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Mexican star Saul 'Canelo' Alvarez confirms homecoming fight against Britain's John Ryder on May 6; WBC, WBA, IBF and WBO super-middleweight belts all at stake in undisputed title clash at Akron Stadium in Guadalajara.
https://www.skysports.com/boxing/news/12040/12833799/saul-canelo-alvarez-to-defend-undisputed-super-middleweight-titles-against-john-ryder-in-mexico-on-may-6

Not that surprising because we have already heard this man's name even before Canelo Alvarez underwent to a much needed surgery because his wrist has been in pain since the Canelo-GGG III fight. I'm just glad that this fight is now a done deal because people are waiting for Canelo's return as he have a lot of boxer now queued to fight him afterwards, Canelo may put his belt on the line on this one but let's not forget that this is just a tune-up fight.

It is a tune fight and he needs a tune fight like this to get back in shape after the surgery although his opponent is on a four-winning streak I doubt if Ryder is going to win this war, but I don't rule out an upset because Ryder is capable of delivering an upset, this is a one time chance of a lifetime for Ryder so he should have a huge preparation.
We're looking for a Benavidez - Canelo match if both fighters hurdle their respective opponents which we are all sure will happen

Yeah, hehehe, we have been discussing his name on the other thread, it's just this makes it's official now that Canelo will have a 'tune-up' fight against Ryder. He needs to put his belt on the line here, and it's going to be a homecoming fight for Canelo in Mexico. For sure, the fans are still going to buy the tickets even if he is facing lesser known opposition.

Good payday for Ryder though, for the kick off press conference and face-off, here is the video below:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bw9y1vI6zuI

Yes, I've seen that one. Thanks for sharing it by the way.

This John Ryder slightly got a height & reach advantage over the undisputed champ but I doubt that it will be enough to defeat Canelo that is still on his prime. There might be chances of upset though but that is just slim even if this challenger got a consecutive wins recently as those wins are also not that impressive. Anyway, we never know, Ryder will be fighting Canelo that came from a surgery, that might be a factor on this one, we'll see.

Fighting on "Cinco De Mayo" has been a tradition now for Canelo Alvarez and with him coming from hand surgery (which i'm not aware of), i think this is just the way to go, a tune-up fight for him in front of his hometown fans. I'm not expecting an upset here since we all know that Canelo is very serious in his training camp whoever it is that he will be facing.

I just hope that after this one, he will pursue his rematch with Bivol or a fight with Benavidez hehe.

Canelo is my favourite active fighter and a hall of famer.

Ryder is durable and he impressed me in his loss to Daniel Jacobs.

I have Canelo winning by TKO in the 9th round.

He is the new Oscar, as I have remembered the Dela Hoya used to own this dates because of his Mexican Heritage.

But I can't remember if Oscar did fight in Mexico though, so this could be the difference and we are going to see how big Canelo is in his native country. I don't know how big Akron Stadium is, but for sure Canelo can fill that up.

As for Ryder, well, we will see if he deserves this spot or just another tune up for Alvarez.

I wouldn't surprised if the odds for Canelo Alvarez is lower than 1.10x because John Ryder is really not a tough boxer, David Benavidez and Caleb Plant are better than him, Canelo Alvarez did beat Plant, so it's technically Canelo already beat Ryder.

Betting via winning methods or the rounds end will be more worthy rather than bet on draw no bet or moneyline option. Canelo win via KO or 9-12 rounds seems better to bet if the bookies have this option.

The notable win of John Ryder is against Daniel Jacobs, and maybe he caught Jacobs at the tail end of his career, and prior to that he lost to Callum Smith, in which Canelo beat already, and he doesn't have a good KO % as well.

And some bookies already listed him at 12:1 underdog against Alvarez.

Let's see what will be the other "good" betting options for this as obviously, Alvarez is going to be the overwhelming favorite.

Akron Stadium can hold almost thrice as much people compared to the MGM Grand Arena where its capacity is only below 20,000 while Akron can do 48,000.

So seeing those figures, we can somehow say that it's indeed much bigger than any arena's in Las Vegas, Nevada like Allegiant or T-Mobile as it can cater more guests especially Canelo's own supporters and countrymen. And considering the population of boxing fans in Mexico, I think 48,000 seating capacity is just enough to be considered full because aside from Mexicans, there are other people as well across the globe who will be glad to watch Canelo live again.

We'll see if Ryder deserves it but I strongly believes that it's the other way around because Canelo is not yet done.

Considering that facts, then @Jawhead999 might be right about the odds he posted above because most of the bookies will compare Ryder and Canelo when they fought Callum Smith. Ryder lost by a UD while the latter won via UD, so that makes some clarification about the disparity of their strengths.

And I would like to add that Canelo is still at the height of his career and prime, so I'm thinking that Ryder will just be a mere tune-up fight in Cinco de Mayo.

Nothing compared though when Julio Cezar Chavez fought at Estadio Azteca against Greg Haugen, a record 136,274 fans attended. And so for Canelo to fill that stadium in Mexico is already huge and yes, it will show his drawing power as he wanted to stage his fight in Mexico for many years. We don't know if we are going to believed him, but he says that he opted to fight in Mexico for lesser money and against Ryder.

For Ryder, he has been in a 3-4 fight winning streak and has been rated and has held the WBO interim super middleweight title in which Canelo is the regular champion. So we can justify that he indeed deserved a crack at Canelo. But definitely a huge underdog in this fight.

His team knows how to pick the right fighter for a tune fight this is understandable because Canelo is coming from surgery and he may not be 100% to properly condition him he needs a low-level fighter like Ryder good for Canelo and Ryder but not good for the boxing community I think the odds at 12:1 underdog against Alvarez is far fetched guy is coming from good wins while Canelo from surgery, the guy still has a good chance, what a huge and record if Ryder can pull an upset who knows.

Just a good payday though and nothing else more than that, I suppose.

And since Ryder doesn't have any good names on his record, that means his chances are actually slimmer even if he is just on par with Canelo in-terms of height and reach. But when it comes down to the IQ level and strengths, especially the KO ratio? Canelo is just on another level and I seriously don't think that he will slack on this one as he still wanted Bivol's head next.

But for sure this shouldn't be a disadvantage for Canelo. His management wouldn't want to end the career of their fighter for letting him fight in a bad condition. And I agree, Ryder could be more eager with this fight as it will give him a spotlight for future opportunities. I would still be betting with canelo this time simply because knowing him in the ring, he wouldn't allow things to just slip. John ryder is a good fighter as well especially with his previous fight but the stats itself could determine the winner of the fight even if anything could possibly happen in the ring. It is just experience to do its own thing with this one. Canelo is having an good run and that could be a drive for him to not let go of this.

Is anyone surprised Canelo is still only 32 years old? For some reason I thought he was older, having had so many big high profile fights over so many years.

It is interesting that Canelo vs Ryder is slated for mexico rather than las vegas, which has long been billed as the "fight capital of the world".

Will this become a trend where many professional athletes will try to hold events outside of the united states, for whatever reason.

While I think the majority of us would like to see Canelo fighting a more challenging opponent, this is simply not possible, he is just recovering from a surgery and he needs to get back in boxing shape before he fights against a more challenging opponents, besides this was also a good opportunity for Canelo to bring a fight to his hometown, and it is obvious he was not going to bring anyone that could challenge him and risk losing at his home.

Well, not really. It's just that we feel he's old enough because we keep on hearing his name and certainly that is also connected to a big fights in the past years and then that three fights against GGG really gave us an impression that their age is not that far but in reality, GGG was just way ahead compared Canelo.

That said, Canelo still have at least 5-7 years of his prime to reign as a champion and be viewed as a dangerous boxer in the industry. So, I guess that also means that we will still see some more fights of Canelo in the coming years considering that there's many boxer that is calling him and that will grow in numbers as he gets older.

I don't think that is the case, they are just saying that because Canelo is now fighting an almost unknown name for which will give them less profits than what they are used to when Canelo is fighting in US soil and I haven't even knew that Ryder is the interim champ if I haven't searched his name and what are his recent fights. I don't know if this is the first but this is my first time seeing an interim champ being labeled as tune-up fight for the regular champion, that's just underestimating Ryder IMO.

The moment this was announced, lots of boxing critics on social media said that it was a clear cherry-picking for Canelo.

What do you think guys? Who should be Canelo fighting instead of John Ryder?

I think the rematch with Bivol does have prerequisites and it's something that can be materialized that easily. Moving forward though, this was all set and Canelo should be considered as HEAVY favorite, not just a simple favorite.

Yes, a rematch with Bivol should be next for Canelo, and everyone was caught off guard with Ryder although his name keeps popping up when you ask Hearn about what's next for Canelo.

It was cherry pick because Canelo is coming off from his hand injury. But it's going to be pity to see Ryder maybe getting knockout by Canelo in the late rounds. But the real winners here will be his fans as this will be in his country, Mexico.

Yes and he could really started very early but we only get a glimpse of Canelo when Oscar pitted him against Floyd Mayweather. And then we see how Canelo developed after that to become the next cash cow in boxing.

So there's a lot of time ahead of him, although he has hand injuries, and it could be broken again. But still he is still at the prime years and even says that he  can fight 3 times a year.

I don't see how John Ryder would possibly upset Canelo. I'm interested at how the Ryder team would set a game plan that would deal Canelo an unexpected loss. Although this is a huge opportunity for their fighter, they will surely be challenged at the odds in front of them. They've got nothing to lose, yeah, but winning is just too big to simply disregard.

So far, the odds I've seen has Canelo at -1450 and John at +770. That's practically saying John doesn't stand a chance. To be honest, I'm seeing a KO victory for Canelo, but I'd be happy if John would give everybody a shock.

I think is really hard for him to take a second fight against Bivol since it was not been that long since they fought and to have another tune-up fight after he fought with GGG is a good move if he wanted to take on Bivol next.


It will be an easy fight for him and he chooses John Ryder because he will fight in his country and he wants to show off to his people and wanted to give them the best fight they can expect from him without putting huge risks on his titles.

Of course, it's a cherry-picked fight because Canelo just got his wrist fixed as he underwent a surgery just recently. His camp needs to make sure that he is ready as well as his wrist before fighting with the likes of Bivol or the winner of Benavidez-Plant fight, Ryder has been picked because aside from that fact that he is an interim champion of one of Canelo's belt, Ryder is not on par with Canelo Alvarez's prowess.

As some would say, this is a tune-up fight so somehow, it is already expected that Canelo's foe won't be that strong to try and get his belts.

It might be sad to say but John Ryder's sole reason why he is picked for this specific fight is to keep Canelo warmed up before fighting Bivol in their possible rematch and not to challenge Canelo or be an acid test if he can still dance on the ring. John Ryder's record is enough to consider that he's not that good.

All great fighters in the past and the present and even in the future will have fights like this where people will consider it as a tune fight or a cherry-picked fight, some great fighters overcome this easily while others fall to this via upset, the prominent in the heavyweight is Tyson, Joshua and even Ali, it's part of being a great and exceptional fighter.
You get low-level fighters because it was ordered or because of circumstances like upsetting your would-be opponent or a last-minute replacement, it's a test for great fighters on how they treat low-level fighters and fighters that are equal to their skill and strength.

Cinco de Mayo is May 5th. Not 6th. Tradition broken. :-\


Not going to add a poll, OP?

Regardless, I would say that Canelo Alvarez is going to be the favorite here. Especially if you look at all the losses under John Ryders belt, 32 wins and 5 losses compared to Alvarez's 58 wins and only 2 losses. Although Alvarez has been showing weakness, especially against the opponents in his recent fights. His Dmitry Bivol match did not go so well and Canelo's hand surgery is making me feel a bit uneasy.

Still, John is the obvious underdog here and my money is not on him.

This should be a really good fight, I am expecting Canelo to win this though.

Has anybody seen any early fight odds, please post any crypto bookie odds here if and when you see them.

So this is a tune-up fight for Canelo, no wonder he is facing a much less popular boxer and not that heavy hitter.  Though I can tell that Ryder is a durable fighter since he only lost once via stoppage.  This fight might not be as exciting as Canelo's earlier fight but it is good to see Canelo fighting in the ring again after his surgery.  I thought it would take longer before he will dance in the ring again but surprisingly he got a match already.


It might be a good fight but I think it isn't that exciting to watch due to the opponent's records of 5 losses where 1 of 4 is via stoppage. ;D.

No odds yet for this fight from our crypto bookies, so maybe the handicappers are still trying to get the odds. But I reckon and as others speculation that Canelo will be the huge favorite here.

And it might be the first time after many fights though that Canelo opponents doesn't have any physical advantage against him. Ryder is not going to be taller than him and the reach are almost the fight. And we all know that Canelo are used to fighting tall boxers and then completely destroys them in about 10 rounds. So Ryder might not go to distance against him.

It will be another advantage for Canelo despite his previous injury. I agree that he'll be the favorite here no wonder because he always shows aggressiveness in the ring. His fast punches are also admirable despite facing taller and bigger opponents. Strength is really more important than the physical edge when it comes to the ring. Canelo only needs to make sure that his surgery will not affect the fight.

@mirakal - yes we can look it that way, but maybe it's the fault of the governing body that they have a interim champion that we didn't know and probably it's because Canelo is the cash cow and wanted more name fighters and thinks that Ryder doesn't deserved it. But Canelo doesn't have a choice now, he is coming from an injury and this is the right time to give Ryder his chance, beat him and remove that interim title for him.

@goldkingcoiner - Cinco de Mayo is a big holiday celebrated by the Mexicans, and in boxing, it is usually a "fight week" for Mexicans like Oscar Dela Hoya and now Canelo Alvarez, but it doesn't mean that the date of the fight itself is exactly held in May 5th, just saying.

And that is the thing, we don't know if his hands are going to be fully healthy, or if he will suffer another injury as we all know that hands are very brittle and once it has history of injuries, it might come back to haunt him later in his career.

Most likely this is the same reason why they take Ryder, in paper it seems to be legit, as he is has earn his place against Canelo.

But we all know that Eddie Hearn has cherry pick another British fighter for Canelo to beat.

Without a doubt canelo alvarez will be the favorite here cause we all know how he perform in the ring how he knocking down his opponent and how he handle the fight. And also the aggressiveness of Canelo is his best weapon in any fight. But the sad part here is that canelo has an injury before and this will be the disadvantage for him because when he reach beyond the limits theirs a chance that the injury will occurs .

I guess we can say that Oscar Dela Hoya did really pitted the young Canelo who was still 23 years old at that time against the prime Floyd Mayweather Jr. just because Oscar believed that his cashcow will be the one who will stain Floyd's record. But that certain defeat indeed molded Canelo to be much a clever boxer inside the ring and did took the Philly Shell personally as he invented an intelligent way how to counter it afterwards because that was the reason why he lost most of the rounds.

I also believe that it was the only time that Canelo had his chance to fight Mayweather because if Canelo was already a heavy name at that time, the latter might've ducked him and we cannot witness that certain fight.

He is a $1.10 favourite on all Australian sportsbooks so assume it'll be the same with Crypto ones too.

crypto bookie odds:   Canelo Alvarez: 1.10          John Ryder: 7

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Other sportsbooks: Canelo Alvarez: 1.071          John Ryder: 8

https://i.imgur.com/J4pUD94.jpg

I guess that is somehow expected that Canelo will be a heavy-favorite to all the bookies considering that John Ryder is not that kind of boxer who is viewed as a threat to Canelo's belts and undisputed title. Even the people who are an avid fans of the boxing industry are not that swayed about this Ryder even if he holds the WBO interim belt and that he can give an upset to the undisputed champion given that Canelo just got his wrist fixed recently.

Anyway, for those who are not familiar about John Ryder, you can see his record here.
https://boxrec.com/en/box-pro/545557

We know that Floyd cared a lot about his undefeated record so he would never get into the ring and fight unless he was completely sure he could get the win, I am sure that when Canelo was presented with the possibility of fighting Floyd he knew this as well, so if he decided to wait and develop, by the time he was ready he knew Floyd will duck him, so he took his chances, he lost but we can tell that he learned a lot from the fight and eventually this allowed him to dominate his division.

We know that Floyd cared a lot about his undefeated record so he would never get into the ring and fight unless he was completely sure he could get the win, I am sure that when Canelo was presented with the possibility of fighting Floyd he knew this as well, so if he decided to wait and develop, by the time he was ready he knew Floyd will duck him, so he took his chances, he lost but we can tell that he learned a lot from the fight and eventually this allowed him to dominate his division.
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Floyd was one of the best I've ever seen but he ducked a lot of fighters. I remember he ducked Margarito like the plague and admitted it.

Floyd was one of the best I've ever seen but he ducked a lot of fighters. I remember he ducked Margarito like the plague and admitted it.
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Well. that is the strategy to preserve his career and make his worth in boxing industry higher than lots of legendary fighters out there.  I think Mayweather had foreseen that having unblemished records will rake him lots of money in the future.  Sadly when he fought Canelo, Canelo isn't ready to take him.  I also agree that if ever Canelo didn't take the fight and wait for 5 years to be on his prime, Mayweather would have done everything he can to duck the fight.

More often than not it seems like the sanctioning bodies will mandate whichever fighter is handpicked by the champion's promoter. We saw this with Keith Thurman being named Errol Spence's mandatory even though he wasn't the most deserving fighter. Ryder doesn't deserve to fight for the undisputed title but he is with Matchroom, who is Canelo's preferred promoter, so the WBC will just go along with whatever is most beneficial for Eddie Hearn.

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Yeah, I will agree with your observation, it's now that this boxing promotion is under the promotions and network affiliations. Initially you will think that they have the control, mandating all this fight and what not. But if you look at it, like in this case, Ryder was hand pick because it's going to be an easy fight for Canelo. Matchroom and Hearn are looking for a boxer that will not be a threat to Canelo as he is coming back from his injuries and Ryder is a perfect fit for that. And the organization can justify that he is their number 1 seeding or whatever, or he is on a 4 fight winning streak. But we all know that Canelo can choice any fighter that he wants. And again, to put some reasons behind, Canelo said that he is not after the money, but wanted to fight in his native country, Mexico. So in any case, all in house money for Eddie Hearn and Canelo proving himself as cash cow if he can sell out one of the biggest venue in Mexico. You can't ask for a better set up that than.  ;D

Yes, just a tune-up fight but I am still expecting to see a good fight here and would not be surprise if Canelo will definite give his opponent another crucial fight as seen with his devastating body punching. It’s certain that most people will root for Canelo to be the favorite here, but I just hope that John Ryder will also give justice to the fight as he is never an ordinary boxer too seeing his quite impressive boxing record.

In the long run, Floyd Mayweather Jr. is indeed right in his vision because up until now even if he's already retired in pro-scene, he's still making and racking a huge amount of money with a guaranteed 7 to 8 figures per fight because he's still hot in the exhibition scene right now. It may not attract a lot of audience it terms of worldwide market but the fact is still the same, he's been always the Money Mayweather.

Anyway, back to the fight, is the odds available already? I'm thinking that this John Ryder will be 5:1 heavy underdog.

And here are the odds now, as per Stake:

https://i.imgur.com/qniGBSf.png

As we all expected, Ryder is 8:1 underdog, and even David Benavidez says that this is just a tune up for Canelo. And with that, no value in betting for ML here on Canelo, but if you love the underdog Ryder, then it's already a very mouth watering odds, hehehe, but the risk is very high. This is Canelo's best weight, and will be fighting in what could be the biggest live audience in the last 5-10 years because it's going to be held in Mexico. So just imagine the magnitude if he is going to lose this fight. So he will do his best to maybe end this fight quickly. I reckon the line for the Over and Under will be 7.5 rounds, let's see how bookies are going to list it.

Not even thinking that the fight will end up in a big upset the same as what Bivol did during Canelo's peak. John Ryder isn't even close to the possibility of doing that. Although Ryder is currently in the top rankings and is eligible to be a contender, others viewed him as not capable and credible to be Canelo's opponent.

We should be supposed to see instead, Benavidez or Bivol facing Canelo but I think politics again ruined the deal.

Although, at some point in the future, we will surely expect to see these anticipated fights being materialized.

Canelo Alvarez
Different sites offer different odds some one provide 1.10 some one 1.7 and on Sportsbet.io 1.06

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Why bookies think that John Ryder is such an underdog and give so low odds? Because of Canelos fame and record and Ryders unconvincing victories in last fights ? Or because middleweight division was already cleared by Canelo and there are no more fighters left, so he makes this cherry pick fight, specially to perform in his homeland?

I find it really hard to comment on Canelos fights. He has became boring for me. His fights have predictable outcomes (when he fights in his weight division). It is boring to watch his performance in middleweight; hard to follow his career when he does not aim to move to other divisions.

You're already answered your own questions :P

Since you've think the outcome is already predictable, that's why John Ryder odds is really so low. Canelo was previously move to light heavyweight and fight with Bivol, but the result isn't expected by him since he was lose on that's fight.

It seems he's fear to rematch with Bivol, so he's either waiting someone beat Bivol or he want to warm up first.

I just understand why people would watch it, buy tickets or PPV, when it is clear that 99.99% Canelo would win that fight. Neither it is possible to earn here for gamblers. 1.06-1.10 odds is like nothing. I mean you bet 100 bucks and win a beer... Who would sigh for that :D

As to Bivol, I cant say that Canelo is afraid. I would say that both Bivol and Canelo are not interested in that fight. Canelo has tested himself in lightheavyweight. Bivol earned money. Everyone got what they wanted. Also, I doubt that Bivol would accept that fight. I think he is about to meet Beterbiev, and Canelo has nothing new to show as a lightheavyweight.

It’s upset for certain people and not welcome one for some people.John Ryder game was good player,Ryder was in the top ranking of the game.Canelo game was good for now,if he fight with the Ryder.This will be the thought fight for sure.Benavidez game was definitely different one,as compared to current situation.It was predicted one Benavidez will face the Canelo in the upcoming matches.If the Canelo had the chances to face the Bivol in the game,he will prove his full stuff in the game.So Canelo will lead the match to next level of competition.


Canelos game was accepted one from all age groups of people.He had all age group as a fan,So most of the people will have the positive comments towards the Canelos as compared to the Ryder or Benavidez and Bivol,even the Bivol game was most impressive in the league.Most of the people forget about the legend Bivol in the previous matches and his knockout games in the past years.The past matches should be considered for the new matches decision.

This is just a tune up fight for Canelo, so they have to get someone who at least good in paper like Ryder. Canelo is so good in this division that he is the king of MW for many years now, and Ryder might be another British boxer that he is going to defeat.

He did aim though to move to other divisions right? During the WBC convention like a couple of years ago, he said that he will be fighting the champion in CW in Makabu and the WBC approved it. But that fight didn't push through and instead target the light heavyweight, Bivol. Surprisingly, it was a upset win by Bivol as Canelo might have bite off more than he can chew. Now he goes back to his comfort zone in Middleweight and fight Ryder in his own backyard.

Long story short - this is going to be a useless fight for Canelo, that only his fans would watch. Real boxing fans are not much interested in this fight, as they expect nothing outstanding from it. Expect pressure from Canelo and a TKO in round 4-6. That is it.

Canelo has put himself into a trap, that he is so good, and others are so bad that he must move to other division to attract people to his fight so that he could earn. That is really bad, because ticket and PPV sales would decrease, but Canelo would expect same or even bigger cheques.

Canelo wanted to see how big his fight will be in Mexico, and a win win for him for sure as it will solidify his status and maybe now there is a debate for him as the greatest Mexican fighter if he can fill up that stadium.


He has been the cash cow already though, so money will be in the table for him.

I think in this fight, it will be a huge sell for fans.

I don't think it will be a useless fight, yes it's a cherry-picked fight but the boxing community will still be interested but not to the point, of buying high prices for ringside or PPV, the media will watch and follow the development, and the actual fight if you're an undisputed champion and on a ring magazine people will still be interested to follow your career.
Who knows Ryder can offer something and give Canelo a tough fight, boxing fans want action regardless of who's fighting. and boxing fans will watch boxing as long as it's popular boxers regardless of who they are fighting.

Then I will ask a bit differently, if there will be two huge boxing fights running simultaneously or Canelo vs Ryder fight will be running parallel the sports/team you are fan of, will you rather watch Canelo vs Ryder fight or other sports event? Personally, I would watch something other, and next day morning just google for result.

Or lets discuss what this fight will give Canelo despite even more money? He wont be getting any new belt, he wont advance in the rating, a victory over Ryder wont open a gate for a new opponent. Imho this fight is only needed for him to perform in Mexico and be 1000% sure to win. That is it. Easy and useless fight.

I'm both a Canerlo and a boxing fan I want to see good boxing, remember the Ruiz - Joshua fight, it looks like a cherry-picked fight but it turn out not to be and turn out to be a great boxing match if boxing fans just shrug off this fight and call it another guaranteed win for Joshua then they've just missed a very good fight, how about the Tyson - Douglas fight it looks like a walk in a park but boxing fans still watch it so they are treated for the biggest upset, we boxing fans loves good boxing so boxing fans will watch it because they love good and high-level
boxing, this could be a walk in the park for Canelo but we will still see good boxing and that's a good reason to watch it.

I think it will be a good fight as we all know that both higher are good in terms of fighting as we saw their previous fights it's look like we can see a very close fight and even though some user are favored Canelo alvarez cause without a doubt canelo is a strong fighter and have a very good fighting skills that he can adjust his techniques in order to win the fight. But for sure John ryder will be fight and prove to us that he can beat canelo.

Users as well as bettors are favoring Canelo because based on speculations, Canelo got more facts and already proved what he can do inside the ring while for John Ryder, he is still on the process of making his own name and carved it in the industry. This will be his biggest opportunity because he is fighting to be a champion and will acquire all four belts of Canelo, but before that, he should prove himself that he's worthy. People would want to see this Ryder perform and that includes me, he's an interim champion, so I expect a good fight from him.

Yes and that is already expected especially on the side of gambling, bettors will always tend to side with the boxer who got more chances to win a fight despite its low odds than to risk their funds to bet on a risky bet with low chances just because they are after of the high paying money line. But, there are some instances that the underdog is worth betting for but I think this is not that instance, although an upset might happen but talking about that chances, it's just less than slim.

He better prepares himself as he has  never done during his life as he is going to have everything against him during his fight against Canelo, and if he wants to get the win he will need to KO Canelo, but this is going to be extremely difficult and even if Canelo is coming off an injury I still think he has what it is necessary to get the win against Ryder without too much of a problem and then set a rematch against Bivol.

Doesn't need to be a KO, what John Ryder needs is to have most scores in his favor in almost every round where the judges might want to help Canelo but their hands are tied because people knows who's the winner, just like what Bivol did to Canelo as he didn't KOd Canelo but he proved that won most of those rounds. I think there's a chance, although, that's very likely because of the fact that this is just a tune-up fight.

I agree, Ryder doesn't need to knockout Canelo in-order to make a statement, in plain point, he just have to defeat the undisputed champion regardless of what way it would be. But the thing is, I don't think Canelo will just agree with that one because he is also looking to fight the guy who gave him a second defeat in his career and then there's another opponent that he needs to fight (the winner of Plant-Benavidez fight), that means that Canelo will have to step on John Ryder.

I agree, defeating Alvarez will be a huge accomplishment for Ryder.  He doesn't need to win via KO just a plain winning, may it be a split decision or majority decision is enough to boost the career of Ryder.  But of course, if Ryder won via KO that will not only make a statement but an exclamation and make a huge uproar of his career.

Obviously Canelo will not just let that thing to happen.  He has a career to protect and a title to defend.  Canelo will also do his best to beat his opponent so I think this fight will be more interesting though I guess it will be more on lopsided having Canelo the advantage.

Take note mate, when fighting Canelo Alvarez, don't expect that scorecard will be favored his opponent unless a clear win per round is really shown like what happened when Canelo fights Dmitry Bivol where the latter clearly won most rounds as judges won't be able to even attempt to make some cheating where Bivol is really the clear winner on those rounds.

A split decision in favor of Ryder is absolutely impossible to happen, believed me. The only sequence that will make Ryder a winner is, if he will have the same performance as Bivol did against Canelo, or if Ryder will find a way to Knock Out Canelo. No other way.

And that's where corruption or least biased judging from the judges comes in. Canelo is the cash cow of boxing so they don't want him to lose, simply as that. Even in the GGG fight, in the first fight, clearly it was GGG that should have won that, but there was one judges who score it 118-110? what the hell is that scoring if not maybe the judges is in the payroll?

Anyhow, we know that Ryder chances are very slim, unless he really won via KO which is impossible to happen as Canelo also had a granite chin.

I also think this way, I know that technically Ryder could try to win and defeat Canelo just as Bivol did, however the difference is that this fight is going to happen at Mexico and we know that in the past judges have helped Canelo, and the example you bring forward is very clear about this, so I think this is going to be even worse as he is fighting at his country and I really think the only way for Ryder to win is by delivering a KO to Canelo.

The Mexico match was the long waited match for the Canelo fans,they had some good Spirit for the Canelo as compared to the Ryder.But as we know Ryder is experienced player with huge number of matches in the past history.Bivol already beat the Canelo in the league,So Canelo try to discontinue his fight against Ryder.But as we know Ryder was experienced player compared to the Canelo,the game will be favourable to Ryder in the Mexico.

Ryder game was unique one compared to Bivol an Canelo.Ryder has huge support among the betting gambling player as compared to Bivol and Canelo.But with the Fortunes to Bivol against Canelo and Canelo had huge responsibility towards the game to prove his strength to his supporters.Canelo is not the potential less player,may be as compared to Ryder his strength will be low.Because Ryder experience dominates the rest of the two players in the list.

Ryder was expected player to get the best results of this three list.Ryder had a chance to win the matches by declaring Knockout against the Canelo in the upcoming match.Some people still supporting the Canelo on the upcoming Mexico match which going to occur in May month of this year.Ryder also waiting to prove his game against the Canelo and Bivol for current situation.

What do you mean that he had a huge support from the betting public? Smart money will not go to John Ryder, he is not known to casual fans and to US betting public which I think the biggest supporter of Canelo. Yeah, maybe in UK he will have some support from bettors, but it will not be enough to offset to make the odds even close.

Ryder doesn't have the experience either, and some of the best fighters in his resume, Canelo already beat them.

Yes, Ryder has a chance to win, everybody does against Canelo, but I think it will be slim as he doesn't have the tools like Bivol has.

I also think that majority of bettor will choose Canelo, I also don't think that many known Ryder besides looking at Ryder's record, I do not feel comfortable betting on him.  I also think that he does not have the materials needed to beat Alvarez. 


I think Ryder does have the experience but those experience are not enough to cover the lack of ability in beating Alvarez.  So I think this fight will be an easy fight for Alvarez because he has fought many boxers that is better than Ryder and beat them all.

Perhaps he will bet on Ryder, we don't know. But for those who have been following Canelo's career, obviously he will be the smart bet here, but not ML. We should look for value for our money in this fight.  We can't count Ryder out, he has a chance, but it's very small. So if we know that his chances are not so good, then it will be just a waste of money to bet on him. And if we talk about Ryder experience, let's look at his resume, he lost to Callum Smith, which Canelo  beat and took Smith WBA and WBC super middleweight belt. Ryder also lost to Rocky Fielding, which Canelo destroyed in Fielding in 3 rounds with four knockdown/knockout. And so we can say that they are not on the same level as far as skills and even in experience.

Yeah, I think the chance for Canelo to win via decision is higher than Canelo to win via knockout since Ryder get knocked out was on 2015, it's already 2023 so he must be have train his body. When Canelo fight with a quite good boxers, he can via KO at late round e.g. 11th round, so it just depends on which odds is higher, either Canelo win via decision or Canelo to win at 10-12 round.

I agree, there's a good chance that this fight will end by a way of decision in-favor of Canelo Alvarez considering that Canelo is still observing his wrist after it got repaired. We can say that it's not yet at its full power as his camp are still observing what would happen and its effect into Canelo, so yes, they won't be chasing for KO this time but if there's a chance, why not as that will end the fight much earlier and would favor them much.

Just too unfortunate for John Ryder, not underestimating but he's just there to be Canelo's testing ground. No offense to his fans, just a pure thought though.

Few more weeks to go and we will see Canelo Alvarez again fighting and defending his throne in the ring after the surgery which made him rest for a few couple of months.

Despite the fact that many people believed that John Ryder isn't as good as Canelo's recent opponents, I do think that he will be a good test for Canelo's wrist if it's indeed working perfectly fine after he got it fixed.

And regarding John Ryder, he said that this might be his last fight.

https://www.boxingnews24.com/2023/04/john-ryder-might-retire-if-loses-to-canelo-alvarez/

He knows it, this will be his last ticket and probably his biggest payday before he retires. So we can say that he is very lucky to be given this chance by Eddie Hearns before he exit.

Any boxer though will be real test for Canelo's wrist, even if sparring or in the body bag, he will have the feel whether it is 100% pain free now or not. But most likely it has healed already and Canelo ready to give his fans in Mexico a good fight against Ryder. Hopefully Ryder too will give his best and not just take a dive in this fight.

Nah mate, sparring or punching a body bag isn't the same as having a proper official fight. We won't be calling it as a sparring fight if that is the same as a real fight where you're records are at stake and where you have a legit opponent because in sparring, everything has a limit and it's up to the coach if he will call it a day or not. But in the fight, there's no such thing as that because the boxer will be fighting until he win or gets defeated.

About John Ryder, perhaps this is indeed his last fight before he hangs his gloves and I agree that this fight is a good exit for him as aside from the honor of fighting the likes of Canelo, he will also have a good payday because it will be a sold out fight for sure especially because this fight will happen in Mexico.

It's logical to think that he can't really do that because Canelo is at another level compared to him and the only problem with Canelo is when he slacks and does not get serious just because his opponent seems a nobody compared to him and that will rise a problem against him because this guy is no doubt has been practicing a lot just to prove himself and take that chance to elevate his popularity overnight just like Bivol and Canelo should not underestimate him if he wants to keep his current glory active because John is also a power puncher and the chance to knock him out is still there.

It is early to say that John Ryder can't touch Canelo.  If John Ryder is able to resist the strong punches of Canelo, then what @Japinat stated is possible.  So if John Ryder wanted to win against Canelo, he should KO Canelo (this is the most convincing way) if not then he needs to be:

• tough to withstand strong punches from Canelo and box with him all throughout the rounds
• he should make clear that he throw and landed more punches than Canelo
• if he can't knock out Canelo, he should try to outsmart and outbox him.

If John Ryder failed to make a convincing performance and the fight is close, he might lose the match even if he is leading due to the "judge favorite" factor.

John Ryder should able to utilize the advantage he got because he have the height and reach advantage which should be enough to outbox Canelo if he can't knock him out. Apart from that, withstanding and weathering those punches from the champion would be a big help for Ryder to maintain his scores. To think, John Ryder is somehow lucky because he got a good 4K clip from the Canelo vs Bivol fight which should give him some points to consider on how to outsmart Canelo and second, Canelo came from a surgery which is possibly a good thing on his side.

Canelo's height is 5 ft 8+1⁄2 in while Ryder's height is 5 ft 9 in, Canelo reach is 70+1⁄2 in while Ryder's height is 72 in, that's not a big difference. It's really depends on Ryder's strategy in the ring, he need to able to receive all damage using his shoulder and being aggressive. That's what most boxers can't do it because Canelo's punch is strong and hurt too, but Bivol physical appearance and body are more stronger.

Ryder were struggling when he fought a boxer which previously has been defeated by Canelo, so that's not make me convinced to see Ryder pull an upset.

Either way, that is still an advantage and I do agree that John Ryder should make use of what he got because even the slightest difference can still be a big help for someone like Ryder who is named as a heavy underdog in this fight. If he wanted to win this fight to give himself a good opportunity in the future, he should be smart enough to use whatever he got.

Anyway, that shoulder roll will not help Ryder in his case because Canelo already figured out a way how to counter it as he learned that lesson expensively as that specific style gave him his first defeat from the famous boxer who mastered the shoulder roll or known as the Philly Shell, Floyd Mayweather Jr.

With my concern John Ryder had the huge opportunity to win the game, but if they play without seriousness. We can’t assure anything towards the game of win. To make some good results, Ryder should consider the weak opponent as the strong opponent. It’s essential one to consider the opponent as stronger one to us. Because by the move our brain will work faster and Ryder may win the Match with K.O in a short period of time. When you think about the Canelo,his game was good for now. But his game was not that much good like Ryder. If the Canelo had planned the new strategy against the Ryder may be the match may change to other form. We can expect the new result that favour Canelo. Some people have their prayers for the Canelo as compared to the John Ryder.

No Surprise here this is another picked fight for Canelo Alvarez for sure, but even though this is a cherry-picked fight for Canelo Alvarez this is a great opportunity for John Ryder to prove himself even further because even if he didn't win this fight but he has shown great performance and make this fight a gruesome one for Canelo Alvarez I really think that will favor many viewers for him and as we all know that Alvarez is near his hanging of the gloves but this is surely for Canelo Alvarez to tuned himself or this match will serve as another sparring partner for him,

But we can not say for sure as what we have seen in the recent fight for Zhilei Zhang vs Joe Joyce it was a cherry-picked fight for Joyce and it really bite them back harder than Concreate, it was really an upset for Joyce and could be a potential downhill for his career, now underestimating an opponent is surely not a good move and for this Alvarez vs Ryder fight it could happen again but let's just way this will be fewer days for it to start so for me let's just enjoy it,

Ryder is full of confidence going into this fight, and he said that Canelo and his camp shouldn't sleep on him. As we or maybe him included has been hearing about Canelo rematching Bivol or even inserting David Benadivez name in the mix.

As if they are overlooking him in this fight and that he will just be another name in Canelo's resume.

So we shall see how tough Ryder is. Because amongst the British fighter that Canelo fought, no one last the full distance.

Not sure if Canelo Alvarez's retirement is already that near not unless he will finish all the fights queued for him especially his rematch against Bivol because he's still enjoying his career and he is still young enough to start considering when to hang up his gloves as he is still 32 years old. But for John Ryder, this is a good opportunity for him to showcase his skills and he should take advantage of this because not everyone has the chance to fight Canelo Alvarez. If it weren't because of his injury, Ryder will not have this chance, so at least he should make this fight interesting enough if he cannot really defeat the current undisputed champion.

He should be, this is going to be his biggest fight to date, no offense to him, but majority of us haven't heard of this name, until Eddie Hearn mentioned him that a possible fight between him and Canelo.

And it become true so he will have a tougher fight ahead of him, but if you look at the amount of money he will be getting here, I guess that's already a win win for him. Hopefully, he will show up in this fight and not just trying to go and not win. On the other hand, again, as what we have been saying, this might be a cherry pick for Canelo in preparation for a bigger fight in the future, a rematch with Bivol.

Not sure if he is hinting on retirement, but if that hand injury will bother him or if it is broken again, maybe he might slow down a bit in the next coming years. But he still has a unfinished business with Bivol, everyone wanted a rematch whether 168 lbs or 175 lbs.

Or even fight younger fighters like David Benavidez and not hide on the reason that he doesn't want to face another Mexican.

So we might not see him retiring very soon, maybe a lot of fight still in Canelo and still looking to accomplished more.

As is all the case in championship bouts, the challenger should take away the crown from the champion, and the challenger should be the aggressor and should be aggressive if Ryder cannot put out an outstanding performance and the fight becomes close the champion keeps the crown through a split decision or draw, I agree that he needs a knock out to win the crown, it's hard to beat Canelo in a very close fight because he is a very good finisher, he is a slow starter but always manage to take over the late rounds.

Apart from that, if the fight is very close, it's clear enough just like what happened in the past that Canelo will get some help from the judges so that he can keep his title and belts. So Ryder should be wise enough and careful on this fight because Canelo can still throw a deadly punch that will send him directly to retirement as Ryder is already hinting that this will be his last fight if he can't have any positive outcome. Being the aggressor will help but he should be careful as he's the one who might catch a surprise.

Not that much difference are far as their physical comparison is, on the other hand we might see the Canelo might still be the stronger puncher between the two despite his hand injuries, I think Canelo still possesses those dangerous body punch that bring his opponent down.

Although triangle theory doesn't work on boxing, but we can see the Ryder's previous opponents wherein he had a hard time, Canelo just bust them up easily. That is a strong indication that Canelo and Ryder are not on the same level, IMHO. And it's hard to see what tools Ryder has to upset Canelo in this fight at his own home soil.

Well, yes, that's without a doubt true because the difference of their power is really huge and no matter how we groom John Ryder in this fight, Canelo is really in a different league/level. Ryder just got this chance for a sole reason and that is to test Canelo's wrist while also minimizing the risk of a defeat because Canelo is still risking all four belts in this fight. In other words, Ryder is just a mere boxer in near retirement phase picked to tune-up Canelo.

I almost forgot about Canelo Alvarez's tune-up fight versus John Ryder, and to think, this bout already around the corner.
1 week to go folks and we can witness Canelo fighting again, and probably we will have some answers afterwards whether if he will fight Bivol first or Benavidez.

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CANELO VS. RYDER: FULL FIGHT CARD

Saul 'Canelo' Alvarez vs. John Ryder
Julio Cesar Martinez vs. Ronal Batista
Gabriel Gollaz Valenzuela vs. Steve Spark
Nathan Devon Rodriguez vs. Alexander Mejia
Oleksandr Gvozdyk vs. Ricards Bolotniks
Bek Nurmaganbet vs. Argenis Espana;
Lawrence King vs. Elio German Rafael
Johansen Alvarez Suarez vs. Johan Rodriguez Arreguin
Abilkhan Amankul vs. Jesus Moroyoqui Palomares
Carlos Emiliano Rojo vs. Fabian Trejo Rivera
Jesus Larios vs. Alejandro Curiel

Date: Saturday, May 6
Time: 7:00 p.m. EDT / 12:00 a.m. BST (Sunday)
Main event ringwalks (approx): 11:00 p.m. EDT / 4:00 a.m. BST (Sunday)

Source (https://www.dazn.com/en-US/news/boxing/canelo-alvarez-vs-john-ryder-who-is-fighting-on-the-undercard-how-to-watch-the-full-show-on-dazn/18f2vpww6ca7j1prgxurbg250y)

Is it worth it, are we expecting something unexpected to happen, if I have the time I will watch it to see if Canelo is still good because if he wants to further move forward he should face Benavidez or do a rematch against Bivol now both fights are tougher so I'd like to see if Canelo still has it or become better after his last fight against Golovkin.
For a fighter like Canelo who has a good status in the boxing world, he should stop cherry-picking fights and always go for the challenging fights, if he still wants to be on top of the Ring Magazine.

Since John Ryder has the physical advantage then he should also learn from Ryan Garcia and Davis fight.  He should learn from the error of Garcia of not utilizing his job and the reach advantage that can create a distance between him and his opponent.  John Ryder should also avoid unnecessary brawls and always check the distance so that he can always take advantage of his reach.

Well, if John Ryder does not impress the judges even though he is leading may lose the fight.  So we might see Canelo getting an easy victory here due to the skill of Canelo and the judges' favoritism.

I think it's because we are still in the Tank Davis vs Ryan Garcia euphoria, I mean we are all hype about that fight and up to this day, there are a lot of discussions on that, like PPV buys and if Garcia take a dive and just give up.

Anyway, it's time for Canelo to take that away, this is his comeback fight and going to be in his backyard. No doubt that as what others think, cherry pick, tune up fight for Canelo. And they are looking for a Bivol match up and Canelo said it will be at 175 lbs and not his usual super middleweight comfort zone. The reasoning is that he fought and lost to Bivol at light heayweight and so that is the weight that they will rematch.

Again, those questions will likely be answered after the fight. It's still a mystery for us now how will Canelo perform in this bout because he just got out from the surgery where he repaired his wrist that he has been carrying for two fights, hence why he did a cherry picked fight in-order to tune him up before he fights Dmitry Bivol or David Benavidez next.

But if in-case Canelo and his camp will not achieve their expectations or will not be satisfied in Canelo's performance. I wont' be surprised if they will make another tune-up fight and probably that will be the start of Canelo's career to end because people will start saying that there's no future for him anymore in the industry and might be better if he will just retire rather than embarrass himself to another loss.

Lol, all that Canelo needs to do is show up in the ring and he already wins?

But you've got a point there mate, if this fight will turn out to be a close one, the ref will always raise Canelo's victorious hands as he should not lose in front of his crowd. I've been following Canelo's fight and this dude was never over-confident going into one and he always trains hard whoever opponent thrown in front of him, one of the best attribute a boxer of his caliber must have.

I think this would not last nine rounds, so under 9.5 @1.73 might be the one i will be betting.

Another choice of worthy bet is the round range

https://i.ibb.co/CQB60d5/Canelovsryder.png

Maybe Canelo & 7-9 or Canelo & 10-12 could be a good bet, I don't really expect a quick KO by Canelo, maybe it will give a good fight like when Canelo was fight against Caleb Plant.

I think if Ryder able to pull an upset against Canelo, he will not win via KO, but he can only win via decision. If someone think Ryder can win in this fight, maybe just bet Ryder & 10-12 since the odds is really high.

^^ Yes, probably Canelo wanting to give his fans what they want to see here, if Canelo felt that it is going to be an easy fight for him, then probably will have to extend the fight in the middle to 10 rounds and soften up Ryder and then toy with him. And maybe he will really test his hands and wrist and see how it is going to be in his fight comeback fight. Usually the bone should be ok, but this is professional boxing, so anything they can broke their hands again because of the power they can generated when throwing it and hitting like the body and face of their opponents. I don't know how Ryder will upset though, unless he turns into a Bivol, with great footwork, better chin and has that volume punching in him.

There's no doubtn eye opener for the world of boxing, but I'm sure that many of the fans will be rooting for the fight to be a one-sided fight. 
 
I'm not sure if this will be the last fight of the year, but it's going to be a long time before we see the ringtone of the fight coming to an end. 
 
Let's hope that the fight will be a one-sided fight, and we'll see who will win the fight.

I don't see Ryder to have chance. This is one exhibition for Canelo's skill to show off, shameless way to add a win under his record while its like a Midget team vs NBA all star team.

It can't be that bad for Ryder as long as he get paid in this financial turmoil though. Times like this you need to KOed by Jake Paul to make money.

Of course, John Ryder wasn't cherry picked by Canelo's team to be there to defeat their cash cow. Ryder's sole reason why he is in this bout fighting with Canelo is because he will be the one who will keep latter warm before he proceeds to his rematch versus Bivol.

Besides, I don't think David Benavidez will get his much-wanted time this year because their only choice to make the bout happen is if Canelo will be due for another mandatory defense fight or if Canelo will approve it.

For John Ryder, the man is already on his retirement phase so this should be a good paycheck for him before he hangs up his gloves and leave the boxing industry for good.

Sportsbet.io 🥊 Canelo Alvarez vs. John Ryder 🥊 (Saturday, 6 May)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5450876.0

Lol. What an absurd comparison :D Why so evil ? :D Ryder cant be such trash.

I actually feel bad for John Ryder. Whole world does not believe in him. Imagine to go to fight with such a mood. I hope that this fight would end with UD decision, but not with a total declass by Canelo. Otherwise it slowly turns boring for me to watch Canelo fights, as in middleweight he is undefeated, but he isnt planning to go to other division for more challenge.

It's very humiliating to see a fight where the odds are:

Canelo Alvarez = @1.06
John Ryder = @8.80

I believe that even John Ryder, when he sees this odd, convinces himself that he has no chance of winning in this fight, with many people putting a lot of pressure on him, he can lose concentration, I heard that Canelo hasn't fought in Mexico since 2011 and Ryder is coming for this fight with some optimism because he had good results in the fights before this one, but this odds value is not good for ryder, being left-handed he can have punch angles that are very difficult for a fighter to defend himself, but Canelo Alvarez has the advantage of having good finishing skills, he has good speed

in general it is very difficult when bookmakers give odds of @1.06 to a fighter, and that fighter loses, at least in the few years that I have been in sports betting, there are few cases of games in which bookmakers give odds of @ 1.06 to a fighter and that fighter loses the fight, if it were odds of something like @1.22 and up I could say that John Ryder could still surprise and win this fight, but from what I see, I think it's very difficult to see any surprises in the result this fight, with this low odd I won't place a bet on this fight, maybe I will on the other fights that will happen, I saw the possibility of doing a multibet and placing all favorites that have an odd of @1.06 and it is also an option that I am considering

Surely being listed as a 8:1 heavy underdog will discourage your existence in the fight because how can you oppose those listed odds and make something out of it positively if the people and even the bookies are already seeing you as a boxer who has been defeated already even before the fight starts. But it depends on how will John Ryder view his situation and I believe this will be his reason to strive more and that he can still prove himself, instead of losing faith towards the fight.

Discourage or be motivated even more to prove to everyone that he is not a pushover but that's a hard thing to do, I mean beating a boxing superstar in this stage of John Ryder's career is a very hard thing to accomplish.

Odds in the bookies is exaggerated but that is how they profit as they don't want people betting on the favorites would win easy money because in boxing seldom we can see an upset not like in basketball where almost every day there are upsets.

This is getting exciting, hope that there will be live coverage come fight night (of course for free).

Yeah, as majority is saying, John Ryder is a mismatch against Canelo, his record though looks good in paper, but it doesn't mean that he can can go and fight and then upset Canelo at any version of Alvarez.

The only thing that bettors hope is that he can pull a upset, they might not be a Canelo hater or something, but gamblers are looking for good odds and then take the risk with even small amounts and then watch the fight.

Right, it is a mismatch ever since this fight has been made because this is just a tune-up fight for Canelo Alvarez and Ryder will just be a human measurement device to test Canelo's wrist whether if it is still needed some rest or if it's already good to go to fight another heavy name in the industry namely his rematch with Bivol. Either way, I cannot see John Ryder winning this fight, just like what the odds suggests.

Yes, you're right. John Ryder is not that young anymore to expect that he still have a good chance to upset the undisputed champion and reign the division that was once dominated by Canelo because in reality, unfortunately, his chances are just slim. In-fact, Ryder is 3 years older than Canelo and will become 35 years old this coming July which is already a phase where most of the boxers are starting to consider their retirement.

Let's be positive about that as there might be some free live coverage on the day of their fight.

Just a few words to cheer up Ryder fans - he is an interim WBA champ. Not a Nr1 contender, but a champ. You dont get that belt just for having beautiful eyes. These 5 losses in his record. People say that it is a lot. But have you seen these losses? What if they were in close fights? Ryder has wins over strong opponents also. Dont judge him only by losses. He is a southpaw and technitian boxer. Southpaws were never easy opponents for Canelo. And we gonna see spam of punches from both sides.

And if I'm not mistaken, he had earn that interim belt beating some opponents along the way. So for Ryder fans, it might be enough to hear that he is the WBA interim and maybe has the right to face Canelo Alvarez.

But looking at the odds, bookies are giving him a small chance to win. It might be good for him in the long run if he continues to box as he will get the experienced in fighting one of the best in this generation. I agree, in the Lara fight (in which Lara is a southpaw, Canelo had difficult times and others said that Erislandy beat him in that fight).

Well yeah you've got some point. Here's a big HOWEVER,  Canelo has never knocked down in his entire pro career, yeah Jose Cotto almost got him in 2010 if not with the ropes, Canelo would've kissed the canvass, but after that Canelo has became a tougher fighter. Now, I don't know how Ryder will going to win this fight? I mean he's got 32 W and 18 are those was a KO, that isn't really a bad ratio, but that clearly indicates he's not really that dangerous KO artist. So, the fight will be held in Mexico, with a close fight he's not going to win the decision either.
Also, let's see if Canelo is really washed lol. He's not old yet though.

But interim title is just a secondary title, not really the real one. Also, Ryder haven't fought many good boxers which had a similar level like Canelo Alvarez.

John Ryder is a good boxer and he's better than many boxers in his weight, if I fight with him, obviously he can easily win via KO. But Canelo is different and he's way better than Ryder, he lost to Mayweather is understandable due to politic reason and he lost to Bivol is really deserved since Bivol clearly dominating almost all the rounds.

In my view, Ryder don't have a politic power like Mayweather and not as strong as Bivol, it's why Ryder is a huge underdog.

https://i.imgur.com/9u5x8rk.jpg

This pic was from the press conference yesterday.

What do you think guys, Canelo clearly looks the smaller guy. Maybe Ryder can win this, bigger stature, longer reach?

I guess, that's one thing we should look forward to rather than expecting a one-sided fight throughout the night just because of the term "tune-up fight".

I, for one, particularly believe that Ryder will show what he is made of because this is a big opportunity for him to prove his existence in-front of the public but if ever he will get out defeated, I guess this bout will be his last as he already hinted a retirement just a while ago.

Look, you have proved my words. "Ryder is better than many others" - that is why he has that "secondary title". If he was really a cherry picked opponent, he would not have got that secondary title at all, he would be "just another boxer". However...

Ryder isnt like Mayweather, Bivol, GGG and etc. But he isnt a no name. What I am trying to say that it wont be a beating, one sided fight or he is not a punching bag that Canelo has chosen to fight against in him come country. Ryder is good.

There's no need to argue about this mate because whatever you guys will label John Ryder's situation, he's just here to be a tune-up fight for Canelo, nothing more. Eddie Hearn is surely not that dumb to put Canelo in a tough and difficult situation where he need to defend his belt purposely because they are not that sure enough if Canelo's wrist is already 100% fine, hence why this bout is made.

In Ryder's situation, he got nothing to lose here and it's up to him how will he perform this fight because there's no stopping him from upsetting the undisputed champion but the question is, does he have the skill to defeat Canelo Alvarez? Or will he just be that unknown boxer that will remain unknown at the end of the day?

This fight is a parameter to see if Canelo is ready to fight Benavidez or Bivol two of the fighters that can dominate Canelo although Bivol has done it already, even if he wins against Golovkin dominantly people are still in doubt if he can handle Benavidez a real bully in the ring and Bivol the only boxer that has broken his defense and offense.

I agree Ryder has nothing to lose but everything to gain here, people are taking him for granted so if Ruder upset Canelo it will be one of the biggest upsets, just hurting Canelo is enough or going to the distance, because we expect Canelo to go all out here to silence the doubters.

I want to see if Ryder can last 12 rounds with Canelo.

I think we will see a very motivated Canelo tomorrow and a KO in the middle rounds.

VIVA Canelo!

Yeah, that's the best effort that we could see for Ryder, at least last the whole 12 rounds. We haven't seen anyone except Golovkin and Bivol lasted that long against Alvarez.

So if by chance Ryder is really tough as what the papers describe him and not just another British boxer that easily fall, then it's a good accomplished and we can say that it's a "victory" for him. Otherwise, he could be KO in the middle rounds and give the fans what they wanted to see and pay.

Canelo is going to fight in front of his people, so it is obvious that he is going to want to give a great performance for them and will definitely try to go for the KO, if under those circumstances Ryder can go the whole distance then that will be an achievement for him, however if this is done by sacrificing any chance of attacking and counterattacking and he is just there standing and becomes a human punching bag then my evaluation of him will still be in the low side.

The burden is on Canelo to prove to his own people that he is still great and he can deliver a demolition job like he did in the past, people expect a lot from Canelo he is still the champion and he is still preparing for coming big fights and to attract more attention from the boxing community he needs to look impressive on this fight.
John Ryder can be considered cherry-picked if you look at the standard of fighters Canelo fought but he is capable of pulling an upset, we never know until they are both on the ring.

As expected Canelo wins convincingly but not by a knockout but by a unanimous decision Ryder proves to be a very tough customer, he came to fight not just to collect a paycheck, Canelo shows brilliancy but each time he has an opportunity to knock out Ryder, John Ryder shows excellent defense.
After this win, he has no option but to fight Benavidez or avenge his loss against Bivol he cannot have another kind of cherry-picked fight and ends up like this.

Canelo is still good in his defense and offense but it should be tested by tough fighters.

It was a dominant performance but I think a younger Canelo could've gotten the knockout. Canelo is not that old but he's been around a long time and is showing some signs of decline. I would not favor him to beat either Bivol or Benavidez.

A big recognition of the heart of John Ryder too. Damn, that man is surely adamant, he refuses to go down even though he was battered hard. He was bloody, he got punched so hard that he got dizzy, and he might even have a hard time to breath because of the blood dipping in his nose but he still fought until the end. All the respect to him. Big heart for the sport. Not for the money, he wants to win so badly.

Canelo Alvarez. He is good, the right hooks are connecting, the jabs are on point, and he took advantage of Ryder not trying to do jabs too. I think he is still affected mentally by his left hand injury but he is getting there. The title will remain in his possession but the big question will come out in the next few days. Is that performance enough to win against Dmitry Bivol?

Yes, Canelo started very young in his career, and as we can see, there could have been wear and tear already, with that hand injury of him could be the start although he is still very young.

And this fight is supposed to be a tune up fight for him and that's what it was. Although many figured he could win by a knockout by a game Ryder trying his best to stay at his feet and finished the fight with him.

A rematch at 175 lbs should happen next against Bivol. But if his version shows against Dmirty, it might be the same result a dominating win by him.

A clear domination by Canelo, Ryder down in the round five, but at least he can survive until the last round. People who are bet Canelo to win via decision should get a decent profit. However after he lost against Bivol, it seems like Canelo isn't really strong anymore, he not even KO'ed Ryder. I think the next match for Canelo is David Benavidez, Benavidez is stronger than Ryder and Plant, he also an undefeated boxer, this will be a good fight.

Not the kind of performance that we want to see on Canelo, but the kind of result that we expect from the fight not really impressive a win is still a win and we can't take that away from Canelo if he is going to fight Benavidez in his next fight I'll go for Benavidez if this is the best that he can show in the ring.
If he opted to fight Bivol I don't see a different result either I guess after the result of this fight it will be questionable if he can maintain his pound-for-pound status, let's see if he'll go for any of the two but he should because these two are the two boxers that stand in his way for greatness.

I thought that he has plans to rematch Bivol. In any case, a Benavidez fight is also good, another Mexican, but this time, it's young and big and has the power. Hopefully Canelo won't go under the excuse that he doesn't want to fight another Mexican. And fight Bivol at 175 lbs because as he have said, his critics are going to tell that Canelo drain Bivol at 168 lbs if he insist on fighting Bivol on that weight.

As for Ryder, he did try his best, but he might have exposed Canelo now as he was able to stand the onslaught and power and stay upright till the last bell. I think he can still maintain his pound for pound listing, but it depends on the performance of Inoue next. If Naoya beat Fulton with knockout and devastating power then he will surely be the top pound for pound now.

For me, I don't think that the performance of Canelo is enough to beat Bivol at this point. Bivol is a volume puncher and very accurate, so even if Canelo wanted to be the aggressor, Bivol can counter him all night just like the first fight.

It was not a knock out victory, everyone wanted to see if he can do it, but as you have said, maybe he is affected psychologically with that injured hand of his that's why he can't throw it the way he used to be. So both Benavidez and Bivol might beat the version of Canelo that this show against Ryder, just saying.

I agree with most of the observations here, Canelo, although it was a lopsided victory based on the scorecards, there's something in Canelo, he is a little big small and his punch doesn't have the same pop as before.

And even though it was a dominant win, he took damages as well. Ryder took the best punch of Canelo, he was bloodied, but he was able to stand so Ryder earned my respect in this fight. We thought that it will be easy for Canelo, but it wasn't, Ryder was still throwing punches, body shot til the 12 round.

Sometimes cherry-picked fighters turn out to be tougher than top fighters and Ryder is one example of this fighter, Canelo has been knocking out champions and top contenders but he cannot knock Ryder out even in front of his fellowman.
He puts out a big fight better than Plant or Smith,  Canelo is still good but Ryder has a tough stance and Canelo doesn't want to be a victim of upset in front of his home crowd so he is also cautious on his offense.

And this might be the start of Canelo's declination of his career because the way I see it there are only two things.

1. It's either Canelo is not that explosive because of his wrist injury that hinted some lack of power which is why he cannot close the fight with a KO after what happened in Round 5 or
2. it's just that John Ryder is resistant enough and could eat strong punches.

Either way, I'm not that convinced that Canelo can defeat Bivol this time or if he's going to face Benavidez, it might be risky for him knowing that Benavidez is much younger and also pack a lot of power. I know that Benavidez doesn't have good boxers on his record that is somehow on-par with Canelo but there is always a first time for everything.

I will admit I was surprised by the performance of Ryder, he was already in bad shape during the 3rd and 4th rounds and still he was able to resist all the rest of the rounds and finish the fight despite being significantly injured, however I also agree that there seems to be something wrong with Canelo, it is difficult to describe but he seems to lack the same kind of explosive punch which could KO a boxer on the spot, which is why he decided to keep punishing Ryder until he gave up, a thing that never happened.

Well, that is the reason why this fight has been made in the first place so that Canelo Alvarez and everyone inside his camp including Eddie Hearn knows the exact situation of Canelo's power because after the surgery, they certainly know that it will have some serious setbacks or some effect to the user, but they need how certain it is, which by now, I think they already found the answer.

But I don't think he needed another tune-up fight because what happened in general is still positive, but people are surely confused about what happened in the fight because Canelo lacks something to close the whole fight before it ends into the judge's hands.

As expected, Canelo will dominate the fight although John Ryder also earn my respect.  He fought toe to toe against Canelo.  I thought the fight were finished when John Ryder goes down on the round 5 but Ryder is able to stand up and survive the fight till the last round.  I can say John Ryder is one tough fighter, despite of the broken nose in the early round, he managed to survive until the end.  I thought that knockdown will be followed by several one but at the end Alvarez can't finish John Ryder via KO so he needs to  rely on the UD.  

Yeah, that's what I thought too. I think Canelo needs 1 more fight to gain confidence with that left hand of his. But first, he should watch his own tape in this Ryder fight because he only used it for the jabs and not for the haymaker hook or uppercut. Consider it if that is enough to fight against Bivol again.
I bet his camp will say the same thing as we think, he ain't ready yet or he won't be if he doesn't overcome the mentality of his left hand being injured again.
Also, Ryder was not using jabs so that's going to be a problem when he faces Bivol because it will be raining with jabs and I am sure Canelo will have a hard time defending it.
I think he put his career on the line to push himself to his limits but it ain't enough, it's not that dominant which was expected by the fans and Ryder was still standing when the 12 rounds were done.

Everyone gets nothing but a huge respect for Ryder. Even the Mexican fans, the crowd showed a huge respect for him. Everyone knows that Canelo will have a higher chance to win prior to the fight night, but he was not able to fulfill his promise to his home crowd because Ryder is one tough fighter. Everyone really thought the match was about to end after the huge knock down in the 5th round, but Ryder was too smart to take time to recover as he was also checking on his corner. A handful of times Ryder got rocked by Canelo's right hand, but was able to fight back like it didn't hurt him. Well, it takes a lot of heart and courage to fight with a broken nose and a tough opponent.
I'm pretty sure Canelo must have shook his head at Ryder's toughness and willingness to finish the 12 round after those punishing powerful punches lol.

Yeap, imho Ryder showed more heart in this fight than Canelo. We saw usual Canelo, everything was expected from him. Ryder did a really great fight. A lot of people did not trust in him, he was a huge underdog and many predicted early stoppage. However the fight went full distance. Even despite huge dominance on score cards, I liked how Ryder showed himself in that fight. Ryder even managed to take few rounds.

I just wander what Canelo is going to do next. Another victory among middleweights. Another predicted victory. Are there any fighters left who havent lost to Canelo? I see only one way for Canelo - to try again to fight in light heavyweight.

I expected a knockout win for Canelo to somehow impress his fans after his loss to Bivol but that didn't happen because like you said, Ryder showed up into the fight prepared for whatever Canelo brings into the table but just wasn't enough to get that win as we all know that in order for Ryder to win he must dominate or KO the Mexican.

For me, Canelo should fight Benavidez first and if he wins, he can do a rematch with Bivol and enough with those tune-up fights that everyone knows whose gonna win.

Ryder said that he broke his noise during this fight, first time that it did happen to him, but he was really a tough mofo, and just decided not to get knockout. If that is other boxers, they could have taken a dive and Canelo winning and fans very happy with that result. But not Ryder, shows resiliency and make the fight very competitive at least in his part.

I do agree that it's better to g for Benavidez to defend his belt again. One thing that Ryder said though that Canelo is starting to decline at this point. And this is what the majority saw in this fight. So it's going to be interesting if he chooses David next as Benavidez is younger.

It's obvious that he gonna win the fight after that knockout and also clearly in the rounds Canelo dominates the fight, he was fast and threw heavy punches that made Ryder act like anyone who was in a confused state when facing a stronger and more high-level opponent. Canelo fulfilled his promise to give his countrymen the fight they really wanted to watch and I think Guadalajara, Mexico people will not gonna ask for more since their man has won and maybe his next fight will gonna be in the US again where real contender can't wait to fight him.

Yes, it's evident enough that John Ryder was strong enough to endure Canelo's punches but he still got knocked down somewhere in Round 5 and I reckon that if only Ryder packed a strong punch, he could've give Canelo some harder time rather than waiting until the fight ends. And I do agree with John Ryder, Canelo seems declining and we can see it because that's not how he usually perform in some fights.

Given that comment, it's much safer for Canelo to face Benavidez rather than visiting Dmitry Bivol again in his own division where a loss is almost inevitable in Canelo's side. Safer because at least with Benavidez, he got more chances but the kid pack quite a strong punch which also gives some risks to Canelo.

Looking forward for Canelo to fight either Bivol or Benavidez before this year ends.

I don't think so, Benavidez is a dangerous fight also, just look at Benavidez's fight against Plant he goes there to punish Plant even though Benavidez wins by unanimous decision compared to Canelo knocking him out he puts a superb and superior performance, Canelo will also be in trouble fighting a guy who just comes forward to dish out everything, but there are already reports of Bivol and Canelo willingness to fight either from Bivol's weight category or Canelo's weight category, so so many things to watch out for Canelo's next fight.