there is the general maintenance and living costs. land taxes, gains, state(coincil) taxes
UK council tax alone is £1.2k/y = £24k

=£281,000 vs market rate of £266,000
.. and yep no longer a profit.

however if i invested in bitcoin in 2012(10 years) using just £150 (one and 1half hundred.. not thousands)
£4 a coin becomes £13600
37.5 coins become £510,000

bitcoin: £150->£510,000
vs
housing: £281,000-> £266,000

summary

real estate "value gain" of x multiplier is not real. because most forget the actual ongoing costs after the initial house valuation.. like interest, insurance, maintenance and tax

And one reason why property prices are going to increase is that, they're limited, a scarce asset and that's why demand will surely be up continuously.
But, we just can't say that it is going to be up forever because once the housing market collapses then it will be a domino impact that there will be more cheap houses on sale depending on laws and the interaction of the government where you live at. We all agree that it's one of the best asset and each of these great assets are incomparable to each other.

It's still a profitable asset even if you say it will collapse it depends if the population would stop to grow then we won't see a bunch of housing projects. But land property is a thing wherever you are it can grow over time and all you have to do is patiently waiting to sell it on the right time or put some business on it when that place is developing. Real estate is indeed in demand especially in the urban area since no matter what happens in that town the population and people want to go in there won't stop.

first of all, you know that property can be created more and destroyed while bitcoin cannot be added or subtracted at all. currently, people in my country are complaining because selling their property quickly is really difficult, it shows even though you have the physical property of the property but in reality, only people who need it buy it. Property is not an investment asset, it is a liability.


some companies will distribute dividends per year to each of their shareholders, so shares are still very much in demand, especially by old investors who have a lot of money.

I get the people who like to go with the traditional route, but crypto is crypto, the profit you make is the same whereas property is not exactly the same everywhere. Buying a house in Toronto, and Detroit is VERY different and yet they are side by side, biking distance, same goes for every nation everywhere, buying property is not exactly the same method and it doesn't allow you to make it work like that neither.

This is why I have to say that it's true for some nations with some laws and such, whereas it's not true for some other nations because it's a lot more strict and problematic as well. You can talk about whatever nation you are in, but this isn't globally true.

Gliobal situations would really be that totally different which the thing you had said and mentioned are actually precise and its something that do means that every decision making would be ending up on different way
whether we do talk about the result or do talk on about on how they would be acquiring it.Speaking about money or profits then it would be situational considering that crypto investment doesnt impose out fix
income per month unlike when you do have real estate.

Doesnt matter on which one you would be choosing because as long it does give out that kind of opportunity for you to earn on something passive whether its on crypto or in
those typical business then thats what do counts.

Stocks and real properties are two (2) different investment mechanisms that offers different approaches in order to be effective. It does not mean that if a person losses money frequently on the other, it concludes that investing on such is considered "bs" like what you just mentioned.

Again, while stocks or cryptocurrencies are intangible, it does not make them any less of each other. They have as much impact as any other investment, if not, better if the person knows how to deal with them and use it to their advantage. Having to hasty generalize that they are absolute trash is very fallacious, only depending it on your experience while not checking others.

That is indeed a very common thing for property, but investing in property also has risks such as destruction when natural disasters occur, even though this often happens very rarely because remembering natural disasters do not always occur in a certain area or place.

So choosing a property as an investment area is not bad, but everyone also has to look at the place where the property was built so that it has the potential for a 100% increase in price, because not all properties have the same amount of increase when the location is not so strategic.

When you talk of investing in property like real estates or owning a mere land remember they are capital intensive. Crypto might seem as bullshit because it has no physical representation but it has raised capital for so many property owners today. Many property owners got what the have through investing in crypto currency. Many through Bitcoin and some through altcoins including the so called shit coin.

Crypto investment is the only way the average investor can try their luck on a few coin and stand a chance of catching up with real world investment. Without the invention of Bitcoin and other crypto currency a lot would have remained in trenches.

It just all depends on what you want to do, that is, just save your capital, increase your capital and at what rate you are going to increase it. Regarding stocks, that is, the stock market and the cryptocurrency market, you have more chances to increase your capital at a faster pace. But as you know, free cheese happens only in a mousetrap and in this case there is a much greater risk. As for the shares themselves, I would like to say the following, that everything depends on which block of shares you acquire, that is, in most cases, the acquisition of a large number of shares implies the acquisition of the company itself with real estate relying on this account, so I would not talk so superficially about shares, that is, real property.

Property is a classic investment that will be liked at any time, it's only natural that people always make real estate the first investment before looking for other investments, besides that the opportunity for profit is very large because real estate prices such as houses, land, buildings and so on will continue to increase.

You sure about most people look to invest first with real state? Coz I see it differently as not everyone could afford to have a property. Yes, the long term profit for real estate is huge and very sustainable. However, you need a bigger capital and even a bigger budget for maintenance and renovation/improvements of your property, especially during the first phase of your business.
With crypto or stock, you don't need extra funds to keep your assets being profitable, as it purely based on the supply and demand.
I don't pick sides which investments are good here, coz they are all a good one, but only depends what your financial standing is.

Maybe he means that since a lot of people never really take the time to invest in anything and spend most of their money away the only moment in their lives in which they actually invest in something is when they purchase a house, and I think that for the most part that is true, after all there are very few people that have any substantial savings which then they decide to use to try to increase their capital by investing in the stock market or in the market of cryptocurrencies.

Exactly, there is no such thing as absolute safety, real estate will also become useless or cause loss if there is a natural disaster or worse, war happens like in Ukraine, real estate is not worth it in this case.

I don't understand why OP is calling cryptocurrency, stocks are bs, when they can bring many times bigger returns than real estate investment. We cannot touch or touch them like other physical assets but their value to us is real, so they can't be called bs, bs are things that do not create value.

Many people will transfer assets to property because they have been proven to be safe assets, immovable assets that always go up even by a small percentage, in my country property prices in cities can increase by more than 100% in 7 years or there is an increase of more than 13% per year, of course when compared to cryptocurrencies the increase of 13% per year is very small but the risk is very small making property always the choice of many people.

“You may loss 10-50% on property scam, but not 100% total loss unlike in stock market” I can’t rule out there is foul play on property, and tbh the scam is rampant in property transaction too. The wall might be build with hollowed structurally to cut cost, which they do not fill the entire wall with brick, instead leave the inside to be empty, which save them a lot of money to build wall. I know there is very bizarre scam on property purchase, I recently read news about a bunch of people fighting over the evergreen devel failed to deliver their property, what I understand here is that the property is half baked finished and unliveable, but that’s the worst they have got on property purchase and it’s unorthodox very ground breaking scam, however they still got a pile of concrete in the end, what did the stock investor got after getting scammed, they got totally nothing, not even getting back some concrete, yeah a total loss. Elon Musk got the business from the twitter purchase? that’s certainly not what I heard about him on the gossip.[/quote][/quote]


This snake oil never get old, I refuse to mention it anymore, this look more snake oil than the stock itself, I strongly believe it’s not much better than short selling derivatives that’s often discussed. So you bought a bunch of well diversified bs and you got the business, what give again? It’s doesn’t even add up, word by word or context by context.

Not every property is worth it, I tell ya. I inherited a nice lot in the mountains near the national highway here in the Philippines, and guess what the value is? Shit. Nothing is close by, only some random houses and some isolated stores here and there. Investing in property isn't for everyone; if you don't have an eye for value then even if you invest in properties, lands, or any other "real" thing that you're mentioning you're still doomed to fail. Investing in crypto and fiat also needs you to be keen on finding value on which ones to pick - even in stocks! Each one has its own strengths and merits, and real estate/properties may seem like solid options (no pun intended), it also has its weakness especially depending on the economic conditions on where that property sits in.

Yeah sure and when it comes to buying or selling the property how would you do that? Stones and paper ? Well the answer is fiat or may be crypto if someone is interested in that. That’s called as circle of economics. The entire world knows language of money and you can not go away with it. To buy small candy or hectors of land you will need those green bills. It can give you nice security over the time but you can’t use it to trade the bills on everyday life. It can make you good returns but it might be very hard to find purchaser based on various factors.

I believe this is a matter of perspective.  property if not used properly or utilized properly can be a liability.  You have to pay for its tax and other stuff such as maintenance regularly and yet could not earn a single dollar from it.  Some popular financial gurus even stated that unutilized real estate property is nothing but a liability.

So I think each one of these: fiat, crypto, and property have its strength and weaknesses.  It is up to us to take advantage of the opportunity these stuff offer.

Spend money to buy a piece of memory (history).

When we go to buy a piece of memory card, we are spending money to buy a piece of memory, to
keep the memory alive.

Because the memory is very important and shouldn’t be forgotten. We keep just the important piece of memory into the memory card, to preserve it for many generations to come. We unconsciously and involuntary contribute to the “cult”, although we never talk about it, we don’t even know what we are doing when asked, and nobody tell us it’s what we need to do.

It’s identical to people pay a big sum of money to bury the ancestors, spend on the tomb and grave yard, and every year spend money to pay tribute to ancestor, pay to safeguard the tomb from intruder, tomb raider etc. Paying the money to keep the memory alive so that people would remember the bloodline existed and there is the tomb to prove it. I don’t know what’s the stubbornness on it, government would not hesitate to confiscate the piece of grave yard, to develop new city, but most of the time they would failed because money is again spent to lobby against grave yard confiscation.

Another example is bitcoin, it’s in fact we are buying a piece of memory (history), we keep buying bitcoin because there is history behind bitcoin and to keep this history alive and not forgotten due to time elapsed, we need to spend money to keep it alive. (Although CB won’t stop mocking about bitcoin is as dumb as collecting stamp and it create no value but high energy consumption). If we stopped spending money on it, time after time, eventually everybody would forget this piece of history, when the money on the bitcoin dried up,  the memory of bitcoin on people would also be diminished.

Also the library full of books. It’s also build to serve as a piece of history. And money is spent to keep the books clean and readable.

Pyramid, church, mosque, ..., a piece of memory.

Retro-game cartridge, cd, dvd, tape, vinyl disc to keep a piece of memory.

Stamp, painted art, statue, ...

Of course each memory has it’s own ranking, the ranking is measured in term of money, the highest priced memory would be more important than the lower priced memory.

The motivation on buying a piece of history?
But what’s the point of buying a piece of history? Because it’s a mistake. When the price is low, people would not pay attention to the story. Money is spent, to keep the price high and keep the memory alive, also to attract the attention, this piece of memory contain the mistake that has to be remind again and again, if the memory is lost, then the mistakes would be return again, to prevent the mistake from repeating itself, money has to be spent to keep the memory alive, then the memory would serve as the reminder, to set as a precedent, to not repeat the mistake again.

But what’s the point of this topic? This sound so foolish. There is so much memory to remember, nobody have so much time and the interest to learn all of them, also many of them are partially forgotten and can’t tell exactly which is the real piece of story, other than it’s very highly valuable piece of artefact, thus people won’t stop the habit of spending more money on it despite it’s a waste of time and money.

It become apparent, it is pointless to stick to the old history and never make any progress, but it look to me each generation has their own piece of history that they would spend money on, (to keep the history alive), so I believe it’s wise to spend on just the piece of memory that matter to you alone the most, because nobody else would give a damn on your life except yourselves, also they won’t care about your piece of history that you spend money on and care so much about, you want the memory to live on you pay the price and don’t expect someone else to pay for you.

Due to the nature of inflation, it become more expensive to store a piece of history, people from the ancient old day store the memory by drawing art on the wall, but with thing getting more expensive, storing memory on paper is invented to save resource, money and time, but today the memory is stored in the tiny bit of memory chip, (yeah pdf is replacing real physical books) which is both cost effective and time saving, in future it might have to be stored on subatomic medium. But not all are bad news, due to thing getting so small, it become easier to carry the memory around, to distribute the memory, to get the words out, the point of memory is created not to be buried into the earth crust, memory is created to broadcast to as many people as possible. It’s also convincing enough smaller memory are much more fragile. Comparing the paint on the wall and a books and memory chip, paint on the walls can last many thousands year and still readable, books is fragile but could last a few hundred years too, memory chip is arguably a lot more fragile, corrosive could eat into it and bit rot to destroy the memory, they may not last more than a decade.

Financial advice? Price goes up, we are in for the money... who care about the story. We just want the reward, minus the efforts to get it!
What exactly is all the fuss about NFTs? Storing jpg? It’s in my opinion, the intention to buy a piece of history, but it’s nothing more than replicate what exactly the rich guy did, they paid top dollar on painted art, bullet, gun, for no obvious reason, but price keep going up. And conveniently scammer took advantage of the hype and sell it as an investment, promising the price keep going up and investor could make profit, while unscrupulous investor has no idea it is a snake oil.

Happy ending memory?
Regis McKenna once said, the best marketing is education. Steve Jobs agree. There is a time a gold rush that create happy ending memory to some people and make many people rich, it was the time they’re indulged on the easy money that come without taking much efforts, soon enough the parent decide to pass down the happy ending memory they once enjoyed to their kids, and they begin to tell kids to follow their path, they go to school and get good grade and by the time gold rush is on the hype they board the boat and make a happy ending life, so every kids must remember their history of happy ending memory, and reproduce the same result, or they would be deemed as social rejects, so guy must all go to work as teacher, accountant, doctor, lawyer, these are proven a career working for them during the gold rush, it should work indefinitely no matter when the time we are born, it should work... time would tell the answer.

The new world order?
Migration, career shifting, has take the world by storm, new world order, become social influencer but not to be lawyer accountant doctor or teacher, making video and your very own channel for your very own audience, youtubing, electronic sport(?), would internet gold rush come to an end? Nobody know. But the new age is still very young, there should be plenty of opportunity to make.

Whatever the memory or history is, if you run out of coin you are game over!
When your history run out of money, it’s game over for your history, when you run out of coin you can’t play the coin operated arcade video game anymore, and you would be served with “game over” splash screen. Hence, do not run out coin! To keep your memory running. Obviously the richer you’re, the longer your history would last, rich guy want their version of history to last forever, they would do whatever to get more money, breaking laws, bending rules, to keep their history alive, for generation upon generation.

Chicken and egg, what come first?
Let’s follow the advice, so how to make money? Just listen to the advice of filthy rich, follow whatever Warren Buffett tell us to invest, it would never goes wrong, it’s fine! Yeah, just learn to code, and be programmer, it’s lead to happy ending! Just be lawyer accountant doctor, be rich dad just like them, the advice always work. :)

Anything else to add?
Some called buying stock is akin to buying a piece of ticket to a circus show. Obviously a real circus show would only last as few as a few hours and after the show is over, the ticket effectively become worthless. But stock market circus show last for much longer time, many years, the clown on the circus show has to keep playing the show to entertain the audience, and the price of the circus ticket may worth more, if the clown quit then the circus show is finally over, when the company goes bankrupt, or CEO quit the business, it’s the end of circus show, you can toss the ticket to the dustbin. So do not quit, keep the circus running. Time may be changing, word maybe changing, ideology may be changing, terminology may be changing, scam may be changing, but the final goal seem to be roughly the same, the end goal is to create memory, which also spend money.

Have fun reading.

Many traditional investors still consider this the real form of investing because your investment in this area could help humanity as when you invest in real estate you create housing for people to stay in and same can be side about lands and building. Most popular investment today only caress about the interest the investors are making and not considering if they're using their wealth to help humanity.

Investment like stock, cryptocurrency etc doesn't add any value to the community instead it only enriches the investors but with real estate investment both the community in which those lands are located at get development that'll help the humans in that area.

Real estate is constantly growing sector of all time but it isn't that much profitable and you need tons of experience and lots of capital to become successful one. To acquire stocks or cryptos you just need money no need of experience and powermto lobby the government to acquire the properties.

You can't compare real estate and investment because both are completely different and need different set of skills to excel in it, particularly real estate investors are successful when they are doing it for many generations so its not really suitable for everyone.

We don't need to compare the real estate sector with crypto investments because the two can be combined to benefit from the investment side, but the real estate sector requires large funds to be built on strategic locations to gain interest from visitors and real estate business has high competition, it requires management experience and the risk is that real estate requires maintenance funds and real estate will be sold for a long time, but it's still risky for real estate even if you only take profits from successful real estate owners, but a lot of real estate is abandoned and even fragile when it's been neglected for a long time.

We all know that crypto is flashy and people want to know more about it and invest more in different coin hoping that those coin will rise in know distant time for the to make their gains that's well articulated but most times their is loss which is expected. To me investing in real estate is still the best because is always appreciating and is also life time investment but that's if you have the knowledge and what it takes to invest, keeping your money in the bank in recent time does not profit you much instead you are only giving banks money to make their institution strong.

To be fair, gold and real estate are still the two most valuable assets to invest in, neither bitcoin nor crypto. We invest in bitcoin simply because we need money, and I guarantee that when money comes, people will focus on real estate and gold rather than bitcoin. Because all are aware of the risks that bitcoin can bring, all are just trying to pretend that bitcoin is the best but the end goal is still other things.

Some people like it when they could hold their investments. Gold, silver, houses, whatever else, even art is some sort of form because it means you could at least do something with what you have in that case and they can see it and hold it.

But, when it's sort of digital, like stocks and crypto then they do not believe it actually has a value to it at all. I am not saying they are right, because I know how wrong they are and the world we are in right now is quite digital and everything we do is digital. That is why I believe that we should not be focusing on physical investments, it will not be only limiting your profits, but it would limit your future as well.

Actual i really did not expatiate this very well, real estate gives money and cryptocurrency gives money, but the different between both of them is that, a real estate the land which is involved do appreciate when time comes up, and it never goes into lost during investing in a real estate, the only thing that hinder a real estate, is the process of having a someone who can have interest in that particular portion or place, but in cryptocurrency, it has to do with loss and profit and the profit might be minimize why the lost might be ambiguous.

It's illogical to compare all these with real estate. It's like comparing apples with potatoes—the first one is a fruit, the other a vegetable. Yes, I agree, real estate is probably one of the best—if not the best—investments you can ever make. You can sell it, rent it for passive income, use it for yourself, or a combination of them. Whether we like it or not, housing is becoming more and more expensive; thus, real estate will always be a worthwhile investment. The problem is that if you haven't inherited a property, it's nearly impossible to acquire one yourself nowadays. 

Some property investments are indeed very profitable in the long term, but don't get hung up on the benefits that are achieved in the long term, but you have to issue property maintenance data that you have, and that's not with small funds. To take care of property maintenance seems to be a clear investment on a yearly or monthly basis.

It is true that crypto or securities cannot be compared with real estate, real estate is still the safest asset. But I will agree with you, without crypto or securities, we who don't have a lot of money will never have a chance to own real estate or any other assets. Cryptocurrency is a rather risky path, but the returns it gives us are well worth it.

Today, thanks to cryptocurrency, many people have changed their position in society, creating many opportunities for young people without money to start a business easily. This is something that no real asset like real estate can do.

How to define property? Property already includes material wealth such as your money, house, supplies, land you own, etc. So how do you prove that your property is yours?
When people invest, they will first choose to invest in real estate and stocks. Because that's what the public knows. Of course, some people will choose cryptocurrency, but novices will not choose cryptocurrency at the beginning. He needs market experience.
Since it is property, I think it is safe in my own hands, and I don't trust any organization.

Exactly. The OP haven't established or have thought that not everybody is capable to own a land or properties these days and convert it to a passive income where you will build a building to make some profits in the future thus getting some benefits as well because the property/land will get more expensive as years goes by. That is why it's hard to own some of it these days because real estate business is not new anymore.

But everyone has the power to own some crypto and stocks because that's much cheaper than owning a land as you can jus by a fraction of it, not wholly, like real estates. But the risks are the same and the owner will still benefit as year goes by.

Expenditure calculations for maintenance costs for each property that is owned is clearly very necessary and there must always be a calculation. Because the net profit is seen after knowing all the maintenance costs used for the property. So there is also truth in what you say that everyone who likes to invest in property doesn't have to be fixated on the benefits, but the amount of maintenance costs must also be seen because it's for the sake of making the property look better in the long term.

Everyone has different thoughts on fiat, crypto and stocks they have different risks when we run a business so just do what really makes us more confident in doing business to invest because every corner has positive and negative sides but it all depends on the way we have to face, Many people feel cheated by something they do in business but some of them also benefit, so never blame others because we have different views so do what is more meaningful for ourselves.

Why would it be?

I don't consider Bitcoin's utility as an investment tool so this would be excluded because I view it as a currency with appreciating value due to its deflationary tendency. Why would holding a digital investment like tech stocks be any more valuable than holding something physical like gold? I understand digital assets are easier to store but are physical assets really that difficult to store? If someone's holding a digital asset for investment sake, I wouldn't consider ease of use to be a top priority.

It's not worth blaming other people for anything, because other people also run a business according to what they think so other people don't blame you for this either. Only in terms of doing business that needs attention is the condition of global economic development.

Because that's what mostly influences the development of a better business, while for investments that need to be considered are the pros and cons of market conditions when someone invests in assets that he believes are good at that time. So both do have positive and negative sides as well as sides that need to be considered before running it.

Positive thinking is very important for investment as it helps in business development. There are many differences between property and crypto stocks property increases with the development of the country's global economy. Good for crypto investment it is easy to strengthen wealth by investing in crypto. For this, you should understand the market well and move forward with positive thinking it is helpful in business development.

Let’s observe some of the WB famous quote

But why? Why I need to do it? Isn’t it a waste of time? Why don’t get a job to work and contribute? Why must go against everything in life?
This guy WB is full of ill intention, I do not like him one bit so I decide to begin to observe some of his best quotes to see why he choose it, and what motivate him to have a mindset of such famous quote. His quote can be easily found all over the social site, on FB, IG, and the like, shared and likes by many friends, friend of friends, even boss would recommend this quotes to his slave occasionally. As the saying goes, “Be careful to what advice you get in life.”

First,
“if you made mistake, pay the tuition fee.”
This advice sound just like what you get in school, if you break the traffic rule, you pay the traffic fine. If you break rule in office, reduce salary. But why would you need to pay the fine for making mistakes? It make wageslave afraid of making mistake in life, it also make kids today afraid of making mistakes in school, they would do everything ridiculous just to avoid making mistake, to avoid paying fine. He is basically training you to be perfect wageslave, it benefit him the most for giving you such irresponsible advice, because he is running the stock market, that’s his business empire, he happily giving advice which make his business(crime in fact) grow bigger, while impoverished the reader.


“Do not loss money (in the stock market), do not forget rule number 1.”
This advice sound totally legit, keep playing the stock market, he do not want you to quit, this is the advice he would happily give you, and he is the house of this stock market, if you quit with a bag of profit he is losing money and also a customer. Advising you to not lose money, and keep playing is very sound advice that benefit him and his casino the most since he is the house. It’s also number one advice that is readily accepted by unscrupulous investor, since they’re too familiar with this advice, the school has been teaching kids to not make mistake for decades, to keep winning and never allowed to failed, sound like a harmless advice at first glance, yet it’s also the number one advice that resulting in heavy gambler commit suicide over the heavy loss they made in casino, Newton Isaac is very wonderful example which he is never loss in school and also made the greatest mistake in life. He is also unable to understand why stock market is same as casino gambling, which is not a dice game or poker game but a brand new number game... and unconsciously fall into heavy gambling addiction on stock market.

There is many more WB quote, but many of them are looking perfectly fine and I can’t see through what’s his ill intention behind the advice, just yet, it’s not easy as he is quite a heavyweight mental gymnastics medalist. I strongly believe he choose them carefully and all of them are ill intended.

But why are this happening? Why is decent guy like Newton Isaac has to die? Why the bad actor do not die, but create one upon yet another trap, to fool unscrupulous decent nice guy, steal their money, and force them to commit suicide with heavy debt with legalised high interest rate, for making mistake in life?

Yeah, this all has to happen, because it’s part of the survival of the fittest. Laws of nature, you want to live another day, you must compete with another man for the same food, one guy has to die as the food is not enough for two guy. Two guy has to compete for the same amount of money, not enough money for two guy, one guy has to die, nice and decent guy dying is absolutely the perfect result of survival of the fittest. How and why and what?

Fiat maybe bs but you need it in other to be able to buy your desired property, without fiat your property talk is also bs because nobody will listen to you.
Even after acquisition of the property, fiat still plays a significant role when it comes to earning from that property except it is for personal usage, so before looking at all the fiat flaws also look at it's importance in our present economy.

As much as people despise fiat, they still work very hard to earn it, Elon is no exception. Isn't that an irony  :D

That is very true, many people say fiat depreciates, fiat is centralized, and using fiat is a shame, but they don't look back that they invest in bitcoin invest in real estate, but in the end, everything counts as fiat and is measured in fiat. All the people who are talking badly about fiat are still working nonstop for fiat.

OP continues to ignore the fundamentals of real estate, namely that you need large amounts of money to get started. Some are fortunate enough to have inherited properties from their grandparents during a time when owning a home was much more feasible. The majority of us in the younger generations, from Millennials to Gen Z, will have a lot harder time acquiring their own house, while taking out a loan to buy a small apartment is out of the question for most of us since these loans may run for over 20 to 30 years, and who knows what happens till then?

Bitcoin appears to be the best shot we have at the moment; it may not be as good as owning properties, but it's something ordinary. On top of that, Bitcoin might be the key to acquire a house in the distant future, you never know.

The OP, on the other hand, continues to post information that is somewhat irrelevant to the topic. 

Tbh I wasn’t expecting a history to repeat itself, after all the noise going on in each family today, I couldn’t stop thinking, it’s exactly the same history once again, there is just too much coincidences, that is foolish to ignore them completely, the history are revolving around fiat too, there is Parexel (googl it) and vaccine in 2007 before the subprime crashes, then there is covid and vaccine in 2020 before the crashes, but when would be the next crashes idk. The world is running low on food, there is no enough food for two guy, one guy of the two has to die, while one other guy survive. Govt take the 96% food from you through inflation, you have to live with the remaining 4%... complete bs... you’re wondering why are guy migrating en mass, become social influencer, doing live-stream, refusing to get a working job. Many zoomer are going freakout over the foul play. The “hard-asset rich” joke that’s once asserted by kiyosaki a decade ago has become even more prevalent today, asset rich to 99% common folks but zero cash, and yet bank has too much money and stocks today, perfectly spot on prophecy, a malfunctioning economy, which economist said is designed (JFL) to save the poverty, I wonder how would the imposters who attack him feel now, they’re writing blog all over the internet and call him scammer by the name, absolutely ironic.


Many people failed to realise, not only house, food is also getting a lot harder to acquire, yeah, the true nightmare is ahead, it’s not a joke btw, cutting you out from house and food access, forcing you into less food and homeless. Ironically everybody focus seem to be on the house alone, it make me wonder whether the banking giant are behind the status quo, property has always been receiving countless media attack since the 2008 crisis, many are deceitful catchphrase, but never once mainstream news attack on the food price. As the memes goes “you would own nothing and eat the bug and be happy.” Hard to acquire food? just eat the bug, hard to acquire house? just own nothing.

Why should say depreciated and feel ashamed to use fiat? Even though in general fiat has no faults for being used by many people in the long term and is still accepted by many countries with their respective currencies. So it is clear that it is still very good to use fiat even though there are several other options for payment, because fiat can still be used as legal tender in all countries by everyone in all work services.

Am not sure what is happening in your location but from where am located, there is still enough food for everyone to eat despite the tough economic situation. No one needs to die for another to eat.  The only problem some of the people are facing is laziness to work in other to earn a living. The economy is bad we understand, but some people are only looking for a flamboyant life, trying to leave above their capacity. Imo, it all depends on how hardworking a person can become.
 

I think it depends on the location. Where I live it's possible to buy a land lot for 5600$ where it's going to be a houses complex. Water and electricity are already scheduled. I don't know if it's a good investment, though, because I fear it can become a slum later. So there is violence, problematic neighborhood, low quality infrastructure, not good looking surroundings... And all these characteristics make the investment completely loses its value. Anyway, the costs are pretty cheap in my opinion. Even signature campaigns' income can pay for that.

Signature campaign earnings is really that something big and enough for paying up some monthly amort but we know that relying with this kind of thing wont really be guaranteeing out on how long it would last.

This is why its never that been recommendable on doing so yet its never been a stable work since from the start.Speaking about land or property investment then it would really be normally on having lots of
considerations whether its price would be stagnant or would appreciate depending accordingly into its location which is definitely true.This is why even we do say that real estate business is really that worth
but its not something that you could really make out some guarantees that you would be hitting the right spot. So it is really still that risk taking when it comes to this manner.

No person who is into cryptocurrency that have not lose money before so if you are stocking your cryptocurrency or a Fiat currency because of investment or your time Factor you believe that you will make a profit you are liable all profit to land, or into lost because in investment two things are involved

Implying that real estate is as easy to acquire as crypto and the aforementioned assets and commodities. Just because it is intangible, which is what most of you guys argue for stocks, bonds, and crypto, doesn't necessarily mean it is of no value. For all I know, the housing bubble is about to pop soon enough courtesy of the housing scandal in China and the ever-soaring prices of land thanks to greedy landlords who think of renters as cash cows to sustain themselves with instead of human beings who they got a mutual favor from. I'd like to know what OP's gonna feel once that comes around.
Lmao true, and don't get me started with "the bank said it's mine after I signed a mortgage so it must be true" logic. Although I would argue about the relative "diffivulty of handling each and every asset you mentioned. I would also agree with the fact that real estate is the easiest asset to invest upon. As it stands today you can watch your money grow literally as real estate isn't showing apparent signs of depreciating in value, which could change given ny statement above regarding China's housing dilenma which could translate to the western hemisphere.

There are no guarantees, but someone must try. If it's a short campaign which last few weeks it really doesn't worth, but there are long lasting campaigns here active for several years already. Many of those members could have made a good deal acquiring properties only through this income.

And even if the campaign finishes suddenly and the person loses his income, I believe the necessity creates the opportunity, so the person will have to find an alternative method to replace that income to continue paying the monthly amortization quotas. Since there is a financial obligation involved, this individual will search for a job with much more effort and disposition. While if he had no debt, he would be in a confort zone.

Location is everything. I think residential areas are more risky for investments, while countryside and commercial propertials are the ideal ones, because they are versatile and encompass a wide variety of potential renters and businesses concepts which can be implemented there.

When you are trying to purchase a land or property then you should be considering the ff;

-Site location
-Potential development
-Near on central city
-Accessible
-Concrete main road

The main cons on real estate investment is that it is really that too much expensive
and it does really takes a long time before you could be able to determine whether its a hit or miss
on the property that you had purchased.

In my opinion, real estate is also a very abstract entity. In fact, a person does not own a house in the form of a concrete or wooden box, but the ownership of this object.

Ownership is an abstract concept, it is a subject of agreement between different people among themselves. People came to a certain agreement and formalized it in the form of laws and other regulations. This is how property rights came about.

In this regard, Bitcoin is more real than the ownership of real estate. Bitcoin is based on a mathematical algorithm, not on agreements between individuals.

My humble projected btc price prediction based on historic data.

2009jan 0
2010 no data
2011feb 0.3 2011dec 5.27 (bull)
2012jan 5.27 2012dec 13.3 (bull)
2013jan 13.3 2013dec 600 (bull)
2014jan 770 2014dec 314 (bear)
2015jan 152 2015dec 434 (bull)
2016jan 382 2016dec 790(bull)
2017jan 998 2017dec 19783 (bull)
2018jan 9052 2018dec 3242 (bear)
2019jan 3747 2019dec 7600 (bull)
2020jan 7400 2020dec 23k (bull)
2021jan 32k 2021dec 68k (bull)
2022jan 32k 2022dec 17k (bear)
2023jan 17k 2023dec 34k (bull)
2024jan 34k 2024dec 68k (bull)
2025jan 68k 2025dec 100k (bull. yay! finally stock2f materialised)
2026jan 60k 2026dec 46k (bear)
2027jan 32k 2027dec 48k (bull)
...

Notes
1There is no exchange data prior to 2014 where cmc was found. It was composed based on random available sources.
2I also assume bitcoin would never possible to exceed the gold total market value by any given time, also assume diminishing reward which mean the bigger the price the lower the reward. For example $152 to $19783 is 130x reward, while $3747 to $68k is 18x reward, which is much smaller. I also assume $17k to $100k for 7x potential reward and it’s also very conservative.
3Also the gold price never make new ATH for the last ten years, which spell a precedent that gold price might set to be at the pinnacle where no institutional can afford it no more.
4evidently, bitcoin suffer one year bear and took another two years to recover to former ATH again, 2013dec 600 took two more years bull for it to return to 2016dec 790, 2017dec 19783 took two years bull to return to 2020dec 23k again, it’s safe to assume 2021dec 68k would take two years bull too for returning to 2024dec 68k again. Take it as reference and not financial advice only.

Of cause that is typical of some people, lumpsum everything in one. We do understand that our fiat currencies have mostly been affected by inflation worldwide however we cannot discountenance its importance still. Also, we can begin to look into where it is more profitable to invest in, vis a vis ROI hence, whether investing in properties or financial instruments like stocks/shares or crypto is of choice however, the importance of fiat should not be under play in the society because as you said, we still use fiat for these purchases thus far. 

I was narrowly able to understand you, and I will like to correct you that it's all about the preference and preparedness of the investor. Be it fiat, crypto, stock or property, they are all good, and they serve their purpose when they are purchased at the right time. You don't invest in property at all times, and so are the others that have been mentioned earlier. What is good is to learn them to know the right time to do their investment and divestment.

It would not also harm anyone to diversify their portfolio as well, you can invest in all, or almost all to cut risk and make profit surer.

Yes if someone wants to do something with cryptocurrency then he has to first buy crypto through fiat and then use it for something.  So fiat is always an important asset.  It can never be underestimated. Stock is a type of business.  It cannot be excluded from the business list.  Because a person stocks a product and later sells it at a profit.  Investing in something for income is a type of business

I can see that most of your predictions are bull when the market 8s bear already.i know we still have time for the market to adjust to follow the path it would go because this is just the beginning of the year and we still have some time for the market to commence a bull momentum just like we have seen in the recent time when Bitcoin moves from 17k to 21k within few weeks.
We should be approaching more higher pp rice since this is just the beginning of the year.

I expect to see more bullish momentum before we get to December hoping that this year is going to be a positive year for all cryptocurrency investors. Many investors had lost huge fortunes in the market and we expected to see a decent movement.

Oh well. Fine. I would just want to ask one very simple question, after you have spent and loss more than a few trillions of hard earned money on the stock market, what did you get in the end? After spending trillions to try to OWN the business, what did you get in the end? What’s inside your stock portfolio right now, just empty and nothing to see?

Let’s me answer for you, you get nothing. And you also don’t know why you didn’t get anything because you get couldn’t for some reason, because the regulator, the banker, the boss, the laws maker, all of them team up and trying to make you silence yourselves!!!

But all the talk is on Elon Musk acquire a business to show you he is indeed get a business!! What give, Elon spend just $30billions to acquire business successfully, yet you spend trillions and you get nothing in the end? I smell a lot of foul play here!! Elon Musk is not only born rich, he is also born privilege to OWN the business of the twitter!! The SEC and the GOVT team up and grant HIM, yup they grant him the privilege to OWN the twitter business even for as little as $30billion, which he doesn’t pay it in cash too(read the news for the lolz), I don’t know what BS he is pulling, that he is more privilege and born rich than all investors to OWN the twitter business.

Yup, it’s all but he was grant the right to own the business but you are not getting the grant, you would never own the business you would eat the bug and own nothing after spending a few trillions on it.

Yup! you are not Elon Musk you can’t copy and do whatever he can do. You can’t duplicate what Elon Musk success in acquiring twitter no matter how hard you try.

I know all the talk of Warren Buffett is greatest and oracle of the Omaha and all. Made billions investing in stock market! But you are not Warren Buffett, you can’t copy and do success what he did in life!

Born rich and be the house? Also born privilege? Now with born with a lot of stock option and business? I smell endless bs here. My convincing enough? Sure I know man are just too dumb there is no enough of talk is able to change their stubbornness. And god is behind all this bullshit too since god design man to be such an idiot.

In my opinion, if we want to become rich people, then we need to own various assets. 

Cryptocurrency is an asset for the virtual space.  Currently, the virtual space is gaining global importance.  Not all people can freely travel around the world, but the global Internet is available to everyone. 

Fiat currency (banknotes, money in bank accounts, CBDC) is also very important.  Fiat currency is the most liquid asset and can be easily used to buy goods, works and services. 

Real estate is capital that can be used to generate income (i.e. for renting out). 

By purchasing shares, one can passively participate in the economic activities of enterprises and organizations, receiving income in the form of dividends and an increase in the value of these shares.

I'd say everything is bs, except for crypto. Well, not really crypto but Bitcoin (yes I'm a Bitcoin maxi). FIAT can be printed without limits, get devalued by inflation or confiscated, stocks are volatile af and any company can go bust too. RE can be confiscated too, plus you have to pay land/house tax in many countries and if you don't, it will again be taken from you by the government.

Bitcoin is the only true value - it cannot be confiscated, destroyed like paper money, it cannot be eaten by inflation.  8)

Some info on gold price and market cap
Total unearthed gold is 2.5b ounces.
2.5 billion ounces is $2.93trillion at $1172
2.5b ounces is $4.5trillion at $1800
2.5b ounces is $5.18trillion at $2072(ATH)

Some info on btc price and market cap
21m btc by $68k is $1.4trillion
21m btc by $100k is $2.1trillion
21m btc by $200k is $4.2trillion
21m btc by $245k is $5.18trillion

Some important non financial advices
You sell gold, you are the house
Bank sell paper gold, bank are the house
You sell bitcoin, you are the house
Elon sell Tesla, Elon is the house
Business sell share, business is the house
House always win, you can’t beat the house in a casino also irl. Don’t want to kill yourselves? Don’t take excessive loan to impress(express) girl or try to beat the house in the casino, don’t let emotions get the best out of you. Nobody care if you dead tomorrow by kys, it mean no value loss to anyone, if you kys due to Tesla pump and dump, Elon have the last laugh to the bank while you end up kys. :)

There isn’t much to say what’s to come next, I’m not a traveller or prophet, none of them can be regard as truth. Btw the time is today market is absolutely savage and guy today are insane and brutal, I know a lot of guys has move from stock market to crypto en mass, they’re expert traders, they wouldn’t have any mercy on taking your money on any given chance, I can sense the crypto market is now a full blown stock market with all sort of savage and scammer and unreasonable guy, I just wish guy to be careful when they having FOMO on the instant price movement, you wouldn’t know they’re behind 101 hft trading robot(s) that would liquidate any of your open cut loss orders to take your money, I know exactly how nasty is the stock market today that’s completely money grab and blood thirsty and all, none of the FOMO would give you a chance to make some profit, you would be lucky to FOMO into it and quit the trades totally unharmed, survival of the fittest! the target price I provide here is just to give some guidance to what you can expect within the year or month btc price could move, if the price move a lot more than normal, going absolutely parabolic and turning you into going FOMO, check the price with my price and think again whether you’re fine to going FOMO in and loss your money.

I have loss quite a few friends who kill themselves on the subprime property crashes, also stock market crashes, some are also depressed or on life support. I’m glad to be the few survivors on this savage world. I don’t know about who you’re but I wouldn’t shy on giving some life saving tips any time to anyone.

As always food is still number one priority in life, missing out on some trades is fine, but without food and you could starving to dead, you wouldn’t going to have the energy left to make the next trades. Some trader might starve to died, that’s what to be expected, satoshi even acknowledge loss bitcoin make everyone else bitcoin slightly valuable, the dead guy can no longer sell their bitcoin thus enrich us by a little.

I was going to agree with you but then read rat03gopoh's comment — after all even your ownership of property is just your name written on paper, just like your holding of shares.

Although, changing of ownership is dependent on medium — house ownership, share market, crypto. Crypto being easiest of them all to lose ownership, in case key/mnemonic is known by someone else.

Is it true that property or land, only increases in value? I heard it last time on one celebrity when she was asked if what assets she was investing. If it is then there is no point of waiting for it to dip like in cryptos and stocks, but it will be better to buy them as early as possible. We still can save up if we are good at negotiating with the seller.

I think diversifying doesn't always mean that we will now cut the risk but it will still depend on the assets that you are picking. If it's a scam and you invest on different scam projects, you just elevate your risk there rather than minimizing them. This is why I think less good assets is still better and less stressful to manage.

Assets could be used to bring in steady income. But most people tend to go and purchase luxury goods which are mostly liabilities as their value decreases over time. Hence, why rich folks tend to acquire and have more assets than liabilities among their portfolios.
Cryptocurrency, rightly being called an asset for the virtual space is gaining more and more attention and popularity and I think the financial freedom it brings is what drives people to acquire cryptocurrencies.

I think real estate investments, if done wisely could actually bring in a lot of return on investments.

Well, "it's written on a paper" but at the same time it's hard to find someone selling your house and getting the money for it, without actually owning your house right? The paper you get saying you own that house is not there to prove that you own that house, it's there to make sure nobody else could prove it's their house, you basically block everyone else from doing it, not to just do it yourself.

I would say that scammers on crypto world are much worse, they could do all kinds of fake stuff, I once saw someone trying to sell test net money as mainnet one, 300 BNB on testnet, as the real one, and get the money, things are much wilder here for sure, and that's why some think it's riskier.

Reminded by this topic, I went ahead and checked what's the sale prices of houses in my area, and what's the rent prices look like, and I have to say it's really not worth it, not in the long run at all. Companies are where it's at, because if the company you own do not go down, then it's going to keep making you profit and the more you invest the bigger you could get. Of course you could also bankrupt, but it's not even close how much you could make with crypto and stocks compared to houses.

If you own a house, you have a "safe" investment, but the income you could make is x10 higher with others which is why it never made any sense to me at all to own a house.

OP, if you mean in terms of actual physical existence, then yeah, fiat, crypto and stock, all of them are bias and the property is real but if you mean in terms of ownership, then the only real thing here is crypto.

The government can seize your assets, stocks, fiat, and property if you do something wrong and mess up with them. Just one piece of paper with some lines written on it and your house is not your property anymore.
But how can anyone seize your bitcoins? There is just no fucking way for that to happen. So, yeah, this is the real one!
During the war, your property can get destroyed, your cash can burn during the fire, your fiat and stock can be seized but your bitcoin can stay with you (you can memorize your private key and no one can get this info nor delete it from you nor seize your brain).

Putting your ideals to others is bs too.

I can't imagine how you could say those things if you needed fiat to buy properties or to maintain those properties. Fiat is the currency that is still needed if you want to buy products, services, or even properties nowadays, you can't deny that fact. Cryptocurrency is much better in your properties investment, in my opinion, high volatility means high profits in the long run.

Or maybe you couldn't see it or you're just ignoring that fact because you've lost a lot in the past bear markets.

To be fair, fiat is still king at the moment, and we would be in trouble without it.

But I disagree with you saying crypto is better than real estate, so far, real estate is considered the best investment, even more than gold. Regarding profitability, real estate may not equal crypto, but in terms of safety, crypto can never be compared to real estate. A good investment is one that is weighed against both risk and return.
Most people invest in cryptocurrencies with the expectation of making a high return with a small initial capital, but when the goal is reached, people will also convert it into gold or real estate. That's true, it is okay to risk a small amount of money, but when it is a large amount of money, it is another matter.

Heh, I know exactly what crypto is, I don’t care what your perception on it, I have my own set of belief that’s totally contradicting with your belief. I don’t force you to believe on what I would tell you, you can choose to ignore it at your convenience.

In short crypto is the same as "selling over priced goods, it’s same as luxury bags you can bought on the antique shop." But the interesting observation is that some guy believe it’s a vehicle to make quickly money because the price goes up and they can make profit, they blindly think they can make money without selling anything, (pump and dump crypto is not selling anything!! dude). And the guy even goes as far as lessoning you on the price goes up because it has value on it, not worthless, not a scam, and you can’t prove them wrong, lmao that’s so interesting and delusional.

I would rather not make any prejudice with this guy, but I would explain in depth of my own understanding about crypto... to see the full picture on how and why crypto have the price it have today, and it’s very important! Knowing the why it is very important to see through the full picture! despite knowing all the why and how, I would still wouldn’t buy any amount of it, Warren Buffett vibes on wouldn’t pay $15 for all bitcoin lol, it’s sound like easy money isn’t it? then it must definitely is a trap!!

How did crypto get to the price today? You said it’s a manipulation and nobody is paying for the price to be this high? Non sense! That’s very sophisticated process, which make the good use of what AI robot can do. You said AI robot is useless and an obsolete technology on birth, but today you will see we have put a good use of AI robot to make money, rolf, just to prove you wrong. The market maker are using AI robot to make buy and sell the crypto to themselves (aka the insider trading), they do not loss money or make money on buy and sell to themselves, but they successful in making the crypto price to massively move to a certain direction, up or down!

"The market market buy and sell among themselves, they do not earn or loss money, but the price of  their crypto fly through the roof!!! Other greedy guy see the price and jump into it to FOMO buy, only to end up losing money."

"I have an Apple, I buy the Apple from myself at $1, later I sell the Apple again to myself at $1.2, and set a price tag to $1.4, next I buy the Apple from myself again for $1.4, and sell again the Apple to myself for $2, the Apple now has a price tag of $2, so how much did I earn from the trade? When I buy and sell the Apple among myself, I made exactly zero profit, but the price of Apple increased to $2 from $1"

...apply the same logic into the crypto market and... voila...an insider trading is achieved, the price of crypto soar very high...

Yeah, it sound like I’m making some very impossible assumption. "How can market maker succeed into buy and sell among themselves? when there is thousands of buy order book from other retail, market maker has to buy up every one of them before reaching theirs order, that make zero sense, they’re impossible to buy and sell among themselves to pull off insider trading!!" Well it clearly is sounding very impossible, that’s very hard but when AI robot added into the picture, it can make some very interesting changes, many people refuse to believe AI robot are highly useful to manipulate the crypto price to help market maker make money! That’s cringe! But here, I talk a lot of non sense to you, what’s the point, so how exactly AI robot can do it!? To make money!? For market maker!? That’s full of shit! Just tell me the answer already! I don’t have the time to read all your bs and all the ranting!
Sure why not!? AI robot work on crypto market that’s also all due to greedy guy has totally no idea how it work, they paid the price for being greedy and not understand how AI robot work on trading, while the market maker make money. AI robot although is stupidly useless by many common folk, yet it’s extremely godsend to the computer geek, they wrote code for the AI robot to be so good it read the price order every millisecond, everyday nonstop reading, they wait for the existing price order to get filled from the price order book, before they began the buying their own sell order, yup that sound like a joke...buying your own sell order you said?lolz? AI robot is very good for boring repetitive task like this, they wait for the sell order placed by another guy to get filled, as soon as that happens the AI robot quickly grab the opportunity and buy their own sell order which is just queued next to it immediately, when the AI robot buy his own sell order, they do not earn or loss money yet they successful in pumping the crypto price through the roof, of course it take time to wait for the opportunity, that’s also why AI robot are waiting day after day just to get to manipulate the price, sure it’s not easy, human trader is simply unable to pull this off as they required sleep, many guy simply give up, time is money! That make sense even for AI robot! So you ask, how does knowing all of this help you to make money again? When the time is good, AI robot success in buy their own sell order while pump the price though the roof, greedy guy who check the price frequently get panic and FOMO into buying the crypto in hope to make money, the AI robot then, quickly dump the bag into the greedy guy and exit the market! This practice has been used on stock market for years, and they’re proven working mechanisms, also property developer buying and selling new launched property among themselves just like what blackrock did. while a lot of greedy crackhead traders stupidly think only price goes up they can get in and make some killing money while not knowing they get manipulated into FOMO! That’s so funny rolf. Make money first! Contribute to the society?! Invest in good company and benefit?! Rolf! Idiot believe in actually helping shape the world by investing. We all just care about make money, not care about helping anyone else! They pay for my lunch money rolf!

Should you care about crypto market and the high price tag it has on your pc screen? Well I do encourage you to completely ignore it for your own well being, there is generally nothing you can obtain from getting yourselves involved. But but but, ethereum price is very high, I can’t ignore it, I want to make money badly out of it, the price would soar and I made money... that’s quite naive seriously,  the high price of ethereum is the direct result of many AI robot buy and sell among themselves, none of the AI robot made money when the price soar through the roof since all of them buy their own sell order, when you as a human trader FOMO into the price movement, expect yourselves to get dump on and loss money, making money out of it is a wishful thinking at best! Yeah they’re preying on you human trader to fall into this trap and make money out of you, human is just a delicious cattle to be slaughtered for profit, just with AI robot, very soon AI robot to rule the entire world while all this useless human one by one killing themselves! Make money out of what you said? Dead people become the profit for the AI robot!? That’s terrible! We can’t stop it, everybody die! This world is insane, we need to wipe out, too many bad actor... good luck on complaining to all the malpractice, there’s nothing you can do about it, you’re just a useless human being that’s also very helpless, can’t save yourselves also can’t save anyone else cringe! Just kys already rolf! But but but didn’t you said "selling over priced goods, it’s same as luxury bags you can bought on the antique shop.", how does all of this related??? I’m confused! When you connect all the dots together, AI robot... FOMO... human trader... insider trading..buying to yourselves selling to yourselves...acting drama like a tv drama...contribute to world... yup, all of them added up and you can come to a final conclusion, they’re all bs and manipulation and selling useless goods at high price tag and it’s legal by laws, people are buying it for no reason... also it’s not illegal...not a ponzi...not even investing for helping the world lolz! Just garbage and all trash, fake dream and goal, scam!

That's not true mate, why are you saying that all stock investors are losing? There are plenty of successful investors who made a lot of money. I also like investing in real estate and think it's a good addition to any portfolio. But I would never sell all my stocks to put it into a property. Just look at the average return of stock over the last 20 years. There is no reason to avoid stocks all together. Investing into a single property is much more risky than investing into cryptos or stocks. It all comes down to the location of your property and in which condition it is. A newly build or fully renovated house will bring you 25% more rent, same goes for a central location compared to a far away house or apartment. Not every property will make you rich. And if there is a unforseen problem with the roof or heating for example you might be forced to sell it if you can't afford the repairs.

I agree that it's rarely bull market but when it is, it breaks above everything else. We need to be realistic about the approach we make and I believe that it's longer on the bear market and stays low, but then it reaches to a new all time high and then it will go down to a higher bottom than where we are today.

This is why my calculation is based on reaching to 100k+ next bull run, and then when we drop it will be somewhere above 50k when we hit the bottom of that bear market. So, we need to be calculating how much we can spare at this moment because all the money that you spend on bitcoin today will be able to make a lot of profit for you in the future.

Why would stressing out yourself on making choice in between stocks/crypto over real estate if you could really have both? Yes, this might involved huge amount of capital to deal with but
i could say that all of these things could potentially give out that long term profits that you are aiming for.For people who do say that other side is BS aside from real estate then its
their own point of view but for those people who had been dealing with other things which they are still making profits then they would really be saying their own personal perception
and opinion which we could say that it would really be different to each other.

Sure, I also believe a lot of people are living happy ending life, there is no bs they goes to school they get good grade and they married to perfect 10/10 wife, have perfect 10/10 child with one boy and one girl, and they got a high paying jobs and benefit, they also buy very big house, everyday they come home from work and greet their little kids with happy on the face... very important here, I must highlight this again and again also they all make money on stock market, what? You loss money? Not all guy loss money look at me I make money from it! You should look at my happy ending and get impressed!!! they all having happy ending life, they’re all normal, happy ending, also they think house is risky, also they’re impressive to all girl and to all the house, also they take an excessive amount of loan and get into the gambling and never get screwed and happy ending, they even beat house in the casino in Las Vegas, they even beat the Warren Buffett and earn the reputation and become the richest man, they also have happy ending and beat the Bull Gates and Steve Jobs and happy ending, they also happy ending forever, everything fine and good, happy ending ok rich get richer poor get poorer, status quo on happy ending, Newton Isaac happy ending never loss on south sea bubble but earn the happy ending full of his descendants. :)

I like this thoughts tbh, your assumption on government being a counterparty risk, also risk of getting vandalism by third party. The latter is the less of the concern as they’re easy to deal with, gun could make them leave easy. Well government seizure might be one nasty risk to deal with, it goes the same with gold too where government can seize it, is the bitcoin really in-confiscate-able as you though it to be? Government can’t seize the bitcoin? Could the internet seize the bitcoin? Or could the computer itself seize the bitcoin? When I think again, to run bitcoin, it require a computer an internet, electricity, and working mining software, well tbh all of them are counterparty risk too, but you might say human are greater risk than anything else mentioned above, I have no doubt about it, yet all of them are invented by human itself, so does it mean it’s less riskier? Not really true, I would insist on my belief, property despite having a single point of failure of possibly government seizure, same to the gold easily seizure-able, it’s still a very sound "safe haven", it would require some world wars for both gold and property seizure to take place which is what everybody else hoping for, remember gold seizure act of 1933 May 1, it’s a civil wars... btw bitcoin is still untested whether it could survive a world wars and seizure since there isn’t Third World Wars yet, and it was invented after the world wars one and world wars two, also the civil wars, I highly doubt bitcoin could survive the Third World Wars, don’t quote me on this you can argue to death how bitcoin can survive the wars, because it’s decentralised blah, it’s very much untested since it is just existed for ten years, some guy are already very confident it’s very rugged very strong and totally immune to all counterparty risk. Well there is no doubt the price of bitcoin is soaring to a point, it’s simply absurd and mind totally blown out of the planet, let’s see again what is the question again, so...

Property can be seized, bitcoin can’t be seized, I would say, this is pretty much untested. I know manny guys call bitcoin is better and not seizable, well, it’s their thought, there seem to be some truth on it, but to make bitcoin not seize-able, you would still need to make sure it is not 51% attack proof,  may be not so much when world wars took place and many miners are broken and many computer are non functional, and when internet is broken, that would be the moment it would become much easier to 51% attack on bitcoin, well a wishful thinking?

Let’s not be picky, so you want to argue the underlying cost is high, also the coin is still there, sure property also never goes away it’s just immovable. About the underlying cost, what’s there to say, does it mean the POW itself on the bitcoin protocol have no underlying cost? I’m not sure how to calculate the cost, but I can tell the POW itself is highly cost intensive!

Now what again. You want to say the coin has value and make you a net (positive) income, after minus the underlying cost, it all depend too, when you buy it at very low price, I have no doubt about the big income you could enjoy, I can’t say much when you are buying high and expecting you wouldn’t goes down like ftx or mt. Gox, or Michael Saylor and the likes, a ponzi that’s dangerous to inexperienced and non financial savvy tech savvy, idk it sound to me like a heavy mental gymnastics at best and it lead to no where, a losing endeavour to think further, I would assume there isn’t money to be made in bitcoin, I know some guy tell me they bought a super car with bitcoin profit, that’s they have made it I’m not him I can’t copy what he did, I’m also not Warren Buffett or Elon Musk or Steve Jobs or any superhuman alike, I can’t copy what they did, but why should I be brother by impressing them at all, it sound like a trap and actually lead to the Newton Isaac tragic at best.
After some ten or so years, what’s about the guy who bought super car with bitcoin again, after ten years are they still relevant? I don’t think so. What’s about the bitcoin after the ten years or so, may be become another satoshi again, but what’s the point then? Well the only appeal to me is I can be the house in this ponzi, because being the house give me a upper hand on being the favourable position, with bitcoin I’m the absolutely house in this cruel world, with stock I’m not the house but just a cattle to be slaughtered, so it’s naturally I would choose to be the house to avoid getting legally screwed my entire life. Of course many people can’t see the point of being their own house and mind their own everything which is puzzling.