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Title: 🔥 GingerWallet.io - Desktop, Non-custodial, Open source | #CoinJoin
Post by: icopress on June 27, 2024, 10:55:46 PM
Quote from:  Open-source / CoinJoin / Non-custodial [GingerWallet.io Download] & [LN Quest ⚡] & [Ginger PGP] Altcointalk [Thread]


GingerWallet (https://gingerwallet.io/) is designed as a zero-knowledge software! .Open-source, Non-custodial, Desktop, CoinJoin.. The wallet employs WabiSabi (https://github.com/zkSNACKs/WabiSabi/), an anonymous credential scheme designed to facilitate more accessible and efficient coinjoins. CoinJoining coins with a value exceeding 0.01 BTC incurs a 0.3% coordinator (https://github.com/GingerPrivacy/GingerWallet/tree/master/WalletWasabi.Backend) fee + mining fees. Inputs of 0.01 BTC or less, as well as remixes, are exempt from coordinator fees, even after a single transaction.

  • Release Highlights

➥ This version is similar to Wasabi Wallet v2.0.8, just small tweaks and rebranding.
➥ Default coordinator set to Ginger coordinator (cannot be changed). See coordinator highlights below 👇
➥ Ginger is using the user's same working folder as Wasabi. Create backup if required.
➥ Our signatures are new - in browsers so you might get warning messages because their reputation score is low.
Buy & Sell Bitcoins with Ginger Wallet - [Sell] (https://docs.gingerwallet.io/using-ginger/sell.html), [Buy] (https://docs.gingerwallet.io/using-ginger/buy.html).

  • Coordinator Highlights [Same fees structure as before with Wasabi(zkSNACKs) coordinator].

FREE under 0.01 BTC!
➥ Coordinator commission 0.3% + mining fees.
➥ Free for coins that come from Wasabi coinjoins
➥ Secure! Illicit actors are not allowed to participate! Residents of USA not allowed to use it!

  • How to add Ginger coordinator to Wasabi?

1. Click to Search bar » Type "Config File" » Press ENTER.
2. Change MainNetBackendUri from https://api.wasabiwallet.io/ to https://api.gingerwallet.io/.
3. Restart Wasabi Wallet.

  • How to add Ginger coordinator to BTCPAY server?

1. Select Discover Coordinators over Nostr.
2. Select Ginger Coordinator.
3. Save ➥ FAQ (https://docs.btcpayserver.org/Wabisabi/#additional-coordinators)

  • Requirements

➥ Windows 10+ / https://github.com/GingerPrivacy/GingerWallet/releases/download/v2.0.9/Ginger-2.0.9.msi
➥ MacOS 12.0+ Intel / https://github.com/GingerPrivacy/GingerWallet/releases/download/v2.0.9/Ginger-2.0.9.dmg
➥ MacOS 12.0+ M1, M2 / https://github.com/GingerPrivacy/GingerWallet/releases/download/v2.0.9/Ginger-2.0.9-arm64.dmg
➥ Ubuntu, Debian / https://github.com/GingerPrivacy/GingerWallet/releases/download/v2.0.9/Ginger-2.0.9.deb
➥ Other Linux / https://github.com/GingerPrivacy/GingerWallet/releases/download/v2.0.9/Ginger-2.0.9.tar.gz


Title: Re: GingerWallet.io - Desktop, Non-custodial, Open source | #CoinJoin
Post by: icopress on June 27, 2024, 11:02:12 PM
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Title: Re: 🔥 GingerWallet.io - Desktop, Non-custodial, Open source | #CoinJoin
Post by: JollyGood on June 28, 2024, 05:26:17 PM
This looks like an interesting project, their website states: "Ginger Wallet forked from Wasabi Wallet. A new coordinator with an active coinjoin service has been established."

I was going to ask if GingerWallet was going to use a blockchain analysis company (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5476197.msg64040255#msg64040255) in the same way WasabiWallet did but I opted to check their Terms and Conditions.

It seems they are implementing the same use of third party blockchain analysis companies as WasabiWallet did therefore why do it when they saw how fast WasabiWallet lost trust and reputation because of it?


https://i.postimg.cc/9QyX9nFS/Ginger-Wallet-terms1-Copy.png



Title: Re: 🔥 GingerWallet.io - Desktop, Non-custodial, Open source | #CoinJoin
Post by: PrivacyG on June 28, 2024, 07:08:21 PM
It seems they are implementing the same use of third party blockchain analysis companies as WasabiWallet did therefore why do it when they saw how fast WasabiWallet lost trust and reputation because of it?
As long as Ginger Wallet is entirely Transparent, I presume they can build a much stronger reputation around their name and Product.  Wasabi lost their reputation because of the way they handled the situation.

Working with Blockchain Analysis is understandable for a team of people who are not willing to compromise their own Safety and Freedom for a Product.  When lies come out, they doxx competitors et cetera, you probably naturally start questioning their real motives.  We never got answers for so many of our questions besides avoidance and 'I do not know', so the situation only became worse and worse.

-----

Got a few curiosities.

I wonder, is Ginger Wallet going to continue only tweaking future versions of Wasabi or are they going an entirely separate path and looking to build a separate Product?

FREE under 0.01 BTC!
This is a great incentive for new users who want to test it out or have small Inputs.  But can this be some how 'abused' by Ginger users resulting in spamming the Blockchain with unnecessary Transactions?  As in splitting their holdings into Inputs of 0.01 Bitcoin so they can avoid the Fees?  In my head, it would cost just about as much or even more if you did this than if you just paid the Fee, so I may be well wrong.

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A little note.  On a non Java Script browser, many of the images do not show up.


Title: Re: 🔥 GingerWallet.io - Desktop, Non-custodial, Open source | #CoinJoin
Post by: SFR10 on June 29, 2024, 09:10:22 AM
I wonder, is Ginger Wallet going to continue only tweaking future versions of Wasabi or are they going an entirely separate path and looking to build a separate Product?
Based on the "Why fork (https://x.com/molnardavid84/status/1798997395298234864)" section of this blog post, at some point in the future they might go in a different direction.

As in splitting their holdings into Inputs of 0.01 Bitcoin so they can avoid the Fees?  In my head, it would cost just about as much or even more if you did this than if you just paid the Fee, so I may be well wrong.
It depends on the state of mempool and how large their asset is before the split... As of this writing [8 sat/vB], splitting 0.1BTC into 0.01BTC inputs would be cheaper than paying the coordinator fee in question.


Title: Re: 🔥 GingerWallet.io - Desktop, Non-custodial, Open source | #CoinJoin
Post by: BlackHatCoiner on June 29, 2024, 01:37:58 PM
GingerWallet (https://gingerwallet.io/) is designed as a zero-knowledge software!
Secure! Illicit actors are not allowed to participate! Residents of USA not allowed to use it!
One statement conflicts the other. It cannot simultaneously be "zero-knowledge" and not accept USA residents. To block USA residents, you need to know who's a USA resident.

If GingerWallet is following the exact same protocol as Wasabi (WabiSabi (https://eprint.iacr.org/2021/206.pdf)), then communication between the user and the coordinator is made using Tor circuits, otherwise input registration is not blinded. If that's the case, then the coordinator is incapable of identifying the region of the user.


Title: Re: 🔥 GingerWallet.io - Desktop, Non-custodial, Open source | #CoinJoin
Post by: JollyGood on June 29, 2024, 08:15:58 PM
Their ToS state US citizens are not allowed to use their wallet therefore to some degree they are trying to avoid US jurisdiction but it will not help them if they are accused of money laundering as the US will seize their website regardless. Is it possible they are using blockchain analysis in order to present as a defence to legal authorities for mitigation if ever in future they were accused of money laundering?

Working with Blockchain Analysis is understandable for a team of people who are not willing to compromise their own Safety and Freedom for a Product.  When lies come out, they doxx competitors et cetera, you probably naturally start questioning their real motives.  We never got answers for so many of our questions besides avoidance and 'I do not know', so the situation only became worse and worse.


Title: Re: 🔥 GingerWallet.io - Desktop, Non-custodial, Open source | #CoinJoin
Post by: FinneysTrueVision on June 29, 2024, 10:33:09 PM
One statement conflicts the other. It cannot simultaneously be "zero-knowledge" and not accept USA residents. To block USA residents, you need to know who's a USA resident.

If GingerWallet is following the exact same protocol as Wasabi (WabiSabi (https://eprint.iacr.org/2021/206.pdf)), then communication between the user and the coordinator is made using Tor circuits, otherwise input registration is not blinded. If that's the case, then the coordinator is incapable of identifying the region of the user.

They even state that U.S. passport holders aren’t allowed to use it, so even if you’re in a different country you are still prohibited from using it. Unless they’re going to start doing KYC, this cannot be meaningfully enforced. If they could effectively block U.S. citizens it either wouldn’t be trustless like they claim or it wouldn’t even be a privacy wallet at all.

I can understand them trying to stay off law enforcement’s radar after the Samourai arrests, but anybody familiar with how Wasabi Wallet works, which they are a nearly identical fork of, understands that this is complete nonsense.


Title: Re: 🔥 GingerWallet.io - Desktop, Non-custodial, Open source | #CoinJoin
Post by: NotATether on June 30, 2024, 05:35:00 AM
This looks like an interesting project, their website states: "Ginger Wallet forked from Wasabi Wallet. A new coordinator with an active coinjoin service has been established."

I was going to ask if GingerWallet was going to use a blockchain analysis company (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5476197.msg64040255#msg64040255) in the same way WasabiWallet did but I opted to check their Terms and Conditions.

It seems they are implementing the same use of third party blockchain analysis companies as WasabiWallet did therefore why do it when they saw how fast WasabiWallet lost trust and reputation because of it?

We literally crucified (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5405325.0) Wasabi wallet for selling out to blockchain analysis, two years ago. This project comes here and isn't even trying to hide their collaboration with them, and on top of that is basically doing everything that zkSNACKs did and expects us to applaud for them or something?

I can't say I'm not disappointed.

I understand that the whole point of this is to make a rebranding of Wasabi with a default working coordinator but their marketing is quite shameless IMO.

It's not a wallet I'd ever use (I can't, anyway - LOL!)


Title: Re: 🔥 GingerWallet.io - Desktop, Non-custodial, Open source | #CoinJoin
Post by: BlackHatCoiner on June 30, 2024, 01:43:42 PM
Their ToS state US citizens are not allowed to use their wallet therefore to some degree they are trying to avoid US jurisdiction but it will not help them if they are accused of money laundering as the US will seize their website regardless.
Exactly. It looks like they're trying to avoid being called money transmitters in the US, just as the zkSNACKs' coordinator.

Is it possible they are using blockchain analysis in order to present as a defence to legal authorities for mitigation if ever in future they were accused of money laundering?
It's possible they portray it as if that's the case, but considering that blockchain analysis is evidently flawed, it doesn't hold water. An American can exchange bitcoin with a European, and then mix "European bitcoin".

Why do Bitcoin businesses keep buying this harmful notion?


Title: Re: 🔥 GingerWallet.io - Desktop, Non-custodial, Open source | #CoinJoin
Post by: ABCbits on July 01, 2024, 09:29:49 AM
GingerWallet (https://gingerwallet.io/) is designed as a zero-knowledge software!
Secure! Illicit actors are not allowed to participate! Residents of USA not allowed to use it!
One statement conflicts the other. It cannot simultaneously be "zero-knowledge" and not accept USA residents. To block USA residents, you need to know who's a USA resident.

If GingerWallet is following the exact same protocol as Wasabi (WabiSabi (https://eprint.iacr.org/2021/206.pdf)), then communication between the user and the coordinator is made using Tor circuits, otherwise input registration is not blinded. If that's the case, then the coordinator is incapable of identifying the region of the user.

In practice, i expect they only block USA IP address from accessing their website and coordinator link. And don't forget someone can use different wallet (which support WabiSabi CoinJoin) and use their coordinator.


Title: Re: 🔥 GingerWallet.io - Desktop, Non-custodial, Open source | #CoinJoin
Post by: JollyGood on July 01, 2024, 10:03:25 AM
We literally crucified (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5405325.0) Wasabi wallet for selling out to blockchain analysis, two years ago. This project comes here and isn't even trying to hide their collaboration with them, and on top of that is basically doing everything that zkSNACKs did and expects us to applaud for them or something?
They clearly took time and effort to build their product and will not probably try to build a brand too and I wish them success. Having said that, it does seem strange they would fork WasabiWallet yet would retain blockchain analysis when they must have noticed what happened to reputation of their owner zkSNACKs. If they were going to launch this a product that was distancing itself from the controversy surrounding WasabiWallet, the common sense approach probably would have been to avoid making the same mistakes. There is a possibility they concluded having blockchain analysis will help shield them in the event they were ever charged with any crimes such as money laundering.

Their ToS state US citizens are not allowed to use their wallet therefore to some degree they are trying to avoid US jurisdiction but it will not help them if they are accused of money laundering as the US will seize their website regardless.
Exactly. It looks like they're trying to avoid being called money transmitters in the US, just as the zkSNACKs' coordinator.
This is the part I find confusing because whether they have blockchain analysis or not, they could be shutdown by the US or any law enforcement agency regardless of whether US citizens use their GingerWallet service or not. Maybe they took a business decision after witnessing the number of mixer/coinjoin cases with charges of money laundering being put before Courts therefore want to protect their position and I suppose looking at it from their perspective it is understandable.

In practice, i expect they only block USA IP address from accessing their website and coordinator link. And don't forget someone can use different wallet (which support WabiSabi CoinJoin) and use their coordinator.
Even by blocking USA IP addresses I think those residing in the US that are determined enough to use their services will find a way.


Title: Re: 🔥 GingerWallet.io - Desktop, Non-custodial, Open source | #CoinJoin
Post by: NotATether on July 01, 2024, 10:51:45 AM
Even by blocking USA IP addresses I think those residing in the US that are determined enough to use their services will find a way.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VPN_service


Title: Re: 🔥 GingerWallet.io - Desktop, Non-custodial, Open source | #CoinJoin
Post by: ABCbits on July 01, 2024, 11:07:50 AM
We literally crucified (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5405325.0) Wasabi wallet for selling out to blockchain analysis, two years ago. This project comes here and isn't even trying to hide their collaboration with them, and on top of that is basically doing everything that zkSNACKs did and expects us to applaud for them or something?
They clearly took time and effort to build their product and will not probably try to build a brand too and I wish them success. Having said that, it does seem strange they would fork WasabiWallet yet would retain blockchain analysis when they must have noticed what happened to reputation of their owner zkSNACKs. If they were going to launch this a product that was distancing itself from the controversy surrounding WasabiWallet, the common sense approach probably would have been to avoid making the same mistakes. There is a possibility they concluded having blockchain analysis will help shield them in the event they were ever charged with any crimes such as money laundering.

But i think it's important to note that GingerWallet did that from beginning, while zkSNACKs did that halfway where people have high expectation from zkSNACKs.

In practice, i expect they only block USA IP address from accessing their website and coordinator link. And don't forget someone can use different wallet (which support WabiSabi CoinJoin) and use their coordinator.
Even by blocking USA IP addresses I think those residing in the US that are determined enough to use their services will find a way.

I agree. They probably do that with expectation they would face less pressure from governments.


Title: Re: 🔥 GingerWallet.io - Desktop, Non-custodial, Open source | #CoinJoin
Post by: JollyGood on July 01, 2024, 02:05:31 PM
Indeed they have done it from the beginning and they have also kept that information limited to their terms and conditions without it becoming a major discussion point until now. As far as a PR exercise is concerned would it help their cause? What I am thinking about is what the opinion of potential customer/clients and most neutral onlookers would be and would it work to their advantage for starting out that way and receive credit for it rather than implement it half way through?

As we have seen from many posts in the WasabiWallet thread, companies that use blockchain analysis are not popular and members are usually advised to avoid them therefore GingerWallet will have to contend with that negativity if they plan on being successful.

But i think it's important to note that GingerWallet did that from beginning, while zkSNACKs did that halfway where people have high expectation from zkSNACKs.


Title: Re: 🔥 GingerWallet.io - Desktop, Non-custodial, Open source | #CoinJoin
Post by: Husna QA on July 02, 2024, 02:43:59 AM
-snip-
➥ Ginger is using the user's same working folder as Wasabi. Create backup if required.
-snip-

Previously, I tried the Ginger wallet, and it turns out that some wallets that I had created in the Wasabi wallet were automatically detected in the Ginger wallet.
It is understandable because the Ginger wallet is a fork of Wasabi. So, the hierarchy of folders and wallets can be used with each other.



Title: Re: 🔥 GingerWallet.io - Desktop, Non-custodial, Open source | #CoinJoin
Post by: hugeblack on July 02, 2024, 02:47:00 AM
There are two levels of privacy, network level privacy and blockchain level:

- If we take the network level, to avoid malicious spies and ISP spying, Ginger communications must be encrypted and broadcast using Tor[1], which is something that contradicts restricting wallet downloads to a specific country.
- As for the blockchain level, making the Default coordinator set to Ginger coordinator (cannot be changed) while placing restrictions on some transactions on the Ginger coordinator (blacklists) means that it is difficult to achieve privacy at this level.

Claiming to be a privacy-focused wallet means promoting them on these two levels and not the other way around.

The only positive thing is that this wallet may be an option for those who are afraid of associating coinjoin with money laundering, although there are no guarantees from that coinjoin-ed coins will have a good AML record(I do not agree with this principle).

[1] https://nopara73.medium.com/bitcoin-core-vs-wasabi-wallet-network-level-privacy-bdca1d501387


Title: Re: 🔥 GingerWallet.io - Desktop, Non-custodial, Open source | #CoinJoin
Post by: JollyGood on July 02, 2024, 07:22:00 AM
Previously, I tried the Ginger wallet, and it turns out that some wallets that I had created in the Wasabi wallet were automatically detected in the Ginger wallet.
It is understandable because the Ginger wallet is a fork of Wasabi. So, the hierarchy of folders and wallets can be used with each other.
This is a plus point for those that were using WasabiWallet but stopped because their default co-ordinator was removed. They could use GingerWallet and retain previous WasabiWallet folders or keep using WasabiWallet but modify the GingerWallet api link. Either way there is a benefit for those that want to keep using these wallets.

There are two levels of privacy, network level privacy and blockchain level:

- If we take the network level, to avoid malicious spies and ISP spying, Ginger communications must be encrypted and broadcast using Tor[1], which is something that contradicts restricting wallet downloads to a specific country.
- As for the blockchain level, making the Default coordinator set to Ginger coordinator (cannot be changed) while placing restrictions on some transactions on the Ginger coordinator (blacklists) means that it is difficult to achieve privacy at this level.

Claiming to be a privacy-focused wallet means promoting them on these two levels and not the other way around.

The only positive thing is that this wallet may be an option for those who are afraid of associating coinjoin with money laundering, although there are no guarantees from that coinjoin-ed coins will have a good AML record(I do not agree with this principle).

[1] https://nopara73.medium.com/bitcoin-core-vs-wasabi-wallet-network-level-privacy-bdca1d501387
I cannot recall if WasabiWallet was restricting downloads to a specific country (USA) or whether their previous versions that did allow a default co-ordinator could even be modified to use n alternative one therefore cannot compare the two points you raised about GingerWallet. What I will say is that when a company claims they are privacy focused but people can see many issues with those claims, it becomes harder for the company to win back confidence.

If GingerWallet decided for example to go on a promotion or advertising spree to market their service, it could work out for them but not if they have question marks over their privacy structure and people are discussing the flaws in forums. If they want to avoid going down the WasabiWallet route with regards to reputational damage, they will need to ensure they never have any links with anybody that has the mindset of Kruw (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=3534730) (and to immediately distance themselves if any claim of collaboration is made with someone like that) and they have to engage with customer/clients on some platforms. Even then, it might be difficult for them to succeed when people question how much privacy is actually afforded to people using their service.


Title: Re: 🔥 GingerWallet.io - Desktop, Non-custodial, Open source | #CoinJoin
Post by: NotATether on July 02, 2024, 08:03:32 AM
I cannot recall if WasabiWallet was restricting downloads to a specific country (USA) or whether their previous versions that did allow a default co-ordinator could even be modified to use n alternative one therefore cannot compare the two points you raised about GingerWallet. What I will say is that when a company claims they are privacy focused but people can see many issues with those claims, it becomes harder for the company to win back confidence.

Wasabi was not blocking US downloads until the FBI announcement. For the last two years it was only talk about a blacklisting mechanism getting implemented into the default coordinator (which ultimately never happened) until they took down their coordinator under external pressure.

Anyhow, this meme I generated 5 minutes ago gives people a good look at the state of this place nowadays:

https://www.talkimg.com/images/2024/07/02/oSZH2.png


Title: Re: 🔥 GingerWallet.io - Desktop, Non-custodial, Open source | #CoinJoin
Post by: ABCbits on July 02, 2024, 08:49:20 AM
--snip--
I cannot recall if WasabiWallet was restricting downloads to a specific country (USA) or whether their previous versions that did allow a default co-ordinator could even be modified to use n alternative one therefore cannot compare the two points you raised about GingerWallet.
--snip--

About that, their blog state they block U.S. resident and citizen from download and access any of their service[1]. Although 5 days later, they also write blog which state they discontinue their CoinJoin coordinator service[2].

The only positive thing is that this wallet may be an option for those who are afraid of associating coinjoin with money laundering, although there are no guarantees from that coinjoin-ed coins will have a good AML record(I do not agree with this principle).

Although it's worth to note some exchange/service simply decide not to accept any kind of mixed/coinjoined coins.

[1] https://blog.wasabiwallet.io/zksnacks-now-blocking-u-s-residents-and-citizens/ (https://blog.wasabiwallet.io/zksnacks-now-blocking-u-s-residents-and-citizens/)
[2] https://blog.wasabiwallet.io/ (https://blog.wasabiwallet.io/)


Title: Re: 🔥 GingerWallet.io - Desktop, Non-custodial, Open source | #CoinJoin
Post by: DaveF on July 02, 2024, 11:40:48 AM
...Wasabi was not blocking US downloads until the FBI announcement. For the last two years it was only talk about a blacklisting mechanism getting implemented into the default coordinator (which ultimately never happened) until they took down their coordinator under external pressure....

I thought they did have the blacklisting in the coordinator. Or was is just there and checking but not doing anything?

Either way as for your meme I don't think that blocking is fine. And I don't think a lot of people here think blocking is fine.

But, what seems to be happening is more people throwing their hands up and saying fine, you don't care, they don't care, I do care but I am not going to fight over it. You do you and I'll do me and if you want to use those services fine. Could be we are all getting old and grumpy or just burnt from fighting the battles that a lot of people don't care about and don't want to win.

BTC / crypto in general:

As a BTC user who has to at times use regulated exchanges I have never had an issue with any coins I have sent to them. Could be luck, or it could be just using my head about who I accept money from. IRL I don't deal with or take cash from people who I see as sketchy. I also don't deal with them online. Yes it's subjective and I am probably frequently wrong, but it's worked for me so far. If / when it stops working for me doing things then it will be time to figure something else out.

-Dave



Title: Re: 🔥 GingerWallet.io - Desktop, Non-custodial, Open source | #CoinJoin
Post by: JollyGood on July 02, 2024, 12:01:41 PM
Not I am defending their actions but maybe those blog entries could simply be down to the fact that they were under heavy pressure from their own legal team which advised them to those steps. If not, maybe it was as a result of their own concerns that they could be facing future legal woes and decided to take drastic action as a precaution after Samourai Wallet was closed down and their founders arrested being accused of $1.7 billion money laundering.

If I remember correctly, not that long ago zkSNACKs was either seeking investment or were selling some or all of their company and as a result the owners were going to receive a financial windfall. All that seems to have ended now but it make people ask why GingerWallet would start up using the very same tools (via the fork) that WasabiWallet discontinued using in their attempt to protect themselves from any potential legal action.


--snip--
I cannot recall if WasabiWallet was restricting downloads to a specific country (USA) or whether their previous versions that did allow a default co-ordinator could even be modified to use n alternative one therefore cannot compare the two points you raised about GingerWallet.
--snip--

About that, their blog state they block U.S. resident and citizen from download and access any of their service[1]. Although 5 days later, they also write blog which state they discontinue their CoinJoin coordinator service[2].


Title: Re: 🔥 GingerWallet.io - Desktop, Non-custodial, Open source | #CoinJoin
Post by: Husna QA on July 03, 2024, 04:45:16 AM
Previously, I tried the Ginger wallet, and it turns out that some wallets that I had created in the Wasabi wallet were automatically detected in the Ginger wallet.
It is understandable because the Ginger wallet is a fork of Wasabi. So, the hierarchy of folders and wallets can be used with each other.
This is a plus point for those that were using WasabiWallet but stopped because their default co-ordinator was removed. They could use GingerWallet and retain previous WasabiWallet folders or keep using WasabiWallet but modify the GingerWallet api link. Either way there is a benefit for those that want to keep using these wallets.

Therefore, both wallets should not be run at the same time.

In addition, previously, when I tried the Wasabi wallet and activated the Bitcoin Knots option, the setting automatically added configuration to the bitcoin.conf file in the Bitcoin Core file directory. The disablewallet setting becomes active (= 1), so the wallet is not displayed when Bitcoin Core is run. These settings must be changed manually to display the wallet on Bitcoin Core.


Title: Re: 🔥 GingerWallet.io - Desktop, Non-custodial, Open source | #CoinJoin
Post by: JollyGood on July 03, 2024, 08:15:03 AM
Like most others posting here, I only heard about them reading this thread. If anybody wanted to use this wallet to test functions or coinjoins, they probably would have uninstalled WasabiWallet entirely (or never used it in the past) and would not know about issues when running simultaneously.

I am probably correct when I say the number of WasabiWallet users was most probably on the decline since controversy surrounding blockchain analysis became part of the conversation and it fell must have fallen significantly after they removed their default co-ordinator therefore not many people would have downloaded GingerWallet to use at the same time.

This is a plus point for those that were using WasabiWallet but stopped because their default co-ordinator was removed. They could use GingerWallet and retain previous WasabiWallet folders or keep using WasabiWallet but modify the GingerWallet api link. Either way there is a benefit for those that want to keep using these wallets.

Therefore, both wallets should not be run at the same time.

In addition, previously, when I tried the Wasabi wallet and activated the Bitcoin Knots option, the setting automatically added configuration to the bitcoin.conf file in the Bitcoin Core file directory. The disablewallet setting becomes active (= 1), so the wallet is not displayed when Bitcoin Core is run. These settings must be changed manually to display the wallet on Bitcoin Core.


Title: Re: 🔥 GingerWallet.io - Desktop, Non-custodial, Open source | #CoinJoin
Post by: NotATether on July 03, 2024, 09:31:46 AM
...Wasabi was not blocking US downloads until the FBI announcement. For the last two years it was only talk about a blacklisting mechanism getting implemented into the default coordinator (which ultimately never happened) until they took down their coordinator under external pressure....

I thought they did have the blacklisting in the coordinator. Or was is just there and checking but not doing anything?

No. It was on their TODO list but they never came around to actually implementing it, according to the Wasabi wallet documentation somewhere.


Title: Re: 🔥 GingerWallet.io - Desktop, Non-custodial, Open source | #CoinJoin
Post by: PrivacyG on July 03, 2024, 07:42:37 PM
Anyhow, this meme I generated 5 minutes ago gives people a good look at the state of this place nowadays:
The entire situation got my mind messed up too if I am being honest.

Realistically, there will probably be no way soon enough to hold your own Privacy and particularly to distribute a way for others to hold their own Privacy with out having repercussions from agencies such as FBI, CIA or other Authorities.  This is clear as day and the more options we will have, the harsher I suppose they will become.  And as much as I would love to offer others a way to have Privacy, I am not convinced I would be willing to risk my Freedom or the Safety and Security of my family for it.

So as much as I really wish we could go back and live the days when Know Your Customer was not even a thing around Bitcoin, I know reality speaks otherwise and I do get why some of them choose to obey rather than protest.  No body guarantees you can change the world by protesting.  If anything, you may end up changing only your life for the worst while the rest of the people move on.

Know Your Customer is bad.  Really, really bad and progressively damaging to our Privacy.  Privacy is more important in my opinion than EVER before in the world we live in.  Chain Analysis works in conjunction with Know Your Customer to progressively damage what I would always fight for.  Privacy.  But having Privacy is becoming an evident risk to every body.

For now, I know there are still ways to avoid a Ginger Wallet Black list and I am happy there is even THIS option of avoidance.  I would continue arguing how this Chain Analysis they are using is as useless as the one Wasabi wanted to implement and how the only thing it helps with is promoting the lack of Privacy and Freedom, but I already know the arguments would end up being a waste of time.  We know Chain Analysis is not accurate.  Even an accuracy of 99.9 percent is still extremely low, particularly considering many of us do multiple Coin Joins and the 'low chance of being a false positive' becomes an actually much higher chance.  This is to me an irrevocable answer.  Chain Analysis is useless and only a burden to us Bitcoin users.

The United States ban is just as useless and can still be avoided through work arounds.  What made me most furious is watching so called Privacy advocates coming with arguments pro Censorship and trying to convince every body who is also a Privacy advocate that Censorship is good.  I will never be pro Censorship but I understand why some Services resort to it.  What I will never accept is what I just said.  Trying to manipulate every body else into believing B S.


Title: Re: 🔥 GingerWallet.io - Desktop, Non-custodial, Open source | #CoinJoin
Post by: hugeblack on July 05, 2024, 05:58:35 AM

Therefore, both wallets should not be run at the same time.
This is not supposed to happen because in the end, GingerWallet is a Wasabi fork. You can now run the Ginger coordinator on the Wasabi wallet or run any other coordinator, while downloading GingerWallet means that you will use one coordinator.
In the future, the development of both wallets will be independent, and then the features of downloading GingerWallet will be limited.


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Privacy can be at the protocol level. We have BitcoinCash CashFusion (the only problem will be high transaction fees) or a complete privacy update, as happened with litecoin MimbleWimble.


Title: Re: 🔥 GingerWallet.io - Desktop, Non-custodial, Open source | #CoinJoin
Post by: ABCbits on July 06, 2024, 09:01:59 AM

Therefore, both wallets should not be run at the same time.
This is not supposed to happen because in the end, GingerWallet is a Wasabi fork. You can now run the Ginger coordinator on the Wasabi wallet or run any other coordinator, while downloading GingerWallet means that you will use one coordinator.
In the future, the development of both wallets will be independent, and then the features of downloading GingerWallet will be limited.

I just tried installing Ginger Wallet after installing Wasabi Wallet on Debian VM, where it seems what @Husna QA is true.

1. Ginger simply overwrite Wasabi installation.

Code:
$ sudo dpkg -i Ginger-2.0.9.deb 
[sudo] password for user:
(Reading database ... 193229 files and directories currently installed.)
Preparing to unpack Ginger-2.0.9.deb ...
Unpacking wassabee (2.0.9) over (2.0.8) ...
Setting up wassabee (2.0.9) ...
{"success": true}
Processing triggers for mailcap (3.70+nmu1) ...
Processing triggers for desktop-file-utils (0.26-1) ...
Processing triggers for hicolor-icon-theme (0.17-2) ...

2. After i open Ginger app, it detect wallet file i created using Wasabi app. I don't see any newly created directory (such as .gingerwallet) on my home directory either.

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Privacy can be at the protocol level. We have BitcoinCash CashFusion (the only problem will be high transaction fees) or a complete privacy update, as happened with litecoin MimbleWimble.

That's true, although who knows if majority of Bitcoin owner would agree of adding such privacy feature knowing LTC got delisted by some exchange after doing that.


Title: Re: 🔥 GingerWallet.io - Desktop, Non-custodial, Open source | #CoinJoin
Post by: Wind_FURY on July 06, 2024, 10:19:48 AM
I literally just said that Wasabi Wallet needs to be forked and be more like how Linux has different "flavors", and here's one that arrived as soon as the community needed it.

👍

It's obvious that like many open source projects themselves, to secure their continued development and secure its future, the code should be forked and be made redundant with a wider group of developers working on them.


Title: Re: 🔥 GingerWallet.io - Desktop, Non-custodial, Open source | #CoinJoin
Post by: BlackHatCoiner on July 06, 2024, 12:16:33 PM
2. After i open Ginger app, it detect wallet file i created using Wasabi app. I don't see any newly created directory (such as .gingerwallet) on my home directory either.
Ginger is a fork of Wasabi, that's written in their main page:
Ginger Wallet forked from Wasabi Wallet. A new coordinator with an active coinjoin service has been established.

Still, not reasonable not to create another data dir, so that Wasabi and Ginger can coexist in the same computer. It's safe to say that Ginger is like a Wasabi coordinator with some extra modifications in the client. You can use their coordinator from Wasabi by pointing to "https://api.gingerwallet.io/", although they recommend to use their client for long-term reliability:
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We strongly recommend using the Ginger Wallet client for long-term reliability!


Title: Re: 🔥 GingerWallet.io - Desktop, Non-custodial, Open source | #CoinJoin
Post by: hugeblack on July 06, 2024, 02:34:38 PM

I just tried installing Ginger Wallet after installing Wasabi Wallet on Debian VM, where it seems what @Husna QA is true.

1. Ginger simply overwrite Wasabi installation.
For this reason, I called Ginger Wallet as a copy-paste rather than a fork. The developer’s response was that they are focusing on marketing and development will come later.
so in the coming versions you can run Ginger and wasabi


ALTT --->https://www.altcoinstalks.com/index.php?topic=321816.msg1570962#msg1570962

years of privacy research and development?? It is zkSNACKs/WalletWasabi fork and some parts of the code were copied and pasted as is.

There was no copy-pasting, it was purely a fork plus minor changes (rebranding, coordinator URI). In the first period, Ginger's team will be focusing on marking to spread the news.
FTR the development of Wasabi Wallet didn't stop, it will be continued as an open source project, so anyone can continue. Their direction indeed changed. Since zkSANCKs coordinator stopped operating, they now want to make Wasabi Wallet to be able to connect to any other coordinator. It turned out that currently, the client (Wasabi) is not fully secure against malicious coordinators so their last release tried to mitigate this issue.



Title: Re: 🔥 GingerWallet.io - Desktop, Non-custodial, Open source | #CoinJoin
Post by: ABCbits on July 07, 2024, 08:19:18 AM
2. After i open Ginger app, it detect wallet file i created using Wasabi app. I don't see any newly created directory (such as .gingerwallet) on my home directory either.
Ginger is a fork of Wasabi, that's written in their main page:
Ginger Wallet forked from Wasabi Wallet. A new coordinator with an active coinjoin service has been established.

Still, not reasonable not to create another data dir, so that Wasabi and Ginger can coexist in the same computer. It's safe to say that Ginger is like a Wasabi coordinator with some extra modifications in the client.

I'm aware Ginger is fork of Wasabi before writing that post. Anyway, aside from different data directory, they should put effort not to replacing existing Wasabi installation/binary.

You can use their coordinator from Wasabi by pointing to "https://api.gingerwallet.io/", although they recommend to use their client for long-term reliability:
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We strongly recommend using the Ginger Wallet client for long-term reliability!

I wonder if it's just generic disclaimer to encourage people use their client or they plan to make addition/change on CoinJoin feature.


Title: Re: 🔥 GingerWallet.io - Desktop, Non-custodial, Open source | #CoinJoin
Post by: NotATether on July 07, 2024, 08:26:29 AM
2. After i open Ginger app, it detect wallet file i created using Wasabi app. I don't see any newly created directory (such as .gingerwallet) on my home directory either.

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That is just laziness. There is no reason why they couldn't have created their own config directory and then just restore the wallet with the recovery words. They didn't even bother to change the name of the .deb package - it's still wassabee.

I wonder if it's just generic disclaimer to encourage people use their client or they plan to make addition/change on CoinJoin feature.

It's just marketing BS and there's nothing different about their API unless blacklisting is fascinating to you.



I can't believe I'm actually bad-mouthing a wallet right off the bat. Usually wallets only have a few problems, which is understandable, but this product looks like a rushed release with barely any development effort put into it.


Title: Re: 🔥 GingerWallet.io - Desktop, Non-custodial, Open source | #CoinJoin
Post by: Wind_FURY on July 07, 2024, 08:40:23 AM
2. After i open Ginger app, it detect wallet file i created using Wasabi app. I don't see any newly created directory (such as .gingerwallet) on my home directory either.
Ginger is a fork of Wasabi, that's written in their main page:
Ginger Wallet forked from Wasabi Wallet. A new coordinator with an active coinjoin service has been established.


Still, not reasonable not to create another data dir, so that Wasabi and Ginger can coexist in the same computer. It's safe to say that Ginger is like a Wasabi coordinator with some extra modifications in the client. You can use their coordinator from Wasabi by pointing to "https://api.gingerwallet.io/", although they recommend to use their client for long-term reliability:

Quote
We strongly recommend using the Ginger Wallet client for long-term reliability!


I will sound that I'm nit-picking, although I agree that software/apps that fork from the original should be made easy to coexist with the original in the same computer. But how are their coordinators exactly the same? That they both use the services of some blockchain analytics companies to filter "tainted" outputs?

2. After i open Ginger app, it detect wallet file i created using Wasabi app. I don't see any newly created directory (such as .gingerwallet) on my home directory either.

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That is just laziness.


I encourage everyone to always give the benefit of the doubt, but if that's actually true, then the laziness of the developers will make the fork worse than the original because fork will inherit the flaws/bugs/exploits of the original and the "lazy developers" of the fork might not fix it without depending on the developers of the original.


Title: Re: 🔥 GingerWallet.io - Desktop, Non-custodial, Open source | #CoinJoin
Post by: PrivacyG on July 07, 2024, 03:41:43 PM
I encourage everyone to always give the benefit of the doubt, but if that's actually true, then the laziness of the developers will make the fork worse than the original because fork will inherit the flaws/bugs/exploits of the original and the "lazy developers" of the fork might not fix it without depending on the developers of the original.
Exactly why this was the first question that came up in my mind,

I wonder, is Ginger Wallet going to continue only tweaking future versions of Wasabi or are they going an entirely separate path and looking to build a separate Product?

I thought I would be called out for being paranoid first so I removed part of my Reply.  But I asked that question because if they are NOT following an entirely separate path then they are some what if not entirely dependent on the work of Wasabi.  If today Wasabi releases a new update and it takes another few days for Ginger to work on it and tweak it to their own rebranding, then to me it sounds like the Security of Ginger Wallet is at least a little bit less since Ginger is going to pretty much be in a constant delay of Update releases, putting Users at risk too particularly if a new Wasabi update involves a crucial fix for Privacy or Security issues found.

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For this reason, I called Ginger Wallet as a copy-paste rather than a fork.
There was no copy-pasting, it was purely a fork plus minor changes (rebranding, coordinator URI).
It sounds very much like copy pasting to me.  Are 'Forks' not copy pastes?  If I Forked Bitcoin Talk only to rebrand it with my own logo, I am pretty sure it would be a copy of Bitcoin Talk but rebranded to my liking?

The developer’s response was that they are focusing on marketing and development will come later.
This is disappointing.  Why is advertising a copy of what already exists more important than finishing their Product first to show us what they can do?  Putting Marketing first on a Product that speaks 'laziness' out loud seems like the worst way to introduce themselves.


Title: Re: 🔥 GingerWallet.io - Desktop, Non-custodial, Open source | #CoinJoin
Post by: BlackHatCoiner on July 07, 2024, 04:14:50 PM
I will sound that I'm not-picking, although I agree that software/apps that fork from the original should be made easy to coexist with the original in the same computer. But how are their coordinators exactly the same? That they both use the services of some blockchain analytics companies to filter "tainted" outputs?
No. When I say they are the same, I mean their software is probably the same. The coordinator software (as you've probably heard many times already  :P ) is open-source, available for everyone to download and setup, in Github. As per my knowledge, there is no guide from Wasabi that shows step-by-step how to spin off your own coordinator, but I've come across this:
If you want to create your own Wabisabi coordinator, you can do so by using BTCPay Server and Wasabi Wallet. Here's a step-by-step guide:

   1. Set up a BTCPay Server instance by following the installation instructions: https://docs.btcpayserver.org/Deployment/
   2. Install the Wasabi Wallet plugin on your BTCPay Server instance.
   3. Configure the Wasabi Wallet plugin settings, including the coordinator settings, according to your preferences.
   4. Start the Wasabi Wallet coordinator on your BTCPay Server instance.
   5. Share the coordinator URL with others or add it to the Wabisator list to make it discoverable.

For detailed instructions and more information, please refer to the BTCPay Server documentation: https://docs.btcpayserver.org/Wabisabi/

Therefore, by setting up BTCPay Server, you can have your own coordinator, and probably all of these coordinators use the software from the original repository, each with its own configuration. (Like fee policy.)

Putting Marketing first on a Product that speaks 'laziness' out loud seems like the worst way to introduce themselves.
They prioritize marketing, likely because they learned from the mistakes of another company that ruined its entire reputation through a marketing failure. Any such company comes to mind?  :D


Title: Re: 🔥 GingerWallet.io - Desktop, Non-custodial, Open source | #CoinJoin
Post by: Pmalek on July 08, 2024, 07:35:03 AM
There is a possibility they concluded having blockchain analysis will help shield them in the event they were ever charged with any crimes such as money laundering.
That wouldn't make sense. If the authorities consider the act of coinjoining to be illicit because it provides you with a level of privacy they don't want to see, then using such a coinjoin-enabling service wouldn't be allowed (or it would be frowned upon) by default. Blockchain analysis does nothing to stop coinjoining. All it does is it sells the notion of bitcoin taint and dirty coins to those who want to purchase it. The coinjoining still happens with or without blockchain analysis.


Title: Re: 🔥 GingerWallet.io - Desktop, Non-custodial, Open source | #CoinJoin
Post by: JollyGood on July 08, 2024, 08:59:59 AM
I agree, I see your point however the fact of the matter is GingerWallet was created by forking WasabiWallet and when they did they decided to use blockchain analysis when they easily could have chosen to exclude it. Furthermore, their terms and conditions clearly state the service is not open to US citizens. The logic of adding these two clauses demonstrate a pre-emotive move. I am curious, if not to do it to demonstrate to US authorities, then why do it?

About the blockchain analysis, with WasabiWallet I was under the impression coinjoining would not go ahead if the coins were analysed and deemed to be suspicious/taint and have the same impression from the GingerWallet fork. Maybe I understood it wrong.

There is a possibility they concluded having blockchain analysis will help shield them in the event they were ever charged with any crimes such as money laundering.
That wouldn't make sense. If the authorities consider the act of coinjoining to be illicit because it provides you with a level of privacy they don't want to see, then using such a coinjoin-enabling service wouldn't be allowed (or it would be frowned upon) by default. Blockchain analysis does nothing to stop coinjoining. All it does is it sells the notion of bitcoin taint and dirty coins to those who want to purchase it. The coinjoining still happens with or without blockchain analysis.


Title: Re: 🔥 GingerWallet.io - Desktop, Non-custodial, Open source | #CoinJoin
Post by: Pmalek on July 08, 2024, 11:22:24 AM
I agree, I see your point however the fact of the matter is GingerWallet was created by forking WasabiWallet and when they did they decided to use blockchain analysis when they easily could have chosen to exclude it. Furthermore, their terms and conditions clearly state the service is not open to US citizens. The logic of adding these two clauses demonstrate a pre-emotive move. I am curious, if not to do it to demonstrate to US authorities, then why do it?
To make it seem like they have done everything they can to block US citizens from using the service. But that restriction only prevents US IP addresses from accessing the website and downloading the wallet. They can easily bypass this with VPNs. If, after that, the wallet has a way to monitor and check that it's not being used by US citizens, then what kind of privacy are we talking about? And like I said previously, if we are moving towards a future where privacy-preserving services aren't welcome (and we are), the governments aren't going to make it easier for you just because you have terms meant to block certain people from using the service. Remember, they don't want the service to exist in the first place.

About the blockchain analysis, with WasabiWallet I was under the impression coinjoining would not go ahead if the coins were analysed and deemed to be suspicious/taint and have the same impression from the GingerWallet fork. Maybe I understood it wrong.
That's correct. You didn't misunderstand. If the blockchain analysis partner shows thumbs down, those coins can't be used in coinjoin rounds.


Title: Re: 🔥 GingerWallet.io - Desktop, Non-custodial, Open source | #CoinJoin
Post by: Wind_FURY on July 08, 2024, 11:38:52 AM
I encourage everyone to always give the benefit of the doubt, but if that's actually true, then the laziness of the developers will make the fork worse than the original because fork will inherit the flaws/bugs/exploits of the original and the "lazy developers" of the fork might not fix it without depending on the developers of the original.
Exactly why this was the first question that came up in my mind,

I wonder, is Ginger Wallet going to continue only tweaking future versions of Wasabi or are they going an entirely separate path and looking to build a separate Product?

I thought I would be called out for being paranoid first so I removed part of my Reply.  But I asked that question because if they are NOT following an entirely separate path then they are some what if not entirely dependent on the work of Wasabi.  If today Wasabi releases a new update and it takes another few days for Ginger to work on it and tweak it to their own rebranding, then to me it sounds like the Security of Ginger Wallet is at least a little bit less since Ginger is going to pretty much be in a constant delay of Update releases, putting Users at risk too particularly if a new Wasabi update involves a crucial fix for Privacy or Security issues found.


If you use open source, you partly SHOULD be paranoid. You always verify checksums and/or PGP signatures, and do other tedious things. Sometimes you could get very paranoid, you need to install and run it in a VM in another computer. https://cdn.imgchest.com/files/6yxkca3aae7.jpeg

But for the developers of Ginger Wallet, if they're actually good, they should find flaws/bugs and patch them up, make UI/UX better for users, it's also their responsibility to find exploits and take advantage of them then report what they discovered.


Title: Re: 🔥 GingerWallet.io - Desktop, Non-custodial, Open source | #CoinJoin
Post by: JollyGood on July 26, 2024, 09:52:47 AM
Customers not knowing whether they will be allowed to coinjoin is counterproductive to those wanting to use their service.

I do not understand which logic they would apply to create a service based on Wasabi Wallet yet when they forked it instead of removing the same modifications that caused Wasabi Wallet to suffer an enormous loss of reputation, they have kept them implemented even though they knew how the community would react. The question arises, why would they launch a product that will probably not gain traction when they already know blockchain analysis of customers transactions is not accepted by the majority of people in the first place.

About the blockchain analysis, with WasabiWallet I was under the impression coinjoining would not go ahead if the coins were analysed and deemed to be suspicious/taint and have the same impression from the GingerWallet fork. Maybe I understood it wrong.
That's correct. You didn't misunderstand. If the blockchain analysis partner shows thumbs down, those coins can't be used in coinjoin rounds.


Title: Re: 🔥 GingerWallet.io - Desktop, Non-custodial, Open source | #CoinJoin
Post by: NotATether on July 26, 2024, 10:55:06 AM
Customers not knowing whether they will be allowed to coinjoin is counterproductive to those wanting to use their service.

I do not understand which logic they would apply to create a service based on Wasabi Wallet yet when they forked it instead of removing the same modifications that caused Wasabi Wallet to suffer an enormous loss of reputation, they have kept them implemented even though they knew how the community would react. The question arises, why would they launch a product that will probably not gain traction when they already know blockchain analysis of customers transactions is not accepted by the majority of people in the first place.

It's a wolf in sheep's clothing. Just like AMLbot (sends all your addresses to law enforcement). I don't even understand why their developer or rep isn't writing on this thread.


Title: Re: 🔥 GingerWallet.io - Desktop, Non-custodial, Open source | #CoinJoin
Post by: JollyGood on July 26, 2024, 04:36:19 PM
I have not seem any posts from a Ginger Wallet forum account, maybe they are not interested in engaging with members of the forum after they studied the way members interacted with Kruw (as a so-called Wasabi Wallet contributor that might or might not have actually been employed by zkSNACKs). Or maybe this thread is a pre-cursor to them getting ready to start engaging with members, we do not know but they should have at least started posting here by now.

It's a wolf in sheep's clothing. Just like AMLbot (sends all your addresses to law enforcement). I don't even understand why their developer or rep isn't writing on this thread.


Title: Re: 🔥 GingerWallet.io - Desktop, Non-custodial, Open source | #CoinJoin
Post by: NotATether on July 27, 2024, 10:46:21 AM
I have not seem any posts from a Ginger Wallet forum account, maybe they are not interested in engaging with members of the forum after they studied the way members interacted with Kruw (as a so-called Wasabi Wallet contributor that might or might not have actually been employed by zkSNACKs). Or maybe this thread is a pre-cursor to them getting ready to start engaging with members, we do not know but they should have at least started posting here by now.

There is one account on the altcoinstalks forum belonging to a Ginger Wallet rep which has talked about their wallet on that thread - I've talked to it too - but it's just weird how they're just having @icopress create an ANN thread on Bitcointalk but they never show up themselves. It's not like they are banned or anything.


Title: Re: 🔥 GingerWallet.io - Desktop, Non-custodial, Open source | #CoinJoin
Post by: SFR10 on July 27, 2024, 11:38:50 AM
I have not seem any posts from a Ginger Wallet forum account,
but it's just weird how they're just having @icopress create an ANN thread on Bitcointalk but they never show up themselves.
One of their representatives [sztest (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=3637868)] used to be somewhat active when he/she created an announcement "thread (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5500013.0)" prior to this one, but they locked it because of this thread.
- The only other place where I'm seeing some recent activities is in one of their GitHub repositories.


Title: Re: 🔥 GingerWallet.io - Desktop, Non-custodial, Open source | #CoinJoin
Post by: JollyGood on July 27, 2024, 08:37:11 PM
There is one account on the altcoinstalks forum belonging to a Ginger Wallet rep which has talked about their wallet on that thread - I've talked to it too - but it's just weird how they're just having @icopress create an ANN thread on Bitcointalk but they never show up themselves. It's not like they are banned or anything.
Maybe icopress was creating the thread in the run-up to them giving the go-ahead for a signature campaign. It is possible something could be happening behind the scenes and just a few people are privy to it. Keeping that to one side, if a Ginger Wallet representative is active on other forums it really would be helpful if they were also active here too because there a lot of questions being asked.

One of their representatives [sztest (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=3637868)] used to be somewhat active when he/she created an announcement "thread (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5500013.0)" prior to this one, but they locked it because of this thread.
- The only other place where I'm seeing some recent activities is in one of their GitHub repositories.
I was unaware of that thread and the account. It was created on 15th June 2024 and last active on 3rd July 2024. Maybe they have given up trying to use this forum as a means to attract a customer/user base.


Title: Re: 🔥 GingerWallet.io - Desktop, Non-custodial, Open source | #CoinJoin
Post by: GingerWallet on August 15, 2024, 08:14:11 AM
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* New Feature: One-click transaction viewing on mempool.space.
* Enhancements: Improved CoinJoin checks, fee estimation, and bug fixes.
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Update now for a smoother, faster Bitcoin experience!
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Mod note: Consecutive posts merged


Title: Re: 🔥 GingerWallet.io - Desktop, Non-custodial, Open source | #CoinJoin
Post by: NotATether on August 15, 2024, 08:59:04 AM
Why the multi-posting? You should just keep everything in one post at a time instead of posting consecutively.


Title: Re: 🔥 GingerWallet.io - Desktop, Non-custodial, Open source | #CoinJoin
Post by: icopress on August 15, 2024, 09:23:34 AM
Why the multi-posting? You should just keep everything in one post at a time instead of posting consecutively.
Ginger, new to the forum... just give them some time to get their bearings.  ;)


Title: Re: 🔥 GingerWallet.io - Desktop, Non-custodial, Open source | #CoinJoin
Post by: GingerWallet on August 16, 2024, 10:21:23 AM
Since we operate as a company, a coin verifier solution is essential. This will not impact the average user.
Apologies if any of your questions have gone unanswered. What are they, and how can we assist you?

It seems they are implementing the same use of third party blockchain analysis companies as WasabiWallet did therefore why do it when they saw how fast WasabiWallet lost trust and reputation because of it?
As long as Ginger Wallet is entirely Transparent, I presume they can build a much stronger reputation around their name and Product.  Wasabi lost their reputation because of the way they handled the situation.

Working with Blockchain Analysis is understandable for a team of people who are not willing to compromise their own Safety and Freedom for a Product.  When lies come out, they doxx competitors et cetera, you probably naturally start questioning their real motives.  We never got answers for so many of our questions besides avoidance and 'I do not know', so the situation only became worse and worse.

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Got a few curiosities.

I wonder, is Ginger Wallet going to continue only tweaking future versions of Wasabi or are they going an entirely separate path and looking to build a separate Product?

FREE under 0.01 BTC!
This is a great incentive for new users who want to test it out or have small Inputs.  But can this be some how 'abused' by Ginger users resulting in spamming the Blockchain with unnecessary Transactions?  As in splitting their holdings into Inputs of 0.01 Bitcoin so they can avoid the Fees?  In my head, it would cost just about as much or even more if you did this than if you just paid the Fee, so I may be well wrong.

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A little note.  On a non Java Script browser, many of the images do not show up.


Title: Re: 🔥 GingerWallet.io - Desktop, Non-custodial, Open source | #CoinJoin
Post by: JollyGood on August 19, 2024, 06:55:49 PM
I used GingerWallet with their default gingerwallet co-ordinator because I wanted to know how much time the coin join took to reach 100% and wanted to check the fees incurred.

Ginger Wallet via their co-ordinator are supposed to take fees of 0.3% for deposits that are 0.01 BTC and above, the rest are supposed to be mining fees. In my case, the total deduction when it reached 100% was significantly higher than I expected and the time it took to get there was in double digit hours.

Rather than use a calculator to work out 0.3% from the actual deposit and then assume the difference from the balance is the mining fee, is there a simple way to categorically ascertain how much of the deduction is the co-ordinator fee and how much of it is the mining fee?


Apologies if any of your questions have gone unanswered. What are they, and how can we assist you?


Title: Re: 🔥 GingerWallet.io - Desktop, Non-custodial, Open source | #CoinJoin
Post by: GingerWallet on August 20, 2024, 07:59:46 AM
Both Wasabi and Ginger clients aim to avoid generating 'change.' In other words, all coins should be consolidated into specific denominations (those values that are generated by all clients). This means the difference should stay below a certain minimum output amount, which is set at 10,000 satoshis for Ginger. (It’s widely believed that change negatively impacts privacy). However, this can become a significant issue if the client can only participate with low-value coins.

If only a small amount of money remains, it’s advised not to coinjoin (this applies to all clients), as you'll lose an average of 3-5k satoshis per round on top of the mining fee. There's almost certainly no coordinator fee involved.

The mining fee can be calculated, but in an environment with a rate of 3-4 sat/vbyte, it shouldn't be a major expense by itself. The vbyte is roughly 70 times the size of the input coin and 30 times the size of the output coin, and you multiply this by the mining fee. At a rate of 4 satoshis, the cost will be around 3,000-4,000 satoshis (independent of the client, assuming an average number of input/output coins).


I used GingerWallet with their default gingerwallet co-ordinator because I wanted to know how much time the coin join took to reach 100% and wanted to check the fees incurred.

Ginger Wallet via their co-ordinator are supposed to take fees of 0.3% for deposits that are 0.01 BTC and above, the rest are supposed to be mining fees. In my case, the total deduction when it reached 100% was significantly higher than I expected and the time it took to get there was in double digit hours.

Rather than use a calculator to work out 0.3% from the actual deposit and then assume the difference from the balance is the mining fee, is there a simple way to categorically ascertain how much of the deduction is the co-ordinator fee and how much of it is the mining fee?


Apologies if any of your questions have gone unanswered. What are they, and how can we assist you?



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Title: Re: 🔥 GingerWallet.io - Desktop, Non-custodial, Open source | #CoinJoin
Post by: JollyGood on August 20, 2024, 09:34:43 AM
I will take a look at those figures to work out what happened. Does that mean when coin join reaches a latter part (around 80-90% upwards), it is better to not further coin join as only a small amount remains and it is better to use/move the already parts of the private funds before proceeding further and only after further funds have been added?

The next time I use Ginger Wallet I will change the default co-ordinator to Open Co-ordinator because they charge zero percent fees therefore all that should be deducted is the mining fee. The time it takes to reach 100% privacy will be a key comparator the time Ginger Wallet took.

Both Wasabi and Ginger clients aim to avoid generating 'change.' In other words, all coins should be consolidated into specific denominations (those values that are generated by all clients). This means the difference should stay below a certain minimum output amount, which is set at 10,000 satoshis for Ginger. (It’s widely believed that change negatively impacts privacy). However, this can become a significant issue if the client can only participate with low-value coins.

If only a small amount of money remains, it’s advised not to coinjoin (this applies to all clients), as you'll lose an average of 3-5k satoshis per round on top of the mining fee. There's almost certainly no coordinator fee involved.

The mining fee can be calculated, but in an environment with a rate of 3-4 sat/vbyte, it shouldn't be a major expense by itself. The vbyte is roughly 70 times the size of the input coin and 30 times the size of the output coin, and you multiply this by the mining fee. At a rate of 4 satoshis, the cost will be around 3,000-4,000 satoshis (independent of the client, assuming an average number of input/output coins).


Title: Re: 🔥 GingerWallet.io - Desktop, Non-custodial, Open source | #CoinJoin
Post by: GingerWallet on August 20, 2024, 12:58:23 PM
I will take a look at those figures to work out what happened. Does that mean when coin join reaches a latter part (around 80-90% upwards), it is better to not further coin join as only a small amount remains and it is better to use/move the already parts of the private funds before proceeding further and only after further funds have been added?

The next time I use Ginger Wallet I will change the default co-ordinator to Open Co-ordinator because they charge zero percent fees therefore all that should be deducted is the mining fee. The time it takes to reach 100% privacy will be a key comparator the time Ginger Wallet took.

Both Wasabi and Ginger clients aim to avoid generating 'change.' In other words, all coins should be consolidated into specific denominations (those values that are generated by all clients). This means the difference should stay below a certain minimum output amount, which is set at 10,000 satoshis for Ginger. (It’s widely believed that change negatively impacts privacy). However, this can become a significant issue if the client can only participate with low-value coins.

If only a small amount of money remains, it’s advised not to coinjoin (this applies to all clients), as you'll lose an average of 3-5k satoshis per round on top of the mining fee. There's almost certainly no coordinator fee involved.

The mining fee can be calculated, but in an environment with a rate of 3-4 sat/vbyte, it shouldn't be a major expense by itself. The vbyte is roughly 70 times the size of the input coin and 30 times the size of the output coin, and you multiply this by the mining fee. At a rate of 4 satoshis, the cost will be around 3,000-4,000 satoshis (independent of the client, assuming an average number of input/output coins).

You can always check your coins and their privacy level at the wallet's coin list or at the coinjoin bar. At opencoordinator you will also lose the "change" money, this is a client thing, not a server side thing. The client decides not to create change.

Also please consider using the Ginger Wallet directly, it can be installed parallel to Wasabi, has slightly different coinjoin solutions. Only one can run at a time though.

Also don't forget that we will have a free weekend.


Title: Re: 🔥 GingerWallet.io - Desktop, Non-custodial, Open source | #CoinJoin
Post by: JollyGood on August 21, 2024, 05:46:17 PM
I did not look in to either Wasabi Wallet, Ginger Wallet or Open Co-ordinator enough to know about any of these operating a system that facilitates users to lose change as a trade-off for increased privacy. A side question, you were probably hoping for more activity in this thread therefore does it concern you there in not much traction in this forum regarding your Ginger Wallet product?

You can always check your coins and their privacy level at the wallet's coin list or at the coinjoin bar. At opencoordinator you will also lose the "change" money, this is a client thing, not a server side thing. The client decides not to create change.

Also please consider using the Ginger Wallet directly, it can be installed parallel to Wasabi, has slightly different coinjoin solutions. Only one can run at a time though.

Also don't forget that we will have a free weekend.


Title: Re: 🔥 GingerWallet.io - Desktop, Non-custodial, Open source | #CoinJoin
Post by: GingerWallet on August 22, 2024, 01:25:31 PM
I did not look in to either Wasabi Wallet, Ginger Wallet or Open Co-ordinator enough to know about any of these operating a system that facilitates users to lose change as a trade-off for i creased privacy. A side question, you were probably hoping for more activity in this thread therefore does it concern you there in not much traction in this forum regarding your Ginger Wallet product?

You can always check your coins and their privacy level at the wallet's coin list or at the coinjoin bar. At opencoordinator you will also lose the "change" money, this is a client thing, not a server side thing. The client decides not to create change.

Also please consider using the Ginger Wallet directly, it can be installed parallel to Wasabi, has slightly different coinjoin solutions. Only one can run at a time though.

Also don't forget that we will have a free weekend.


Currently we are working on the client to distinguish ourselves and change this tendency.
Unfortunately this takes longer than expected, but we plan to release new client versions every 2-3 weeks for the next couple of months.


Title: Re: 🔥 GingerWallet.io - Desktop, Non-custodial, Open source | #CoinJoin
Post by: GingerWallet on August 23, 2024, 05:40:16 AM
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Title: Re: 🔥 GingerWallet.io - Desktop, Non-custodial, Open source | #CoinJoin
Post by: GingerWallet on August 24, 2024, 05:46:22 AM
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Title: Re: 🔥 GingerWallet.io - Desktop, Non-custodial, Open source | #CoinJoin
Post by: JollyGood on August 24, 2024, 08:13:37 AM
I cannot see why updating the client every 2-3 weeks is going to address issues about the product not being taken up by customers in huge numbers. I think the lack of awareness about the Ginger Wallet name/brand (and what the software actually does) is probably down to lack of awareness because of not having appropriate publicity targeting a suitable audience.

If more people were aware of the software maybe it would be have higher numbers of people using it. Also, the coin join analysis by Ginger Wallet could possibly be another factor behind people not downloading it.

A side question, you were probably hoping for more activity in this thread therefore does it concern you there in not much traction in this forum regarding your Ginger Wallet product?
Currently we are working on the client to distinguish ourselves and change this tendency.
Unfortunately this takes longer than expected, but we plan to release new client versions every 2-3 weeks for the next couple of months.


Title: Re: 🔥 GingerWallet.io - Desktop, Non-custodial, Open source | #CoinJoin
Post by: GingerWallet on September 05, 2024, 02:22:04 PM
We added Two-Factor Authentication (2FA) in our new release for more protection!
You can download the new version and read more on our website. https://gingerwallet.io


Title: Re: 🔥 GingerWallet.io - Desktop, Non-custodial, Open source | #CoinJoin
Post by: ABCbits on September 06, 2024, 08:55:26 AM
We added Two-Factor Authentication (2FA) in our new release for more protection!
You can download the new version and read more on our website. https://gingerwallet.io

Can you explain more how the 2FA works? I've read the FAQ just now and it seems the user depends on your server to obtain encryption key which used to encrypt/decrypt user's wallet files. If my understand is correct, what would happen if user lose access to their 2FA or your server isn't accessible?


Title: Re: 🔥 GingerWallet.io - Desktop, Non-custodial, Open source | #CoinJoin
Post by: NotATether on September 06, 2024, 02:07:37 PM
We added Two-Factor Authentication (2FA) in our new release for more protection!
You can download the new version and read more on our website. https://gingerwallet.io

Can you explain more how the 2FA works? I've read the FAQ just now and it seems the user depends on your server to obtain encryption key which used to encrypt/decrypt user's wallet files. If my understand is correct, what would happen if user lose access to their 2FA or your server isn't accessible?

Why does a wallet need 2FA?

It sounds like an implementation similar to Electrum x TrustedCoin, otherwise this makes no sense. Ginger wallet's website doesn't have a registration system.


Title: Re: 🔥 GingerWallet.io - Desktop, Non-custodial, Open source | #CoinJoin
Post by: GingerWallet on September 07, 2024, 08:31:08 AM
We added Two-Factor Authentication (2FA) in our new release for more protection!
You can download the new version and read more on our website. https://gingerwallet.io

Can you explain more how the 2FA works? I've read the FAQ just now and it seems the user depends on your server to obtain encryption key which used to encrypt/decrypt user's wallet files. If my understand is correct, what would happen if user lose access to their 2FA or your server isn't accessible?

Yes, that's right, the server stores an encryption key. If the 2fa server is not available, the wallet is not available. The user can reset it with the original 12 seed word and password.
This is inconvenient, but still better than someone getting the unencrypted file and keylogging the password (unfortunately we know of such a case).


Title: Re: 🔥 GingerWallet.io - Desktop, Non-custodial, Open source | #CoinJoin
Post by: GingerWallet on September 07, 2024, 08:34:32 AM
We added Two-Factor Authentication (2FA) in our new release for more protection!
You can download the new version and read more on our website. https://gingerwallet.io

Can you explain more how the 2FA works? I've read the FAQ just now and it seems the user depends on your server to obtain encryption key which used to encrypt/decrypt user's wallet files. If my understand is correct, what would happen if user lose access to their 2FA or your server isn't accessible?

Why does a wallet need 2FA?

It sounds like an implementation similar to Electrum x TrustedCoin, otherwise this makes no sense. Ginger wallet's website doesn't have a registration system.

I am not familiar with the Electrum's method of implantation, so I can't provide a direct comparison. As for Ginger, it does not involve any formal user registration. The "user ID," if you can even call it that, is simply a random sequence of bytes stored in 2fa_info.gws. This sequence is generated during the two-factor authentication (2FA) registration on the server side and contains no identifiable user information.

To simplify, the server merely responds to a predetermined random byte sequence (client-server ID) with another one (the wallet encryption key). This exchange ensures security without directly linking any user data to the process.


Title: Re: 🔥 GingerWallet.io - Desktop, Non-custodial, Open source | #CoinJoin
Post by: JollyGood on September 07, 2024, 08:42:04 AM
I did use Ginger Wallet once in the past because I wanted to know what the service was like and posted about it here (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5501302.msg64443284#msg64443284) mentioning the fee deductions and about wanting to test Open Coordinator if I used it again but that was on a previous version. Has anybody downloaded the latest version of Ginger Wallet either to coinjoin or to understand their 2FA or to simply take a look at it out of curiosity?

Why does a wallet need 2FA?

It sounds like an implementation similar to Electrum x TrustedCoin, otherwise this makes no sense. Ginger wallet's website doesn't have a registration system.


Title: Re: 🔥 GingerWallet.io - Desktop, Non-custodial, Open source | #CoinJoin
Post by: ABCbits on September 07, 2024, 08:48:50 AM
We added Two-Factor Authentication (2FA) in our new release for more protection!
You can download the new version and read more on our website. https://gingerwallet.io

Can you explain more how the 2FA works? I've read the FAQ just now and it seems the user depends on your server to obtain encryption key which used to encrypt/decrypt user's wallet files. If my understand is correct, what would happen if user lose access to their 2FA or your server isn't accessible?

Yes, that's right, the server stores an encryption key. If the 2fa server is not available, the wallet is not available. The user can reset it with the original 12 seed word and password.
This is inconvenient, but still better than someone getting the unencrypted file and keylogging the password (unfortunately we know of such a case).

I see. I only can hope those who use that feature backup their 12 seed words and password properly. Although by doing that, user would lose label on their TX or UTXO which could lead to worsening privacy.

--snip--
Why does a wallet need 2FA?

It sounds like an implementation similar to Electrum x TrustedCoin, otherwise this makes no sense. Ginger wallet's website doesn't have a registration system.

I have no knowledge of the Electrumos method of implantation, so I have no basis for comparison. Ginger has no registration. The "user id", if you can call it that, is contained in 2fa_info.gws, a completely random sequence of bytes, generated during 2fa registration on the server side. It cannot and does not store any user information. If I want to simplify it a lot, all that happens is that the server responds to a fixed random byte sequence (clientserverid) with another one (wallet encyption key).

Your and Electrum 2FA works differently. Electrum 2FA refers to 2-of-3 multi-sig wallet, where user provide correct 2FA to get his TX signed. In case the user lose 2FA or TrustedCoin not available, he can use seed words which contain 2 master private keys.



Title: Re: 🔥 GingerWallet.io - Desktop, Non-custodial, Open source | #CoinJoin
Post by: JollyGood on September 13, 2024, 09:17:06 AM
It seems another alteration that was made in your latest release was on the config file but you did not announce it.

In the previous version it was easy to edit the config file to add an alternative coordinator by modifying the line "MainNetCoordinatorUri" and then restarting the client. After that the connection would be with the new coordinator but the way the new update works is that every time you change the coordinator and restart the client it reverts back to the Ginger Wallet default coordinator.

Why did you add that particular functionality to force anybody using Ginger Wallet to either use your default coordinator or basically not use the wallet at all?

We added Two-Factor Authentication (2FA) in our new release for more protection!
You can download the new version and read more on our website. https://gingerwallet.io


Title: Re: 🔥 GingerWallet.io - Desktop, Non-custodial, Open source | #CoinJoin
Post by: GingerWallet on September 18, 2024, 09:27:50 AM
Solo with large coins?
The Ginger Wallet client provides more efficient management for users with larger coins. Instead of creating a large change output that requires multiple rounds to break down, Ginger splits the coin into 4-5 smaller parts in the first round.
These smaller parts align better with the denomination levels, resulting in a more efficient coinjoin process.
If you plan to use the Ginger coordinator, we recommend using our client to avoid these unnecessary decompositions.
Ginger can be installed independently without interfering with other clients or coordinators.

Give it a try!

https://gingerwallet.io

https://t.me/GingerWallet



Title: Re: 🔥 GingerWallet.io - Desktop, Non-custodial, Open source | #CoinJoin
Post by: Pmalek on September 18, 2024, 12:38:46 PM
<Snip>
It's weird that they would make a new post on the forum and completely neglect this question that you brought up.
I think the answer is pretty clear, isn't it? They charge a commission for coinjoins. Not for all, but for some. The wallet resets to the default coordinator because they want to continue charging coinjoin fees. That wouldn't be the case if you used a different coordinator. If it's all a mistake and the change was made by accident, GingerWallet is free to say so. 


Title: Re: 🔥 GingerWallet.io - Desktop, Non-custodial, Open source | #CoinJoin
Post by: GingerWallet on September 19, 2024, 01:42:16 PM
<Snip>
It's weird that they would make a new post on the forum and completely neglect this question that you brought up.
I think the answer is pretty clear, isn't it? They charge a commission for coinjoins. Not for all, but for some. The wallet resets to the default coordinator because they want to continue charging coinjoin fees. That wouldn't be the case if you used a different coordinator. If it's all a mistake and the change was made by accident, GingerWallet is free to say so. 
Hello,
I would like to clarify that we do not intend to assume responsibility for coordinators that we are unfamiliar with. Regarding the change you mentioned, please note that it is purely cosmetic. It simply made it more apparent that the client has always been connecting to the Ginger server, which was the case even before the mentioned update.

Apologies for the delayed response. Should you have any further questions, feel free to join our discussion in the Telegram group.

Thank you for your understanding.

https://gingerwallet.io
https://t.me/GingerWallet


Title: Re: 🔥 GingerWallet.io - Desktop, Non-custodial, Open source | #CoinJoin
Post by: GingerWallet on September 19, 2024, 01:45:33 PM
It seems another alteration that was made in your latest release was on the config file but you did not announce it.

In the previous version it was easy to edit the config file to add an alternative coordinator by modifying the line "MainNetCoordinatorUri" and then restarting the client. After that the connection would be with the new coordinator but the way the new update works is that every time you change the coordinator and restart the client it reverts back to the Ginger Wallet default coordinator.

Why did you add that particular functionality to force anybody using Ginger Wallet to either use your default coordinator or basically not use the wallet at all?

We added Two-Factor Authentication (2FA) in our new release for more protection!
You can download the new version and read more on our website. https://gingerwallet.io

Hello,
I would like to clarify that we do not intend to assume responsibility for coordinators that we are unfamiliar with. Regarding the change you mentioned, please note that it is purely cosmetic. It simply made it more apparent that the client has always been connecting to the Ginger server, which was the case even before the mentioned update.

Apologies for the delayed response. Should you have any further questions, feel free to join our discussion in the Telegram group.

Thank you for your understanding.

https://gingerwallet.io
https://t.me/GingerWallet


Title: Re: 🔥 GingerWallet.io - Desktop, Non-custodial, Open source | #CoinJoin
Post by: Pmalek on September 19, 2024, 01:48:55 PM
Hello,
I would like to clarify that we do not intend to assume responsibility for coordinators that we are unfamiliar with. Regarding the change you mentioned, please note that it is purely cosmetic. It simply made it more apparent that the client has always been connecting to the Ginger server, which was the case even before the mentioned update.
But if I wanted to use the GingerWallet with a different coordinator than the default one (your own), can I do that? If I can, then how? According to JollyGood, users have to restart their wallet after changing coordinator. When the wallet reloads, it goes back to the default coordinator.


Title: Re: 🔥 GingerWallet.io - Desktop, Non-custodial, Open source | #CoinJoin
Post by: NotATether on September 19, 2024, 02:25:53 PM
Hello,
I would like to clarify that we do not intend to assume responsibility for coordinators that we are unfamiliar with. Regarding the change you mentioned, please note that it is purely cosmetic. It simply made it more apparent that the client has always been connecting to the Ginger server, which was the case even before the mentioned update.

Theoretically we should still be able to switch the coordinator when we open Ginger Wallet since it is based off of Wasabi code and Wasabi already has this functionality.


Title: Re: 🔥 GingerWallet.io - Desktop, Non-custodial, Open source | #CoinJoin
Post by: GingerWallet on September 19, 2024, 04:26:43 PM
Hello,
I would like to clarify that we do not intend to assume responsibility for coordinators that we are unfamiliar with. Regarding the change you mentioned, please note that it is purely cosmetic. It simply made it more apparent that the client has always been connecting to the Ginger server, which was the case even before the mentioned update.
But if I wanted to use the GingerWallet with a different coordinator than the default one (your own), can I do that? If I can, then how? According to JollyGood, users have to restart their wallet after changing coordinator. When the wallet reloads, it goes back to the default coordinator.

Exactly. You can use Ginger Wallet only with the Ginger coordinator.


Title: Re: 🔥 GingerWallet.io - Desktop, Non-custodial, Open source | #CoinJoin
Post by: GingerWallet on September 19, 2024, 04:30:38 PM
Over the past two months, Ginger has focused on optimizing smaller coinjoins for greater effectiveness, resulting in higher anonscores per round. Please note that these improvements are only available when using the Ginger client.

Additionally, the latest Wasabi release no longer supports the free remix and friends don't pay features. This means that if you're using the latest Wasabi client, you’ll incur fees in situations where they shouldn’t apply, leading to higher costs. Therefore, Ginger strongly recommends using the Ginger client when participating with the Ginger Coordinator.

Both Wasabi and Ginger clients function independently and can be installed on the same system, allowing you to switch between them as needed.

If you have any questions, feel free to join our Telegram channel: https://t.me/GingerWallet

Happy Coinjoining!


Title: Re: 🔥 GingerWallet.io - Desktop, Non-custodial, Open source | #CoinJoin
Post by: Pmalek on September 20, 2024, 08:50:08 AM
Theoretically we should still be able to switch the coordinator when we open Ginger Wallet since it is based off of Wasabi code and Wasabi already has this functionality.
If everything with GingerWallet is open-source, then those who know how to code could code out the function that the wallet resets itself back to the default Ginger coordinator after a restart or just stick with Wasabi if they don't want to be forced to use the GingerWallet coordinator. Not that I am recommending one over the other.


Title: Re: 🔥 GingerWallet.io - Desktop, Non-custodial, Open source | #CoinJoin
Post by: GingerWallet on September 20, 2024, 10:44:45 AM
Theoretically we should still be able to switch the coordinator when we open Ginger Wallet since it is based off of Wasabi code and Wasabi already has this functionality.
If everything with GingerWallet is open-source, then those who know how to code could code out the function that the wallet resets itself back to the default Ginger coordinator after a restart or just stick with Wasabi if they don't want to be forced to use the GingerWallet coordinator. Not that I am recommending one over the other.

Certainly possible, but keep in mind that the two wallets begin to move to different directions regarding coinjoins. If you misunderstood something in your change or the protocol begins to differ and your client signs the transaction without all the outputs, even the free coordinator will gladly take your money.


Title: Re: 🔥 GingerWallet.io - Desktop, Non-custodial, Open source | #CoinJoin
Post by: GingerWallet on September 20, 2024, 11:59:41 AM
Exciting news! 🎉 Ginger Coordinator hit over 10 BTC in daily traffic yesterday! 🚀 Remember, CoinJoin is free for transactions under 0.01 BTC (around $635), plus free remixes, and friends don't pay! 🙌

Come hang out with us on Telegram: https://t.me/GingerWallet
Or check us out at gingerwallet.io! 🌐


Title: Re: 🔥 GingerWallet.io - Desktop, Non-custodial, Open source | #CoinJoin
Post by: JollyGood on September 21, 2024, 08:28:45 AM
Hello,
I would like to clarify that we do not intend to assume responsibility for coordinators that we are unfamiliar with. Regarding the change you mentioned, please note that it is purely cosmetic. It simply made it more apparent that the client has always been connecting to the Ginger server, which was the case even before the mentioned update.
But if I wanted to use the GingerWallet with a different coordinator than the default one (your own), can I do that? If I can, then how? According to JollyGood, users have to restart their wallet after changing coordinator. When the wallet reloads, it goes back to the default coordinator.
This has been 100% checked. The latest version of the Ginger Wallet reverts to the default Ginger Wallet coordinator no matter how many times you want to change to another option (for example Open Coordiantor) because editing the config file is not a problem but the settings only change when the wallet is restarted. The way Ginger Wallet have altered the open source code, it automatically reverts to the original config file including Ginger Wallet coordinator upon restart.

Hello,
I would like to clarify that we do not intend to assume responsibility for coordinators that we are unfamiliar with. Regarding the change you mentioned, please note that it is purely cosmetic. It simply made it more apparent that the client has always been connecting to the Ginger server, which was the case even before the mentioned update.
Theoretically we should still be able to switch the coordinator when we open Ginger Wallet since it is based off of Wasabi code and Wasabi already has this functionality.
In theory yes. That function was working in their initial release but they have modified the code in the latest release in order to force users to pay Ginger Wallet in order to use their coinjoin instead of allowing them an opportunity to select a different coordinator.

Exactly. You can use Ginger Wallet only with the Ginger coordinator.
And that will probably be the biggest problem you will face when trying to people to download the wallet.


Title: Re: 🔥 GingerWallet.io - Desktop, Non-custodial, Open source | #CoinJoin
Post by: Pmalek on September 21, 2024, 10:59:40 AM
<Snip>
If we leave the coordinator issue aside for now, what would be the advantage of using the GingerWallet compared to using Wasabi Wallet if someone wants to do coinjoins? It's a rebranded Wasabi product with certain tweaks and changes. If it doesn't offer anything revolutionary different and also forces you to stick with the default coordinator, I would see no reason to use it. Again, this is only if I was interested in touching anything related to Wasabi.

I agree with you that this change GingerWallet made can negatively impact the interest for their software. Kruw's coordinator has the biggest share of the traffic already.


Title: Re: 🔥 GingerWallet.io - Desktop, Non-custodial, Open source | #CoinJoin
Post by: JollyGood on September 21, 2024, 11:29:01 AM
If we leave the coordinator issue aside for now, what would be the advantage of using the GingerWallet compared to using Wasabi Wallet if someone wants to do coinjoins? It's a rebranded Wasabi product with certain tweaks and changes. If it doesn't offer anything revolutionary different and also forces you to stick with the default coordinator, I would see no reason to use it. Again, this is only if I was interested in touching anything related to Wasabi.

I agree with you that this change GingerWallet made can negatively impact the interest for their software. Kruw's coordinator has the biggest share of the traffic already.
It seems their breaking down of 4-5 smaller parts in the first round is probably the new function that should be appealing to those wanting to coinjoin. It was mentioned in their post below but other than that it seems there is no real benefit in using Ginger Wallet over Wasabi Wallet (especially if you factor in the key issue not being able to select your preferred coordinator).

Using Wasabi Wallet means you can select any coordinator you would like including without paying fees but using Ginger Wallet means you have to use their default coordinator and pay 0.3% fees. Given those options, the choice is clear for potential users.

If Open Coordinator continue with their zero fees policy for several months more, they might close the gap on Kruw significantly.

Solo with large coins?
The Ginger Wallet client provides more efficient management for users with larger coins. Instead of creating a large change output that requires multiple rounds to break down, Ginger splits the coin into 4-5 smaller parts in the first round.
These smaller parts align better with the denomination levels, resulting in a more efficient coinjoin process.
If you plan to use the Ginger coordinator, we recommend using our client to avoid these unnecessary decompositions.
Ginger can be installed independently without interfering with other clients or coordinators.


Title: Re: 🔥 GingerWallet.io - Desktop, Non-custodial, Open source | #CoinJoin
Post by: BlackHatCoiner on September 21, 2024, 01:26:52 PM
Besides the 0.3% fee and the limitation on which coordinator to use, I would argue that using Ginger might be less trustless. In a recent blog post of Wasabi, their latest release removes coordinator fee (https://blog.wasabiwallet.io/killing-coordination-fee/). I would strongly recommend you to go and read it. It appears the case that using a non-free coordinator introduces a certain degree of trust, as if the coordinator is malicious, they can drain the user's funds.

However, the technical details in the client software are far beyond my knowledge, so please correct me, GingerWallet, if I'm mistaken.


Title: Re: 🔥 GingerWallet.io - Desktop, Non-custodial, Open source | #CoinJoin
Post by: Kruw on September 21, 2024, 02:07:19 PM
It appears the case that using a non-free coordinator introduces a certain degree of trust, as if the coordinator is malicious, they can drain the user's funds.

However, the technical details in the client software are far beyond my knowledge, so please correct me, GingerWallet, if I'm mistaken.

You are mistaken, making a service free does not make it trusted, I don't know how you could possibly reach that conclusion.


Title: Re: 🔥 GingerWallet.io - Desktop, Non-custodial, Open source | #CoinJoin
Post by: BlackHatCoiner on September 21, 2024, 03:11:38 PM
Quote me where I said that making the service free makes it trusted.


Title: Re: 🔥 GingerWallet.io - Desktop, Non-custodial, Open source | #CoinJoin
Post by: Pmalek on September 21, 2024, 03:23:15 PM
You are mistaken, making a service free does not make it trusted, I don't know how you could possibly reach that conclusion.
He didn't say that making a service free makes it trusted. The idea is that if a coordinator charges a fee, you have to trust it to not be malicious, be fair, and not drain your wallet. We have already had some incidents with coordinators acting malicious in the past. I don't remember which service, though. And don't use your old "everything is open-source, there is no need to trust anyone" argument as you have done hundreds of times already. You have already stated that you have no coding skills yourselves and neither do the majority of people. Therefore, trust is part of the game to a certain degree.


Title: Re: 🔥 GingerWallet.io - Desktop, Non-custodial, Open source | #CoinJoin
Post by: Kruw on September 21, 2024, 04:24:50 PM
Quote me where I said that making the service free makes it trusted.

Sorry, I misread that.


Title: Re: 🔥 GingerWallet.io - Desktop, Non-custodial, Open source | #CoinJoin
Post by: JollyGood on September 21, 2024, 05:37:31 PM
Whichever way you look this, it is true and cannot be denied. The fact of the matter is that the moment any coordinator has access to the funds (either directly or indirectly) the element of misuse of funds and/or misappropriation is a possibility if a malicious actor decides to use a coordinator for nefarious purposes. Whether anything related to theft will happen or not is different to whether it is a possibility.

Anyway, if there are open source coordinators with zero fees users would have to find something exceptional in Ginger Wallet for them to pay for coinjoins.

Besides the 0.3% fee and the limitation on which coordinator to use, I would argue that using Ginger might be less trustless. In a recent blog post of Wasabi, their latest release removes coordinator fee (https://blog.wasabiwallet.io/killing-coordination-fee/). I would strongly recommend you to go and read it. It appears the case that using a non-free coordinator introduces a certain degree of trust, as if the coordinator is malicious, they can drain the user's funds.

However, the technical details in the client software are far beyond my knowledge, so please correct me, GingerWallet, if I'm mistaken.


Title: Re: GingerWallet.io - Desktop, Non-custodial, Open source | #CoinJoin
Post by: BlackHatCoiner on September 21, 2024, 06:39:06 PM
Anyway, if there are open source coordinators...
The Wasabi coordinator is an open-source software, but you can't verify what's running in somebody else's computer. This is why the client needs to be configured to background check a host variety of things. This is where "trustless" originates.

It is true, however, that if a coordinator has more liquidity than Ginger, and is completely free, then I don't see how Ginger competes.


Title: Re: 🔥 GingerWallet.io - Desktop, Non-custodial, Open source | #CoinJoin
Post by: GingerWallet on September 21, 2024, 07:06:39 PM
Hello,
I would like to clarify that we do not intend to assume responsibility for coordinators that we are unfamiliar with. Regarding the change you mentioned, please note that it is purely cosmetic. It simply made it more apparent that the client has always been connecting to the Ginger server, which was the case even before the mentioned update.
But if I wanted to use the GingerWallet with a different coordinator than the default one (your own), can I do that? If I can, then how? According to JollyGood, users have to restart their wallet after changing coordinator. When the wallet reloads, it goes back to the default coordinator.
This has been 100% checked. The latest version of the Ginger Wallet reverts to the default Ginger Wallet coordinator no matter how many times you want to change to another option (for example Open Coordiantor) because editing the config file is not a problem but the settings only change when the wallet is restarted. The way Ginger Wallet have altered the open source code, it automatically reverts to the original config file including Ginger Wallet coordinator upon restart.

Hello,
I would like to clarify that we do not intend to assume responsibility for coordinators that we are unfamiliar with. Regarding the change you mentioned, please note that it is purely cosmetic. It simply made it more apparent that the client has always been connecting to the Ginger server, which was the case even before the mentioned update.
Theoretically we should still be able to switch the coordinator when we open Ginger Wallet since it is based off of Wasabi code and Wasabi already has this functionality.
In theory yes. That function was working in their initial release but they have modified the code in the latest release in order to force users to pay Ginger Wallet in order to use their coinjoin instead of allowing them an opportunity to select a different coordinator.

Exactly. You can use Ginger Wallet only with the Ginger coordinator.
And that will probably be the biggest problem you will face when trying to people to download the wallet.

It seems that it was a mistake on our side and previously only the backend was fixed to our servers. We never intended to allow other coordinators than the Ginger one from the beginning. Apologies for the misunderstanding.


Title: Re: 🔥 GingerWallet.io - Desktop, Non-custodial, Open source | #CoinJoin
Post by: GingerWallet on September 21, 2024, 07:08:07 PM
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If we leave the coordinator issue aside for now, what would be the advantage of using the GingerWallet compared to using Wasabi Wallet if someone wants to do coinjoins? It's a rebranded Wasabi product with certain tweaks and changes. If it doesn't offer anything revolutionary different and also forces you to stick with the default coordinator, I would see no reason to use it. Again, this is only if I was interested in touching anything related to Wasabi.

I agree with you that this change GingerWallet made can negatively impact the interest for their software. Kruw's coordinator has the biggest share of the traffic already.

Ginger Wallet comes as a package, it's really up to you whether you use it or the Wasabi Wallet.
- The coinjoin uses AML, it's the user's preference whether they consider this as an advantage or disadvantage there is no point arguing about it here. To be honest the average user won't see any difference.
- 2FA protocol, the wallet can be stored encrypted so even if your computer and/or wallet data will be stolen and had a keylogger, your money is still most likely safe.
Of course, we plan to add more features over time.


Title: Re: 🔥 GingerWallet.io - Desktop, Non-custodial, Open source | #CoinJoin
Post by: GingerWallet on September 21, 2024, 07:10:03 PM
Besides the 0.3% fee and the limitation on which coordinator to use, I would argue that using Ginger might be less trustless. In a recent blog post of Wasabi, their latest release removes coordinator fee (https://blog.wasabiwallet.io/killing-coordination-fee/). I would strongly recommend you to go and read it. It appears the case that using a non-free coordinator introduces a certain degree of trust, as if the coordinator is malicious, they can drain the user's funds.

However, the technical details in the client software are far beyond my knowledge, so please correct me, GingerWallet, if I'm mistaken.

Wasabi was originally advertised as trustless, but it weren't really tested before as there was only one server (the backend and the coordinator weren't separated at that time) and that got the trust from the users.
After the removing of the original coordinator and making an easy way to create new ones, it revealed that this is not the case (in the past lots of the development went to defend the coordinator and not to the client for obvious reasons).
One of the mentioned issue is the free remix. The server sends whether a coin has exemption from fee, but the client does not check it. To be fair the protocol doesn't even provide a way to tell/advertise that there is a fee, but the remix is free, the server simply works that way by default.
To increase the trust, Ginger Wallet will check the remix in the upcoming release (in 1-2 weeks) and leave the coinjoin if it doesn't get it.
The 1-hop still won't be checked as that will need more development (still, the remix covers 99% of the case).


Title: Re: GingerWallet.io - Desktop, Non-custodial, Open source | #CoinJoin
Post by: JollyGood on September 21, 2024, 07:34:54 PM
It is true, however, that if a coordinator has more liquidity than Ginger, and is completely free, then I don't see how Ginger competes.
There are several ways Ginger Wallet cannot compete with some coordinators but considering Ginger Wallet is effectively a business and they make their income from selling coinjoin services, it stands to reason they would want to stop/block people from using their star product with third party coordinators (and in the process effectively cutting them out of their 0.3% fee).

If there are some exceptional technical advances in their next release, it might appease some of the negative sentiments surrounding their wallet.

It seems that it was a mistake on our side and previously only the backend was fixed to our servers. We never intended to allow other coordinators than the Ginger one from the beginning. Apologies for the misunderstanding.
That is interesting to read, thank you for clarifying. You do realise you would like Wasabi Wallet users to change their coordinator to Ginger Wallet therefore why do you not want to reciprocate the same for Ginger Wallet users?


Title: Re: 🔥 GingerWallet.io - Desktop, Non-custodial, Open source | #CoinJoin
Post by: Pmalek on September 22, 2024, 07:28:58 AM
Anyway, if there are open source coordinators with zero fees users would have to find something exceptional in Ginger Wallet for them to pay for coinjoins.
It's not exactly and 100% free. Kruw explained in the Bitcoin Takeover podcast that aired a few days ago that he takes a few sats here and there. Since his coordinator has a lot of traffic, this isn't that small of a number. He can comment on that himself if he wants to, although this isn't the best place to do it.


Title: Re: GingerWallet.io - Desktop, Non-custodial, Open source | #CoinJoin
Post by: GingerWallet on September 22, 2024, 07:39:36 AM
It is true, however, that if a coordinator has more liquidity than Ginger, and is completely free, then I don't see how Ginger competes.
There are several ways Ginger Wallet cannot compete with some coordinators but considering Ginger Wallet is effectively a business and they make their income from selling coinjoin services, it stands to reason they would want to stop/block people from using their star product with a third party coordinators (and in the process effectively cutting them out of their 0.3% fee).

If there are some exceptional technical advances in their next release, it might appease some of the negative sentiments surrounding their wallet.

It seems that it was a mistake on our side and previously only the backend was fixed to our servers. We never intended to allow other coordinators than the Ginger one from the beginning. Apologies for the misunderstanding.
That is interesting to read, thank you for clarifying. You do realise you would like Wasabi Wallet users to change their coordinator to Ginger Wallet therefore why do you not want to reciprocate the same for Ginger Wallet users?

No, we would like to ask the users to use the Ginger Wallet instead of the Wasabi Wallet if they want to use the Ginger coordinator.

You seem to have the assumption that the two coordinator is totally compatible with both wallet clients, but that's not true.

Short history from the recent releases.
- With the release of Wasabi Wallet v2.0.8.1 (2024-06-08), the maximum coinjoin coordination fee was introduced.
The default was set that all non-free coordinators stopped to work, even if the current one was a non-free one. Also, unfortunately the users didn't understand the error messages and what needs to be done.
- With the release of Wasabi Wallet v2.1.0.0 (2024-07-10), the following changes applied:
The coordinator minimum input count must be at least 21. At that time the malicious coordinator ran with 1 or 2 minimum inputs; all other, but Kruw's coordinator ran with 20 minimum inputs.
All, but Kruw's coordinators instantly failed after a client update (free and non-free).
The maximum fee was set to 0.5% (this might hit the wasabist.io's random fee system, I don't remember). Note, that there was a plan to set it to 0.01%, that's literally generating dust.
Not mentioned downgrade: the fee exemption check was removed, so the Wasabi client asked LESS amount for their input even if they got exemption from the coordinator due to remix.
After this release all other fee based coordinator died as they weren't able to manage the changes on the coordinator side.
- With the release of Wasabi Wallet v2.2.0.0 (2024-09-19), our coordinator is effectively banned by the Wasabi client.

The Ginger coordinator worked with the Wasabi clients till now, because of constant code and setup updates.
On the other hand, you have to understand the Wasabi developers and their goal:

They have limited time to make the Wasabi project "truly" open source.
That means heavy simplification, removing the less used and not needed features (of course they won't advertise it in the release notes, but who would?).
They could have fix the remix issue, but there is no incentive to do so (as they won't get any money from it) and increases the complexity, instead they removed the whole fee concept.
For the same reason they removed the AML system, increases the complexity and it's not their risk to run the coordinator anymore (also there would be no fund to use it anyway due to the above line).

The execution wasn't necessarily nice, but their goal is quite understandable.
They were fair, and told their plan in advance (even if there were some timeline change from 6 months to 3.5 months), so we knew from the beginning that a fork is needed.

Thank you for your understanding.


Title: Re: 🔥 GingerWallet.io - Desktop, Non-custodial, Open source | #CoinJoin
Post by: JollyGood on September 22, 2024, 08:12:20 AM
It's not exactly and 100% free. Kruw explained in the Bitcoin Takeover podcast that aired a few days ago that he takes a few sats here and there. Since his coordinator has a lot of traffic, this isn't that small of a number. He can comment on that himself if he wants to, although this isn't the best place to do it.
Yes, even the free element is not 100% free but that is more down to the manner in which the change structure part of the coinjoin works. Before your post I did not know about any Kruw related podcast though I think there was some mention of an interview maybe in another thread but not sure will check it out. Having said that, it sounds as though it is the same as Ginger Wallet stated in an earlier response:

Both Wasabi and Ginger clients aim to avoid generating 'change.' In other words, all coins should be consolidated into specific denominations (those values that are generated by all clients). This means the difference should stay below a certain minimum output amount, which is set at 10,000 satoshis for Ginger. (It’s widely believed that change negatively impacts privacy). However, this can become a significant issue if the client can only participate with low-value coins.

If only a small amount of money remains, it’s advised not to coinjoin (this applies to all clients), as you'll lose an average of 3-5k satoshis per round on top of the mining fee. There's almost certainly no coordinator fee involved.

The mining fee can be calculated, but in an environment with a rate of 3-4 sat/vbyte, it shouldn't be a major expense by itself. The vbyte is roughly 70 times the size of the input coin and 30 times the size of the output coin, and you multiply this by the mining fee. At a rate of 4 satoshis, the cost will be around 3,000-4,000 satoshis (independent of the client, assuming an average number of input/output coins).


Title: Re: 🔥 GingerWallet.io - Desktop, Non-custodial, Open source | #CoinJoin
Post by: GingerWallet on September 24, 2024, 09:44:55 AM
Reminder: Free remix available only until Wasabi version 2.0.8.1. We recommend using Ginger Wallet (any version) instead!
Come hang out with us on Telegram: https://t.me/GingerWallet
Or check us out at gingerwallet.io! 🌐


Title: Re: 🔥 GingerWallet.io - Desktop, Non-custodial, Open source | #CoinJoin
Post by: JollyGood on September 24, 2024, 06:58:42 PM
When you look at Wasabi Wallet along with their option of using any coordinator that the user wants to use (including free fees and free re-mixes) and compare that against Ginger Wallet with a default 0.3% charging coordinator, what are the main elements that you would advise and encourage users to choose Ginger Wallet over another?

What will a user gain by paying 0.3% fees via Ginger Wallet instead of using Wasabi Wallet and a different free/paid coordinator?

Reminder: Free remix available only until Wasabi version 2.0.8.1. We recommend using Ginger Wallet (any version) instead!
Come hang out with us on Telegram: https://t.me/GingerWallet
Or check us out at gingerwallet.io! 🌐


Title: Re: 🔥 GingerWallet.io - Desktop, Non-custodial, Open source | #CoinJoin
Post by: GingerWallet on September 25, 2024, 05:14:40 AM
Exciting news!
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Come hang out with us on Telegram: https://t.me/GingerWallet
Or check us out at gingerwallet.io! 🌐


Title: Re: 🔥 GingerWallet.io - Desktop, Non-custodial, Open source | #CoinJoin
Post by: JollyGood on September 25, 2024, 09:59:59 PM
A reply to my post would have been helpful to those thinking about using Ginger Wallet instead of Wasabi Wallet. If you make it clear what the benefits are gained by users for paying that 0.3% fee than for example use Wasabi Wallet with a free coordinator, maybe you will start making an impression with those that are potentially contemplating which wallet to use. Hopefully you will answer the question in your next post.

Exciting news!


Title: Re: 🔥 GingerWallet.io - Desktop, Non-custodial, Open source | #CoinJoin
Post by: GingerWallet on September 26, 2024, 05:28:13 AM
A reply to my post would have been helpful to those thinking about using Ginger Wallet instead of Wasabi Wallet. If you make it clear what the benefits are gained by users for paying that 0.3% fee than for example use Wasabi Wallet with a free coordinator, maybe you will start making an impression with those that are potentially contemplating which wallet to use. Hopefully you will answer the question in your next post.

Exciting news!

Dear JollyGood,

We are happy to answer any new questions you may have, but we believe you will find the answer to your previous question if you read through carefully. If anything was unclear, feel free to join us on Telegram, where you can get answers to even more of your questions.

All the best!


Title: Re: 🔥 GingerWallet.io - Desktop, Non-custodial, Open source | #CoinJoin
Post by: GingerWallet on October 02, 2024, 07:28:02 AM
🚀 Ginger Wallet v2.0.12 is now live! It includes label recovery during wallet restoration, a client-side remix check for enhanced security, and various bug fixes. Plus, Bitcoin HWI has been updated to version 3.1.0, now supporting Trezor Safe 5 and Coldcard Q.
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Title: Re: 🔥 GingerWallet.io - Desktop, Non-custodial, Open source | #CoinJoin
Post by: JollyGood on October 02, 2024, 10:37:48 AM
Congratulations, it seems as though significant effort was applied in order for the new release of Ginger Wallet to be considered a very good update and upgrade from the previous version.

Does the new release facilitate the changing of the default coordinator? That will always be the main question/concern from users that are looking at this from the perspective of saving coinjoin fees.
 
🚀 Ginger Wallet v2.0.12 is now live! It includes label recovery during wallet restoration, a client-side remix check for enhanced security, and various bug fixes. Plus, Bitcoin HWI has been updated to version 3.1.0, now supporting Trezor Safe 5 and Coldcard Q.
Download now: https://gingerwallet.io (https://gingerwallet.io/)


Title: Re: 🔥 GingerWallet.io - Desktop, Non-custodial, Open source | #CoinJoin
Post by: GingerWallet on October 04, 2024, 06:45:03 AM
Congratulations, it seems as though significant effort was applied in order for the new release of Ginger Wallet to be considered a very good update and upgrade from the previous version.

Does the new release facilitate the changing of the default coordinator? That will always be the main question/concern from users that are looking at this from the perspective of saving coinjoin fees.
 
🚀 Ginger Wallet v2.0.12 is now live! It includes label recovery during wallet restoration, a client-side remix check for enhanced security, and various bug fixes. Plus, Bitcoin HWI has been updated to version 3.1.0, now supporting Trezor Safe 5 and Coldcard Q.
Download now: https://gingerwallet.io (https://gingerwallet.io/)

Dear Jolly, We appreciate the recognition. The changes mentioned in the previous post have been implemented in the new version.


Title: Re: 🔥 GingerWallet.io - Desktop, Non-custodial, Open source | #CoinJoin
Post by: GingerWallet on October 04, 2024, 06:45:31 AM
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Join us at the Hacker Congress Paralelní Polis in Prague, October 4-6, for an exciting weekend filled with discussions on privacy and tech innovation. Don’t miss the chance to connect with us.
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Title: Re: 🔥 GingerWallet.io - Desktop, Non-custodial, Open source | #CoinJoin
Post by: JollyGood on October 04, 2024, 09:05:44 AM
Therefore it means that the default coordinator cannot be changed and that also means anybody wanting to use Ginger Wallet must use the default Ginger Wallet coordinator and pay the 0.3% fee. I am not sure that is the way forward for your business because at the moment you probably need more customers to build your base before you ask/force them to use your coordinator.

Dear Jolly, We appreciate the recognition. The changes mentioned in the previous post have been implemented in the new version.


Title: Re: 🔥 GingerWallet.io - Desktop, Non-custodial, Open source | #CoinJoin
Post by: GingerWallet on October 07, 2024, 04:49:42 PM
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Title: Re: 🔥 GingerWallet.io - Desktop, Non-custodial, Open source | #CoinJoin
Post by: GingerWallet on October 09, 2024, 09:27:03 AM
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Title: Re: 🔥 GingerWallet.io - Desktop, Non-custodial, Open source | #CoinJoin
Post by: GingerWallet on October 11, 2024, 06:57:50 AM
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Title: Re: 🔥 GingerWallet.io - Desktop, Non-custodial, Open source | #CoinJoin
Post by: GingerWallet on October 12, 2024, 03:23:24 PM
🔔 Reminder: Ginger Free Coinjoin Weekend is Live! 🔔
The event started yesterday, and it's running until Monday morning at 08:00 UTC. Don't miss your chance to participate in Coinjoin rounds with zero coordinator fees! This is the perfect opportunity to boost your privacy at no cost. 🔒✨
Take advantage of the weekend and make your privacy simple and secure. Don't let it slip by!


Title: Re: 🔥 GingerWallet.io - Desktop, Non-custodial, Open source | #CoinJoin
Post by: JollyGood on October 12, 2024, 05:12:01 PM
Ginger Wallet has been increasing its share of the coordinator market:

https://i.postimg.cc/pdxPh7Rz/wasabist1-Copy.png


Title: Re: 🔥 GingerWallet.io - Desktop, Non-custodial, Open source | #CoinJoin
Post by: GingerWallet on October 15, 2024, 03:19:42 PM
New record! 🎉 We completed 49 CoinJoins yesterday—the most we've ever done in a single day! 🚀 Thanks for the amazing support in keeping privacy strong. Visit us at gingerwallet.io #Bitcoin #CoinJoin #Privacy


Title: Re: 🔥 GingerWallet.io - Desktop, Non-custodial, Open source | #CoinJoin
Post by: GingerWallet on October 17, 2024, 01:52:37 PM
New records in the last 4 days! 🚀

177 CoinJoins
Avg AnonSet: 4.41
Total inputs: 7,502
Record inputs in 1 CoinJoin: 73 🎉
Thank you for the amazing support! 🙏 Visit gingerwallet.io #Bitcoin #CoinJoin #Privacy


Title: Re: 🔥 GingerWallet.io - Desktop, Non-custodial, Open source | #CoinJoin
Post by: GingerWallet on October 24, 2024, 05:03:55 PM
¡Hola!
GingerWallet v2.0.13 is here! 🎉

We’re making Bitcoin privacy more accessible with interfaces now available in different languages.

🌐 New Feature: Multilanguage support!
🔒 Privacy updates
⚡ Performance improvements
🔧 Enhanced user experience

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Title: Re: 🔥 GingerWallet.io - Desktop, Non-custodial, Open source | #CoinJoin
Post by: JollyGood on October 24, 2024, 09:48:46 PM
Congratulations to your team for making another announcement about the improvements being made on your wallet. Did you make any changes with the new release that facilitates the customer being able to choose a coordinator of their own choice (including a free coordinator) rather than use the default Ginger Wallet coordinator with a 0.3% fee?

¡Hola!
GingerWallet v2.0.13 is here! 🎉

We’re making Bitcoin privacy more accessible with interfaces now available in different languages.

🌐 New Feature: Multilanguage support!
🔒 Privacy updates
⚡ Performance improvements
🔧 Enhanced user experience

https://gingerwallet.io


Title: Re: 🔥 GingerWallet.io - Desktop, Non-custodial, Open source | #CoinJoin
Post by: GingerWallet on October 25, 2024, 06:01:12 AM
Congratulations to your team for making another announcement about the improvements being made on your wallet. Did you make any changes with the new release that facilitates the customer being able to choose a coordinator of their own choice (including a free coordinator) rather than use the default Ginger Wallet coordinator with a 0.3% fee?

¡Hola!
GingerWallet v2.0.13 is here! 🎉

We’re making Bitcoin privacy more accessible with interfaces now available in different languages.

🌐 New Feature: Multilanguage support!
🔒 Privacy updates
⚡ Performance improvements
🔧 Enhanced user experience

https://gingerwallet.io



Dear Jolly,

Thank you very much for the recognition. There has been no change regarding the coordinator selection.

In future updates, we’ll add more languages and expand translations! If you have translation skills, join us on Telegram or contribute on GitHub by opening a PR! 🙌


Title: Re: 🔥 GingerWallet.io - Desktop, Non-custodial, Open source | #CoinJoin
Post by: JollyGood on October 25, 2024, 09:25:41 AM
I thought that was the case but still asked just in case there was a modification added that would allow users to revert to adding a coordinator of their own choice. It seems that Ginger Wallet will now not be going back to allowing their users the choice of whether they want a free coordinator or to pay the fee to an alternative to what is being forced upon them.

Still, we will wait for future updates.

Thank you very much for the recognition. There has been no change regarding the coordinator selection.


Title: Re: 🔥 GingerWallet.io - Desktop, Non-custodial, Open source | #CoinJoin
Post by: GingerWallet on October 28, 2024, 12:44:43 PM
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Title: Re: 🔥 GingerWallet.io - Desktop, Non-custodial, Open source | #CoinJoin
Post by: GingerWallet on October 30, 2024, 05:38:16 PM
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Title: Re: 🔥 GingerWallet.io - Desktop, Non-custodial, Open source | #CoinJoin
Post by: GingerWallet on November 02, 2024, 03:01:32 PM
Ginger Wallet Expands: CoinJoin Now Available in Spanish, Hungarian, and English
https://medium.com/@martin.rimoczi/ginger-wallet-expands-coinjoin-now-available-in-spanish-hungarian-and-english-e4ff50763c79


Title: Re: 🔥 GingerWallet.io - Desktop, Non-custodial, Open source | #CoinJoin
Post by: Pmalek on November 05, 2024, 08:52:45 AM
Ginger Wallet Expands: CoinJoin Now Available in Spanish, Hungarian, and English
I don't use your wallet but I am guessing English was there from the start and this update is actually the addition of two new languages (not three), those being Spanish and Hungarian. Interesting choice of languages. With that, I mean Hungarian and not Russian, Mandarin, Hindi, Portuguese, etc. Do you have an unusually high userbase in Hungary or is this just a random choice and based on what your community of translators does?


Title: Re: 🔥 GingerWallet.io - Desktop, Non-custodial, Open source | #CoinJoin
Post by: GingerWallet on November 06, 2024, 06:53:45 AM
Ginger Wallet Expands: CoinJoin Now Available in Spanish, Hungarian, and English
I don't use your wallet but I am guessing English was there from the start and this update is actually the addition of two new languages (not three), those being Spanish and Hungarian. Interesting choice of languages. With that, I mean Hungarian and not Russian, Mandarin, Hindi, Portuguese, etc. Do you have an unusually high userbase in Hungary or is this just a random choice and based on what your community of translators does?

Hi. Some of the developers are Hungarian, so the translation was readily available. We are working on adding more languages in the future. We’ll be releasing a new update soon that will include additional languages. Thank you for reaching out!


Title: Re: 🔥 GingerWallet.io - Desktop, Non-custodial, Open source | #CoinJoin
Post by: JollyGood on November 06, 2024, 09:08:25 AM
As Ginger Wallet is essentially a fork of Wasabi Wallet, it would should have had all of the main components of Wasabi Wallet in place including any languages when they released their fork. I used Ginger Wallet once to test their software but also have no recollection about their languages. I think with these small modifications (such as adding languages, not allowing users to change the default coordinator), over time their intention is to create distance between themselves and Wasabi Wallet as they move further away from the Wasabi Wallet source code to attract interest in their stand-alone software.


Title: Re: 🔥 GingerWallet.io - Desktop, Non-custodial, Open source | #CoinJoin
Post by: GingerWallet on November 06, 2024, 11:39:50 AM
As Ginger Wallet is essentially a fork of Wasabi Wallet, it would should have had all of the main components of Wasabi Wallet in place including any languages when they released their fork. I used Ginger Wallet once to test their software but also have no recollection about their languages. I think with these small modifications (such as adding languages, not allowing users to change the default coordinator), over time their intention is to create distance between themselves and Wasabi Wallet as they move further away from the Wasabi Wallet source code to attract interest in their stand-alone software.

Exactly. Ginger Wallet is taking a different direction from Wasabi Wallet, and it will soon become a distinct software with unique components. Quoting from our introductory article:

"We concluded with the Wasabi maintainer that our future directions were different, so we decided to create a fork of the Wasabi project. The fork was created recently after Wasabi v2.0.7.2, with no functional changes — just rebranding. Currently, both Wasabi and Ginger clients are compatible with the Ginger coordinator. However, this might change in the future, so I highly suggest downloading the Ginger Wallet client from our website."

Read more here.
https://medium.com/@molnardavid84/ginger-wallet-first-contact-1abc8d292abd

Regarding languages, this was far from a "small modification." It involved changing nearly 200 files in the repository and added a significant maintenance burden to the project.

By the way, what is your native language? Perhaps you could contribute a translation for us. Adding just one language is indeed smaller than the "small" you mentioned! 😊


Title: Re: 🔥 GingerWallet.io - Desktop, Non-custodial, Open source | #CoinJoin
Post by: BlackHatCoiner on November 06, 2024, 02:29:24 PM
"We concluded with the Wasabi maintainer that our future directions were different, so we decided to create a fork of the Wasabi project. The fork was created recently after Wasabi v2.0.7.2, with no functional changes — just rebranding. Currently, both Wasabi and Ginger clients are compatible with the Ginger coordinator. However, this might change in the future, so I highly suggest downloading the Ginger Wallet client from our website."
Could you briefly describe the disagreements you had with the Wasabi maintainer(s)? I believe explaining these differences would help your clients decide which wallet software best suits their needs. Currently, since you're a fork of Wasabi, it may not be immediately clear to customers why they should choose your fork over the original, which has been maintained for a longer time and still allows connections to your coordinator and other features.

Apologies if this has already been answered.


Title: Re: 🔥 GingerWallet.io - Desktop, Non-custodial, Open source | #CoinJoin
Post by: Pmalek on November 08, 2024, 09:21:02 AM
Could you briefly describe the disagreements you had with the Wasabi maintainer(s)? I believe explaining these differences would help your clients decide which wallet software best suits their needs. Currently, since you're a fork of Wasabi, it may not be immediately clear to customers why they should choose your fork over the original, which has been maintained for a longer time and still allows connections to your coordinator and other features.
I think one big reason is the profit side of things. Ginger wallet has made their coordinator the only one you can use with this software in one of their recent updates. You can't select a different coordinator and coinjoin with Ginger wallet. I remember that OP mentioned that the software uses 2FA, which is another security boost. Apparently, Wasabi wallet doesn't. Other than that, the two coinjoin apps should be pretty similar for now.


Title: Re: 🔥 GingerWallet.io - Desktop, Non-custodial, Open source | #CoinJoin
Post by: GingerWallet on November 08, 2024, 01:34:21 PM
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Title: Re: 🔥 GingerWallet.io - Desktop, Non-custodial, Open source | #CoinJoin
Post by: GingerWallet on November 10, 2024, 05:14:04 AM
Could you briefly describe the disagreements you had with the Wasabi maintainer(s)? I believe explaining these differences would help your clients decide which wallet software best suits their needs. Currently, since you're a fork of Wasabi, it may not be immediately clear to customers why they should choose your fork over the original, which has been maintained for a longer time and still allows connections to your coordinator and other features.
I think one big reason is the profit side of things. Ginger wallet has made their coordinator the only one you can use with this software in one of their recent updates. You can't select a different coordinator and coinjoin with Ginger wallet. I remember that OP mentioned that the software uses 2FA, which is another security boost. Apparently, Wasabi wallet doesn't. Other than that, the two coinjoin apps should be pretty similar for now.

The key distinction between GingerWallet and Wasabi lies in how coordinator selection and responsibility are handled. GingerWallet is designed to work out of the box with a default coordinator that maintained by a legal entity. This provides a streamlined experience for users by ensuring secure and seamless communication with a trusted entity.

In contrast, Wasabi does not include a default coordinator. Users must select one from the internet, placing the responsibility for this choice—and the associated risks—on the user.

Our approach reflects a fundamental difference in philosophy. By integrating a default coordinator, GingerWallet can take responsibility for its functionality and reliability. On the other hand, Wasabi prioritizes user choice but leaves the risks and responsibilities associated with that choice to the user.

We believe this distinction helps users decide which wallet aligns better with their needs and comfort level regarding security and convenience.


Title: Re: 🔥 GingerWallet.io - Desktop, Non-custodial, Open source | #CoinJoin
Post by: BlackHatCoiner on November 10, 2024, 08:18:26 AM
This provides a streamlined experience for users by ensuring secure and seamless communication with a trusted entity.
Certainly, but isn't the primary appeal of the coinJoin protocol that it's trustless-- that it doesn't require trust in the coordinator to function? Or do you believe there's still some risk involved in choosing a random coordinator for coinjoin?

There's been extensive discussion on this topic, and it would be valuable to read your perspective on it as well.


Title: Re: 🔥 GingerWallet.io - Desktop, Non-custodial, Open source | #CoinJoin
Post by: Pmalek on November 10, 2024, 09:10:55 AM
Certainly, but isn't the primary appeal of the coinJoin protocol that it's trustless-- that it doesn't require trust in the coordinator to function? Or do you believe there's still some risk involved in choosing a random coordinator for coinjoin?
Being "trustless" is just marketing gimmick. It doesn't mean anything unless you and everyone using a coordinator don't have the coding skills to read and interpret what the software does. WasabiCoordinator was also trustless, but it was discovered that they were slowly stealing their customer's bitcoin by charging higher coinjoin fees. In reality, you have to trust that the coordinator is honest and doesn't act maliciously most of the time. The alternative, learn how to code and read code and verify everything yourself. Now, how many people out of 1000 or 10000 know how to do that? 


Title: Re: 🔥 GingerWallet.io - Desktop, Non-custodial, Open source | #CoinJoin
Post by: BlackHatCoiner on November 10, 2024, 09:40:55 AM
Being "trustless" is just marketing gimmick.
Being "trustless" is not only the best selling point of coinjoin. It's the only selling point. The fact that you can mix your coins without them leaving your wallet is the whole point, otherwise you can mix them more effectively, efficiently and cheaply.

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It doesn't mean anything unless you and everyone using a coordinator don't have the coding skills to read and interpret what the software does.
Certainly, but this applies to any software. If GingerWallet is found to be malicious and funds are stolen by black-hat hackers, the outcome remains the same, whether or not you've forfeited custody. Being open-source, we assume that such risks have been addressed as thoroughly as possible.


Title: Re: 🔥 GingerWallet.io - Desktop, Non-custodial, Open source | #CoinJoin
Post by: JollyGood on November 10, 2024, 10:05:44 AM
We have no idea what is going on a server level therefore though being trustless is the selling point and main attraction for coinjoin, the fact remains there is always a possibility of some form of data harvesting taking place. I am not stating categorically that it is happening with Wasabi Wallet and/or Ginger Wallet but the possibility remains.

Being "trustless" is just marketing gimmick.
Being "trustless" is not only the best selling point of coinjoin. It's the only selling point. The fact that you can mix your coins without them leaving your wallet is the whole point, otherwise you can mix them more effectively, efficiently and cheaply.

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It doesn't mean anything unless you and everyone using a coordinator don't have the coding skills to read and interpret what the software does.
Certainly, but this applies to any software. If GingerWallet is found to be malicious and funds are stolen by black-hat hackers, the outcome remains the same, whether or not you've forfeited custody. Being open-source, we assume that such risks have been addressed as thoroughly as possible.


Title: Re: 🔥 GingerWallet.io - Desktop, Non-custodial, Open source | #CoinJoin
Post by: BlackHatCoiner on November 10, 2024, 10:25:01 AM
We have no idea what is going on a server level therefore though being trustless is the selling point and main attraction for coinjoin, the fact remains there is always a possibility of some form of data harvesting taking place. I am not stating categorically that it is happening with Wasabi Wallet and/or Ginger Wallet but the possibility remains.
Being trustless means you don't need to know what happens on the server side. The client side provides sufficient information. However, if the server launches a Sybil attack, that is by definition not detectable by the client.

I'd therefore place some trust to a coordinator with insufficient liquidity or bad reputation, as I think it's possible to successfully attack. I think Ginger would agree.


Title: Re: 🔥 GingerWallet.io - Desktop, Non-custodial, Open source | #CoinJoin
Post by: Kruw on November 10, 2024, 10:39:26 AM
If the server launches a Sybil attack, that is by definition not detectable by the client.

You are lying, you already know that clients are able to detect if the coordinator tries to partition its inputs:

There's always a small risk of getting Sybil attacked; it's just the way coinjoins are constructed. But, no, we have Mr. Absolute Truth here harassing anyone who dares to claim that Wasabi might not cure cancer.

Okay why can't you prove it then? You keep repeating this claim, but you haven't come up with any methods that would allow you to simultaneously exploit the trustless protocol in 3 different ways:

Your "solutions" don't protect you against a malicious coordinator

Why wouldn't my solutions protect me? Explain how I can still be Sybil attacked if I use the methods I described to you. Start with method 1, explain how the malicious coordinator could defeat it, then go on to method 2, explain how the malicious coordinator could defeat it, then go on to method 3 and explain how a malicious coordinator could defeat it.

Thanks to its design, the WabiSabi protocol is completely invulnerable to a Sybil attack and you've provided absolutely no evidence or argument otherwise.

Remember that it was proven that there is not just one, not just 2, but 3 different ways you can verify that the coordinator is not performing a Sybil attack!

My points proved conclusively that coordinators are trustless. You can even use all 3 anti Sybil methods together at once, you don't have to rely on just one:

- First, register your private coin to the coordinator. If it's accepted, then there's no Sybil attack.
- Second, ask your friend to register a coin to the same round. If it's accepted, then you've confirmed for a second time that there's no Sybil attack.
- Third, just to be absolutely sure, back out of the round during signing to check to see if the transaction was built to target you. If the transaction is created, you've confirmed for a third time that there's no Sybil attack.


Title: Re: 🔥 GingerWallet.io - Desktop, Non-custodial, Open source | #CoinJoin
Post by: JollyGood on November 10, 2024, 01:16:03 PM
In the end, if a user does not want to trust a software provider because of worry about what is transpiring at server level then nobody will be able to convince them otherwise. The Ginger Wallet owners have an interest in stating opinions that are going to be directly beneficial to them, however it will be interesting to read their views on this even though do not allow users to choose a different coordinator.

Being trustless means you don't need to know what happens on the server side. The client side provides sufficient information. However, if the server launches a Sybil attack, that is by definition not detectable by the client.

I'd therefore place some trust to a coordinator with insufficient liquidity or bad reputation, as I think it's possible to successfully attack. I think Ginger would agree.


Title: Re: 🔥 GingerWallet.io - Desktop, Non-custodial, Open source | #CoinJoin
Post by: GingerWallet on November 10, 2024, 04:51:35 PM
Introducing Ginger Wallet v2.0.14: Enhanced Features and Improved User Experience

https://medium.com/@martin.rimoczi/ginger-wallet-v2-0-14-new-release-a1dddbe79975


Title: Re: 🔥 GingerWallet.io - Desktop, Non-custodial, Open source | #CoinJoin
Post by: GingerWallet on November 11, 2024, 02:56:32 PM
This provides a streamlined experience for users by ensuring secure and seamless communication with a trusted entity.
Certainly, but isn't the primary appeal of the coinJoin protocol that it's trustless-- that it doesn't require trust in the coordinator to function? Or do you believe there's still some risk involved in choosing a random coordinator for coinjoin?

There's been extensive discussion on this topic, and it would be valuable to read your perspective on it as well.

There seems to be some misunderstanding regarding the topic of trustlessness in the WabiSabi protocol. To clarify, we were not addressing the protocol's trustlessness, as both GingerWallet and Wasabi take this aspect very seriously. Both teams actively research and collaborate whenever a new vulnerability is discovered, ensuring that WabiSabi-based software remains secure. Over the past months, significant improvements have been implemented in both GingerWallet and Wasabi to enhance protocol security.

The Ginger and Wasabi teams remain in contact, alongside BTCPay Server, to share insights and address any issues that arise. If you discover a new vulnerability, we encourage you to report it privately through GitHub's "Privately reporting a security vulnerability" feature. Rest assured, such reports are promptly investigated and resolved across all WabiSabi-based clients as needed.

Our previous response was about the legal risks and responsibilities associated with operating a coordinator, not the trustlessness of the protocol. Historically, zkSNACKs ceased operating its coordinator due to legal risks that were deemed too high. Following this, Wasabi removed its default coordinator and enabled users to select their own, which was a thoughtful and prudent decision to manage risk and protect its developers. For more details, we recommend exploring Wasabi's blog or engaging directly on their forum.

At GingerWallet, we approached this challenge differently. Allowing users to configure their own coordinator in GingerWallet would have exposed us to similar legal risks, which is why we chose to maintain a single default coordinator. This approach allows us to take full responsibility for its operation and maintain a streamlined user experience.

From a technical standpoint, Wasabi and GingerWallet are no longer compatible. Wasabi introduced changes, such as removing the coordinator fee, that broke compatibility with the GingerWallet coordinator. Consequently, GingerWallet cannot connect to Wasabi's protocol, and Wasabi cannot connect to Ginger's coordinator.

We hope this explanation provides clarity and context regarding the differences between the two software approaches. If you have further questions, feel free to reach out!


Title: Re: 🔥 GingerWallet.io - Desktop, Non-custodial, Open source | #CoinJoin
Post by: GingerWallet on November 13, 2024, 05:18:12 PM
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Title: Re: 🔥 GingerWallet.io - Desktop, Non-custodial, Open source | #CoinJoin
Post by: GingerWallet on November 15, 2024, 09:27:13 AM
🌍 Expanding Horizons with Ginger Wallet! 🌍
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Localization isn’t just about translation; it’s about making sure that crypto tools are intuitive and accessible for people across different cultures. With these languages, we’re empowering millions to manage their Bitcoin with ease.
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Title: Re: 🔥 GingerWallet.io - Desktop, Non-custodial, Open source | #CoinJoin
Post by: DOGEtheFBI on November 18, 2024, 06:56:20 PM
Does ginger support segwit addresses? am unable to restore one in ginger, yet sparrow/electrum work just fine.


Title: Re: 🔥 GingerWallet.io - Desktop, Non-custodial, Open source | #CoinJoin
Post by: GingerWallet on November 19, 2024, 09:26:26 AM
Does ginger support segwit addresses? am unable to restore one in ginger, yet sparrow/electrum work just fine.

Yes it allows to restore segwit addresses. Make sure to set the correct keypath before recovery.


Title: Re: 🔥 GingerWallet.io - Desktop, Non-custodial, Open source | #CoinJoin
Post by: GingerWallet on November 20, 2024, 10:01:37 AM
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Title: Re: 🔥 GingerWallet.io - Desktop, Non-custodial, Open source | #CoinJoin
Post by: GingerWallet on December 01, 2024, 04:40:25 AM
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Title: Re: 🔥 GingerWallet.io - Desktop, Non-custodial, Open source | #CoinJoin
Post by: COBRAS on December 01, 2024, 05:36:12 AM
I like coin join, exact what no one curt will be have a proof what talk about yours coins what launderyds with coinjoin.


Title: Re: 🔥 GingerWallet.io - Desktop, Non-custodial, Open source | #CoinJoin
Post by: GingerWallet on December 03, 2024, 04:52:46 PM
🌟 Ginger Wallet's Amazing November 🌟

We are thrilled to share that in November, 1,187 CoinJoins were completed with Ginger Wallet! 🚀 This is a fantastic milestone, and it wouldn’t have been possible without the support of our incredible community. Thank you all for believing in the importance of privacy and for choosing Ginger Wallet as your partner in this journey. 🙌

At Ginger Wallet, we believe that privacy is not just a luxury—it’s a necessity in the world of Bitcoin. Every CoinJoin contributes to building a stronger, more private Bitcoin ecosystem. Together, we’re proving that privacy isn’t just possible; it’s achievable for everyone.

This milestone is only the beginning. Let’s keep the momentum going and ensure that our coins stay private. By working together, we can create a future where privacy is the standard, not the exception.

🔒 Start your journey toward better Bitcoin privacy today: gingerwallet.io

Thank you for being part of this journey. Let’s continue to pave the way toward a more private and secure Bitcoin world! 💪✨


Title: Re: 🔥 GingerWallet.io - Desktop, Non-custodial, Open source | #CoinJoin
Post by: JollyGood on December 03, 2024, 09:51:18 PM
Congratulations on your milestones.

I will take the opportunity to state that it does not make much sense for people to use Ginger Wallet because of the fee involved when there are alternatives that allow users to select their chosen/preferred coinjoin coordinator. I can understand from a financial perspective you would want to force users to specifically use the default coordinator in order for you to receive the 0.3% fee but why would users pay for it when they can coinjoin for free?

🌟 Ginger Wallet's Amazing November 🌟


Title: Re: 🔥 GingerWallet.io - Desktop, Non-custodial, Open source | #CoinJoin
Post by: GingerWallet on December 04, 2024, 11:39:10 AM
Congratulations on your milestones.

I will take the opportunity to state that it does not make much sense for people to use Ginger Wallet because of the fee involved when there are alternatives that allow users to select their chosen/preferred coinjoin coordinator. I can understand from a financial perspective you would want to force users to specifically use the default coordinator in order for you to receive the 0.3% fee but why would users pay for it when they can coinjoin for free?

🌟 Ginger Wallet's Amazing November 🌟

Thank you for reaching out to us again! We’ve already addressed this question in our previous response, but I’d like to add that Ginger is designed to be user-friendly for everyone. There’s no need to deal with coordinator setup—it’s simple and hassle-free for all users.

If you have any further questions, feel free to let us know. We’re here to help!


Title: Re: 🔥 GingerWallet.io - Desktop, Non-custodial, Open source | #CoinJoin
Post by: GingerWallet on December 04, 2024, 04:17:15 PM
🎉 The New GingerWallet Release is Out Now! 🎉

📢 Stay Updated with Ginger News
Never miss out on important updates or announcements again! 📰 The app now seamlessly displays the latest Ginger news and notifications to keep you informed at all times.

✨ Improved Settings Layouts
Enjoy a cleaner, more user-friendly interface! We've revamped the Settings and Wallet Settings pages, unifying entry fields and optimizing layouts for a better user experience.

🛠 Simplified CoinJoin Settings
No more hassle! We've removed CoinJoin Profiles and consolidated all related settings into a single page, grouped by category for easier navigation.

🔧 New Feature: CoinJoin Random Skip
Take control of your CoinJoin preferences! You can now adjust or disable the Random Skip setting directly from the app.

🧪 Experimental: Tunable Coin Selector for CoinJoins
Gain more flexibility! This experimental feature allows you to fine-tune how coins are selected for CoinJoins, providing a personalized experience.

🐛 Bug Fixes and Improvements
We’ve squashed bugs and made enhancements to ensure a smoother, more reliable experience.

👉 Update your app now and experience the difference!

🌐 For more updates, visit https://gingerwallet.io


Title: Re: 🔥 GingerWallet.io - Desktop, Non-custodial, Open source | #CoinJoin
Post by: GingerWallet on December 07, 2024, 07:58:31 AM
📢 Introducing the New CoinJoin Coin Selector for Ginger Wallet! 🛡

We’re excited to share an in-depth look at our latest feature: the CoinJoin Coin Selector! 🚀 This enhancement gives users even more control and flexibility when managing their Bitcoin privacy.

🔗 Read the full article here: https://medium.com/@martin.rimoczi/new-coinjoin-coin-selector-for-ginger-wallet-77f74556f864

Explore how this feature takes your Bitcoin privacy to the next level. 🧡

#GingerWallet #BitcoinPrivacy #CoinJoin #CryptoWallet


Title: Re: 🔥 GingerWallet.io - Desktop, Non-custodial, Open source | #CoinJoin
Post by: JollyGood on December 07, 2024, 01:25:09 PM
I have not downloaded Ginger Wallet since using it on one occasion to review it. Currently I have no plans to download it again but I did look through the Medium article to try to understand what you mean by coinjoin coin selector. It does not mention anything about allowing users to select their preferred coordinator and relates to levels of privacy. In the near future will you allow users to choose a coordinator of their preference?

📢 Introducing the New CoinJoin Coin Selector for Ginger Wallet! 🛡

We’re excited to share an in-depth look at our latest feature: the CoinJoin Coin Selector! 🚀 This enhancement gives users even more control and flexibility when managing their Bitcoin privacy.

🔗 Read the full article here: https://medium.com/@martin.rimoczi/new-coinjoin-coin-selector-for-ginger-wallet-77f74556f864

Explore how this feature takes your Bitcoin privacy to the next level. 🧡

#GingerWallet #BitcoinPrivacy #CoinJoin #CryptoWallet


Title: Re: 🔥 GingerWallet.io - Desktop, Non-custodial, Open source | #CoinJoin
Post by: GingerWallet on December 09, 2024, 06:01:23 PM
https://www.therage.co/vulnerability-wabisabi-coinjoin/


Title: Re: 🔥 GingerWallet.io - Desktop, Non-custodial, Open source | #CoinJoin
Post by: GingerWallet on December 10, 2024, 06:52:06 AM
GingerWallet, the fork of WasabiWallet maintained by former zkSNACKs employees after the shut down of the Wasabi coinjoin coordinator, has received a vulnerability report from developer drkgry.

https://bitcoinmagazine.com/technical/wabisabi-deanonymization-vulnerability-disclosed


Title: Re: 🔥 GingerWallet.io - Desktop, Non-custodial, Open source | #CoinJoin
Post by: GingerWallet on December 10, 2024, 02:27:21 PM
Privacy Alert: A Vulnerability in WabiSabi and What It Means for You

https://medium.com/@martin.rimoczi/privacy-alert-a-vulnerability-in-wabisabi-and-what-it-means-for-you-2cb44ac9f8d3


Title: Re: 🔥 GingerWallet.io - Desktop, Non-custodial, Open source | #CoinJoin
Post by: GingerWallet on December 17, 2024, 03:12:28 PM
🎁 Ginger Wallet Holiday Gift: 3 Days of Free CoinJoin! 🎁

To thank you for your amazing support and to wish you a privacy-focused holiday season, we’re offering 3 days of Free CoinJoin from December 18 at 8 PM (CET) to December 20 at 8 PM (CET).

✨ For 3 days, you won’t have to pay the coordinator fee!

🎄 Celebrate the holidays with peace of mind and full privacy!
Don’t miss this chance to try Ginger Wallet – you won’t regret it.

Happy Holidays and Stay Private! 🧡

👉 gingerwallet.io
💬 Join the conversation: https://t.me/GingerWallet


Title: Re: 🔥 GingerWallet.io - Desktop, Non-custodial, Open source | #CoinJoin
Post by: GingerWallet on December 18, 2024, 03:01:05 PM
🎄 Free CoinJoin Starts Today! 🎄

Just a friendly reminder that 3 days of Free CoinJoin starts today at 8 PM (CET) and runs until December 20 at 8 PM (CET)!

Enjoy this holiday gift and take advantage of full privacy with Ginger Wallet. 🎁

👉 Don’t miss out – start CoinJoining today!

✨ The coordinator fee is completely free during this period. (Note: Network fees still apply.)

Happy Holidays and Stay Private! 🧡

👉 gingerwallet.io
💬 Join the conversation: https://t.me/GingerWallet


Title: Re: 🔥 GingerWallet.io - Desktop, Non-custodial, Open source | #CoinJoin
Post by: GingerWallet on December 20, 2024, 08:08:33 AM
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🎄 Take advantage of this holiday gift and make your transactions private before it’s over.

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Happy Holidays and Stay Private! 🧡

👉 gingerwallet.io
💬 Join the conversation: https://t.me/GingerWallet


Title: Re: 🔥 GingerWallet.io - Desktop, Non-custodial, Open source | #CoinJoin
Post by: GingerWallet on December 24, 2024, 06:00:58 AM
🎄✨ Merry Christmas from Ginger Wallet! 🎁✨
As we gather around the tree and share the warmth of the season, we wish you all a peaceful, joyous, and most importantly, private holiday!
In a world where digital privacy is more important than ever, Ginger Wallet is here to help you protect your Bitcoin while enjoying the festivities with loved ones. 🎅🔒

Thank you for being part of our journey this year. Here’s to a bright and prosperous New Year filled with security, freedom, and growth! 🌟

Stay safe, stay private, and have a wonderful holiday season! 🎄🧡

👉 http://gingerwallet.io
💬 Join the conversation: https://t.me/GingerWallet



Title: Re: 🔥 GingerWallet.io - Desktop, Non-custodial, Open source | #CoinJoin
Post by: GingerWallet on December 31, 2024, 06:13:07 PM
🎉 Happy New Year from the Ginger Wallet team! 🎊

A huge thank you to everyone who supported us throughout this incredible year. Your trust and enthusiasm drive us to continue improving and building a more private Bitcoin future.

Let’s keep this momentum going in 2025! Together, we can safeguard privacy and embrace the freedom Bitcoin offers. Don’t forget to CoinJoin next year too—it’s the best way to give your coins the anonymity they deserve! 🛡

Here’s to a privacy-rich, successful, and Bitcoin-secure 2025! 🌟

Start the year right with Ginger Wallet: http://gingerwallet.io

#HappyNewYear #Bitcoin #CoinJoin #PrivacyMatters #2025


Title: Re: 🔥 GingerWallet.io - Desktop, Non-custodial, Open source | #CoinJoin
Post by: icopress on December 31, 2024, 06:49:54 PM
I join in the congratulations with great pleasure, especially considering that GingerWallet is the locomotive of the entire niche.

I will also very soon make sure that the most active participants in this thread get what they really deserve.

Happy New Year to everyone! 🎅


Title: Re: 🔥 GingerWallet.io - Desktop, Non-custodial, Open source | #CoinJoin
Post by: Bitcoin Smith on January 08, 2025, 03:22:20 PM
While downloading the wallet to post the address from wallet which is the required format for signature campaign application, I noticed a bug not sure if it's been mentioned already, but I faced just recently so it's not resolved and it should be.

What's the bug?

Create new wallet => 12 words recovery seed page => selecting the 12 words in order (only 11 were words shown), so, it not possible to enter the words manually by ourselves I had to give couple of tries before finally getting the 12 words even though I downloaded it successfully it needs attention.

Also how long the initial sync time? It has been more than 30 mins and currently I am only around 38% progress.


Title: Re: 🔥 GingerWallet.io - Desktop, Non-custodial, Open source | #CoinJoin
Post by: apogio on January 08, 2025, 03:48:36 PM
Also how long the initial sync time? It has been more than 30 mins and currently I am only around 38% progress.

I 've been using it for a couple of months to be honest. The initial sync took approximately 3-4 hrs with TOR enabled. It will pass, don't worry! Just wait, because TOR is slow.


Title: Re: 🔥 GingerWallet.io - Desktop, Non-custodial, Open source | #CoinJoin
Post by: SamReomo on January 08, 2025, 04:30:53 PM
Found about GingerWallet after seeing the signature campaign at services board, and to be honest this seems to be a great project without any doubt. It's true a new way for the ones who prefer anonymity and privacy of their coins. One should read the terms and conditions before using it.


Title: Re: 🔥 GingerWallet.io - Desktop, Non-custodial, Open source | #CoinJoin
Post by: traderethereum on January 08, 2025, 04:47:47 PM
Also how long the initial sync time? It has been more than 30 mins and currently I am only around 38% progress.
I am finished the initial sync for about 30 mins or so but less than 1 hour. Yes, the percentage seems running slow but it runs. No need to worry. It will finished the process by itself. I don't use TOR but only with normal connection.


Title: Re: 🔥 GingerWallet.io - Desktop, Non-custodial, Open source | #CoinJoin
Post by: Bitcoin Smith on January 08, 2025, 05:02:21 PM
The initial sync took approximately 3-4 hrs with TOR enabled. It will pass, don't worry! Just wait, because TOR is slow.
Almost 2 hours and I am around 78% so yeah hopefully it will be synced in the next hour or so.


Title: Re: 🔥 GingerWallet.io - Desktop, Non-custodial, Open source | #CoinJoin
Post by: sheenshane on January 08, 2025, 06:01:24 PM
The initial sync took approximately 3-4 hrs with TOR enabled. It will pass, don't worry! Just wait, because TOR is slow.
Almost 2 hours and I am around 78% so yeah hopefully it will be synced in the next hour or so.
It's almost there!
I got almost 3 hours of waiting (I think it's 2 hrs. and 45 mins.) and it successfully running my own node now.

But it makes me confused here, when you say you're connected to the node it should be there's green color dot, isn't it?
But it looks like this.
https://www.talkimg.com/images/2025/01/08/Offff.png


Title: Re: 🔥 GingerWallet.io - Desktop, Non-custodial, Open source | #CoinJoin
Post by: apogio on January 08, 2025, 06:06:22 PM
It's almost there!
I got almost 3 hours of waiting (I think it's 2 hrs. and 45 mins.) and it successfully running my own node now.

But it makes me confused here, when you say you're connected to the node it should be there's green color dot, isn't it?
But it looks like this.
https://www.talkimg.com/images/2025/01/08/Offff.png


When the sync finishes, it doesn't mean that you 're running a node. In order to run a bitcoin node, you need much more than 3hrs of waiting because it downloads all the transactions from block 0.

Actually I said that I 've connected Ginger wallet to a Bitcoin Core instance (bitcoin node) that I run on the same device.

Have a look at this:

https://talkimg.com/images/2025/01/08/OfyKZ.png

If you run Bitcoin Core, then Ginger wallet will communicate with it using the port 8333.

If you don't run Bitcoin Core, it's still not a problem, it will work either way.


Title: Re: 🔥 GingerWallet.io - Desktop, Non-custodial, Open source | #CoinJoin
Post by: ABCbits on January 08, 2025, 08:02:41 PM
For those who curious why initial sync took some time, Ginger Wallet website mention article link by nopara73[1]. While that article mention Wasabi Wallet, it also applies to Ginger (which is fork of Wasabi). Good thing i happen to run full node, so initial sync done in less than 20 minutes.

Also how long the initial sync time? It has been more than 30 mins and currently I am only around 38% progress.
I am finished the initial sync for about 30 mins or so but less than 1 hour. Yes, the percentage seems running slow but it runs. No need to worry. It will finished the process by itself. I don't use TOR but only with normal connection.

So you disable "Network Anonymization (Tor)" on setting manually? I guess there's no serious privacy concern, since you just download block filter data during initial sync.

[1] https://nopara73.medium.com/bitcoin-core-vs-wasabi-wallet-network-level-privacy-bdca1d501387 (https://nopara73.medium.com/bitcoin-core-vs-wasabi-wallet-network-level-privacy-bdca1d501387)


Title: Re: GingerWallet.io - Desktop, Non-custodial, Open source | #CoinJoin
Post by: PX-Z on January 08, 2025, 09:51:28 PM
I am finished the initial sync for about 30 mins or so but less than 1 hour. Yes, the percentage seems running slow but it runs. No need to worry. It will finished the process by itself. I don't use TOR but only with normal connection.

So you disable "Network Anonymization (Tor)" on setting manually? I guess there's no serious privacy concern, since you just download block filter data during initial sync.

[1] https://nopara73.medium.com/bitcoin-core-vs-wasabi-wallet-network-level-privacy-bdca1d501387 (https://nopara73.medium.com/bitcoin-core-vs-wasabi-wallet-network-level-privacy-bdca1d501387)
This is what I've actually done without asking questions or checking here, lol. Because it is always in my mind (based on my past experience) that TOR connections always takes slower than without it. It only takes 10-15 20 minutes (without the app crashing lol) before the wallet syncs on my part , then enable TOR again after the sync.


Title: Re: 🔥 GingerWallet.io - Desktop, Non-custodial, Open source | #CoinJoin
Post by: traderethereum on January 09, 2025, 06:00:08 AM
For those who curious why initial sync took some time, Ginger Wallet website mention article link by nopara73[1]. While that article mention Wasabi Wallet, it also applies to Ginger (which is fork of Wasabi). Good thing i happen to run full node, so initial sync done in less than 20 minutes.

Also how long the initial sync time? It has been more than 30 mins and currently I am only around 38% progress.
I am finished the initial sync for about 30 mins or so but less than 1 hour. Yes, the percentage seems running slow but it runs. No need to worry. It will finished the process by itself. I don't use TOR but only with normal connection.

So you disable "Network Anonymization (Tor)" on setting manually? I guess there's no serious privacy concern, since you just download block filter data during initial sync.

[1] https://nopara73.medium.com/bitcoin-core-vs-wasabi-wallet-network-level-privacy-bdca1d501387 (https://nopara73.medium.com/bitcoin-core-vs-wasabi-wallet-network-level-privacy-bdca1d501387)
I am not yet explore for more but what I did is just download from the site until its done. Then I installed but it needs for sometime until it finish, but I guess the software download some files needed to completed.

After the installation is done, I see a message like @apogio explain appear and I just click what it needs and everything is done. I forgot to screenshot what I did so maybe you confuse about that. Maybe later I will explore the software to know more.


Title: Re: 🔥 GingerWallet.io - Desktop, Non-custodial, Open source | #CoinJoin
Post by: GingerWallet on January 09, 2025, 07:32:46 AM
While downloading the wallet to post the address from wallet which is the required format for signature campaign application, I noticed a bug not sure if it's been mentioned already, but I faced just recently so it's not resolved and it should be.

What's the bug?

Create new wallet => 12 words recovery seed page => selecting the 12 words in order (only 11 were words shown), so, it not possible to enter the words manually by ourselves I had to give couple of tries before finally getting the 12 words even though I downloaded it successfully it needs attention.

Also how long the initial sync time? It has been more than 30 mins and currently I am only around 38% progress.

Hi, could you please describe the issue in detail so we can look into it? We haven’t encountered a similar issue before. I just created a wallet as a test, and the issue didn’t occur for me.

If you're starting Ginger for the first time, it might feel quite slow because discovering new nodes can be unusually slow for some reason.


Title: Re: 🔥 GingerWallet.io - Desktop, Non-custodial, Open source | #CoinJoin
Post by: GingerWallet on January 09, 2025, 07:40:37 AM
For those who curious why initial sync took some time, Ginger Wallet website mention article link by nopara73[1]. While that article mention Wasabi Wallet, it also applies to Ginger (which is fork of Wasabi). Good thing i happen to run full node, so initial sync done in less than 20 minutes.

Also how long the initial sync time? It has been more than 30 mins and currently I am only around 38% progress.
I am finished the initial sync for about 30 mins or so but less than 1 hour. Yes, the percentage seems running slow but it runs. No need to worry. It will finished the process by itself. I don't use TOR but only with normal connection.

So you disable "Network Anonymization (Tor)" on setting manually? I guess there's no serious privacy concern, since you just download block filter data during initial sync.

[1] https://nopara73.medium.com/bitcoin-core-vs-wasabi-wallet-network-level-privacy-bdca1d501387 (https://nopara73.medium.com/bitcoin-core-vs-wasabi-wallet-network-level-privacy-bdca1d501387)

Thank you for sharing nopara73 's article! It covers everything you need to know about it. If you still have any questions, feel free to ask anytime!


Title: Re: 🔥 GingerWallet.io - Desktop, Non-custodial, Open source | #CoinJoin
Post by: NotATether on January 09, 2025, 08:07:31 AM
Privacy Alert: A Vulnerability in WabiSabi and What It Means for You

https://medium.com/@martin.rimoczi/privacy-alert-a-vulnerability-in-wabisabi-and-what-it-means-for-you-2cb44ac9f8d3

Which versions of Wasabi Wallet, Ginger and BTCPayServer was this vulnerability fixed?


Title: Re: 🔥 GingerWallet.io - Desktop, Non-custodial, Open source | #CoinJoin
Post by: Kruw on January 09, 2025, 08:09:15 AM
Which versions of Wasabi Wallet, Ginger and BTCPayServer was this vulnerability fixed?

According the the article from TheRage:

Quote
The vulnerability affects Wasabi Wallet 2.2.1.0 and below, Ginger Wallet 2.0.13 and below, and the BTCPay Server coinjoin plugin 1.0.101.0 and below.


Title: Re: 🔥 GingerWallet.io - Desktop, Non-custodial, Open source | #CoinJoin
Post by: bSpend on January 09, 2025, 08:55:22 AM
Also how long the initial sync time? It has been more than 30 mins and currently I am only around 38% progress.
I am finished the initial sync for about 30 mins or so but less than 1 hour. Yes, the percentage seems running slow but it runs. No need to worry. It will finished the process by itself. I don't use TOR but only with normal connection.
OK, i came here to actually find out or get some information on this, I installed the wallet and was expecting to get my bitcoin address immediately 😁, realized the sync will have to complete before I get my bitcoin deposit address, I've been waiting for the process to complete for more than 45 minutes now, almost an hour, the sync runs fast a bit and then slows down, and sometimes, it's on standstill without any form of progress, I am on my normal connection too, kind of frustrating but have no choice but to wait for the process to complete.


Title: Re: 🔥 GingerWallet.io - Desktop, Non-custodial, Open source | #CoinJoin
Post by: traderethereum on January 09, 2025, 01:28:07 PM
Also how long the initial sync time? It has been more than 30 mins and currently I am only around 38% progress.
I am finished the initial sync for about 30 mins or so but less than 1 hour. Yes, the percentage seems running slow but it runs. No need to worry. It will finished the process by itself. I don't use TOR but only with normal connection.
OK, i came here to actually find out or get some information on this, I installed the wallet and was expecting to get my bitcoin address immediately 😁, realized the sync will have to complete before I get my bitcoin deposit address, I've been waiting for the process to complete for more than 45 minutes now, almost an hour, the sync runs fast a bit and then slows down, and sometimes, it's on standstill without any form of progress, I am on my normal connection too, kind of frustrating but have no choice but to wait for the process to complete.
We are in the same situation. After I checked Ginger wallet setting, that is a default setting that I have in my Ginger wallet after I downloaded the software. Yes, the process to complete takes time and as your explaining, the sync run fast a bit and slow down and it seems not stable. But so far, the wallet works perfectly.

https://i.postimg.cc/C5h2X4Lw/ginger-wallet-setting.png


Title: Re: 🔥 GingerWallet.io - Desktop, Non-custodial, Open source | #CoinJoin
Post by: Bitcoin Smith on January 09, 2025, 02:45:19 PM
Hi, could you please describe the issue in detail so we can look into it? We haven’t encountered a similar issue before. I just created a wallet as a test, and the issue didn’t occur for me.

If you're starting Ginger for the first time, it might feel quite slow because discovering new nodes can be unusually slow for some reason.

https://www.talkimg.com/images/2025/01/09/OVPQo.png

This is the page I had the error, in this picture we have 12 words that we supposed to select in order but when I tried here I only had 11 words instead of 12 but I failed to take the screenshot at that time and I tried again but the error didn't occur but still I let you guys know here to see if someone else faced the same kind of bug.

It's almost there!
I got almost 3 hours of waiting (I think it's 2 hrs. and 45 mins.) and it successfully running my own node now.

But it makes me confused here, when you say you're connected to the node it should be there's green color dot, isn't it?
But it looks like this.
https://www.talkimg.com/images/2025/01/08/Offff.png

The last 20% took more than expected but it synced with no crashes, so happy with that.

The dot doesn't necessarily mean is symbol for online it could mean other things because I tried opening the wallet with my internet offline still the dot is shown so it's not meant for our wallet's online status.


Title: Re: 🔥 GingerWallet.io - Desktop, Non-custodial, Open source | #CoinJoin
Post by: GingerWallet on January 09, 2025, 05:32:23 PM
Hi, could you please describe the issue in detail so we can look into it? We haven’t encountered a similar issue before. I just created a wallet as a test, and the issue didn’t occur for me.

If you're starting Ginger for the first time, it might feel quite slow because discovering new nodes can be unusually slow for some reason.

https://www.talkimg.com/images/2025/01/09/OVPQo.png

This is the page I had the error, in this picture we have 12 words that we supposed to select in order but when I tried here I only had 11 words instead of 12 but I failed to take the screenshot at that time and I tried again but the error didn't occur but still I let you guys know here to see if someone else faced the same kind of bug.

It's almost there!
I got almost 3 hours of waiting (I think it's 2 hrs. and 45 mins.) and it successfully running my own node now.

But it makes me confused here, when you say you're connected to the node it should be there's green color dot, isn't it?
But it looks like this.
https://www.talkimg.com/images/2025/01/08/Offff.png

The last 20% took more than expected but it synced with no crashes, so happy with that.



Hi,
Thank you for letting us know!

At the moment, we couldn’t identify any issue of this kind, but if it happens again, please don’t hesitate to reach out. In the meantime, we’ll take a closer look to ensure everything is running smoothly.


If the dot is illuminated, it means you are logged into the wallet.
If it’s blinking, the wallet is still loading.
If it’s orange, the wallet is currently performing a CoinJoin.
I hope this helps! Let me know if you have any further questions.




Title: Re: 🔥 GingerWallet.io - Desktop, Non-custodial, Open source | #CoinJoin
Post by: Forsyth Jones on January 09, 2025, 11:07:25 PM
Just dropping by to make a few points:

  • I liked the fact that the wallet can connect to a full node (as it was in Wasabi) and that we don't have to depend on someone else's server. For me, who has a full node, this makes a huge difference.
  • It's the first single-sig wallet I've seen that has a two-factor authenticator. I haven't tested the feature yet, but I'd love to try it when I sign transactions! This is very important for security.
  • I went to the website and GitHub, but I couldn't find the option to download the project's pub key so I could verify the installer's signature. Could someone show me where I can find it?

Gingerwallet really has something different about it and I'll definitely recommend it!


Title: Re: 🔥 GingerWallet.io - Desktop, Non-custodial, Open source | #CoinJoin
Post by: DiMarxist on January 10, 2025, 06:36:36 AM
Any Wallet that is not mobile phone friendly will not have much users because not everyone has computer to use many people don't to move with laptop. So I recommend GingerWallet.io company to provide Android version in mobile phones, iPhone, iOS devices for more users. I am not making any comparison but just an example, Electrum Wallet is the most use bitcoin wallet in the wallet if I am not mistaken and probably because it works in different devices. And the way I look at the wallet, it links to conjoin and wasabi because I saw conjoin at the top of the wallet and wasabi at the bottom.


Title: Re: 🔥 GingerWallet.io - Desktop, Non-custodial, Open source | #CoinJoin
Post by: traderethereum on January 10, 2025, 06:50:42 AM
Any Wallet that is not mobile phone friendly will not have much users because not everyone has computer to use many people don't to move with laptop. So I recommend GingerWallet.io company to provide Android version in mobile phones, iPhone, iOS devices for more users. I am not making any comparison but just an example, Electrum Wallet is the most use bitcoin wallet in the wallet if I am not mistaken and probably because it works in different devices. And the way I look at the wallet, it links to conjoin and wasabi because I saw conjoin at the top of the wallet and wasabi at the bottom.
I am sure that will be their concern and will accomodate your suggestion to their team. They will provide applications for Android version, iPhone, iOS for more users once its ready so we should wait for the next announcement from them.

Creating an application can not be instant as they need to check all things before they release to public. Maybe they now are still develop the applications but not tells to us because they still works on that.


Title: Re: 🔥 GingerWallet.io - Desktop, Non-custodial, Open source | #CoinJoin
Post by: FinneysTrueVision on January 10, 2025, 08:12:33 AM
  • I went to the website and GitHub, but I couldn't find the option to download the project's pub key so I could verify the installer's signature. Could someone show me where I can find it?

It is at the bottom of the homepage. The text links to this GitHub page: https://github.com/GingerPrivacy/GingerWallet/blob/master/PGP.txt

https://www.talkimg.com/images/2025/01/10/O1VHT.png


Title: Re: 🔥 GingerWallet.io - Desktop, Non-custodial, Open source | #CoinJoin
Post by: beveryu778 on January 10, 2025, 08:31:14 AM
This wallet has a nice feature where when copying wallets it generates different ones one at a time as I have seen in coinbase wallet. In coinbase, once the funds are received, the wallet is changed, but here there is no need to receive funds, every time a new wallet is available.

But I have faced problem few times while creating this wallet where while loading the wallet it says wallet crash and stop loading. After many tries the quality has been successfully created. What could be causing this problem?


Title: Re: 🔥 GingerWallet.io - Desktop, Non-custodial, Open source | #CoinJoin
Post by: ABCbits on January 10, 2025, 09:18:54 AM
--snip--
But I have faced problem few times while creating this wallet where while loading the wallet it says wallet crash and stop loading. After many tries the quality has been successfully created. What could be causing this problem?

I expect Ginger Wallet team would have hard time giving assistance if you don't include information such as,
1. Your OS (operating system).
2. Which Ginger Wallet file you download and install (since there are 2 files for Mac OS or Linux user).
3. Relevant part of Logs.txt generated by Ginger Wallet. I don't know about Mac and Windows, but on Linux it's located on "/home/YOUR_USERNAME/.gingerwallet/client/Logs.txt".


Title: Re: 🔥 GingerWallet.io - Desktop, Non-custodial, Open source | #CoinJoin
Post by: GingerWallet on January 10, 2025, 09:34:03 AM
Just dropping by to make a few points:

  • I liked the fact that the wallet can connect to a full node (as it was in Wasabi) and that we don't have to depend on someone else's server. For me, who has a full node, this makes a huge difference.
  • It's the first single-sig wallet I've seen that has a two-factor authenticator. I haven't tested the feature yet, but I'd love to try it when I sign transactions! This is very important for security.
  • I went to the website and GitHub, but I couldn't find the option to download the project's pub key so I could verify the installer's signature. Could someone show me where I can find it?

Gingerwallet really has something different about it and I'll definitely recommend it!

Ginger offers two full node-related features. The first allows Ginger to run a full node in the background (accessible via Settings/Bitcoin => Run Knots on startup), and the second involves setting up a Bitcoin P2P Endpoint. Both features enhance privacy and significantly improve synchronization speed. While they reduce reliance on the server, Ginger is not entirely server-independent. Essential blockchain data, including block filters, estimates, and CoinJoin coordination services, is still provided by the backend.

It’s important to emphasize that Ginger is a non-custodial wallet. This means you can always recover your funds using your recovery words in Electrum, Wasabi, or any BIP39-compatible wallet. Even if Ginger were to cease operations, your funds remain under your control. Make sure to securely store your recovery words and verify them, if needed, using the Recovery Words Verifier in Wallet Settings/Tools.

The 2FA feature protects all your wallets by requiring you to enter it whenever starting Ginger. If you’ve set a passphrase, you’ll need to enter it before sending transactions, but 2FA is not required at that stage. This feature provides more than just 2FA—it also encrypts all wallet files on your device. For further details, visit our FAQ section: https://gingerwallet.io/#help.

Our PGP fingerprint can be found on the website near the download section: https://gingerwallet.io/index.html#download. Additionally, I’ll add it to the repository under PGP.txt for easier access. Thanks for suggesting this improvement!

Feel free to reach out with any additional questions!


Title: Re: 🔥 GingerWallet.io - Desktop, Non-custodial, Open source | #CoinJoin
Post by: Forsyth Jones on January 10, 2025, 11:47:31 PM
Ginger offers two full node-related features. The first allows Ginger to run a full node in the background (accessible via Settings/Bitcoin => Run Knots on startup), and the second involves setting up a Bitcoin P2P Endpoint. Both features enhance privacy and significantly improve synchronization speed. While they reduce reliance on the server, Ginger is not entirely server-independent. Essential blockchain data, including block filters, estimates, and CoinJoin coordination services, is still provided by the backend.
Thanks for the excellent feedback. So if I have my bitcoin core node running (or bitcoind) and open the Ginderwallet, it will connect directly to my full node without needing any prior configuration?

One more thing, on my Windows I had installed Wasabi and had created test wallets there. When I installed the Ginderwallet, it automatically loaded the wallets I had in Wasabi (I wasn't surprised, since Ginder is a fork). However, I no longer need these wallet files. I didn't find the option to delete them in the application. I deleted the Wasabi and Ginderwallet wallet folders, but the wallets were loaded again. What am I doing wrong?


Title: Re: 🔥 GingerWallet.io - Desktop, Non-custodial, Open source | #CoinJoin
Post by: Bitcoin Smith on January 11, 2025, 07:52:46 AM
Any Wallet that is not mobile phone friendly will not have much users because not everyone has computer to use many people don't to move with laptop. So I recommend GingerWallet.io company to provide Android version in mobile phones, iPhone, iOS devices for more users. I am not making any comparison but just an example, Electrum Wallet is the most use bitcoin wallet in the wallet if I am not mistaken and probably because it works in different devices. And the way I look at the wallet, it links to conjoin and wasabi because I saw conjoin at the top of the wallet and wasabi at the bottom.
Not really, an actual crypto user will prefer the desktop for holding their assets especially a cold storage so it's not a fact that any wallet that is available only for desktop will not be popular. And it will be a pain in the ass to use wallets in small screen also their hardware resources are limited and can't able to handle the node like feature. Technically it's possible to create on mobile platforms but no one is gonna use that wallet.


Title: Re: 🔥 GingerWallet.io - Desktop, Non-custodial, Open source | #CoinJoin
Post by: sheenshane on January 11, 2025, 01:19:52 PM
Any Wallet that is not mobile phone friendly will not have much users because not everyone has computer to use many people don't to move with laptop. So I recommend GingerWallet.io company to provide Android version in mobile phones, iPhone, iOS devices for more users. I am not making any comparison but just an example, Electrum Wallet is the most use bitcoin wallet in the wallet if I am not mistaken and probably because it works in different devices. And the way I look at the wallet, it links to conjoin and wasabi because I saw conjoin at the top of the wallet and wasabi at the bottom.
Not really, an actual crypto user will prefer the desktop for holding their assets especially a cold storage so it's not a fact that any wallet that is available only for desktop will not be popular. And it will be a pain in the ass to use wallets in small screen also their hardware resources are limited and can't able to handle the node like feature. Technically it's possible to create on mobile platforms but no one is gonna use that wallet.
I tend to agree with this.
Mobile phones has only a limited storage capacity that can nodes fully syncing and also the processing power that for sure didn't enough for the node requirements to run.  So, this request that has in mobile phone is impossible to happen.

Desktop is way safer than mobile, plus factor the non-custodial and open source in Ginger wallet.


Title: Re: 🔥 GingerWallet.io - Desktop, Non-custodial, Open source | #CoinJoin
Post by: Forsyth Jones on January 11, 2025, 03:06:37 PM
Any Wallet that is not mobile phone friendly will not have much users because not everyone has computer to use many people don't to move with laptop. So I recommend GingerWallet.io company to provide Android version in mobile phones, iPhone, iOS devices for more users. I am not making any comparison but just an example, Electrum Wallet is the most use bitcoin wallet in the wallet if I am not mistaken and probably because it works in different devices. And the way I look at the wallet, it links to conjoin and wasabi because I saw conjoin at the top of the wallet and wasabi at the bottom.
In the frequently asked questions (FAQ) section this question is addressed:

IS THERE AN ANDROID/IOS VERSION?

No. Ginger’s features, like coinjoin, require considerable computational power, which are currently not replicable on a smartphone.

Not really, an actual crypto user will prefer the desktop for holding their assets especially a cold storage so it's not a fact that any wallet that is available only for desktop will not be popular. And it will be a pain in the ass to use wallets in small screen also their hardware resources are limited and can't able to handle the node like feature. Technically it's possible to create on mobile platforms but no one is gonna use that wallet.
Agree, plus the target audience for this wallet prefers to use the desktop version. So devs have no reason to spend their efforts on creating versions that are currently not viable, but on what is working.


Title: Re: 🔥 GingerWallet.io - Desktop, Non-custodial, Open source | #CoinJoin
Post by: Bitcoin Smith on January 11, 2025, 03:13:34 PM
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Looks like you swapped the quotes.


Title: Re: 🔥 GingerWallet.io - Desktop, Non-custodial, Open source | #CoinJoin
Post by: Hanadawa on January 12, 2025, 03:19:36 AM
Desktop is way safer than mobile, plus factor the non-custodial and open source in Ginger wallet.
Honestly I also prefer to keep my assets on desktop for privacy and security reasons. And Ginger as a non-custodial wallet certainly requires a lot of computing power but that's what makes them much more secure with higher privacy. I personally don't mind downloading another wallet on my phone because I only do a few transactions or trades. My main wallet is on desktop and I think Ginger wallet will be my favorite wallet. :D

By the way after everything is done my Ginger wallet is stuck and says "7 seconds remaining" but it's been over 30 minutes. Is my desktop not compatible or do I need to reopen my ginger wallet?

https://www.talkimg.com/images/2025/01/12/O7oua.png


Title: Re: 🔥 GingerWallet.io - Desktop, Non-custodial, Open source | #CoinJoin
Post by: Bitcoin Smith on January 12, 2025, 07:39:30 AM

By the way after everything is done my Ginger wallet is stuck and says "7 seconds remaining" but it's been over 30 minutes. Is my desktop not compatible or do I need to reopen my ginger wallet?
https://www.talkimg.com/images/2025/01/12/O7oua.png

It happened for me around 80% and I toggled TOR disabled and then enabled it again which worked for me so if the problem still persists for a while then I suggest you to try what I did. Closing and opening again might start the syncing from the beginning so just be patient until the sync complete. Also please chmake sure your internet connection is fine.

You can find TOR settings under Settings => General => Network Anonymization

https://www.talkimg.com/images/2025/01/12/O7qxI.png


Title: Re: 🔥 GingerWallet.io - Desktop, Non-custodial, Open source | #CoinJoin
Post by: GingerWallet on January 12, 2025, 02:09:37 PM
Ginger offers two full node-related features. The first allows Ginger to run a full node in the background (accessible via Settings/Bitcoin => Run Knots on startup), and the second involves setting up a Bitcoin P2P Endpoint. Both features enhance privacy and significantly improve synchronization speed. While they reduce reliance on the server, Ginger is not entirely server-independent. Essential blockchain data, including block filters, estimates, and CoinJoin coordination services, is still provided by the backend.
Thanks for the excellent feedback. So if I have my bitcoin core node running (or bitcoind) and open the Ginderwallet, it will connect directly to my full node without needing any prior configuration?

One more thing, on my Windows I had installed Wasabi and had created test wallets there. When I installed the Ginderwallet, it automatically loaded the wallets I had in Wasabi (I wasn't surprised, since Ginder is a fork). However, I no longer need these wallet files. I didn't find the option to delete them in the application. I deleted the Wasabi and Ginderwallet wallet folders, but the wallets were loaded again. What am I doing wrong?

Full node integration possibilities:

- Ginger will automatically detect and use a full node if it's already running on the same computer.
- To connect to a full node on a remote computer, you can specify its local network IP address or Tor onion service in the Ginger Settings tab.
- If you’re not running a full node yet, Ginger includes the required bitcoind binaries, allowing you to start Bitcoin Knots alongside Ginger with a single click in the Settings tab (Run Bitcoin Knots on startup).

How to remove all wallets?

- First make sure you have all the recovery words you passphrase and make sure they are correct. For that you can use the the tool in the settings "Verify recovery words". If you delete the wallets and you don't know your recovery words, you will loose control over your bitcoins!
- Start Ginger and type data into the search bar, select Data Folder, it will open it in the file manager. You can do this in Wasabi and Ginger as well. Make sure to keep these file managers open, so you will know where to look for the files.
- Stop Ginger and Wasabi, make sure they are not running, not even in the background. If they are running they will write back the files when you close them. So before deleting the files, close the clients (Ginger and Wasabi).
- Delete the files you want. The wallet folder contains the wallets - the rest is synchronization data from the blockchain and configuration.

I hope I’ve answered your question. If there’s anything else I can help you with, please don’t hesitate to let me know.


Title: Re: 🔥 GingerWallet.io - Desktop, Non-custodial, Open source | #CoinJoin
Post by: GingerWallet on January 12, 2025, 02:10:10 PM

By the way after everything is done my Ginger wallet is stuck and says "7 seconds remaining" but it's been over 30 minutes. Is my desktop not compatible or do I need to reopen my ginger wallet?
https://www.talkimg.com/images/2025/01/12/O7oua.png

It happened for me around 80% and I toggled TOR disabled and then enabled it again which worked for me so if the problem still persists for a while then I suggest you to try what I did. Closing and opening again might start the syncing from the beginning so just be patient until the sync complete. Also please chmake sure your internet connection is fine.

You can find TOR settings under Settings => General => Network Anonymization

https://www.talkimg.com/images/2025/01/12/O7qxI.png

If you turn off Tor, you are loosing network level privacy. I would suggest trying to debug why Tor is not working on your system. Please check your logs or open and issue in our repository do developers will help you investigate.


Title: Re: 🔥 GingerWallet.io - Desktop, Non-custodial, Open source | #CoinJoin
Post by: beveryu778 on January 12, 2025, 04:42:32 PM
All the features of GingerWallet are good for me but I am still not clear about one thing and I have not found that option even after much searching. When copying Bitcoin wallet, different wallets are available every time but where are the previous wallets saved? If I need to sign a message of any wallet then where can I find the wallet where my wallet is being changed every time

op can Clear my Confusion ?


Title: Re: 🔥 GingerWallet.io - Desktop, Non-custodial, Open source | #CoinJoin
Post by: GingerWallet on January 12, 2025, 05:30:34 PM
All the features of GingerWallet are good for me but I am still not clear about one thing and I have not found that option even after much searching. When copying Bitcoin wallet, different wallets are available every time but where are the previous wallets saved? If I need to sign a message of any wallet then where can I find the wallet where my wallet is being changed every time

op can Clear my Confusion ?

You can import all your wallets under Ginger. Multiple wallets are supported. You can add them by using the add wallet function.


Title: Re: 🔥 GingerWallet.io - Desktop, Non-custodial, Open source | #CoinJoin
Post by: uchegod-21 on January 13, 2025, 01:17:07 PM
I have been trying to run the ginger wallet on my laptop;
Windows 10 pro
Corei7
Processor 2.9
But it keeps crashing while downloading and processing bitcoin network data.

Has anyone experienced this.

@icopress. Sorry, I had to mention you here to be aware why I haven't completed my application.


Title: Re: 🔥 GingerWallet.io - Desktop, Non-custodial, Open source | #CoinJoin
Post by: Hamza2424 on January 13, 2025, 08:30:57 PM
I have been trying to run the ginger wallet on my laptop;
Windows 10 pro
Corei7
Processor 2.9
But it keeps crashing while downloading and processing bitcoin network data.

Has anyone experienced this.

@icopress. Sorry, I had to mention you here to be aware why I haven't completed my application.

Nope buddy everything was smooth like butter in my case like it took 2 mins for me to install get my address.


Title: Re: 🔥 GingerWallet.io - Desktop, Non-custodial, Open source | #CoinJoin
Post by: uchegod-21 on January 14, 2025, 01:28:59 PM
I have been trying to run the ginger wallet on my laptop;
Windows 10 pro
Corei7
Processor 2.9
But it keeps crashing while downloading and processing bitcoin network data.

Has anyone experienced this.

@icopress. Sorry, I had to mention you here to be aware why I haven't completed my application.

Nope buddy everything was smooth like butter in my case like it took 2 mins for me to install get my address.
Mine is different.
I tried more than 5 times and they all crashed. I sent report via GitHub repo


Title: Re: 🔥 GingerWallet.io - Desktop, Non-custodial, Open source | #CoinJoin
Post by: Bitcoin Smith on January 14, 2025, 03:58:03 PM
All the features of GingerWallet are good for me but I am still not clear about one thing and I have not found that option even after much searching. When copying Bitcoin wallet, different wallets are available every time but where are the previous wallets saved? If I need to sign a message of any wallet then where can I find the wallet where my wallet is being changed every time

op can Clear my Confusion ?

You can import all your wallets under Ginger. Multiple wallets are supported. You can add them by using the add wallet function.
I think he refers addresses as wallets, so he wants to reuse an address that has been already used to receive funds. But I guess the main motto of the Ginger wallet is to never use a bitcoin address more than once that has been mentioned in FAQ too.

Code:
Ginger has a user interface which discourages address reuse by removing from the GUI addresses which have received a coin.

But if he want to find the addresses that's created but yet to receive funds then he can find them under Receive => Addresses Awaiting Payment which give list of all addresses along with recipients tag.



Title: Re: 🔥 GingerWallet.io - Desktop, Non-custodial, Open source | #CoinJoin
Post by: SFR10 on January 14, 2025, 05:25:39 PM
Windows 10 pro
...
But it keeps crashing while downloading and processing bitcoin network data.

Has anyone experienced this.
I tried more than 5 times and they all crashed. I sent report via GitHub repo
I just finished reading your issue on GitHub and even though I've never experienced such a thing, based on the content of its stack trace, I think you're trying to run two similar [ish] wallets at the same time [Ginger and Wasabi].
- You might also want to check if they're active in the background and shut them properly before trying to open Ginger wallet again.


Title: Re: 🔥 GingerWallet.io - Desktop, Non-custodial, Open source | #CoinJoin
Post by: Cricktor on January 14, 2025, 09:20:42 PM
@GingerWallet

You may want to fix the link for the signature of the Ubuntu/Debian download file!

The link target on https://gingerwallet.io/index.html#download (https://gingerwallet.io/index.html#download) for the Ubuntu/Debian signature is currently  hhttps://github.com/GingerPrivacy/GingerWallet/releases/download/v2.0.15/Ginger-2.0.15.deb.asc  which has an 'h' too much at the front of the link. See here for a screenshot (doesn't show my mouse cursor but the signature link is colored differently when the mouse hovers over it):
https://www.talkimg.com/images/2025/01/14/Oewlc.png


Title: Re: 🔥 GingerWallet.io - Desktop, Non-custodial, Open source | #CoinJoin
Post by: icopress on January 15, 2025, 01:25:41 PM
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Thank you! This will be fixed as soon as possible.  :)


Title: Re: 🔥 GingerWallet.io - Desktop, Non-custodial, Open source | #CoinJoin
Post by: Bitcoin Smith on January 18, 2025, 03:01:42 PM
Is it possible to extract the private keys of an address via UI? I searched for the option but the wallet info tab contains only Xpriv , zprv and other sensitive data but not the addresses and correlated private keys.

So I just want to know if it is possible and if not then what's the recommended method to derive the private keys.


Title: Re: 🔥 GingerWallet.io - Desktop, Non-custodial, Open source | #CoinJoin
Post by: apogio on January 18, 2025, 03:05:47 PM
Is it possible to extract the private keys of an address via UI? I searched for the option but the wallet info tab contains only Xpriv , zprv and other sensitive data but not the addresses and correlated private keys.

So I just want to know if it is possible and if not then what's the recommended method to derive the private keys.

I am also interested in this. I 'd also like to know if it's possible to view your seed phrase instead of testing it. Because I don't have my seed where my pc is and I am lazy to go find it.


Title: Re: 🔥 GingerWallet.io - Desktop, Non-custodial, Open source | #CoinJoin
Post by: Forsyth Jones on January 18, 2025, 05:05:25 PM
Is it possible to extract the private keys of an address via UI? I searched for the option but the wallet info tab contains only Xpriv , zprv and other sensitive data but not the addresses and correlated private keys.

So I just want to know if it is possible and if not then what's the recommended method to derive the private keys.
It is not possible to export/show private keys from an address, but either with the recovery phrase or master xpriv, you can get the child keys through third party tools (like BIP39 iancoleman), but make sure to use it in an offline environment.

Depending on your goal, you can import your GingerWallet into other wallets like Sparrow, electrum etc. using the recovery phrase and BIP39 passphrase (if enabled).

If for some reason you want to get some child private keys and don't want to take too much risk, you can import the wallet into Electrum using the recovery phrase or the 'Account Extended Private Key' (make sure to convert to zpriv format first, otherwise Electrum will derive legacy addresses).

I am also interested in this. I 'd also like to know if it's possible to view your seed phrase instead of testing it. Because I don't have my seed where my pc is and I am lazy to go find it.
It isn't possible to redisplay the recovery phrase again, only test it.

@GingerWallet I would like to know if in gingerwallet we can spend outputs from taproot addresses, is that possible?

I ask because in gingerwallet we can view the xpub of the taproot account.


Title: Re: 🔥 GingerWallet.io - Desktop, Non-custodial, Open source | #CoinJoin
Post by: GingerWallet on January 19, 2025, 05:05:05 AM
Is it possible to extract the private keys of an address via UI? I searched for the option but the wallet info tab contains only Xpriv , zprv and other sensitive data but not the addresses and correlated private keys.

So I just want to know if it is possible and if not then what's the recommended method to derive the private keys.

That's the whole point of the crypto currency, you can't get back the private keys from the public keys and the addresses, since that's proof that you are the owner of the address.


Title: Re: 🔥 GingerWallet.io - Desktop, Non-custodial, Open source | #CoinJoin
Post by: GingerWallet on January 19, 2025, 05:05:38 AM
Is it possible to extract the private keys of an address via UI? I searched for the option but the wallet info tab contains only Xpriv , zprv and other sensitive data but not the addresses and correlated private keys.

So I just want to know if it is possible and if not then what's the recommended method to derive the private keys.
It is not possible to export/show private keys from an address, but either with the recovery phrase or master xpriv, you can get the child keys through third party tools (like BIP39 iancoleman), but make sure to use it in an offline environment.

Depending on your goal, you can import your GingerWallet into other wallets like Sparrow, electrum etc. using the recovery phrase and BIP39 passphrase (if enabled).

If for some reason you want to get some child private keys and don't want to take too much risk, you can import the wallet into Electrum using the recovery phrase or the 'Account Extended Private Key' (make sure to convert to zpriv format first, otherwise Electrum will derive legacy addresses).

I am also interested in this. I 'd also like to know if it's possible to view your seed phrase instead of testing it. Because I don't have my seed where my pc is and I am lazy to go find it.
It isn't possible to redisplay the recovery phrase again, only test it.

@GingerWallet I would like to know if in gingerwallet we can spend outputs from taproot addresses, is that possible?

I ask because in gingerwallet we can view the xpub of the taproot account.



You can't get back your passphrase, you can only check whether it is valid if you have an already created wallet. If you don't even have a wallet, you could only check after a full download by checking its balance.


Title: Re: 🔥 GingerWallet.io - Desktop, Non-custodial, Open source | #CoinJoin
Post by: Bitcoin Smith on January 19, 2025, 05:59:48 PM
Is it possible to extract the private keys of an address via UI? I searched for the option but the wallet info tab contains only Xpriv , zprv and other sensitive data but not the addresses and correlated private keys.

So I just want to know if it is possible and if not then what's the recommended method to derive the private keys.

That's the whole point of the crypto currency, you can't get back the private keys from the public keys and the addresses, since that's proof that you are the owner of the address.
I didn't ask how to derive the private keys from public key or xpub, what I mean is how is it possible to retrieve private keys and seeds after we logged into the wallet for example it is possible to view seed in electrum wallet- seed and to see private keys Addresses- right click - private keys and the same kind of feature is available in Ginger wallet.

@Forsyth Jones seems right about not possible (yet). We have to derive the child private keys from Xpriv using offline tools like ian Coleman only.


Title: Re: 🔥 GingerWallet.io - Desktop, Non-custodial, Open source | #CoinJoin
Post by: icopress on January 24, 2025, 01:15:08 AM
@GingerWallet

You may want to fix the link for the signature of the Ubuntu/Debian download file!

The link target on https://gingerwallet.io/index.html#download (https://gingerwallet.io/index.html#download) for the Ubuntu/Debian signature is currently  hhttps://github.com/GingerPrivacy/GingerWallet/releases/download/v2.0.15/Ginger-2.0.15.deb.asc  which has an 'h' too much at the front of the link. See here for a screenshot (doesn't show my mouse cursor but the signature link is colored differently when the mouse hovers over it):
https://www.talkimg.com/images/2025/01/14/Oewlc.png
I notified Ginger about a week ago but it seems the error is still there.


Title: Re: 🔥 GingerWallet.io - Desktop, Non-custodial, Open source | #CoinJoin
Post by: GingerWallet on January 24, 2025, 10:54:59 AM
@GingerWallet

You may want to fix the link for the signature of the Ubuntu/Debian download file!

The link target on https://gingerwallet.io/index.html#download (https://gingerwallet.io/index.html#download) for the Ubuntu/Debian signature is currently  hhttps://github.com/GingerPrivacy/GingerWallet/releases/download/v2.0.15/Ginger-2.0.15.deb.asc  which has an 'h' too much at the front of the link. See here for a screenshot (doesn't show my mouse cursor but the signature link is colored differently when the mouse hovers over it):
https://www.talkimg.com/images/2025/01/14/Oewlc.png
I notified Ginger about a week ago but it seems the error is still there.

Hi, yes, we noticed the issue, and thank you for letting us know. We've already fixed it since then. If there's anything else we can help you with, feel free to reach out!


Title: Re: 🔥 GingerWallet.io - Desktop, Non-custodial, Open source | #CoinJoin
Post by: Bitcoin Smith on January 24, 2025, 04:30:51 PM
We've already fixed it since then. If there's anything else we can help you with, feel free to reach out!

Confirming that it's fixed.

https://www.talkimg.com/images/2025/01/24/WreBI.png


Title: Re: 🔥 GingerWallet.io - Desktop, Non-custodial, Open source | #CoinJoin
Post by: dkbit98 on January 24, 2025, 07:50:36 PM
I just saw Ginger wallet does only have DEB files for Linux, that is mostly used in Ubuntu, Mint and debian based operating system.
I know there are source files available so anyone can compile their own version, but I would suggest adding APK APPimage file if possible, that should work on more Linux OS including Fedora.


Title: Re: 🔥 GingerWallet.io - Desktop, Non-custodial, Open source | #CoinJoin
Post by: ABCbits on January 25, 2025, 08:43:45 AM
I just saw Ginger wallet does only have DEB files for Linux, that is mostly used in Ubuntu, Mint and debian based operating system.
I know there are source files available so anyone can compile their own version, but I would suggest adding APK file if possible, that should work on more Linux OS including Fedora.

I think you missed "OTHER LINUX" version of Ginger Wallet which have .tar.gz extension. You just need to extract it and then run binary called wassabee. And i'm not sure why you mention APK, do you mean something else such as AppImage?


Title: Re: 🔥 GingerWallet.io - Desktop, Non-custodial, Open source | #CoinJoin
Post by: dkbit98 on January 25, 2025, 04:44:46 PM
I think you missed "OTHER LINUX" version of Ginger Wallet which have .tar.gz extension. You just need to extract it and then run binary called wassabee. And i'm not sure why you mention APK, do you mean something else such as AppImage?
Yeah I meant to say APPimage, but I made a mistake and instead wrote APK for android files.
I don't think Ginger ever planned to create app for mobile devices but it would interesting to have this, maybe as a light wallet version.


Title: Re: 🔥 GingerWallet.io - Desktop, Non-custodial, Open source | #CoinJoin
Post by: taufik123 on January 29, 2025, 01:41:45 AM
Getting problems when enabling 2FA security on Ginger wallets.
First using the Authy Application from Twilio, successfully scanning the barcode of the TOTP Code, but when I wanted to enter the Token failed "Couldn't verify the token".

Trying to use Google Authenticator successfully scanning the barcode and entering the first token, when the Ginger wallet application was restarted, I couldn't log in because of the same error before "Couldn't verify the token".

In that case, what went wrong with my step?
The Tor network is already ENABLE and now the Ginger wallet uses the new Working Folder and no longer in the Old Wasabi Working Folder.

https://www.talkimg.com/images/2025/01/29/WeWX1.png


Title: Re: 🔥 GingerWallet.io - Desktop, Non-custodial, Open source | #CoinJoin
Post by: Forsyth Jones on January 29, 2025, 01:57:26 AM
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This is strange to say the least. I've enabled and disabled TOTP several times and they were all successful. Have you tried reinstalling the Ginger app?

Is this the first time you've tried enabling TOTP 2FA?

Is @GingerWallet just asking, Ginger support taproot bech32m addresses?


Title: Re: 🔥 GingerWallet.io - Desktop, Non-custodial, Open source | #CoinJoin
Post by: Husna QA on January 29, 2025, 02:05:40 AM
Getting problems when enabling 2FA security on Ginger wallets.
First using the Authy Application from Twilio, successfully scanning the barcode of the TOTP Code, but when I wanted to enter the Token failed "Couldn't verify the token".

Trying to use Google Authenticator successfully scanning the barcode and entering the first token, when the Ginger wallet application was restarted, I couldn't log in because of the same error before "Couldn't verify the token".
-snip-

As I mentioned here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5527925.msg64999874#msg64999874, I have tried using Authy, but the 2FA token is different. It does not match when used on Ginger Wallet, while Google Authenticator results of 2FA (8-digit) token results obtained from it are suitable and can be used in Ginger Wallet.

So far, I have not experienced any problems with the code generated by Google Authenticator for opening Ginger Wallet.

Do you still keep the barcode when activating the 2FA feature? If you have the barcode, try to rescan it using Google Authenticator.


By the way, I just realized that TestNet is not available in the Ginger Wallet settings, unlike in Wasabi.



Title: Re: 🔥 GingerWallet.io - Desktop, Non-custodial, Open source | #CoinJoin
Post by: apogio on January 29, 2025, 12:11:16 PM
So far, I have not experienced any problems with the code generated by Google Authenticator for opening Ginger Wallet.

I am confirming this as well.
The same applies for MS Authenticator.
I 've tested both on Ginger Wallet version 2.0.15.0


Title: Re: 🔥 GingerWallet.io - Desktop, Non-custodial, Open source | #CoinJoin
Post by: GingerWallet on January 30, 2025, 06:26:23 AM
Getting problems when enabling 2FA security on Ginger wallets.
First using the Authy Application from Twilio, successfully scanning the barcode of the TOTP Code, but when I wanted to enter the Token failed "Couldn't verify the token".

Trying to use Google Authenticator successfully scanning the barcode and entering the first token, when the Ginger wallet application was restarted, I couldn't log in because of the same error before "Couldn't verify the token".
-snip-

As I mentioned here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5527925.msg64999874#msg64999874, I have tried using Authy, but the 2FA token is different. It does not match when used on Ginger Wallet, while Google Authenticator results of 2FA (8-digit) token results obtained from it are suitable and can be used in Ginger Wallet.

So far, I have not experienced any problems with the code generated by Google Authenticator for opening Ginger Wallet.

Do you still keep the barcode when activating the 2FA feature? If you have the barcode, try to rescan it using Google Authenticator.


By the way, I just realized that TestNet is not available in the Ginger Wallet settings, unlike in Wasabi.





If it doesn’t generate an 8-digit code, the authenticator isn’t working correctly. The issue is that most 6-digit authenticators don’t flag this as a problem and accept it, even though they actually failed to interpret the QR code. Instead, they act as if everything is fine.

Currently, we are unable to make changes to the TestNet availability due to time constraints, but we have noted it down to address it in the future.


Title: Re: 🔥 GingerWallet.io - Desktop, Non-custodial, Open source | #CoinJoin
Post by: Forsyth Jones on January 31, 2025, 01:50:11 AM
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If it doesn’t generate an 8-digit code, the authenticator isn’t working correctly. The issue is that most 6-digit authenticators don’t flag this as a problem and accept it, even though they actually failed to interpret the QR code. Instead, they act as if everything is fine.
I use Strongbox as my authenticator, and it worked without any issues. Most popular authenticators probably don’t support 8-digit TOTP codes.

Install KeePass, you guys can add TOTP codes to it, and the Strongbox I use is based on KeePass.

In Strongbox, saving TOTP codes requires a subscription or the full version (I am not sure). It's opensource and available for iOS and mac devices. On Android, there’s KeePass, which is also free and open-source and likely offers the same functionality, it would be great if someone tested it, as I don't have an Android.

Without a doubt, it’s much better than Google Auth and the like...


Title: Re: 🔥 GingerWallet.io - Desktop, Non-custodial, Open source | #CoinJoin
Post by: Bitcoin Smith on February 01, 2025, 06:47:00 PM
https://www.talkimg.com/images/2025/02/01/eQ2SI.png

I am having trouble connecting my wallet, tried closing and opening it, but the problem persists. I can confirm that my internet connectivity is fine.

Anyone else having the same error?


Title: Re: 🔥 GingerWallet.io - Desktop, Non-custodial, Open source | #CoinJoin
Post by: taufik123 on February 02, 2025, 08:40:48 AM
If it doesn’t generate an 8-digit code, the authenticator isn’t working correctly. The issue is that most 6-digit authenticators don’t flag this as a problem and accept it, even though they actually failed to interpret the QR code. Instead, they act as if everything is fine.
Finally, I was able to open my Wallet after using Google Authenticator and the code given did not match because the Computer needed a restart,
Maybe my Windows system is problematic and has not been updated, But so far 2FA using Google Authenticator has been normal.

And yes, like the Authy application from Twilio only acts as if their QR Code is fine, even though it can input tokens from Ginger's 2FA,
But the generated code cannot open the wallet, this is a mistake that needs to be informed to the 2FA application provider.


Title: Re: 🔥 GingerWallet.io - Desktop, Non-custodial, Open source | #CoinJoin
Post by: joker_josue on February 02, 2025, 09:26:31 AM
How simple and practical is it to use GingerWallet for someone who has never done CoinJoin?

What is the privacy viability of GingerWallet?


Title: Re: 🔥 GingerWallet.io - Desktop, Non-custodial, Open source | #CoinJoin
Post by: inspace on February 03, 2025, 02:59:08 PM
Can someone help me?

I installed the Ginger wallet but I had Wasabi installed. Now when I open Wasabi it automatically opens Ginger and displays my balance that I had in the Wasabi wallet.


Title: Re: 🔥 GingerWallet.io - Desktop, Non-custodial, Open source | #CoinJoin
Post by: GingerWallet on February 03, 2025, 05:51:24 PM
https://www.talkimg.com/images/2025/02/01/eQ2SI.png

I am having trouble connecting my wallet, tried closing and opening it, but the problem persists. I can confirm that my internet connectivity is fine.

Anyone else having the same error?

We haven't encountered this type of issue before. Is the problem still occurring?


Title: Re: 🔥 GingerWallet.io - Desktop, Non-custodial, Open source | #CoinJoin
Post by: GingerWallet on February 03, 2025, 06:10:53 PM
How simple and practical is it to use GingerWallet for someone who has never done CoinJoin?

What is the privacy viability of GingerWallet?

Using Ginger Wallet is very simple. CoinJoin is just one button press, and you don’t have to do anything else—just make sure not to turn off your computer. If you need any help, feel free to reach out or join our Telegram group.


Title: Re: 🔥 GingerWallet.io - Desktop, Non-custodial, Open source | #CoinJoin
Post by: apogio on February 03, 2025, 06:41:17 PM
How simple and practical is it to use GingerWallet for someone who has never done CoinJoin?

It's much easier than with other coinjoin wallets where new accounts get created to facilitate different purposes (pre-mix, post-mix etc.)

You just receive the coins and after reaching a threshold the coinjoin begins. Everytime a transaction happens, you get to see it in the "inbox" page.

Really, it's just a matter of one click.


Title: Re: 🔥 GingerWallet.io - Desktop, Non-custodial, Open source | #CoinJoin
Post by: JollyGood on February 03, 2025, 09:40:32 PM
It might be as simple one click but the click does cost the user money in fees. Ginger Wallet forces the user to pay 0.3% coinjoin fees to the default Ginger Wallet coordinator whereas Wasabi Wallet allows the user to select their own preferred coordinator including at least two that do not charge any fees at all.

There are no benefits that Ginger Wallet provides over Wasabi Wallet that equates to 0.3% transaction fees.

Really, it's just a matter of one click.


Title: Re: 🔥 GingerWallet.io - Desktop, Non-custodial, Open source | #CoinJoin
Post by: GingerWallet on February 04, 2025, 05:10:18 AM
Can someone help me?

I installed the Ginger wallet but I had Wasabi installed. Now when I open Wasabi it automatically opens Ginger and displays my balance that I had in the Wasabi wallet.

Ginger imports Wasabi wallets only for the first time; after that, it does nothing. There is a separate working folder.


Title: Re: 🔥 GingerWallet.io - Desktop, Non-custodial, Open source | #CoinJoin
Post by: GingerWallet on February 04, 2025, 05:19:32 AM
It might be as simple one click but the click does cost the user money in fees. Ginger Wallet forces the user to pay 0.3% coinjoin fees to the default Ginger Wallet coordinator whereas Wasabi Wallet allows the user to select their own preferred coordinator including at least two that do not charge any fees at all.

There are no benefits that Ginger Wallet provides over Wasabi Wallet that equates to 0.3% transaction fees.

Really, it's just a matter of one click.

Ginger Wallet is designed to be a user-friendly Bitcoin wallet that anyone can use, regardless of their technical knowledge. With Ginger, there’s no need to configure anything if you don’t want to—just start the CoinJoin process with a single click. The goal is to provide a seamless and straightforward experience without requiring users to manually tweak advanced settings.

In recent months, Ginger Wallet has introduced several new features and improvements, making it increasingly different from Wasabi Wallet. Ginger prioritizes simplicity and ease of use, ensuring that privacy-enhancing CoinJoins are accessible to everyone, not just advanced users.


Title: Re: 🔥 GingerWallet.io - Desktop, Non-custodial, Open source | #CoinJoin
Post by: Bitcoin Smith on February 04, 2025, 09:08:31 AM
We haven't encountered this type of issue before. Is the problem still occurring?

I can't able to identify the actual problem but I managed to fix it by disabling TOR and then by restarting the application get the wallet back online, and then I enabled the TOR function which works fine. But the issue is kind of weird though.

Is running in the background causing the problem?


Title: Re: 🔥 GingerWallet.io - Desktop, Non-custodial, Open source | #CoinJoin
Post by: GingerWallet on February 04, 2025, 10:58:33 AM
We haven't encountered this type of issue before. Is the problem still occurring?

I can't able to identify the actual problem but I managed to fix it by disabling TOR and then by restarting the application get the wallet back online, and then I enabled the TOR function which works fine. But the issue is kind of weird though.

Is running in the background causing the problem?

Can you tell me what operating system you are using?


Title: Re: 🔥 GingerWallet.io - Desktop, Non-custodial, Open source | #CoinJoin
Post by: joker_josue on February 04, 2025, 01:50:13 PM
It might be as simple one click but the click does cost the user money in fees. Ginger Wallet forces the user to pay 0.3% coinjoin fees to the default Ginger Wallet coordinator whereas Wasabi Wallet allows the user to select their own preferred coordinator including at least two that do not charge any fees at all.

There are no benefits that Ginger Wallet provides over Wasabi Wallet that equates to 0.3% transaction fees.

Really, it's just a matter of one click.

Ginger Wallet is designed to be a user-friendly Bitcoin wallet that anyone can use, regardless of their technical knowledge. With Ginger, there’s no need to configure anything if you don’t want to—just start the CoinJoin process with a single click. The goal is to provide a seamless and straightforward experience without requiring users to manually tweak advanced settings.

In recent months, Ginger Wallet has introduced several new features and improvements, making it increasingly different from Wasabi Wallet. Ginger prioritizes simplicity and ease of use, ensuring that privacy-enhancing CoinJoins are accessible to everyone, not just advanced users.

But, from what I understand, the fee is only covered if the amount to be coinjoined is greater than 0.01BTC. Right?

Is this 0.01BTC per CoinJoin request, or is it the accumulation of all CoinJoin already requested per wallet?


Title: Re: 🔥 GingerWallet.io - Desktop, Non-custodial, Open source | #CoinJoin
Post by: Bitcoin Smith on February 04, 2025, 04:16:45 PM
Can you tell me what operating system you are using?
Windows.
But, from what I understand, the fee is only covered if the amount to be coinjoined is greater than 0.01BTC. Right?

Is this 0.01BTC per CoinJoin request, or is it the accumulation of all CoinJoin already requested per wallet?

Yes, it's free below 0.01BTC per request.

https://www.talkimg.com/images/2025/02/04/eN9J5.png


Title: Re: 🔥 GingerWallet.io - Desktop, Non-custodial, Open source | #CoinJoin
Post by: GingerWallet on February 04, 2025, 05:26:34 PM
Can you tell me what operating system you are using?
Windows.
But, from what I understand, the fee is only covered if the amount to be coinjoined is greater than 0.01BTC. Right?

Is this 0.01BTC per CoinJoin request, or is it the accumulation of all CoinJoin already requested per wallet?

Yes, it's free below 0.01BTC per request.

https://www.talkimg.com/images/2025/02/04/eN9J5.png

Thank you for your response! We'll check what might be causing the issue on Windows. Are you using the latest version?

Yes, you wrote it correctly: the fee waiver applies per CoinJoin request if the amount is less than 0.01 BTC.


Title: Re: 🔥 GingerWallet.io - Desktop, Non-custodial, Open source | #CoinJoin
Post by: apogio on February 04, 2025, 06:50:48 PM
Yes, you wrote it correctly: the fee waiver applies per CoinJoin request if the amount is less than 0.01 BTC.

And if I am correct, the default behaviour is that, for balance less than 0.01 BTC, there are no automatic coin-joins happening, right?
I am asking because I have a much lower amount, but I saw the timer going down. It may never trigger a coin-join even if the timer goes to 0, but I just wanted to ask.


Title: Re: 🔥 GingerWallet.io - Desktop, Non-custodial, Open source | #CoinJoin
Post by: JollyGood on February 04, 2025, 10:16:48 PM
Yes it is but there is a fee to pay when it is more than 0.01 BTC. That is what happens when it comes to Ginger Wallet as you are not allowed to change their default coordinator and they charge a 0.3% fee. As for Wasabi Wallet, you can change to any coordinator anytime you want including at least two that currently do not charge a fee to mix regardless of the size of the coinjoin.

Congratulations to Ginger Wallet for making made space for itself in the coinjoin market after being forked from Wasabi Wallet but if the end result is the same (a coinjoin to gain privacy), why would anybody want to pay a 0.3% fee to Ginger Wallet if they can achieve the same result with Wasabi Wallet?

But, from what I understand, the fee is only covered if the amount to be coinjoined is greater than 0.01BTC. Right?


Title: Re: 🔥 GingerWallet.io - Desktop, Non-custodial, Open source | #CoinJoin
Post by: joker_josue on February 05, 2025, 07:36:22 AM
Yes, you wrote it correctly: the fee waiver applies per CoinJoin request if the amount is less than 0.01 BTC.

And if I am correct, the default behaviour is that, for balance less than 0.01 BTC, there are no automatic coin-joins happening, right?
I am asking because I have a much lower amount, but I saw the timer going down. It may never trigger a coin-join even if the timer goes to 0, but I just wanted to ask.

That's an interesting point. If someone opens a position of just 0.001BTC to do CoinJoin, could it take a long time or never be executed?



Congratulations to Ginger Wallet for making made space for itself in the coinjoin market after being forked from Wasabi Wallet but if the end result is the same (a coinjoin to gain privacy), why would anybody want to pay a 0.3% fee to Ginger Wallet if they can achieve the same result with Wasabi Wallet?

But, from what I understand, the fee is only covered if the amount to be coinjoined is greater than 0.01BTC. Right?

Is it because of the simplicity of the process?

I think the problem with not paying for it is the advantage it can bring. At the moment, there is no advantage?

So, as a user who has never used any of these wallets, which one is easier to use, "Wasabi Wallet" or "Ginger Wallet"?




Title: Re: 🔥 GingerWallet.io - Desktop, Non-custodial, Open source | #CoinJoin
Post by: JollyGood on February 05, 2025, 02:06:47 PM
Is it because of the simplicity of the process?
Both wallets are easy to use.

I think the problem with not paying for it is the advantage it can bring. At the moment, there is no advantage?
The advantage Wasabi Wallet has is that you pay zero fees no matter Bitcoin quantity by selecting a coordinator you want. Ginger Wallet does not allow you to select a coordinator of your choice and forces you to use their default/chosen coordinator which means you pay them 0.3% on coinjoins when 0.01 BTC and more are involved. After transaction fees are added on, it can add up to be quite a lot of money in fees.

So, as a user who has never used any of these wallets, which one is easier to use, "Wasabi Wallet" or "Ginger Wallet"?
Both are equally easy to use because Ginger Wallet is a fork from the Wasabi Wallet source code. The key difference has been mentioned above, one charges fees and the other does not.

Generally, the downside of using coinjoins is many exchanges are now suspending accounts that receive funds from coinjoin addresses. Suspensions are only lifted after proof of source and that creates problems for those seeking either privacy or anonymity. That should be taken in consideration before using coinjoin tools.


Title: Re: 🔥 GingerWallet.io - Desktop, Non-custodial, Open source | #CoinJoin
Post by: GingerWallet on February 08, 2025, 11:25:55 AM
🔥 Ginger Wallet v2.0.16 is here! 🔥

🚀 Buy Bitcoin directly from Ginger Wallet! We've integrated a trade aggregator to get you the best rates effortlessly.

🔧 Improved CoinJoin selector
💡 UI refinements & bug fixes
🛠 Performance boosts

Get the update now! 🔥👇
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#Bitcoin #GingerWallet #CoinJoin #Privacy


Title: Re: 🔥 GingerWallet.io - Desktop, Non-custodial, Open source | #CoinJoin
Post by: joker_josue on February 08, 2025, 01:01:16 PM
🚀 Buy Bitcoin directly from Ginger Wallet! We've integrated a trade aggregator to get you the best rates effortlessly.

Is this purchase made from an exchange or from other users?

What payment methods are accepted?


Title: Re: 🔥 GingerWallet.io - Desktop, Non-custodial, Open source | #CoinJoin
Post by: Pmalek on February 08, 2025, 01:40:05 PM
🚀 Buy Bitcoin directly from Ginger Wallet! We've integrated a trade aggregator to get you the best rates effortlessly.
Which third-party service or services are you using for this? I don't like that users have to compromise their privacy by telling you the country and (sometimes) the state they live in. Since transactions can be placed on "hold", this buy option is a custodial feature. And since there is a "hold" option on the seller's side, is there also a possibility that they may ask the buyer to undergo KYC?


Title: Re: 🔥 GingerWallet.io - Desktop, Non-custodial, Open source | #CoinJoin
Post by: Bitcoin Smith on February 08, 2025, 04:15:27 PM
🚀 Buy Bitcoin directly from Ginger Wallet! We've integrated a trade aggregator to get you the best rates effortlessly.

Is this purchase made from an exchange or from other users?

What payment methods are accepted?

is there also a possibility that they may ask the buyer to undergo KYC?

I checked offers in my country and the options shown are Transak and Moonpay so yeah it's from exchanges where there will be KYC/AML regulations. As far as I checked the payment modes are Visa/mastercard/Apple pay and google pay and things might differ with different regions but I doubt people focused on privacy will be using this feature at all?



Title: Re: 🔥 GingerWallet.io - Desktop, Non-custodial, Open source | #CoinJoin
Post by: GingerWallet on February 08, 2025, 04:56:46 PM
🚀 Buy Bitcoin directly from Ginger Wallet! We've integrated a trade aggregator to get you the best rates effortlessly.

Is this purchase made from an exchange or from other users?

What payment methods are accepted?

We list exchange offers based on the best available deals. A variety of payment methods are supported, but availability depends on the country, currency, and provider. Common options include Visa/MasterCard and Apple/Google Pay, among others.


Title: Re: 🔥 GingerWallet.io - Desktop, Non-custodial, Open source | #CoinJoin
Post by: GingerWallet on February 08, 2025, 05:46:08 PM
🚀 Buy Bitcoin directly from Ginger Wallet! We've integrated a trade aggregator to get you the best rates effortlessly.

Is this purchase made from an exchange or from other users?

What payment methods are accepted?

is there also a possibility that they may ask the buyer to undergo KYC?

I checked offers in my country and the options shown are Transak and Moonpay so yeah it's from exchanges where there will be KYC/AML regulations. As far as I checked the payment modes are Visa/mastercard/Apple pay and google pay and things might differ with different regions but I doubt people focused on privacy will be using this feature at all?




Your concerns are valid. This feature may not be suitable for users who want to avoid KYC entirely, as third-party providers like Transak and Moonpay require identity verification to comply with regulations. However, the goal of this feature is to provide an easy way for users to buy BTC and then reclaim their privacy through CoinJoins.

Many people already withdraw BTC from exchanges—where they have no privacy—and then use CoinJoin to enhance their anonymity. The integrated Buy feature simplifies this process by allowing users to purchase BTC directly and mix it afterward, without having to register separately on an exchange.

All interactions with the Buy feature go through Tor, ensuring that Ginger cannot link your wallet with your purchase. KYC information is handled entirely by the third-party provider (Transak or Moonpay), and Ginger never has access to it.

This feature is designed for users who want a simple and convenient way to buy BTC without navigating the complexities of an exchange—just enter the amount, complete the payment, and CoinJoin immediately after.


Title: Re: 🔥 GingerWallet.io - Desktop, Non-custodial, Open source | #CoinJoin
Post by: JollyGood on February 09, 2025, 01:01:24 AM
The new update that facilitates buying Bitcoin is something that might have been added on to Ginger Wallet too soon. Could it be Ginger Wallet has upgraded far too fast in such a short space of time when it could have made an announcement and allowed the news to settle after it was discussed first. The mention of KYC would be enough to push people to drop Ginger Wallet even though coinjoins are handled separately.

Your concerns are valid. This feature may not be suitable for users who want to avoid KYC entirely, as third-party providers like Transak and Moonpay require identity verification to comply with regulations. However, the goal of this feature is to provide an easy way for users to buy BTC and then reclaim their privacy through CoinJoins.

Many people already withdraw BTC from exchanges—where they have no privacy—and then use CoinJoin to enhance their anonymity. The integrated Buy feature simplifies this process by allowing users to purchase BTC directly and mix it afterward, without having to register separately on an exchange.

All interactions with the Buy feature go through Tor, ensuring that Ginger cannot link your wallet with your purchase. KYC information is handled entirely by the third-party provider (Transak or Moonpay), and Ginger never has access to it.

This feature is designed for users who want a simple and convenient way to buy BTC without navigating the complexities of an exchange—just enter the amount, complete the payment, and CoinJoin immediately after.


Title: Re: 🔥 GingerWallet.io - Desktop, Non-custodial, Open source | #CoinJoin
Post by: joker_josue on February 09, 2025, 08:06:00 AM
This feature is designed for users who want a simple and convenient way to buy BTC without navigating the complexities of an exchange—just enter the amount, complete the payment, and CoinJoin immediately after.

The feature would have been more interesting if you had created the possibility for wallet users to be able to sell/buy among themselves. The wallet serves only as an intermediary.

It is true that the payment issue could complicate matters, but it was something they could analyze and see what the best option would be. This would avoid the KYC option.



Title: Re: 🔥 GingerWallet.io - Desktop, Non-custodial, Open source | #CoinJoin
Post by: NotATether on February 09, 2025, 06:29:34 PM
Ginger Wallet, you should integrate with Trocador for buying Bitcoin, at least with other altcoins. It is a great privacy friendly exchange.


The feature would have been more interesting if you had created the possibility for wallet users to be able to sell/buy among themselves. The wallet serves only as an intermediary.

It is true that the payment issue could complicate matters, but it was something they could analyze and see what the best option would be. This would avoid the KYC option.

I was thinking something more on the lines of a LocalMonero style marketplace for people who want to sell Bitcoin to hook up with the buyers from inside the wallet software itself. That way, any payment method is possible as it's all P2P.


Title: Re: 🔥 GingerWallet.io - Desktop, Non-custodial, Open source | #CoinJoin
Post by: icopress on February 17, 2025, 02:57:59 PM
Friends, feel free to join the mini quest!  :)

  • 🔥 GingerWallet.io | LN Quest ⚡Up to 50 merits (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5527488.0)


Title: Re: 🔥 GingerWallet.io - Desktop, Non-custodial, Open source | #CoinJoin
Post by: GingerWallet on February 19, 2025, 01:36:14 PM
🔥 NEW FEATURE: Buy Bitcoin in Ginger Wallet! 🔥

You can now buy Bitcoin directly from the Ginger Wallet app! 🚀
Fast, simple, and secure – no need for external services!

👉 Have you tried it yet?
📢 Share your experience! Was the process smooth? How did you like it?

If you haven’t tried it yet, now’s the time! 🚀
🔗 Gingerwallet.io


Title: Re: 🔥 GingerWallet.io - Desktop, Non-custodial, Open source | #CoinJoin
Post by: apogio on February 19, 2025, 02:51:11 PM
🔥 NEW FEATURE: Buy Bitcoin in Ginger Wallet! 🔥

You can now buy Bitcoin directly from the Ginger Wallet app! 🚀
Fast, simple, and secure – no need for external services!

👉 Have you tried it yet?
📢 Share your experience! Was the process smooth? How did you like it?

If you haven’t tried it yet, now’s the time! 🚀
🔗 Gingerwallet.io

I will give it a try later! What will I need? Is there a FAQ for this specific feature? I want to know how it works under the hood. Is there an exchange with which you co-operate? etc.


Title: Re: 🔥 GingerWallet.io - Desktop, Non-custodial, Open source | #CoinJoin
Post by: JollyGood on February 19, 2025, 03:00:36 PM
Though I disagree with the restriction placed on users not being able to choose their own/preferred coordinator, the efforts behind the regular releases and updates are to be commended. Congratulations on the new features for those that use Ginger Wallet.

If Ginger Wallet keeps innovating with features (especially since Wasabi Wasabi is releasing updates that could be implemented directly in Ginger Wallet) it will remain a player in coinjoin software.

🔥 NEW FEATURE: Buy Bitcoin in Ginger Wallet! 🔥

You can now buy Bitcoin directly from the Ginger Wallet app! 🚀
Fast, simple, and secure – no need for external services!

👉 Have you tried it yet?
📢 Share your experience! Was the process smooth? How did you like it?

If you haven’t tried it yet, now’s the time! 🚀
🔗 Gingerwallet.io


Title: Re: 🔥 GingerWallet.io - Desktop, Non-custodial, Open source | #CoinJoin
Post by: GingerWallet on February 19, 2025, 04:38:41 PM
🔥 NEW FEATURE: Buy Bitcoin in Ginger Wallet! 🔥

You can now buy Bitcoin directly from the Ginger Wallet app! 🚀
Fast, simple, and secure – no need for external services!

👉 Have you tried it yet?
📢 Share your experience! Was the process smooth? How did you like it?

If you haven’t tried it yet, now’s the time! 🚀
🔗 Gingerwallet.io

I will give it a try later! What will I need? Is there a FAQ for this specific feature? I want to know how it works under the hood. Is there an exchange with which you co-operate? etc.

Hey! You can find everything you need at the link below. If you have any questions or need any help, feel free to ask!

https://docs.gingerwallet.io/using-ginger/buy-sell.html


Title: Re: 🔥 GingerWallet.io - Desktop, Non-custodial, Open source | #CoinJoin
Post by: ABCbits on February 20, 2025, 09:38:57 AM
🔥 NEW FEATURE: Buy Bitcoin in Ginger Wallet! 🔥
--snip--

You probably to mention this feature on your homepage, since currently i didn't find mention about it.

Hey! You can find everything you need at the link below. If you have any questions or need any help, feel free to ask!

https://docs.gingerwallet.io/using-ginger/buy-sell.html

I haven't tried viewing it on Ginger Wallet application, but i noticed the FAQ mention third-party provider. So i think there should be FAQ which answer whether we need to perform identity verification.


Title: Re: 🔥 GingerWallet.io - Desktop, Non-custodial, Open source | #CoinJoin
Post by: GingerWallet on February 20, 2025, 10:14:21 AM
🔥 NEW FEATURE: Buy Bitcoin in Ginger Wallet! 🔥
--snip--

You probably to mention this feature on your homepage, since currently i didn't find mention about it.

Hey! You can find everything you need at the link below. If you have any questions or need any help, feel free to ask!

https://docs.gingerwallet.io/using-ginger/buy-sell.html

I haven't tried viewing it on Ginger Wallet application, but i noticed the FAQ mention third-party provider. So i think there should be FAQ which answer whether we need to perform identity verification.

Thank you for your feedback. We are already working on updating the website.


The identity verification process can vary depending on the provider. We work with multiple third-party providers, and each of them has its own policies regarding this matter.

Therefore, we recommend checking the FAQ section of your chosen provider for detailed information on the required verification steps.


Title: Re: 🔥 GingerWallet.io - Desktop, Non-custodial, Open source | #CoinJoin
Post by: Bitcoin Smith on February 22, 2025, 07:07:11 AM
🔥 NEW FEATURE: Buy Bitcoin in Ginger Wallet! 🔥

You can now buy Bitcoin directly from the Ginger Wallet app! 🚀
Fast, simple, and secure – no need for external services!

👉 Have you tried it yet?
📢 Share your experience! Was the process smooth? How did you like it?

If you haven’t tried it yet, now’s the time! 🚀
🔗 Gingerwallet.io

I checked the buy feature and seems INR was removed now, any particular reason?

When I checked previously the offers were shown but now I can't seem to find that pair.

Also, the buy feature is only possible via the third party aggregators as before or do we have any changes after you posted this...


Title: Re: 🔥 GingerWallet.io - Desktop, Non-custodial, Open source | #CoinJoin
Post by: GingerWallet on February 22, 2025, 01:27:27 PM
🔥 NEW FEATURE: Buy Bitcoin in Ginger Wallet! 🔥

You can now buy Bitcoin directly from the Ginger Wallet app! 🚀
Fast, simple, and secure – no need for external services!

👉 Have you tried it yet?
📢 Share your experience! Was the process smooth? How did you like it?

If you haven’t tried it yet, now’s the time! 🚀
🔗 Gingerwallet.io

I checked the buy feature and seems INR was removed now, any particular reason?

When I checked previously the offers were shown but now I can't seem to find that pair.

Also, the buy feature is only possible via the third party aggregators as before or do we have any changes after you posted this...

Thanks for noticing. We haven't removed it; we're currently checking with our aggregator service providers. If we find out anything, I'll write to you.


Title: Re: 🔥 GingerWallet.io - Desktop, Non-custodial, Open source | #CoinJoin
Post by: GingerWallet on March 05, 2025, 04:24:47 PM
🚀 Ginger Wallet v2.0.17 is here – our biggest update yet! 🎉

💰 Sell Bitcoin directly from your wallet!
No more hassle—use our built-in trade aggregator to get the best rates and cash out seamlessly.

🌱 Taproot Address Support
Receive Bitcoin to Taproot addresses for better privacy and efficiency.

✨ Smoother, faster, better!

Upgraded UI engine for a slicker experience
Various UI fixes & performance boosts
Improved logging for better stability
🔄 Upgrade now & experience the future of Bitcoin self-custody! 🔥👇
🔗 https://gingerwallet.io

🚀 Now you can both BUY & SELL Bitcoin directly in Ginger Wallet! 🔥


Title: Re: 🔥 GingerWallet.io - Desktop, Non-custodial, Open source | #CoinJoin
Post by: Cricktor on March 05, 2025, 07:28:27 PM
🚀 Ginger Wallet v2.0.17 is here – our biggest update yet! 🎉
...
🚀 Now you can both BUY & SELL Bitcoin directly in Ginger Wallet! 🔥
I've expected this to come as natural complement to the buy feature and was just wandering when the sell feature would be added. It's nice you guys implemented it surprisingly fast. Didn't see this coming so soon, well done (have not played yet with the new version).


Title: Re: 🔥 GingerWallet.io - Desktop, Non-custodial, Open source | #CoinJoin
Post by: apogio on March 06, 2025, 05:31:54 AM
In fact, I agree with Cricktor that the level of dedication and the work that they put in the project is notable. Good job!


Title: Re: 🔥 GingerWallet.io - Desktop, Non-custodial, Open source | #CoinJoin
Post by: icopress on March 07, 2025, 02:22:54 PM
Friends, I updated the links in OP  :)

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Buy & Sell Bitcoins with Ginger Wallet - [Sell] (https://docs.gingerwallet.io/using-ginger/sell.html), [Buy] (https://docs.gingerwallet.io/using-ginger/buy.html).


Title: Re: 🔥 GingerWallet.io - Desktop, Non-custodial, Open source | #CoinJoin
Post by: NotATether on March 09, 2025, 01:45:38 PM
Who is the third-party provider that they are using for buy and sell functionality?


Title: Re: 🔥 GingerWallet.io - Desktop, Non-custodial, Open source | #CoinJoin
Post by: Cricktor on March 09, 2025, 02:53:20 PM
Who is the third-party provider that they are using for buy and sell functionality?
In my country (Germany) it's mostly MoonPay for selling coins and Transak or MoonPay for buying coins. Possible payment methods are for me SEPA bank transaction, Apple Pay/Google Pay, PayPal, Visa/Mastercard. At least that's what is offered to me when I look for selling or buying offers in GingerWallet 2.0.17.

In both cases there's a notification where you can accept one of the displayed offers:
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By clicking Accept, I acknowledge that the transaction may later require AML/KYC verification by the third-party provider.


Title: Re: 🔥 GingerWallet.io - Desktop, Non-custodial, Open source | #CoinJoin
Post by: Bitcoin Smith on March 10, 2025, 07:40:14 PM

💰 Sell Bitcoin directly from your wallet!
No more hassle—use our built-in trade aggregator to get the best rates and cash out seamlessly.


Indeed, it's a big update that will ease the buy and sell process for people who doesn't want to register or move funds to exchange everytime.

Unfortunately there's limited number of countries only supported at the moment, hopefully in real soon the list will get bigger. ;)


Title: Re: 🔥 GingerWallet.io - Desktop, Non-custodial, Open source | #CoinJoin
Post by: GingerWallet on April 12, 2025, 03:26:33 PM
🚀 GingerWallet v2.0.18 is LIVE!
💥 Custom decimals & BTC grouping
🎨 Sleek new UI transitions
🐞 Big bugfixes (tooltips, orders, fees)
🔋 Power Saving Mode
🧊 Privacy Progress Widget
📣 Smarter notifications
   Back in the US!
Update now & level up your Bitcoin game! ⚡️
#Bitcoin #GingerWallet #Privacy #Update #CoinJoin


Title: Re: 🔥 GingerWallet.io - Desktop, Non-custodial, Open source | #CoinJoin
Post by: NotATether on April 13, 2025, 07:52:29 AM
🚀 GingerWallet v2.0.18 is LIVE!
💥 Custom decimals & BTC grouping
🎨 Sleek new UI transitions
🐞 Big bugfixes (tooltips, orders, fees)
🔋 Power Saving Mode
🧊 Privacy Progress Widget
📣 Smarter notifications
   Back in the US!
Update now & level up your Bitcoin game! ⚡️
#Bitcoin #GingerWallet #Privacy #Update #CoinJoin

That's wonderful!

Let me download and try this.

Will you make an Android version?

Or is there some sort of CLI or API you have in the desktop version that would allow someone to basically "automate" the use of Ginger Wallet? This would be particularly helpful for people trying to make .apk builds of this as you can have the wallet listen to connections on the local network and then connect to it from your phone or tablet.


Title: Re: 🔥 GingerWallet.io - Desktop, Non-custodial, Open source | #CoinJoin
Post by: GingerWallet on April 15, 2025, 08:46:37 AM
🚀 GingerWallet v2.0.18 is LIVE!
💥 Custom decimals & BTC grouping
🎨 Sleek new UI transitions
🐞 Big bugfixes (tooltips, orders, fees)
🔋 Power Saving Mode
🧊 Privacy Progress Widget
📣 Smarter notifications
   Back in the US!
Update now & level up your Bitcoin game! ⚡️
#Bitcoin #GingerWallet #Privacy #Update #CoinJoin

That's wonderful!

Let me download and try this.

Will you make an Android version?

Or is there some sort of CLI or API you have in the desktop version that would allow someone to basically "automate" the use of Ginger Wallet? This would be particularly helpful for people trying to make .apk builds of this as you can have the wallet listen to connections on the local network and then connect to it from your phone or tablet.


Thank you very much for reaching out and for your kind words of appreciation.
This topic has come up on our end as well. While we do see the potential and understand the interest in having an Android controller, at this stage we are focusing on other priorities that are more aligned with our current roadmap. As a result, adding Android controller support is not part of our short-term plans, but we will certainly keep it in mind for future development.


Title: Re: 🔥 GingerWallet.io - Desktop, Non-custodial, Open source | #CoinJoin
Post by: GingerWallet on May 01, 2025, 06:12:02 AM
New video: Ginger Wallet – Quick Feature Overview

Hey everyone,

I just uploaded a short video showcasing the key features of Ginger Wallet, a user-friendly and privacy-focused Bitcoin wallet. If you're looking for a wallet that balances simplicity and security, this video gives you a quick look at what it can do.

📺 Watch the video here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bzfp8m4KFFs

Let me know what you think — questions and feedback are always welcome!

Stay sovereign,
#Bitcoin #GingerWallet #Privacy #WalletDemo


Title: Re: 🔥 GingerWallet.io - Desktop, Non-custodial, Open source | #CoinJoin
Post by: SFR10 on May 04, 2025, 11:58:57 AM
I just uploaded a short video showcasing the key features of Ginger Wallet, a user-friendly and privacy-focused Bitcoin wallet. If you're looking for a wallet that balances simplicity and security, this video gives you a quick look at what it can do.[...]Let me know what you think — questions and feedback are always welcome!
It's a well-made video that showcases its feature, but I have to admit that the attractive AI model was a bit distracting. If you're planning on releasing in-depth video tutorials soon, it'd probably be better to keep only her voice.
- BTW, in your previous post here, you mentioned roadmap and I'm wondering if there are any plans to make that information public.


Title: Re: 🔥 GingerWallet.io - Desktop, Non-custodial, Open source | #CoinJoin
Post by: Forsyth Jones on May 04, 2025, 07:07:02 PM
Anyone having sync issues? I have a wallet (connected to a hardware wallet) on GingerWallet, but it doesn't show the most recent inputs, all of them are inputs from just one address, as they are signature campaign payments (4 new inputs are missing).

Every time I reopen the wallet, it shows the same result, the same happens when I sync. I deleted the wallet and restored it again, the same problem happens.

The wallet doesn't sync fully since previous versions, I'm currently on v2.0.18.0

I thought about GingerWallet hiding balances on the same address to avoid reuse, but I didn't find anything related to settings.


Title: Re: 🔥 GingerWallet.io - Desktop, Non-custodial, Open source | #CoinJoin
Post by: Cricktor on May 04, 2025, 08:24:22 PM
My GingerWallet syncs to my Bitcoin Core node v28.1 and I haven't really observed any sync issues so far. Contrary to your setup I use my GingerWallet only as a hot software wallet, so no hardware wallet connected.

What is the sync counterpart in your case, an Electrum server or Bitcoin Core or Bitcoin Knots?


Title: Re: 🔥 GingerWallet.io - Desktop, Non-custodial, Open source | #CoinJoin
Post by: Forsyth Jones on May 04, 2025, 08:39:46 PM
My GingerWallet syncs to my Bitcoin Core node v28.1 and I haven't really observed any sync issues so far. Contrary to your setup I use my GingerWallet only as a hot software wallet, so no hardware wallet connected.

What is the sync counterpart in your case, an Electrum server or Bitcoin Core or Bitcoin Knots?
In theory, I make sure to run bitcoin core (v28.0) to ensure that transactions sync across my node. I forgot to point this out.

I have both wallets (both created by gingerwallet and hardware wallets). However, I haven't transferred any funds to the hot wallet yet, so I'd like to test that as well.


Title: Re: 🔥 GingerWallet.io - Desktop, Non-custodial, Open source | #CoinJoin
Post by: GingerWallet on May 05, 2025, 11:12:49 AM
My GingerWallet syncs to my Bitcoin Core node v28.1 and I haven't really observed any sync issues so far. Contrary to your setup I use my GingerWallet only as a hot software wallet, so no hardware wallet connected.

What is the sync counterpart in your case, an Electrum server or Bitcoin Core or Bitcoin Knots?
In theory, I make sure to run bitcoin core (v28.0) to ensure that transactions sync across my node. I forgot to point this out.

I have both wallets (both created by gingerwallet and hardware wallets). However, I haven't transferred any funds to the hot wallet yet, so I'd like to test that as well.


Hello,

Settings → Bitcoin tab → Dust Threshold
Dust Threshold
Coins received from others to already used addresses won’t appear below this amount. To prevent potential dust attacks.


Title: Re: 🔥 GingerWallet.io - Desktop, Non-custodial, Open source | #CoinJoin
Post by: GingerWallet on May 08, 2025, 04:18:20 PM
🔒 Want better #Bitcoin privacy?
✨ Learn how easy it is to use the Coinjoin feature in GingerWallet.
📲 Just tap, wait, and let Ginger do the work.

🎥 Watch the tutorial: https://youtu.be/AJe67RDfB1A
⬇️ Download now: https://gingerwallet.io/

#GingerWallet #Coinjoin #PrivacyMatters #BitcoinPrivacy



Title: Re: 🔥 GingerWallet.io - Desktop, Non-custodial, Open source | #CoinJoin
Post by: ethex on May 14, 2025, 05:05:22 PM
GingerWallet also need kyc? anyone expedience something like this before?


Title: Re: 🔥 GingerWallet.io - Desktop, Non-custodial, Open source | #CoinJoin
Post by: ABCbits on May 15, 2025, 10:22:17 AM
GingerWallet also need kyc? anyone expedience something like this before?

You need to be more specific. From what i know, you probably refer to Ginger's built in buy/sell Bitcoin feature where it connects you to one of 3rd party/centralized exchange. In that case, it doesn't mean you need KYC for Ginger Wallet.


Title: Re: 🔥 GingerWallet.io - Desktop, Non-custodial, Open source | #CoinJoin
Post by: Forsyth Jones on May 15, 2025, 01:22:25 PM
Hello,

Settings → Bitcoin tab → Dust Threshold
Dust Threshold
Coins received from others to already used addresses won’t appear below this amount. To prevent potential dust attacks.
I'm testing Gingerwallet again. I've changed this value several times, and it's currently set to 0.0 BTC. The inputs from the same address didn't appear, but that's ok.



We know it's possible to restore a wallet in Gingerwallet using the 12-word recovery phrase together with the password (which is the extension of the BIP39 mnemonic). However, can I optionally make backups of the file saved locally as well?

In this case, 2 wallet files are saved: "wallet.json" and "wallet.attr". Do I need these two files to restore the wallet on another computer through Gingerwallet?

I'm sorry if this question has already been asked, I couldn't find it. However, I'd like to confirm.



My interface shows an exclamation mark, but Tor is running. When I click to get details, I'm redirected to this link in my browser > https://status.torproject.org/

Searching in the docs (wasabi) I found this FAQ that may solve the issue: https://docs.wasabiwallet.io/FAQ/FAQ-GeneralBitcoinPrivacy.html#my-country-isp-is-blocking-censoring-tor-how-can-i-use-wasabi-with-tor-bridges

Would following these steps solve a possible problem related to the connection to Tor?


Title: Re: 🔥 GingerWallet.io - Desktop, Non-custodial, Open source | #CoinJoin
Post by: GingerWallet on May 16, 2025, 08:06:01 AM
GingerWallet also need kyc? anyone expedience something like this before?

Just to clarify — Ginger Wallet is a non-custodial, open-source desktop wallet. It’s completely free to download and use, with no registration or KYC required. Are you thinking about the buy/sell feature maybe?


Title: Re: 🔥 GingerWallet.io - Desktop, Non-custodial, Open source | #CoinJoin
Post by: GingerWallet on May 18, 2025, 05:27:33 AM
Hello,

Settings → Bitcoin tab → Dust Threshold
Dust Threshold
Coins received from others to already used addresses won’t appear below this amount. To prevent potential dust attacks.
I'm testing Gingerwallet again. I've changed this value several times, and it's currently set to 0.0 BTC. The inputs from the same address didn't appear, but that's ok.



We know it's possible to restore a wallet in Gingerwallet using the 12-word recovery phrase together with the password (which is the extension of the BIP39 mnemonic). However, can I optionally make backups of the file saved locally as well?

In this case, 2 wallet files are saved: "wallet.json" and "wallet.attr". Do I need these two files to restore the wallet on another computer through Gingerwallet?

I'm sorry if this question has already been asked, I couldn't find it. However, I'd like to confirm.



My interface shows an exclamation mark, but Tor is running. When I click to get details, I'm redirected to this link in my browser > https://status.torproject.org/

Searching in the docs (wasabi) I found this FAQ that may solve the issue: https://docs.wasabiwallet.io/FAQ/FAQ-GeneralBitcoinPrivacy.html#my-country-isp-is-blocking-censoring-tor-how-can-i-use-wasabi-with-tor-bridges

Would following these steps solve a possible problem related to the connection to Tor?




Hello,

The wallet.json is the important one, the attr files contains your settings. You will need to ask for a full resync on the new computer. Still, not advised to use them as backup files.
I hope the answer was helpful. If you have any other questions, we're happy to help!


Title: Re: 🔥 GingerWallet.io - Desktop, Non-custodial, Open source | #CoinJoin
Post by: Forsyth Jones on May 18, 2025, 10:31:20 PM
Hello,

The wallet.json is the important one, the attr files contains your settings. You will need to ask for a full resync on the new computer. Still, not advised to use them as backup files.
I hope the answer was helpful. If you have any other questions, we're happy to help!
Unfortunately, after receiving new funds into my GingerWallet and it showing as pending transaction, after the transaction was confirmed and I reopened the wallet, it didn't detect the receiving funds as if nothing was received into the wallet, even after a re-sync.

Need to resolve this issue regarding synchronization.
GingerWallet connects directly to my node.


Title: Re: 🔥 GingerWallet.io - Desktop, Non-custodial, Open source | #CoinJoin
Post by: GingerWallet on May 19, 2025, 10:48:33 AM
📢 Incident Update: Filter Generation Issue Resolved

Over the past two days, our backend encountered an issue that prevented the generation of filters due to a bug in an underlying library. As a result, wallets were temporarily unable to detect new transactions during this period.

The issue has now been fixed. After synchronizing your wallet, any transactions from the last two days should appear correctly.

We sincerely apologize for the inconvenience and thank you for your understanding.

🛡️ Stay private,
The Ginger Wallet Team


Title: Re: 🔥 GingerWallet.io - Desktop, Non-custodial, Open source | #CoinJoin
Post by: GingerWallet on May 19, 2025, 10:50:30 AM
Hello,

The wallet.json is the important one, the attr files contains your settings. You will need to ask for a full resync on the new computer. Still, not advised to use them as backup files.
I hope the answer was helpful. If you have any other questions, we're happy to help!
Unfortunately, after receiving new funds into my GingerWallet and it showing as pending transaction, after the transaction was confirmed and I reopened the wallet, it didn't detect the receiving funds as if nothing was received into the wallet, even after a re-sync.

Need to resolve this issue regarding synchronization.
GingerWallet connects directly to my node.

Hi!
We’ve already fixed this issue. Could you please try again now?
If it still doesn’t work, feel free to reach out to us again — we’re happy to help.

Thanks!


Title: Re: 🔥 GingerWallet.io - Desktop, Non-custodial, Open source | #CoinJoin
Post by: GingerWallet on May 27, 2025, 06:32:48 PM
🚀 Ginger Wallet v2.0.19 is Live! 🎉
🔗 https://gingerwallet.io/

🔍 What’s New?

🌐 Expanded Language Support
Now available in: English, Spanish, Hungarian, French, Chinese, German, Portuguese, Turkish, Italian.

💸 Client-side Fee Rate Providers
Pick your own fee rate source and keep privacy via Tor.
→ Settings → Bitcoin → Fee Rate Provider
Options: Mempool Space (default), Blockstream.info, Full node

🛒 New BTC Purchase Option – Wert
Buy Bitcoin with Wert, now live!
📌 No ID needed under $1000
Also supported: Banxa, Transak, Moonpay

🗑️ Delete Wallet Function
Remove old wallets easily (just be sure they’re unused).

🎨 UI Improvements

Better layout across languages

Smoother CoinJoin animations

⚙️ Performance Boosts

Upgraded to NBitcoin v7.0.42.2

Faster loading & syncing

Thanks for being part of the Ginger Wallet community! 🙌
Download it today and take back your financial privacy.
👉 https://gingerwallet.io/




Title: Re: 🔥 GingerWallet.io - Desktop, Non-custodial, Open source | #CoinJoin
Post by: Bitcoin Smith on May 28, 2025, 08:25:13 PM
I checked the wallet after a while and it's good to see that now buy using INR paid is available yet not usable though. I understand it's provided by third party but I don't think the actually offers because I can't access it and also there is no bank transfer is available or atleast UPI which is the most used payment method in our country so if it's available there will be a good amount of traffic might use it.


Title: Re: 🔥 GingerWallet.io - Desktop, Non-custodial, Open source | #CoinJoin
Post by: GingerWallet on June 10, 2025, 06:42:20 PM
Privacy or Risk? Rethinking AML in CoinJoin Transactions

https://medium.com/@martin.rimoczi/privacy-or-risk-rethinking-aml-in-coinjoin-transactions-4a730ef805cb


Title: Re: 🔥 GingerWallet.io - Desktop, Non-custodial, Open source | #CoinJoin
Post by: Pmalek on June 11, 2025, 09:16:36 AM
Privacy or Risk?
The problem remains that centralized services, like the most popular CEXs get their 'risk ratings' for bitcoin transactions from service providers that don't see much differences between someone wanting privacy and someone trying to hide their illegal activities. So they group those two together. Even if you perform your own AML filtering in an attempt to block out the bad guys, your coinjoins will still be treated as risky by blockchain analysis regardless of who took part in them.

As I already said in a different topic, the fight isn't against illegal activities only, it's also against privacy. It's unwanted by those who are in power and who make the rules. You will never satisfy them and make them happy because they don't want you or the idea of you to exist.


Title: Re: 🔥 GingerWallet.io - Desktop, Non-custodial, Open source | #CoinJoin
Post by: ABCbits on June 11, 2025, 10:09:59 AM
Privacy or Risk? Rethinking AML in CoinJoin Transactions

https://medium.com/@martin.rimoczi/privacy-or-risk-rethinking-aml-in-coinjoin-transactions-4a730ef805cb

Unfortunately we don't live in ideal world. Some services simply want to reduce risk as much as possible, so they simply mark all coin from privacy tool/protocol as risky. Meanwhile some government and group see privacy as threat.


Title: Re: 🔥 GingerWallet.io - Desktop, Non-custodial, Open source | #CoinJoin
Post by: molnardavid84 on June 11, 2025, 10:30:09 AM
Privacy or Risk?
The problem remains that centralized services, like the most popular CEXs get their 'risk ratings' for bitcoin transactions from service providers that don't see much differences between someone wanting privacy and someone trying to hide their illegal activities.

Centralized services are not the root problem—they are imperfect but functional solutions. Until decentralized CoinJoin coordinators emerge and gain widespread adoption, users must rely on what actually works. In this current landscape, that often means centralized approaches.

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So they group those two together. Even if you perform your own AML filtering in an attempt to block out the bad guys, your coinjoins will still be treated as risky by blockchain analysis regardless of who took part in them.

That’s not entirely accurate. CoinJoins, in themselves, are not inherently problematic. Over the last seven years of CoinJoin history, only a handful of incidents—primarily during the pre-AML period of zkSNACKs—led to exchange freezes or bans. Once AML filtering was introduced, those incidents stopped. Now, we’re seeing them return for users participating in non-AML CoinJoin rounds. This clearly shows the problem isn’t CoinJoin as a concept, but rather when illicit funds and legitimate users are part of the same transaction.

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As I already said in a different topic, the fight isn't against illegal activities only, it's also against privacy. It's unwanted by those who are in power and who make the rules. You will never satisfy them and make them happy because they don't want you or the idea of you to exist.

I completely agree that privacy is something we must actively defend—it’s no longer a default. That’s exactly the mission of the GingerPrivacy team: to build tools that empower users with privacy while navigating the realities of today’s regulatory landscape.


Title: Re: 🔥 GingerWallet.io - Desktop, Non-custodial, Open source | #CoinJoin
Post by: JollyGood on June 11, 2025, 02:23:35 PM
I had a look at the coordinator list (https://wabisator.com) and it is there for all to see that Ginger Wallet is not doing that well. Looking at the previous 24 hours, Ginger Wallet had processed just 2.11 BTC whereas Open Cordinator has 7.16 BTC and the most was by Kruw with 1348 BTC therefore Ginger Wallet is trailing the other two coordinators.

coinjoin.kruw.io              0% + Free remixing                                            1348.70997514 BTC    
coinjoin.nl                      0% + Free remixing                                            0.00000000 BTC    
api.gingerwallet.io           0.3% + Free remixing + Free under 0.01 BTC       2.11780745 BTC    
api.opencoordinator.org   0% + Free remixing                                            7.16146245 BTC

🚀 Ginger Wallet v2.0.19 is Live! 🎉


Title: Re: 🔥 GingerWallet.io - Desktop, Non-custodial, Open source | #CoinJoin
Post by: Pmalek on June 11, 2025, 03:38:03 PM
I had a look at the coordinator list (https://wabisator.com) and it is there for all to see that Ginger Wallet is not doing that well. Looking at the previous 24 hours, Ginger Wallet had processed just 2.11 BTC whereas Open Cordinator has 7.16 BTC and the most was by Kruw with 1348 BTC therefore Ginger Wallet is trailing the other two coordinators.
Ginger Wallet's coordinator is the only one that charges users a coinjoin fee according to that stat. Although, the fee is small and amounts to only 0.3%, not to forget that coinjoins under 0.01 BTC are free, those who are interested in using this type of software are probably asking themselves, why would I pay anything at all if I can coinjoin for free elsewhere? They have to find the differences and advantages of this coordinator worth it enough to pay for it. Some still do, which is good for Ginger Wallet's team but many others don't.


Title: Re: 🔥 GingerWallet.io - Desktop, Non-custodial, Open source | #CoinJoin
Post by: Forsyth Jones on June 11, 2025, 03:45:22 PM
The problem remains that centralized services, like the most popular CEXs get their 'risk ratings' for bitcoin transactions from service providers that don't see much differences between someone wanting privacy and someone trying to hide their illegal activities. So they group those two together. Even if you perform your own AML filtering in an attempt to block out the bad guys, your coinjoins will still be treated as risky by blockchain analysis regardless of who took part in them.
So what is the alternative? I coinjoined first time, but I haven't sent to any CEX yet, I'm thinking of sending these coins to some of my other wallets before (in my possession).

Ginger Wallet's coordinator is the only one that charges users a coinjoin fee according to that stat. Although, the fee is small and amounts to only 0.3%, not to forget that coinjoins under 0.01 BTC are free, those who are interested in using this type of software are probably asking themselves, why would I pay anything at all if I can coinjoin for free elsewhere? They have to find the differences and advantages of this coordinator worth it enough to pay for it. Some still do, which is good for Ginger Wallet's team but many others don't.
I arrived at the same conclusion before choosing the the service/coordinator to enter a coinjoin. This particularly didn't bother me much, since I made coinjoin with funds less than 0.01 BTC


Title: Re: 🔥 GingerWallet.io - Desktop, Non-custodial, Open source | #CoinJoin
Post by: Pmalek on June 12, 2025, 09:47:27 AM
So what is the alternative? I coinjoined first time, but I haven't sent to any CEX yet, I'm thinking of sending these coins to some of my other wallets before (in my possession).
I am not sure. Staying away from centralized exchanges that can't be trusted is good advice regardless if you use privacy tools or not. Moving the coinjoined funds around within your non-custodial wallets like normal money isn't bad either. If a CEX freezes your funds, you can always say you bought the bitcoin from someone P2P and you have no way of knowing what they used them for in the past. That is if you don't want to tell your CEX you used a coinjoin service. 


Title: Re: 🔥 GingerWallet.io - Desktop, Non-custodial, Open source | #CoinJoin
Post by: Forsyth Jones on June 12, 2025, 09:08:55 PM
So what is the alternative? I coinjoined first time, but I haven't sent to any CEX yet, I'm thinking of sending these coins to some of my other wallets before (in my possession).
I am not sure. Staying away from centralized exchanges that can't be trusted is good advice regardless if you use privacy tools or not. Moving the coinjoined funds around within your non-custodial wallets like normal money isn't bad either. If a CEX freezes your funds, you can always say you bought the bitcoin from someone P2P and you have no way of knowing what they used them for in the past. That is if you don't want to tell your CEX you used a coinjoin service. 
Honestly, it doesn't cost anything for a CEX to ask for depositing proofs claiming to be in compliance with current tax regulations. I say this because I had a similar experience, of course it wasn't due to the use of coinjoin, but rather failing to properly store my password + 2FA code.. In short, during my account recovery process, one of the requested items was proof of fiat deposits (I had made one in BTC).

But you're right, the way is to transfer coinjoined UTXOs to other wallets in my possession, wait a while before sending them to a custody service, but the more we can avoid CEX, the better!

Like using bisq. However, from time to time I need to use CEX due to investments such as derivative futures.


Title: Re: 🔥 GingerWallet.io - Desktop, Non-custodial, Open source | #CoinJoin
Post by: JollyGood on June 13, 2025, 09:14:44 AM
The Ginger Wallet developers made a commercial decision to fork Wasabi Wallet and create a wallet that forces users to pay for the coinjoin service (if above 0.01 BTC). If someone was given a choice to either pay for coinjoins or achieve it for free, most would opt to not pay for it.

Maybe Ginger Wallet should start looking at ways that might help increase their use.

Ginger Wallet's coordinator is the only one that charges users a coinjoin fee according to that stat. Although, the fee is small and amounts to only 0.3%, not to forget that coinjoins under 0.01 BTC are free, those who are interested in using this type of software are probably asking themselves, why would I pay anything at all if I can coinjoin for free elsewhere? They have to find the differences and advantages of this coordinator worth it enough to pay for it. Some still do, which is good for Ginger Wallet's team but many others don't.


Title: Re: 🔥 GingerWallet.io - Desktop, Non-custodial, Open source | #CoinJoin
Post by: Pmalek on June 14, 2025, 06:50:50 AM
Maybe Ginger Wallet should start looking at ways that might help increase their use.
There are two ways in which they can do that. One is to create something truly unique that the other Wasabi coordinators currently don't support. I am not sure what that is but it has to be significant enough to signal a turning point and increase the popularity of Ginger Wallet. The other way is to further decrease their coinjoin fees, which would obviously have direct consequences on their profits.


Title: Re: 🔥 GingerWallet.io - Desktop, Non-custodial, Open source | #CoinJoin
Post by: JollyGood on June 17, 2025, 01:56:10 PM
If they decided to remove the 0.3% fee and made Ginger Wallet a free service, it would probably increase the number of people using it. For now at least, Open Coordinator (opencoordinator.org) is not charging a fee and they have a 24 hour figure of just 1.18 BTC. Kruw coordinator also does not charge a fee and has 1168 BTC.

At the same time, Ginger Wallet has 0.17 BTC therefore their business model is not working. The details can be seen on the Wabisabi Coordinators List (https://wabisator.com) at Wabisator.

There are two ways in which they can do that. One is to create something truly unique that the other Wasabi coordinators currently don't support. I am not sure what that is but it has to be significant enough to signal a turning point and increase the popularity of Ginger Wallet. The other way is to further decrease their coinjoin fees, which would obviously have direct consequences on their profits.


Title: Re: 🔥 GingerWallet.io - Desktop, Non-custodial, Open source | #CoinJoin
Post by: FinneysTrueVision on June 19, 2025, 06:44:11 AM
That’s not entirely accurate. CoinJoins, in themselves, are not inherently problematic. Over the last seven years of CoinJoin history, only a handful of incidents—primarily during the pre-AML period of zkSNACKs—led to exchange freezes or bans. Once AML filtering was introduced, those incidents stopped. Now, we’re seeing them return for users participating in non-AML CoinJoin rounds. This clearly shows the problem isn’t CoinJoin as a concept, but rather when illicit funds and legitimate users are part of the same transaction.

This is based on your own anecdotal analysis, which is probably biased towards whatever makes Ginger look like a preferable alternative, but based on my own experiences getting flagged, exchanges don’t care if your coins come from an AML or non-AML coinjoin. AML filtering is really only for the benefit of developers, so they can make the argument that they were legally compliant. For the average user there is unlikely any difference in how their coins will be treated.


Title: Re: 🔥 GingerWallet.io - Desktop, Non-custodial, Open source | #CoinJoin
Post by: Pmalek on June 21, 2025, 07:17:18 AM
If they decided to remove the 0.3% fee and made Ginger Wallet a free service, it would probably increase the number of people using it. For now at least, Open Coordinator (opencoordinator.org) is not charging a fee and they have a 24 hour figure of just 1.18 BTC. Kruw coordinator also does not charge a fee and has 1168 BTC.

At the same time, Ginger Wallet has 0.17 BTC therefore their business model is not working. The details can be seen on the Wabisabi Coordinators List (https://wabisator.com) at Wabisator.
One thing I have noticed about the Wabisabi Coordinators List is that whenever I visit it, the source shows that no coinjoins were done using the coinjoin.nl coordinator. Even its history shows 0 coinjoins performed in the last 7 days. It makes me wonder if this coordinator is even working or if it's that unpopular that no one even wants to give it a try. If it was offline for a lengthier period of time, it would surely have been removed from the list.


Title: Re: 🔥 GingerWallet.io - Desktop, Non-custodial, Open source | #CoinJoin
Post by: lontivero on June 21, 2025, 01:53:50 PM
One thing I have noticed about the Wabisabi Coordinators List is that whenever I visit it, the source shows that no coinjoins were done using the coinjoin.nl coordinator. Even its history shows 0 coinjoins performed in the last 7 days. It makes me wonder if this coordinator is even working or if it's that unpopular that no one even wants to give it a try. If it was offline for a lengthier period of time, it would surely have been removed from the list.

It seems to work okay but it doesn't get much participants and that means that your anonymity set will be very low in comparison with other coordinators, however that can be okay for many scenarios where you want to gain privacy from non-super-wealthy adversaries, what I imagine is the case for 99% of people.


Title: Re: 🔥 GingerWallet.io - Desktop, Non-custodial, Open source | #CoinJoin
Post by: JollyGood on June 21, 2025, 04:11:32 PM
If we take the data at face value it does seem to be the case but there could be more to the situation (as you stated). A very long time ago I might have seen some activity on coinjoin.nl in the list but cannot be sure if it is not working.

One thing I have noticed about the Wabisabi Coordinators List is that whenever I visit it, the source shows that no coinjoins were done using the coinjoin.nl coordinator. Even its history shows 0 coinjoins performed in the last 7 days. It makes me wonder if this coordinator is even working or if it's that unpopular that no one even wants to give it a try. If it was offline for a lengthier period of time, it would surely have been removed from the list.


Title: Re: 🔥 GingerWallet.io - Desktop, Non-custodial, Open source | #CoinJoin
Post by: GingerWallet on June 25, 2025, 08:17:53 AM
🚨 Good news for plebs! 🚨

We’ve just tripled the threshold for our Plebs Don’t Pay policy — from 0.01 BTC to 0.03 BTC.

That means you can now CoinJoin up to 0.03 BTC completely free.
🔁 More sats. Same price. Still zero.

No fees, no gimmicks — just more privacy for everyday Bitcoiners.

Let the plebs join in peace.


Title: Re: 🔥 GingerWallet.io - Desktop, Non-custodial, Open source | #CoinJoin
Post by: JollyGood on June 25, 2025, 09:07:31 AM
It might be good news to raise the threshold from 0.01 BTC to 0.03 BTC but you have made the concession very late, you should have reacted sooner. Kruw coordinator has consistently been at the top and as you can see Open Coordinator is way ahead of the 24 hour coinjoin numbers that Ginger Wallet is processing.

Both Kruw coordinator and open coordinator are totally free and I think that reflects in the fact less people want to pay to use Ginger Wallet when they can get better coinjoins for free.

https://i.postimg.cc/X7XY4n1C/wabisator-Copy.png

🚨 Good news for plebs! 🚨

We’ve just tripled the threshold for our Plebs Don’t Pay policy — from 0.01 BTC to 0.03 BTC.