🔥 GingerWallet.io - Desktop, Non-custodial, Open source | #CoinJoin

[GingerWallet]

Hello,

The wallet.json is the important one, the attr files contains your settings. You will need to ask for a full resync on the new computer. Still, not advised to use them as backup files.
I hope the answer was helpful. If you have any other questions, we're happy to help!

Unfortunately, after receiving new funds into my GingerWallet and it showing as pending transaction, after the transaction was confirmed and I reopened the wallet, it didn't detect the receiving funds as if nothing was received into the wallet, even after a re-sync.

Need to resolve this issue regarding synchronization.
GingerWallet connects directly to my node.

Hi!
We’ve already fixed this issue. Could you please try again now?
If it still doesn’t work, feel free to reach out to us again — we’re happy to help.

Thanks!

[GingerWallet]

🚀 Ginger Wallet v2.0.19 is Live! 🎉
🔗 https://gingerwallet.io/

🔍 What’s New?

🌐 Expanded Language Support
Now available in: English, Spanish, Hungarian, French, Chinese, German, Portuguese, Turkish, Italian.

💸 Client-side Fee Rate Providers
Pick your own fee rate source and keep privacy via Tor.
→ Settings → Bitcoin → Fee Rate Provider
Options: Mempool Space (default), Blockstream.info, Full node

🛒 New BTC Purchase Option – Wert
Buy Bitcoin with Wert, now live!
📌 No ID needed under $1000
Also supported: Banxa, Transak, Moonpay

🗑️ Delete Wallet Function
Remove old wallets easily (just be sure they’re unused).

🎨 UI Improvements

Better layout across languages

Smoother CoinJoin animations

⚙️ Performance Boosts

Upgraded to NBitcoin v7.0.42.2

Faster loading & syncing

Thanks for being part of the Ginger Wallet community! 🙌
Download it today and take back your financial privacy.
👉 https://gingerwallet.io/

[Bitcoin Smith]

I checked the wallet after a while and it's good to see that now buy using INR paid is available yet not usable though. I understand it's provided by third party but I don't think the actually offers because I can't access it and also there is no bank transfer is available or atleast UPI which is the most used payment method in our country so if it's available there will be a good amount of traffic might use it.

[GingerWallet]

Privacy or Risk? Rethinking AML in CoinJoin Transactions

https://medium.com/@martin.rimoczi/privacy-or-risk-rethinking-aml-in-coinjoin-transactions-4a730ef805cb

[Pmalek]

Privacy or Risk?

The problem remains that centralized services, like the most popular CEXs get their 'risk ratings' for bitcoin transactions from service providers that don't see much differences between someone wanting privacy and someone trying to hide their illegal activities. So they group those two together. Even if you perform your own AML filtering in an attempt to block out the bad guys, your coinjoins will still be treated as risky by blockchain analysis regardless of who took part in them.

As I already said in a different topic, the fight isn't against illegal activities only, it's also against privacy. It's unwanted by those who are in power and who make the rules. You will never satisfy them and make them happy because they don't want you or the idea of you to exist.

[ABCbits]

Privacy or Risk? Rethinking AML in CoinJoin Transactions

https://medium.com/@martin.rimoczi/privacy-or-risk-rethinking-aml-in-coinjoin-transactions-4a730ef805cb

Unfortunately we don't live in ideal world. Some services simply want to reduce risk as much as possible, so they simply mark all coin from privacy tool/protocol as risky. Meanwhile some government and group see privacy as threat.

[molnardavid84]

Privacy or Risk?

The problem remains that centralized services, like the most popular CEXs get their 'risk ratings' for bitcoin transactions from service providers that don't see much differences between someone wanting privacy and someone trying to hide their illegal activities.

Centralized services are not the root problem—they are imperfect but functional solutions. Until decentralized CoinJoin coordinators emerge and gain widespread adoption, users must rely on what actually works. In this current landscape, that often means centralized approaches.

So they group those two together. Even if you perform your own AML filtering in an attempt to block out the bad guys, your coinjoins will still be treated as risky by blockchain analysis regardless of who took part in them.

That’s not entirely accurate. CoinJoins, in themselves, are not inherently problematic. Over the last seven years of CoinJoin history, only a handful of incidents—primarily during the pre-AML period of zkSNACKs—led to exchange freezes or bans. Once AML filtering was introduced, those incidents stopped. Now, we’re seeing them return for users participating in non-AML CoinJoin rounds. This clearly shows the problem isn’t CoinJoin as a concept, but rather when illicit funds and legitimate users are part of the same transaction.

As I already said in a different topic, the fight isn't against illegal activities only, it's also against privacy. It's unwanted by those who are in power and who make the rules. You will never satisfy them and make them happy because they don't want you or the idea of you to exist.

I completely agree that privacy is something we must actively defend—it’s no longer a default. That’s exactly the mission of the GingerPrivacy team: to build tools that empower users with privacy while navigating the realities of today’s regulatory landscape.

[JollyGood]

I had a look at the coordinator list (https://wabisator.com) and it is there for all to see that Ginger Wallet is not doing that well. Looking at the previous 24 hours, Ginger Wallet had processed just 2.11 BTC whereas Open Cordinator has 7.16 BTC and the most was by Kruw with 1348 BTC therefore Ginger Wallet is trailing the other two coordinators.

coinjoin.kruw.io              0% + Free remixing                                            1348.70997514 BTC    
coinjoin.nl                      0% + Free remixing                                            0.00000000 BTC    
api.gingerwallet.io           0.3% + Free remixing + Free under 0.01 BTC       2.11780745 BTC    
api.opencoordinator.org   0% + Free remixing                                            7.16146245 BTC

🚀 Ginger Wallet v2.0.19 is Live! 🎉

[Pmalek]

I had a look at the coordinator list (https://wabisator.com) and it is there for all to see that Ginger Wallet is not doing that well. Looking at the previous 24 hours, Ginger Wallet had processed just 2.11 BTC whereas Open Cordinator has 7.16 BTC and the most was by Kruw with 1348 BTC therefore Ginger Wallet is trailing the other two coordinators.

Ginger Wallet's coordinator is the only one that charges users a coinjoin fee according to that stat. Although, the fee is small and amounts to only 0.3%, not to forget that coinjoins under 0.01 BTC are free, those who are interested in using this type of software are probably asking themselves, why would I pay anything at all if I can coinjoin for free elsewhere? They have to find the differences and advantages of this coordinator worth it enough to pay for it. Some still do, which is good for Ginger Wallet's team but many others don't.

[Forsyth Jones]

The problem remains that centralized services, like the most popular CEXs get their 'risk ratings' for bitcoin transactions from service providers that don't see much differences between someone wanting privacy and someone trying to hide their illegal activities. So they group those two together. Even if you perform your own AML filtering in an attempt to block out the bad guys, your coinjoins will still be treated as risky by blockchain analysis regardless of who took part in them.

So what is the alternative? I coinjoined first time, but I haven't sent to any CEX yet, I'm thinking of sending these coins to some of my other wallets before (in my possession).

Ginger Wallet's coordinator is the only one that charges users a coinjoin fee according to that stat. Although, the fee is small and amounts to only 0.3%, not to forget that coinjoins under 0.01 BTC are free, those who are interested in using this type of software are probably asking themselves, why would I pay anything at all if I can coinjoin for free elsewhere? They have to find the differences and advantages of this coordinator worth it enough to pay for it. Some still do, which is good for Ginger Wallet's team but many others don't.

I arrived at the same conclusion before choosing the the service/coordinator to enter a coinjoin. This particularly didn't bother me much, since I made coinjoin with funds less than 0.01 BTC

[Pmalek]

So what is the alternative? I coinjoined first time, but I haven't sent to any CEX yet, I'm thinking of sending these coins to some of my other wallets before (in my possession).

I am not sure. Staying away from centralized exchanges that can't be trusted is good advice regardless if you use privacy tools or not. Moving the coinjoined funds around within your non-custodial wallets like normal money isn't bad either. If a CEX freezes your funds, you can always say you bought the bitcoin from someone P2P and you have no way of knowing what they used them for in the past. That is if you don't want to tell your CEX you used a coinjoin service. 

[Forsyth Jones]

So what is the alternative? I coinjoined first time, but I haven't sent to any CEX yet, I'm thinking of sending these coins to some of my other wallets before (in my possession).

I am not sure. Staying away from centralized exchanges that can't be trusted is good advice regardless if you use privacy tools or not. Moving the coinjoined funds around within your non-custodial wallets like normal money isn't bad either. If a CEX freezes your funds, you can always say you bought the bitcoin from someone P2P and you have no way of knowing what they used them for in the past. That is if you don't want to tell your CEX you used a coinjoin service. 

Honestly, it doesn't cost anything for a CEX to ask for depositing proofs claiming to be in compliance with current tax regulations. I say this because I had a similar experience, of course it wasn't due to the use of coinjoin, but rather failing to properly store my password + 2FA code.. In short, during my account recovery process, one of the requested items was proof of fiat deposits (I had made one in BTC).

But you're right, the way is to transfer coinjoined UTXOs to other wallets in my possession, wait a while before sending them to a custody service, but the more we can avoid CEX, the better!

Like using bisq. However, from time to time I need to use CEX due to investments such as derivative futures.

[JollyGood]

The Ginger Wallet developers made a commercial decision to fork Wasabi Wallet and create a wallet that forces users to pay for the coinjoin service (if above 0.01 BTC). If someone was given a choice to either pay for coinjoins or achieve it for free, most would opt to not pay for it.

Maybe Ginger Wallet should start looking at ways that might help increase their use.

Ginger Wallet's coordinator is the only one that charges users a coinjoin fee according to that stat. Although, the fee is small and amounts to only 0.3%, not to forget that coinjoins under 0.01 BTC are free, those who are interested in using this type of software are probably asking themselves, why would I pay anything at all if I can coinjoin for free elsewhere? They have to find the differences and advantages of this coordinator worth it enough to pay for it. Some still do, which is good for Ginger Wallet's team but many others don't.

[Pmalek]

Maybe Ginger Wallet should start looking at ways that might help increase their use.

There are two ways in which they can do that. One is to create something truly unique that the other Wasabi coordinators currently don't support. I am not sure what that is but it has to be significant enough to signal a turning point and increase the popularity of Ginger Wallet. The other way is to further decrease their coinjoin fees, which would obviously have direct consequences on their profits.

[JollyGood]

If they decided to remove the 0.3% fee and made Ginger Wallet a free service, it would probably increase the number of people using it. For now at least, Open Coordinator (opencoordinator.org) is not charging a fee and they have a 24 hour figure of just 1.18 BTC. Kruw coordinator also does not charge a fee and has 1168 BTC.

At the same time, Ginger Wallet has 0.17 BTC therefore their business model is not working. The details can be seen on the Wabisabi Coordinators List at Wabisator.

There are two ways in which they can do that. One is to create something truly unique that the other Wasabi coordinators currently don't support. I am not sure what that is but it has to be significant enough to signal a turning point and increase the popularity of Ginger Wallet. The other way is to further decrease their coinjoin fees, which would obviously have direct consequences on their profits.

[FinneysTrueVision]

That’s not entirely accurate. CoinJoins, in themselves, are not inherently problematic. Over the last seven years of CoinJoin history, only a handful of incidents—primarily during the pre-AML period of zkSNACKs—led to exchange freezes or bans. Once AML filtering was introduced, those incidents stopped. Now, we’re seeing them return for users participating in non-AML CoinJoin rounds. This clearly shows the problem isn’t CoinJoin as a concept, but rather when illicit funds and legitimate users are part of the same transaction.

This is based on your own anecdotal analysis, which is probably biased towards whatever makes Ginger look like a preferable alternative, but based on my own experiences getting flagged, exchanges don’t care if your coins come from an AML or non-AML coinjoin. AML filtering is really only for the benefit of developers, so they can make the argument that they were legally compliant. For the average user there is unlikely any difference in how their coins will be treated.

[Pmalek]

If they decided to remove the 0.3% fee and made Ginger Wallet a free service, it would probably increase the number of people using it. For now at least, Open Coordinator (opencoordinator.org) is not charging a fee and they have a 24 hour figure of just 1.18 BTC. Kruw coordinator also does not charge a fee and has 1168 BTC.

At the same time, Ginger Wallet has 0.17 BTC therefore their business model is not working. The details can be seen on the Wabisabi Coordinators List at Wabisator.

One thing I have noticed about the Wabisabi Coordinators List is that whenever I visit it, the source shows that no coinjoins were done using the coinjoin.nl coordinator. Even its history shows 0 coinjoins performed in the last 7 days. It makes me wonder if this coordinator is even working or if it's that unpopular that no one even wants to give it a try. If it was offline for a lengthier period of time, it would surely have been removed from the list.

[lontivero]

One thing I have noticed about the Wabisabi Coordinators List is that whenever I visit it, the source shows that no coinjoins were done using the coinjoin.nl coordinator. Even its history shows 0 coinjoins performed in the last 7 days. It makes me wonder if this coordinator is even working or if it's that unpopular that no one even wants to give it a try. If it was offline for a lengthier period of time, it would surely have been removed from the list.

It seems to work okay but it doesn't get much participants and that means that your anonymity set will be very low in comparison with other coordinators, however that can be okay for many scenarios where you want to gain privacy from non-super-wealthy adversaries, what I imagine is the case for 99% of people.

[JollyGood]

If we take the data at face value it does seem to be the case but there could be more to the situation (as you stated). A very long time ago I might have seen some activity on coinjoin.nl in the list but cannot be sure if it is not working.

One thing I have noticed about the Wabisabi Coordinators List is that whenever I visit it, the source shows that no coinjoins were done using the coinjoin.nl coordinator. Even its history shows 0 coinjoins performed in the last 7 days. It makes me wonder if this coordinator is even working or if it's that unpopular that no one even wants to give it a try. If it was offline for a lengthier period of time, it would surely have been removed from the list.

[GingerWallet]

🚨 Good news for plebs! 🚨

We’ve just tripled the threshold for our Plebs Don’t Pay policy — from 0.01 BTC to 0.03 BTC.

That means you can now CoinJoin up to 0.03 BTC completely free.
🔁 More sats. Same price. Still zero.

No fees, no gimmicks — just more privacy for everyday Bitcoiners.

Let the plebs join in peace.