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Date: September 16
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So, it's officially announced earlier that Jermall Charlo will move up in weight to challenge Canelo Alvarez which i think is the best fight for Canelo this year as a rematch with Bivol is too risky and yet he has nothing to gain if it will be in the SMW division.

What do you think of this fight guys, still cherry picking or Charlo will give Canelo a run for his money?

https://www.insidesport.in/canelo-alvarez-vs-jermall-charlo-boxing-clash-confirmed-for-september-16-ppv-service-and-more-info-revealed/

You beat me to this, there's a post I'm following about these two colliding because these two are trash-talking each other, Charlo has a two-year lay off not good fighting a guy fresh from dominating his last fight.

This is a very exciting fight and I guess the best part will be the media conferences where we expect a lot of thrash talks to hype the fight, Canelo will be the biggest draw here and the overwhelming favorite if Harrison has beaten Jermall, Canelo can do better the fight is still two months but we'll hear more news and thrash talking between the two.

I saw yesterday that there were a lot of criticisms made by some bettors and boxing fans on social media/Twitter, between Alvarez vs Charlo, this criticism invited many pros and cons for bettors, one side is good and on the other hand this is bad.

There is particular reason in this for Alvarez and Charlo.
I quote the statement and the reason.

Although there is a lot of criticism about their fighting potential, but I am pretty sure both of them will give their best and professional in the ring, as we have seen, both are the best boxers, apart from some criticism, what is clear is that we will see which one of them will display the best strength and skills they have, in my opinion they are both worth betting on and watching, of course the choice of one of them is Alvarez or Charlo. We can judge for ourselves, of course.

Damn Charlo need to increase his weight between 6-14 lbs because he was a light middleweight boxer, he skipped the middleweight division. Charlo never fought in other division too, so this will become his first time to fight in the other weight division. Canelo is really get a lot privilege, the venue might happen on Mexico. This is definitely cherry pick, Canelo will beat Charlo in easy.

This is a really tough fight for Charlo, he hasn’t fought for 2 years. Strange he did not take a tune-up fight first before fighting the best fighter in the world. Seems like a suicide mission but it will pay well, I bet.

I think Canelo will be the big favourite here, I predict a late stoppage.

Jermall Camp is putting their boxer at a big risk, Canelo is not an average boxer he beat so many good boxers in the middleweight and he is very fresh from dominating Ryder his two years lay off will have an impact, even the best boxer needs a tune fight before going against a fighter who is his equal but unfortunately Canelo is way better than Jermall.

Because of his camp's eagerness to face Canelo and get all his belt Jermall is in a dangerous situation he needs to train hard and get the best sparring partner that moves like Canelo.
I'm also predicting a knock win by Canelo his skill and power will prove too much for Jermall

Big names, good records. Would be exciting as we all know, especially die hard faans out there. Charlo, who is undefeated but rested for years versus a man who jist got into one. Both has enough power to knockout their opponents but I guess I'd go with Canelo on this one. It is not really a handicap on not being able to fight in the fmring for a year or more but alvarez has just edge with experience. Age on the other hand could be a factor but Canelo has provem himself countless times. A bias to alvarez in polls would be obvious but it will just be decided once the bell rings. It is either Charlo's hunger or Alvarez' pride, given the 'beef' which was heaten up recently.

I thought so too. It may just be as hoping for a fluke. Canelo is looking forward to a rematch against Bivol of course he will be looking for someone that could be easy to bring down and he is not wasting time,e he wants it next year. Although Charlo is one of the best, the division is Canelo's domain.

For Charlo to really challenge in a manner where he has to get loaded is like taking a fall for Canelo money.

It looks like Canelo Alvarez's camp got a deal that they are looking for.  Canelo Alvarez is at his best in this weight category so I think Canelo has all the advantages here.  This will be a huge challenge to Jermall Charlo since he goes up in weight and fights Canelo on his domain.



It is possible that the pot money is big enough for them to risk Charlo's career aside from the belt, it is also possible that Charlo is gaining weight and has difficulty maintaining the weight needed on his current division.  But whatever Charlo's camp reason, they should have scheduled a tune-up fight for him so that Charlo can familiarize himself with the weight division especially he came from a long hiatus.

Thanks to this, yeah, I posted it here when  it was still a rumor hehehe. (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5370631.msg62412104#msg62412104) So it finally made official now.

And if I'm not mistaken, Jermall Charlo has been calling out Canelo for years now, before his hiatus and inactivity in boxing. Nevertheless it's a good fight for him money wise. But I think he will be too small for Canelo though, he is a good middleweight champion, but going up in weight and inactive in the last years or so might be too much for Charlo. So let's see if Canelo can get back to knocking out his opponent or if he is over the hill now and can't pull the trigger.

This is a bad time for Jermall to take the Canelo fight, he has two years lay off and it will show up in his fight like what happened to Josh Taylor against Teofimo Lopez, Canelo is just coming from a dominant win against Ryder and his momentum will carry on this fight.

I'm sure this is going to create a lot of hype I don't know if Jermall will show aggressiveness in their press conferences as he did against Harrison, you don't want to anger Canelo because he brings his anger in the ring.

There's no doubt Canelo Alvarez is the clear favorite here. His enemy hasn't had any fights for the last 2 years. I guess the trashtalks were worth it, because Alvarez clearly took the bait. It's a huge paycheck for Charlo even if he loses this fight because a lot of people will clearly be watching this fight solely because of Canelo.

This isn't worth it to bet. Odds are stacked against Charlo, and the best lines here perhaps is at what round will Canelo will win, which is a coin toss really.

Yes, but who can say no to Canelo fight? Alvarez is the cash cow, and just like Manny Pacquiao during his height, everyone wanted to fight him because it's a sweepstakes. And maybe this is what the camp of Charlo is thinking for sure.

I do agree, the Charlo brothers is known for trash talking, but I don't think that Canelo will back down from trash talking. He has improved his English a lot, and if I'm Charlo, I wouldn't go that fire and awake the fire in Canelo. Don't trash talk him as it might back fire on him, like in the Caleb Plant.

There's no odd yet if I'm not mistaken. But I do agree that Canelo will be a huge favorite again in this fight. Could be like the Ryder fight as per odds. But in any case, I don't see this fight as hype though, I mean Canelo could be still be the cash cow, but fighting a boxer who has been on almost retiring and very inactive for many years? what gives?

Why Canelo camp chooses Jermall Charlo when they can have Bivol or Benavidez? Is this just one of those cherry pick fight for Alvarez? Or this is going to be the norm for him as he is now on a decline?

Yes, we've seen that in the last couple of fights of Canelo, they are indeed cherry picking their opponents now. Charlo's best weight division is middleweight, 160 lbs and he was a champion. So his body need to adjust to the needed weight and I'm expecting that in the weigh-in, he might be below the required weight of 168 lbs.

Although he can claim that he can easily make the weight because he don't have to diet or something. But still though, there is a lot of adjustment carrying that extra weight that your body is not accustomed too. Plus the speed and the power itself, it might not be enough to upset Canelo and he might just walk through Charlo's power here.

Jermall Charlo is in for the money, no doubt about it, i think he feels that there is not much money fight for him in the 160lbs division so calling out Canelo is a very good strategy and for the latter it is also a good fight for him since both David Benavidez and Bivol are risky fights that he might end up nothing, no more belts in hand.

This is the typical Canelo we have here, cherry picking once again a fighter who has not fought in more than two years and i do hope that no "rehydration clause" that will be stipulated in the contract as Jermall is 6'1" and he could be bigger than Canelo come fight night.

Bu Charlo is a 160 lbs fighter throughout his career as a boxer, I don't think he could be bigger than Canelo come fight night. In terms of height yeah, all the advantage is with Charlo, but as far as weight goes, it will still be Canelo and this is his weight as he remains the undisputed champion at 168 lbs.

And it's obvious that Charlo has been looking at 160 lbs, he can't go down to 154 lbs because his twin brother is at that weight class. So he has been calling Canelo out for years but Canelo doesn't respond until Alvarez started to do cherry pick fights after his hand surgery.

Yes, there's no doubt and honestly, I'm disappointed about Canelo Alvarez because lately he's been saying nonsense stuffs about this and that but in the end, here he goes, cherry picking his opponents because he's not the same anymore especially now that his wrist is not in 100 percent full condition.

Jermall Charlo is just taking advantage of the opportunity because he knows himself that he's not getting any younger anymore, so why not fight for a much bigger money this time and who knows, he might upset Canelo too although it's quite difficult to think because Canelo owns this division. But we'll see though.

We don't know for sure, I mean we know that it's already a money fight and Canelo is looking at this fight as a cherry picking or might be another tune-up because of his situation but there is a side of me which is curious why Charlo is so determined and confident to call out Canelo on his own weight class. You know what I mean? I'm thinking that after all, Charlo is just sinking his size to fit at 160 lbs. when in-fact he's already fit to fight at 168 lbs.

The case of Jermall Charlo is really intriguing to say the least, he hasn't fought since 2021, and yet WBC hasn't stripped him of their championship. And there is a rumor floating around that says Charlo has been in some mental problems, it could be personal, that's why he hasn't fought for a long time.

And suddenly we heard that he is going back in fighting and then have Canelo as his comeback fight?

So very interesting pick of opponent from the Canelo side, for sure they know all the back story and it's obvious they are cherry picking Charlo for Canelo here.

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WTF is this? So Canelo is going to fight a guy (at least he is not a total trash with spoiled record), that hasnt fought for two years, is not going to fight in his usual weight class, and the fight might be in Mexico again. And this guy isnt even a mandatory challenger. After that, what is that "my legacy" Canelo is talking about, when he is cherry picking his opponents like that. I am disappointed with Canelo. He is turning into Mayweather, he is gonna fight much weaker opponent or even have that clown exhibition fights just for the money...

WBC has favored Jermall Charlo to retain his belt even without having any title defense because the WBC champion had a serious head injury and other personal matters to solve, which made people to speculate that Charlo had a mental illness following his head injury.

Although none of that were confirmed, it will still remain as a mystery on why Charlo stayed inactive for almost two years.

And now that he is making his return, hopefully we can receive any answers during one of their few press conference or at least post-fight press conference.

This is a good fight for Canelo as he seeks to face well-known boxers. Jermall Charlo, being a popular middleweight boxer, makes for an exciting opponent. While Canelo may not be considering moving up in weight, he consistently provides entertaining fights by not choosing lesser-known boxers.

Jermall Charlo currently maintains an undefeated record with 22 knockout wins in 32 fights, showcasing a strong track record. I believe he will present a tough challenge for Canelo.

@bisdak40, if there's a poll it would be better.

The biggest question right now and I'm sure will be asked in the press conference is why a fighter like Canelo is in his comeback fight, I know Jermall is good but even a great fighter will have a hard time dealing with ring rust, two years is enough to consider it like retirement, unless he is not stopping his training and does sparring at least 2 weeks in a month.

Jermall will have a good excuse if he loses by knockout and I will be surprised and praise him if he upsets Canelo, Canelo's speed and power is still there, even though his dominant win against Ryder is being questioned.

This will going to happen, and there's no doubt about that unless Charlo knocks him out. You see, there are lots of things to see whenever boxers like them will clash inside the ring, and one thing about this fight is their underestimation of Charlo; he needs to do everything in his training to surprise Canelo because it won't be like his last fights and this time he is expected to dominate him throughout the rounds in order to win the fight, but that's not possible in his current state. so, he needs to work hard to hone that unique skill to defeat Canelo.

Canelo is not undefeated, so it's likely that Charlo's camp is already studying and experimenting to identify Canelo's weaknesses. However, it's important to note that it's easier said than done. While Canelo has experienced two losses in his career, it does suggest that defeating him is not impossible.

By the way, have the betting odds for this fight been released already?

He will have a good excuse if he will be defeated by Canelo but I don't think that he'll just sit quietly and wait for that to happen because it will be his first defeat, if ever. Besides, I cannot deny that it's hard to think that he will upset Canelo in his own comfortable division nor gamble against Canelo this time, and people are somehow saying the same thing too that.

But since Charlo agreed to fight Canelo in his return, I would like to think that there is a good plan behind this move because even this is a good paycheck for him after 2 years outside the ring, his record is also on the line. Anyway, still an exciting event so far.

I am impressed with his decision. He doesn't seem to place too much importance on maintaining his undefeated record, especially considering the possibility of Canelo defeating him. This is a significant opportunity for Charlo, as fighting Canelo would undoubtedly generate substantial pay-per-view subscriptions and could be a defining moment in his career. While many may assume Canelo will easily win this fight given his dominance in the division, I prefer to entertain the possibility of a different outcome.

I doubt Charlo has a good chance to beat Canelo, Charlo only fought once in the last 2 years and he need to fight Canelo, one of biggest boxers in this era.

I checked several sportsbooks and I don't find they included this fight, but I'm pretty sure Canelo will be heavy favorite. I think this fight isn't final yet as the venue and judges are still not announced.

Well, he's been given a chance it's Canelo the undisputed and the most popular boxer now, he'll earn more than 3 or 5 of his last fights, so even if he is on two years lay off he'll take a crack, Jermall is still in his prime he is also a champion and he is one guy who goes for a legacy fight.
People think he has a slim chance but he is a fool to just turn back on this fight when every fighter wants Canelo
I voted for Canelo via knockout, but I could change my mind if Jermall can show something in the course of their conferences and face off.

Canelo was something like 1.04 to beat Ryder. The odds won’t be anywhere close to that for this fight with Charlo.

This could be a big challenge for Carlo after being active for the past years, and fighting a big boxer on his return is not an easy one because Canelo are still fresh and hot from a big win on his previous fight. Canelo will be the favorite here and personally will look for a better odds to place a bet with him, this can still be an interesting match though.

As per the news, Canelo's fight against Charlo is part of the three-fight deal with Premier Boxing Champions:

- against Jermall Charlo
- against David Benavidez*
- against David Morrel Jr.*

After Charlo, Canelo is supposed to fight again in May and September 2024. For some analysts, Canelo might have been offered a big paycheck for accepting this deal as it's risky for the "cash cow" to just accept fights, and generally, the usually followed timeline for Canelo is at least 1 fight per year.

*still undetermined

He is still a lesser known opponents in my opinion, so I disagree with you. You can go to social media and there are fans not approving this fight. I do hope that you understand that Charlo is a 168 lbs fighter? and he has been inactive for the last 2 years because of personal reasons?

Records could be deceiving as well yeah 22 knockouts, but he is going to add up additional 8 lbs just to make the weight. And as he is inactive, he might have gain more already and needed to lose that pounds again. So it will be a big issue for Charlo here.

I thought that Morrell is going to fight Benavidez next, but we haven't heard any news yet and if I'm not mistaken, I read that the fight is not going to happen. It could be a sort of eliminator as they are all looking to fight Canelo.

Nevertheless, if this is the 3 fight deal then only David Benavidez is a good fight for Canelo in my opinion. As you can see in the comments here, fighting Charlo who is inactive, and then Morrell who might be good in paper, but the fight might not be a good one for Canelo's legacy. So it's either Bivol or David Benavidez could really cemented Canelo as the one of the best in this generation.

I do consider it a cherry pick. Charlo was a good fighter in his prime but never really reached the elite level. He's been inactive for 2 years now and will be fighting in a new weight class against Canelo.

David Benavidez is the opponent fans were hoping would face Canelo. He already earned the opportunity by becoming the interim champion but it seems that he is too much of a threat and wasn't even considered when Bivol and Badou Jack turned down offers from Canelo. There is no logical reason to choose a semi-retired fighter over Benavidez, but we've already become accustomed to Canelo picking and choosing the most beatable opponents.

Right, and the only fighter that went wrong with them is against Bivol, when they thought that they can beat the Russian. But Bivol was a different breed and was not affected by Canelo's skills or what not. He simply goes out there and fight his game and it could be the start of Canelo going downhill.

So Bivol declined their offer, they don't talk about the next Mexican warrior in Benadivez.

And then we are surprised to see them picking a inactive fighter and not a natural super middleweight.

I'm already expecting to read some statements like this whenever there are some who are questioning Canelo's current situation and chances after he had that surgery. The thing is, I'd be more glad if Canelo will be listed as the favorite or even a heavy-favorite because that means that betting on Charlo's favor will come with a high odds, which I think will happen because this is Canelo's division.

Ok, make sense, I thought that Canelo is going to re-sign with MatchRoom, so it seems that he moves to PBC and Al Haymon and have this 3 fights. So it also means that there will be no rematch to Bivol as he is with Eddie Hearn and MR, although if I'm not mistaken, PBC has also a deal with DAZN?

And so it was Charlo who will get the first crack at Canelo as a debut for him being in the PBC. But again, he has been criticized for choosing Charlo but it's a business move as he is now under Al Haymon. And now Bivol has no dance partner and could be just waiting for the mandatory fighter for his belt, or choose to go after Beterviev.

It should've been David Benavidez.
Well, Canelo Alvarez's camp wins. I don't think they want their boxer to be on the brink of losing so they will go for a smaller guy who will try and increase his weight and then go slower. Which I think will be a match for Canelo.
I was waiting for them to say it will be up against Benavidez because I thought Canelo's camp will be forced to do it after they knew that they could not get a rematch from Bivol and before the WBC title is stripped from him.

Here it goes, I just wish this will be an exciting fight. I guess I will be forced to bet for Canelo here as Jermall Charlo will need to gain weight while he is training which I think will be a hard task. If it's Benavidez, then I might bet for him.

That is not the fight boxing fans expect, that is the fight Canelo fans expect. They dont care who his opponent is, all they care is another +1 in his record. I highly doubt that Charlo has been training secretly for last two years and invented a new hidden punch. Canelo needs this fight to have a dominating win after a loss to Bivol. He tried to recover reputation with Ryder, but he gave him a proper fight.

If this fight happens like 3 years ago, then maybe Charlo have a chance, but it's slim with his version though. He might be doing some light trainings during the time that he is out, but I guess it's not enough to beat a version of Canelo, although we have seen Canelo declining like in the Ryder right.

Charlo though is the real winner because Canelo chooses PBC now, imagine being inactive but then again, since he was maybe a favorite of Al Haymon, he was given a chance to fight the cash cow, so money for him is on the table and maybe if he lost here, then go back to his semi retirement.

On the other hand, it was also reported that Benavidez has sign a 3 fight contract with PBC, so eventually I think they are in a collision course later. For sure this is the target of Benavidez as well so Canelo can't go and hide on his excuses anymore. Unless he doesnt' want to fight David and chooses other fighters in the stable of PBC.


No odds yet since the fight is rumored to be scheduled on September, nevertheless, Canelo is the favorite here and ML might not be attractive. And so if we want to bet then we should look for other options, at least a good return to us and worth the money.

There's no official betting odds but we can see some odds from https://www.sportsbettingdime.com/news/boxing/opening-odds-canelo-alvarez-vs-jermall-charlo-fight-september-16th-2023/


As you can see, Canelo is the heavy favorite although he might be facing a tough challenger, so if some of you here believe that Charlo will win, that +182 odds is good for you, $100 to win $182.

I guess both boxers don't have anything to lose especially Canelo as it will be not his first time to lose in a fight but it's kind of questionable if it will happen because the fight will be contested at super-middle where he practically owns the division. While Charlo here, don't know what's up with him for choosing Canelo in his return, but just like Canelo, he doesn't have anything to lose because his days are considered over already as two years is quite a long time.

That's a reasonable assessment. Canelo is currently the favorite due to his established status, so it's not surprising. It presents another test for bettors who must decide whether to place their trust in Canelo's continued dominance and bet on his odds or consider his opponent, a rising star in boxing.

Personally, I have a feeling that this fight won't go the distance of 12 rounds. Given the aggressive nature of both boxers, an early knockout is quite possible.

There is only one thing that can pause Canelo from being aggressive - his wrist isnt healed fully. He did not use his left much in a fight against Ryder. This time, perhaps he is going to give his hand another test before a bigger fight (I hope so). But, like Ive said, Canelo has trapped himself into being one of the beat. No matter who he fights in middleweight, everyone see his opponent as an underdog. That is why he needs to go up in division.

This fight will present another challenge to Canelo's wrist but I'm thinking that he will carry this disadvantage throughout the end of his career because somehow, we can assume that he's already at sundown plus there's a wear and tear that will be a factor in the healing process of Canelo's wrist as he's also aging already.

We all know that Charlo is not a pushover either even if he was inactive for almost two years because during his good years, he was a very impressive boxer in his division.

It could be a big factor as you have said, his wrist might not have been fully healed or they rushed things up so that they can set up a fight with Ryder. Unfortunately, the result is not good for the boxing fans, although Canelo wins.


Yes, but the ring rust though, it's two years plus it is reported that Charlo has a mental problem and that's why he was laying off for a long time. I think it will definitely affect him and then he should also need to get back in shape and add 8 lbs on his frame.

It's not common for African-American to have mental problems, it's not their thing. They'd rather beat someone on the street than deal with mental stuff.  Getting crazy is not their thing.
It is true however that Charlo has less chance of winning against Alvarez. A bad combination that he is adding weight and has not fought for years.

It's interesting for Canelo to sign on Premier Boxing deal for 3 fights yet no Bivol is included in it.  Giving up or he will just wait til Bivol loses against Beiv fight which negotiation for a rematch will be easier.

I can't remember though, maybe it was Alvarez who has started signing just 3 fight deals moving forward. Maybe he learned it the hard way when he wanted to get out of the GBP contract, it was ugly on either side. Then he goes to Eddie Hearn, now with PBC.

As for the mental problems, if will hit anyone, specially sports athlete as they are always in the lime light, both men and women.

It's just the question on how you will overcome it. Like Ryan Garcia has several tune up fights to bring back his confidence. But in Charlo's case, it's different, his comeback is against Canelo Alvarez and that's why majority of the boxing fans are not giving him chance to win in this fight.

Jermall Charlo may be a good and powerful boxer, but I think Canelo will easily dismantle him in this fight. Like other matches such as the Davis-Garcia fight, this match may only be exciting if we look at the plain numbers or their records and accomplishments. But if we take a closer look at each one of them, it may not be a good match.

When Charlo defended his title against a nobody in Montiel and only got a UD, it spoke a lot. That was way back June of 2021. From that time on, Jermall was nowhere to be found. He wasn't fighting in the ring anymore. We learned that he was fighting another battle: mental health.

So if I were to take into consideration that Jermall is inactive for more than 2 years before fighting Canelo, that he has just faced mental health problems, that he's moving up in weight class probably because of all those years of inactivity, I'd totally understand that this early Canelo is 1.42 favorite while Charlo is 2.82 underdog.

He was inactive for a while, and that was a weakness he had in this fight. Now, he has suddenly come back, but instead of choosing a tune-up fight, he is directly fighting Canelo, whom the latter loves because it's an easy fight for him. The odds are clear, and fans believe he will lose. However, hopefully, he won't just lose without putting up a fight. After all, he has an undefeated record and this is the biggest fight of his career, so he should not waste this opportunity.

He will definitely put up a fight here, but I doubt that it will be enough to even beat a version of Canelo who might be in the sunset of his career. If Charlo is active though it might be a different story. But we have seen boxers who hasn't been in the square arena fighting after many years of layoff just losing even though they are great before. He is just lucky that he was given this fight by PBC and for Canelo this is going to be easy for them. He might be good for at least 4 rounds before Canelo stepping up and giving a hard time for Charlo.

Needless to say, both boxers have their own disadvantages and problems that makes the win quite blurry as of the moment, and I can say that it is going to be a tough fight for both boxers because of that. Moreover, I see no advantage about this fight either except for Canelo's evident factor that he will get some help once the fight goes to the judge's hand mainly if the fight seems too tight.

It just got me thinking though, perhaps this case can't be applied to Jermall Charlo as he is inactive and not a natural Super Middleweight contender. But if John Ryder can last 12 full rounds against Canelo, what will happen if Alvarez faces a young fighter in Benavidez? Is this the reason why they didn't choose him in the first place and take a easy fight in Charlo?

But the thing is, he signs with PBC and sooner or later Canelo will have to dance with Benavidez, but it might be too late for Canelo as he might not be in the same shape as he is years ago.

Most probably because Charlo is inactive, yet he has a popular name, so Canelo would still be able to ensure that the fight will sell. It will be an easy route for him to win and earn a lot of money. Slowly, Canelo has become less exciting to watch due to the fighters he chooses, unlike before when he would willingly take risks against champions.

I don't care about the outcome of the fight, but I would truly admire Canelo if he were to fight Benavidez and give the fans what they deserve.

It's only Benavidez that is worth noting in that 3 fight deal with PBC. And just like in the GGG fight wherein GGG have to sign with DAZN and chase Canelo, this might be the case here as Canelo has no more excuse not to fight the young Mexican.

So maybe David will be the last of the 3 fight deal. At least it is good for Canelo and we don't know if he is going to continue with his legacy and fight other big names or rematch Bivol later after his PBC stint.

Finally, the dream fight of pussymall Charlo comes into reality. Bad timing though as Canelo caught him inactive. But this fight is the main reason why Mall is either cherry-picking or just staying inactive to preserve his 0 which is as always attractive to Canelo.

It's crazy how Moneyricio Sulaiman is not stripping the WBC belt but most likely that his organization is being paid by PBC to treat them beyond its rules.

Anyways, I would love to see Cownelo butchering Charlo into oblivion. But maybe Canelo is not the same anymore so I just voted for him to win by decision. Rumors by the way that Canelo signed a 3-fight deal with PBC are circulating. So most likely 2 more fights in 2024's Cinco De Mayo weekend and Mexico's independence day weekend in September. So this deal is probably the reason why Benavidez opted not to face the undefeated Cuban David Morrell as it might be too risky.

Thanks bro, just as I expected, the odds are much closer than for the Canelo vs Ryder bout.

These are official, you can bet them at FanDuel.

If you are aiming to make a huge win, Charlo would be a good choice. The likelihood of him winning however is less 50%. Risk is a risk.
If you have to bet for Canelo for a bigger win, choosing which round where the fight might be stopped or Charlo gets KOed is an option. It's possible on the 5th. It would surprise me if Charlo lasts 5th round. 

A long wait for Bivol's rematch since he has to finish that PBC contract til Benavidez. Benavidez is still a good match for him.

The Bivol rematch might happen next year or maybe we will not see that happening at all as Canelo is with PBC now. Bivol is with Eddie Hearn and Match room so I doubt that they are going to work out as Canelo's contract with PBC is exclusive for a 3 fight deal.

I wouldn't go and bet for Charlo to win though, as discussed, long lay-offs and then he going up in weight.

Might be interesting if he can last the full 12 rounds as that could be a good odds.

That was an unexpected news because I thought that Canelo Alvarez was already good under Eddie Hearn's banner, but it seems to me that it wasn't the case because he is now with PBC. Quite interesting, honestly, because I'm seriously thinking that Canelo and his team is aiming something that only PBC can do and achieve that for him, and not Eddie Hearn. We know that PBC got a good relationship with the judge's and sanctioning bodies, so that might be the reason or something that is more interesting.

Yes it is a good chance to win this fight I think it is a good number for us to bet in this match.
This match will definitely be fierce, I'm starting to think about trying to enter the stakes in the duel this time.

For sure, that is what we know because that is what they want for us to know but somehow, I like to think that it is safe to say that they are cooking something behind the curtain hence the sudden climb made by Canelo himself.

Too soon to think about that because we now have something on our plate, so it's best to focus on what we have as it is likely that Canelo will still pursue Bivol after his fight with Charlo, regardless of the result.

Sad but true mate, corrupt Sulaiman under the WBC for decades now, and perhaps they really ruin this organization when father and son takes over.

Yeah, most likely May and Sept are reserved again for the Mexican cash cow, so Sept for Charlo, big fight for him, money is going on his side despite him not being stripped by the WBC of his belt.

And I thought that Morrell vs Benavidez is done deal, perhaps Benavidez waiting for the result of this fight and he could be next in line for Canelo next year in Cinco de Mayo, two Mexicans on their holiday week, gonna be huge.

Yes, it really looked like Morrell vs Benavidez is a done deal as even PBC or Showtime IIRC posted it. In the past, I believe that Benavidez is the only one that is willing to face anybody. It's funny though, Benavidez literally ducked Morrell upon knowing Canelo is signed with PBC. So what is Benavidez doing in nearly a year? His nearest date for Canelo is Cinco De Mayo weekend. He needs 1 or 2 fights prior to that. So is Benavidez going to stay inactive or cherry-pick weaker oppositions to preserve his big-money fight with Canelo?

All that talks about Canelo ducking Benavidez and Charlo for years by preferring to stay with DAZN. Canelo did mention before that instead of waiting for him to fight Benavidez and Charlo, why not both fighters fight each other while he is consuming his contract with Matchroom? Both Charlo and Benavidez did not face each other even if they are in the same promotion and network. So it seems like everybody becomes a duck when they become the A-side or when they have something to milk like a championship belt.

I don't know if Charlo did have the chance to fight Benavidez as David might be campaigning at 160 lbs and we all know that he has some issues with drugs and lost his belt that way. And then Charlo becoming inactive and then Benavidez get his shit together and now becoming one of the best fighter that might challenge Canelo in the future.

But if the fight against Morell is not going to materialized then I guess his career will be frozen waiting for the Canelo vs Charlo outcome.

So him and his father better be accepting the fight with Morrell to keep them busy instead of going inactive as this could be a excuse if they lost to a not so prime Canelo.

That's the sad reality, though. Accusations are being thrown around between fighters, but in truth, they are just playing the game to generate money. Nowadays, there are no genuine boxers who fight for pride. The boxing world has become less exciting, and although we complain, we still end up watching because we feel we have no other choice.

Alvarez is for this fight , he will certainly win against  Charlo that has a long period of no going up in the ring , yeah given that he consistently training even without a fight yet ? the momentum will always go for those boxers that continuously fighting yearly or more .

If I'm the camp of David, better fight Morrell, at least he will eliminated another name that Canelo has to face in the future. And he can brag about it if he can knockout Morrell for good before Canelo can get to Morrell. He is still young though, but we prefer him to get busy. Or they can just cherry pick another opponent at 168 lbs just to get him the activity that he needed.


That's how good Canelo's handler is, they stay with DAZN and have one of the biggest fight in GGG. Now that it's done, they switches to Showtime and PBC and he will have another fight in Benavidez and Charlo.

Maybe another fight that slip away is the rematch with Bivol.

David Benavidez is at 168 just like Canelo while Charlo is the WBC champion at 160.

When Canelo became 168's undisputed after disposing of PBC's Caleb Plant, PBC/Showtime and Matchroom/DAZN were in a tug-of-war to get Canelo. Prior to Plant and after leaving GBP, Canelo wanted a per-fight basis contract so literally, he was a free agent although his next fights were with Matchroom and DAZN. Things became different when Canelo collected all the belts at 168. Both Matchroom/DAZN and PBC/Showtime offered 2-fight deals ranging from $80-$100 million in total. Matchroom/DAZN offered Bivol and GGG while PBC/Showtime offered Benavidez and Charlo.

Jermall Charlo actually keeps on calling Canelo prior to PBC's 2-fight deal offer. Can't blame him though, who would not like a shot at the biggest cash cow in boxing? Even Spence keeps on saying he wanted Canelo too although Jermall has a more realistic shot. Charlo was the WBC interim when Canelo has the real WBC belt during his 160 days. And they're only 1 division apart. Jermall, later on, started cherry-picking and staying inactive to preserve his 0 in order for his chances to remain alive in the Canelo lottery. I can't even remember Charlo calling David for a fight.

David Benavides is not so confident by canceling Morrell. If we're only for the money though, WBA interim, Morrell is a huge risk for Benavidez because it is obvious that he gets a Canelo shot if Charlo losses.  

Canelo is scared to fight with prime Bivol, so he avoid it and choose to fight with the opponents he think he will win e.g. Jermall Charlo, David Benavidez, and David Morrell. If the undisputed light heavyweight will happen e.g. Bivol vs Beterbiev, if Bivol win, Canelo will wait until he move to heavyweight or retire. But if Beterbiev win, I think Canelo will dare to fight with Bivol since both of them don't have any belt and the judges will favor on Canelo.

Is Morell included in the three-fight contract that Eddie Hearn offered to Canelo? I thought the third one was Bivo lol. Anyways, if Bivol is excluded then that was good planning for Team Canelo as he got no chance of winning against a prime and younger Bivol.

If Bivol vs Beterbiev would happen and the latter will win, there's a chance that Canelo would take the risk as Beterbiev would be 42 years by that time  ;D, that's how they do it.

We can say it like that, and that's why they low ball Bivol during their second negotiation because they knew they are going to decline that offer. And with that he decided to move to PBC and so he cut ties with Eddie Hearn so obviously no more Bivol fight as Hearn said that it's hard to negotiate that fight.

And with that, Bivol is now hanging, although he will have a good chance to have Beterbiev fight happening. But with all the bad blood between their respective managers, I doubt that this fight is going to happen. So we will see who's next to Bivol, as his career might be in limbo when they turn down that Canelo rematch.

i was amazed by the votes as it favored Jermall Charlo?with all of our prediction and belief yet the votes goes in Charlo  ;) :) is there any chance from a lucky punch of knockout that Jermall Charlo can beat Canelo Alvares?

because I doubt it.

Same here. I actually haven't checked the result yet, and just now I voted for Canelo to win by KO. However, the fact that the majority of the voters believe that Charlo will win is significant. This indicates that the fight is not going to be one-sided; instead, it will be fun to watch as a real competitive bout.


Why would you rely on luck? Charlo is a great fighter, perhaps not as popular as Canelo, but he remains undefeated. In my opinion, there is a chance that he could win this fight.

Perhaps there is no such thing as a lucky punch, considering that both fighters are professionals who have trained extensively to handle various situations. Some people claimed during the Pacman vs Marquez fight that Marquez's win against Pacquiao was due to a lucky punch, but many disagreed, believing it was part of the game plan.

David Benavidez is not on Canelo's option as he is hiding behind the reason that there's no benefit for him if he will fight David, which is true, but considering that he's also fond in cleaning his own division, I cannot see any reason why he will not give David the chance and this governing bodies is not doing their job and give a mandatory fight as David is a WBC interim boxer.

For Bivol, I think Canelo is not after what Bivol is holding right now as a rematch is just a plain fight to redeem his loss and so it doesn't really matter if Bivol will lost the belt to Beterbiev or not. But as per Bivol's words, there will be no rematch unless Canelo wanted to take a risk and host the fight at his own division.

Bivol also wanted a legacy on his own, to be a unified champion someday and he can do that on an easy path if he fight Canelo on 168lbs division, where Canelo reigned as the unified champion but i don't think that it would happen as Team Canelo is carefully planning its move as he is not getting younger anymore and losing the belts might have a negative impact on his career money-wise. A rematch with Bivol if would happen will be on the Russian's weight class as he has nothing to loss on path rather than the Russian going down in weight.

     -  I think Charlo will win there, because from what I can see if he is only Canelo in terms of stamina and skills of punches, this is just my assessment. Although most of this is Canelo's advantage, but for me I don't think so. We'll find out when they're in the ring.

Although, they are both showing off and teasing each other, let's see who is telling them the truth when they are both fighting.

Maybe you lack more assessment,

1. Charlo is 160 lbs as his best weight. They are going to fight at Canelo's best weight of 168 lbs. So think about it, Charlo needs to add additional 8 lbs in his frame.
2. Charlo has been inactive for more than 2 years because of mental issues.

I think it's important to factor this two if you are going to make your prediction in this fight.

That's what Canelo also said against GGG, that he will not give GGG a rematch. But when GGG went to DAZN and sign a contract, Canelo has no choice but to fight him. Same in the case with Benavidez now, Canelo signs a 3 fight deal with PBC and Showtime, so it means that they are not under Al Haymon and PBC. So I wouldn't be surprised that Benavidez is next after Charlo. So he can't hide from his reasons of "not fighting another Mexican".


According to Bivol's camp, they offered too low for their rematch, that's why it didn't happen. So first reason is money. Second, as I have stated, Bivol is with Matchroom and Eddie Hearn, and now Canelo is with PBC and Al Haymon. So we all know that most of the time, boxing politics hinders us boxing fans from seeing great fight and so we might not see a rematch anytime soon.

That's a bad move. Although Canelo is an attraction, it's important to show respect for Bivol, who is the champion and has already defeated him once. A 50/50 split would be reasonable and fair, considering Bivol's current status. Bivol's camp is not asking for a lot; they simply want a fair sharing based on his accomplishments.

And that is why we said that Canelo is ducking Bivol in the rematch, as they deceptively offer a unrealistic amount to Bivol and his camp and they know that they are not going to accept it.

Once it finalized, Canelo sign with PBC leaving Bivol matchup in the table. No 50/50 split of Bivol and then Canelo moving on with a fight against a inactive Charlo for the super Middleweight, very effective move by somewhat deceiving if you are going to look at it. Maybe Charlo is offered 20% here in this fight or just as high as 30% I reckon.

It's a disappointing strategy, as it seems purely business-driven, with no intention to risk losing again. He is taking advantage of his current popularity and the potential for high pay-per-view sales. I hope Bivol continues to work hard and gain more popularity, so that eventually there will be no excuse for Canelo to deny Bivol a fair split.

Are you from this planet or just trolling us? If you think that Charlo has advantage in stamina and boxing skills, then what can you say about his 2 year pause, while Canelo boxed best of the best during these two years? Dont forget that Charlo will be in 168 for the first time in his career, while Canelo feels in 168 like fish in water. If you so sure in your prediction, will you place money on Charlo? :D

He has his own perception about this fight, and it seems that only a few people believe that Charlo would win, as reflected in the betting odds for this particular fight. If he thinks Charlo will win, then that's his personal opinion. However, even if we strongly favor Canelo in this matchup, we cannot guarantee his victory.

Yeah, he can do that by all means, bet on Charlo if he thinks that he is better than Canelo Alvarez, the current cash cow and in the pound for pound list.

We are just laying the grounds for what we think might be the factor why Charlo can't beat Canelo at this point. Charlo is away from the sports so his stamina and even his boxing skills might be in question. And then he is fighting Canelo's best weight. Charlo has seen 168 lbs inside the ring. Maybe in his off season he might be carrying a full 168 lbs+, but it's different if you are training with that a lot of weight that your body is not accustomed to.

Lol, I don't want to said it, but yeah, seems to be that way or he doesn't know his boxing (no offense though).

But whatever he feels to put his money on Charlo then why not? it's his money by the way and we can't take that from him and risk it to Charlo. But if you have been following the sports, then as good as Charlo is at 160 during his reign and he still has the belt because organization refuse to strip him the belt despite being inactive, we doubt that he will have a higher chance of defeating Alvarez even if this version of Canelo have somewhat seen better days.

I can assume he is a huge Charlo fan and blindly believe in his victory, but I see nobody who can beat Canelo in middleweight or super middleweight divisions today. His opponent can only rely on a lucky punch, which they would get if Canelo would be to much into playing with his opponent. But, as Canelo stays concentrated all the time, the only chance his opponents have is to catch him on counter punching.

We never know ;D quite a lot of upsets happened this year and I will not be surprised if there is any of that in this fight.

But as per speculations are concerned, it's hard to deny that Canelo got the advantages and let's not forget as well that the fight will contested in Canelo's comfortable division plus there is this huge factor where Charlo didn't had any fights in the last two years which could likely result in a ring rust. In simple terms, it will be hard to bet against the undisputed champion who owns the division.

LOL! That's too much, man. Just because Canelo is very popular and everyone believes he is going to win doesn't mean a bettor who bets on Charlo is blindly betting on him. What would you say if it turns out Jermall Charlo wins the fight? What I'm trying to say is that in boxing or any form of sports, upsets do happen, so we cannot jump to conclusions.

If Jermall Charlo wins, I am gonna take my words back and apologize to Mr. Magkaisa for making fun of him. Would gladly hear from him why he thinks that Charlo has more stamina and skills. I just dont get how he come to conclusion that Charlo is better if he wasnt inactive, and boxing does not stand on one place. I have never seen in my entire MMA and boxing observation life, that a fighter, who isnt much unique, came from such a pause and had a victory over the best boxer of division.

That's really true. Maybe the chance of Charlo winning this fight is very slim. He took this big fight because it's an opportunity for him to earn more money. But hopefully, he will not be punished by his decision, because instead of having a tune-up fight in his comeback, he directly challenged Canelo, who is in his dominant division.

It's obvious that this is the best weight for Canelo, he once go up to 175 lbs and beat an old champion, but when he tried to fight a young and fresh legs in Bivol, he lost. So he goes down to 168 lbs and finished the trilogy with GGG in which he won soundly. And then John Ryder a couple of months ago, a tune up fight coming from injuries and still he won despite the valiant effort of Ryder.

So yeah, pretty much at 168 lbs Canelo Alvarez is unbeatable, the closest fighter to beat him is GGG on their first fight. Charlo might be good at 160 lbs, but this is a new territory for him and we have to question his power if he still has at super middleweight.

Not only his power but also his quickness. You are right, Canelo has been dominating in this weight class, so it's hard to expect him to lose here. Maybe after this fight, we will witness another knockout win from Canelo, further boosting his reputation. This makes me wonder what's next for him. Will he stay in his current weight class or move up to finally challenge Bivol again?

Sometimes it's just easy to say things especially when there is nothing at stake. But maybe the guy already made a bet on Pussymall. No offense though, I just don't like how Jermall is calling up Canelo for years now yet he never even entertained a fight against Boo Boo and Benavidez which are easier to make.

The assessment of a Charlo victory is just too hard to imagine now that he has become inactive. Jermall would have had a better chance a few years ago when he was active. I did not mind his so-called personal reasons that made him inactive. Who cares, he was given VIP treatment by the WBC anyways.

The VIP treatment will likely be gone once he experiences a defeat against one of the greatest boxers in the world. Canelo will make sure to secure an impressive win in this match. With his advantage of being the more active boxer and having established himself comfortably in this weight class, the chances of Jermall Charlo winning are slim. However, we can acknowledge that he does possess the skills of a boxer.

There are many questions surrounding his inactivity, but if he manages to defeat Canelo, he can prove us wrong.

If we look at his contract, it's a 3 fight deal with PBC, so as the news has reported it, it will be Charlo and then Benavidez or Morrell because that is the stable of PBC has as far as 168 lbs goes.

Bivol is on the other side with Eddie Hearn, so I'm not seeing Canelo fighting him, unless he has served that 3 fight with PBC and then sign back with Eddie Hearn and Matchroom just for Canelo to get avenge his defeat to Bivol.

Maybe he was calling Canelo back then for the money, just wrong timing though for Charlo, as GGG is still at the height of his popularity at 160 lbs and that's why Canelo and his camp chooses GGG at that time and then Charlo disappearing in the shadows.


I think everyone is in the majority here that it's hard to see Charlo after a long hiatus suddenly becomes the stronger fighter at a weight class that Canelo has been dominating for years and beat Canelo at his own game. Corrupt WBC, what else?

I never thought I would see a statement saying that a certain fight will be risky for Canelo after being the king of the super middleweight division hehehhee. I reckon Bivol is showing the Irish looking Mexican that he cannot be dictated into a rematch in light heavyweight hehe.

For this fight, I am shaking my head that only 3 people voted for Canelo by decision. This is a very clear outcome. If Canelo cannot knockout Ryder, it might also be difficult for him to knockout Charlo.

In any case, where is David Benavidez? Canelo is avoiding the future king?

Thats' what the point of Bivol and his team, they doesn't want Canelo to dictate the terms on their rematch Bivol beat him. Lol, don't call him like that, just "cinnamon", that's why he got his nickname "Canelo".


It's because they think that Canelo can knockout a overweight and not natural 168 lbs who is inactive for 2 years in Jermall Charlo. Ryder is a bigger guy and maybe weight around lightweight during their fight. I doubt that Charlo can be at 175 once he is rehydration. And we don't know, maybe Canelo has put a rehydration clause as well in this fight.

Charlo's inactivity is a major disadvantage for him. Canelo hasn't been knocking out boxers recently, perhaps because his confidence was somewhat shaken after his loss to Bivol. However, he is an overall smart fighter who knows how to conserve his energy and ensure victory.

What will be the betting odds for Canelo to win by KO and Canelo to win by decision? I believe bookies know better. If the odds for Canelo winning by KO are lower, it likely indicates a higher probability of that outcome.

Hmm, it's getting weird though, but there are reports that it will not be Jermall Charlo the 160 lbs champion and who is inactive, but his twin brother, Jermell Charlo, the reigning undisputed 154 lbs who is supposed to fight Tim Tszyu who is now going to face Canelo Alvarez at 168 lbs Sept 30th.

This is now a very interesting plot and for sure there will be haters and gonna say that Jermell duck Tim, hehehe.

I think @bisdak40 meant that it will be risky for Canelo because he is the undisputed champion and for sure that will be on the line while Bivol got nothing to lose at 168 because he doesn't have any belts in that division. But if Canelo is confident that he can defend it then what is the hold up? ;D

I honestly thought that David Benavidez will have his chance after Canelo's tune-up fight against Ryder but sadly, it was not the case because even if we say that Charlo is durable, I reckon it is still counted as cherry picking instead of fighting a rising star that is looking to replace him on his throne.
If only WBC is not a money licking organization, I guess Benavidez already had his chance because he got the interim belt.

Canelo himself confirmed it on his social media. It will be the smaller Charlo brother who will be moving up two weight classes to face Canelo.
https://twitter.com/Canelo/status/1674888423650492417

I don't think Charlo is ducking Tszyu. He is obviously going to make a lot more money against Canelo so it would be stupid to turn down that opportunity. I do however see this as more evidence that Canelo is ducking Benavidez. If Jermall wasn't ready then there was no reason to bring up a fighter from two weight classes below. If Canelo wins then he will move on to the other Charlo so we will probably have to wait at least a year for a possible fight with Benavidez and that's only if Canelo doesn't end up cherry picking another smaller, older, or inactive fighter to further avoid that fight.

I also saw a post of an undisputed vs undisputed from PBC itself so this is true. 2 years inactive Jermall Charlo will be substituted by his twin brother, the undisputed 154 champion Jermell Charlo.

I don't think the odds will change with the shift of opponents. Jermell is also inactive although a year only but he needs to climb 2 divisions to fight Canelo. Canelo will be very aggressive in this fight being confident that Mell cannot hurt him.

Partly ducking in the part of Jermell but honestly, the champion took a more difficult mission and of course, he will also earn the biggest money of his pro career.

Tim as the interim WBO will be elevated as its new champion. Jermell vacating the belts also denies Crawford's huge ambition of becoming the first-ever 3-division undisputed champion in this 4-belt era. I don't think Bud has time on his side unless he continues to fight in his late 30s which will be very difficult.

At first, yes, it is really weird because we have already discussed and thought that it will be Jermall Charlo who will fight Canelo. But as per reading this quote, I looked it up immediately to see what's real and what's not, and to avoid confusion as well. So, yes, it will be Jermell and not Jermall. I honestly did not see this coming.

https://www.badlefthook.com/2023/6/30/23780548/canelo-next-fight-vs-jermell-not-jermall-charlo-official-september-30-boxing-news-2023

New thread for Canelo vs Jermell Charlo

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5458262.msg62489727#msg62489727