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Title: How Much do you Value your Privacy in Gambling?
Post by: Fivestar4everMVP on October 20, 2023, 09:02:13 AM

So, for some days now, I've had this thought of "how much some people really value their privacy in gambling", like as a gambler, you signed up on a new casino and immediately, you are allowed to deposit and play without going through a KYC verification process like we do on some casinos immediately after registration.
You start playing and luckily, you won a significant amount of money.

I know the word "significant" can mean different values for different gamblers, so let's use figures i personally think are significant and capable of changing lives.

So, let's assume you luckily won anything as from $70,000 and above with a total bet below $100, and to withdraw this money, or even part of it, the casino requires you to pass all levels of verification in their system, which means that you will have to provide them all your personally information down to the most private of them all, and this casino is relatively new and you are not sure about their reputation.

Will you go ahead and provide them all they require from you for account verification, so they can process your withdrawal request, or will you willingly forfeit such amount of money back to the casino on the account that your private information is more expensive than that amount of money you have own from them?

I love to read your thoughts on this.


Title: Re: How Much do you Value your Privacy in Gambling?
Post by: Odohu on October 20, 2023, 09:10:59 AM

So, for some days now, I've had this thought of "how much some people really value their privacy in gambling", like as a gambler, you signed up on a new casino and immediately, you are allowed to deposit and play without going through a KYC verification process like we do on some casinos immediately after registration.
You start playing and luckily, you won a significant amount of money.

I know the word "significant" can mean different values for different gamblers, so let's use figures i personally think are significant and capable of changing lives.

So, let's assume you luckily won anything as from $70,000 and above with a total bet below $100, and to withdraw this money, or even part of it, the casino requires you to pass all levels of verification in their system, which means that you will have to provide them all your personally information down to the most private of them all, and this casino is relatively new and you are not sure about their reputation.

Will you go ahead and provide them all they require from you for account verification, so they can process your withdrawal request, or will you willingly forfeit such amount of money back to the casino on the account that your private information is more expensive than that amount of money you have own from them?

I love to read your thoughts on this.
First, any casino that do this is not to be trusted and the intention might likely to deny you the money or make the conditions a little difficult to check if you will give up on the funds.

Personally, I will submit the documents and do the KYC, provided I will be paid my winnings. We do KYC for minor things talk more of when $70k is involved. I know there are people that will think twice before submitting  such KYC but I don't belong to that category because the amount involved is huge and it is my wish I get to such a situation.


Title: Re: How Much do you Value your Privacy in Gambling?
Post by: Oshosondy on October 20, 2023, 09:15:40 AM
Will you go ahead and provide them all they require from you for account verification, so they can process your withdrawal request, or will you willingly forfeit such amount of money back to the casino on the account that your private information is more expensive than that amount of money you have own from them?
I like going for reputable sites. If I win $70000, I do not care about KYC but the money won and I will do KYC immediately. What can be the problem is for the gambling site not to be capable of paying the money, it can not be a scam site that will sell people's KYC to other people to use. Also in reputed sites that you have use KYC to verify before, not that they are better because any site can misuse customers KYC.


Title: Re: How Much do you Value your Privacy in Gambling?
Post by: Richbased on October 20, 2023, 09:22:55 AM
Yes to me I don't play gamble on sites or platform that doesn't guarantee your privacy as privacy is very important in any transaction. Inasmuch as gambling is concerned, privacy is of utmost priority as due to online frauds your account can get hacked and the hacker might use their details in the course of paying out winnings but a situation whereby your details corresponds with your transaction details then it will be difficult to intrude on your privacy

So privacy is very important as this guarantees the safety of an account on a gambling platform


Title: Re: How Much do you Value your Privacy in Gambling?
Post by: khiholangkang on October 20, 2023, 09:23:55 AM
Privacy is very important to me, so in gambling I always look for casinos that have a good reputation, based on general reviews and correct and legal regulations that have been imposed on the casino to operate.
However, today KYC has become a mandatory requirement, especially if you get a very large amount of winnings, of course to withdraw the money we are required to be verified by the casino, and yes, I can't avoid that but also.

Maybe in the past I didn't need to do KYC to withdraw funds regardless of the amount of my winnings, but today it is very important as regulations have become established, how to maintain privacy and today is in the right place and protects customer data safely.


Title: Re: How Much do you Value your Privacy in Gambling?
Post by: Text on October 20, 2023, 09:25:26 AM
If I were in the situation you described, I would first try to learn more about the casino's reputation. I would read online reviews, see if they are licensed and regulated by a reputable gaming authority, and check to see if they have any history of problems with payouts. If I was satisfied with the casino's reputation, I would then be more likely to provide them with the required information. I would still be cautious and would only provide the information that is absolutely necessary. I would also make sure to read the casino's terms and conditions carefully to understand how they will use my information.


Title: Re: How Much do you Value your Privacy in Gambling?
Post by: swogerino on October 20, 2023, 09:28:49 AM

So, for some days now, I've had this thought of "how much some people really value their privacy in gambling", like as a gambler, you signed up on a new casino and immediately, you are allowed to deposit and play without going through a KYC verification process like we do on some casinos immediately after registration.
You start playing and luckily, you won a significant amount of money.

I know the word "significant" can mean different values for different gamblers, so let's use figures i personally think are significant and capable of changing lives.

So, let's assume you luckily won anything as from $70,000 and above with a total bet below $100, and to withdraw this money, or even part of it, the casino requires you to pass all levels of verification in their system, which means that you will have to provide them all your personally information down to the most private of them all, and this casino is relatively new and you are not sure about their reputation.

Will you go ahead and provide them all they require from you for account verification, so they can process your withdrawal request, or will you willingly forfeit such amount of money back to the casino on the account that your private information is more expensive than that amount of money you have own from them?

I love to read your thoughts on this.

I am already level 2 verified at Stake as I believe really big companies like this would not care much with my data except doing what they need to do and go through the verification,the bonuses if won any of the challenges are slightly higher if you are level two verified and I think also the ongoing bonuses get something very little as more  ;D.

The fact that I verified though is because I won about 3000 dollars a long time ago and before withdrawing I got to verification so I could avoid problems and in fact the withdrawal was instantly successful and after a few moments it came in my wallet.


Title: Re: How Much do you Value your Privacy in Gambling?
Post by: Eternad on October 20, 2023, 09:29:12 AM

Will you go ahead and provide them all they require from you for account verification, so they can process your withdrawal request, or will you willingly forfeit such amount of money back to the casino on the account that your private information is more expensive than that amount of money you have own from them?

This the tricky part about gambling privacy nowadays since some new casino risk their reputation just to dodge huge payout using their ToS. It’s nonsense to provide KYC on a relatively new casino if you won huge amount while they halt withdrawal using KYC requirements.

That’s why playing only with trusted casino for a long time is a must in online gambling so that when a big opportunity like this come then we can safely claim our rewards since we have forum.


Title: Re: How Much do you Value your Privacy in Gambling?
Post by: _act_ on October 20, 2023, 09:55:01 AM
If I were in the situation you described, I would first try to learn more about the casino's reputation. I would read online reviews, see if they are licensed and regulated by a reputable gaming authority, and check to see if they have any history of problems with payouts. If I was satisfied with the casino's reputation, I would then be more likely to provide them with the required information.
You do not have to do the right thing at the wrong time. Before you should register on a gambling sute, you supposed to have researched about the gambling site, know if they are licensed and also know if they are reputed or not. If you are just checking for these important information after you won a big amount of money or when you want to withdraw, it might have been late. And if I tell you something, if anyone won huge amount of money like this, they will not even think twice before they will provide their KYC.


Title: Re: How Much do you Value your Privacy in Gambling?
Post by: DabsPoorVersion on October 20, 2023, 10:12:01 AM

Will you go ahead and provide them all they require from you for account verification, so they can process your withdrawal request, or will you willingly forfeit such amount of money back to the casino on the account that your private information is more expensive than that amount of money you have own from them?

This the tricky part about gambling privacy nowadays since some new casino risk their reputation just to dodge huge payout using their ToS. It’s nonsense to provide KYC on a relatively new casino if you won huge amount while they halt withdrawal using KYC requirements.

That’s why playing only with trusted casino for a long time is a must in online gambling so that when a big opportunity like this come then we can safely claim our rewards since we have forum.
To avoid from the requirement of submitting your identification, try reading their ToS before playing. KYC is always included in their ToS if it is being required upon withdrawal. Gambling house does not change it without prior notice to every player they have. Also, providing KYC to a new casino will always depend on their reputation. If you have doubts on using the gambling website, don't try to deposit and win against the house.

That would be better. If there's a casino that you truly trusted, better to stick with it. If trying new casino is out of your option, and if you are the type of gambler who wants to try different casinos, reach out to the people you know and have them suggest the casino they tried before.


Title: Re: How Much do you Value your Privacy in Gambling?
Post by: Cantsay on October 20, 2023, 10:16:15 AM
I have never won any amount that made a casino request for KYC (unless when it’s already stated that they require kyc right from the onset) to prove that I’m not involved in any unethical activity in their casino and whenever it comes to casino.

So in my case it is a very easy case because I have done KYC for a few casino so if I’m faced with the choose to complete KYC to be eligible for withdrawal I’ll go for it if the amount is something I can lose but if it’s just a tiny amount I might just abandon the account and move to a casino that I believe won’t request for KYC.



Title: Re: How Much do you Value your Privacy in Gambling?
Post by: cabron on October 20, 2023, 10:23:45 AM

Can you ask how much is the max withdrawal amount that the casino allow without having to submit KYC?
If they say $5000 can be withdrawn without having to send data, then that route may what a privacy concerned individual will go through to avoid handing out his documents.

Its probably what I would do as well. But I can understand some of us wants to withdraw the 70k.


Title: Re: How Much do you Value your Privacy in Gambling?
Post by: Hatchy on October 20, 2023, 10:37:22 AM
Will you go ahead and provide them all they require from you for account verification, so they can process your withdrawal request, or will you willingly forfeit such amount of money back to the casino on the account that your private information is more expensive than that amount of money you have own from them?
That's why it's highly recommended to use reputable casinos. It's very clear because new casinos could leak out or misuse your personal information. If I find myself in such a situation and I'm aware that the casino can't be trusted because it's new, I would avoid it. This is because, how can you be sure they will actually pay out large sums of money? They might just steal your data and make you go through all the KYC requirements, asking for more secure documents. Before using any casino, make sure you're familiar with their terms and conditions. Even if they don't initially require KYC, they might change their conditions in the future.


Title: Re: How Much do you Value your Privacy in Gambling?
Post by: MAAManda on October 20, 2023, 10:44:19 AM
So, let's assume you luckily won anything as from $70,000 and above with a total bet below $100, and to withdraw this money, or even part of it, the casino requires you to pass all levels of verification in their system, which means that you will have to provide them all your personally information down to the most private of them all, and this casino is relatively new and you are not sure about their reputation.

Will you go ahead and provide them all they require from you for account verification, so they can process your withdrawal request, or will you willingly forfeit such amount of money back to the casino on the account that your private information is more expensive than that amount of money you have own from them?

$70,000 and you're still thinking about the reputation of a casino? believe me, if you were the one who needed that money, you would try to claim it no matter what. Even if it's a site that has been marked a scam on this forum, I will try to claim and do KYC there, but what fool would play on a site that has been marked as a scam ???.


Title: Re: How Much do you Value your Privacy in Gambling?
Post by: danherbias07 on October 20, 2023, 10:50:43 AM
I doubt a gambler would just forfeit that large sum of money in exchange for their privacy. We've seen the worst, giving out their information for a couple of bucks and below $20. If it's $1000 up then they would willingly provide everything, even their spouse's name.  ;D I am not really that sensitive when it comes to privacy maybe because I live in a place where they will take your information most of the time even for just exchanging a $100 bill in a money exchange site. Then, there's also the cashing out of money from digital money where they will also take your information just to be safe.
If I were in that position, I'd willingly give it out because that's my money now after I gamble my own money. We sometimes go hardcore with our privacy just because we are exposed to cryptocurrencies but there's actually no way we can keep it a secret all the time.


Title: Re: How Much do you Value your Privacy in Gambling?
Post by: coin-investor on October 20, 2023, 10:56:30 AM

So, let's assume you luckily won anything as from $70,000 and above with a total bet below $100, and to withdraw this money, or even part of it, the casino requires you to pass all levels of verification in their system, which means that you will have to provide them all your personally information down to the most private of them all, and this casino is relatively new and you are not sure about their reputation.
Living in a third world country this amount is already life changing for me and as a gambler playing for many years on KYC based casinos I'm fully aware the need to do KYC when you won a big amount, so I'm very much ready to do KYC as long as the casino I'm playing is reputable and they will let me withdraw my winnings after I finish my verification, but if its a new casino with no record if they are reputable I will just have to take a chance and hope that they will let me withdraw my winning setting up a casino is not cheap if they have a license then they have spent more than $70k to launch their site I can do a compromise and withdraw half of the amount.

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Will you go ahead and provide them all they require from you for account verification, so they can process your withdrawal request, or will you willingly forfeit such amount of money back to the casino on the account that your private information is more expensive than that amount of money you have own from them?

I can forfeit it if the casino is not reputable and is known to scam people even though you did KYC, KYC is something we have to accept when playing in a license casino if you cannot do a KYC then better play on contract based casinos.


Title: Re: How Much do you Value your Privacy in Gambling?
Post by: mvdheuvel1983 on October 20, 2023, 11:09:41 AM

Will you go ahead and provide them all they require from you for account verification, so they can process your withdrawal request, or will you willingly forfeit such amount of money back to the casino on the account that your private information is more expensive than that amount of money you have own from them?

I love to read your thoughts on this.
I once won a significant amount from one of the reputable casinos being advertised on this forum. Just like you said I didn't have to submit my kyc documents upon registration however after winning the significant amount and applied for withdrawal I was informed that I have to submit my kyc documents before my application is granted. Because it was a significant amount it took me two days to go back and forth with this casino on my kyc document. One of the documents was rejected several times and I had to get the exact one they needed before my request was granted. I didn't mind about my privacy because for a casino to be advertised on this forum buy reputable campaign managers then I had no reason to be scared.


Title: Re: How Much do you Value your Privacy in Gambling?
Post by: Text on October 20, 2023, 11:17:50 AM
You do not have to do the right thing at the wrong time. Before you should register on a gambling sute, you supposed to have researched about the gambling site, know if they are licensed and also know if they are reputed or not. If you are just checking for these important information after you won a big amount of money or when you want to withdraw, it might have been late. And if I tell you something, if anyone won huge amount of money like this, they will not even think twice before they will provide their KYC.
You make a really valid point, and I completely agree with your perspective. I should have conducted those ways before getting involved or registering with any online casino or gambling platform. Waiting until I've won a substantial amount of money or when I'm ready to withdraw could indeed be too late, and this might lead to unnecessary complications. I appreciate your insight, and it's a valuable reminder for everyone to prioritize research and ensure the legitimacy and reputation of the casino beforehand. Thank you for sharing this wisdom!


Title: Re: How Much do you Value your Privacy in Gambling?
Post by: libert19 on October 20, 2023, 11:26:43 AM
A lot. That's why I mostly gamble only at on-chain casinos, and crypto only. never ever have used fiat. Some require phone number as basic personal info, I find that excessive as well.

So, let's assume you luckily won anything as from $70,000 and above with a total bet below $100, and to withdraw this money, or even part of it, the casino requires you to pass all levels of verification in their system, which means that you will have to provide them all your personally information down to the most private of them all, and this casino is relatively new and you are not sure about their reputation.

Will you go ahead and provide them all they require from you for account verification, so they can process your withdrawal request, or will you willingly forfeit such amount of money back to the casino on the account that your private information is more expensive than that amount of money you have own from them?

I love to read your thoughts on this.

Will do some research about casino (in irl scenario, research would be prior to using casino itself), if reviews say fraudent there is no point in doing kyc, plus I wouldn't be surprised if your winning was due to casino's trick to make you give up personal info. If that's not the case, I'd wait until casino builds up some reputation and do kyc.



Title: Re: How Much do you Value your Privacy in Gambling?
Post by: ethereumhunter on October 20, 2023, 11:26:52 AM
There must be a limit where casinos allow ordinary gamblers to withdraw their winnings without doing KYC. You can ask the support service before you decide. You should ask about this problem before you register to clarify whether we win a lot of money from the casino. And considering that the casino is still new, we also need to be careful because not all new casinos can be recommended casinos.

And I agree with what @cabron said: we can follow the rules by only withdrawing the winnings according to the minimum limits of the casino. That can prevent us from doing KYC. But if it turns out that the casino is lying about this, it's better for us to leave the casino even though we have earned a lot of money.


Title: Re: How Much do you Value your Privacy in Gambling?
Post by: Wexnident on October 20, 2023, 11:31:34 AM
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Hmm kind of a scary scenario. I'd probably do some background research first, heck might even ask a lawyer advice on what to do and whether the company is legit enough or not for me to risk it. I'm usually open to the idea (aka I don't mind KYC), but only on reputable casinos that I trust. Well, this is the reasonable me speaking here. If it was the "fuck it that's money" me, then I'd 100% do the KYC immediately, possibly rant about how slow their process is, and then rage on them when they say that I failed their KYC.

All in all I'd probably say I'd go for it. Regardless of how much I say gambling is for fun, $70k is $70k.


Title: Re: How Much do you Value your Privacy in Gambling?
Post by: piebeyb on October 20, 2023, 11:36:14 AM
It depends on the casino we play at, sometimes I also play at new casinos but just for small bets to try my luck there and maybe it's completely free from KYC, just fill in a little information about my personal data and I'm not asked to give my identity, but I'm more active in the casino is big and has a big reputation so it's no problem to complete the full KYC if I win big why not because it's for the money and can withdraw it to enjoy.

I'm not not respecting privacy but it's included in the rules of the game so why should I reject it, after all it's stupid gamblers who still respect privacy but try to play at a casino that stipulates KYC, the requirements still have to be respected so never consider it a big problem as long as you have it high reputation because I must have read the rules and didn't mind the requirements even though I was only a small gambler and never won big money. so it doesn't really provide full KYC at the casino. This is not just about assessing KYC with money, but don't be someone who is lazy about reading casino requirements so you don't get trapped because of this KYC.  ;D


Title: Re: How Much do you Value your Privacy in Gambling?
Post by: edmundduke on October 20, 2023, 11:37:30 AM
I never KYC in casinos that i do not have some trust in. There is almost nothing i can win there that would be worth more than me exposing all my personal details. This is why i usually only play in a few of the larger casinos (if i expect to win that is).
When i play in these smaller casinos (usually for testing) i never expect to withdraw. Even if i win a few hundred i ask teh suppot if it can be done without KYC, if not, i rain it or just yolo it. I would NEVER KYC for a random casino.


Title: Re: How Much do you Value your Privacy in Gambling?
Post by: 2Pizza410000BTC on October 20, 2023, 11:48:56 AM
So, for some days now, I've had this thought of "how much some people really value their privacy in gambling", like as a gambler, you signed up on a new casino and immediately, you are allowed to deposit and play without going through a KYC verification process like we do on some casinos immediately after registration.
You start playing and luckily, you won a significant amount of money.

I know the word "significant" can mean different values for different gamblers, so let's use figures i personally think are significant and capable of changing lives.

So, let's assume you luckily won anything as from $70,000 and above with a total bet below $100, and to withdraw this money, or even part of it, the casino requires you to pass all levels of verification in their system, which means that you will have to provide them all your personally information down to the most private of them all, and this casino is relatively new and you are not sure about their reputation.

Will you go ahead and provide them all they require from you for account verification, so they can process your withdrawal request, or will you willingly forfeit such amount of money back to the casino on the account that your private information is more expensive than that amount of money you have own from them?

I love to read your thoughts on this.
I value my privacy when it comes to gambling. Because my privacy is most precious to me. But if I won a huge amount of money in a casino and if there is verification of all my personal information to withdraw that money then of course I will verify my personal information in that case. Because no casino company can do any damage to my personal information which will cause me great loss. I think they can take my ID card, bank statement, and electricity bill information in case of account KYC. In this case I will never keep a secret but I will keep my gambling and betting winnings a secret. And I really need to keep all these things secret. Because in my country there are severe administrative penalties for gamblers and the people of the country look down on gambling.


Title: Re: How Much do you Value your Privacy in Gambling?
Post by: Orpichukwu on October 20, 2023, 11:50:33 AM
So, let's assume you luckily won anything as from $70,000 and above with a total bet below $100, and to withdraw this money, or even part of it, the casino requires you to pass all levels of verification in their system, which means that you will have to provide them all your personally information down to the most private of them all, and this casino is relatively new and you are not sure about their reputation.
If there is any possibility that I could run into any of these in a casino that I choose to gamble at, and there is no reputation to check how credible their service is, if my data will be secured in their hands or not, or even the assurance that after passing such verification I will be allowed to withdraw my winnings,
 
It will take me sometimes to think and decide on what to do next, but the truth of the matter is that I will end up giving it a try, because if there is any chance of me getting that money out of them, I will have to give them that benefit of doubt, and one way to confirm how legitimate they are is to pass that KYC and see if I will be allowed to withdrwal my winnings or not, because if I don't pass that KYC verification, I will never be allowed to withdrwal, so if there is any chance without thinking about the privacy implications, I will have to give it a try.



Title: Re: How Much do you Value your Privacy in Gambling?
Post by: wheelz1200 on October 20, 2023, 11:54:05 AM
If you don't trust the casino enough to give them your information if and when you win big then I would never play there to begin with.  Is'nt the whole point of playing those long shot odds to win the "big one".  Pretty simple to me no trust no play period.  I'd recommend the same for anyone else too.


Title: Re: How Much do you Value your Privacy in Gambling?
Post by: aioc on October 20, 2023, 11:56:22 AM

Will you go ahead and provide them all they require from you for account verification, so they can process your withdrawal request, or will you willingly forfeit such amount of money back to the casino on the account that your private information is more expensive than that amount of money you have own from them?

I love to read your thoughts on this.

I seldom play in a new casino but if this happens and the amount is very huge and you ignore it you will have something to regret for the rest of your life, I can wait for a period of time until they establish their reputation and its safe to do KYC, so I can withdraw my winnings, there is no need to hurry and I don't think they will force you to withdraw your winnings and ask you to do KYC.
If it is possible to withdraw a small portion of my winnings without doing KYC, then I'll take that option, the only thing that you need to worry about is that you play all your winnings which could result in losing everything.


Title: Re: How Much do you Value your Privacy in Gambling?
Post by: avp2306 on October 20, 2023, 12:00:59 PM
If you don't trust the casino enough to give them your information if and when you win big then I would never play there to begin with.  Is'nt the whole point of playing those long shot odds to win the "big one".  Pretty simple to me no trust no play period.  I'd recommend the same for anyone else too.

Hard to settle up on something we don't like that's the reason why we shouldn't buy those stint by new casino claiming that they will not require this KYC to their clients since this is just for marketing and would provably ask on e a player could able to win a large amount of money and this is how the risk start on our end.

Its important for us to know which casino is reputable so that we can assure that we are safe and no further question will be ask since we are now willing to submit our Kyc since they are trusted casino. So for other they shouldn't settle for less since there are the best casino exist and more reliable to trust rather than gambling for another time if we will get a problem with them or not.


Title: Re: How Much do you Value your Privacy in Gambling?
Post by: bitbollo on October 20, 2023, 12:02:42 PM
A lot! Privacy Is a must in any aspect of the Life in my opinion.
There are many many reason that requires to share only some bets or some strategies.

In my country (Italy) legal bookmakers are fully traced so its useless try to make some "tricks" without declaring wins or using doubtful funds.

Morover its better not share the passion of gambling with close friend: likewise ... you're betting so much and can't offer a loan or etc etc....?!?


Title: Re: How Much do you Value your Privacy in Gambling?
Post by: Kelvinid on October 20, 2023, 12:09:36 PM
I prefer to gamble on a trusted site and I am willing to do KYC if necessary.
But in the situation that you have cited OP and assumed that I won $70,000 from a new gambling site, I should have to think about it deeply before making a decision. It was really a huge winning and the temptation is there but we also think what if after KYC they will block you and never send you money for some allegation like -cheating? No way to take back our info there and that is one reason why we should choose ONLY reputable sites as we believe that our personal information has been kept right.


Title: Re: How Much do you Value your Privacy in Gambling?
Post by: Jawhead999 on October 20, 2023, 12:11:25 PM
If you gamble in a centralized casino where you need to sign up or open an account, it's mean you're already share your identity, at least your IP address, email address, username and the Bitcoin address you use.

The only way to stay anonymous during gambling is the site is supporting Tor, which I still not find such trusted casino that support Tor.


Title: Re: How Much do you Value your Privacy in Gambling?
Post by: Latviand on October 20, 2023, 12:21:49 PM
I don't know if this will make sense to anyone but if I were to describe my valuation of my privacy, I would compare it to someone who would choose a shady casino that doesn't do any KYC. I think that that's how intense I value my privacy. If I put it in simple terms, I'd rather risk my money than for some random entity online to have my information which I know that they're going to have a lot of use when they get it. Maybe my mindset of not being attached on material things helps me formulate towards that privacy valuation so this might not be making sense to others.


Title: Re: How Much do you Value your Privacy in Gambling?
Post by: Mr. Magkaisa on October 20, 2023, 12:25:05 PM
     -   In real life, if I win $70,000 in gambling, I will give them everything they need, as long as I get that amount. That is a huge amount here in our country. Also, if I know that the casino is reputable, I will not regret giving my personal data information.

Because knowing that a reputable casino won't let them be ruined for just that amount in exchange for their ruin, there is a tendency to lose gamblers from their platform. So I won't mind if they find out who I really am, and besides, I'm not a wanted person, so it's fine.


Title: Re: How Much do you Value your Privacy in Gambling?
Post by: Fivestar4everMVP on October 20, 2023, 12:43:43 PM
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First, any casino that do this is not to be trusted and the intention might likely to deny you the money or make the conditions a little difficult to check if you will give up on the funds.
Aside that any casino that does this is not to be trusted, that it might be their way to try to make you give up your winning, i can tell you for sure that casino di this a lot, that is, they allow gamblers to deposit and play without KYC verification, but would request or ask the gamblers to pass KYC before the gambler's withdrawal request will be processed. This is something i believe a lot of us here can bear witness to, since it is not something that is peculiar to online gambling casinos alone, but used to be very common with some crypto currency exchanges as well.

Though i must confess to the fact that this kind of attitude have greatly reduced in casinos, but between 5 casinos that a gambler is playing on without passing KYC verification, one or two of that casinos will or may likely do this if the gambler wins a substantial sum of money and wants to withdraw it.



Title: Re: How Much do you Value your Privacy in Gambling?
Post by: Lucius on October 20, 2023, 12:50:32 PM
I think that the answer to that question is best known by those who lost their privacy because their personal data was leaked somewhere, or even more so by those who became victims of identity theft or perhaps even targeted physical attacks due to the leakage of personal data.

For someone, personal data may be worth a profit of $70k, for someone else it is worth much more than that. I assume that for those who are passionate gamblers and want to do it from the comfort of their own home, there is no choice when it comes to privacy - some others will find a physical casino and all they have to do is prove that they are old enough to gamble.


Title: Re: How Much do you Value your Privacy in Gambling?
Post by: bittraffic on October 20, 2023, 12:50:57 PM
If you gamble in a centralized casino where you need to sign up or open an account, it's mean you're already share your identity, at least your IP address, email address, username and the Bitcoin address you use.

The only way to stay anonymous during gambling is the site is supporting Tor, which I still not find such trusted casino that support Tor.

Would the IP, email, and username matter to the casinos or the KYC documents?

Because you can definitely just use someone else internet connection and throw away email for the purpose of playing on casinos.  But sending government IDs is totally different from what KYC files for they can know exactly where you live and even your siblings. I'm sure many of us are not ready to share those info but because they are not very conscious about it, some of us are just not minding it and send IDs.


Title: Re: How Much do you Value your Privacy in Gambling?
Post by: 0t3p0t on October 20, 2023, 12:51:10 PM
Before submitting KYC I think we have to check first the legitimacy of any casino sites we are planning to get in. Privacy is one of the important thing we need to consider when interacting with gambling sites. This is also the reason why I myself usually don't play online gambling sites before because of KYC. I only gamble with lottery in an outlet. If ever I won the $70,000 pot on an online gambling site I will make sure it is legitimate before handling over my personal information as a requirement for withdrawal.


Title: Re: How Much do you Value your Privacy in Gambling?
Post by: Eternad on October 20, 2023, 01:11:34 PM
Still playing on a centralized services such as casino that has a clear statement about potential KYC in the future means you are already surrendering your privacy to the casino win or lose.

People that value their privacy shouldn’t be using any kind of centralized services all of them automatically stole it from you the moment you register and deposit unless you don’t have any plan on withdrawing your money out of the services at all. With this knowledge in mind, I believe I will submit my KYC to have a shot to my profit since I’m already prepared to submit KYC the moment I use the casino.

Denying to the win just to avoid KYC doesn’t make sense since why you are playing on a casino at all that has a potential KYC requirements on their terms.


Title: Re: How Much do you Value your Privacy in Gambling?
Post by: Awaklara on October 20, 2023, 01:12:14 PM
Will you go ahead and provide them all they require from you for account verification, so they can process your withdrawal request, or will you willingly forfeit such amount of money back to the casino on the account that your private information is more expensive than that amount of money you have own from them?

For me, privacy is important, but for some platforms I don't really care about the KYC I do.
but in the case of a new casino, I usually do a test first for deposits and withdrawals. especially when we claim the bonuses usually given by new casinos. a few spins and get a win, try making a withdrawal. If it is successful and smooth, I will continue using the casino, even though I have a favorite casino.
if the case is a big win, although I have never had anything like that from a new casino. What is clear is that we have to look for information regarding their reputation. If so and you don't have any problems with the privacy and KYC data requested, just do it. That's a big win, it definitely also affects your psychology in making decisions.


Title: Re: How Much do you Value your Privacy in Gambling?
Post by: panjul07 on October 20, 2023, 01:21:25 PM
So, let's assume you luckily won anything as from $70,000 and above with a total bet below $100, and to withdraw this money, or even part of it, the casino requires you to pass all levels of verification in their system, which means that you will have to provide them all your personally information down to the most private of them all, and this casino is relatively new and you are not sure about their reputation.

Will you go ahead and provide them all they require from you for account verification, so they can process your withdrawal request, or will you willingly forfeit such amount of money back to the casino on the account that your private information is more expensive than that amount of money you have own from them?

First of all, why would I play in casino that I have no idea about the reputation? Even if for small deposit, I would not do it in unknown casinos.
Secondly, 70k is a huge amount for those who live in 3rd world countries like me so I'll do follow the steps asked by the casino where I play (of course reputable casino) in order to withdraw the $70k.
Last but not least, if it happen accidently that I played and won that big amount of money in a non reputable casino, I'll do more researches first before providing by personal documents.
If I can find some valid information that the casino is doing bad things with KYC (to reject withdrawal even after KYC is done), probably I'll not do it but it is still worth to gamble (do the KYC) because we never know if we dont try.


Title: Re: How Much do you Value your Privacy in Gambling?
Post by: Saisher on October 20, 2023, 01:23:36 PM
This is not easy it is a choice between your privacy and the money that you're dreaming of having, my choice is will take a chance but withdraw only half of it since it is a new casino they are not yet in profit, I will also let them know that I have an active account here in Bitcointalk and will post a testimonial that I have received my payout but of course they need to have an account here, I don't want to spam the forum by promoting a casino that does not have an announcement here.


Title: Re: How Much do you Value your Privacy in Gambling?
Post by: Docnaster on October 20, 2023, 01:32:15 PM
So, let's assume you luckily won anything as from $70,000 and above with a total bet below $100, and to withdraw this money, or even part of it, the casino requires you to pass all levels of verification in their system, which means that you will have to provide them all your personally information down to the most private of them all, and this casino is relatively new and you are not sure about their reputation.

Will you go ahead and provide them all they require from you for account verification, so they can process your withdrawal request, or will you willingly forfeit such amount of money back to the casino on the account that your private information is more expensive than that amount of money you have own from them?

First of all, why would I play in casino that I have no idea about the reputation? Even if for small deposit, I would not do it in unknown casinos.
Secondly, 70k is a huge amount for those who live in 3rd world countries like me so I'll do follow the steps asked by the casino where I play (of course reputable casino) in order to withdraw the $70k.
Last but not least, if it happen accidently that I played and won that big amount of money in a non reputable casino, I'll do more researches first before providing by personal documents.
If I can find some valid information that the casino is doing bad things with KYC (to reject withdrawal even after KYC is done), probably I'll not do it but it is still worth to gamble (do the KYC) because we never know if we dont try.

Unless it's not an adult who's not eligible enough to gamble, I don't see any wrong for a gambler to submit his full details in other to be fully verified by a gambling company so his payment can be processed accordingly.
Gambling isn't an illegal engagement as far as the gambler has reached the age of 18 and above so providing a gambling company your full details in other to access your winning shouldn't be a big deal. 


Title: Re: How Much do you Value your Privacy in Gambling?
Post by: Peanutswar on October 20, 2023, 01:46:09 PM
Actually this is one of the valuable things it consist of your information with your self that other people can be used with their illegal activity, there's a data privacy act that must need to submit by the gambling casino so any leakage of information from their users there's a sanction to them but i don't know if there's a case of it already.

Will you go ahead and provide them all they require from you for account verification, so they can process your withdrawal request, or will you willingly forfeit such amount of money back to the casino on the account that your private information is more expensive than that amount of money you have own from them?
I like going for reputable sites. If I win $70000, I do not care about KYC but the money won and I will do KYC immediately. What can be the problem is for the gambling site not to be capable of paying the money, it can not be a scam site that will sell people's KYC to other people to use. Also in reputed sites that you have use KYC to verify before, not that they are better because any site can misuse customers KYC.

With this large number of amount wins i guess ill do KYC too lol, people have a different perspectives, they want to keep themselves anonymous and safe and some others they don't really care too because there's no really safe in the internet, we encounter as always spammers and scammers trying to reach out us every time even though we didn't give any information we don't know where it came from.


Title: Re: How Much do you Value your Privacy in Gambling?
Post by: robelneo on October 20, 2023, 01:55:42 PM
It's unlikely that I'm going to play in a new casino without an announcement here or reviews coming from reputable sites, but if this happens to me I will delay my cashout and will ask Bitcointalk members first if anyone here received their cashout on the said casino and if they have scam accusations on review sites and on other forums, it's better to be safe than sorry, your winning will not disappear just because you delay your withdrawal.
I have doubts about newly launched casinos that they can cash out that huge amount of money, I will have to read their intention if they want to stay in this business for a long time.

Of course, the worst thing that could happen is you do a KYC and they delay it or accuse you of cheating so it's better to do your research and not gamble with your sensitive information, also check in their terms if KYC is mandatory for every cashout if there is a threshold then request a small amount, if they let you withdraw then its good and just withdraw your earnings if they proved that they are a reputable casino.


Title: Re: How Much do you Value your Privacy in Gambling?
Post by: Agbe on October 20, 2023, 02:08:20 PM
This is very good thread to discussion about the privacy of gamblers and I casino representatives should also participate in the discussion and also see others comments so they can see different feeling from gamblers. Normally the way I looked at it, gamblers have no privacy in casino because even if they (gamblers) are trying to be anonymous the casinos would like to ask the KYC and the information given to them is not only only in the database but also in the support term, and if the support term decide to leak the information then your information are no longer privacy. just like a popular saying on social media that "you friend told me not to tell you what you told him" ;D and whenever I remember this statement, it makes me laugh  ;D. The secret is always is within you and once you tell another person then it is no long secrete. Therefore, giving your information to a casino is no longer a privacy again.


Title: Re: How Much do you Value your Privacy in Gambling?
Post by: Westinhome on October 20, 2023, 02:08:53 PM

So, for some days now, I've had this thought of "how much some people really value their privacy in gambling", like as a gambler, you signed up on a new casino and immediately, you are allowed to deposit and play without going through a KYC verification process like we do on some casinos immediately after registration.
You start playing and luckily, you won a significant amount of money.

I know the word "significant" can mean different values for different gamblers, so let's use figures i personally think are significant and capable of changing lives.

So, let's assume you luckily won anything as from $70,000 and above with a total bet below $100, and to withdraw this money, or even part of it, the casino requires you to pass all levels of verification in their system, which means that you will have to provide them all your personally information down to the most private of them all, and this casino is relatively new and you are not sure about their reputation.

Will you go ahead and provide them all they require from you for account verification, so they can process your withdrawal request, or will you willingly forfeit such amount of money back to the casino on the account that your private information is more expensive than that amount of money you have own from them?

I love to read your thoughts on this.


Gambler will try to play the gambling with out the KYC,because they will try keep their identity hidden to the gambling website itself.The gambling allow the gambler to withdrew the big win after the kyc verification,it’s the process in the gambling.But some gambler will escalate the gambling site by this action,actually the gambler had forgot the fact the gambling sites asking KYC is just the procedure.You also providing the personal detail in personal to the gambling sites.So your information will be totally in the safer side.Only few gambler will ready to do the procedure describe by the gambling sites at the time of verification.


Title: Re: How Much do you Value your Privacy in Gambling?
Post by: Jemzx00 on October 20, 2023, 02:13:24 PM
I do value my privacy and avoid doing KYC as much as possible not only on gambling platforms but rather in most online platforms such as trading or crypto websites.

However, if I won a significant amount with just my usual bet amount per gambling session such as the amount mentioned, then I might try to double check the platform before proceeding with KYC verification specially that gambling platform is fairly new.


Title: Re: How Much do you Value your Privacy in Gambling?
Post by: ralle14 on October 20, 2023, 03:00:09 PM
Will you go ahead and provide them all they require from you for account verification, so they can process your withdrawal request, or will you willingly forfeit such amount of money back to the casino on the account that your private information is more expensive than that amount of money you have own from them?

I love to read your thoughts on this.
My answer is the same as most gamblers, and i'll submit my KYC (all levels) to withdraw $70k worth of winnings if it comes down to that or walk away with nothing. Even if it's a new casino, that amount of winnings is always worth a shot when most gamblers win less than that and would try to look for ways to withdraw the money from their account. Casinos would rarely cause inconvenience for their players unless they have to do it for security reasons because i've seen a few casinos willing to delay their transactions only to avoid losses.


Title: Re: How Much do you Value your Privacy in Gambling?
Post by: uneng on October 20, 2023, 03:03:45 PM
Will you go ahead and provide them all they require from you for account verification, so they can process your withdrawal request, or will you willingly forfeit such amount of money back to the casino on the account that your private information is more expensive than that amount of money you have own from them?
Since I was playing at a casino containing such rules I would be already aware about the fact I had to delivery my personal informations any moment, if asked. So it wouldn't be an issue, due to it being already predictable to happen at some point. Someone who isn't willing to give his personal data to gambling platforms shouldn't be gambling on them, at first point. It's like wishing to go swimming, without getting wet on the process. Anyway, our private information is everywhere on this digital world. If a leak it's not going to happen through a casino, it will happen through a government's agency or your banking company. The best way to live nowadays is having nothing to hide!


Title: Re: How Much do you Value your Privacy in Gambling?
Post by: CryptSafe on October 20, 2023, 03:18:55 PM
At first it is advisable for one to read Terms of Service before engaging with a casino so that in the nearest future if one wins big, there would not be any issues but the truth remains the same that whether KYC or no KYC, casinos are very funny sometimes and that is when a gambler wins big on a casino the gambler should expect to see the casino in action to start demanding for documents wether KYC free or not.

If I were to be the one, since I have been playing on that casino and have been recording losses, I don't think I would leave such, looking at the amount involved and the previous loss I have recorded with the casino. Maybe luck just shine on me for compensation for what I have lost. Since they need KYC I'll do it and walk away with my money and never return to the casino again because doing that, it might likely be difficult for you to win a game there again so it is best you do the KYC take your money and leave the casino for good.


Title: Re: How Much do you Value your Privacy in Gambling?
Post by: qwertyup23 on October 20, 2023, 03:25:46 PM
Well when it comes to gambling, I value my privacy as much as my security. That is why, I am somehow hesitant to share my personal information (or KYC) to gambling websites that are relatively new in the space. Even if the latter has better rewards than your traditional online casino, I still value my personal information higher.

This is the reason on why I mostly gamble on gambling websites that have a well-known reputation in the cryptocurrency world. This means that I am at least assured that my information is kept with secrecy and privacy- and that is my only guarantee in which I am hoping for.


Title: Re: How Much do you Value your Privacy in Gambling?
Post by: RockBell on October 20, 2023, 03:39:25 PM
At first it is advisable for one to read Terms of Service before engaging with a casino so that in the nearest future if one wins big, there would not be any issues but the truth remains the same that whether KYC or no KYC, casinos are very funny sometimes and that is when a gambler wins big on a casino the gambler should expect to see the casino in action to start demanding for documents wether KYC free or not.

If I were to be the one, since I have been playing on that casino and have been recording losses, I don't think I would leave such, looking at the amount involved and the previous loss I have recorded with the casino. Maybe luck just shine on me for compensation for what I have lost. Since they need KYC I'll do it and walk away with my money and never return to the casino again because doing that, it might likely be difficult for you to win a game there again so it is best you do the KYC take your money and leave the casino for good.
Many people have trouble reading the terms and conditions because I'm occasionally lazy to do so, but I've since learned my lesson. It's crucial to know the company's policy because if you win big, they might ask for documents that were mentioned in the terms and conditions but were overlooked by the user. And from this or anyone encounter any problem with casinos they would want to blame the casino forgetting it is them that did not pay attention.

And if not for our greed once I have encountered to many problems I will just withdraw my funds, having to much record of loses is not good so, and with this record I will rethink my action and do what is best for me.


Title: Re: How Much do you Value your Privacy in Gambling?
Post by: yahoo62278 on October 20, 2023, 03:48:38 PM
I personally dislike KYC as it is way too invasive. I would rather sign up for a casino, deposit, play and win or lose, be able to wd if I won. We have seen many examples of casinos not keeping our info safe, so there's no way I am giving them anything.

I would choose not to play on a casino if KYC is mandatory.


Title: Re: How Much do you Value your Privacy in Gambling?
Post by: avikz on October 20, 2023, 04:10:39 PM

So, let's assume you luckily won anything as from $70,000 and above with a total bet below $100, and to withdraw this money, or even part of it, the casino requires you to pass all levels of verification in their system, which means that you will have to provide them all your personally information down to the most private of them all, and this casino is relatively new and you are not sure about their reputation.

Will you go ahead and provide them all they require from you for account verification, so they can process your withdrawal request, or will you willingly forfeit such amount of money back to the casino on the account that your private information is more expensive than that amount of money you have own from them?

I love to read your thoughts on this.

70 grand is definitely a significant amount in my country and definitely a life changing one. I personally will pay off my mortgage and will still have a good amount of money in hand which will give me a decent passive return if I am able to invest it wisely.

So personally I will go ahead and do the full KYC with the casino. But there will be some sanity checks done by me before I do that. I will read every possible reviews available in the internet and read through the discussion in this forum. If I am satisfied, I will go ahead with the KYC.


Title: Re: How Much do you Value your Privacy in Gambling?
Post by: Fivestar4everMVP on October 20, 2023, 04:21:31 PM
I personally dislike KYC as it is way too invasive. I would rather sign up for a casino, deposit, play and win or lose, be able to wd if I won. We have seen many examples of casinos not keeping our info safe, so there's no way I am giving them anything.

I would choose not to play on a casino if KYC is mandatory.
On the context that a gambler is wise enough to only engage in gambling on casinos where KYC is not mandatory or even nonexistence, and they are trusted to keep to this no matter how much the gambler wins and is withdrawing, then thats a very good thing.

But for the regular gambler out there who probably does not have a lot of experience with how important KYC is, i highly doubt such gambler will be willing to give up such and amount of money just in the name of not wanting their private information out there, and if should assume you to be in that possible, then you must be a very rich man to willingly forfeit such an amount of money back to the casino for the same reason as i said above.

For me, that sum is too big to ignore sincerely  ;D, i sure will give them whatever they want as long as i know that they would pay me my money, once i get the money in my wallet, i probably will quit gambling for live. ;D


Title: Re: How Much do you Value your Privacy in Gambling?
Post by: noormcs5 on October 20, 2023, 04:23:05 PM
I personally dislike KYC as it is way too invasive. I would rather sign up for a casino, deposit, play and win or lose, be able to wd if I won. We have seen many examples of casinos not keeping our info safe, so there's no way I am giving them anything.

I would choose not to play on a casino if KYC is mandatory.

Once you do the KYC at any site, whether it is gambling casino or a trading exchange, there is no grantee what would be the fate for our KYC. The documents are with them and they can use it whatever way they want. Its not about that the casino is trusted and they won't misuse it. How about any individual with access to the KYC data in that casino or site can use our documents illegally.

If anyone makes up his mind that he won't submit his KYC at any site, it will just limits his choices of the gambling sites where he can gamble as many of them will want the KYC to be mandatory.


Title: Re: How Much do you Value your Privacy in Gambling?
Post by: Wakate on October 20, 2023, 04:28:56 PM
This is not easy it is a choice between your privacy and the money that you're dreaming of having, my choice is will take a chance but withdraw only half of it since it is a new casino they are not yet in profit, I will also let them know that I have an active account here in Bitcointalk and will post a testimonial that I have received my payout but of course they need to have an account here, I don't want to spam the forum by promoting a casino that does not have an announcement here.
Choosing between gambling and private is Something we need to choose or we can stay in between. We still have the opinion to keep our privacy partially when we use non KYC casinos to gamble always which can keep us safe from our privacy being leaked to the public. Privacy is something we need to keep our eyes on because it can be very difficult for us to for to use different casino which non asking us for KYC whether it's a simple one or complete. There are some persons that do not care about privacy since the can always make money from betting to take care of there needs.


Title: Re: How Much do you Value your Privacy in Gambling?
Post by: CryptSafe on October 20, 2023, 04:29:54 PM
At first it is advisable for one to read Terms of Service before engaging with a casino so that in the nearest future if one wins big, there would not be any issues but the truth remains the same that whether KYC or no KYC, casinos are very funny sometimes and that is when a gambler wins big on a casino the gambler should expect to see the casino in action to start demanding for documents wether KYC free or not.

If I were to be the one, since I have been playing on that casino and have been recording losses, I don't think I would leave such, looking at the amount involved and the previous loss I have recorded with the casino. Maybe luck just shine on me for compensation for what I have lost. Since they need KYC I'll do it and walk away with my money and never return to the casino again because doing that, it might likely be difficult for you to win a game there again so it is best you do the KYC take your money and leave the casino for good.
Many people have trouble reading the terms and conditions because I'm occasionally lazy to do so, but I've since learned my lesson. It's crucial to know the company's policy because if you win big, they might ask for documents that were mentioned in the terms and conditions but were overlooked by the user. And from this or anyone encounter any problem with casinos they would want to blame the casino forgetting it is them that did not pay attention.

And if not for our greed once I have encountered to many problems I will just withdraw my funds, having to much record of loses is not good so, and with this record I will rethink my action and do what is best for me.

Of a truth many people find it difficult reading terms of service. They feel it is a waste of time as most times it is very lengthy to read. So for that some people skip it straight to getting registered. I have had such experience until I had an encounter, that was when I started taking my time to read terms of service if such project interests me to look into.  

People just ignore and assume the terms of service would be flexible with them not until they records a big win, that is when they realise they had made a mistake by not fulfilling their own part of the agreement by then if it a terms with time line unset from registration probably they must have missed it and for that reasons might forfeit their wins or otherwise. One just need be sensitive to terms of service for their own interest and safety before proceeding with any casino.


Title: Re: How Much do you Value your Privacy in Gambling?
Post by: Yatsan on October 20, 2023, 05:06:19 PM
With the given scenario, I would probably aim to claim my winnings and that included following KYC Procedures. Well, I do value my privacy as a gambler but on the same extent, it is the same reason why I do only play on popular and reputable gambling sites. Well indeed there’ll be no assurance that risks concerning my privacy might take place however, do I have any other choice? For sire I won’t let that money go. You already win and the requirement is already there; best thing to do is to just comply and if you’re not comfortable with it then avoid playing to that platform after you claim your prize. From being in this industry for years, I have never encountered problems related to KYC Compliance and that is probably because the platforms I usually engage myself with has a reputaion and for sure they won’t throw it for such small amount in comparison to how much they are earning to most of its players.


Title: Re: How Much do you Value your Privacy in Gambling?
Post by: macson on October 20, 2023, 05:18:59 PM
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Will you go ahead and provide them all they require from you for account verification, so they can process your withdrawal request, or will you willingly forfeit such amount of money back to the casino on the account that your private information is more expensive than that amount of money you have own from them?

I love to read your thoughts on this.
If i win big at a new casino and they require me to do KYC then of course big doubts will come over me, i will definitely immediately rack my brain and do a little tricky thing to keep my privacy safe, that is by paying someone to do KYC for me.  i don't easily trust casino gambling sites that are relatively new, of course their system is still not well conceptualized and also the money they hold is not necessarily that much, rather than exposing my personal data to their site, it's better for me to pay someone a little money and do it KYC for me (just my thoughts, don't copy it lol)


Title: Re: How Much do you Value your Privacy in Gambling?
Post by: Zlantann on October 20, 2023, 05:35:09 PM
Will you go ahead and provide them all they require from you for account verification, so they can process your withdrawal request, or will you willingly forfeit such amount of money back to the casino on the account that your private information is more expensive than that amount of money you have own from them?

I love to read your thoughts on this.

The terms of service should be the binding document in such a situation. If it stimulates that gamblers should do KYC verification after a certain amount is won, then it is a worthy process. But if the casino just came up with this policy because of this win, then it is suspicious. But $70,000 is too big to be forfeited because of KYC. However, It is better to use a reputable casino because such an amount is too small to make them tarnish their hard-earned reputation.

Hmm kind of a scary scenario. I'd probably do some background research first, heck might even ask a lawyer advice on what to do and whether the company is legit enough or not for me to risk it. I'm usually open to the idea (aka I don't mind KYC), but only on reputable casinos that I trust. Well, this is the reasonable me speaking here. If it was the "fuck it that's money" me, then I'd 100% do the KYC immediately, possibly rant about how slow their process is, and then rage on them when they say that I failed their KYC.

All in all I'd probably say I'd go for it. Regardless of how much I say gambling is for fun, $70k is $70k.

Doing research on the casino before betting is like leaping before watching. The first step to take before using any casino is to search to check the reputation or history of the betting platform. After a big win, you are at the mercy of the casino and you have to do whatever they say to withdraw your big win.


Title: Re: How Much do you Value your Privacy in Gambling?
Post by: Sandra_hakeem on October 20, 2023, 06:03:54 PM
Will you go ahead and provide them all they require from you for account verification, so they can process your withdrawal request, or will you willingly forfeit such amount of money back to the casino on the account that your private information is more expensive than that amount of money you have own from them?

Do you have a choice ?? If you actually won a game already on the site, what's the point of retracting? When all you gotta do to is agree on providing these valid informations?...you don't even have a reserved right to argue about that mhan..
Sometimes in life, you gotta look beyond your boundaries just to get what you want... Cus the reality is - nobody cares... Doing what's obtainable in life for every organisation is imperative.

Sandra 🧑‍🦰


Title: Re: How Much do you Value your Privacy in Gambling?
Post by: goldkingcoiner on October 20, 2023, 06:26:17 PM
I tend to value my privacy in all areas of life, not only in the ever-growing gambling sphere. I also think that nobody should be as relaxed and ignorant as you be giving away their own freedoms so easily. Privacy is a core freedom which should never be given away.

Getting your freedom to privacy back is infinitely more difficult than keeping it.


Title: Re: How Much do you Value your Privacy in Gambling?
Post by: knowngunman on October 20, 2023, 06:41:39 PM
Will you go ahead and provide them all they require from you for account verification, so they can process your withdrawal request, or will you willingly forfeit such amount of money back to the casino on the account that your private information is more expensive than that amount of money you have own from them?

I love to read your thoughts on this.

Such amount is huge that I can not just forfeit for the casino just like that. I understand the importance of my privacy and I value my privacy a lot but winning such amount and forfeit it for privacy sake will be a mistake to me. If you have not been engaging in any suspicious act, I think you have nothing to fear in providing your identity. He whose hands are clean has nothing to worry about and besides we have been providing our identity to commercial banks. Some of these banks stop to function after some years while some are still functioning and nothing is happening regarding the personal information we share with them. I don't see any tangible thing casino can do with ones identity information other than tracing if you involved in questionable acts. I will provide the casino my identity if necessary to withdraw such amount.


Title: Re: How Much do you Value your Privacy in Gambling?
Post by: coolcoinz on October 20, 2023, 06:42:26 PM
So, let's assume you luckily won anything as from $70,000 and above with a total bet below $100, and to withdraw this money, or even part of it, the casino requires you to pass all levels of verification in their system, which means that you will have to provide them all your personally information down to the most private of them all, and this casino is relatively new and you are not sure about their reputation.

For that amount of money, I'd go through verification and risk my private data being stolen.
In my country, I can easily change my ID, claiming that I lost it. It costs something like $20 in fees and takes a week to process and I get a new one with a fresh picture and all.
For $70k it would be worth for me to even close my all bank accounts, or rent a flat somewhere to be able to fake a proof of residency.

Anyway, there are options to safeguard your identity if it's a one time only KYC for a lot of money.
I'm against KYC most of the time and I've never done it for low amounts of money, but for more than $70k, I would do it. Too much money to let it go.


Title: Re: How Much do you Value your Privacy in Gambling?
Post by: bbigtart on October 20, 2023, 07:01:24 PM

Will you go ahead and provide them all they require from you for account verification, so they can process your withdrawal request, or will you willingly forfeit such amount of money back to the casino on the account that your private information is more expensive than that amount of money you have own from them?

I love to read your thoughts on this.
Personally, in a situation like the one you describe, I would do KYC for the $70k withdrawal requirement. Firstly, of course this is not a small winning amount. If the gambling site requires me to do KYC, I will do it.

However, according to the applicable regulations, before carrying out KYC, I will check again whether this gambling site is trustworthy or a scam. That's why it is very important that before gambling we must be really careful in choosing a gambling site so that at times like this we hesitate to carry out KYC.


Title: Re: How Much do you Value your Privacy in Gambling?
Post by: shogun47 on October 20, 2023, 07:45:15 PM

So, for some days now, I've had this thought of "how much some people really value their privacy in gambling", like as a gambler, you signed up on a new casino and immediately, you are allowed to deposit and play without going through a KYC verification process like we do on some casinos immediately after registration.
You start playing and luckily, you won a significant amount of money.

I know the word "significant" can mean different values for different gamblers, so let's use figures i personally think are significant and capable of changing lives.

So, let's assume you luckily won anything as from $70,000 and above with a total bet below $100, and to withdraw this money, or even part of it, the casino requires you to pass all levels of verification in their system, which means that you will have to provide them all your personally information down to the most private of them all, and this casino is relatively new and you are not sure about their reputation.

Will you go ahead and provide them all they require from you for account verification, so they can process your withdrawal request, or will you willingly forfeit such amount of money back to the casino on the account that your private information is more expensive than that amount of money you have own from them?

I love to read your thoughts on this.

If I decide to gamble, doesn't it make sense that I do it because I hope for the little chance to become true and I can hit the jackpot? If I decide to avoid KYC at all cost from the very beginning, why would I decide to gamble at all? There is really a contradiction although I understand what you are talking about. But when I deposit money at a casino, I am also prepared to provide all required info in case I hit a massive jackpot. There is a lower limit though and I would probably not provide KYC for $100, but for the reason that the casino advertised to be rather non-kyc when then they play the KYC card. That alone would be suspicious.


Title: Re: How Much do you Value your Privacy in Gambling?
Post by: rahmad2nd on October 20, 2023, 07:53:07 PM
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Will you go ahead and provide them all they require from you for account verification, so they can process your withdrawal request, or will you willingly forfeit such amount of money back to the casino on the account that your private information is more expensive than that amount of money you have own from them?

I love to read your thoughts on this.

First of all, I don't have the right answer to the question you asked. second, the point we discussed when we won at the new casino we played at. Then, we are required to fulfill every verification by one of the new casinos as a condition for withdrawing money from the results we win in our gambling sessions. Well, actually it all depends on each gambler. If they deem it appropriate to carry out verification, in return we can withdraw the winnings we get. So, it's back to the game for every gambler. Yep, like I said above. Honestly, I don't like the option of saying something that hasn't actually happened yet. So, we are here just speculating or assuming.

But okay, I will try to answer according to my version. Before I decide to get involved in a casino, even a new casino, as usual we have to take the first regulatory steps to ensure that we are playing in the right casino even if it is a new casino. which means, taking action to do research first whether the casino can be trusted as if it has material that is compatible with casinos that already exist and can be trusted. if so, someone may be eligible to carry out such verification.
anyway, there's no harm in it. It's just that, because we already have the most favorite and very trusted casino with the reputation they have. Should we try to play at a new casino, which has not been proven to be trustworthy or not? So ideally, I would still choose a casino that has become our favorite rather than having to do verification again and not necessarily guaranteeing that we can withdraw the money we win.


Title: Re: How Much do you Value your Privacy in Gambling?
Post by: Davidvictorson on October 20, 2023, 08:08:52 PM
Will you go ahead and provide them all they require from you for account verification, so they can process your withdrawal request, or will you willingly forfeit such amount of money back to the casino on the account that your private information is more expensive than that amount of money you have own from them?
If a anybody is worried about their privacy, then they shouldn't be using any device that has internet connectivity. So long you can connect to the internet, you have given up your privacy. Any gambler who values their privacy shouldn't register to play at any online casino. They should just stick with brick and mortar which doesn't guarantee any privacy too. We gave up our privacy the moment we logged in to the computer and registered on the casino website.


Title: Re: How Much do you Value your Privacy in Gambling?
Post by: Oilacris on October 20, 2023, 08:14:25 PM

So, for some days now, I've had this thought of "how much some people really value their privacy in gambling", like as a gambler, you signed up on a new casino and immediately, you are allowed to deposit and play without going through a KYC verification process like we do on some casinos immediately after registration.
You start playing and luckily, you won a significant amount of money.

I know the word "significant" can mean different values for different gamblers, so let's use figures i personally think are significant and capable of changing lives.

So, let's assume you luckily won anything as from $70,000 and above with a total bet below $100, and to withdraw this money, or even part of it, the casino requires you to pass all levels of verification in their system, which means that you will have to provide them all your personally information down to the most private of them all, and this casino is relatively new and you are not sure about their reputation.

Will you go ahead and provide them all they require from you for account verification, so they can process your withdrawal request, or will you willingly forfeit such amount of money back to the casino on the account that your private information is more expensive than that amount of money you have own from them?

I love to read your thoughts on this.
Majority will definitely be passing up their documents or simply to comply with those verification process specially if we are talking about a significant win on which it could really be potentially that changed up your life or something  that do really make a huge use for you and you wont really be caring about being anonymous or what. First things first, would you really be that considering on making up some huge deposit on a new gambling site? i highly doubt that you would really be doing such thing but if you a just betting some few hundreds and hits up some jackpot then this is where things that making you worry which just like been said that not all new sites turns out to be legit. There are really those places which ends up on being scam after some users do hit up some jackpot.

This is why it would really be always raises up that question whether you would be getting paid or not basing up into that sites or platforms reputation on which we cant really be
able to tell whether it would really be that legit or not. In regarding on the main question then 90% of us would definitely be that passing those verifications no matter what
as long we could really be able to get that winning.


Title: Re: How Much do you Value your Privacy in Gambling?
Post by: Renampun on October 20, 2023, 08:15:06 PM
Will you go ahead and provide them all they require from you for account verification, so they can process your withdrawal request, or will you willingly forfeit such amount of money back to the casino on the account that your private information is more expensive than that amount of money you have own from them?
If a anybody is worried about their privacy, then they shouldn't be using any device that has internet connectivity. So long you can connect to the internet, you have given up your privacy. Any gambler who values their privacy shouldn't register to play at any online casino. They should just stick with brick and mortar which doesn't guarantee any privacy too. We gave up our privacy the moment we logged in to the computer and registered on the casino website.

I agree with you, when we are connected to the internet our privacy is really no longer safe, but what OP discussed is actually very different from what you said, OP said what would you do when a new gambling site wants your personal data? you win big to make a withdrawal, to be honest I will definitely do the KYC, I'm not too strict with my personal data, even my personal data in the government might have been exposed so that's why not do the KYC to make a withdrawal, if it's a gambling site was cheating so I just surrender, there's nothing I can do, I just bet for it.


Title: Re: How Much do you Value your Privacy in Gambling?
Post by: Frankolala on October 20, 2023, 08:18:35 PM
Currently most reputable casinos ask for KYC verification and any casino that you are gambling on that don't ask got KYC verification, will definitely ask when you win big amount of money like the amount that you stated OP. I don't see why KYC verification should be a problem for one to provide for him to claim his wins.

I will provide them with my KYC verification is the casino asks for it to be done before I can make withdrawal, who knows if I wouldn't be lucky to win such huge amount again, and I will just let it go like that because I don't trust the casino NO. This is the reason why you must gamble in a reputable casino so that you can rest be assured that you documents are safe.


Title: Re: How Much do you Value your Privacy in Gambling?
Post by: salad daging on October 20, 2023, 08:20:39 PM
If the total capital is $100 then winning above $70K then it is clear that the casino will ask for verification of our documents to prove our authenticity in gambling is violating the rules or not, but I believe that many will do KYC verification rather than allowing it, it's a matter of money with a large amount of money especially $70K some do not care about their privacy because money is more important.

Regarding new or not reputable casinos, maybe some will try to convince themselves that they can withdraw all their winnings, but sometimes when they have provided documents but withdrawals are not processed, that is the problem that some gamblers will get angry because they feel cheated.

I myself will research the casino site, if it is convincing then I will do KYC verification.


Title: Re: How Much do you Value your Privacy in Gambling?
Post by: Dunamisx on October 20, 2023, 08:23:44 PM
So, let's assume you luckily won anything as from $70,000 and above with a total bet below $100, and to withdraw this money, or even part of it, the casino requires you to pass all levels of verification in their system, which means that you will have to provide them all your personally information down to the most private of them all, and this casino is relatively new and you are not sure about their reputation.

Will you go ahead and provide them all they require from you for account verification, so they can process your withdrawal request, or will you willingly forfeit such amount of money back to the casino on the account that your private information is more expensive than that amount of money you have own from them?

I will go ahead in providing every required informations needed in other for me to be able to make withdrawals of my money, if i don't then i should as well forget about it because they can never come down to my own request than when i go by theirs, didn't i know that such is KYC gambling casino before using them for my betting, i would have gone for one that does not require kyc right from the start.


Title: Re: How Much do you Value your Privacy in Gambling?
Post by: Quidat on October 20, 2023, 08:23:59 PM
Will you go ahead and provide them all they require from you for account verification, so they can process your withdrawal request, or will you willingly forfeit such amount of money back to the casino on the account that your private information is more expensive than that amount of money you have own from them?
If a anybody is worried about their privacy, then they shouldn't be using any device that has internet connectivity. So long you can connect to the internet, you have given up your privacy. Any gambler who values their privacy shouldn't register to play at any online casino. They should just stick with brick and mortar which doesn't guarantee any privacy too. We gave up our privacy the moment we logged in to the computer and registered on the casino website.

I agree with you, when we are connected to the internet our privacy is really no longer safe, but what OP discussed is actually very different from what you said, OP said what would you do when a new gambling site wants your personal data? you win big to make a withdrawal, to be honest I will definitely do the KYC, I'm not too strict with my personal data, even my personal data in the government might have been exposed so that's why not do the KYC to make a withdrawal, if it's a gambling site was cheating so I just surrender, there's nothing I can do, I just bet for it.
Exposed identity then yes, we've been long time had already been able to exposed ourselves when it comes to our information which its really that even into our daily living and dealing up with those typical information filling up onto those casual transactions physically then we had already that our information exposed.Then dealing up with something online and putting up those information
wont really be that an issue.There are people who are really that strict when it comes to their identity but there are ones who dont really care.

Just like the rest been saying on here that if the situation that do happens on this time then i would definitely be that not minding about passing up the KYC as long i could be able to
get that huge win then it wont really be an issue. If they wont really be giving that winning amount because they are scam then just simply move on but of course
you should really be needing to fight on your right since you've won it but of course when it comes to legitimacy then every new platform doesnt guarantee
that you are dealing with the right or legit stuff.


Title: Re: How Much do you Value your Privacy in Gambling?
Post by: Vaskiy on October 20, 2023, 08:42:38 PM
If the terms and conditions state the KYC of all levels to be verified, then I'll do it. If they hadn't mentioned anything on the terms and conditions, all of the sudden if they request for fulfilment of all levels of KYC then I'll think twice. However when big money awaits surely I'll complete the KYC to cashout the winnings.

If you ask the question to the gamblers for their reason to use cryptocurrency into gambling. The prime reason will be the privacy as most of the people who gamble doesn't want things to be exposed to the outer world.


Title: Re: How Much do you Value your Privacy in Gambling?
Post by: Gozie51 on October 20, 2023, 08:44:15 PM

Will you go ahead and provide them all they require from you for account verification, so they can process your withdrawal request, or will you willingly forfeit such amount of money back to the casino on the account that your private information is more expensive than that amount of money you have own from them?

I love to read your thoughts on this.

If I win 70,000 and KYC is required before I withdraw the money, it depends on how much I'm allowed to withdraw if it is by installment.

So there is three scenerios for this, if the withdrawal is substantial then I will render my identity as KYC.

If the withdrawal is in full or unlimited then I will not hesitate even as I can abandon the casino after withdrawal if I can be sure they are shady

Then lastly, I won't do the KYC if the money to be allowed to withdraw is very poor.


Title: Re: How Much do you Value your Privacy in Gambling?
Post by: virasog on October 20, 2023, 09:00:47 PM

Will you go ahead and provide them all they require from you for account verification, so they can process your withdrawal request, or will you willingly forfeit such amount of money back to the casino on the account that your private information is more expensive than that amount of money you have own from them?

I love to read your thoughts on this.

If I win 70,000 and KYC is required before I withdraw the money, it depends on how much I'm allowed to withdraw if it is by installment.

So there is three scenerios for this, if the withdrawal is substantial then I will render my identity as KYC.

If the withdrawal is in full or unlimited then I will not hesitate even as I can abandon the casino after withdrawal if I can be sure they are shady

Then lastly, I won't do the KYC if the money to be allowed to withdraw is very poor.


Are you talking about 70,000$ ? I don't think any site will let you withdraw this amount with the KYC. In most cases, the newly built casino may never approve your KYC when they come to know that you have 70,000$ amount in your account that you want to withdraw after successful KYC.

I don't think anyone will leave this amount with the gambling site and not opt for the KYC. For most people, money is more important than their KYC documents.

By the way, even if you abandon the shady casino after doing the KYC, the casino will keep your KYC data even if you close your account.


Title: Re: How Much do you Value your Privacy in Gambling?
Post by: maydna on October 20, 2023, 09:12:09 PM
If the casino is recommended, perhaps I will do KYC to withdraw my winnings. Trusted casinos will not cheat their members who have done KYC because the casino has checked their documents, and if the casino upgrades its status to verify, that means the casino trusts us so that we can withdraw the winnings. But if the casino were new, perhaps I would think twice about doing KYC because I don't want the casino to do something bad to my documents. I would rather lose the money than have to do KYC, especially if I don't know much about the casino because of the lack of information I can get.


Title: Re: How Much do you Value your Privacy in Gambling?
Post by: stomachgrowls on October 20, 2023, 09:18:26 PM

Will you go ahead and provide them all they require from you for account verification, so they can process your withdrawal request, or will you willingly forfeit such amount of money back to the casino on the account that your private information is more expensive than that amount of money you have own from them?

I love to read your thoughts on this.

If I win 70,000 and KYC is required before I withdraw the money, it depends on how much I'm allowed to withdraw if it is by installment.

So there is three scenerios for this, if the withdrawal is substantial then I will render my identity as KYC.

If the withdrawal is in full or unlimited then I will not hesitate even as I can abandon the casino after withdrawal if I can be sure they are shady

Then lastly, I won't do the KYC if the money to be allowed to withdraw is very poor.


Are you talking about 70,000$ ? I don't think any site will let you withdraw this amount with the KYC. In most cases, the newly built casino may never approve your KYC when they come to know that you have 70,000$ amount in your account that you want to withdraw after successful KYC.

I don't think anyone will leave this amount with the gambling site and not opt for the KYC. For most people, money is more important than their KYC documents.

By the way, even if you abandon the shady casino after doing the KYC, the casino will keep your KYC data even if you close your account.
So thats a double loss,right? This is why it would really be always recommended on making up some research first before making deposit on any site even if we do say on depositing a few hundreds then it wont really be still giving out that probability that you wont really be able to face up some issues specially on the time that you do hit up some huge wins. Dealing up with non popular or new site will really always having that risks for you not to get paid out on the time that you do win big and its true that people would really be valuing money rather with their own idnetity and even myself would really be no doubt on complying KYC as long i could get that
$70k winnin on which it is already that big or significant if its converted into our own local currency which you could already buy a car and make a house with that amount.

So it isnt surprising that majority will really be doing their best or doing all they can as to comply things that being asked just to get that amount no matter what the cost
but in the end if you are dealing with a scam site then it would really be just that hopeless and ending up on having none.
So its really that important that you should really be that making out deposits into those known sites or to those reputable ones so that you wont really be
experiencing such problem if ever you do make a big hit.


Title: Re: How Much do you Value your Privacy in Gambling?
Post by: Westinhome on October 20, 2023, 09:45:42 PM
With the given scenario, I would probably aim to claim my winnings and that included following KYC Procedures. Well, I do value my privacy as a gambler but on the same extent, it is the same reason why I do only play on popular and reputable gambling sites. Well indeed there’ll be no assurance that risks concerning my privacy might take place however, do I have any other choice? For sire I won’t let that money go. You already win and the requirement is already there; best thing to do is to just comply and if you’re not comfortable with it then avoid playing to that platform after you claim your prize. From being in this industry for years, I have never encountered problems related to KYC Compliance and that is probably because the platforms I usually engage myself with has a reputaion and for sure they won’t throw it for such small amount in comparison to how much they are earning to most of its players.

The gambler may refuse to verify the kyc till he win the money from the gambling,because the betting and deposit doesn’t require any kyc verification in the gambling sites.If the gambling site made the compulsory rule of kyc verification should be made to withdrew the big win made by you,then I will do my KYC and withdraw my funds from the gambling website.Not only you,most of the trusted gambler will choose the popular gambling site compared to the new and random gambling sites.Because we are the gambler will have the attitude of holding the funds in the gambling sites itself.So the old gambling site will be trusted most of the time.


Title: Re: How Much do you Value your Privacy in Gambling?
Post by: Johnyz on October 20, 2023, 09:46:51 PM
If the casino is recommended, perhaps I will do KYC to withdraw my winnings. Trusted casinos will not cheat their members who have done KYC because the casino has checked their documents, and if the casino upgrades its status to verify, that means the casino trusts us so that we can withdraw the winnings. But if the casino were new, perhaps I would think twice about doing KYC because I don't want the casino to do something bad to my documents. I would rather lose the money than have to do KYC, especially if I don't know much about the casino because of the lack of information I can get.
This is why the trust rating is very important because depend on this and we comply with their terms with a hope that our personal details will be safe from any harm. I actually have no choice but to comply with the KYC as most of the gambling site today have this requirements before you can actually maximize the platform’s full potential. I value my privacy of course in any way of life but if there’s a need to submit any personal details, I will follow it as long as its a good project or as long as the site is legit.


Title: Re: How Much do you Value your Privacy in Gambling?
Post by: BitcoinPanther on October 20, 2023, 09:53:43 PM
Given the situation by @OP,  I will definitely undergo KYC on that platform in order to withdraw the amount.  It is a life changing amount in my country where I can buy my own house, a car and some amount to start-up a business.  What is privacy when I am starving to death.  At least I can exchange my privacy to a life changing amount.  Besides, I am in hope that the platform will take care of my data and won't sell it in the market.  Besides, this is not my first time to undergo full KYC in a platform.  ;D



Title: Re: How Much do you Value your Privacy in Gambling?
Post by: Sanitough on October 20, 2023, 09:59:15 PM

So, for some days now, I've had this thought of "how much some people really value their privacy in gambling", like as a gambler, you signed up on a new casino and immediately, you are allowed to deposit and play without going through a KYC verification process like we do on some casinos immediately after registration.
You start playing and luckily, you won a significant amount of money.

I know the word "significant" can mean different values for different gamblers, so let's use figures i personally think are significant and capable of changing lives.

So, let's assume you luckily won anything as from $70,000 and above with a total bet below $100, and to withdraw this money, or even part of it, the casino requires you to pass all levels of verification in their system, which means that you will have to provide them all your personally information down to the most private of them all, and this casino is relatively new and you are not sure about their reputation.

Will you go ahead and provide them all they require from you for account verification, so they can process your withdrawal request, or will you willingly forfeit such amount of money back to the casino on the account that your private information is more expensive than that amount of money you have own from them?

I love to read your thoughts on this.
You will only worry your privacy if you chose to gamble in unreputable gambling sites. But if you are gambling in a well reputable casino, you will never think that your personal data is in danger. Your concern is no longer about KYC verification, but on how to make a big win and immediately withdraw after that.  And as long as you follow all their withdrawal requirements, then there will never be problems with that.

However, it does not mean that if we provide them the KYC they need, we do not value our privacy anymore. Of course, privacy is always there that's why we care to entrust our personal details only to our trusted casinos and not on the shady and gray casinos that are just there ready to scam us.


Title: Re: How Much do you Value your Privacy in Gambling?
Post by: alegotardo on October 21, 2023, 01:46:02 AM

So, for some days now, I've had this thought of "how much some people really value their privacy in gambling", like as a gambler, you signed up on a new casino and immediately, you are allowed to deposit and play without going through a KYC verification process like we do on some casinos immediately after registration.
You start playing and luckily, you won a significant amount of money.

~~~~

Hard question!

In the case of a reputable casino with a good reputation, I would certainly go through the required KYC process if necessary to be able to withdraw my prize.

However, if it's in a new casino and I don't have confidence in it, then it becomes more difficult...
Firstly, I would look for reviews and feedback, if I find a lot of negative things then I would certainly give up the prize, as the probability of doing KYC and still not receiving anything is very high.
But even if it is a new casino, if I find a good thread about it here on bitcointalk, and positive feedback, I would probably do KYC in hopes of receiving my prize.


Title: Re: How Much do you Value your Privacy in Gambling?
Post by: Lida93 on October 21, 2023, 07:20:30 AM

So, for some days now, I've had this thought of "how much some people really value their privacy in gambling", like as a gambler, you signed up on a new casino and immediately, you are allowed to deposit and play without going through a KYC verification process like we do on some casinos immediately after registration.
You start playing and luckily, you won a significant amount of money.

I know the word "significant" can mean different values for different gamblers, so let's use figures i personally think are significant and capable of changing lives.

So, let's assume you luckily won anything as from $70,000 and above with a total bet below $100, and to withdraw this money, or even part of it, the casino requires you to pass all levels of verification in their system, which means that you will have to provide them all your personally information down to the most private of them all, and this casino is relatively new and you are not sure about their reputation.

Will you go ahead and provide them all they require from you for account verification, so they can process your withdrawal request, or will you willingly forfeit such amount of money back to the casino on the account that your private information is more expensive than that amount of money you have own from them?

I love to read your thoughts on this.
First, any casino that do this is not to be trusted and the intention might likely to deny you the money or make the conditions a little difficult to check if you will give up on the funds.

Personally, I will submit the documents and do the KYC, provided I will be paid my winnings. We do KYC for minor things talk more of when $70k is involved. I know there are people that will think twice before submitting  such KYC but I don't belong to that category because the amount involved is huge and it is my wish I get to such a situation.
It is for the avoidance of this occurrence that gamblers that take too much importance to their privacy are told to make use of casino's that don't require kyc for withdrawal of any amount won thereafter sign up. Even as that some casinos may pretend to be a no KYC requirements casino but when a huge amount is involved they start giving kyc conditions for withdrawal.

It will be very hard to see any gambler that will voluntarily forfeit such huge amount of $70,000 we don't always see this amount on the green line everyday so just like you I'll render my KYC on the grounds that am assured of making the withdrawal after summiting.


Title: Re: How Much do you Value your Privacy in Gambling?
Post by: Natsuu on October 21, 2023, 07:35:58 AM
I completely understand the dilemma. Personally, I wouldn't play in a casino that isn't legit from the start. However, if I happened to find myself in this situation, having won $70,000, I would choose to submit the necessary requirements for verification. I mean, when dealing with a substantial amount, it's essential to follow the casino's procedures to claim the winnings. If it turns out that they are a nonreputable casino after my winnings, it will fall on their image and it will be cross out for me. After all, I only just bet $100

But preferrably, we should thoroughly research the casino's reputation and reviews before we put our bets especially if we are expecting a big prize. While privacy is incredibly valuable, in this scenario, following the verification process to receive that amount of money would be the logical choice for me.


Title: Re: How Much do you Value your Privacy in Gambling?
Post by: NeilLostBitCoin on October 21, 2023, 07:39:31 AM
Will you go ahead and provide them all they require from you for account verification, so they can process your withdrawal request, or will you willingly forfeit such amount of money back to the casino on the account that your private information is more expensive than that amount of money you have own from them?

I would ask if the casino is legitimate in this forum if it's relatively new. From there, I can decide whether to forfeit such an amount or risk my private information.

But if I'm a businessman and can earn that amount quickly, I would not dare to risk my identity. Who knows what they can do with such private information? They might sell it to the wrong people.


Title: Re: How Much do you Value your Privacy in Gambling?
Post by: stadus on October 21, 2023, 07:46:20 AM
First, it's crucial to understand the KYC requirements of a casino. The amount you win doesn't really matter because each of us has our own betting range in gambling. If you win and the casino asks for KYC information, including documents to verify the information you provided, it shouldn't come as a surprise. When you signed up, you should have already read the Terms of Service, where this would be outlined.

However, there are cases where a casino promises complete anonymity and then suddenly requests KYC when you've won a substantial amount. In such instances, you should be cautious and consider the possibility of a potential scam. Nevertheless, you should also consider the site's reputation. If it's reputable and has a lot to lose in terms of its reputation, then it's generally safe.

With $70,000, there are plenty of things you can do to improve your future, so why not.


Title: Re: How Much do you Value your Privacy in Gambling?
Post by: pawanjain on October 21, 2023, 07:51:32 AM

So, for some days now, I've had this thought of "how much some people really value their privacy in gambling", like as a gambler, you signed up on a new casino and immediately, you are allowed to deposit and play without going through a KYC verification process like we do on some casinos immediately after registration.
You start playing and luckily, you won a significant amount of money.

I know the word "significant" can mean different values for different gamblers, so let's use figures i personally think are significant and capable of changing lives.

So, let's assume you luckily won anything as from $70,000 and above with a total bet below $100, and to withdraw this money, or even part of it, the casino requires you to pass all levels of verification in their system, which means that you will have to provide them all your personally information down to the most private of them all, and this casino is relatively new and you are not sure about their reputation.

Will you go ahead and provide them all they require from you for account verification, so they can process your withdrawal request, or will you willingly forfeit such amount of money back to the casino on the account that your private information is more expensive than that amount of money you have own from them?

I love to read your thoughts on this.

If we consider an amount like $70,000 then I would definitely give it a shot. It's a pretty good amount and as far as KYC is concerned then trying your luck for such an amount isn't a bad idea.
Also, the reputation of the site matters as well. If I see negative reviews and scam accusations about the site then I would think before providing the KYC but if it as good reputation then I will go for it.


Title: Re: How Much do you Value your Privacy in Gambling?
Post by: Mauser on October 21, 2023, 07:55:00 AM
Will you go ahead and provide them all they require from you for account verification, so they can process your withdrawal request, or will you willingly forfeit such amount of money back to the casino on the account that your private information is more expensive than that amount of money you have own from them?

I love to read your thoughts on this.

Of course I would give them all my personal information to process my withdrawal request. 70,000 USD is such a large sum that I would be doing pretty much anything to get my hands on the winnings. Just thinking about what that would mean to my crypto portfolio is crazy, it's more than 2 BTC. Or you could be using that money for a down-payment on an apartment. Several years ago I was all about anonymity on the internet and I invested a lot of time to avoid sharing my personal information. But since then a lot has changed, I need to enter my details at so many different sites that it becomes impossible to protect yourself forever. For example, there are Apps for banking, medical insurance, public transportation, taxes and utility services, local coupons for restaurants and other deals. With all these companies already storing my personal information it doesn't matter if some casinos have it too. Also by now most of the people that know me are aware that I enjoy gambling, there shouldn't be any backlash.


Title: Re: How Much do you Value your Privacy in Gambling?
Post by: Odohu on October 21, 2023, 08:01:49 AM
First, any casino that do this is not to be trusted and the intention might likely to deny you the money or make the conditions a little difficult to check if you will give up on the funds.

Personally, I will submit the documents and do the KYC, provided I will be paid my winnings. We do KYC for minor things talk more of when $70k is involved. I know there are people that will think twice before submitting  such KYC but I don't belong to that category because the amount involved is huge and it is my wish I get to such a situation.
It is for the avoidance of this occurrence that gamblers that take too much importance to their privacy are told to make use of casino's that don't require kyc for withdrawal of any amount won thereafter sign up. Even as that some casinos may pretend to be a no KYC requirements casino but when a huge amount is involved they start giving kyc conditions for withdrawal.
That is the problem! They don't put these conditions during registration and anywhere in their terms and condition. It is usually conjured during withdrawal of huge wins. Maybe they felt no one will win such huge amount, hence the reason they never bothered to add those conditions.

It is really a big weakness on the part of those casinos and I don't know if there is any possibility for gamblers to seek legal action against them regarding this supposed sharp practice. 


Title: Re: How Much do you Value your Privacy in Gambling?
Post by: Bitinity on October 21, 2023, 08:04:27 AM
Hard question to answer for me especially because the case is specified to a casino which I'm not sure about the reputation. $70,000 is a big amount to miss, it can be a life changing money for some people including me. I cant even earn that much from my own job even if I work for 10 years. If there is no level 1 KYC it the beginning, maybe I can find someone around me who want to be paid to do the KYC or maybe offer him few percent of the amount if the KYC is approved and withdrawal can be processed.  But if there is a level 1 KYC in the beginning where I have submitted my own name, address, etc, there is no other choice except to submit my own personal documents, doing selfie, etc.



Title: Re: How Much do you Value your Privacy in Gambling?
Post by: Z390 on October 21, 2023, 08:15:27 AM
It's the KYC discussion again, I believe we have had too many discussion about KYC requirements from casinos, if people value their privacy this much they should not gamble online, they can visit casinos nearby and do their gambling, as for online casinos it will be hard to run a casino online without registering the casino and to make sure this happens they have to abide by the law and follow the rules.

I don't have a problem with KYC verification, I used to not like it but later I understand that a genuine casino need to verify their customers to keep their business going, or face the wrath of the law and regulators, in this case it's pointless to hate casinos because you can't gamble without having to pass KYC.

The only things that matter to me is not exposing my details online like home address and bank account details, this is why I don't bother using Fiat for gambling, not even credit cards too, crypto have make it easy to become a gambler without anyone noticing that you are gambling.


Title: Re: How Much do you Value your Privacy in Gambling?
Post by: rachael9385 on October 21, 2023, 08:26:47 AM
I completely understand the dilemma. Personally, I wouldn't play in a casino that isn't legit from the start. However, if I happened to find myself in this situation, having won $70,000, I would choose to submit the necessary requirements for verification. I mean, when dealing with a substantial amount, it's essential to follow the casino's procedures to claim the winnings. If it turns out that they are a nonreputable casino after my winnings, it will fall on their image and it will be cross out for me. After all, I only just bet $100

But preferrably, we should thoroughly research the casino's reputation and reviews before we put our bets especially if we are expecting a big prize. While privacy is incredibly valuable, in this scenario, following the verification process to receive that amount of money would be the logical choice for me.
Yes, exactly, we know money is something that people don't joke about. I would say that, if we gambled and. Then, win such a huge amount of money, there is no need for us not to submit the necessary KYC requirements for us to withdraw the winnings. There are only a few sets of gamblers that can only live their money at a gambling site because of the KYC they asked for, so for me, I will do the same as to put my KYC and withdrawal my money.

It is very hard for a gambler that has won a huge amount of money to forget about it, let me say from $30k and above, to not verify the KYC when he/she has the necessary documents to do it. It is easier to live a small amount of money at a gambling site than a large amount of money there. Even if the gambler tries to forget about it, it will still ring on his or her head because it is not an easy task.


Title: Re: How Much do you Value your Privacy in Gambling?
Post by: topbitcoin on October 21, 2023, 09:12:15 AM
However, if it's in a new casino and I don't have confidence in it, then it becomes more difficult...
Firstly, I would look for reviews and feedback, if I find a lot of negative things then I would certainly give up the prize, as the probability of doing KYC and still not receiving anything is very high.
But even if it is a new casino, if I find a good thread about it here on bitcointalk, and positive feedback, I would probably do KYC in hopes of receiving my prize.
Pretty good point and I agree with this especially I am not someone who is too closed to KYC even though sometimes I want something more hidden for myself but I can also still do KYC if it fits the needs and rules BUT with a note that this fits the criteria which I think is quite normal and it's okay if we do KYC.
I'm not sure if it's a good idea to do KYC and only a few that we trust to do it because in the end this is also to convince ourselves that we shouldn't easily trust many parties especially by doing KYC but when the reputation is good enough and there hasn't been any complaints about it then indeed I can still consider it.


Title: Re: How Much do you Value your Privacy in Gambling?
Post by: piebeyb on October 21, 2023, 09:40:05 AM

But preferrably, we should thoroughly research the casino's reputation and reviews before we put our bets especially if we are expecting a big prize. While privacy is incredibly valuable, in this scenario, following the verification process to receive that amount of money would be the logical choice for me.
Yes it is important to ensure that the casino you are playing at is one that has a really high reputation and is very safe to protect your identity, $70k is not a small amount of money and new casinos will probably use that KYC as another reason to make it difficult for users to withdraw and on finally refused KYC and canceled the user's winnings then the account was frozen. but it will be very different from a casino that has a high reputation.

I also often see cases of account problems being frozen by new casinos but if you play at a casino that has a high reputation they will definitely keep our identity safe and process withdrawals easily including KYC, I know that KYC is a privacy thing that must be maintained but to play in the right casino I don't think it would be a problem for me personally. But coming back to the views of other gamblers, sometimes everyone has different opinions.


Title: Re: How Much do you Value your Privacy in Gambling?
Post by: $crypto$ on October 21, 2023, 10:02:28 AM
Given the situation by @OP,  I will definitely undergo KYC on that platform in order to withdraw the amount.  It is a life changing amount in my country where I can buy my own house, a car and some amount to start-up a business.  What is privacy when I am starving to death.  At least I can exchange my privacy to a life changing amount.  Besides, I am in hope that the platform will take care of my data and won't sell it in the market.  Besides, this is not my first time to undergo full KYC in a platform.  ;D
Hahaha,,,, I will do it because this is a big amount of money that can change anyone's life, you said it right can buy a house and car or other items that you have not bought because of limited money.
People will be willing to exchange privacy for big money sometimes privacy is not important if they have often done KYC on several platforms for just a small amount of money let alone this big money obviously they will do it without looking at anything.

If the casino is really paying then it is a big advantage, if the casino is a scam there is no need to worry because I also have the same thoughts hopefully the data is not sold on the black market.


Title: Re: How Much do you Value your Privacy in Gambling?
Post by: Altryist on October 21, 2023, 10:10:58 AM
Hard question to answer for me especially because the case is specified to a casino which I'm not sure about the reputation. $70,000 is a big amount to miss, it can be a life changing money for some people including me. I cant even earn that much from my own job even if I work for 10 years. If there is no level 1 KYC it the beginning, maybe I can find someone around me who want to be paid to do the KYC or maybe offer him few percent of the amount if the KYC is approved and withdrawal can be processed.  But if there is a level 1 KYC in the beginning where I have submitted my own name, address, etc, there is no other choice except to submit my own personal documents, doing selfie, etc.


Often, a casino may give you the opportunity to play with some minimal information about you, which can ultimately be edited, or it is possible to play without verification, but it will be required to withdraw funds. Therefore, some players decide to try to play for small money to see how well they can do it and they will be ready to pass the KУC when they win a good prize, but if nothing works out, they will simply leave the casino, or continue their attempts.


Title: Re: How Much do you Value your Privacy in Gambling?
Post by: Mr. Magkaisa on October 21, 2023, 10:25:38 AM
Given the situation by @OP,  I will definitely undergo KYC on that platform in order to withdraw the amount.  It is a life changing amount in my country where I can buy my own house, a car and some amount to start-up a business.  What is privacy when I am starving to death.  At least I can exchange my privacy to a life changing amount.  Besides, I am in hope that the platform will take care of my data and won't sell it in the market.  Besides, this is not my first time to undergo full KYC in a platform.  ;D
Hahaha,,,, I will do it because this is a big amount of money that can change anyone's life, you said it right can buy a house and car or other items that you have not bought because of limited money.
People will be willing to exchange privacy for big money sometimes privacy is not important if they have often done KYC on several platforms for just a small amount of money let alone this big money obviously they will do it without looking at anything.

If the casino is really paying then it is a big advantage, if the casino is a scam there is no need to worry because I also have the same thoughts hopefully the data is not sold on the black market.

        -  Whoever chooses that amount, I will have a nice house and lot and a brand new car at that amount, and at the same time, I will be able to build a business at that amount. It will actually help me a lot.

So it's fine for me to give my information as long as I also know that a well-known casino will give me the jackpot prize; I won't have a problem with that. Then almost everyone who commented here chose money, not the other, because everything is practical in life.


Title: Re: How Much do you Value your Privacy in Gambling?
Post by: sokani on October 21, 2023, 10:28:46 AM
Will you go ahead and provide them all they require from you for account verification, so they can process your withdrawal request, or will you willingly forfeit such amount of money back to the casino on the account that your private information is more expensive than that amount of money you have own from them?

I love to read your thoughts on this.
I've about $100 trapped in an exchange for more than a year that I have forfeited because I refused to perform KYC with the exchange. $70,000 is indeed a significant sum and a life-changing amount of money. I really do value my privacy but if I happened to win such amount of money on an online casino, I would go ahead with the KYC, if after checking the casino reputation and all boxes ticks. I would also learn a valuable lesson not to trust any casino and to always read their terms of service carefully before signing up.


Title: Re: How Much do you Value your Privacy in Gambling?
Post by: Kakmakr on October 21, 2023, 10:33:29 AM
I make sure I add something to the verification documents to track back the source, if that information is re-used by the receiver. That way, I can use that as evidence in a court case, if I have to do that. (water marked or changed back drops or small text or markers)

You do not have any guarantee that they will not misuse your information or that they will track you down, but you can protect yourself, if they misuse that information.  ;)


Title: Re: How Much do you Value your Privacy in Gambling?
Post by: redsun114 on October 21, 2023, 10:36:59 AM
Personally, I'm not a fan of doing KYC verification on a new platform, and it's not just about privacy but it's also about your personal information being misused if the platform turns out to be bad later on. There is one more thing that I'm always careful about, it is that I only join and use platforms that I know actually pay, so if it's a platform that I know does pay the winnings and I have won a life-changing amount in it, I wouldn't mind providing my personal documents in that case.

Privacy is important, for sure, but it's definitely not more important than a lot of things in your life, and not everyone can understand this but only those who don't have everything they need or want in their lives. So, I'm pretty sure that a lot of people would do it if the amount is life-changing for them.


Title: Re: How Much do you Value your Privacy in Gambling?
Post by: el kaka22 on October 21, 2023, 11:39:23 AM
I personally care about it enough that I am sure they will not share it with my government since it would be illegal for me to play in a foreign casino. If I trust that they will not share it with my government, then I am fine about it.

And 99% of the places do not share it, so I can easily give my KYC without a worry, it doesn't really change much and doesn't really end up making it any different, we just need to end up with something that would be a little bit different. I know that not a lot of people end up with something that would be a lot worse or better, we just need to end up with something that needs to be secret enough from outside sources. Me sharing it with the casino is fine, it would be not fine if they share it with someone else.


Title: Re: How Much do you Value your Privacy in Gambling?
Post by: Docnaster on October 21, 2023, 11:47:16 AM
I personally care about it enough that I am sure they will not share it with my government since it would be illegal for me to play in a foreign casino. If I trust that they will not share it with my government, then I am fine about it.

And 99% of the places do not share it, so I can easily give my KYC without a worry, it doesn't really change much and doesn't really end up making it any different, we just need to end up with something that would be a little bit different. I know that not a lot of people end up with something that would be a lot worse or better, we just need to end up with something that needs to be secret enough from outside sources. Me sharing it with the casino is fine, it would be not fine if they share it with someone else.
One the terms and conditions of about gambling companies is never to share their customers personal data to any third party unless it happens that a customer involves himself in any illegal engagement in the company that requires them to provide personal information to a third party and most times the third party will always be a legal firm. So that's why I don't think anyone should be worried in providing their personal information to gambling companies except the person in question has in engaged in some illegal activities.


Title: Re: How Much do you Value your Privacy in Gambling?
Post by: Ojima-ojo on October 21, 2023, 12:01:23 PM
$70k is a whole lot of money that i will not think twice before giving out my data for verifications, after all i won the money so i can drive a source of funds if authorities demand it, aside from that, I don't have any worries as regards to this because that amount is significant enough to the point that a lot and many will not also deny themselves of that.


So best practice is to stake a bigger amount in casinos that you feel comfortable with to the extent of being willing to go through with their verification process if need be.


Title: Re: How Much do you Value your Privacy in Gambling?
Post by: mirakal on October 21, 2023, 12:09:40 PM
Alright, folks, gimme a sec. I gotta crunch the numbers and convert that 70k bucks to our local currency. So, based on my math, it's nearly 4 million pesos! I reckon I'm gonna have to go through the whole KYC thing, you know, it's like hitting the jackpot for me. I'm ready to say goodbye to my mysterious, anonymous self, let the gambling site know who I am, and get my hands on that sweet, massive win!


Title: Re: How Much do you Value your Privacy in Gambling?
Post by: noormcs5 on October 21, 2023, 12:15:09 PM
I personally care about it enough that I am sure they will not share it with my government since it would be illegal for me to play in a foreign casino. If I trust that they will not share it with my government, then I am fine about it.

And 99% of the places do not share it, so I can easily give my KYC without a worry, it doesn't really change much and doesn't really end up making it any different, we just need to end up with something that would be a little bit different. I know that not a lot of people end up with something that would be a lot worse or better, we just need to end up with something that needs to be secret enough from outside sources. Me sharing it with the casino is fine, it would be not fine if they share it with someone else.
One the terms and conditions of about gambling companies is never to share their customers personal data to any third party unless it happens that a customer involves himself in any illegal engagement in the company that requires them to provide personal information to a third party and most times the third party will always be a legal firm. So that's why I don't think anyone should be worried in providing their personal information to gambling companies except the person in question has in engaged in some illegal activities.

How can you be sure that the KYC data stored at the gambling sites is secure with them and they may only produce them to a legal firm on demand? Why can't they misuse the data without even us knowing about it? There is no guarantee of our KYC data as to how it may be used. Yes, we can trust the gambling sites to safeguard our data, but we can only hope so.

Some people will say that KYC done at trusted sites is safe, but it is not. It does not matter if you do KYC on a trusted site or a non-trusted one, the risk may be more in non-trusted sites but you can't be sure even on the credibility of the popular gambling sites.


Title: Re: How Much do you Value your Privacy in Gambling?
Post by: AicecreaME on October 21, 2023, 12:21:05 PM
I personally care about it enough that I am sure they will not share it with my government since it would be illegal for me to play in a foreign casino. If I trust that they will not share it with my government, then I am fine about it.

And 99% of the places do not share it, so I can easily give my KYC without a worry, it doesn't really change much and doesn't really end up making it any different, we just need to end up with something that would be a little bit different. I know that not a lot of people end up with something that would be a lot worse or better, we just need to end up with something that needs to be secret enough from outside sources. Me sharing it with the casino is fine, it would be not fine if they share it with someone else.
One the terms and conditions of about gambling companies is never to share their customers personal data to any third party unless it happens that a customer involves himself in any illegal engagement in the company that requires them to provide personal information to a third party and most times the third party will always be a legal firm. So that's why I don't think anyone should be worried in providing their personal information to gambling companies except the person in question has in engaged in some illegal activities.

I beg to disagree. It's still much better to be careful than to be sorry later on. You can't really guarantee that a casino will not sold your personal information to other third party applications because some don't really keep their word, especially those sites that just suddenly emerged and are still new to the industry, which means there's still no reputation to uphold and to stand by. If ever you will give your personal information such as your full name, address and the likes, always make sure that you are giving it to a trusted site. Because if you happen to trust the wrong website, your identity can be robbed in a snap, and your card details can be used and be exposed to thieves.


Title: Re: How Much do you Value your Privacy in Gambling?
Post by: maydna on October 21, 2023, 01:13:58 PM
~snip~
This is why the trust rating is very important because depend on this and we comply with their terms with a hope that our personal details will be safe from any harm. I actually have no choice but to comply with the KYC as most of the gambling site today have this requirements before you can actually maximize the platform’s full potential. I value my privacy of course in any way of life but if there’s a need to submit any personal details, I will follow it as long as its a good project or as long as the site is legit.
It's okay if you comply with the rules at the casino by doing KYC because at least you have done KYC at a trusted and popular casino. After all, that won't worry you. That's also what I would do if I found something similar like that. But if it were a shady casino, I wouldn't want to do KYC even if I managed to win a lot of money from the casino because the casino wouldn't want to part with the money that easily. We want to get privacy in gambling by not doing KYC, but we also can't refuse it if the regulator asks the casino to ask its customers to do KYC.


Title: Re: How Much do you Value your Privacy in Gambling?
Post by: Zlantann on October 21, 2023, 01:20:29 PM
I beg to disagree. It's still much better to be careful than to be sorry later on. You can't really guarantee that a casino will not sold your personal information to other third party applications because some don't really keep their word, especially those sites that just suddenly emerged and are still new to the industry, which means there's still no reputation to uphold and to stand by. If ever you will give your personal information such as your full name, address and the likes, always make sure that you are giving it to a trusted site. Because if you happen to trust the wrong website, your identity can be robbed in a snap, and your card details can be used and exposed to thieves.

Converting the win to my local currency will make me an instant millionaire. It will also be an end to poverty for me so I will also be willing to submit my KYC. But asking for my house address is going to the extreme because it can be very risky. They can sell my information which includes my house address to criminals who already know how much I am worth. In such a case, I will have to relocate from my house or possibly outside the province. I will not patronize a casino that requires my residential address. A phone number or email is tolerable but a house address is an extreme invasion of privacy. Patronizing reputable casinos remains the best option because they always abide by the provisions of their ToS.


Title: Re: How Much do you Value your Privacy in Gambling?
Post by: decodx on October 21, 2023, 01:37:54 PM
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I love to read your thoughts on this.

This is an interesting problem you've brought up here. I think how much someone values privacy when gambling really depends on the person.  

If I somehow won a good chunk of change, like ,000 or more, and the casino demanded a thorough KYC and to give them all my information, I probably wouldn't think twice about it and would hand over what they asked for right away.  But if it was some casino I wasn't familiar with and wasnt sure I could trust I'd be more hesitant and probably wouldn't risk betting really big money there in the first place.  

You said the total bet was under $100 which isn't a lot but still wouldnt make me feel comfortable either.  I'd probably start by placing bets of just a couple bucks to test out the site first and  for me, step one would be doing some research on the casino's reputation and if I could find any reviews or feedback from other gamblers.  If everything looked legit and trustworthy, then I might feel better about going through their verification process.


Title: Re: How Much do you Value your Privacy in Gambling?
Post by: Rabata on October 21, 2023, 02:47:35 PM
I personally care about it enough that I am sure they will not share it with my government since it would be illegal for me to play in a foreign casino. If I trust that they will not share it with my government, then I am fine about it.

And 99% of the places do not share it, so I can easily give my KYC without a worry, it doesn't really change much and doesn't really end up making it any different, we just need to end up with something that would be a little bit different. I know that not a lot of people end up with something that would be a lot worse or better, we just need to end up with something that needs to be secret enough from outside sources. Me sharing it with the casino is fine, it would be not fine if they share it with someone else.
One the terms and conditions of about gambling companies is never to share their customers personal data to any third party unless it happens that a customer involves himself in any illegal engagement in the company that requires them to provide personal information to a third party and most times the third party will always be a legal firm. So that's why I don't think anyone should be worried in providing their personal information to gambling companies except the person in question has in engaged in some illegal activities.

I beg to disagree. It's still much better to be careful than to be sorry later on. You can't really guarantee that a casino will not sold your personal information to other third party applications because some don't really keep their word, especially those sites that just suddenly emerged and are still new to the industry, which means there's still no reputation to uphold and to stand by. If ever you will give your personal information such as your full name, address and the likes, always make sure that you are giving it to a trusted site. Because if you happen to trust the wrong website, your identity can be robbed in a snap, and your card details can be used and be exposed to thieves.
If personal information falls into the hands of a scammer then I can't think of any way to be safe. In general, sites that are low-quality or new are more likely to be scams. A site that has been conducting gambling for a long time and who has built their reputation will never try to put others at risk. Because they will give more priority to their business. I also inform about a site where after a big win they asked for KYC and even after completing the KYC they stopped withdrawing the winnings. There is no expectation of personal information being protected by unscrupulous people trying to steal money from others.


Title: Re: How Much do you Value your Privacy in Gambling?
Post by: Fivestar4everMVP on October 21, 2023, 02:54:59 PM
Alright, folks, gimme a sec. I gotta crunch the numbers and convert that 70k bucks to our local currency. So, based on my math, it's nearly 4 million pesos! I reckon I'm gonna have to go through the whole KYC thing, you know, it's like hitting the jackpot for me. I'm ready to say goodbye to my mysterious, anonymous self, let the gambling site know who I am, and get my hands on that sweet, massive win!

;D you got me rolling on the floor with this comment. one thing certain which I think many of us don't seem to understand is that, we are not anonymous in the world we live in, several platforms have our identities, and some of these platforms we may not even or completely trust, but we still go ahead to give them what they ask for in terms of KYC because we have no choice, or they make the whole system look to us like we have no choice.
Example is the banks, believe it or not, the banks are one of the platforms I never trusted, but each time I visit, I have no choice but to do all their bidding for the sake of my money, this is exactly the same for gambler who would be in the same situation as I imagined and wrote in the op.

This is why i think privacy comes with a price tag, anyone can claim to be very reserved when it comes to KYCing on a gambling casino, but there is the kind of money that will be involved, such person won't hesitate to succumb to the bidding of the casino, as without doing what they ask, you likely will not access to the potential wealth before you.


Title: Re: How Much do you Value your Privacy in Gambling?
Post by: Westinhome on October 21, 2023, 03:01:58 PM
Alright, folks, gimme a sec. I gotta crunch the numbers and convert that 70k bucks to our local currency. So, based on my math, it's nearly 4 million pesos! I reckon I'm gonna have to go through the whole KYC thing, you know, it's like hitting the jackpot for me. I'm ready to say goodbye to my mysterious, anonymous self, let the gambling site know who I am, and get my hands on that sweet, massive win!


When he gambler get the jackpot form the gambling,So he can quit the hard job which give the less money for the huge work.Most of the job was giving less pay for the more work in the real life.So the people suffering from such situation may try the gambling for the life upliftment.But it’s not guaranteed one,So it’s essential to have the mind set of both win or loss.The reason for the privacy is mainly for the tax paying,if the person who win will be identified by their government.Then the winning person need to pat the taxes for their winning.This was the biggest reason for the gambler to keep their privacy in the gambling sites.


Title: Re: How Much do you Value your Privacy in Gambling?
Post by: Solosanz on October 21, 2023, 03:02:21 PM
It's okay if you comply with the rules at the casino by doing KYC because at least you have done KYC at a trusted and popular casino. After all, that won't worry you. That's also what I would do if I found something similar like that. But if it were a shady casino, I wouldn't want to do KYC even if I managed to win a lot of money from the casino because the casino wouldn't want to part with the money that easily. We want to get privacy in gambling by not doing KYC, but we also can't refuse it if the regulator asks the casino to ask its customers to do KYC.
Yeah, I can't understand with people who're want to gamble in centralized casino and can't accept to comply with the rules, they're a licensed casino and have a regulation. If people want to protect their privacy, they need to gamble with their friends and keep it private, so no one will know except themselves.


Title: Re: How Much do you Value your Privacy in Gambling?
Post by: Stepstowealth on October 21, 2023, 03:21:33 PM
Will you go ahead and provide them all they require from you for account verification, so they can process your withdrawal request, or will you willingly forfeit such amount of money back to the casino on the account that your private information is more expensive than that amount of money you have own from them?
The value your place on your life will depend on the level in life that you are. I am not very rich, and when I gamble, I expect to win money. I expect to win big money that can change my life. If I win a very big amount like 70,000 dollars which is a lot in my country, I have not seen that kind of money before, so it is an amount of money that is enough for me to gamble my privacy on. I will just to be extra careful try to make extra research to confirm the reputation of the casino to know if they are other gamblers there that have won money before there and were able to successfully withdraw it. This forum can help me with that because I can just easily ask here.


Title: Re: How Much do you Value your Privacy in Gambling?
Post by: Beparanf on October 21, 2023, 03:26:52 PM
Alright, folks, gimme a sec. I gotta crunch the numbers and convert that 70k bucks to our local currency. So, based on my math, it's nearly 4 million pesos! I reckon I'm gonna have to go through the whole KYC thing, you know, it's like hitting the jackpot for me. I'm ready to say goodbye to my mysterious, anonymous self, let the gambling site know who I am, and get my hands on that sweet, massive win!


When he gambler get the jackpot form the gambling,So he can quit the hard job which give the less money for the huge work.Most of the job was giving less pay for the more work in the real life.So the people suffering from such situation may try the gambling for the life upliftment.But it’s not guaranteed one,So it’s essential to have the mind set of both win or loss.The reason for the privacy is mainly for the tax paying,if the person who win will be identified by their government.Then the winning person need to pat the taxes for their winning.This was the biggest reason for the gambler to keep their privacy in the gambling sites.

This is the dumbest reasoning ever for people that has low salary on their job. Why find another job that pays well or improve your work for a chance to promotion to get more earnings.

People that using gambling as an alternative for being lazy on finding appropriate job usually becomes more poorer since gambling is designed to get money from players not the other way around due to the house edge. We gamblers are using casino games and services which casino is paying. We should be playing to get entertainment from their service and not to focus on quick rich scheme so that we can enjoy the game itself.


Title: Re: How Much do you Value your Privacy in Gambling?
Post by: johnsaributua on October 21, 2023, 03:40:42 PM
Just as sure, Dev casino wants to keep the winner's sensitive data and the right to hold it for their benefit for the archive.

Winners or other users will inevitably do KYC for the money they will get or claim unilaterally, which is a procedure to meet customer standards.
I noticed like the law of attraction or request and request.

Speaking of Kyc, crypto projects, both tesnets, airdrops, some of which have penetrated into certain validator nodes, have also implemented Kyc before the distribution or receipt of reward benefits whose listing prices do not yet know what prices.
Financial technology companies and applications that offer financial services are also the same,
I finally joined Kyc because I wanted to enjoy the full features they offered even if only for a trial.

In my opinion, Kyc is one of them as consumer protection, in case of fraud, account hacking and data recovery.
also as a record if it occurs in transactions can be accounted for both from the law, the form of violation with regulations in each country.


Title: Re: How Much do you Value your Privacy in Gambling?
Post by: Odusko on October 21, 2023, 03:54:16 PM
The level of my privacy protection is at highest in terms of my preparedness that have brought me to a significant position twhereI only gamble on reputable casinos and do not get so carried away to the point of handing over my privacy to them because at some point those new casinos can easily get hacked and data stolen could be used to perpetrate evil that can put the original owner to risks.
And also we have to place a lot of emphasis on the issue of data protection and how best to avoid such incidents,  and at some point, it becomes so obvious that only a few casinos truly protect the data of their clients.


Title: Re: How Much do you Value your Privacy in Gambling?
Post by: junder on October 21, 2023, 04:07:56 PM

When he gambler get the jackpot form the gambling,So he can quit the hard job which give the less money for the huge work.Most of the job was giving less pay for the more work in the real life.So the people suffering from such situation may try the gambling for the life upliftment.But it’s not guaranteed one,So it’s essential to have the mind set of both win or loss.The reason for the privacy is mainly for the tax paying,if the person who win will be identified by their government.Then the winning person need to pat the taxes for their winning.This was the biggest reason for the gambler to keep their privacy in the gambling sites.

This is the dumbest reasoning ever for people that has low salary on their job. Why find another job that pays well or improve your work for a chance to promotion to get more earnings.

People that using gambling as an alternative for being lazy on finding appropriate job usually becomes more poorer since gambling is designed to get money from players not the other way around due to the house edge. We gamblers are using casino games and services which casino is paying. We should be playing to get entertainment from their service and not to focus on quick rich scheme so that we can enjoy the game itself.

It doesn't make sense and I can't think why anyone would have that mindset, they should be able to differentiate gambling from work, although maybe their winnings are much greater than the income from their main job but there is a very significant difference there. Gambling is just about luck, and if you manage to hit a big jackpot it doesn't mean you have to quit your job because the amount of winnings from gambling is bigger. Let's think about it, gambling is based on luck and there is no guarantee that you will always win, while a job has a full guarantee because you get income through the contribution of yourself working even if the amount is small but it will be consistent as long as you are willing to do it. So it doesn't make sense to use that as an excuse to quit your job.

Yes, people who have such a mindset are none other than because they are lazy to work and always depend on the luck of gambling, gambling will absolutely not be able to make your life better but on the contrary you will continue to experience financial problems because of this activity. Basically and in accordance with the fact that gambling is created for victory is always on the side of the house, so if they come with the intention of earning then obviously will definitely suffer a lot of defeat.


Title: Re: How Much do you Value your Privacy in Gambling?
Post by: Findingnemo on October 21, 2023, 04:14:58 PM
First of all, I wouldn't choose to deposit on a casino which I can't trust with my KYC details and since I am not a high roller I am always okay to provide the basic details such as National ID verification and liveness test too if needed.

I will not be giving them further details like bank statements, proof of income, or whatever you consider sensitive information to share with anyone.


Title: Re: How Much do you Value your Privacy in Gambling?
Post by: darkangel11 on October 21, 2023, 06:13:59 PM
I value my privacy and I wouldn't use a casino that requires it, but let's say we have a strange situation, where I got mislead by the casino and thought there's no KYC, played for a bit and won a lot of money, but they want my private information. If there was a way to use someone else's data, I'd pay someone part of the profits to do KYC posing as me. Yes' I'd try to cheat here, but I'd feel cheated by the casino in the first place, so an eye for an eye ;)
If there was no way to do that without raising suspicion and risking all the money, I'd probably do KYC and take the money.
We're talking about $70k, so that's like a 3 year wage for me.


Title: Re: How Much do you Value your Privacy in Gambling?
Post by: Nerdy doctor on October 21, 2023, 07:08:02 PM
I doubt I would ever use a casino that’s not recognized or reputable in the gambling industry to avoid having withdrawal issues later on but In a scenario where I do use a new casino that’s barely recognized for whatever reasons, and happen to win some good money like the amount you mentioned, I guess I’ll be really moved into doing a full KYC with them.
$70k is quite a lot of money for a lot of people and would motivate a whole lot of gamblers into submitting relevant documents to get their hands on their winnings.


Title: Re: How Much do you Value your Privacy in Gambling?
Post by: Slow death on October 21, 2023, 07:15:35 PM
Currently, there are no more things like privacy in the cryptocurrency market, everything has become regulated, casinos need to have a license and ask for kyc, exchanges also ask for kyc. So it's not something that people don't know. for example when a person creates an account at a new casino, that person when depositing money, must be aware that even if the casino insists that they do not ask for kyc, eventually that same casino will ask for kyc, it will change the TOS without prior notice and the people who They put money into this new casino, they will have no choice but to go through kyc

People should not be fooled into thinking that casinos that are decentralized are the best options because they are fighting against the system implemented by governments. This thinking is dangerous, the most important thing is that people choose old casinos like stake.com and comply with the casino's TOS and not use new casinos without a reputation and after they win a lot of money in these new casinos and are unable to withdraw they start to come complain to this forum. It doesn't make sense for people to take a lot of risk in using strange casinos when they could be using good casinos.

I often ask myself why there are people with more than 10 accounts at 10 different casinos? How can you use 10 casinos at the same time? And to make matters worse, every time a new casino comes, they also create an account at that new casino, so they come and complain about kyc. But what did you expect? it was expected that they would do kyc in the 10 casinos. Unfortunately, people haven't thought very carefully about this kyc issue and are demanding it. In my opinion, you shouldn't ask much of kyc


Title: Re: How Much do you Value your Privacy in Gambling?
Post by: Casdinyard on October 21, 2023, 08:49:38 PM
I've had my digital footprint already embedded over the internet, if people and ad agencies ever decided to reach out to me to talk about my car's extended warranty, they could and they would. That's why I don't really care that much for my privacy especially in the case of gambling sites asking for information so they can allow me to gamble. I would be more than happy to verify my existence and have the chance to gamble than be stingy about it and not be allowed to. There's also just something about casinos who ask for KYC, something along the lines of security cause you know they are really paying cause there's no way in hell they're going to spend that much money and effort to implement a KYC feature if they're going to dip on their customers.


Title: Re: How Much do you Value your Privacy in Gambling?
Post by: Oilacris on October 21, 2023, 08:58:00 PM
Currently, there are no more things like privacy in the cryptocurrency market, everything has become regulated, casinos need to have a license and ask for kyc, exchanges also ask for kyc. So it's not something that people don't know. for example when a person creates an account at a new casino, that person when depositing money, must be aware that even if the casino insists that they do not ask for kyc, eventually that same casino will ask for kyc, it will change the TOS without prior notice and the people who They put money into this new casino, they will have no choice but to go through kyc

People should not be fooled into thinking that casinos that are decentralized are the best options because they are fighting against the system implemented by governments. This thinking is dangerous, the most important thing is that people choose old casinos like stake.com and comply with the casino's TOS and not use new casinos without a reputation and after they win a lot of money in these new casinos and are unable to withdraw they start to come complain to this forum. It doesn't make sense for people to take a lot of risk in using strange casinos when they could be using good casinos.

I often ask myself why there are people with more than 10 accounts at 10 different casinos? How can you use 10 casinos at the same time? And to make matters worse, every time a new casino comes, they also create an account at that new casino, so they come and complain about kyc. But what did you expect? it was expected that they would do kyc in the 10 casinos. Unfortunately, people haven't thought very carefully about this kyc issue and are demanding it. In my opinion, you shouldn't ask much of kyc
Agree!

There's no other way or things that you could be able to avoid about being known or your information would really be that really needing for you to comply so that you could really be able to withdraw
or be able to get those functionalities if we do speak about exchanges. It is really that becoming that in every corners on which it is really that regulation would really be that always
attached into things on which we us users or gamblers would really be having no choice. If there are still some non-KYC platforms but still you cant really be that too confident
because once you do hit up a particular threshold then for sure you would really be needing to have that kind of verification which it isnt really that surprising anymore.
Valuing your privacy? but since these businesses are licensed then for sure you would really be having that kind of big problem.


Title: Re: How Much do you Value your Privacy in Gambling?
Post by: Jating on October 21, 2023, 09:04:31 PM
I've had my digital footprint already embedded over the internet, if people and ad agencies ever decided to reach out to me to talk about my car's extended warranty, they could and they would. That's why I don't really care that much for my privacy especially in the case of gambling sites asking for information so they can allow me to gamble. I would be more than happy to verify my existence and have the chance to gamble than be stingy about it and not be allowed to. There's also just something about casinos who ask for KYC, something along the lines of security cause you know they are really paying cause there's no way in hell they're going to spend that much money and effort to implement a KYC feature if they're going to dip on their customers.

And I think once you created an account in social media, for sure they have your digital footprints already and it's hard to erase it. I have seen my footprints even in the early 2000's still in the Internet, (remember Lycos)? So yeah, if we think about it, maybe some of us doesn't care about the KYC or privacy as everyone is already on the internet like 15-20 years ago and their data are still there no matter what. It's that recently, specially when bitcoin or crypto was introduce, we somewhat become aware that we should stay anonymous.

But it is what it is now, it has evolved, regulators wanted to know everyone, and they don't want someone to hide on the guise of being anonymous in crypto and then do bad things, (hacks, scams, money laundering and others). And even if you go to land base casinos, you may want to get a card and avail it so that you can get mileage points and use it later. So you fill up everything to them. In case that they are hack, then obviously, your data can also be leaked just like in online casinos or any other crypto related services.


Title: Re: How Much do you Value your Privacy in Gambling?
Post by: Wiwo on October 21, 2023, 09:10:17 PM
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Will you go ahead and provide them all they require from you for account verification, so they can process your withdrawal request, or will you willingly forfeit such amount of money back to the casino on the account that your private information is more expensive than that amount of money you have own from them?

I love to read your thoughts on this.
If i win big at a new casino and they require me to do KYC then of course big doubts will come over me, i will definitely immediately rack my brain and do a little tricky thing to keep my privacy safe, that is by paying someone to do KYC for me.  i don't easily trust casino gambling sites that are relatively new, of course their system is still not well conceptualized and also the money they hold is not necessarily that much, rather than exposing my personal data to their site, it's better for me to pay someone a little money and do it KYC for me (just my thoughts, don't copy it lol)
kyc to some of us os not a big deal most especially when we have a big balance being stocked for lack of kYC to be able to withdraw,  this is not a case since most centralized casinos already have the rule in the T&C that,  if you want to withdraw an amount that is higher that $5k then you need to provide kyc to back up you limit at base which is below 5k for non kyc accounts.

Most casinos already have this rules well spelt out for their client to see and also align themselves to that,  some and most times,  gamblers will rather chose not to look at that aspect of the rules and there after go ahead to make attempt to either deposit or withdraw amount that is higher than their trenchhold which often lead them to confusion about the term and there after possibly blame the casino for they own failure to follow rules.


Title: Re: How Much do you Value your Privacy in Gambling?
Post by: Wakate on October 21, 2023, 09:37:32 PM
First of all, I wouldn't choose to deposit on a casino which I can't trust with my KYC details and since I am not a high roller I am always okay to provide the basic details such as National ID verification and liveness test too if needed.

I will not be giving them further details like bank statements, proof of income, or whatever you consider sensitive information to share with anyone.
Trusting a casino with our money is something we need to ponder about. We should not just put money on a casino with the attempt of winning and cashing out part of the funds we are going to earn from the casino without understanding have reputable the casino could be. The mistake many gamblers have made many times is not doing a good research about a casino before betting on it..we need to test any casino we are new to with little fund betting on it and cashing out before we can be rest assured that our funds on such casino will be safe from being freeze for no reason.


Title: Re: How Much do you Value your Privacy in Gambling?
Post by: Weawant on October 21, 2023, 10:02:23 PM

So, for some days now, I've had this thought of "how much some people really value their privacy in gambling", like as a gambler, you signed up on a new casino and immediately, you are allowed to deposit and play without going through a KYC verification process like we do on some casinos immediately after registration.
You start playing and luckily, you won a significant amount of money.

I know the word "significant" can mean different values for different gamblers, so let's use figures i personally think are significant and capable of changing lives.

So, let's assume you luckily won anything as from $70,000 and above with a total bet below $100, and to withdraw this money, or even part of it, the casino requires you to pass all levels of verification in their system, which means that you will have to provide them all your personally information down to the most private of them all, and this casino is relatively new and you are not sure about their reputation.

Will you go ahead and provide them all they require from you for account verification, so they can process your withdrawal request, or will you willingly forfeit such amount of money back to the casino on the account that your private information is more expensive than that amount of money you have own from them?

I love to read your thoughts on this.
It's only gullibility that will lead someone to hastily deposit and play a game on a casino site where you are yet to do KYC and get verified. It's even enough reason for you to leave such sit if you are not asked for KYC before depositing, how would you be quick to want to deposit without knowing how you can retrieve back your Money, it sounds so unwise.

Most of the casinos who don't get their customers to get their KYC don before they win and want to withdraw, are most likely to be scam prone, they may not have the reputation enough to protect their customers, so it mostly advice whenever you are using a casino and they are quick to allow you deposit with out KYC, you have to be very weary of them to avoid becoming victims of scammers sites.


Title: Re: How Much do you Value your Privacy in Gambling?
Post by: Natalim on October 22, 2023, 12:00:21 AM
On this forum, I believe many of us would gladly sacrifice our privacy to snag that $70k prize mentioned in the original post. It's a no-brainer; we're all in this for the big bucks, and it's already right within our reach. The only thing standing between us and claiming the rewards is complying with the KYC requirements. Who in their right mind would say no? That would be utterly crazy. Of course, we'd go the extra mile to secure that massive prize, even if the gambling site demands KYC documents from our entire family. I'm confident there are still gamblers who won't think twice about whether it's reasonable; they'd simply comply and follow every request to clinch that massive win.

Gosh, $70k is a substantial sum. I don't want to come across as insincere, but opportunities like this don't come knocking every day. I might even consider retiring from my job once I get my hands on that money; it's truly a life-changing event. Although there's a risk associated with submitting KYC documents, with that kind of reward on the line, I wouldn't hesitate to do exactly as they ask.


Title: Re: How Much do you Value your Privacy in Gambling?
Post by: bayu7adi on October 22, 2023, 12:51:53 AM
Even if it's an irrational and untrustworthy gambling website, I'd be willing to undergo KYC verification and hold a glimmer of hope that the money will indeed be transferred. $70k is a substantial sum for me, enough to secure a home in my local area and lay the foundation for starting a family.

For anyone unwilling to complete KYC for the prospect of receiving $70k, they might be overlooking the practicalities. We live in challenging economic times, and a substantial sum can significantly ease our path through life.

However, in the event that the process becomes unnecessarily complex, and the casino potentially engages in a scam, I can only resign myself to the fact that my personal data has already been shared.


Title: Re: How Much do you Value your Privacy in Gambling?
Post by: Assface16678 on October 22, 2023, 02:05:55 AM

So, for some days now, I've had this thought of "how much some people really value their privacy in gambling", like as a gambler, you signed up on a new casino and immediately, you are allowed to deposit and play without going through a KYC verification process like we do on some casinos immediately after registration.
You start playing and luckily, you won a significant amount of money.

I know the word "significant" can mean different values for different gamblers, so let's use figures i personally think are significant and capable of changing lives.

So, let's assume you luckily won anything as from $70,000 and above with a total bet below $100, and to withdraw this money, or even part of it, the casino requires you to pass all levels of verification in their system, which means that you will have to provide them all your personally information down to the most private of them all, and this casino is relatively new and you are not sure about their reputation.

Will you go ahead and provide them all they require from you for account verification, so they can process your withdrawal request, or will you willingly forfeit such amount of money back to the casino on the account that your private information is more expensive than that amount of money you have own from them?

I love to read your thoughts on this.

Well, it's a common process on any website, not just in casinos, to ask for KYC if you are going to withdraw money because how can they know where and whom they will send the money? But I understand your concern and worry. Maybe before depositing and playing on a website casino, make sure that it is legitimate. Do your assessment first, look for reviews to see if that website has a bad reputation when it comes to withdrawing money, and if not, then it is okay to provide your KYC to withdraw your money as it is the common process when it comes to withdrawal. especially if we are talking about a very huge amount of money. I personally agreed with KYC as long as the website itself is trustworthy, the website is secure, and they value the important impressions of their customers or players. So, in short, do your assessment first before playing on the website.


Title: Re: How Much do you Value your Privacy in Gambling?
Post by: klidex on October 22, 2023, 03:11:04 AM
~snip~
This is why the trust rating is very important because depend on this and we comply with their terms with a hope that our personal details will be safe from any harm. I actually have no choice but to comply with the KYC as most of the gambling site today have this requirements before you can actually maximize the platform’s full potential. I value my privacy of course in any way of life but if there’s a need to submit any personal details, I will follow it as long as its a good project or as long as the site is legit.
It's okay if you comply with the rules at the casino by doing KYC because at least you have done KYC at a trusted and popular casino. After all, that won't worry you. That's also what I would do if I found something similar like that. But if it were a shady casino, I wouldn't want to do KYC even if I managed to win a lot of money from the casino because the casino wouldn't want to part with the money that easily. We want to get privacy in gambling by not doing KYC, but we also can't refuse it if the regulator asks the casino to ask its customers to do KYC.
Understanding your privacy concerns when it comes to gambling is important. A KYC process is often required by trusted casino to comply with the rules and regulation set by gambling authorities. However, it is also important to do thorough research before engaging in gambling at a casino, especially to ensure the security of your personal informations.

If you are not comfortable with the KYC process at a particular casino, choosing a casino that is trustworthy and has a good reputations in terms of data privacy and security could be a wise move. Choosing to engage in gambling in a place that offers better privacy protection can help maintain your safety and sense of security in your gambling activities. It is always important to prioritize the security your personal informations in all situation.


Title: Re: How Much do you Value your Privacy in Gambling?
Post by: maydna on October 22, 2023, 12:43:39 PM
~snip~
Understanding your privacy concerns when it comes to gambling is important. A KYC process is often required by trusted casino to comply with the rules and regulation set by gambling authorities. However, it is also important to do thorough research before engaging in gambling at a casino, especially to ensure the security of your personal informations.

If you are not comfortable with the KYC process at a particular casino, choosing a casino that is trustworthy and has a good reputations in terms of data privacy and security could be a wise move. Choosing to engage in gambling in a place that offers better privacy protection can help maintain your safety and sense of security in your gambling activities. It is always important to prioritize the security your personal informations in all situation.
Research on the casino is also needed to find a casino that is suitable for us because of the many casinos, there are few casinos that we can use as a place to gamble and can be included in the list of casinos that we like. In determining a good casino for us, we also have to look at the KYC side of the casino because some casinos are flexible in implementing their KYC, so that is the kind of casino we are looking for. If we don't want to do KYC, we have to look for another casino even though it is difficult to find one because of regulations from the regulator, which require casinos to ask their customers to do KYC.

When playing gambling at online casinos, the comfort factor is the most important thing that we must be able to obtain. And that's why we can't follow other people's advice in choosing a casino because we really have to be able to find a casino that suits us. Remember to take your time gathering information about the casino to avoid making a mistake in choosing the casino.


Title: Re: How Much do you Value your Privacy in Gambling?
Post by: alastantiger on October 22, 2023, 12:57:56 PM
First of all, I wouldn't choose to deposit on a casino which I can't trust with my KYC details and since I am not a high roller I am always okay to provide the basic details such as National ID verification and liveness test too if needed.
I think we are alike. I have now qualms with presenting my Passport or Utility bill to the online casino so long as I check trust pilot and several other platforms when honest reviews are given. Even this forum is one of them.

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I will not be giving them further details like bank statements, proof of income, or whatever you consider sensitive information to share with anyone.
Any online casino asking for these details are never going to be get it from me. They can have my winnings instead of me to devulge such sensitive personal details. I Amy even go as far as warning other gamblers to stay away from such a casino.


Title: Re: How Much do you Value your Privacy in Gambling?
Post by: Gideon66 on October 22, 2023, 01:10:35 PM

So, for some days now, I've had this thought of "how much some people really value their privacy in gambling", like as a gambler, you signed up on a new casino and immediately, you are allowed to deposit and play without going through a KYC verification process like we do on some casinos immediately after registration.
You start playing and luckily, you won a significant amount of money.

I know the word "significant" can mean different values for different gamblers, so let's use figures i personally think are significant and capable of changing lives.

So, let's assume you luckily won anything as from $70,000 and above with a total bet below $100, and to withdraw this money, or even part of it, the casino requires you to pass all levels of verification in their system, which means that you will have to provide them all your personally information down to the most private of them all, and this casino is relatively new and you are not sure about their reputation.

Will you go ahead and provide them all they require from you for account verification, so they can process your withdrawal request, or will you willingly forfeit such amount of money back to the casino on the account that your private information is more expensive than that amount of money you have own from them?

I love to read your thoughts on this.

I will any casino that provides you huge amount of money to claim without you doing an kyc or had any job done is considered a scam (anything that sounds too good to be true ) they just want your info so they can access.


Title: Re: How Much do you Value your Privacy in Gambling?
Post by: avp2306 on October 22, 2023, 01:17:54 PM
First of all, I wouldn't choose to deposit on a casino which I can't trust with my KYC details and since I am not a high roller I am always okay to provide the basic details such as National ID verification and liveness test too if needed.
I think we are alike. I have now qualms with presenting my Passport or Utility bill to the online casino so long as I check trust pilot and several other platforms when honest reviews are given. Even this forum is one of them.

So do I since would provably not trust those casino surprisingly ask us to do KYC even if they don't have any basis to do so or when they claim that they don't ask this like what they told on their thread. Even if I have money left on their platform still would not insist to do so since privacy is more important rather than getting those funds which we can still earn rather than trying to accept the risk that we maybe got an issue to come in future.

But its different story when a casino is transparent and ask this KYC at first since it can change every negative impression of people especially if they earned some good reputation on any site they are promoting especially here where reviews are legitimate given by many people.


Title: Re: How Much do you Value your Privacy in Gambling?
Post by: Docnaster on October 22, 2023, 01:28:58 PM

So, for some days now, I've had this thought of "how much some people really value their privacy in gambling", like as a gambler, you signed up on a new casino and immediately, you are allowed to deposit and play without going through a KYC verification process like we do on some casinos immediately after registration.
You start playing and luckily, you won a significant amount of money.

I know the word "significant" can mean different values for different gamblers, so let's use figures i personally think are significant and capable of changing lives.

So, let's assume you luckily won anything as from $70,000 and above with a total bet below $100, and to withdraw this money, or even part of it, the casino requires you to pass all levels of verification in their system, which means that you will have to provide them all your personally information down to the most private of them all, and this casino is relatively new and you are not sure about their reputation.

Will you go ahead and provide them all they require from you for account verification, so they can process your withdrawal request, or will you willingly forfeit such amount of money back to the casino on the account that your private information is more expensive than that amount of money you have own from them?

I love to read your thoughts on this.

Well, it's a common process on any website, not just in casinos, to ask for KYC if you are going to withdraw money because how can they know where and whom they will send the money? But I understand your concern and worry. Maybe before depositing and playing on a website casino, make sure that it is legitimate. Do your assessment first, look for reviews to see if that website has a bad reputation when it comes to withdrawing money, and if not, then it is okay to provide your KYC to withdraw your money as it is the common process when it comes to withdrawal. especially if we are talking about a very huge amount of money. I personally agreed with KYC as long as the website itself is trustworthy, the website is secure, and they value the important impressions of their customers or players. So, in short, do your assessment first before playing on the website.
Because of the many fraudulent activities on the internet space, these online casinos always request for their members to fully summit their full details in other to keep records whenever there's a significant win. They do this for future security purposes and to be able to provide valid information of their users who through their websites made money incase the need for investigation of any kind happens.
To me, I don't think it's a big deal to provide them with these personal information after carefully researching about them and knowing fully well that they're a certified and registered online casinos.


Title: Re: How Much do you Value your Privacy in Gambling?
Post by: leonair on October 22, 2023, 01:40:31 PM

So, for some days now, I've had this thought of "how much some people really value their privacy in gambling", like as a gambler, you signed up on a new casino and immediately, you are allowed to deposit and play without going through a KYC verification process like we do on some casinos immediately after registration.
You start playing and luckily, you won a significant amount of money.

I know the word "significant" can mean different values for different gamblers, so let's use figures i personally think are significant and capable of changing lives.

So, let's assume you luckily won anything as from $70,000 and above with a total bet below $100, and to withdraw this money, or even part of it, the casino requires you to pass all levels of verification in their system, which means that you will have to provide them all your personally information down to the most private of them all, and this casino is relatively new and you are not sure about their reputation.

Will you go ahead and provide them all they require from you for account verification, so they can process your withdrawal request, or will you willingly forfeit such amount of money back to the casino on the account that your private information is more expensive than that amount of money you have own from them?
First of all no scam site will ever let you win a big amount. And if you transfer a huge amount like $70k from a site and it gets added to your balance. and if they demand Kyc from you to withdraw it then I don't think anyone will feel shy to do kyc at that time. as for me I always use reputable casinos and if I win a big amount there I never hesitate to kyc there. And one who is worried about kyc should not gamble. Because if you want to gamble regularly on a site you have to do kyc and those who don't gamble regularly can't win a big amount.


Title: Re: How Much do you Value your Privacy in Gambling?
Post by: stomachgrowls on October 22, 2023, 01:54:20 PM
I value my privacy and I wouldn't use a casino that requires it, but let's say we have a strange situation, where I got mislead by the casino and thought there's no KYC, played for a bit and won a lot of money, but they want my private information. If there was a way to use someone else's data, I'd pay someone part of the profits to do KYC posing as me. Yes' I'd try to cheat here, but I'd feel cheated by the casino in the first place, so an eye for an eye ;)
If there was no way to do that without raising suspicion and risking all the money, I'd probably do KYC and take the money.
We're talking about $70k, so that's like a 3 year wage for me.
And this is the importance on reading up sites terms and conditions on which if they are really that having no KYC kind of term but having those side notes about having that having the full rights on asking one
then there's nothing you can do because they do have the rights on doing so on whatever they do like or when but usually it would really be talking about withdrawal period or moments but if you havent been able to
read up any KYC related kind of information then suddenly there's one on the time that they would be pointing for you to read on and then viola there's that info then it is really that surely be shady.
This is why it would really be that always important that you should really make out some screen shots if you are really that having no trust in the first place so that just in case that you've win something big
then you could really be able to show up some proofs that you havent been able to read something and that would bust them up but since majority of us doesnt really care on reading up sites terms and conditions
then for sure there's no choice for us to have at least some valid reasoning.

Showing no proofs about those kind of allegations or accusations would really be ending up on getting ignored which do really sucks. This is why if you do really value your privacy then
deal up with those platforms which you do know that they arent asking some KYC on the time that you do win big, but honestly finding one nowadays
is really not that easy anymore.Majority of them does have that kind of terms that they do have the rights on asking some verification anytime they want.


Title: Re: How Much do you Value your Privacy in Gambling?
Post by: Fortify on October 22, 2023, 02:20:40 PM

So, for some days now, I've had this thought of "how much some people really value their privacy in gambling", like as a gambler, you signed up on a new casino and immediately, you are allowed to deposit and play without going through a KYC verification process like we do on some casinos immediately after registration.
You start playing and luckily, you won a significant amount of money.

I know the word "significant" can mean different values for different gamblers, so let's use figures i personally think are significant and capable of changing lives.

So, let's assume you luckily won anything as from $70,000 and above with a total bet below $100, and to withdraw this money, or even part of it, the casino requires you to pass all levels of verification in their system, which means that you will have to provide them all your personally information down to the most private of them all, and this casino is relatively new and you are not sure about their reputation.

Will you go ahead and provide them all they require from you for account verification, so they can process your withdrawal request, or will you willingly forfeit such amount of money back to the casino on the account that your private information is more expensive than that amount of money you have own from them?

I love to read your thoughts on this.

I value my privacy as long as I know it's secure. For example, I don't mind handing over identity documents in order to play on gambling sites, however they better treat them with the highest security because otherwise your private information can be used in identity fraud against you. This is why I only feel comfortable handing over documents to the very biggest sites who would have the resources to put into such secure storage, otherwise their reputation could be wiped out along with the huge profits they make every year.


Title: Re: How Much do you Value your Privacy in Gambling?
Post by: Findingnemo on October 22, 2023, 03:42:26 PM
But its different story when a casino is transparent and ask this KYC at first since it can change every negative impression of people especially if they earned some good reputation on any site they are promoting especially here where reviews are legitimate given by many people.
Yeah, that is my point. Before trusting a platform with my money I will look at their reputation and complete KYC if needed then go on further which will ease the misunderstanding between platform and user. I am not a big fan of reviews though but it helps in identifying the casino that farms their reputation with paid reviews which will be normally from bots and the legitimate ones with actual people writing the feedback.


Title: Re: How Much do you Value your Privacy in Gambling?
Post by: slapper on October 22, 2023, 03:43:45 PM
I value my privacy and I wouldn't use a casino that requires it, but let's say we have a strange situation, where I got mislead by the casino and thought there's no KYC, played for a bit and won a lot of money, but they want my private information. If there was a way to use someone else's data, I'd pay someone part of the profits to do KYC posing as me. Yes' I'd try to cheat here, but I'd feel cheated by the casino in the first place, so an eye for an eye ;)
If there was no way to do that without raising suspicion and risking all the money, I'd probably do KYC and take the money.
We're talking about $70k, so that's like a 3 year wage for me.
And this is the importance on reading up sites terms and conditions on which if they are really that having no KYC kind of term but having those side notes about having that having the full rights on asking one
then there's nothing you can do because they do have the rights on doing so on whatever they do like or when but usually it would really be talking about withdrawal period or moments but if you havent been able to
read up any KYC related kind of information then suddenly there's one on the time that they would be pointing for you to read on and then viola there's that info then it is really that surely be shady.
This is why it would really be that always important that you should really make out some screen shots if you are really that having no trust in the first place so that just in case that you've win something big
then you could really be able to show up some proofs that you havent been able to read something and that would bust them up but since majority of us doesnt really care on reading up sites terms and conditions
then for sure there's no choice for us to have at least some valid reasoning.

Showing no proofs about those kind of allegations or accusations would really be ending up on getting ignored which do really sucks. This is why if you do really value your privacy then
deal up with those platforms which you do know that they arent asking some KYC on the time that you do win big, but honestly finding one nowadays
is really not that easy anymore.Majority of them does have that kind of terms that they do have the rights on asking some verification anytime they want.
Online gambling and amusement require careful reading of terms and conditions. Everyone has seen it - me, you, and us. Sites hide KYC clauses, then bang! They strike unexpectedly. Like, "Hello? Not what I signed up for!" But guess what? You technically did...

I constantly say (and I mean this seriously) screenshot everything. Consider it an online golden rule. Screenshot untrustworthy sites. Still screenshot a trusted site! Because when you win big you want everything covered. Show them, "Hey, I've got the proof right here!"

The kicker: most people don't read. They don't. When things go wrong, they're astonished. The shame is real. You must be clever to protect your privacy and winnings. You must be proactive. Finding a platform without KYC when you win? Good luck! Extremely rare. Always watch out and be ready. That's key!


Title: Re: How Much do you Value your Privacy in Gambling?
Post by: shogun47 on October 22, 2023, 04:09:14 PM
But its different story when a casino is transparent and ask this KYC at first since it can change every negative impression of people especially if they earned some good reputation on any site they are promoting especially here where reviews are legitimate given by many people.
Yeah, that is my point. Before trusting a platform with my money I will look at their reputation and complete KYC if needed then go on further which will ease the misunderstanding between platform and user. I am not a big fan of reviews though but it helps in identifying the casino that farms their reputation with paid reviews which will be normally from bots and the legitimate ones with actual people writing the feedback.

I myself have said before that platforms should ask for KYC if they plan to do so before anyone can deposit money and not only ask for KYC once someone won something. But then again I wonder if someone is dealing with a platform that also intends to scam, what does it help when KYC is provided and approved beforehand? Does it even make a difference? If a platform approves KYC and there is a big win, firstly they could still say that their security department found that there is something missing or wrong with the documentation provided, and secondly they could just scam someone and come up with all kinds of reasons that are hard to counter, like some suspicious playing behavior and then they don't provide proof themselves, we know how they do it.


Title: Re: How Much do you Value your Privacy in Gambling?
Post by: Westinhome on October 22, 2023, 10:41:27 PM

First of all no scam site will ever let you win a big amount. And if you transfer a huge amount like $70k from a site and it gets added to your balance. and if they demand Kyc from you to withdraw it then I don't think anyone will feel shy to do kyc at that time. as for me I always use reputable casinos and if I win a big amount there I never hesitate to kyc there. And one who is worried about kyc should not gamble. Because if you want to gamble regularly on a site you have to do kyc and those who don't gamble regularly can't win a big amount.

We don’t know this exactly,because they can allow to make big win and scam at the end.The scam sites also allow to make big win and check at the end of kyc verification was compulsory at the end.Kepping the kyc compulsory doesn’t the problem,but it’s essential to accept the kyc after the submission.If the gambling site is scam,they first waste your time by approve of the kyc verification.Then they will ask to submit the kyc again and again by saying the kyc was not clear.At the end they will ban your account by saying the fake reason like,you had send the wrong kyc or the vpn was used by you on the playing of gamblig game.


Title: Re: How Much do you Value your Privacy in Gambling?
Post by: Tuturtinular on October 22, 2023, 10:59:06 PM
Will you go ahead and provide them all they require from you for account verification, so they can process your withdrawal request, or will you willingly forfeit such amount of money back to the casino on the account that your private information is more expensive than that amount of money you have own from them?

I love to read your thoughts on this.

Are we talking about $70,000? In my opinion it is a very large amount and I personally would be happy to carry out the KYC process as long as the money can be withdrawn. To be honest I don't like kyc but doing kyc with that much money is not something bad

I'm still an ordinary person and I think $70k is a lot of money to fight for so even though I don't really like KYC but for the sake of $70k it's not a problem for me. My idealism would be crushed by $70k  :D


Title: Re: How Much do you Value your Privacy in Gambling?
Post by: klidex on October 23, 2023, 02:53:30 AM

~snip~
Research on the casino is also needed to find a casino that is suitable for us because of the many casinos, there are few casinos that we can use as a place to gamble and can be included in the list of casinos that we like. In determining a good casino for us, we also have to look at the KYC side of the casino because some casinos are flexible in implementing their KYC, so that is the kind of casino we are looking for. If we don't want to do KYC, we have to look for another casino even though it is difficult to find one because of regulations from the regulator, which require casinos to ask their customers to do KYC.

When playing gambling at online casinos, the comfort factor is the most important thing that we must be able to obtain. And that's why we can't follow other people's advice in choosing a casino because we really have to be able to find a casino that suits us. Remember to take your time gathering information about the casino to avoid making a mistake in choosing the casino.
Yes thats right, doing thorough research about the casino before getting involved in gambling is a wise moved. Identifying casinos that suit your preferences and needs, including their flexibility in implementing KYC procedures, can help ensure a safe and enjoyable gambling experience. Some casinos do have more flexible KYC rules, which can accommodate your privacy and personal data security preferences.

However, regulatory regulations requiring casinos to request KYC remain in effect, and it is important to comply with applicable regulations in the region. Thus, it is important to find a casino that not only suits your gaming preference, but also complies with the rules and regulation imposed by the competent authorities.


Title: Re: How Much do you Value your Privacy in Gambling?
Post by: dezoel on October 23, 2023, 06:26:58 AM
Even if it's an irrational and untrustworthy gambling website, I'd be willing to undergo KYC verification and hold a glimmer of hope that the money will indeed be transferred. $70k is a substantial sum for me, enough to secure a home in my local area and lay the foundation for starting a family.

For anyone unwilling to complete KYC for the prospect of receiving $70k, they might be overlooking the practicalities. We live in challenging economic times, and a substantial sum can significantly ease our path through life.

However, in the event that the process becomes unnecessarily complex, and the casino potentially engages in a scam, I can only resign myself to the fact that my personal data has already been shared.
I totally agree with that, and I believe a lot of people would go for it, some might hesitate, but since the money involved is enough to make up your mind, anyone with their heart in the right place would not bother giving their personal details for the sake of a sum that can change their lives, even if it doesn't change one's life, it will at least make things easier for them because as you said, the times are difficult in any part of the world right now, everywhere!

As you said, even if the platform turns out to be a scam, later on, one can settle down without any regrets thinking that they have at least tried. If someone doesn't do it and refuses to take the money only for the sake of not sharing their personal documents and then hears that someone actually did withdraw a big sum from them, the regret will be unforgettable.


Title: Re: How Much do you Value your Privacy in Gambling?
Post by: CODE200 on October 23, 2023, 06:47:07 AM

So, for some days now, I've had this thought of "how much some people really value their privacy in gambling", like as a gambler, you signed up on a new casino and immediately, you are allowed to deposit and play without going through a KYC verification process like we do on some casinos immediately after registration.
You start playing and luckily, you won a significant amount of money.

I know the word "significant" can mean different values for different gamblers, so let's use figures i personally think are significant and capable of changing lives.

So, let's assume you luckily won anything as from $70,000 and above with a total bet below $100, and to withdraw this money, or even part of it, the casino requires you to pass all levels of verification in their system, which means that you will have to provide them all your personally information down to the most private of them all, and this casino is relatively new and you are not sure about their reputation.

Will you go ahead and provide them all they require from you for account verification, so they can process your withdrawal request, or will you willingly forfeit such amount of money back to the casino on the account that your private information is more expensive than that amount of money you have own from them?

I love to read your thoughts on this.


Privacy is something that I highly value and is actually one of my criteria when choosing a casino. So my answer would be it depends on the casino. If ever that this happens to me, the first thing that I will do is to check if the casino is reliable and credible, and if they have established trust with their customers. If not, then I will not have any second thoughts but to refuse this because I will not give up my privacy just for the sake of earning that kind of money. Even though that is an immense amount of money, I will not do it as there is no money that would amount of my privacy. Secondly, I am aware that KYC is needed in every transaction, but I don't think that there casinos that requires their customer to give their "private information" because I don't think this would be necessary at all. So, I think the best way is to know the casino first. This is just my opinion.


Title: Re: How Much do you Value your Privacy in Gambling?
Post by: maydna on October 23, 2023, 12:59:10 PM
~snip~
Yes thats right, doing thorough research about the casino before getting involved in gambling is a wise moved. Identifying casinos that suit your preferences and needs, including their flexibility in implementing KYC procedures, can help ensure a safe and enjoyable gambling experience. Some casinos do have more flexible KYC rules, which can accommodate your privacy and personal data security preferences.

However, regulatory regulations requiring casinos to request KYC remain in effect, and it is important to comply with applicable regulations in the region. Thus, it is important to find a casino that not only suits your gaming preference, but also complies with the rules and regulation imposed by the competent authorities.
Thorough research about the casino will prevent us from all the problems that could arise later. We don't need to worry about choosing the wrong casino because we can get the one that suits us. By making sure the casino is the casino we are looking for, we can feel comfortable when gambling, and even though we will be asked to do KYC by the casino, we won't mind. We already know that the casino can protect the data we provide and provide us with privacy so that we don't have to worry about anything.

And finding a suitable casino can make us comfortable when gambling. By always doing thorough research on the casinos, we can provide a list of casinos that are suitable for us so that we don't just have one casino but several casinos that are really suitable for us when gambling.


Title: Re: How Much do you Value your Privacy in Gambling?
Post by: romero121 on October 23, 2023, 01:28:35 PM
Privacy is much concerned, but when it comes to money and there is a need to reveal our identity I'll go with it. Life changing moments won't happen all the time, and opportunity missed is missed forever. I don't want to lose it and struggle for the rest of my life. Many people prefer gambling with cryptocurrencies to keep their gambling activities hidden from the outer world. Gambling is all about luck and why should we avoid the luck. Also there is no assurance that you'll get lucky to win same as this in the future. To avoid such confusions the better choice is to prefer the trusted platform for gambling, so that there is nothing to worry.


Title: Re: How Much do you Value your Privacy in Gambling?
Post by: Westinhome on October 23, 2023, 01:43:59 PM
Privacy is much concerned, but when it comes to money and there is a need to reveal our identity I'll go with it. Life changing moments won't happen all the time, and opportunity missed is missed forever. I don't want to lose it and struggle for the rest of my life. Many people prefer gambling with cryptocurrencies to keep their gambling activities hidden from the outer world. Gambling is all about luck and why should we avoid the luck. Also there is no assurance that you'll get lucky to win same as this in the future. To avoid such confusions the better choice is to prefer the trusted platform for gambling, so that there is nothing to worry.

New gamblers was not ready to accept the kyc verification at the beginning,because they need of extreme privacy.After the gambling sites ask the gambler to do kyc verification for the withdrew of the money,then they will do the kyc for the money.So the money is always ultimate one,the gamblers doing gambling for the money generation for their life.The gambling is based on the luck and the gambler should agreed this point and do the gambling with the game responsibility.The way of accepting the loss in the gambling was the difference between the experienced and the new gamblers in the gambling.


Title: Re: How Much do you Value your Privacy in Gambling?
Post by: Distinctin on October 23, 2023, 01:59:20 PM
Given the situation by @OP,  I will definitely undergo KYC on that platform in order to withdraw the amount.  It is a life changing amount in my country where I can buy my own house, a car and some amount to start-up a business.  What is privacy when I am starving to death.  At least I can exchange my privacy to a life changing amount.  Besides, I am in hope that the platform will take care of my data and won't sell it in the market.  Besides, this is not my first time to undergo full KYC in a platform.  ;D


There's no wrong with submitting our KYC details as long as we know that the casino is legit and is reputable. Even if it's a new casino, that does not mean that it's not reputable and can't be trusted anymore. Remember that big and successful casinos these days have all started from a scratch. So if you trust that casino, then submit KYC and give all the documents that they need so you can withdraw your big win. What is privacy actually in exchange for a life changing winning amount. I'm sure a lot here would do the same.

This is the reason why conducting research before playing on a casino is a must. If you don't want to get scam, then do prior preparations before gambling. But sometimes those we expect that are reputable and legit casinos still fall as scams. In that case, we don't hold the control anymore.


Title: Re: How Much do you Value your Privacy in Gambling?
Post by: Aanuoluwatofunmi on October 23, 2023, 02:23:58 PM
But its different story when a casino is transparent and ask this KYC at first since it can change every negative impression of people especially if they earned some good reputation on any site they are promoting especially here where reviews are legitimate given by many people.
Yeah, that is my point. Before trusting a platform with my money I will look at their reputation and complete KYC if needed then go on further which will ease the misunderstanding between platform and user. I am not a big fan of reviews though but it helps in identifying the casino that farms their reputation with paid reviews which will be normally from bots and the legitimate ones with actual people writing the feedback.

If you make use of a casino and supply ball their requirements for KYC is one advantage on itself, but if we choose not to go by having any requests on KYC then we can decide not to use a KYC casino from the selection of our choice, because here we are considering the most important aspect of our personal life which is privacy in gambling, users mostly have issues with using the gambling platforms immediately they discovered that they were unable to supply every required documents for kyc, that's why it's always best going for a no KYC casino before starting.


Title: Re: How Much do you Value your Privacy in Gambling?
Post by: erep on October 23, 2023, 04:59:47 PM
There's no wrong with submitting our KYC details as long as we know that the casino is legit and is reputable. Even if it's a new casino, that does not mean that it's not reputable and can't be trusted anymore. Remember that big and successful casinos these days have all started from a scratch. So if you trust that casino, then submit KYC and give all the documents that they need so you can withdraw your big win. What is privacy actually in exchange for a life changing winning amount. I'm sure a lot here would do the same.
Every new casino must be reviewed from all aspects of security and trustworthiness, we need time to assess the reputation of the new casino, reputation must be based on feedback from users and the community. Unless a new casino has been released from a joint project between 2 top casino companies, they are committed to creating a new casino and that casino automatically has the inherent reputation of the previous casino.

So be wise in assessing the reputation of each casino because it affects the KYC documents that you verify, make sure you choose a top casino that already has a trusted reputation and you don't feel worried about the KYC that has been used at the casino.


Title: Re: How Much do you Value your Privacy in Gambling?
Post by: Hispo on October 23, 2023, 05:08:18 PM
Privacy is much concerned, but when it comes to money and there is a need to reveal our identity I'll go with it. Life changing moments won't happen all the time, and opportunity missed is missed forever. I don't want to lose it and struggle for the rest of my life. Many people prefer gambling with cryptocurrencies to keep their gambling activities hidden from the outer world. Gambling is all about luck and why should we avoid the luck. Also there is no assurance that you'll get lucky to win same as this in the future. To avoid such confusions the better choice is to prefer the trusted platform for gambling, so that there is nothing to worry.

It is better just to go with a reliable platform, even if you need to reveal your personal information once to that platform.
Also, nowadays I would dare to say that using cryptocurrency does not guarantee anonymity these days, with the software and technology related to Blockchain analysis and also regulation.
There is a good reason why there not many popular casinos which like to give support to Monero, which is a truly decentralized and 100% anonymous alternative cryptocurrency. If some big casino started to accept Monero or other privacy focused coins, then regulators would intervene, obviously.

So, it is harder to remain fully anonymous nowadays while gambling, not as I have read on the old days, when Bitcoin was considered actually anonymous.


Title: Re: How Much do you Value your Privacy in Gambling?
Post by: klidex on October 24, 2023, 01:24:57 AM
Thorough research about the casino will prevent us from all the problems that could arise later. We don't need to worry about choosing the wrong casino because we can get the one that suits us. By making sure the casino is the casino we are looking for, we can feel comfortable when gambling, and even though we will be asked to do KYC by the casino, we won't mind. We already know that the casino can protect the data we provide and provide us with privacy so that we don't have to worry about anything.

And finding a suitable casino can make us comfortable when gambling. By always doing thorough research on the casinos, we can provide a list of casinos that are suitable for us so that we don't just have one casino but several casinos that are really suitable for us when gambling.
Yes, doing research about casino beforehand can help you find a suitable place to gamble. Paying attention to factors such as reputation, privacy policy, game variety, bonuses, and ease of payment processing can help you determine the casino that suits your preferences and needs.

By having several suitable casino options, you can access a diverse gambling experience that suits your wishes. By identifying casinos that offer a comfortable and safe environment, you can ensure that your gambling experience is smooth and enjoyable, stay be careful and do thorough research to find the casino that best suits your gambling preferences and style.


Title: Re: How Much do you Value your Privacy in Gambling?
Post by: Nerdy doctor on October 24, 2023, 01:49:52 AM
First of all no scam site will ever let you win a big amount. And if you transfer a huge amount like $70k from a site and it gets added to your balance. and if they demand Kyc from you to withdraw it then I don't think anyone will feel shy to do kyc at that time. as for me I always use reputable casinos and if I win a big amount there I never hesitate to kyc there. And one who is worried about kyc should not gamble. Because if you want to gamble regularly on a site you have to do kyc and those who don't gamble regularly can't win a big amount.

You can play and actually win big in a scam casino. The problem lies in the withdrawal of your winnings. You would have your account blocked and likely be accused of cheating the system with no proof or specific reason.
If you’ve chosen to be a regular on a particular online casino, then it’s best you should complete KYC from the start. Most people do KYC whenever they’ve got their winning stuck on the casino and you are now required to do it before your winnings are released. To avoid all of this, it’s better to do it from the start.
Your point about people who don’t gamble regularly can’t win a substantial amount is not entirely accurate. I believe it’s possible to win a big sum on your very first bet.


Title: Re: How Much do you Value your Privacy in Gambling?
Post by: kotajikikox on October 24, 2023, 03:02:32 AM

So, for some days now, I've had this thought of "how much some people really value their privacy in gambling", like as a gambler, you signed up on a new casino and immediately, you are allowed to deposit and play without going through a KYC verification process like we do on some casinos immediately after registration.
You start playing and luckily, you won a significant amount of money.


First mate , I don't want to just jump in casino that not ask KYC for creating account and deposit/play instantly instead I will Dig their TOC and check the possibilities of being asked KYC when withdrawal needs.

Second I already saw so many issues about that same problem , in which the site will suddenly asked for all types of KYC( hoping that you fail and won't get your money for some violation) isn't obvious that they wanted to trap us?

better to forget about KYC in gambling and admit that yo have more safer gambling games is to deal with KYC upfront ( of course not all casino that ask KYC are legit)
but for other reason try not to deal with so New gambling site.


Title: Re: How Much do you Value your Privacy in Gambling?
Post by: danherbias07 on October 24, 2023, 03:19:50 AM
But its different story when a casino is transparent and ask this KYC at first since it can change every negative impression of people especially if they earned some good reputation on any site they are promoting especially here where reviews are legitimate given by many people.
Yeah, that is my point. Before trusting a platform with my money I will look at their reputation and complete KYC if needed then go on further which will ease the misunderstanding between platform and user. I am not a big fan of reviews though but it helps in identifying the casino that farms their reputation with paid reviews which will be normally from bots and the legitimate ones with actual people writing the feedback.

I myself have said before that platforms should ask for KYC if they plan to do so before anyone can deposit money and not only ask for KYC once someone won something. But then again I wonder if someone is dealing with a platform that also intends to scam, what does it help when KYC is provided and approved beforehand? Does it even make a difference? If a platform approves KYC and there is a big win, firstly they could still say that their security department found that there is something missing or wrong with the documentation provided, and secondly they could just scam someone and come up with all kinds of reasons that are hard to counter, like some suspicious playing behavior and then they don't provide proof themselves, we know how they do it.
This is where their license will come in. Whatever country has jurisdiction over the said gambling site could provide some help to the gamblers who are scammed, the gambler can sue them for not giving out the rewards that are supposed to be his. Most scammy gambling sites don't have a license to operate and we must also look into that first before we pass our KYC.
Without it, we will just get ourselves in more trouble with both anti-money laundering cases and maybe tax evasion.
For the example you said, if ever there comes a victim of a scam gambling site who is still avoiding all the passed information by the gambler, there is nothing we can do to chase everything that they took.
KYC is for those with legitimate business because they don't want trouble from their government and I think it's also a good thing for higher security. Other gambling sites only do this so they can sell our information in the black market and that's when we will receive some phishing emails or identity theft.


Title: Re: How Much do you Value your Privacy in Gambling?
Post by: lienfaye on October 24, 2023, 04:13:01 AM
Will you go ahead and provide them all they require from you for account verification, so they can process your withdrawal request, or will you willingly forfeit such amount of money back to the casino on the account that your private information is more expensive than that amount of money you have own from them?
This is hard but are you going to let your won money be forfeited? $70k is a huge amount, it can change your life for the better. Therefore, if that's the only solution then I'll go with it and take a risk.

Anyway, if you don't want to put in such situation, be careful on where you're going to gamble. Choose a reputable casinos so you're certain that they will not going to scam you. Moreover, better to comply on KYC before playing so it's not a problem incase you win a huge amount. Avoid playing in new casinos unless their platform is proven by gamblers as trustworthy based on their experience playing on the casino.


Title: Re: How Much do you Value your Privacy in Gambling?
Post by: bettercrypto on October 24, 2023, 04:21:50 AM
But its different story when a casino is transparent and ask this KYC at first since it can change every negative impression of people especially if they earned some good reputation on any site they are promoting especially here where reviews are legitimate given by many people.
Yeah, that is my point. Before trusting a platform with my money I will look at their reputation and complete KYC if needed then go on further which will ease the misunderstanding between platform and user. I am not a big fan of reviews though but it helps in identifying the casino that farms their reputation with paid reviews which will be normally from bots and the legitimate ones with actual people writing the feedback.

Of course, even though a lottery outlet will also ask for personal data information from the person who won, it can't be without KYC to show. Of course, that's for identification, to prove that you really are the person who won on their platform. Don't give it to just one person, because then many people will pretend to be it.

Especially with his kind of value, it is normal to ask you for documents because it is not a small amount of value to release the money on the gambling platform where you won a large value.


Title: Re: How Much do you Value your Privacy in Gambling?
Post by: ethereumhunter on October 24, 2023, 10:40:30 AM
But its different story when a casino is transparent and ask this KYC at first since it can change every negative impression of people especially if they earned some good reputation on any site they are promoting especially here where reviews are legitimate given by many people.
Yeah, that is my point. Before trusting a platform with my money I will look at their reputation and complete KYC if needed then go on further which will ease the misunderstanding between platform and user. I am not a big fan of reviews though but it helps in identifying the casino that farms their reputation with paid reviews which will be normally from bots and the legitimate ones with actual people writing the feedback.

Of course, even though a lottery outlet will also ask for personal data information from the person who won, it can't be without KYC to show. Of course, that's for identification, to prove that you really are the person who won on their platform. Don't give it to just one person, because then many people will pretend to be it.

Especially with his kind of value, it is normal to ask you for documents because it is not a small amount of value to release the money on the gambling platform where you won a large value.
It will depend on whether we think about doing KYC or will skip it even though our winnings are big. Many people may do KYC if it's a lot of money because they think that with that much money, they can enjoy it and change their lives for the better. But some people don't care about those big wins because they must do KYC before withdrawing the winnings.

And that is a natural thing for many people because they have their own considerations before they do something. However, some people will borrow someone else's identity to do KYC because they think that their identity is optional to do KYC at the casino.


Title: Re: How Much do you Value your Privacy in Gambling?
Post by: bluebit25 on October 24, 2023, 10:55:52 AM
' KYC verification ' the thing that I feel really makes the least sense in how to operate the next steps, but I don't mean to avoid it.

For valid identities, I think gambling platforms have not too strict verification steps, so if we don't want to provide real information, we can absolutely use alternative information, and in case as the OP assumes, I think things are quite comfortable when winning prizes and withdrawing money is simply a matter of providing your identity, so there's nothing to fear if that money is more important than your reputation, and in the case of people with important identities, they may not need that money.


Title: Re: How Much do you Value your Privacy in Gambling?
Post by: temple on October 24, 2023, 06:11:57 PM
' KYC verification ' the thing that I feel really makes the least sense in how to operate the next steps, but I don't mean to avoid it.

For valid identities, I think gambling platforms have not too strict verification steps, so if we don't want to provide real information, we can absolutely use alternative information, and in case as the OP assumes, I think things are quite comfortable when winning prizes and withdrawing money is simply a matter of providing your identity, so there's nothing to fear if that money is more important than your reputation, and in the case of people with important identities, they may not need that money.

That's the wrong approach. I should beforehand consider whether I would be willing to provide full KYC to the known or unknown operators of a casino. If the answer to myself is that I won't provide KYC, wouldn't it be totally wrong to start playing on that website? At least if I have to deposit money and am not playing with either free bets or free spins, I should make sure what to do when the unlikely event happens that I crack a jackpot. Unless I would be playing with free money where in the end it doesn't matter whether I can withdraw (although it could still be painful, but I don't lose any), I would not play on a website that I don't trust.


Title: Re: How Much do you Value your Privacy in Gambling?
Post by: passwordnow on October 24, 2023, 06:33:18 PM
With that amount, that's already a lot of money honestly and the majority of us wouldn't mind going on with the procedure of providing for the KYC. I know that we all value our privacy but with that win and money, do you think that you can just ignore that? If you're rich like Drake or any other gamblers then for sure it won't matter to you but I think even, they won't just let it pass to ignore that money.

It is a lot of money to ignore and if you ever have that stand that you are totally valuing your privacy, you probably also have provided KYC in some exchanges so it doesn't make sense if in a casino where you've won a lot and they're asking you for verification will not be noticed. In exchanges, we do it so we can trade whilst in this scenario there's money on the line and it's hard to pass over that.

Aside from that, if you really like the casino that you're gambling with and they ask you to do that. That's something that will take away your joy when you like them so much and you enjoy having fun there.



Title: Re: How Much do you Value your Privacy in Gambling?
Post by: shogun47 on October 24, 2023, 11:38:46 PM
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This is where their license will come in. Whatever country has jurisdiction over the said gambling site could provide some help to the gamblers who are scammed, the gambler can sue them for not giving out the rewards that are supposed to be his. Most scammy gambling sites don't have a license to operate and we must also look into that first before we pass our KYC.
Without it, we will just get ourselves in more trouble with both anti-money laundering cases and maybe tax evasion.
For the example you said, if ever there comes a victim of a scam gambling site who is still avoiding all the passed information by the gambler, there is nothing we can do to chase everything that they took.
KYC is for those with legitimate business because they don't want trouble from their government and I think it's also a good thing for higher security. Other gambling sites only do this so they can sell our information in the black market and that's when we will receive some phishing emails or identity theft.

Thanks for sharing this and I have often wondered, how do I know which license is the right one and which is not? I am referring to the potential recourse you can take based on the specific license obtained by a casino. When I read these certificate numbers and letters, it is mostly hieroglyphs to me. How can I find out whether a specific license can help me with any action I may want to take against a casino in case of required arbitration or litigation? Sure, if there is no license at all, we don't even need to bother about KYC and let alone any money we won on that platform. But if they have a license, is there a place on the Internet I can go to and that tells me about the options I have in case of a dispute?


Title: Re: How Much do you Value your Privacy in Gambling?
Post by: BitcoinTurk on October 25, 2023, 02:43:08 AM
So, let's assume you luckily won anything as from $70,000 and above with a total bet below $100, and to withdraw this money, or even part of it, the casino requires you to pass all levels of verification in their system, which means that you will have to provide them all your personally information down to the most private of them all, and this casino is relatively new and you are not sure about their reputation.

Will you go ahead and provide them all they require from you for account verification, so they can process your withdrawal request, or will you willingly forfeit such amount of money back to the casino on the account that your private information is more expensive than that amount of money you have own from them?

I love to read your thoughts on this.

First of all, I would like to point out that if the casino service I will use doesn't have a good reputation I definitely don't prefer this service for gambling because a business that doesn't have a reputation usually contributes significantly to the emergence of various problems. Additionally, verification of customers' identity information is generally mandated by the government in online and physical casinos. For this reason, sharing identity and private information after choosing a non-reputable gambling service is abused due to this obligation.

The only suggestion I can make about such a situation is to do research on the casino service to be used before starting to gamble and if it is a reputable business choose to gamble there. In this way, if identity verification is requested after a potential high win the identity verification process can be completed without any suspicion and the winnings withdrawal can be completed successfully.


Title: Re: How Much do you Value your Privacy in Gambling?
Post by: Reatim on October 25, 2023, 04:20:35 AM
' KYC verification ' the thing that I feel really makes the least sense in how to operate the next steps, but I don't mean to avoid it.

For valid identities, I think gambling platforms have not too strict verification steps, so if we don't want to provide real information, we can absolutely use alternative information, and in case as the OP assumes, I think things are quite comfortable when winning prizes and withdrawing money is simply a matter of providing your identity, so there's nothing to fear if that money is more important than your reputation, and in the case of people with important identities, they may not need that money.
For the last couple of years , people keep talking and questioning about KYC in Online gambling specially in Crypto world when the truth is  KYC must be Mandatory if they don't want to have bigger problem in the future.
imagine when you need to withdraw above the limit of the site when you need to go through providing your legitimacy as winner ,
why not provide this earlier?
and the problem also in some site that they are not implementing KYC in account creation and in depositing ,but they will implement when there is withdrawal ,showing that they are only trapping gamblers and take the advantage or possibilities that the said withdrawal will not go through because of questionable players.


Title: Re: How Much do you Value your Privacy in Gambling?
Post by: Outhue on October 25, 2023, 08:09:04 AM
By not gambling at all, this is the only way to protect your privacy in gambling, because for the safety of gamblers we need to use a regulated casino for our good, you aren't safe either if you start using any casino that promised you that no form of verification will be carried out.

Trust me, such casinos are capable of doing anything they like because asking for KYC is an act of legal operation, nothing makes sense than a casino having the appropriate license, before you make deposit on any casinos you must be certain that they follow the regulations or else your money isn't safe either, not even your information is protected.

If you crave for privacy when gambling, use crypto for your bets and use a well regulated casino, if you don't like KYC do not gamble, find something else to do, but if you don't care about your privacy and information, you can use any casino you see, including those that don't need your KYC.


Title: Re: How Much do you Value your Privacy in Gambling?
Post by: Blitzboy on October 25, 2023, 10:40:03 AM
So, let's assume you luckily won anything as from $70,000 and above with a total bet below $100, and to withdraw this money, or even part of it, the casino requires you to pass all levels of verification in their system, which means that you will have to provide them all your personally information down to the most private of them all, and this casino is relatively new and you are not sure about their reputation.

Will you go ahead and provide them all they require from you for account verification, so they can process your withdrawal request, or will you willingly forfeit such amount of money back to the casino on the account that your private information is more expensive than that amount of money you have own from them?

I love to read your thoughts on this.

First of all, I would like to point out that if the casino service I will use doesn't have a good reputation I definitely don't prefer this service for gambling because a business that doesn't have a reputation usually contributes significantly to the emergence of various problems. Additionally, verification of customers' identity information is generally mandated by the government in online and physical casinos. For this reason, sharing identity and private information after choosing a non-reputable gambling service is abused due to this obligation.

The only suggestion I can make about such a situation is to do research on the casino service to be used before starting to gamble and if it is a reputable business choose to gamble there. In this way, if identity verification is requested after a potential high win the identity verification process can be completed without any suspicion and the winnings withdrawal can be completed successfully.
Reputation is very important. The image of a casino is very important to gamblers because the industry is full of dishonest businesses and problems. The problems that come up when a business doesnt have a good reputation arent small things; they're disasters ready to happen. On the surface, the problem may seem simple, but its actually caused by a complex web of possible problems.

You made it clear that identity checking is more than just a formality. Because i's required by the government, dishonest companies can twist and turn it to suit their own needs. Its not just about winning; its also about keeping your money and reputation safe. As you said, the solution isnt revolutionary, but it is undeniably important: more study. Just picking a reputable business isnt enough; you have to dig deep, look closely, and stay aware all the time. Not only is it important to play the game well, but also to understand all of its subtleties.


Title: Re: How Much do you Value your Privacy in Gambling?
Post by: Weawant on October 25, 2023, 12:19:04 PM

So, for some days now, I've had this thought of "how much some people really value their privacy in gambling", like as a gambler, you signed up on a new casino and immediately, you are allowed to deposit and play without going through a KYC verification process like we do on some casinos immediately after registration.
You start playing and luckily, you won a significant amount of money.

I know the word "significant" can mean different values for different gamblers, so let's use figures i personally think are significant and capable of changing lives.

So, let's assume you luckily won anything as from $70,000 and above with a total bet below $100, and to withdraw this money, or even part of it, the casino requires you to pass all levels of verification in their system, which means that you will have to provide them all your personally information down to the most private of them all, and this casino is relatively new and you are not sure about their reputation.

Will you go ahead and provide them all they require from you for account verification, so they can process your withdrawal request, or will you willingly forfeit such amount of money back to the casino on the account that your private information is more expensive than that amount of money you have own from them?

I love to read your thoughts on this.
This is why it's very important to sign up with only regulated casinos, casinos who are regulated within your region is easier to deal with Incase such as this but if they are not  registered and regulated they could get away with any act and legal actions cannot be taken against them. If they happen to be a reputable and regulated casino, you can go ahead and provide them with the required information after all the money is Worth it.

Not providing the information is at your detriment, I'm sure these casino wouldn't want to dig into your personal life and if they eventually request certain details, it's possible you make changes after withdrawal to continually keep yourself safe, and if any issues arises resulting from the information you provided them you could report them or take actions against them if they are reputable enough, they would do everything to get the issues resolved and make sure further actions is not taken as it will be bad business for them and they wouldn't want such for their business.


Title: Re: How Much do you Value your Privacy in Gambling?
Post by: boyptc on October 25, 2023, 12:23:42 PM
By not gambling at all, this is the only way to protect your privacy in gambling
I agree.

By the time that you step on into a casino, you're gonna expose your data on them and you have no choice but to be obliged on obeying them.

Even if there's a casino that tells you that you are 100% KYC safe and they'll never ask you that in the future, still don't be confident.

On the case of getting that money, I can do a lot of things with that. So be it, privacy matters or not, you'll gonna get KYCed so you have got no option though.


Title: Re: How Much do you Value your Privacy in Gambling?
Post by: Lanatsa on October 25, 2023, 01:06:33 PM

So, for some days now, I've had this thought of "how much some people really value their privacy in gambling", like as a gambler, you signed up on a new casino and immediately, you are allowed to deposit and play without going through a KYC verification process like we do on some casinos immediately after registration.
You start playing and luckily, you won a significant amount of money.

I know the word "significant" can mean different values for different gamblers, so let's use figures i personally think are significant and capable of changing lives.

So, let's assume you luckily won anything as from $70,000 and above with a total bet below $100, and to withdraw this money, or even part of it, the casino requires you to pass all levels of verification in their system, which means that you will have to provide them all your personally information down to the most private of them all, and this casino is relatively new and you are not sure about their reputation.

Will you go ahead and provide them all they require from you for account verification, so they can process your withdrawal request, or will you willingly forfeit such amount of money back to the casino on the account that your private information is more expensive than that amount of money you have own from them?

I love to read your thoughts on this.
This is why it's very important to sign up with only regulated casinos, casinos who are regulated within your region is easier to deal with Incase such as this but if they are not  registered and regulated they could get away with any act and legal actions cannot be taken against them. If they happen to be a reputable and regulated casino, you can go ahead and provide them with the required information after all the money is Worth it.

Not providing the information is at your detriment, I'm sure these casino wouldn't want to dig into your personal life and if they eventually request certain details, it's possible you make changes after withdrawal to continually keep yourself safe, and if any issues arises resulting from the information you provided them you could report them or take actions against them if they are reputable enough, they would do everything to get the issues resolved and make sure further actions is not taken as it will be bad business for them and they wouldn't want such for their business.
A must thing to do but there are really that people who are really that adventurous and does really like to touch up new places or platforms then this is where they do really put up themselves at risks which i dont really see for it to be worth but since we do know that not all sites or new ones would really be turning out to be a scam then there's a probability that theres a chance  that it would really be that become successful or popular in the future. No one really knows because recognition and demand will really be that basing or depending on how a certain platform would really perform and able to get peoples attention.

Privacy does really matter on this crypto world because this industry wont really be that become big and known if it is really just that the same with that fiat gambling on which we know that our information is really that been exposed or known in default. On the time that you do really be able to encounter such sudden KYC on crypto based platforms then it would really be that creating that some sort of
impression that it isnt really just that right that decentralized market will really go or touch up into this path.


Title: Re: How Much do you Value your Privacy in Gambling?
Post by: CryptoHeadlineNews on October 25, 2023, 04:39:27 PM

So, let's assume you luckily won anything as from $70,000 and above with a total bet below $100, and to withdraw this money, or even part of it, the casino requires you to pass all levels of verification in their system, which means that you will have to provide them all your personally information down to the most private of them all, and this casino is relatively new and you are not sure about their reputation.

Will you go ahead and provide them all they require from you for account verification, so they can process your withdrawal request, or will you willingly forfeit such amount of money back to the casino on the account that your private information is more expensive than that amount of money you have own from them?

I love to read your thoughts on this.
When it comes to issues with money, I doubt if there will be anybody willing to choose "privacy" over a life-changing money (i.e $70,000) in this present economy where "Sapa don dey show people Shege" (i.e Nigerian slang which means hungry people). Because if it is I personally, I will say that I can only go for privacy, if only with my privacy I'm able to make more than $70,000 early weekly or monthly. But if with my privacy, I'm still not able to make regular $70,000, then I don't mind submitting all the necessary information just to get my $70,000. Because I didn't steal the money, I worked hard for it, and every good labourer deserves his wages.


Title: Re: How Much do you Value your Privacy in Gambling?
Post by: maydna on October 25, 2023, 04:56:51 PM
By not gambling at all, this is the only way to protect your privacy in gambling, because for the safety of gamblers we need to use a regulated casino for our good, you aren't safe either if you start using any casino that promised you that no form of verification will be carried out.

Trust me, such casinos are capable of doing anything they like because asking for KYC is an act of legal operation, nothing makes sense than a casino having the appropriate license, before you make deposit on any casinos you must be certain that they follow the regulations or else your money isn't safe either, not even your information is protected.

If you crave for privacy when gambling, use crypto for your bets and use a well regulated casino, if you don't like KYC do not gamble, find something else to do, but if you don't care about your privacy and information, you can use any casino you see, including those that don't need your KYC.
Not gambling online, not shopping online, and not doing anything online may protect them in terms of privacy because they don't need to verify their accounts so they can feel safe because they don't submit any documents to second or third parties. That's why we need to look for a casino that suits us, and it's not easy because we have to check them one by one and not rely on advice from other people. After all, what someone else uses may be different from what we want.

Casinos can do whatever they like, and this is where we have to check in more detail so that we know that the casino will not cause problems for its members. Trusted casinos will not have any problems because it is related to their reputation. Instead, they will explain everything to their customers who need help understanding more about the rules of their casino. They can use crypto to gamble, but we have to remember that casinos can ask us to do KYC anytime they want, so we have to make sure that we can get a casino that suits us.


Title: Re: How Much do you Value your Privacy in Gambling?
Post by: Cookdata on October 25, 2023, 05:07:17 PM
So, let's assume you luckily won anything as from $70,000 and above with a total bet below $100, and to withdraw this money, or even part of it, the casino requires you to pass all levels of verification in their system, which means that you will have to provide them all your personally information down to the most private of them all, and this casino is relatively new and you are not sure about their reputation.

Will you go ahead and provide them all they require from you for account verification, so they can process your withdrawal request, or will you willingly forfeit such amount of money back to the casino on the account that your private information is more expensive than that amount of money you have own from them?

I love to read your thoughts on this.

First of all, before any serious gambler use any casino, first thing he ought to have check is if the Casino requires a KYC or not, if you are the type that sidestep casinos with a mandatory KYC, it's better you avoid them quickly and if giving your last family to have your money isn't a problem to you then, it's nothing to worry about but I will advise you to do a KYC before you start playing in any casino, there are instances where Casino can reject your documents just so they can stop you from having access to your winnings, it happens.

The whole saga about KYC and gambling isn't an issue to me because if you are not playing in a casino that doesn't request for KYC, then the gambler should know from beginning that there privacy doesn't matter to them, the very day they signed up and register an account is the day they forgone their privacy, playing in a KYC casino means your privacy is gone.



Title: Re: How Much do you Value your Privacy in Gambling?
Post by: leonair on October 25, 2023, 05:07:50 PM

So, let's assume you luckily won anything as from $70,000 and above with a total bet below $100, and to withdraw this money, or even part of it, the casino requires you to pass all levels of verification in their system, which means that you will have to provide them all your personally information down to the most private of them all, and this casino is relatively new and you are not sure about their reputation.

Will you go ahead and provide them all they require from you for account verification, so they can process your withdrawal request, or will you willingly forfeit such amount of money back to the casino on the account that your private information is more expensive than that amount of money you have own from them?

I love to read your thoughts on this.
When it comes to issues with money, I doubt if there will be anybody willing to choose "privacy" over a life-changing money (i.e $70,000) in this present economy where "Sapa don dey show people Shege" (i.e Nigerian slang which means hungry people). Because if it is I personally, I will say that I can only go for privacy, if only with my privacy I'm able to make more than $70,000 early weekly or monthly. But if with my privacy, I'm still not able to make regular $70,000, then I don't mind submitting all the necessary information just to get my $70,000. Because I didn't steal the money, I worked hard for it, and every good labourer deserves his wages.
Yes, Privacy is not an issue for $70000. Because with such an amount it is possible to change the whole life. So I don't think anyone would care about his privacy for such an amount at least at that time. And kyc is mandatory in almost all sites so doing kyc is not a problem even if you don't get an amount like $70k. But if not a large amount of money is involved, people may be a bit concerned about their privacy.  But when someone uses a trusted site they don't even have this thought


Title: Re: How Much do you Value your Privacy in Gambling?
Post by: Wakate on October 25, 2023, 07:01:04 PM
By not gambling at all, this is the only way to protect your privacy in gambling
I agree.

By the time that you step on into a casino, you're gonna expose your data on them and you have no choice but to be obliged on obeying them.

Even if there's a casino that tells you that you are 100% KYC safe and they'll never ask you that in the future, still don't be confident.

On the case of getting that money, I can do a lot of things with that. So be it, privacy matters or not, you'll gonna get KYCed so you have got no option though.
There is a limited privacy when we use a casino to bet but it might get worse when we start submitting our information on casinos for KYC without checking the casino if they can be trusted or not. Those that knows how to bet on non KYC casinos are more safe than people on a non KYC casinos where they would drop their information and they don't know how the team intend to do with their information. We can only gamble on a KYC casino if we know the team are highly trusted with good and high review although that is not a guarantee that we need to submit our information on a casino.


Title: Re: How Much do you Value your Privacy in Gambling?
Post by: Wiwo on October 25, 2023, 08:30:41 PM

So, let's assume you luckily won anything as from $70,000 and above with a total bet below $100, and to withdraw this money, or even part of it, the casino requires you to pass all levels of verification in their system, which means that you will have to provide them all your personally information down to the most private of them all, and this casino is relatively new and you are not sure about their reputation.

Will you go ahead and provide them all they require from you for account verification, so they can process your withdrawal request, or will you willingly forfeit such amount of money back to the casino on the account that your private information is more expensive than that amount of money you have own from them?

I love to read your thoughts on this.
When it comes to issues with money, I doubt if there will be anybody willing to choose "privacy" over a life-changing money (i.e $70,000) in this present economy where "Sapa don dey show people Shege" (i.e. Nigerian slang which means hungry people). Because if it is I personally, I will say that I can only go for privacy, if only with my privacy I'm able to make more than $70,000 early weekly or monthly. But if with my privacy, I'm still not able to make regular $70,000, then I don't mind submitting all the necessary information just to get my $70,000. Because I didn't steal the money, I worked hard for it, and every good labourer deserves his wages.

To some extent, we have to be more proactive in our approach to the security of funds and data because sometimes our data are gravely exposed by those performs that we provide them with them for kyc procedure,  but then we have to everly settle this issue even before we make any deposits into the casinos not being amazed when we are being asked to provide some sensitive documents to verify accounts which we have already won a significantly huge amount in.

The best way to go about this issue is to choose wisely the casino that we want to gamble on and also make sure that we agree with their terms of service before we open an account in such casinos and also make sure that we read and understand the terms of service of that casino to decide whether or not we are willing to face their rules such like kKYC


Title: Re: How Much do you Value your Privacy in Gambling?
Post by: fullhdpixel on October 26, 2023, 08:38:22 AM
One the terms and conditions of about gambling companies is never to share their customers personal data to any third party unless it happens that a customer involves himself in any illegal engagement in the company that requires them to provide personal information to a third party and most times the third party will always be a legal firm. So that's why I don't think anyone should be worried in providing their personal information to gambling companies except the person in question has in engaged in some illegal activities.
I beg to disagree. It's still much better to be careful than to be sorry later on. You can't really guarantee that a casino will not sold your personal information to other third party applications because some don't really keep their word, especially those sites that just suddenly emerged and are still new to the industry, which means there's still no reputation to uphold and to stand by. If ever you will give your personal information such as your full name, address and the likes, always make sure that you are giving it to a trusted site. Because if you happen to trust the wrong website, your identity can be robbed in a snap, and your card details can be used and be exposed to thieves.
But who will fully trust a new website anyway? We won't even get encouraged to deposit on them. How much more giving our personal information? They need to show their worth first or better if they won't ask a KYC first, so that they can still get some customers.

Casino is already a profitable business so owners should be contented already of what they are earning. Not that they will sold their customer's personal information to make more income. That's a greedy attitude. Even if let say they can get away with it. I believe there are still a bad karma that can haunt them later on where they can experience a tragic event in their lives.


Title: Re: How Much do you Value your Privacy in Gambling?
Post by: Wakate on October 26, 2023, 09:40:26 AM
' KYC verification ' the thing that I feel really makes the least sense in how to operate the next steps, but I don't mean to avoid it.

For valid identities, I think gambling platforms have not too strict verification steps, so if we don't want to provide real information, we can absolutely use alternative information, and in case as the OP assumes, I think things are quite comfortable when winning prizes and withdrawing money is simply a matter of providing your identity, so there's nothing to fear if that money is more important than your reputation, and in the case of people with important identities, they may not need that money.
I thinking using an alternative information can be a disaster if the team of the casino find out that we are not using our own information which can always backfired. The best is for us to abstain from casinos that ask for KYC or look for the ones that do ask for simple KYC verification not the one that would ask us about confirmation of our house address and certificates. This kind of verification looks complicated to me and I would never submitted something like this to online casinos when I know that it can pose a big risk to me we mostly when the information get to the wrong hands.


Title: Re: How Much do you Value your Privacy in Gambling?
Post by: Strongkored on October 26, 2023, 10:03:18 AM

Will you go ahead and provide them all they require from you for account verification, so they can process your withdrawal request, or will you willingly forfeit such amount of money back to the casino on the account that your private information is more expensive than that amount of money you have own from them?

I love to read your thoughts on this.
With the amount won compared to the capital used, I'm sure there will be many who will ultimately choose to do KYC because it's hard to just let go of a large amount like that, sometimes there are even players who are willing to do KYC only for an amount of money that is much smaller than that amount.
If you can choose, of course you will still maintain privacy by not carrying out KYC, but unfortunately almost all casinos require KYC if not at the beginning, then at times the casinos feel they have to ask for KYC from us users. That's why it's better not to move casinos just because you're chasing bonuses because KYC will be difficult to avoid.


Title: Re: How Much do you Value your Privacy in Gambling?
Post by: Viscore on October 26, 2023, 10:17:14 AM
``sometimes there are even players who are willing to do KYC only for an amount of money that is much smaller than that amount.


This is true. If the winner is apprehensive about revealing their real information through KYC, they can potentially hire someone to handle it on their behalf and pay a fee after the winnings are withdrawn. However, this is another way, and it's on the illegal side because what is being submitted is not really one's own information. But do gambling sites detect that? Of course not.

Nevertheless, the topic was primarily focused on our personal perceptions, so I still believe that most of us would opt for KYC, especially when the amount involved is hard to resist.


Title: Re: How Much do you Value your Privacy in Gambling?
Post by: boyptc on October 26, 2023, 12:55:07 PM
By not gambling at all, this is the only way to protect your privacy in gambling
I agree.

By the time that you step on into a casino, you're gonna expose your data on them and you have no choice but to be obliged on obeying them.

Even if there's a casino that tells you that you are 100% KYC safe and they'll never ask you that in the future, still don't be confident.

On the case of getting that money, I can do a lot of things with that. So be it, privacy matters or not, you'll gonna get KYCed so you have got no option though.
There is a limited privacy when we use a casino to bet but it might get worse when we start submitting our information on casinos for KYC without checking the casino if they can be trusted or not. Those that knows how to bet on non KYC casinos are more safe than people on a non KYC casinos where they would drop their information and they don't know how the team intend to do with their information. We can only gamble on a KYC casino if we know the team are highly trusted with good and high review although that is not a guarantee that we need to submit our information on a casino.
There are casinos that are also known for asking KYC but as long as you're allowed to gamble on their platform without having the need to KYC, it's because that you're not yet triggering them.

I agree also that if you're okay with KYC, make sure that you're submitting it to the casino that you trust.

Because not all of them are trustworthy especially if it's about not just the money or crypto we deposit but also with our information and IDs that we send to them.


Title: Re: How Much do you Value your Privacy in Gambling?
Post by: BitcoinTurk on October 27, 2023, 03:52:13 PM
Reputation is very important. The image of a casino is very important to gamblers because the industry is full of dishonest businesses and problems. The problems that come up when a business doesnt have a good reputation arent small things; they're disasters ready to happen. On the surface, the problem may seem simple, but its actually caused by a complex web of possible problems.

You made it clear that identity checking is more than just a formality. Because i's required by the government, dishonest companies can twist and turn it to suit their own needs. Its not just about winning; its also about keeping your money and reputation safe. As you said, the solution isnt revolutionary, but it is undeniably important: more study. Just picking a reputable business isnt enough; you have to dig deep, look closely, and stay aware all the time. Not only is it important to play the game well, but also to understand all of its subtleties.

Reputation is a very important thing not only for a casino business, it's important for every business but since we are commenting on the casino here I would like to continue without making generalizations about all businesses. Yes, unfortunately, users have a serious trust problem especially in the gambling industry and this means that gambling businesses need to be more meticulous about reputation. Especially for online casino services, reputation is as important as game variety, payment variety and ease of use. Although many gamblers are ready to lose the budget they use for gambling in these games, they prefer a reputable online casino service so that they can withdraw their money without any problems in case of a possible win.

In addition, it is very important to choose a reputable service for personal information and data security because it will not be easy to predict whether a non-reputable business will use our personal information and data maliciously. Considering that many people's personal data and information are sold on the internet today, there is no guarantee that a disreputable casino company will not sell this data and information.

In short, one of the most important criteria to evaluate especially when choosing an online casino service is reputation. In order to ensure personal data and information confidentiality to ensure money traffic in case of a possible winnigs and to receive perfect support in a possible situation the person must analyze and research the service they will use very well.


Title: Re: How Much do you Value your Privacy in Gambling?
Post by: dezoel on October 27, 2023, 05:29:10 PM
By the time that you step on into a casino, you're gonna expose your data on them and you have no choice but to be obliged on obeying them.

Even if there's a casino that tells you that you are 100% KYC safe and they'll never ask you that in the future, still don't be confident.

On the case of getting that money, I can do a lot of things with that. So be it, privacy matters or not, you'll gonna get KYCed so you have got no option though.
There is a limited privacy when we use a casino to bet but it might get worse when we start submitting our information on casinos for KYC without checking the casino if they can be trusted or not. Those that knows how to bet on non KYC casinos are more safe than people on a non KYC casinos where they would drop their information and they don't know how the team intend to do with their information. We can only gamble on a KYC casino if we know the team are highly trusted with good and high review although that is not a guarantee that we need to submit our information on a casino.
With regulatory pressures all around, there will soon be no no-KYC casinos in the industry and then those who are hesitant to provide their personal details and information to casino platforms will not have a choice but to comply with the rules and regulations imposed by the casinos. I don't say one shouldn't care about their privacy, but when we use the services of a platform, they can obviously ask us for details and information that they might need to verify whether we are clean and aren't involved in anything illegal or something.

Those who have doubts about the integrity of the platforms and think that their information might be misused should find and use the most reputable and trusted platforms of the industry to rest assured that their data is secure and it isn't going to be used for illegal means or wouldn't be sold to third parties.


Title: Re: How Much do you Value your Privacy in Gambling?
Post by: noormcs5 on October 27, 2023, 05:55:16 PM
With regulatory pressures all around, there will soon be no no-KYC casinos in the industry and then those who are hesitant to provide their personal details and information to casino platforms will not have a choice but to comply with the rules and regulations imposed by the casinos. I don't say one shouldn't care about their privacy, but when we use the services of a platform, they can obviously ask us for details and information that they might need to verify whether we are clean and aren't involved in anything illegal or something.

Well, we are already living in a world where there is no KYC casino. The casinos that are completely KYC free are either very new or untrusted ones and playing there is not risk free. Some of them may let you play freely but won't let you withdraw with KYC.
So unless in future we will see some Web 3 decentralized casinos, that may be with the KYC, but right now we are live in a centralized world with KYC.


Those who have doubts about the integrity of the platforms and think that their information might be misused should find and use the most reputable and trusted platforms of the industry to rest assured that their data is secure and it isn't going to be used for illegal means or wouldn't be sold to third parties.

Even trusted platforms can misuse the KYC documents, can't they? What is the proof and guarantee that they will safeguard or protect our data ?
There is no guarantee at all. I don't know why the regulators who enforce the KYC on the customers, do not set the standards for keeping our data safe too, breaching it would result in heavy fines on the casinos and centralized gambling sites.


Title: Re: How Much do you Value your Privacy in Gambling?
Post by: Nerdy doctor on October 27, 2023, 06:19:02 PM

When it comes to issues with money, I doubt if there will be anybody willing to choose "privacy" over a life-changing money (i.e $70,000) in this present economy where "Sapa don dey show people Shege" (i.e Nigerian slang which means hungry people). Because if it is I personally, I will say that I can only go for privacy, if only with my privacy I'm able to make more than $70,000 early weekly or monthly. But if with my privacy, I'm still not able to make regular $70,000, then I don't mind submitting all the necessary information just to get my $70,000. Because I didn't steal the money, I worked hard for it, and every good labourer deserves his wages.

There are people who value their privacy over 70k. Such people know the value of information and won’t be willing to put their information on just any online casino for a meagre amount of 70k.
Putting privacy in quotes like it is nothing compared to a “life changing money” of 70 grand is wild. 70k is admittedly a lot of money that, if utilized just right, can go a long way but it’s nothing compared to keeping relevant information private.

You may not be making 70k now with your privacy intact. But you can suddenly lose a lot more than 70k with certain information about you available and in the wrong hands.