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Hey guys, Libertadores of America will start today (third stage/group stage)

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This year's champion will have a guaranteed place in the 2023 FIFA Club World Cup, and also in the new World Cup format that will be played in 2025.
The bets are already active at the bookmakers.
This is a very difficult championship to predict the games, it has many surprises, games in high altitude places, teams with a lot of passion, etc.

Do you already have a guess for this year's champion?
Do you follow the matches?
For those who do not watch, I recommend watching at least from the round of 16 on, I will try to post the links to the matches when there are official and free broadcasts.

Sources:
Official website: https://www.conmebollibertadores.com/
You can check the schedule HERE (https://www.conmebollibertadores.com/cards/Calendar?round=ALL&teamId=)
Previous thread HERE (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5397192.msg60037996#msg60037996)

I'll reserve this post to make updates, post links to the matches etc

Odds of the top teams to be 2023 champion:

Flamengo 4.50
Palmeiras 5.00
River Plate   8.00
Boca Juniors 10.00
Atlético-MG 13.00
Corinthians 15.00
Fluminense 20.00
Internacional 20.00
Athletico-PR 30.00
Racing 30.00

Source HERE (https://www.oddsshark.com/br/futebol/libertadores/odds-apostas-futuras)

Edit3:

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cool thread!
If I was beating for the most probable one I'd beat Palmeiras will be the champion
but since I like underdogs I'll just say Boca Juniors will win this time
let's see

any idea what are the best websites to bet on it?
maybe duelbits itself?

I hadn't seen this thread yet.
Thanks @rdluffy for opening it and also for letting me know by DM.

Well... despite being the biggest football championship in Latin America, I confess that don't follow it as much as the European championships and I believe that the rest of the world doesn't give it as much relevance either.

It isnt wonder that Conmebol is discredited on the international scene for hosting these sporting events, in my humble opinion, it's quite incompetent and disorganized, because every year something goes wrong.
This year, for example, they postponed the date of the Final game :( and this certainly caused a lot of inconvenience for those who had already bought tickets, booked their hotel, flights, time off work...

But anyway, I hope that the title goes to a Brazilian team again.

I think Palmeiras is the favorite here, just like in Brasileirao, but as you said, there's some teams hard to beat, even in bad situtations teams like Boca Junior are tough for brazilians.
You can use DuelBits, just go to this link and type Libertadores to find all the matches available to bet: https://duelbits.com/sportsbook/home/soccer

Take a look here:
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If I remember well, you're a fan of Internacional right? The team is doing good until now, 1 victory and 1 draw, but my Corinthians is not in a good situation, they lost playing in home and now the road will be hard.



I can see, it's hard to draw attention to this championship hahaha, but I can guarantee there's a lot of emotion here and memorable matches.
Maybe you guys can watch the games from the round of 16 on, specially if the teams are Brazil vs Argentina  ;D
It is a different competition than in Europe for example where it is more organized, but the countries are richer and have rich soccer leagues.
In South America there are still countries where professional soccer doesn't have that much money and can't get a decent organization.

There's a great chance to have a Brazilian champion, specially Palmeiras, Flamengo and now Fluminense playing in high level again.

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If anyone wants good betting tips, I can post the tips and a brief analysis here.
I'm already saying that for the next round I'll place a bet on Corinthians' victory, paying 1.82, playing at home, I believe it's a good odd.

thanks @rdluffy
cool stuff

actually I don't have any team
as a child a used to have it influenced by my father but then I grew up not carrying for football that much

so I have no idea why you thought I'm a fan of international hahaha

The Brazilian teams did not start well in this season's Libertadores, Palmeiras had a defeat against Bolivar, which is a team from the Bolivian League, honestly, despite Bolivar being in second place in the Bolivian League, I don't see Bolivar as a much superior team. To Palmeiras, the Bolivian League is much lower than the Brazilian League, I understand that in the Palmeiras game against Bolivar, the Palmeiras player received a red card in the 44th minute and this had a great negative impact on the Palmeiras team and in the minute a following, palmeiras conceded the second goal, but in the 52nd minute bolivar also suffered a red card and with that they also had 10 players on the field

with 40 minutes still to be played and each team with 10 players on the pitch, palmeiras could have at least managed to get out of this game with a draw, but instead of scoring another goal and leveling the game, they conceded the third goal in the 89th minute, With that, Palmeiras lost. then came the second game in which palmeiras won the game, but again it was not an easy game for palmeiras who were losing after just 5 minutes, looking at the current performance of palmeiras, I would say that they would hardly win the Conmebol Libertadores and I also very much doubt that Palmeiras will be able to beat the Brazilian this season

hat do you mean by: "Beat the Brazilian?"
I didn't understand

The championship is just getting started, still too early to make assumptions.
even if Palmeiras didn't perform well yet it can bounce back in the upcoming games
Anything can happen, bro.

Let's wait and see how the season unfolds before making any definitive statements about who will come out on top.

I am sure that the Brazilian teams will recover as their league Serie A has just started with only a couple of games played so most teams have not reached their peak form while other South American leagues are already over 13-14 games and as such their physical form is in much better shape than those of Brazilian teams.I have been losing a couple of bets here by betting on Brazilian teams but I am confident that still Brazilian teams are the ones to beat compared to a majority of other league participants here,only River Plate from Argentina can be a threat as they are good this year but overall the best teams are still from Brazil.

yes, Brazil is usually quite good and I'd probably keep betting on Brazilian's teams over other teams to be honest
there are other good teams of course, like even Boca Juniors that we mentioned here before

what are the next games you are betting on?

I'm sorry Lucasgabd, I thought it was you, but I think it's @alegotardo who supports Internacional, I remember that in last year's thread about Brasileirao some user commented that he was Inter fan hehehe.
If I have time I'll do some search in the last year's thread and try to find  :D


Today is Corinthians match day, I'm going to watch and probably bet
Besides being an extremely important match for Corinthians (as they lost the last game), it is the debut of coach Vanderlei Luxemburgo.
For those interested, the match will be shown on the Paramount+ streaming service

Here are the odds from today's matches:
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I see great opportunity to bet on Corinthians and Fluminense victories, both brazilian teams will face strong opponents (specially Fluminense), but playing at home, it has everything to get a victory
Fluminense has been playing very well lately and is focused on the Libertadores, even spared players in the last match of the Brazilian Championship
And Corinthians finally with an experienced and respected coach, has everything to start with a good result and be able to keep safe for the classification for the next round of Libertadores, if the team loses it will be disastrous
That is why I think that betting on both teams today is a good opportunity.

The odd for Corinthians looks really appealing at near 2 while they are playing at home and usually Brazilian teams play very well when playing in front of the home crowd.I don't think Ind.De Valle is a great team or a great threat to Corinthians as Corinthians is doing relatively well also in the Serie A so far.I would bet a lot of money on Corinthians in tonight game as I doubt very much a team from Ecuador no matter how strong they may be to be causing problems to Corinthians tonight if Corinthians plays seriously and since the new coach debut is in this game most likely this will be an extra motivation to the team to win.

The fact that Corinthians lost at home against one team in the last places in Liga Professional in Argentina is what holds me back from betting a lot of money on Corinthians but most likely they will win tonight.

Well, if I didn't get the count wrong :D I think that in this game Corinthians will debut the fourth different coach... it's practically one every game... but I'm betting that this time Crinthians will beat Ind. Del Valle under coach Vanderlei Luxemburgo, even for playing at home.

Corinthians needs to win, as they are tied with Ind. Del Valle in second place in group E with exactly 30 points.

I like to relive history, so I researched the last time they faced each other... it was in 2019 for the Copa Sudamericana and the Ind. Del Valle in 2019 and the Ecuadorians came out with the victory ::)

haha no problem at all
in reality I'm not a big fan of soccer, even in the last world cup I ended up not watching any game at all
in the day Brazil lost I was in the beach, it was an amazing sunny day, I could hear some people screaming because of the game, but so far away...

I don't know what is going on with the Corinthians team, even though we thought that at least this match we were going to win, they ended up losing against Independiente del Valle, playing at home.
The team is on the verge of failure in this Libertadores, as they lost two games at home, now I think the only way to classify is to win the remaining 3 matches, make 9 points and be at least the second place.
It will be hard, because Corinthians will play against this same team and Argentino Juniors in their countries.
Let's hope the new coach will find a way to put the team on track again.


So, we all thought about Corinthians victory, and we all lost the bets
alegotardo, I asked Lucasgabd but I think it's you that is a fan of Internacional right?


Thanks, I think it's alegotardo, I asked him  :D

We have a good chance with odds of 2.24 offered by betting agents for Flamengo's away match. I don't think I will miss this opportunity, especially since brasil and argentine clubs are performing well in this tournament. Where can I follow this match? Please share a link if available. I have tried searching on Google, but without success.

I firmly bet on Internacional's victory over Nacional, but I believe that no fan was expecting that Noguera goal in stoppage time :-\

Nacional now has a good moment, with 7 games undefeated and remains at the top of the group with two victories in the competition.

Internacional, on the other hand, need to play better, but I believe that the problem is mainly in the coaching staff, which isn't managing to properly manage the players in all the championships that the club competes in. After all, only now in May there will be 8 matches in a period of just 27 days between the Brasileirão, Copa do Brasil and Libertadores.
Which championship and which players to prioritize ???

Now I'm curious about it too

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problably on globo websites you can watch it
they're often streaming it but sometimes it's a paid stream, not sure

I found this website too but couldn't verify it's legit

https://www.livesoccertv.com/competitions/international/copa-libertadores/

anyone else has suggestions on that?

Result of today's games:

Deportivo Pereira 2 - 1 Monagas

probably if there hadn't been the draw that benefited Deportivo Pereira then the game would have ended in a draw, and with this result it puts Deportivo Pereira in the second position in the table, when I saw the highlight videos of this game I confess that I couldn't stop laughing , these two teams wasted many good opportunities to score goals, they were mistakes that have not been made in the premier league or la liga or bundesliiga

Libertad 1 - 2 Athletico - PR

it was a game in which Liberdad scored the first goal after 10 minutes, Athletico's goalkeeper handed it to the opponent, it was a very serious mistake, and caught all defense off guard, that's why they suffered that goal at 10 minutes, but Athletico didn't stand still and they reacted but it's impressive how they missed a lot, it's true that they scored 2 goals, but if they were more effective they would have scored a lot of goals on both sides

Patronato 4 - 1 Melgar

I don't have much to comment on this game, both teams came into this game with a negative result, so it was a game with a very unpredictable result, I also think that these two teams will not make it very far

Racing 1 - 1 Flamengo

honestly Flamengo is in an endless decay, they were playing against an opponent who at 26 minutes was reduced to 10 players, even so Flamengo after winning the game went to shit and took red and a goal, it's unbelievable how Flamengo is in decline after Jorge Jesus left

Sorry Ulven, I didn't see your post in time, but for next matches I'll try to find the stream to watch the matches, it's not easy because it's not only streamed in a unique place, last match of Corinthians for example I watched on Paramount + channel


It's not easy for any team to manage Brasileirão + Copa do Brasil + Libertadores
In my opinion Inter is doing well, 2nd place in their group of Libertadores and 4th place in Brasileiro. The last result against Nacional was not that bad, since Nacional is a good team and it's in 1st place of group.
I hope you didn't lose any money on that match hehehe.

In your opinion, which championship your team will prioritize?
Corinthians, will not prioritize anything at this moment, my team is doing bad in both championships and desperately needs to win in both


I'll check later about the options of stream


Good points, I'll comment only in Flamengo's match, and it's impressive how the team's performance dropped, being almost the same team as the year before, when they were very victorious, but this year it seems that nothing works out.
It seems that the coach makes much more difference than they think, and if they take too long to get right, it may be too late for Libertadores and even the Brazilian championship.

Ey guys, just seeing this!.

I have a thread for Argentina Superleague, and im argentinian and i obviusly follow the internationals cups of Conmebol.

I think you are Brazilians no?.

Im not linking so much this first phase on this year because as far as i see the groups are very bad balanced.

Boca group for example its a real joke. But other "easy" groups are being more harsh than i think, but i also think in second round teams like Flamengo are going to put full gas and go to round of 16 easily.

Nice, post the link of your thread here please
We brazilians and argentinians share the same passion for Libertadores right? Hahaha

The first stage is being tough for my team Corinthians  :D
Sometimes we think a group is weak but the strongest team not always finish in 1st or 2nd to classify

But after that, on round of 16 the matches are always hard, even more if there's any Argentina vs Brazil teams
Do you think Boca is the most favorite team from Argentina?

In my opinion, from Brazil I can say Flamengo is not the best one right now, even with the new coach (Argentinian) Sampaoli, Flamengo is doing very bad lately, it's not the same team of last year.
Keep an eye in Fluminense and Palmeiras, they are playing in higher level, after that we have Atletico MG, Athletico PR and Inter, and only after that, playing bad is Corinthians and Flamengo.
If you need any advice to bet, just ask

And you can post here for us about the argentinians teams, to help us in our bets, because I don't have a huge amount of knowledge of this season of argentinians  ;)

many in this thread are brazilians, yes
some people are quite active in the portuguese speaking boards, come say hi if you speak some portuguese :)

I'd say the same as rdluffy
tell us more about the Argentinian teams if you can, I haven't heard a lot about them

Ey guys! i totally missed the thread, i was busy and i forget to respond. Sorry for that.

Well, about your questions, yes Boca claims they are the most popular team they said they are "the half plus one", and in someways maybe its true, but i think the reality its more like, 40% Boca Juniors, 40% River Plate (or even 45 for both), and the rest for the remaining teams.

The main problem its in Argentinian Boca y River and a few more"big" teams like Independiente Racing and San Lorenzo have the mayority of fans because asides they are from Buenos Aires the whole country are of this teams, the only city where they arent mayority its in Rosario, where Newells and Rosario Central have the 45% of the city both of them and the remaining 10% are from Boca river and the others.

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About argentinian performance in teams we are very weak this last years, we cant compete so much against the economic power you are having, Argentina economy its not in a good path in exchange rate terms so its impossible to make well balanced teams.

The only one who maintain the level was River of Gallardo, Boca its a shame what are they doing in the last years in international cups, and they are playing worst and worst every year.

wow
interesting to know that
thanks for the information @darxiaomi
makes me think of what are the most famous Brazilian teams

maybe Palmeiras and Sao Paulo?
not sure

Thanks for explaining that


Very interesting what you commented, and it makes perfect sense
The situation in Brazil is not the best, the currency that is the real is very devalued in relation to the dollar and euro, 1 dollar for example is worth 5 reais
This makes most players want to leave the country and earn in another currency
Now the situation in Argentina is even worse, and this makes almost all young players leave very quickly. Not to mention that it is difficult to bring players from other countries as well
All this crisis reflects on the teams and directly on the classification of the championships, such as the Libertadores
In the last 5 years the Brazilian teams have dominated the championship


It's a good question for him, to see the point of view of an Argentinian.
But I think Flamengo, Santos and Corinthians are the most famous abroad, let's see his opinion.

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The next round of Libertadores is almost coming guys, May 23, 24 and 25.

this question of most famous teams abroad probably varies e lot from country to country too
most famous brazilian teams in europe are probably different than the most famous brazilian teams in Argentina

that's a cool thing to think about

I cited the 3 teams for the following reasons:

Santos obviously had Pelé, so everyone remembers both
Flamengo is the biggest fan base in Brazil with about 40 million fans, so it is normal that it is known worldwide, and has had great players like Zico
Corinthians I cited because it was the last world champion in 2012 and has already been two-time champion of the FIFA world cup

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Today is the beginning of 4th round:
https://www.talkimg.com/images/2023/05/24/libertab4b84e13940098b5.png

I'll probably lose some money betting on Corinthians again hahaha, but I still have some hope  :D

Seriously now, I think there's a good bet, Independiente del Valle against Liverpool, this last one didn't win any match and only have 1 point, 1.91 worth the risk to bet on a victory of Ind. del Valle

Sorry guys, i miss the thread i was busy.


Well i know Corinthians its the most followed one in term of number of fans, but for us a lot of teams from Brazil are the "biggers".

Flamengo, Fluminense, Cruzeiro, Sao Paulo, Corinthians, Palmeiras, Inter, Gremio. Santos (few fans but a big team in term of trophies and football). Also Vasco da gama and i dont know if im missed anyone.

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About betting in this round.... im not betting at all because in group fase theteams develop its strange, im gonna bet when the matches are gonna be more decissive like in 5 and 6 round.

well, yesterday we had games, and once again flamengo slipped and had another draw, there are already 2 consecutive draws and that way they risk ending up in third place which would not allow flamengo to go to another phase, in the next game they will have to face the leader of the group who are at a great distance in terms of points and confident that they have already passed to another phase in case of a victory or draw in the game against Flamengo. racing are not doing well in the argentinian league and they are so bad they will have to make an effort in this game to win and guarantee an early passage to another phase and then focus on the argentinian league

Flamengo needs to be careful because another slip in this game is the end for Flamengo because Nublense will play against the weakest team in the group which means that Nublense can win which would give them 7 points in the table, if Flamengo does not win in the next game so they didn't pass to another phase and now that Flamengo is recovering in the Brazilian league it would be very good if they managed to pass to another phase. Fluminense is losing, and another surprise because in case of their victory in this game, it would allow them to already guarantee passage to another phase, even a draw also guarantees passage to another phase, there are still 45 minutes left for the game to end, there is still time for the fluminense draw

good to remember that Santos was the first home for many bigger players that ended up in the official Brazilian team, like Robinho and some others that I'm probably forgetting about


cool to hear that
thanks for sharing

no problem about the time
I also forgot this thread and got back now

I think you did the right thing, I am doing badly in this first phase of the Libertadores, it is very difficult for me to get any bets right.  >:(


At least Fluminense is still in first place in the group, and even if they lost this last game, the team has been playing very well and has full conditions to advance in the next phase and with chances to go further.

Now the teams of Flamengo and Corinthians are terrible in the Libertadores.
Speaking about Flamengo, it is incredible the team's decline compared to last year. Everyone believed that Flamengo was going to be the favorite in the Libertadores and in the Brazilian Championship, but besides not being the favorite anymore, they are still in a terrible phase in which nothing works out. And the proof that a coach makes a lot of difference, because the base of the team is the same as last year, but the coach is VERY much needed.

Corinthians is making me lose my bets, but I'm glad I'm already aware of this, and I've only made small bets on the team


The most famous are Pelé, Neymar and Robinho.
But there's a lot of excellent players, like Paulo Henrique Ganso (Fluminense), Gabigol (Flamengo), Rodrygo (Real Madrid)...

I forgot to comment, what a mess made by Independiente de Valle, they lose against the most weak in the group, and put a lot more of spicy on that group.

The most big blow of this round was the draw of River because now they need to win against Fluminense in the next game.

And yes Boca losing its a disaster but this Boca its really weak, and they still have 1000% chances because the group its really weak.

And the one who benefited from this defeat of Independiente del Valle was my team, Corinthians, which even though it has played badly all these matches so far, still has a chance to qualify
Corinthians only depends on itself for classification
The ideal is to win the two remaining matches

Look at the group, everyone has a chance to qualify

https://www.talkimg.com/images/2023/05/30/wdykz.png

River vs Fluminense will be a great match, I'm sure.
Fluminense's team is very good, but they will play in Argentina and with River needing a win. In matches like this I don't risk betting because it is very unpredictable.

I think I will risk again a bet on Corinthians next week, on June 7th against Independiente del Valle, it will be a match at the same level I wrote about above against Fluminense, unpredictable, but it is my team
If they win, I believe that then in the last match against Liverpool, playing at home, should not be so difficult to win and ensure classification

Yes, but this River its not the same as the Gallardo River, and River its having really difficult time with his goalkeeper, Armani its making a completly mess in last games, conceding goals by his fault.

So River its gonna play with a ton of pressure in his shoulders, not easy.

yes, that, there are even more quite famous ones like
Kaká, Ronaldo and Ronaldinho Gaúcho (probably almost as famous as Pelé abroad), Zico and Romário.

Lots of good players born in Brazil.

And after all River won against Fluminense  :D

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I am also sad to say that Corinthians was defeated yesterday, and eliminated from the Libertadores.
I also lost a few dollars betting on Corinthians thinking that the worst was over, and the last thing to Corinthians is trying to draw or win against Liverpool to play at Sudamericana Cup

Only 1 round left in the Libertadores group stage, soon the competition will get pretty exciting, and I'll just be able to watch the other teams and try to make some money from betting hahaha.

This is how the table looks like:

https://www.talkimg.com/images/2023/06/08/AQ0Sv.png
https://www.talkimg.com/images/2023/06/08/AQebb.png

Metropolitanos - Independiente Medellín

Metropolitanos has nothing more to fight for, they didn't even get at least one victory in this competition, there were 4 games and 4 defeats, coming to this game unmotivated, without anything to fight for, with 4 consecutive defeats, I don't see Metropolitanos being a threat to Independiente who come to this game motivated because they already have 2 consecutive victories and 7 points, so a victory in this game and expecting a defeat or a tie between the first and second places would put them in second place and everything would be resolved in the last game, that is, this is a very important game for Independiente, that's why I bet on Independiente to win that game

Flamengo - Racing

well, Flamengo is going from bad to worse, in the last game they got only one point even playing against a team that was very accessible, Flamengo's luck is that Racing has 10 points so they probably won't take this game too seriously once that there is no team in this group that could overcome them in terms of points, just for Racing to draw in this game that would already be safe, so I predict that this is the type of game that will end in a draw

Olimpia - Atlético Nacional

Olimpia did very well in this tournament, with 2 wins and 2 draws, and are in second place with 8 points, while their opponent Atlético Nacional, which also did very well in this competition and is in first place, comes into this game with the concern of sparing players due to the local league game, so I see Olimpia winning this game

If Internacional is "lukewarm" in the Brazilian championship, the same we cannot be said for Libertadores.... they just need one more victory to qualify for the next stage.
It's maintainable that after an excellent match by Internacional, Nacional from Uruguay managed to draw at the very end of the game :-[ now Internacional needs to beat the Colombian team to advance to the next phase.

I think it's possible to move forward, because the international is still the only Brazilian team that is undefeated in this championship, which motivates me even more.
If this cup has always belonged to the Brazilians, this time it is time for Internacional to take it home 8)

2 right guesses and 1 wrong, not bad
Flamengo's match was much more difficult to predict, they started the season in the worst possible way, they lost 3 championships, lost their coach, started the national championship badly, and started the Libertadores badly too
But after the arrival of coach Sampaoli, little by little the team was returning to what it was before. It is still not 100%, but we have already noticed a good improvement. In the national championship it is in 5th place and in the Libertadores it is in 2nd place in the group and with total possibility of classification.
That is why I think it is so difficult to predict something

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The next round of the Libertadores will be on June 27, 28 and 29, the last round before the round of 16.

Teams that no longer have a chance to go to the next round:

Aucas
Barcelona
Cerro Porteno
Corinthians
Liverpool
Alianza Lima
Melgar
Patronato

Metropolitanos is the only one already eliminated from Libertadores and with no chances to classify to Copa Sudamericana

Is anyone else here looking forward to the game between Flamengo and Aucas? The game is only on the June 28th, but the fans have practically sold out tickets to watch this game at Maracanã... I'll be passing through the region, so I've already secured my ticket too.

But, i'm fan's Internacional and at the same day there are two other very important games for me, as Internacional will face Independiente Medellín in Beira-Rio stadium and they NEED TO WIN, because if they draw and Nacional win against Metropolitanos (which is very likely) at this same day too, then Internacional will be disqualified despite being undefeated in the championship.

June 28th will be a day of great emotions!!!

enjoy the game!
for sure it'll be a cool one to watch

do you go often to watch the games irl?
must be a totally different experience than watching it online or in the television

Wow, please remember to post here your impressions about the match.
(A picture will be VERY nice hahaha, Maracanã full of crowd is always nice to see)


It's cool to feel the fans and the vibe of the match, it's different.
And it's strange to us, used to watch in TV, because TV have replays, close in and narrator haha, sometimes you feel something is missing, so usually people use radios to hear the narrator

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Today is the last day of group phase, and Corinthians will play against Liverpool, a victory or a draw is enough to secure at least the Sul Americana spot. (it will be terrible if Corinthians lose this spot too).
It's paying 1.75 for Corinthians win, and even if I lost a lot of money already with my team, I believe they will win this last match, it's worth a bet

Flamengo 4 - 0 Aucas

it was a game in which Flamengo dominated the entire game, had greater possession of the ball, did not allow the opponent to have space to score at least 1 goal, after 9 minutes Flamengo scored the first goal of the game, without doubt that the first Flamengo's goal was a very beautiful goal, Flamengo's second goal didn't give the aucas goalkeeper any chance to defend, and the third goal that Flamengo scored made me laugh, Aucas' defense had many openings which gave many opportunities to Flamengo, Flamengo's fourth goal showed the great fragility of Aucas' defense. with this victory, Flamengo is in the second position in the group.

Corinthians 3 - 0 Liverpool

despite the fact that corinthians achieved this very important victory, they were in position 3 in the group and have no more chances of being above position 3, which is a disappointment because in this group there were not very strong teams that it was not possible for corinthians to achieve at least except having managed to finish in second place, I consider Corinthians to be a disappointing campaign in this group

racing 4 - 0 nublense

it's funny that racingo had a good campaign in this group to the point of being at the top while they in the argentinian league are in position 15, even with a good team like flamengo in this group it didn't mean that racing was prevented from finishing in a good way congratulations to racing, it was the best team in this group, it was the team that had the most goals scored in this group and had a good defense with 6 goals conceded, congratulations to racing

congrats on this win, didn't expected it
Corinthians didn't play well this season, and odds were rising on their win from @1.55 on Sunday to @1.85 before the match, so there were not many people expecting them to win, not to mention win 3:0 what happened
but maybe is just due to team being played with, first match was also 0:3 for Corinthians, and those are only two wins for your time this season in Copa Libertadores

Im late on comment here, because all the groups doesnt have so much drama in the end.

Yes really good odds thinking on Corinthians against Liverpool (u), the only thing because i dont put money on it was because Corinthians Santos and other teams from Brazil are making a really bad run in international cup(i dont understand why).

The team that doesnt stop surpirsing me its Independiente del Valle..... man that guys its something really strange, every year they make a epic tournament since the time when they reach the final of Libertadores in 2016. And their teams are not good in term of names, because in them play a lot of players from Argentina who came from the third division for example.

I watched the best moments of this last Independiente del Valle game and it seems to me that both teams were very balanced at the beginning of the game.

But in fact, Independiente seem to have extra strength in this championship and Díaz's goal, in addition to being very beautiful (a strong and accurate grip on the ball that swelled the net with force) must have been the point that marked the right moment for Independiente improve their position on the field and come back stronger in the second half.

Although Independiente still conceded two goals (one of them at the very end of the second half), it seemed to me that they dominated the game better and deserved this victory.

Speaking of Internacional... he also beat Independiente Medellín by 3x1 and secured his classification (still undefeated)

I didn't watch the game, but I saw the highlights/best moments of the Palmeiras x Bolivar game.

I was surprised with the result, I imagine that Palmeiras would win the game, but they scored 4 goals and won that game against Bolivar.

Another interesting game was Boca Juniors vs. Monagas.
Boca Juniors also won easily.

My question is... will these teams that had a significant victory will be able to maintain this excellent performance in the next games?

Finally Corinthians did a good match on Libertadores, unfortunately is too late, but at least they secure the classification to Sul Americana Cup.
And I'm glad I did a small bet on Corinthians  :D


To be honest, I did a small amount of money in my bet, I was confident, but not too much hehehe


Corinthians is having a crisis, after coach Victor Pereira left Corinthians to Flamengo, the team took a deep dive in crisis, but at least now they got a good coach and slowly thing can get to normal again, but unfortunately out of Libertadores. At least they got the chance to continue in Sul Americana Cup.


When I saw the result I remembered you hahaha, congratulations, Inter is classified
I hope you bet on your team and got some money too  ;D


I think Palmeiras will maintain a good performance on Libertadores, since they lost 2 games on Brasileiro and now wil, focus mainly on Libertadores. At least I expect this behavior from the team and sounds logical.
Palmeiras did the best campaign in group phase

Corinthians is the only Brasilian club that wasn't qualified for next round of Copa Libertadores and will have to settle to Copa Sudamericana

within other countries, only Colombia will have two teams, Equador, Paraquay and Uruguay one, and all other are from Brasil and Argentina, seems as domination

It is not surprising that they could not qualify for the next round considering their poor performance in the league this season, currently they are only 15th in the Brazilian Serie A standings while the other teams that still progress to the next round are in the top 10 of the standings.


The Libertadores have been dominated for the past 6 seasons by clubs from Brazil and Argentina, don't expect more teams like Atletico Nacional from Colombia to become champions again.

Yes and its gonna be worst, Brazil domiantes like nothing because they have the economic power right now ,and Argentina its in a "crisis".

The other thing its no team can make a solid base, so they can have good flow or football, they sell the good players to europe so fast or to other teams, so its very difficult.

One example its Uruguay, years ago Uruguay teams like Nacional or Peñarol were always important and very rough to win, but now they are crap. The last good participation on Libertadores from an Uruguayan team was the Peñarol who lost the final against the Santos of Neymar.

Yes, you're right!
I have no doubt, Palmeiras will focus on Libertadores, because in Brasileirao they will be able to recover during the year, because the Brazilian championship will end in november/december

Argentina has 25 Libertadores titles, while Brazil has 23.
In the last 4 years the champions have been Brazilian, and the last 3 finals were with Brazilian teams.
This reflects the crisis that Argentina is going through, where several players have gone to play in other countries, including Brazil.


I think that even if we manage to play in the Copa Sulamericana, Corinthians will not get very far, the team is still too bad.
When I thought he was getting better, he had a couple of very good games, but he repeated the same mistakes and lost again.


I agree, Europe attracts almost all the best players, it is very hard to compete with the salaries they pay, and not only that, Europe is every player's dream.

Brazil still managed to attract some players who were in Europe, but because they are at the end of their careers, 34 years old or older, or players who didn't do well over there, such as Gabriel Barbosa, and Cebolinha from Flamengo, Paulinho from Corinthians, among others.

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Remembering that tomorrow, July 5th, the draw for the round of 16 will take place, we will know which will be the paths of each team.
The draw will be held at 16h UTC

As rdluffy had already advanced, Conmebol defined all the 2023 Libertadores clashes, from the round of 16 to the dispute of the grand final (depending on the winners).
These will be the next matches:

• Atlético Nacional vs Racing
• Nacional vs Boca Juniors
• Deportivo Pereira vs Independiente del Valle
• Atlético-MG vs Palmeiras
• Flamengo vs Olimpia
• Argentine Juniors vs Fluminense
• River Plate vs Internacional
• Bolivar vs Athletico PR

The image below also illustrates the keying of the following games:

River Plate and Internacional.... a super-classic!!!
I'm really looking forward to this game.

Thanks alegotardo!
Since my Corinthians didn't qualify for the round of 16, I'll give my support to your Internacional hahaha, I don't want to see Palmeiras or Flamengo champions again

Looking at the two sides of the matches, both are extremely tough, I think all the macthes will be equilibrated

The first leg matches will be played on August 01, 02 and 03, so we don't have the odds yet, but looking at the matches, I think I can make a good profit with the bets
I will analyze each confrontation and make my list of probable classified until the final, but I can already say that it may be a final between Palmeiras and Flamengo again  :D

Inter will face a tough team, but not impossible one, Fluminese won 5 x 1 playing at home, and lost in Argentina 0 x 2, the key is try to win 2 x 0 in home and try a draw in Argentina

I was late to comment again :P

I cant believe the luck Boca Juniors side on this Libertadores, they had the most easy group of all the cup and now they have the most easy draft until semifinals.

The only bad thing they have its.... yes themselves, they are a very bad team right now. So if Palmeiras surprases Mineiro we can see Palmeiras again in the final, sadly.

River has a very rough way....

And no before you ask, no im not from Boca or River hahaha

Libertadores matches are always difficult haha
There are some teams that are bad in the national championships, but play very well in the Libertadores, an example is Boca Juniors itself, always feared by the Brazilians, no matter the situation.

The side/group where Boca Juniors stayed has Palmeiras as the strongest team in my opinion, and the other side has Flamengo, but I think both sides/groups are balanced.

You said about Palmeiras x Atlético MG, and I think Palmeiras can win without so much trouble
I'm trying to make my predictions for each match, and it's hard because there was easier groups like group H where Olimpia was and classified in 1st place, but look at group D, I think it was the toughest one, so it's hard to predict in the round of 16.

Well, I can't say less, these teams from Brazil and Argentina are the ones that put themselves in context the most to be able to do many things, Corinthians misses me, they are one of the toughest teams there are, personally I think that here are the ones that most The dominate are the teams from Brazil and Argentina, the Colombian teams are also very good, but of course compared to the others the level of football is superior, we also cannot leave out the teams from Venezuela, there are only a couple that always stand out , such as Deportivo Táchira and Caracas FC, are very good teams that show their faces.

Now, if we go further south, we cannot forget that the Paraguayan teams, which are very tough, are really great teams and are very seasoned.

Well Boca Jr is one of the most emblematic and good teams in Argentina, in fact I don't know if you remember when Riquelme was there, wow he did some amazing things there, also the Bombonera stadium is another level, one of the things that I love the most They like the Argentine teams like Boca and River are their fans and the songs are very good, also the rivalry between these teams is unique, I would not really see Boca and River in a stadium because I feel that it would scare me, there live that passion at the level of the Hooligans, it is something that wow.

Also as they have come, Palmeiras awaits Boca, which is one of the toughest teams in Brazil and with the most history or Flamengo, that is , super early finals , this Libertadores Cup like all of them is getting very good.

Hi Luckmcfly, yes how can forget Riquelme when im argentinian?. One of the best players to play with shirt number 10 or like a lot of people says "the last 10".

I remember that goal on Libertadores 2007 finals against Gremio.

WHAT A GOAL (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UxtZdlZOkQQ&ab_channel=SergioFranco)

The last Libertadores cup championship for Boca Jrs.

Since my Corinthians did not qualify for the next stage of the Libertadores, and this kind of South American topic does not have as many posts as the European championships, I will also post here about the Copa Sudamericana.

A very cool and important detail: the champion of the Sulamericana will face the champion of the Europa League, maybe attract more attention to the soccer of South America.

There will be 3 games today, with the following odds:

https://www.talkimg.com/images/2023/07/18/ZKKG2.png

I think there is a good chance that America MG will win this game, playing at home. The team is very good and last weekend almost took Corinthians out of the Copa do Brasil
If the team plays the same way, it can win
Corinthians will play away from home, but at least they have the advantage of having won at home by 1-0, I think I'll do Draw no Bet betting on Corinthians, paying 2.23

Im seeing right now, but better to say following the games trought the apps, and what a destroy make America MG to Colo Colo, i dont expect such a easy win.

And now Estudiantes its destroying also Barcelona, i dont expect this one also.

Corinthians, until now not showing their are a brazilian team, normally they can be 3-0 win easy against any peruvian team.

There's no winning team that doesn't constitute a big fan base, supporting system was always the major objective from the very start. Boca Juniors is an elite club with high competitive players, there were capable of doing extreme measures inother to lift the significant trophies. Juan Romàn Riquelme record a stellar performance at Boca Juniors, he earned accolades while playing for the Xeneize, he was one of the big names that period. The league seems to be more interesting, although they're not more popular than the european football, but I believe in few years, things will definitely get better.

They were good games yesterday
I managed to get both bets right, on America and Corinthians
I would not have thought that America would win 5-1, although I know that the team plays very well, I thought that Colo Colo would be more prepared to play here in Brazil

About the Corinthians match, it was extremely difficult, despite 2-1, the Universitario team played well and trying to attack as much as possible with lots of pressure all the time
There was a lot of confusion during the game, there were 5 red cards in total. The match was really a South American soccer match :D :D :D

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Today has 3 more matches for the Sudamericana, but today's macthes are not so good to bet in my opinion, maybe the Botafogo match goals over 2.75 paying 1.73 because the team is really strong, but maybe they don't go all in to spare some players
https://www.talkimg.com/images/2023/07/19/ZOiXq.png

Today is an important day for my team Corinthians, starts the round of 16 of the Copa Sudamericana, against Newell's Old Boys from Argentina
The odds are very good for the 3 matches today

I will bet on Corinthians victory

https://www.talkimg.com/images/2023/08/01/Ql6o2.jpeg

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There's also 3 matches of Libertadores

Argentinos Juniors x Fluminense
Bolivar x Athletico PR
River Plate x Internacional (hey @alegotardo, where are you? hehe)

Good duels between Argentinians and Brazilians
Are you following guys? Just watching or betting too?

Yeah today we start the best part of the cup, and we have two really good games, between Argentinos Juniors x Fluminense and River Plate x Internacional, Argentina against Brazil, lets see if Argentinos Jrs can make a hit and win in his home against a more powerfull team than them.

In Copa Sudamericana we also have 3 good matches.

Man! we cant talk about yesterday games without talking about the injury of the Argentino Juniors player, i never see something like that, because the break was in the knee and not in the tibia or in the ankle. Sad also for Marcelo b ecause he is a good guy and also he doesnt want to break him, it was pure missfortune.

About the match i dont see it but more bad luck for Argentinos in the draw if the goalkeeper was the regular that shot not ended in a goal.

River Plate make what they need to do.

It was one of the most shocking injuries I've seen in soccer to date, and I agree with you, it was pure misfortune.
I'm sure Marcelo would never do that, even more in a normal play, without a chance of goal or anything...

For those who want to see what we're talking about, it's this play here: https://youtu.be/E0S53jJD_bI?t=91

It seems that CONMEBOL may punish the player anyway.
I don't know how long Luciano Sanchéz will be out of soccer

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The result was good for Fluminense, as they have not lost away from home.
Bolivar had a good result, but I think Athletico PR can turn the game around at home, it's not impossible
River got a good result at home, but it is very dangerous to play in Brazil against Inter with only 1 goal difference, I believe Inter has good chances too

Who did better was Palmeiras who got a win away from home

Today we have Flamengo vs Olimpia and Atletico Nacional vs Racing to finish the first games of the round of 16.

A long time without seeing such a crazy game between Atletico Nacional and Racing club, man the end of the game was a complete no sense, and for me being "neutral" was really fun to see.

Atletico Nacional dont deserve any goal, but Racing defense was a pure disaster yesterday, i was think on bet for Racing in the comeback game.

Wow, that's a very beautiful video, worth every football player and fan to see, I always liked Riquelem's feints, and I think he's a master of free kicks, I would like to see more players like Riquelem, it's one of the best in the world, who has always paid tribute to him has always been Messi, well, both Argentines, and players with a great unique level of football that everyone wants to be like them.

By the way, when I saw this news, wow and I said what a level Boca Jr is going to be now, they are going to make great football that will have a very high level, I can only imagine in the Libertadores Cup when the player faces the Brazilian teams.

Edinson Cavani joins Boca Juniors on free transfer after terminating Valencia contract

https://www.talkimg.com/images/2023/08/01/QW1Xw.png


Source: https://www.goal.com/en-gb/news/edinson-cavani-joins-boca-juniors-free-transfer-valencia-contract/blt9f43ca2470823dae (https://www.goal.com/en-gb/news/edinson-cavani-joins-boca-juniors-free-transfer-valencia-contract/blt9f43ca2470823dae)

I think that the Uruguayan got where he had to go, this is going to be incredible, I don't know but I have many expectations about Boca, besides that this team has always stood out for having the most representative players worldwide.

I also wanted to comment that Salomón Rondón in River is not doing badly either, I have seen that the same coach has managed to defend the compatriot because he has had to do many things to get there, he does not have an ID and has to wait 30 minutes in line to get through , and another two hours to get to training, only the player has been able to score but 4 goals, it seems to me, but it is something that the Venezuelan has been able to do to adapt to the high level of Argentine fútbol, now with a Cavanni in the team that is River's natural rival, things will get more interesting.

it took me some time to comment on this thread, I saw this news as soon as the game ended, I confess that I had never seen something like this happen, I thought about rewatching the video, but the most I could was 3 times and I did not understand how it was possible that things reached that level, it seemed that Luciano Sanchéz's leg was ripped off instantly, that was my first impression when I saw it on TV, it's a very strange case, and as the TV commentators said that that type of injury takes at least 1 year to recover from the surgery, we wouldn't even be talking about recovery for him to play, at least he has to have 1 year for him to recover from the surgery, then comes that physiotherapy stage

for him to have a good recovery of leg movements, then he would start doing more medical exams while doing small training sessions to have the rhythm that a player needs to have, and it is a fact that for him to return to 100% as a player he would only see that from now on 1 year and a half or 2 years, that's a long time, so it won't be easy for him to come back and perform well, but as he is still very young, he still has a lot to play for, I also read that he will need a lot of surgeries and that this estimate of 1 year could still be extended, so he will need to be very patient

this case shows how there is a high risk that players are exposed to, that's why they need to earn a high salary because with that in serious cases like these they already have an early retirement, not to mention that being a player is difficult to stay playing with 40 years old, players retire early, and I constantly see cases where 5 years after they retire they are bankrupt

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in a few days we will have more games I see Palmeiras passing by and I also see Flamengo passing by. both teams beat their opponents in the first leg, but it was not a convincing victory, as they only scored 1 goal. Palmeiras will play at home and Flamengo will play away from home.

Unfortunately I didn't watch that game, but 4x2 is a very good result for Atlético Nacional. A 2 goal lead is excellent in the libertadores to play outside home, they will probably play in defense mode
It will probably be an exciting game on August 10


I remember well when Riquelme was playing for Boca Juniors, and all the Brazilian teams suffered from his ability
It was very difficult to play against Boca Juniors at that time, no Brazilian team wanted to play against them  :D


I just checked here and there is the Boca Juniors game tomorrow and Cavani might play
The player will be able to help the Boca team a lot in this libertadores and has everything to work, the player and the team have a similar style to play, with a lot of enthusiasm and willpower


I also think Palmeiras and Flamengo will pass to the next phase, Fluminense too.
It will be hard to Athletico PR and Inter, but there's good chances since both will play at home, total conditions

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I'll try to make my prediction here, share with us your prediction too guys

Classifieds in bold:

Racing x Atlético Nacional
Boca Juniors x Nacional Uruguay
Independiente del Valle x Deportivo Pereira
Palmeiras x Atlético MG
Athletico PR x Bolívar
Inter x River
Fluminense x Argentinos Juniors
Olimpia x Flamengo

Are you rooting against my Internacional?
All right, I understand you because because he lost 2-1 at Monumental de Nuñez last week, now Internacional needs to win by at least two goals difference to qualify... if they win in the "conventional" game by only a goal difference then the decision will go to penalties.

At least Internacional will have the support of 50,000 fans to boost it in this conquest, but I think that this will not be enough considering that it is in the worst sequence of the season with 7 consecutive games without winning (three defeats and four draws).

What gives me hope is that, historically, River Plate doesn't usually have good performances when playing as a visitor in the Libertadores... I hope that the excitement of the Colorado fans manages to discourage them.

With Cavani it is something else, for me he is one of the players who has the most charisma, in fact when he plays with Uruguay he shines, he is a very difficult player to reach and they don't give him an angle to shoot because he hits the ball very well and hard , that type of player is the one that destabilizes any goalkeeper a lot, even if the goalkeeper has the best training, he is a very difficult player, I remember that with a game between Portugal and Uruguay he was very injured and CR7 kindly helped him out from the stadium, but before that that game was great, it gave a lot of trouble to a CR7 that was not having a very good time. Well particularly in this match of the Libertadores de Boca vs Nacional, he looks very good, in fact Cavani can shine a lot, I hope so because many have hope for him.

So far these results have been developed:

https://www.talkimg.com/images/2023/08/09/GjUoc.png

Source: https://www.beinsports.com/en-us/soccer/conmebol-libertadores/news (https://www.beinsports.com/en-us/soccer/conmebol-libertadores/news)

These results are not bad, River fell, it is something relevant, however, noting that many good games are to come, as they have said, I would like to see well and finish, especially the games in Palmeiras, it is remarkable that when Palmeiras plays is like another level, I don't know, at least I see it that way, this team is the most outstanding for me in Brazil, and it has a lot of history, of course I do make a parenthesis here to say that the Brazilian teams in Copa Libertadores are Too strong, I couldn't say less than any of them, if a team comes from Brazil, well, you have to play very well and fast, because they have incredible speed and technique, for me Palmeiras can reach the final easily and without detracting from any team, just because the great quality that he has in his game.

Well in retrospect, here the teams that can stop the Brazilians will always be the Argentines for me, because they have a high level, in the case of River well, things clearly did not happen, but Boca remains here and I think everyone is here. In the thread we are waiting for what is going to unfold with them, how Cavani will look, how Boca will act, there are many things that we are waiting for.

Yesterday games were really dissapointing. I cant believe how CORRUPBOL can make this to the teams.

First of all Bolivar goal was totally goal, it was no reason to denied that goal, luckily Bolivar can resist the whole game and pass in pelanty kicks. And the referees know they destroy them, for that they dont show red card to the bolivar player who kick in the chest a Paranaense player. Two big errors.

The other one game was River Inter, in this one for me its a big dissapointment, because River its the only team who can cut the brazilian supremacy, so i thinka gain the champion its gonna be from Brazil. One really idiot decision by the referees here was the cancel of Solari penalty, i know him ended shoot with two feets, but it wasnt his fault, the pitch was destroyed, so for me o you take the goal, or make him shoot again, but not cancel the shoot.

In fact, mistakes continue to happen and unfortunately this will not be the last, despite the fact that Conmebol already admitted yesterday afternoon that it was in fact wrong to annul Bolívar's goal against Athletico. But it seems to me that the error in this move was not made by the VAR, but by the referee who misinterpreted the "infraction", but in fact the contact did not have a disproportionate force to score a foul.

As for the goal annulled at Internacional  River, I think it was fair, because in fact there were two touches, regardless of the player's will or not, it's the same thing when a defender hits an attacker with a slide-tackled without touching the ball, it's not a play intentional, however it is configured as an "infraction" and needs to be punished in some way... in the case of the penalty this can only be done with the annulment of the bid, there is no middle ground.

Boca suffered so much without reason in yesterday game, they can win easily but they miss clear opportunities, and also when they have to defend they defend quite bad.

Cavani debut was not so good, he have one easy chance to score in the second half and he incredible missed it.

In the other game.... Palmeiras being Palmeiras, so dominaiting in Libertadores in the last years.

Palmeiras draw in the game against Atlético - mg, with that Palmeiras moves to another phase because in the first leg game Palmeiras won, in this second leg game Palmeiras had many chances to score goals, but they kept making mistakes that it even seemed that they were doing it on purpose, but unfortunately they have been doing it in many other games, palmeiras went to another stage thanks to luck and their next opponent can also give more luck to palmeiras, I believe that palmeiras will win in the next game against deportivo pear tree, but it will be another victory that will count on luck. deportivo pereira doesn't seem to be a very strong opponent, they are on the same level as palmeiras, that's why i see palmeiras with a chance of victory

tomorrow Flamengo plays, with the very tight victory that Flamengo had, they come to tomorrow's game under a lot of pressure, they need to win and not concede goals and they won't be playing at home, so the mission will be more difficult for Flamengo, in the In the first leg, Flamengo had 75% possession of the ball, but they kept wasting opportunities to score goals, and if this is to be repeated in the second leg, which will be tomorrow, then I see the game ending in a draw or, in case of bad luck, Flamengo losing, I will not bet on this game, but if I were to place a bet I would bet on less than two goals, I see this game being a game with few goals and without much quality

Tomorrow there will also be the racing game against Atlético Nacional, when I see the first leg game and its result, I have the opinion that Racing will have little or nothing to reverse this result, in tomorrow's game Atlético Nacional will win in my opinion, it was clear his superiority in the first leg game and it will be the same thing in the second leg game and racing will not be able to change anything

Hehe I'm sorry alegotardo
I was rooting for Inter to qualify of course, but precisely because of the bad sequence of play that was doing, I doubted a little and believed that River Plate would get at least a draw playing in Beira Rio, but congratulations to Inter, got a good classification and a tough one


The Libertadores was left with:
3 Brazilians, 2 Argentines, 1 Bolivian, 1 Paraguayan and 1 Colombian

The argentinians will always be hard to brazilians hahaha, unfortunately for them, only 1 team will survive to the semi-finals since the match will be Arg x Arg = Boca x Racing.
Nice matches to watch

I'll do my predictions in a few days, and I'm believing Palmeiras can win Libertadores again, at least is the strongest team so far in the competition

Wow yes, things are difficult, when looking at the results we see a dominance of the Brazilian teams, but it is something that always happens, also Palmeiras for me is the strongest of them, it is not bad that you think they can win, they are really tough.

Now, looking at it from another point of view, the elimination between Boca and Racing is something unfortunate for the Argentine teams because obviously the representation of both is very good, and in that case I would lean much more towards Boca because Boca I see that they have quite good representation, and they have Cavani, even more so Cavani is a very good reference, and I think that will help them a lot against Racing, and whoever wins from those two teams will be a very strong rival against the Brazilians, although I say something, the teams Brazilians in the Libertadores are invincible, but I don't know what happens to them when they play the Intercontinental Cup against European teams, I don't know if you remember Santos when Ney was there, that they lost against Barcelona at that time, which was when they recruited Ney For Barcelona, it would have been epic that Ney had played at the level he played in Liertadores, I don't know if he did it that way because Messi was there or because he didn't want to hurt Barcelona, but I would have played without compassion.

So now in this Libertadores if Palmeiras or Boca, or Internacional or whatever team is going to win, that they become a lion when they play in the intercontinental, I don't know what happens to them when they play against the teams from Europe, it's as if they are scared or have a lot of respect for it, at least I'm not like that, in football it doesn't matter where they are from, and I play with my technique and that's it, without fear or anything, that's how they should play, so In this case, if Palmeiras wins, or whoever it is, they have to give it their all, they don't have to surrender or be or let themselves be seen as weak, for me the South American teams are the strongest in soccer, I don't know if it's due to lack of publicity or due to lack of sponsors, because they do not have the same relevance as football in Europe, but that dominance should be in those who play the most.

Yes and no, its unfortunated but also its lucky in someway, the level of this two argentinian teams are not so good, so at least we can ensure one semifinalist thanks to they play between.

I think Boca its gonna prevail, Racing its defending really bad and dont have that faith , that Boca have. In semifinals i think its gonna be very hard to beat Palmeiras to any of them.

For those who won against River Plate, facing Bolívar will be "easy" 8)

I just hope that the altitude factor in relation to sea level is not a reason for excuses if Colorado has a bad game performance next Tuesday, unfortunately Internacional has this bad habit of disappointing its fans right after achieving great achievements like the one he did against River Plate.

But... I'm confident and I'll bet again in favor of a positive result for Internacional, I'm still planning my advance bets.

My only concern now is with the absences, because in addition to Johnny and De Pena who are suspended, Campanharo was also injured in the last game against River... now we have to hope that nothing more serious happens in the Brasileirão game that precedes the nex Libertadores match.

Playing in La paz with the very high altitude its very hard for everyone, so in the game in La pAz im not gonna bet. In the game who its gonna be played on brazilian soil yes you can feel very confident.

But the other day when i see the game between Bolivar and Paranaense i see a very well Bolivar, and when you see the players they have you can see a lot of Argentinian and Brazilians.

I understand what you are saying, when you have to play in La Paz it is something that can be very good for the Bolivian teams because they are used to the altitude and lack of oxygen, that is something that they dominate very well there, in fact That is the factor that can determine whether a Bolivian team can have a great advantage, just taking into account when it is the qualifiers for the World Cup and it is time to play in La Paz, some take special training, with little oxygen to adapt to the climate and the pressure, the height if it hits, and hits enormously, could not be compared with a climate in Brazil, or a climate that can be seen in Argentina, however when these two titans, both Argentines and Brazilians have achieved very good results, it is As they say, the one who plays soccer plays anywhere, so here apart from all that, if it is necessary that it be seen as a possible advantage that Bolivians have in altitude, it is really strong, because if you run and feel that your lungs are not They give for more, immediately the oxygen in the body is lacking and the muscles do not respond with the strength that it is, and more in the losses, which is where most of the strength is obtained from.

I think it is very difficult to make bets because it is likely that the Bolivian teams have a masterful performance, I don't know how the Bolivians do to play as if they were doing it in a normal climate, I admire that vwerdad, but when you need air it is not pretty , it feels like drowning, I have played soccer in high places, but not with the height of La Paz, that is another level, I would not bet either.

Yes, you explained it very well, but i also think this "positive" handicap bolivians teams have playing in that altitude ended up being a negative handicap for them, lets me explain.

Bolivians teams and also national team its by far the worst performance between COnmebol teams, and i think in some way its because they rely so much on the home games, and they dont play in normal condition real football.

And yesterday was the last match of the first round of the quarter-finals

Bolívar 0 x 1 Inter
Deportivo Pereixa 0 x 4 Palmeiras
Boca Juniors 0 x 0 Racing
Fluminense 2 x 0 Olimpia

--> Inter got a great result playing at altitude, it's very difficult to come away with a win, it's nice to see you commenting on games at altitude in Bolivia

--> In my opinion, Inter and Palmeiras are almost through, they got good results away from home and now they'll decide at home, with packed stadiums and fans helping out

--> Boca vs Racing for me is an unknown, our friend darxiaomi can comment better than me, but I think there's a 50% chance of each one qualifying

--> Fluminese also got a good result playing at home, but they still have to be careful because they'll be playing away from home, and 2-0 is still no guarantee of qualification

Do you agree? Do you have a different opinion?
Who do you think will qualify, Boca or Racing?

As per my last post here, I was pretty worried that the altitude would indeed become a problem for Internacional, but even that wasn't able to stop the Colorado team.
Unlike River Plate, Internacional now has the advantage of victory and I believe they really have an excellent chance of qualifying for the quarterfinals of Conmebol Libertadores.
The interesting thing about Internacional is that they played with a defensive strategy, I believed they would be more aggressive in this game. Anyway... they won and this was Internacional's first victory in La Paz in the four matches they've played there.


If I were to bet today, it would be in favor of Boca Juniors.

Like the user darxiaomi posted, I also think that Bolivian teams end up betting too much on the altitude to win the matches, and that could even end up harming them
In the past it was much more difficult, nowadays, although it still is, club doctors and trainers have much more information and technology to combat the effects of altitude.
And talking about the home game, I think the Inter team knows they're better and will be able to play more on the attack, even though they're already 1x0 up, because they'll be playing at home and have no reason to be on the defensive. It's important to score a goal to ensure a smooth qualification


I also think that Boca Juniors will qualify, but I don't have enough conviction to make me bet on this game hehe
There are safer bets for me to make in this round
Maybe less than 2.5 goals in the match is a good bet, as the game could be low scoring

Well here we go, i support your thinking, Inter its in semefinals and Palmeiras also, Fluminense for me its 80% in semifinals, only a catastrophe in Paraguay can prevent that.

The most unpredictable amtch its Boca Racing, lets talk about, both teams are not in great shape, but Boca have better players, more important names like Cavani Romero etc, so i think Boca its gonna pass with a lot of sorrow.

Boca has signed Cavani which in attack should give them some choice to score goals,if we see their games in Superliga in Argentine they have not been doing well at all.Only Romero is not enough to save them from disasters,they need to start scoring goals and which player better than Cavani can do this.The big star players usually make a difference in important games like these ones and I think Boca is fully focused here because in Superliga they have very little chances while River Plate during this year is completely dominating it.So yes most likely I think Boca will be doing better and qualifying,if they don't achieve it then I call this a failed season for them.

Inter have already qualified
And I agree, Fluminense should have an 80% chance of qualifying

Regarding Racing vs. Boca, 3 of us think that Boca Juniors will qualify, but with difficulty it seems.



And not just Boca, but several Brazilian teams are also doing badly in the domestic league and have focused their efforts on the Libertadores or Sudamericana.
I don't know if it's good to do that, but...
Cavani is going to play, so he might actually help, see the line-up below

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There will be two games today

https://www.talkimg.com/images/2023/08/30/MeyOa.jpeg

This is the likely line-up for Racing vs. Boca

Racing: Arias; Pillud, Sigali, Piovi, Rojas; Gomez, Moreno, Oroz; Ojeda, Romero, Hauche
Boca Juniors: Romero; Figal, Rojo, Valentini; Advincula, Fernandez, Zeballos, Medina, Fabra; Merentiel, Cavani
Source (https://www.goal.com/br/not%C3%ADcias/racing-boca-juniors-onde-assistir-escalacoes-quartas-libertadores-2023/blt494eef521bb1822d)

Well finally we have the semifinals right here.

Full of Brazilians like the last years (sadly for me), plus Boca Juniors, a very bad Boca, the other day against Racing they play horrendous, they dont deserve so much, but also Racing dont make a lot to deserve the pass.

Lets see how much this Boca can resist agains Palmeiras. In the other leg, i dont follow so much the Brazilian football to know.

Yeahhhh! We reached the semifinal clashes!!!

Fluminense will have the honor of starting the first game of this duel playing at home, in Maracanã... my guess is a draw and the big decision should take place in Beira-Rio, with the international qualified for the grand final 8)

In the current campaign, Fluminense only managed to decide at home against Argentinos Juniors, for the round of 16. Internacional had the chance to win the classification at home on two occasions, one against River Plate and another against Bolívar playing in Beira-Rio.
Does it make a difference? I would say yes, because the second game is always more tense and playing with the support of the crowd helps a lot.

Looking at the other side, Palmeiras and Boca Juniors... The first leg will take place at Bombonera and the next game will take place at Allianz Parque.

It ended with 3 Brazilians and 1 Argentinian, again
I didn't like the level of Boca Juniors' soccer either, it doesn't even remotely resemble the Boca Juniors of a few years ago

From what Palmeiras have been playing, I think it's going to be very difficult for Boca Juniors to reach the final, but I can't underestimate them either and say that Palmeiras are already in the final, that's dangerous, and at least Boca Juniors have tradition
I've seen Argentinian teams score a goal and then play in such a way that it's impossible to score against them



Like a good friend, I'll be rooting for your team @alegotardo
My Corinthians have already been disqualified so I'm rooting for Inter.
I think they're fully capable of getting past Fluminense and then Boca or Palmeiras.
Inter have shown themselves to be a very good team in the Libertadores, they got first place in the group stage without defeat, in a difficult group, they got an incredible result against River Plate, who until then would have been the best Argentinian team, and then they still got a good result despite playing at altitude in Bolivia
Inter are in a good shape to play the semi-finals

seems like once more we have Palmeiras as our favorite for winning the championship
any guesses on who will be placed second or third?

do you think Boca Juniors has any chance at all?

curious to see how this will play out

My best guess is a final with Palmeiras x Inter
I think Palmeiras is the favorite among the 4 remaining teams to be the champion

But the first match in Argentina is more favorable to Boca, look at the probabilities:

https://www.talkimg.com/images/2023/09/07/mITXv.png

I bet in a draw in the first match and them a victory for Palmeiras in Brazil
Inter x Fluminense I think in a victory of Fluminense in Rio de Janeiro, them a victory for Inter playing at home and probably penalties to decide the spot in the final  8)

Do you agree with my guess guys?

I dont know HOW and WHY they see Boca as favorite when Boca cant win in the home game against a much more weaker team like Nacional in the round of 16 and also cant win against Racing in quarterfinals, so now against a brazilian team who is one of the best teams in Libertadores from last year, its a non sense.

I'm dreaming of the final of this championship already....
Did you see that Conmebol is already selling tickets?

The final of the Copa Libertadores in Maracanã (Rio de Janeiro) is scheduled for November 4th.
Even though Conmebol should only release details on ticket sales at the beginning of October, anxious fans (I'm one of them) can already buy their tickets, hotel and even tickets to the stadium in advance for prices ranging from R$ 2,500 and R$4,000 (Amount in Reais, Brazilian local currency).

Obviously there will be cheaper tickets, but those are not yet available for sale.

Would you buy, at that moment, a very expensive ticket for the championship final without being sure if your team will play in it?

I think these odds are due to the fact that they're playing at home in La Bombonera. All the indications are that Palmeiras will win and qualify, but I don't underestimate Argentinian soccer in any way, one of the countries that has shown me the most resilience is Argentina
The Palmeiras team has to go into the game thinking that it's going to be a tough game, they can't underestimate Boca


Hehehe, tough decision alegotardo, it's hard to buy an expensive ticket without know if your team will pass or not, but you can always sell a ticket to another fan
Don't forget to take a picture and post here if you go to Maracanã to watch Inter  8)

If I had a lot of belief in my team, and a lot of desire to watch a final, I think I would buy in advance, because the tendency is for tickets to become harder and more expensive to get.
I thought it would be cheaper to get the tickets, about 1000 reais at most, not 2500 to 4000 hehehe

Are you really thinking of going to the final?

Yeah no doubt about that, but Boca its really bad, the only thing they have its that mistic of being a HUGE of America and always making good games in Libertadores, the card their have is Cavani, until now Cavani doesnt show anything, lets see if he start to show his magic in that game.

Did you hear about the return of the "plate" that Conmebol will deliver to the Libertadores champion?
Last Wednesday, the president of Conmebol made the announcement that they will return to handing out the champion's plate along with the trophy to this year's Copa Libertadores champion.

If I remember correctly, they had already given a spoiler about this last month, when the Conmebol president had asked his followers on social media about the possibility of returning with this award.

An additional "incentive" for the teams that are still in contention in this final stretch of the competition.

And so far I don't think Cavani has managed to show the same form he did a few years ago (of course)
But he can still be that player who comes on in a difficult match and manages to score the only goal of the game
He's got the talent, it's just a question of whether his age will affect his performance against a Palmeiras team that's a lot younger at the moment. Boca needs to do a good match in La Bombonera


I haven't seen anything about this alegotardo
Do you have a link to the news you saw?

Well, I would say that Bonmca is not bad, every team only goes through a bad streak, be it in the Bundesliga, La LIGA, PL, in everything, but it is normal, Cavanni is not only the Boca player, he is all the 10 players they have, plus Cavanni is very good, maybe in these moments he can activate himself as he is, it's a stadium, new people, it's a game that can give a lot, especially when it comes to the fans he does the least for them , but we must also understand something, every player is under the direction of a technical director, and we don't know how much he is being pressured to do things that he is not used to, South American soccer is not like that of Europe, here in South America sometimes things seem to be more difficult, otherwise you have to take a look at everything that is seen in the Conmebol qualifiers, because they are quite difficult, in part Uruguay, which is Cavanni's team, could not beat Ecuador, so this means that Here things are more difficult, then when it comes to local leagues they are difficult, this is what you have to realize, also as I said, leagues like Argentina where a lot is demanded, all that pressure, that stress is taken by the players and it may also affect them.

In addition, when we are in Libertadores we know very well what the performance of the Brazilian teams is like, in their local league they are very competitive and the teams that are in these times are very, very good, we must not overlook them, they always show great football and these things are what we must see, in particular we know that things can happen as it is, it may be that the dominance is of the Brazilian or Argentine teams, but we must understand the difficult level that this represents here, of course From a stand we see something, but it's just the tip of the iceberg, we don't know under what direction or strategy the players are or under what particular positions they must play to comply with the scheme, all that is just complicating all this.

Boca managed to qualify for the semi-finals with a lot of effort, that much cannot be denied. In my opinion, it was much more effort and determination than anything else
In the round of 16 and quarter-finals, Boca managed to qualify on penalties after drawn matches, and of the 4 matches, they only scored 2 goals, which was in only one match
There's a lot of room for improvement, and as I said in the post above, Cavani could score a lifesaving goal at any moment, and Argentinian teams know how to hold on to a result, especially against Brazilians
But I still see that Palmeiras are at a different level of soccer, more prepared to play in more situations, with more resources and with players at their peak of performance, like Rony, Raphael Veiga, Gabriel Menino and Weverton the goalkeeper

Palmeiras is another level, I don't see another team better prepared, I think that only a Palmeiras is capable of representing Brazil in a competition or capable of presenting itself as the Brazilian team against any country in the world, so it is a great representation . For me, Boca has a very high level, these things can be very controversial, for me the Boca kids have everything to do anything, even for the Brazilians, but the Brazilians do so well at soccer, it is so natural that They play like that, the Argentines also do it well, but I think they need a good leader, someone who always directs them, a Riquelme, a player of that level who makes the midfield respectable and who steps hard on the ball, so that It is comparable to the level of the braasleros, which is really very high.


Something very curious:

Palmeiras boss Pereira winscourt order to protect her from Mancha Alviverde

https://www.talkimg.com/images/2023/09/18/6JkoW.png


Source: https://www.insideworldfootball.com/2023/09/14/palmeiras-boss-pereira-winscourt-order-protect-mancha-alviverde/ (https://www.insideworldfootball.com/2023/09/14/palmeiras-boss-pereira-winscourt-order-protect-mancha-alviverde/)

Well, Palmeiras , Everywhere you look , is a team that can Put up a Fight with Any team, even the countries that win UEFA, I don't Understand how these Teams don't excel with Europos fútbol in the Intercontinental Cup, I don't Know what just What happens to the teams that become Copa Libertadores de América, it's as if they Came out with fear, I don't know what's Happening , because their level is very High, but it's like when someone hides, or I don't know , because They play Badly , the Passes are not Accurate, the Teams usually do not excel as they should, the truth is Strange , seeing these teams with the others should raise the level when it is their Turn in the Intercontinental Cup , for me it is one of the most favorites I have the Season where Arturo Vidal Was when he was with Madrid and he did Absolutely Nothing, it's one of the Things that can Basically have a really hard Impact.

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I'm not sure but I saw that Palmeiras passed and they beat Internacional in the other Key, I saw it on Instagram but I couldn't verify the source properly.

Unfortunately, I have to admit that Palmeiras really are the best-prepared Brazilian team at the moment. It's the best option to represent Brazil.
And it's hard to say because my team Corinthians is Palmeiras' biggest opponent


This is a very bad thing that happens in Brazil. And even more so in the case of Palmeiras, where the team is doing well in the championships, yet some fans complain and have bad attitudes
There are "organized supporters" in Brazil, where many fans get carried away, lose their temper and threaten players, or fight with other supporters, it's unfortunate


It's the financial disadvantage, at least in my opinion
Even with top-level players in Brazil, European teams manage to sign all the best players in the world, so the best Brazilians are in Europe, and every Brazilian player's dream is to play for a European team. The level is different, yes, but there are still some teams from the American continent who manage to achieve this feat, such as my Corinthians, who have won the FIFA World Cup twice hehehe, the last time being in 2012 against Chelsea

Well, the thing about amateurs is something very common because it is like that, I think that in all the countries of the world they have that problem, in my country when Táchira vs Caracas plays, which is the classic of the tournament, on one occasion the people from Táchira burned the bus where The Caracas team is tranalized and these are things that should not be allowed, at the level of Brazilian football what you say is true, it is that Corinthias has surprised a lot in terms of its football, because I consider that this team is also one of the most strong in Brazil, but Palmeiras is one of the most focused on getting results, I don't know how they do it, but with Btrasil they look like playing machines, the level is very high, now as for the Libertadores championship, it is something that It gives us a lot to think about, it is normal for a Brazilian or Argentine team to arrive, it is very normal, for that reason every time Palmeiras, Corinthias, Santos play, well for me it is exciting, because these players do Incredible things, the dribbling, everything they do is a combination of Jogo Bonito.

Palmeiras' facial recognition on match tickets helps police arrest criminals

https://www.talkimg.com/images/2023/09/24/PuZGd.png


Source: https://www.reuters.com/sports/soccer/palmeiras-facial-recognition-match-tickets-helps-police-arrest-criminals-2023-09-23/?rpc=401& (https://www.reuters.com/sports/soccer/palmeiras-facial-recognition-match-tickets-helps-police-arrest-criminals-2023-09-23/?rpc=401&)

I do like that technology can be used to search for criminals, things cannot go unpunished, these types of acts can result in injuring many people and even causing deaths, so technology can stop them from doing this anymore. type of acts, these things tarnish football, sometimes they can cause the same team to be sanctioned without need, then it is not possible that because of a few they do this type of things, it has happened that in teams where the fans behave badly because the most The affected is the team, there are confederations that are very Severe with this type of punishment and it is not due to a lack of the team but of teaching them, so they are very unfair causes, I think that sometimes the security entities fail a lot here, and that is something that cannot be allowed, when they are very important parties, parties that include great rivalries, because it is Something that cannot be allowed to do any type of thing that is a nest of vandalism.

Unfortunately, this is quite common in Brazil. Events like this happen every year.
It's not uncommon for players to suffer direct threats from fans, and this year, a few months ago, Luan, who played for Corinthians (now at Grêmio), was attacked by fans who were disgusted with his performance, here (https://g1.globo.com/sp/sao-paulo/noticia/2023/07/04/video-mostra-jogador-luan-sendo-agredido-e-intimidado-por-torcedores-do-corinthians-em-estacionamento-de-motel-em-sp.ghtml) you can see the news



Talking about Palmeiras and Corinthians, there are 3 great matches to watch in south american soccer

Today in Sudamericana Cup:
Corinthians vs Fortaleza

Tomorow - Libertadores:
Fluminese vs Internacional

The day after tomorrow - Libertadores
Boca Juniors vs Palmeiras

What are your bets guys?

I'm still believing in Palmeiras' victory in the game that's happening now, I hope they qualify and face Internacional in the championship final.

Speaking of Internacional.... what game he played against Fluminense, did you see? There were high emotions in the 4 goals of the match.
The final will be in Beira Rio, at Internacional house, and obviously I am confident and betting on Colorado's victory.

This championship started without me having much confidence in my team, but that has certainly changed.

Internacional and Palmeiras, that's my guess for the championship final.

The games were so difficult that all three ended in draws hehehe  :D

Corinthians 1 vs 1 Fortaleza
Fluminese 2 vs 2 Internacional
Boca Juniors 0 vs 0 Palmeiras

But without a doubt the Inter vs Fluminense game was the best of them all, I really enjoyed watching it, chances at every minute, teams playing well, playing to win and not defensively
I think Inter have the best chance to qualify to the final, it looks like you're going to have to buy tickets to watch the Libertadores final anyway @alegotardo  ;D

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Palmeiras also got a good result with a draw at La Bombonera. Now they willdecide at home, and it's not that complicated since Boca aren't even playing well, as they showed yesterday

As a curiosity, I was going to bet on Fluminense winning that first match, but I had problems with the internet and I simply couldn't access it for a few hours. I missed my chance, but it was the best thing that happened, since I was going to lose that bet because it ended in a draw hehe, the (lack of) Internet saved me  :)

just curious here but what sports booking website is this screenshot from?

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interesting, not so common to see that many draws
sports books must be celebrating because situations like that (going against the odds) are usually good for them, I suppose.

brazil's traditional club fluminense from rio de janeiro has reached the final of the copa libertadores. the team won 2-1 away against internacional porto alegre (after a 2-2 draw in the first leg). the 2-1 victory was scored in the 87th minute by German Cano.
this is only the second time that fluminense has reached the final of the south american equivalent of the european champions league, having lost to ldu from the ecuadorian capital quito in 2008

I'm devastated by this result from Internacional!

I don't think anyone will be able to explain to me how a team that was doing so well in the championship, even defeated River Plate... how can they lose the game when it's practically over? Was it so difficult to hold on to victory playing at home? :-[
Honestly... this is something incomprehensible to me.

But, this isn't the first time that Internacional has disappointed, so I should actually be used to it by now :P
He creates this illusion in the fans to betray us when we are almost reaching the cup.
It was like that in the Fifa World Cup in 2010, and in the defeat suffered against Grêmio in 2015 and more recently in 2021 against Olimpia also in the Conmebol Libertadores.

Anyway, it was good while it lasted, but now the objective is to focus on the Brazilian championship (Brasilerão) (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5427752.0).

And tomorrow is the big day.
The Libertadores will end, at the packed Maracanã, Fluminense vs Boca Juniors

Look at the odds

Boca 3.50
Draw 3.25
Fluminense 2.20

https://www.talkimg.com/images/2023/11/03/tQ20z.png

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Will anyone be watching and/or betting?
I'm thinking of going all-in with my bankroll that I made during the competition. I've made a nice profit and I'm thinking of finishing with a bet on Fluminense. I'm confident that the team will win the title tomorrow

For those interested, the game will take place tomorrow at 5pm Brasilia time, or 20h UTC (8pm).

I was so discouraged with this championship after Internacional was disqualified, that I didn't even remember to come here in this thread.

However, this does not mean that I stopped following the news, I confess that the mourning has passed and I am very excited to watch the Conmebol Libertadores final.


My bet is also on Fluminense, I know... I should be mad at him, but I'm betting on the odds so I don't lose my money :D

Fluminense was the leader in group D, which was called by many as "the group of death", as it included River Plate, The Strongest and Sporting Cristal.
To begin with, they beat the Argentines 5-1 at Maracanã, then eliminated Argentinos Juniors in the round of 16, Olimpia in the quarter-finals and Internacional in the semi-final... with a "majestic" comeback in the imposing Beira -River.

Summary... seven wins, three draws and two defeats so far. Only a crazy person would bet against Fluminense.

It is a super interesting match, but I have been quite careful often times in terms of betting on quite close games in the Libertadores competition. It feels like these games can often get out of control emotionally and then it is hard to predict how it goes. This might just be a subjective feeling I have, but sometimes I think European soccer is a little easier to predict, which doesn't mean it is predictable at all though :p

Going all-in with the bankroll never sounds like a great idea at first, or is this your bankroll specifically for the Libertadores and you could take the loss? No doubt it would be exciting, but hopefully you won't regret it! ;) I think that the Boca Juniors have what it takes to at least make it into overtime and then everything is possible for them as well. If Fluminense doesn't win in regular time, this game will become a coin flip.

I'mk sorry for that my friend, but your team did a great job, it's a reason to be proud, reach the semi-finals is hard


And to top it all off, Fluminense are practically playing at home in the Maracanã
Even with many Argentinian fans, Flu are used to playing at the Maracanã and that counts for a lot


Don't worry hehehe, I have a bankroll for each competition  :D


You've mentioned something important: these games often get out of hand, not just emotionally, but physically too
I'm going to take this opportunity to say that this is a big difference between the teams in the Libertadores and those in the Champions League.
The situation in Rio de Janeiro is complicated.
There are an estimated 150,000 Boca Juniors fans in Rio right now.  :o

https://www.talkimg.com/images/2023/11/04/tFUEw.png
Source (https://www.cnnbrasil.com.br/esportes/video-torcedores-do-boca-juniors-fazem-banderazo-em-copacabana/)

There will probably be fights between the fans. The Boca Juniors team asked for protection, and they had to bring in their own security guards from Argentina

Ok so I thought I should come back to our little conversation and ask whether you went for it? :) I am playing in the BSFL (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5438071.new#new) if you know that and I chose Boca Juniors as the winner, but didn't work out either. Did you proceed with your bet on Fluminense being the winner in regular time? I hope you didn't! ;) But Fluminsense was a just winner I think as from what I saw they had control over the game. But as we said, these games can get out of control and there were cards en masse.

But these games from the Conmebol Libertadores are really a highlight and in terms of emotional and physical intensity definitely no worse than the European counterparts.

Ey guys totally forgot this thread, well we reached the end of the Copa Libertadores again and Fluminense becomes the champion.

Fluminense deserves the win Boca was just a mess like they were all the cup, only passing by the penalties and not winning a single game in the H2H.

I forgot about this thread, I confess that when the game ended I wanted to post in this thread, but I left home and when I came back I was doing other things on the computer and days went by and I forgot to post in this thread, but today I remembered this thread. the cup ended with an unlikely winner, at least in my opinion I saw other teams reaching the final and becoming champions, and I didn't see Fluminense getting far, that's because they have been doing poorly in the Brazilian in the sense of not being a team capable of fight to become champions. but to my surprise they managed to reach the final of this cup and became champions. and a case to say that the performance of teams in internal leagues

They should not be taken into consideration when analyzing the same team that is playing poorly in the domestic league and is going to play in cup games or international games. I don't know if this big difference is due to the different quality of the local leagues in each country. Because of this difference in performance that teams have had in local leagues and in international competitions, I have avoided placing bets on games in international competitions. In any case, congratulations to Fluminense, although 5 days have passed since they won, I still came to congratulate them on their achievement

now that the championship ended is it the end of this thread?
these are some cool threads, I hope someone created different ones for future football championships too

discussing sports betting strategies would be interesting as well

Before rdluffy block this topic, congratulations to Fluminense!

The championship final had already been played in the previous round, as Internacional was the strongest team in the championship, so after Fluminense defeated the Colorado team, beating Boca Juniors would be easy indeed :P

Jokes aside... After more than a decade, this was a title Fluminense was missing and they truly deserved this achievement, they had a great campaign and got great results.

Without a doubt, many of us saw that great final and went to the edge in it, it seems to me that Marcelo deserved it, although wow in Brazil there were many upsets about Fluminense and the Argentines well they gave a lot to talk about, of course I understand the great of being a big fan of a team, but I have to say that sometimes you have to control yourself, this is something that makes us all a little angry seeing what happened even on Copacabana beach , now, I Don't know if it's just a news story fake or something like that, but they were saying that there was a case of doping in Fluminese? Or is it a pure lie , because if so it Could cause a big problem, I don't know to what extent it could be said that the game is eliminated and you have to play it again? I don't think so, right? I'm really waiting because this was news that I saw, but since I was doing something else, I couldn't read it, but I think it's a lie, what I did See a lot and was happy about was Marcelo's reactions.

I think Real Madrid also Congratulated him, CR7 also Congratulated him, but I'm very happy that someone who comes from European Football also triumphs from his Country , from his Local Competitions and in such an important cup like the Libertadores, I also have to do I mention that here Boca did Excellent , but for a moment I thought that things were Going to turn Around , and wow the Brazilian team did give a lot to talk about, they did it excellently and I think that we cannot stop praising them , because there is There are many Who like this type of Competition because you can see the level of football in South America, and clearly the things they can do, the only thing is that in South America there is not as much Support or as much Marketing as they do in Europe , you just have to wait for it. See how the Inercontinental Cup will develop to see how each of the champions can Show themselves, so you can See the world's Trophy in terms of clubs, but for me it is the best thing that can be Done.

I think I'll leave this thread here for a few more days and close it
If anyone wants to comment, the time is now hehehe

Next year I hope you'll participate more, I always watch and follow the Libertadores, and once again it was a very exciting championship

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Everyone thought (including me) that Palmeiras would be champions, and incredibly they didn't
Boca Juniors, with several draws, went through to the next stages until they eliminated Palmeiras and came second
In my opinion, Fluminense deserved the title

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It's not an easy championship to bet on
The early stages are more predictable, but from the round of 16 onwards, the matches are very difficult to predict, especially if you're playing Brazilian teams against Argentinian or Uruguayan teams

And before I close the topic, I'd like your opinion
Even here on forum, you can see that the Libertadores is very unfamiliar to fans who don't live in South America. What should Conmebol do to attract more attention?
Because in my opinion, this championship could have a lot more attention from the general public, there are very good games, very good teams, balanced games, the famous South American "catimba", players on the rise and so on...

I wonder how those that got used to betting in the championship feel now that it ended and it'll take some months for a new one to start
must be a feeling of emptiness and lack of meaning
like losing a partner
like finishing a meal that doesn't make you feel full
or not getting any christmas gift...

sad
 :'(