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Disregard the Terrence Crawford and Keith Thurman. The match we have been waiting for is here! The two boxers who have never lost are on the same page. The date is June 17, and the location is Las Vegas, Nevada. When there were no promoters or other parties involved, the talks became effective. Terrence Crawford had previously told reporters that he would personally speak with Errol Spence and that was it. Someone that has 0 has to go. Another division that all alphabets will be unified. We are encouraging the other divisions to do the same, one champion.


https://www.badlefthook.com/2023/4/5/23670821/errol-spence-vs-terence-crawford-fight-done-deal-june-17-las-vegas-showtime-ppv-boxing-news-2023

The official announcement will be made in the Ryan Garcia - Tank Davis fight but we all know it's going to be leaked by the press to the public for public discussion, so we have two mega fights with undefeated fighters going at each and one 0 is going to go, we'll have a fruitful year in boxing if Terrence Crawford vs Errol Spence will happen but we have to wait for the official announcement and their press conference to kick off the fight on June 17.

I hope this fight will finally push through as I don't want people to be disappointed again after waiting for it for so long. However, since it's not yet official, it might be best to temper our expectations and not get too excited to avoid another heartbreak.

Regarding the fight itself, I believe it's long overdue as both boxers are great in their own era.

It's about time that we witness a big fight between the two undefeated champions to determine who is the best.

This type of fight would have happened long ago if we were still in the 90s or 80s hehe. It will be one of the many highlights in this era of boxers if this will really materialize. I'm just having reservation that it wouldn't happen even after they announced it. I have a feeling that an injury to one fighter would suddenly occur and will delay this fight further so the other will be forced to face another opponent.

This is one of the matches to see! Both of them having no losses since. I think they have those fans that will hype it up and have that kind of "match of the century" thing. It's going to be an exciting match.

It's up to their strategies and execution, for sure. With their strengths in the ring, it's tough to predict, but I would go with Spence.

Errol Spence has that power, skill, and condition. I'm basing the influence on his stats having a high percentage of knockouts. Maybe he can knock out Crawford. We will see.

I will not believe it until they officially announced it they held a press conference and both fighters are hard in training, these two fighters are making a fool of the boxing community because of too many delays and both fighters are accusing each other of delaying the fight.
Both fighters are not getting any younger, there are many new faces coming in, in the welterweight division, they must have legacy fights, and avoiding great fights is not good for their legacy, there are a lot of great welterweight boxers but unless these two collides they will not get in the elites.

It's not really a done deal. They didn't even have the date yet. But for a long time fans have been waiting for this fight, non dare to risk thier record unlike the Garcia vs Davis that is about to happen this month.  

What they could be doing is just weighing whether fans will still like to see them fight after all the talks they have before and then nothing happens. So much disappointment from the fans, they now forget them as they get old.

It's better that we hear it straight from the horses' mouths, they have different promoters what we are reading are all just articles, and vloggers, given that both fighters have a history of giving us fake and unreliable news this is not worth considering if they want to announce it on the Davis - Garcia fights that's fine as long as both fighters have a commitment to complete this deal, after seeing this thread I'm not excited because they are taking us for a ride for a long time, I will be excited when they have their first media conference, it's a sign that it's going to happen finally.

This is a tough challenge for his second fist fight, Errol Spence vs. Crawford has the best career in world boxing both are professional boxers as far as I know, as you said Errol Spence the boxer who has survived so far, as well as Crawford's fights have never lost, this is hard to predict in my opinion, but in a fight there must be losers and wins or draws.

I saw his last Errol Spence bet against Yordenis Ugas and also with Crawford i saw him beat Yuriorkis and Amir, it's hard to say who lost and won for me, but I believe in boxing between Errol Spence vs. Crawford would end up with (Draw), his second win from tough points, points even.

It is strange that the fight already has date and place but has no official announcement, what is even weird are the channels of youtube and some sites are putting the news as if it was already confirmed, in my opinion, while not something that It has been confirmed so if it should create expectations because it means that they are still negotiating, there is still no formal agreement and that is why they have not yet come to say that they have already reached an agreement, I do not know why they put such news and do not mention that still still There is no agreement and that is only a rumor

Another thing that caught my attention was that I read that the two fighters dispensed promoter and they are who are negotiating, I honestly think this is a little difficult to believe, promoters always want profits, and would not let them be aside in a negotiation of A struggle as important as this, I also believe that prosecutors have a contract with fighters, in this fight promoters are part of negotiations, while there is no formal announcement so we only have rumor

Is this really confirmed or not?  This is the fight I've been waiting to see.  Crawford isn't getting any younger I want to see him up against the best.  Honestly I still got Crawford winning this fight in a knockout.  Just think his power is too much to handle.  Either way I will be watching this one.

It started to come into my feeds and all the sports and boxing pages I'm following, but this time both camps better make it good or the boxing community will not believe them anymore, it's been a roller coaster for both camps and Things were not looking good both camps were receiving backlash from too many delays.
June 17 is just over 2 months enough time to hype the fight if they will just be true to themselves and committed to making the fight a reality.

Is this an extended April Fools joke? I speculate that this news update is being leaked by the promoters of Spence or Crawford to see if there is engagement and interest from the fans for a Spence vs. Crawford superfight after Tank vs. King Ry. I reckon the demand for a superfight from Spence and Crawford might begin dying slowly if their promoters will not get into an agreement before the end of 2023.

I don't think the delay will affect the hype of this fight. As long as both fighters remain champions and undefeated, people will still want to see their fight. The delay might be an attempt to build even more hype and make more money. If the fight takes place next year, that's okay. We already have a lot of big fights scheduled for this year, so let's save some for next year.

Once there is much demand for this fight the two might just talk to keep the deal going. They need to make sure a dome and tickets will be sold out to make it worthwhile for them to fight so that even the loser will profit.

If they see results not worth it where they can't make millions like the Garcia vs Davis fight, they will not pursue this fight anymore and will just fight Mexican boxers instead. Inoue will get both of them later.

Is there an official announcement reported yet? Or is it already official? For as long the fight has not officially deal with, changes are most likely to happen.  They are putting the boxing fans in a roller coaster ride here, making our hopes go up side down. If this business doesn't go the way they want it to happen, this match will just keep moving without any official deal made.
Well, I am one of the people who really expects this one to go through. Otherwise, it will not gonna happen this year.

True, we don't want to preempt things again, and I wouldn't be excited yet, until we really make the official announcement about this fight as we have seen what happen on the first fight, or supposedly negotiations that fell because Crawford is saying that it's all the fault of Al Haymon.

On the other hand, we haven't heard any updates on the Thurman vs Spence fight, and maybe this is one reason though.

They want to make it quiet and not to leaked anything on the media just yet. So crossing my fingers here that they are going to make this fight because we have been waiting for this.

I haven't follow the fight for a while because I thought that it's a dead end already. Just wondering though why it will have to be announced on the fight of Tank Davis vs Ryan Garcia, what significant of that it being to make that important statement?

But in any case, I agree with what the rest of the posters said, wait for it until it's become official. We have been anticipating that this fight is going to be made last year if I'm not mistaken, but the negotiations was bad and ugly according to Crawford. But maybe they patch things everything and sit down and try to understand the importance of this fight, and definitely for the money.

Of the three votes in the poll, including mine, all of us picked Terrence Crawford. I guess most of us here favor Crawford to beat Spence because he is the more exciting fighter, and we believe that if the information about the fight is accurate, then Spence might suffer his first defeat.

Based on the previously listed odds, which are not confirmed but as I recall, Crawford was listed as the favorite to win.

More likely that would be the case but thankfully they are both convinced to fight this time. Let's just hope that it wouldn't be canceled because of any sort or reason because as you said, they are delaying this fight for too long and they already gave multiple invalid reasons for not making this fight happen, now that it is already here, it should be prioritized and make it one of the biggest mega fight in the history of boxing in our era and I'm sure this one is more than the fight of Garcia vs Davis.

Is this final and official though? And they have a date already but no official announcement? and they want to tell the public and  claimed the official announcement is expected at Gervonta Davis vs Ryan Garcia on April 22nd?

I still one of those who still wanted to see this fight despite the initial negotiation ended up dead and all fingers are being pointed to the camp of Crawford as the one who stalled the fight and he has pictured to be ducking Crawford. So if it happens then mad respect for him to accept it.

There are many articles online that mention this specific fight, including the date and venue.

2023 Errol Spence Jr vs Terence Crawford fight reportedly done deal for June 17 in Las Vegas (https://www.badlefthook.com/2023/4/5/23670821/errol-spence-vs-terence-crawford-fight-done-deal-june-17-las-vegas-showtime-ppv-boxing-news-)

They said the deal is done, but the question is, have they signed a contract yet? I think we should wait for a formal announcement. I hope this fight will happen, which is why they are hyping it up again.

Both are in their prime, both are knockout artist, in short both have clean records performance and yeah. This will be one of the waited and rarest fight in boxing. So this will be so huge.
But this should have be done last year if i remember correctly, but anyway here we are already.

Match ups are just being hyped which causes changes and postponement of ideal fights. But fortunately, we will now be having this one as it is being official.

Spence and Crawford could the the battle of the year. Both are both knockout artists as their wins are mostly thru it. But In terms of experience, no doubt crawford will be advantageous over Errol. But what's the edge of Spence is being a prodigy; at a young age being with multiple titles already and if it is just potential, for sure he is one who has it. My take on this one would be Spence; I have watched his matches and he's definitely on another level with other fighters, same as the way most of boxing fanatics see garcia. Would be really interesting.

Thanks for making a thread for us to discuss about this bout OP, let's hope that we can indeed use this thread and that this fight will be later announced just like what the article you shared was saying.

As of now, I won't deny the fact that I'm very skeptical on this one especially after the fact that their first negotiations fell down. Don't get me wrong, I'm a fan of this two because of what they've done on their career but recently, Spence has become an embarrassment for being so silent and worse, they wasted Crawford's time because none of their camp really wanted it to happen.

So again, I'd classify this as a speculation/rumor regardless of what the article have said and will only believe that it will really happen if it will be announced in the Garcia-Davis fight.

They've supposed to fight last year though, so this is not the first time that we have heard them and we have waited for this fight.

Not sure what you mean by rarest, as far as I know, there are a lot of big fights in this division in the past. The thing is that both are champions in this division so obviously they will have to fight and see who's the best.

Hoping that this fight is seriously to be made and scheduled in June 17.

What i mean is in the welterweight division, forgot to mention that. And we never have an undisputed in welterweight division for very long time. The outcome of this fight will have all the titles and still have zero loss if not draw, that's what i mean for the rarest fight lol.

Well, i hope it will be held this time.

That is why people want to see this fight happen, the welterweight is one of the divisions where it is talent-laden and where great names are built I consider this fight as a winner-take-all, the titles, the wins, and of course the greatest of this era, I have doubts about this fight but there's a date mentioned so the possibility is already there, but compared to the Garcia - Davis fight there's already a hype, I guess they don't want to eclipse the Garcia - Davis fight but of course, we want to see and read both camps update.

I also wanted to hear the official announcement of this fight.  Supposed to be Spence Jr. will fight Keith Thurman this April but it looks like t won't happen?  Considering the fight between Crawford and Spence Jr. will happen on June 17, it would be a short recuperation time for Spence Jr. if he is about to fight Keith this April and might affect Spence Jr. performance against Crawford so the rumor means that Spence Jr. vs Keith Thurman won't happen?


Yeah, let's hope that the schedule of this match will be formally announced, I also one who are eager to see these two boxers match.

Yeah, I remember there is a coming Spence - Thurman fight but so far there is no news of it being canceled what is being circulated is a piece of fresh news that Spence will fight Crawford on June 17 this one needs to be validated, I already posted if they have finalized the fight there should be an official announcement and it should be two official announcements the other one, the Thurman - Spence cancellation, so let's see if within this week we'll have one, its easy to treat it as a frank, if its April 1 but we already past one week on that.

They should try and materialize this fight tho because the people have been calling this since last year, apart from that, ever since the 4-belt era has been introduced, there's nobody up until now who became the undisputed champion in welterweight division. So, I think it's already time to have one in this weight class because this division has been the weights of most elites in the past years and to know who really is more dominant, is it Spence or Crawford.

According to the same article provided by the OP, the fight is not yet a done deal based on “Dan Rafael’s sources are telling him that the fight isn’t a done deal, though the sides continue to negotiate, and that if it does get done, it won’t be June 17.”

I’m still not convinced that these 2 boxer will ever continue this undisputed fight while they still have the best career they can ever have by avoiding each other. I’m sure no one is willing to give way for the profit split since they are both undisputed. Even the most recent news is still doesn’t show any confirmation for dream fight.

You don't understand Crawford if you think he is avoiding anyone.  Dude she'd his promoting team so that he can fight whoever he needs to.  He just wants his fair share of the purse.  But the dude never ducked anyone.  It's always people ducking Crawford no one wants to go 10 full with him.  No one.

Clear enough that he was not that informed on what happened in the past few months or why the first negotiation fell through despite the fact that the fans are already delighted because both camps has commenced their discussion. For the record, Crawford never ducked anyone and he even left the Top Rank just to make the unification fight into reality but even that wasn't enough to get Al Haymon's approval. And regarding about the purse split, Crawford said it himself that he was ready to take as low as 30% because there's nobody to share with unlike Spence who had his promotional camp.

Of course, rumors will always exist about them but I think Crawford is not like other boxers who mock on others just to make noise. I'm sure that he focuses on his training since it could possibly be a challenging match for him. Spence has a good record but I guess Crawford will surely do everything to maintain a promising record. This match will surely be one of the biggest fights this year.

^ Definitely right.
The welterweight division is stacked with good fighters like them, and this fight between Crawford and Spence has probably the potential to elevate the division even further. It is a winner-take-all scenario, and whoever comes out on top will have a strong claim to being the best welterweight in the world. But as of now let us wait for further announcements which seems everybody here gave already conclusions about this fight. It is good to see that the fight is will finally happening, and I am sure that both camps will provide updates and hype leading up to the fight.

Not really, they can be undisputed champion but being labeled best welterweight in the world is overstatement, there are lots of better boxer than these two in the history of welterweight boxing division.  We can label the winner as the undisputed but not the best welterweight in the history of boxing.


Hopefully we get the confirmation sooner so that we won't end up hanging for too long and then at the end all the hopes is for nothing.  I really wanted to see these two boxers fight due to the rumors and controversy that happen between these two boxers before like one is ducking the other one thing.

The dates are not official yet, i like Terrence Crawford and it is one of the most anticipated fights because both are undefeated and i like both of their fighting styles and in their prime and usually Boxing promoters does not put great fights often ;D.

Coming into the fight, i am going with Terrence Crawford as he is precise with his striking and has a solid defense while Errol Spence overwhelms opponents with his aggression and might be the hardest puncher between the two. Either way a treat for the fight fans.

Good news though for the boxing community knowing this fight is one of the anticipated fight for too long.

Lots of dramas already happened and some even gave up already that this fight will be materialized for real.

Although for me, not unless a formal and official announcement will be made on April 22, as per stated on the article, I will not still look forward for this to be happened for real. Let's wait for the official announcement.

Don't expect until it was clear in the sky that everything is official.

Although lots of sport news website gives buzz on that news, to avoid being frustrated, we just have to wait for the official announcement. I'm looking that this fight will now happened as people are too sick on these expected fight but will fail at the end.

Intense announcement! let's wait.

It's a good news indeed, for someone who doesn't know what happened on their first negotiation ;D

But for those who knew what really happened, we cannot really blame them if they were acting that way or not yet convinced that it will really happen in June because even us here in this forum who are following the news about the unification fight isn't that convinced unless it will be announced officially in the Tank Davis vs Ryan Garcia bout.

There's no need to be excited about it for now because anything can happen along the way, we can't know for a fact if Al Haymon and Spence is playing again or not.

Quite a bit interesting why would they wait for Ryan Garcia vs Gervonta Davis fight until they announce it when they can always have their own press conference and announce that the unification fight between Terence Crawford and Errol Spence Jr. is finally happening after all the back and forth happened in the past few months. Apart from that, they should also explain what happened about the Thurman vs Spence fight because Thurman fans are also eager to know.

That is the question that we all have in mind, the only common denominator maybe the handlers of the Garcia vs Davis fight is also involved in the Spence vs Crawford fight? I don't know. As you have said, they could have their own announcement, they can even do it this weekend or what ever date they want. But what we heard is that the official announcement will be done that April 22.

Or if this is already official and every boxing news outlet are reporting it already, then it could be true and probably no one is going to wait for that April 22 date to hear it from them.

i have the feeling that spence's camp didn't see much hype with the thurman fight. and now, they finally decided with the crawford fight. based from early poll here in the forum, most are rooting for crawford. i can understand the sentiments. crypto casinos haven't listed this yet. but early favourite is showing that it is crawford. so the odds may be close on this one. just look for other betting lines once bookies listed this match.

In the first place, the whole idea of the fight between Spence and Thurman is really a disappointment.

Honestly, even though Thurman is not the supposed opponent, the whole fight that favors only Spence is really crap.

Let's wait if this fight will really materialize for not or will become again a failure of the year.

It doesn't mean that even most boxing news websites are reporting it, we can call it official. It was the same on the first negotiation last year, it's almost on all news websites but failed even though the negotiations are publicly active.

Without an official announcement, don't take the chance that it will be pushed.

We should already learn our lesson especially involving Spence lol.

Yes, it's supposedly a 147 lbs, but Spence says no, let's fight at 154 lbs and with no belts on the line, and they allowed it to happen and then the fight is a go. However, after the initial announcement, the fight seems to be on hold.

So it's good thing that this fight is not going to happen because it's absurd, and we even say that it might set a precedence. That governing bodies will allow this fight.

And then we heard about Spence vs Crawford, good. But then as what has been reported, we will have to wait for the official announcement in the Davis vs Garcia fight.

This fight is a mega fight. This should happen because the boxing fans around the world are not only hoping that this happens, they demand for it. Not only that, both boxers also want this fight to happen. That's why I don't understand why promoters cannot reach an agreement. Isn't it that they should prioritize the fans or even the fighters they are handling? These greedy promoters are not only milking the fighters, they are also hindering the best fights to ever happen.

I'd say that I somehow expected that the Thurman vs Spence fight is just a front of whatever their camp are planning and eventually, that fight will fall into pieces because aside form that fact that they haven't got any established date for that mandatory fight, there are no downsides on it as why would the governing bodies order a mandatory title defense fight to a weight class that the boxer doesn't have any belts.

That alone, we can somehow say that they are planning something and maybe that is the reason why they are silent all this time. And now we can't even say that this rumored fight will happen or not or are they buying again another time, we just don't know for a fact. Those poor boxers at the back of the line are growing old without having the chance to fight for that belt that Spence is currently holding.

That man should be stripped and the industry should make a rule concerning that issue so that this scenario will not happen again in the future. Or should I say there would be no Mayweather wanna be in the future.

The report of this rumored fight now became hyped as it's really going to happen.

But again, sh*t happened and we should not expect this fight to happen at 100% not unless an official announcement will be made.

Save the date, April 22, that's the ETA for the official announcement of this fight.

This is really should happened because there's nowhere it should go the other way. An unification fight is always mandatory for those champions at the same division that holds their respective belt for long. They are also the top ranked boxers at 147 and they need to face each other no matter what.

Last year, it's almost a done deal but still failed at the end. This year, the news came out and they are expecting to face each other now. Although the information is still lacking, I hope there will be no dissapointment that will happened.

This is also what I'm waiting. The official announcement.

Like you, I've also seen numerous articles regarding the fight. Some are doing a bit of a clickbait-y one saying that it's done, but if you will read the article, it says there that both parties are still in talks. Well, if this match will be happening, I guess boxing fans will be the happiest fans this year. :D

I mean Tank Vs. Davis, and Spence JR. Vs. Crawford, and I expect more in the future for some popular boxers. That 2 fights alone might be a candidate for battle of the year.

Will wait, but will not expect too much from it, so that it will not be that hurtful just incase it will not happen. :D

Yes, it is still possible a glitch will happen somewhere along the way and this match will once again be postponed and canceled. But with the two directly talking to each other without the involvement of other third parties that are usually the ones who muddle the negotiations, I am more positive that this fight will finally happen. After all the two fighters are the ones who started the initiative to do something about this mega fight.

You know, it's wild to ponder the essence of unification bouts in boxing, and why they're so vital to the game. It's all about proving who's the top dog in the division, building a fighter hierarchy. Simultaneously, it's about the thrill and exhilaration for the fans. We're all eager to watch the crème de la crème duke it out and deliver an unforgettable performance. And, honestly, I'm feeling super goofy and chummy about the chance of this colossal fight finally going down. It's been a minute, and I believe both fighters and their fans can't wait for it to happen. Sure, there's always a risk that things could go sideways, but let's keep our spirits up and pray this showdown proceeds as planned

This match will surely be an exciting one because both boxers have a clean record, having no losses at all. Both of them are known in the boxing industry having a reputable name and incredible ability to fight inside the ring will definitely make an impact and noise on sports betting in upcoming months. Crawford has nice footwork and powerful strikes which makes him a strong opponent and certainly someone you would really want to be wary of inside the boxing ring because he can take you with a knockout. Meanwhile, Spencer is a powerful one as well which has a good speed, stamina, and good striking punches as well that shouldn't also be ovverlooked.

However, in this fight, I'm more confident on the ability of Crawford to win the match. Not that I'm underestimating Spencer, but Crawford has more experience and has proven himself numerous times already looking at his records and he has the aura that isn't giving up no matter what happens. But I guess we'll just have to wait and see. After all, the bout is just almost two months away from now.

That's normal. We choose our fighter as it will make the fight exciting to watch. Although both are great boxers and champions, we choose which side we think will win, especially if we are betting at the same time. It's not going to be easy for either fighter, but at least we will finally see them fight, which will prove the doubters wrong that one of them is evading this fight.

Too quick to say if we will see them fight, it's not from an official site this fight will happen at June 17, one or both them are still evading this fight. It will be disappointing if this fight will never happen, they're just want to stay in their comfort zone after they've collected and defended their belt.

There's always a boxer should able to beat them, if they want to move to the next weight, it's not prevent them to risk their record except they want to stay without any title.

I have read some articles mentioning that Tank Davis fired Floyd Mayweather as his promoter, however, other articles mention he still is Tank's promoter. Similar to Terence Crawford, there are rumors that imply Mayweather is promoting him for a fight against Spence. I speculate that if Mayweather is really the promoter of Crawford and Tank, I reckon there will certainly be an announcement on April 22. However if not, this might only be another marketing trick for us to watch Tank vs. King Ry hehehhehee.

Floyd Mayweather Jr. isn't connected anymore to Gervonta Davis's fight because the latter already severed his ties under Mayweather Promotions. The latter also revealed that he wanted a much bigger paychecks that's why he is now flying solo and there's no evidence that suggests that Tank is still with Mayweather especially in this fight. We know that Mayweather promotions won't be alive until now if Al Haymon wasn't there to provide his service.

Tank Davis was just wasting his time under Floyd because just like what happened to Rolly Romero, their talents are just being put to waste to only fight boxers that doesn't stand a chance against them as it's just a pure moneymaking for Floyd. Simply put, they are just limited under Floyd's banner.

C'mon mate, it's clear as day that one of them is evading this fight and I wouldn't say that it is Crawford because he already provided his statement.
Anyway, it's not that new anymore because these two have been going back and forth while trying to make the fight since then. Only this time it's almost inevitable because there are no other belts available to grab and they should settle this once and for all who's truly the champion and more dominant in the division.

That is why it is much better to keep some safe distance rather than biting these speculations especially if the names Crawford and Spence are linked to it, and as long as either one of them isn't confirming these rumor that they are indeed discussing the terms of the fight. It's more like these two seems like water and oil, they just can't be mixed.

They should vacate their belts if they aren't making fights as there are more deserving to have that belt and probably will give the fans the fight they wanted.

April 22, 2023 - Save the date people because that's the day of their announcement and that's also the day where we will know the winner of Tank vs Ryan fight.

Few more days to go and we will all know the real update between Crawford vs Spence's unification fight and most probably, we will know as well what happened to the Thurman vs Spence fight at 154 and why the negotiations failed. I honestly can't wait what Spence's camp have to say because they always got an alibi even if it's not that convincing.

For sure all fans are waiting for this day to see if there is a official announcement of the fight or if this is just April Fools joke from them. On the other hand, I think we are all lock in on the Ryan Garcia vs Tank Davis fight.

But still though the biggest fight that we wanted to see is Spence vs Crawford for all the belts on the line at 147 lbs.

Thurman is also not saying anything about the media about his supposedly fight and it might give us a hint that it's not going to happen because Spence is now going to fight Crawford. However, we need to wait for everything to make it official.

Thurman being quiet on the issue makes us wonder why, the Crawford - Spence is already everywhere it's not a secret big boxing media and pages are posting this, we are sure that it already reaches Thurman's camp, there's a big possibility that Thurman agreed to the fight and preferred to keep quiet and let both camps do the announcement and he'll just do a follow-up after an official announcement on the said date.
Both threads the Thurman - Spence thread and this are open so anything is not sure until there's an official announcement.
There is a poll here I am not yet voting until there's an official announcement this is still a speculation thread.

Most likely that is the case, that's why even though Thurman vs Spence is being expected this month, we haven't heard anything from Thurman himself. The odd thing is that he is also on the media and opening his mouth. But this time, he wasn't even mentioning in whenever he is being interviewed which makes us believed the fight could have been a diversion for the much anticipated Spence vs Crawford.

Just a week from now we will learn if the fight is going to happen. Don't want to put my hype on it, but maybe we will finally see the Spence vs Crawford after all.

Yes, I just remembered it. This month was indeed the month where Spence and Thurman was supposed to fight as the last article that released months ago regarding this fight said that they are looking forward to make the fight happen in April. But since time has already passed and we're already in the middle of April, I think we will have an interesting announcement next week because if the Errol vs Thurman will happen, they should've reported a final schedule last month as we know promoters and organizers needed an extra full 1-2 months to advertise a fight.

That's why when this fight is announced, it's been months before April. And with that we have a lot of time to discuss and share our opinions and debate about the supposedly Thurman vs Spence.

But as time goes by, everyone is scratching their heads because there was no update, no press conference kick off, no nothing. As if they just announced this fight to show that it's in the works. But obviously, by this time, this just could be some tactics or to hide their real intentions, Spence is secretly negotiating or the other way around, Spence is on the table and talking to Spence and his camp once again. So we will hear the big news this April 22.

Yes, I agree. We're already giving too much speculations about Thurman vs Spence vs Crawford, it's best for us if we should just wait for the date that they will announce the fight because I reckon that we won't be missing that specific date because they will announce it in the Ryan Garcia vs Gervonta Davis fight, which is the fight that a lot of us here are watching.

On that same day, all our questions up in our head and what we are discussing here will probably be answered, hopefully.

Sometimes I can't help but think why Spence is playing this way, he could've had some safer fights rather than to wait for the governing bodies to give him the mandatory fights which is now inevitable because IBF is making their way to give Spence another mandatory, so it's either he will face Crawford or face the mandatory boxer, Boots Ennis and if he won't make some move, he will be stripped and the IBF will be vacated. So hopefully, there's indeed a news in the Ryan Garcia vs Tank Davis fight. Hopefully it's against Thurman or Crawford.

I guess, by now, we should be already accustomed to it as it is already given and already happened various times that the belt holders with influential promoters will always have their way. We might not have any concrete evidence to point out what who's who and what happened but we are also not that dumb to know that these sanctioning bodies are in someone's payroll.

Just be patient mate, the most awaited date is already around the corner. We just have to wait what will be their announcement as either way, we will still witness a good fight and it doesn't really matter if it's Crawford or Thurman against Spence as both bouts are asked for many.

Even the betting people have their own wave of gambling, the boxer will have their own change in the game. The game was bet based on the player knowledge, but due to the practice the game was changed over by the player hard work. We can definitely say anything at the equal power player. This two boxer was good at boxing with huge arm power. So the punch of the two players will be same and it will create equal impact on the boxer. The people with good patience can easy find the exact winner. Both fan base of two players will act Nile biting at the match day. But the match day only decide the winner based on the performances. The players should keep their stamina till the day was begin, the practice for the game should not stopped before the match day is essential one. Crawford had the good coaching as compared to the Errol.

I think we should take out Keith Thurman now as there's not even a bit of fresh, updated, and recent news about him. It's like before that he is not active and may be on hiatus again. Even prior to the sudden news about this rumored fight between Terrence Crawford and Errol Spence (I say rumored, as no official announcement yet), anything about Thurman is out of the news.

Back to the topic, yes we should expect the official announcement on this fight on April 22 as stated when this news came out. Maybe after the fight between Ryan Garcia and Tank Davis, an update will be followed.

The June 17 date can't be considered as the official date without the official announcement. It was not yet a done deal until it was announced officially.

Thurman's camp behavior is in conflict with what they always do when they have a fight, they have the fight to sell but they are quiet, all camps are quiet on this issue, Crawford, Spence, and Thurman camps I think they all agreed that they will not to talk to media until the official announcement, I'm sure Thurman is compensated to fave a way to a Crawford - Spence fight and I'm sure whoever wins the match he will be the first challenger, which is a good opportunity for him because he will be challenging for an undisputed title.

It's better to be quiet if there's no assurance that the fight will happen. I'm pretty sure they are being more careful now to not disappoint the fans, as the Spence vs Crawford fight was highly hyped earlier this year. Once the deal is finalized, if there is one, then it wouldn't be hard to sell the rights since both boxers are popular. It's a big fight that fans are eagerly anticipating to watch.

In my perspective, even June 17 seems to be a short time frame for them to prepare, train and market this rumored bout because this is a unification fight and the winner will be the undisputed and not just any ordinary fight that won't be needing some time like 2 months from the announced date. June 17 is already around the corner because next month is already May, I don't know but I'm still skeptical about it.

Spence-Crawford: Showtime’s Espinoza 'Optimistic' Fight 'Gets Done,' But No Announcement Saturday
 (https://www.boxingscene.com/spence-crawford-showtimes-espinoza-optimistic-fight-gets-done-no-announcement-saturday--174007)

Maybe they just build up hype. It's confirmed already that no official announcement will be made, supposedly on April 22nd, before or after the fight between Ryan Garcia and Tank Davis. All talks are just being positive and that's it. The same scenario last year lol.

That's why I'm really skeptical and doubtful that this fight will just be right away materialized out of nowhere when this news came up. But still, let's wait if there might be a surprise before or after the fight later on between Garcia and Davis.

Well then if no announcement will be made later, hopefully, both parties can finalize the deal this year even though the fight won't be on June 17.

Both camps including Thurman are quiet because they do not want to take out the media and public attention on the coming Garcia-Davis fight a fight that could possibly become the fight of the year, but after the fight, we will see the real and clear scenario if this Crawford - Spence will eventually happen this June, they should clear it officially because Spence camp is selling the Thurman fight and they don't want the sales to suffer.
We have a lot of drama between the two, but the Garcia - Davis also has a lot of drama in the past before they eventually settle to fight this year.

I don't see what's the connection of either Thurman's or Spence's camp being quiet just to give way for the exposure of the Garcia-Davis fight.

It doesn't matter whether Thurman, Spence, nor Crawford will make some moves and announced it to the public since it will never ruin the public attention of the Garcia-Davis fight because that fight is also one of the biggest anticipated fights for a long. There is no way that anything about Thurman, Spence, and Crawford can affect its public attention as the Garcia-Davis fight will still be exciting and surely, sold-out.

But as stated above, there's a chance that no announcement will be made about Crawford vs. Spence fight in the Garcia vs. Davis fight later on but still let's wait. Just a few hours of waiting before the latter event and we will see if they will give at least information about the Crawford vs. Spence match.

Despite all of the positive talks that Errol and Terence is now engage in negotiations, the public is still not buying that especially after the fact that they didn't follow what they've said that there will be an announcement regarding about them before or after the Tank vs Ryan fight. Instead of hyping their fight or whatever they call it, they should make a public announcement or some clarification because by the looks of it, their image is already scathed because of what they've done.

Crawford should engage the public because aside from Spence or Thurman, he is more known to make some statement and the public is more confident to him.

We have reasons not to because everything was almost good to go but they stopped their negotiation because of the very small details in the contract, they have taken the boxing community for a ride now they are messing with the Thurman - Spence fight, the two camps should take a lesson from Tank and Ryan they agreed to all the terms just to make the fight.
 
If it happens the Terrence Crawford vs Errol Spence is the fight that could possibly eclipse the recent Ryan Garcia - Tank Davis match, so they have to move mountains to make it happen.

We all waited for the announcement that didn't come, but at the back of my mind, it's telling me that there's nothing to be announced on the first place as this could be just what we thought could be, just April Fools joke.

Anyhow the Ryan Garcia vs Tank Davis super fight is over. And we thought that this could be the next big thing but no word whatsoever. At least we still have the Haney and Loma fight next month and other good fights in the horizon.

And this two are just making a fun of us boxing fans, just saying.

This would be the toughest fight ever once pushed. Both are undefeated and are actually undisputed boxers who are well-skilled in their own craft. Regardless of their age difference, it’s still hard to predict as who will end up as being beaten and who will definitely become the last man standing inside the ring. But if we will look into their past matches, I guess I would vote for Terrence Crawford, he’s not getting any younger and yet, his performance is not aging.

I really don't believe that they got some misunderstanding in the contract that's why their first negotiation failed and apart from that, Crawford already explained to us that there was never a contract to begin with and if that was the problem, he iterated that he was ready to accept as low as 30% but still nothing happend, so it was just a plain waste of time because Spence doesn't want it at that point.

I'm still waiting for the official statements of both sides on whether this fight will be continued or just a dream match. I just saw yesterday a tweet on twitter that possibly the fight will be announced this week. I hope they got inspired by Tank Davis and Ryan Garcia risking their zeros to entertain the boxing fans. It's time to build up the negotiation again and stop ducking each other.

Oh well, for now, at least for myself, I will stop speculating on this fight. We have heard so much that we think that this fight is not going to be made. At least we have seen one big fight in Tank vs King Ry and I would say that it's not a disappointment to us, not ducking, just pure negotiation and then fight is made. Unlike in this two high level boxers, they supposed to be the face of boxing and yet they couldn't make the fight and settle everything. Both of them wanted to be the A-side which is not going to work.

Breaking news, when we thought that the fight is dead, this news surface in the last 12 hours or so,

https://www.talkimg.com/images/2023/05/24/Screenshot-2023-05-24-at-23-56-31-Mike-Coppinger-on-Twitter28ebb3f48bc62ea0.png

https://twitter.com/MikeCoppinger/status/1661148759722545152

I know, we have to wait for the official announcement, but Mike Coppinger is reliable source so boxing fans for sure are excited again to hear that this fight is going to be made.

Yes, I know Mike's quite reliable when it comes to delivering updates and he's already well known for it as most of his announcements are from the camps directly and not just from hearsays or something like that. So there is a huge chance that what was he saying will come true.

But for this instance, people have already hoped too long and some are even giving up the idea that these two undefeated champions will ever face each other in the same ring. So just like them, it's best to wait for further notice until the fight will literally happen.

^^ Yes, we are tired of hearing this news and having a date for this fight. So let's wait and see if there will be official announcement. I know that everyone gets excited when he hear news about this fight, but how many times that we heard and then there is no announcement?

Although it's good to hear that a name popup as a advisor for Terrence Crawford, we all know that he had no manager after he didn't sign with Top Rank. So that it a first hearing a name then in this negotiation.

If this happened in July 29 as scheduled, it will be one of the biggest event of the year together with Fulton vs Inoue on the same week. Just imagine that, this fighters are all undefeated and most likely in the p4p rankings (maybe except Fulton).

Fulton vs Inoue - July 25
Spence vs Crawford - July 29

Now the only thing to do is wait for the announcement of this fight that it is all set. And yes, it's all over the social media now.

The wait is over guys, official announcement already been released by both camps, and PBC in their official social media accounts.

https://i.ibb.co/WG5vLYx/Screenshot-2023-05-26-at-05-43-13-18-Premier-Boxing-Champions-premierboxing-Twitter.png (https://ibb.co/4KtRH5m)

https://twitter.com/premierboxing/status/1661789157662883845

I suggest to the OP to update the date, it's set for July 29.

Seeing lot of fans already debating this one, hehehe, of course each one of us will have our own prediction. And this could be huge fight in July as we also have the Fulton vs Inoue as well.

Unification fight, both undefeated, both in their primes.

As per Sportsbet.io, Crawford is the favorite, 1.66 against Spence 2.09 ML.

Finally, the fight every boxing fan has been waiting for is now sealed. I guess this is already 99% happening. Odds are already released as well.

Still, I think Crawford is winning this match. As a matter of fact, to be quite frank, although this is a battle of undefeated fighters, I don't see this as a 50:50 match. I agree with the odds. Spence deserves to be the underdog. The last time he fought was more than a year ago. And then he had no fight in the whole of 2021. In his last few fights, he only had a UD against the two Garcias, Danny and Mikey, and only a split against Porter, who Crawford knocked out.

Yes, it's already official now, Crawford and Spence has announced it to their social media already.

Crawford is the favorite, I'm not surprised though, I mean he has face tougher opponent that Spence in my opinion. And that Porter fight might be a good gauge as Spence went and it was very close fight, while Crawford just toyed with Porter and even if he is the aggressor, Crawford just want for the right time to knockout and I think that is the last fight of Porter.

I'm just surprised though that majority of boxing fans are not into this thread. They said that the want this fight and really disappointed that it was not done and should be announced in the Garcia vs. Tank fight, but here we are right now. I'm expecting that this thread is going to blow out.

Just to fully prove that the fight is official, here is the article from CBS Sports.
https://www.cbssports.com/boxing/news/errol-spence-vs-terence-crawford-fight-long-awaited-undisputed-welterweight-title-bout-set-for-july/

One of the most awaited fights in the sport of boxing and I am glad the odds are not that far.
Thank you @Baofeng for sharing that.

Both undefeated, all titles will be put in line and whoever will win shall claim it all making him the 4 division title holder. I bet the tickets here will be more expensive than the Tank Davis - Ryan Garcia fight. Then, the pay-per-view price might also break the record of the most expensive PPV in boxing.  ;D
I don't like expensive stuff but this is something that should not be missed if you are a boxing fan.
I will probably bet on Spence on this match, inactive for over a year but I doubt the skills will be gone just like that. A little younger with a fighting style that wears down his opponents.
Overall, it's actually hard to predict, it's a perfect match.

Is it because many of the fans are already tired of talking and waiting for this fight to happen? And when it is finally announced, the hype is long gone? Or is it because this fight is long overdue and, contrary to what others say, these fighters aren't anymore at the top of their careers? Crawford is in his mid 30s already and Spence is just 2 years his junior. Or is it because they're not anymore the brightest stars in boxing today? Or possibly because they weren't fighting big names anymore in their previous fights? Promotion could also be an issue.

The hype surrounding this fight is enduring. They can make it happen whenever they want, as they know people will eagerly watch and pay for the pay-per-view. The Garcia vs. Davis fight was a huge success, which likely inspired the promoters to seek their own successful event that would generate substantial revenue.

For me, it's been a long time coming to see two champions face off and provide the fans with an undisputed fight. It will undoubtedly entertain the fans, and I truly hope that this time around, the intentions are genuinely serious.

Referring to anything related to this fight, and there's already an official announcement, posted also on both boxer's respective social media platforms, even on the Premier Boxing Champions (PBC) website, we can now expect that this fight is now 100% "for real".

No more bullsh*ts, no more crap, no more dramas, no more giving false hope, etc.

Terence Crawford: "If I get him hurt, I'm Going For The Knockout"
Errol Spence: "As soon as I get in the ring, I’m stepping, and I expect him to step too. We’re going to put on a great show.”

It was also reported that's there a rematch clause included in the contract:

 Crawford And Spence Have Rematch Clauses In Contract For July 29th (https://www.boxingnews24.com/2023/05/crawford-and-spence-have-rematch-clauses-in-contract-for-july-29th)

This rematch between Errol Spence Jr. and Terence Crawford is necessary, given that both fighters are champions. One fight alone is not enough for them, and personally, I believe this bout will not go the distance, resulting in an entertaining fight that could end in a knockout. Both fighters exude confidence in their ability to emerge victorious, which heightens the excitement for fans. Once the betting odds are released, it would be wise to place bets early. However, I have a hunch that, similar to previously reported betting odds, Crawford may be favored to win despite Spence holding more belts.

Or most likely we are still in the hype of Garcia and Tank Davis and it's after math? (Garcia switching trainer/coach).

Or the hype on the Loma vs Haney, wherein we see robbery and majority see that Loma should have won?

Or Tony weeks early stoppage on a big fight (forget the boxers though)

But still this should be talk about right now, but let's give boxing fans here some time to digest this fight and for sure this will really be one of the most discussed boxing threads.

Thanks mate, if surely has the making of a good and interesting fight, might not be as huge as Pacman vs Floyd but for sure this could be a million PPV buy easy for this two as we all know that we have been waiting for it and this is a legacy fight for them.

And it's good that we have a rematch clause at least we going to be treated for another fight.

Yes, everyone is going to be excited now, as this is official. No more waiting for us fight fans.

I guess they have to put the rematch clause to ensure that the loser will have the chance to fight again and avenge his lost. And obviously, this is a money fight, so  rematch will really give them another huge payday. Specially if the fight is close, fans are going to clamour for a fight and then willing to play to watch it live or even PPV, win-win for both camp.

Right, Crawford is the favorite, doesn't surprised me at all, perhaps bookies sees that the long layoff of Spence might affect him in this fight.

So the ball is on the side of Spence to show that he should be the favorite and bet Spence clearly be the best pound for pound.

Yes, the fight is official sealed by both parties, odds are showing that Spence is the underdog.


I think one of Crawford's advantage here is that he can adjust on the fly, he can fight both lefty and orthodox and majority of his fights are won because of that as his opponents can't adjust to this style. And then his sharp shooting, he has a knockout power and he hasn't been chin tested in his career. As compare to Spence who almost goes down against Ugas. And if Crawford lands that left hand, we will see if Spence can hold or will simply go down because of the power. And yeah, he fought more than a year ago so ring rust might be a factor too.

Depending of the outcome because if it's already clear enough that one party has been dominating the opposite party, then maybe a rematch wouldn't be needed unless of course if there is still a hype surrounding them afterwards because that will be factor that will be looked by the promoters and organizers to push through a fight.

Anyway, let's just focus first in their first fight because we've waited this for months and months, and a rematch might look a bit blurry as of the moment knowing that it's another discussion between both camps that will go back and forth and possibly, worth a couple of months again before these two camps will agree.

Rematch will be useless in the eyes of the promoters and the boxing community if one fighter totally dominated the other fighter, for high level like these two its good to have a rematch but will totally depend on the outcome of the first match and how attractive it is to go for a rematch.
if the fight is too close they can still go for it and we'll have another hype like the first fight if the fight ended by total domination of another fighter the dominant fighter can opt for a higher take of the purse on the rematch.
So much speculation on the rematch but what we really want is to get this one over and hopefully, we'll enjoy it and live up to its hype, and be worth the spectators' money.

A rematch clause is just written on their contract if in-case such incidents will happen where the bout is close enough and the defeated side still got a chance to make a difference on their next fight, hence the name. But if there will be no clause like the one that is mentioned, then it will be useless to do a rematch even if the bout will come out so close because in most cases, the winning side will just proceed in the next phase of their career and declining about the possible rematch as they have the right to decline anything that is not written in the contract.

Even here in the forum, a lot of users are rooting for Crawford to win. Well, this is a good challenge for Spence.
As he knows that he's the underdog on this fight, he has strong motivation to seriously prepare for this fight.
This fight is a lucrative one for both boxers, and they will be earning good money no matter what.
The OP can edit the date to July 29 though, happening in Las Vegas, Nevada.

https://www.mmafighting.com/2023/5/25/23737604/terence-crawford-vs-errol-spence-jr-finally-official-for-blockbuster-july-29-fight

There is also an interview on Crawford stating that Spence told him that he took the easy route and fight Porter Jr. And then Spence calling Crawford too short for the 147 lbs and then him responding by pointing out that Spence is too fat, Lol.

So yeah the trash talk has started already since the official announcement of the fight. And whenever I check social medias like Twitter, either both or one of them are trending. And with that, it means it has now gathering steam and hype (again).

Trash talks seem to be one medium of hyping their fight and the more it gains attention and interest. Of course, their supporters will keep throwing vias decisions. But I like how it works and it changes the odds, a spike is possible to happen as the date of the fight gets closer. Both teams are preparing so well but I give my vote to Crawford, he got all the advantage over Spence. And I see his confidence to win the fight which is also a big factor.

That just shows that both of them exactly knew how to handle and market the fight because even though they know the fact that their fight will be a sold-out one, they just cannot take the chances of coming short when it comes to marketing it as there is also some factor that audience might have already lost some of their appetite due to the reasons of failing to materialize their fight few months ago plus there's the likes of April Fools prank of saying that they will announce the fight in Garcia-Davis mega fight, which also did not happen. So yes, this is their kind of thing to cover up what they have done in the recent months that have passed.

Yeah, it seems that in any kind of games there are some team who needs to have this kind of rivalry maybe in order for them to have more viewers? or to gain more popularity and bets. I just don't it when it is too obvious that trash talk and below the belt literally trash talks are not good. I give my vote to Crawford because I believe having a good kind of confidence will take him to be a champ.

A rivalry even before the event is planned is what the promoters and organizers are praying for as that literally means millions of dollars of profits to them, but sadly, even if the fight is already assumed a sold out fight even before they materialized it or even how big the hype is, sometimes conflicts between networks and politics are the main few things that hinders the fight and why some big fights that are asked by many are not happening.

I got Crawford taking this one.  I know there is a guaranteed rematch clause if the lower wants and a third if it's split.  What's the chances this runs into a trilogy?  I haven't been this hyped about a fight for a long time.  This should be a good one.  I just hope it's not completely one sided where the lower bows out and goes a different direction.  Crawford 10th round two is my guess.

I'm seeing a trilogy between them is possible if:

- if no boxing politics will ruin that or any dramas like what happened on how long this match got materialized
- if both boxers will not move up weight after their fight - for the winner despite being an undisputed champion already or for the loser, that doesn't have any interest anymore in the rematch
- if the price is right since the winner of this match should surely demand a much more share of the split in the rematch or trilogy
- if the match will end up DRAW

Anyways, too early for the trilogy discussion since even though there's a rematch clause on this match, I highly believed that it will go on a long process again, the same as what happened forming this first meetup. Aside from that, Crawford is catching up with his age and might push for the next stage of his career rather than facing Spence over and over again if he wins this match.

The poll is just about right, many of us are siding with Bud Crawford in this fight. In terms of activity, Spence hasn't fought in the last year, so I would give the advantage to Crawford. But I do expect the fight to go into the full 12 rounds. Similar to what we've seen in the Haney vs Loma fight, it's like a chess match and then in the championship rounds, we will see who wanted to fight the fight more, who has the heart.

Let's see how the first fight will conclude fight before talking of a rematch and then the trilogy itself. Even fighters says that this fight is 50/50 but in the end, give the edge to Crawford slightly.

I am happy to read the news about the upcoming match of Terrence Crawford and Errol Spence Jr.  At last after a long wait and controversy, we will be able to see these two great boxers making it out on the ring.



A trilogy is very possible with boxing politics.  First, they will make a controversial judge's decision ( if the fight doesn't end in knock-out) to trigger the need for the second match.  Then obviously they will make the loser win making it possible for the third fight, thus trilogy is created.


I am also inclined to Crawford's ability to beat Spence, but of course, there are many variables in the fight like how Spence Jr. prepares.  If Spence camp is able to scout Crawford's fighting pattern, they might create a strategy to counter or nullify Crawfords's ability.  After all when two great boxers fight, the camp competion in how they prepare their boxer is like chess. 

And I think almost everyone is leaning towards Crawford because he seems to be the one really chasing and wanted this fight for a long time and then Spence just avoiding him at all cost.

But now he can't run, and he should be ready to face his nemesis.

We all know the skill levels of both of this fighter, nevertheless, I will be in the majority for favoring Crawford.

I would do the same. I'm also leaning towards Crawford because he is hungry for a win and wants to prove that he is the better fighter. So, I really like him to win too. Additionally, even though he is the favorite and the betting odds might not be attractive, it's always nice to bet on a fighter whom you are confident will win while watching him fight.

This is the betting odds for the fight.

https://www.oddsshark.com/boxing/terence-crawford-errol-spence-odds

Crawford is the slight favorite, not surprising though and I think the odds although he is the favorite is still a decent one. Just bet 150 usd to win 100 usd. I would not hesitate betting on that, I'm just waiting for the betting odds to be available on the betting sites I'm using then I'll ride on.

Chances are high for a trilogy as this is a money fight. Of course everything hinges on the first fight, on how great it will be, how action packed are the rounds and not the boring, hug and be huge kind of fights. And if Crawford wins, by knockout then it will make the fans wanting to see the rematch and let's see if Spence was able to bounce back and make it even 1-1.

And maybe after that scenario, we could talked about a 3rd fight that will bring more money for this two boxers. And true, everyone is going to be excited and hype about this fight.

Yes, the odds are indeed reasonable and not that shocking considering that majority of people are looking Crawford as more dominant inside the ring compared to Spence.
Moreover, we already a had a few discussions about their match-up as they danced back and forth in the recent months that have passed and I think we've already established enough detail that there are more fans that are inclined towards Crawford.

Also, adding to the fact of which might be a factor of their fight is Errol Spence Jr.'s inactivity inside the ring for over a year after he fought Ugas and claimed his 3rd belt.

Good odds indeed. We know the capability of Terence Crawford to win this match and might dominate Errol Spence.

As a gambler putting some money on Crawford with that odds is already worth taking. Good thing that the odds between them are not that gap. Even those who want to put money on Spence can take advantage of the odds. Spence might be looked a not-tough opponent for Crawford but he's not an underdog to consider. He's also a big thing in the Welterweight but his camp is just associated with dramas.

Still waiting for other betting options as they might give us more worthy odds to pick.

In my own point of view, I will put my money on betting on the match result which is, the fight will end up in a Decision.

I'm seeing this fight will be a closed one and either none of them will allow a knock out win. Although not sure whom I will pick for now.

Both fighters have never experienced a knockdown in their careers, if I'm not mistaken. That indicates that both are durable, so you might be right that this fight will likely end up in a decision, and the busier boxer is likely to come out on top. Based on the respective performances of both boxers in the past, I believe Crawford is more talented than Spence, as Spence does not move a lot, making him an easier target for Crawford, who, in my opinion, is the quicker boxer.

But it's still worth taking a shot at betting on the knockout outcome of this fight. Both fighters have a high knockout rate, as indicated by boxrec.

Crawford has 30 knockout wins in 39 fights, which is approximately a 77% knockout rate.
Spence has 22 knockout wins in 28 fights, which is approximately a 79% knockout rate.

Considering these statistics, my point is that while we believe both boxers are durable, it might be worthwhile to consider placing bets on knockout wins. You could even choose a round range with very attractive betting odds.

sources :
https://boxrec.com/en/box-pro/629465
https://boxrec.com/en/box-pro/447121

^^ And if I'm not mistaken, the odds for a knockout for either one of them are higher, so it's a good bet.

However, we all know how durable this fighters are, they haven't taste the canvass throughout their boxing career and I think it will be hard pressed to see either one of them going down in this fight. But the possibility is always there, I mean if anyone just temporarily lose their focus, the other side can take advantage of that and slip a knockout punch.

This fight is pretty much interesting because aside from the fact that we've asked for this, it is really unpredictable and it's hard to weigh which boxer really got the upper hand.
By the way, in one of my sportsbook here are the odds between Crawford vs Errol Spence Jr.

Moneyline:
Crawford - 1.83       Spence - 2.34

Win by KO/TKO/DQ:
Crawford - 3.60       Spence - 6.50

Win by Decision:
Crawford - 2.87       Spence - 3.24

So, as we can see, almost all odds are really tempting except the ML for Terence Crawford. We still got few more days to decide and weight which is which and who is who.

This fight is going to happen in July so plenty of time for us to put our bet. Someone already suggested to the OP to change the date once the fight is officially set to July 29 I guess he maybe forget it.

But I do agree, everything is very juicy and I would say that even a ML for Crawford is already attractive. In order to get a good returns though, at least go for a good bet on that ML.

Of course though, we are looking for a 'bang on our buck', so maybe go for a decision or KO/TKO if you have a feeling that either will win by that route.

Does anyone remember the old odds before the sportsbooks have taken them down? I remember it was close, however, Terence Crawford was the underdog. I also remember that much of the people were on Errol Spence except for maybe @Boafeng and 1 or 2 other people. I too was also on Crawford.

In any case, I reckon the sportsbooks might be making a mistake on these new odds. Spence is physically stronger and his skills appear to be very much equal with Crawford, I reckon. Similar to Haney vs. Loma, I change my pick again. I am on team Spence!

https://www.sports-king.com/fights/errol-spence-jr-terence-crawford-betting/


The old betting odds indicated that Crawford was the slight favorite, although it was a close call. Therefore, I'm not surprised by the current betting odds. If we consider their achievements as champions, it's evident that Spence has more accomplishments, as he holds more belts. However, the fans will have the final say, and many of us believe that Crawford will win. That's why the odds slightly favor him.

These two fighters will be more difficult to predict because they both have quite an epic history of fighting but Crawford still holds the advantage with the several titles he has and has more total wins by knockout than Spence so it's only natural that Odds wins by knockout for Crawford is lower.
Many boxing experts said Crawford would win the fight by knockout.

As for the victory by decision I'm not sure I can succeed because it looks like this fight will finish before the last round.
If betting I prefer to place a bet with a KO win on Crawford.

This is what makes things more interesting and exciting because even us here in the forum are divided very well, I guess the majority (assuming) are going with Crawford and some are into Spence Jr. as well. While it's true that their power appears to be equal but I certainly don't agree with Spence being the stronger, physically. I mean, what would be the basis of that? I think it's already fair to agree that their prowess are close which leaves most fans unable to choose what camp should they go into.

Yeah, just take a look with the voting result, it's already clear majority of users think Crawford is better than Spence.

https://i.postimg.cc/Yq1CJ2v3/voting.png

You're correct too, there's no way to say Spence is stronger than Crawford, just take a look from their both history, Crawford was winning easily by KO in his recent 8 fought while Spence was struggling when he fought a good boxer e.g. Shawn Porter.

Spence only win from the total belts he currently have, but people are think Crawford will win. This situation quite similar where people think Tank is better than Haney.

Right and I think it's an easy route for Spence too as he was given a chance to get the WBA belt from Ugas. While Spence is fighting undefeated fighters like Jose Benavidez Jr. and Egidijus Kavaliauskas.

Nevertheless, it's style that makes the fight. So really hard to compare both of their wins against Porter or even Kell Brook for that matter.

What's important is now we will finally see who is really the best of this division, Crawford just a slight favorite because of his shiftiness, he can just switch stance for orthodox to south paw very quick.

But those who fall victims at that Knock Out wins by both Terence Crawford and Errol Spence are not even within their circle.

Therefore, I can disregard that knockout rate as a part of the analysis. That percentage has nothing to do now because the fight is now between the current top boxers at the Welterweight right now and not anyone else above them. If they are about to face instead a mandatory title defense against a contender, we can however include that knockout rate in our analysis.

If this fight will end in a KO win, we don't know who will able to do that. It's like who can execute properly the right timing for that knock out punch to send either one of them on the canvass. But honestly, not expecting to see them being KO.

I will bet this fight winning in a "controversial decision". lol

While 70% is really a good knockout rate, the majority of their knockout win is not that they able to finished their respective opponent in an impressive knockout win by a single KO punch. It's different from those well-known KO-type boxers that able to finished their opponent in a single knockout punch.

Both Crawford and Spence most knockout wins are done thru having several knockout punches on the match, not by a single one. It means most of their opponents who tasted being KO by both Crawford and Spence still able to stand on their feet on that first KO punch and continue to fight until the last phase of the match.

With that kind of strength, that makes me think that either Errol Spence or Terence Crawford won't have the KO win as they are durable enough to lasts until the last round even they will experienced an exchange of KO. To make this short, both boxers can suffered a KO down but not a KO win as after being down, they will try to found ways to lasts long.

On who will have the most KO punch, will have an edge on the judges final score.

the problem with betting on this type of fight in which both fighters are specialists in knockouts and that both fighters have equal chances of winning, and betting on who will win the fight becomes the same as counting on luck, because no matter how much one fighter be very resistant to take a lot of punches and stay on your feet when he fights against another fighter who specializes in knockout so he will receive very strong punches and having to take all that pressure will be difficult soon what will happen is that the first fighter who lands a punch very strong in a region of the opponent's body in which it is a vital region, so it will be the fighter who will come out of this fight as the winner

there are a few weeks left, something like 2 weeks for the fight to start but I can see it on this site:


source: https://talksport.com/sport/boxing/1435155/terence-crawford-v-errol-spence-jr-live-stream-date-time-ringwalks-undercard/

Will we not see another date later? lately I have seen the dates of the fights being changed with a lot of frequency. anyway, the two fighters will have more time to prepare for the fight, but I hope that another event that draws more attention doesn't happen in July and overshadow this fight, because putting a fight further away will always have a problem, it would be very well if the fight was this month, but anyway we will see the fight next month if there is no postponement

Yeah, it paper it looks like they have equal chances, 50/50, but according to sports bookies, they have their own reasons why they put Crawford as a slight favorite. And all across sports bookies, whether fiat or crypto based it will still remain the same, maybe a slight variance, but still Crawford the favorite.


Hopefully not, for now this is 99% going to happen, unless either one of them got injured in their training, or become sick or will have a accident or worst, involved in a domestic dispute.

Just a couple of reasons why the fight will be postponed. But crossing fingers, we can just hope that everything will be fine so that we can witnessed already one of the best fight for this year.

It is understandable why people are rooting for Errol Spence Jr. and that is because he simply got 3 belts compared to Crawford who only got 1. But for us here who follows their story and watched almost all of their fights, we can somehow say that we pretty much know the real score between these two and it is already evident enough to see because the bookies are listing Crawford as a favorite.
There is just no way that the bookies will make a dumb assessment and to have a mistake on their published odds especially in this kind of big fight that has been waited by many.

And I think every sport bookies rely on the Las Vegas odds maker, so that there will be a uniform odds across everyone here. Yes, it seems though that even if Spence Jr has 3 belts, it didn't hold any weight for the odds maker, still they think that the kind of welterweight is Bud Crawford that's why he is the favorite. And I will agree with them putting him at a slight favorite and it will really give Spence a motivation here to show that they are wrong. I've seen though that Crawford is more on the media now, having interviews with different host in podcast, so the marketing for this fight has started. Yet to see Spence though, but we can see images of him in the gym already.

I'm not surprised that Spence is staying out in the limelight for now after all the controversial issues he's been into and it is just reasonable in his part to keep some safe distance because having some interviews and showing his face in the public will literally not make his image good nor will have any benefit in his part or to his camp.

It's Crawford's time now because he got the public's attention after being a victim for a sudden canceled deal after all the months he wasted in which point he became inactive for more than a year already because of that. Thus, making some appearance is also their way to market their fight.

^^Good analysis, but still though, Spence should defend himself as his public image was affected by the negotiations earlier and everyone thinks he is the reason stalling this fight. Nevertheless, the fight is going to happen now, and nothing has change, from the said date of June, Crawford is already the favorite and now that this is finalized, bookies remain as it is.

And maybe Spence might be quiet as his training is already in full swing now. Most likely, they might have been reviewing the tapes and this coach/trainer fighting some loopholes. And the same with Crawford, although as we have said, he is going to the public more often and having interviews.

Beating Crawford will be the best defense for Spence as he was publicly trialed and found guilty as the one who doesn't want to fight Crawford in the beginning. But since he has signed already, then this is his chance.

And if I'm not mistaken, he is not keen on going to the public and make interviews as he has said in the past that he is shy or that is simply he just want to be private. Even after his accident, his mouth is still shut and doesn't want to talk about that in public.

I think it's about the same odds as before, maybe just a slight +/- on the side of Crawford.


I don't think that the sports bookies made a mistake in putting Crawford as their favorite, this punters know how to put and who is going to be the favorite as they look on several factors. And even before the announcement of the fight itself, I think majority thinks that Crawford will be the favorite going into this fight and that's what happen right now.

There are some instances that the bookies made some mistake on their odds because sometimes they failed to have a real pulse on what the people is thinking and the real score between a fight or game, but that's just rare to happen. And a big fight like this? There is exactly no way that these sports bookies will mess up their odds, other than that, the odds presented and published are exactly the ones as well that has been shown in most casinos in Las Vegas, NV.

I just read about this, so I thought that you guys might be interested as well.

https://boxing-social.com/news/errol-spence-eyeing-mega-fight/

I mean, really? After all the wasted months of going back and forth with Terence Crawford because he's afraid and tried to buy some time even if he doesn't really admit it, people already know the real score. And now he still have the face the brag about taking Canelo Alvarez. Hands down to this man!

What do you think folks?

As what the article suggest, Spence eyeing a mega fight if he can defeat and get past Crawford.

Although it is still not that sure that it will indeed happen, I just cannot weigh it in and believe the fact that Spence is thinking about Canelo Alvarez instead of having his 100 percent focus on his upcoming fight next month because he surely knows that gravity about it as Crawford is not that kind of boxer who can be underestimated and even though he's much older, he can still give a punch that Spence could not possibly forget.

That's too early to speculate though, the focus but both fighters right now is to train hard and beat each other. Crawford is the favorite and so it will make Spence to be motivated. I saw some short reels of Spence, not sure though if this is new or old, but it seems that his hair has grown already. So I assume that he must be in deep trainer already.

I think what Spence said before is that he is willing to go up in weight at 154 lbs and then fight Charlo. Although there's too much complication on it, they have the same trainer and could have some sparring between themselves.

But for fans, let's say we should be more concern of this fight first, this is huge and for the undisputed belt.

That seems to be new if Spence was already growing his hair because that just mean that he is too busy right now to even do some stuffs on the sidelines including a full clean haircut. That is a good news though because I don't want him to think about Canelo for now because he still got a huge fight to face next month and many avid boxing fans have already said that in this fight, Crawford got the upper hand but some also thinks that Spence have it. So, we'll see about that soon enough.

Spence must be focused on his training.  Terrence Crawford is a big challenge for him, in fact many believe that Crawford had a sligh advantage, that includes me since I saw the precise punches of Crawford which is a threat to Spense.


I saw boxer deviating from his current opponent suffers a defeat.  Those who are thinking of his next opponent while he is scheduled to fight another opponent often messed up his fight.  So Spence Jr. must put all his focus on beating Crawford if he don't want to end up kissing the canvas.

It might be possible if we're talking about superwelter weight because I agree that the mentioned division is really achievable by Errol Spence Jr. but towards Canelo Alvarez's division? I think that it will be too much for now considering both boxers situation and might be hard to make it possible even if Canelo will meet Spence in the middle, although when it comes to money, they might able to do that though. Who knows.

Yeah, it's rare but it do happens and that's what we call upset and that is why we love to bet on the underdogs too, just like in the Teo Lopez vs Josh Taylor fight wherein Lopez really schooled Josh Taylor the champion and the former unified belt holder at 140 lbs.

And in this case, Spence is the underdog, but who knows, specially for his fight he might be a good bet. Although the difference in the odds is not that big, so still close for some and there are others who think this is still a 50:50 fight.

Looking at their odds, even betting for the bookies favorite, Terence Crawford, is still promising and profitable for me because his odds to win at least for the money line is still above 2.00 while for Errol Spence is a little bit over 3.00 . But the trouble is, even though Crawford have some upper hand in this fight, we cannot really underestimate Errol Spence because even if we don't like him that much or at least for me because of what he did recently, he is still undeniably good when it comes to boxing.

That's why this fight is really hard to predict, although Terence Crawford is the favorite on crypto based bookies. And I do agree that even the ML is still very good, specially if you are that kind of gamblers that support your boxer and then throw big money on that line. And same with Spence backers too, line are definitely attractive. At least though this is going to be a win win for us fans as we have been waiting for this fight to happen for a long time. And again, we will have to support and back our fighter here, regardless of what the odd is as we will never know the outcome of this fight.

Are you sure? If the money line odds for Terence Crawford is above 2.00 while Errol Spence's is over 3.00, then the betting platform will go bankrupt. Nobody will lose if those are the betting odds. If I were a bettor, I would be betting on the two fighters with all my savings knowing that whoever wins, I will make a profit.

You might want to double check your numbers. Last I checked Crawford is the favorite with 1.74 money line odds.

I believe that was just a typo error, hehe. It's quite evident that Crawford is the favored fighter, although only by a small margin. In my opinion, this fight is actually a 50/50 matchup. However, considering Crawford's more impressive victories compared to Spence, it's understandable why he is listed as the favorite. Regardless, the specifics of favoritism don't matter at the moment. Once this fight takes place, both fighters will undoubtedly have their own supporters cheering them on, which will make the bout thrilling to watch.

Yeah, maybe it was just a typo error, however, we know that Crawford will be the slight favorite in this fight and I doubt that there will be a a swing in favor of Porter in the last minute. And it just shows what Crawford skills though, this is the best 147 lbs and we have been saying that and we wanted to see this 2 fighters getting into the ring to decide which one is the best. And this could be the biggest fight for this year, I know that there are already big fights like the Haney vs Loma or Garcia vs Davis. But for me, as 147 lbs is the biggest weight class of all boxing, then we might as well see a most likely candidate for fight of the year and the numbers here could exceed the fight of Ryan Garcia vs Tank Davis in terms of PPV and live gates and all the money for networks and their promotional manager.

This one is also typo, it should be Spence.  ;D



These fighters in the weight class are actually better than the names mentioned in your statement. Even Garcia or Davis, I doubt they would be able to defeat either Spence or Crawford. Therefore, it's crucial that this fight takes place to determine who is the best in the ring.

Ok everything is rolling out, the press conference has kicked in, here is the video, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=acedO6P1iKw.

The video though is too long, but in the end there is respect between the two, their trainers and the fighters themselves. So definitely fight is now on, it just feel surreal though that finally we are going to see this fight and this two promises a war. Best fighters in the world and probably for the glory and pound for pound number 1.

This is certainly shaping up to be an intense battle, with both fighters displaying high aggression and a strong knockout record. They should ensure they are fully conditioned for the fight, as it is scheduled for 12 rounds. Crawford is considered the favorite to win, and I'm confident that he has thoroughly studied Spence's style. It's a long-awaited opportunity for Crawford to finally face Spence in the ring.

The winner of this fight has a strong chance of claiming the number one pound-for-pound ranking.

According to the current rankings on https://www.ringtv.com/ratings/, Spence is ranked at number 4, while Crawford is at number 3. Therefore, I speculate that the winner of this fight may potentially be listed as the number one pound-for-pound fighter. However, I am not familiar with the exact criteria used to determine the number one ranking.

Might be, but it's too subjective though, I mean Inoue will be fighting on the same week and if he delivers a good fight and another knockout reel, then I doubt that either Spence or Crawford can overtake him in the number 1 spot.

Just watch the snippet of the press conference, I like the attitude of both boxers, they are really looking forward to this fight and no trash talking initially as they really work hard for this fight to be made. And I like what Crawford says regarding as why it took so long for this find to materialized, for him it doesn't matter, what's important is that they were able to settle everything. They even admit that they talk alot in Facetime, hence the respect between the two.

This is a 50/50 match because both of them could defeat the other. But if I were to base my prediction on what they have achieved over the years in their career and what they can do, I think Crawford is ahead.

There is still more than a month to go before the fight happens. The odds could still change depending on the money that would come in. But for me, Crawford's odds right now are high enough for somebody who really believes in him and his skills. I could even understand if he's given as low as 1.50.

And probably this is what the bookies have looked, and that's why Bud Crawford in the favorite. They have 2 common boxers that they fought and it seems that Crawford beating them is more impressive. And as far as the tools, Crawford has more of it and he can switch up stance and has better defense as well.


Yes, the kick off press conference had happened already, so it's the start of full swing of this fight, trainings and other media coverage. And I also doubt that the odds are going to change, Crawford should still be the favorite till fight time. And it's up to us boxing fans as who will go with this very good fight.

Judging from their past fights, I think Crawford no doubt has the slight advantage here for about 60/40 but we all know Spence is also strong when he is facing a real contender. Both should really be going to fight at this time because they already delayed it longer than expected. thankfully they decided to agree on and we will gonna see one of the fights of the century in a couple of days now. The conference I saw on the post made them finalize their fight and it will gonna be one of the fights that we want to watch live because no matter how see it, it will gonna be one of the historical fights in boxing history.

Agreed, Crawford is the crowd favorite due to its skill set and eagerness to win. Knowing how Crawford fight, The first few rounds will gonna be boring since they will just calculating each other or whatsoever unless Spence forced Crawford to become aggressive and fight him blow by blow. Crawford has the advantage in terms of stamina since Spence is a big man.

I just hope that their fight will not gonna result into early knock out since both fighter is very capable on doing that with an opening.

My bad, I just checked the line just a while ago and apparently it did moved already from the time I last checked it.

Anyway, the lines that I've mentioned above was the real lines that I saw in my sportsbook and you might want to ask the bookies for listing them with high odds, not me, because just like you, I'm just a bettor who wanted to take advantage of the odds as much as possible. You could've bet on them early if you have opened the lines much earlier.

I don't think it's because of Crawford's skill set and eagerness to win that's why he was the crowd favorite.

Technically speaking, both boxers do have good skills and of course, Spence is also eager to win. From what I see, Crawford is the crowd favorite because of the past situation they went into. We all know that Crawford doesn't make any excuses and focuses on building his legacy. While on the other hand, Spence and his camp are pure of drama that's why this mega bout took several years in the making.

I'm not sure though, referring to what you say, about who has the advantage in terms of stamina. Regardless of Spence being bulky, they are fighting with a required weight therefore we can't compare their overall endurance. That depends though on which of them is still in good shape fighting at 147. If I remember it right, there was a report before that Spence is now having a hard time maintaining his shape at 147 that's why his camp even considered him to fight instead at 154 which doesn't happen.


I'm sure that as much as possible, both fighters won't allow themselves to be knocked out.

The turning point of the match will depend on the perfect timing of their respective strategy.

Really? I thought it was a typo error. Or are you sure you didn't see it wrong? What betting platform would that be?

Given what you said, that you wanted to take advantage of the odds as much as possible, did you place your bet? You couldn't lose with those odds. Crawford with above 2.00 and Spence with above 3.00, you couldn't lose.

But I still doubt it. I believe that odds change automatically. It can't happen that both suddenly become underdogs in the odds. They will go bankrupt if they provide such odds.

The odds are really interesting, but we can't say that the bookies didn't do their job. I mean it usually came for Vegas odd makers so they have the experienced to do that. But for some of us, this quite be a 50/50 fight as both are undefeated and champions in their own right and I would say that either hasn't been tested in their win and they have been dominating for the last couple of years. And yes, this is going to be the best fight hands down in paper. It's just need to live to it's hype and then we might see another one, a rematch, whoever wins here.

A rematch is certainly a possibility, but its likelihood will depend on the outcome of the fight. Both fighters are skilled and resilient, capable of absorbing heavy punches. Spence, in particular, is known for his willingness to engage in close-quarters combat without much movement. This could pose a challenge for Crawford, as Spence will be actively seeking opportunities to land his own punches. Knocking out Spence may prove difficult for Crawford due to Spence's aggressive approach and willingness to take risks in search of openings.

Don't focus too much on an obvious mistake; we all know the odds are not like that, as it would not work in favor of the casino. No casino would go bankrupt, so they'll provide odds that benefit them. As for the current odds, they haven't changed yet; Crawford is still the favorite to win. I'm also waiting for alternative odds – you know, odds with a big multiplier – and I'll be expecting some crazy things to happen, like an early KO.

I highly doubt the odds will change to as high as 1.50 in favor of Crawford. Those odds are only possible if this fight happened some years ago when Crawford looked invincible. Now, Crawford is already turning 36 in the next few months. Physically he is not in his prime anymore. His speed and reflexes are not the same as before.

Spence will enter the ring as the heavier guy and he will try to make it into a physical fight where he will come out stronger. If Crawford will come out the same during the Avanesyan fight then he is in serious danger. Spence will be stronger and has heavier hands than Avanesyan. Crawford needs to fight smart and be ready to move around the ring for the whole 12 rounds.

I would love to see Crawford knocking out Spence. This event is handled by PBC and Showtime and their fighter Spence might come out the winner during close rounds. So Crawford needs to win rounds clearly and land those power shots with bad intentions.

Yeah, I also not seeing the odds really swinging in favor of Crawford, it will remain the same throughout the betting window. If there will be some whales that will put millions on Crawford, for sure there will also be some going into Spence as he is a the underdog.

Not sure how heavy is Spence against Ugas but he looks huge at the fight. Although Crawford might be the smaller between the two, but his looks and height are deceiving as he has power in either hands. So yeah, if a knockout will present itself and if there is a scenario that he caught Spence during their exchanges then maybe there will be a chance that we will see Spence going to the canvass for the first time.

The fight is still on July 29, the odds can definitely change, and 1.50 is possible when bettors see some gym exercises, press con, and the face-off. Watching a lot of boxing celebrities picking whom are they rooting for and I think it's convincing enough when they say Crawford will succeed over Spence.  

The majority of their fights ended in less than 5 rounds, I would also expect them to end quickly. They are both taking the risk here and are glad to see they didn't wait until 45 years old to do the exhibition.

I actually didn't dwell on it. I accepted that it was an obvious mistake. But then he stood by it and responded that it was really the odds provided by the sportsbook. That was when I got even more surprised. I simply can't believe such odds are released. By the way, we're not talking about a casino here. We're talking about bookies.


Agree. For such an amazing match, it would be a total waste if it only happens when they're already out of their peak. In fact, to be honest, even if this is still exciting, this is not anymore a battle between two great boxers who are at the top of their careers. Although Spence and Crawford remain undefeated, they've already aged.

I very much disagree. What might occur is Spence odds might become close to 2.00. I also do not see a lot of boxing celebrities easily say that they choose Crawford over Spence. It is always with a warning that this is going to be a close fight.

Also, you expect it to end quickly? Hehehe I shake my head on that comment. Both of these boxers are very tough. Crawford was never knocked down in his whole career and Spence was only knocked down once after so many rounds in the ring. This might end with a decision. Over 10.5 rounds is only 1.40.

Your prediction closely aligns with a possible scenario for the fight because bookies would not offer odds of 1.40 for over 10.5 rounds if they believed the fight would end early. However, boxing is a combat sport, and it can be unpredictable at times, so it's also reasonable to choose or bet on the fight ending early. I'm sure some were attracted to the good betting odds. Moreover, considering that both fighters are KO artists, we can never know for certain what will happen.

I also don't see the fight end quickly unless there is a opening and either one take the risk and took that shot. However, with the boxing IQ of this two boxers, it might difficult to find that loophole, so that chance of a knockout might be slim.

It's true, we have seen some upsets, just like in the Taylor vs Lopez fight, so anything goes in this fight. It might be the underdog Spence who win this fight, or Crawford living up to the expectation of a crowd and betting favorite.

Unless those boxing celebrities really supports either side, so they might say that this is going to be a very close and exciting fight but X fighter is going to win. But for casual boxing fans, I do agree that we can view it as equal chance, 50:50.


It's hard to see a knockout win at the first half of the fight. It could be another chess game and both are waiting for each other to make a mistake before going for that opening. And probably that is the reason why the Over rounds is 10.5 obviously. There will be no knockout but the fight is going to end up in the judges hand and so I expect some controversial scoring or even the result of the fight.

Nah, I don't expect this fight to end quickly. Just because they averaged that quick to end a match doesn't mean they can do it with them together stepping on the same ring. These two fighters are elite, they both are dangerous and both are tough. I don't think either of them will become as aggressive as their previous fights against a completely different opponent.
I'd expect both of them will be careful and be more defensive rather than throwing random haymakers to try and give each other a K.O. Instead, being patient usually works both of these fighters knew that - so we know what to expect. Proper set-up and a perfect counter, if one of them will fall into this, we wil most probably going to see one of them to kiss the canvass.

I view the opposite way because even if they have waited for this fight, or at least Crawford did, that will certainly not be a reason why they should end the fight as quickly as possible because the risks are just way too big for them because this ain't just an ordinary fight. They both know that it will not be an easy fight so there should be no reason that they would rush it as that will just result to an early loss by trying to force an early exit.

Checking the internet and this thread it looks like we will really have this fight although it's still a month before the fight let's pray that no injury or last-minute change of mind will happen, if the fight will not push through this July it will not push through anymore.

The hype is very high the expectations are soaring, and nobody will miss this fight so hopefully all systems go, this is a candidate for the match of the year if both fighters come in their best form.

Of course, we will see this happen, and they will no longer make excuses to ruin people's expectations.

This fight should happen so we can witness the best of the best emerge as the winner. Personally, Crawford is always my choice to win as he has been very consistent in his pursuit to fight Spence. Although I must say that we cannot guarantee who the winner of the fight will be, based on the betting odds, I strongly believe that Crawford will win by KO.

And looking at our votes, we prefer or we think that Crawford will win this fight, but for sure it's going to be close and not easy as both fighters are in their prime and we can say the best in the 147 lbs.

By KO though, very hard to see, Spence is the bigger guy here, that's how I see it and he hasn't been knockdown or touch the canvass before. So it's going to take a lot from Crawford to KO Spence in this fight, just saying. But if you think that he can do it, definitely you can go with it as the odds are that attractive.

Because of the way Crawford has always been manifested , it may be that it has an imminent advantage, for this reason I think it can win, this is something that manifests according to the degree of training , a Boxer does not win in the ring that night, a Boxer wins in his training, the rest will not win by pure tall, in the boxing and different smuy, things do not give themselves randomly, all those who have practiced boxing know that things are like that A boxer who wants to win as Crawford will not let the opportunity he has gold.

Of course, any fight is fought in the beginning of their preparation because that is a serious factor which allows them to have an upper hand against the other. But in this instance, I don't think that Crawford or Spence is taking a slack or some time-off in the middle of their intensive training because they both know the likelihood of the outcome if they will rest or give some slack. This is a big fight that nobody can afford to lose as they are both champions, the winner of this fight will literally have the pride and accomplishment.

Not until the official weigh-in happened, sh*t happened, mate :D. It's Spence. Anyways, yes hopefully, no more bullsh*t excuses that can possibly delay or postponed the fight.

The hype won't be there anymore if that happened again and again after all the dramas just to make this big fight happen.


Maybe if Spence didn't build up a negative impression on the boxing community for delaying this fight for several years, we might see an equal vote for them both.

I do see they both do have an equal boxing IQ and performance-wise, they are in the high caliber. I didn't even consider Spence as an underdog here.

I tend to agree but crawfords power punches might end up being the deciding factor.  When dude lands power punches it's a nightmare for anyone on the other side of it.  I'm just glad this one is going to actually come through.  I hate paying up for the ppv fee but this one will be worth it.

Really hard to disagree with you on that one mate ;D Let's just hope that this time, there will be no sudden announcement or excuse just to make the fight longer, so that we can already witness which of them is durable than the other and much stronger. But in-case that happens, we should not be surprised about it because we probably all know who's behind all of this as it will not be the first time that they will try to execute some foolish tricks to delay the fight.

Yeah, aside from power punches Crawford are known a precise hitter.  I have watched his fight and I love how his punches connect like it has an aim bot to hit the opponent.  Anyway I heard that their previous conference was a flop.  It looks like they need to heighten the intensity and put more controversial speeches so that boxing fans will get triggered and more interested to attend their conferences before the fight.

I actually think it is enough that this fight is between Crawford and Spence. That banner itself must be more than enough for the boxing fans to watch it live. You can't miss this. We have all been waiting and demanding for this for a long time.

Although those kinds of gimmicks like the heightened intensity and the controversial speeches that you mentioned, all those pushes and personal attacks, they're a cheap way to sell a fight, but they may be effective to a certain extent. But the ultimate reason for any boxing fan to watch live is the fighter and his skills. Both Crawford and Spence have it.

I think the burden will be on Spence Jr here, he has history of pulling out from fights because of unforseen injuries, like in the supposedly Manny Pacquiao fight. So he better take care of himself and hopefully he is physically fit and pass all the test and medical before the fight.

Yes, after the kicker press conference, all systems go now, we've seen both fighters in the stage and answering questions from the press and telling us what to expect in this big fight.

That is my worry as well. I'm uncertain whether Spence was genuinely providing an excuse for the canceled fight with Pacquiao or if it was part of his plan all along. He seemed very eager to fight Ugas after Pacquiao was defeated by the replacement boxer. In this upcoming fight, he should avoid making any mistakes or, at the very least, be cautious, so that the highly anticipated fight with Crawford can finally take place.

Well finally one of the things that I had published occurred in my articles, I remember that there was a lot of controversy, because many said that it was a fake article, but I like that this type of fight occurs, however I am one of those who will undoubtedly bet against Spence, Spence finally remembered that boxers should not be afraid of rematches, that things here should Always be done as they are, because otherwise , it is easy for him to retire from being boxers and give way to those Boxers who if they want to give everything for the Sport and move Forward.

They still need to market the fight if they wanted to get more audience.  For this boxers and promoters, fame is not enough, they still need to sell lots of ticket and PPVs in order to consider the fight as a success.  So they need more pre-fight actions to make more noise.


Indeed the yare cheap way to sell the fight but for most boxer, they are very effective in attracting non-fans attention.  Remember each fans have their own favorite boxer so even if the boxer is so skilled, he will not get all the attention of boxing fans.  So to market the fight, they need to do extra effort in order for those non-fans to be curious.

What rematch are you talking about mate? This will be Spence and Crawford's first encounter in the ring, either professionally or not. These two haven't met each other's destiny yet as this is the very first time they will fight after all the months of dancing back and forth. But yes, it's really hard to bet against Crawford because even if Spence is a lot more active or haven't been inactive, it's still clear that Crawford is more dominant in boxing against any boxer in the welterweight now. Although I'm seeing that this will be a very close fight.

I have a feeling that this supposed mega fight will only sell around 500k PPV buys. The date might be too early as even both fighters are cutting their camps in order to travel for the promotional tour.

I think Crawford is controlling himself not to trash-talk too much on Spence because he might scare the Texan into making another bunch of excuses to cancel the fight. Spence is a silent guy although he has the backing of the huge Texas population. Crawford however came from an average state with lesser cities.

I even saw someone saying the Jake Paul vs Nate Diaz event might garner more PPV buys than this one. :D It's funny how these ultra casuals are purchasing joke fights rather than watching the real fights. 

 Hearn thinks it will sell at least 500k.   (https://www.dazn.com/en-PH/news/boxing/eddie-hearn-makes-his-prediction-on-how-many-ppv-buys-errol-spence-vs-terence-crawford-will-get/lem8ctmj86y511t3segp2r45k)

I believe they will not struggle to sell this fight since there has been anticipation built up for it over the years. The Garcia vs. Tank Davis fight was a success, so I anticipate that this fight will surpass the pay-per-view subscriptions they generated, especially considering that Spence and Crawford are more popular fighters.

I think that will be the high numbers though, but we will see, there's a lot of hype on this fight, but assuming that either is not a PPV star, yeah, maybe that will be the ball park number. As compare to Ryan Garcia and Tank Davis fight wherein this fighters have a lot of social media follower and everyone wanted to see this fight for a long time and both are bankable PPV stars. But still, if they didn't produce the same numbers, maybe a good 500,000 buys is already good for this fight. And then the rematch might get bigger numbers. So everything hang on this fight and see how good this is so that boxing fans are going to be interested on a second fight.

They are giving each other so much respect in the fight, hehehe. But I do think that the trash talk will come later, as we gets closer to the fight date.

Yeah, that could be the max buys they can get in my opinion. I don't think they can break into the 1 million PPV buys. Unless there are casuals that are willing to buy. Live gates though might be different as it could be sold out already (I haven't check the numbers yet).

I'm not seeing injuries before the night. This is just high stakes so they need to take good care of themselves before the actual fight. They might push themselves in training though, but they know what the limits are to not just sloppy and injured themselves.

There is no need for these two fighters to have a large number of social media followers or to generate buzz on social media. The true fans of these fighters already know them, and they will undoubtedly want to witness this fight, whether through pay-per-view or by attending the event. In my opinion, this fight holds greater significance than the Garcia vs. Davis fight, as both of these fighters have consistently held high rankings in the pound-for-pound list. Therefore, it is almost certain that this fight will generate a substantial number of pay-per-view views.

Getmon, you should update the OP and also the subject. The date has already been decided by both camps. It's going to be on July 29. And it's going to happen at the T-Mobile Arena in Las Vegas, Nevada. When I read the title I thought I missed this very important fight. I really don't want to miss this.

In this battle of southpaws, I think Crawford will prevail. I'm still waiting for the odds on my favorite betting platform to be released. Although the match is already there, there are no odds shown yet. But I totally understand that Crawford is the favorite.

But still though, social media is every where and it could be a good gauge for this boxers. I mean you can measure how popular you are by the numbers of your followers. It might not translate to viewerships, but still for me it's a measuring stick, just like how Ryan's social media is.

The thing though with both Spence and Crawford is that they are not that young, meaning they are not into this social media thingy and just going back to the old roots of fighting and creating their own hype. And their brand name are the one who are going to carry them. However, we think think that this fight is not going to generate 1 million PPV.

Somehow, you got a point about that. But considering that Spence and Crawford is not that new in the boxing industry, we can also say as well that both of their fans, well mostly, are not that much into social media and only follows about their news in some articles released by some famous sports outlet or some channels in YouTube that provide some inside information regarding about their future plans.

After all, they don't need to make any marketing because people have been waiting for this fight to happen and you can just imagine how glad they are when they have read a news saying that finally this fight is happening. After a few dancing back and forth, finally, both of them have come up a deal.

Well, Eddie Hearn is a huge boxing fan himself and is probably the biggest promoter right now and is a master in the business with superstars Canelo, AJ, and fighters from other promoters that fight in DAZN except GBP which has its own exclusive contract with the network. His 500k-600k is a good estimate and is already a big success given these economic hard times.

This fight though has real potential of breaking a million PPV buys. I also believe that tickets will be sold out quickly. So far PBC has named Pitbull Cruz battling against Giovanni Cabrera in the undercards probably to get the huge Latino boxing community.

In terms of the live gate's tickets, there is no question at all that it will be sold out quickly just like what Garcia vs Davis fight did or pretty much faster than that because we have to include the fact that there will be some businessmen who are having some business in gaining these tickets as fast as possible so that they can sell it in a much higher price. But when it comes to PPV buys, I doubt that they can break a million of it because the world is getting modern each day and big fights like this are almost shown for free in some sources like Facebook live or even YouTube because they are seeking the viewers as well in-exchange for some voluntary amounts to watch the fight live.

I personally believe that Terrance crowford vs Erroll Spence would be an even bigger match than Tank Davis and Garcia. Terrance crowford vs Erroll Spence Jr has been a match that the boxing world and neutral has been anticipating for a very long time, many has even thought it would be a match we may never see.

This two boxers has proven themselves on various platform through out their careers so far, I am sure it would be amongst the highest grossing boxing match in history.

We should take note that Errol Spence Jr., regardless of the status of his opponent, is considered a "PPV King". That's even the main reason they always front about why he should get always the biggest slice of the pie, aside from he holds several titles, as no doubt he's the main reason why most of his fights ended up in decent PPV sales.

And since this match between Spence and Crawford is a long-anticipated match, that takes several years in the making, aside also from the fact that Crawford is a big thing, I'm sure they can sell over a million PPVs and might be one of the notable sales in the boxing PPV history.

Anyways, is the undercards for this match already released? Never saw any details about it when I tried to search for it.

As far as Eddie Hearn, he says that PBC, Top Rank and Golden Boy doesn't want him promoting in the US.

As for the PPV buys, I do agree, I don't see the fight getting or breaking the 1 million PPV buys, not a hater but they will be lucky to get 500,000 PPV. Still the king of PPV for this year is Ryan Garcia vs Tank Davis.

Live gates must be different though, it could be sold out by now and only premium tickets might be available.

Were we expecting the Garcia vs. Davis fight to reach at least 1 million PPV buys? I believe the expectation was around 500k, give or take. Therefore, I think the Spence and Crawford fight is somewhat undervalued. It's possible that we might be surprised if they surpass the 1.2 million PPV buys of the Garcia vs. Davis fight.

It's good if Crawford-Spence PPV reaches or breaks 1.2 buys because it actually deserves knowing this is for the undisputed title and between 2 undefeated fighters. Davis and Garcia were not world champions but they are popular. Garcia is unproven but he is a celebrity outside of boxing with millions of followers. Tank Davis is gifted with explosive hands and is carefully matched by Mayweather, PBC, and Showtime against nobodies, has-beens, and other exploitation techniques. PBC has a huge following of African-Americans and many of them are casuals that would enjoy a Tank KO win against a bum than Spence winning a hard decision or a hard fight against another top-caliber opponent like Ugas.

So without serious trash-talking and bad blood, this fight might not reach a million buys.

I bet they only had some speculations about what would be the PPV buys but I'm somehow confident that they aren't expecting any actual range as they also knew the factors surrounding it.

What they did was they rented a much bigger venue which was the T-Mobile Arena to ensure that they could take advantage of the fact while the fight was anticipated by many and bring a much bigger profits to their pockets.

So far though I haven't heard any serious trash talked between the two.

For the Davis vs Garcia fight, the build up was slow, but days before the fight we have heard about the rehydration clause and then trash talking by Ryan Garcia himself. They also need to put up a good lineup in the undercard, so far the only name that I can see it Pitbull Cruz, not sure though if he can bring lots of fans to watch the fight itself. Which mean those who are going to buy are willing to spend money to watch other fight not just the main card.

I guess they were just too busy doing their own preparations and rigorous trainings because they know right from the start that this fight is not something that they can call an ordinary fight as both of them got some serious skills that is not good to underestimate with. Just a guess though but that might be the reason why both camp is so silent these days.

As for the Garcia-Davis fight, I think we already know the rehydration clause much earlier and not just few days before the day of their fight as that clause was included on their deal. Safe to say that if Ryan Garcia and his camp will not accept the rehydration clause, there will be no fight.

Yeah, they definitely have numbers in mind already, so they have better put that into perspective instead of anticipating big numbers that is not going to happen because even though they are pound for pound fighters, they didn't bring much as far as PPV numbers.

Live gets could be different though, but this is business, and tickets are going to be very expensive. But their could be boxing fans who are willing to pay a great deal of money to see this as close as they can and doesn't want to watch it on TV.

Although Canelo is no longer with DAZN and Eddie Hearn Matchroom and now I've read that not every fight of Canelo has massive numbers in DAZN, maybe he is just telling this because he no longer promotes Canelo Alvarez.

But as far as this one, yeah the keyword here is "potential" it might do 1 million views or just half of it around 500,000k. And I guess it really depends on how they are going to promote this fight and the boxers themselves.

So far they gone to respective boxing outlet, but we haven't heard anything, maybe just minor trash talking.

It will be a challenge for them if they can surpass the hype and Davis-Garcia fight because that specific fight broke 1 Million plus PPV buys which is already considered as a big figure in today's era but somehow, I think the Crawford-Spence fight can keep up with it just fine or even achieve more than what the Davis-Garcia fight had because this fight has been asked by the fans for some years now, and finally, we now have the fight upcoming.

There is no way that this fight will not have at least a million PPV buys considering that Crawford is a much followed star plus there is Spence who is the PPV King. Moreover, this fight has been waited by a lot of people for quite a long time now so I seriously doubt that they will have any problems about the generations at all. Lastly, I know that the fans are seriously hoping that there will be no hurdles while the fight date is nearing.


Opening the show will be unbeaten heavyweight Gurgen Hovhannisyan (4-0, 4 KOs) vs Viktor Faust (11-1, 7 KOs).

Up next will be super-welterweight contender Jesus Ramos (20-0, 16 KOs) vs Sergio Garcia (34-2, 14 KOs).

And the final fight prior to the main event will be lightweight contender Isaac 'Pitbull' Cruz (24-2, 17 KOs) vs Giovanni Cabrera (21-0, 7 KOs).

Source: https://talksport.com/sport/boxing/1477592/errol-spence-vs-terence-crawford-undercard-gervonta-davis/

^^ That is still a weak line up for the undercard in this event, just to be honest. PBC should put up a fight that is also worth specially in the 147 lbs as they have a lot of great boxers in their stable. And then can billed it as the next one to challenge next either Crawford or Spence.

Pitbull's name just pop up when he was able to stay in full 12 rounds with Tank Davis, who has suffered a injury in his hand that's why he wasn't able to knockout him out. After that, no body remember him.

Hey OP, can you update the date on the right to avoid confusion? They are scheduled for July 29, 2023.

https://www.sportingnews.com/us/boxing/news/errol-spence-jr-terence-crawford-date-time-tickets-card-odds/dwharqhsuwgbb7qcaobomkr6

He was active like 2 weeks ago?

But I have seen already prior to your request that he should update the date, but he didn't respond.

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There's a lot of coverage for this fight already, so maybe the hype is slow but coming fight night, it will be one of the biggest fight in terms of revenue and PPV numbers and live gate.

Crawford said that he is ready for whatever Spence bring in the table. He might not look for a knockout, but if he has chance then he will go for it as that could be the icing in the cake for him.

I honestly think that both Spence and Crawford is not that worried about their PPV buys because having these two names in the equation will definitely result into a big fight with lots of money generated plus PPV buys will definitely exceed the Davis-Garcia fight, it seems like automatic already considering that Spence himself can already have a decent figures, what more now that Crawford is included.

As of now, both of them are so silent and it's quite understandable why as they only have less than 1 month now to prepare for this war that they agreed into. Looking forward to see an action-packed fight as that what other people wanted as well.

Still a month to go and I think we might see some waves starting and noise in about two weeks before the fight date. No marketing either by both of the camp to keep the flame lit, that means that they are not worried because they already know the gravity of the fight they are making.

As for Crawford, I pretty much think that he knows that he got the advantage/upper hand in this fight but he's not taking any chances because he also know that Spence is not any ordinary boxer that can be underestimated easily.

They can add some names if they want to, but it is safe to assume that there are some reasons why the undercards are like that when in-fact they can do something more.
It's either the boxers in the stable are not yet ready or haven't found any interesting opponent, or they just did it for a reason as they want to allocate as many as possible for the Spence-Crawford undisputed fight as that is undeniably the first reason why people are going to watch the event live.

You're right about that, but on social media you can see that a lot of things, like the popularity of some boxers, can be compromised by a lot of things they see, hear and say about them, of course by speculating about Crawford and Spence, too. Like any of the boxers worldwide, everyone who says something is always based on what they see and has been able to dispel from them, it is known that a boxer wins according to his training, he does not win by luck or something similar, he wins there, if a boxer does not want a particular matchup, it must be or is very likely because he has not had the necessary training.

I don't know what many people think , perhaps a boxer is very good at what he has always done because he is very Famous , in this case it Helps a lot, but of course things can also change with training and that is something that very few Bettors they take into considerations that are very technical , for me in this case Crawford has Better Preparation.

In the case of Spence vs Crawford, they are not that old when it comes to social media because indeed they are somehow active on it especially Instagram and Twitter.

Plus we can say that these two boxers are still famous and can create a hype even without marketing it just like how silent they are now because they know that their fans can do that for them for free and they are one of the reasons why both boxers and organizers came to a point to make it happen as they see a huge cashflow by having this fight.

Spence himself is enough to attract a lot of fans and people to watch his fight what more now that Crawford is added in it.

It's somehow safe to assume that this will be a big fight even without marketing it and we can see how confident the promoters and organizers are of this event because they already booked a date in T-Mobile Arena without having any doubts, it's the very same arena where Ryan Garcia and Gervonta Davis fought each other and we know that it's kind of a big place and reasonable as well for this kind of event that has been asked for the people for a couple of years now.

Yes, that could be in some certain cases, and there could be good boxers in the undercard too.

Remember that everyone is a prospect, and before they become like a household name and headlining their own cards, most of the great boxers are in the undercard just like recently Manny Pacquiao.

And no one could thought that he will become a superstar. So going to be interesting who will be the prospect superstar in the undercard card and probably we can go back and see him fight under Spence vs Crawford.

The fight is going to be on July 29!!! Only 22 days more before we witness who becomes the king of the welterweight division hehehe! We also have another superfight with Fulton vs. Inoue. This month is good to be a fan of boxing.

Also in an interview, Shawn Porter said that Spence has a huge advantage over Crawford in punch output. However, my question for boxing experts of the forum. Will this he enough to win the fight?



Shawn Porter says Errol Spence will have a huge advantage over Terence Crawford with his physical presence and his high punch output on July 29th.

While Porter does rate WBO welterweight champion Crawford (39-0, 30 KOs), he’s incapable of matching IBW, WBA & WBC champ Spence (28-0, 22 KOs) with his volume punching.

Crawford has been a pot-shot fighter his entire fifteen-year professional career, and he’s not going to change now at 36 years old.

Source https://www.boxingnews24.com/2023/07/shawn-porter-says-errol-spence-has-huge-advantage-over-terence-crawford/


Much of the predictions were for Crawford before this month. However, presently there are new storylines that are being argued for Spence. The skeptical me is beginning to think that this might be manipulated to end on a draw and give the promoters another chance to collect more money from a part 2.

2 years ago after fighting both, Porter mentioned that Crawford is the better fighter and is the best of the division without a doubt. But he is right, at this stage of their careers, Crawford's reflexes, strength, and mobility are not the same as some years ago which would be beneficial for Spence's close-quarters volume punches.

The odds though are still favoring Crawford believing this current version is still enough to beat the bigger and stronger Spence. Although it is not the same as what I've seen some years ago, the current odds are a little close. 

A draw is possible but it's still very difficult to bet on that. This event is promoted, televised, and presented by Spence's handlers so the scorecards will favor him, especially during close rounds.

I believe there is a rematch clause for both of them so a rematch is imminent unless the fight is one-sided. 

May I know what is your basis for saying that Crawford is not the same anymore? In my opinion, he is not the same because I believe he has improved as a boxer. He is still at his prime now, and I haven't seen a fight where he struggles. I know both fighters are different, but the quickness of Crawford is going to be his advantage here. In terms of power, both are KO artists, so there's no one who has an advantage in that area.

I haven't missed a Crawford fight since his clinical win over Breidis Prescott. How many Crawford fights have you seen in the past? I assume you watched the full fight and not the highlights? I saw Bud being less mobile, depreciated hand speed, and not throwing more combinations. The best of Bud would've finished Avanesyan earlier like 4 or 5 rounds. The guy's too slow and held his hands too high so I was expecting Bud to take advantage by constantly targeting the body and switching sides throwing combinations like he did when he fought Felix Diaz. Bud has a conservative style but he is really quick when he sees an opportunity. Bud also got hit a lot by a very slow guy and he is in danger if that was Spence's power punches that landed.

I'm a hardcore boxing fan and it's weird if you call that version of Bud an improvement over his previous fights. As an old saying in boxing, can't teach old dogs new tricks. And as Porter said, Bud won't change at 36. Anybody staying undefeated in their mid-30s onwards doesn't mean they are still in their primes like Bud and Beterbiev. Anyways, Bud has all the skills to beat anybody including Spence but it all depends now if he can still execute them properly.

I'd say that these boxers who are giving their own predictions and speculations are just the same as us, the fact that they are not the ones who are participating the fight is already a reason to say that they are just like us, giving predictions on how the fight would go.

I don't really believe that they are more reliable compared to us who are also watching their fights. The question is, does Spence also believe the same way like what Shawn Porter believes? Because I don't think that Spence is that confident to say that a huge advantage over Crawford as he knows that the latter is also a different boxer in his own way, that's why he was able to retain the belt for more than five consecutive years now.

Maybe Porter is saying otherwise. I mean, he fought both boxers and was able to give Spence a good fight, resulting in a split decision win for Spence. However, when Porter fought Crawford, he lost via TKO. So based on his experience, he should have said that Crawford has the edge because he suffered his first TKO loss against him.

I thought this fight wouldn't happen because there's no hype about this match in my social medias, even though this is an unification fight. The hype of Tank vs Garcia is way more higher than Crawford vs Spence.

Yeah, he give an objective answer, that's not make sense if he said Spence is better than Crawford when we're know based on his result, Crawford is better than Spence.

This will happen. There isn't much hype on social media because both fighters are focused on their training, and they aren't trash-talking each other like Garcia does. This kind of fight is what we've been waiting for—a unification bout where it's hard to predict the winner since their skills are almost 50-50.

Don't worry, once the fight begins, all eyes will be focused on it. With both boxers being KO artists, one punch could end the fight.

Or Porter was just fooling around saying stuffs like these because it's either he wanted to see Spence eat the same punches as he do and end in the same outcome or he's just praising Spence so that he can see Crawford in the defeated corner unlike what he had experienced when he was there in the ring facing Crawford. Other than that, I don't see any reasons why Porter is saying that Spence got an advantage when in-fact he can truly say what it is based on his experience and people will just laugh at him for having this kind of prediction.

Yes, exactly! This fight is not making any noises just to market the fight to its full potential and I doubt that it is needed by the way because both boxers involved in the fight are both well known already, and it is the people who wanted this fight in the first place and so it will be a blockbuster hit for sure.

We just have to wait for the fight night because it is sure that Crawford and Spence are already having their own intensive trainings for this fight, everything is set, the place, the time and the undercard. Hopefully there will be no drama while we are approaching towards the date (crossing my finger).

Right, Tank vs Garcia is very different though, I mean the hype is really huge and PPV reaches more than 1 million. And I remember that we have discussed speculations about how big this fight it in terms of PPV and if I remember it correctly, we did somewhat agree that the numbers could be around 300,000-500,000 buys. But we will see.

It's getting closer, I can sense on some boxing forums that the hype is building already.

I also read some comments of former opponents of this two boxers, like Porter and they have given their own opinions about this fight.

That is quite normal and expected when it comes to big fights like this, famous boxers and analyst will always try and give their own predictions about the outcome of the fight but none of that will matter as even to themselves they cannot predict exactly what will happen to their own fight. So, it all boils down on Crawford and Spence on how will they figure this fight.

Anyway:
https://www.boxingnews24.com/2023/07/wba-makes-eimantas-stanionis-mandatory-for-spence-vs-crawford-winner-on-july-29th/

Yes, I think boxers too are fans of other fighters or at least they want to see what will be the outcome of this fight. For instance Porter Jr fought both of this fighters and Kell Brook. So their statement and comments might be valuable because they've experience it first hand, but as the saying goes, style makes fight so it could be different, but at least you can weigh in what this two former boxers have to say.

As far as Eimantas Stanionis he has been waiting for this fight for years, he had a scheduled fight last night but was cancelled because Vergil Ortiz is deems unfit to fight. So I doubt that he will go directly to the winner of Spence vs Crawford, he needs a tune up fight first.

In that case, Stanionis should find be a dancing partner as soon as possible to keep him warm because he is getting cold in the ring for waiting against Vergil Ortiz and in the end the fight did not materialized because of the said factor mentioned by you above.

He should find that and make a tune-up fight because he now have the green light to fight the winner of Crawford-Spence fight and after that, hopefully Boots Ennis will have his own mandatory fight too as he also waited for his shot.

The promoters of this fight made the PPV more expensive so it will have a hard time matching Ryan vs. Tank's numbers. Today's generation of fighters need to have a strong social media presence if they want to attract the biggest audience. Earlier this month, an influencer boxing event broke records on Twitch by getting over 3.4 million live viewers and over 100 million have watched the replay. Crawford and Spence aren't at that level of popularity but I think the years of anticipation and hype will lead to a big viewership.

Its possible, maybe lows of 500k might be the numbers for this fight as the hype as you have said has been building for many years now. Specially after the first failed negotiations and then Crawford going into the public and tell everything the details on what had happen behind.

But that is over now, they have sign the contract, and I think Spence has the lion share of the split here. It's good though for Crawford, if he beat Spence then most likely in the rematch he will have more money.

No mate, the PPV price between Crawford-Spence and Garcia-Davis fight are just the same for $84.99 (you can look that up on the internet), that price will be your digits if it's your first time to subscribe and if you're already a subscriber, I think there's a slight discount for that because the latter's fight was made for $60 if you already have a subscription.

About their PPV buys, I don't have any doubts that it will surpass the PPV buys Ryan Garcia and Gervonta Davis as this fight is already waited by the people all over the world, that includes me, and it will be safe to assume that the people won't certainly let this slide.

I will tend to agree about the social media presence, Ryan has boasted a combine more than 1 million subscribers if I'm not mistaken. But not sure about the numbers of Crawford or Spence themselves. This two boxer are way over 30 years old, so there is a big catch that they don't deal much often on social media or they just want to be private and just sharing few contents about this fight.

But still the anticipation has been building and maybe it will help them have a good PPV number regardless if the price is lower than Ryan vs Tank.

For sure though, there are lot of fans that are going to share this fight for free in Facebook and other platforms., just saying.

I think they have generated enough hype when they were rumored to fight, but it didn't happen. Finally, it will happen, and I believe it's the right time because they were inspired by the PPV numbers of the Garcia vs Davis fight. I'm sure the promoters of this fight believe they will be able to surpass that significant number of PPV. Personally, I'm confident it will happen.

To hype the fight more, here is ALL ACCESS: Spence vs. Crawford | Ep 1 | Full Episode | SHOWTIME PPV.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w4JkMZtv8yA

You can hear both of them talking about the fight, there trainings and the attitude. I advise everyone to follow the All Access so that we can see a glimpse of this two boxers are they are going for a super fight.

And if you will remember, they said that they are going to make it official and announced it during the Garcia vs Davis fight.

But it didn't happen and everyone thought it's a April Fools joke. But then again, as Spence said in the All access provided by the link above, he felt he is the one instrumental for bringing this fight.

No doubt that Spence will be the bigger guy here, but Crawford is used in fighting bigger opponents.

A unification fight between two undefeated fighters. I also agree that they can surpass that hypes.

With how they excite the fans with those all rumors before, and now they finally convert these rumors into a schedule fight
I'm glad to see that there are no excuses now. (hopefully none to come) and the fight will proceed,

the numbers of PPV and the possible numbers of sponsorships will bring a huge amount of money for these two champs,
the amount of money surely moves them both to sign the deal.

He truly believes that he is more popular and capable of making a fight more successful. Perhaps he is correct, but what matters now is that he has agreed to fight Crawford, which has the potential to overshadow his popularity. Spence may no longer be a significant PPV draw, as Crawford could become the new sensation among the crowd. Although some argue that Crawford's fights haven't generated substantial PPV views, if he manages to defeat Spence, that perception is likely to change.

There is none of a single doubt about the hype between these two can create and that they can surpass the blockbuster hit that Davis and Garcia did in the previous months. I mean, it is given already knowing how Al Haymon kept the right to organize it even if there is already other organizers that wanted to give them those guaranteed money, he know that the revenue in this fight will be much bigger than what is anticipated that is why he didn't gave up those rights because he knew probably at that time that sooner or later, the path of Crawford and Spence will soon cross.

Yes, but I guess we can still remember how the first negotiation fell off and it might be due to Spence not wanting to give up to the demands of Crawford. But knowing that magnitude of this fight, sooner or later he will have to prioritize this fight more than any other fights that is line up on the horizon.

This will generate substantial PPV numbers that's for sure and then maybe the second fight, the rematch could even be bigger specially if the 1st one is very close and hard to judge.

Well, I guess that is quite given because when people know the truth about what happened behind the curtains made them feel disappointed about what Al Haymon and Errol Spence did, and that somehow gives an ace for Crawford to make the people side with him. Anyway for the PPV buys, there will be no need to compare because in this fight, it will be a combined effort to amass a much higher buys as well as the generated revenue, and we can see how confident they are because they are holding the event at the T-Mobile Arena.

Now everything is almost on his hands. A few more weeks and we will see the fight to happen.

And the good catch here for Al Haymon is the rematch claw that can bring another huge profit. Whatever happened to
this upcoming fight, the chance of a seeing them again is possible.

More money for everyone knowing how the fans will react and how it will be hypes. Socmed is too wide in helping
this match to create viewers and gamblers supports.

I guess the rematch is already inevitable knowing that the fight could be so tight that even if it will end by a vicious KO, the losing camp still have the chance to stand up and return the favor which could turn into a possible trilogy, if ever.

I mean, a KO outcome is pretty much likely in this fight but I don't think that it will mean that it is all over for the losing camp knowing that both of them is a KO artist and so it will be a battle of who got a much tougher defense and who can land that clean punch to have a KO result.

Hope we get a good trilogy out of this one.  Although I don't think he will lose, I kinda hope we get a 1-1 situation with a rubber match to take the belts for good.  Haven't laid in a bet yet waiting until we get closer to see if the line swings, but I'm going Crawford KO in about the 8th/9th round.

What he did in the past did certainly took a toll in his fame because people waited for that fight and right after they knew that the negotiations have started, people were delighted as if they knew that it will materialize in the next couple of weeks but that is not what happened because Crawford talk afterwards what happened and people confirmed their speculations that they were (Al and Spence) just toying with Crawford and giving him false hopes so that he will his inactivity will continue.

I can only see a rematch on the horizon if Crawford will come out as the winner of this fight because he tends to be more open for more negotiations in the future, but if it's Errol Spence who will have the undisputed title, I really doubt that they will agree with a rematch even though there is a clause written on their contract. I don't know what they will do about it, but I surely know that they can find some way if they are not that inclined to make it happen.

I think the PPV is not that expensive as compare to the price of Ryan vs Tank numbers. I doubt that they will increased it to the point that they know they are going to suffer because less people are going to buy it.

And we shouldn't compare it to Twitch or influencer, I mean that's why they are influencer on the first place.

This are real boxers who put their live on the line every time they fight that's why they command large money in the beginning. Maybe there is really hype about this fight and it could exceed the numbers of Ryan vs Tank numbers.

I am really curious about the outcome of the numbers in this fight. I felt like there is not enough buzz. While Crawford made some trash-talking, he seems controlling it, probably trying not to get under Spence's skin or the Texan gets scared and withdraw? :D Geez, Bud is turning 36.

Anyways, with Jermell Charlo vacating all the belts at 154 for his fight with Canelo, Bud's dream of getting a shot at the undisputed belts at 154 is becoming nearly impossible. A trilogy with Spence is even possible if they can tie it at 1-1. Although I would love for any of these sanctioning bodies to offer a vacant belt at 154 for the rematch which would make Bud a legit 4-division world champion or Spence a 2-division world champion.

Another thing that they should consider as well in the money that is going to generated in the first fight. However, if we go on what we here in the public, there is definitely a rematch regardless of the winner.

I guess just a safety net for the loser, so that he has the chance to avenge his lost and make it even. And then most likely a trilogy to end all doubts as who is the best 147 lbs in this era.

So far no trash talking, I know, we missed those kind of smack talking, hehehe. But perhaps they know what they are doing here. Stop the trash talk and let them promote and go to the media showing respect and see how boxing fans are going to react with this fight. It could work for them in the end.


We wii wait to wait and see, how the first fight will go. It will really depends on how they are going to fare on the first fight. It could be a war and do hope that it will be the case so that the fans are going to look for the rematch or maybe the score will go 1-1 and it's going to be worth for this sanctioning body to allow this fight to proceed and let other fighters fight for the interim belt or whatever they are going to call it.

Money will not be a problem in their first encounter because it will be a sold out fight for sure plus with the additional of Donaire-Santiago fight in the undercard will make the fight more marketable and will generate huge profits that will fill the organizer's pockets for a couple of years. The problem is if they will make a rematch, will the second encounter keep up with the same same revenues or at least in par with what they will make in the first bout.

You are right and indeed money is not everything in their first fight because there will definitely be special interest that makes many people flock to be able to buy tickets and watch the fight.
The advantage is certain to be obtained, especially since this has become one of the battles that have been waiting for.
If at the first meeting this can be a great fight and there is little controversy then you can be sure that when the rematch is held later there will be more and more people who are more excited to witness it.

If it weren't because of the sudden withdrawal of fights under Spence-Crawford fight undercards, we won't see Donaire and Santiago in a much bigger stage.

By the way, I wonder what did the organizers do to the fans who have already bought a ticket for the latter's fight that was supposed to happen few days back because I know that some of them actually reserved that day just to watch the fight and now that it was moved suddenly, did they get a proper consolation for it? Hopefully the answer is yes.

^^ Most likely two scenarios,

a. fans who bought the ticket for the Donaire vs Santiago will be refunded full.
b. or they are going to be given the chance to watch it on the reschedule fight.

So everything is building right now, the fans of both in social media are hyping the fight and have their own predictions on how the fight is going to end. I still haven't decided yet. But I might bet as the fight gets closer to the date.

Spence vs. Crawford is practically sold out so option B is out of the question. Donaire vs. Santiago was only a supporting bout, the main event still happened so technically fans got the event they paid for and aren't eligible for a refund either. The only option would have been to resell or transfer your tickets through the Ticketmaster app.

That poses a significant inconvenience for the fans who have already purchased tickets for the Donaire vs Santiago fight. I hope their situation will be taken into consideration. After all, it's not their fault that the fight has been postponed. Valuing the fans should be the top priority, especially when unexpected changes occur. It's crucial to ensure that no issues arise that would upset the fans.

Indeed, it's not the fans' fault, and they should get that consideration.

Though the chance of getting the chance of watching the fight, it's slim as mentioned, the ticket might be sold out now as there are
many fans who would like to witness the unification fights against Crawford and Spence expect that a refund may be the option for
those fans who already bought the early tickets, chance that they will only watch the fight thru PPV.

That is the best thing they can do and it is more likely that the fans who have bought the ticket have an option to choose between A or B because it will be unreasonable if they will decide without asking which is more comfortable to the fans as they were the ones who dragged the fight in the first place without giving any prior notice and to give them time to adjust with the new posted schedule if they can make it work. Also, best assume that most fans who bought the ticket cannot watch the fight live anymore specially to the people who have a hectic schedule or work.

I also think the addition of Donaire-Santiago undercard will give some boost to this event.  It is a treat for us to see the fight of Crawford and Spence together with Donaire and Santiago in one ticket.  I believe Donaire has still lots of fans out there aside from the curious boxing fans who wanted to see whether Donaire still has that sting.


I am also wondering what will happen to the tickets from Donaire and Santiago.  I somehow think that they will just let it be and let the ticket holder use it as an entrance to the fight since it wasn't the buyers' fault that rescheduling was made.

Yeah, that's why they might be given those two scenario's that I laid down because it's not their fault. Or maybe it will also include some perks like hotel accommodation or something because it's going to be a hassle.

As for the fight itself, I saw some post and feed on my social media accounts that Spence and Crawford are doing some light media work outs. It's probably to hype the fight even more as the date is just about a week .

That would be the expected scenario. The sad thing about fight postponements or changing of matches is that many of these fans are from far away states counties or states or even from other countries and they already booked their flights and hotels. So this is common to traveling fight fans but there is nothing they can do but probably continue their weekend short vacations and just enjoy the other stuff if they do not like the new fights, especially the new main events. I always hear these complaints and reactions from these fans but well, things sometimes happen unexpectedly.

If all of us have the luxury of both time and money, we're all going to be in the Crawford-Spence duel drinking beers. ;D

Don't rub it in mate, LOL. We could only wish that we can see Donaire vs Santiago and then Crawford vs Spence in the same night.  ;D. Nevertheless, I think there is PPV or even we can get to watch the fight for free so that is good enough for us.

For sure everyone of us here is excited and hopefully if there are members here that is stateside, maybe they are going to watch it. Nevertheless, its' going to be weekends so we can sit down with our friends and families and enjoy this great and exciting fight.

With the changes that have happened, I believe there's a big possibility that the PPV amount will surpass the PPV revenue of Davis vs. Garcia, which was very successful. Donaire can attract a crowd because he was once a good pound-for-pound boxer, and I'm sure everyone wants to see how an older Donaire will win a championship.

That's part of the strategy to sell the fight more. It's nice to watch the game when the undercards are already exciting to watch. We all know that Spence vs. Crawford is an anticipated fight and it's sure to generate a lot of money. But they cannot be too complacent; instead, they have added more attractions to maximize the opportunity of making it more profitable.

There are still no significant changes in the betting odds.

Spence 2.20
Crawford 1.60

Crawford by KO or TKO 3.35
Spence by KO or TKO 7.00

All the attraction points to Spence if you like a big win. Also, you have to believe that Spence will win so you'll not regret your decision. Spence by KO could happen, actually, since Spence has heavy punches and his KO rate is high. Maybe the quickness belongs to Crawford, but who knows.

Their KO difference is not that far and so I think they are somehow equal in that regard.
But when it comes to speed and reach advantage, that will be hard to debate because it is clear that Crawford does have those qualities, still, we cannot discount Errol Spence in this fight because he too can give an explosive and unexpected outcome. It will be a tight fight for sure and I'm sure that I'm not the only one that is still thinking which side to bet.

If we base on Thier standings and career records then we can say that they are not too far Thier statistics are almost the same but for me Spence has the momentum and have a good percentage of winning. Also this fight is one of the greatest awaited fight in boxing history because both fighters are strong and popular so without a doubt this will be the star of the year and gamblers must know for this to choose Thier favorite fighters and bet with them.

Everyone have their own sides to take, whatever we say here, it will not change a single thing if they already locked it in their mind whether if it's Crawford or Spence. Same with how would the fight go, people will always have a say regardless of the result. Some will say that it's because of inactivity and some will say that this fight should've made years ago when they are both younger compared today where the other one is already approaching his retirement phase.

You certainly got a point there my friend, this is just like the Mayweather vs Pacquiao fight where people will say that the fight should've happened years earlier when the latter is still at its best shape. But news flash mate, it's all about techniques even if it's off the court, we cannot blame some boxers if they choose to fight these known boxers when they are already old because they already knew their chances if they were to fight them at a younger stage and a defeat will certainly have a backlash in their career.

I can't say less, we know that in some cases things can be seen like this, but if we put it in another context and the most real one is because of the business model that both represent, of course now that they do great things we have considering that Spence attracts, and Crawford not to mention, so now if we compare him for example with a Nonito Donaire, I know that he will not attract as many fans as the previous ones, so that already changes a lot, first if they see that they bring more Money that happens, the case of Nonito happens in second place, as they see that it no longer it is so popular and it is something "old" the organizers think that it will not be the same money that they are going to bring.

I don't know if you've seen the news, but both boxers, both Crawford and Spence, have been very active in the news, on social media, in the articles, it's clear that Spence has also wanted to become more famous with this fight, I personally think that Crawford is the one who has to prove everything here, on the other hand I see that Spence is very relaxed, he talks as if he were Crawford's dad and that overconfidence is not good in boxing.

There is little left for this meeting, and things are getting difficult, I think that here I will be going more towards Crawford, because I see him more hungry, he is looking for the way to have that meeting and for a long time I have seen that Crawford has been struggling, I don't think he is going to come out with a bad performance, Crawford's training has to be of another level and for a long time.


and now:

Terence Crawford Reacts To Gervonta Davis’ Prediction For Errol Spence Fight

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Source: https://boxing-social.com/news/terence-crawford-on-tanks-pick-for-spence/ (https://boxing-social.com/news/terence-crawford-on-tanks-pick-for-spence/)

Well, things in boxing lend themselves to a lot of speculation, each person has their point of view, everyone says what they think best, and sometimes this must be respected, of course boxers are somewhat delicate when they talk about them, they can be good or bad things that are more delicate at this point, you have to know how to say them so as not to hurt their ego in any way, every boxer needs to have high self-esteem, a high ego, at least That is what we have always seen in every fight, and when someone speaks well or badly of a boxer, once in a while they can get a response , because they are messing with him , the spirits are there on the lookout.

And it just shows how great this fight really is, everyone has it's own opinion and it seems that we are all in disagreement/agreement as who will win this fight. Crawford or Spence, the real winner here is the fight fans.

For sure though, those backers of either boxer are going to be happy to see their boy winning the fight and the arguments will still continue after the fight itself. Just like so many great fights in the past, the debate will continue. So I have my own take on here, and so everyone does, but it doesn't mean that we can't appreciate the talent of the opposite side.

If I were to collect opinions from boxers so I can use them in my betting analysis, I would avoid Shakur Stevenson, Tank Davis, Jermell Charlo, etc. Tank Davis is not just handled by PBC and Showtime just like Spence but both are very close friends over the years. I would be more interested if Tank Davis shows us a $5 million bet on Spence if he is really that confident, see if he is willing to risk around 10% of his last fight's purse. Or news that says Tank is now willing to stop cherry-picking and fight the real dogs at 135. Shakur and Haney are waiting for this cherry picker to grow some balls. ;D

Anyways, I already had a 1.77 ML bet on Crawford weeks ago. Thought of adding some but the odds are becoming more favorable to the turning 36 Bud Crawford.

These boxers are wrong most of the time when picking the winner. It could be just a statement to mislead us, but what's important is that we trust our own prediction based on our analysis. At the end of the day, it's still our money at risk. That 1.77 ML odds is already good if you are confident enough that Spence will win, but if you aren't too confident, then I guess Spence has better value.

I never include other boxers' opinions when it comes to my analysis too if they are friends with the other boxers they will go for them even to the point of favoring them for a knockout win, and if they have a quarrel with the other boxer they will show it on their opinion, and besides we have videos of their past fights and their records, from there we can do a comparison on how well they will perform, but on this particular fight its hard to favor one over the other, you can go with either one and your chances could be good or bad.
This is the kind of fight we all wanted to see two undefeated champions who fight dominantly in the ring, I think both fighters are now in Vegas we are now waiting for the press conference and of course their face-off, everybody's waiting for this.
 

Which is valid. There's no reason why you should be influenced by someone when picking a pick, as there are other resources
that you can use to weight your decision.

In terms of this upcoming fight, both are highly dominated type of fighter and with how we witness
them inside the ring, it will be difficult to predict which will be better for this upcoming fight.

It will be depending on the performances that they will be going to show coming from the preparation
that they've prepared to execute. It's your own take to risk here. Both fighters are capable of winning.

In this type of fight, analysts and boxer's opinions are quite biased specially the latter because it's either they have been defeated that is why they are choosing the opposite side or they are a friend which is understandable why they are favoring Spence or Crawford.

So, you see, we cannot really count on them because in the first place, it's not their money whom we are betting with, it is ours and so we have to choose it personally and not because of what they are saying. Yes, our bets may somehow be biased specially if we are looking up on a certain boxer but we wouldn't be in that position if they are not that good or strong which impressed us.

Just wait until the fight comes if the line doesn't move that much from here I can see some heavy bets coming in on Crawford.  Dude is getting up there but he is still a monster amd this is the fight he needs to win to put legitimacy onto his career.  I wouldn't be surprised if dude knocked out Spence in the first 3 rounds.

^^ I'm not really sure if Crawford though can knockout Spence in just 3 rounds. Both are elite boxers, so maybe in the first couple of rounds it could be just feeling each other reading the moves, throwing feints and see what the other side will do or how they will react.

Of course a knockout is possible, but this two has high boxing IQ and with that, they will avoid getting trap and being knockout that early. It's already fight week and so everyone is really very excited to see which boxer will become undisputed.

We cannot say for sure because both of them is good in finishing the match by way of knockout but saying things like that in this situation is a bit of an overstatement knowing how good these two when they are fighting inside the ring. No need to underestimate either of the two because they are better than that and they are undefeated for a reason but in this fight, I'm ruling out the draw because one way or another, only one will come out victorious.

I couldn't say less. Also, there is a big reason why the fans around the world wanted to witness this fight for some years now because apart from the entertainment that they will see if the fight will happen, it will also bring them an answer on who is more dominant between the two elites because that question has been asked by many people for a few years now and I know some are already arguing about it even though they are only speculating about what would be the outcome.

Well, this time, that question will finally be answered. Just a few more days to be exact! 8)

It's always biased mate because we too have our own preference and standard of which helps us think who got the upper hand between the boxers who will fight in the said match.

But sometimes, we cannot help it because there are some instances that when we are unable to decide which one to bet and that is where these speculations given by the boxers will come out to help us to weigh which is better and do have a much higher chance in winning. We just need to filter which speculations are better.

It's fight week guys,

Live streams before the fight:

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Hopefully, everyone by now has put their bets on this fight, Crawford is still the favourite as far as betting odds. But we all know that this is going to be a very close fight!!!

Not totally wrong but these boxers' picks are also based on self-preference. Sometimes, they are disregarding and not recognizing the strength of their dislike boxers because of personal reasons. In other words, they are biased in their picks because maybe they have had an issue before with that boxer, beaten badly before by that boxer, and something along those lines.

I'd rather read and referred to those boxing analysts who are neutral most of the time and the factors to consider are all technical and not being a fan or hater. There are lots of boxing analysts here in our local sports that is referring to pure technical analysis when giving a pick.

Anyways, as I also mentioned before, many will pick Crawford here because they hated Spence ducking the scene strategy for a long time.

Boxing week and full of big fights this week!

I think many of us are excited, for a while I wanted to see not only Spence and Crawford, I also liked seeing Inoue in action, all the controversy that has been unleashed with Fulton, the things a boxer can say are great, he is also in charge of welcoming this boy, and boy is Inoue showing that nothing is too big for him, not to mention the Crawford and Spence fight, when the news came out I remember posting it on the forum, and everyone believed it was fake. news, in fact I even questioned myself, but luckily it was true of the fight.

So shortly into this, I recognize that Crawford here has always been looking for this fight, and I think he deserves this fight, he needs it, lifting his spirits is one of the things that he really requires, and he's been looking for it for over 2 years, so I think it's time for Crawford to make this request count.

Errol Spence Jr. vs. Terence Crawford referee, judges revealed

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Source: https://mmajunkie.usatoday.com/2023/07/errol-spence-vs-terence-crawford-referee-judges-revealed (https://mmajunkie.usatoday.com/2023/07/errol-spence-vs-terence-crawford-referee-judges-revealed)

Well, a lot is expected from this fight, I think that the winner here will undoubtedly be Crawford, I also think that this boxer has been dreaming of that moment, I have no doubt, but I think that things can be done very well, also as I said, CVrawford has been looking for this fight for a long time, it was about time that it could finally be done, if in any case he does not win the fight, I know what arguments the boxer could give, but he should do it with force gum.

Today's fight was very good with that of Inoue and Fulton, now the other good event that we have left is that of Spence and Crawford, I really feel lucky this week, which has been full of great boxing matches.

the odds in the stake are in favor of Terence, with odds of @1.60 while Spence is at odds of @2.26 which honestly most of the time I see this type of difference in important fights tends to win the favorite fighter, I'm not saying that in this case Terence will win, but it's more likely that the bookmakers will be right, Spence has good size and strength, while Terence has a good counterattack and a good defense, good speed and good footwork s what can allow him to neutralize his opponent's attacks, perhaps for this reason he is being favored by bookmakers

that's why in my opinion Terence will win this fight by decision, I haven't placed my bet yet, but in case I place a bet I'll bet on Terence to win this fight, without a doubt that it will be a very difficult and well disputed fight which will make both fighters stay more in defense and the fight will be prolonged, but the fighter who has the best counter-attack and best defense will win, for that reason I see Terence winning this fight, and it's a shame that I won't be able to watch the fight after After the fight is over I'll watch videos of the most important moments of the fight

There are ways that the sport bookies or at least bookmakers favored Crawford. Although he has only 1 belt, but I guess they favored him on the straight of his performances recently. And maybe if you look at the fighters that this two has fought, like Porter Jr, Crawford won via TKO while Spence just decision Porter in a hard 12 round fight.


It's a good analysis on your end if you think that Terrence will win and you should have put your bet already. ML is still very attractive and it's a good return if you will bet at least a good hundred dollars or more. And I think majority here will go with Crawford to win, maybe by decision or perhaps this fight will go over and last the full 12 rounds.

This fight could last for 12 rounds if both boxers can absorb the punches thrown at them. They are not the kind of fighters who are slick enough; they always want to exchange punches. Since both are strong punchers, honestly, I doubt it will go to the judges' scorecards.

With only a few days remaining, I just want to be optimistic that Crawford will win, as I believe he is the better boxer. Terrence may have more belts, but Crawford's wins have been very dominant and convincing. Let's see if Crawford will live up to our expectations.

Indeed, we need to balance and check the weight of their statements and try to find more about the possibility of their opinions.

With that guide, you will be able to conclude your decision and have that good chance to sort or pick
the right one in your own interpretations, but then again, there's no accurate opinion all are a base from'
the person perceptions it's still you as the one who will going to bet that needs to decide who or which
party you will going to place your money.

I share your sentiment. Yes, 12 long rounds is possible but if these two will confront each other in a toe-to-toe fight to see who will survive then I guess we won't be seeing the 12th round as there is a big chance that one of them will give up as their body cannot handle it anymore. They might be strong and have the ability to absorb strong punches, but let's not forget that abilities like that has a limit.

Also, I seriously doubt that Errol Spence Jr. were able to possess those three belts because if he chose to accept Crawford's invitation, by now, we already have the answers. But he didn't because he knew that his chances are much slimmer if he fought Crawford in the past years and chose to follow Mayweather's guidebook instead.

I have already bet Crawford by KO but after reading some comments I'm now unsure if I did the right choice.  ::)

Crawford may have won in this poll but the boxing community is also saying Spence has superior technical skills, he is also better in defense and is physically stronger. I may not even watch this fight because there is also another event in UFC but we're also going to be seeing them fight twice since both of them can activate their rematch clause as well.  

But knowing the magnitude of this fight, for sure they will play defense and could be hesitant to throw punches early. And as you have said, they are slick so they have their hands on their chin always and their ego will say that they don't want to lost and then got knockout as well.

You mean Spence might have 3 belts? but Crawford is the complete fighter, although the smaller one, but for me his IQ is just above everyone else at 147 lbs and it might play a big role if this fight goes to distance.

Right! I honestly forgot that UCF 291 will also happen in the same day, and this will be a struggle for sure specially for those who are fan of both sports because both event is surely a waste if we cannot see it. Anyway, I'm just looking forward to seeing the Crawford vs Spence fight and one undercard in that same event where Donaire is campaigning to be a champion again.

About the bet, I already got Crawford via KO. You just gotta trust your bet and gut mate because there is surely a reason why you chose that be and not the other way around.

Good luck with that fellas as it seems like there's plenty of things on your plate now ;D Let's hope that there will be some slight window for those fights so that you watch watch both events. Regarding about whom to bet, I also got Crawford by a way of knockout and if you'll ask me why, my answer is simple, I still believe that Crawford is not yet finished in building his legacy and still standing in his prime years where he can still dance gracefully even if that is Errol Spence Jr.

Seeing both these fighters can erupt once they see a chance, someone's gotta fall when that happens and it could either be Crawford or Spence. Let's say Spence superbly carries out his defenses as well. It might end up just as UD. Spence was once undermined before the fight with Mikey Garcia saying the only reason he can win is because he is bigger but he outboxed Garcia. All Garcia did in the end rounds was just protecting himself. I'll just hope I win big on UFC 291 if the KO we expect will not happen.

There's a weight from that statement, both egos will be there and for sure they will protect not to lose via KO,

Though on the back of my mind, Crawford may be taking this seriously and will try his best chance to knock Spence down
I believe that he's not going to waste this opportunity after Spence sign the contract. He waited for so long and now it is
his chance to conclude who's the best from this division and who will enjoy that hype after this fight.

Spence said that he doesn't care how he is going to win the fight and if it's a boring fight, it's also fine as long as he wins it. But I think there will be a lot of action as they are aware of the significance of this fight between them. But a win and its public effect might only be temporary as they have agreed on having a two-fight contract (https://www.dazn.com/en-US/news/boxing/is-there-a-rematch-clause-for-terence-crawford-vs-errol-spence-jr-change-rumoured-for-second-fight/zm83e7rhocoa1bt4zgrdz9olq) with a second one following if any of the two fighters wants it. I guess it is needless to say that it is almost certain that there will be a second fight after some time unless the loser is fine with being the loser, obviously.

Errol had their own strategy to win the game,So you should re-consider your bet.Crawford had good game like the Errol but the power of punch was more with Errol.So most of the people think Errol will win the game,because the boxing community think Errol had huge techniques compared to the Crawford.Welter weight champion Errol will face the Crawford on 29,July Saturday was the long waited game in the boxing community.Since it was the Saturday,the boxing ticket will be sold out maximum.Mike Tyson had act as the middle man for the coin toss between Crawford and Errol.The lucky guy of the toss is Crawford was unexpected one,but we can only able to see the final result on Saturday.

I don't completely agree, Crawford just isn't a power puncher who goes in there with no plan.  I mean we can talk about it until we are blue in the face guess we will just have to see.  I got Crawford tko rounds 7-9.  I think Crawford will wear Spence down in the later rounds.  Gonna be a good fight either way, and we are guaranteed a rematch if the losing boxer wants to run it back.

On a side note, there is a friendly bet between the two mayors representing this fighters,


https://www.boxingscene.com/spence-crawford-dallas-mayor-makes-friendly-wager-with-omaha-mayor--176466

So probably this news will boost the already hype fight because of the involvement of the mayors hehehe. Just couple of days left before the fight. We are going to see the full weigh-in and see the body language of the two.

And most likely everyone has his own analysis and could have put their bets already.

For sure that's what on their mind, to knockout each other out and then claim as the best 147 lbs fighter and then claim back the pound for pound from Naoya Inoue. So it's important for them to win by knockout.

But it's really hard to predict as I have said, they could be playing defense all throughout and waiting for a simple opening and take the chance. Maybe either one of them can win by a knockout or that they are evenly match that the fight will go to distance and then it's up to the judges to decide who is going to win in this fight.

Now that's a great friendly bet. Too bad most of my boxing personal friends are too busy with their lives and I am not sure if they are watching this fight live. Another friend connected with me but he is a changed man who's not into betting and liquor anymore for years now. Would've offered some wonderful stuff if anyone is interested. ;D

Anyways, Texas and Nebraska are always supportive of these 2 fighters ever since. Spence though has a huge market advantage knowing how big and rich Texas is compared to the rural-like state of Crawford. I just finished watching their last conference and it's cool, no bad blood but there was some trash talking including from the crowd. So from my earlier prediction of around 500k PPV buys, I believe that it should get a minimum of 800k now but hopefully, it will reach more than 1.2 million buys. Tickets are all sold out so an expected 20k fight fans will be watching.

This fight deserves to have at least 1 million PPV buys as they have hyped it a lot, and we thought it might not happen. Now that it's taking place in just a few days, I'm sure everyone is excited to see who the better boxer truly is.

Did the odds change a bit?

I'm checking now, and Crawford is becoming a heavy favorite from being a slight favorite.

Spence: 2.24
Crawford: 1.59

Nothing has change if I'm not mistaken, Crawford at the start is around 1.6k'ish odd, so just a small change in the odds but it's not that big to consider a swing on his favor. So it means that there are a lot of money in equal terms flowing in both direction. Maybe there will be some a small change, but its manageable and it can be covered.

And it's just a matter of how much bigger the PPV is, initially in the promotion of the hype, there is not that much noise. But come a few days before the fight there are a lot of speculations around and hype are getting bigger. So hopefully it can breach 1 million and so if will be the 2nd fight this year that we will have this big numbers based on the fighters themselves.

I'm with you here mate, yeah it seems that the hype has reaches it's peak as well and the timing is perfect for this guys to get the needed boost as everyone is talking about this mega fight in social media. So perhaps conservative estimates could run around 500k-800k PPV and then the highest could be around 1 million and higher and could even topple the record of Tank - Ryan Garcia fight in terms of revenues. And with that, both can make a tune of like $30M-$50M easy? What you think?

I also did not see any movement as far as the odds goes. Still Crawford is considered by the bookmakers as the favorite and then Spence, this is his first time to be the underdog after a long time.

I guess more bets are flowing on Crawford's side, but it hasn't changed a lot since Spence is also a champion, and probably the sharps are backing him with their bets. Both are champions, actually, but we cannot deny that fans see Crawford as the better fighter, so the odds will likely stay that way. It's up to us if we will choose the underdog and enjoy a good return in case Spence wins.

There's a lot at stake for Spence here, but he is willing to take that risk, so he must have a good plan on how to defeat Crawford. Losing here means losing his popularity as well.

Errol Spence may have 3 belts in his possession but certainly that doesn't mean that he is more superior or dominant than Terence Crawford that is yet to be answered this Saturday. Also because of his actions in the past years says different because it's somehow clear that he is ducking the latter and afraid to take the call then proceeds to wait the latter until to be much older. Just like what Mayweather did against Pacquiao at that time.

Indeed, we will be able to conclude now who's better between these two champs.

A long awaited fight that will unify all the belts in this division, fans will surely love how both fighters will going to execute
their respective strategy to win.

In that note about the similarity with how Mayweather handles the call in fighting Pacquiao, most of the fans feel that same way
but like what happened before, better than never. Let see if the same result will it be..

This thread is silent the day before this long awaited battle will finally takes place. Is this calm before the storm?

To all those who have been demanding and waiting for this moment, have you already placed your bet? As for me, I have already placed a small amount for Crawford. I can't miss betting on this mega-fight between undefeated fighters. Just ML to be safe even if I strongly believe this fight will not last 12 rounds.

This is it and the fight will now happen for real within just less than 24 hours.

At the official face-off and weigh-in;

Terence "Bud" Crawford @ 146.3 lbs
Errol "The Truth" Spence Jr. @ 147 lbs

Both fighters are look conditioned and no signs of any exhaustion or something along those lines because of hard training. I also like the way they talked to each other during the face-off and shake hands where in most cases, we are seeing rival boxers already starting to get heated once facing each other. It's like they are showing respect to each other and will just do the talking in the ring.

Let's get it on!

Goodluck with your bet. Both fighters are actually one of the best in boxing today for that reason. Though there are chances for Crawford to knock Spence down, but I don't think it is higher than his past opponent. Crawford is a very dangerous fighter, he can knock you off cold when he sees an opening. That same goes for Spence. You seriously can't have a higher percentage of KO if your punching power are weak.
However, I dont think either of both will be comfortable just throwing their usual jabs without being precautious. I expect they'll play safe at an early rounds, who ever gets the momentum and gets a bit comfortable will become the aggressor, the other one will stand more defensively as a counter puncher as well. This is the fight of 2 elite fighters - so there are no guarantee who will win and how will the match ends. 

@Oasisman. Agreed. The fight might start with both of them being very careful and make it almost boring, I reckon. Also, similar to some of the recent superfights we have witnessed, these fighters are already very rich and are also assured of millions from their share of the purse. They might not want to punched in the face early in the fight or for the whole fight hehehehe.

I also changed my vote to Spence. Who are these other 2 voters with me? @Boafeng? @bisdak40?

Yes, not just in their weight division, but throughout boxing, encompassing all weight classes. 2 of the best, undefeated boxers that we have right now, and fighting for the unification. This is the modern fight of the likes of Sugar Ray Leonard vs Thomas the Hitman Hearns.

So there are many scenarios in this fight, maybe they will just jab each other early and feel the power. Or the other guy going too aggressive and wanted to score a knockout or totally dominated the fight. We will see which style will win here, I'm thinking of Crawford has the advantage at first and then maybe Spence coming back from behind and winning the rounds.

Going to the big event tomorrow this is the result of the poll for this super fight

Terrence "Bud" Crawford   - 24 (88.9%)
Errol "The Truth" Spence   - 3 (11.1%)
Draw   - 0 (0%)
Total Voters: 27

They have their final face-off both fighters did not trash talk each other, from all the boxing events this year this one is by far the most exciting because we have three great fights in this event, The Donaire - Santiago title match, the Isaac Pitbull - Cabrera match and the much awaited Crawford - Spence fight, I hope we can watch this fight, I'll be early to check the live feed on social media.

So it seems like the Crawford vs Spence event has some more fireworks pre-fight night. Have you guys watched the altercation between former champion Caleb Plant and 2 division champion Jermall Charlo? Caleb Plant landed a slap on Jermall Charlo's face before the security was able to separate Caleb. (https://www.facebook.com/reel/1015437999481595) There were also rumors that the wives of twins Jermall and Jermell had another fight in the parking lot. :D So I am now changing my previous prediction of 800k PPV buys to a million plus in this event.

Can't wait for this event to happen. Looking forward to Nonito Donaire breaking his own record as the oldest bantamweight champion in history and the oldest champion in the present. There's also a battle between Pacman's MP Promotions fighter Isaac Cruz and his close friend and former coach Freddie Roach's protege Giovanni Cabrera. And the main event, I am looking forward to seeing Terrence Bud Crawford as the first ever 2-division undisputed champion in this  4-belt era. 

What's the beef though between Caleb and the Charlo's? Or maybe there was something that the Charlo's said against Caleb that he reacted violently and slapping him?


Yes, I think everyone is really hype on the Donaire vs Santiago fight and that everyone is expecting that at 40 years old, Donaire will break his own record as the oldest. His record for now stands at 38 when he knockout Ouballi. But he has a good chance to break it again.

Oh yeah, if Bud Crawford will win then he will be the first and most likely Inoue will be the second if I'm not mistaken. I totally forget that Crawford did it at 140 lbs already.

Even outside the forum, Crawford is still the heavy favorite. There have been rumors before that it was Spence who was ducking Crawford, so in the minds of the fans, Crawford is the better boxer. Additionally, if we look at Crawford's boxing record, all of his previous fights have ended in knockouts, so he would be breaking that streak if he does not win here via knockout. Personally, I believe that Spence is strong, but I like Crawford to win by KO because the odds are very attractive.

I noticed that, as well, Crawford still shows as favorite with how bookies place the odds.

Personally, it will be a tough fight for both fighters, but the winner will be the one who is much hunger for unifying the
belts and really wanted that fame to be declared as the best fighter from this division. We will witness who's going
to win and claimed all the belts when the announcer declared the name of the winner of this match.

Yes, it's hard to deny that Crawford is really getting all the votes from the people inside and outside this forum and honestly, it doesn't surprise me anymore because even before this fight has been made, I already know that Crawford will get the people's pulse. Not because of his story that he was fooled on their first negotiation but because people believed that he is a better boxer compared to Spence who acquired three belts beforehand.

Now for the final question, will Crawford able to make it straight into a reality and be the strongest in the welterweight division? Or most of us here are wrong about him and we might've underestimated the underdog who prolonged the fight.

Well, nobody can answer that question for sure because it's not just you but all of us who are excited to see this fight is also rooting to find the answer. And if I'm being honest, I'd say that Crawford got some chances to win over Spence, but we know that the latter is not that easy to overcome and it will be a tough battle before we can finally know the answer.

For now, let's enjoy and hopefully we will get the entertainment that we want for the fight later.

Can't wait for this fight.  I just hoe either way it's not one of those 1st or 2nd round wins.  I need to see a battle tonight.  So what's everyone here leaning towards?  I'm in on Crawford and might lay a little more.  And a flyer on tko in 7th-9th rounds.  I think this one is crawford's to lose.

I saw this and thought they were going to talk about the reason for all this fighting, but even the guys who were close to the two fighters didn't understand what was going on and just separated the two fighters so that there would be no more fighting, I saw it on a website where It said that Plant yelled at Charlo not to hit him again, which seems to me that if they hadn't stopped this fight early, things would have gotten out of hand and the fight would have been very serious.

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there are a few hours left for the fight to start and I won't be able to watch this fight, so I'll wait for the fight to end and I'll see the summary of the fight, I still maintain my opinion that Terence will win this fight, he arrives in this fight as the favorite and with odd of @1.67 is a good odd, too bad I don't have more funds to place a bet and also because I'm in the betting holiday mode until the 10th of August when the premier league starts, all I can do is watch the fight summary and guess who will be the winner, which in my case will be Terence

Anyone noticed that the odds has slightly changes? Crawford from 1.59 to now 1.53 ML. So it seems that someone or at least a lot of people are now betting on Crawford to win this fight at ML. Maybe after the face off and weigh-in, they might see something in Crawford that suddenly they bet on him.

So it's good still for Spence backers as the odds are very attractive as obviously he is the underdog. But smart money is going to Crawford now, and goodluck to those who have bet already. And just like the rest of the fans here, I'm also very excited about this fight and also the other fights in the undercard like Donaire and Pitbull Cruz vs Cabrera.

We are now up to four hehe.

Yeah, they might be very cautious at the opening rounds and we might be disappointed that this fight will not go as expected but I hope that they will slag it out to give the fans the worth of their money.

I give Spence the edge here as he is younger and taller, hoping he can work it out to his advantage but overall this one is very tough to predict.

Lol, are they promoting their future fight in the Crawford vs Spence? hehehe. I guess it has something to do when Caleb called out Charlo after his lost to Alvarez. However, I wasn't able to follow that news. Maybe something that Charlo said to Caleb back then.


Yeah, the undercard as well is very good, Cruz vs Cabrera could be another explosive fights as Cabrera is making fun of Cruz and Isaac really wanted to get his hands on Cabrera. Of course the might anticipated return of Donaire, we will see if he still has it. Winning the WBC belt back will put his name on the history again, not just at 118 lbs, but could be the oldest reigning champion for this year.

Right now this early three hours before the event, I am looking for pages that will likely show a live feed for free of the two undercards Cruz vs Cabrera and the Donaire - Santigao title match is all good we know how good Pitbull Cruz is but Cabrera is also a decent fighter he is unorthodox with very quick long hands I have seen him fight twice and I'm impressed he is undefeated but if he cannot make Cruz respect his power he is in big trouble.

The Donaire - Santiago is one fight we all waiting we will see if this is Donaire's final fight or if he will continue if he wins the match and the title.

And of course, the much-anticipated match between Crawford and Spence that took several years to deal with, I bet $100 against a friend that Crawford will win, it's a tough match to bet the fight could go either way, it will go to a fighter who wants it most. 

I am also looking for sites that can show the live feed but failed.  I also wanted to see the match between Donaire  and Santiago in real time but it looks like I have to depend on the updates after the fight. 


I hope it will work that way and not goes to the decision where the fight goes to the fighter who the judges wanted to win it most.  I also think that these two boxer will take their time sizing each other and action might start at the mid-round  maybe 4 or 5 rounds where action will start escalating.  I hope this fight won't be boring where the fight becomes a chess battle waiting and reacting.

I expect a slow start for both fighters because they both have respect for each other's power and reputation they will size each other for the first three rounds, and the action will start in round 4 and up, where they need to take action to compile points or have the advantage before they head to the middle rounds, we will know who has the upper hands in the middle rounds and if the fights go the distance both fighters will pour it out in the championship rounds.
Anywhere I look at it, it will be a very exciting match.

Yeah, Spence said that he wants to dictate the phase and uses his jab. So it's going to be a technical fight here, with Spence using his jab and most likely Crawford switching from lefty to orthodox as he is known to do this a lot in his fight to confuse his opponents.

It could be very well go to distance, but I'm thinking that in this fight, we will see someone going down in the later rounds. As they will be going at it in the middle rounds and then someone controlling it in the championships round and maybe score a knockout.