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Over the past 123 years, the Russian ruble has defaulted three times. What is the probability of a fourth default?

First, you are too short with what you wrote, and second, it should have been written in the economics section, or better still the speculation section based on the nature of the question.

However, for correction's sake, the Russian Ruble can't default, it's the country that can default while Russian Ruble reacts accordingly to it. And this happens when the country can't fulfil their foreign currency debt obligations.

The last default was on the 27th of June this year and the reason is obvious (western sanctions).

He who don't know, don't talk. People need to separate politics and sentiments from reality. Anyone that have been following politics since the beginning of the war knows what is going on, Russia has been sanctioned severely which resulted into the default you are referring to, and they are unable to service their debt, but they are doing better than it is being reported in the media because the media wants you to think along their own talking point. Russia is doing better than some of these European countries if you do your home work well, but it wasn't publicized.

Because Russia is always involved on a civil war which they waste most of their finances on improving their war power. Rubles is not scam but the government behind it that abusing it to fund their war which the citizen is paying.

I think there’s a high probability for the 4th or more to happened unless they stop wagering war and burn their resources while other countries sanction them to inflict economic damage. Russia is a great country, their government is just focusing on military growth for war.

The third default happened because of the economic sanction, if Russia keep on doing their things the same way then it is very possible that their fourth default will happen.  After all, we can't expect new things from the same old ways. 


Media are in cahoots with the government to lie to people.  showing only the good side of the coin while putting all the negative things in the graveyard.  Media only shows the people what they wanted to see and it is very effective reason why lots of propaganda are process through media.

Its a certainty, all currencies should be taken as quite certain to default on some timeline.   The only currency Ive read is not listed as defaulting at some point is sterling but its also lost almost all its value so a kind of soft default, in the end its very similar to others not superior or much different.   A hard default does tend to become the news and obstruct business in a country, sterling has some of the oldest contracts and insurance business partly because of its long term currency.   Dollar has mostly taken over the mantle of chief reserve currency in the world and is trying to mimic this controlled decline in its value and so too the longevity and popularity for business especially financial settlements in its jurisdiction.
  Ruble has lost most of its credibility but its also a largely commodity backed economy and currency so I dont believe their doubts day to day are too relevant when its quite certain nations will come to them seeking that energy resource.  Neither China nor India has the oil it requires to match its population so Ruble is not likely challenged near term is my view.

The war is still ongoing, and I see that the Russians are still living very well, but if you read the news from the Western press, it is quite the opposite. Just like a few months ago, the US and EU media reported that the Russian military had exhausted its arsenal and could not prolong the war any longer. But so far, the US, Nato, and Ukraine have been unable to stop Russia, let alone make them fail badly.

To be fair, the Russian economy is not immune to the impact of those heavy sanctions. But the EU's economy is not much better, if not worse, than Russia's. If the ruble is a scam, then all currencies in this world are government sponsored scam schemes.

How are they similar or worse though? Which part EU are you talking about here? Some countries in the EU seem to have different issues from one another, like energy, climate, and so on if those media reports can be trusted. But I don't think it is remotely similar to what Russia gets from sanctions etc.

I think fiat in general is susceptible to manipulation regardless of who issues it.

Well, there must be certain viewpoints which consider the Russian ruble as a big scam. But if we are to consider the reasons, we might end up generalizing that all fiat currencies are also scams. They may differ in degrees, but since they are all operating under this questionable fiat monetary system, then they are all fraud in one way or another.

First and foremost, these fiat currencies are not backed by any commodity. They are of no intrinsic value. In the absence of any enforcement coming from a powerful entity, these currencies have actually no use value.

The Bolsheviks to Putin: a history of Russian defaults (https://www.reuters.com/markets/europe/bolsheviks-putin-history-russian-defaults-2022-06-27/)

Putin was appointed as a Russian President in December 1999 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vladimir_Putin) and despite of his self praise that he helped Russia to be better in finance. It mostly comes from growth of oil prices and the default, the third one in Russian rubble history is no more or less than a confirmation for Putin failures in governing Russian economy.

Russia will repeat its default if its politics won't separate from communism and its economy won't stop relying on oil.

Russia’s 1998 currency crisis: what lessons for today? (https://www.economicsobservatory.com/russias-1998-currency-crisis-what-lessons-for-today)

Be specific in the type of default. It isn't a ruble default. A currency itself cannot be defaulted on if a country is capable of printing more of that currency. Ruble isn't actually a scam any more than any other currency. The 2022 default isn't a currency crisis, Russia's debt is in foreign currency/assets so they couldn't print more ruble to pay off the debt if they wanted. If their economy can't support the amount of debt they have, then ruble crashes along with the Russian economy.

Chance of Russia's economy recovering to avoid future defaults are dependent on how long they choose to occupy Ukraine. Their currency will be strong as long as they keep up energy exports and the price of oil doesn't crash.

Oooppss, I don't have any research or information related to the default of Russia and the facts behind it but, if Russia defaulted 3 times previously and going to default again 4th time, I don't think so because Russia currently has a lot of Allies and never forget the natural resources Russia is owning, Probably Russia is one of the Richest country in the entire world from the resources point.


This is what I found after a quick Google, I don't know the intention of OP because there is nothing in OP so, leaving it I think now Russia may not default at least in the current situation because Russia is building good relations with the Aisan major countries and more interestingly Russia is developing relations with the Gulf countries on a fast rate.

It's not a scam, it's simply a currency that is controlled by a sequence of incompetent russian governments. Corruption seems to run deep in that country and everyone is willing to screw over their neighbor to get rich themselves. In such a society there is little cohesion and the rot starts at the very top - leaders do not want people that could unite against them, so they try to split people up as much as possible and apply pressure to individuals in the nastiest ways. Unfortunately until Russians free themselves from such dicktators they will be unable to heal this problem.

Ruble is the currency for the nation Russia and as far as I am concerned a currency is under the control of the government, so expect you can be more elaborate I don't see how what you have said make any sense.

And there is no need to take short at the Russian ruble because at the moment so many other currencies has had their bad days, I don't expect much from currencies been owned by any government, because it may be good now and ones the wrong administration takes over it can go soar, that's still amongst the reasons why crypto-currency is ahead of Fiat.

Ruble is not a scam the default in the currency doesn't male it a scam,since we know the reason behind it. The ongoing war and sanction of Russia from the western world has led  to the default in Ruble. With all the sanctions and ongoing war,Russia economy is still far better than some European countries because Russia has abundant of gas. I don't see this default as some drastic,since almost every country currency do default. No currency used by a government is scam. Russia needs to stop the ongoing war and embrace peace for the betterment of their economy.

The entire fiat money system is a scam, scheme, "long con" etc. Sure, you can look specifically at Russia, while I can look specifically at the U.S., or Europe, Britain, China, etc.

Every fiat money system is doomed to fail the moment that central banking is introduced and next when there is nothing backing the currency. You will never be able to pay the interest that you are owing to the bank on the first dollar that is lent. For example, if $1 is lent to a government at 1%, interest, will the $0.01 come from if that is the only $1 that exists? The same principle applies at scale.

USD have had their defaults, including the global financial crisis and the great depression, as well as crisis' in between. Other fiat currencies are ongoing largely irresponsible monetary policy, including USD, GBP, EUR, AUD, CAD, and more that are controlled by the west. The east have gained dominance in economic power however themselves and the rest of the globe using fiat currencies will all experience the same fate.

Lol how much did you lose in forex for you to think that the ruble is a scam.

Countries left and right have defaulted and all that, we don't call them scammers too do we? Economic turmoil is bound to happen at one point in a country's lifetime, it's not something that they have control over especially since the world is ran on fiat and finite resources. To single out a single currency just cause they defaulted, during a crucial economic situation too is just a little stupid in my opinion. Cause if that were to be the case we should start calling every country who defaulted as scammers, USA included cause they are basically just dragging things out with the end game either them repaying their shit which is going upwards of a trillion now by the by, or not paying it outright and letting the whole economic world fall down.

It's still their currency and people on that specific country is still using. Despite of what they've started and we don't like what they've done, their currency is still a currency. Whatever you want to talk about with, next time add some more detailed thoughts on why you think it is and not just going leave some few words and make it left hanging. We've got our own currencies and from the system within the scams are being made by those cons and if it's about default, we know how it works and interest rates are being added on it.

Over the past nine months, Russia has only been able to partially capture the small town of Bakhmut in eastern Ukraine. Now the Armed Forces of Ukraine have advanced and seized the strategic elevations in the north and south of Bakhmut and are shooting Russians there like in a shooting range from artillery. The occupiers suffer heavy losses, but they do not dare to withdraw precisely through the PR of the capture of this settlement. The Russian army in Bakhmut is now in operational encirclement. In the past few days, only near Avdiivka, the situation has become more complicated. In other sections of the more than 1200 km front, the Armed Forces of Ukraine are cautiously and systematically moving forward. This is especially true of the southern front, where the offensive of the Armed Forces of Ukraine is greatly complicated by continuous minefields. Therefore, the Russian occupiers have been stopped for a long time and are suffering a military failure.

Russia is indeed a territorially large country and its depletion cannot be rapid. But a serious rebuff from Ukraine and international sanctions continue to do their job. Therefore, the Russian economy is slowly moving towards collapse.

Defaulting on foreign debt has nothing to do with a currency being a scam. Argentina has defaulted nine times already. Russia's situation is different because it is still capable of paying its debts but sanctions make it difficult to do so. The debt that it defaulted on was denominated in foreign currency so the ruble isn't involved in any way. Interestingly, if US and European banks continue to freeze their funds they might consider repaying their debts with Bitcoin.

You are correct, the entire centralized monetary system is a scam on a large scale but backed by the government, so it is not listed as a scam. But it's confusing that the OP only mentioned the Russian ruble and ignored the currencies of other countries. I was also about to ask OP as panganib999 mentioned, maybe he lost too much in forex trading and came here to blame the Russian ruble, LOL.

But no matter what, though this monetary system is a scam and it is killing our lives every day because of its devaluation. We will continue to use it and cannot give it up completely even if we already have bitcoins. But as long as we use them wisely, don't hold them too much, don't trust them too much, and always diversify into other assets, there should be no problem.

        Yes, there is a lot of gas in Russia, but no one wants to buy it anymore because of the same economic blockade. Europe has almost completely abandoned this Russian resource and buys from others. It is already known that 50% of income from this source does not go to the treasury.
        For the default. So he has been several times in recent years. The country could not fulfill its obligations to investors. Somehow they got out, but these are prerequisites for something terrible. It seems to me that there is still more to come.

The question is... Can this not be applied to ALL Fiat currencies?

How many times have governments around the world manipulated the "value" of their local currencies? How many countries have bailed out the Banking system with tax payers money to rescue them from a total collapse? (USA being at the forefront of those kinds of actions)

Since 1933, the U.S. dollar has lost 92 percent of its domestic purchasing power.... do you think the US Dollar are also a scam or is this just the natural future of all Fiat currencies?

The subject is too silly! First of all fiat currencies don't default, the governments default on their national debt. It also is not limited to Russia, it is true about all fiat currencies since every single government has been printing fiat nonstop and increasing the national debt which they eventually default. The only difference is the size of that debt and the speed at which it grows.
By all measures US dollar is the worst since it has has the fastest speed at which the national debt grows not to mention that it also has the biggest debt of all times which US government defaulted just recently.

https://www.usdebtclock.org/world-debt-clock.html

why do you say that it is a scam? the continuously declining value of the ruble is a result of their unstable economy and increasingly massive western sanctions on Russia, but that doesn't mean that the ruble is a scam.

there are many reasons why a country would allow their currency to remain as it is and even tend to allow its value to continue to fall, first is they need it for exports, burden the sovereign debt, overcome trade deficits, make various foodstuffs more affordable, etc., so saying the ruble is a scam even when you don't know any economic theory like this is funny.

Lol! Defaulting on foreign debt has nothing to do with a currency being a scam. Even US was on the verge of defaulting recently, but the government just increased the limit of debt cealing and printed more money. Isn't that a scam too? Look before you leap.

Russia is full of natural resources and one of the biggest suppliers of oil and natural gas. It's not easy for the west to just impose sanctions and bring them to their knees.

Fiat currency as a whole is a scam, but we have no choice but to use it since it is being controlled by the government.
Russian ruble surely have their own pros and cons, but they are trying to partner this with some of the powerful currency and that could be a big threat to USD seriously, especially with the current movement of BRICS countries. Anyway, what's your purpose of posting this? Its good that we have cryptocurrency now where we can have full control over our own money.

Also, it matters who owns this debt. If a large part of the Russian debt is owned by institutions and individuals from the Western nations, then Russia should just refuse to pay. First they can pay Russian citizens who owns this debt in Russian Rubles and can use currencies such as the Chinese Yuan to pay interest to those who are from friendly nations. Technically, it is still default but for now the Russian government should not worry too much about it. Sanctions are not going to stay forever and the payment to westerners can be done once the funds are released.

Russia faces a high risk of default in the near future due to its low growth, high inflation, sanctions, and geopolitical tensions. They should change the name to SCAMble.

They are all the same... corrupted to the bones. It's impossible to count how many times have governments manipulated all markets, bailed out fallen banks, and extracted money from different funds... on a daily basis over decades. I guess this list is endless.

And I think that any kind of repair is impossible, this world that is growing so fast needs something new and better, if it can save us from damned politicians and banks and all those people in suits.

The answer is simple - if the world, once again, plays "loyal survivors", and SAVE Russia from collapse - everything will happen again and again, including wars, terrorism, provocations and blackmail of the normal world, which saved Russia more than once.
It is necessary to understand that Russia was not, is not and will never be an adequate world partner like other countries. It will always be not enough, it will always be offended, it will always be envious, it will always steal, and destroy, and LIE....
It seems to be time to create conditions for the liberation of the peoples of the regions of Russia that have been invaded by Muscovy/USSR/Russia over the last 3 centuries. And everything should end not with another crisis or default, but with the "direct pulse line of the international terrorist state".
Just don't try to resuscitate this foul-smelling corpse, let it go in peace....
By the way, what is amazing - after the described events - nothing negative will happen in the world, yes yes, just try to simulate a situation when tomorrow morning, just from the globe will disappear this country, and try to think of what will change for the worse ? You will be extremely surprised - but you won't be able to name a single point :)

PS All conclusions are based on personal experience of living in the USSR, staying in Russia, and on the study of real history.

Defaults three times in 123 years? Any currency would have a hard time taking that in. You have good reason to doubt there will be a fourth attempt; after all, "once bitten, twice shy," right?

We may look at past data and current economic patterns to estimate the likelihood, but such numbers rarely offer much solace. Like a box of chocolates, the foreign exchange market always has some surprises in store for you.

There are a lot of factors at play, including geopolitical tensions, sanctions, oil prices (given Russia's reliance on them), and global economic trends. Default prediction is like trying to capture a unicorn.

Don't waste mental energy wondering "what if"; instead, concentrate on "what is." If you want to make smart choices, you should monitor economic statistics and trends.

As others have mentioned, the last default was due to sanctions, and I would even say that it's just a default on a technicality. Russian ruble defaulted not because Russian didn't have enough money to pay the foreign debt obligations; they couldn't pay in the right currencies because of the sanctions.
So yeah, it can happen again, but unfortunately, I don't think there's a big impact from that. And as for the real situation, Russian economic policies managed to keep the currency afloat, although the ruble has been steadily losing its value against the USD this year.

LOL. That is a good theory for why he only mentioned the ruble and not the others :")
A darker opinion, is that he is still under the veil of the lies of his government. All governments lie to their citizens to keep the veil over their heads, the longer they keep it up, the less likely there will be local disbelief in their own country, leadership and money.


Exactly. The best thing you can do with money is use it for other value-retaining/store of value assets so that you don't get caught in the mess on the day that confidence is lost in money, and it rapidly declines to being worth nothing. We are almost there already....but what people don't realize that once it is worth 0, it becomes impossible to use.

It's not possible for a stock, bitcoin, or any other asset/currency that has intrinsic value outside of confidence to go to...but once fiat loses all confidence, it's just paper and worth nothing more than that.

Corruption does not have anything to do with it, fiat currencies were created from the beginning with the intention of cheating everyone which holds the currency.

Back in the day when gold coins were used, coins were either clipped, which means a part of the coin was cut as a form of tax, or there was debasement on the materials used to make the coins, however both of those changes were too obvious and everyone knew what is going on, fiat currencies are just an extension of the same concept, it is just that the truth is hidden a little bit better, but with the internet and the free flow of information some people are starting to notice the fiat system itself is a scam.

Russia is supported by its allies to overcome its economic and financial crisis imposed by Western sanctions. These allies are essentially the BRICS alliance, which includes major economies capable of absorbing Russian exports. Two days ago, it was announced that Indian imports from Russia reached their highest levels in their history, and Chinese imports of Russian energy products also reached record levels. We do not fail to mention that these surpluses of imports are acquired at very low prices compared to prices in the global market, but it seems that this does not bother Russia due to its huge production and its ability to meet its needs at low prices. In addition to Russia controlling a large part of the Ukrainian economy and targeting its vital facilities to increase demand and raise the price in the global market, and I mean especially grain.

123 years ago in America for 1 dollar you could buy 1 pair of good shoes, but what can you buy for 1 dollar now. Probably a glass of Coca Cola :) The monetary base in America has increased by almost 2000 times in 123 years and America has no way to pay off its domestic and foreign debts. The ruble looks even more stable.

Well, inflation is a reality. All the fiat currencies around the world are losing their value with every passing year, as the governments are resorting to printing unlimited amounts of banknotes to provide freebies and subsidies to the population. US Dollar sill has the best protection against inflation, because it is the trade and reserve currency of the world. But Russian Ruble doesn't have any such protection. It has lost more than two-third of it's value (against the USD) during the last decade. And as long as the war goes on, it will continue to decline.

Fiat currencies are unstable by nature, now we may argue about which one of them is the best of the lot, but at the end this is a useless discussion as all of them are terrible for the average citizen.

It is because of this that the ultra rich keep just enough money in hand in order to keep their businesses working, but the rest of their wealth is invested in hard assets, this way if the economy happened to collapse and fiat went down with it they will be barely affected by it.

Russian Ruble is a scam just like the USD. Back in the 70’s USD defaulted too when they removed the USD from the gold standard. Right now every FIAT currency is a scam because nothing is backing them. The central banks can create FIAT out of thin air unlike gold which you need to work hard to get it from the ground. Don’t be so hopeless though, every FIAT currency in history failed and that means any FIAT currency in existence right now will also fail.

From the outside, it looks exactly as you say. But if you look behind the scenes.
To begin with, I agree with you - the BRICS countries have indeed taken over a significant part of Russia's exports. And now let's clarify what and how? :)
To be more precise, let's start with what was Russia's main export before it unleashed the terrorist war in Ukraine ?
More than 50% of russia's exports were:
- oil+gas
- military industrial products
- metals

Any comments on these export items ? I am sure - no, because everything is in open sources.

And what of the key export items have the BRICS countries "taken for themselves"?

1. Gas. Off target. The BRICS countries did not pick up the gas exports that the EU has now refused to buy. Russia's backward gas transportation network does not allow it.
2. Oil. Here I agree. India and China have extremely increased their purchase of Russian oil. But this is the funniest story :) Oil is bought at huge discounts and paid for with yuan and rupees! But that's half the comedy. The main comedy is that these rupiahs and yuan cannot be converted into a currency that is critically important to russia. It is impossible to turn these pieces of paper into something critically important - both China and India sell only consumer goods for their currency.
3. The military-industrial complex - this is a simple fact. The largest buyer of Russian scrap metal, having seen its "effectiveness" in a real war, and not on advertising brochures, broke virtually ALL contracts with Russia - from joint development to the purchase of finished products.
4. Metals ? Look who are the leaders in the EXPORT of metals ? Who are the EXPORT leaders ?.... Drum roll !!! China and India ! :) Question - even if they will buy metal from Russia - what price will it be, given their leadership in the industry ?

So on the one hand you are right, but the reality is far from positive :)

I agree with you that Russia may not fully benefit from the attempts of its BRICS allies to support it during the war, and that it remains limited support. However, I would like to correct a few points you mentioned:
- In addition to the three materials that you mentioned, you forgot the Russian production capacity of grains, which together with the Ukrainian production represent nearly a third of the global production. With grain supplies cut off from Ukraine, imagine Russia's chances of selling wheat at a higher price.
- China imports liquefied gas from Russia by 50 percent of its total imports of liquefied gas and is in the process of preparing a gas pipeline that extends across Siberia. Russian gas supplies have increased significantly since January 2022.
- India cannot provide much support because of its geographical location far from Russia and its ability to provide its gas needs from its Asian neighbors, and oil from the Gulf countries across the Indian Ocean.
- Russian weapons are popular with all countries wishing to get rid of the authority of America and the West over them. Here I mean African countries and other countries that have an international presence, such as North Korea, Eritrea, Iran, and others.

If we eliminate the idea that this aid does not provide sufficient support, can you explain to us how Russia supports its military position by not stopping and continuing the war?

Financial problems that occur with Ruble also occur a lot with other countries, but I'm sure that the Russian government will do everything to be able to make Rubles normal again, and we who hold Rubles don't worry because everything will get better soon.

No i Couldn't think Russian Ruble is scam. After start Russia Ukraine War Russian Ruble has been more popular and more strong. Now a days many country using ruble for trading with Russia. Because Russia did it mandatory to trade means import export with Russia. So ruble now very strong. Mainly European Union dependent on russian gas. They are buying gas from Russia by Ruble. So i thinl day by day ruble being strong not scam.

It’s not but its a fiat currency where the government have the full control.
Failing currency doesn’t mean a scam one as this is still their commodity and currency. If you’re not using Ruble then don’t stress yourself with this because fiat currency will always experience inflation and the worst is, getting defaulted which came from the poor government system. Let’s see if they will rise this time as the USD is showing its weakness for the past Months and many are predicting the rise of the BRICS countries.

The possibilities of default of the Russian ruble do not make "scam" to the official and consolidated currency of a nation, it may be a volatile currency negatively at present but to assert it as a scam is too severe, it is like saying that an entire country does not exist or that it was falsely created only to profit and that is too far-fetched, beyond this and as mentioned in other answers, it is necessary to separate feelings from reality and above all in the socio-economic aspects of any analysis, and with this to understand that the Russian ruble is an aspect linked to a nation that in this particular case will see its currency plummeting because the West punishes in this way the actions that do not serve its interests whenever it has the possibility.

The aim of those Russian measures, by imposing the use of the ruble for trade exchanges with it, is a response to its withdrawal from the Swift system, before it decided at a later time to stop gas supplies through pipelines. Russia knew that this option could not be pursued, because it is almost impossible for countries to provide that amount of liquidity in the ruble.
The ruble generally has a good position in the global market as one of the strongest major currencies, and even in the reality of the international crisis that Russia is currently going through, the BRICS countries with Russia's strategic allies around the world will not stop supporting it. This is within the framework of the anti-dollar policy as well.

Quite a controversial comparison :)
Tell me - in what currency do ...Russian aligarchs and the Kremlin top brass have most of their savings? I'll give you a hint - in dollars :)
And tell me - what famous people keep their savings in rubles ? Can't name them ? So no one can name :)
Or another question - in international trade, what currency everyone wants to receive - dollar or ruble ? :)
Perhaps in some sense all fiat is a fake. But there is a fake that has international support and demand (US dollar), and there is a real scam, or rather worthless and really, nothing secured papers (Russian ruble).

The Ruble is probably more protected that previous situations, because Putin made an active attempt to build up reserves and cut as much debt as possible before he decided on the disastrous attempt at invading Ukraine. However the world has only become more globalized in the last few decades, so it's impossible to cut off ties completely and ultimately nobody now wants to touch the ruble at all. That means in order to trade and buy exports from other countries, they have to offer other things or a very unfavorable rate, if they can even get past the sanctions that are currently imposed. At the moment the Russian economy is slowly disintegrating and the reserves have pretty much disappeared. Instead of selling at premium rates to their next door neighbors, they are having to accept dismal trades and cover long distance transport costs too.

"We do not have an external debt", "Yes, look at the external debt of the United States"!
The eternal theme for intellectual masturbation in Russia :) Well, how else to convince yourself that everything is fine with you, or rather justify that around you is "good", although you yourself understand that this is the level of a third world country :)

Here are the countries with even less external debt:
Venezuela 0 billion USD
Burundi May 2023 0.614 billion USD
Swaziland Q1/23 USD 0.814 billion
Lesotho Q3/22 USD 0.818 billion
Liberia Q1/23 USD 1.136 billion
Botswana Q3/22 USD 1.271 billion
Chad Q4/16 USD 1.36 billion
Belize 2022 1.363 B USD
Guyana Q4/22 USD 1.572 billion
......

Russia Q2/23,348 billion USD

Tell me - do you really believe that the minimum amount of external debt speaks of a high standard of living? Or about economic stability? :)

Well, the question is about the stability of the steering wheel - name the list of countries conducting transactions in rubles, and the turnover of this trade in rubles? :)

Why are you talking about the Russian ruble in particular? Basically every fiat currency is a more or less a scam.
Do you think that the US dollar, Euro, Chinese Yuan and British pound are better? I don't think so.
I remember some news from 2022, claiming that Russia was in a technical default(unable to pay it's foreign debts due to the western sanctions). Well, this didn't have any obvious impact over the Russian economy. Russia has big currency reserves(some of them are blocked in western banks) and low government debt. I don't think that Russia will go bankrupt anytime soon(and I'm not a fan of Putin).

The issue is the real value and providing value to the currency.
For example, the U.S. does not have all the world's reserves of natural resources, but the dollar is still the most desirable currency, and the most liquid.

The Russian ruble looked pretty good until 2014, it's true and it's silly to deny it. "Supported" the ruble:
- Oil and gas
- Powerful military-industrial complex
- Russia's high international status
- Sufficiently deep integration into the world economy, especially into the EU economy
- Sufficiently good relations with leading Western countries.

After 2014 this began to "melt", and after 2022 - simply collapsed ! And the whole problem is that russia has driven itself into the worst position of all time - now it is a pariah country, the government is a toxic contact, the army is a fake, the economy is a fake, a terrorist country,.... In short the full gentleman's kit.... mega-loser! And the trends in russia and its economy are not positive at all.
That's why the ruble looks so bad now, and in a quarter - let's revisit the issue, I'm sure you will have no questions and doubts about the ruble.

The problem is that we do not know how much a currency is backed by gold. Officially, yes, it is backed by gold, but in reality, maybe all the vaults have been looted and instead of gold bars there are fake ones? There are real gold bars on the outside, but not inside. How do we know? We don't. We have to take your word for it. Bitcoin, at least it has the appearance of a blockchain.

Today, no coins are backed by gold, the abolition of the gold standard was implemented in 1971 due to increased demand for the currency, while gold hoarding became increasingly difficult. It can be said that fiat is just a paper with no value, their value is determined by the government, so it is a government protected scam. It can collapse at any time when the government is no longer able to protect it.

Not really, other countries don't start invading neighboring countries and face sanctions that destroy their economy. Yes, they will do everything in their power but I am sure that most Russians will have to suffer from the currency devaluing. Regarding getting better, if the war continues, I don't think that being better is going to come to the citizens soon. Putin wants to absorb Ukraine so I am sure that he will do everything to do that including facing another default.

I agree with you. With the way things are going right now and how Putin is acting, wanting so absorb Ukraine badly, it will take for some time for everything to be better for the citizens. The effects of what happened cannot just be shoved back and act as if nothing happened, like everything can go back to the way it used to be in a snap. It will take years for everything to go back to normal, not even better.

1 ruble, now worth 1 cent. A strong ruble, with 40% of the world's resources behind it, the geopolitical leader of the world, the world's second army, oil and gas - on which the whole world depends. It is now worth 1 cent, 1/100th of a dollar, which is "not backed by anything", which "everyone refuses to give up".

That was of course a joke ! No, about 1 ruble=1 cent is a fact, a joke about the dollar not secured and not needed by anyone :)
And now it is not a joke at all - you know what the Russian government is proud of ? They are proud of the fact that due to this wild inflation, the volume of unsecured money supply (they consider it "profit" for some reason) increased by 1 trillion rubles !
Here are the news headlines "The government made a trillion on the collapse of the ruble" ?  ;D


https://i.postimg.cc/Df1XNL84/2023-08-08-10-24-10-Google.png

Can you offer some coins backed by gold or any asset, even USD? There is no denying that the ruble is depreciating because of US and Western sanctions. But I remember there was a time when it returned to its pre-war value and now it's depreciated again. That suggests that the ruble will also be able to recover in the future. Moreover, it is important that the Russian economy remains resilient to millions of sanctions and cannot collapse or go bankrupt as many Western media are claiming.

No ! And no one will ! That's exactly what I'm saying-- no one can:
- to back the currency with real gold
- to accept it as a new standard for international settlements !

The USA is no exception here, and it is pointless to argue about the problems that Nixon recognized, whether one likes the USA or not.

But let me clarify - the US dollar is not backed by gold, it is backed by economic, political, military, technological, .... and other advantages that are often unattainable by other countries and even unions !
That is why I explain - until there is a country/union with such a set of powerful characteristics - all the stories about replacing the dollar with some surrogates are just "wet dreams" and cheap populism !

Ruble has considerably weakened so far this year. At the beginning of the year, it was trading against the USD at a rate of 1 USD = 60 RUR. Now the exchange rate has gone down to 1 USD = 97 RUR. The fact that the Russian government is allowing this to happen, tells us what are their priorities. When the exchange rate goes down, it benefits the exporters. Those who export grain, oil and gas from Russia are benefitting from the devaluation of the Russian Ruble. At the same time, imports will be down since they have become more expensive.  Perhaps this is what the regime wants.

And the government cannot make a currency corridor, because this will lead to the growth of the shadow market. The exchange rate of the ruble is falling because more products are imported into the country than are exported from it. And this is a great opportunity for businesses to earn good money by opening production facilities in Russia.

Not sure why they would try to do so, because even though it could make some sense, their biggest ally is China, a country that lives thanks to the high exportation rate, to the point they need to devaluate the Yuan to keep their competitiveness up to and not lose clients.

Russia cannot aspire to turn into a second China if they do not have the huge income of money China has and if they still have the international sanctions over them. That is a big diffference, China may be one of the biggest foes of USA, but both parts are aware they need each other to keep the economical quo status. USA does not need Russia economically, nor the Western Allies.

For now, it is about a handful of countries in the BRICS, Cuba and others which are willing to do business with the Kremlin. Imo

Yes. He didn't provide more info there which makes us confused if what he was trying to explain. But if I were to guess, it has something to do with the loan? Because he uses the word default there. Maybe fiat is that bad because their value decreases over time but I won't totally called them as a scam because people are still benefiting from them.

We need them to buy our needs except maybe if we are living on Venezuela or on those reported countries where the value of their money is almost zero now. In between Rubble and the US dollar, I think the US dollar is much better and stronger even though there are rumors that they are also in debt and they may not pay.

Obviously Russia may not be able to copy the Chinese methodology of devaluing the currency to keep the economy afloat. But they can try it for the short to medium term, i.e until the sanctions are in effect. At this point, they are overdependent on exporting various commodities (such a wheat, crude oil, oil products, potash fertilizer, natural gas, alumina.etc). If the currency gets devalued, then without a doubt the exporters are benefitting from it. But as you mentioned, this strategy will not work for Russia in the long term, unlike the case with China.

I recently read a thread about EURO being a scam, and now the Ruble. Well, although the title seems a bit like a clickbait to me, if it works by creating awareness on what fiat is and how the money works, it's worth a read.

In the case of the Russian currency, and the claim that it is backed by nothing, I think that it is not true: in part it is backed by Russian commodities, labor, and yes, political propaganda. So, there are tangible goods and powers that back it, but also psychological ones, like every other fiat currency.

I agree, it might be better if it was backed by gold, like in the old system, but we all know that it doesn't work like this anymore.

China has implemented a simple, reliable and working scheme. It found "fools" who agreed to "transplant" their economy to the yuan. This move solves two problems:
- export inflation
- supporting the economy
Bonus: there are "yuan slaves" who refused to interact with the international economy, abandoning the dollar. This means that ALL imports (not just Chinese), they will be forced to do through the Chinese yuan ! So the currency of the members of the club "economically unhealthy, to fight against the world evil, dollars and capitalists", was formed :)
But back to the country of the terrorist. And who needs the ruble and Russian goods ? By the way, can anyone tell us what these Russian goods are? :)
If China was able to sit down on the yuan not the most intelligent governments, then to sit down someone on the ruble - it must be absolutely complete IDIOTS. But there are no such people on earth. That means that Russia will never be able to repeat the Chinese version of the yuan :)

Next time add more weight to your letters, putting up one line sentence take quality out of the idea behind your post.

For the Russia ruble in as much as the country still stands there would be usage of the currency by their citizens as a country currency is part of a country's identity. Another default could only mean more investors departing away from the country which would have a torn on the country economy. The default of June 2022 is as a result of the economic sanctions imposed on Russia for it's invasion of Ukraine which has shut down payment routes with these sanctions getting tougher as time continues to pass.
My most concern is to see that these issues that led to the war been settled and things returning to normalcy with people having their normal lives back on both sides.

Russia is one strong country that I know that had been trying her best to send there natural resources to part of the world for general circulation. I think op lack understanding and has no substantial explanation to back what he claimed. Even with so many sanction against Russia, Putin is still trying his best to make the Russian currency to meet up with it demands. Even though Russia is still in war with Ukraine, they are still maintaining the economy to a level where it would have fallen if Russia does not have what it takes repel any attack against them.

And please tell me about words like
- "Russian goods" and "Russian labor"?
I don't know Russian goods :) Can you list what you have at home and in your office is of Russian production ?
And it would be very interesting to hear about clarification of what is "Russian labor force" ? I know that in very many areas - these are guest workers from the southern republics bordering Russia.
You probably mean "high quality, labor force that creates high added value of Russian goods" ? But this is related to the first question, and has no answer :)

It could work in the short and mid term, as long as there are country that are not aligned or keep a neutral standing about the war of Ukraine, those are the most intereses ones in adquiring cheap energy by doing business with the Kremlin. In general, I see Russia as a provider of raw natural resources, because as far as I know, the exportation of refined goods is mostly dominated by China and India, at least in the Asian continent.

If Russia was not blessed with such huge reserves of gas, oil and ores, it would be having even a worse time rn.

Hold on. Can you elaborate on where you get your data from. Let's start from the fact that EU has actual trading partners from developed countries and get supplies shipped without any problems. While Russia is being sanctioned by majority of civilized world. So do you really think they are that self sufficient. They weren't doing that well before the war.

My ex who lived there used to talk to me about the little differences. This was long before the war, and still after Soviet union became Russia. One thing that stuck to my mind was corruption, even back then. People who live whole lives in corrupted countries, have hard time believing that something actually works in elsewhere. Like government actually fixes infra that's broken, very efficiently and fast. And no one is taking bribes.

Here's some data about economy. Can you point out how and where we are doing worse?

https://european-union.europa.eu/principles-countries-history/key-facts-and-figures/economy_en
https://commission.europa.eu/strategy-and-policy/eu-budget_en

I read such answers and I have a strange feeling that I am back in the USSR in the 80's, where from all sockets there was "the West is on the verge of collapse, the Soviet economy is prospering, the West envies us", etc. propaganda nonsense, the purpose of which is self-indulgence and an attempt to distract from the gray reality and hopelessness in the USSR. Or I begin to believe in the existence of multiverse, where there is the same planet, the same people, but where Russia is doing well and the EU is "rotting" ;D

Regarding the statement "several months ago, the US and EU media reported that the Russian military had exhausted its arsenal and could no longer continue the war" - could you provide a resource where you read this ?
There are still resources, no one has denied it, but their number has greatly decreased, and you have been observing for the last 9 months:
- "second army of the world" for 10 months takes 1 city of 40 sq km. Destroying there a huge amount of HIS equipment and HIS manpower.
- The Minister of Defense and other messengers from the Kremlin are begging all their rogue friends (Iran, North Korea,...) for shells, armaments....
- Any offensive actions of the terrorist army actually stand, after the shameful rout in the north and south of Ukraine...

Or did you think - since the stockpiles decreased - they all realized their hands and ended the war ?  No, Putin will be to the last Russian to try to realize his morbid fantasy of becoming tsar of "Muscovy and annex new lands"....

Russian good do not have much market, that is true, if we talk in comparison of Chinese good and Those from America.

They are mainly exporters of raw materials and energy. By the way, I know it is rather off topic, but some days ago I was reading on the dangers of Asbestos to the human health, and realized that Russia is one of the biggest producers and exporters of it, even to this day when it is basically a banned building material.

Anyways, Perhaps someday we will see Russia living within an actual democracy I instead whatever Putin is trying to accomplish.

It won't take much of foreseen power to tell: future generations in the Russia will suffer from our week will and blind follow towards propaganda narratives in a few decades from present. Just try to imagine all those people, unborn yet, who will continue to repay debts we bound on them! What about the topic: it always has been a toy played by Kremlin habitat with no economical strength whatsoever!

I think the money condition also occurs with other currencies, it's only natural that there is a plan that the ruble will make gold for support so that the ruble user's trust continues to increase, and in my opinion this can be the right solution, if this happens of course it will make more and more users who don't hesitate to save the Ruble.

It's like a "joke" to me. All countries have debts and Russia's foreign debt is indeed large, but Russia also has much larger foreign exchange reserves. The only problem was the conflict between Russia and Ukraine which saw the United States and its allies freeze foreign exchange reserves so that the Russian Central Bank could not access them. Well, these sanctions have made Russia a little constrained in paying its debts and giving the impression of default.

So, OP, please be wise, we shouldn't judge right away that Russian ruble is a scam, but, it's better to check if it is true or not and then plug it in.

They have zero reserves under good governance at present, the country could be wealthy with so many assets & an increasingly larger usable land mass just waiting to be used properly but its deliberately self sabotaged to the benefit of some over the many.
  The idea is Russian should pay out of its reserves for its ongoing destruction of another country while having zero requirement to attack a sovereign nation.  They think they have enough excuse to kill and destroy based on history when there isnt any way to restore Russia back to its prior empire and no other country has that aspiration to take over its neighbors by force and death except perhaps China.       It would be a scam to believe any of Russia's recent actions are profitable to itself or anyone else, they are their own greatest enemy at present and so the prospects of anything or anyone connected to that failure are in question every day it continues including the currency.

Yes, good point. With currency reserves frozen and Russia being artificially prevented from receiving USD and EUR in export deals and processing transactions how can they pay the debt?  ::)

If there were three defaults, there will be fourth default. Ruble itself is not a scam but people behind it are the ones who make it scam, Ruble alone is a piece of paper. So, if the government is good, it won't be a scam but if they are bad or underqualified, then Ruble may become scam.
Overall, absolutely every currency is a scam tool because you pay taxes and on top of that, you pay hidden taxes via inflation. You pay two taxes. While you know the rate of income tax already, you don't know the rate of inflation beforehand, it's a bad surprise.

The problem is not that there are fewer "Russian" goods than Chinese. In fact, there are none at all :)
What can we say about a country that supposedly has large raw material reserves, but.... CAN'T PRODUCE NAILS ! :)
The total majority of goods are either stolen or copied from other producers, and the biggest problem is that then it is produced by absolutely backward technologies and wildly low quality !

And yes, you are right to notice - in russia they don't care about ecology and safety ! The goal is extremely simple - to make anything, as long as it costs pennies, and sell it to everyone with a huge markup, because there is no other alternative and will not be ! Yes, in Russia they still use asbestos panels in the construction of residential houses, and nobody cares about it. The Russian state does not need pensioners, so the short life span of citizens (on the verge of retirement age) is profitable for the state - it is very expensive to keep tens of millions of useless residents !

Poor study of history will ruin the Russia again and again.
So neither politicians nor economists not even military will help our rebuild.
One hope remains - psychiatrists! Sadly last one was not a joke...

It is hard, and I would say impossible, to answer you something, trying to prove the opposite :)
Yes, russia has never used logic and historical examples. The second problem of Russia is the global SELF-INVOLVEMENT, SELF-INVOLVEMENT and SYSTEMIC plundering of funds at all levels. Self-obanus was about "second army of the world", "world recognition" and "stable economy". The self-delusion is that the world community will be afraid to respond to Russia's terror. Stealing is already part of the genetics of the "Russian world" and the structure of the state itself.
As a result, the "small victorious war" has turned into a real hell for Russia, and there is no way out of it.... There is no way out for Russia...

Russia is difficult country to understand its history is also complicated like this geographical situation and as things are run by different peoples and political parties never been justified about this country even it's one of the best just because of its available sources, and they can turn the tables in positive way, but I never have anything positive from them in last 50 years War after War and conflicts kills this all domestically, and they are still doing nothing just personal ego and inner politics is having more troubles for them.
Even right now they can bring the change as China is standing with them but War in Ukraine hurting them and West and USA are also playing their part for this all we need big changes and changes in policies and strategies as well which can bring positive changes and better things in this country.

It looks like things have really spiced up over the last few days with the Rouble on a new downward tumble. It appears the Russian government has expended most of it's reserves that it used to prop up the currency so far and now complete faith is being lost. A lot of people will be betting against the rouble to fall even further now and that becomes a self fulfilling prophecy when the market is that unsettled. It's not even a surprise that it has taken so long to reach this precipice, because Putin was willing to waste his whole war chest and now with the economy in tatters, along with spending huge amounts on the war effort, it is going to crumble. Instead of selling their precious oil to the richest nations on the planet, it's being sold to India and China for pennies instead. He is one of the dumbest "leaders" of modern times.

There are many ways to go to Rome. Of course, this condition is a bit of a hassle for Russia where its currency is frozen and access to USD and EUR is prevented, as mentioned above, Yes. Vladimir Putin with his Ministry of Finance can take certain steps to solve the problem of paying his debts and one more thing he will not think of raising the debt ceiling to avoid this mess.

Well, my current view, Over time, flexibility and economic diplomacy and others can play an important role in overcoming problems and getting out of various problems.

For the best understanding of what is a "stable Russian economy" and "skillful management", and how life in Russia looks in reality, and not from the screens on which go streams of lies, the mouth of official propagandists, 1 picture. Everything is perfect in it - from the price to the terms of sale. I don't think you can find any other country where it is so good that bread is sold in installments. No, it's not a fake, it's not photoshop, it's not a picture from "1945"! This is modern Russia, where "most of the natural resources of the world", Russia is the biggest SELLER of grain. Speaking of grain, Russia sells high grade grain to the west and for foreign currency. The bread for the population is based on.... low quality feed grain. Forage grain is used to feed livestock, in Russia - to feed the population. The association is clear, isn't it? :)

And so the photo: Price - 143 rubles for 0.4 kg of bread loaf. And a more noticeable price tag with the sum of 11.99 and the inscription "Take a CREDIT, for 12 (!!!!!) months, without overpayments". This is what the "greatness of russia" looks like in reality  ;D ;D ;D ;D

https://i.postimg.cc/wBHsZDgK/photo-2023-08-14-22-20-26.jpg (https://postimg.cc/DSjZbJS5)


PS Understand - having such resources, having an adequate approach, it was possible to build a really prosperous country Russia ! And to be a friend and partner of which many countries would like.
But Russians chose the path of war, deaths, total lies, corruption, stealing from themselves, looting, destruction, .... Which eventually leads to their own self-destruction.

Yeah, sure it's real.

Unfortunately most people (especially from the US) will just believe whatever information they get from their propaganda sources and will just ignore real info from people who know what it's like actually.
I know a few people (including my employees/people I work with) that were in Russia from when the war started to today. The economy is actually never stronger and the average person doesn't even care about the war as it doesn't change anything for them, not even the price of bread.

And before you label me as some kind of Russian terrorist - I don't care about the war and politics as a whole, but you should really think about which countries are actually involved and who has interests there (hint: it isn't only about Russia and it's definitely not about saving Ukraine).
So don't worry, spread your false info even if it gains you nothing - and takes nothing from them as well. Oh, and check out Europe, the economy is really thriving right now since they put out sanctions.

Well, I suspected that you're retarded, but I couldn't even think you're buying such a low quality obvious 1.5 year-old fake!  ;D ;D ;D


Source: https://deepfakechallenge.com/gb/ufaq/15-03-2022-fake-products-on-credit-appeared-in-russia/

All and every word in your posts is BIG FAT LIE! It's quite shameful, I would delete this post ASAP if I were you!  8)

From what I have seen, this time there have been no attempt from the Russian government to reign in on the Ruble devaluation. They burnt a lot of their forex reserves last year for this purpose though. At this point, they are thinking about the short-term gains. Exports of hydrocarbons and grain has reached record levels, while imports are constantly declining. The regime wants citizens to be happy. So they will pour in more rubles to the social programs, and the people will remain happy. It will take some time for retail prices to adjust to the devaluation of the Ruble. Till then people will support the regime. 

Look how excited you are about a photo-fact ?!  ;D

Well, it's not a question of trying to prove otherwise.
And let's also discuss the statistics on microcredit in Russia ? Do you want to discuss what people take out microloans for? :)

By the way, what does your overexcited brain have to say about it ?
https://lenta.ru/news/2019/06/27/interesting/
https://www.vedomosti.ru/business/articles/2019/06/06/803520-perekrestok-prodast-edu-v-dolg

Notice this is 2019 when things were still more or less ? :)

I warned you - quit this rascist habit, stupid lying, and stupid denial of reality - reality doesn't change, and you look extremely stupid  ;D ;D ;D ;D

"but you should really think about which countries are actually involved and who has interests there"
You somehow hinted that there are real "interested parties" to these events, but did not openly mention Russia. I take it you're referring to someone else? :)
Then please - be consistent, name who is "interested", when and how did you implement this plan?

I will answer in advance: after the attack of Russia on Ukraine, in Ukraine, defending Ukraine, the Armed Forces of Ukraine (Ukraine) are fighting, Their goal is the defense of Ukraine, the destruction of the terrorist troops of the Russian Federation, controlled by the international criminal V.V. Putin, who is accused of kidnapping and exporting children of Ukraine to Russia . Which is a copy of the Nazi crimes of World War II.
 
Fighting against Ukraine are the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation (Russia), PMC Wagner (Russia).

Also, on both sides there are small groups of volunteers from other countries fighting both for the freedom of Ukraine and for Rashism.

Now will you share your "knowledge" about the situation in Ukraine, a citizen of Ukraine, a direct participant in the events? :)

That's two posts in a row, my little retarded propagandist friend. Please delete one of them.  ;D

Anyway, if you don't have anything to say on topic you'd better just stay silent. Everyone here is tired reading your propagandist crap without sources, zero credibility stuff full of propaganda clichés and lies. BTW, why you as a patriot of Ukraine are not fighting on the Eastern front? Why you're still not in trenches? I've heard that they're not conscripting retarded people in Ukraine? I wonder if this is a coincidence?  ;D ;D ;D

It's actually widely known but since you distribute fake images and facts, why would I even try to convince you about something you don't want to know about even if the facts are right here.
Again, I'm not going to discuss politics as it isn't the topic and I just don't want to. The topic is about Russia and their currency, which is why I was replying to your false facts from illegitimate sources.

Why are you sharing your "knowledge" about Russia if you are in Ukraine? How can your false claims be accepted while I can't say something about Ukraine(even though I am only talking about the war)?
Of course you don't know. You don't see the wider picture and you never will, you're just listening what you are told.

Anyways, hope you are well and have a great day.

While Russian has China as a ally, I think it would be very difficult for the regime to change or there will be a political change in the Kremlin. China is such a giant in economical terms and if Pekin finds convenient for the Russian regime to continue to exist, they could manage to pull off some plan so the Russian people won't ever notice inflation in a very drastic way, like we see in other countries like Venezuela and Argentina.

That is the difference, the direct backing of China can single-handily hold on the consequences of inflation and the isolation from the global markets or at least the markets controlled by the United States and its allies.   

As soon as Xi stops supporting Putin, then the downfall of Russia would be a matte of time, in my opinion.

I actually wasn't aware of this happening.  I would say this is a strong case that shows just how much of a "super power" Russia is not.  We all thought they were going to go in to Ukraine and wipe them out over night, but it wasn't even close.

All fiat money has become a scam.  It's completely manipulated by the government/federal reserves and banks.  This is why I wish more people would focus on bitcoin as a currency rather than an investment.

I'd say it's highly likely chief. Russia is too big and rich in culture and vodka and crazy fucking bears drunk on vodka to fail so bad and become 3rd world country. You guys will be fine currently you're just Putin it all on the ruble though 😉

Haven't you heard the story? There was a traitor among the high-standing Russian military who informed the CIA or military intelligence and Ukraine knew exactly that Russia was going to attack, when and where. He sold them all the plans. Russian army was marching in columns, with many of the latest tanks and best fighters completely unprotected. The US provided Javelin ATGM and UA soldiers were waiting in ambush, attacking and destroying hundreds of Russian tanks. The US provided satellite images and Starlink internet to let Ukrainians track all the Russian army moves. Russian elite fighters went on a suicide mission to Hostomel airport, were blocked there and eventually destroyed by the Ukrainian army. Again, this was known beforehand and Ukrainian knew everything that was going to happen. Every step of it. Without that US support (can't call it support really, more like a proxy war) things would have looked exactly as you described above.  ;D  


I generally agree, but to me both Bitcoin as a currency and Bitcoin as an investment look important. Bitcoin is a multi-purpose tool, a Swiss army knife of the world of finance.

Let's start with simple - refute, and prove that the photo I provided, and the fact itself - is a FAKE ?
If you can't prove it with arguments - you are a liar, and a primitive manipulator :)
And so - we are waiting for your "proof", and then we will continue the dialog. But I'm sure you as well as the majority of fans of the Russian world, now you will make up some stupid excuse and "move out" of the dialog. The reason is banal - you simply do not like the truth, and love fairy tales.
Your second problem is that I love the truth, which is easy to prove with facts. So I can easily prove to you that the above image, and the event itself takes place, happened recently, and is actually recorded :)
Yes, I know that there are a lot of fakes, many are just making fun of the "great Russia", so before publishing such facts, I check them.

And so, no time to waste - your answer to my question - your proof that I published a "fake", or rather that this photo is a fake ?  I look forward to it ! :)

All the best to you, and a productive search for "proof"  ;D

I don't even have anything to say/comment. The proof is there right above this post. You are either blind or retarded. All this post of yours is a 100% lie. Not a single word of truth. This fake was refuted millions of times, you can check when this image first appeared online.

Btw, you're not fighting against Russians yet? Why is that? Your Ukrainian brethren are dying in Donbas but you're trolling here on bitcointalk? Not very patriotic right?  ;D

If I'm lying - make an argument and OPPOSE it :)
But... I don't expect an answer, because you have nothing to say except reprinting rashist propaganda broadcasts.
Or do you want to refute the hysteria in the Central Bank of Russia ? The Russian Ministry of Economy? The urgent calls by the pathetic international criminal Putin to "stabilize the economy". I read and watch news from the terrorist country all the time. And I don't see any positivity from the Russian government, except hysterics and deep not understanding why things are so bad :) just read their OFFICIAL media ! You think I write them ? :)

And yes, I am still helping the heroic AFU to destroy the cancer of the modern world - RASHISM. In 2022 I spent 9 months in the ranks of the Territorial Defense, was wounded, and since December 2022 demobilized. But I continue to assist the defenders of Ukraine as much as possible - financially, technically and consultatively.... Why didn't you go to war against "dollarization, NATO, the West, ..." and other propaganda nonsense ? :) Tell me another fairy tale story ?!!  ;D ;D ;D

What argument? You're over-complicating things! Anyone with basic pc skills can google the fake image you posted find out when it first appeared online and what's wrong with it. Btw, you can find it above in one of my posts.

You see, nobody can check the "fact" that your were in territorial defense and you were wounded. It's like your words only. And nobody believes the words of the forums #1 liar!  ;D

There was not much fighting going on near Kiev. Was it an air strike? Even if it's not a lie and you were wounded, why you're not back in service? More than half a year (9 months) later? Was it some serious injury? Some brain damage perhaps?  ;D

Not Just Ruble but pretty much all fiat is a scam it is made from paper and backed by thin air and the government keeps printing it.

But we can't do anything in fact I'm still using it  ;D So funny Fiat Money is the greatest Magic on earth but here we are.

Here Example of US Dollar

https://cdn.howmuch.net/articles/Rise-and-Fall-of-the-USD-64c2.jpg

See what is going on  8) but dont afraid we had government and every problem has a solution  ;D

There is no doubt that the US Dollar has lost it's purchasing power very steeply over the years. But at the same time, other fiat currencies have performed even worse. Almost 99% of the other fiat currencies are losing their value against USD in the long run. Swiss Franc is a rare exception, were a fiat currency retains its purchasing power even better than the USD. Singapore Dollar and Brunei Dollar are other examples, but these currencies are not very popular. Japanese Yen used to perform well, but in recent times it has also gone down against the USD.

Although there are still some national currencies that still perform quite well, if their nature is still centralized and controlled by the government, devaluation is inevitable. Because as long as the economy has a problem and the government immediately prints more money to solve it, it is only a matter of time before the fiat currency depreciates. All currencies are scams but backed by the government so they are always considered legit.

And dansus021 is right, we can't do anything and will continue to use them like it or not. But with the advent of the concept of decentralization, we will be less dependent on fiat, and that is happening like de-dollarization is happening.

Yes, it is true that many other fiat currencies have been losing their value in comparison to the US dollar. This depreciation can be influenced by various factors such as inflation rates, economic stability, geopolitical events, and interest rate differentials between countries.
National currencies can rise in price relative to other currencies if a country's export volume is ahead of its import volume. But if the state does not devalue the national currency in relation to the dollar, then enterprises will not be competitive in the world market.

The USD will remain the most stable currency for many years to come but it would be a bit political to say that the Russian currency is a scam and the USD is still a trustworthy currency. Ever since we got to know bitcoin, we've been able to see how bad and evil fiat can be. So it can be said they are all the same, all currencies are scams.

I know we have a lot of people who support the US government and also a lot of people who support the Russian government. But we're just discussing, so we need to be honest and realistic, don't get too excited on one side and talk bad about the other.

It is foolish to deny reality, and say that the dollar is not subject to inflation. The graph shows perfectly well what happened to it during this period. But you forget that over the same period many "strong currencies" died out completely. The German mark - can I show you a 20 MILLION mark bill ? With which you could buy bread, but no more. And 2 years before that the German economy was powerful and the mark was expensive. And the same ruble - how many reforms with cutting off "extra zeros" did it go through? Take even the last "stable period" from 2000 to today - how many times has the ruble depreciated in 20 years?  Provided that Russia is the largest supplier of hydrocarbons to the market ? :) Can you tell similar stories about the dollar ? So let's "measure the commensurable".

Russia continues to invest all its funds in the war of aggression against Ukraine and its main reserve - the National Welfare Fund - is being reduced very sharply.
In the coming years, according to the International Monetary Fund, Russia will continue to lose its position in the ranking of countries in the world in terms of living standards. The Russian Federation already ranks 68th in the world in terms of GDP per capita, which is considered an indicator of the level of economic activity and quality of life of citizens.

Last year, the Russian economy generated just $13,648 in GDP per capita. This is 6 times less than the USA ($81,632), 4 times less than Germany, and almost 10 times less than Luxembourg ($129,810). Over the past 10 years, GDP per capita in the Russian Federation has decreased by 16%. As a result, in the world rankings Russia was on the same level with Mexico ($13,642) and below Panama ($18,725), Argentina ($14,024), Bulgaria ($15,854) and Hungary ($22,146).

In the next three years, according to IMF forecasts, Russian GDP will grow by only 11% to $15,146. As a result, Russia will let Kazakhstan and Turkmenistan advance. By 2029, Russian GDP per capita will be $15,683 – 15% less than in Kazakhstan ($18,396) and Turkmenistan ($18,202).

https://www.unian.net/world/rossiya-upadet-nizhe-turkmenistana-po-urovnyu-zhizni-uzhe-cherez-tri-goda-mvf-novosti-mira-amp-12623451.html

And all because Putin wanted to go down in history as a great conqueror on the level of Hitler, and the Russian people actively supported him in this. Just like Hitler before, he threw countless columns of tanks and armored vehicles into Ukraine without declaring war. To date, according to the Armed Forces of Ukraine, 470,870 military personnel have become irretrievably lost to Russians, 7,332 tanks, 14,096 armored vehicles, 12,044 artillery systems, 1,053 MLRS, 784 air defense systems, 26 warships and boats and other military equipment have been destroyed. But the Russians still have to pay for the atrocities and genocide of the Ukrainian people.

And all because Putin wanted to go down in history as a great conqueror on the level of Hitler, and the Russian people actively supported him in this. Just like Hitler before, he threw countless columns of tanks and armored vehicles into Ukraine without declaring war. To date, according to the Armed Forces of Ukraine, 470,870 military personnel have become irretrievably lost to Russians, 7,332 tanks, 14,096 armored vehicles, 12,044 artillery systems, 1,053 MLRS, 784 air defense systems, 26 warships and boats and other military equipment have been destroyed. But the Russians still have to pay for the atrocities and genocide of the Ukrainian people.

I beieve that you are pretty much misinformed about the real situation in Ukraine, what actually happened there and why Putin started this war.
First of all the Ukrainian nazies wh came to power in Ukraine in a coup in 2014 started the policy of killing Russian speaking Ukrainians. Ukraine has always been a part of Russia and the USSR from times immemorial and a lot of Russians live in the eastern part of Ukraine and you can imagine that all these Russian speaking people have been endangered by the neonazies in Ukraine. These neonazies have been educated by the US CIA special operations whereby the main aim of the CIA was to divide Ukraine and start a civil war in Ukraine.
The Russian speaking people living in the eastern provinces of Ukraine did not want to be killed and live under the new nazi regime. So they decided to seceed from Kiev. But the nazies in Kiev did not accept that and sent an army to the eastern part of Ukraine (Donetsk, Lugansk). Fortunately the nazies have not been able to subjugate the eastern provinces of Ukraine and they started to bombshell this territory starting from 2014.
All these 10 years starting from 2014 these killers and murderers have been firing at this territory which caused deaths of many Russian speaking people.
It was a civil war inside Ukraine that killed mostly Russian speakng people who did not deserved to be killed.
Of course CNN and other media of disinformation will never tell you the truth like I do.
They will always be telling you that Putin is like Hitler whereas in fact the new Hitler is Zelensky and the nazies.
By the way all these neo nazies un Ukraine are descendants of those who fought in WW2 on the side of fascist Germany.
The main reason that Putin invaded Ukraine is the fact that the US neocons wanted Ukraune to join NATO and and they were going to place US military bases in Ukraine so that NATO would expand to Ukraine and it was a very big threat to Russia.
In fact we could say that Biden provoked putin to make the first move. Putin could not act otherwise when he saw that the US was planning to place US forces inside Ukraine very close to the heart of Russia.
This was unacceptable.
One more thing.
The US neocons including Biden are very happy that this war is going on in Ukraine. They are well aware of the fact that most of the Ukrainians are in fact Russians and they deem it worthwile that a war has started in which the Russians are killing themselves in this war.
All these things that you write about in your message is utter nonsence. But I understand that it was written by someone whi has been  duped by the neocon propaganda. I hope that you reread this message a t least a few times and may be from now on you will start to understand what's really going on in Ukraine.
Also I suggest you watch al least a few videos by colonel McGregor  on Youtube. He knows the truth and speaks openly about it.
    

Afganistan was hosting a terrorist leader who did attack USA.  When that leader moved to Pakistan an operation recovered his body and there was no war.  How would that compare to Ukraine and there being any point to this war, I wish there was some end to it.

That point is only relevant to this thread is by way of saying governments will waste money endlessly, they didnt earn it and its easy to spend and waste on something like war.   Killing people is not productive in any way, nobody is gaining from the current wars.  It would seem to be mostly about ego.

FIAT can only be used short term or it leads to lost money.   At some point I think that leads to bond markets relied on by the largest debtor nations not continuing easily.  Probably higher interest rates and a higher apparent cost to everyone, debt is never free it always costs someone.

Markets recently noticed both China and Russia both hold gold as a way of circumventing the normal FIAT and debt markets.   It would be a harsh switch if gold did raise in significance as its a plain commodity not diluted, leveraged, etc

Are you really sure that Osama Ben Laden was behind 9-11? Do you know that he was very much surprised when he heard that he was being searched by CIA for 9-11 attack?
Do you know that 9-11 was an inside job carried out by CIA? And again I see that you were duped by MSM of the West, my dear friend...

Why did the USA lie to the Soviet leader in 1990 when Reagan promised to Gorbachov that NATO would not expand to the east? They lied to him and now the US was implementing a plan to install military bases in Ukraine. Do you know anything about it?  

Any national currency is subject to inflation. Dollar - a little less.

A feature of the modern economy is that it is financed by lending with unsecured (out of thin air) money. This allows the economy to develop on debt (future money). A side effect is inflation, which is shown on the graph. As a result, we get a rapidly developing economy, but with the depreciation of money.

The German mark was replaced by the euro, not dead. This currency is correctly called Deutsche Mark.

This is not yet an indicator of a strong economy, which means that national money is cheap. By the way, Russia supplies hydrocarbons to other countries not in rubles. If this were so, it would certainly affect (positive) its economy. Generally speaking, commodity economies are weak. Name at least one country with a commodity-based economy and a strong national currency.

There are no similar stories to be told about the dollar, because it is not for nothing that the dollar is a reserve currency.

To understand well the events that are happening now in Ukraine, you need to live in it for at least the last twenty years. I have been living in Ukraine all this time and I see with my own eyes all the economic and political processes actually taking place in it. Where do you live, talking about what is happening in Ukraine? I can say with confidence that you are not a resident of Ukraine.

Putin launched a military invasion of Ukraine, first a hybrid one in 2014 and then an open one in 2022, largely out of a desire to bring Ukraine back into the Russian sphere of influence and eventually annex its territories into Russia. He began to act actively when he saw that Ukraine was taking real steps towards rapprochement with Europe and was trying to join the European Union. In November 2013, the team of the then President of Ukraine Yanukovych went against the will of the people and, on Putin’s instructions, abandoned the course towards European integration. After this, people took to the streets to protest. Yanukovych tried to disperse this protest by force, giving the command to fire live ammunition at unarmed demonstrators. As a result of this, over a hundred people were killed, who were later called the “heavenly hundred” in Ukraine. But the people were not afraid and at the rally they announced that the next morning they would storm the residence of the murderous president. Yanukovych was frightened by this and fled to Russia, where he remains to this day. A coup you say? So who provoked him?

Before the war with Russia, there was no not only hostile, but even hostile attitude towards Russian speakers in Ukraine. Perhaps in the west of Ukraine, where the genocide and atrocities of the USSR against the Ukrainian people are still fresh in memory. There are indeed many Russian speakers in Ukraine, because the Russification of the entire USSR was previously its policy. I myself have spoken Russian for almost my entire adult life, living in Ukraine. But the topic of Russian speakers and the supposed need to protect them was used by the Kremlin to attack Ukraine. As a result, in the east of occupied Ukraine, cities were destroyed almost to the ground and the male population almost disappeared. A kind of protection from Russia.

Now, indeed, the people of Ukraine are massively abandoning the use of the Russian language as the language of the occupiers and are switching to Ukrainian. In particular, if before the war about 455 thousand schoolchildren studied the Russian language as a separate subject in Ukrainian schools, now less than a thousand schoolchildren study Russian in schools that survived Russian missile attacks. This is a pattern so that in Russia there is no desire to “protect” Russian speakers in Ukraine.

To understand well the events that are happening now in Ukraine, you need to live in it for at least the last twenty years. I have been living in Ukraine all this time and I see with my own eyes all the economic and political processes actually taking place in it. Where do you live, talking about what is happening in Ukraine? I can say with confidence that you are not a resident of Ukraine.

You are correct in saying that I do not live in Ukraine. But I know very well what exactly is going on in Ukraine.
At this time the young generation in Ukraine has been brainwashed by anti Russian propaganda cooked by CIA and Victoria Nuland to such an extent that they do not understand what is really heppening in Ukraine despite that they have been living in Ukraine all the time.
I have been living in the USSR and then in Russia all this time. People living in Ukraine and in Russia are one people. In fact my father and grandfather was a Ukrainian. The CIA has been conducting a branwashing special operation whereby their main goal has been to convert Ukraine into anti Russia, they have bought off all the Ukrainian elite and set a task before them to convert Ukraine into anti Russia by sowing hostility between Ukraine and Russia.
The young generation in Ukraine has been subjected to tons of anti Russian propaganda whereby Moscow was blamed for everything and all troubles of Ukraine.This I know very well. One does not have to live in Ukraine in order to know this. And I don't want to live in Ukraine because I know that if I lived there then I would have been conscripted to the army a long time ago and murdered in the war by Ukrainian nazi. 

Putin launched a military invasion of Ukraine, first a hybrid one in 2014 and then an open one in 2022, largely out of a desire to bring Ukraine back into the Russian sphere of influence and eventually annex its territories into Russia.

Do you know anything about the killings of Russian speaking people in Ukraine that started in 2014?
Do you know anything about the cruel murder of Russian speaking people in Odessa 10 years ago?
Do you understand that the so called break away provinces of Ukraine in the East of Ukraine did not wnat to live under the rule of Kiev anymore and and that's why they decided to seceed from Ukraine?
Why are you talking about the hybrid invasion of Ukraine when in fact Ukrainian nazies have been killing and murdering Russian speaking people in Ukraine? I do not believe this to be an invasion.
Why don't you admit that the CIA has been converting Ukraine into anti Russia and it is CIA and corrupt Ukrainian elite that started to bring hate to the people of Ukraine.
Do you know about the bombshelling of the Eastern breakaway provinces of Ukraine whereby masses of Russian speaking people have been killed by Ukrainian nazies since 2014? If you lived in Ukraine then didn't you know about these mass killings? Why don't you admit that?   

It's not a scam in the traditional sense of the word. It is just a currency run very badly by the government of Russia and a byproduct of awful leaders for this country. Russia is heavily reliant on oil production and mining to prop up its economy, it's very undiversified in that sense. Which means it is more liable to the cyclical swings and waning demands of the world economy. These industries crash very hard during recessions and drag the whole country down with it. Although some of those defaults probably have more roots in political instability than anything else.

After this, people took to the streets to protest. Yanukovych tried to disperse this protest by force, giving the command to fire live ammunition at unarmed demonstrators. As a result of this, over a hundred people were killed, who were later called the “heavenly hundred” in Ukraine. But the people were not afraid and at the rally they announced that the next morning they would storm the residence of the murderous president. Yanukovych was frightened by this and fled to Russia, where he remains to this day. A coup you say? So who provoked him?

As regards the coup in Ukraine it was organized by the CIA. Then I want to tell you that president Yanukovich did not order to fire live ammunition at unarmed demonstrators. This is a lie concocted by CIA. Noone knows who exactly  fired live ammunition at unarmed demonstrators. There was a suggestion that it might be an Izraeli special forces who hid on the roof tops of neightbouring buildings. Anyway that was a provocation cooked and prepared by the CIA because they wanted to find a reason to dispose of Yanukovich, bring their puppets to power and start a war between Russia and Ukraine.
The most important thing that everyone needs to understand is that the coup and ensuing war in Ukraine was arranged by the CIA operatives. 

Now, indeed, the people of Ukraine are massively abandoning the use of the Russian language as the language of the occupiers and are switching to Ukrainian. In particular, if before the war about 455 thousand schoolchildren studied the Russian language as a separate subject in Ukrainian schools, now less than a thousand schoolchildren study Russian in schools that survived Russian missile attacks. This is a pattern so that in Russia there is no desire to “protect” Russian speakers in Ukraine.

I find it very funny to read such an opinion that the people of Ukraine are massively abandoning the use of the Russian language as the language of the occupiers. Russian language is their native tongue. Why would they want to convert into Ukrainian? This is total BS. Besides Ukrainian language is an artificial construct that was invented by communists in the USSR.
I have heard many times opinions of many Ukrainians that live in Ukraine under nazi occupation. They just pretend to want to convert into Ukrainian language whereas in fact they don't want to forget their mother tongue and switch to Ukrainian.
They have to pretend to go along with that because they know that if they don't do that then they would be killed by Nazi Gestapo in Ukraine.

And one more thing. I would not argue with you and not disagree with the fact that many young Ukrainian citizens are abandoning Russian language and switching to Ukrainian. This is true of course and it can be easily explained by the fact that the young generation in Ukraine has been brought up in the anti Russian hate, all this new generation has been massively brainwashed. So it's quite natural that they consider Russian language to be a language of occupiers.
Good work, CIA! This is a very important achievement.

And one more thing. it is becoming very interesting to read about one million of Ukrainian refugees who have  escaped conscription to the army by escaping to Western Europe. They have successfully escaped death in this way.
Nobody wants to die in a war organized by the CIA.
And now I am starting to hear more and more  that in Poland and many other European countries the local authorities are thinking that it might be worthwile to forcefully repatriate all Ukrainian males aged 18 to 60 back to Ukraine so that they would be conscripted to the army and thus Ukraine would once again have a chance to attack the Russian army.
It is very funny to read about that. It seems that soon all these European countries would start sending Ukrainian males out of their countries to certain death because forceful repatriation of any Ukrainian male into Ukraine is a death sentence.
I believe that soon the only hope that all these Ukrainian males would have to escape death in a war would be an escape to Russia where they would be met with friendliness and absolutely no hostiliities.
However Biden and his cronies want to kill as many Russians and Ukrainians as possible.
So I 'll be watching very closely how the events would unfold further.  
  
  

You know, it is very funny to read about the default of Russian ruble. Wake up! The dollar default is already here. It has already happened, As soon as the US froze the foreign assets of Russia evrybody in the world understands that effectively this means the dollar default. Now the US is talking about not only freezing the Russian assets but outright confiscation of Russian foreign reserves. This is the US default pure and simple. 

And you know what? I have in my mind one very important issue that must be taken into account and adhered to: protection of the army troops form deadly coronavirus infection.
What about it? How about it? Does the Ukrainian army vaccinate their soldiers from this very deadly coronavirus infection and if not why are they not doing it? Why has everybody forgotten about it? This is unacceptable behaviour.
Every soldier in the fields of Ukraine must be vaccinated against this deadly desease. Was all this pandemic for nothing? Didn't we learn anything? What is the army commander doing? What is he thinking about?
I believe that we must bring the importance of this issue to the relevant authorities in the theater of war activities.
We must fight the spread of coronavirus infection on the battlefield.
And what about distancing and masks? Do they understand that distancing and masking is of paramount importance? This can not be neglected anymore.
Every soldier should be in the distance of not less than 3 feet from another soldier. All army officers have to keep this rule in mind. I believe that the WHO does not do their work properly. Why are they neglecting this issue? This is unacceptable.       

Did Israeli special forces shoot at the demonstrators from the roofs of neighboring houses? If you wrote that aliens did it, it would be more believable. But even if we consider this version, then armed special forces of another state can be in Ukraine only with the personal approval of then President Yanukovych, which absolutely does not relieve him of responsibility. But the video clearly shows that this was done by representatives of the Ukrainian riot police. They were wearing the same clothes with their faces covered, and this is what made it difficult in court to identify them. But some of them were convicted by Ukrainian courts, while others fled to Russia.

Did Ukraine want war with Russia? It’s complete nonsense, considering that before this Ukraine transferred to Russia the third most powerful nuclear potential in the world, transferred a significant part of its combat aircraft, missiles and other weapons with which Russia is now attacking. Ukraine significantly reduced the size of its army to such an extent that Russia eventually captured the Crimean peninsula without firing a shot. Ukraine simply did not have the opportunity to resist then, and at the same time you say that Ukraine was preparing to attack Russia? And as a result, Russia also carried out a large-scale attack on Ukraine in February 2022. Maybe you will still deny this? Russian propaganda twists all facts and events to the point of absurdity, but at the same time Russians firmly believe in it.

Did Israeli special forces shoot at the demonstrators from the roofs of neighboring houses? If you wrote that aliens did it, it would be more believable. But even if we consider this version, then armed special forces of another state can be in Ukraine only with the personal approval of then President Yanukovych, which absolutely does not relieve him of responsibility. But the video clearly shows that this was done by representatives of the Ukrainian riot police. They were wearing the same clothes with their faces covered, and this is what made it difficult in court to identify them. But some of them were convicted by Ukrainian courts, while others fled to Russia.


As regards where these shooters come from nobody knows but I am aware of the fact that Yanukovoch was afraid of using military force against the demonstrators because he was not a hardliner at all. He was a civilized politician and that was his mistake. He could have quelled the rebellion if he was more decisive. But he chickened out and had to flee the country to avoid being killed by the nazi rebels.

Did Ukraine want war with Russia? It’s complete nonsense, considering that before this Ukraine transferred to Russia the third most powerful nuclear potential in the world, transferred a significant part of its combat aircraft, missiles and other weapons with which Russia is now attacking. Ukraine significantly reduced the size of its army to such an extent that Russia eventually captured the Crimean peninsula without firing a shot. Ukraine simply did not have the opportunity to resist then, and at the same time you say that Ukraine was preparing to attack Russia? And as a result, Russia also carried out a large-scale attack on Ukraine in February 2022. Maybe you will still deny this? Russian propaganda twists all facts and events to the point of absurdity, but at the same time Russians firmly believe in it.
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You remark about the Ukraine not wanting a war is funny because after the coup the Ukraine became a puppet country manipulated by the US as a puppet master.  Biden and his friends wanted a war very badly. They started poking the Russian bear and finally the bear complied.

It was not Ukraine that was preparing to attack Russia. It was the US that was in the process of installing US military bases all over Ukraine. At the same time CIA was brainwashing the younger generation in Ukraine to the effect that they started thinking that Moscow was guilty of all the problems in Ukraine.

Also I already told you about systematic bombing of the eastern regions of Ukraine by artillery fire.

The US was planning to install military bases and missiles that could reach Moscow within several minutes. What do you think would happen if Russia installed military bases and missiles in Mexico that would point in the direction of the US? How would the US like that?

Also Biden repeatedly said in his public speeches that the most important task was a regime change in Russia.

How do you think the US would react if some country installed military bases in Mexico and made a series of public statements that a regime change in Washington would be good for democracy and world peace?

As regards Russian propaganda which allegedly twists all the facts and events to the point of absurdity it is not Russian propaganda but Western propaganda which is doing it and you are doing it as well.

You might be either duped by the US propaganda and honestly mistaken or you might be spreading misinformation on this forum on purpose.

Anyway all the info that you refer to is misleading just like the Western propaganda is a blatant lie about the Ukraine war.

And one more thing. The traitor Zelensky and his company of traitors of Ukraine have betrayed the people of Ukraine and illegally sold large chunks of Ukrainian land to the US corporations like Blackrock and others.
So in effect it turns out that all these silly Ukrainian people figthing the Russian army are fighting not in the interest of their country but in the interest of the US oligarchs. That's pathetic. Of course the Western propaganda tells that they fight in the name of democracy.

 
       
 

And again I suggest that you watch at least a few videos by colonel McGregor on youtube about Ukraine.
Hie is very well informed about the real situation and the real reason for this war.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vWyKAdtoyUM&pp=ygUZY29sb25lbCBtYWNncmVnb3IgdWtyYWluZQ%3D%3D
https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=colonel+macgregor+ukraine

Are there American military bases in Ukraine? Then indicate where exactly, I’ll go look at them, otherwise I’ve never even heard of such military bases. Almost every day, Russia fires missiles and drones at absolutely the entire territory of Ukraine. And she doesn’t touch the American military bases on the territory of Ukraine? Or are they simply not there?

If the United States wanted to destroy Russia or go to war with it, it would have been enough to provide Ukraine with the necessary military assistance back in 2022, and now at least the south of Ukraine and its Crimea peninsula would be liberated from Russian occupiers. As it is, the United States is still afraid of the escalation of the conflict with Russia and gives Ukraine minimal assistance, which, moreover, always arrives late.

Now Finland, after a large-scale attack on Ukraine, has become a member of NATO and has a common border with Russia of about 1200 kilometers. From its territory it is very convenient to launch missiles both at Moscow and St. Petersburg. From Finland it is even much closer than from Ukraine. But Russia does not react to this fact that way and still wants to capture Ukraine. Don't you think that something doesn't add up in your reasoning?

Is Ukraine shelling its own territory in Donbass? Wars always begin or escalate where “peacekeeping” Russian troops enter to provide assistance, as is happening in Georgia, Moldova, and Ukraine. Without such “help,” neighboring states would live calmly and peacefully. Putin's Russia has long turned into a terrorist state. That is why the civilized world logically wants a change in the Putin regime that rules there in Russia.

Are there American military bases in Ukraine? Then indicate where exactly, I’ll go look at them, otherwise I’ve never even heard of such military bases. Almost every day, Russia fires missiles and drones at absolutely the entire territory of Ukraine. And she doesn’t touch the American military bases on the territory of Ukraine? Or are they simply not there?


No. Not yet. But the bases were in the plans.
Again let's turn it the other way around. Suppose the US invades Mexico after Russia arranges a coup in Mexico and starts bombshelling the eastern provinces of Mexico. And then you ask me the following: where are the military bases? There are no military bases. Therefore the US must be condemned for invading Mexico.
The same situation.
Then again in reply to your statement: Since 2014 almost every day Ukkrainian nazis have been firing missiles  at absolutely the entire territory of Donetsk and Lugansk and they have been systematically killing Russian speaking people.living there.
Please understand that after the coup of 2014 Ukraine has become and occupied country. It has been occupied by the CIA.


If the United States wanted to destroy Russia or go to war with it, it would have been enough to provide Ukraine with the necessary military assistance back in 2022, and now at least the south of Ukraine and its Crimea peninsula would be liberated from Russian occupiers. As it is, the United States is still afraid of the escalation of the conflict with Russia and gives Ukraine minimal assistance, which, moreover, always arrives late.


The US has a different goal in their mind. They want to weaken Russia as much as possible and they don't want either Ukraine or Russia to win in this war. The US is running a budget deficit of 34 trillions of dollars. This debt is unsustainable and everybody knows that this debt will never be repaid. So what the US is doing is that they installed financial sanctions against Russia. By this they are weakening Germany which has been buying gas at a very low cost from Russia. Hence Germany has lost its competitive edge and it can no longer compete with the US.
Since economic crisis is endagering economic supremacy of the US then the US arranges a war in Europe whereby business cooperation between Germany and Russia has come to an end.
What the US wants now is they want to create chaos in Europe. This chaos would drive numerous rich businessmen of Europe to move their capitals to the US and thereby the US would overcome the incoming financial crisis by using the fact that majority of rich people move their capitals to the US.
  

Now Finland, after a large-scale attack on Ukraine, has become a member of NATO and has a common border with Russia of about 1200 kilometers. From its territory it is very convenient to launch missiles both at Moscow and St. Petersburg. From Finland it is even much closer than from Ukraine. But Russia does not react to this fact that way and still wants to capture Ukraine. Don't you think that something doesn't add up in your reasoning?


I totally agree with this viewpoint of yours and I have been thinking it over from time to time myself but again what you don't understand is that since time immemorial Ukraine has been the land where Russians lived. In the past there was no Ukraine and the territory of Ukraine has always been a territory of Imperial Russia at least during 5 centuries if not more.
After the socialist revolution in 1917 the new Soviet republic that then was renamed USSR consisted of 15 Soviet Socilalist Republics and Ukraine was one of these republics.
Ukraine is an artificial construct, it was created by Lenin. Please understand that there was no Ukraine before 1917.
Then USSR disintegrated in 1991 and Ukaine gained independence as a separate country.
However the US was not sleeping and the State Department has been working with all these former Soviet republics in order to take advantage of and exploit all these former USSR republics to the advantage of the US.
Also please note that in the 90ies the US sent its advisors to Russia whereby they helped Russia to convert the economy of Russia to the so called market economy.
To make a long story short the US has been exploiting Russia by bying off the elite of Russia until Putin came to power and put an end to it.
Unfortunately nobody could do anything about Ukraine and finally the US managed to install the new puppet government.

One of the goals or dreams that all Ukrainian population has been dreaming about since the beginning of 21st century has been visa free entry to the Western countries.

One could say that this dream was the main reason behind Maidan or government coup in 2012 in Ukraine. And they got it some time ago. At last the people of Ukraine got a right of visa free travel to the West. They deserved it because they have been dreaming about it all the time.
Now let’s fast forward 10 years and what do we see?

We see that the government of Ukraine has turned Ukraine into one large concentration camp because any military aged man is not allowed to travel outside Ukraine.
The Ukrainian military needs men of military age in as large quantities as possible and that’s the main reason behind this law.
I have read many times that military registration and enlistment offices in Ukraine are literally kidnapping Ukrainian men of military age in streets, in their homes, when they go shopping or go to fitness centers, everywhere they could.
Because of that law men in Ukraine have to hide in villages in cellars, everywhere they could hide.

In contrast I do not see anything of this kind happening in Russia. People of male sex in Russia are not terrorized in this way here in Russia. They can even go abroad without any problems.

So it turns out that Ukraine has turned itself into a large concentration camp based on the concept of Western democracy.
It turns out that Western democracy and concentration camp is one and the same.

But Putin’s Russia is not a concentration camp. I can easily go abroad if I have money to buy a ticket.

I am not rooting for Putin and I have my own beef with Putin but at least people in Russia are not murdered like they are murdered in Ukraine by the government of Ukraine.

In conclusion I want to say that all these events in Ukraine have been taking place under careful and watchful eye of the US administration.
So much for the Western democracy.
That’s what I want to get across to you.


Is Ukraine shelling its own territory in Donbass? Wars always begin or escalate where “peacekeeping” Russian troops enter to provide assistance, as is happening in Georgia, Moldova, and Ukraine. Without such “help,” neighboring states would live calmly and peacefully. Putin's Russia has long turned into a terrorist state. That is why the civilized world logically wants a change in the Putin regime that rules there in Russia.


Yes that is correct. The Ukraine has been firing artilerry shells at the eastern parts of Ukraine during the last 10 years.

By the way here is an opinion of Doug Casey regarding this conflict:
 
It's completely dishonest for Biden to blame Putin for the war in the Ukraine and say that's the cause of inflation. It's a bit off-topic here, but the war is mostly the fault of the US, expanding NATO to Russia's border, replacing a Russian stooge in the Ukraine with US stooges starting in 2014, and backing a bloody war against the Donbas republics when they seceded. Putin's unfortunate invasion is basically just a reaction to US meddling. In essence, it's just a border war between two shithole countries in a region where frontiers have been moving for many hundreds of years. But US meddling might yet turn it into WW3.

The war in Ukraine is the culmination of a 30-year project of the American neoconservative movement. The Biden Administration is packed with the same neocons who championed the US wars of choice in Serbia (1999), Afghanistan (2001), Iraq (2003), Syria (2011), Libya (2011), and who did so much to provoke Russia’s invasion of Ukraine. The neocon track record is one of unmitigated disaster, yet Biden has staffed his team with neocons. As a result, Biden is steering Ukraine, the US, and the European Union towards yet another geopolitical debacle.

One dumb war after another. And $10 - $15 trillion down the drain. The ‘armed wing of the deep state’ – the war mongers on the banks of the Potomac – have gotten richer. Everyone else has gotten poorer.

For decades, the war mongers have kept the pot boiling, always looking for enemies – foreign and domestic. And this past February, 2022, they finally succeeded in goading Russia into war. The long, sorry history of government in the Ukraine is beyond the scope of this blog. So, too, is it beyond the interest of Americans, generally. There couldn’t be more than a few dozen people in the whole US who care whether the Donetsk People’s Republic is controlled by the Ukrainians, by the Russians, or by the people themselves.

One of the goals of the war industry has been to make Russia the “them” that “us” has to fight. Though, in 1990, US Secretary of State James Baker had promised Mikhail Gorbachev that NATO would “not advance one inch to the East,” by 2022, it had pushed Putin’s back to the wall. NATO’s missiles in the Ukraine were as unacceptable to Vladimir Putin in 2022 as Soviet missiles in Cuba were to John Kennedy in 1962. And when the Biden Administration brushed off his concerns, Putin took action.

Even if it defaults, the influence of Kremlin is still there and Russia will continue to be one of the superpower nations, the people will starve but it's not a big deal for Putin as long as he's alive, I'm sure that there's going to be more defaults in the near future, that's how they reset things right?

At this point, I don't think that matters anymore, if US didn't plan to build these bases, we'd probably see Russia invading Ukraine anyway and not to mention that it was a promise between Gorbachev and not with Putin, Putin wanted to claim the lost lands of the Soviet Union but that's impossible because those lands that he's claiming have their own sovereignty so Russia is still in the wrong here.

Even if it defaults, the influence of Kremlin is still there and Russia will continue to be one of the superpower nations, the people will starve but it's not a big deal for Putin as long as he's alive, I'm sure that there's going to be more defaults in the near future, that's how they reset things right?

There is no point in talking about possible ruble default because foreign money does not go into Russian securities or Treasuries. I mean hardly any foreign investors have bought any securities denominated in rubles.  

At this point, I don't think that matters anymore, if US didn't plan to build these bases, we'd probably see Russia invading Ukraine anyway and not to mention that it was a promise between Gorbachev and not with Putin, Putin wanted to claim the lost lands of the Soviet Union but that's impossible because those lands that he's claiming have their own sovereignty so Russia is still in the wrong here.


I believe that you are wrong here. The primary reason for invasion is the fact that the US have been building the army of Ukraine soon after the coup that brought US puppets to power in Ukraine. The US were plannng all along a war between Russia and Ukraine because this war helped them to weaken Russia. This was their strategy from the start. Even Mr Bzezhinsky wrote about this srategy in his books some 20 years ago.
Why didn't Putin invade Ukraine in 2014? Because he did not want to invade but in the long run he had to do it since he was pushed by Biden.
As regards your claim that those lands have their own sovereignty so Russia is still in the wrong here I disagree with you again.
The thing is that the new leadership that came to power in Ukraine after the coup was illegitimate. The new Ukrainian authorites were illegitimately installed by the US administration. There was no country with a name of Ukraine until 1917. This land has been a terrirory of Russia during many preceding centuries. Russia did not object against  sovereignty of Ukraine until the legimate president of Ukraine was overthrown and substituted by a US puppet (Zelensky).
In fact Zelensky is a traitor of Ukrainian people.      

Putin attacked Ukraine because he cannot tolerate a democratic state near his borders. This is a bad example for his authoritarian empire, which relies on force of arms and coercion. In addition, he wants to appropriate the history of Ukraine and turn it into his own history of the Russian Federation. Although Russians are called Russians, they are not the same thing. Russia as a state arose under Tsar Peter the Great at the turn of the 17th-18th centuries, and the state of Kievan Rus, with the center of the capital of present-day Ukraine Kyiv, was one of the most powerful states in Europe back in the 9th century, and present-day Moscow, being then still a small village, belonged to the Kyiv prince Yuri Dolgoruky. Therefore, before the reign of Peter the Great, Russians were called Muscovites, and the state itself was called Muscovy, but not Russians at all, since they had nothing to do with Rus', Kievan Rus. Now Russia is laying claim to the lands of Ukraine, although it is Ukraine that has the right to claim its historical lands, right up to Moscow.

The name "Ukraine" first appeared in the Kyiv Chronicle in 1187. Then it was rarely used, but it began to be used constantly from Cossack times, that is, from the 16th-17th centuries. “Ukraine” is one of the official names of the Cossack state that arose after the uprising of Bohdan Khmelnitsky against Polish power in the mid-17th century (along with other names - the Zaporozhian Army, Hetmanate, Little Russia).
@Ozero wrote about this well in his post dated April 04.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5470489.msg63899296#msg63899296

Therefore, do not repeat Russian propagandists who deliberately distort history to suit Putin’s imperial ambitions and say that before 1917 there was no country called Ukraine. It dates back to at least the ninth century and was then called Kievan Rus. But Russia did not exist for another eight centuries after that.

Regarding the overthrown president of Ukraine, not a single president has been overthrown in Ukraine. If you mean Yanukovych, then I already wrote that he himself fled from Ukraine, fearing reprisals for shooting down a peaceful protest. Subsequently, he was convicted by the courts of Ukraine for high treason and other criminal charges.
After Yanukovych, from February 23 to June 7, 2014, the duties of the president were performed by the Chairman of the National Security and Defense Council of Ukraine Turchynov, then, after the popular elections from June 7, 2014 to May 20, 2019, Poroshenko was the President of Ukraine and from May 20, 2019 to the present, Zelensky. By the way, 73.22% of Ukrainian voters voted for Zelensky in the elections and international observers confirmed the free expression of the will of Ukrainians in the presidential elections. Therefore, Zelensky is a completely legitimate president. If you have facts that Zelensky was appointed president of Ukraine by the United States, provide such facts to us.

Putin attacked Ukraine because he cannot tolerate a democratic state near his borders.

Democracy? Again you are talking aboit demcracy! And then you would also be telling me that in Vietnam, Irak, Libiya,Afganistan the US was bringing democracy to all those countries? The type of democracy  that brought about deaths of millions of people.  


This is a bad example for his authoritarian empire, which relies on force of arms and coercion.

As I have already told you many times before Biden provoked this attack.


In addition, he wants to appropriate the history of Ukraine and turn it into his own history of the Russian Federation. Although Russians are called Russians, they are not the same thing. Russia as a state arose under Tsar Peter the Great at the turn of the 17th-18th centuries, and the state of Kievan Rus, with the center of the capital of present-day Ukraine Kyiv, was one of the most powerful states in Europe back in the 9th century, and present-day Moscow, being then still a small village, belonged to the Kyiv prince Yuri Dolgoruky. Therefore, before the reign of Peter the Great, Russians were called Muscovites, and the state itself was called Muscovy, but not Russians at all, since they had nothing to do with Rus', Kievan Rus. Now Russia is laying claim to the lands of Ukraine, although it is Ukraine that has the right to claim its historical lands, right up to Moscow.

The name "Ukraine" first appeared in the Kyiv Chronicle in 1187. Then it was rarely used, but it began to be used constantly from Cossack times, that is, from the 16th-17th centuries. “Ukraine” is one of the official names of the Cossack state that arose after the uprising of Bohdan Khmelnitsky against Polish power in the mid-17th century (along with other names - the Zaporozhian Army, Hetmanate, Little Russia).
@Ozero wrote about this well in his post dated April 04.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5470489.msg63899296#msg63899296


This is total BS that you are talking about here. The meaning of the word Ukraine means okraina in Russian which can be translated as "at the border" that is at the border of Russia.
Ukraine has bever been a separate country. From times immemorial Kiev Rus and Moscovia has been one and the same country. It is all inhabited by one people.
These are not different peoples because they have been using the Russian language as their main mother tongue.
I have been living in USSR and then in Russia, I know lots of Ukrainian people and my father was a Ukrainian.
What you are trying to do is prove that Ukraine is a separate country and a separate people.
This is total BS. How can it be a separate people when they are using Russian as their mother tongue?
Ukrainian language was invented by communists in the times of USSR.
You should be thankful to Lenin for this.
  

Therefore, do not repeat Russian propagandists who deliberately distort history to suit Putin’s imperial ambitions and say that before 1917 there was no country called Ukraine. It dates back to at least the ninth century and was then called Kievan Rus. But Russia did not exist for another eight centuries after that.


Putin does not have any imperial ambitions. It s just that CIA installed pro American regime in Ukraine in violation of their promise in 1990 that NATO would not move a single inch to the east after USSR disintegrates.

Why did not Putin invade Ukraine in 2014? He could have done it in 2014.
The fact is that he was forced to invade Ukraine because the US insitigated hate toward Russia in Ukraine  as well as because 2 breakaway provinces of Ukraine inhabited by Russian speaking population were regularly and sytematically fired upon by Ukrainian neo nazi.

Why don't you admit the fact that many thousands of Russian speaking people have been killed by artillery fire starting from 2014?    

Regarding the overthrown president of Ukraine, not a single president has been overthrown in Ukraine. If you mean Yanukovych, then I already wrote that he himself fled from Ukraine, fearing reprisals for shooting down a peaceful protest. Subsequently, he was convicted by the courts of Ukraine for high treason and other criminal charges.
After Yanukovych, from February 23 to June 7, 2014, the duties of the president were performed by the Chairman of the National Security and Defense Council of Ukraine Turchynov, then, after the popular elections from June 7, 2014 to May 20, 2019, Poroshenko was the President of Ukraine and from May 20, 2019 to the present, Zelensky. By the way, 73.22% of Ukrainian voters voted for Zelensky in the elections and international observers confirmed the free expression of the will of Ukrainians in the presidential elections. Therefore, Zelensky is a completely legitimate president. If you have facts that Zelensky was appointed president of Ukraine by the United States, provide such facts to us.


Yanukovich fled Ukraine not because of his alleged crimes but because he was afraid for his life. Ukraine has turned into a police state.
Yanukovich did not give orders to shoot at people. Instead he was trying to resolve this conflict by peaceful methods but hadn't succeeded in this because Maidan was orchestrated by CIA.
As regards all the presidents of Ukraine that you refer to tell me why these presidents did not stop massive artillery bombardments of those two breakaway provinces?
The people living in those 2 provinces did not vote for Poroshenko or Zelinsky.
And again I want to reiterate that Zelensky is a traitor because he illegally sold to the US corporations large chunks of Ukrainian land.

All the time in your posts you say that Putin is a dictator and a tyrant. OK. Let us imagine that you are right.
If this is the case can you tell me why Ukraine has been turned into a police state?

Why the police if Ukraine is kidnapping the male population al over Ukraine and forcing them to die in the war?

At least here in Russia nobody is kidnapping us on the streets and forcing us to fight in the war.  

Those who went to the front did it of their own free will because they understand that Ukraine has been converted by CIA into a fascist police state.

if I want to travel abroad I have no problem with that. I just need to buy a ticket and local authorities would not prevent me from doing it but for some strange reason not any single Ukrainian male aged 18 to 60 is allowed to travel abroad.

There is a law forbidding it. How can Ukraine be a democracy when Ukrainian people are not allowed by law to travel outside of the country? What kind of democracy is that?

Well? Can you explain why? Can anyone explain it to me? What kind of democracy is this?

This is exactly the kind of democracy that the US is bringing to the whole world, that kind of democracy that kills and murders large quantities of people who do not want such a democracy    

There is one more thing that I want to say about Argoo.
I can clearly see from his posts that my opponent knows English much better than me and he tells me that he is a Ukrainian who has been living in Ukraine and therefore he knows Ukraine better than me?
This is preposterous. English is his native tongue and he is not a Ukrainian.
No Ukrainian living in Ukraine all his life can have such a good mastery of English. English is his native language, not Ukrainian. Therefore i am not talking with a Ukrainian.   

According to Article 65 of the Constitution of Ukraine, “the defense of the Fatherland, independence and territorial integrity of Ukraine is the responsibility of citizens of Ukraine.” Ukraine as a sovereign state was attacked by a brutal Russian horde that robs, kills and rapes civilians, destroying everything in its path. Therefore, citizens of Ukraine are obliged to defend their state, their family and friends. In order to counter the illegal evasion of military duty by some citizens for the period of military operations and until victory over the Russian occupiers, Ukraine has introduced restrictions on travel abroad for persons of conscription age, that is, from 25 to 60 years.

In Russia, there are now also separate restrictions on leaving the country in relation to some officials, deputies, persons who have unfinished enforcement proceedings and in relation to some other categories.

https://rtvi.com/news/reuters-rossijskim-chinovnikam-i-deputatam-ogranichili-vyezd-za-graniczu/

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&opi=89978449&url=https://www.rbc.ru/finances/07/02/2024/65c0e1af9a7947cc76853d1a&ved=2ahUKEwiMw6mG9_WFAxXrh_0HHXDrBZkQFno ECEMQAQ&usg=AOvVaw2slMq-6QxQgOfFvqgCyn6H

But unlike Ukraine, about 140 million people live in Russia. There are probably less than 35 million citizens in Ukraine already. Every month in Russia 20-30 thousand people are mobilized, who during this time are disposed of on the fronts of Ukraine. Russian human meat also does not want to die for Putin’s imperial ambitions, which is why in Russia over seven thousand former military personnel have already been convicted of desertion.

According to Article 65 of the Constitution of Ukraine, “the defense of the Fatherland, independence and territorial integrity of Ukraine is the responsibility of citizens of Ukraine.” Ukraine as a sovereign state was attacked by a brutal Russian horde that robs, kills and rapes civilians, destroying everything in its path. Therefore, citizens of Ukraine are obliged to defend their state, their family and friends. In order to counter the illegal evasion of military duty by some citizens for the period of military operations and until victory over the Russian occupiers, Ukraine has introduced restrictions on travel abroad for persons of conscription age, that is, from 25 to 60 years.


There is no point in citing constitution of Ukraine because the laws of Ukraine are written by CIA stooges. The fact is that any males in Ukraine aged 18 to 60 are kidnapped out in the streets by the Ukrainian nazi police.
This is no democracy. This is a police state.
There is no such kidnappings of males  out in the streets of Russia. This means that the male population of Ukraine does not want to die in the war. It is the US and it's agents like Zelensky who want for people to die in this war.
The US neocons are very happy about the fact that Russians die at this war on both sides of the war.
They want to solve the Russian question once and for all.
 


In Russia, there are now also separate restrictions on leaving the country in relation to some officials, deputies, persons who have unfinished enforcement proceedings and in relation to some other categories.

https://rtvi.com/news/reuters-rossijskim-chinovnikam-i-deputatam-ogranichili-vyezd-za-graniczu/

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&opi=89978449&url=https://www.rbc.ru/finances/07/02/2024/65c0e1af9a7947cc76853d1a&ved=2ahUKEwiMw6mG9_WFAxXrh_0HHXDrBZkQFno ECEMQAQ&usg=AOvVaw2slMq-6QxQgOfFvqgCyn6H


Yes. That is correct. What this means is that Russia is a democracy and Ukraine is a police state. That's loud and clear.
 
But unlike Ukraine, about 140 million people live in Russia. There are probably less than 35 million citizens in Ukraine already. Every month in Russia 20-30 thousand people are mobilized, who during this time are disposed of on the fronts of Ukraine. Russian human meat also does not want to die for Putin’s imperial ambitions, which is why in Russia over seven thousand former military personnel have already been convicted of desertion.


Again there is no kidnapping of people out in the streets of Russia. The male popuation of Ukraine does not want to die in the war. This means to me that the majority of Ukrainian population does not want to serve in the army and does not accept legitimacy of Zelensky. That's what I have been telling you here all along.
People vote against Zelensky regime wuth their feet. That's pure and clear and you can't disagree with me on this.

And yet you haven't admitted that thousands of Ukraininan Russians in the east provinces of Ukraine have been killed since 2014. You don't want to admit the crimes that were commited by Poroshenko and Zelensky regime under US guidance.

This speaks volumes about who you are and what is your end goal in this forum. You're just a US propagandist, not a Ukrainian citizen living in Ukraine. You have nothing to do with Ukraine and thus have no right to speak about Ukraine as if it were your home country.  

In 2014, a detachment of former Russian FSB employee Girkin entered the Donbass and, with the help of a criminal element, corrupt individuals and others, had the Kremlin’s task of raising a rebellion in the region and first declaring it independent, and then annexing it to Russia. Due to the indecisiveness of the Ukrainian authorities at that time, they began to do this quite successfully. But the separatists began to be pushed towards the Russian border by some units of the Ukrainian Armed Forces and volunteers, armed only with small arms. Russia then introduced eight operational-tactical groups of its armed forces in armored vehicles into this Ukrainian territory and inflicted a significant defeat on the defenders of Ukraine.

  After this, at gunpoint from tanks, then-Ukrainian President Poroshenko concluded the so-called Minsk Agreement with Russia, which established the demarcation line between the separatists and Ukraine. Since then, there has been fighting along this border. For years, Russia did not recognize the presence of its military personnel there, who were first formally dismissed from the Russian army and transferred to the so-called DPR and LPR. Russia fully armed this group and, with the help of its instructors, organized military operations against Ukraine.

Initially, Russia planned to return after some time the self-proclaimed republics - DPR and LPR to Ukraine, but with expanded autonomy - the right to have its own structure of courts and law enforcement agencies, representation in the highest structures of power in Ukraine and with this help prevent Ukraine’s movement into the European Union and NATO. But Ukraine did not agree with this, after which Russia simply began to terrorize it, periodically shelling both Ukrainian territory and the occupied front-line part of the Luhansk and Donetsk regions. At the same time, Putin’s Russia has constantly accused and accuses Ukraine of this.

In 2022, Russia wanted to resolve the issue radically and seize all of Ukraine. We can now see what happened next.

In 2014, a detachment of former Russian FSB employee Girkin entered the Donbass and, with the help of a criminal element, corrupt individuals and others, had the Kremlin’s task of raising a rebellion in the region and first declaring it independent, and then annexing it to Russia. Due to the indecisiveness of the Ukrainian authorities at that time, they began to do this quite successfully. But the separatists began to be pushed towards the Russian border by some units of the Ukrainian Armed Forces and volunteers, armed only with small arms. Russia then introduced eight operational-tactical groups of its armed forces in armored vehicles into this Ukrainian territory and inflicted a significant defeat on the defenders of Ukraine.


By the way this former Russian FSB employee Girkin has been imprisoned by Putin for as they say defamation of the Russian army.  

I have watched numerous videos of Girkin and I must say that he is a real patriot of Russia. His imprisonment is not fair because he’s not an enemy but a friend of Russian people.

Now going back to the information about the actions of Girkin the info that you posted is a lie. I know what happened at that time. Girkin traveled there to assist the rebels of Donbass and Lugansk in their fighting against neo nazies. These nazies have already started killing Russian speaking people all over Ukraine, for instance about 64 Russian Ukrainians have already been burned alive in Odessa by the nazies.

The people in Donetsk and Lugansk did not want to become victims of the nazies and so they decided to secede from Ukraine and disobey the Kiev regime. In reply Poroshenko sent the army to a nearby town and from that time they started firing at Donetsk and Lugansk and thousands of people have been killed there by this shelling.

In fact Putin did not send any arms or reinforcements to Girkin at that time and Girkin had to come back to Russia because he knew that Moscow was planning to kill him there.

After this, at gunpoint from tanks, then-Ukrainian President Poroshenko concluded the so-called Minsk Agreement with Russia, which established the demarcation line between the separatists and Ukraine. Since then, there has been fighting along this border. For years, Russia did not recognize the presence of its military personnel there, who were first formally dismissed from the Russian army and transferred to the so-called DPR and LPR. Russia fully armed this group and, with the help of its instructors, organized military operations against Ukraine.



This is quite correct.

Initially, Russia planned to return after some time the self-proclaimed republics - DPR and LPR to Ukraine, but with expanded autonomy - the right to have its own structure of courts and law enforcement agencies, representation in the highest structures of power in Ukraine and with this help prevent Ukraine’s movement into the European Union and NATO. But Ukraine did not agree with this, after which Russia simply began to terrorize it, periodically shelling both Ukrainian territory and the occupied front-line part of the Luhansk and Donetsk regions. At the same time, Putin’s Russia has constantly accused and accuses Ukraine of this.

What are you smoking? It was not Russia that started terrorizing Ukraine. It was the Ukrainian army that started regular shelling of this territory which led to thousands being killed there by artillery fire and these massive killings of ordinary people was one of the reasons for the ensuing invasion.

By the way Putin is not planning to occupy all the territory of Ukraine because it would be impractical to do it. Such an occupation would require a lot of resources that would quickly bankrupt Russia. .      

You claim that the Ukrainian army has been shelling Donetsk since 2014, that is, for ten years now. During this time, only ruins should remain from Donetsk. When “brotherly Russia” “liberates” the Russian-speaking population in Donbass and other regions of Ukraine, up to 90 percent of residential areas become complete ruins, and out of several tens of thousands of the population, only a few thousand remain. But Donetsk will remain relatively intact. True, there is practically no electricity, water or other utilities, there are mountains of garbage on the streets because it hasn’t been cleaned up for a long time, but in general the houses are standing. But from Avdeevka, where the Ukrainian Armed Forces have been stationed since 2014, Donetsk is very close, only about 12-15 kilometers. So, Russian propaganda has no logic in the shelling of Donetsk by the Armed Forces of Ukraine for ten years, given its current relative integrity. This is all a deliberate lie in order to subsequently justify an act of military aggression.

You write, is the Ukrainian Armed Forces killing the Russian-speaking population of Ukraine? Do you know that in the Armed Forces of Ukraine they still very often speak Russian among themselves? Until Russia undertook to protect the Russian-speaking population of Ukraine, there was no persecution of Russian speakers at all. Yes, after Ukraine gained independence, officials began to be required to know the state language - Ukrainian. And who spoke and how they spoke in everyday life was of no interest to anyone at all. But after Russia allegedly began to protect Russian speakers in Ukraine, the Russians themselves have already killed tens of thousands of Russian speakers.

And now in numbers. According to data from the reports of the Human Rights Commissioner of the Donetsk People's Republic, it is clear that from 2017 to 2021, only 76 civilians died in the DPR. Of these, in 2017 - 278 (of which 32 are civilian, the rest are military DPR), in 2018 - 154 (civilian 19), in 2019 - 160 (civilian 9), in 2020 - 44 (civilian 9), in 2021 - 77 ( civilian 7). For comparison, about 90-100 people per year die in road accidents on the territory of the DPR.

https://sysblok.ru/infographics/byl-li-genocid-statistika-gibeli-zhitelej-donbassa-v-2014-2021-godah/

Just the facts:

The number of people who consider Ukrainian their native language has increased from 57% in 2012 to 76% in 2022.

The most noticeable changes in attitudes towards the language occurred between 2012-2016 due to the events of the Revolution of Dignity, the Russian war against Ukraine in 2014, the temporary occupation of Crimea and certain territories of the Donetsk and Lugansk regions.

The number of Russian-speaking Ukrainians was about 40% in 2012, 26% at the end of 2021 and 18% at the beginning of the war.

Russian speakers are increasingly becoming bilingual. Their number increased from 15 to 32%.
The number of those who constantly use only Ukrainian at home has increased slightly – from 44% to 48%.

The war in Ukraine has influenced attitudes towards the status of the language: today 83% of Ukrainians are in favor of Ukrainian being the only state language in Ukraine. Only 7% of Ukrainians are in favor of granting state status to the Russian language.

About 67% of Ukrainians believe that there are no problems between Ukrainian-speaking and Russian-speaking citizens in Ukraine; 19% believe that the language problem exists, but it is not important. Only 12% believe that the language issue poses a threat to internal security.

https://forbes.ua/ru/news/ponad-70-ukraintsiv-vvazhayut-ridnoyu-movoyu-ukrainsku-25032022-5030

Good job, CIA! I believe CIA operatives have done a very good job. They have achieved artificial division of Russia and Ukraine despite it being one people.

Of course they managed to do it because they found lots of willing assistants (traitors) among the elite of Ukraine. By the way in Russia we also have a lot of traitors among the elite but at this time they are afraid of losing their highly paid jobs  if they let their true feelings to be discovered.

As regards your statement that the number of Ukrainians switching to Ukrainian language this is true mostly for a young generation because all these young people have been bombarded with anti Russian propaganda during at least 20 years, basically all their lives. So they have been brought up with an idea that Russia is their mortal enemy #1. In fact the US should be their mortal enemy #1 but I believe that sooner or later more and more Ukrainians will come to their senses and understand that they are just being used by the US as a cannon fodder because in fact the neocons in the US are very glad and happy that large quantities of Russians and Ukrainians are being slaughtered in the front line.    

Practice shows that if Russia appeals to any neighboring people that these are fraternal peoples and especially that they are a single people, then this means that in fact Russia wants to absorb these people and forcibly Russify them. The fact that this will happen soon follows a change in their rhetoric, that such a people does not exist and, in general, that this is an artificially created state. This already means that in the near future the Russians want to kill you. This was on the eve of the attack on Ukraine, and is now being seen in relation to Kazakhstan and other states neighboring Russia.

Now Putin’s Russia is trying to destroy Ukraine as a state and Ukrainians as a nation. Moreover, he does this in the most brutal and cynical way, every day shelling almost all cities and other populated areas of Ukraine, trying to intimidate and intimidate Ukrainians. This is a favorite technique of Russia, which in fact, to this day, is a prison for various nations and nationalities, forcibly conquered and annexed to it in different periods.

Therefore, it was not the CIA that divided Ukraine and Russia into two hostile camps, Putin’s Russia did this with its phased attack on Ukraine and it does it very well, so that this process happens as quickly as possible. What could be more convincing for young Ukrainians about the true intentions of the Russians than to see how Russia is methodically destroying residential buildings, schools, hospitals, churches throughout Ukraine, trying to leave Ukrainians without housing, water, light and heat, periodically causing environmental and other disasters , and also indiscriminately robs, kills and rapes civilians.

Therefore, I may disappoint you. Having shown its true face with a wolfish grin, for many generations Russia will be the worst enemy for Ukrainians of all ages, which must be feared and avoided. But the United States and European countries will be associated for Ukrainians as those who came to their aid in difficult times.

What you posted above is one more piece of US neocons propaganda full of lies and misinformation. CIA is notorious for it's mastery in lies and misinformation.
The Russian army does not kill Ukrainians. Just have a look at how well Ukrainian captured soldiers are treated and contrast this with how Ukrainian nazies torture and maim any Russian soldiers who have been captured on the front line.
Totaly different behavior.
The problem is that the Western MSM does not provide true reporting of the situation, there is a lot of lies and propaganda that dehumanises Russia and the people of Russia.

Here is the latest article by James Rickards on the Ukainian war. This author does not lie and gives a true account of the events.

Putin Doesn’t Bluff

Portsmouth, New Hampshire

Jim Rickards
JIM
RICKARDS

Dear Ian,

Two weeks ago, the Congress passed (and President Biden signed) four key pieces of legislation related to national security.

Three of the bills provided assistance to Ukraine, Israel and Taiwan. They received the most attention. The one that got the least attention was a mixed bag of provisions, such as a forced divestiture of TikTok.

Included in that bill was something called the REPO Act that authorizes the president to steal any Russian assets, including U.S. Treasury securities, that come under U.S. jurisdiction.

The impact of the REPO Act is limited by the fact that only about $10 billion of Russian sovereign assets are actually under U.S. jurisdiction. Yet the act contemplates that this theft will be a down payment on a much larger theft to be conducted by NATO allies in Europe.

$290 billion of Russian sovereign assets are being held in Europe. The act says that the assets stolen by the U.S. will be contributed to the Common Ukraine Fund.

No doubt, the U.S. will be the most powerful voice in the administration of the $290 billion common fund. The U.S. goal is to use the G7 summit in Apulia, Italy on June 13–15 as a platform for getting the other G7 members to go along with the Common Ukraine Fund and to steal any Russian assets under their jurisdiction.

So these people think that Russia will simply accept this act of theft without retaliating?

“Mirror Imaging”

One of the persistent problems in intelligence analysis is what experts call “mirror imaging.” This is jargon for an analytic flaw in which the analyst assumes that his beliefs and preferences are shared by an adversary. Instead of looking at the adversary as he actually is, the analyst is looking in a mirror while assuming he is looking at the adversary.

This is an extremely dangerous flaw.

You may be rational, but the mullahs who rule Iran are not. You may believe that leaders want economic growth, but Communist Chinese leaders elevate the party over all other considerations including the well-being of their people.

You may assume that Houthi rebels in Yemen want to avoid attacks by the U.S., but they don’t care — they live in caves anyway, so you can’t bomb them into the Stone Age because they’re already there.

Nowhere is this flaw more apparent today than in the U.S. intelligence analysis of Vladimir Putin. In 2008, President Bush said that Ukraine and Georgia should join NATO. A few months later, Putin invaded Georgia, annexed part of its territory and destroyed Georgia’s chances of joining NATO.

Putin Doesn’t Bluff

In 2014, the U.S. backed a coup d’état in Ukraine that deposed a duly elected leader. Three months later, Putin annexed Crimea from Ukraine and made it part of the Russian Federation. In 2021, NATO began formal processes to admit Ukraine as a member.

In February 2022, Russia began a special military operation that’s resulted in 500,000 dead Ukrainian soldiers. Some estimates are even higher. Ukraine’s chances of joining NATO are now zero.

In every case, U.S. analysts did not believe Putin would take the steps he did because they thought it might somehow weaken Putin or Russia. That’s mirror imaging at its worst. The truth is Putin doesn’t bluff. When he says he will do something, he does. When he says he will react to some Western act, the reaction takes place.

Putin said if the West steals Russian assets, Russia will retaliate by seizing billions of dollars of direct foreign investment in Russia owned by major European companies such as Siemens, Total, BP and others.

And sure enough, just days after Biden signed legislation to authorize the theft of Russian assets, a Russian court ordered $440 million be seized from JPMorgan.

The escalation in the asset seizure war has begun. Putin will win in the end. Unfortunately, escalation is also increasing on the geopolitical front. The U.S. and some of its European allies are becoming increasingly desperate about Ukraine’s ability to hold off Russia on the battlefield.

Short on Weapons, Short on Men

The recent $61 billion aid package for Ukraine (about two-thirds of which will go to U.S. defense companies) won’t be nearly enough to reverse the tide. The U.S. and its NATO allies have already given just about all they can afford to give Ukraine without jeopardizing their own security.

The problem isn’t a lack of money but a lack of weapons and ammunition. Before the aid package was approved, critics complained that Ukraine was losing because the U.S. was withholding desperately needed materiel. But that’s not really true.

The Europeans could have simply bought the weapons from the U.S. and delivered them to Ukraine. They didn’t. Why? Because the weapons simply weren’t there. Yes, there will always be a supply of weapons flowing to Ukraine — they’re not going to run out completely.

But Ukraine won’t have nearly enough weapons and ammunition to undertake meaningful offensive operations against the Russians. They’ll just have enough to keep them in the fight, which is the goal of NATO.

Unfortunately for Ukraine, the problems run much deeper than a lack of equipment. They’re also running out of trained manpower. Former commander Valeriy Zaluzhny has suggested Ukraine needs an extra 500,000 troops. But they’re having trouble finding new volunteers. An estimated 650,000 fighting age men have fled Ukraine.

Meanwhile, the Russian army is even larger than it was before the invasion, and Russian industry is churning out weapons and ammunition at astonishing rates.

Will France Cross the (Dnieper) Rubicon?

When you add up Ukraine’s lack of equipment and manpower shortages, you understand why the West is becoming increasingly desperate.

France’s Emmanuel Macron is continuing to say he might send French troops to Ukraine. Just days ago, he reaffirmed that he wouldn't rule out sending troops if Russia broke through Ukrainian front lines and Ukraine requested it.

Well, it’s only a matter of time until Russia breaks through Ukraine’s remaining primary defenses east of the Dnieper River. Of course Ukraine is going to request French troops since Macron himself made the offer.

Would they be sent to western Ukraine in order to free up Ukrainian soldiers stationed there to go to the front?

Or would they send French troops to the front, thinking that Russia wouldn’t fire on them out of fears of starting a war with France? France is a nuclear power. It has a limited nuclear arsenal (mostly consisting of four ballistic missile submarines).

So France might believe it can deter Russia from advancing.

But Russia has already targeted French “mercenaries” in a missile strike some months back (they were likely Ukrainian and Russian members of the French Foreign Legion). And Russia has warned France that it will attack French soldiers if it sends them to Ukraine.

Remember, Putin doesn’t bluff. But it’s not just France suggesting a willingness to send troops to Ukraine.

Countdown to Nuclear War

I’ve been warning about the dangers of escalation since the U.S. committed itself to Ukraine’s defense. Unfortunately, it’s playing out exactly as I predicted.

On 60 Minutes last night, House Democratic Leader Hakeem Jeffries said, "We can't let Ukraine fall because if it does, then there's a significant likelihood that America will have to get into the conflict — not simply with our money, but with our servicewomen and our servicemen."

Ukraine’s going to fall, one way or the other. It might not be this year or even next year, although those are possibilities. But it will happen.

If Jeffries is correct that the U.S. will commit its military to confront Russia directly, then we’re signing ourselves up for a nuclear war because that’s where military confrontation will ultimately lead.

Every major simulated war game between the U.S. and Russia ends up going nuclear in the end.

Are we really prepared for that?

Regards,

Jim Rickards
for The Daily Reckoning

I think that it was not worth copying the entire article of some James Rickards onto almost a whole page on this forum. To do this, it was enough to briefly outline the essence of what you want to draw the attention of forum readers to and make a link to this article.
In the article, the author presents events and facts in a biased manner and fully supports the actions of Putin and Russia to interfere in the internal affairs of other states by force.

Thus, an article by James Rickards says: “In 2008, President Bush said that Ukraine and Georgia should join NATO. A few months later, Putin invaded Georgia, annexed part of its territory and destroyed Georgia’s chances of joining NATO... In 2014 year, the United States supported a coup in Ukraine, which overthrew the legally elected leader. Three months later, Putin annexed Crimea from Ukraine and made it part of the Russian Federation."
Putin is doing everything the way Hitler did on the eve of World War II. Rickards admires, in my opinion, both. As a result of this, Putin will end his life in much the same way as Hitler. The only difference is that Putin does not have the courage to commit suicide and he will probably be helped with this.

In the examples of the actions of Putin’s Russia in relation to Georgia and Ukraine, in which they have the right to independently determine their foreign and domestic policies, here Rickards does not even hide the fact that these were acts of direct military aggression by Russia towards neighboring states. And this is a direct violation of the UN Charter and all kinds of international agreements and obligations of Russia. If Putin and the Russian people believe that they can ignore any international norms and universal human values, then this is already a diagnosis.

As for the possible confiscation of Russia's gold and foreign exchange reserves, which are located outside its borders, in favor of Ukraine, the international community here has already clearly determined that Russia is the aggressor in this war and it is she who is responsible for the negative consequences of this aggression. And for the pleasures of destroying, robbing, killing and raping, you have to pay. Any criminal must pay the victim of the attack, including his property. These are generally accepted rules of behavior in any civilized society. And there is no difference here in that Russia is not a civilized state.

It is very funny to read the following:

Putin is doing everything the way Hitler did on the eve of World War II. Rickards admires, in my opinion, both. As a result of this, Putin will end his life in much the same way as Hitler. The only difference is that Putin does not have the courage to commit suicide and he will probably be helped with this.



and then after liquidating Putin the US would be able to continue plundering Russia of its resources and turning Russia into a third world country and exploiting Russia and its people like you did it in the 90ies.
No more. Yankee, go home.

I am afraid, my dear friend, that in november elections the dems will lose and the war in Ukraine will come to an end. The slaughter between Russians will come to an end and someone in Washington will be displeased by this turn of events. 
 

I think that it was not worth copying the entire article of some James Rickards onto almost a whole page on this forum. To do this, it was enough to briefly outline the essence of what you want to draw the attention of forum readers to and make a link to this article.


I would have done it if I had a link but unfortunately this is a freshly written article and it is still not available in any archive but I guess it would be available as a URL link in a day or two.

Here is an extract from the post in the 5 bullets regarding the Ukrainian conflict copied from here:
https://paradigmpressroom.com/post/todays-issue-is-not-about-politics
It is not long:

Mailbag: War Is No Joke

You made a joke of the war in Ukraine,” a reader writes, “but tens of thousands of Ukrainians are suffering and dying, sometimes touched in ways hard to imagine.

“Please watch this video about one city that was occupied at the beginning of the war and then tell me, or better yet tell them, they are a laughing matter.

“I am a new member of Paradigm but I’m disappointed by this publication.”

Dave responds: We assume you’re writing about last Wednesday’s edition, but… where’s the joke?

Perhaps there’s irony that Kyiv’s bar scene is thriving — but wars have unpredictable ways of altering the flows of money. You’re offended we pointed it out?

No, we find no humor in the fact that Western leaders are content to feed young (and, increasingly, middle-aged and old) Ukrainians into a meat grinder in the name of power politics and “weakening” Russia (the secretary of defense said that)... or Washington fighting the war “to the last Ukrainian” (Republican Sen. Lindsey Graham said that)... or American leaders viewing the war as “a very good bargain” for the United States (a State Department official said that).


and one more extract from the same source copied from here: https://paradigmpressroom.com/post/ukraines-mayday

Ukraine’s Mayday

Albeit, this X-tweet is a bit misleading: The CBS Mornings piece is from July 2023. Nonetheless, according to an article published last week at Wine Enthusiast, Ukraine’s bar scene is still humming.

“On my second night in town in the Ukrainian city of Lviv,” writes freelancer Adam Robb, “I was enjoying happy hour at Siaivo, a two-story Art Deco coffee shop and bar, when an air raid siren sounded from my phone.

“The day before,” he says, “I was encouraged to download Air Alert, an early-warning app developed by the Ukrainian government and voiced by Mark Hamill — yes, Star Wars’ Luke Skywalker — who was now warning me to proceed to the nearest shelter.

“No one [was] going anywhere,” Mr. Robb says. “The bar was actually filling up.”

So as you can see Putin is not so bloodthirsty as you say he is.

Current researchers and historians note that Russian dictator Vladimir Putin acts “according to Hitler’s manual.” There are several undeniable facts in this regard.

   - In 1938, Germany invaded Austria, calling it “reunification.” In 2014, Putin captured Crimea and the dictator’s rhetoric was and remains the same “reunification.” The Russians even came up with a holiday - March 18, the day of the reunification of Crimea with Russia. At the same time, as in Austria, a pseudo-referendum was also held in Crimea, designed to legitimize the annexation.

  - In 1938, the pro-Nazi Sudeten-German Party provoked major unrest in the border areas of Czechoslovakia, turning to the German leadership with a request for help. Taking advantage of the numerical and military advantage, Germany annexed the Sudetenland (as well as part of the territories of the Czech Republic and Moravia), which were 90% populated by Germans. Hitler explained this by protecting the rights of Germans living in the region and speaking German. The situation is absolutely similar to the beginning of the war in Donbass in 2014, where the Russians came to “save” Russian speakers.

  - In his speeches, Hitler questioned the existence of the Czechs as a nation, referring to it as the “so-called Czech nation” and accusing the Treaty of Versailles of creating the “abnormal state of Czechoslovakia.” Russian dictator Putin claims in his speeches that “in fact, Ukraine has never had a tradition of real statehood.” He attributes the creation of a nation that predates the founding of Moscow to "Bolshevik Russia." As a result, Hitler denied statehood to Czechoslovakia, and Putin did the same in relation to Ukraine.

   - Vladimir Putin’s televised address on February 24, 2022 is very reminiscent of Hitler’s radio speech on September 1, 1939. Putin spoke of the “great lie” that he constantly repeated in Hitlerian style, namely that the Ukrainian government had been allegedly torturing and killing the Russian-speaking population in Ukraine for years. At the same time, Hitler justified the attack on Poland on the grounds that the German minority there was deprived of rights and subjected to torture. Both the Fuhrer and the President of the Russian Federation stated that they would not fight against civilians. Both lied.

- In February 2022, Putin tried to repeat the German blitzkrieg. The Russian dictator attacked Ukraine hard and fast, and planned to capture Kyiv within days. True, he did not count on how powerfully the Ukrainian people would fight back.

- In its propaganda, the Kremlin acts according to the methods of the Nazis. Thus, both dictators constantly said that they were supposedly trying to resolve the issue “peacefully.” In Putin’s interview with American journalist Tucker Carlson on February 9, the Russian dictator said that Poland itself was allegedly to blame for the attack on it by Nazi Germany. In 1939, the Poles allegedly “left” Hitler no other choice but to attack them. According to Putin, “the Poles got too carried away and forced Hitler to start World War II.” Putin also noted that the war began with Poland because it “was intractable.” They say that Hitler peacefully asked the Poles to give them the Danzig corridor, which Germany lost after losing the First World War. However, the Poles refused to do this. With such statements, Putin is trying to justify his attack on Ukraine, which also “allegedly turned out to be intractable” and “forced” itself to be attacked. https://www.pravda.com.ua/rus/news/2024/02/9/7441182/

  - During Adolf Hitler's speech to the Third Reich in 1939, he adheres to the line that he does not attack anyone or speak out "against" anyone. He protects Germany from outside attack. Hitler constantly repeats this, supposedly the Jews should attack his country, and he defends its existence. Another of Hitler’s “universal missions” was to protect the planet, and he presented this “mission” as a “positive value.” He wanted to free all of Europe from a bad, “degenerate” government. Putin adheres to a similar line. In his speeches, which directly or indirectly relate to the war in Ukraine, he constantly emphasizes that they want to attack Russia, thus shifting responsibility to the “external enemy,” whom he calls “Nazis.” First, the Ukrainians were “Nazis” and “fascists,” then, according to his logic, they became the Poles, the French and other European peoples who took the side of Ukraine and provide it with support.
https://nv.ua/ukraine/events/propaganda-putina-i-gitlera-sravnenie-podhodov-i-posledstviy-vide

Your comparison of Putin to Hitler is ridiculous to the point of absurdity. Nothing can be further from the truth.
Let's rewind time some 80 years ago and recall which methods were used by Hitler to crush the countries that he was invading. He sent bombers to Moscow and other cities and bombed them till the last bomb. He did not spare any government buildings.

Now let's get back to today and let's see the methods used by Putin. Why wouldm't he give a clear order to fire and bomb the government buildings? Mr Zelensky travels all over the country here and there and for some strange reason not any missile explodes in the vicinity of Mr Zelensky or any other state representative from Europe. The leaders of Europe visit Kiev all the time but for some strange reason nothing endangers their scheduled trips to Kiev.

One of the main goals of Hitler was to assassinate Stalin and other military leaders but Putin does not want to kill Zelensky or any other government official.
 
Don't you find it strange?  Why does not Putin act like Hitler?
Any ideas, anyone?

You know here in Russia patriots of Russia are puzzled by such weird military methods employed by Putin. Doesn't it look like he would like to come to some sort of an agreement with his western partners?
One day the Russian army takes action and fires upon the Ukrainian positions and military installations and then the other day public speakers of Russia try to get across to the West that they don't want this war. Doesn't it look strange to you?

Have you ever heard that Hitler would attack one day and then hold negotiations the other day?

Putin's actions clearly show that he does not want this war and all he wants is Ukraine to be demilitarized and denazified.

By the way did Putin kill any Ukrainian people in Crimea when Crimea was annexed? As far as I know all people in Crimea were very eager for Russia to annex Crimea as soon as possible and protect them from bloodthirsty nazies in Ukraine.

What have you been smoking lately or have you got too many covid shots?

Can you imagine a situation whereby Hitler would sell oil and gas to his enemies and would send gas through a pipleline that goes across the country being invaded? What is is this? Is this Hitler?
If Putin is Hitler then you are Joseph Goebbels.  ;D
Do you understand why I compare you with Joseph Goebbels?
Because he was a very talented propagandist who said that if you repeat a lie 1000 times then everyone would start believing it. That's exactly what you are doing here in this forum.

Here is the latest news that I have just watched:

1. Many female bloggers in Ukraine are switching from Ukrainian mova over to Russian language. That's wonderful!
2. Many intelligent operatives in the West are starting to openly ask the following question: could it be that Mr.  Zelensky in fact is an agent of Putin? What do  you think about it?
3. One of my favourite action actors has always been Steven Seagal. it turns out that Mr. Seagall received a Russian passport from Putin, he openly supports Russia and Putin. European Union is planning to impose sanctions on Steven Seagal for hir pro Russian position. Aren't they afraid of the secret combat techniques that this gentelman has mastered?  I would be afraid of his secret technique of poisoned touch if I were in their shoes.  :D 

From the first days of Russia's full-scale military invasion of Ukraine, Russia attacked Kyiv with both planes and missiles. But after seven Russian planes were shot down in 11 minutes of battle over the skies of Kyiv, the air attacks stopped.
https://www.unian.net/war/zenitchik-rasskazal-kak-v-nachale-voyny-oboronyali-nebo-nad-kievom-novosti-kieva-11928549.html

  But the Russians continue to attack Ukraine and its capital, Kyiv, with missiles and drones almost every day. Thus, on the night of May 8, the Russian invaders launched a new missile attack on the peaceful cities of Ukraine and Kyiv in particular. During the attack, Daggers, Iskanders and Calibers were used, four of which were fired from a submarine. In total, the Russians used 76 air attack weapons. Among them were 55 missiles and 21 attack drones. The air force managed to destroy most of the air targets launched by the enemy, namely:
  - 33 X-101/X-555 cruise missiles;
  - 4 cruise missiles "Caliber";
  - 2 guided aircraft missiles X-59/X-69;
  - 20 attack UAVs of the "Shahed-131/136" type.
All air targets over Kyiv were shot down. There, Russia has not yet been able to “pierce” the air defense of Ukraine. But Kharkov and Odessa are now suffering greatly from Russian missile attacks.
https://24tv.ua/ru/massirovannaja-ataka-8-maja-2024-goda-udary-po-jenergostrukture-novosti-ukrainy-24-kanal_n2550845

  Russia has already made more than ten failed attempts on the life of President of Ukraine Zelensky. As for senior officials of other states, for example, on March 6, a Russian missile struck 300-400 meters from President Vladimir Zelensky and the Prime Minister of Greece, who were then in the seaport of Odessa. Some regarded this precisely as an attempt on the life of the President of Ukraine... https://fakty.com.ua/ru/ukraine/20240308-skilky-raziv-rosiya-chynyla-zamah-na-zelenskogo-prezydent-vidpoviv/

Just yesterday, on May 8, counterintelligence and the SBU revealed another preparation for an assassination attempt on the President of Ukraine Vladimir Zelensky, as well as the head of the Main Intelligence Directorate Kirill Budanov and the head of the SBU Vasily Malyuk, which was prepared by FSB agents. The operation, which was led from Russia, was carried out, in particular, by two colonels of the State Security Administration of Ukraine, who were detained. The enemy’s plans included the liquidation of Vladimir Zelensky, so FSB agents were looking for military personnel in the president’s inner circle who would take the president hostage and then kill him. Before that, the executor had to monitor the movement of the person under guard and transmit data to the Russians. The enemy planned to launch a missile strike at the house in which he would be located, then attack with drones those who would remain alive, and then hit with a missile again to hide the information that drones were used at the crime scene. According to the head of the SBU Vasily Malyuk, in this way the FSB wanted to make a “gift” to the Kremlin dictator for his inauguration. But everything turned out to be a spectacular failure for the Russian special services.
https://24tv.ua/ru/fsb-gotovila-pokushenie-na-zelenskogo-kak-sbu-udalos-ego-predupredit-24-kanal_n2550945

From the first days of Russia's full-scale military invasion of Ukraine, Russia attacked Kyiv with both planes and missiles. But after seven Russian planes were shot down in 11 minutes of battle over the skies of Kyiv, the air attacks stopped.
https://www.unian.net/war/zenitchik-rasskazal-kak-v-nachale-voyny-oboronyali-nebo-nad-kievom-novosti-kieva-11928549.html


Yeah, but why did they stop? The reason?

 But the Russians continue to attack Ukraine and its capital, Kyiv, with missiles and drones almost every day. Thus, on the night of May 8, the Russian invaders launched a new missile attack on the peaceful cities of Ukraine and Kyiv in particular. During the attack, Daggers, Iskanders and Calibers were used, four of which were fired from a submarine. In total, the Russians used 76 air attack weapons. Among them were 55 missiles and 21 attack drones. The air force managed to destroy most of the air targets launched by the enemy, namely:
  - 33 X-101/X-555 cruise missiles;
  - 4 cruise missiles "Caliber";
  - 2 guided aircraft missiles X-59/X-69;
  - 20 attack UAVs of the "Shahed-131/136" type.
All air targets over Kyiv were shot down. There, Russia has not yet been able to “pierce” the air defense of Ukraine. But Kharkov and Odessa are now suffering greatly from Russian missile attacks.
https://24tv.ua/ru/massirovannaja-ataka-8-maja-2024-goda-udary-po-jenergostrukture-novosti-ukrainy-24-kanal_n2550845


Well, I believe all these attacks are a retaliation against the attacks of Kiev against human targets in Donetsk and Lugansk that have been carried out during the last 10 years.

Also it is very important to note that the Russian army tries to strike only the military and infra structure targets but tries to avoid human casualties as much as possible. President Putin made it clear on many occasions that the lives of ordinary Ukrainian people must be saved.


 Russia has already made more than ten failed attempts on the life of President of Ukraine Zelensky. As for senior officials of other states, for example, on March 6, a Russian missile struck 300-400 meters from President Vladimir Zelensky and the Prime Minister of Greece, who were then in the seaport of Odessa. Some regarded this precisely as an attempt on the life of the President of Ukraine... https://fakty.com.ua/ru/ukraine/20240308-skilky-raziv-rosiya-chynyla-zamah-na-zelenskogo-prezydent-vidpoviv/


Yeah, I read about the incident but the fact that the Russian missile struck 300-400 meters from President Zelensky tells me  that this was a warning only and not an attempt to kill him.
Don't you think so?  

Just yesterday, on May 8, counterintelligence and the SBU revealed another preparation for an assassination attempt on the President of Ukraine Vladimir Zelensky, as well as the head of the Main Intelligence Directorate Kirill Budanov and the head of the SBU Vasily Malyuk, which was prepared by FSB agents. The operation, which was led from Russia, was carried out, in particular, by two colonels of the State Security Administration of Ukraine, who were detained. The enemy’s plans included the liquidation of Vladimir Zelensky, so FSB agents were looking for military personnel in the president’s inner circle who would take the president hostage and then kill him. Before that, the executor had to monitor the movement of the person under guard and transmit data to the Russians. The enemy planned to launch a missile strike at the house in which he would be located, then attack with drones those who would remain alive, and then hit with a missile again to hide the information that drones were used at the crime scene. According to the head of the SBU Vasily Malyuk, in this way the FSB wanted to make a “gift” to the Kremlin dictator for his inauguration. But everything turned out to be a spectacular failure for the Russian special services.
https://24tv.ua/ru/fsb-gotovila-pokushenie-na-zelenskogo-kak-sbu-udalos-ego-predupredit-24-kanal_n2550945


Well, I believe that many people surrounding Zelinsky understand what's really going on in Ukraine. So they are acting in an attempt to stop this war that kills people of Russia and Ukraine.  

You can think as you like, but the fact remains: Russia fires at the territory of Ukraine every day with all possible types of weapons. According to the Armed Forces of Ukraine, 97 percent of such attacks occur on civilian targets. Putin lied before about Ukraine, he is lying now and will continue to lie. Near the frontline zone, Russian troops directly fire conventional cannon artillery at populated areas, destroying the homes of ordinary people every day. Every day, according to morning reports in Ukraine, information is received about the shelling of approximately 120 settlements in the front-line zone with shells and mines. Every day they show the consequences of such shelling, the number of civilians killed and wounded. All this is carefully recorded, including by international experts, and will be presented as evidence at an international special tribunal where Russia will be tried for the genocide of the Ukrainian people. And the Russian citizens are either being fooled, or they just want to hear it themselves. Because even logically, if Russian troops fire about ten thousand shells a day and launch cruise missiles across Ukraine almost every day, then civilians will die from this every day. Some Russians do not want to notice this, others even call for the destruction of more Ukrainian civilians.

But karma will definitely overtake Russia for this. Higher powers are already warning Russians about floods, fires, or other natural disasters. Can you remember that on May 9 there was frost and snow in Moscow? And this is just the beginning. You can’t just attack and kill people en masse, whom you also call one people. The sooner Russia wakes up from Putin's dope, the less punishment it will receive. For the war to end and this senseless massacre to stop, Russia only needs to withdraw its troops from Ukrainian territory. In Ukraine, sooner or later, every Russian soldier will find only his own death.

You can think as you like, but the fact remains: Russia fires at the territory of Ukraine every day with all possible types of weapons. According to the Armed Forces of Ukraine, 97 percent of such attacks occur on civilian targets. Putin lied before about Ukraine, he is lying now and will continue to lie. Near the frontline zone, Russian troops directly fire conventional cannon artillery at populated areas, destroying the homes of ordinary people every day. Every day, according to morning reports in Ukraine, information is received about the shelling of approximately 120 settlements in the front-line zone with shells and mines. Every day they show the consequences of such shelling, the number of civilians killed and wounded. All this is carefully recorded, including by international experts, and will be presented as evidence at an international special tribunal where Russia will be tried for the genocide of the Ukrainian people.


I believe that this is a blatant lie. Putin does not fire at the homes of ordinary people.

And the Russian citizens are either being fooled, or they just want to hear it themselves. Because even logically, if Russian troops fire about ten thousand shells a day and launch cruise missiles across Ukraine almost every day, then civilians will die from this every day. Some Russians do not want to notice this, others even call for the destruction of more Ukrainian civilians.


Of course some Ukrainians will die from the missiles but this is the cost of a war, collateral damage.
 

But karma will definitely overtake Russia for this. Higher powers are already warning Russians about floods, fires, or other natural disasters. Can you remember that on May 9 there was frost and snow in Moscow? And this is just the beginning. You can’t just attack and kill people en masse, whom you also call one people. The sooner Russia wakes up from Putin's dope, the less punishment it will receive. For the war to end and this senseless massacre to stop, Russia only needs to withdraw its troops from Ukrainian territory. In Ukraine, sooner or later, every Russian soldier will find only his own death.


The sooner the US stops meddling in Ukraine and the sooner the fascist nazies in Ukraine lose their power the sooner peace would come to Ukraine. Many Ukrainians understand that they are guilty in this war by their inactivity and indifference when Maidan took place in Ukraine. If the Ukrainian people would not have let the Maidan happen in Ukraine then all these atrocities would not happen there now.

I believe that sooner or later karma will overtake the US and we will see civil war in the US soon.

Here is a link to a good article on the Ukrainian conflict written by Doug Casey:

Doug Casey on the Likelihood of Nuclear War With Russia

https://internationalman.com/articles/doug-casey-on-the-likelihood-of-nuclear-war-with-russia/?utm_source=ActiveCampaign&utm_medium=email&utm_content=Welcome%20to%20the%20Warfare%20State&utm_campaign=05%2F08%2F2024-%20Non-DDCI%20Buyers-%20Welcome%20to%20the%20Warfare%20State&vgo_ee=Maqn2JCUEt2zhrlb8oTloWsS8AnBZcCn07gdn6BZNA%3D%3D%3AwRJMJyiumCDKTQBN5kvVgb%2Fq818CHl4Q

Here are a few excellent snippets from that article:

As far as Russia annexing Crimea and the regions of the Ukraine in question, it seems to me—from a historical point of view—that would be par for the course. Remember that borders have been flowing and ethnic groups moving for a thousand years in that part of the world. In any event, it makes no sense to take sides in disputes between nation-states. In this case, it amounts to the US sticking its nose into a border war between two shit-hole countries.

That said, being as objective as possible, I’d say that the Russians have a certain amount of right on their side. They’ve been mightily provoked since the Maidan Revolution of 2014 and the attack by the Ukrainian Army on the Donbas. It’s too bad that this is spinning out of control—largely because of US intervention. In a rational world, it would basically be worth a couple of columns on the sixth page of the New York Times and then forgotten.

Vladimir Putin recently gave a speech in which he said:

“The West is ready to cross every line to preserve the neo-colonial system which allows it to live off the world, to plunder it thanks to the domination of the dollar and technology, to collect an actual tribute from humanity, to extract its primary source of unearned prosperity, the rent paid to the hegemon. The preservation of this annuity is their main, real and absolutely self-serving motivation. This is why total de-sovereignization is in their interest. This explains their aggression towards independent states, traditional values and authentic cultures, their attempts to undermine international and integration processes, new global currencies and technological development centers they cannot control. It is critically important for them to force all countries to surrender their sovereignty to the United States.”

Doug Casey: I’ve listened to a number of Putin’s speeches.

It’s fashionable to make him out as being not only the devil incarnate but irrational and somebody that wants to conquer Europe and perhaps destroy the world in the process. But in fact, compared to all of the other European leaders, he’s the most cool-headed, the most thoughtful, and the one with the most perspective.

He is absolutely right when he says that the West is acting as a hegemon. In particular, the US has been exporting dollars for decades—which have allowed it to live way above its means—and control the world by controlling the world’s monetary system. With the dollar accepted as the international reserve currency, backed up by institutions like the World Bank and the IMF, and a giant military with bases in over 100 countries, the US can basically call the shots for other cultures and countries.

Unlike Ukraine, Russia does not allow international organizations access to either prisoners of war or Ukrainian citizens in the occupied territory. This means that Russia has something to hide, and this is a fact. A good appeal to prisoners of war can be made in a staged video, although in reality the situation there is different. The Ukrainian side, using drones, has already recorded many times the execution of Ukrainian prisoners of war immediately after they were captured. Such videos are also released online by the Russian military itself. This was also confirmed by relevant international organizations. Similar videos with executions of prisoners of war can also be deliberately released on the Internet so that the Ukrainian side also shoots Russian prisoners of war and thus encourages them not to surrender.

An acquaintance showed his video from the front line, where body parts of both his soldiers and Russians lay, and said that on this section of the front neither they nor the other side were taking anyone prisoner. The war is quite tough and there they have practically come to terms with the idea that they will not return home alive. Russia made a catastrophic mistake in that once again, as after the 1917 revolution, it set out to conquer Ukraine as an independent state. Then the Bolsheviks managed to do it. But now the situation is different. There is the Internet, there are social networks, and true information instantly spreads throughout the world. Therefore, Ukraine has enormous international support as a victim of aggression.

An acquaintance showed his video from the front line, where body parts of both his soldiers and Russians lay, and said that on this section of the front neither they nor the other side were taking anyone prisoner. The war is quite tough and there they have practically come to terms with the idea that they will not return home alive. Russia made a catastrophic mistake in that once again, as after the 1917 revolution, it set out to conquer Ukraine as an independent state. Then the Bolsheviks managed to do it. But now the situation is different. There is the Internet, there are social networks, and true information instantly spreads throughout the world. Therefore, Ukraine has enormous international support as a victim of aggression.


It seems to me more and more that all of my writings and explanations are falling on deaf ears. One has to be very dumbed down to believe the western propaganda that Ukraine is a victim of Russia's agression,
But this does not surpise me at all because there are millions and millions of dumbed down people in the West.
But I believe that soon these people will see the light and realize that they have been duped bythe Biden administration. Now the US rapidly is being divided into 2 parts hating each other

As regards killings and torturings of Ukrainian prisoners of war by Russian soldiers this might be true in some isolated incidents because this is war and not a walk in the park.But on the whole Russia treats Ukrainians very well. Generally people of Slavic nationalities are quite peaceful and not cruel.

You know how cruel could be people of Asian origin in a war. Just recall the massacre of Chinese women by Japanese soldiers in China or in Korea during WW2. Neither Ukrainians nor Russians are capable of such cruelty.   .
 

Do you want to convince us that it was Ukraine that attacked Russia, and therefore, in reality, in this brutal war, Russia is actually the victim?
Well then, give the facts of how Ukraine attacked Russia before Russia, with the help of its Sevastopol military base of the Black Sea Fleet, captured the Ukrainian Crimean peninsula within a few days with virtually no resistance from Ukraine in 2014, since hostilities began from here and then spread to the east Ukraine. Moreover, any previous grievances, unresolved issues and conflicts, and so on, do not matter here. The aggressor or victim of aggression is determined only by the fact of the one who invaded the territory of another sovereign state with his troops, since all issues must be resolved in a civilized, political or diplomatic way.

Do you want to convince us that it was Ukraine that attacked Russia, and therefore, in reality, in this brutal war, Russia is actually the victim?
Well then, give the facts of how Ukraine attacked Russia before Russia, with the help of its Sevastopol military base of the Black Sea Fleet, captured the Ukrainian Crimean peninsula within a few days with virtually no resistance from Ukraine in 2014, since hostilities began from here and then spread to the east Ukraine. Moreover, any previous grievances, unresolved issues and conflicts, and so on, do not matter here. The aggressor or victim of aggression is determined only by the fact of the one who invaded the territory of another sovereign state with his troops, since all issues must be resolved in a civilized, political or diplomatic way.


Do I have to retell you again for 101st time about how the Ukrainian army has been firing at Donetsk and Lugansk since 2014 and and how this a this artillery fire killed many thousands of innocent civilians in those two rebel provinces? Do you know how the people living in those 2 provinces were called by Ukrainian nazies? They were called Colorado bugs. Thus the people living there were dehumanised.
In 2014 a team of fascist neo nazies arrived to Odessa where they burned alive about 64 Russian speaking citizens of Odessa  who publicly spoke out against Maidan.

The people living in Crimea did not want to be terrorised like these people  in Odessa that had been brutally murdered.
And Putin saved their lives by annexing the territory of Crimea to Russia
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Everyone here knows that Crimea has alway been a territory of Russia and it was moved to Ukraine by Khrushov who wanted just to simplify bureaucratic procedures by this edict. One may say that Crimea never belonged to Ukraine.

To expose your lies, it is enough to go through the chronology of the development of events. The first in this chain of military events was the escape on February 22, 2014 of the then President of Ukraine Yanukovych on three military Russian helicopters to Crimea, where, under a lease agreement, there was a Russian military base of the Russian Black Sea Fleet.

  On the morning of February 23, Putin announced his decision to annex the Ukrainian peninsula. Already by that time, in the cities of the Autonomous Republic of Crimea, the so-called “little green men” were noticed - professional Russian military personnel without identification marks, preparing a springboard for the seizure of sovereign Ukrainian territory.

On February 27, armed people without identification marks seized the Supreme Council of Crimea and the Council of Ministers of Crimea, hanging Russian flags on them. In a building seized by armed people, local deputies scheduled a referendum “on the status of Crimea” for May 25.

On the night of February 27, the seizure of the Belbek airport in Sevastopol began - about 400 Russian troops occupied it, blocking the entrances to the territory with barbed wire. Russian planes land at the airport, and the movement of Russian equipment is recorded.

On March 1, the leader of the Russian Unity party, Sergei Aksenov, appointed by local deputies as the new prime minister of the Autonomous Republic of Crimea, called on Putin to send Russian regular troops to Crimea - by the evening the Kremlin had made a corresponding decision. The Russian military (usually without identification marks) begins an active seizure of Ukrainian military units and infrastructure facilities on the peninsula.

The next day, March 2, the Parliamentary Assembly of the Organization for Security and Cooperation in Europe (OSCE) condemned the military aggression of the Russian Federation and called for an end to the annexation of sovereign Ukrainian territory.

On March 16, at gunpoint from the Russian military, an illegal “referendum” was held in Crimea, the ballots of which contained two questions:
• “Are you for the reunification of Crimea with Russia as a subject of the Russian Federation?”
• “Are you for restoring the 1992 Constitution of the Republic of Crimea and for the status of Crimea as a part of Ukraine?”
At the same time, the “ballot” assumed the answer to only one of these questions and only “yes” - by checking the appropriate box next to the question. Any mark was interpreted as a “yes” answer, while two marks invalidated the ballot. Thus, citizens could vote either “yes” or their answer would be invalidated. https://nv.ua/ukraine/politics/okkupaciya-kryma-kak-rf-provela-feykovyy-referendum-hronika-novosti-ukrainy-50010647.html

As of 2021, no state has issued official legal acts recognizing Crimea as part of Russia, although official representatives of several states (Afghanistan, Belarus, Bolivia, Syria, Sudan, North Korea) spoke out in support of the Russian position.

  Thus, Russia’s military aggression, as a result of which the Ukrainian Crimean peninsula was seized by force, occurred in February-March 2014. The date of the start of hostilities on the territory of the Donetsk and Luhansk regions of Ukraine is considered to be April 12, 2014, when several dozen people, some of whom had Russian citizenship and had previously participated in the annexation of Crimea, under the command of a former Russian FSB employee Girkin, seized administrative buildings in Slavyansk, Donetsk region . But this is a completely different stage of Russian military aggression. https://ru.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%A5%D1%80%D0%BE%D0%BD%D0%BE%D0%BB%D0%BE%D0%B3%D0%B8 %D1%8F_%D0%B2%D0%BE%D0%B9%D0%BD%D1%8B_%D0%B2_%D0%94%D0%BE%D0%BD%D0%B1%D0%B0%D1 %81%D1%81%D0%B5

So who began to seize foreign territory by military means, and is thus the aggressor? Undoubtedly, Putin's Russia.

To expose your lies, it is enough to go through the chronology of the development of events. The first in this chain of military events was the escape on February 22, 2014 of the then President of Ukraine Yanukovych on three military Russian helicopters to Crimea, where, under a lease agreement, there was a Russian military base of the Russian Black Sea Fleet.

  On the morning of February 23, Putin announced his decision to annex the Ukrainian peninsula. Already by that time, in the cities of the Autonomous Republic of Crimea, the so-called “little green men” were noticed - professional Russian military personnel without identification marks, preparing a springboard for the seizure of sovereign Ukrainian territory.

On February 27, armed people without identification marks seized the Supreme Council of Crimea and the Council of Ministers of Crimea, hanging Russian flags on them. In a building seized by armed people, local deputies scheduled a referendum “on the status of Crimea” for May 25.

On the night of February 27, the seizure of the Belbek airport in Sevastopol began - about 400 Russian troops occupied it, blocking the entrances to the territory with barbed wire. Russian planes land at the airport, and the movement of Russian equipment is recorded.

On March 1, the leader of the Russian Unity party, Sergei Aksenov, appointed by local deputies as the new prime minister of the Autonomous Republic of Crimea, called on Putin to send Russian regular troops to Crimea - by the evening the Kremlin had made a corresponding decision. The Russian military (usually without identification marks) begins an active seizure of Ukrainian military units and infrastructure facilities on the peninsula.

The next day, March 2, the Parliamentary Assembly of the Organization for Security and Cooperation in Europe (OSCE) condemned the military aggression of the Russian Federation and called for an end to the annexation of sovereign Ukrainian territory.



What it is that I lie about? How exactly do I lie?
Do you want to say that Russian speaking Ukrainians were not burned alive in Odessa in 2014?
Do you want to say that there was no artillery bombardment of 2 rebel provinces?



On March 16, at gunpoint from the Russian military, an illegal “referendum” was held in Crimea, the ballots of which contained two questions:
• “Are you for the reunification of Crimea with Russia as a subject of the Russian Federation?”
• “Are you for restoring the 1992 Constitution of the Republic of Crimea and for the status of Crimea as a part of Ukraine?”
At the same time, the “ballot” assumed the answer to only one of these questions and only “yes” - by checking the appropriate box next to the question. Any mark was interpreted as a “yes” answer, while two marks invalidated the ballot. Thus, citizens could vote either “yes” or their answer would be invalidated. https://nv.ua/ukraine/politics/okkupaciya-kryma-kak-rf-provela-feykovyy-referendum-hronika-novosti-ukrainy-50010647.html


I don't believe Ukrainian press. They can't be trusted because following Maidan CIA took the country and dictated who should say what.  


As of 2021, no state has issued official legal acts recognizing Crimea as part of Russia, although official representatives of several states (Afghanistan, Belarus, Bolivia, Syria, Sudan, North Korea) spoke out in support of the Russian position.


I am not interested in hearing opinion of any state on the issue of Crimea. The fact is that Crimea has always been a territory of Russia since 17th century.
The only argument that Ukraine uses is that Krushov gave Crimea to Ukraine in order to simplify bureaucratic procedures.
Krushov could not forsee in 1954 that USSR would disintegrate in 1991 and Crimea would become a territory of Ukraine which would become a separate country under US control that would have Ukraine join NATO, which is a mortal enemy of Russia.
It's just that Krushov made a colossal mistake in 1954 by this edict and the US is using this as a pretext to declare that Putin is Hitler.
The US promised to Gorbachov in 1990 that NATO would not move to the East. That promise was broken.
I believe that in view of this fact Putin did a right thing by annexing Crimea.
I think that Crimea could be returned back to Ukraine in case NATO withdraws from all those Eastern European countries. This seems pretty fair to me.
NATO broke their promise and this was admitted by them. Why doesn't NATO rectify their crime and then Crimea could be returned to Ukraine? How about that?
  

Thus, Russia’s military aggression, as a result of which the Ukrainian Crimean peninsula was seized by force, occurred in February-March 2014. The date of the start of hostilities on the territory of the Donetsk and Luhansk regions of Ukraine is considered to be April 12, 2014, when several dozen people, some of whom had Russian citizenship and had previously participated in the annexation of Crimea, under the command of a former Russian FSB employee Girkin, seized administrative buildings in Slavyansk, Donetsk region . But this is a completely different stage of Russian military aggression. https://ru.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%A5%D1%80%D0%BE%D0%BD%D0%BE%D0%BB%D0%BE%D0%B3%D0%B8 %D1%8F_%D0%B2%D0%BE%D0%B9%D0%BD%D1%8B_%D0%B2_%D0%94%D0%BE%D0%BD%D0%B1%D0%B0%D1 %81%D1%81%D0%B5

So who began to seize foreign territory by military means, and is thus the aggressor? Undoubtedly, Putin's Russia.


The chronological order that you refer to does not matter. Why are you talking about it?
Besides I can add that Maidan took place in the end of 2013. As soon as Maidan took place it was clear as a day that this was a coup carried out by CIA. That's why 2 breakaway provinces decided to break away from Ukraine and that's why Crimea was annexed by Russia.
Maidan in Ukraine was a crime commited by the US. Therefore it must be brought to justice and annexation of Crimea was a sort of justice served.
 

By the way I vividly remember the day when I first read about the MH-17 Malaisian plane shot down over Donetsk region. Girkin (or Strelkov, that's his second last name) has nothing to do with that incident.
It was clear to me as a day that this was a job done by CIA. Most likely the plane was downed by Ukrainian military and then it was declared to the whole world that the crime was done by Russian military.
This was a provocation carried out by CIA. CIA are experts in this kind of thing.

I have found a very interesting copy of a letter sent to Russia from the Ukrainian side of the front by some of those Ukrainians who are sympathetic to Russia and want this war to stop once and for all. These are the real patriots of Ukraine.

Information taken from here: https://m-kalashnikov.livejournal.com/4558295.html

The streets in Ukraine  are now practically deserted. I don’t see any men over 16-18 years old or under 60-65 on the streets. Everyone lays low. The situation on the public transport is similar: there are no men on the trams passing by.

We are already mentally prepared for the Russians to come to Slavyansk. Few of them plan to leave the city. They did not directly state this (the consequences of this are known), but the hints are quite transparent.

The Armed Forces of Ukraine have recruited personnel with pre-war training and highly motivated ones. It is also significant that in a number of places the defense is “collapsing” - which means that there are no longer barrage detachments (anti retreat detachments) there.

There is information circulating that military authorities wanted to attract foreign fighters to the barrage detachments, but they quickly exposed this plan and refused to participate.

The decline in the morale of the Armed Forces of Ukraine was strongly influenced by the fact that more and more people caught by force on the streets are being thrown to the front, and by the fact that the soldiers are actually denied demobilization and rotation, not to mention the amount of “combat” payments. Perhaps a further worsening of the gap between the army and the authorities in Kyiv will result in the surrender of positions, the flight of units of the Armed Forces of Ukraine from occupied defense areas, and massive surrenders to the Russian army..."

***

“Along with ordinary draft dodgers (hiding at home), we see the new phenomenon such as soldiers leaving the location of a military unit without authorization.

There are currently between 100 and 120 thousands of this type of  episodes. It is also known that a number of programs for training Ukrainian personnel for the Armed Forces of Ukraine abroad are now being phased out, and their training is now being planned to take place directly on the ground in Ukraine. The reason for this is that personnel sent for training abroad leave location of the training centers abroad, cut off all communications, and thus they try to escape to other countries. This happens often..."

So much for a desire of Ukrainian soldiers to fight and die for NATO.

“...Against the backdrop of increasing doubts about the legitimacy of the overdue term of President Zelinsky and the emerging delinquency of the Supreme Council, there are deep doubts that the end of spring, summer and the first half of autumn of this year would not bring about major upheavals in the country. And in this case, it would be extremely logical on the part of the Russian Federation, after president Zelensky powers come to an end, to organize an emigrant government of Ukraine, with a purpose to conclude a number of agreements with it on the future fate of the country (including territorial reorganization), up to occupation of, say, Sumy or Chernigov regions with taking them under  control by this government.

With creation of detachments of Ukrainian soldiers who voluntarily came over to our side under Russian leadership (like Polish Army did during the WW2), etc. Not to mention intensification of a work to paralyze and disintegrate the enemy’s rear through a deep combined air and ground offensive operation, and propaganda campaigns to undermine the rear and front line...

But really smart Russians who have the will, intelligence, and are able to act decisively, without regard to “dear Western partners,” are capable of this. If they took advantage of this now, by mid-late summer the war could finally end...”
So as you can see more and more Ukrainian soldiers do not want to fight and die in this war on the side of NATO because they know that US neocons with Biden at the top are their mortal enemy who want to lead this war up to the last Ukrainian or Russian soldier.


The US and NATO will not prevail in this conflict, you will lose badly and this is inevitable. You should remember your history. Any invasions of Russia were not successful in the past. Napoleon was defeated, Hitler was defeated and NATO will be defeated this time as well.

The chronological order of events is of paramount importance because it clearly indicates what happened in Ukraine and who attacked whom and who is defending himself. As soon as Putin and Yanukovych did not succeed in refusing European integration, which the Ukrainian people insisted on, Putin immediately sent troops into the Ukrainian peninsula of Crimea, and then into the Donetsk and Lugansk regions. Ukraine has the right to defend itself against a military attack by another state. And if the Russians began to fire at Ukraine from the territory of the Donetsk and Lugansk regions, then the response would come to where they were shooting from. This is ordinary arithmetic and the logic of war.

During the Second World War, no one accused the USSR of firing into Nazi-occupied territory, which inevitably killed the civilian population. Only Russian propagandists are now focusing on this and deliberately increasing the deaths of the civilian population of Donbass by hundreds and thousands of times in order to justify their aggression and the illegal conquest of the territory of a neighboring state. I would also like to draw your attention to the fact that, according to international law, the aggressor is responsible for the safety of the civilian population of the occupied territories. There were no deaths at all until the boot of a Russian soldier set foot on the territory of Ukraine. It is Russian troops who are bringing to Ukraine the almost complete destruction of cities and villages in Ukraine and the mass death of the civilian population.

Actually, you yourself confirm the fact of a military attack on Ukraine by Russia, talking about some kind of punishment of Ukrainians by Putin and Russia by military means. And it’s generally stupid to refute this, since military operations by the Russians are still ongoing on the territory of Ukraine.

The chronological order of events is of paramount importance because it clearly indicates what happened in Ukraine and who attacked whom and who is defending himself. As soon as Putin and Yanukovych did not succeed in refusing European integration, which the Ukrainian people insisted on, Putin immediately sent troops into the Ukrainian peninsula of Crimea, and then into the Donetsk and Lugansk regions.


Stop, stop, stop. Not so fast.
Yanukovich was a duly and legally elected president of Ukraine. He had to to flee from Ukraine because of Maidan that was arranged by CIA. Why don't you acknowledge this?

 
Ukraine has the right to defend itself against a military attack by another state. And if the Russians began to fire at Ukraine from the territory of the Donetsk and Lugansk regions, then the response would come to where they were shooting from. This is ordinary arithmetic and the logic of war.


No,no, no. This is a lie. It is the Ukrainian military that started firing upon the territories of 2 breakaway provinces.
Why don't you acknowledge this as well?

During the Second World War, no one accused the USSR of firing into Nazi-occupied territory, which inevitably killed the civilian population. Only Russian propagandists are now focusing on this and deliberately increasing the deaths of the civilian population of Donbass by hundreds and thousands of times in order to justify their aggression and the illegal conquest of the territory of a neighboring state. I would also like to draw your attention to the fact that, according to international law, the aggressor is responsible for the safety of the civilian population of the occupied territories. There were no deaths at all until the boot of a Russian soldier set foot on the territory of Ukraine. It is Russian troops who are bringing to Ukraine the almost complete destruction of cities and villages in Ukraine and the mass death of the civilian population.


What about the intention of the Biden administration to install military bases in Ukraine with missiles pointed in the direction of Russia?
The US gave a promise to Gorbachov in 1990 that NATO would not move to the east any single inch.
This promise was broken by them. What about that? Doesn't this justify the special military operation of Russia on the territory of UKraine?

Actually, you yourself confirm the fact of a military attack on Ukraine by Russia, talking about some kind of punishment of Ukrainians by Putin and Russia by military means. And it’s generally stupid to refute this, since military operations by the Russians are still ongoing on the territory of Ukraine.


Yes that's correct but please note that the ordinary people living in Ukraine are not the targets in this military attack. The target of a military attack is the army of Ukraine and military installations and infrastructure only.
Still government  builidings in Kiyev are not being fired upon.
If Putin were Hitler then the Russian army would murder civilian population in large quantities but this does not take place. Why is that so?
 

There is one more thing that I would like to touch upon.
I have just read that in reply to Washington confiscating the assets of Russian Federation in the amount of about $5 billion Moscow retaliated by seizing the assets of JP Morgan bank in Russia in approximately the same amount.
i have the following suggestion that I want to get across to you and may be you would forward my suggestion on to the Biden administration.
Why wouldn't the US government allocate the Russian assets that have been confiscated to JP Morgan?
Thus all parties would be happy about such an amicable solution to the problem.   

Yanukovych actually fled Ukraine because of the events that took place on Independence Square in the center of Kyiv. I fully admit this. He thought it would be like in Russia. Indicatively, he will kill a couple of hundred dissatisfied people and the rest will run away in fear. But Ukrainians are not Russians. Ukraine has always had the spirit of freedom, the Cossacks and the Zaporozhye Sich. Instead, one of the Maidan centurions on the square openly declared that at ten in the morning the next day, his hundred would storm the presidential administration building. And the murderer Yanukovych was afraid of popular anger. That same evening, he loaded the most valuable of the loot onto three helicopters and fled to Russia.
Let me remind you that according to the Constitution of Ukraine, power in the country belongs to the people. The people elect the president and have the right to oust him. After Yanukovych fled, free elections took place and the people elected another president.

If you have facts that the people on Maidan were controlled by the CIA, share such facts with us. It would be very interesting. Instead, constantly write here only political slogans, blaming the USA for everything.

If you have facts that the people on Maidan were controlled by the CIA, share such facts with us. It would be very interesting. Instead, constantly write here only political slogans, blaming the USA for everything.


How could I do it? It is impossibe for someone living in another country.
Besides that both of us know that CIA are masters of disguise and political manipulation.  
I just know that the US was behind Maidan because this is very typical of the US.
Victoria Nuland was in Kiev at the time of Maidan. It was orchestrated by her. Everybody knows that.

Your discussions about the spirit of freedom or democracy only make me laugh.
You say that I am blaming the US for any troubles in Ukraine but tell me, my friend, who bought large masses of land in Ukraine? Haven't they been bought off by the US greedy corporations?
What country are Ukrainians fighting for? Do they know that huge masses of land in Ukraine have already been bought by the US? This is not their country anymore. What freedom are you talking about? Freedom to do what? Freedom to live off which land?

Didn't Blacrock buy a lot of land mass in Ukraine? How could they do it without Zelensky? I am sure that Zelensky knows about it and the Ukrainian land was sold to Blackrock not without Zelensky assistance in this matter, he knows about it and profits massively from it.
Therefore he is traitor of Ukrainian people.
At least Putin does not sell the land of Russia to foreign corporations. And if that's the case then Zelensky is many times more a traitor of the country that he rules rather than Putin. Do you understand my logic?  

You see, you do not have any factual evidence that during the events that took place on Independence Square in Kyiv at the end of 2013, the actions of Ukrainians were controlled by the American CIA. This is what Russian propagandists simply want to see in order to at least somehow explain the reasons for the subsequent military invasion of Ukraine.

As for the sale of Ukrainian land and the role of the American company BlackRock in this, I can also disappoint you. Yes, Ukraine is famous for its black soil. The country owns a third of the world's reserves of black soil, which is considered the standard of fertile soil. According to various estimates, there are from 27 to 32 million hectares of black soil in Ukraine.

Since 2001, there has been a moratorium on the sale of agricultural land in Ukraine. In 2020, the moratorium on the sale of land in Ukraine was lifted. Until 2024, only Ukrainian individuals could buy agricultural land, but not more than 100 hectares per person. Starting this year, Ukrainian legal entities can buy land, and the threshold has increased to 10 thousand hectares. Foreigners are still not allowed to buy it. But given that legal entities can be affiliated, this can be considered a form of permission for foreigners.

In Russian and other media, the investment company BlackRock, which manages $8 trillion in assets around the world, is called the main contender for Ukrainian agricultural land, but this is not true.
Over the past two years, the head of this campaign, Larry Fink, has actually spoken with Ukrainian President Zelensky several times. In September 2022, they agreed that BlackRock Financial Markets Advisory could provide free advice to the Ukrainian government on the creation of a reconstruction fund. “The goal of the fund will be to create an opportunity for both public and private investors to participate in the reconstruction and rejuvenation of the market economy in Ukraine by providing fair returns to investors,” Zelensky’s official website reported at the time. In November, BlackRock FMA announced that it had signed a memorandum on this with the Ministry of Economy of Ukraine. In December 2022, Zelensky spoke with Fink again. It was reported that the BlackRock team had been preparing for months to advise the Ukrainian government on the country's recovery funds and that some BlackRock leaders were planning to visit Ukraine in 2023. However, the topic of land was not mentioned.

According to the Californian Oakland Institute, in 2022, of the 4.3 million hectares of land leased by large owners, 3 million hectares were actually leased by a dozen multinational companies. These are, in particular, Monsanto, Dupont and Cargill. Another largest investor is the US pension fund NCH - it leases 450 thousand hectares of Ukrainian land.
In addition, according to Oakland, after the IPO, the largest agricultural holdings in Ukraine are controlled by global investment funds - the American Vanguard Group, the Kopernik Global Investors fund, the NN Investment Partners Holdings group, part of Goldman Sachs, and Norges Bank Investment Management, which manages Norway's sovereign wealth fund.
The second largest landowner in Ukraine is the American private investment company NCH Capital (it has 430 thousand hectares), which operates through a local legal entity, the Agroprosreris company. The third player in the land market, the MHP holding (370 thousand hectares), and the fifth, the Astarta company (250 thousand hectares), are co-owned by the American Kopernik Global Investors LLC.

However, not only Western investors are active in this field. Saudi Agricultural and Livestock Investment Company (SALIC) owns the Mriya agricultural holding with 300 thousand hectares in Ternopil, Khmelnitsky, Ivano-Frankivsk, Chernivtsi and Lviv regions. The Saudi royal conglomerate Continental Farmers Group (also controlled by the Saudi SALIC) leases 195 thousand hectares of black soil. The French agricultural holding AgroGénération has 120 thousand hectares of land.
Source:
https://ko.ru/articles/rokovoy-blackrock-kto-uzhe-seychas-skupaet-ukrainu/

But this is all about renting land in Ukraine. If you know anything about the sale of land in Ukraine to foreign companies in circumvention of Ukrainian legislation, write to us and we’ll discuss it.

OK. The black soil land has not been bought out but leased to foreign corporations.
At what price was it leased? I believe at much below market price.
As regards the lease of Ukrainian land by France and Norway these countries are US vassal countries and these countries are actively supplying weapons to Ukraine.
So it means that the Western countries have leased Ukrainian land at very low prices and now they are supplying armament to Ukraine by using the profits obtained through leasing of land at artificially low prices.
So as you can see the people of Ukraine are impoverished by Ukrainian elite and foreign corporations that are ripping off the people of Ukraine by leasing land at artificially low prices. .
Ukrainian people don't want to fight and die in the front but they are forced to be used as cannon fodder by the Ukrainian elite. Is this the democacy that you are talking about?
Did the Ukrainian people take part in Maidan in 2013 so that now in 2024 they could be forcibly sent to the front and murdered by Bandera regime? 
The West is attempting to destroy Russia at its expence and at expence of Ukraine.

The fact that foreign corporations pay rent in Ukraine much lower than the market price is all just your assumptions, which are not based on anything. You just want everything to be bad in Ukraine. But the standard of living of Ukrainians is much higher than in Russia, where people live well mainly in Moscow, St. Petersburg and several other large cities. Having the largest reserves of natural gas, only 71-73 percent of its territory is gasified in Russia.

Ukrainians, of course, do not want to fight with the Russians, as well as with other nations of the world. But in this case, the Russians are attacking and trying to seize as much of Ukraine as possible. Therefore, the right and duty of every Ukrainian to defend their territory and their state from an attack by an aggressor. Moreover, such an obligation exists in every democratic state, and not just in Ukraine. To save Ukrainians from having to fight and die at the front against the Russians, Russia only needs to withdraw its occupation forces from the territory of Ukraine. Then the war will stop and no one will die.

The fact that foreign corporations pay rent in Ukraine much lower than the market price is all just your assumptions, which are not based on anything.


This is the truth and this is not my assumption. It's as clear as a day to me. Please give me proof that the Ukrainian land is leased at a market price. It would be impossible to prove it to me. No way.

You just want everything to be bad in Ukraine. But the standard of living of Ukrainians is much higher than in Russia, where people live well mainly in Moscow, St. Petersburg and several other large cities. Having the largest reserves of natural gas, only 71-73 percent of its territory is gasified in Russia.


No I don't want everything to be bad in Ukraine. Why would I want that when my father was a Ukrainian?
The standards of living in Ukraine have nothing to do with the matter of our argument here.

Ukrainians, of course, do not want to fight with the Russians, as well as with other nations of the world. But in this case, the Russians are attacking and trying to seize as much of Ukraine as possible. Therefore, the right and duty of every Ukrainian to defend their territory and their state from an attack by an aggressor. Moreover, such an obligation exists in every democratic state, and not just in Ukraine. To save Ukrainians from having to fight and die at the front against the Russians, Russia only needs to withdraw its occupation forces from the territory of Ukraine. Then the war will stop and no one will die.


No no no! You are terribly mistaken! Russia is not an enemy but a liberator of Ukraine because Russians and Ukrainians have been peacefully living side by side for centuries. We are one and the same people. It's just that millions of young Ukrainians have been duped by Nazi propaganda during the last 30 years.
It is CIA and US neocons who want to divide Russia and Ukraine and start a war between one and the same people.

The Nazis brought war and destruction to Ukraine, trying to free Ukrainians from the communists, now the Putinists are destroying Ukraine, allegedly trying to free Ukraine from the mythical Banderaites. Why are you all going into Ukraine with weapons in your hands and trying to establish your own rules here by force? And did you forget to ask the Ukrainians whether they need to be “liberated”, and at the cost of massacres and the almost complete destruction of their housing and the infrastructure they use?

If earlier it was possible to say that there is a lot in common between Ukrainians and Russians, now forget about it. After killing hundreds of thousands of Ukrainians over the past two years, the Russians are now the worst enemies of the Ukrainians for at least several generations. Any relations between Ukraine and Russia will now be reduced to a minimum. Therefore, live there in your swamps and forget about Ukraine. Pay reparations to the Ukrainians for what you did in Ukraine, only then will it be possible to talk to you about something.

The Nazis brought war and destruction to Ukraine, trying to free Ukrainians from the communists, now the Putinists are destroying Ukraine, allegedly trying to free Ukraine from the mythical Banderaites. Why are you all going into Ukraine with weapons in your hands and trying to establish your own rules here by force? And did you forget to ask the Ukrainians whether they need to be “liberated”, and at the cost of massacres and the almost complete destruction of their housing and the infrastructure they use?


The Putinists, as you call them, are not killing Ukrainians. The are making sure that the territory of Ukraine is not used to install US military bases there. Unfortunately the people of Ukraine did not understand the danger of maidan and what nasties it was going to bring them.Now their eyes are being opened by the war.

By the way I copied the word "liberator" and "liberation" from CIA operatives. It was them that wanted to bring so called "democracy" to many other countries of thw world and wanted to "liberate" such countries as Vietnam, Afganistan, etc.

So in this case Putinists are copying CIA words and expressions. The US all the time has been using the word "liberation" and it occured to me that I could use this word as well.

By the way did not CIA forget to ask all those countries whether or not they wanted to be liberated? Well, I am awaiting your reply.

If earlier it was possible to say that there is a lot in common between Ukrainians and Russians, now forget about it. After killing hundreds of thousands of Ukrainians over the past two years, the Russians are now the worst enemies of the Ukrainians for at least several generations. Any relations between Ukraine and Russia will now be reduced to a minimum. Therefore, live there in your swamps and forget about Ukraine. Pay reparations to the Ukrainians for what you did in Ukraine, only then will it be possible to talk to you about something.


You are wrong here again. There are lots and lots of Ukrainians who are waiting for Russian forces to bring order to their country and help them to get rid of fascist Bandera nationalists. Unfortunately now it can be made only by force.

You have not yet taken into account two essential points in this war.

Firstly, the United States and NATO are not yet directly at war with Russia with their soldiers and their military power. While the onslaught of the “second army of the world” has been held back for three years by the Ukrainians, the Russian occupiers have managed to occupy only 20 percent of the territory of Ukraine over this long period of time. If NATO troops had entered the war, Russia would have lost it long ago. The war back in 2022 could have ended in Russia’s defeat if NATO had provided the Ukrainian Armed Forces with more military assistance. But in the West they fear the collapse of the Russian Federation due to the unpredictability of further events, including the fate of the Russian nuclear arsenal.

Secondly, in the wars against Napoleon and Hitler, the Ukrainians were always the first to bear the brunt. Now, as you understand, the situation is a little different. It was in vain that Russia attacked Ukraine. The myth of Russia's invincibility, which has been created for a very long time. finally defeated by the Ukrainians. Therefore, France, Great Britain and some other countries are already declaring that they are ready to fight with Russia if the situation at the front for Ukraine worsens.

You have not yet taken into account two essential points in this war.


Indeed I have not taken it into account yet.


Firstly, the United States and NATO are not yet directly at war with Russia with their soldiers and their military power. While the onslaught of the “second army of the world” has been held back for three years by the Ukrainians, the Russian occupiers have managed to occupy only 20 percent of the territory of Ukraine over this long period of time. If NATO troops had entered the war, Russia would have lost it long ago. The war back in 2022 could have ended in Russia’s defeat if NATO had provided the Ukrainian Armed Forces with more military assistance. But in the West they fear the collapse of the Russian Federation due to the unpredictability of further events, including the fate of the Russian nuclear arsenal.


The thing is that Russia is doing it very slowly on puspose because Putin understands that as soon as the situation changes dramatically then NATO countries might behave differently and he does not want that to happen.

On the other hand the US also has a hidden motive which you have partially explained. The US does not want either Russia or Ukraine to win in this war. The US would rather like this to be a protracted conflict that would bleed and weaken Russia during a long period of time.  


Secondly, in the wars against Napoleon and Hitler, the Ukrainians were always the first to bear the brunt. Now, as you understand, the situation is a little different. It was in vain that Russia attacked Ukraine. The myth of Russia's invincibility, which has been created for a very long time. finally defeated by the Ukrainians. Therefore, France, Great Britain and some other countries are already declaring that they are ready to fight with Russia if the situation at the front for Ukraine worsens.


Indeed in the wars against Napoleon and Hitler, the Ukrainians were always the first to bear the brunt but you overlook the fact that this is basically one people but not two different people.
Russia attacked because Russia could not stand the threat of installation of NATO military bases on the territory of Ukraine.
As regards your statement about France, Great Britain and some other countries already declaring that they are ready to fight with Russia if the situation at the front for Ukraine worsens as far as I know these countries have a problem with finding military man power in sufficient quantities. Ordinary people living in Europe and UK do not want to fight and die in this pointless war. More and more people there are coming to realization that the US wants to convert them into cannon fodder.

One more thing: Biden wanted Russia to attack. Biden provoked the Russian attack.

It turns out that Putin wanted to conquer Ukraine especially slowly at the initial stage of the invasion, when the Russian invasion group on February 22, 2022 was tasked with reaching the outskirts of Kyiv by nine o’clock in the morning. That is, in four hours Putin wanted to take Kyiv. No, the calculation was precisely for the lightning speed of the strike, the isolation and partial destruction of the political leadership of Ukraine, so that the puppet regime then appointed by the Russians would convince the West that everything is normal in Ukraine. Europe would hardly have had time to react to the military takeover of Ukraine, and it’s unlikely that they would have adopted it much, given the passivity of the reaction to the takeover of the Ukrainian Crimean peninsula, as well as parts of the Donetsk and Lugansk regions in 2014. Only the decisive resistance of the Ukrainian Armed Forces and the Ukrainian people ruined Putin’s plans for this next blitzkrieg.

And even now it is impossible to say that the Russian invaders are in no hurry, almost constantly attacking Ukraine along the entire front line since October last year. On the contrary, Putin always set specific tasks to seize the entire territory of the Donetsk and Lugansk regions by certain dates, and the Armed Forces of Ukraine always thwarted Putin’s plans. He wanted especially big victories at the front for his New Year’s address to the Russians, and then for his inauguration and the day of victory over fascism. Therefore, you are disingenuous once again.

It turns out that Putin wanted to conquer Ukraine especially slowly at the initial stage of the invasion, when the Russian invasion group on February 22, 2022 was tasked with reaching the outskirts of Kyiv by nine o’clock in the morning. That is, in four hours Putin wanted to take Kyiv. No, the calculation was precisely for the lightning speed of the strike, the isolation and partial destruction of the political leadership of Ukraine, so that the puppet regime then appointed by the Russians would convince the West that everything is normal in Ukraine. Europe would hardly have had time to react to the military takeover of Ukraine, and it’s unlikely that they would have adopted it much, given the passivity of the reaction to the takeover of the Ukrainian Crimean peninsula, as well as parts of the Donetsk and Lugansk regions in 2014. Only the decisive resistance of the Ukrainian Armed Forces and the Ukrainian people ruined Putin’s plans for this next blitzkrieg.


Listen. I do not work at the army headquarters. So I am not an expert in this but I think that Putin thought that it would a walk in the park. He did not anticipate that kind of resistance from the army of Ukaine.

And even now it is impossible to say that the Russian invaders are in no hurry, almost constantly attacking Ukraine along the entire front line since October last year. On the contrary, Putin always set specific tasks to seize the entire territory of the Donetsk and Lugansk regions by certain dates, and the Armed Forces of Ukraine always thwarted Putin’s plans. He wanted especially big victories at the front for his New Year’s address to the Russians, and then for his inauguration and the day of victory over fascism. Therefore, you are disingenuous once again.


You know Russian propaganda tells us that the Russian army is doing it slowly on purpose but I wouldn't argue with you over this matter because I am not a military expert.

You know recently I watched a video about the visit of Putin to China.

And I must say that it made me laugh.

The thing is that comrade Xi demands very large discounts on gas and demands that the Russian Federation build the Power of Siberia pipeline at its own expense. And China also does not want the gas pipeline to pass through the territory of Mongolia, since it turns out that Mongolia for China is like Chechnya for Russia. That is, China wants the gas pipeline not to go through Mongolia, and this is again at the expense of Russia.

It is just amazing.

Finally, these liberal bastards in the Russian Federation will have to answer for all that collapse of industry and education that their policies in Russia led to. Let them then begin to industrialize the Russian Federation. But they don’t want to carry it out because they understand that the current elite would lose power in the process of industrialization. It’s just great that China is twisting Putin’s arms like this. Then all the gas in Siberia would remain in Siberia and it would remain there for subsequent generations of Russians, when power in Russia changes and this power rules in favor of common  people, not harming common people, as it is now.

So it turns out from this that the people of Russia must be thankful to the Biden administration for all those and Russian sanctions.

I have already said that a Russian attack on Ukraine will have fatal consequences for it. After this war, or even in its final stage, it is most likely that Russia will fall apart into independent republics. Many nations and nationalities of the former USSR, which are now part of Russia, will see the weakness of the central government after this war and will want to secede from Russia. After all, they were kept within Russia mainly by fear and repression. Yes, oil and gas will remain in Siberia, but it will not belong to Russia. This is one of the facets of the price of Russia's attack on Ukraine.

I have already said that a Russian attack on Ukraine will have fatal consequences for it. After this war, or even in its final stage, it is most likely that Russia will fall apart into independent republics. Many nations and nationalities of the former USSR, which are now part of Russia, will see the weakness of the central government after this war and will want to secede from Russia. After all, they were kept within Russia mainly by fear and repression. Yes, oil and gas will remain in Siberia, but it will not belong to Russia. This is one of the facets of the price of Russia's attack on Ukraine.


Well, we will see how it will go from here.
By the way Siberia is where I live.

Can you tell us in more detail who exactly promised Gorbachev as President of the USSR in 1990 that NATO would not expand eastward and under what circumstances this happened? If this happened, it happened in a private conversation and such a promise does not have any legal consequences. Do, for example, the promises of Putin and other Russian officials that the Russian Federation will not attack Ukraine have any force? If such promises are not enshrined in the relevant agreements, these conversations mean nothing at all.

Finland, which has a direct border with Russia of more than 1,200 kilometers, recently became a new NATO member. I am absolutely sure that all Finnish missiles are now aimed at Russia, and recently there was information that Finland wants to locate NATO bases on its territory. This is not even the illusory desire of Ukraine to join NATO by 2014, this is Finland’s direct participation in this alliance. Finland even closed its borders with Russia.

In this regard, the question is: where is Russia’s special military operation in Finland? Or is the reason for Russia’s attack on Ukraine something else?

Can you tell us in more detail who exactly promised Gorbachev as President of the USSR in 1990 that NATO would not expand eastward and under what circumstances this happened? If this happened, it happened in a private conversation and such a promise does not have any legal consequences.


That's correct. This was a promise in a private conversation.
Gorbachov turned out to be a traitor of Russia. That's why he accepted a promise in a private conversation.


Do, for example, the promises of Putin and other Russian officials that the Russian Federation will not attack Ukraine have any force? If such promises are not enshrined in the relevant agreements, these conversations mean nothing at all.


Well, as you can see Putin simply copies the same methods of deception that are used by the US. Why are you offended by this?  He's just copying US politicians.

Finland, which has a direct border with Russia of more than 1,200 kilometers, recently became a new NATO member. I am absolutely sure that all Finnish missiles are now aimed at Russia, and recently there was information that Finland wants to locate NATO bases on its territory. This is not even the illusory desire of Ukraine to join NATO by 2014, this is Finland’s direct participation in this alliance. Finland even closed its borders with Russia.

In this regard, the question is: where is Russia’s special military operation in Finland? Or is the reason for Russia’s attack on Ukraine something else?


This change of heart in Finland can be easily explained away by the fact that the US is secretly controlling almost all European countries by the European politicians that have been bought by Washington. Almost all European states including Finland are vassal states of the US.
 

In all cases, when faced with inconvenient questions, you have a habit of referring to the influence of the United States and its CIA. In the case of Finland and Sweden, the US has nothing to do with it. These states would still be outside NATO, but Russia's direct military aggression in Ukraine changed their attitude towards a neutral status and they also became concerned about their security. And the best guarantee of security for European states against the threat of Russian invasion is NATO membership. For many residents of Finland, the attack of Russia as part of the former USSR on Finland in 1939-1940 is still fresh in their memory. Therefore, like no one else, they immediately soberly assessed the growing military threat from Russia.

So, as a result of a direct and open military attack on Ukraine, Russia has 1,271.8 kilometers of land border with NATO member Finland. But here’s a paradox: instead of strengthening the border with this new NATO member, the number of Russian troops on the Kola Peninsula decreased by five times in February 2023 and continues to decline. Maybe the reason for this is that Finland joined some other NATO alliance, more friendly to Russia, than Ukraine wanted? But no. The reason is that Russia does not have enough troops or military equipment for this. Back in early 2023, the 200th Motorized Rifle Brigade, the 61st Separate Marine Brigade, and the 80th Arctic Motorized Rifle Brigade, which are now fighting in Ukraine, were withdrawn from the Kola Peninsula. Therefore, in order to somehow save his face, Putin had to once again lie that the entry of Finland and Sweden into NATO does not create an immediate threat to Russia.
https://24tv.ua/ru/chto-izvestno-ob-armii-finljandii-chto-budet-baltijskim-morem_n2289607

Another year or two of war in Ukraine and Putin will have to declare that the United States is the most friendly country for Russia...

In all cases, when faced with inconvenient questions, you have a habit of referring to the influence of the United States and its CIA.


But this is reality. What world are you living in?
I am  living in a world where the US has the largest army in the world and where the US pokes its nose into affairs of almost all countries of the world.
This is CIA, my friend.  This is life.

In the case of Finland and Sweden, the US has nothing to do with it.


Are you sure? Can you swear by your mother that this is true?

These states would still be outside NATO, but Russia's direct military aggression in Ukraine changed their attitude towards a neutral status and they also became concerned about their security. And the best guarantee of security for European states against the threat of Russian invasion is NATO membership. For many residents of Finland, the attack of Russia as part of the former USSR on Finland in 1939-1940 is still fresh in their memory. Therefore, like no one else, they immediately soberly assessed the growing military threat from Russia.


Oh, oh, oh. The 2 atomic bombs that the US dropped on Japan in 1945 are also still fresh in my memory.
The Vietnam war is also still fresh in my memory. The inside job carried out by FBI and CIA in 9-11 is also still fresh in my memory. It's all still fresh in my memory.

So, as a result of a direct and open military attack on Ukraine, Russia has 1,271.8 kilometers of land border with NATO member Finland. But here’s a paradox: instead of strengthening the border with this new NATO member, the number of Russian troops on the Kola Peninsula decreased by five times in February 2023 and continues to decline. Maybe the reason for this is that Finland joined some other NATO alliance, more friendly to Russia, than Ukraine wanted? But no. The reason is that Russia does not have enough troops or military equipment for this. Back in early 2023, the 200th Motorized Rifle Brigade, the 61st Separate Marine Brigade, and the 80th Arctic Motorized Rifle Brigade, which are now fighting in Ukraine, were withdrawn from the Kola Peninsula. Therefore, in order to somehow save his face, Putin had to once again lie that the entry of Finland and Sweden into NATO does not create an immediate threat to Russia.
https://24tv.ua/ru/chto-izvestno-ob-armii-finljandii-chto-budet-baltijskim-morem_n2289607

Another year or two of war in Ukraine and Putin will have to declare that the United States is the most friendly country for Russia...


What should we do about it? Should I contact Putin and let him know what's going on on the border with Finland?

@gloffs. You are using the available functions incorrectly when writing a post. Apparently, you simply copy your opponent’s text, changing its font, and then write your comment. Other forum users may perceive this post design as your contradictory thoughts, and not a dialogue with your opponent.

First, click on the “quote” option, which is located on the right side of the topic title line above the text of your opponent’s post and in the window that opens, after your opponent’s text, insert or write your text.

  If you need to give a comment on a specific phrase of your opponent, then after clicking “quote” in the window that opens, delete the text of your opponent that you do not need and write your text below.

If you need to place your opponent’s text a second time in order to write your comment under it, then you first need to copy the first two lines at the top of the window with your opponent’s data and date, which begin with the words “quote author”, then the opponent’s text, after which you can write or insert your comment.

You are right in your thinking that I found the quote function too complicated for me. I have no problem with using it if I want to reply to the whole message of my opponent but I find it too complicated for me to write my comment to only some extracts from my opponents posts. I will try to learn how to use this function properly.

Before Russia attacked Ukraine in 2014 and seized part of its territory militarily, there was no hatred towards Russians. And probably, about half of the population of Ukraine themselves spoke Russian, although they considered themselves Ukrainians. Nothing can be done - the legacy of the USSR, when the Russian language was implanted throughout the territory and national languages were forced out. But the Russian attack has continued for the eleventh year. During this time, a younger generation has grown up and sees with their own eyes the consequences of Russian aggression. Do you want to say that they should have loved the Russians for this?

But before the full-scale invasion of Ukraine by Russians in February 2022, there was also no hatred of Ukrainians towards Russians and there were no conflicts on this basis at all. In addition, I would not say that there is hatred towards Russians in Ukraine now. Most likely, there is a rejection of everything Russian and this is quite natural.   And I agree with you: it is quite natural that young people consider Russian the language of the occupiers, because the occupiers speak it.

The Russian attack has continued for the eleventh year? What are you smoking?
After Maidan in 2013 the Ukainian Army started to fire on the territory of 2 break away provinces of Ukraine and this has been going on for 10 years before Russia started special miltary operation of denazification and demilitarization of Ukraine.
Are you calling this military agression of Kiev against Donbass and Lugansk the Russian attack?  
Ukrainian nazies have been killing innocent civil people in Donetsk and Lugansk since 2014 up to 2022 and you are saying that it was the Russian attack?

Well, let's count how many years Russia has been waging war against Ukraine. If we consider the chronology of the development of events, everything falls into place.
Since the summer of 2013, various action plans for the seizure of Ukrainian territories have begun to be worked out in the circles of the Russian authorities. In September 2013, during Russian-Belarusian exercises in the Kaliningrad region, “operations to protect compatriots allegedly oppressed on the territory of a foreign state” were practiced. According to the scenario of these exercises, “unrest and attempts to seize power occur on the territory of a neighboring state, illegal armed groups are created,” and Russia and Belarus, as neighboring countries, “come in and restore order.” Does this remind you of anything? There was no Maidan yet, and the plan to seize Ukraine was already being worked out by Russia. Subsequently, Russia actually used Euromaidan as a justification for the annexation of Crimea and the subsequent hybrid war against Ukraine in the Donbass.

  By February 23, 2014, Russian special forces received their first orders for Crimea and within a few days the initial covert transfer of troops to the peninsula took place, where, meanwhile, civil confrontation continued.
On February 23-24, under pressure from pro-Russian activists, the executive authorities of Sevastopol were changed.
On February 26, supporters of the Mejlis and the new Ukrainian government tried to seize the building of the Crimean parliament and blocked its work.
  Early in the morning of February 27, the active phase of Russian actions in Crimea began - Russian special forces seized the buildings of the authorities of the Autonomous Republic of Crimea, after which deputies of the Supreme Council of the Autonomous Republic of Crimea, who gathered in the parliament building, dismissed the government of Anatoly Mogilev and appointed the leader of the Russian party as the head of the new government of Crimea unity" by Sergei Aksenov. He declared non-recognition of the new leadership of Ukraine and turned to Russia for “assistance in ensuring peace and tranquility in the territory of the Autonomous Republic of Crimea.

So, in February 2014, Russia captured the Ukrainian peninsula of Crimea and after that in March, at gunpoint, it held the so-called “referendum” on independence. From that time to the present day, it is already the 11th year since the Crimean peninsula was illegally occupied by Russia.

  Now about the events in Donbass. After the events on the Maidan of Independence in Kyiv, rallies of opponents of the new government established in Kyiv after the removal of President Yanukovych are taking place in the cities of eastern Ukraine. Some activists come out with pro-Russian slogans, in particular, calling for the annexation of the eastern regions to Russia according to the “Crimean scenario.”
On April 6, 2014, rally participants seized the buildings of the Donetsk Regional State Administration, as well as the building of the Lugansk Directorate of the Security Service of Ukraine.
On April 12, several dozen people under the command of former Russian FSB employee Igor Girkin (Strelkov) seized administrative buildings in Slavyansk, Donetsk region.
  After Petro Poroshenko took office as President of Ukraine, Kyiv launched a large-scale counter-offensive. Slavyansk, Kramatorsk, Mariupol, Severodonetsk, Lisichansk come under the control of the ATO forces. But the offensive of the ATO forces was interrupted by their severe defeat near Ilovaisk. The course of the military operation was turned around by eight tactical groups of regular troops of the Russian Federation, who crossed the border in armored vehicles and took part in the hostilities. After this, the separatists acquire armored vehicles, which were allegedly found in the mines of Donbass. The Russian military had a significant influence on the separatists, supplying them with weapons and carrying out shelling at their requests. It was under the direct influence of Russian troops and its armored personnel in Minsk that an agreement was concluded that established the demarcation line between the DPR/LPR and Ukraine.
By the way, at the beginning of 2023, the ECHR made a decision according to which the territories of eastern Ukraine controlled by the DPR and LPR were de facto under the control of Russia.

Well. I have read all your post up to the end and I must admit that you described the events quite correctly.
There's only one thing that should be stressed. What Russia did was not a waging of war against Ukraine but assissting Ukrainian separatists in their armed struggle against the new fascist regime in Kiev.

I believe that this was an honorable deed that was done by Russia but you say that Russia waged a war against Ukraine. Of course the new fascist regime in Kiev after Maidan was a regime that was going to convert Ukraine into anti Russia and the majority of people living in the east of Ukraine as well as Crimea did not want to obey the Kiev regime. That's why they decided to separate from Kiev and as a result of this the Kiev regime sent ATO forces to the east of Ukraine and ordered the bombing of the 2 breakaway provinces.     

If there is a fascist regime in Ukraine, then why is the Russian-speaking population not oppressed there?

Not oppressed there? What are you smoking? It is being oppressed there every single day!

Today I stumbled across an interesting series of articles about the Ukrainian conflict.
Here is a link:

The economic viability of Ukraine is now questionable. Either those men are dying or the ones abroad who fail to renew nationality documents for fear of breaking the tyrannical laws in Ukraine (cease to remain Ukrainian)

https://imontheball.com/the-genocide-that-nobody-is-discussing/ Poland will get a chunk, Russia will keep the East & the money spent will be a fulcrum to spill battles & conflict throughout Europe.

Wrote about on my blog why I think the next round by the military industrial complex will not be in Iran, Syria or Africa, but Europe.
https://imontheball.com/europe-is-the-next-big-battlefield-again/


After reading it through I wrote the following to the author of those two articles:

I have read both of your articles and since I am Russian myself and have been living in Russia since the time of USSR I would say that you did a good job by giving the right eye opening information in both of your articles.

There's only one thing that I would like to add regarding those Ukrainians who managed to escape to the West from the meat grinder:

Now that their passports have expired all those Ukrainians who escaped to the West can escape to Russia where they would be met with sympathy and treated well and not sent to the meat grinder. If they go back to Ukraine they would be sent to the meat grinder.

Do you see the irony of the situation? Many of the Ukrainians who escaped to the West hate Putin but now they might find out the hard way that only Russia is their friend  and not the West because I read that countries of the West are already thinking about how to send all these male Ukrainian migrants back to Ukraine where they would be slaughtered in the war.

You again have incorrect information about the actions of the Ukrainian government and its people. The events of the end of 2013, which took place mainly on the Independence Square in Kyiv and were called the Revolution of Dignity, were exclusively directed against Yanukovych’s entourage, who abandoned Ukraine’s previously taken course of joining the European Union. It was because of this that people took to the streets in outrage. But since Putin saw that Ukraine would escape Russia’s control if it joined the European Union, he decided to forcefully turn Ukraine away from the European Union, and at the same time from possible accession to NATO in the distant future. But the Russians were practically indifferent to the pro-European positions of the Ukrainians. That’s why the Kremlin came up with the myth that Ukraine is becoming anti-Russian. Otherwise, the Kremlin would not have been able to mobilize Russians for war against Ukraine. The hostility towards Russians is now increasing only because Russian soldiers are now trying to destroy Ukraine and Ukrainians, and the remaining 70 percent of the Russian population still supports this war.

And now about the bombing of the “breakaway provinces”. Putin’s initial plan was to return the DPR and LPR to Ukraine after some time, but on the basis of autonomy, in which these pseudo-republics would have their own police, courts, army and representation in the legislative body of Ukraine - the Verkhovna Rada. If this happened, this autonomy with the full control of Russia would strictly prevent Ukraine from joining the European Union and NATO. But Ukraine, understanding this, could not accommodate such plans of the Kremlin. Then they decided that they would encourage Ukraine to make such a decision by constant shelling of Ukrainian territory from the demarcation line. For some time, understanding the essence of these provocative attacks, Kyiv did not give permission to the Ukrainian Armed Forces to return fire. But the soldiers at the demarcation line began to be indignant: they were under constant fire, unable to hit enemy firing points. Therefore, after some time, such permission was given.

And now about the shelling of the LPR and DPR, and in particular, Donetsk. You claim that from 2014 to 2022, Ukraine constantly bombed these territories, destroying cities and their populations. The positions of the Ukrainian Armed Forces near Avdeevka were only a few kilometers from the city of Donetsk and cannon artillery could freely reach there. What would have happened to Donetsk in eight years if all this time the Ukrainian Armed Forces had been constantly shelling and bombing it? Let me remind you: Russia is now turning large populated areas of Ukraine into ruins in just a couple of months. But even now there is no major destruction in Donetsk. From time to time, the Ukrainian Armed Forces only carry out targeted strikes against concentrations of enemy personnel and equipment. In addition, the Ukrainian Armed Forces could return Donetsk under its control many times over. Periodically, they drove into Donetsk in armored vehicles and noted the almost complete absence, not only of defense, but even of enemy troops. But if the Ukrainian Armed Forces had done this, then Donetsk would definitely have been turned into ruins, as Russia is now trying to do with the liberated Kherson.

Do you want to say that Russian speaking population in the east of Ukraine has not been systematically despised and oppressed by the Kiev regime? I have read many stories about such incidents almost every week during 2014-2022 period. And I did not watch Russian state TV. All I was reading at that time were the blogs of some Russian patriots that openly criticized the Putin regime. Still many Russian voluntreers in the Russian forces are still criticizing Putin.

It does not matter what was the reason for shelling and it does not matter at all whether or not the Kiev regime was vacillating whether or not to start shelling. They nevertheless gave an order to start shelling and bombing these 2 provinces. So the Kiev regime is full of murderers who regarded people in the east of Ukraine somewhat inferior to them. This is called racism, pure and simple.

Yes, You are right in saying that the pace of shelling was not that intensive but it did happen and people in the streets were indeed killed by artillery fire. So the killings of civilian population by artillery fire did take place and you admit it, Then why are you arguing with me?

Do you think that it would be absolutely normal for the Ukrainian Armed Forces to be under fire from the separatists and Russian military from the territory of the DPR and LPR and not respond to fire, because there could be civilians there? Your ideas about military operations are interesting. This then is not military action, this is the execution of one side. And responding with fire to fire is, in your opinion, murder. Interesting logic.

Tell me then how this logic was applied in two Chechen wars, when, as you write, the province tried to break away from Russia. And Russia didn’t fire at all on the cities of Chechnya? May I remind you how Russia practically turned the central city of Chechnya, Grozny, into ruins? So which side in this war were the killers on? Or if regions “break away” from Ukraine, this is normal, but at the same time such regions are subject to destruction if they want to secede from Russia?

Are you saying that the Ukrainian Armed Forces were under fire from the separatists and Russian military from the territory of the DPR and LPR? Nothing can be further from the truth. This is a lie. The artillery fire was started by the Ukrainian nazi but not by the separatists or the Russian Army. And there was no Russian army there in that time. There were a number of Russian volunteers who came to protect the Russian world so to to speak but not the Russian army.

Moreover I know that at that time the Russian authorities complied with requests received from Ukraine and handed some separatists over to Ukraine where they were tortured and killed.

Where did you get the idea that the Russian-speaking population in eastern Ukraine was subjected to systematic contempt and oppression by the Kyiv regime? Give examples, sources, we will discuss.   In the meantime, on your part there are only slogans on this matter.
Regarding the Russian patriots who criticized Putin, I know that for such criticism Girkin was put in prison and already sentenced to imprisonment, and the second shot himself right at the front because he was subjected to threats and oppression.

I read about it in many places but I will have to search for that information again.

Don't tell us stories. The best thing that awaits Ukrainians who have fled the war to other countries if they come to Russia is forced mobilization into the Russian army, as is already happening in the occupied territories of Ukraine.

It is not Biden who wants to kill more Russians and Ukrainians, but Putin and his entourage, who gave the order for the Russian army to invade Ukraine and are sending their soldiers to their deaths in Ukraine. Also, it is Putin who can stop this senseless bloodshed any day if he decides to withdraw his troops from Ukraine.

In Russia, as in Ukraine, there are a lot of people who fled to other countries from this stupid and bloody war. But defending your country is the duty of every citizen of any state. At the same time, participating in an attack on another state is complicity in the crime of their leaders and this is condemned by international standards.

Well, I have spent some time looking for some articles describing how the Russian speaking Ukrainians were killed by Ukrainian  nationalists and here is 1 article that I found but it's in Russian: https://news.rambler.ru/conflicts/49388723-vosem-let-terrora-kak-vsu-i-natsbatalony-istreblyali-naselenie-donbassa/

At the same time I found at least several articles describing how allegedly the Russians killed Ukrainians but I am sure that all of these articles are a lie because since 2013 or even earlier the Western media of disinformation started a campaign of disinformation whereby they set a goal to prove to the whole world that it was Russians who were the bad guys.

Provocation with MH-17 plane in 2014 was arranged and organised by the CIA with the same goal: to portray Russians as bad guys.

This is an example of a job done by the CIA. To me this is as clear as a day.    

It is preposterous and absurd to claim that the Russians have been killing Ukrainians. Only dumbed down people can believe in this BS.

It is you who is telling stories. If Ukrainians come to Russia they would not be forcefully mobilised. You are living in a fantasy land.

it is Biden and neocons who want to kill as many Russians and Ukrainians as possible because they want to solve the Russian question once and for all. All they want is to subjugate Russia and convert Russia into a US vassal state so that the US could go on exploiting Russia's resouces on the cheap like it was done in the 1990ies.  

Also the necons would like to kill as many people in the world as possible and not only Russians. To this end they invented the global warming hoax telling the world at large that it is very important to reduce carbon emissions in the whole world.

They want to forbid us eat meat and force us start eating insects.

Also a few years ago the global elite invented plandemic and under the pretext of a virus they forced massive amount of people to get a jab, a jab that is harmful for one's health, a jab that killed quite a sizable amount of people in the whole world

  

Russia is not the only country in history to default. A currency does not become a scam just because a country has defaulted. I am anti-war and in favor of peace, but I think this title and topic have misleading content. I'm sure even Russians who are anti-war are hurt by the title and the topic.

Fiat currencies are problematic in every aspect. They depreciate, are constantly vulnerable to the danger of inflation, and can cause hyperinflation. I think it is better to call them all scams...

defaulted ? What does it mean ? I think there is no fraudulent fiat currency because the fiat currency in each country is different and each country will definitely maintain and guarantee the currency. I think the ruble is one of the strongest currencies in the world because Russia is one of the strong countries in the field of economy and resources. Several times America and western countries tried to attack Russia from an economic perspective but Russia was still able to survive.

I opened with interest and read the article you suggested, which has the title: “Eight years of terror: how the Armed Forces of Ukraine and the national battalions exterminated the population of Donbass.” But the article itself very briefly talks about the events of the mass riots on May 2, 2014 in Odessa, which I wrote about earlier. The article clearly states that “Odessa residents who disagreed with the actions of the Kyiv regime encountered radical football fans who came to the Ukrainian championship match taking place on the same day.” Well, where is the terror of the Armed Forces of Ukraine and the Ukrainian national battalions? What, the residents of Odessa have already begun to be called the population of Donbass? In addition, the article does not contain a detailed description of the essence of the events, and it is worth noting that the football fans were also Russian-speaking.
But you still provide the facts that the Ukrainian Armed Forces massively killed and terrorized the population of the DPR and LPR, that is, the population of the Donbass region, as you stated earlier.

It's there in Ukraine. I am sure there are lots of Ukrainians who would attest to that.
By the way yesterday I read an article about someone traveling by train and overhearing a conversation between a few mobilised Ukrainians who were forcefully sent to the front. One of them said that he would be very happy to join with the Russian forces and move in the direction of Kiev in order to arrest traitor Zelensky and all his company.

You see, even nationalists in Ukraine still speak Russian. I don't understand how can someone forcefully switch himself to speak in Ukrainian which is an artificial language whereas Russian is his or her mother tongue. How can anyone switch from one's own native language to an artificial language even if they believe that Russian is a language of the occupants?

Frankly speaking I don't like Putin. Does it mean that I should speak only Eglish since Putin speaks Russian?  

To make it understandable. Try to write down your sentence on a T-shirt and walk down the streets in Russia. How long you would walk out doesn't matter to the fact where you'll come in the end. If there's absolute 100% (oh, that doesn't count in Russia! Make it 146%!) support for war raging among mostly russian speaking population on both sides, then why oh why should government officials rip out the tongue of Free Press, independent Media and simple protesters on the streets of Russia? They do not afraid of the newspapers, journalists or retired babushkas on the streets! They are franzy afraid of the words they may hear from all these sources! The words of truth...

Currently Russia's national currency is probably the most negatively volatile, but to consider it a scam is too severe. It would be the same as saying that a country does not exist or that a country was created wrongly just to make a profit, and that is absurd. Beyond this and as mentioned in other answers, it is necessary to separate feelings from reality, especially the socio-economic aspect in any analysis. Thus, we can understand that the Russian ruble is an aspect related to a country that in this particular case will see its currency plummet because the West punishes actions that do not serve its interests in this way wherever possible.

I think that we can call it a scam, because what is a scam? It's a situation where a person is deceived or defrauded by someone who wants to take advantage of that person. IMO the Russian government and its central bank want to take advantage of the Russian people who use their currency, therefore they print money to tax them, because money printing is literally a tax on every citizen's savings.
They want to finance the war, but have not enough profit from foreign trade income tax and other taxes, like property tax, so they print money to get something out of nothing. The US does the same, but Russia is in a more dire situation.

Apparently, by nationalism, and especially Ukrainian nationalism, you understand something very bad. To hang up unclear labels, let's first figure out what they mean.

Wikipedia defines that nationalism is an ideology and policy direction, the fundamental principle of which is the thesis about the value of the nation as the highest form of social unity, its primacy in the state-forming process. As a political movement, nationalism strives to create a state that covers the territory of residence of only a certain nation and defends its interests. It is further stated that nationalists believe that each country should govern itself without outside interference (self-determination), that the nation is the natural and ideal basis for government, and that the people are the only legitimate source of political power. Nationalism advocates the creation and maintenance of a single national identity based on common social characteristics such as culture, language, religion, politics...
https://ru.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%9D%D0%B0%D1%86%D0%B8%D0%BE%D0%BD%D0%B0%D0%BB%D0%B8 %D0%B7%D0%BC

Since nationalists value their language and culture very much, Ukrainian nationalists cannot use another language, much less consider it their native language. These concepts are simply incompatible.

Nationalism is a political program built on a feeling of patriotism. Almost all liberation movements of oppressed peoples were formed and acted under the banner of the ideology of nationalism. Where national freedom is at stake, the ideology of nationalism is inevitable.

So do you have something against nationalism, in particular Ukrainian nationalism? Then tell me why...

By nationalism I mean those people in Ukraine who are very aggressive towards Russian speaking Ukrainians and those who have been jumping at the time of Maidan and shouting very loudly the following words: "Those who do not jump with us, are Muscovites. A Muscovite must be hanged"
These are the people who customarily torture and kill those Ukrainians who have a good attitude toward Russia.

I have just read an article in Russian about one of the Russian heros of the war and here is an extract from the article translated by google:
The address of the article: https://dzen.ru/a/Zlos2gP0PWb1l_RH

When our regiment passed through Tokmak in a column, all its residents went out into the street - children, old people... Some prayed. One grandmother knelt down and said: “Thank you, Russian soldier! Just don’t let them come here again.” I was on the armor, tears came to my eyes,

Do you know whom this grandmother meant by "them"? Ukrainian nationalists who are as cruel as fascicts and habitually torture and kill any Ukrainians who feel sympathy towards Russian soldiers.  

Also he said that Ukrainian soldiers habitually use some kind of a synthetic drug provided by the US so that they wouldn't feel any fear or pain.

I have just read a letter from a resident of Odessa which was sent to a blogger in Russia.
This letter debunks the myths concocted by CIA and rebroadcast here by Argoo:

They write to me. Russia will come. Necessarily. Those who write it, fortunately, are not decision makers. I’ll say more, Donbass was called names in the same way for eight years. Not by everyone, but... And I’ll say even more - people from Ukraine often say this. Alas. And Russia, the real one, is with you. I convinced myself in it.

Good afternoon, Roman. I thought for a long time whether to write to you or not.

If you think it necessary, publish my letter. This is not just my opinion. The questions are not for you. It’s just that you are the only one, as it seems to me, who is an honest mouthpiece. My whole family and I are from Odessa, except for my mother. I am the fourth generation, and my son is the fifth generation. We are native residents of Odessa.

My mother was born in the USSR. I constantly hear reproaches (not yours) addressed to us, specifically residents of Odessa – that we stood in the wrong way. And, in general, citizens of Ukraine. That we are this, this and that.

What did the Russia do to make things different? The work of the CIA is clearly visible. People's brains have been fucked up as much as possible. Their brains were polished to a mirror shine. What about Russia? Russia gave lots of money to Medvedchuk and his entire gang . So that they could steal funds, live well and sleep sweetly. And that no one knew about this? We all knew about it, of course. And even with all this, a huge number of people in Ukraine retained their sanity despite CIA propaganda.

It is already well known that in order for people to resist, they need, roughly speaking, a leader.  I know a bunch of people, they are normal people. And yet, when even Vitaly had one military correspondent on the air (you know who I’m talking about), and not only him, who said, “to hell with them,” “there aren’t any people of our own there,” “our own people have left,” “let them die.” etc. Is this some kind of a joke? How can I leave? I’m 55, my husband is 58, my son is not traveling abroad, my parents are well over 70!!! HOW?

Where should we all go? What do we have to live on? Give up everything, and... No one is waiting for us anywhere. I know many people who are waiting for Russian forces in Odessa and hoping that Russia would come to their rescue.

There are those who traveled to Bulgaria and they hope for the better as well. I know a number of retired persons here in Odessa, who are confident that Russians would come to their rescue to save them from nationalists. I would like to have their confidence!! I have almost no hope left. I am afraid they Russia would abandon us again, like in 2014...

I’m almost sure that sooner or later there will be an agreement between Russia and Ukraine and again we, residents of Odessa would be left to our own devices. Sorry it's kind of confusing. But I wanted to say that for a long time!!

Why are we constantly insulted?!! Do they really know all of us?!! You also need to be able to admit your mistakes. And they are colossal!! Even president Putin said it. Why did Russia recognize the coup in 2014?! Everyone knew that money from the US embassy flowed like a river to the Maidan demonstrators. If Russian leaders had behaved differently, none of this would have happened. And now we turned out to be bastards!! And we are to blame. Do not deny. Now, what can we do? We sit and do not draw attention to ourselves.  Otherwise if we start to show our displeasure with the Kiev regime then  they would take us to the security service and that would be it, that would be the end.

I am the granddaughter of two front-line soldiers. How can I not honor their memory?!! And your colleagues, so to speak, constantly spit on us!! Sometimes I just want to say, screw you... Why the hell did you lock yourself in completely unprepared?!!

Did you listen to Medvedchuk who was traded for Ukrainian POW’s?!! And now we are blamed for everything. Where and to whom did Russia give money?! For what? Was the money stolen? And your soldiers are also dying. And civilians are dying and, worst of all, children are dying. Just awful!

Once again, sorry for the harshness. I’m boiling, there are no words.
All the best to you. It's good that you are there raising this issue.

Russian propagandists are now trying very hard to justify their stupid attack on Ukraine. How else can one justify this if not to paint the image of an enemy in the Ukrainians, who, supposedly, for some reason, were inflamed with hatred of the Russians. This is supposedly why they need to be killed.

During the events on Independence Square in Kyiv in November-December 2013, Russians and the Russian language were not even remembered. There was a completely different focus there. There the people defended their European choice. But Russian propagandists deliberately distort these events, which in Ukraine are called the Revolution of Dignity. But after them, the Kremlin realized that Ukraine was moving away from Russian influence and moving towards Europe. Therefore, military aggression began immediately.

And all these letters, statements allegedly from Odessa residents and other residents of Ukraine about how they are waiting for the Russians to come under their own missiles and bombs, which are now destroying their homes, can be invented and hundreds have been invented. I don’t think that Odessa residents want to have the same “Russian world” as they have in the DPR and LPR, where everything is already in complete ruins, and there is practically no male population left.

Hey Ozero, don't tell me stories as if I am some kind of a dumbed down person who can be influenced by Russian propaganda.
I heard this stupid chant that was shouted by a large crowd of fu..ing stupid Ukrainian nationalists. It was a very large crowd of crazy assholes in Kiev who were shouting the following: "Moskalaku na gilyaku. Kto ne skatchet, tot Moskal."
I saw this video with my own eyes.
And you tell me that this was invented by Russian propaganda? What are you smoking?
I am now going to find this video in the Internet. 

These letters are not a lie. These are real letters written by real Ukrainians and these Ukrainians are afraid for their lives because they know that as soon as the secret service of Ukraine discovers their identities then they will be arrested and killed.

Here is the video that I was talking about: https://vk.com/video34634651_456239742?list=5d6316a482eb331b1f
Unfortunately this video is in Russian and in the beginning you will see an ad which you will have to watch for half a minute or so and then you will see how these crazy Ukrainian nationalists were jumping in the streets of Kiev and shouted in Ukrainian that a Muscovite must be hanged and that those who were not jumping were Muscovites that had to be killed.