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Title: How high is the probability of accusations vs. casinos in BitcoinTalk are true? Post by: Wind_FURY on June 04, 2024, 06:00:22 AM Currently, there's a pattern. A person makes a new account in BitcoinTalk, makes a topic/accuses a casino of scamming him/her, and because some users need to bump up their post count for their signature campaigns, the topic gets more attention than it should be during a normal situation.
OK, it's understandable that users need to bump up their post count, but we should also be responsible to find the truth, and merely not believing an accusation from a person who literally made a brand new account, nor discussing it with the person like something wrong actually happened. Because actual scammers themselves will take advantage of us. Title: Re: How high is the probability of accusations vs. casinos in BitcoinTalk are true? Post by: Rating Place on June 04, 2024, 06:07:07 AM Currently, there's a pattern. A person makes a new account in BitcoinTalk, makes a topic/accuses a casino of scamming him/her, and because some users need to bump up their post count for their signature campaigns, the topic gets more attention than it should be during a normal situation. Most of the time the player turns out to be wrong and is using the forum to strong arm a casino. I still always start off taking the player's side until the book proves him guilty.OK, it's understandable that users need to bump up their post count, but we should also be responsible to find the truth, and merely not believing an accusation from a person who literally made a brand new account, nor discussing it with the person like something wrong actually happened. Because actual scammers themselves will take advantage of us. Title: Re: How high is the probability of accusations vs. casinos in BitcoinTalk are true? Post by: Coin_trader on June 04, 2024, 06:17:23 AM There will be less reputable casino in the forum if the accusations made of players was true. Most of the time players is just using the forum to get sympathy by twisting the proof against the casino so many problematic users keeps using the forum like this whenever they are bust by the casino.
The scam accusation board vs the casino bitcointalk account trust page is the living proof that players accusation most of the time was wrong since there’s still a lot of reputable casino with good trust score even though there’s tons of scam accusation against them. Title: Re: How high is the probability of accusations vs. casinos in BitcoinTalk are true? Post by: bitterguy28 on June 04, 2024, 06:28:30 AM Let those accusation come because in the end it is the truth that will prevail , because most of those who starts the accusations ending leaving those thread when the casino answered them with valid proofs of them cheating or taking advantage of the casino(sometimes it is the generosity of casinos that being abused)
Like what @Coin_trader says , the reputation and scam accusation section is the proof that majority of those cases are just made up or twisting things to favor them trying to at least compensate from what they are planning . but casino nowadays are mature enough and know that they need to comply and prove necessary documents to answer those wrong words against them. Title: Re: How high is the probability of accusations vs. casinos in BitcoinTalk are true? Post by: joniboini on June 04, 2024, 06:55:37 AM Even if the rate is high, it is naive to assume the next accusation is legit anyway since no one really controls who posts the accusations and whatnot. Even if the topics get boosted one way or another because some members commented on it, everyone is always encouraged to verify the claim. This is not exclusive to Bitcointalk anyway, other review platforms are not immune to fake accusations. I believe the trust system is working quite well in this regard. CMIIW.
Title: Re: How high is the probability of accusations vs. casinos in BitcoinTalk are true? Post by: bitbollo on June 04, 2024, 07:48:19 AM This problem has existed for years and in the past a casino owner even showed me how they were scamming him!
But this not means that all issues are created to ask for money. some really exist! in the end, you interact with companies that cannot control every aspect in detail and are forced to automate many steps. Some "confusion" or issue could always arise. Open a topic it should be the last resort since most of the times these issue can be just discussed with casino owner/support. Title: Re: How high is the probability of accusations vs. casinos in BitcoinTalk are true? Post by: Apocollapse on June 04, 2024, 08:05:26 AM There are few scenarios:
1. A brand new user accused a brand new casino = people tend to support the user. 2. A brand new user accused a highly reputable casino = people will blame the user and say the user broke the casino's terms. 3. A highly reputable user accused a brand new casino = people will support the user and leave negative tag to the casino. 4. A highly reputable user accused a highly reputable casino = people tend to shut their mouth, even the highly reputable user leave a negative feedback, but there are still few people will support the casino. ;) Title: Re: How high is the probability of accusations vs. casinos in BitcoinTalk are true? Post by: Lida93 on June 04, 2024, 08:06:27 AM Even when an individual takes a matter to the authority both the accuser and the accused are giving room to speak while in the meantime both are viewed to be innocent of the offense until thorough investigation is concluded by the authority after listening from the two sides in addition to independent investigation.
I think Posts of scam accusations against casinos in the forum getting bumped by forum users shouldn't be viewed to be wrong in the sense that it is the only way the community can know if an accusation made is true or false by the questions that will be thrown out. If a scam accusation against a casino is not given an attention because it's coming from new newbie account then we might be trampling down on certain truth's without even knowing if we are to go by this notion. In the end the trust system takes it's course after all facts has been made. Title: Re: How high is the probability of accusations vs. casinos in BitcoinTalk are true? Post by: avp2306 on June 04, 2024, 08:09:27 AM Currently, there's a pattern. A person makes a new account in BitcoinTalk, makes a topic/accuses a casino of scamming him/her, and because some users need to bump up their post count for their signature campaigns, the topic gets more attention than it should be during a normal situation. OK, it's understandable that users need to bump up their post count, but we should also be responsible to find the truth, and merely not believing an accusation from a person who literally made a brand new account, nor discussing it with the person like something wrong actually happened. Because actual scammers themselves will take advantage of us. Hard to make conclusion that someone do that just to increase their post count. So maybe lets erase the thinking that someone create a account just to create some topic for signature campaign spammers to discuss. I guess what we usually see here are those butthurt people cannot accept their mistakes made that's why they lose their account due to abusive actions they commit. Its normal for people to get curious on that situation especially if they know the casino is reputable or there's something wrong going on the casino they are playing. If we accused those people spamming for post count then I think its unfair for them especially if their intention is pure. Its important to see if their post have sense and all is according to the topic discuss. Although I understand your point regarding on this situation but expect that what you think happen since we are in public forum and anyone could post whatever they like. Edit: Also I don't think this topic belong in this section since in my opinion this type of discussion belongs to gambling discussion board. Title: Re: How high is the probability of accusations vs. casinos in BitcoinTalk are true? Post by: Oshosondy on June 04, 2024, 08:41:47 AM Currently, there's a pattern. A person makes a new account in BitcoinTalk, makes a topic/accuses a casino of scamming him/her, and because some users need to bump up their post count for their signature campaigns, the topic gets more attention than it should be during a normal situation. I do not think your opinion is right about this. Have you been reading the accusation posts? If the person do not provide evidence of what he is saying, they will tell him to provide evidence. There have been many accusations with evidences provided and the gambling site resolved the issue. For those that do not provide evidence, it will be neglected.Title: Re: How high is the probability of accusations vs. casinos in BitcoinTalk are true? Post by: bakasabo on June 04, 2024, 09:01:21 AM There are few scenarios: 1. A brand new user accused a brand new casino = people tend to support the user. 2. A brand new user accused a highly reputable casino = people will blame the user and say the user broke the casino's terms. 3. A highly reputable user accused a brand new casino = people will support the user and leave negative tag to the casino. 4. A highly reputable user accused a highly reputable casino = people tend to shut their mouth, even the highly reputable user leave a negative feedback, but there are still few people will support the casino. ;) You can add to your list a situation when a gambler didn’t fully understand the situation he is in, or have some technical issues, or is just impatient, but he immediately run on a forum to create an accusation topic. I see nothing bad in new user posting an accusation. Not everyone has prepared accounts on different forums, just in case something might go wrong in their life and need to share that with others. Nevertheless I see other problem with accusations - not always gambler give full explanation of a situation, every step they have made. But prefer to give minimum info. Just "I got scammed, amount of money lost, few lines of description". Title: Re: How high is the probability of accusations vs. casinos in BitcoinTalk are true? Post by: Rruchi man on June 04, 2024, 09:04:59 AM Currently, there's a pattern. A person makes a new account in BitcoinTalk, makes a topic/accuses a casino of scamming him/her, and because some users need to bump up their post count for their signature campaigns, the topic gets more attention than it should be during a normal situation. The attention that a topic accusing a casino gets is not always in support of the accuser against the casino. Some of the comments are actually to get more information about the accusation, while others are about the research that other people have personally carried out based on the accusation and their own personal results. Title: Re: How high is the probability of accusations vs. casinos in BitcoinTalk are true? Post by: Upgrade00 on June 04, 2024, 09:30:47 AM No one has the figures on the probability of accusations that turn out to be true, but off the top of my head I'll say I've seen more true accusations than false ones.
I'll also not call into question the process that scam accusations are handled on the forum, there may be a few users who bump in and give half thought out answers with no research into the situation but the majority of comments treat the cases fairly, asking for evidence from the accuser when necessary and demanding an explanation from the casino support where appropriate. We get a lot of these cases cause people see this forum as a good adjudicator when they are pushed to the wall by exchanges, I'll want us to maintain that reputation. Title: Re: How high is the probability of accusations vs. casinos in BitcoinTalk are true? Post by: shield132 on June 04, 2024, 09:43:51 AM Currently, there's a pattern. A person makes a new account in BitcoinTalk, makes a topic/accuses a casino of scamming him/her, and because some users need to bump up their post count for their signature campaigns, the topic gets more attention than it should be during a normal situation. Like you, I am on Bitcointalk since 2016. I can tell you from my personal experience that this forum has a big power and it's very good that users come here to open scam accusation threads when something goes wrong. Long story short, when someone has a problem with a casino and they didn't get help from their customer support, they are looking for different forums and networks, like Bitcointalk and Reddit. Bitcointalk ranks very well in Google and people register on this forum just only to open a scam accusation thread, that's why you see so many brand new accounts opening scam accusations. If the user doesn't provide enough proofs that he was scammed, then casino doesn't get tagged but if they provide proofs and casino doesn't react, then casino gets tagged on Bitcointalk. Getting tagged on Bitcointalk means that your trust is shaken and you'll lose many customers.OK, it's understandable that users need to bump up their post count, but we should also be responsible to find the truth, and merely not believing an accusation from a person who literally made a brand new account, nor discussing it with the person like something wrong actually happened. Because actual scammers themselves will take advantage of us. I don't think anyone ruins any casino's reputation by bumping scam accusations thread, even if the accusation is without proof. Title: Re: How high is the probability of accusations vs. casinos in BitcoinTalk are true? Post by: mak013 on June 04, 2024, 10:42:55 AM Currently, there's a pattern. A person makes a new account in BitcoinTalk, makes a topic/accuses a casino of scamming him/her, and because some users need to bump up their post count for their signature campaigns, the topic gets more attention than it should be during a normal situation. If i have no problems with casino, i don`t tell about it anywhere. When i lose my money - i begin search any chances to return it. Trying to search any board where i can post such information. Here we can try to solve problem fast - creating scam accusation or posting in the casino thread. OK, it's understandable that users need to bump up their post count, but we should also be responsible to find the truth, and merely not believing an accusation from a person who literally made a brand new account, nor discussing it with the person like something wrong actually happened. Because actual scammers themselves will take advantage of us. The only thing that we need to add - some proofs in such threads. If the newbie give us several screenshots, that can prove his words - it is ok. If he is telling us that some casino is scam - delete it. Title: Re: How high is the probability of accusations vs. casinos in BitcoinTalk are true? Post by: tranthidung on June 04, 2024, 10:52:27 AM A person makes a new account in BitcoinTalk, makes a topic/accuses a casino of scamming him/her Long story short, you can look at it and make your guess. I don't have any summary statistics for you.we should also be responsible to find the truth, and merely not believing an accusation from a person who literally made a brand new account, nor discussing it with the person like something wrong actually happened. Because actual scammers themselves will take advantage of us. [LIST] Scam Accusation Cases Against Betting Platform on The Forum (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5481683.0). I might come back next several minutes to update you with stats. About your question here on people posting style, you can see it in many thread. They can be a farm, use one account to create a thread and many other accounts will join that thread with many posts which sometimes have nearly same information and links, but they don't mind. Posting and get one or some more posts for weekly post quote, it's enough and their ultimate simple goal. Title: Re: How high is the probability of accusations vs. casinos in BitcoinTalk are true? Post by: cryptoaddictchie on June 04, 2024, 11:13:18 AM Currently, there's a pattern. A person makes a new account in BitcoinTalk, makes a topic/accuses a casino of scamming him/her, and because some users need to bump up their post count for their signature campaigns, the topic gets more attention than it should be during a normal situation. Well they cant use their main account cause it was engage on signature campaign which could tremble their feedback with red if they turn out to be wrong on the accusation. Most complainers are newbies and new account means they probably have main account.Too bad that some commenters are swayed sometimes especially if the accusation doesnt have any basis or clear fact at all to back their rhymes. Worse is the casino being in danger of fud and fear to some potential users. Title: Re: How high is the probability of accusations vs. casinos in BitcoinTalk are true? Post by: acroman08 on June 04, 2024, 11:21:05 AM OK, it's understandable that users need to bump up their post count, but we should also be responsible to find the truth, and merely not believing an accusation from a person who literally made a brand new account, nor discussing it with the person like something wrong actually happened. Because actual scammers themselves will take advantage of us. that's why members usually encourage people who post scam accusations on the forum to post evidence of their claims so people can have more context other than what the accuser posted. [LIST] Scam Accusation Cases Against Betting Platform on The Forum (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5481683.0). though the list doesn't have all the scam accusations that have been posted here in the forum it is still a good example to use as to how true are the scam accusations being posted here.I might come back next several minutes to update you with stats. Title: Re: How high is the probability of accusations vs. casinos in BitcoinTalk are true? Post by: Charles-Tim on June 04, 2024, 12:53:35 PM Well they cant use their main account cause it was engage on signature campaign which could tremble their feedback with red if they turn out to be wrong on the accusation. Most complainers are newbies and new account means they probably have main account. If I did not violate a gambling site rules and the gambling site ban my account or not allowing me to withdraw money or coins from my account, I do not have anything to hide on this forum but use my account to create an accusation against the gambling site on this forum with evidence if I have not gotten verified on the gambling site. This will carry weight than to create a new account and use the alt to create the accusation. But I guess you are not wrong about this but what I see to it is that this people could have gotten verified on the gambling site but they do not want to link it to this forum if they are privacy conscious. Some people may not even just want to link the two accounts together even if they have not gotten verified on the gambling site. Title: Re: How high is the probability of accusations vs. casinos in BitcoinTalk are true? Post by: dimonstration on June 04, 2024, 01:04:37 PM Well they cant use their main account cause it was engage on signature campaign which could tremble their feedback with red if they turn out to be wrong on the accusation. Most complainers are newbies and new account means they probably have main account. If I did not violate a gambling site rules and the gambling site ban my account or not allowing me to withdraw money or coins from my account, I do not have anything to hide on this forum but use my account to create an accusation against the gambling site on this forum with evidence if I have not gotten verified on the gambling site. This will carry weight than to create a new account and use the alt to create the accusation. As a gambler myself. I never use newbie account whenever I experience problem on a casino even though I’m wearing their signature for the campaign because it’s a sign of being genuine and transparent for casino to answer my concerns. User with high rank account here will not complain in the forum if they don’t experience something that troubling them. Actually, being transparent on any casino issue should be exercised to protect every users since not every time casino handle all the case properly since there always an isolated case that involved incompetent support. Actually using your main account is an advantage to get the support of the community easily and also there’s no reputable manager that will kick you out on the campaign by just raising valid concern. Title: Re: How high is the probability of accusations vs. casinos in BitcoinTalk are true? Post by: pinggoki on June 04, 2024, 01:24:49 PM Most of the time, the people that I see that you're mentioning whenever a new account is posting accusations are posting that there should be an evidence included in the proof, I guess you're right about everyone of us should do our due diligence of finding out the truth ourselves, hopefully this will be a wake up call to those people (I think that also includes me). For those that want to do the investigation themselves before anything else, make sure that you're safe and that you're not clicking any links provided by strangers, search the website yourself or something like that, Trustpilot is a good benchmark.
Title: Re: How high is the probability of accusations vs. casinos in BitcoinTalk are true? Post by: Franctoshi on June 04, 2024, 01:53:10 PM Currently, there's a pattern. A person makes a new account in BitcoinTalk, makes a topic/accuses a casino of scamming him/her, and because some users need to bump up their post count for their signature campaigns, the topic gets more attention than it should be during a normal situation. One good thing about this is that most of the accused platforms which I have seen being accused have their representatives here in the forum and I don't take side when it comes to this. We've seen in most case where the platforms reps come out and clear the air about the situation. Also I have seen here a situation where a client of a particular gambling platform in his accused thread show off some evidence regarding his claims about a restriction placed on his account after he had won huge some amount of money, to me, what I have always done is suggesting possible means that the op would go about sorting his claims out with the accused site while waiting to hear a response from the platform in talk or if they have a community I'm I joined, then I bring in the questions regarding this issue to the community to try to know if other clients are facing same issue too.OK, it's understandable that users need to bump up their post count, but we should also be responsible to find the truth, and merely not believing an accusation from a person who literally made a brand new account, nor discussing it with the person like something wrong actually happened. Because actual scammers themselves will take advantage of us. Title: Re: How high is the probability of accusations vs. casinos in BitcoinTalk are true? Post by: Pandu Geddon on June 04, 2024, 02:11:57 PM OK, it's understandable that users need to bump up their post count, but we should also be responsible to find the truth, and merely not believing an accusation from a person who literally made a brand new account, nor discussing it with the person like something wrong actually happened. Because actual scammers themselves will take advantage of us. Another situation that may occur from newbie account accusations to casinos on forums is those who do not want to reveal their true identity with their main account on the forum. there may be a fear that they will be ignored in the campaign of the casino. Allegations made against the casino and made by newbies or higher accounts will not be easily supported by other members. that's because there must be evidence that supports the accusation. and the most important thing is that the casino should have representatives on forums who are active. So there are those who provide reasons wiser and faster than the case currently being experienced. Title: Re: How high is the probability of accusations vs. casinos in BitcoinTalk are true? Post by: betswift on June 04, 2024, 02:21:10 PM We need to add some deadlines for the post and oblige the user to keep an update. As we can see, after the resolution, the user disappears, and we don't understand what's going on in the situation!
Moreover, there are some platforms on the internet, such as AskGamblers, where you can submit a complaint that is monitored by supervisors! Title: Re: How high is the probability of accusations vs. casinos in BitcoinTalk are true? Post by: robelneo on June 04, 2024, 02:52:35 PM OK, it's understandable that users need to bump up their post count, but we should also be responsible to find the truth, and merely not believing an accusation from a person who literally made a brand new account, nor discussing it with the person like something wrong actually happened. Because actual scammers themselves will take advantage of us. I only post on newbie accusations in the scam section if no one has yet recommended the right format on creating the right format because when you're accusing the casino of a scam the weight of the evidence should be on the accuser. So I kept an open mind on the accusation until the real story came out and many times we have proven that the casinos are right and newbies were just creating false accusations. If the newbie accusers failed to provide pieces of evidence and update the accusation then we can conclude that it's a false accusation. Title: Re: How high is the probability of accusations vs. casinos in BitcoinTalk are true? Post by: Haunebu on June 04, 2024, 03:10:46 PM This isn't something new op. This sort of stuff exists in various forums because it's one of the best ways of acquiring justice while some others just try to cheat casinos by accusing them unfairly.
Based on what I observed, most casino related accusations within this forum are bogus and trash while the minority are legit though only few of them acquire proper justice at the end. Title: Re: How high is the probability of accusations vs. casinos in BitcoinTalk are true? Post by: Solosanz on June 04, 2024, 03:15:03 PM No one can verify it, this is why I think there's should be third party intermediary instead of user vs casino i.e. words vs words only.
For big casino, they don't mind to give extra bucks even they're not wrong. For small casino, they're in bad situation if people are against them, they almost have no chance to build their reputation back and they don't have much money like big casino. Before enter to compete with the big casino, they already lose. There were many accusations created just because the casino ask to submit KYC, the gamblers said they did nothing wrong and all good, since the gamblers have decent reputation, the casino don't mind to let them to withdraw without KYC. It's funny how they want to gamble in KYC casino and they blame the casino for asking their KYC. Title: Re: How high is the probability of accusations vs. casinos in BitcoinTalk are true? Post by: CryptSafe on June 04, 2024, 03:44:37 PM With respect to this topic raised here, I have noticed that accounts accusing casinos are mostly newbie accounts that got registered on the platform and what baffles me.is the way they are able to locate the accusations board to lay their complaints which means there iia possiblity of that account being farmiliar with the platform and I begin to wonder why they would not come up with their real identity on the platform rather than disguising themselves.
As we all know accusations from newbies or any established member here must have proof or evidence which is fact to be used in dealing with such case and of it is not presented, it is likely that or assumed the accusations are baseless. So any judgement or settlement would depend on fact held at hand which would make the case more reasonable to attend to. Title: Re: How high is the probability of accusations vs. casinos in BitcoinTalk are true? Post by: aioc on June 04, 2024, 03:54:27 PM Currently, there's a pattern. A person makes a new account in BitcoinTalk, makes a topic/accuses a casino of scamming him/her, and because some users need to bump up their post count for their signature campaigns, the topic gets more attention than it should be during a normal situation. OK, it's understandable that users need to bump up their post count, but we should also be responsible to find the truth, and merely not believing an accusation from a person who literally made a brand new account, nor discussing it with the person like something wrong actually happened. Because actual scammers themselves will take advantage of us. I agree there have been so many like this and many more coming newbies creating accusations without basis and when investigated they did not give an update they created this thread to bribe the casinos and as a reference on the internet, those who do this should be tagged. We have to be aware of these fake accusations if the accuser cannot sustain his accusations then its clear that he is using the forum to spread fake accusations against the casino. They usually do this on casinos that have no announcement here. Title: Re: How high is the probability of accusations vs. casinos in BitcoinTalk are true? Post by: panjul07 on June 04, 2024, 04:16:39 PM Currently, there's a pattern. A person makes a new account in BitcoinTalk, makes a topic/accuses a casino of scamming him/her, and because some users need to bump up their post count for their signature campaigns, the topic gets more attention than it should be during a normal situation. OK, it's understandable that users need to bump up their post count, but we should also be responsible to find the truth, and merely not believing an accusation from a person who literally made a brand new account, nor discussing it with the person like something wrong actually happened. Because actual scammers themselves will take advantage of us. I agree there have been so many like this and many more coming newbies creating accusations without basis and when investigated they did not give an update they created this thread to bribe the casinos and as a reference on the internet, those who do this should be tagged. We have to be aware of these fake accusations if the accuser cannot sustain his accusations then its clear that he is using the forum to spread fake accusations against the casino. They usually do this on casinos that have no announcement here. It does not matter if the accussations are coming from newbie or higher rank, as long as the accusations are valid and provide enough evidences. In case the accusation is just full of word without any evidence, I myself will prefer to ignore it as there is no point to respond. Coming up to the relation of this pattern, I dont think it has nothing to do with bumping post counts. However it is my own point of view ofc and we are free to have different point of view about such activity in this forum. Title: Re: How high is the probability of accusations vs. casinos in BitcoinTalk are true? Post by: Woodie on June 04, 2024, 05:01:16 PM As far as I know, accusations will always be there because generally we have a bad reading culture or maybe should I say very few players actually read Terms and conditions of these casinos which should have kept players off all the troubles..but as always when you are found to be on the wrong side..we rush to use the public sympathy card to try correct our mistake which is unfair on the casino's/bookies!
Btw such mistakes aren't common with regular players...so it could be an honest mistake not knowing the T&C's hence the accusations :P Title: Re: How high is the probability of accusations vs. casinos in BitcoinTalk are true? Post by: cabron on June 04, 2024, 05:10:54 PM The ones who would reply normally will still be asking for evidence like screenshots though and then keep replying when the accusation isn't proven. Assuming OP can provide evidence then it's up to the casino representative to respond to the accusation. If it's just something that they could argue and settle then the accusation stops. But if the point of the accuser is to taint the reputation of the casino, they could just repeat the accusation over and over, sometimes it doesn't need to be true, google indexes the pages still and if the number of accusations goes up, they still have success in making the casino look bad. Maybe they should also add a negative to the accuser that impulsively creates the accusation thread for this purpose. Such as Wrongfully accusing a casino! Title: Re: How high is the probability of accusations vs. casinos in BitcoinTalk are true? Post by: Fatunad on June 04, 2024, 05:35:40 PM Currently, there's a pattern. A person makes a new account in BitcoinTalk, makes a topic/accuses a casino of scamming him/her, and because some users need to bump up their post count for their signature campaigns, the topic gets more attention than it should be during a normal situation. Accusations made without solid proof would really be always end up on being that ignored or considered to be trolling. It isnt first time about those accusations on a certain site which we know that competition on gambling industry on crypto space is really also indeed high, so you could really e expect that there's something having those kind of false accusations just to put up some stain into their reputation which its not something new. If we do speak about on how this community would really be making out such judgement then it would really be always non bias. We do have those veterans and members of this forum could OK, it's understandable that users need to bump up their post count, but we should also be responsible to find the truth, and merely not believing an accusation from a person who literally made a brand new account, nor discussing it with the person like something wrong actually happened. Because actual scammers themselves will take advantage of us. make out that in depth research on which verifies whether the accusation is true or not. Making new account? Of course it would be a normal step because posting on real account could be resulting into possible red feedback on the moment that you have been trolling. :D Title: Re: How high is the probability of accusations vs. casinos in BitcoinTalk are true? Post by: darewaller on June 04, 2024, 06:09:23 PM People making posts in an accusation thread don't make the accusation correct or support it in any way, and those making unsubstantial and useless posts in such threads without contributing anything to the topic are usually ignored by most people. A person needs to be a huge fool to see a thread created by a newbie against a casino with no proper evidence and supported by other newbie accounts and believe that the casino is actually wrong.
Those who believe in such things and support cases where there is no enough proof submitted against the casino being accused are better off the platforms because you can't expect such people to not do the same thing in the future in case they face a problem even if it's not casino's fault. Title: Re: How high is the probability of accusations vs. casinos in BitcoinTalk are true? Post by: Ojima-ojo on June 04, 2024, 06:26:58 PM Currently, there's a pattern. A person makes a new account in BitcoinTalk, makes a topic/accuses a casino of scamming him/her, and because some users need to bump up their post count for their signature campaigns, the topic gets more attention than it should be during a normal situation. If the accusations lack merit and proves, it won't take long before forum members will come against the member who started it in the first place, I don't blame Bitcointalk members for picking interest in scam accusations posts or threads because as gamblers we most constantly be on the look out for potential danger and if we know on time we will not make the mistake of falling into the hands of the scam casinos.OK, it's understandable that users need to bump up their post count, but we should also be responsible to find the truth, and merely not believing an accusation from a person who literally made a brand new account, nor discussing it with the person like something wrong actually happened. Because actual scammers themselves will take advantage of us. Take for example when the case of 1xbit came up here, even though most of the accounts that made reports of scamming against them were mostly newbies we can still deny the fact that the casino was outrightly a scam and from their way of operation we can clearly see such trace's of scam activities, so regardless of the rank of the accounts reporting there are still high chances that scam casinos are guilty almost all the time. Title: Re: How high is the probability of accusations vs. casinos in BitcoinTalk are true? Post by: Dunamisx on June 04, 2024, 07:48:10 PM There's nothing we cannot say concerning any gambling casinos on their true identity, if they do well we are going to say it and if they are doing otherwise as well, we are going to talk of them all, this platform is well known for it's reputable standard and we have many people who uses a lot of gambling platforms, so I don't see any reviews left on any gambling platform as accusation, instead as a means for others to see the information left on them.
Title: Re: How high is the probability of accusations vs. casinos in BitcoinTalk are true? Post by: Wind_FURY on June 04, 2024, 09:27:22 PM Currently, there's a pattern. A person makes a new account in BitcoinTalk, makes a topic/accuses a casino of scamming him/her, and because some users need to bump up their post count for their signature campaigns, the topic gets more attention than it should be during a normal situation. OK, it's understandable that users need to bump up their post count, but we should also be responsible to find the truth, and merely not believing an accusation from a person who literally made a brand new account, nor discussing it with the person like something wrong actually happened. Because actual scammers themselves will take advantage of us. Hard to make conclusion that someone do that just to increase their post count. So maybe lets erase the thinking that someone create a account just to create some topic for signature campaign spammers to discuss. I guess what we usually see here are those butthurt people cannot accept their mistakes made that's why they lose their account due to abusive actions they commit. Its normal for people to get curious on that situation especially if they know the casino is reputable or there's something wrong going on the casino they are playing. If we accused those people spamming for post count then I think its unfair for them especially if their intention is pure. Its important to see if their post have sense and all is according to the topic discuss. Although I understand your point regarding on this situation but expect that what you think happen since we are in public forum and anyone could post whatever they like. Edit: Also I don't think this topic belong in this section since in my opinion this type of discussion belongs to gambling discussion board. Please get the actual context of what I'm saying in the topic. I said it's understandable, but we also have to he responsible. I was merely saying that there might be nefarious people who are taking advantage of the fact that their "scam accusations" will get more attention in a BitcoinTalk with signature campaigns, than a BitcoinTalk without signature campaigns. Because if that nefarious person was actually trolling us with a fake accusation, then we would be feeding him/her with the attention that he/she needs and desires to continue trolling, and he/she might also convince some people that he/she was telling the truth because the topic is getting a lot of attention. Title: Re: How high is the probability of accusations vs. casinos in BitcoinTalk are true? Post by: Cantsay on June 04, 2024, 09:32:24 PM We need to add some deadlines for the post and oblige the user to keep an update. As we can see, after the resolution, the user disappears, and we don't understand what's going on in the situation! Moreover, there are some platforms on the internet, such as AskGamblers, where you can submit a complaint that is monitored by supervisors! We know you have to complete your quota but at least try to understand the what a thread is about before dropping your response - this thread clearly didn’t ask anything concerning those that made threads and never return back to it or those that at some point in time abandon their accusation thread - it only just points at the rate at which users supports accuser/accused if they usually do more digging before they support any side or they just do it just so they would have something to say and fill their weekly quota. Title: Re: How high is the probability of accusations vs. casinos in BitcoinTalk are true? Post by: Fivestar4everMVP on June 04, 2024, 09:38:20 PM Currently, there's a pattern. A person makes a new account in BitcoinTalk, makes a topic/accuses a casino of scamming him/her, and because some users need to bump up their post count for their signature campaigns, the topic gets more attention than it should be during a normal situation. To be honest with you, I do not find anything here worth discussing, why? Because, every scam accusations posted against casinos posted on this board have always gotten it's required amount of exposure and replies, from my own perspective though.OK, it's understandable that users need to bump up their post count, but we should also be responsible to find the truth, and merely not believing an accusation from a person who literally made a brand new account, nor discussing it with the person like something wrong actually happened. Because actual scammers themselves will take advantage of us. And matters are always judged rightly where an accusation without any evidence or proof usually don't get any serious attention from users, regardless of what rank the accusation is coming from. But accusations that is posted with well convincing evidences or proofs are usually given attention where the victim is directed to shift or take the accusation to the scam and accusation board for proper treatment of the case.. I don't know about other users here but I personally have never come across a scam accusations thread on this board that was given undue attention, if I am wrong, then please point me to one of such. Title: Re: How high is the probability of accusations vs. casinos in BitcoinTalk are true? Post by: adultcrypto on June 04, 2024, 09:48:14 PM Currently, there's a pattern. A person makes a new account in BitcoinTalk, makes a topic/accuses a casino of scamming him/her, and because some users need to bump up their post count for their signature campaigns, the topic gets more attention than it should be during a normal situation. When users make accusations here, it is normal for there to be a response not only from those wearing signature but even fellow newbies. This is what I notice in most of the threads where there is complaints or accusation and engagements there are not only for signature campaigns as people actually state their experience and honest opinion regarding the platform being accused. If you are suggesting that those wearing signatures should not joined the discussions raised by new accounts, I don't think that is fine by me because I don't understand what that will accomplish. OK, it's understandable that users need to bump up their post count, but we should also be responsible to find the truth, and merely not believing an accusation from a person who literally made a brand new account, nor discussing it with the person like something wrong actually happened. Because actual scammers themselves will take advantage of us. Title: Re: How high is the probability of accusations vs. casinos in BitcoinTalk are true? Post by: mirakal on June 04, 2024, 11:44:12 PM Even if the rate is high, it is naive to assume the next accusation is legit anyway since no one really controls who posts the accusations and whatnot. Even if the topics get boosted one way or another because some members commented on it, everyone is always encouraged to verify the claim. This is not exclusive to Bitcointalk anyway, other review platforms are not immune to fake accusations. I believe the trust system is working quite well in this regard. CMIIW. No one can tell if he is true to his accusations unless if he can present strong proofs and evidences that will verify his claim, otherwise posters will keep on meddling with the problem without finding the solution, and that makes the accusation more convincing on the eyes of the one sided people. This is the reason why I don’t easily draw into conclusion and criticize the other side without proving and verifying the accusation first, as I don’t want to fall another victim on the accuser either.Title: Re: How high is the probability of accusations vs. casinos in BitcoinTalk are true? Post by: AB de Royse777 on June 05, 2024, 06:49:01 AM Not all scam accusations comes with a valid references and resources. I used to look at scam accusation board more frequently but ever since I realized there are fake accusations just to try to recover the lost money from a casino, I minimized my visiting on the scam accusation board.
Title: Re: How high is the probability of accusations vs. casinos in BitcoinTalk are true? Post by: Marvelockg on June 05, 2024, 07:00:39 AM Currently, there's a pattern. A person makes a new account in BitcoinTalk, makes a topic/accuses a casino of scamming him/her, and because some users need to bump up their post count for their signature campaigns, the topic gets more attention than it should be during a normal situation. believe what most newbie says to your own risk. For what I know and have observed most of the time. Most of the newbie account are created to air out what they can't normally say with their main account and once they feel any form of threat from there main account they go all out using the alt account to render abusive statement and even attack certain casino and gambling site that exist on the forum with claims that they won and were wrongly kicked out or denied access to there funds. It's just a loosed and immature way of doing things from the angle of those folks.OK, it's understandable that users need to bump up their post count, but we should also be responsible to find the truth, and merely not believing an accusation from a person who literally made a brand new account, nor discussing it with the person like something wrong actually happened. Because actual scammers themselves will take advantage of us. And yes, they still manage to get lots of attention from those trying to complete there post count and others that aren't a fan to those casino company and that would want to join in tarnishing the image of those companies. I guess it would have been best that moderators should regulate the extent to which they allow newbies to air out there view that tend to paint a wrong narrative about a company that's promoting hee stuff on the forum. For part of what I know as a possibility, newbies can be paid to tarnish the image of a certain casino company and they can frame up piece of baseless shit to achieve this. Title: Re: How high is the probability of accusations vs. casinos in BitcoinTalk are true? Post by: Nrcewker on June 05, 2024, 07:10:51 AM Currently, there's a pattern. A person makes a new account in BitcoinTalk, makes a topic/accuses a casino of scamming him/her, and because some users need to bump up their post count for their signature campaigns, the topic gets more attention than it should be during a normal situation. Most of the time, I have seen only genuine people reply to the scam accusation thread. If someone posts in the thread to increase their post count, then all the campaign managers need to strictly include the rule that posting in the Scam Accusations board won’t count for each week. In this manner, the signature spammers can be reduced, and only the necessary people will reply on the thread. Though if the company is big, it won’t harm them in any manner if more people contribute to the thread where they are accused. But yes, this can be stopped in this manner.Title: Re: How high is the probability of accusations vs. casinos in BitcoinTalk are true? Post by: AHOYBRAUSE on June 05, 2024, 10:06:39 AM I think maybe half or little bit less of the accusations actually are true. Often enough people use this forum as some sort of last resort to put pressure on the casino by trying to tarnish their reputation, all in hopes of getting what they want after all. Had this some months ago with one scammer who did multi accounting on BC and had at least 5 accounts at bitcointalk to make various kinds of accusations. Once the jig was up he left quietly. But I honestly believe there are also cases against big sites that actually have merit and need to be addressed. Sites also make mistakes. There was 1 guy who fought against stake for months to get his around 12k$ released, in the end he finally got it. I have had 2 baseless accusations against myself as well in the past (never published that here) which took quite a while to finally get a solution. So I know how it is to be blamed for something that is incorrect. Also, some sites make such a fuss over KYC, it's absolutely crazy. The adding of wanting to see a "proof of funds" in recent times also is alarming. This just happened in the past 2 years. Before I have never heard if that, crypto or fiat site. Before sites like stake advertised themselves with phrases like "we will never ask for KYC", and now they want to know your occupation and payslips from your job, that is not how it was supposed to be. They always talk about abuse and so on, but how can you abuse anything on most crypto sites? They don't even offer any bonuses for deposits. Every bonus nowadays is wager based, so they shouldn't care less of somebody has 1 or 2 or 3 accounts. Title: Re: How high is the probability of accusations vs. casinos in BitcoinTalk are true? Post by: ultrloa on June 05, 2024, 11:08:15 AM Currently, there's a pattern. A person makes a new account in BitcoinTalk, makes a topic/accuses a casino of scamming him/her, and because some users need to bump up their post count for their signature campaigns, the topic gets more attention than it should be during a normal situation. Most of the time, I have seen only genuine people reply to the scam accusation thread. If someone posts in the thread to increase their post count, then all the campaign managers need to strictly include the rule that posting in the Scam Accusations board won’t count for each week. In this manner, the signature spammers can be reduced, and only the necessary people will reply on the thread. Though if the company is big, it won’t harm them in any manner if more people contribute to the thread where they are accused. But yes, this can be stopped in this manner.I think one post out of curiosity is fine but if they add up more something not useful to the thread and clear that they are spamming then that indicate that user is not actually helping or contributing to the discussion but rather just want to fulfil their weekly quotas in the campaign. Then managers should look at the situation happening since consistently doing that will not gonna help their campaign promoting. So overall for sure it will be good to ignore a accusation thread like that until no proof has been provided that the issue is legitimate since either it will just boost up the ego of the troll if they only made u that story and people will just have bad impression about your post created to that thread. This can really be corrected if someone take action so let see if there's something changes will happen especially there's already a topic raised towards this actions. Title: Re: How high is the probability of accusations vs. casinos in BitcoinTalk are true? Post by: tranthidung on June 05, 2024, 02:08:45 PM As I promised yesterday.
Total accusations and cases for invalid, in-progress, inactive, active, unresolved, resolved. Definitions for them, please get there [LIST] Scam Accusation Cases Against Betting Platform on The Forum (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5481683.0). Code: +-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------+ This part is for percent, as guessed by OP, percent for invalid cases is usually high if we count for brands with considerable sample sizes. Percent here for resolved cases are calculated by total resolved cases / total accusations. Indeed, it would be more accurate if we do as follows: total resolved cases/ total valid cases, but I skipped it for now. Edit: I do it as resolved_p2 Code: +---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------+ Title: Re: How high is the probability of accusations vs. casinos in BitcoinTalk are true? Post by: Fivestar4everMVP on June 05, 2024, 02:23:15 PM Not all scam accusations comes with a valid references and resources. I used to look at scam accusation board more frequently but ever since I realized there are fake accusations just to try to recover the lost money from a casino, I minimized my visiting on the scam accusation board. From the advent of gambling, even when there is no existence of online casinos, gamblers have always seeked for way for them to illegally recover what they gave lost, when in the old days when I was still in elementary school, I remember some boys back then who after gambling and losing their money(handout), when school dismisses, they will ambush their gambling opponent, beat him up and collect the money they lost to him, most especially when the opponents path to going home was a lonely one, this made many of us back then avoid joining in such games, most especially if your opponent is some one stronger than you.Today, this things still continue, gambling losers; both on online and offline casino look for ways to see if they can blackmail the casino into paying them some money which serves as the money they lost while playing on that casino, and this is why the place of providing concrete proofs to any scam accusations is very important, and I think the forum has been up and doing in demanding for such proofs before believing an accusation, else, the accusation is usually ignored just after a few comments or pages of comments. Title: Re: How high is the probability of accusations vs. casinos in BitcoinTalk are true? Post by: Wind_FURY on June 05, 2024, 02:35:03 PM Currently, there's a pattern. A person makes a new account in BitcoinTalk, makes a topic/accuses a casino of scamming him/her, and because some users need to bump up their post count for their signature campaigns, the topic gets more attention than it should be during a normal situation. Most of the time, I have seen only genuine people reply to the scam accusation thread. If someone posts in the thread to increase their post count, then all the campaign managers need to strictly include the rule that posting in the Scam Accusations board won’t count for each week. In this manner, the signature spammers can be reduced, and only the necessary people will reply on the thread. Though if the company is big, it won’t harm them in any manner if more people contribute to the thread where they are accused. But yes, this can be stopped in this manner. All of them might be genuine, but because of signature campaigns, there's some probability that they are also doing it for post count, WHICH is understandable. I didn't say anything against the posters, I'm merely making a point that the topics made by "newbie accounts" won't get as much bumps if the forum didn't have signature campaigns. Plus we're not discussing about those topics in Scam Accusations. We're talking about those "newbie accounts" that try to disrupt the discussions in a casino's ANN thread by making scam accusations. How many of them were positively proven to be true? Title: Re: How high is the probability of accusations vs. casinos in BitcoinTalk are true? Post by: tranthidung on June 05, 2024, 03:14:28 PM Plus we're not discussing about those topics in Scam Accusations. We're talking about those "newbie accounts" that try to disrupt the discussions in a casino's ANN thread by making scam accusations. How many of them were positively proven to be true? If a user is legit and has valid proof that a casino is scam, it's less reason to use alt like a newbie account to start an accusation against the casino. With years in the forum, I read several accusations in Scam accusation board or in Announcement threads of casinos, most of them turn to invalid.Stats above are showing this fact and I agree that it's bad if we automatically think that all accusations from newbies are invalid but we must be cautious when reading them and if accusations are against old and trusted brands, we must be more careful rather than quickly believe in newbies. Stats also show that big brands have highest number of accusations but positively, they have high resolved percents too. Their reputation comes from high resolved percents as mistakes can be make with initial decisions but when their users open accusations, they will handle it properly after deeper investigation internally. Title: Re: How high is the probability of accusations vs. casinos in BitcoinTalk are true? Post by: iv4n on June 05, 2024, 04:19:53 PM Plus we're not discussing about those topics in Scam Accusations. We're talking about those "newbie accounts" that try to disrupt the discussions in a casino's ANN thread by making scam accusations. How many of them were positively proven to be true? A few definitely, but a lot more are just false scam accusations... I am not sure are they paid for doing that, or maybe they just have something against a casino because they lost, anyway if I don't see any "valid" proof I will not trust them. Anyway, it has been happening many times in the past and I doubt it will stop happening in the future. I don't even wish to go into reasons why they are doing that. And there are newbies who are here for the first time and they don't pay much attention to rules, they just wish to find a way to resolve their issues because support can be really slow in many casinos. My wild guess is that 80% of accusations are false, and maybe 20% are true... when they come from newbie's accounts. Title: Re: How high is the probability of accusations vs. casinos in BitcoinTalk are true? Post by: Nwada001 on June 05, 2024, 06:04:00 PM Not all scam accusations comes with a valid references and resources. I used to look at scam accusation board more frequently but ever since I realized there are fake accusations just to try to recover the lost money from a casino, I minimized my visiting on the scam accusation board. I'm a little bit active on that scam accusation board, but I do avoid some of the accusations on gambling sites, especially if I detect that the accusers don't provide enough evidence as expected, and even when asked, they still bit around the bush inside, going starlight to the point until the casino rep comes to clear the air. There are also some that come with honesty; they might just be waiting for the casino to reply to their response, but maybe due to the delay and because they need fast answers, they rush to this place as they believe members here can pressure casino to respond to their report, especially casinos with clear intention and with ANN here. Title: Re: How high is the probability of accusations vs. casinos in BitcoinTalk are true? Post by: barbara44 on June 05, 2024, 06:38:24 PM Even if the rate is high, it is naive to assume the next accusation is legit anyway since no one really controls who posts the accusations and whatnot. Even if the topics get boosted one way or another because some members commented on it, everyone is always encouraged to verify the claim. This is not exclusive to Bitcointalk anyway, other review platforms are not immune to fake accusations. I believe the trust system is working quite well in this regard. CMIIW. For some, this is what they dislike about the forum because anyone can pretend and post anything here but for the others or those who are shady, they like this fact. Now we know that our forum is like this, the only thing to do is to not believe easily. We need to read, observe, and do our research to help judge better.Many review platforms or forums are more regulated than Bitcointalk but it's better to be safe than sorry, so yeah that we should make it a habit to do those practices mentioned here. In our forum, we still have that trust system you are talking about but I think no, it isn't working really well. Haven't you heard of those trust abusers? There are users who debates about it from time to time. Title: Re: How high is the probability of accusations vs. casinos in BitcoinTalk are true? Post by: OgNasty on June 05, 2024, 07:57:11 PM It's hard to say but I'm guessing a lot of accusations stem from bad gambling decisions more than wrongdoing by the casino. Talking about established businesses obviously... I can tell you as someone who has run multiple organizations here that sell goods and services, a lot of complaints I get are completely made up nonsense that I'd say are blatant and malicious lies. This is the internet and there are a lot of people with mental health issues out there. Just use a reputable casino for online gambling and avoid all the drama in most of these accusations.
Title: Re: How high is the probability of accusations vs. casinos in BitcoinTalk are true? Post by: notblox1 on June 05, 2024, 08:19:14 PM Newbie creating scam accusations could be different case to case, but they need to provide real evidence for calling something a scam.
If someone creates new account in forum than they are already using forum with different account but they dont want to connect it with casino. This can be for good reason if they want to preserve privacy, or for bad reasons if they tried to cheat and abuse casino. I have much more respect for members who use main profile for any accusations in forum. Title: Re: How high is the probability of accusations vs. casinos in BitcoinTalk are true? Post by: Dr.Bitcoin_Strange on June 05, 2024, 08:37:51 PM Well, I don't see that many threads for accusations against casinos are always being bumped, like you said, or maybe I always miss it whenit comes up. The only recent topic I came across was the one in which the member was seeking help because of the KYC issues he or she had with BG. Games.
But if that's something that is happening frequently, then the moderators have the right to lock any thread that has actually fulfilled its purpose. If, for example, a casino was accused and the issue was solved by other members, the topic should be locked by moderators to prevent spamming. Title: Re: How high is the probability of accusations vs. casinos in BitcoinTalk are true? Post by: Dunamisx on June 05, 2024, 08:43:02 PM There are some gambling platforms in which we receive their scam accusations on this platform and those gambling sites have never been here, also, on bitcoitalk, gambling platforms had been reported on several occasions to be found with one or more challenges from their users in which some of these accusations are genuine while some are not, you could get more on these from the scam accusations board.
Title: Re: How high is the probability of accusations vs. casinos in BitcoinTalk are true? Post by: seoincorporation on June 05, 2024, 11:07:13 PM OK, it's understandable that users need to bump up their post count, but we should also be responsible to find the truth, and merely not believing an accusation from a person who literally made a brand new account, nor discussing it with the person like something wrong actually happened. Because actual scammers themselves will take advantage of us. The fact that users post in that kind of thread doesn't mean they support the accusation, sometimes the post is to support the casino, it depends on the accusation. But i don't see the problem with posting in those threads because the community can share their experience in that casino to let the other users know if they should or not trust that site. As you mention, some of the posts are pure spam, but some others are really informative and even help to fix the problem between the casino and the user. Title: Re: How high is the probability of accusations vs. casinos in BitcoinTalk are true? Post by: Ojima-ojo on June 05, 2024, 11:10:25 PM Not all scam accusations comes with a valid references and resources. I used to look at scam accusation board more frequently but ever since I realized there are fake accusations just to try to recover the lost money from a casino, I minimized my visiting on the scam accusation board. A lot of scam accusations are sponsored hate campaign from competitors who thinks the said casino is doing better than them, and their inability to meet up with the standard of competition in the market is what Fuel such hate move mostly.So because such incidents forum members have decided not to treat any scam accusations seriously if their don't contain some valid evidence that prove that the casino indeed scammed them in any ways. Title: Re: How high is the probability of accusations vs. casinos in BitcoinTalk are true? Post by: jossiel on June 05, 2024, 11:45:27 PM Currently, there's a pattern. A person makes a new account in BitcoinTalk, makes a topic/accuses a casino of scamming him/her, and because some users need to bump up their post count for their signature campaigns, the topic gets more attention than it should be during a normal situation. While it's like both of the situations are correct, the brand new accounts that were genuinely made and found in the forum were also probably due to the social accounts of the casinos they've played it and trying to reach every contact that they can talk to for their concern. So with that, they're in desperate mode to address their issue.OK, it's understandable that users need to bump up their post count, but we should also be responsible to find the truth, and merely not believing an accusation from a person who literally made a brand new account, nor discussing it with the person like something wrong actually happened. Because actual scammers themselves will take advantage of us. As for the others, indeed, they're just trying to crumple a casino's reputation by flaming with their losses and blaming it on the casino, doing some made-up stories and whatnot. In the end, it's always about the proof that they're putting at the table to verify if their accusation makes sense or not. Title: Re: How high is the probability of accusations vs. casinos in BitcoinTalk are true? Post by: rodskee on June 06, 2024, 01:29:43 AM Rationing those what I have seen from the past towards casinos , there are at least 2/10 legit to false/accusations.
there is one thing that can prove here either the casino or accusing and that is to provide proofs , because each cases needs to be proven with documents more than just a words against words. While casino are not bringing proofs directly here yet they are accepting 3rd party prominent member to hold their proofs saying that the accusation is just crocks . https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?board=83.0 we can just check this section and look at the sentiments and the stand of each gamblers here in bitcointalk. If you are a victim , then make sure that you can stand with it having proofs Title: Re: How high is the probability of accusations vs. casinos in BitcoinTalk are true? Post by: yahoo62278 on June 06, 2024, 02:06:19 AM There are many who have no business posting in the accusation threads, including myself at times. If you have no clue about how casinos work, aren't informed about a certain casino ToS, have never gambled at that casino or gamble period, are only posting to increase your post count, or are in general a spammer you probably need to avoid the scam accusation section altogether.
There are some informed users who do a good job in that section, holydarkness, Pmalek, some of the managers working with the casino, and probably a few I am forgetting. I have been staying mostly away from that section lately as I have been working less with casino, but occasionally I find a case that I feel comfortable commenting on. Regarding the number of cases that are true. IMO I feel like most of the accusations from the newbies(and others) are bullshit, and like someone else in this thread said, a strong arm attempt to get a casino to pay. When people with no clue start twisting the facts in a thread or posting without a clue, it does make it hard for those that are trying to help help. Title: Re: How high is the probability of accusations vs. casinos in BitcoinTalk are true? Post by: tranthidung on June 06, 2024, 06:42:19 AM Here is the update with all percents calculated from valid accusation cases. The number of valid accusation is only temporary because some will become invalid but let's assume it is true as of writing, based on the thread I got the data from, to run the summary stats.
I don't know definitions for categories like "In-progress", "Inactive" or "Active" so on top of that, I simply look at percents for resolved and unresolved cases.Big companies with good reputation tend to have high resolved percent for valid accusations. Code: +------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------+ Title: Re: How high is the probability of accusations vs. casinos in BitcoinTalk are true? Post by: Haunebu on June 06, 2024, 06:50:45 AM If you are a victim , then make sure that you can stand with it having proofs This is pretty much common sense, but many still just accuse sites without proof thinking that it's enough while some others accuse sites unfairly in order to try and reclaim their losses somehow.Have even observed some cheaters accusing scam sites like 1xbit etc by taking advantage of their negative reputation within this forum. Crazy stuff! Title: Re: How high is the probability of accusations vs. casinos in BitcoinTalk are true? Post by: FinneysTrueVision on June 06, 2024, 07:19:11 AM Most scam accusations get easily debunked or don’t lead anywhere due to insufficient evidence. There are rare occasions where the casino actually did something wrong but most of the time they will correct their mistake by reversing their restrictions on a player’s account.
I have looked at many accusations in this forum and other places like AskGamblers, and there is not many cases where the casino is straight out trying to scam people. Players who have lost a lot of money sometimes get bitter and want to destroy the casino’s reputation. Sometimes people get desperate when they have problems with KYC or some other technical issue and will create an accusation hoping this will resolve their problems quickly. You can’t just take an accusation at face value, you have to wait until enough relevant details have been provided to reach a logical conclusion. Title: Re: How high is the probability of accusations vs. casinos in BitcoinTalk are true? Post by: davis196 on June 06, 2024, 07:36:32 AM Currently, there's a pattern. A person makes a new account in BitcoinTalk, makes a topic/accuses a casino of scamming him/her, and because some users need to bump up their post count for their signature campaigns, the topic gets more attention than it should be during a normal situation. OK, it's understandable that users need to bump up their post count, but we should also be responsible to find the truth, and merely not believing an accusation from a person who literally made a brand new account, nor discussing it with the person like something wrong actually happened. Because actual scammers themselves will take advantage of us. How the scammers can take advantage of us in such situation? What do you suggest? Nobody creating brand new accounts on Bitcointalk and complaining about being scammed by a casino? Most people, who "bump their post count" by posting on such forum threads actually want to find out the truth. We shouldn't tolerate casinos, that are scamming their users. The newbies having the freedom to complain about being scammed by a casino is a really important part of this forum. And of course, BOTH SIDES SHOULD PROVIDE EVIDENCE FOR THEIR CLAIMS. Here's my proposal. The posts made in the Scam Accusations forum shouldn't be counted by the sig campaign managers. This is how less people will "bump their post count" and your imaginary problem will be solved. Title: Re: How high is the probability of accusations vs. casinos in BitcoinTalk are true? Post by: kotajikikox on June 06, 2024, 08:31:13 AM Here is the update with all percents calculated from valid accusation cases. The number of valid accusation is only temporary because some will become invalid but let's assume it is true as of writing, based on the thread I got the data from, to run the summary stats. there are names that still popular and has active advertising here in forum but it seems that I cannot see the very famous Gambling site 1xbit/1xbet in the list? i believe they will fall into 100% unresolved and surely will be on top of the list ;DI don't know definitions for categories like "In-progress", "Inactive" or "Active" so on top of that, I simply look at percents for resolved and unresolved cases.Big companies with good reputation tend to have high resolved percent for valid accusations. Code: +------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------+ Thanks for this update mate , showing that the accusation in many sites are majority is not that valid . Title: Re: How high is the probability of accusations vs. casinos in BitcoinTalk are true? Post by: Awaklara on June 06, 2024, 08:53:50 AM there are names that still popular and has active advertising here in forum but it seems that I cannot see the very famous Gambling site 1xbit/1xbet in the list? i believe they will fall into 100% unresolved and surely will be on top of the list ;D it's a casino that has been proven to be a scam, no need to include it in the list.Thanks for this update mate , showing that the accusation in many sites are majority is not that valid . Most of the accusations are the fault of users who violate the rules of the casino. they can't withdraw and then make accusations that are their unacknowledged fault. It's not that they didn't read the rules, but they ignored them and thought it was a loophole that could benefit them. but a casino with a good reputation will not be easily fooled. Title: Re: How high is the probability of accusations vs. casinos in BitcoinTalk are true? Post by: kotajikikox on June 06, 2024, 09:19:09 AM there are names that still popular and has active advertising here in forum but it seems that I cannot see the very famous Gambling site 1xbit/1xbet in the list? i believe they will fall into 100% unresolved and surely will be on top of the list ;D it's a casino that has been proven to be a scam, no need to include it in the list.Thanks for this update mate , showing that the accusation in many sites are majority is not that valid . Most of the accusations are the fault of users who violate the rules of the casino. they can't withdraw and then make accusations that are their unacknowledged fault. It's not that they didn't read the rules, but they ignored them and thought it was a loophole that could benefit them. but a casino with a good reputation will not be easily fooled. 1xbit/1xbet is proven to be scam and we cannot argue with that but I believe list is still list and we should put everything on it to at least warn newbie gambler to not fall from their traps. and about that loophole ? indeed that is truly the Bait for those players in which many of them becomes a victim . Title: Re: How high is the probability of accusations vs. casinos in BitcoinTalk are true? Post by: Frankolala on June 06, 2024, 10:07:15 AM It is good that those people laying accusations on casinos should be given listening ears and advice or options on what to do by forum members here, and I don't see how forum members are using it to meet up with their post quota, because no one can know if he is saying the truth or not. As humans, when we here the word 'scam', you will always feel pity for the victim.
If the topic is not discussed one will not know the truth that the accuser is a lair. I also believe that the way forum members take scam accusations serious on casinos will also help and promote the casino, the more if the truth is know. It will also make the casino to be cautious with their actions not to damage their reputation. Title: Re: How high is the probability of accusations vs. casinos in BitcoinTalk are true? Post by: tranthidung on June 06, 2024, 10:49:46 AM there are names that still popular and has active advertising here in forum but it seems that I cannot see the very famous Gambling site 1xbit/1xbet in the list? i believe they will fall into 100% unresolved and surely will be on top of the list ;D . I don't know how holydarkeness collected data for that thread if you want to know, ask him but in Scam accusation board (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?board=83.0), there is a pinned thread to warn people about 1xbet platform.[WARNING] Beware of 1xBit casino, investors from Telegram, and Youtube scams! (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5350059.0) Title: Re: How high is the probability of accusations vs. casinos in BitcoinTalk are true? Post by: mak013 on June 06, 2024, 11:09:43 AM Currently, there's a pattern. A person makes a new account in BitcoinTalk, makes a topic/accuses a casino of scamming him/her, and because some users need to bump up their post count for their signature campaigns, the topic gets more attention than it should be during a normal situation. Most of the time, I have seen only genuine people reply to the scam accusation thread. If someone posts in the thread to increase their post count, then all the campaign managers need to strictly include the rule that posting in the Scam Accusations board won’t count for each week. In this manner, the signature spammers can be reduced, and only the necessary people will reply on the thread. Though if the company is big, it won’t harm them in any manner if more people contribute to the thread where they are accused. But yes, this can be stopped in this manner. All of them might be genuine, but because of signature campaigns, there's some probability that they are also doing it for post count, WHICH is understandable. I didn't say anything against the posters, I'm merely making a point that the topics made by "newbie accounts" won't get as much bumps if the forum didn't have signature campaigns. Plus we're not discussing about those topics in Scam Accusations. We're talking about those "newbie accounts" that try to disrupt the discussions in a casino's ANN thread by making scam accusations. How many of them were positively proven to be true? Title: Re: How high is the probability of accusations vs. casinos in BitcoinTalk are true? Post by: Mrbluntzy on June 06, 2024, 11:42:43 AM It is possible that most of those accusations against those casinos is true, even if all is not true, majority of it is true. Some non reputable casinos might have indeed scammed those guys that create the scam accusation topics while some of those accusations are also a false accusations which was the fault of the gambler and not the casino mentioned. If any reputable casino on this community is falsely accused, they will definitely respond to clear their name or their representative will likely respond.
Title: Re: How high is the probability of accusations vs. casinos in BitcoinTalk are true? Post by: TheUltraElite on June 06, 2024, 03:07:58 PM I have noticed a pattern that whenever a new casino comes to the forum, starts their campaign and starts becoming somewhat popular among the forum crowd, a scam accusation comes up and eventually get rebutted by the casino eventually leading to another account posting a scam accusation. This was much more common in the early days of the stake.com signature campaign and previous to that primedice and after that it was roobet.
Still the legitimate scams get solved and cleared nicely, only the ones where the player is at fault, dont get enough traction from the reputed members of the forum. Title: Re: How high is the probability of accusations vs. casinos in BitcoinTalk are true? Post by: Eternad on June 06, 2024, 03:12:49 PM It is possible that most of those accusations against those casinos is true, even if all is not true, majority of it is true. Some non reputable casinos might have indeed scammed those guys that create the scam accusation topics while some of those accusations are also a false accusations which was the fault of the gambler and not the casino mentioned. If any reputable casino on this community is falsely accused, they will definitely respond to clear their name or their representative will likely respond. Do you visit frequently on scam accusation board? Most of the scam accusation there is against reputable casino which ended up as garbage thread after failure of providing evidence. Most of the accusations in the forum against casino is hoax since those users is just using the forum to take shield on hiding their ToS violation on the casino. Playing victim is very popular on that board that makes it very hard to support or follow new complaints especially if its involved sudden account freeze since this case usually incorporates violation of ToS once the casino reps clear their name by providing evidence. Title: Re: How high is the probability of accusations vs. casinos in BitcoinTalk are true? Post by: Pmalek on June 06, 2024, 03:35:48 PM My personal opinion is that most of the accusations are false and created by cheaters of various kinds. They got caught and had their money confiscated and creating a scam accusation and throwing dirt at the casino is one of their ways to seek revenge. You do occasionally find a genuine user who has a valid case, but most often it's walking through mud and garbage to find a case where a player seems to be right.
At the same time, some casinos are very careful with the information they share publicly. They claim it's for security reasons, and that's often the case. The lack of transparency makes it difficult to catch them in a lie (if they are lying). In situations where the case goes to a mediator, you only see the final result, and have to trust that the mediator did a good job and was honest about their decision. Title: Re: How high is the probability of accusations vs. casinos in BitcoinTalk are true? Post by: Hamphser on June 06, 2024, 05:17:05 PM It is possible that most of those accusations against those casinos is true, even if all is not true, majority of it is true. Some non reputable casinos might have indeed scammed those guys that create the scam accusation topics while some of those accusations are also a false accusations which was the fault of the gambler and not the casino mentioned. If any reputable casino on this community is falsely accused, they will definitely respond to clear their name or their representative will likely respond. Do you visit frequently on scam accusation board? Most of the scam accusation there is against reputable casino which ended up as garbage thread after failure of providing evidence. Most of the accusations in the forum against casino is hoax since those users is just using the forum to take shield on hiding their ToS violation on the casino. Playing victim is very popular on that board that makes it very hard to support or follow new complaints especially if its involved sudden account freeze since this case usually incorporates violation of ToS once the casino reps clear their name by providing evidence. doesnt really mind on answering it at all. For those things or statistics been posted above on this page on which i wasnt aware that all of those accusations been thrown have been tallied out. Amazing always for @tranthidung :) Title: Re: How high is the probability of accusations vs. casinos in BitcoinTalk are true? Post by: Dunamisx on June 06, 2024, 07:41:03 PM It is possible that most of those accusations against those casinos is true, even if all is not true, majority of it is true. Some non reputable casinos might have indeed scammed those guys that create the scam accusation topics while some of those accusations are also a false accusations which was the fault of the gambler and not the casino mentioned. If any reputable casino on this community is falsely accused, they will definitely respond to clear their name or their representative will likely respond. Some of those accusation reports are true while some were not due to the reason being that the gamblers are the ones at fault from their end, we can also get some trusted ones from the scam accusations and discussion thread on that particular gambling platform, to cap it all, we may also go through tje reviews left on those gambling sites in other to have an idea on their reputation before using them. Title: Re: How high is the probability of accusations vs. casinos in BitcoinTalk are true? Post by: Yatsan on June 06, 2024, 11:20:10 PM Currently, there's a pattern. A person makes a new account in BitcoinTalk, makes a topic/accuses a casino of scamming him/her, and because some users need to bump up their post count for their signature campaigns, the topic gets more attention than it should be during a normal situation. Most of the time the player turns out to be wrong and is using the forum to strong arm a casino. I still always start off taking the player's side until the book proves him guilty.OK, it's understandable that users need to bump up their post count, but we should also be responsible to find the truth, and merely not believing an accusation from a person who literally made a brand new account, nor discussing it with the person like something wrong actually happened. Because actual scammers themselves will take advantage of us. It is possible that most of those accusations against those casinos is true, even if all is not true, majority of it is true. Some non reputable casinos might have indeed scammed those guys that create the scam accusation topics while some of those accusations are also a false accusations which was the fault of the gambler and not the casino mentioned. If any reputable casino on this community is falsely accused, they will definitely respond to clear their name or their representative will likely respond. Some of those accusation reports are true while some were not due to the reason being that the gamblers are the ones at fault from their end, we can also get some trusted ones from the scam accusations and discussion thread on that particular gambling platform, to cap it all, we may also go through tje reviews left on those gambling sites in other to have an idea on their reputation before using them. Title: Re: How high is the probability of accusations vs. casinos in BitcoinTalk are true? Post by: EarnOnVictor on June 07, 2024, 05:28:06 AM Currently, there's a pattern. A person makes a new account in BitcoinTalk, makes a topic/accuses a casino of scamming him/her, and because some users need to bump up their post count for their signature campaigns, the topic gets more attention than it should be during a normal situation. First, the remark that users want to bump up their post count in such threads is based on your assumption and can never be proven to be right in any sense unless an individual tells you their mind. If they like, they will let go of the thread and still have thousands of threads they can post in, that's the extent to which they have choices as far as Bitcointalk is concerned. Posting on such threads is part of what this forum is for whether you are in a campaign or not and I've seen many people who are not in a campaign still posting in such threads, are they also bumping up their post count for a campaign?OK, it's understandable that users need to bump up their post count, but we should also be responsible to find the truth, and merely not believing an accusation from a person who literally made a brand new account, nor discussing it with the person like something wrong actually happened. Because actual scammers themselves will take advantage of us. However, what I see as the main point here is telling the truth in this regard and I think people are trying their best to do so. Though it may not be what you wanted them to say, nevertheless, that's their opinion and we should respect other's opinions. For me, I am most neutral in such threads, this is unless there is viable proof on either side. But what I do not like is for forum members suddenly backing a casino simply because their representative make a comment even without proof or users saying others are not complaining. Is it a must that cheating affects all? I try to be fair to all. Title: Re: How high is the probability of accusations vs. casinos in BitcoinTalk are true? Post by: freedomgo on June 07, 2024, 05:54:35 AM Currently, there's a pattern. A person makes a new account in BitcoinTalk, makes a topic/accuses a casino of scamming him/her, and because some users need to bump up their post count for their signature campaigns, the topic gets more attention than it should be during a normal situation. OK, it's understandable that users need to bump up their post count, but we should also be responsible to find the truth, and merely not believing an accusation from a person who literally made a brand new account, nor discussing it with the person like something wrong actually happened. Because actual scammers themselves will take advantage of us. An accusation, in my opinion, should be acted upon or noticed by the community regardless of the account's status, whether it's a newbie or a Legendary, or a user with positive or negative trust. We have to base our actions on the evidence presented. Without evidence, it should not be entertained or bumped, as it will likely create reputation damage for the casino being accused. I've noticed as well that there's a lot of newbies recently coming up with scam accusations, but they don't have enough evidence to support their claims. That's why every time I stumble upon a similar thread, I always ask the OP to provide evidence of the accusation so the matter can be discussed. Title: Re: How high is the probability of accusations vs. casinos in BitcoinTalk are true? Post by: Kakmakr on June 07, 2024, 06:14:41 AM The reason for this is simple....
These people are using a throwaway Alt account, because they want to try to stay anonymous. If you use a older account, people can social engineer the previous posts you made to find out a lot more about you.... "Newbie" accounts does not provide that post history. They might also be someone that are shitposting their competitors to discredit them, because trust is a big deal when it comes to casinos. There are also just some people that are trolling the forum for their own silly pleasures, so I do not take these posts very seriously. :P Also, let's not forget about the butthurt gamblers out there that lost a lot of money gambling and then trying to lash out against the casino to feed their own agenda. Title: Re: How high is the probability of accusations vs. casinos in BitcoinTalk are true? Post by: Z_MBFM on June 07, 2024, 06:49:54 AM Currently, there's a pattern. A person makes a new account in BitcoinTalk, makes a topic/accuses a casino of scamming him/her, and because some users need to bump up their post count for their signature campaigns, the topic gets more attention than it should be during a normal situation. Real scammers try to fool smart people with various tricks. This could also be their strategy. When they accuse a reputable casino of fraud, many people are too busy to find out the truth about it, they continue to promote their scam site and present their scam as legitimate. I generally don't trust any topic created by a newbie account and always try to avoid their topic. I am often surprised to see topics created by newbies who are betting millions of dollars calling reputable sites scams. they are buying millions of dollars worth of bitcoins. the reason for creating such a topic is to attract the attention of smart users.OK, it's understandable that users need to bump up their post count, but we should also be responsible to find the truth, and merely not believing an accusation from a person who literally made a brand new account, nor discussing it with the person like something wrong actually happened. Because actual scammers themselves will take advantage of us. Title: Re: How high is the probability of accusations vs. casinos in BitcoinTalk are true? Post by: Assface16678 on June 07, 2024, 08:22:23 AM Currently, there's a pattern. A person makes a new account in BitcoinTalk, makes a topic/accuses a casino of scamming him/her, and because some users need to bump up their post count for their signature campaigns, the topic gets more attention than it should be during a normal situation. Well, it's quite annoying that many new users here in bitcointalk are posting nonsense accusations about other casino platforms, which is not a good thing and not healthy for the community of this forum because there are more negative topics to create. I get that they need to make post counts, but it is not a good idea to make topics or comment on the topic with nonsense statements or affiliations to other platforms. New users should focus on creating sensible topics or comments so that they could receive merits and be known by many users here. If you are good at content making or commenting, then you will definitely boost your account, and for sure, if you are accusing other platforms, it will be hard for you to land in a campaign and post in this section. Now that we know some alligations or accusation is not true and made up then we should not believe in those easily.OK, it's understandable that users need to bump up their post count, but we should also be responsible to find the truth, and merely not believing an accusation from a person who literally made a brand new account, nor discussing it with the person like something wrong actually happened. Because actual scammers themselves will take advantage of us. Title: Re: How high is the probability of accusations vs. casinos in BitcoinTalk are true? Post by: SmartGold01 on June 07, 2024, 08:35:35 AM To me what I usually say is that whenever such people create an account and come to accused a casino or gambling site I will always wants them to come up with their real account to accused them. I know there are lots of haters and competitors between casino operators which could led to some of them hiring people to accused the opposite casino to soil their reputation. Even though they came up with prove it could be an intentional acts to enable them tarnished the good image of other casinos.
So, what comes up immediately whenever you receive such topic or text, at first you don't need to just rush and pass your judgement toward the casino against the complaint neither would you pass judgement against complaint to the casino, you must check if the said poster uses the correct scam reporting format and has some provable evidence that authenticates the claims. Title: Re: How high is the probability of accusations vs. casinos in BitcoinTalk are true? Post by: Fivestar4everMVP on June 07, 2024, 08:59:50 AM To me what I usually say is that whenever such people create an account and come to accused a casino or gambling site I will always wants them to come up with their real account to accused them. I know there are lots of haters and competitors between casino operators which could led to some of them hiring people to accused the opposite casino to soil their reputation. Even though they came up with prove it could be an intentional acts to enable them tarnished the good image of other casinos. To be honest, if I was in a position to judge a case of a user reporting a casino to have scammed him or her, or simply reporting for any other issues wit the casino, I wouldnt judge the case by looking at reporting format since it's not everyone that is familiar with that, most especially the newbies on this forum, they may have a pretty genuie case but lack the knowledge of how to use the proper reporting format.So, what comes up immediately whenever you receive such topic or text, at first you don't need to just rush and pass your judgement toward the casino against the complaint neither would you pass judgement against complaint to the casino, you must check if the said poster uses the correct scam reporting format and has some provable evidence that authenticates the claims. I think the area of focus should be on the proofs or evidences presented, and how to make sure they are not doctored/photoshopped evidences. And secondly, another point you made that makes really good sense to me is in the area of such users endeavoring to use their main forum account for such accusations. Until now, I am yet to figure out why any user will want to create a new account simply for the purpose of accusing a casino of scam if they really have a genuine case. And for casinos hiring some users, paying them to accuse another casino of being a scam, I am still trying to figure out how that is even possible. Title: Re: How high is the probability of accusations vs. casinos in BitcoinTalk are true? Post by: SmartGold01 on June 07, 2024, 09:18:08 AM To me what I usually say is that whenever such people create an account and come to accused a casino or gambling site I will always wants them to come up with their real account to accused them. I know there are lots of haters and competitors between casino operators which could led to some of them hiring people to accused the opposite casino to soil their reputation. Even though they came up with prove it could be an intentional acts to enable them tarnished the good image of other casinos. To be honest, if I was in a position to judge a case of a user reporting a casino to have scammed him or her, or simply reporting for any other issues wit the casino, I wouldnt judge the case by looking at reporting format since it's not everyone that is familiar with that, most especially the newbies on this forum, they may have a pretty genuie case but lack the knowledge of how to use the proper reporting format.So, what comes up immediately whenever you receive such topic or text, at first you don't need to just rush and pass your judgement toward the casino against the complaint neither would you pass judgement against complaint to the casino, you must check if the said poster uses the correct scam reporting format and has some provable evidence that authenticates the claims. I think the area of focus should be on the proofs or evidences presented, and how to make sure they are not doctored/photoshopped evidences. And secondly, another point you made that makes really good sense to me is in the area of such users endeavoring to use their main forum account for such accusations. Until now, I am yet to figure out why any user will want to create a new account simply for the purpose of accusing a casino of scam if they really have a genuine case. And for casinos hiring some users, paying them to accuse another casino of being a scam, I am still trying to figure out how that is even possible. For about user presenting a fake evidence, well I must say that it's not possible to present a Photoshop evidence or cooked details here because always those accused site always have their representative or team technical support that handle such operation and if there are no such report in their system they would quickly come here to attest that such user is a liar, so about that aspect I don't get bother for any case. About people not using their main account instead of having newly created account, well it's very simple because they knows how important their account is and for that they would always want to use alt to lodge such complaint reason being there may be some reputable member in that casino whom they may not want them to tag their account knowing too well that having a grown up account is always difficult to have coupled with the difficulty to rank up, so to me no reason user would want to showcase their main account for such silly games. Title: Re: How high is the probability of accusations vs. casinos in BitcoinTalk are true? Post by: mak013 on June 07, 2024, 10:07:01 AM The reason for this is simple.... I think mostly is about losers. Or some gamblers, who doesn`t read the ToS and rules attentively. For such kind of gamblers they always right and someone else cheats them. Mostly it is casino, that`s why they post in such a way. After several answers the main part of them leave this board.These people are using a throwaway Alt account, because they want to try to stay anonymous. If you use a older account, people can social engineer the previous posts you made to find out a lot more about you.... "Newbie" accounts does not provide that post history. They might also be someone that are shitposting their competitors to discredit them, because trust is a big deal when it comes to casinos. There are also just some people that are trolling the forum for their own silly pleasures, so I do not take these posts very seriously. :P Also, let's not forget about the butthurt gamblers out there that lost a lot of money gambling and then trying to lash out against the casino to feed their own agenda. Title: Re: How high is the probability of accusations vs. casinos in BitcoinTalk are true? Post by: paxmao on June 07, 2024, 12:40:58 PM Currently, there's a pattern. A person makes a new account in BitcoinTalk, makes a topic/accuses a casino of scamming him/her, and because some users need to bump up their post count for their signature campaigns, the topic gets more attention than it should be during a normal situation. OK, it's understandable that users need to bump up their post count, but we should also be responsible to find the truth, and merely not believing an accusation from a person who literally made a brand new account, nor discussing it with the person like something wrong actually happened. Because actual scammers themselves will take advantage of us. I am not sure anyone would need to go to that posting accusations just to increase a post count to be honest. It is much simpler to open a thread about a topic that is actually interesting for the community - pretty much the same effort. I think that there might be some people abusing the system, but it is more about the number of people who have a similar claim that matters. Title: Re: How high is the probability of accusations vs. casinos in BitcoinTalk are true? Post by: pawanjain on June 07, 2024, 04:37:19 PM I don't think anybody would be believing a brand new or a newbie account for their accusations unless and until they have any solid evidence against the casino site.
We have already seen so many accusations with false claims which is a big reason not to trust newbie accounts. The thread might be getting a lot of responses but that is something which we cannot control much in a public forum like bitcointalk. Title: Re: How high is the probability of accusations vs. casinos in BitcoinTalk are true? Post by: holydarkness on June 07, 2024, 07:50:51 PM there are names that still popular and has active advertising here in forum but it seems that I cannot see the very famous Gambling site 1xbit/1xbet in the list? i believe they will fall into 100% unresolved and surely will be on top of the list ;D . Why 1xbit is not on the list, tranthidung actually brushed about that topic through a reply on that thread of list of mine, my explanation was, By replying in Lock the 1xBit thread (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5486235.0) I believe your topic has a list of scam accusations against 1xBit. Unfortunately, I am wrong but did you have intention to not list those scam accusations against 1xBit like because you don't want to indirectly shill their brand name on search engines? Here is a list from logfiles and it was created in 2021, not updated recently. [List] 1xbit scam accusations. Scamming gamblers since 2017 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5343377.0) It's actually more to because the list is limited to cases from 2023 and 1xbit doesn't have case since then... not in a good way, they didn't have a complaint on this forum because everybody know it's a bad casino. Another reason is because their reputation is already known [thus, an idea of how reputable 1xbit is by reading this thread no longer needed] and that their representative is no longer here, while this thread is for those who still have representative, as well as to help those representatives to know what active cases against them are still active. But that is possibly a fatal oversight from me. I will be adding 1xbit entry with a list that logfiles and you created, to cover the complaints globally, with "multiple" as the complainants, and the warning sign [like those casinos above with very poor reputation], the format will be like below. What do you think? 1xBit - 1xbit_official (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2835882) [!!!]
I guess if needed, I can break protocol by including a list of case before 2023, and put 1xbit on the list with format as above. p.s.: that three exclamation mark in red is a sign that the casino is problematic I don't know how holydarkeness collected data for that thread if you want to know, ask him but in Scam accusation board (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?board=83.0), there is a pinned thread to warn people about 1xbet platform. [WARNING] Beware of 1xBit casino, investors from Telegram, and Youtube scams! (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5350059.0) I do that by reading every single thread on the board, one by one, and every page on them, to get a better understanding what status they were at [resolved, invalid, in progress, inactive]. Some posts are read thoroughly as they contain important details, some are skimmed through as they're irrelevant. I guess it helps a lot that I oversee most of the case, thus rather familiar with them and I only need a quick refresher course to get reacquainted with the situation surrounding the case. Still took me more than a week, if I'm not mistaken, to completely compile them, though. Title: Re: How high is the probability of accusations vs. casinos in BitcoinTalk are true? Post by: Ojima-ojo on June 07, 2024, 08:40:52 PM To me what I usually say is that whenever such people create an account and come to accused a casino or gambling site I will always wants them to come up with their real account to accused them. I know there are lots of haters and competitors between casino operators which could led to some of them hiring people to accused the opposite casino to soil their reputation. Even though they came up with prove it could be an intentional acts to enable them tarnished the good image of other casinos. In this forum, I don't think members have become that gullible to trust a newbie account for accusing a casino for scam, this is not how we deal with scam accusations here and at the same it we always request for picture evidence before passing any judgement and regardless of the rank of the account that make the accusations of there is evidence or not that is what make up for our judgement.So, what comes up immediately whenever you receive such topic or text, at first you don't need to just rush and pass your judgement toward the casino against the complaint neither would you pass judgement against complaint to the casino, you must check if the said poster uses the correct scam reporting format and has some provable evidence that authenticates the claims. Title: Re: How high is the probability of accusations vs. casinos in BitcoinTalk are true? Post by: khaled0111 on June 07, 2024, 11:42:15 PM When it comes to accusation threads, we should not focus on the forum rank of the OP, it's irrelevant. What really matter and the only thing we should take into consideration is the pieces of evidence they provide.
That being said, I have to admit that most accusations raised by newbies are fake. But it's usually not that hard to figure out whether the accuser's story is fake or genuine Title: Re: How high is the probability of accusations vs. casinos in BitcoinTalk are true? Post by: dansus021 on June 08, 2024, 01:20:51 AM Yes if I look at the Scam accusations the pattern goes the way like you said earlier there is a brand new account that said that A site is a scam or B site has a withdrawal problem, but I believe those new accounts are just accounts that has a connection with other accounts here on bitcointalk, I mean he has a main account here but he doesn't wanna ruin his reputation or something like that, and he makes a brand new account so it's safe.
Other than that if the user accusations are really true some online casino had their admin account here so they know they know the problem and want to fixed as soon as possible so their site is not fall into redflag in my opinion. Title: Re: How high is the probability of accusations vs. casinos in BitcoinTalk are true? Post by: Hamphser on June 08, 2024, 08:25:46 PM Yes if I look at the Scam accusations the pattern goes the way like you said earlier there is a brand new account that said that A site is a scam or B site has a withdrawal problem, but I believe those new accounts are just accounts that has a connection with other accounts here on bitcointalk, I mean he has a main account here but he doesn't wanna ruin his reputation or something like that, and he makes a brand new account so it's safe. Other than that if the user accusations are really true some online casino had their admin account here so they know they know the problem and want to fixed as soon as possible so their site is not fall into redflag in my opinion. Old forum account user > Created new account for complaints > True/Lie New account (Competitor) > Fake Issues These are the only possible things on which i do think off on why we do see several accusations but still ending up on not to provide any solid proofs. Just like been said above that this community isnt someone that you could really make them believe directly on which if there would really be no solid proofs then it would be just ignored. Probabilities of those issues been raised to be true? There's no specific % on this one since its been not tallied. ;D Title: Re: How high is the probability of accusations vs. casinos in BitcoinTalk are true? Post by: Findingnemo on June 08, 2024, 08:40:07 PM One of the things I learned being in the forum for years is when someone accuses a casino for whatever reasons I am sure the mistake is on the user end, they forget to read the ToS and now got frustrated if their bet become voided or cancelled or they even lose their account with funds in it.
But there are also times that casinos made mistakes and tried to resolve it to maintain reputation and some casino bombarded by updating terms after the accusations just to avoid paying money. I am sure theymos himself made it clear that if user wants to post something via new account which is completely acceptable no matter what. Title: Re: How high is the probability of accusations vs. casinos in BitcoinTalk are true? Post by: AmoreJaz on June 08, 2024, 11:25:29 PM One of the things I learned being in the forum for years is when someone accuses a casino for whatever reasons I am sure the mistake is on the user end, they forget to read the ToS and now got frustrated if their bet become voided or cancelled or they even lose their account with funds in it. But there are also times that casinos made mistakes and tried to resolve it to maintain reputation and some casino bombarded by updating terms after the accusations just to avoid paying money. I am sure theymos himself made it clear that if user wants to post something via new account which is completely acceptable no matter what. Maybe not all of them, but let us say, majority of these players have some kind of violation towards the casino, hence, getting into trouble. But there are also few valid complaints. You can check the snapshots presented or evidences of the user accusing the casino. In most cases, you will already see who's fault it is. And the advantage of posting here in this forum is that if the casino or bookie has active thread, they will surely look into this accusation and yes, they will resolve it if they are indeed at fault. But if there is no thread nor a representative, don't expect that it will be resolve even if some of the members will try to help you out in the situation. Also, if it is a newbie creating such thread, just give him the benefit of the doubt. Some players are looking at how to resolve their issues and some found its way to this forum in looking for answers, hence, creating a new account. We can easily see if the user is being dishonest with his intentions by how he narrated his story and the evidences he provided. Title: Re: How high is the probability of accusations vs. casinos in BitcoinTalk are true? Post by: peter0425 on June 09, 2024, 04:15:38 AM OK, it's understandable that users need to bump up their post count, but we should also be responsible to find the truth, and merely not believing an accusation from a person who literally made a brand new account, nor discussing it with the person like something wrong actually happened. Because actual scammers themselves will take advantage of us. That’s one of the “disadvantages” if you will of a community driven platform. Misinformation is likely to happen and if you are not smart enough to catch up on this, you will fall victim to such scams.We have moderators anyway to try and monitor the discussions that are happening on their board without disallowing actual discussion to happen. Title: Re: How high is the probability of accusations vs. casinos in BitcoinTalk are true? Post by: AHOYBRAUSE on June 09, 2024, 04:22:02 AM One of the things I learned being in the forum for years is when someone accuses a casino for whatever reasons I am sure the mistake is on the user end, they forget to read the ToS and now got frustrated if their bet become voided or cancelled or they even lose their account with funds in it. But there are also times that casinos made mistakes and tried to resolve it to maintain reputation and some casino bombarded by updating terms after the accusations just to avoid paying money. I am sure theymos himself made it clear that if user wants to post something via new account which is completely acceptable no matter what. Nah, I don't think so. I have been in the situation when sites accused me of multi accounting for example and it just wasn't true. Their detection systems are not flawless, they also make mistakes. Best example is nitrobetting. I had an account with nitrogen sports in the past and when they closed/rebranded they just migrated all accounts to nitrobetting. I didn't even know about that because I stopped playing there. One day I suddenly get an email from nb that my account is blocked and I should explain my "connection to user 12345", I had a good laugh. So I didn't even know I had an account with nitrobetting, I don't have a password, never logged in once, no history, no deposits/withdrawals but they accuse me of multiaccounting, hilarious. Just shows how ridiculous sites can be when they are accusing players over the biggest nonsense. I just sent them a reply to fk off and never contact me again. ;D Title: Re: How high is the probability of accusations vs. casinos in BitcoinTalk are true? Post by: CODE200 on June 09, 2024, 07:52:43 AM The reason for this is simple.... But there's a problem with that argument, if a competitor can throw trash to tarnish the name of their competitor's casino so they can lower their sales and clients playing there and to make sure that they will go to their website, the opposite or the defense can be done to protect them too, take for example Casino A tries to bash Casino B that they require KYC or that their games there are so rigged and they don't have any bonuses through the help of an alt account that can't be traced back to them, at first glance that could be the end for Casino B but they Casino B can just always come out and challenge those claims and prove that whatever this alt account is saying, they can easily debunk it. My point here is that it doesn't matter what happens in that scenario, if the casino can debunk the negative claims that are being thrown at them, they will probably be fine. Regarding the butthurt gamblers, I guess there's no solution to them besides giving them some bonus spins that doesn't win them anything big so they shut up about it.These people are using a throwaway Alt account, because they want to try to stay anonymous. If you use a older account, people can social engineer the previous posts you made to find out a lot more about you.... "Newbie" accounts does not provide that post history. They might also be someone that are shitposting their competitors to discredit them, because trust is a big deal when it comes to casinos. There are also just some people that are trolling the forum for their own silly pleasures, so I do not take these posts very seriously. :P Also, let's not forget about the butthurt gamblers out there that lost a lot of money gambling and then trying to lash out against the casino to feed their own agenda. Title: Re: How high is the probability of accusations vs. casinos in BitcoinTalk are true? Post by: Findingnemo on June 09, 2024, 07:54:42 AM One of the things I learned being in the forum for years is when someone accuses a casino for whatever reasons I am sure the mistake is on the user end, they forget to read the ToS and now got frustrated if their bet become voided or cancelled or they even lose their account with funds in it. But there are also times that casinos made mistakes and tried to resolve it to maintain reputation and some casino bombarded by updating terms after the accusations just to avoid paying money. I am sure theymos himself made it clear that if user wants to post something via new account which is completely acceptable no matter what. Nah, I don't think so. I have been in the situation when sites accused me of multi accounting for example and it just wasn't true. Their detection systems are not flawless, they also make mistakes. Best example is nitrobetting. I had an account with nitrogen sports in the past and when they closed/rebranded they just migrated all accounts to nitrobetting. I didn't even know about that because I stopped playing there. One day I suddenly get an email from nb that my account is blocked and I should explain my "connection to user 12345", I had a good laugh. So I didn't even know I had an account with nitrobetting, I don't have a password, never logged in once, no history, no deposits/withdrawals but they accuse me of multiaccounting, hilarious. Just shows how ridiculous sites can be when they are accusing players over the biggest nonsense. I just sent them a reply to fk off and never contact me again. ;D I missed the word 'most' to be used in between. Yeah nothing is 100% perfect and I am sure there are times casinos were guilty and some tried to resolve it to keep their reputation intact and some turned away like I said to hide under noticed updated terms. In your case if you ever connected to the site via VPN and now someone is connected to the site using the same proxy that is the only logical solution to defend that their security deduction isn't messed up, well you are not playing there anymore so you avoided any loss but this kind of mistake done by many gamblers, they bypass restrictions via VPN but they lose their account sooner or later when they got into a similar situation. Title: Re: How high is the probability of accusations vs. casinos in BitcoinTalk are true? Post by: Pmalek on June 09, 2024, 08:01:11 AM First, the remark that users want to bump up their post count in such threads is based on your assumption and can never be proven to be right in any sense unless an individual tells you their mind. Wind_FURY isn't wrong in what he said. Things like that do happen. I have seen it myself. Just by reading some of the posts that users make in scam accusation threads, it becomes evident that they didn't understand the problem and are just posting something generic. It doesn't help the case move forward or shed new light on the matter. I have seen scam accusations with dozens of replies, where only a handful are helpful where people are actually trying to figure out what happened and suggest ways to solve the case.Title: Re: How high is the probability of accusations vs. casinos in BitcoinTalk are true? Post by: bitterguy28 on June 09, 2024, 08:11:02 AM I don't think anybody would be believing a brand new or a newbie account for their accusations unless and until they have any solid evidence against the casino site. well sometimes there is no need in providing more proofs depending in which casino are we calling because there are casinos that have already shown their scammy behavior that does not need any proofs at all.We have already seen so many accusations with false claims which is a big reason not to trust newbie accounts.\ not unless we are talking about good casinos that we already proven here then the accuser needs complete or strong proofs to show and let the whole forum knows what it is. Quote The thread might be getting a lot of responses but that is something which we cannot control much in a public forum like bitcointalk. yeah but at least this thread shows that the whole forum are aware of what is going on in each accusations and each casinos involvement .Title: Re: How high is the probability of accusations vs. casinos in BitcoinTalk are true? Post by: TheUltraElite on June 09, 2024, 08:30:23 AM I have seen scam accusations with dozens of replies, where only a handful are helpful where people are actually trying to figure out what happened and suggest ways to solve the case. In most cases so many replies are not required. If the problems seems easily solvable by some common methods, and those have been tried, we as ignorant by standers can only contact the casino representatives on the forum and politely ask them to review the stuff posted in the thread and help the fellow user out.Adding more replies only drowns the relevant ones in a cesspool and makes it harder for someone to read through and work it out. Title: Re: How high is the probability of accusations vs. casinos in BitcoinTalk are true? Post by: EarnOnVictor on June 09, 2024, 09:36:49 AM First, the remark that users want to bump up their post count in such threads is based on your assumption and can never be proven to be right in any sense unless an individual tells you their mind. Wind_FURY isn't wrong in what he said. Things like that do happen. I have seen it myself. Just by reading some of the posts that users make in scam accusation threads, it becomes evident that they didn't understand the problem and are just posting something generic. It doesn't help the case move forward or shed new light on the matter. I have seen scam accusations with dozens of replies, where only a handful are helpful where people are actually trying to figure out what happened and suggest ways to solve the case.My point remains that there are thousands of threads to post in to complete our weekly post, so anyone may still choose to abandon the scam accusation thread if they like because it is never mandatory. For them to reply there does not necessarily mean that they want to bump up in some cases but just write what they believe is right in their own capability. It is not everyone that can be guilty of such allegations even if they do not make so much sense there, that's my point. Title: Re: How high is the probability of accusations vs. casinos in BitcoinTalk are true? Post by: kotajikikox on June 09, 2024, 09:59:23 AM Also, let's not forget about the butthurt gamblers out there that lost a lot of money gambling and then trying to lash out against the casino to feed their own agenda. Maybe many of them are just butthurt like what you said but also there are some that have been cheated by gambling sites as we also knew that not all gambling sites operates as how we are seeing and knowing them now because there are other side of each gambling site.that I also believe that many of them will try to take players money but when they are being called then things changed and indeed they are paying the taken money from those gamblers sad but reality , while other sites pretend to be not intended to act such but deep inside its their tactics to take fund from those who have no capacity to run against their behavior . Title: Re: How high is the probability of accusations vs. casinos in BitcoinTalk are true? Post by: slaman29 on June 09, 2024, 10:57:59 AM Personally, I think the ones who are suspicious are posting a lot of lazy nonsense. No substance just accusations.
Secondly, if the ANN is active on bitcointalk, and the user is new, they probably are an alt :) The forum needs a permanent arbitrator group or something, but nobody wants to waste their time, I think 90% of accusations are false when isolated. If 2 or 3 post, it's usually a sign of a problem. About the spammers... do your job as a forum user and report and block/ignore those posters who spam. Doesn't matter if they're flooding thread of gambling or accusations. Few people actually are trying to really help. If possible even mention the campaigns they are posting for hopefully the manager sees it. Title: Re: How high is the probability of accusations vs. casinos in BitcoinTalk are true? Post by: redsun114 on June 11, 2024, 08:50:23 AM I know there are lots of haters and competitors between casino operators which could led to some of them hiring people to accused the opposite casino to soil their reputation. Even though they came up with prove it could be an intentional acts to enable them tarnished the good image of other casinos. Reputable casinos can't go that low, and they don't even need to because the community would know they are the best and they would refer any new gambler to them if they have the best services in the industry, and good and reputable platforms always have their promotional events going on that usually brings a lot of new gamblers to them and they don't need to stoop this low only to compromise the reputation of a competitor to take their customers.I know that these things usually happen in businesses where there is competition, but what we see here is mostly not related to that. It can be that the person accusing a casino has a personal issue with the casino, maybe they have lost a lot of money in it and now they want to make it look bad. Title: Re: How high is the probability of accusations vs. casinos in BitcoinTalk are true? Post by: rodskee on June 11, 2024, 10:30:58 AM I know there are lots of haters and competitors between casino operators which could led to some of them hiring people to accused the opposite casino to soil their reputation. Even though they came up with prove it could be an intentional acts to enable them tarnished the good image of other casinos. Reputable casinos can't go that low, and they don't even need to because the community would know they are the best and they would refer any new gambler to them if they have the best services in the industry, and good and reputable platforms always have their promotional events going on that usually brings a lot of new gamblers to them and they don't need to stoop this low only to compromise the reputation of a competitor to take their customers.like what you said it is not the reputable casino that will stoop that low but their supporters can do everything. Quote I know that these things usually happen in businesses where there is competition, but what we see here is mostly not related to that. It can be that the person accusing a casino has a personal issue with the casino, maybe they have lost a lot of money in it and now they want to make it look bad. exactly , it is mostly the personal issue either they have lose badly or they cannot cheat the casino so they are putting cases for blackmailing . Title: Re: How high is the probability of accusations vs. casinos in BitcoinTalk are true? Post by: ultrloa on June 11, 2024, 11:15:09 AM Personally, I think the ones who are suspicious are posting a lot of lazy nonsense. No substance just accusations. Secondly, if the ANN is active on bitcointalk, and the user is new, they probably are an alt :) Mostly they will not succeed if they show pure allegation since people are smart enough to determine what's legit accusation and which is not. For sure they are alt and no question with that since if they are legitimately affected by the casino for sure they would use their real account. The forum needs a permanent arbitrator group or something, but nobody wants to waste their time, I think 90% of accusations are false when isolated. If 2 or 3 post, it's usually a sign of a problem. About the spammers... do your job as a forum user and report and block/ignore those posters who spam. Doesn't matter if they're flooding thread of gambling or accusations. Few people actually are trying to really help. If possible even mention the campaigns they are posting for hopefully the manager sees it. I guess arbitrator group is not needed anymore since there are lots of people can debunk those accuser and point out that they are wrong or those people are just a pure troll. We cannot generalize all are there just to spam and if we see a nonsense post comes from certain people then much better to report it to moderator then its up for them to take action on the reported post. Yes calling out the manager would be one of the best solution since they are the one can determine if the post is valid for their campaign or not. Title: Re: How high is the probability of accusations vs. casinos in BitcoinTalk are true? Post by: wiss19 on June 11, 2024, 04:48:15 PM Maybe many of them are just butthurt like what you said but also there are some that have been cheated by gambling sites as we also knew that not all gambling sites operates as how we are seeing and knowing them now because there are other side of each gambling site. You are right but the odds of reputable casino platforms doing something like that are very low and we know that most casino platforms we have in this forum are at least somewhat reputable apart from the ones that are being announced newly, and if a gambler chooses a new casino and faces a situation like that, we can't blame them because the platform is new and doesn't have a high reputation in the community yet but this is also important for gamblers to make sure they are not depositing large amounts in fairly new casinos.that I also believe that many of them will try to take players money but when they are being called then things changed and indeed they are paying the taken money from those gamblers sad but reality , while other sites pretend to be not intended to act such but deep inside its their tactics to take fund from those who have no capacity to run against their behavior . Nothing can be done about those who are butthurt because they have lost their money in a casino and now want to accuse them of being scammers. Some such gamblers would even create fake proofs such as fabricated or edited chat screenshots that they claim are real and were done with the customer support team. Title: Re: How high is the probability of accusations vs. casinos in BitcoinTalk are true? Post by: Dunamisx on June 11, 2024, 06:11:12 PM We have to identify something here which talks more about the way we see some of the advertised gambling casinos on this platform, which is not a sign for endorsement of their use as being a standard one or to trust them, anyone can be involved in scam and we have to only make sure we had the very best of our researching ability on some of them before using them, scam is not moderated from this forum, but we should do our own research.
Title: Re: How high is the probability of accusations vs. casinos in BitcoinTalk are true? Post by: Hamphser on June 11, 2024, 08:35:49 PM Maybe many of them are just butthurt like what you said but also there are some that have been cheated by gambling sites as we also knew that not all gambling sites operates as how we are seeing and knowing them now because there are other side of each gambling site. You are right but the odds of reputable casino platforms doing something like that are very low and we know that most casino platforms we have in this forum are at least somewhat reputable apart from the ones that are being announced newly, and if a gambler chooses a new casino and faces a situation like that, we can't blame them because the platform is new and doesn't have a high reputation in the community yet but this is also important for gamblers to make sure they are not depositing large amounts in fairly new casinos.that I also believe that many of them will try to take players money but when they are being called then things changed and indeed they are paying the taken money from those gamblers sad but reality , while other sites pretend to be not intended to act such but deep inside its their tactics to take fund from those who have no capacity to run against their behavior . Nothing can be done about those who are butthurt because they have lost their money in a casino and now want to accuse them of being scammers. Some such gamblers would even create fake proofs such as fabricated or edited chat screenshots that they claim are real and were done with the customer support team. Probability for those issues to be real once there's some accusations? It would really be just that depending because issues been raised without any solid proofs are considered to be shit. Community would really be just simply forgetting it and wont really be that putting up that much attention. Title: Re: How high is the probability of accusations vs. casinos in BitcoinTalk are true? Post by: uchegod-21 on June 11, 2024, 11:56:07 PM Currently, there's a pattern. A person makes a new account in BitcoinTalk, makes a topic/accuses a casino of scamming him/her, and because some users need to bump up their post count for their signature campaigns, the topic gets more attention than it should be during a normal situation. I have always thought why 90% of the accusing accounts are newbies. I never found a cogent answer to my thoughts but I had to eventually conclude that, maybe the newbies already had the problem outside the forum, but at the course of finding solutions to their problems they stumbled in this forum. I don't know how true my assumption will be.OK, it's understandable that users need to bump up their post count, but we should also be responsible to find the truth, and merely not believing an accusation from a person who literally made a brand new account, nor discussing it with the person like something wrong actually happened. Because actual scammers themselves will take advantage of us. Title: Re: How high is the probability of accusations vs. casinos in BitcoinTalk are true? Post by: bitterguy28 on June 12, 2024, 02:17:47 AM Currently, there's a pattern. A person makes a new account in BitcoinTalk, makes a topic/accuses a casino of scamming him/her, and because some users need to bump up their post count for their signature campaigns, the topic gets more attention than it should be during a normal situation. I have always thought why 90% of the accusing accounts are newbies. I never found a cogent answer to my thoughts but I had to eventually conclude that, maybe the newbies already had the problem outside the forum, but at the course of finding solutions to their problems they stumbled in this forum. I don't know how true my assumption will be.OK, it's understandable that users need to bump up their post count, but we should also be responsible to find the truth, and merely not believing an accusation from a person who literally made a brand new account, nor discussing it with the person like something wrong actually happened. Because actual scammers themselves will take advantage of us. Personally, I think the ones who are suspicious are posting a lot of lazy nonsense. No substance just accusations. All of your points are something we must look at specially the calling for FORUM ARBITRATOR because bitcointalk is gathering so much issues about scamming so we should have our panel here to face these cases.Secondly, if the ANN is active on bitcointalk, and the user is new, they probably are an alt :) The forum needs a permanent arbitrator group or something, but nobody wants to waste their time, I think 90% of accusations are false when isolated. If 2 or 3 post, it's usually a sign of a problem. About the spammers... do your job as a forum user and report and block/ignore those posters who spam. Doesn't matter if they're flooding thread of gambling or accusations. Few people actually are trying to really help. If possible even mention the campaigns they are posting for hopefully the manager sees it. Title: Re: How high is the probability of accusations vs. casinos in BitcoinTalk are true? Post by: adaseb on June 12, 2024, 05:13:48 AM Yes I noticed this also, it’s been happening for years and it’s almost always a new account and that’s why it’s hard to take them seriously.
Some people do make emotional decisions while gambling and go on tilt and end up losing it all. Then they try and say they were scammed in hopes they get a refund. They figure the casino doesn’t want bad publicity and they might get their money back. But it rarely works out that way. Title: Re: How high is the probability of accusations vs. casinos in BitcoinTalk are true? Post by: Haunebu on June 12, 2024, 06:16:41 AM All of your points are something we must look at specially the calling for FORUM ARBITRATOR because bitcointalk is gathering so much issues about scamming so we should have our panel here to face these cases. This doesn't make any sort of sense whatsoever. I have no idea why you guys are suggesting forum arbitrators when there are forum mods already available and the fact that this is a free forum.Stuff like this was suggested before too and shot down for the reasons that I stated. None of this will ever change in my opinion. Title: Re: How high is the probability of accusations vs. casinos in BitcoinTalk are true? Post by: Fivestar4everMVP on June 12, 2024, 06:57:53 AM Yes I noticed this also, it’s been happening for years and it’s almost always a new account and that’s why it’s hard to take them seriously. You are right and I absolutely agree with you, but then, I don't there is anything wrong with creating a scam accusation against a casino with the newbie ranked account, because aside the fact that some of this users who try to ransom the casino with their accusation after legitimately losing their money, there are still other users who probably would have been genuinely scammed, who were not a member of this forum in time past, but only got to discover this forum while they were searching for where to complain about the issue they are having supposed casino.Some people do make emotional decisions while gambling and go on tilt and end up losing it all. Then they try and say they were scammed in hopes they get a refund. They figure the casino doesn’t want bad publicity and they might get their money back. But it rarely works out that way. So in essence, we can't just turn a blind eye to a scam accusation simply because the accusation is coming from a newbie account, it's absolutely wrong to do such. The right thing to do is that we give attention to the claim proofs or evidences provided by the complainant, from that, I believe we can easily tell which accusation is genuine and which is not. Title: Re: How high is the probability of accusations vs. casinos in BitcoinTalk are true? Post by: slaman29 on June 12, 2024, 12:53:10 PM <> All of your points are something we must look at specially the calling for FORUM ARBITRATOR because bitcointalk is gathering so much issues about scamming so we should have our panel here to face these cases.The forum needs a permanent arbitrator group or something, but nobody wants to waste their time, I think 90% of accusations are false when isolated. If 2 or 3 post, it's usually a sign of a problem. <> Like I said though, nobody wants to waste their time unless a group of trusted gamblers get together, like a panel we can choose from, and set a standard fee that should be covered in advance by parties of the arbitration. Nobody should do it for free. This solves issue of nonsense scam accusations because if you do not want arbitrator, then you have something to hide. And then we can move accusers to that panel, if they do not, their thread is reported, we help clean the forum up. Title: Re: How high is the probability of accusations vs. casinos in BitcoinTalk are true? Post by: freedomgo on June 12, 2024, 12:57:39 PM All of your points are something we must look at specially the calling for FORUM ARBITRATOR because bitcointalk is gathering so much issues about scamming so we should have our panel here to face these cases. This doesn't make any sort of sense whatsoever. I have no idea why you guys are suggesting forum arbitrators when there are forum mods already available and the fact that this is a free forum.Stuff like this was suggested before too and shot down for the reasons that I stated. None of this will ever change in my opinion. This doesn't exist by name, but I think we really have them in the forum, and they are the DT members. DT members are trusted individuals expected to make sound decisions to protect the forum and its users. As long as there is enough evidence presented by the accuser, the DT members will support it and paint a red tag to the accused casino's BTT profile. This system is quite effective because people in the forum are aware that once a casino has a red tag, it is a casino to stay away from. Title: Re: How high is the probability of accusations vs. casinos in BitcoinTalk are true? Post by: EarnOnVictor on June 13, 2024, 05:45:33 AM All of your points are something we must look at specially the calling for FORUM ARBITRATOR because bitcointalk is gathering so much issues about scamming so we should have our panel here to face these cases. This doesn't make any sort of sense whatsoever. I have no idea why you guys are suggesting forum arbitrators when there are forum mods already available and the fact that this is a free forum.Stuff like this was suggested before too and shot down for the reasons that I stated. None of this will ever change in my opinion. This doesn't exist by name, but I think we really have them in the forum, and they are the DT members. DT members are trusted individuals expected to make sound decisions to protect the forum and its users. As long as there is enough evidence presented by the accuser, the DT members will support it and paint a red tag to the accused casino's BTT profile. This system is quite effective because people in the forum are aware that once a casino has a red tag, it is a casino to stay away from. @freedomgo, it's true that we have them and this forum came prepared if I must say but trusting the decision of many of them after all I have witnessed on the forum? I don't think so. The moderators are doing great but may include the reason why they take some actions to make it fair and the mistake avoidable next time. But for the DTs, I think some of them are power drunk, oh yes, I mean it and I don't think it's uncommon they use the power as an instrument to deal with another. Is that what we call fairness? This is the only reason why I think an independent judge or whatever they will call it may be needed. Title: Re: How high is the probability of accusations vs. casinos in BitcoinTalk are true? Post by: rodskee on June 13, 2024, 09:39:02 AM Yes I noticed this also, it’s been happening for years and it’s almost always a new account and that’s why it’s hard to take them seriously. Though there might some others that may say true yet since they are newbie its really hard to listen and believe in their accusation knowing that they are not presenting valid arguments and proofs so how can we give them good reason to believe . Quote Some people do make emotional decisions while gambling and go on tilt and end up losing it all. Then they try and say they were scammed in hopes they get a refund. They figure the casino doesn’t want bad publicity and they might get their money back. But it rarely works out that way. that is the normal scenarios here , those losers cannot accept their defeat and instead of looking for another way to win? they chose to put accusations and stupid arguments that only ended them being tagged and gone. Title: Re: How high is the probability of accusations vs. casinos in BitcoinTalk are true? Post by: cicadasTR on June 13, 2024, 09:43:55 AM High. Which is why it's naive for strangers to make excuses for gambling companies.
Title: Re: How high is the probability of accusations vs. casinos in BitcoinTalk are true? Post by: Synchronice on June 13, 2024, 11:08:20 AM Currently, there's a pattern. A person makes a new account in BitcoinTalk, makes a topic/accuses a casino of scamming him/her, and because some users need to bump up their post count for their signature campaigns, the topic gets more attention than it should be during a normal situation. Every scam accusation topic deserves a significant attention because if someone recently became a victim, there is a chance that others will become soon. If the fact that many people bump scam accusation topic for the sake of signature campaign, I would say that that's a positive side effect, this will also motivate businesses to quickly solve the problem and will push their customer supports to offer fast service.OK, it's understandable that users need to bump up their post count, but we should also be responsible to find the truth, and merely not believing an accusation from a person who literally made a brand new account, nor discussing it with the person like something wrong actually happened. Because actual scammers themselves will take advantage of us. Yes I noticed this also, it’s been happening for years and it’s almost always a new account and that’s why it’s hard to take them seriously. It's always a new account because they register on Bitcointalk when they have a problem with casino. In fact, they aren't the members of this forum, they only register to solve their problem with the help of DT members.Title: Re: How high is the probability of accusations vs. casinos in BitcoinTalk are true? Post by: Mr. Magkaisa on June 13, 2024, 11:20:48 AM Currently, there's a pattern. A person makes a new account in BitcoinTalk, makes a topic/accuses a casino of scamming him/her, and because some users need to bump up their post count for their signature campaigns, the topic gets more attention than it should be during a normal situation. OK, it's understandable that users need to bump up their post count, but we should also be responsible to find the truth, and merely not believing an accusation from a person who literally made a brand new account, nor discussing it with the person like something wrong actually happened. Because actual scammers themselves will take advantage of us. - Because those are just two things, whether what a complainant accuses is true or not. Of course, if you are the one making the accusation, you must prove that what you are accusing in a casino is true. And the evidence that you will show should not be one; that's why there is a proper section for these things. The accuser will not be able to say that the accused must prove what he is alleging here. That's why what usually happens to the complainants here in a casino who make a post topic in the forum is that they can't stand or prove their accusations because their evidence is lacking. Title: Re: How high is the probability of accusations vs. casinos in BitcoinTalk are true? Post by: Hamphser on June 13, 2024, 07:17:43 PM Currently, there's a pattern. A person makes a new account in BitcoinTalk, makes a topic/accuses a casino of scamming him/her, and because some users need to bump up their post count for their signature campaigns, the topic gets more attention than it should be during a normal situation. OK, it's understandable that users need to bump up their post count, but we should also be responsible to find the truth, and merely not believing an accusation from a person who literally made a brand new account, nor discussing it with the person like something wrong actually happened. Because actual scammers themselves will take advantage of us. - Because those are just two things, whether what a complainant accuses is true or not. Of course, if you are the one making the accusation, you must prove that what you are accusing in a casino is true. And the evidence that you will show should not be one; that's why there is a proper section for these things. The accuser will not be able to say that the accused must prove what he is alleging here. That's why what usually happens to the complainants here in a casino who make a post topic in the forum is that they can't stand or prove their accusations because their evidence is lacking. On the moment that we are seeing accusations specially into this forum or in other places on which its not something that would be easily to believe on not until on the moment that they will be showing proofs on which it would really be just that a normal approach. Yes, it might be false accusations for some point but it would be still giving out that kind of impact when it comes to overall reputation of a certain platform on which this is something that could give out some negative effect even if its not a proven one. This community isnt something that could believe whenever there are accusations been thrown out. Title: Re: How high is the probability of accusations vs. casinos in BitcoinTalk are true? Post by: Kavelj22 on June 13, 2024, 10:02:34 PM Currently, there's a pattern. A person makes a new account in BitcoinTalk, makes a topic/accuses a casino of scamming him/her, and because some users need to bump up their post count for their signature campaigns, the topic gets more attention than it should be during a normal situation. OK, it's understandable that users need to bump up their post count, but we should also be responsible to find the truth, and merely not believing an accusation from a person who literally made a brand new account, nor discussing it with the person like something wrong actually happened. Because actual scammers themselves will take advantage of us. This is how things usually work because the accusations board is dedicated to that type of topic and it is easy for anyone to use it once they create a free account on the forum. On the one hand, we cannot judge the intentions of anyone who publishes a topic containing allegations related to a casino, whether they are realistic or just allegations. There are actually those who take advantage of the abundance of activity on the forum to spread false allegations with the intention of distorting the reputation of one of the casinos, and this can only be stopped by proving the falsity of those charges, which are always the responsibility of the casino subject of accusation, and for this reason it is recommended that any existing crypto casino should have an official representation here on the forum to answer all allegations. On the other hand, the interaction of members is important to ask questions to op and verify the validity of the claims within the limits of what the intuitive logic of things allows. Most of the posts in this section are constructive, and many times the claim is proven false because it lacks some of the basics of a valid claim. Title: Re: How high is the probability of accusations vs. casinos in BitcoinTalk are true? Post by: freedomgo on June 13, 2024, 11:00:05 PM @freedomgo, it's true that we have them and this forum came prepared if I must say but trusting the decision of many of them after all I have witnessed on the forum? I don't think so. The moderators are doing great but may include the reason why they take some actions to make it fair and the mistake avoidable next time. But for the DTs, I think some of them are power drunk, oh yes, I mean it and I don't think it's uncommon they use the power as an instrument to deal with another. Is that what we call fairness? This is the only reason why I think an independent judge or whatever they will call it may be needed. At the moment, there's no group of people who can judge except the DT members. Forum moderators have a different job; they don't interfere with the trust system or feedback. Their main job is to moderate the forum based on the posts, determining if a user is a spammer, deleting posts, and banning users if they violate forum rules. DT members, as I've mentioned, can leave negative feedback on a user's profile. While we cannot deny that some DT members might abuse their power, they usually don't last long in that position since those who trusted them might eventually distrust them. It's important to first understand how the trust system works to see the big picture and recognize how useful it is. Title: Re: How high is the probability of accusations vs. casinos in BitcoinTalk are true? Post by: boyptc on June 13, 2024, 11:17:18 PM Yes I noticed this also, it’s been happening for years and it’s almost always a new account and that’s why it’s hard to take them seriously. It's always a new account because they register on Bitcointalk when they have a problem with casino. In fact, they aren't the members of this forum, they only register to solve their problem with the help of DT members.They are writing a long story on how they have been scammed or they've been not allowed to withdraw. While I've seen successful disputes but it's that most of them were losers that can't accept it. They're coming to that point because they think that it's going to give them a refund with their losses. Title: Re: How high is the probability of accusations vs. casinos in BitcoinTalk are true? Post by: paxmao on June 14, 2024, 03:23:58 AM Yes I noticed this also, it’s been happening for years and it’s almost always a new account and that’s why it’s hard to take them seriously. It's always a new account because they register on Bitcointalk when they have a problem with casino. In fact, they aren't the members of this forum, they only register to solve their problem with the help of DT members.They are writing a long story on how they have been scammed or they've been not allowed to withdraw. While I've seen successful disputes but it's that most of them were losers that can't accept it. They're coming to that point because they think that it's going to give them a refund with their losses. Newbie or Jr Member accounts are always to be taken with a pinch of salt we can reckon. You can see out there users who are newbie but obviously have a good degree of understanding of the forum and make comments that are relevant and reveal knowledge. These are usually secondary accounts, but other are simply open for accusation as you say and will not carry much credibility. Title: Re: How high is the probability of accusations vs. casinos in BitcoinTalk are true? Post by: Russlenat on June 14, 2024, 06:42:02 AM They're coming to that point because they think that it's going to give them a refund with their losses. They could expect compensation, but that will not be granted by the casinos. These losers can create or destroy the name of the casino, but without proper evidence, they won't get the attention of the community in the forum to support them. Newbies are mostly throwaway accounts. Once they've served their purpose, they'll be discarded, as new ones can easily be created for their schemes. That's why, as responsible users, we should be aware of these newbies. They not only can be victims, but they could also victimize others by ruining the reputation of a casino if we easily get convinced by their stories. Title: Re: How high is the probability of accusations vs. casinos in BitcoinTalk are true? Post by: cicadasTR on June 14, 2024, 09:55:23 AM Yes I noticed this also, it’s been happening for years and it’s almost always a new account and that’s why it’s hard to take them seriously. It's always a new account because they register on Bitcointalk when they have a problem with casino. In fact, they aren't the members of this forum, they only register to solve their problem with the help of DT members.They are writing a long story on how they have been scammed or they've been not allowed to withdraw. While I've seen successful disputes but it's that most of them were losers that can't accept it. They're coming to that point because they think that it's going to give them a refund with their losses. Newbie or Jr Member accounts are always to be taken with a pinch of salt we can reckon. You can see out there users who are newbie but obviously have a good degree of understanding of the forum and make comments that are relevant and reveal knowledge. These are usually secondary accounts, but other are simply open for accusation as you say and will not carry much credibility. I made two complaints as a new account, both resolved in my favour. Making 2000 posts vs 10 means the former has way too much time on their hands, not credibility. Title: Re: How high is the probability of accusations vs. casinos in BitcoinTalk are true? Post by: Reid on June 14, 2024, 10:00:54 AM I usually ignore this type of accusations especially from new users here in forum. I don't want to read it because if you are brave enough you should be using your main account to face the problem. Not doing it on another account which will probably have less believers in it.
I've seen some who would come forward and tell their experience and it can easily be noticed and supported thanks to the courage he shown. It's true, we must not just believe any accusations that comes out because there are times they are just angry from the losses they experienced. Title: Re: How high is the probability of accusations vs. casinos in BitcoinTalk are true? Post by: danherbias07 on June 14, 2024, 11:12:08 AM Very low.
There are ways to do this properly and that is directly telling it to their gambling threads which most of the gambling sites here created for that purpose and updates. Yes, we should not easily believe those accusations as there's a possibility that it's just an attack on the gambling site especially now with the growing competition. I do find myself sometimes reading the replies of other members because I am seeking another experience as the post opener did. Sadly, most of the time none have the same experience and the poster is the one being blamed for his mistake. Title: Re: How high is the probability of accusations vs. casinos in BitcoinTalk are true? Post by: freedomgo on June 14, 2024, 01:07:43 PM Very low. Most of the posts are just attempts to destroy the reputation of the casino, which is why they choose to post in the gambling section where gamblers are more likely to see it. If they were serious about their intentions, they should have posted in the "scam accusation" board. However, since all they have are narratives that can't be backed by evidence, they cannot proceed and instead choose the popular board to mislead gamblers.There are ways to do this properly and that is directly telling it to their gambling threads which most of the gambling sites here created for that purpose and updates. Yes, we should not easily believe those accusations as there's a possibility that it's just an attack on the gambling site especially now with the growing competition. I do find myself sometimes reading the replies of other members because I am seeking another experience as the post opener did. Sadly, most of the time none have the same experience and the poster is the one being blamed for his mistake. Title: Re: How high is the probability of accusations vs. casinos in BitcoinTalk are true? Post by: kotajikikox on June 14, 2024, 02:24:18 PM Very low. Most of the posts are just attempts to destroy the reputation of the casino, which is why they choose to post in the gambling section where gamblers are more likely to see it. If they were serious about their intentions, they should have posted in the "scam accusation" board. However, since all they have are narratives that can't be backed by evidence, they cannot proceed and instead choose the popular board to mislead gamblers.There are ways to do this properly and that is directly telling it to their gambling threads which most of the gambling sites here created for that purpose and updates. Yes, we should not easily believe those accusations as there's a possibility that it's just an attack on the gambling site especially now with the growing competition. I do find myself sometimes reading the replies of other members because I am seeking another experience as the post opener did. Sadly, most of the time none have the same experience and the poster is the one being blamed for his mistake. Title: Re: How high is the probability of accusations vs. casinos in BitcoinTalk are true? Post by: Mrbluntzy on June 14, 2024, 03:49:00 PM It is possible that most of those accusations against those casinos is true, even if all is not true, majority of it is true. Some non reputable casinos might have indeed scammed those guys that create the scam accusation topics while some of those accusations are also a false accusations which was the fault of the gambler and not the casino mentioned. If any reputable casino on this community is falsely accused, they will definitely respond to clear their name or their representative will likely respond. Do you visit frequently on scam accusation board? Most of the scam accusation there is against reputable casino which ended up as garbage thread after failure of providing evidence. Most of the accusations in the forum against casino is hoax since those users is just using the forum to take shield on hiding their ToS violation on the casino. Playing victim is very popular on that board that makes it very hard to support or follow new complaints especially if its involved sudden account freeze since this case usually incorporates violation of ToS once the casino reps clear their name by providing evidence. You are right @Eternad, I don't make comments on the reputation board often but I regularly visit the thread and see some baseless accusations that some newbies make against even reputable casino without providing evidence. I completely agree with what you said that's why on my first comment, I didn't say that every single accusation made is true. I believe that some are true too. Title: Re: How high is the probability of accusations vs. casinos in BitcoinTalk are true? Post by: boyptc on June 14, 2024, 09:45:02 PM And they fall down to the forum probably because of their desperation. But not all of these newbies have a legit concern. They are writing a long story on how they have been scammed or they've been not allowed to withdraw. While I've seen successful disputes but it's that most of them were losers that can't accept it. They're coming to that point because they think that it's going to give them a refund with their losses. Newbie or Jr Member accounts are always to be taken with a pinch of salt we can reckon. You can see out there users who are newbie but obviously have a good degree of understanding of the forum and make comments that are relevant and reveal knowledge. These are usually secondary accounts, but other are simply open for accusation as you say and will not carry much credibility. They're coming to that point because they think that it's going to give them a refund with their losses. They could expect compensation, but that will not be granted by the casinos. These losers can create or destroy the name of the casino, but without proper evidence, they won't get the attention of the community in the forum to support them. Newbies are mostly throwaway accounts. Once they've served their purpose, they'll be discarded, as new ones can easily be created for their schemes. That's why, as responsible users, we should be aware of these newbies. They not only can be victims, but they could also victimize others by ruining the reputation of a casino if we easily get convinced by their stories. And you guys are right with those throwaway accounts, they'd just dispose them and forget them once they are done. Title: Re: How high is the probability of accusations vs. casinos in BitcoinTalk are true? Post by: khaled0111 on June 14, 2024, 10:41:49 PM I usually ignore this type of accusations especially from new users here in forum. I don't want to read it because if you are brave enough you should be using your main account to face the problem. Not doing it on another account which will probably have less believers in it. Bravery has nothing to do with this. If someone chooses to use a new account to post an accusation thread then it's most likely for privacy concerns. Besides, there is nothing wrong with that, even theymos encourages users to use alt accounts in similar cases.And, honestly, I don't understand why do you, guys, think that old accounts have more credibility than new ones! We should only look at the evidence regardless of who posted it. Title: Re: How high is the probability of accusations vs. casinos in BitcoinTalk are true? Post by: EarnOnVictor on June 16, 2024, 07:32:59 AM @freedomgo, it's true that we have them and this forum came prepared if I must say but trusting the decision of many of them after all I have witnessed on the forum? I don't think so. The moderators are doing great but may include the reason why they take some actions to make it fair and the mistake avoidable next time. But for the DTs, I think some of them are power drunk, oh yes, I mean it and I don't think it's uncommon they use the power as an instrument to deal with another. Is that what we call fairness? This is the only reason why I think an independent judge or whatever they will call it may be needed. At the moment, there's no group of people who can judge except the DT members. Forum moderators have a different job; they don't interfere with the trust system or feedback. Their main job is to moderate the forum based on the posts, determining if a user is a spammer, deleting posts, and banning users if they violate forum rules. DT members, as I've mentioned, can leave negative feedback on a user's profile. While we cannot deny that some DT members might abuse their power, they usually don't last long in that position since those who trusted them might eventually distrust them. It's important to first understand how the trust system works to see the big picture and recognize how useful it is. I am sure that two heads are better than one, so if one DT makes a mistake or thinks he can misuse the power, the new role will undo it. However, if persistent wrong decisions are being made by the same DT, such would be relieved of his DT power. As for the DT losing their power for an abuse, well, it depends on what you term the abuse because the sentiment towards the abuse, the particular DT, how the person who was mistreated takes it and many more are factors here. Some users are just voiceless and you will not even know such a thing happened, while a few who saw it may turn a blind eye because they are less concerned or may not want to offend the concerned DT. That's the way I see it. Title: Re: How high is the probability of accusations vs. casinos in BitcoinTalk are true? Post by: bitterguy28 on June 16, 2024, 08:54:15 AM They're coming to that point because they think that it's going to give them a refund with their losses. They could expect compensation, but that will not be granted by the casinos. These losers can create or destroy the name of the casino, but without proper evidence, they won't get the attention of the community in the forum to support them. some of them present something but after evaluation and after casino answering their accusation, they will end up nothing but gone. Quote Newbies are mostly throwaway accounts. Once they've served their purpose, they'll be discarded, as new ones can easily be created for their schemes. That's why, as responsible users, we should be aware of these newbies. They not only can be victims, but they could also victimize others by ruining the reputation of a casino if we easily get convinced by their stories. indeed, digging this whole gambling section and scam accusations , we will find tons of newbies account that being discarded and never going online again after their thread creation .Title: Re: How high is the probability of accusations vs. casinos in BitcoinTalk are true? Post by: Saint-loup on June 16, 2024, 02:54:28 PM People are often ashame to get scam, so they won't use their real account for that. So you should take that into account instead of thinking and implicitly saying they are scammers or some kind of scammers. Because I don't really understand how they would make money by simply hurting casino reputations. You really think some competitors could do that in order to try to get more customers? Crypocurrencies and offshore locations allow to easily scam people because customers have no actual recourses against those companies, you shouldn't forget that IMO.
Title: Re: How high is the probability of accusations vs. casinos in BitcoinTalk are true? Post by: AHOYBRAUSE on June 16, 2024, 03:10:37 PM People are often ashame to get scam, so they won't use their real account for that True, I often have that impression as well. Many people know too well how this forum works when they are making their first post and it happens to be right in the scam accusation section. I also often wonder why they would find this forum of all places, it makes more sense to use trustpilot, askgamblers and other sites to air out their frustration. So the simplest conclusion is they already know this forum because they are already a member, just don't want to out themselves as a gambler maybe. Title: Re: How high is the probability of accusations vs. casinos in BitcoinTalk are true? Post by: piebeyb on June 16, 2024, 03:53:08 PM Actually, I don't really care about the cases accused by newbie accounts in this forum because they could be business competitors who want to bring down other businesses that are active in this forum, so for me it's not strange to see business competition using dirty methods like that, paying people to bring down sites that really have a good reputation in this forum and try to bring them down, I don't want to mention the sites but we find a lot of them here, they come using newbie accounts and accuse sites that are already trusted in this forum.
But back to each other's views, sometimes there are also those who are truly honest who experienced the cases they wrote about because they just discovered this forum so they use a new account to accuse the site in this forum because maybe the site is more active here, but the assessment still comes back to their views. each user because accusations without evidence cannot be fully trusted, they must provide complete evidence so that everyone can accept and support the accusation and fully believe it. Title: Re: How high is the probability of accusations vs. casinos in BitcoinTalk are true? Post by: iv4n on June 16, 2024, 04:03:45 PM People are often ashame to get scam, so they won't use their real account for that I don't see why anyone should be ashamed if they are cheated by a casino in any way, after all, it is the casino that should be ashamed if they cheat their players in any way. In the end, it is the evidence itself that counts. But I think the use of a real account should contribute to the weight of the accusation, most people believe more easily someone who has been a member of the forum for a long time, especially if he is active and has a good trust rating. Title: Re: How high is the probability of accusations vs. casinos in BitcoinTalk are true? Post by: wxa7115 on June 17, 2024, 06:30:23 AM People are often ashame to get scam, so they won't use their real account for that I don't see why anyone should be ashamed if they are cheated by a casino in any way, after all, it is the casino that should be ashamed if they cheat their players in any way. In the end, it is the evidence itself that counts. But I think the use of a real account should contribute to the weight of the accusation, most people believe more easily someone who has been a member of the forum for a long time, especially if he is active and has a good trust rating. And for what I have seen, it does not seem as if forum members get ashamed of getting scammed, and instead they prefer to use their regular account instead of creating a new one, as they know that in this way other forum members will take their warning more seriously and they can protect others from being scammed. Title: Re: How high is the probability of accusations vs. casinos in BitcoinTalk are true? Post by: delfastTions on June 18, 2024, 06:30:55 AM People are often ashame to get scam, so they won't use their real account for that I don't see why anyone should be ashamed if they are cheated by a casino in any way, after all, it is the casino that should be ashamed if they cheat their players in any way. In the end, it is the evidence itself that counts. But I think the use of a real account should contribute to the weight of the accusation, most people believe more easily someone who has been a member of the forum for a long time, especially if he is active and has a good trust rating. And for what I have seen, it does not seem as if forum members get ashamed of getting scammed, and instead they prefer to use their regular account instead of creating a new one, as they know that in this way other forum members will take their warning more seriously and they can protect others from being scammed. And indeed, many do not hide this and write corresponding posts on the forum or on social networks. Title: Re: How high is the probability of accusations vs. casinos in BitcoinTalk are true? Post by: TheUltraElite on June 18, 2024, 03:02:32 PM The forum needs a permanent arbitrator group or something, but nobody wants to waste their time, I think 90% of accusations are false when isolated. If 2 or 3 post, it's usually a sign of a problem. I think the DT members act as a good enough judge as to whether the casino needs a flagging or tagging. This is as much as the forum mechanics allow us to do and I feel the job is being done well by them.There is also the thread by @holydarkness where you can see the currently running cases on different casinos out there and what their current status is, of course after being investigated if they are valid or not. [list ] Scam Accusation Cases Against Betting Platform on The Forum (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5481683) Most of the valid ones get solved eventually, which if why I dont see a problem. But yes there loads of invalid ones and they get ignored.[/list] Title: Re: How high is the probability of accusations vs. casinos in BitcoinTalk are true? Post by: Hamphser on June 18, 2024, 08:38:13 PM The forum needs a permanent arbitrator group or something, but nobody wants to waste their time, I think 90% of accusations are false when isolated. If 2 or 3 post, it's usually a sign of a problem. I think the DT members act as a good enough judge as to whether the casino needs a flagging or tagging. This is as much as the forum mechanics allow us to do and I feel the job is being done well by them.There is also the thread by @holydarkness where you can see the currently running cases on different casinos out there and what their current status is, of course after being investigated if they are valid or not. [list ] Scam Accusation Cases Against Betting Platform on The Forum (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5481683) Most of the valid ones get solved eventually, which if why I dont see a problem. But yes there loads of invalid ones and they get ignored.[/list] before they would really be painting up red. We do know on how serious for it to have some negative trust specially on a gambling business. On the moment that they would be tagged out then it would really be neither those companies or platforms be that having a tainted reputation and this isnt something good. So if ever there would really be some issues and been that evaluated well not only by the DT of this forum but also with the help with some community members then it would really be able to find out whether it would really be a legit accusation or just simply trolling. Title: Re: How high is the probability of accusations vs. casinos in BitcoinTalk are true? Post by: Agbe on June 18, 2024, 10:45:31 PM I don't believed that someone would just create account and accused a casino of scamming with participating in the casino. And only thing I will consider for casino side, the person might not give the accurate information about the scam but there would be no automatic false in the accusation. The person might missed some vital information in the accusation and that does not make it invalid. The casinos have to do the right thing. And those who create those scam accusation threads need solutions for their problems and those who can contribute to those threads to either advise or counseling. There is no big deal, those commenters are not part of the game so they can't do anything except to tell the representative to inform the casino Abu the accusation to solve it. In my beliefs before someone creates an accusation thread, they most have gotten some disagreement with the casino.
Title: Re: How high is the probability of accusations vs. casinos in BitcoinTalk are true? Post by: AmoreJaz on June 18, 2024, 11:39:24 PM I don't believed that someone would just create account and accused a casino of scamming with participating in the casino. And only thing I will consider for casino side, the person might not give the accurate information about the scam but there would be no automatic false in the accusation. The person might missed some vital information in the accusation and that does not make it invalid. The casinos have to do the right thing. And those who create those scam accusation threads need solutions for their problems and those who can contribute to those threads to either advise or counseling. There is no big deal, those commenters are not part of the game so they can't do anything except to tell the representative to inform the casino Abu the accusation to solve it. In my beliefs before someone creates an accusation thread, they most have gotten some disagreement with the casino. This is the very reason why whenever there is scam accusation, better understand what's going on and gauge where the user is coming from as you can already see if he is telling the truth or just throwing baseless accusation to the site. We can understand that some of these users are desperate to get out their funds from the casino, but they need to know if what they are accusing to the site is indeed valid. Because the casino has their ToS, and most of them failed to at least even browse those conditions, and so they are prone to violating such terms. Title: Re: How high is the probability of accusations vs. casinos in BitcoinTalk are true? Post by: AHOYBRAUSE on June 19, 2024, 04:22:06 AM I don't believed that someone would just create account and accused a casino of scamming with participating in the casino. And only thing I will consider for casino side, the person might not give the accurate information about the scam but there would be no automatic false in the accusation. The person might missed some vital information in the accusation and that does not make it invalid. The casinos have to do the right thing. And those who create those scam accusation threads need solutions for their problems and those who can contribute to those threads to either advise or counseling. There is no big deal, those commenters are not part of the game so they can't do anything except to tell the representative to inform the casino Abu the accusation to solve it. In my beliefs before someone creates an accusation thread, they most have gotten some disagreement with the casino. Of course, why else going through the trouble. I mean, sure there some individuals that use our forum to blackmail casinos because they know these sites are advertising here and want to maintain a certain reputation in the forum. These scammer users though have experience here and often multiple accounts, not only here but at the casino as well, that's why they got blocked in the first place mostly. Title: Re: How high is the probability of accusations vs. casinos in BitcoinTalk are true? Post by: Oilacris on June 19, 2024, 04:28:06 AM I don't believed that someone would just create account and accused a casino of scamming with participating in the casino. And only thing I will consider for casino side, the person might not give the accurate information about the scam but there would be no automatic false in the accusation. The person might missed some vital information in the accusation and that does not make it invalid. The casinos have to do the right thing. And those who create those scam accusation threads need solutions for their problems and those who can contribute to those threads to either advise or counseling. There is no big deal, those commenters are not part of the game so they can't do anything except to tell the representative to inform the casino Abu the accusation to solve it. In my beliefs before someone creates an accusation thread, they most have gotten some disagreement with the casino. This is the very reason why whenever there is scam accusation, better understand what's going on and gauge where the user is coming from as you can already see if he is telling the truth or just throwing baseless accusation to the site. We can understand that some of these users are desperate to get out their funds from the casino, but they need to know if what they are accusing to the site is indeed valid. Because the casino has their ToS, and most of them failed to at least even browse those conditions, and so they are prone to violating such terms. 1. Site/Platform name 2. Issues raised 3. SOLID PROOF! If that #3 wont really be able to provide on the moment that they would be raising up those issues and cant be able to provide any evidences then just like the rest been saying that it would really be just that ending up on being trolling and something that will really be just that ignored. Just like the rest been saying above that it would really be that highly devastative if they would really be just letting those issues to be left hanging or unresolved if its really that a real issue and not a fake one. We've seen how many sites that ending up on having that kind of condition but immediate resolved or have found out some solution because they dont like for their reputation to be broken. Title: Re: How high is the probability of accusations vs. casinos in BitcoinTalk are true? Post by: bitterguy28 on June 19, 2024, 05:19:57 AM People are often ashame to get scam, so they won't use their real account for that I don't see why anyone should be ashamed if they are cheated by a casino in any way, after all, it is the casino that should be ashamed if they cheat their players in any way. Not sure if there are even one here that being ashamed when they are being victim? because imagine losing big money and your claim will be denied because you are ashamed ? lol all of us will do everything to claim our funds ,what I do believe is that they are using new account so they will not be attacked by the casino after putting their accusation here. Quote In the end, it is the evidence itself that counts. But I think the use of a real account should contribute to the weight of the accusation, most people believe more easily someone who has been a member of the forum for a long time, especially if he is active and has a good trust rating. exactly , Why need to use new account and be afraid of something if you really did not do anything wrong? sorry but that made me thinking of something.Title: Re: How high is the probability of accusations vs. casinos in BitcoinTalk are true? Post by: slaman29 on June 19, 2024, 10:05:11 AM The forum needs a permanent arbitrator group or something, but nobody wants to waste their time, I think 90% of accusations are false when isolated. If 2 or 3 post, it's usually a sign of a problem. I think the DT members act as a good enough judge as to whether the casino needs a flagging or tagging. This is as much as the forum mechanics allow us to do and I feel the job is being done well by them.<> Most of the valid ones get solved eventually, which if why I dont see a problem. But yes there loads of invalid ones and they get ignored.[/list] before they would really be painting up red. We do know on how serious for it to have some negative trust specially on a gambling business. On the moment that they would be tagged out then it would really be neither those companies or platforms be that having a tainted reputation and this isnt something good. So if ever there would really be some issues and been that evaluated well not only by the DT of this forum but also with the help with some community members then it would really be able to find out whether it would really be a legit accusation or just simply trolling. The forum needs a permanent arbitrator group or something, but nobody wants to waste their time, I think 90% of accusations are false when isolated. If 2 or 3 post, it's usually a sign of a problem. I think the DT members act as a good enough judge as to whether the casino needs a flagging or tagging. This is as much as the forum mechanics allow us to do and I feel the job is being done well by them.<> Most of the valid ones get solved eventually, which if why I dont see a problem. But yes there loads of invalid ones and they get ignored.[/list] The reason I said it is for a specific case, that allows both casino and player to reach out to a group and if both agree to the terms, then they make a connection with this group. Not one person but a group. You can even see the problem with DT is some old tags/flags never get updated. Providing wrong impression actually. Sort of like AskGamblers but specific for crypto and forum, which brings final solution for cases. This is not really the same as flagging and tagging, that doesn't solve a particular case :) As can be seen from Freebitco.in mess. Getting solved eventually is not the same as having a process to get solved :) Anyway just my suggestion, from my years of seeing and playing at all these casinos, I can say many possibly valid ones never got solved. Title: Re: How high is the probability of accusations vs. casinos in BitcoinTalk are true? Post by: Agbe on June 19, 2024, 12:16:15 PM I don't believed that someone would just create account and accused a casino of scamming with participating in the casino. And only thing I will consider for casino side, the person might not give the accurate information about the scam but there would be no automatic false in the accusation. The person might missed some vital information in the accusation and that does not make it invalid. The casinos have to do the right thing. And those who create those scam accusation threads need solutions for their problems and those who can contribute to those threads to either advise or counseling. There is no big deal, those commenters are not part of the game so they can't do anything except to tell the representative to inform the casino Abu the accusation to solve it. In my beliefs before someone creates an accusation thread, they most have gotten some disagreement with the casino. Of course, why else going through the trouble. I mean, sure there some individuals that use our forum to blackmail casinos because they know these sites are advertising here and want to maintain a certain reputation in the forum. These scammer users though have experience here and often multiple accounts, not only here but at the casino as well, that's why they got blocked in the first place mostly. Title: Re: How high is the probability of accusations vs. casinos in BitcoinTalk are true? Post by: freedomgo on June 19, 2024, 12:50:54 PM And I also said if there is no proof of accusation then it is null and void. It's a no-brainer that accusations like this should not be entertained. He can tarnish the reputation of the casino in his own way, but at the end of the day, we know who is lying. We are a community full of smart people, so we won't be easily convinced without proof of any accusation. We condemn those who are legitimate scammers, but we also appreciate those who are honest and continue to serve the community through entertainment. However, we see some newbies posting in an ANN thread complaining about a casino. If we just let them post there, it may look like we are a community that does not correct what is wrong or support what is right. Title: Re: How high is the probability of accusations vs. casinos in BitcoinTalk are true? Post by: Coin_trader on June 19, 2024, 01:17:05 PM Any accusation thread that does not follow the instructions or the rules of the forum before creating thread is not valid in the forum and moderators supposed delete such thread. And if any accuser provide all the needed information of scam accusation as Oilacris has also listed in his comment, is not a lie but I take it as a legit accusation but if there is no proof then it is null and void. Though it is possible if the casino was not fear with the gambler so with that he might want to tarnished the casino reputation and that was why I said there must be disagreement between them. And I also said if there is no proof of accusation then it is null and void. That scam accusation format is not the rules AFAIK. It’s just the proper way of reporting scam accusations to easily summarize what happened but not following that format will not make you law breaker in the forum since it’s just a guide. As long as the topic is a scam accusation whatever format he use is still belongs to that thread and not worthy to be deleted unless it’s already off-topic. Sometimes, newbie doesn’t read the stickies and just posting in the heat of the moment. They usually follow up the evidence on the later post. Scam accusation board is good since it gives freedom to everyone for expressing their assumption based on their experience against casino. Casino can always defend themselves though so no harm done with this shitty accusation. Title: Re: How high is the probability of accusations vs. casinos in BitcoinTalk are true? Post by: Agbe on June 19, 2024, 01:29:48 PM Any accusation thread that does not follow the instructions or the rules of the forum before creating thread is not valid in the forum and moderators supposed delete such thread. And if any accuser provide all the needed information of scam accusation as Oilacris has also listed in his comment, is not a lie but I take it as a legit accusation but if there is no proof then it is null and void. Though it is possible if the casino was not fear with the gambler so with that he might want to tarnished the casino reputation and that was why I said there must be disagreement between them. And I also said if there is no proof of accusation then it is null and void. That scam accusation format is not the rules AFAIK. It’s just the proper way of reporting scam accusations to easily summarize what happened but not following that format will not make you law breaker in the forum since it’s just a guide. As long as the topic is a scam accusation whatever format he use is still belongs to that thread and not worthy to be deleted unless it’s already off-topic. Sometimes, newbie doesn’t read the stickies and just posting in the heat of the moment. They usually follow up the evidence on the later post. Scam accusation board is good since it gives freedom to everyone for expressing their assumption based on their experience against casino. Casino can always defend themselves though so no harm done with this shitty accusation. Title: Re: How high is the probability of accusations vs. casinos in BitcoinTalk are true? Post by: Peanutswar on June 19, 2024, 02:06:37 PM The newly created account most likely sharing that they got scammed and created an accusation without prior proof or other details regarding their experience but sometimes they are tired of reading the terms and reason why their account gets flagged I've seen some accusations that they win a lot and still unsolved. Still, I will rely on the information given by the accusers statements and documentation so we are open to both sides and give our opinions.
Title: Re: How high is the probability of accusations vs. casinos in BitcoinTalk are true? Post by: Pandu Geddon on June 19, 2024, 02:19:18 PM What I mean is that if this https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=260073.0 format is followed by the accusers then there will be no baseless accusations because the evidences are there for everyone to see and if you really want people to believe your accusation story then you have to add the screenshot of the issues. In the scam accusation board, evidence of screenshot speaks louder than theory or ordinary text. And Even though those instructions are not the rules since they are needed in the accusation then he has to follow up. And through there people will tell him what to do. And I also know that most of the newbies threads that are there are alts to establish members. Because someone that has not used this forum can't just come here and create accusation thread. Yes, the format of the allegation report has also been pinned. although it is not a rule to use that format when making scam accusations, if it was applied by all accusers, it would be better. but even if you don't use this format, there will always be members who care and direct the accuser to use the format or show additional evidence until a representative from the casino responds. Maybe you are right regarding the newbie account that made the accusation. but it could be that they are beginners who are having problems with casinos and end up panicking looking for information and then finding forums. Title: Re: How high is the probability of accusations vs. casinos in BitcoinTalk are true? Post by: piebeyb on June 19, 2024, 03:09:13 PM The newly created account most likely sharing that they got scammed and created an accusation without prior proof or other details regarding their experience but sometimes they are tired of reading the terms and reason why their account gets flagged I've seen some accusations that they win a lot and still unsolved. Still, I will rely on the information given by the accusers statements and documentation so we are open to both sides and give our opinions. Yes, the point is, as long as there is genuine evidence, of course everyone must be open and fair in dealing with their problems, not all newbie accounts come to bring down the casino site, some even accuse them because they don't know where else to complain, whereas it may be difficult for them to complain about their problems elsewhere. The gambling site they play on, for example, lacks response to users who have problems so that gambling sites often ignore their users' problems, which ultimately makes users take other ways to complain about their problems.Not many people may know about this forum even though it exists, but most of them don't know about this forum, so they end up creating an account and complaining about problems on one of the gambling sites which may be more active on this forum than on their site, so they just come to this forum. to complain about their problems and ultimately make it a case that must be resolved by the gambling site, especially in this forum, if they cheat users, the site will definitely be flagged by many communities in the forum. Title: Re: How high is the probability of accusations vs. casinos in BitcoinTalk are true? Post by: Hamphser on June 19, 2024, 07:56:08 PM The newly created account most likely sharing that they got scammed and created an accusation without prior proof or other details regarding their experience but sometimes they are tired of reading the terms and reason why their account gets flagged I've seen some accusations that they win a lot and still unsolved. Still, I will rely on the information given by the accusers statements and documentation so we are open to both sides and give our opinions. Yes, the point is, as long as there is genuine evidence, of course everyone must be open and fair in dealing with their problems, not all newbie accounts come to bring down the casino site, some even accuse them because they don't know where else to complain, whereas it may be difficult for them to complain about their problems elsewhere. The gambling site they play on, for example, lacks response to users who have problems so that gambling sites often ignore their users' problems, which ultimately makes users take other ways to complain about their problems.Not many people may know about this forum even though it exists, but most of them don't know about this forum, so they end up creating an account and complaining about problems on one of the gambling sites which may be more active on this forum than on their site, so they just come to this forum. to complain about their problems and ultimately make it a case that must be resolved by the gambling site, especially in this forum, if they cheat users, the site will definitely be flagged by many communities in the forum. that several ways and possibilities that they could give out someones reputation to become shit not unless if those issues raised are legit ones then it would be something needing up that solid evidence. Just like on what most people saying on here that this community itself would really be that soo good when it comes on dealing up with those accusations whether its really that real or not. It would really be that understandable that solid evidences would really be needed up for you to provide on the moment that you would be raising up some issues because if you dont then you would really be just definitely be getting ignored. Title: Re: How high is the probability of accusations vs. casinos in BitcoinTalk are true? Post by: Taskford on June 20, 2024, 10:08:31 AM The newly created account most likely sharing that they got scammed and created an accusation without prior proof or other details regarding their experience but sometimes they are tired of reading the terms and reason why their account gets flagged I've seen some accusations that they win a lot and still unsolved. Still, I will rely on the information given by the accusers statements and documentation so we are open to both sides and give our opinions. Yes, the point is, as long as there is genuine evidence, of course everyone must be open and fair in dealing with their problems, not all newbie accounts come to bring down the casino site, some even accuse them because they don't know where else to complain, whereas it may be difficult for them to complain about their problems elsewhere. The gambling site they play on, for example, lacks response to users who have problems so that gambling sites often ignore their users' problems, which ultimately makes users take other ways to complain about their problems.Not many people may know about this forum even though it exists, but most of them don't know about this forum, so they end up creating an account and complaining about problems on one of the gambling sites which may be more active on this forum than on their site, so they just come to this forum. to complain about their problems and ultimately make it a case that must be resolved by the gambling site, especially in this forum, if they cheat users, the site will definitely be flagged by many communities in the forum. that several ways and possibilities that they could give out someones reputation to become shit not unless if those issues raised are legit ones then it would be something needing up that solid evidence. Just like on what most people saying on here that this community itself would really be that soo good when it comes on dealing up with those accusations whether its really that real or not. It would really be that understandable that solid evidences would really be needed up for you to provide on the moment that you would be raising up some issues because if you dont then you would really be just definitely be getting ignored. Its easy to ignore them since we could figure out immediately if there accusation or argument is true. If they could able to present a valid proof then people should entertain them and help them to raise their issue to the casino by posting on their Ann thread question why the casino didn't settle or help the guy on their issues. But if they can't present anything and just throw baseless allegation then automatically we could easily point out the they are just a troll and want to create some commotion so people will get confuse on the reputation of the casino. Also this action they made will not succeed since people could turn down immediately those people who post nonsense accusations. Title: Re: How high is the probability of accusations vs. casinos in BitcoinTalk are true? Post by: Fivestar4everMVP on June 20, 2024, 10:41:52 AM What I mean is that if this https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=260073.0 format is followed by the accusers then there will be no baseless accusations because the evidences are there for everyone to see and if you really want people to believe your accusation story then you have to add the screenshot of the issues. In the scam accusation board, evidence of screenshot speaks louder than theory or ordinary text. And Even though those instructions are not the rules since they are needed in the accusation then he has to follow up. And through there people will tell him what to do. And I also know that most of the newbies threads that are there are alts to establish members. Because someone that has not used this forum can't just come here and create accusation thread. Maybe you are right regarding the newbie account that made the accusation. but it could be that they are beginners who are having problems with casinos and end up panicking looking for information and then finding forums. A good example is my very self, I discovered this forum way back 2016 when I was on Google searching about what bitcoin was, how to earn free bitcoin and so on, it was in the process this I came across this forum in one of the search results, I clicked and later on registered here. Same applies to some gamblers who have been scammed by one of those unknown casinos, in their quest to find help, most begin searching on Google, and from there, they discover this forum as a place they can freely post about their problem, even though most of them lack understanding that there is no way users on this forum can help them when the casino in question does not have a representative here. Title: Re: How high is the probability of accusations vs. casinos in BitcoinTalk are true? Post by: EarnOnVictor on June 20, 2024, 05:37:48 PM Because I don't really understand how they would make money by simply hurting casino reputations. You really think some competitors could do that in order to try to get more customers? There are a lot of bad and ugly things happening these days, people are just crazy and companies could be very desperate to the point that they will indirectly attack their competitors. This is not just happening but yes, it is increasing these days. I am so sure of this because of a reviewing site I follow revealing some, where the site doesn't take any review lightly, they will make sure they do their due diligent research to be sure that it is from who it says it's from to a reasonable extent. By that, they've caught enough of rival companies using their representative to attack others by leaving bad reviews about that.They would open a new username like any other forums but the website would detect that the review came from a certain office against a rival company. At times too, it will be a good review by the same company about itself, so trusting reviews entirely is not a very good idea. But on average, if one is wise and can read reviews insightfully, such a person will not be a victim of that. And of course, a lot of reviewers would be paid for the tasks which are not even their staff, and at times, it could be friends or associates. Title: Re: How high is the probability of accusations vs. casinos in BitcoinTalk are true? Post by: Hamphser on June 20, 2024, 05:46:28 PM The newly created account most likely sharing that they got scammed and created an accusation without prior proof or other details regarding their experience but sometimes they are tired of reading the terms and reason why their account gets flagged I've seen some accusations that they win a lot and still unsolved. Still, I will rely on the information given by the accusers statements and documentation so we are open to both sides and give our opinions. Yes, the point is, as long as there is genuine evidence, of course everyone must be open and fair in dealing with their problems, not all newbie accounts come to bring down the casino site, some even accuse them because they don't know where else to complain, whereas it may be difficult for them to complain about their problems elsewhere. The gambling site they play on, for example, lacks response to users who have problems so that gambling sites often ignore their users' problems, which ultimately makes users take other ways to complain about their problems.Not many people may know about this forum even though it exists, but most of them don't know about this forum, so they end up creating an account and complaining about problems on one of the gambling sites which may be more active on this forum than on their site, so they just come to this forum. to complain about their problems and ultimately make it a case that must be resolved by the gambling site, especially in this forum, if they cheat users, the site will definitely be flagged by many communities in the forum. that several ways and possibilities that they could give out someones reputation to become shit not unless if those issues raised are legit ones then it would be something needing up that solid evidence. Just like on what most people saying on here that this community itself would really be that soo good when it comes on dealing up with those accusations whether its really that real or not. It would really be that understandable that solid evidences would really be needed up for you to provide on the moment that you would be raising up some issues because if you dont then you would really be just definitely be getting ignored. Its easy to ignore them since we could figure out immediately if there accusation or argument is true. If they could able to present a valid proof then people should entertain them and help them to raise their issue to the casino by posting on their Ann thread question why the casino didn't settle or help the guy on their issues. But if they can't present anything and just throw baseless allegation then automatically we could easily point out the they are just a troll and want to create some commotion so people will get confuse on the reputation of the casino. Also this action they made will not succeed since people could turn down immediately those people who post nonsense accusations. On which we know that the community would really be just that ignoring them or simply they are really just that wasting up time and effort on doing such thing? The community is really that highly reactive when it comes to scams and potential issues no matter how old or new a site is. As long it would really be shown up with some solid evidence then it would really be that something that needs up to be cleared up by the said platform whether old or new. Title: Re: How high is the probability of accusations vs. casinos in BitcoinTalk are true? Post by: letteredhub on June 20, 2024, 07:36:25 PM There are many personal reasons why an accuser against a casinos' unprofessional action would want to use a newbie account to pour out his accusations and because it's a newbie account doesn instantly make it a scammer's account with having to hear from both sides thoroughly before reaching conclusion. What if the victim who want to raise the accusation is participating in the casino's signature campaign in the forum and probably out of fear for his spot don't want to use his account to raise the issue and then decides to use the other channel of creating a newbie account to speak up about it.
One thing we should understand is that, it's not the calibre or how long the accuser might have been a member of the forum that makes his accusation worthy of a listen ear. We all have to give every complain an equal playing ground until evidence are produced to ascertain who's wrong or right. Title: Re: How high is the probability of accusations vs. casinos in BitcoinTalk are true? Post by: delfastTions on June 25, 2024, 08:27:45 AM There are many personal reasons why an accuser against a casinos' unprofessional action would want to use a newbie account to pour out his accusations and because it's a newbie account doesn instantly make it a scammer's account with having to hear from both sides thoroughly before reaching conclusion. What if the victim who want to raise the accusation is participating in the casino's signature campaign in the forum and probably out of fear for his spot don't want to use his account to raise the issue and then decides to use the other channel of creating a newbie account to speak up about it. I agree that the time spent on the forum, although important, is not a critical argument in disputes, especially in disputes in the event of a potentially real trial. Of course, first of all, you should study the arguments and accusations on the part of the plaintiff and, accordingly, the answers and arguments of the defendant. But usually such disputes at the level of individual posts on forums are a completely useless exercise, since an outside observer and even potentially an arbitrator will still not be able to find out the real picture of events based on fragmentary data from the parties to the dispute, since many nuances remain beyond the scope of the brief information set out in the posts. One thing we should understand is that, it's not the calibre or how long the accuser might have been a member of the forum that makes his accusation worthy of a listen ear. We all have to give every complain an equal playing ground until evidence are produced to ascertain who's wrong or right. I would not participate in such proceedings at all. But I know one thing, usually completely newbies start complaining simply because they themselves have not carefully read the rules set out in the ToS or elsewhere on a website, such as a casino. This is 95% of all newbie complaints. Title: Re: How high is the probability of accusations vs. casinos in BitcoinTalk are true? Post by: Zadicar on June 25, 2024, 08:16:08 PM There are many personal reasons why an accuser against a casinos' unprofessional action would want to use a newbie account to pour out his accusations and because it's a newbie account doesn instantly make it a scammer's account with having to hear from both sides thoroughly before reaching conclusion. What if the victim who want to raise the accusation is participating in the casino's signature campaign in the forum and probably out of fear for his spot don't want to use his account to raise the issue and then decides to use the other channel of creating a newbie account to speak up about it. With this kind of thinking then it do really that shows up that you are really just that trying to protect your earning into this forum but we do know that judgement isnt something that wouldnt be fair One thing we should understand is that, it's not the calibre or how long the accuser might have been a member of the forum that makes his accusation worthy of a listen ear. We all have to give every complain an equal playing ground until evidence are produced to ascertain who's wrong or right. as long that neither having those solid proofs or not then the community cant really just make out or drawn up some conclusions on which basing up with just few words. Somehow i do agree into the sentiment that someone might really just that scared on using up their main accounts on making those accusations because on the moment that it wont really be proven out or simply you didnt put up sufficient proof then that would really be that making a huge mess into your account reputation. So far there's no proven situation about using up newbie accounts and been tagged out by other users alt account but usually newbie accounts are really that making those complaints. |