How high is the probability of accusations vs. casinos in BitcoinTalk are true?

[Findingnemo]

One of the things I learned being in the forum for years is when someone accuses a casino for whatever reasons I am sure the mistake is on the user end, they forget to read the ToS and now got frustrated if their bet become voided or cancelled or they even lose their account with funds in it.

But there are also times that casinos made mistakes and tried to resolve it to maintain reputation and some casino bombarded by updating terms after the accusations just to avoid paying money.

I am sure theymos himself made it clear that if user wants to post something via new account which is completely acceptable no matter what.

Nah, I don't think so.
I have been in the situation when sites accused me of multi accounting for example and it just wasn't true. Their detection systems are not flawless, they also make mistakes.

Best example is nitrobetting. I had an account with nitrogen sports in the past and when they closed/rebranded they just migrated all accounts to nitrobetting. I didn't even know about that because I stopped playing there.
One day I suddenly get an email from nb that my account is blocked and I should explain my "connection to user 12345", I had a good laugh.
So I didn't even know I had an account with nitrobetting, I don't have a password, never logged in once, no history, no deposits/withdrawals but they accuse me of multiaccounting, hilarious.
Just shows how ridiculous sites can be when they are accusing players over the biggest nonsense.

I just sent them a reply to fk off and never contact me again. 

I missed the word 'most' to be used in between.

Yeah nothing is 100% perfect and I am sure there are times casinos were guilty and some tried to resolve it to keep their reputation intact and some turned away like I said to hide under noticed updated terms.

In your case if you ever connected to the site via VPN and now someone is connected to the site using the same proxy that is the only logical solution to defend that their security deduction isn't messed up, well you are not playing there anymore so you avoided any loss but this kind of mistake done by many gamblers, they bypass restrictions via VPN but they lose their account sooner or later when they got into a similar situation.

[Pmalek]

First, the remark that users want to bump up their post count in such threads is based on your assumption and can never be proven to be right in any sense unless an individual tells you their mind.

Wind_FURY isn't wrong in what he said. Things like that do happen. I have seen it myself. Just by reading some of the posts that users make in scam accusation threads, it becomes evident that they didn't understand the problem and are just posting something generic. It doesn't help the case move forward or shed new light on the matter. I have seen scam accusations with dozens of replies, where only a handful are helpful where people are actually trying to figure out what happened and suggest ways to solve the case.

[bitterguy28]

I don't think anybody would be believing a brand new or a newbie account for their accusations unless and until they have any solid evidence against the casino site.
We have already seen so many accusations with false claims which is a big reason not to trust newbie accounts.\

well sometimes there is no need in providing more proofs depending in which casino are we calling because there are casinos that have already shown their scammy behavior that does not need any proofs at all.
not unless we are talking about good casinos that we already proven here then the accuser needs complete or strong proofs to show and let the whole forum knows what it is.

The thread might be getting a lot of responses but that is something which we cannot control much in a public forum like bitcointalk.

yeah but at least this thread shows that the whole forum are aware of what is going on in each accusations and each casinos involvement .

[TheUltraElite]

I have seen scam accusations with dozens of replies, where only a handful are helpful where people are actually trying to figure out what happened and suggest ways to solve the case.

In most cases so many replies are not required. If the problems seems easily solvable by some common methods, and those have been tried, we as ignorant by standers can only contact the casino representatives on the forum and politely ask them to review the stuff posted in the thread and help the fellow user out.

Adding more replies only drowns the relevant ones in a cesspool and makes it harder for someone to read through and work it out.

[EarnOnVictor]

First, the remark that users want to bump up their post count in such threads is based on your assumption and can never be proven to be right in any sense unless an individual tells you their mind.

Wind_FURY isn't wrong in what he said. Things like that do happen. I have seen it myself. Just by reading some of the posts that users make in scam accusation threads, it becomes evident that they didn't understand the problem and are just posting something generic. It doesn't help the case move forward or shed new light on the matter. I have seen scam accusations with dozens of replies, where only a handful are helpful where people are actually trying to figure out what happened and suggest ways to solve the case.

I understand you quite well and you are right at the same time, but his generalizing it is what I was trying to point out. Of course, many would do that to fill up their weekly needed posts, but how do we know it is so for everyone just because we feel so? That was my plight. Even if some people did not construct themselves well, it's not a yardstick that they are just bumping up to fill up, some may not even be good at writing, while others may be stressed at that time but still want to contribute (I advise against posting at that time).

My point remains that there are thousands of threads to post in to complete our weekly post, so anyone may still choose to abandon the scam accusation thread if they like because it is never mandatory. For them to reply there does not necessarily mean that they want to bump up in some cases but just write what they believe is right in their own capability. It is not everyone that can be guilty of such allegations even if they do not make so much sense there, that's my point.

[kotajikikox]

Also, let's not forget about the butthurt gamblers out there that lost a lot of money gambling and then trying to lash out against the casino to feed their own agenda.

 

Maybe many of them are just butthurt like what you said but also there are some that have been cheated by gambling sites as we also knew that not all gambling sites operates as how we are seeing and knowing them now because there are other side of each gambling site.
that I also  believe that many of them will try to take players money but when they are being called then things changed and indeed they are paying the taken money from those gamblers sad but reality , while other sites pretend to  be not intended to act such but deep inside its their tactics to take fund from those who have no capacity to run against their behavior .

[slaman29]

Personally, I think the ones who are suspicious are posting a lot of lazy nonsense. No substance just accusations.

Secondly, if the ANN is active on bitcointalk, and the user is new, they probably are an alt

The forum needs a permanent arbitrator group or something, but nobody wants to waste their time, I think 90% of accusations are false when isolated. If 2 or 3 post, it's usually a sign of a problem.

About the spammers... do your job as a forum user and report and block/ignore those posters who spam. Doesn't matter if they're flooding thread of gambling or accusations. Few people actually are trying to really help.

If possible even mention the campaigns they are posting for hopefully the manager sees it.

[redsun114]

I know there are lots of haters and competitors between casino operators which could led to some of them hiring people to accused the opposite casino to soil their reputation. Even though they came up with prove it could be an intentional acts to enable them tarnished the good image of other casinos.

Reputable casinos can't go that low, and they don't even need to because the community would know they are the best and they would refer any new gambler to them if they have the best services in the industry, and good and reputable platforms always have their promotional events going on that usually brings a lot of new gamblers to them and they don't need to stoop this low only to compromise the reputation of a competitor to take their customers.

I know that these things usually happen in businesses where there is competition, but what we see here is mostly not related to that. It can be that the person accusing a casino has a personal issue with the casino, maybe they have lost a lot of money in it and now they want to make it look bad.

[rodskee]

I know there are lots of haters and competitors between casino operators which could led to some of them hiring people to accused the opposite casino to soil their reputation. Even though they came up with prove it could be an intentional acts to enable them tarnished the good image of other casinos.

Reputable casinos can't go that low, and they don't even need to because the community would know they are the best and they would refer any new gambler to them if they have the best services in the industry, and good and reputable platforms always have their promotional events going on that usually brings a lot of new gamblers to them and they don't need to stoop this low only to compromise the reputation of a competitor to take their customers.

or maybe it is not about the competitors but those people who supports then that runs these kind of issues?
like what you said it is not the reputable casino that will stoop that low but their supporters can do everything.

I know that these things usually happen in businesses where there is competition, but what we see here is mostly not related to that. It can be that the person accusing a casino has a personal issue with the casino, maybe they have lost a lot of money in it and now they want to make it look bad.

exactly , it is mostly the personal issue either they have lose badly or they cannot cheat the casino so
they are putting cases for blackmailing .

[ultrloa]

Personally, I think the ones who are suspicious are posting a lot of lazy nonsense. No substance just accusations.

Secondly, if the ANN is active on bitcointalk, and the user is new, they probably are an alt

Mostly they will not succeed if they show pure allegation since people are smart enough to determine what's legit accusation and which is not.

For sure they are alt and no question with that since if they are legitimately affected by the casino for sure they would use their real account.

The forum needs a permanent arbitrator group or something, but nobody wants to waste their time, I think 90% of accusations are false when isolated. If 2 or 3 post, it's usually a sign of a problem.

About the spammers... do your job as a forum user and report and block/ignore those posters who spam. Doesn't matter if they're flooding thread of gambling or accusations. Few people actually are trying to really help.

If possible even mention the campaigns they are posting for hopefully the manager sees it.

I guess arbitrator group is not needed anymore since there are lots of people can debunk those accuser and point out that they are wrong or those people are just a pure troll.

We cannot generalize all are there just to spam and if we see a nonsense post comes from certain people then much better to report it to moderator then its up for them to take action on the reported post.

Yes calling out the manager would be one of the best solution since they are the one can determine if the post is valid for their campaign or not.

[wiss19]

Maybe many of them are just butthurt like what you said but also there are some that have been cheated by gambling sites as we also knew that not all gambling sites operates as how we are seeing and knowing them now because there are other side of each gambling site.
that I also  believe that many of them will try to take players money but when they are being called then things changed and indeed they are paying the taken money from those gamblers sad but reality , while other sites pretend to  be not intended to act such but deep inside its their tactics to take fund from those who have no capacity to run against their behavior .

You are right but the odds of reputable casino platforms doing something like that are very low and we know that most casino platforms we have in this forum are at least somewhat reputable apart from the ones that are being announced newly, and if a gambler chooses a new casino and faces a situation like that, we can't blame them because the platform is new and doesn't have a high reputation in the community yet but this is also important for gamblers to make sure they are not depositing large amounts in fairly new casinos.

Nothing can be done about those who are butthurt because they have lost their money in a casino and now want to accuse them of being scammers. Some such gamblers would even create fake proofs such as fabricated or edited chat screenshots that they claim are real and were done with the customer support team.

[Dunamisx]

We have to identify something here which talks more about the way we see some of the advertised gambling casinos on this platform, which is not a sign for endorsement of their use as being a standard one or to trust them, anyone can be involved in scam and we have to only make sure we had the very best of our researching ability on some of them before using them, scam is not moderated from this forum, but we should do our own research.

[Hamphser]

Maybe many of them are just butthurt like what you said but also there are some that have been cheated by gambling sites as we also knew that not all gambling sites operates as how we are seeing and knowing them now because there are other side of each gambling site.
that I also  believe that many of them will try to take players money but when they are being called then things changed and indeed they are paying the taken money from those gamblers sad but reality , while other sites pretend to  be not intended to act such but deep inside its their tactics to take fund from those who have no capacity to run against their behavior .

You are right but the odds of reputable casino platforms doing something like that are very low and we know that most casino platforms we have in this forum are at least somewhat reputable apart from the ones that are being announced newly, and if a gambler chooses a new casino and faces a situation like that, we can't blame them because the platform is new and doesn't have a high reputation in the community yet but this is also important for gamblers to make sure they are not depositing large amounts in fairly new casinos.

Nothing can be done about those who are butthurt because they have lost their money in a casino and now want to accuse them of being scammers. Some such gamblers would even create fake proofs such as fabricated or edited chat screenshots that they claim are real and were done with the customer support team.

Usually if there would really be some sort of issues been raised or been throwing into those old reputable sites, then this is where the community will really be making up some indepth research whether the issues been raised up were legit or really just that simply trying out to stain up their reputation. Its not first time on seeing those kind of trolling on where making up some issues even there's no proof that had been presented. For new sites, then it wont be shocking that there are some initial issues but the community wont really be  that highly reactive to it as long it wont really be that in connection about hold withdrawals or fairness issues.

Probability for those issues to be real once there's some accusations? It would really be just that depending because issues been raised without any solid proofs are considered to be shit.
Community would really be just simply forgetting it and wont really be that putting up that much attention.

[uchegod-21]

Currently, there's a pattern. A person makes a new account in BitcoinTalk, makes a topic/accuses a casino of scamming him/her, and because some users need to bump up their post count for their signature campaigns, the topic gets more attention than it should be during a normal situation.

OK, it's understandable that users need to bump up their post count, but we should also be responsible to find the truth, and merely not believing an accusation from a person who literally made a brand new account, nor discussing it with the person like something wrong actually happened. Because actual scammers themselves will take advantage of us.

I have always thought why 90% of the accusing accounts are newbies. I never found a cogent answer to my thoughts but I had to eventually conclude that, maybe the newbies already had the problem outside the forum, but at the course of finding solutions to their problems they stumbled in this forum. I don't know how true my assumption will be.

[bitterguy28]

Currently, there's a pattern. A person makes a new account in BitcoinTalk, makes a topic/accuses a casino of scamming him/her, and because some users need to bump up their post count for their signature campaigns, the topic gets more attention than it should be during a normal situation.

OK, it's understandable that users need to bump up their post count, but we should also be responsible to find the truth, and merely not believing an accusation from a person who literally made a brand new account, nor discussing it with the person like something wrong actually happened. Because actual scammers themselves will take advantage of us.

I have always thought why 90% of the accusing accounts are newbies. I never found a cogent answer to my thoughts but I had to eventually conclude that, maybe the newbies already had the problem outside the forum, but at the course of finding solutions to their problems they stumbled in this forum. I don't know how true my assumption will be.

There is an answer above mate saying some are not from this forum and when they dig in google this forum will be on the top so they have to create threads about their accusations , and also some are old members here that don't wanna use their main account for security reason thats why they need to create newbie account , and another thing is that some of them are just issue maker to force the site paying them to prevent from being accused but Site owners nowadays will not deal with it instead they will act accordingly .

Personally, I think the ones who are suspicious are posting a lot of lazy nonsense. No substance just accusations.

Secondly, if the ANN is active on bitcointalk, and the user is new, they probably are an alt

The forum needs a permanent arbitrator group or something, but nobody wants to waste their time, I think 90% of accusations are false when isolated. If 2 or 3 post, it's usually a sign of a problem.

About the spammers... do your job as a forum user and report and block/ignore those posters who spam. Doesn't matter if they're flooding thread of gambling or accusations. Few people actually are trying to really help.

If possible even mention the campaigns they are posting for hopefully the manager sees it.

All of your points are something we must look at specially the calling for FORUM ARBITRATOR because bitcointalk is gathering so much issues about scamming so we should have our panel here to  face these cases.

[adaseb]

Yes I noticed this also, it’s been happening for years and it’s almost always a new account and that’s why it’s hard to take them seriously.

Some people do make emotional decisions while gambling and go on tilt and end up losing it all. Then they try and say they were scammed in hopes they get a refund. They figure the casino doesn’t want bad publicity and they might get their money back. But it rarely works out that way.

[Haunebu]

All of your points are something we must look at specially the calling for FORUM ARBITRATOR because bitcointalk is gathering so much issues about scamming so we should have our panel here to  face these cases.

This doesn't make any sort of sense whatsoever. I have no idea why you guys are suggesting forum arbitrators when there are forum mods already available and the fact that this is a free forum.

Stuff like this was suggested before too and shot down for the reasons that I stated. None of this will ever change in my opinion.

[Fivestar4everMVP]

Yes I noticed this also, it’s been happening for years and it’s almost always a new account and that’s why it’s hard to take them seriously.

Some people do make emotional decisions while gambling and go on tilt and end up losing it all. Then they try and say they were scammed in hopes they get a refund. They figure the casino doesn’t want bad publicity and they might get their money back. But it rarely works out that way.

You are right and I absolutely agree with you, but then, I don't there is anything wrong with creating a scam accusation against a casino with the newbie ranked account, because aside the fact that some of this users who try to ransom the casino with their accusation after legitimately losing their money, there are still other users who probably would have been genuinely scammed, who were not a member of this forum in time past, but only got to discover this forum while they were searching for where to complain about the issue they are having supposed casino.

So in essence, we can't just turn a blind eye to a scam accusation simply because the accusation is coming from a  newbie account, it's absolutely wrong to do such.
The right thing to do is that we give attention to the claim proofs or evidences provided by the complainant, from that, I believe we can easily tell which accusation is genuine and which is not.

[slaman29]

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The forum needs a permanent arbitrator group or something, but nobody wants to waste their time, I think 90% of accusations are false when isolated. If 2 or 3 post, it's usually a sign of a problem.
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All of your points are something we must look at specially the calling for FORUM ARBITRATOR because bitcointalk is gathering so much issues about scamming so we should have our panel here to  face these cases.

Like I said though, nobody wants to waste their time unless a group of trusted gamblers get together, like a panel we can choose from, and set a standard fee that should be covered in advance by parties of the arbitration. Nobody should do it for free.

This solves issue of nonsense scam accusations because if you do not want arbitrator, then you have something to hide.

And then we can move accusers to that panel, if they do not, their thread is reported, we help clean the forum up.

[freedomgo]

All of your points are something we must look at specially the calling for FORUM ARBITRATOR because bitcointalk is gathering so much issues about scamming so we should have our panel here to  face these cases.

This doesn't make any sort of sense whatsoever. I have no idea why you guys are suggesting forum arbitrators when there are forum mods already available and the fact that this is a free forum.

Stuff like this was suggested before too and shot down for the reasons that I stated. None of this will ever change in my opinion.

This doesn't exist by name, but I think we really have them in the forum, and they are the DT members. DT members are trusted individuals expected to make sound decisions to protect the forum and its users. As long as there is enough evidence presented by the accuser, the DT members will support it and paint a red tag to the accused casino's BTT profile. This system is quite effective because people in the forum are aware that once a casino has a red tag, it is a casino to stay away from.