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Appendix: Listing Pricing

Days in operation	Mixer Price	Exchanger Price
1	$5900	$2950
2	$5800	$2900
3	$5700	$2850
4	$5600	$2800
5	$5500	$2750
6	$5400	$2700
7	$5300	$2650
8	$5200	$2600
9	$5100	$2550
10	$5000	$2500
11	$4900	$2450
12	$4800	$2400
13	$4700	$2350
14	$4600	$2300
15	$4500	$2250
16	$4400	$2200
17	$4300	$2150
18	$4200	$2100
19	$4100	$2050
20	$4000	$2000
21	$3900	$1950
22	$3800	$1900
23	$3700	$1850
24	$3600	$1800
25	$3500	$1750
26	$3400	$1700
27	$3300	$1650
28	$3200	$1600
29	$3100	$1550
30	$3000	$1500
31	$2900	$1450
32	$2800	$1400
33	$2700	$1350
34	$2600	$1300
35	$2500	$1250
36	$2400	$1200
37	$2300	$1150
38	$2200	$1100
39	$2100	$1050
40	$2000	$1000
41	$1900	$950
42	$1800	$900
43	$1700	$850
44	$1600	$800
45	$1500	$750
46	$1400	$700
47	$1300	$650
48	$1200	$600
49	$1100	$550
50	$1000	$500
51	$900	$450
52	$800	$400
53	$700	$350
54	$600	$300
55+	$500	$250

All packages include complimentary testing, AML analysis, and live order placements at "shotgun KYC" exchanger services.

Mixers pay $100*(60-days in operation). The price goes down by $100 every day, so think about whether you actually need expedited listing before purchasing.

All exchangers pay $50*(60-days in operation). The prices reflect the significantly larger number of exchangers in the industry, and also the much higher risk a user faces when using an exchange compared to using a mixer.

Whether this thread stays or not is admin's discretion, but I'm not going to delete anyone's posts myself.

11 days later, it is finally complete!

Secure Connection Failed

An error occurred during a connection to bitmixlist.com.

    The page you are trying to view cannot be shown because the authenticity of the received data could not be verified.
    Please contact the website owners to inform them of this problem.

That's a lot of time and effort I imagine you put into there although I can not load the site on my side.

I can not wait to see it.

Cheers,

I don't know if it's some random downtime or a planned maintenance, so I thought I could alert you here just in case. The Tor mirror works just fine as of now.

Phishing sites are going to love this change! Google has shown ads for fake mixers for years.

I don't think your topic linking to a list of mixers will survive on Bitcointalk after January 1st though. After that it'll have to compete with the exising lists, and as far as I've seen in the past, many of them advertise phishing sites.

Non-promotionally linking to a mixer's ANN thread will be allowed, whether or not it's a defunct mixer.

I don't know, but banning signatures and all promotional activities would be enough.

- Mixer URLs will be automatically wordfiltered out, but you can still discuss mixers otherwise.

There's also this part:
I guess we'll have to see how compatible that is with linking to a site that lists all URLs.

It's OK.

Even more reason why this should not be banned from bitcointalk.

~ allowing them has become too risky/problematic, and it's only going to get worse. Imagine ~ our service providers suddenly banning us due to being "associated" with mixers

BitMixList is under attack by web hosts. (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5477673.msg63315871#msg63315871)

On the contrary, this is one of the reasons listed by theymos for banning mixers:

Service providers should not be banning people for posting links to resources

I don't think I'm going to be migrating anytime soon after this, but for now I will probably turn on Cloudflare for better caching and so I don't expose my hardware to DDoS.

I'm glad to hear that the site is back up and running.  Out of curiosity, who is currently hosting it? I hope you don't mind me asking.

And, since there are active links to mixer sites, did you check with the new host to make sure that's allowed in their terms of service? I hope this transition goes smoothly for you and you don't run into any more surprises.

Congratulations NotATether.

I have just one comment for now.

I think swap services are not DEX. For example, exceto.https://exch.cx/is a great swap service but it is centralized,  isn't it?

Esit: maybe you could use "non kyc exchanges/swaps"

Imagine what kind of low-life it takes to have an issue with a brand-new mixer list....

The Internet is seriously flawed if everyone needs to huddle behind these huge centralized anti-DDoS companies in order to survive...

Many mixers in the past got DDoSsed shortly after they posted on Bitcointalk. I can only speculate why: Take out competitors? Phishing sites wanting full attention? Force them to use Cloudflare?

As theymos wrote:

But this is not a mixer service, this is just a list of mixers.

Why would anyone be so interested in that, especially when there are so many other lists on the internet doing fine?

For the moment, BitMixList and the onion site are both down. The server is not responding, but I cannot confirm whether it is a DDoS. I'm working on fixing this issue.

Why would anyone be so interested in that, especially when there are so many other lists on the internet doing fine?

Sorry to hear this but I know some guys who own regular website unrelated with bitcoin and it get's ddos attacks all the time.
Shutting down websites can be profitable, but some people are doing it for fun, believe it or not.

How come cloudflare is not mitigating the attack? Aren't you using their protection services?

BitMixList and the onion site are back online

I was. But somehow they were still able to get a hold of my IP address. Exactly how they did it I don't know. Once they had it then they could send as many Layer 3/4 packets as they wanted since Cloudflare doesn't protect you from that. At least the free version doesn't, it only does layer 7 protection.

Something is considered a mixer if it meets all of these requirements:
 1. It has a feature advertised for taking property, improving its privacy somehow, and then returning roughly the same type of property.
     a. Even though you can sometimes use non-mixers to mix coins by depositing and then withdrawing, this doesn't make it a mixer because this is an incidental use of the service; the service isn't advertised as privacy-enhancing.
     b. If a site is not primarily a mixer but has a mixer function, such as a mixer function on a gambling website, then the whole site is considered a mixer.
     c. If the site takes coins, gives you a possibly-transferrable IOU, and will convert this IOU back into mixed coins much later, then the temporary conversion into a different type of property does not prevent it from being considered a mixer.
     d. If the site internally converts your deposit into other things as part of its mixing, but ultimately the point of the product is to get your original type of property back, then that's a mixer, not an exchanger.
 2. It is possible for the mixer to steal property passing through it. Assume that the sender does everything as correctly as possible. Also assume that no miners/verifiers on the base-layer cryptocurrency are evil. But assume that every other actor involved is evil (everyone able to vote in a DAO, every coordination server, every counterparty, every member of a multisig, etc.). Ignore short-term software bugs which are expected to be quickly fixed.
 3. The service does not collect KYC-type info from all users. (This is not an endorsement of KYC generally, or a condemnation of non-KYC services generally. Non-KYC services of other types are still allowed, and in many cases they are a good idea.)

Whirlpool is designed to be decentralized, meaning there is no central coordinator overseeing the mixing process.

The most common type of Coinjoin is known as an ‘Centrally Coordinated’ one, where there are often many participants in each transaction. An example of this is the Samourai Wallet Whirlpool implementation. In this type of setup, multiple users connect to a central coordinator which acts as a the central authority between all participants....

@NotATether is everything working fine for your website, or is it just error on my side?
I tried visiting clearnet link with several browsers and they are all showing me 403 Forbidden error message.

@NotATether is everything working fine for your website, or is it just error on my side?
I tried visiting clearnet link with several browsers and they are all showing me 403 Forbidden error message.
Onion link appears to be working fine.

https://www.talkimg.com/images/2024/01/08/sJPEJ.jpeg

NotATether, do you think that the mixer who tried to upgrade trust in his service through a staged case still deserves a place on this list?
I think about this (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5479766.0)

Or at least you could add another field in the table with a warning and a link to the scam accusation thread.

I had a chance to check your site. Well done. I hope you are generating good traffic. Can you PM me a stat about the traffic you are generating?

Cheers,

are you sure you went to BitMixList.org and not BitMixList.com?

See above reply to examplens - I'm a bit busy at the moment, but when I get the chance, I might collect metrics for a few weeks and see what it's like.

Even I do not know the traffic stats (yet) :)

I am constantly looking for more mirrors to chuck this on, as it is less about the mixer ban now and more about free speech.

<a href="http://bitmixlist.w3spaces.com">bitmixlist.wordpress.com</a>

You made a copying error in your list of mirrors:

I can host knightmirror.bitmixlist.org for you, if you want. I've allocated 100 MB disk usage, 100 GB bandwidth. All you need to do is create a subdomain DNS entry to 103.214.6.202.
At the moment it only mirrors the main page, without images. How can I best keep everything updated?

It's a single-page site so you should use something like wget --mirror -np -k ...other options you want... https://bitmixlist.org to get all the resources including images, css, scripts from the main site.

@NotATether, so far what we have on the list are mixers which were launched here and most of them vetted by forum members. In the future, will you start listing mixers that will be launched or announced elsewhere?
For example, I have seen some mixer announced in another forum, but it's still new so hard to know if it's genuine just yet.

You can fix forcing the word (link) to break in the UL tag that list the mirrors


This works, just tested.

I can host knightmirror.bitmixlist.org for you, if you want. I've allocated 100 MB disk usage, 100 GB bandwidth. All you need to do is create a subdomain DNS entry to 103.214.6.202.
At the moment it only mirrors the main page, without images. How can I best keep everything updated?

I have received some PMs from new mixers asking me to add their links, so basically I'm trying to add every single resource as long as it's not dubious or a fraud service. Hence why things like Sinbad are not here.

Watch out for this PM's.
I would be very careful with any new mixing services as you can't really prove if they are a fraud or not.
There is also one new scam accusation that was posted few days ago but I can't really say if this is genuine or not.

This offer is still available and updates have been working for a month. Will you create the DNS subdomain?

By the way, how are you updating the mirror?

wget -q --mirror -np -k https://bitmixlist.org

<li><a href="index.html">bitmixlist.org</a></li>

Please be advised that you may see a "Google Safe Browsing" warning when going to BitMixList.org on a Chrome-based browser. Apparently, I was told by Google Search Console that the page has "harmful content" though it doesn't say what.

One small correction,
You added AgoraDesk, eXch, Tradeogre and other exchange services under the list of Private DEXs, but most of them are not decentralized.
Only Bisq is DEX from that list, so maybe you should rename from DEX to Exchanges, if you want to put them all together.

https://www.talkimg.com/images/2024/02/23/Y1god.jpeg

Does anyone know why ScamAdvisor is showing BitMixList as being "very risky"?  ???

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We identified an SSL certificate meaning that the data shared between your browser and the website is encrypted and cannot be read by others. SSL certificates are always used by legit and safe websites. Unfortunately scammers increasingly also use SSL certificates so it is no guarantee that you are visiting a reliable website.

The site explains it (I'm not adding a link because I don't want to reward them with another backlink):
Yadda yadda yadda :D

Does anyone know why ScamAdvisor is showing BitMixList as being "very risky"?  ???

(read the news).

I can't find anything. What did I miss?

I can't find anything. What did I miss?

It seems it's time to remove YoMix and 4 other mixers (read the news).

I also have no idea why you didn’t contact me about advertising, considering how long we’ve been working in the place.  :-\

This is serious and I wasn't aware of it till now.

PM me the list of questionable mixers. I was only able to find the @bitmover link so I'm definitely missing more.

PureMixer told me in a private conversation that they are now completely closed (forever).

In addition, delving into this case, I was able to talk to some people whose level of knowledge is colossal. And they shared information that sinbad was not confiscated by the authorities, saying that this was just a very well-developed trick to relieve tension. Which is quite logical... considering that chainalysis reported that after the closure of sinbad that YoMix's turnover increased 5 times. Secondly, this was the first time that a stub was placed in the site’s corporate style (some people appreciated LZ’s humor).

"The Federal Bureau of Investigation has seized the service in accordance with a seizure warrant pursuant to 18 U.S.C. 981 and 982 as part of a coordinated international law-enforcement operation."

Thanks for posting screenshots with more information, but I don't understand this last part.
I can't be certain what exactly happened and if something was staged and fake, but I looked for government sources in the time that incident happened.
There was official statement from US state department claiming they sanctioned and seized sinbad, and U think there was even a seizure number posted somewhere:
https://home.treasury.gov/news/press-releases/jy1933
https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/security/us-seizes-sinbad-crypto-mixer-used-by-north-korean-lazarus-hackers/

But looking at this again now, and maybe it was just sanctioned, not actually seized.

Thanks for posting screenshots with more information, but I don't understand this last part.
I can't be certain what exactly happened and if something was staged and fake, but I looked for government sources in the time that incident happened.
There was official statement from US state department claiming they sanctioned and seized sinbad, and U think there was even a seizure number posted somewhere:
https://home.treasury.gov/news/press-releases/jy1933
https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/security/us-seizes-sinbad-crypto-mixer-used-by-north-korean-lazarus-hackers/

But looking at this again now, and maybe it was just sanctioned, not actually seized.

WASHINGTON — Today, the U.S. Department of the Treasury’s Office of Foreign Assets Control (OFAC) sanctioned Sinbad.io (Sinbad), a virtual currency mixer that serves as a key money-laundering tool of the OFAC-designated Lazarus Group, a state-sponsored cyber hacking group of the Democratic People’s Republic of Korea (DPRK).

In addition, delving into this case, I was able to talk to some people whose level of knowledge is colossal. And they shared information that sinbad was not confiscated by the authorities, saying that this was just a very well-developed trick to relieve tension. Which is quite logical... considering that chainalysis reported that after the closure of sinbad that YoMix's turnover increased 5 times. Secondly, this was the first time that a stub was placed in the site’s corporate style (some people appreciated LZ’s humor).

I tend to not agree with this, Sinbad.io(not .onion) was seized and registration data for Sinbad.io similar to what happened with Chipmixer + we have a screenshot from the @fyodnederland account

I'll leave this here (regarding Ym/Cr) ^{[google translator should do a great job through the camera]}.

In addition, delving into this case, I was able to talk to some people whose level of knowledge is colossal. And they shared information that sinbad was not confiscated by the authorities, saying that this was just a very well-developed trick to relieve tension.

The servers of Sinbad.io were seized in the Netherlands and Finland.

Dutch investigative agencies such as the FIOD will continue to crack down on this. This action aimed at Sinbad.io is a heavy blow to organized crime and also serves as an example and warning to founders and users of similar services.

I do like the theory but there is one major thing stopping me from believing it and that is the official statement of the Dutch Financial Intelligence and Investigation Service (FIOD), their official website is www.fiod.nl, and the article regarding seizing Sinbad is found here https://www.fiod.nl/fiod-takes-large-crypto-currency-mixer-off-the-air/ which also contains the same image that was present in Sinbad's website.
The article explicitly says

In addition, delving into this case, I was able to talk to some people whose level of knowledge is colossal. And they shared information that sinbad was not confiscated by the authorities, saying that this was just a very well-developed trick to relieve tension.

I also have no idea why you didn’t contact me about advertising, considering how long we’ve been working in the place.  :-\

Now this reminds me of the account that registered here and posted about the seizure (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5416985.msg63241148#msg63241148) even before any member in the forum got to know about it.

I do believe the domain name and servers were seized, but at the time it did sound like the people operating it would continue. Then Admin locked their topic and banned the OP from Bitcointalk, so it ended here.

I tried to find some type of register or official list of cryptocurrency related websites/mixers that got seized by government, but I couldn't find anything.

@NotATether
It would be great if you could add a special page for all seized old mixers, I think it is important for us to track this and record history.

That's a great idea! But it can't be a separate page, as many of the sites are single-page variants. A section on the main page should do, but I will have to make it detailed.

In the wake of Samourai Wallet being seized (ugh), what do you guys think of me doing an investigation into the circumstances behind the seizure and posting them on the site?

It would have to be on its own page, of course, so that means only on the main domain, with the mirrors linking back to it.

It could potentially be a nuisance if the DDoS attackers come back, but AFAIK I don't believe that I have leaked the IP address this time around.

In the wake of Samourai Wallet being seized (ugh), what do you guys think of me doing an investigation into the circumstances behind the seizure and posting them on the site?

You can do that, it would be interesting reading material, but didn't you say that you can't create separate pages? ;)

Note that it was not only Samourai wallet website that was seized, they also removed their Gitlab page, coordinator is down, and you can't even use it via Sparrow wallet.
I think that samourai old github page is still there but this is outdated code, and all keys previously generated by Samourai should be considered unsafe now.

Sparrow wallet with Whirlpool is not working anymore, so you can consider removing it from list, or moving in separate section.

I honestly do not think that such things as any investigation are the reason for a DDoS attack. For example, bitmover's website bitcoindata.science was also under attack, and there are no accusations or statements about any services on it. Just a few useful tools, mainly for Bitcointalk users.

I am going to wait for a few more days to see if any more services fall before I update the website.

Welp.... more services are shutting down (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5188930.msg64046726#msg64046726). I was going to publish the updates today but that is been postponed in case we see any of the other sites on this list going down.

If mixers, coinjoin wallets, and no-KYC services are supposedly being used to launder billions of dollars, it makes you wonder why they are not going after actual criminals but instead they go after software developers and are forcing anything related to privacy to shut down. Money laundering is just a pretense they are using to restrict freedom and increase how much control they have over people’s lives, just like how the 9/11 attacks were used to justify passing some of the most Orwellian legislation.

Since you mentioned the Orwellian legislation, the Patriot Act, you might be interested to know that they have recently renewed Article 702 of that thing - even going as far to tell employees to find any excuse to justify warrant-less spying on Americans (and me, I guess).

The closer the collapse of the Empire, the crazier it's laws are. ― Marcus Tullius Cicero

https://basicswapdex.com/
https://haveno.exchange/

Looks good. But I am always a b it reluctant when I am asked to install anything in my computer... A swap service shouldn't require that, they could have a web implementation.

If mixers, coinjoin wallets, and no-KYC services are supposedly being used to launder billions of dollars, it makes you wonder why they are not going after actual criminals but instead they go after software developers and are forcing anything related to privacy to shut down. Money laundering is just a pretense they are using to restrict freedom and increase how much control they have over people’s lives, just like how the 9/11 attacks were used to justify passing some of the most Orwellian legislation.

Looks good. But I am always a b it reluctant when I am asked to install anything in my computer... A swap service shouldn't require that, they could have a web implementation.

Maybe they add it in the future

A new player has entered the no KYC exchange market
--snip--

They promise never to freeze any coins from blacklisted addresses but will instead return them to the sender.

When using Zeusmex, you must comply with all applicable laws and regulations. You agree not to misuse our services, engage in fraud or money laundering, or infringe on the rights of others.

At first glance, they don't seem to be super professional and their site gives me strange vibes. Strange to see such an "unfinished product" promoting itself on the forum.

When I access the site, I see this message:
https://www.talkimg.com/images/2024/06/05/cHzuq.png

At the moment, our service is undergoing technical maintenance. All obligations to our clients were fulfilled before starting the maintenance. We apologize for any inconvenience caused. We will keep you informed about future updates.

Their support team is "available to answer any question".
But it looks pretty difficult at first glance:
https://www.talkimg.com/images/2024/06/05/cHFNj.png

Their ToS says:
But never says in which country they operate and respect "laws and regulations".?

They talk about "own liquidity reserves" but I was not able to find any mention of proof of reserves, and they don't tell if you can ask one if needed. Could be nice to have more infos in the FAQ, it is very empty for now.

--snip--

ZeusMEX — instant cryptocurrency exchange.

Unfortunately, due to the financial losses of our investor, our exchange cannot continue to operate at the moment.

Thank you for the details! But my point was only that I find it strange to promote a service which is not ready to operate in a professional way.

Btw, since our conversation, it seems that ZeusMEX updated their ANN and ended their service for now.

New update published, now BitMixList is also listing wasabi coordinators  :)

I am quite surprised (pleasantly) at how many people stepped up to make new coordinators after ZKsnacks shut down theirs. Good job guys.

Do you guys think I should list whirlpool dojos too? Not the main one obviously, but others that still work. Are there still any wallets that even use dojos?

Great addition. However, some of the info listed doesn't quite make sense. The "Platform" category lists coordinators as being either 'WabiSabi' or 'BTCPay Server'. WabiSabi is the name of the coinjoin protocol itself, and it's compatible with both Wasabi and BTCPay Server clients.

The 'founded' category is also misleading since the WabiSabi protocol wasn't implemented anywhere until 2022, so there's no way that a coordinator service could have preceded that date.

I am quite surprised (pleasantly) at how many people stepped up to make new coordinators after ZKsnacks shut down theirs. Good job guys.

Do you guys think I should list whirlpool dojos too? Not the main one obviously, but others that still work. Are there still any wallets that even use dojos?

I don't know if this is possible but government and other malicious actors could create their own coordinator and use it for tracking and monitoring transactions.

It would be good if you could add live tracking to see what coordinator is used the most.

It would be good if you could add live tracking to see what coordinator is used the most.

Live tracking would be very difficult to implement because it requires JS, and it would be unavailable for people who choose to use the website without Javascript. The best I can do is track the websites server-side but that would require me to add PHP and a database to the main domain, and I don't have plans to do that any time soon.

Live tracking would be very difficult to implement because it requires JS, and it would be unavailable for people who choose to use the website without Javascript. The best I can do is track the websites server-side but that would require me to add PHP and a database to the main domain, and I don't have plans to do that any time soon.

It would be more logical to expect this kind of information from the current wasabi coordinator tracker like https://wabisator.com
Given that this is at a new beginning, many things still need to be implemented, maybe over time we will get more detailed monitoring from here.

One option would be just to track this file
https://wabisator.com/config.json

It contains basically all information about those coordinators in real time.

If you don't use javascript you would need php. But that wouldn't require a database...

I decided to add your site to the list. It would be nice if those who view the information could do a parallel check using BitList (as I actually did .. designating BitMixList as a reliable source of information). Anyway it's up to you  ;)

I decided to add your site to the list. It would be nice if those who view the information could do a parallel check using BitList (as I actually did .. designating BitMixList as a reliable source of information). Anyway it's up to you  ;)

Was Bitmixlist launched in 2018, or was it just a typo?

Obviously not, I did not even discover Bitcoin until 2019.  :D

- And the big change, now you can verify your letters of guarantee.

- And the big change, now you can verify your letters of guarantee.

This verification tool runs locally on your browser and does not fetch data or even scripts from other servers.

My first thought: that's bad, never upload it anywhere but verify it locally! Then I saw this:
That does make it convenient, especially since (I tested this) it also checks if the correct address is used for signing). But still, the user can't easily verify whether or not anything gets uploaded, so I'd still prever to verify any signed messages in my own Bitcoin wallet.

Great addition!

I'm glad that there is healthy competition between BitList and BitMixList, as it forces these resources to become better.

P.S. Is it possible to make the light version the default?

- And the big change, now you can verify your letters of guarantee.

Guys, I noticed some time ago that the domain for wizardswap was reported to cloudflare for phishing (wizardswap.io) and it was disabled - I don't know what that was supposed to mean.

But it seems that they have moved the domain over to DDoS-Guard.

So in order to avoid sending users to the domain which may experience interruptions, I have changed all the wizardswap links to their other official domain: wizardswap.pw.

I wonder if they have an ANN thread or some other presence though. All I know is that they have an email,and they are responsive there.

August update published. New features:

- There are now quick navigation links to the main sections of the page - the tables and the verify tool.
- Added JokerMix, SwampLizard, AltQuick, and Xchange.me.
- Updated the list of coordinators
- RoyalMix verification works again

Note: If you do not see the return to top button on the bottom right, make sure your ad-blocker is not blocking "social widgets" and refresh the page.

Isn't it a bit early to add jokermix? Their website is still under maintenance . Maybe you could add a warning

Isn't it a bit early to add jokermix? Their website is still under maintenance . Maybe you could add a warning

I agree with this.

Isn't it a bit early to add jokermix? Their website is still under maintenance . Maybe you could add a warning

And I think they are under maintenance for a while now, that makes this service unusable, maybe they never come back.
Even the name itself jokermix sounds like a joke and nothing serious and they are dealing with money not funny cartoons and comic books  :P

Why is there an icon redirecting to R7promotions.com on JokerChange?

I don't know why, but I got the impression that the same team is behind jokermix mixer and jokerchange.com. Some similarities in performance, but maybe I just got that impression because of the similar name. I didn't do any analysis.

I've never heard about JokerChange

NotATether, what do the three red exclamation marks right in front of a service name mean? Site inaccessible? Questionable service?

It means the service is not recommended to use because it blocks most users (whir) or it collects your blockchain data (ginger wallet).

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Note: For some reason the Tor service on the onion host keeps freezing, and it only works properly after the service is restarted. I'm currently looking into this. For now, the onionsite is not working (again)

Edit: Maybe it's because of compression bombs in the Tor relay. Still not entirely sure what the root cause is, although the onionsite is working now.

If it's not a secret, in what percentage is your TOR site used compared to the same on clearnet?
I'm more curious how many users prefer Tor, I guess crypto people use it more compared to some other niches on the internet.

I have no clue what's going on. It doesn't look like resources are exhausted.

There are onion hosting services on the darknet, but they are 3x more expensive than what I currently use.

Update: I just realized I forgot to add Trocador and TheChange yesterday. I'll get those listed in a few hours.

@NotATether, You removed Yomix from the list, but did you have any open requests for affiliate payout or did I mess something up with another mixer?
If so, how did it end?

A few hours after I created the Yomix affiliate account, I was alerted here about their fraudulent activity, so the affiliate link was never at any point placed on the site. It is sitting proudly at 0 referrals, and I intend to keep it that way for the foreseeable future.

I was asked by their CEO to remove their website off the list for regulatory reasons.

That's weird. I've never seen regulation that makes any demands for what third party sites do.

Small site update today.

StealthEX has been removed from the list of private exchanges. I was asked by their CEO to remove their website off the list for regulatory reasons.

That's weird. I've never seen regulation that makes any demands for what third party sites do.

But if you want, I can dump the email here.

But if you want, I can dump the email here. It doesn't seem to have any redacted or secret information inside.

I like P2P marketplaces.

Do you think I should add a category for them on the site?

I like P2P marketplaces.

Do you think I should add a category for them on the site?

Have you done any research on how your site ranks in searches for certain terms? Perhaps your users came to the site looking for the p2p exchange option?

And yes I know some of these sites require KYC, so I should probably note that and what the maximum amount you can trade is before hitting that threshold.

Paxful
Noones

And yes I know some of these sites require KYC, so I should probably note that and what the maximum amount you can trade is before hitting that threshold.

I don't think you can use Binance P2P (maybe even Paxful) without KYC verification, so there is no threshold to hit, unless you want to add them only because of sharing your ref links.
I am ok with services that offer kyc-free trading up to certainlimits, like Noones and similar exchanges.

Noones on the other hand is better as you can trade up to 50k with only providing basic info

I do use Paxful, but it must be understood that unlike with e.g. exchanges, the only way to get local currency in many third world countries is with these large platforms because that's where the traders are.

November update published. New features:

- New P2P Marketplaces section, with Noones, LocalCoinSwap, HodlHodl, Paxful and Binance.
- Bisq, Robosats, and Peach Bitcoin were also moved to this list.

I plan to update the history with info about this industry.

Thanks for using BitMixList.

good to see you finally added the P2P list.

i have a small suggestion tho, maybe consider removing Paxful from the list.
imo, ever since the drama last year between the founders and the CEO moving ship to Noones, Paxful has been going downhill. personally, i would not recommend it.

- What is the difference between bitmama.io and bitpapa.com?

- Has anyone heard of this site? https://openpeer.xyz/
Or this one: https://www.911p2p.io/

There are some more I want to show you guys.

https://skipshift.io/

A solid web developer builds a website during his lunch break. All of the above seem like someone's hobby projects to me. Searching through some basic tools, they seem like completely anonymous services and I certainly wouldn't risk money with them.

On 911p2p.io I saw the Dukascopy logo. I remember them from many years ago, they were very aggressive with spam on Twitter and in almost all languages. It is possible that some hobby idea turned into a business, but I would be careful here.

This is just my 2 cents.

I don't know if any of these are legit, some may even be phishing so I want to double-check with you guys.

and there is also RetoSwap, a Monero P2P marketplace, basically the successor of LocalMonero.

It was mentioned to me here (https://www.altcoinstalks.com/index.php?topic=319120.msg1677955#msg1677955). I want to find other platforms (without KYC) to replace it with, so I've been doing a few internet searches.

https://nonkyc.io/

I don't know if any of these are legit, some may even be phishing so I want to double-check with you guys.

I think with those two we should be fine. And I can kick out the KYC sites. In fact, I might even remove that column entirely, but then what are some other features that people care about when choosing a market?

November update published. New features:

- New P2P Marketplaces section, with Noones, LocalCoinSwap, HodlHodl, Paxful and Binance.
- Bisq, Robosats, and Peach Bitcoin were also moved to this list.

I plan to update the history with info about this industry.

Thanks for using BitMixList.

Jokermix has also been removed.

NotATether, I see you mentioned Tornado Cash in your service.

Would it make sense to list Rombomix, and ethereum mixer? As they are somehow a replacement for tornado cash.

No, I don't list Tornado Cash. I have a history entry for it, but it's not on the list of mixers and I also don't link to it, as 1) I don't want to run into any trouble doing that and 2) it's not a Bitcoin mixer.

I don't really know how popular Ethereum mixing is compared to Bitcoin mixing, but if there is strong demand for this kind of service then it would make sense to make a table for it.

Rombomix is ​​still a fairly young service, but I would give them some time to show stability before making any recommendations. They almost had a problem, because the registry took away their .io domain, so they switched to a new .com, indicating that they still need to overcome some basic issues.

I don't know if the list is intended exclusively for Bitcoin mixers, but it would certainly be good to have insight into other mixers at some point.

Their domain got suspended? They just started out, that's ridiculous. How would it be possible to scam someone in that little time?

Now things are complicated again because the new rombomix .com domain has been marked as risky by Metamask.

Why is Metamask marking them as risky?

Why is Metamask marking them as risky?

What's interesting to me is that they registered a domain through Hostinger, which was taken away from them by the registrar. Later, they registered a new domain, but again through Hostinger.
Why use the same service that has already compromised your business once?
Plus, Hostinger doesn't accept cryptocurrencies as a payment method, they obviously don't care about privacy.

most likely they got reported to metamask as a scam or something.

i swear i thought hostinger accepted crypto, at least that's what they say on the payments page (those fucking liars). https://www.hostinger.com/payments

I was also surprised when I saw that, I was also convinced that Hostinger accepts crypto as a payment method.
Maybe it was possible at some point, but they withdrew such an option in the meantime.

It's still there when you go to checkout:

https://www.talkimg.com/images/2024/12/17/Dnbtq.png

But I wouldn't use it for anything mixer related.

You'd think that after reading the warning on my site that people making mixers would stay away from Hostinger. But apparently that's not the case. A mixer that brings in thousands of dollars in revenue every month can afford offshore hosting, or even just a VPS at a no-name, Monero provider like Kyun. They don't need Hostinger's '79% off' offers.

that's strange, even the interface is different from what i get.
i did check again, and there is no option for crypto payments. i even tried from different geos using a vpn, thinking it might be available only for certain countries.

i swear i thought hostinger accepted crypto, at least that's what they say on the payments page (those fucking liars). https://www.hostinger.com/payments

I never liked hostinger and I would never use it for any serious project :P

Interesting that on different page I found how they don't allow using their resources for mining crypto currencies:
https://support.hostinger.com/en/articles/8560191-is-mining-allowed-at-hostinger

I also don't have the crypto payment option on Hostinger. Is it only for US users?

I'm not sure, but I've tried accessing my account and creating an order from VPNs in Falkenstein (germany), Montreal, and Dallas/LA and I've always seen it. I technically don't qualify as a US user to them I don't think - I don't live there currently.

It's strange how crypto is not listed as a payment method on their help page (https://support.hostinger.com/en/articles/1583236-what-payment-methods-are-available-at-hostinger#h_c09f5aeca0).

There is some article from July 2024 talking about how they "opened" crypto payments with CoinGate, but I've been able to use crypto as far back as a year ago.

talking about hosting, what do you think about adding a list of ones accepting crypto?

@NotATether i think you might want to remove blockdx.net from the list of private exchanges.

the website is dead, and based on the wayback machine, they have been like that for a few months now. their hosting got suspended, and the domain name was snatched after it got expired. currently, it's for sale on godaddy.

https://web.archive.org/web/20240723121351/https://blockdx.net/cgi-sys/suspendedpage.cgi

February update published. New features

I noticed you didn't add Wallet Ashigaru.rs as another privacy tool on BitMixList website, maybe you forgot to do it or you don't know about it.
Ashigaru is open source fork of Samourai wallet, it is active, working and I hear developers are posting code updates.

Yeah, never heard of that one. I'll look into it. Do they run a coordinator?

I would like to point out something about exch.cx, The exchange was founded somewhere in 2016 2014 and not 2023 if you look at how old their ANN is and the profiles that represent them in this forum. For some reason, they abandoned the old domain they started with exch.cc and now use exch.cx

Also, I think you forgot to correct this. Maybe you can do it in the next update
Reference; https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=577207.0

How about verification of letters of guarantees for exchanges like exch, don't you think they should also get included?

exch on the .cc domain is a phishing site now. It is always important to mention.

How many instant exchanges have a letter of guarantee feature? I did not notice that it was accepted by the exchangers as an important part of the business.

exch on the .cc domain is a phishing site now. It is always important to mention.

Phishing site now? I would like to know how a domain that was operated by them fell into the hands of scammers.

We have relaunched our platform under a new domain: exch.cx (https://exch.cx)
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2. Note that our old domain (exch[dot]cc) is not operating anymore nor belong to us.

I checked it's history on archive.org (https://web.archive.org/web/20250401000000*/exch.cc): it looks like they just abandoned the domain.

It seems that seven years ago, they did not even expect such success and that one day, they might become a target of phishing.

.cc or even .cx ... are not popular enough domain extensions, so even the registries did not keep them but released them for new registration. For example, for some .net domains I abandoned 10 years ago, one registry is still holding on auction.

In my opinion, if you have any sort of crypto related website, you absolutely must keep renewing the domains indefinitely.

For other sites it's fine to let them expire.

Thanks for compiling this list! A well-maintained resource like this can be really helpful for people trying to understand the options available for enhancing their Bitcoin privacy. I'm curious, how often is the list updated to reflect changes in services or new offerings?

In my opinion, if you have any sort of crypto related website, you absolutely must keep renewing the domains indefinitely.

For other sites it's fine to let them expire.

_the reputational damage from dealing with phishing sites is not worth it.

eXch may have shut down, but you shouldn't worry! At BitMixList, you can find all of the highest quality private exchangers available on the internet.

eXch may have shut down, but you shouldn't worry! At BitMixList, you can find all of the highest quality private exchangers available on the internet.

It looks like you are trying to use the shut down in your marketing. Cleaver 😉

eXch may have shut down, but you shouldn't worry! At BitMixList, you can find all of the highest quality private exchangers available on the internet.

Lol  :) in all seriousness though, I have found a memory-dump of privacy exchange sites in the Exchanges section. So eventually I'll have to list those too. How have we missed all those?!

I even made a new website about brutally honest exchange reviews. I'm not going to link it though, because there aren't actually any reviews yet.

eXch may have shut down, but you shouldn't worry! At BitMixList, you can find all of the highest quality private exchangers available on the internet.

With the sad exit of eXch, some exchanges that were pretending not to need KYC are now torturing users asking for the documents, proof of address and proof of source of funds. I personally don't think such services deserve to be among the likes of wizardswap.

Please look into The Changeltd's case and see if it's worth reviewing its listing.

Start from here  ;): https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5505862.msg65313935#msg65313935

I was under the impression that they were a no-KYC exchange. Did the terms suddenly change?

🔹 In the future there will be a function to choose an exchange directly on the site: KuCoin, Binance, WhiteBit.

As an independent entity, they do not require KYC, but are quite dependent on their partners, liquidity providers. As all their partners are KYC mandatory, there is always the possibility of a KYC request.

It's not very useful to claim you're KYC free if you rely on partners who have a reputation of freezing unwanted transactions to perform your exchanges, or to function at all in general.

So unfortunately, they will have to go. Not through any fault of their own though. I just don't want people to get scammed by a site they found on BitMixList.

I was under the impression that they were a no-KYC exchange. Did the terms suddenly change?

So unfortunately, they will have to go. Not through any fault of their own though. I just don't want people to get scammed by a site they found on BitMixList.

It's a good decision. Most of the audience to your list could be people who hate KYC 100%, imagine their disappointment when they get requested for it after picking up the service from the site.

All fees are to be paid in Bitcoin only. The entire amount paid will be used for testing the mixer/exchange.

This is fine, but with rising issues with Bitcoin fungibility I would consider adding option for accepting alternative payments in privacy coins like monero.

ScamWhammer is here! (https://bitmixlist.org/#scamwhammer) Go check it out now if you haven't already.[/b][/center]

The URL wh__.to is not recognized in our database. Exercise caution and verify its legitimacy before using.

Warning: chip_____.com is a known SCAM or SEIZED crypto mixer. Avoid using this service!

The URL wh__.to is not recognized in our database. Exercise caution and verify its legitimacy before using.

Maybe you should add option for users to report scam services with more information, after that you can can investigate it more.

I tested another known mixing service and I received this message:


Maybe you should add option for users to report scam services with more information, after that you can can investigate it more.

To whom? That is the question. As we've seen with eXch, most orgs aren't remotely interested in abuse email about scam sites unless it directly affects the claimant.

Friends, I have two announcements to make.

1. I am going to make translations of BitMixList. Initially in Russian and German (as these are the most popular localities browsing BitMixList behind the USA), but others will follow.

I will be looking for translators in a couple days for this.

2. I am planning a site redesign. It will still be largely Javscript-free, but the layout could use a bit of an improvement, don't you think? All anchor links will be preserved, but I will probably make a lot more pages and use a new template.

I am aware of an error users are facing when attempting to navigate to BitMixList (http 522) on clearnet. Please stand by while I resolve this.

In the mean time, please use bitmixlist.github.io

I have determined that the issue lies with a faulty server. I am currently provisioning a new one.

Update: server operation has been restored. I am considering using a load balancer for when things like this happen again, but the only problem is that the IP addresses are on two completely different networks, so a local LAN balancer would not be possible.

Work's fine maybe if you could add a proper Dialog module it would even look great.

Some corrections for the table.

I think the Swamp (tor) link has hHttp.. so 2x H's.
Also I think the Swamp and Genesis Tor links are swapped.

Thanks for doing what you are, appreciated.

Edit: Somebody seems to have reported one of my mirrors, and now a warning comes up. Please disregard it - we will never ask you to send us money :)

NotATether, what do you think about wizardswap?

They added this in their FAQ (https://www.wizardswap.io/faq) sometime back

https://talkimg.com/images/2025/08/16/USiVcb.png

They froze someone's funds not so long ago, though the OP of that thread never returned with an update: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5552585

I don't know if this means they can cooperate with law enforcement to freeze and seize funds. Perhaps even expose one's private details?