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Title: Shouldn't there be a rule to prevent burst-posting or spam such as this?
Post by: Alone055 on September 08, 2024, 04:32:13 PM
This might not be something that directly harms the forum or its well-being, but it's painful to watch.

If there was an award for burst-posting, this guy (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=3618422) would surely be the winner in it. The guy is literally making a post every 2 to 3 minutes in any section he stumbles upon, look at the picture for reference:

https://talkimg.com/images/2024/09/08/BCPio.png

That isn't the only board or place where he did or does this, he did the same in Gambling Discussion just an hour or half an hour ago but because that section is more crowded, it went unnoticed but it can be seen from his post history (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=3618422;sa=showPosts). The guy has 1690 posts with only 182 activity points, and most of his posts are of the same nature, generic 3-line posts without much contribution to the topics in question.

I'm not against this guy or anyone in general, but I feel this isn't normal behavior and there should be a way to prevent this from happening.

P.S.: I'll lock the thread if the community thinks otherwise. Open for discussion for now.


Title: Re: Shouldn't there be a rule to prevent burst-posting or spam such as this?
Post by: Charles-Tim on September 08, 2024, 04:37:01 PM
Just keep reporting the posts and explain in details while reporting it. All his spam posts would be deleted and he may likely get temporary ban.


Title: Re: Shouldn't there be a rule to prevent burst-posting or spam such as this?
Post by: tranthidung on September 08, 2024, 04:41:50 PM
If posts are spam, let's report them and the spammer will come to a ban soon.

A little bit beyond this case, you can see a user makes a series of post but if these posts are good in quality, it's not a spammer and no issue at all. Assume he composes these posts and when are ready, he releases it in a series. This style is not common but I would like to give the example to show that quality is key of deciding a post is spam or not spam, should be deleted or kept and a poster should be banned or not.


Title: Re: Shouldn't there be a rule to prevent burst-posting or spam such as this?
Post by: PX-Z on September 08, 2024, 04:47:59 PM
Usually users tend to do like this because they have paying campaign. Report it to the campaign manager so the user will get removed and get nothing, which i think he is really in a campaign or just wearing it.

As for forum rules, there's no rules for "burst-posting", unless the posts are considered and reported as spam. But if the posts are somewhat good, then there's no issue at all.


Title: Re: Shouldn't there be a rule to prevent burst-posting or spam such as this?
Post by: Mia Chloe on September 08, 2024, 04:57:39 PM
Rule or no rule spammers will still spam, and plagiarists will still plagiarise, and that's just fact. The forum rules don't support spamming and creation of generic shit posts but still every now and then we find shit posts and plagiarised contents and write ups scattered around different boards on the forum. Personally I'll say that no one including Moderators are to blame except the spammers and plagiarists themselves.
Numerous times I have across posts like this with complaints of some users constantly spamming and creating generic posts. However I'll say complaining and creating threads won't solve a thing rather the best thing to do is assists moderators to clean the forum.
Like other members here have previously mentioned ,all we have to do is report posts like these to help moderators spot them.


Title: Re: Shouldn't there be a rule to prevent burst-posting or spam such as this?
Post by: Alone055 on September 08, 2024, 04:58:10 PM
Just keep reporting the posts and explain in details while reporting it. All his spam posts would be deleted and he may likely get temporary ban.

I will, but I just wanted to bring this into everyone's notice, or maybe find a quicker solution to the problem.

A little bit beyond this case, you can see a user makes a series of post but if these posts are good in quality, it's not a spammer and no issue at all. Assume he composes these posts and when are ready, he releases it in a series. This style is not common but I would like to give the example to show that quality is key of deciding a post is spam or not spam, should be deleted or kept and a poster should be banned or not.

As for forum rules, there's no rules for "burst-posting", unless the posts are considered and reported as spam. But if the posts are somewhat good, then there's no issue at all.

That's part of the problem, I wouldn't be concerned or have any problems if he was making quality posts, I enjoy reading posts that don't waste my time, but that isn't the case here. All, or most, of his posts are generic low-quality posts which makes is clear how he is able to write a post every two minutes.


Title: Re: Shouldn't there be a rule to prevent burst-posting or spam such as this?
Post by: Nheer on September 08, 2024, 06:01:59 PM
Since some users have suggested to you what to do i think you might want to lock the thread up since there is no point keeping it open anymore. Just do as Charles-Tim have advised, report the post to moderators and the post will get deleted, spamming is not encouraged here and by reporting the user and his post you have made a good contribution to the community to help keep the community clean and conducive.

If people can’t learn to read rules and regulations easily then learning the hard way is the only way to get them to learn.


Title: Re: Shouldn't there be a rule to prevent burst-posting or spam such as this?
Post by: Zoomic on September 08, 2024, 06:38:34 PM
If posts are spam, let's report them and the spammer will come to a ban soon.

A little bit beyond this case, you can see a user makes a series of post but if these posts are good in quality, it's not a spammer and no issue at all. Assume he composes these posts and when are ready, he releases it in a series. This style is not common but I would like to give the example to show that quality is key of deciding a post is spam or not spam, should be deleted or kept and a poster should be banned or not.
I understand what you meant but there's actually more to it;
This forum doesn't actually accept schedule posting, if it does, we can say that a user at his leisure could make like 20 posts and schedule them to be published later. In the scenario you painted that someone could make posts and later begin to post them one after the other, to me I may consider this as a type of spam.
Spam could also be doing things in a sequence that negates the natural way of doing things in a particular environment. In the issue in question, the time between posts is 2 to 3 mins, this could also suggest that this is a bot operation.
But in all, I don't want to belong to a forum where people are interested in quantity discussion and not the quality of the discussion.


Title: Re: Shouldn't there be a rule to prevent burst-posting or spam such as this?
Post by: Davidvictorson on September 08, 2024, 07:00:54 PM
This might not be something that directly harms the forum or its well-being, but it's painful to watch.
This is behavior is very common among newbies who have refused or rather are too lazy to do their homework on the forum. They probably think that this forum is like other forums where the behavior is accepted. In my estimation, I'll ignore him however if it bothers you so much, just report his posts and the.mods would lock the topics if necessary.


Title: Re: Shouldn't there be a rule to prevent burst-posting or spam such as this?
Post by: LTU_btc on September 08, 2024, 07:27:30 PM
Nobody isn't going to introduce new rules or restrictions because of one or few users who behaving in that way. Haven't looked at posts of this users deeply, but if you feel that he is spamming, just report his posts. It will be deleted and maybe he will get temporrary ban.

Assume he composes these posts and when are ready, he releases it in a series. This style is not common but I would like to give the example to show that quality is key of deciding a post is spam or not spam, should be deleted or kept and a poster should be banned or not.
In past I was doing something similar. I had opened multiple topics on few tabs and was writting in several of these topics. It was normal posts, it took a while to write it, it's not that I was jumping from one to next topic. I just published it in short time interval, so, it might be looked like burst posting. But I don't see burst posting as very big issue, as long as it's quality posts.


Title: Re: Shouldn't there be a rule to prevent burst-posting or spam such as this?
Post by: Igebotz on September 08, 2024, 07:54:10 PM
Usually users tend to do like this because they have paying campaign. Report it to the campaign manager so the user will get removed and get nothing, which i think he is really in a campaign or just wearing it.

That's not an active campaign signature; he's just wearing it for fun and posting to increase activity points, because I don't see any reason why they'd continue making more than 20 1-2 liner posts every day.


Title: Re: Shouldn't there be a rule to prevent burst-posting or spam such as this?
Post by: skarais on September 08, 2024, 08:27:01 PM
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That's not an active campaign signature; he's just wearing it for fun and posting to increase activity points, because I don't see any reason why they'd continue making more than 20 1-2 liner posts every day.
Any of those posts can be reported if someone thinks they are not quality or constructive posts on the thread. Regardless of the time gap between posts, poor quality posts should be reported and removed. The length and shortness of a post does not reflect its quality, but the content of what he conveys will determine it all. So I wouldn't be surprised if the user mentioned had enough basic knowledge of a few things that his post couldn't be removed entirely.


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I will, but I just wanted to bring this into everyone's notice, or maybe find a quicker solution to the problem.
The user above basically already has more than 100 activity, so he only needs 4 seconds between posts before he posts another one. The problem is quality, if you think the post is not quality then you need to report it.

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Limits on posting

Code:
waittime = 360;
if(activity >= 15)
        waittime = (int)(90 - activity);
if(activity >= 60)
        waittime=(int)(34.7586 - (0.0793103 * activity));
if(activity >= 100)
        waittime = max((int)(14-(activity/50)), 4);


Title: Re: Shouldn't there be a rule to prevent burst-posting or spam such as this?
Post by: BitcoinGirl.Club on September 08, 2024, 08:45:10 PM
That's not an active campaign signature; he's just wearing it for fun and posting to increase activity points, because I don't see any reason why they'd continue making more than 20 1-2 liner posts every day.
It seems the signature has a referral link. perhaps he is trying to get some referral from the signature. He knows what he wants LOL.
I see two reasons now.
[1.] Referral spamming
[2.] Increasing number of posts.


Title: Re: Shouldn't there be a rule to prevent burst-posting or spam such as this?
Post by: Ambatman on September 08, 2024, 08:46:16 PM
Usually users tend to do like this because they have paying campaign. Report it to the campaign manager so the user will get removed and get nothing, which i think he is really in a campaign or just wearing it.

That's not an active campaign signature; he's just wearing it for fun and posting to increase activity points, because I don't see any reason why they'd continue making more than 20 1-2 liner posts every day.
exactly , one can tell from their post history that they don't really care much about any campaign but just wearing it for fun or because of this.
Hi guys. Saw you on AskGamblers Awards and decided to join the discussion. Thanks for the nice voting bonuses.
And as I see, you listened to the advice of the experienced gamblers about your representation here. This is a good indicator for a new casino. To me it means that you care about the users and your reputation.
I alredy tryed your casino before. What can I say? Colorful design, lots of slots and providers, will try again for sure.
Wish you luck with nomination!
maybe they think they are helping the casino since they relatively new
But not aware that making such quality post is frowned upon
If they do use any form of notifier they should be aware of the thread and maybe see reason to work on their approach.


[2.] Increasing number of posts.
is there any benefit in increasing Post count?


Title: Re: Shouldn't there be a rule to prevent burst-posting or spam such as this?
Post by: robelneo on September 08, 2024, 08:55:09 PM
That's not an active campaign signature; he's just wearing it for fun and posting to increase activity points, because I don't see any reason why they'd continue making more than 20 1-2 liner posts every day.
It seems the signature has a referral link. perhaps he is trying to get some referral from the signature. He knows what he wants LOL.
I see two reasons now.
[1.] Referral spamming
[2.] Increasing number of posts.

Its better that he open an interesting thread or thread full of good information if he wants to maximize his signature with his referral link on it, I thought he was on Royse777 campaign because its hard to get on Royse777 campaign with this kind of posting behavior.

He has a tag as a
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Chatbot text spammer
and he is bringing it on his posts now, its up to moderators to decide on this behavior.


Title: Re: Shouldn't there be a rule to prevent burst-posting or spam such as this?
Post by: EarnOnVictor on September 08, 2024, 09:04:44 PM
This case is difficult to treat if one would be fair because I've read many of his posts in the past and my conclusion is that he is a good poster. But the issue with him is that he is representing a certain casino/sportsbook (WEISS) and seems like he is a lone campaigner for it, perhaps the owner or just a rep.

This might have caused his frequent and short posts for it to be noticed. For me, his offence is minimal, I guess he should be warned (at most), he ought to know better than this.


Title: Re: Shouldn't there be a rule to prevent burst-posting or spam such as this?
Post by: Smartvirus on September 08, 2024, 11:12:41 PM
There is a rule about spamming,
When it gets obvious, you get a warnings in the form of temp bans and after a series of temp bans, you can get a permanent ban.

Mind you, a lot was sniped from this quote.
Due to the unacceptable level of spam and low-quality posts

Staff do not want to hand out bans for unconstructive posts but if we feel that you as a user are continually making very poor or unsubstantial posts due to your paid signature the following bans will be issued:

First offence: 7 days
Second offence: 14 days
Third offence: 30 days
Fourth: Permanent ban

Your first ban is your first warning. If you have to be banned for a fourth time it is permanent and you will no longer be allowed to participate on the forum under any accounts. Note: If you are banned on one account then you are not allowed to post under any accounts you own for the duration of your ban. The only exception to this rule is Meta where you can discuss the circumstances of your ban if you wish to do so but anywhere outside of that sub will be considered ban evasion and will get your ban doubled, but it is generally best to just patiently wait out your ban and improve your posts on return and hopefully no further bans will be needed.

These days, most of these accounts gets nuked. I reported an account with some YouTube link promotion posts in almost all the users comments and threads a couple of months ago and moderators so graciously nuked the account.

As much as reports might be the way, be rest assured that, they do get what is deserved as at when the time is due.

The user in OP is definitely paying no attention to what is been posted. How do you go through the posts in just 2minutes and you make your comments within the same time frame as well!


Title: Re: Shouldn't there be a rule to prevent burst-posting or spam such as this?
Post by: nakamura12 on September 08, 2024, 11:55:29 PM
Just keep reporting the posts and explain in details while reporting it. All his spam posts would be deleted and he may likely get temporary ban.
As a forum member then this is what I will also have to do in order to help the mods to clean up the spam posts since there's nothing else we can do but to report the post. I don't know if op is aware about the rules about forum members spamming in the forum because as far as I am concern is that op asked about this guy's spamming in the forum and ask for prevention although I really appreciate op's intention from the post and reason.


Title: Re: Shouldn't there be a rule to prevent burst-posting or spam such as this?
Post by: DYING_S0UL on September 09, 2024, 01:58:20 AM
As far as I'm aware of there is no specific rules for post bursting. A user can come and go, post as much as he wants. But if you think, he is spamming the forum, then just report it to the moderators. I took a look at his post history. It seems like most of his posts are in Gambling and altcoin section with same kind of posting pattern. You can't really do anything about that, its up to the mod. If you take a closer look, you'll see those sections are usually filled with spams, post bursting, pyramid quote and many kind of unwanted things. I don't see anything good with this guy, he already has 51 posts deleted by the mods and he has only 3 merits meaning he has done nothing meaningful to contribute for this forum. With 1600+ posts, if he were good enough, he would have ranked up easily.

Long story short, just report to moderator and move on...

https://www.talkimg.com/images/2024/09/09/BGij3.jpeg


Title: Re: Shouldn't there be a rule to prevent burst-posting or spam such as this?
Post by: Alpha Marine on September 09, 2024, 05:58:32 AM
Usually users tend to do like this because they have paying campaign. Report it to the campaign manager so the user will get removed and get nothing, which i think he is really in a campaign or just wearing it.

He's not in any campaign. The campaign signature he's wearing only accepts participants from senior member rank and above. The campaign also demands that each post be at least 150 characters; most of his posts are not even up to a hundred characters. He's been in the forum long enough to understand how it works. It's either he wants to get into a campaign and doesn't understand it, or he's simply a spammer.

As for forum rules, there's no rules for "burst-posting", unless the posts are considered and reported as spam. But if the posts are somewhat good, then there's no issue at all.

There's no way a person can make a reasonable post every 2-3 minutes. Anybody who creates multiple posts with a three-minute interval between them is a spammer, because you can you can read a post and a few comments and write your own post in under three minutes. The account should be reported as a spammer.


Title: Re: Shouldn't there be a rule to prevent burst-posting or spam such as this?
Post by: Majestic-milf on September 09, 2024, 06:12:44 AM
 It's easy to be that fast if what he's dropping are one liner posts but if he is looking to catch the eyes of the campaign owners, I feel more effort should be added and less of the post bursting because that is something most campaign managers actually frown over; post bursting.
 Again, it's not an issue if you are quick to drop your posts but often times it's regarded as rubbish and meaningless. No need to be in a hurry to complete your post count when the CM probably gave you ample time to finish up.


Title: Re: Shouldn't there be a rule to prevent burst-posting or spam such as this?
Post by: LoyceV on September 09, 2024, 08:03:39 AM
Just keep reporting the posts and explain in details while reporting it. All his spam posts would be deleted and he may likely get temporary ban.
I used to do that, until I gave up. Modlog (https://bitcointalk.org/modlog.php) shows 31 deleted posts for userID 3618422, and that's just in the last week. He's been on top of most posts in the past 7 days (https://loyce.club/active/7d.html) for a while now, he popped up 21 times (https://loyce.club/badposts/spam.html) in my automated keyword spam search and he's accused of using chatbot plagiarism (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5456516.msg63940228#msg63940228). He's on my ignore list.
Wasting more time on reporting his posts is a tremendous waste of time if it doesn't result in a permanent ban. Which is what he should have received a long time ago.


Title: Re: Shouldn't there be a rule to prevent burst-posting or spam such as this?
Post by: Lucius on September 09, 2024, 09:23:24 AM
Just keep reporting the posts and explain in details while reporting it. All his spam posts would be deleted and he may likely get temporary ban.
I used to do that, until I gave up.
~snip~


I had several successful reports regarding this user, but my last 3 reports from ten days ago are still unhandled. Obviously, there are different criteria among mods, because the only message that these spammers understand is as many deleted posts as possible, followed by a temporary ban.

If that doesn't make them understand, there is only one more option, but a permanent ban due to spam is something that is hard to expect.

https://www.talkimg.com/images/2024/09/09/BmGaT.png


Title: Re: Shouldn't there be a rule to prevent burst-posting or spam such as this?
Post by: lovesmayfamilis on September 09, 2024, 10:02:59 AM
If posts are spam, let's report them and the spammer will come to a ban soon.

A little bit beyond this case, you can see a user makes a series of post but if these posts are good in quality, it's not a spammer and no issue at all. Assume he composes these posts and when are ready, he releases it in a series. This style is not common but I would like to give the example to show that quality is key of deciding a post is spam or not spam, should be deleted or kept and a poster should be banned or not.

This is exactly what I do regularly. I can tell this guy is a regular forum user, and his one-line responses don't always qualify as spam, but he sees his posts being deleted regularly and doesn't even question why. He didn't post anything for one day, and I had hoped that the moderators had cooled his ardor for such posting, but seeing today's thread, I know this is not the end :-[.

https://www.talkimg.com/images/2024/09/09/Bmvq5.png


Title: Re: Shouldn't there be a rule to prevent burst-posting or spam such as this?
Post by: Alone055 on September 09, 2024, 10:40:26 AM
[2.] Increasing number of posts.

I don't see any benefit for him in increasing the post count because he isn't making quality posts and earning merits. In that case, one would think he is trying to rank up, but that isn't even the case with him.

As much as reports might be the way, be rest assured that, they do get what is deserved as at when the time is due.

Hoping for that, time should have been due already by now considering he has been doing this for some time now.

No need to be in a hurry to complete your post count when the CM probably gave you ample time to finish up.

His motive isn't to get the attention of CMs because his rank doesn't qualify him to join a campaign.

He's on my ignore list.
Wasting more time on reporting his posts is a tremendous waste of time if it doesn't result in a permanent ban. Which is what he should have received a long time ago.

Considering the amount of posts he makes, it's true that manually reporting every post will only waste our time. Reporting a few of his posts and then putting him on the ignore list is probably the best way to go with.


Title: Re: Shouldn't there be a rule to prevent burst-posting or spam such as this?
Post by: SquirrelJulietGarden on September 09, 2024, 10:58:52 AM
Considering the amount of posts he makes, it's true that manually reporting every post will only waste our time. Reporting a few of his posts and then putting him on the ignore list is probably the best way to go with.
But if you don't report his posts, his account will not be banned. If you want him to be banned, keep reporting and you can visit his post history page like once a week, to report all his spam post. It can take you some minutes to do it each week if you feel that account is very bad for the forum.

I had several successful reports regarding this user, but my last 3 reports from ten days ago are still unhandled. Obviously, there are different criteria among mods, because the only message that these spammers understand is as many deleted posts as possible, followed by a temporary ban.
Many reports, many deleted posts contribute a first temporary ban. Many temporary bans cause a permanent ban. It's the flow of spammer to Archive bin of forum.

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If that doesn't make them understand, there is only one more option, but a permanent ban due to spam is something that is hard to expect.
The rule is only 3 temporary bans, and a fourth one is a permanent ban but if a first temporary ban need like 100 or 200 spam posts to be executed, a permanent ban with spam reasons, maybe will need up to 400, 800 or 1000 spam posts, that is unbelievable. I agree, it's hard to expect a permanent ban on a spammer.


Title: Re: Shouldn't there be a rule to prevent burst-posting or spam such as this?
Post by: AVE5 on September 09, 2024, 11:11:49 AM
There're already penalties for spamming or in anyway forum users tends to break the forum policies.
So applying if there could be a law guiding that fact to prevent it from ongoing hasn't been a new development in the forum because I can remember that spamming or related going against the forum rules are banning, suspension and even reputational effects.
Just as other users has suggested on reporting the users posts, I'd also call on his mentioned to the board maybe sanction him with warning to refrain from the acts.
I actually made some research if he's doing it to meet up his campaign payment tasks but don't find him in any. So then I wonder what else could make me bursting his posting counts.


Title: Re: Shouldn't there be a rule to prevent burst-posting or spam such as this?
Post by: mirakal on September 09, 2024, 12:25:08 PM
Usually users tend to do like this because they have paying campaign. Report it to the campaign manager so the user will get removed and get nothing, which i think he is really in a campaign or just wearing it.

As for forum rules, there's no rules for "burst-posting", unless the posts are considered and reported as spam. But if the posts are somewhat good, then there's no issue at all.
I certainly agree. Report to the campaign manager instead so that he will be automatically warned and if there’s no improvement after that, then the campaign manager will be responsible enough to remove the poster or ban his account in all of his campaigns.

However, with regards to spamming, I have observed a lot of members are still doing this, but because their posts are also having a quality content, then they’re still in the forum. But still, posting with just a two-three minute interval should be corrected also, since that could still end up spamming in the forum.


Title: Re: Shouldn't there be a rule to prevent burst-posting or spam such as this?
Post by: LoyceV on September 09, 2024, 12:54:32 PM
But if you don't report his posts, his account will not be banned. If you want him to be banned, keep reporting
If Mods would be less forgiving for spammers, none of this would be necessary. So maybe it's necessary for spam to get worse before Mods start banning them again.

This comes to mind:
moderators are becoming lenient in moderation, number of banned users reduce.
Just a thought: do Mods earn more from 1 banned account, or from 40 deleted posts?


Title: Re: Shouldn't there be a rule to prevent burst-posting or spam such as this?
Post by: DYING_S0UL on September 09, 2024, 02:01:43 PM
But if you don't report his posts, his account will not be banned. If you want him to be banned, keep reporting
If Mods would be less forgiving for spammers, none of this would be necessary. So maybe it's necessary for spam to get worse before Mods start banning them again.
What's the point of reporting if the moderators don't take proper action? I understand mods are only human, and they can't clean everything all by themselves! Anyway, as far as I'm aware of, some moderators can only move or delete posts but cannot ban a person (not sure though), maybe that could be a reason for not perma or temp ban? At altcointalks, users are categorized into certain groups with specific name tags. Like bounty cheater, warning, spammer, translator, and teleported, I wonder if such a feature would be effective to reduce spam and certain negative things at Bitcointalks. Not every person checks the feedback left by others, but when the tags are showing directly beside the profile, many would try to avoid interacting with that person!

Quick question: What is the requirement to get the report handled page? I mean, I don't remember exactly, but we have to have a minimum number good reports to be able to enable that thingy! I just don't remember :-X


Title: Re: Shouldn't there be a rule to prevent burst-posting or spam such as this?
Post by: adultcrypto on September 09, 2024, 02:03:23 PM
The most I know about post bursting is in signature campaigns where managers frown at that and often punish any individual who is fond of it with things like no payment or removal from the campaign. However, I do not think there is any rule that forbids that and even if there is, there is no punishment spelt out unless such posts are continuously reported to the mods, perhaps they can take action against such users. Although I have seen some decent post bursting by some reputable member of the forum, the intention of which is to draw attention to a topic that was discussed in previous years that deserve attention or relevant to today. I don't know if such is right or simply creating new topic and referencing the old thread would have been better.


Title: Re: Shouldn't there be a rule to prevent burst-posting or spam such as this?
Post by: Igebotz on September 09, 2024, 03:09:16 PM
If Mods would be less forgiving for spammers, none of this would be necessary. So maybe it's necessary for spam to get worse before Mods start banning them again.

The "report to moderator" button is there for a reason, moderators can't see through thousands of profiles alone, with the support of the community everything becomes more easy.

Some spam profiles must have slipped past the rader, but one thing is certain: no spam profiles are ignored intentionally.


Title: Re: Shouldn't there be a rule to prevent burst-posting or spam such as this?
Post by: Mugtaiya on September 09, 2024, 04:11:31 PM
Exact same thing is currently happening on games and rounds as we speak.

Go look to see posts done within 1 minute a part from a legendary member spamming their promotional garbage.

Why are they even allowed to do this on the forum again?
They are above the forum rules from one member to another?


Title: Re: Shouldn't there be a rule to prevent burst-posting or spam such as this?
Post by: LoyceV on September 09, 2024, 04:13:20 PM
They are above the forum rules from one member to another?
No. If anyone breaks forum rules, report the post.


Title: Re: Shouldn't there be a rule to prevent burst-posting or spam such as this?
Post by: Mugtaiya on September 09, 2024, 04:52:57 PM
They are above the forum rules from one member to another?
No. If anyone breaks forum rules, report the post.
You can see for yourself and evaluate their conduct:
https://talkimg.com/images/2024/09/09/BPceZ.png

Reporting goes directly to the one who is a campaigner moderating those reports so nothing will be done.
Only if high ranking members who see this rule on the forum is being broken repeatedly for weeks now report this campaign manager would any actions ensue.


Title: Re: Shouldn't there be a rule to prevent burst-posting or spam such as this?
Post by: Richbased on September 09, 2024, 04:59:47 PM
Post bursting have been of major concern in the forum and I observed that most of the people that does post bursting are those with high numbers of post count per week in their campaign and newbies too and this post bursting is mostly noticed during the ending days of a campaign as some users does so in order to meet up signature post quota to get paid however, I suggest there should be a restriction that should be placed such that if a user makes a post, they will not be allowed to make another post until like 10 minutes or more, by so doing post bursting will reduce drastically but as for spamming, once a spammer is always a spammer so just like others suggested, report to moderator is your friend.


Title: Re: Shouldn't there be a rule to prevent burst-posting or spam such as this?
Post by: LoyceV on September 09, 2024, 05:02:32 PM
Reporting goes directly to the one who is a campaigner moderating those reports so nothing will be done.
Reports go to the board's moderators, in this (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?board=71.0) case: Cyrus and hilariousandco. Have you tried it?


Title: Re: Shouldn't there be a rule to prevent burst-posting or spam such as this?
Post by: Mugtaiya on September 09, 2024, 05:12:09 PM
Reporting goes directly to the one who is a campaigner moderating those reports so nothing will be done.
Reports go to the board's moderators, in this (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?board=71.0) case: Cyrus and hilariousandco. Have you tried it?
That is who exactly who is rejecting these reports towards this user due to the fact theyre in the campaign they manage.
So any action done will affect their monetary value of dealing out any legitimate action towards them.
Just keep reporting the posts and explain in details while reporting it. All his spam posts would be deleted and he may likely get temporary ban.
I used to do that, until I gave up. Modlog (https://bitcointalk.org/modlog.php) shows 31 deleted posts for userID 3618422, and that's just in the last week. He's been on top of most posts in the past 7 days (https://loyce.club/active/7d.html) for a while now, he popped up 21 times (https://loyce.club/badposts/spam.html) in my automated keyword spam search and he's accused of using chatbot plagiarism (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5456516.msg63940228#msg63940228). He's on my ignore list.
Wasting more time on reporting his posts is a tremendous waste of time if it doesn't result in a permanent ban. Which is what he should have received a long time ago.
So why are they allowed to continue on with these actions on the forum? Knowing they will not be discipled at all because the one moderating the topics will not do a thing to them.
It is a conflict of interest to their bitcoin wallet this hilariousandco I am referring too.


Title: Re: Shouldn't there be a rule to prevent burst-posting or spam such as this?
Post by: LoyceV on September 09, 2024, 05:26:22 PM
That is who exactly who is rejecting these reports towards this user due to the fact theyre in the campaign they manage.
So any action done will affect their monetary value of dealing out any legitimate action towards them.
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It is a conflict of interest to their bitcoin wallet this hilariousandco I am referring too.
If you think Mods delete too much (or not enough), you should open a topic in Meta. From what I've seen, theymos takes this serious. But you'll need to have a solid case.


Title: Re: Shouldn't there be a rule to prevent burst-posting or spam such as this?
Post by: Asuspawer09 on September 09, 2024, 05:28:32 PM
That is a literal definition of a spammer, I guess we could easily just report it and surely we can see that the post history of his account is already evident on spamming, I mean 2 2-minute intervals are for me is not acceptable, he is probably using some kind of bot or AI with this interval but his post seems legit, using a short liner reply. Seems like he wants to increase his post count or something like that, but for sure if the moderator sees this spam it might be a reason for a ban but let's leave it to the mods.


Title: Re: Shouldn't there be a rule to prevent burst-posting or spam such as this?
Post by: Natalim on September 09, 2024, 06:25:00 PM
This might not be something that directly harms the forum or its well-being, but it's painful to watch.
This is behavior is very common among newbies who have refused or rather are too lazy to do their homework on the forum. They probably think that this forum is like other forums where the behavior is accepted. In my estimation, I'll ignore him however if it bothers you so much, just report his posts and the.mods would lock the topics if necessary.
This is very common to those who are only posting for their own convenience, not thinking what would be the effect on it on the forum. This is obviously a proof of laziness as he fails to spread out more his posts when we all know its highly possible if we can manage our time properly. With this, it can be a lesson for him to be reported to the mods so that he will come also realizing his lapses in the forum.


Title: Re: Shouldn't there be a rule to prevent burst-posting or spam such as this?
Post by: Doan9269 on September 09, 2024, 06:32:26 PM
The best we could do is to report such spammers to the moderators for doing such, and if we see such a thing persist, then we can ignore them or tag as well if needs be, this kind of spam is made obvious and i don't think it could be condoled by any standard or quality posting ethics, users like this are either scammers or trollers trying to invade threads with bursting posts, it is important that one knows how to spread the post across the boards as well as making a quality content on them.

For further information, some people may need to be reminded of this.

posting etiquettes
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5184741.0#post_altgiveaway


Title: Re: Shouldn't there be a rule to prevent burst-posting or spam such as this?
Post by: Alone055 on September 09, 2024, 06:55:56 PM
Exact same thing is currently happening on games and rounds as we speak.

Go look to see posts done within 1 minute a part from a legendary member spamming their promotional garbage.

Why are they even allowed to do this on the forum again?
They are above the forum rules from one member to another?

Did you check his posts before saying this? He is managing giveaways and contests on that board, and the problem we are discussing here is not just about making a lot of posts, it's about making a lot of low-quality and useless posts. The user you are referring to isn't posting garbage because he is making posts about the contests and giveaways the casino is conducting. You can see reputable members and even staff members participating in those contests because there is nothing wrong with that, it's a normal thing.

If you find a legendary member making a bunch of useless posts, even if it has positive trust, you can report them to moderator and no one would say you are wrong, but in this case, you are not pointing fingers at the right direction.  :)

This thread and this discussion wouldn't exist in the first place if the user in question in OP was making constructive posts.


Title: Re: Shouldn't there be a rule to prevent burst-posting or spam such as this?
Post by: _BlackStar on September 10, 2024, 04:15:46 AM
This thread and this discussion wouldn't exist in the first place if the user in question in OP was making constructive posts.
On 2024-09-08 @betswift has made 20 posts. It only took her 1 hour and 30 minutes. She started posting at 2024-09-08 14:04:21 UTC and stopped at 2024-09-08 15:34:10 UTC after make 20 posts. There has been no change in her behavior since this thread was created - but tell me, how many of her posts have you reported that were then removed by moderators?

I can't find any posts made on 2024-09-08 removed by moderators - have you reported them?
There should be some posts that could be removed for low quality with that kind of style - but I doubt anyone has reported them.


Title: Re: Shouldn't there be a rule to prevent burst-posting or spam such as this?
Post by: lovesmayfamilis on September 10, 2024, 07:43:19 AM
In the same way, let's not be disingenuous in the fact that most users use the forum not only for their educational purposes. Check the answers of everyone who answered on this topic (for example). Everyone wears a signature, and what it means, I think everyone can guess.
This person, if you think in the usual way, how social networks are used now, answers with one-line posts, just reading the forum. Of course, we can doubt that in two minutes, he assimilates so much information that he manages to answer often and quickly. Have you heard of clip thinking? This is because after reading short texts, the information evaporates after fifteen minutes. And from this, we see daily posting, such a large amount. The man confused the forum with social networks.
And yes, you can think that his signature can also help traffic to the casino that he seems to advertise.



This thread and this discussion wouldn't exist in the first place if the user in question in OP was making constructive posts.

I won't be unique in asking if you sent reports to moderators, and how many posts did you get approval for before creating the topic?
I just always support the idea of personal communication with moderators. They are often very responsive, and only after that may the question of creating a public topic arise.


Title: Re: Shouldn't there be a rule to prevent burst-posting or spam such as this?
Post by: Lucius on September 10, 2024, 10:29:49 AM
I had several successful reports regarding this user, but my last 3 reports from ten days ago are still unhandled. Obviously, there are different criteria among mods, because the only message that these spammers understand is as many deleted posts as possible, followed by a temporary ban.
Many reports, many deleted posts contribute a first temporary ban. Many temporary bans cause a permanent ban. It's the flow of spammer to Archive bin of forum.

If the intention of a forum user is more than clear, then it is certainly demotivating that it takes several hundreds of reports to completely stop what he is doing. I think that's why there are fewer and fewer reports, and the report for the past period says that there were just over 1200 reports, which is a new lowest record since reports have been published publicly. One temporary ban should be enough of a warning for anyone who wants to understand that it is a warning for something bad they did on the forum.


Title: Re: Shouldn't there be a rule to prevent burst-posting or spam such as this?
Post by: Alone055 on September 10, 2024, 10:30:36 AM
There should be some posts that could be removed for low quality with that kind of style - but I doubt anyone has reported them.

I won't be unique in asking if you sent reports to moderators, and how many posts did you get approval for before creating the topic?
I just always support the idea of personal communication with moderators. They are often very responsive, and only after that may the question of creating a public topic arise.

I did report some of his posts, but that isn't stopping him from doing what he does. If you look at his post history (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=3618422;sa=showPosts), you will see that he keeps doing the same thing repeatedly.


Title: Re: Shouldn't there be a rule to prevent burst-posting or spam such as this?
Post by: Miles2006 on September 10, 2024, 12:36:22 PM
Post bursting have been of major concern in the forum and I observed that most of the people that does post bursting are those with high numbers of post count per week in their campaign and newbies too and this post bursting is mostly noticed during the ending days of a campaign as some users does so in order to meet up signature post quota to get paid however, I suggest there should be a restriction that should be placed such that if a user makes a post, they will not be allowed to make another post until like 10 minutes or more, by so doing post bursting will reduce drastically but as for spamming, once a spammer is always a spammer so just like others suggested, report to moderator is your friend.
I don’t think the time limit is necessary honestly, we all see post in a different way and we reply with our different view for example, a user can read the op and still go ahead reading comments that’s normal meanwhile some threads don’t deserve much attention and it’s not a must to reply, like sometimes I get busy and I intend to make post after then at the moment. If I should follow this pattern I observed I make post after getting full detailed of what the op is referring to, if the whole thought is coming from campaign post count I kinda disagree because most users are not in a sig campaign.


Title: Re: Shouldn't there be a rule to prevent burst-posting or spam such as this?
Post by: Russlenat on September 10, 2024, 02:36:56 PM
Post bursting have been of major concern in the forum and I observed that most of the people that does post bursting are those with high numbers of post count per week in their campaign and newbies too and this post bursting is mostly noticed during the ending days of a campaign as some users does so in order to meet up signature post quota to get paid however, I suggest there should be a restriction that should be placed such that if a user makes a post, they will not be allowed to make another post until like 10 minutes or more, by so doing post bursting will reduce drastically but as for spamming, once a spammer is always a spammer so just like others suggested, report to moderator is your friend.
I don’t think the time limit is necessary honestly, we all see post in a different way and we reply with our different view for example, a user can read the op and still go ahead reading comments that’s normal meanwhile some threads don’t deserve much attention and it’s not a must to reply, like sometimes I get busy and I intend to make post after then at the moment. If I should follow this pattern I observed I make post after getting full detailed of what the op is referring to, if the whole thought is coming from campaign post count I kinda disagree because most users are not in a sig campaign.
I suspect that if the posts are well-written, they might have been prepared ahead of time, saved in a notepad, and just posted at the designated time. But if it's burst-posting with no quality, that can be reported and considered spam. Most of the time, those who burst-post are part of a signature campaign trying to meet a quota or have no time, so they rush the posts. It might be a good idea to report it to the campaign manager for a warning or even removal to teach them a lesson. What OP did is good because it shows concern for the quality of the forum. When we post, it should still resemble human behavior, with 1 to 2 minutes intervals it's no longer human behavior, but probably AI.


Title: Re: Shouldn't there be a rule to prevent burst-posting or spam such as this?
Post by: Alone055 on September 10, 2024, 07:07:26 PM
I don’t think the time limit is necessary honestly, we all see post in a different way and we reply with our different view for example, a user can read the op and still go ahead reading comments that’s normal meanwhile some threads don’t deserve much attention and it’s not a must to reply, like sometimes I get busy and I intend to make post after then at the moment. If I should follow this pattern I observed I make post after getting full detailed of what the op is referring to, if the whole thought is coming from campaign post count I kinda disagree because most users are not in a sig campaign.

Time or the limit of the posts isn't the concern here. If a user can generate quality posts every 5 minutes, his posts are good enough and can pass a quality check, no one would have a problem even if they are making a lot of posts every day because they are at least contributing something in every discussion. However, suppose someone is making generic two-line posts with no substantial meaning or quality within an average interval of 2 to 3 minutes. In that case, that starts to become unbearable at one point.

When we post, it should still resemble human behavior, with 1 to 2 minutes intervals it's no longer human behavior, but probably AI.

You are right that it's an abnormal posting behavior, but he isn't using an AI model or a bot to generate and make those posts because an AI would have a more formal writing style. He is writing those posts himself, the purpose behind him doing all this is still unknown though.  :)


Title: Re: Shouldn't there be a rule to prevent burst-posting or spam such as this?
Post by: The Cryptovator on September 10, 2024, 07:49:14 PM
The rules about spam exist, we just need to report it to the moderator, and they will handle it. If spam includes brust posting, then write details in comments during report, so it will be easier for moderators to handle them. There are no specific rules for brust posting, and it should count as spam. Usually campaign managers handle brust posting. So besides reporting to moderators, if you notice any campaign participants doing this kind of post, don't forget to report the campaign manager as well. So they will take appropriate action against spammers. 


Title: Re: Shouldn't there be a rule to prevent burst-posting or spam such as this?
Post by: Igebotz on September 10, 2024, 09:13:05 PM
If the intention of a forum user is more than clear, then it is certainly demotivating that it takes several hundreds of reports to completely stop what he is doing. I think that's why there are fewer and fewer reports, and the report for the past period says that there were just over 1200 reports, which is a new lowest record since reports have been published publicly. One temporary ban should be enough of a warning for anyone who wants to understand that it is a warning for something bad they did on the forum.

Low spam report is Net positive for the forum isn't it? We may be moving to a free-spam Forum. I also had one of the lowest spam report in my section last month.


Title: Re: Shouldn't there be a rule to prevent burst-posting or spam such as this?
Post by: Russlenat on September 11, 2024, 12:27:51 AM
When we post, it should still resemble human behavior, with 1 to 2 minutes intervals it's no longer human behavior, but probably AI.

You are right that it's an abnormal posting behavior, but he isn't using an AI model or a bot to generate and make those posts because an AI would have a more formal writing style. He is writing those posts himself, the purpose behind him doing all this is still unknown though.  :)

I get your point. Even if the posts aren't generated by AI, others might assume that because of how fast they are posted. If you're a genuine member who wants to contribute, there's no need to rush posts, even if they're well thought out. Ideally, you'd read the whole thread to avoid repeating what has already been said, which could lead to spam. Signature campaign managers usually include "no post bursting" in their rules because it doesn't look good. If you're part of a campaign, you should take the time to read, post thoughtfully, and stay on the forum long enough to make proper contributions.


Title: Re: Shouldn't there be a rule to prevent burst-posting or spam such as this?
Post by: Lucius on September 11, 2024, 10:07:30 AM
Low spam report is Net positive for the forum isn't it? We may be moving to a free-spam Forum. I also had one of the lowest spam report in my section last month.

Unfortunately, there is as much spam as you want today, just look at what is happening in the Gambling board - according to my estimation, at least 25-30% of all posts in that board are pure spam. Members are less and less motivated to report anything, because it is a "job" that is on a voluntary basis, and there are very few who want to do something without compensation.


Title: Re: Shouldn't there be a rule to prevent burst-posting or spam such as this?
Post by: Igebotz on September 11, 2024, 12:55:47 PM
Low spam report is Net positive for the forum isn't it? We may be moving to a free-spam Forum. I also had one of the lowest spam report in my section last month.

Unfortunately, there is as much spam as you want today, just look at what is happening in the Gambling board - according to my estimation, at least 25-30% of all posts in that board are pure spam. Members are less and less motivated to report anything, because it is a "job" that is on a voluntary basis, and there are very few who want to do something without compensation.

Moderation is also a "job" that is on a voluntary basis, the only difference is that we have a custom title and dedicated more time to it.  ;)

Back to your statistics; there are reportedly high spam on the gambling board no doubt but going by your percentage 25-30%/100% is below average which means we have way more quality posts on the gambling board overall. If we're being honest, the rate of spam on the gambling board has dropped significantly this year, and the mods are more active now than before.


Title: Re: Shouldn't there be a rule to prevent burst-posting or spam such as this?
Post by: Lucius on September 11, 2024, 01:54:03 PM
Moderation is also a "job" that is on a voluntary basis, the only difference is that we have a custom title and dedicated more time to it.  ;)

Of course it's voluntary, but moderators are chosen to do a specific job, and those who don't do it over time probably lose their moderator status, right? In addition, moderators are paid (at least they were before) for what they do, and that is one type of motivation - while ordinary members who post reports generally have practically no motivation (from the forum), not even those badges that have been written about for years.

Back to your statistics; there are reportedly high spam on the gambling board no doubt but going by your percentage 25-30%/100% is below average which means we have way more quality posts on the gambling board overall. If we're being honest, the rate of spam on the gambling board has dropped significantly this year, and the mods are more active now than before.

Honestly, I was too modest with that percentage, I think it's more like 50%, but that's still a matter of personal assessment. Anyway, I think that there is a lot of spam, but that there are too few people who still care about it.


Title: Re: Shouldn't there be a rule to prevent burst-posting or spam such as this?
Post by: lovesmayfamilis on September 11, 2024, 03:01:30 PM

I did report some of his posts, but that isn't stopping him from doing what he does. If you look at his post history (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=3618422;sa=showPosts), you will see that he keeps doing the same thing repeatedly.

It seems that your topic and activity of reports against this user are starting to affect him a little ;D. According to statistics, today he created seven posts. But five have already been deleted by moderators.
https://www.talkimg.com/images/2024/09/11/BY1BD.png

The conclusion is that someone will win; the only question is, who will have enough patience?


I suspect that if the posts are well-written, they might have been prepared ahead of time, saved in a notepad, and just posted at the designated time.

You are right, and I remember the one who wrote at a speed of two minutes, participating in the company signature. But how was he convinced that the posts were created in advance, although all self-respecting managers strictly forbid such behavior  8)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5394559.msg64156343#msg64156343


Title: Re: Shouldn't there be a rule to prevent burst-posting or spam such as this?
Post by: Alone055 on September 11, 2024, 09:17:52 PM
Honestly, I was too modest with that percentage, I think it's more like 50%, but that's still a matter of personal assessment. Anyway, I think that there is a lot of spam, but that there are too few people who still care about it.

Gambling discussion board does get a lot of generic and repeated posts, so I think you are not wrong for saying that section has a 50% ratio of spam posts. However, that board is one of the most crowded boards in the forum. The reason why people care less about it is probably because the board is good for advertisement and promotional purposes. We know most of the companies and services that choose this forum for advertisement either through signature campaigns or other means are casino platforms, and they wouldn't like it if the traffic from that board is cut. Regardless, the board needs to be moderated more strictly to make it cleaner.

It seems that your topic and activity of reports against this user are starting to affect him a little ;D. According to statistics, today he created seven posts. But five have already been deleted by moderators.

That's a good sign. I'm sure my topic made some other users report his posts as well and we are seeing positive results, at least for now.

The conclusion is that someone will win; the only question is, who will have enough patience?

Well, I'm pretty sure he won't stop until he gets a temp or permanent ban, but we can do our best to push him back as much as possible.


Title: Re: Shouldn't there be a rule to prevent burst-posting or spam such as this?
Post by: Questat on September 11, 2024, 09:34:18 PM
I had several successful reports regarding this user, but my last 3 reports from ten days ago are still unhandled. Obviously, there are different criteria among mods, because the only message that these spammers understand is as many deleted posts as possible, followed by a temporary ban.
Many reports, many deleted posts contribute a first temporary ban. Many temporary bans cause a permanent ban. It's the flow of spammer to Archive bin of forum.

If the intention of a forum user is more than clear, then it is certainly demotivating that it takes several hundreds of reports to completely stop what he is doing. I think that's why there are fewer and fewer reports, and the report for the past period says that there were just over 1200 reports, which is a new lowest record since reports have been published publicly. One temporary ban should be enough of a warning for anyone who wants to understand that it is a warning for something bad they did on the forum.
If one gets temporarily banned, that means he should change his current wrong doings in the forum. Spamming is always a negative act, but if you continue doing it even if it means putting your account into permanent banning, that only shows you don't deserve a spot in the forum. This forum is not just posting quality and constructive contents, it's more on following what it's in the rules and not breaking it, although spamming or burst posting is not well detailed there.


Title: Re: Shouldn't there be a rule to prevent burst-posting or spam such as this?
Post by: Wiwo on September 11, 2024, 10:41:01 PM
This case is difficult to treat if one would be fair because I've read many of his posts in the past and my conclusion is that he is a good poster. But the issue with him is that he is representing a certain casino/sportsbook (WEISS) and seems like he is a lone campaigner for it, perhaps the owner or just a rep.

This might have caused his frequent and short posts for it to be noticed. For me, his offence is minimal, I guess he should be warned (at most), he ought to know better than this.
Very well thought out there, I think that guy is under the payment of some sort of campaign and he is paid to flood every where in the forum with their signatures, and regardless of what the content and quality of his posts are, posting in that manner is against forum rules.

At least leaving 5-10 minutes in-between his posts shows that he put a n some effort in constructing those posts, but in this case he posts less than 5 minutes on a multiple occasions, and that is unacceptable here in the forum.


Title: Re: Shouldn't there be a rule to prevent burst-posting or spam such as this?
Post by: BitcoinGirl.Club on September 12, 2024, 07:05:52 AM
The "report to moderator" button is there for a reason, moderators can't see through thousands of profiles alone, with the support of the community everything becomes more easy.
I think forum is missing Ratimov. I can not remember the number of his reports but it was 4 figure. There were not many active reporters like him. People have good and bad characters. That man was good at the reporting things.


Title: Re: Shouldn't there be a rule to prevent burst-posting or spam such as this?
Post by: freedomgo on September 12, 2024, 07:30:37 AM
At least leaving 5-10 minutes in-between his posts shows that he put a n some effort in constructing those posts, but in this case he posts less than 5 minutes on a multiple occasions, and that is unacceptable here in the forum.

There's no set standard for post timing like 5-10 minutes or lower. It probably comes down to the mods' judgment if they need to delete posts, even if they contain valuable content, or worse, give a temp ban to teach a lesson. If you look at it, there are also users who post with a long interval, sometimes hours, but their posts lack substance. So, we should weigh which is the bigger violation in that case.


Title: Re: Shouldn't there be a rule to prevent burst-posting or spam such as this?
Post by: Wiwo on September 12, 2024, 08:19:16 AM
At least leaving 5-10 minutes in-between his posts shows that he put a n some effort in constructing those posts, but in this case he posts less than 5 minutes on a multiple occasions, and that is unacceptable here in the forum.

There's no set standard for post timing like 5-10 minutes or lower. It probably comes down to the mods' judgment if they need to delete posts, even if they contain valuable content, or worse, give a temp ban to teach a lesson. If you look at it, there are also users who post with a long interval, sometimes hours, but their posts lack substance. So, we should weigh which is the bigger violation in that case.
I agree with you on that timing does not necessitate the quality of posts, but then having a member ditching out chunk of comments within 3-5 minutes Interval clearly state the obvious truth that there is no enough timing and efforts in creating such a comment regardless of the content and semetic  load the comment Carries.

Although not everyone who takes time Interval to make posts out in efforts in fact someone may put an hour interval on his post and still make low quality posts, it all depends on the background knowledge of the member regarding to the topic of discussion, that makes up for the content of his comment.


Title: Re: Shouldn't there be a rule to prevent burst-posting or spam such as this?
Post by: freedomgo on September 12, 2024, 09:31:28 AM
At least leaving 5-10 minutes in-between his posts shows that he put a n some effort in constructing those posts, but in this case he posts less than 5 minutes on a multiple occasions, and that is unacceptable here in the forum.

There's no set standard for post timing like 5-10 minutes or lower. It probably comes down to the mods' judgment if they need to delete posts, even if they contain valuable content, or worse, give a temp ban to teach a lesson. If you look at it, there are also users who post with a long interval, sometimes hours, but their posts lack substance. So, we should weigh which is the bigger violation in that case.
I agree with you on that timing does not necessitate the quality of posts, but then having a member ditching out chunk of comments within 3-5 minutes Interval clearly state the obvious truth that there is no enough timing and efforts in creating such a comment regardless of the content and semetic  load the comment Carries.

Although not everyone who takes time Interval to make posts out in efforts in fact someone may put an hour interval on his post and still make low quality posts, it all depends on the background knowledge of the member regarding to the topic of discussion, that makes up for the content of his comment.

I guess the post should just be reported and see what the mods say. Also, there's no need to create more threads with similar content; this is enough for raising awareness. It's better to report directly. It’s hard to give an opinion if it doesn’t align with the forum rules, and since I’ve read in the replies that the content of the post is good and not low quality, it’s up to the mods to decide if the reason to delete or ban the user for bursting is valid.


Title: Re: Shouldn't there be a rule to prevent burst-posting or spam such as this?
Post by: Igebotz on September 12, 2024, 09:37:52 AM
The "report to moderator" button is there for a reason, moderators can't see through thousands of profiles alone, with the support of the community everything becomes more easy.
I think forum is missing Ratimov. I can not remember the number of his reports but it was 4 figure. There were not many active reporters like him. People have good and bad characters. That man was good at the reporting things.

99 good, 1 bad, and society will condemn you for the 1 bad while forgetting about the 99 good. Rati will be miss forever; no one can get those figures; we only have those who believe reporting is not their job now.


Title: Re: Shouldn't there be a rule to prevent burst-posting or spam such as this?
Post by: Lucius on September 12, 2024, 10:13:16 AM
I think forum is missing Ratimov. I can not remember the number of his reports but it was 4 figure. There were not many active reporters like him. People have good and bad characters. That man was good at the reporting things.

You're forgetting one very important thing, which is that today you can't report posts that are several years old, and he was doing exactly that to achieve his goals (whatever they were). In addition, complaining about someone who built his "career" on this forum through nicely packaged plagiarism is completely pointless, there were many members who did an excellent job, and who did not shove all their "achievements" in everyone's noses.


Title: Re: Shouldn't there be a rule to prevent burst-posting or spam such as this?
Post by: Alone055 on September 12, 2024, 01:27:19 PM
Very well thought out there, I think that guy is under the payment of some sort of campaign and he is paid to flood every where in the forum with their signatures, and regardless of what the content and quality of his posts are, posting in that manner is against forum rules.

The guy is not in a signature campaign or getting paid for posting. The signature he is wearing is from Weiss.bet Signature campaign (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5506048.0) managed by AB de Royse777 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=366632) and the campaign doesn't accept members below Sr. member rank. It's just that they have signatures for Full members and Members as well and he has bought Copper Membership which allows him to wear a Member rank signature.

We are not sure why he is wearing that signature, maybe he is promoting his referral link, when you hover over the link in his signature, it isn't clear whether it's a referral link or not, so I can't say anything about that.


Title: Re: Shouldn't there be a rule to prevent burst-posting or spam such as this?
Post by: Perfectbaby on September 12, 2024, 11:39:46 PM
This might not be something that directly harms the forum or its well-being, but it's painful to watch.

If there was an award for burst-posting, this guy (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=3618422) would surely be the winner in it. The guy is literally making a post every 2 to 3 minutes in any section he stumbles upon, look at the picture for reference:

https://talkimg.com/images/2024/09/08/BCPio.png

That isn't the only board or place where he did or does this, he did the same in Gambling Discussion just an hour or half an hour ago but because that section is more crowded, it went unnoticed but it can be seen from his post history (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=3618422;sa=showPosts). The guy has 1690 posts with only 182 activity points, and most of his posts are of the same nature, generic 3-line posts without much contribution to the topics in question.

I'm not against this guy or anyone in general, but I feel this isn't normal behavior and there should be a way to prevent this from happening.

P.S.: I'll lock the thread if the community thinks otherwise. Open for discussion for now.
This shows to be bot posting and I can't believe humans post without reading any text before replying. So the easiest way to stop this is to implement a kind of security system where if the user post less than 10-15 minutes he should be required to pass verification before posting to restrict either post bursting or a bot posting. I don't know if this idea has been passed here.


Title: Re: Shouldn't there be a rule to prevent burst-posting or spam such as this?
Post by: BitcoinGirl.Club on September 13, 2024, 08:38:55 AM
You're forgetting one very important thing, which is that today you can't report posts that are several years old, and he was doing exactly that to achieve his goals (whatever they were). In addition, complaining about someone who built his "career" on this forum through nicely packaged plagiarism is completely pointless, there were many members who did an excellent job, and who did not shove all their "achievements" in everyone's noses.
No no, I am not complaining brother. I was one of the many who was high against his plagiarism and became his so called enemy. I was not informed about the information of can not reporting posts from several years. We will never know his goals but indeed there were many numbers of reports from him. Another user I can remember is DarkStar_ who has a good number of report history.

We used to have a topic about report history, not sure where it is now.


Title: Re: Shouldn't there be a rule to prevent burst-posting or spam such as this?
Post by: Lucius on September 13, 2024, 09:53:01 AM
No no, I am not complaining brother. I was one of the many who was high against his plagiarism and became his so called enemy. I was not informed about the information of can not reporting posts from several years. We will never know his goals but indeed there were many numbers of reports from him.

It seemed to me that you had some kind of nostalgia for him, which I found strange considering that you were one of the few who I thought understood how he built his status on this forum. My conclusion would be that the goal of all those reports was to become a moderator, and at least then it was a paid function on the forum (probably still the case today).

As for old posts, you can still report them today, but the forum will give you the following message :

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Old post: We generally do not moderate posts this old for on-topicness, substantiveness, multi-posting, and other "cleanliness" issues

Another user I can remember is DarkStar_ who has a good number of report history.
We used to have a topic about report history, not sure where it is now.


I am not familiar with his activities regarding these things, because I know him as a manager in sig campaigns, especially the one that was one of the most famous on the forum for years.


Title: Re: Shouldn't there be a rule to prevent burst-posting or spam such as this?
Post by: JollyGood on September 13, 2024, 09:39:13 PM
The member in question (betswift (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=3618422)) seems to be posting to maximise exposure to his affiliate link displayed in his signature. I think that along with the aim of member rank is the driving factor here.

I do find it odd that he opted not to post in this thread addressing his activities. I will send him a PM inviting him to post here because it will be interesting to read anything he might have to add regarding using bots or anything else.

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Hello,

There is a thread that has been created regarding your account: Shouldn't there be a rule to prevent burst-posting or spam such as this? (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5508681.0)

If possible kindly post there as soon as possible to address the questions and comments that have been posted.

Kind Regards

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This shows to be bot posting and I can't believe humans post without reading any text before replying. So the easiest way to stop this is to implement a kind of security system where if the user post less than 10-15 minutes he should be required to pass verification before posting to restrict either post bursting or a bot posting. I don't know if this idea has been passed here.


Title: Re: Shouldn't there be a rule to prevent burst-posting or spam such as this?
Post by: Josefjix on September 13, 2024, 11:48:47 PM
This shows to be bot posting and I can't believe humans post without reading any text before replying. So the easiest way to stop this is to implement a kind of security system where if the user post less than 10-15 minutes he should be required to pass verification before posting to restrict either post bursting or a bot posting. I don't know if this idea has been passed here.

Similar system already implemented but as you rank up the posting time jail decreases. For example Newbies can only post after 30secs apart, as you rank up this posting jail time reduces.


Title: Re: Shouldn't there be a rule to prevent burst-posting or spam such as this?
Post by: Alone055 on September 14, 2024, 12:41:15 PM
This shows to be bot posting and I can't believe humans post without reading any text before replying. So the easiest way to stop this is to implement a kind of security system where if the user post less than 10-15 minutes he should be required to pass verification before posting to restrict either post bursting or a bot posting. I don't know if this idea has been passed here.

It's not a bot, it's just abnormal posting behavior from a human with a motive unknown to us. It's also not that he isn't reading anything, he reads the post that he replies to, but doesn't think much or write much in his response, he reads the post quickly, makes a quick response within 2 minutes or so, and moves to the next topic immediately and does the same again. So he isn't using a bot, most probably, but what he is doing isn't normal.

Implementing a system that would restrict every member from posting only because of a single person's behavior wouldn't be fair. Maybe there should be a privilege given to moderators for implementing such restrictions on specific users who are being reported a lot for spamming and post-bursting. A moderator should be able to put a timer on their account so that they can only post once within a specified timeframe such as 10 minutes or so.


Title: Re: Shouldn't there be a rule to prevent burst-posting or spam such as this?
Post by: BitcoinGirl.Club on September 14, 2024, 03:26:11 PM
Another user I can remember is DarkStar_ who has a good number of report history.
We used to have a topic about report history, not sure where it is now.


I am not familiar with his activities regarding these things, because I know him as a manager in sig campaigns, especially the one that was one of the most famous on the forum for years.
I think I mixed up. It was actmyname, not DarkStar_. Both seems left the forum long time ago.


Title: Re: Shouldn't there be a rule to prevent burst-posting or spam such as this?
Post by: Smartvirus on September 14, 2024, 06:26:12 PM
As much as reports might be the way, be rest assured that, they do get what is deserved as at when the time is due.

Hoping for that, time should have been due already by now considering he has been doing this for some time now.
I agree with you that the time is long over due, especially given the fact that, these users don’t care so much about the deleted posts but rather, goes ahead to make several others in there place while waiting to see what gets deleted and what stays. Getting nuked is what should be done to users within this category.

Perhaps we should have a time per number of deleted post ratio, don’t know if that makes sense but, having to report and ignore these users don’t stop them from continuing the very next minute. It just doesn’t make sense and you can tell clearly, they just don’t care and aren’t looking to change.


Title: Re: Shouldn't there be a rule to prevent burst-posting or spam such as this?
Post by: BITCOIN4X on September 14, 2024, 07:37:25 PM
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It's not a bot, it's just abnormal posting behavior from a human with a motive unknown to us. It's also not that he isn't reading anything, he reads the post that he replies to, but doesn't think much or write much in his response, he reads the post quickly, makes a quick response within 2 minutes or so, and moves to the next topic immediately and does the same again. So he isn't using a bot, most probably, but what he is doing isn't normal.
I agree, that's not normal behavior from someone who is interested in discussing in one thread or another, there should be a break for him to think more critically so that his posts are much more meaningful. But I call it a unique habit pattern regardless of the motive, it is also because the system allows users who have high activity points to reduce the waiting time between posts.

Someone else including you or me can also post what we think is of value with the same behavior, in fact you can do it every few seconds in 4 to 6 or even more different threads. The condition is that you have to prepare your reply first on each thread, then you post them sequentially with an interval of just a few seconds. You can do the same thing when you want to send a report to a moderator or also when you send merit to dozens of different users. This method saves you time, but when it comes to posting, then I admit this is not a good behavior to maintain.

Implementing a system that would restrict every member from posting only because of a single person's behavior wouldn't be fair. Maybe there should be a privilege given to moderators for implementing such restrictions on specific users who are being reported a lot for spamming and post-bursting. A moderator should be able to put a timer on their account so that they can only post once within a specified timeframe such as 10 minutes or so.
Spam and low-quality posts with relatively short time lags are classic problems on this forum. You can always report it to a moderator and hope that the user you reported changes their habits. If his behavior does not change, it is possible for him to get a temporary or permanent ban.


Title: Re: Shouldn't there be a rule to prevent burst-posting or spam such as this?
Post by: Perfectbaby on September 14, 2024, 10:39:57 PM
This shows to be bot posting and I can't believe humans post without reading any text before replying. So the easiest way to stop this is to implement a kind of security system where if the user post less than 10-15 minutes he should be required to pass verification before posting to restrict either post bursting or a bot posting. I don't know if this idea has been passed here.

It's not a bot, it's just abnormal posting behavior from a human with a motive unknown to us. It's also not that he isn't reading anything, he reads the post that he replies to, but doesn't think much or write much in his response, he reads the post quickly, makes a quick response within 2 minutes or so, and moves to the next topic immediately and does the same again. So he isn't using a bot, most probably, but what he is doing isn't normal.

Implementing a system that would restrict every member from posting only because of a single person's behavior wouldn't be fair. Maybe there should be a privilege given to moderators for implementing such restrictions on specific users who are being reported a lot for spamming and post-bursting. A moderator should be able to put a timer on their account so that they can only post once within a specified timeframe such as 10 minutes or so.
Maybe you didn't comprehend my text correctly and I didn't practically say that everyone should be restricted. Like I said there should be a form restrictions on posting time such as timer as you already said, maybe to post within 5 above to reduce spamming but, your suggestions also is good because if it's set on that particular user who is spamming then it would be fine for him or to learn a lesson.


Title: Re: Shouldn't there be a rule to prevent burst-posting or spam such as this?
Post by: Alone055 on September 15, 2024, 05:23:19 PM
Someone else including you or me can also post what we think is of value with the same behavior, in fact you can do it every few seconds in 4 to 6 or even more different threads. The condition is that you have to prepare your reply first on each thread, then you post them sequentially with an interval of just a few seconds.

I agree, but prepared posts will have substantial value and quality in them which is nowhere to be seen in this user's posts which proves that he isn't practicing what you have mentioned but he is visiting each topic separately and writing the posts on the spot, hence, the low-quality posts all around.

Maybe you didn't comprehend my text correctly and I didn't practically say that everyone should be restricted. Like I said there should be a form restrictions on posting time such as timer as you already said, maybe to post within 5 above to reduce spamming but, your suggestions also is good because if it's set on that particular user who is spamming then it would be fine for him or to learn a lesson.

I understood what you said and I responded accordingly. :) A forum restriction would be for everyone, while individual restrictions would be for individual users who are going over the line with spamming and burst-posting. That's why I said, it would be better if moderators get the privilege to enforce certain restrictions on individual accounts to restrict them from misusing their rights.


Title: Re: Shouldn't there be a rule to prevent burst-posting or spam such as this?
Post by: _BlackStar on September 15, 2024, 08:50:09 PM
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I agree, but prepared posts will have substantial value and quality in them which is nowhere to be seen in this user's posts which proves that he isn't practicing what you have mentioned but he is visiting each topic separately and writing the posts on the spot, hence, the low-quality posts all around.
If that were the case - the moderator would have deleted all of his posts. But the fact is - the user has not changed his weird posting habits and is still doing it until the 13th. He may have been temporarily banned for his weird posting behavior - but this user is unlikely to change his habits if he only posts for fun.

I checked betswift's post history - she's been acting like this for a while now. Moderators have removed 75 posts from her since the account was created on March 22, 2024 - probably more if her weird behavior doesn't stop.


Title: Re: Shouldn't there be a rule to prevent burst-posting or spam such as this?
Post by: Alone055 on September 15, 2024, 09:08:01 PM
If that were the case - the moderator would have deleted all of his posts. But the fact is - the user has not changed his weird posting habits and is still doing it until the 13th. He may have been temporarily banned for his weird posting behavior - but this user is unlikely to change his habits if he only posts for fun.

I checked betswift's post history - she's been acting like this for a while now. Moderators have removed 75 posts from her since the account was created on March 22, 2024 - probably more if her weird behavior doesn't stop.

I only see his posts getting deleted and no ban in the modlog (https://bitcointalk.org/modlog.php). However, the user hasn't posted for a couple of days, or, his recent posts have been removed by admins. His last post (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5437273.msg64527340#msg64527340) was on 13th, but he was last active today.

I'm pretty sure he wouldn't stop doing that, but the fact that he did not post for two days probably means something. Maybe, he has created an alt and started posting from that account but hasn't caught our attention yet.

Anyway, I guess there is nothing else we can do other than report any post that we see. I don't open his profile to report his posts every day but I report any post that I come across when surfing the forum.