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Hi fellow degens. This has always been in my mind for the past couple of months and I can't get a definitive answer to satisfy my curiosity.

I have been playing online slot games for a few years now, mostly from Pragmatic Games and Evolution. One thing I noticed is that they rarely give out free games (if you're not going to use the buy bonus feature), and sometimes it may take you up to 200 spins before you get a free game which will only give shit rewards after all the spins are exhausted. This got me thinking, are those free games/spins really designed to be shit compared to the normal spin feature which, surprisingly, gives me decent profit during my sessions? If it is, then I think using the buy bonus feature is a trap to lure people into losing their money faster to the casino.

For a while, I thought the free games feature is better considering that multipliers are added to the factoring of wins at the end of each spin, but on my observation, I am getting wins in a high RTP game with normal spins rather than the bonus games feature.

Can someone here who knows these things too well enlighten me if there's a difference between spins in a normal game and spins in a bonus game? Does each have their different RNG formulas?

You raise some interesting points regarding the electronic components and mechanisms in place behind random rotation versus normal rotation. After all, players do generally assume that free spins tend to be less rewarding. Partly especially if you don't roll often.

Bonus structures and free spins can also differ from one game to another and between different developers. Most players begin to wonder if, really, free spins can ever be that terrible. That is the reason why they think that regular spins give a better payback. Bonus buying strategies could actually become a trap as they often cost more than whatever they may bring for the rewards.

And in the case of RNG formulas, even a basic RNG should do justice to both elements. However players can create different number of repeat trips (RTP). Set up regular upgrades with bonus upgrades. This may affect your experience.

It is always wise to play these games with caution and analyze your results.

Not that much, we can't feel online slot games sucking us badly while we're new register to the game. When you're playing it harder for longer terms, that's the time you'll feel so bad and think you've been tricked by their promotions and other ads online popping up.
That's not bad at all, we just need to take it for fun and not so serious to avoid frustrations because emotions was too hard to battle.

In general, I think the buy bonus feature is something to be avoided at all costs unless you have a pretty deep bankroll to begin with. One good drop and multiplier may lead to an enormous amount of money.

For example, I was able to hit 1000x multipliers in the game Sweet Bonanza 1000 by PG for a couple of times now with a small bankroll of $30 making it to $500 before I ended my session. Even though I hit it big, it's mostly the normal spins that made up most of the wins (around $300 lol) as I kept increasing my bet per spin as I win more. During bonus spins, I seldom make a profit when compared to its price when bought. If the bonus feature drops on me during normal spins, I take it openly, but I never really expected it to give me insane wins most of the time.


I don't think these slot games employ the same RNG algorithm in normal spins and bonus spins. Most spins done in a bonus game tend to not result to even the littlest of wins, much more combining it to a multiplier which leads to the high numbers. This is something I'm really curious about, and based on my observation, I should be correct on my hunch. Though without solid proof that there indeed is a difference, I can only tell myself that it's RNG and high variance coming in to play.

I think there is a very big difference even from common sense can different them. As a gambler who played gambling and understand gambling would know that free spins in online casinos are designed to lure gamblers to play the real game and even if you win, the odd will be very small. And it is not easy to win. And that is why I don't normally used them instead I deposit funds and play my normal games and when I loss all the funds I live. No casino will design free games for some to win big and if it happens. It should be once. And the bonus buy link has been there, I have seen and I usually avoid it because the last time when I checked it was $100 and other prices to buy bonuses. And I was like how can I buy bonus.

I assume you mean that the chances of winning with free bets are lower, maybe because they are free. I don't have much experience with slot bets because my main game is sports bets? From the little game I have played in slots, I was fortunate to win free spins. So the opposite of what you are going through was my own experience. I won more money from free bets than when I used my funds. Free bets are usually small funds so it will take luck and more time to win big. So I will not agree that they have different RNG calculations. It will be unfair if it is programmed differently from the main game.

It depends on the volatility classification of the slot game that you choose. Some provider offer a frequently hit on bonus game but they often resulted to small win like games games of Play’n Go and Bgaming while slot provider like Pragmatic, hacksaw and nolimitcity offer low hit ration for their bonus games in exchange for a frequent chance of huge win.

I think you should explore on different provider until you find a slot game timing suitable for you. I rarely play pragmatic since it gives inconsistent result for me so I settle with hacksaw but some user experience the opposite.

It's surprising, but not that surprising.

I also got many shit reward when it comes to something free or bonus, but when I gamble with real money, the reward tend to fair, sometime I lose and sometime I win. It's like when I gamble in free games, the house edge went up to 30%.

However, some people said we're in bad luck, but I don't understand why the bad luck mostly happen during free games lol.

If you read carefully, he is not talking about the demo mode as “free games” rather the bonus round on the slot games if you hit certain amount of scatter symbols. In fact, Demo mode usually just same with the actual game because there’s no evidence so far about the difference on the set RTP.


You can lower the bonus buy amount if you lower the base bet. 100$ is really huge since it’s the default bonus buy amount for 1$ base bet which is set by the slot games the moment you open the slot game.

But you can purchase bonus buy for as low as 10$ or less depending on the currency you are using.

I will agree with this because I have had the same experience in playing free slot games and the result doesn't seem fair at all. It seems the game is being manipulated when the system finds out that the money staked is from the free games or bonus giving. Even if we are not certain about what is going on, it is something we should be concerned about since a lot of people have similar experiences.

I dont think it is bad luck, those who got lucky enough are part of the few who the platform wants to be lucky to win.

I felt like you just read my mind.

There was a time I got 3 times free spins in more or less 200 bets and all 3 gave me a multiplier below x20. Pretty shitty, yes. It got me thinking too if the "buy bonus" feature gives the same thing as those. So I tested it and yes there will be times it will give you the same result as the free spins that you receive from normally rolling the slots.
The sad part is, that you paid 75x to 100x times for the buy bonus and you will feel the sadness more than just getting it on the normal rolling. This is actually the reason why I don't use that buy bonus feature anymore after testing it. There's just no joy in doing that. In my opinion, the buy bonus is for gamblers who don't have the time to grind it.

Addition: Try playing slot providers without that feature. You will find it more amusing. I actually enjoyed them more than those with a buy bonus.

Spot on! Your free spins is a form of motivation to pay for the real games. And yes, this online casinos did not establish a business for them to run into loss. Those free spins, what you stand to gain if you win, is minimal compared to what you can win from normal games. And the chances of winning, indeed, is low. So you need to understand the strategy of this online casinos. It's your real money that can give you real value. On rare occasions will you be able to win much with free spins, It's very rare.

So it's either you are playing a normal game or you are just using free spins for fun. But if you are using free spins to hope for a large reward, then you are in another planet. You are definitely not playing an online casino game; you are playing something else.

So it's best to use the free spins to have fun, but don't take it too serious. And try to watch yourself so you will not play more than you budgeted. Budgeting in casinos in game playing is really important. This way, you can have your peace of mind. You won't be angered by the fact that you didn't win much from your free spin because you already know you are in here to play games with real money and win real rewards afterwards. In summary, don't expect bounty rewards from free spin.

Now I play slots very rarely, I would even say that almost never, and I prefer other gambling games and bets. But when I played, I was once credited with free spins in a slot with a genie. So in the end I managed to win so much that I beat off a huge wager. And in the end I earned $ 180, I would be very happy, but after that I no longer played because I understand how slots work. And all sorts of cards with bright characters and catching wild do not amuse me much, perhaps I am too old. Nevertheless, if I see somewhere free spins in a bookmaker's counter which I consider authoritative, then maybe I will not pass by.

Still boils down on luck mate, I have games that I used the boy bonus and win some, but most of the times, I experienced dead spins. Same when I get the bonus round, normal spins without boy bonus, and the results are the same.

I know the concept of RTP, but I would just say, f**k it, I will just play and test my luck with my favorite slot games. And yes, specially Evolution games. So I would just play and if I lose then so be it, I wouldn't put my mind and stress myself, maybe I really suck, or maybe lady luck is on my side.

For some of the commenters, I meant to point out the "bonus spins" feature on a slot game like those present in Sweet Bonanza by Pragmatic, and not free games being given out by casinos as a bonus to their users.


I've been playing with Pragmatic for over 3 years now, and have made some huge wins here and there with their games. I tried Hacksaw Gaming's slots (Le Bandit, Rotten Switch) and feel like they're something I would play if I feel like my luck isn't with PG.  I know that Pragmatic classify their games as high volatility, high RTP slot games which makes profiting off it very hard, but for some reason I feel like my luck with normal spins without the bonus feature is better compared to those with it activated, hence the question.


Normally it's paying 100x for Pragmatic's buy bonus feature, with the super bonus feature at 500x. There is this one time wherein my 10 automatic spins resulted into 5 bonus games. Guess what, I stake $0.5 per spin and the largest I got from those 5 bonus games is only $7.9. That's something really disappointing but I guess that's how RNG works.


If there are good slots games with high RTP, I would perhaps give it a go. The main reason I play with Pragmatic is because they offer high RTP slots, and I sit for 2-3 hours in one session, and that 96.53% really helps in those 2-3 hours and around thousands of spins.

Unlike you , I don't think I have been playing that long. However, in the short while I have been playing slot, I would say that the spins in a bonus games which I have been fortunate to have a couple of times have boosted my winnings like 20%. It may be that in your case, for example while the worth of each normal spin is $1, the worth of a bonus spin is half a dollar. It is my hypothesis and I stand to be corrected.

This is an exciting topic because learning how slot machines work could help you win more and increase your chances of winning.

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According to the website I searched above, There are different RNGs for free spins compared to bonus spins. It is definitely unpredictable, and it is harder to quantify it as well. I don’t think the developers would fully say it or something.

It is designed to let more money in than out.

I thought, I was the only one who thought like that, when I got free spins most of the results were not comparable, but I realized that we only focus on the results we get which are not in accordance with the expectations we want, it's like our brains are washed when playing slots ;D

I think that it does not differ much as I believe the same algorithm to be used most of the time. I know for example from experience that Play n Go usually in their bonuses will give you 90% free spins that sucks and only 10% that are really paying well while with providers who offer you to buy the bonus this is a bit better, it is 80% of the games suck and 20% will be profitable, it is in this 20% of how big of a profitable bonus will be that decides win/loss ratio and in these providers the RTP is much better than providers who don't let you buy the bonus. This is in general and I never had a better situation in normal spins rather than in bonus ones simply because I play only games where the bonus makes a real difference and not the normal game, so this depends also on the type of slot that you choose to play.

Well indirectly this is also something I question my friend, thank you for opening the topic, I am also one of the gamblers who favor casino games like slots and lately I feel that when I manage to get a bonus round (without buying) I see the rounds in it are really very bad, this happens in the long term like the last few months which is added again it is really difficult to get the free spins if you don't buy them, I have completed hundreds of rounds and even though the balance in my account has run out I still haven't managed to get the free spins.

This is really annoying, I don't know about whether most casinos are now changing the mechanism in each game to make it harder to win or what, because previously what I thought was maybe because I was really far from luck, this situation really makes it difficult for me to win, even in small amounts, and indirectly this situation also makes my interest in gambling disappear. :(

For slot players then pretty sure they had noticed it out but there's no way that we could be able to prove out that they've been rigging out those free spins to be shit. Actually we've been expecting too much or being positive with these spins on which if we do really be able to compare it out into buy bonus feature then we can be able to compare out the rate or chance or odds of hitting up somehow is really that noticeable. This is why im with you into this kind of sentiment on which we could really be able to observe it out on whats happening but just like been said that there's no way on proving it out
if it was intentional or really just that coincidence on what we are really that able to experience on.

You can't expect that the bonus spins will give better results than the normal spins that we get because it involves a buy-in.

I think we can apply the logic that we can't have the nicest things just for free. And this is why you're right that it is a trap made by the casino by providing free spins and maybe there's some algorithmic program on it that once that number of spins is made from the free spins, there will be some rewarding moment.

But other than that, you cannot hope for the best with free spins.

I don't think they are not rigged in anyway, it's just a tactic from the slot providers to spin more than we wanted to do we will go with bonus packs instead of normal ones because that's how the common sense will analyse that situation. For some reason I want to stay out of bonus packs so I can't really speak about winning with free spins but I knew people won decent money with their free spins as well so I guess it's all just a coincidence.

I think it is the same as you asking about which is better between free spins or normal spins regardless of whether you get the free spins by buying them or coming by itself, while however and until whenever as we know that gambling especially casino games are random based games, you will see that sometimes free spins are much better than normal spins or vice versa.

So I think you will never be able to find out about what is the difference between the two, the point is you will only get something that looks tempting and fun when luck comes at the right time regardless of whether it comes from free spins or normal spins.

How did you think you would win something huge from free spins?
Just I wonder why you would have this mindset to focused your thinking about making free spins to gain something higher from it, while you and I know that almost or most of the casinos are designed to winning very less to participants and the winning radio could be 1/10 or 10/100 which is extremely poor.

It must be remembered that slots use a Random Number Generator (RNG) to determine what will happen with each pull - whether it's a regular one or a special one. the results are, therefore, random and unforeseeable.

While the RNG is the basic determinant of all spins, the pay structure and odds on bonus features can be different from regular spins. There are some games created to give more multipliers or big wins in bonuses, but they could also be the opposite. Free games can really suck if you wait so long and then get a small prize, for the reason that the RNG still works similarly.

It could also be that the bonus buys are designed to tempt the player into taking it more often, but that does not make it always bad. The point is always to set expectations and manage your money properly. Just because something is free or a bonus buy does not ensure that it will be more profitable than a regular spin because, as ever, luck is involved.

I play slots a lot longer than you... and I have experience with almost all providers (good & bad). I had many big wins from normal spins, many like zillion, up to x200. And I experienced many under x10 bonus wins... a bunch of them under x5 and x0.

In the bonus round, the chances for us to win something big are pretty high... but only if we are lucky. As I wrote we can hit a bonus round and win almost nothing, or in the worst case nothing (x0). If we are lucky we will hit something huge, but that rarely happens.


I don't wish to scare you, but 200 spins is nothing... even when x2 chances to hit a bonus round is activated. I experienced up to 400-500 spins without hitting a bonus round, and from some discussions, I found out that some people didn't hit a bonus round even after 600-700 spins.

Slots are tricky... many times I won a bonus round in the first 10 spins. The more you play them the more confused you will be, until you learn the truth that slots are all about luck. I like to test my luck with slots, and if I am lucky I know how generous they can be... but if we are unlucky we will just burn out any balance we have. One thing I always say is "if you are not ready to lose your balance don't play slots".



One member of this forum is buying just "super spins"... he doesn't even bother to buy normal bonus spins. Those super spins are also super tricky, they are expensive as hell, but with them, the chances for some high multi are rising... I saw his bets, 4-5 super bonus gave nothing...but the next one gave a decent amount. So even those are all about luck, and you need to have a huge balance in order to endure all bad ones until you win something.

Bottom line... there's no bottom line about this matter except what I said, when someone decides to play slots he needs to be ready to lose the balance. If you are not ready to risk all you have don't bother to play. And when we play slots it's the maximum risk we can take.

And that is why it would really be that important that you should really be having those realizations that free spins arent something that could give out that huge wins not unless if you are lucky then you could posisbly hit it up but of course the odds are really that small or really just that not easy to obtain. I do agree into some words above that there's no way that we could really be able to prove out that they are rigged or being
modify to make their gamblers be on continous on losing or having not to be able to get any wins out of those free spins.If this one turned out to be that proven then that would really be compromises their reputation
and this is something which they dont really make it too obvious but as a gambler then its normal that you would really be noticing out if there are really those conditions that you do seem that it isnt that right anymore.

The free spins are allowed by the gambling site for the promotion,but some say they won’t get any money from the free spins.But the fact is different,the gambling site spend some money for the free spins.They may do of less winning in the free spins,but their won’t be any no money concepts in the free spins.It was totally based on your luck in that particular day.The free spins can be multiple tonhuge number,So that the gamblers will make the average money in the free spins of the gambling site.

Let's start from the fact that the casino always wins, or rather, the house always wins, that's the correct saying, and knowing this, the slots are not going to put anything for you to lose, if they can win, get small balances to excite the players, but when real money is put in is when it is more exciting, I particularly like the free spins when I get them once depositing, but when it is a bonus or some kind of promotion you have to forget about getting big rewards, I would not encourage you to get excited about the free spins, it is better to play with your own money, depositing, is when you have more option to play.

This kind of question is already posted here several times.
For me, this is difficult to answer, most of the answers you will see are pure speculation as these kinds of gambling platforms and third-party providers are not transparent or open-source code how they built these RNG formulas, especially on free spins you got.

Slots in general are designed to slowly eat your balance. Go do some research and you'll probably find out that slots are how land based casinos keep the light on. Regarding online and your statement of sometimes it takes up to 200 spins to hit a bonus, I have been 500+ spins before hitting a bonus. Usually if I go 500 spins to hit a bonus I'll get another within 100 more spins.

Yeah the free spins are very rare and have a low chance of triggering. This is just one of the mechanism to keep people hooked with the games. After playing few spins, the player starts to think that he is now going to win a free spin the next round and that is how he keeps  on playing until the free spin is triggered. They are indeed hard to get because when you trigger them, they usually come with higher multipliers and better rewards. Sounds like you might have just been unlucky not hitting big wins during your free spins. And then those free spins usually have lower volatility. The volatility is higher when you buy the bonus round, so you could either win big or lose big faster. Buying the bonus doesn't guarantee better payouts and will end up losing quickly if you aren't luck. Slots wins are all random. It all depends on your luck. And yeah, make sure to play on slots with low RTP.

In my opinion, slot gambling has indeed been arranged by someone who works behind it, I have also seen a podcast video where the guest they invited was either a casino worker or a casino owner, but what is clear is that he showed how it works, he gave a big multiplier, free spins to the podcast owner who was told to try it and this guest set it up using a laptop, and it was real that several spins that were done did not result in a win, but when this guest asked the camera to focus on his laptop by giving free spins and the multiplier, the final result obtained by the podcast owner was the same amount. This proves that the slot has indeed been arranged.
In addition, with free spins which in my opinion depend on luck alone, because I have experienced where it is indeed very difficult to get free spins but there are times when I get free spins very easily with uncertain results. And of course not all gamblers are the same, I myself prefer to wait for luck to be on my side by getting free spins or big multipliers, but some of my friends don't want to bother, they always do the buy free spins feature thinking that it is faster to win.
This depends on each individual, because luck can be on our side at any time, we just have to know reasonable limits so as not to overdo it.

Pragmatic Games is one of the hardest games that gives you free spins or big multiplier well, at least that is for me. I don't know how about the others but I rarely get big win or free spins. You need to buy Bonus to get free spin but you must be careful because doing that can make you forget to control yourself. You will tempting to chase the win by buying more and more though that will not gives you more chances to win.

You need to understand that slot is not easy to win because that games is based on luck. No matter how many spins you roll or buying Bonus but you don't have luck, you will not win even that will be difficult to reach break even. Every people will have their own way to win slot depends on their luck so it is better you enjoy the games so you don't worry with the win or the lose.

It’s almost like the algorithm is hacked to always favor the house rather than being fair or giving the gambler a fair chance to actually try his luck and that I believe is the reason why it’s really difficult for people to win big with just some few lucky spins. Slot games are meant to be strictly based on luck and chances, a game where a gamblers come to test just how lucky he is, but I’m actually feeling there’s more a gambler needs than just luck and that’s why I’m really not a big fan of slot games, I can do a few spins sometimes when I feel like it, but I’d rather prefer to wager on games I know I’ve got bigger chances of winning, like soccer games and a few others.

Slot games do provide greater profits and are easier for casinos. Seeing how the slot system works, it is a program that has indeed been arranged in such a way.
When the OP needs 200 spins to get the bonus, it will not be a fixed number and it also depends on how much bet is used.

Trying to play on the Domino High Island Slot with the free mode or bonuses that are given out every day, never get any jackpot.
But when buying some Chips and starting to place bigger bets, some bonus rounds and scatters can be easily obtained.

But of course, you won't always get the jackpot because the system is set up for bigger casino winnings, so players need to deposit more.

Game in the bonus round that is obtained after several normal rounds is actually an addition to these gamblers like kind of free spin bonus for new accounts in several slot games that are given to gambling site customers.
In the bonus round or free spin we will not really get decent win or multiplier because everything has been designed very well for victory can be much more likely if it is in normal round or bonus buy feature that clearly we bet money not free spins.
For each slot game will have different RNG especially for different providers also certainly each game has random algorithm that can never be the same, but we can not understand this because all the way it works only the provider knows.

Pretty sure it's just that the ratio of freespins vs. spins you pay for is way too big? Hence why it looks like it sucks. If you try to tally it based on the number you gave out, it's 200 games per 1 free spin so assuming in those 200 games you won maybe at least 50, you'd probably need 4000? games before you can get that base 200, and out of that 200 you'd only win 50. If you won every game on a free spin you'd only need 1000, but just for the sake of it I totaled it to the base 200 games you indicated.

And no, afaik, they don't really have any difference. You'd have to see the backend side of things to really see if it actually has any.

Ouch! Shit happens.
I really wish they would erase this kind of thing. It's more frustrating when you are near depleting the balance in your wallet and then somehow the bonus round comes in. The expectation will be high because we think it will be the one to get us back on track and maybe have more money in our balance to spin more. But if that came out at those moments, it's stressful that a gambler might punch his computer monitor out of anger. Thankfully, I have not done that yet and I only went for my table.  ;D

I have won in Pragmatic games too but I never played it for that long. I mostly get out after a 50% win. 100 becomes 150. Something like that. Their RTP is cool but they also have a losing streak that I sometimes cannot deal with. It's too stressful and when bonus time comes it's mostly not the expected amount.

You can’t win every time. I’ve always been impressed with how easily it seems that I’m able to win free bonus spins on games. Granted I’ve never hit a big payday, but it’s exciting nonetheless. I guess you just have to have appropriate expectations and understand you’re paying for entertainment. You obvious aren’t likely to win more than you lose.

When playing a slot game with a fairly large bet amount and then successfully getting a free spin, it will make us happy because there is an opportunity to get a profit that might happen, it's just that with nothing that can be predicted, losses or disappointments cannot be avoided. I have experienced this where I played a slot game with a large bet amount and managed to get a free spin, but at the end of the free spin it did not provide a large profit, even though it never provided a small profit at all, honestly, something like this is very annoying and annoying, so that sometimes in situations like this I think emotions often peak and I think this happens to everyone who makes slot bets. Actually, that's a natural thing, when we manage to get a free spin but with annoying results it's not strange, because there is no certainty that we will win. Because if we are lucky, we can get big profits even though we are not helped by getting free spins, this happened to my own brother.

I can't answer for sure but this question can be answered by the online casino developers themselves but unfortunately they will not leak the main capital to seek profit to just anyone. Until now, speculation about manipulation or has been designed to make you lose more in the Slot game is the same fate as many of us who have played in various types of Slot Providers.

Therefore, I started to reduce my playing activity in slot games, either to chase bonuses or free spins. Everything is no longer profitable, fortunately soccer betting saves me from slot games because now the soccer schedule keeps me busy to bet with clearer advantages. Even if I have to play in a luck-based game, the option that I currently often use is the classic Crash game there, maybe I can gradually withdraw my winnings with a cash out setting of 1.5x or 2x, I don't really want to take risks.

According to what I've seen and experienced, these spins don't really give us much. I see them as a small reward for something, as the casino's intention isn’t to help us enjoy it. We can play free spins, but they rarely lead to wins; it often feels like a losing game. Honestly, we don’t gain much from this, and our chances are pretty slim. After all, no casino owner is overly generous enough to hand out big wins from free spins. That’s a whole different story when compared to using our own money here.

Sure, we can say it’s not entirely terrible, but let’s not get our hopes up too high, or we’ll just end up disappointed in the end.

That's the truth about the free games. Though op understand more of his experience but the free spins is more like a promotion for the casino to lure more players into using their casino instead. Most time its  just better to know that the wins in free spins isn't guaranteed. And when you make some lucky wins it still won't be worth much. It something you can do to test out your luck though. For me I just prefer not to waste my time with them. But I can use them for practice instead, since the wins are not guaranteed..

Well for this I can't really tell of it because I don't involve in slots games but you said they rarely give out free games but why is your thread  subject saying a different thing entirely, probably you have been using the free bonus from the slot games but you had to discover that engaging in such free games are designed to suck. So what's your point driving to is it the inability of accessing free games or the loss of money involved in free games.Well what I'll say is you need to enjoy the game as it is, and basically not putting mind in such free games you know I know some people are always scared of loosing their hard money to gambling so this is why they take advantage of the free games and bets especially in slots games.

I can not really tell the actual technical factor behind this free bonus spins because with my little experiences of when I play on the buy bonus features, it usually ends up like I am hopeless to win even when I have tried to employ my best spinning strategies in making sure I wins.

This has been concurrently and I feel fed up that even when I am given privilege of free spins I would just have that thought to just play along with zero expectations that I was going to win.

Dont have the math on that and I doubt anyone here does, limited to the providers own code maybe?

The games all depend on luck and free spins are only there to tempt you to play the real thing that is by paying your own money. Using the casino's money (in free spins) makes the casino lose more just in case you hit something big. Maybe it is tailored to the RNG but maybe we are just seeing one side of the story and only speculating about the other.

In either case, slots because of the big wins on buying bonus make them an addictive game to play. I still opine that free spins are the trap for new players.

It was later that I discovered that the thread is not about free spins but about the bonus spins feature that is offered in slot games. Winning big with free spins is almost impossible since casinos give out small funds. But the bonuses are attached to your bets. But I still believe that reputable casinos will make it fair. It will be better to give bettors lower bonuses than to give higher multipliers or bonuses, which are difficult to win. However, it still depends on luck. If we do a survey, you might get diverse views because we all have different experiences.


That's just the truth about gambling. You will not win all the time. Seeing gambling as paying for entertainment will help you not to consider how most of these games are programmed. But if you observe that a casino is not fair in some areas, it will be better to move to another one.

Of course, they are created so that a person has thoughts for the game. A player can stay up at night, thinking about something, but the thought that spins for real money in which there can be a real win is completely different compared to free spins. It's just that some casino employees know perfectly well how players think and try to tempt them to play. But the fact is that in their thoughts, players themselves bring themselves to this moment. Only a small share will be able to truly pass by this and not think about money.

Everything the house programs is definitely going to be in their favour so even if someone wins from a free spin the profit they choose to give out for a particular round is already fixed, it doesn't matter who wins the house is always in profit. Don't get your hopes up when it comes to free spins it's very hard to win from it but this shouldn't stop you from trying because it's a free spin, there's no harm in trying and besides you might actually get lucky. One reason I like trying out free games is because I don't really take it as a risk

I often play slot games, and this is the only one I go to every time I enter crypto gambling, as long as the typical slot games are the only ones I always encounter.

But I've never experienced playing slot games that gave free spins, although before I can't remember what casino platform it is that gives free spins when you always play their gambling, even though it's just their promo. But now I don't see anything like that anymore and experience it like that.

Exactly, I think we should immediately return to the realistic understanding that gambling is not created to make you easy to make money, the casino has set everything in the system, they have set about when you should win and when you should lose, and if you want to stay involved in the activity then you must also be able to accept the fact that the casino will always be superior at all times, meaning that when your losses are much greater than your wins then that is something natural.

Free spins are not the answer or a sign that you will go home with a win, it is still part of the system set by the casino, so I strongly agree with your suggestion that a gambler is advised to always have realistic expectations.

This topic brought back memories of when I was new to gambling and in my inexperience trying to make money through bonuses and free spins. Guys, bonuses and free spins are made not to increase the probability of winning, but to attract gamblers. Of course you can win during a free spin or bonus round, but the probability of this depends on many reasons that are regulated by the algorithm of distribution of winnings. Do not chase free spins and bonuses and play gambling for fun.

I only was wondering why OP is interested in the free spins when it's just a one-time time that the casino does to spread the word around how their casino seems to be the best in the industry. If a gambler is interested in making money from gambling then he should deposit and start playing games. Instead of expecting free spins to gamble. I bet he is a new gambler and his expectations of free spins and vouchers are delusional.

You are definitely right on which there's no way on knowing things yet this one would really be pertaining about coding, whether they are really that setting it out to be having those kind of odds on winning
up against the players or those are really that normally adjusted according into their advantage? Its not really that shocking anymore on which we know that house do always win at the end on which its really that a common thing that you would really be that on disadvantage in the end of the day. This is why on the time or moment that you do play against the house then expect that getting out will really be not that something simple or easy. You will really be able to have that struggle on reaching out those threshold on which we know that only a few gamblers who do really able to make it out.  ;D

I have been playing slot games for a while so I can say that it's not really easy to win from free spins. I have had some wins from casino bonuses but they were not that huge. Winning from free games are very difficult because the system isn't designed to have a lot of winners but since you are not staking with real money you can give it a shot, personally I don't really think slot games are profitable, the game doesn't favour the gambler, a lot of casino games are like this but people still get themselves attached to the game

Because the purpose of free games is completely different. The casino provides this opportunity for the sole purpose that you try it for free and then play for money. I can assume that a low percentage of winnings is initially laid down there so that the casino does not incur an additional loss.

Its not really that something new or shocking thing on which we do know that these a businesses and of course they will really be setting out something that they would really be on advantage.
They would really be trying out to minimize or incur loses as much as possible and thats why it would really be that understandable that they might be tweaking out those winning chance.
As a gambler then you shouldnt really be making yourself that being too optimistic on winning up with those free bets or games and if you have noticed out something different or odd
about winning chance, then it will really be that common sense that they do set it out on their advantage. Just like the rest been saying that there's no way on proving it out though.

Have you never played Gate Olympus or Starlight Princess or again Bonanza and other Pragmatic products, there when we play for a long time you will get free spins, I often get it but it's true that free spins really don't pay very big, it's different when we buy spins, big wins are possible there instead of using Free Spins.

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OP what you are thinking is right about how Free spins are, maybe when our account is still a beginner and we are still hesitant in gambling getting wins with Free Spins it really feels pretty good even at large Bet though, unlike for a long time, it rarely works to give us big wins, i thing well be better to buy. :D

Sometimes the way some casinos treat the free game can even make you feel as if you can have a better chance of winning when you are awarded a bonus to play with compared to when you are using real money. I said this because there are times when I might be running out of money, and when I'm being given a free spin, that free spin always gets me a winning that can keep me going for a little while.
 
While in some cases it will just be as if you should never have been given those free games, as they are completely and almost worthless since no matter how hard you try, you can never get out with a decent winning with it.

Yes, it is a natural feeling scenario felt by a gambler, but for the problem of the results of the free spins actually comes back to how lucky you are at that time, we will never know whether the free spins will give you a win so you can play longer or not.

The results in the game do not depend on how hard you fight or how high your level of expectation of victory is, it comes back to how lucky you are at that time. Therefore, when your balance is running low and it turns out that you managed to get a free spin bonus, don't put too much hope in winning, because after all the free spin bonus is not a sign that you will win.

Yes, it's all very subjective. Just recently there was a thread where someone complained that he made a huge number of spins on a high-multiplier slot and won nothing at all. But I'm sure that someone is lucky and will notice that such slots are "profitable". Personally, I rarely used free spins, but the experience was positive - I was able to win back the bet amount and even came out on black (the amount was insignificant, something like $20).

I have never win any significant profit from free spin/game and it actually made me to think that it's worse than normal paid bet, although I do think that casino games are not fair all the time, even if they are cheating, we wouldn't know. Some gamblers have been lucky to make a good profit from free bet but I think only a few cases, that's to say that free bet is not usually very profitable but just a means to attract customers to gamble with their money and lose more.

Actually, in my opinion, gambling like this is not a cheating done by the casino, I still think positively that the casino is only tasked with providing a game that can be played with a percentage of defeat that will be experienced by the player because they are also looking for profit by providing everything. After that, it all depends on the player himself, I admit that when you get a free spin but the results are bad, it is indeed annoying, but we can't do anything but accept it, rather than thinking about it, it will probably only make us lose control of ourselves.
I agree with what you said about the free spins, it is their way of attracting deeper players to continue gambling again and again, with that the host does not need to worry about the profit. But this is the problem we have to face, we have to be able to control ourselves with whatever results happen, because basically the casino does not have an element of coercion.

Well that's it, we will never know whether the casino is cheating or not in our gambling session, and as you said even if the casino is unfair to the gamblers then of course we will not know that they are cheating in setting up the game system, all we know is depositing money, guessing and pressing buttons.
I also quite agree with your last point that the presence of free spin bonuses provided by casinos is a strategy for them to make gamblers always feel interested and curious, and it is also one of the factors that triggers emotions in a gambler when the results of the spin bonus are very bad which in most cases makes gamblers feel unacceptable and want to take revenge by buying the spin bonus which makes them trapped and lose more.

The way the casino attracts players can make them forget their limits, whether it is profitable or detrimental. When players play the game and over time it drains their balance leaving only a little, then at a time like this they get a free spin even though the results are bad, this will make them addicted to depositing their money again because they think that they are almost winning, this is where the fact occurs that says pursuing victory is actually the wrong action.
I agree with what you said, no matter how hard we try, we can't get the victory we deserve. It should be noted that victory in gambling is very much determined by our own luck, so no matter how hard we try, if luck is not on our side, there will be no victory that can be obtained and vice versa with us who do it, for example, carelessly but luck is on our side, then we cannot avoid the victory that will occur, but what must be known is that luck can't guess when it will be on our side.

Sometimes I can get the maximum win when I get free spins or buy the free spin feature, but the number of losses or results that do not match what is issued occurs more often. This goes back to luck, because no one can say for sure what will happen in each round. Even as you said, even if they cheat, we never know about it.
But honestly I feel a little more annoyed when I get free spins but don't give anything, in my opinion it's just a waste of time and also just makes us hope. That's something I often feel and it's really annoying.
Back to luck, we shouldn't expect so much from something that depends on luck.

Like you said just don’t expect much from it.

People probably feel frustrated if they don’t win from these bonus or free games but that is because they are definitely hoping to get lucky and come out with a huge winning. If you don’t take it too seriously and just play the game as it is, you would not be as stressed or annoyed as you would be now. I honestly don’t think your chances differ if you paid or you didn’t pay. Either way is the same.

Do not take this far, it is about what the house wants, you cannot change that fact. Even if you ask for advice from a million people, it can't still change the system programmed in what you are playing regardless of whether it is a normal bonus or the buy spin bonus.

Thank goodness that you mentioned RTP at a point, this contributes, but we can't still trust that as well because provably fair itself these days is no longer true, so you should personally judge casinos, games, or bonus systems according to your frequent experience with them.

You're not saying this for me.


They are designed to give you a rush of emotions that hooks you, and then you look for that rush again.

I'm not sure if the normal spins have more RTP than the bonus ones but I generally don't trust bonuses, since the house sells them to you as something that gives you an advantage and in the end if they offer you the bonus it's because they are winning. Maybe you as an individual player will win games but the house knows that all players who buy bonuses will make a good profit for the house.

I have experienced playing slot game from PG up to 200 spins but no winning even not reach break even. I also don't get free spins so I don't know why but I guess that is because I don't have luck so I started to reduce the number of spins and only play moderately. By using that way, I can reduce my losses and just trying to enjoy the games.

But when I try the other slot game from different provider, I sometime lucky and win for some money. But mostly, I still lose my money so when you playing slot game, you must consider that slot game need luck if you want to win. But we don't know when we can win and could only keep trying to spin. But many people use buy Bonus to increase their chance to win and some people can win but the other still lose their money. Maybe there are a different RNG formulas that we don't know and only casino will know.

Yes, in casino games especially, I think it's luck that obviously grant someone success but sports game requires your skills and not only luck.

This is indeed quite confusing and doubtful, especially when talking about RTP which even has 99% and I made purchases several times also getting free spins did not give a win, and the reason that can be accepted is probably because I am unlucky, and always so.

I don't know how it works, but also in other cases without me paying attention to the RTP but getting a much bigger win, and yes I ended up not being affected anymore about the RTP even below 50%. lol

But there are really indeed moments on which we do really be able to make ourselves that thinking on what the heck with that winning chance or odds? specially into the time that you've noticed it out
that the winnings arent that happening despite of having on many rolls? Yes, its understandable that they are really that on advantage on which this is something usual or common but it do really sucks
and give out that bad feeling whenever you've seen yourself having that hard time on even getting or hitting up a single good win out of those free spins. Yes, slot games are really that heavily
relying on luck for you to have those good hits but sometimes you could really be able to say that its too much.

I didn't know as well but whichever ways, in casino they winning ratio are extremely poor which depends solely on luck. Even though some casinos make it fair then fairness isn't that giving much priorities to gamblers because since their main interest is for gamblers to lose and have little or no winning at the later ends. Yes there are lot of people with diverse experience since everyone has the lesson they have all got from casinos and there most be ways to about with gambling/betting site in order not to be fully affected by either with constant lose or something similar.

I have never won from a free game before, there are some bonuses I have in my paripesa account but I'm to lazy too use them up or let's just say that I have given up on free spins... I don't think they are designed for gamblers to benefit. getting free spins are not easy because you'd have to fund your account consistently to get it. It's all part of the scheme of taking your money, my first casino bonus had too many terms and conditions, they said I can only cash out when I use to play a multiplier of x10 which is very difficult, I ended up losing the bonus.

I can conclude for myself that, even RTP will not be useful and free spins will also not give victory if we do not have the luck to win, so I also ignore that because it is better to buy than to be given for free, although free spins by buying sometimes sucks, but if you buy we can see more opportunities than being given free, there is no need to hope for that, even if we get a big win from free spins maybe you are a lucky person from millions of people in slot games.

I want to ask how the form of justice in the casino in your view? Do you have a victory ratio comparable to defeat or what kind of in terms of this, if there are many people who say in this forum that playing slots is only to lose if done in the long term.

This can make a big difference because anyone who gambles and understands gambling knows that free spins in online casinos are designed to entice gamblers to play the real game. Whether you win or lose, the odds are minimal. This will only happen once and you can only buy the bonus once. In my opinion no casino designs games for big wins. But in that case I don't use them instead I fund and play my normal game. On the other hand, even if you lose all your money playing the games, you can use your savings later and you are sure that you have the funds.

The thing about slot games is you need to understand how they work, how RTP comes in play to win handsomely, and which games are generous in rewarding players..it's not really a pragmatic gaming thing, all game providers have the same game algorithm at play and can't call out one company only because you won't win big in the first few spins you play .

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Oh yeah then there is this , you win using demo funds and when you try with real funds the game changes altogether and you can't explain what has changed as you run out of luck and lose.

From what I have already observed regards free spins, it really seems they have inferior winning chances when compared to regular spins. I watched a youtuber who progressed through the VIP program of a casino, so he received free spins on slots every day. However, the spins he received for "free" never rewarded him any considerable amounts of money. It was always nothing or few cents. Technically, he was totally unlucky, or the those spins were really configured to reward cheap prizes.

That is why transparency is so important. But in order to achieve transparency from services, a more conscious and demanding userbase is necessary. Crypto was good when there were less adopters, but more conscious ones. I remember casinos here were constantly concerned about sharing with their customers the house edge percentage.

But now, you have to dig deeply until finding this information...

We dont know if those things been adjusted or not but there's no way that we could really be able prove it out that it is really that being adjusted but it would really be that understandable that bonuses or free spins will really be having that lesser chance on hitting some good wins. This is why it would really be better that you shouldnt really be expecting too much or having that optimism that you could get something from it. Even into those regular spins on which you can really be able to make up some wins and this is something that you should really be that realizing into. The key on here is that you should really be that
enjoying the game rather than on minding too much about on how to win, because this one will really be causing up that much desperation.

It's hard to tell if there's a difference because they usually suck similar to how you'll slowly get dried with the regular spins. Even though they suck, my experience is completely the opposite, I mostly recall most of my good wins coming through these free spins so even if they're designed that way it's still a feature that i'd rather have compared to the traditional slot.

Also, there are slots with tougher conditions in triggering the free spins so the game mechanics could be a bigger factor in why it felt easier to win through the base game.

You can have as any free spins as given but the percentage of you making a whole lot of buck for them is low. I don't know but I've read some users saying they still prefer the free spins to the normal slot games. I can't tell why or argue because everyone with different experiences and luck probably they got lucky and won some reasonable amount a couple of times. The truth is that the free spins still is just a way to intensify the players. There no guarantee you will be getting some good wins from them.

And also depending on plays it, slot games are indeed designed like that, many people experience losses due to playing slots for too long and hoping that each spin will give them an advantage, free games also do not always provide advantages, sometimes the results are also uncertain, so in my opinion, whether every free spin or normal spin, I think it is equally profitable for bookies, it's just that free spins are more interesting, even though in my opinion it's the same as playing it normally. That is why slot games are considered games of chance. If we expect too much luck, slots will be considered an annoying game.

I think that's why it is called "free" spins, because you will nothing really much from it. The purpose of that bonuses is to encourage players to play more. Though, I knew some people who won using those free rolls, ranging from $20-$40, but then again, it's not that much really because eventually, that winning amount will get drained.
I'm not really a huge fan of slot games, because your luck depends on how many players have been playing at the same time lol. If a lot of people are winning during the time you're gambling, then your chances of lossing is greater. That's just my theory.

Winning from free spins is difficult so we don't have high expectation to win. Those who saying they still prefer the free spins is because they have a good experience when using that and they can win some money. As we know that Pragmatic will not gives free spins too often and only for some people who can get it but not many people can hit a big multiplier while other people only hit a small multiplier. If they don't think about the outcome from free spins, that will be good so they don't have to keep playing slot to expect the next free spins because that will not always happen. But we should remember that slot game will depends on our luck so if we don't have luck, we will not win.

I've won using free spins before but I still won't encourage anyone to depend on bonuses from casinos because most of the time the opposite happens, it is free bonuses, something you don't pay for, lower your expectations.

Free bonuses are a good way to bring in new people, to atleast have some experience about how the games feel like, they are not giving up free bonuses to make people win free money, this is similar to using demo account on a trading platform, it is all about the feel and the experience.

The less expectations from bonuses the better, the last time I won using bonus spins from slots was not expected, it just happened, although I have to meet up with the casino criteria to withdraw but that's it.

For those who have enough money to satisfy their playing style, free spins are not in their view, they prefer to play games that offer higher value but obviously, their return rate does not meet their expectations while from a perspective of someone who wants to start from nothing, they prefer free games, where they don't need to have an initial amount of money to be able to earn money, they just need to work hard plus a little luck to get a small pocket money. And as you say, free games will be a way to encourage more exposure, just enough greed, a player can go from free spins to a more expensive spin

That's my experience too but maybe that feeling is because the prizes you get in free spins are bigger than when you play regular spins, so what we remember are big prizes but because free spins are given to us infrequently, they are like an accumulated jackpot.

On the other hand, maybe if you pay for them like the OP and compare what you win vs what you're paying you'll see that it doesn't pay off.

A free spin is just the same as a regular sping if we look at it from the frontend but we never know what's the logic in the backend.
We can never tell if they are really designed to give us poor rewards or is it just our bad luck every time unless the spin is provably fair.

Nice way to put it. The word "free" or the notion of getting something for free, without doing anything in return makes it all the more tempting to try out - got nothing to lose - right? Wrong, because you can start losing yourself to the gambling greed.

Well if they were cunning they would cash that out and not come back. But I guess there are limitations of withdraws from free spins? In either case people go there to make money and they would have an appetite much bigger than $20-40 so they would keep playing.

Slots randomly pull the reels into landing into something, therefore each reel result is random and previous reels do not influence the next one. So yeah its luck not the way you described it.

I don't understand about RNG, but I think it will be the same between free spin and normal spin, because if you feel like you get more wins from normal spin then I feel the opposite, if in 100 normal spins it doesn't produce free spin then I can be sure that in the next spins I will only get a multiplier to increase the balance by a few percent before it will be completely drained, and also if I have generated enough profit from free spin it would be better to stop because often the next free spin is just a dead spin.
If many gamblers say that slots are just games that drain money I agree unless you are really lucky because I have also made quite a lot from slots, but lately it's just been a loss, but maybe because I played with a small capital, before I got the high multiplier, my balance had already run out.

Yeah, the experience and the kind of feedback that will be given will be based on the gambler and the type of experience they have with each of them.
 
For some, there are those whom free spin has been able to favour more than when played with deposited money; sometimes I don't even think there is any level of unfairness in it, as the winning percentage can just be based on luck and not necessarily on whether it's free spin or not.

I think there's a difference between the demo plays vs the free spins plays? Demo plays usually have skewed odds towards the player so that it can, as others have said, entice other people. Compare that to free spins, as I've said before, which seem to just have bad returns because of the difference in games between the free spins and the regular spins. Unless ofc stated by the casino otherwise. Highly doubt they have differences though.

Hmm, I'd say it depends? Nothing wrong with not expecting anything in free spins. What you're saying is more aligned to people chasing free spins instead, which as you've said, leads to just greed. Like trying to "maximize" gambling.

when free games or free spins are obtained, no one knows clearly what the results will be like, whether the amount of the bet is large or small, there is no clear certainty. When the results are not in accordance with what was previously thought, because I think everyone feels where when they get free spins or free games, what is in their mind is a big win or maxxwin, it's just that often the results are not in accordance and can be even worse, and honestly things like this are indeed a little annoying and annoying.

However, for players there is nothing else that can be done even though the results are not in accordance, we can do nothing but have to be able to accept it well. For example, there is someone who places a bet with a large amount and manages to get a free spin or game but the result is a dud then the player cannot accept this, it is likely that he will experience excessive emotions. Well, with the emotions that occur, this will not make the situation better, right? even if the player protests to the existing online staff, it will not produce better results than what has happened.

The free games that are given in slot games are a strategy of a casino owner to get the attention of other gamblers. Of course, when a gambler tries to play a slot game and he enjoys it because it is free games, so when the free games run out, it can be a way for the gambler to deposit money in the casino so that he can play again at the casino where he experienced free games.

So if we look at it literally, the games are like bait to catch fish; that's what I see in the free games or free spins provided by a casino gambling platform for no other reason.

It can be said that this is a developer trick to make players excited and curious, here the players are not aware of all that, actually we can see the frequency of winning if paid and free in the round, the developer does not want to lose
so for free spins 100: 1 to be able to win the round,

The answer is yes, free bets are really annoying and annoying, you are really annoyed by these free bets, indeed free slot bets are tempting, but you have to really follow all their rules to be successful, What's more, you spin the free bet in a slot game, in a matter of minutes you will get nothing but losses and the free balance will end up at zero.

To be honest i ignored the free bets for a long time, even though they were free piling up in my account, but i really don't want to use them anymore, I'm sure the free betting system is designed in such a way to attract users and in the end of the story it's all just a ploy you really never get it.

Odds on winning would be less but it doesnt mean that people would be losing up completely without having any chances on winning. If it does then they would really be having that tons of complaints
in regarding to that. We do know that there would really be those individuals who would really be that too sensitive when it comes to odds on which if they do find out that it is really that not that fair
then it will really be normal that it would really be getting those kind of reactions that there's something wrong on the odds about it. Despite of people or gamblers knowing that they are on disadvantage
but still it will really be that impossible that they wont really be having any words in regarding into this one.

That is clearly different because they play various slot games which will not be the same. Besides that, the luck factor is also different between each gambler so the result will be different. But winning in free spins is something that we want although that will not easy as we imagine.

We must think about the luck when playing slot game because we never know when our luck comes and we can only continue playing. If we decide to continue roll the button without thinks to limit the money because if not do that, we can spends too much money but we don't have a big percentage to win. That will be a problem if we spends too much money without limits.

I never think about RNG, fairness, or even luck because that will prevents me from enjoying the game.

Same here... If I wish to play some slot I will play it. If someone doubts fairness shouldn't play slots at all. RTP can be low or high, but that's the last thing I look at when I am searching for a slot to play... in my experience, it doesn't really matter, I lost & won a bunch of money on both. If we are lucky we will win, if it's a bad day even the slots with the highest possible RTP will eat our balance.

So you are totally right, slots are all about luck... and if we decide to spend some money playing slots we should enjoy it every second. If we bother with some technicalities it will just ruin the experience. We should enjoy playing with the money we can afford to lose... and if we lose the money we can hope for more luck next time, and if we win it will be like a cherry on the top. Sadly we can't taste that cherry often, but when it happens it's a great feeling.

AFAIK the bonus spins are different from the current bet of the game, if you make a bonus spins come from deposit or reward it does not make the same with your current bet, instead it seems just the lowest bet reason why it has a small reward. Now on the buy bonus spins its different of course the designated amount you buy bonus are just a head start to have a spins now this are program not quite sure if its a system generated or there's a specific chance or percentage to shows a good amount of combo. This is the feature casino offering to have the high risk reward if you will make a casual spin and wait for the bonus spin or make a headstart spin for fast chance but an expensive one.

The free spin you are describing is the one came from the promotion of the casino which is the literal free spin while the free spin in subject here are the one that can get if you hit the required number of scatter or buying the bonus buy feature of the slot games.

I think he is comparing the difficulty to get the free spin through the use of manual spin and get scatter symbol. I rarely do manual spin since it’s time consuming and at the same time makes my patience short so I always choose bonus buy which I consider as lump sum of manual spin just hit scatter.

Freespins are just like buying bonuses then this is a little different because there is a multiplier that can be increased while spins are normal but we never know that sometimes the win is good, sometimes bad.
I will still assume that if the freespin results are bad then this fate is unlucky, never think whether it is fair or not this cannot be proven.

Would be good if OP would describe what «shit rewards» really are. From my experience, free games or free spins in slots were limited with amount of lines, as well they were minimum available bets. So playing 20 cents per bet with 1-line or a bit more lines spin, it is technically impossible to get a big win. The maximum that I have got from such free spins were $1-5 per spin, and such wins were really rare. On the other hand, hoping to get «not shit reward» or something large from free spins is wrong. Free spins, games, or anything that is free in gambling isnt supposed to give large rewards.

However, the Slot game will always rely on luck. whether it's free spins or buying bonuses, no one can prove fair or not. fair maybe if the player gets some wins. It's unfair to the player who loses. I think that feeling will continue to exist.
If you feel there is injustice in the slot game. then you just need to find another game. if the problem is the free spins that seems unfair. then there is no need to do it.

Regarding slot games, I don't really go into or find out to dig up a lot of information, especially those related to knowledge. There may be many things that I don't know, but basically this type of game is purely based on luck. As for RTP, sometimes it doesn't affect us even though it is showing a good green line. But maybe, for gamblers who are lucky they get something fun. Likewise with RNG, we don't even have or know a certain formula related to it. What I know is playing the game that I want to play, which is most often a game from PragmaticPlay. To be honest, I am the type of player who rarely buys the free spin feature. Because for me, the challenge is getting free spins. Regarding the reward, of course it cannot be ascertained. Likewise with buying with the bonus option. I speak from experience, sometimes playing slots requires much more patience. Not infrequently, from the free spins I get good hits and get quite a lot of rewards. For me, slot games are more about uncertainty than betting or other types of games. But when you are in lucky mode, you can get a jackpot or we usually call it maxwin.

It does not work that way because the wins are not programmed to favour you when there are many people playing or not. The algorithm is just random and at time nobody knows what the winning numbers are. Slots game are based on luck only and we should not be expecting too much from the free or bonus games. They are free and not designed for you to win big from them. These games are supposed to motivate you to continue playing by giving you small wins that makes you to think that you can win more when you wager your own money and that is how the casino make money from you because you start losing when you start staking real money. Free games are like test games and they are not the real deal. It is like when you use demo account for trading and then try using live account, the difference are always clear.

Right, the point is as you said my friend that if we talk about the type of casino game then it will always depend on how lucky we are when running the session, no matter how you play, how often you play, how much capital you bring to play and also whatever scenario you experience when playing the type of game you choose, and also other things yes we really can't prove whether the game is proven fair or not, we won't be able to do anything to find evidence of it.

Therefore, this is the importance of understanding and knowing about the actual risks of the type of casino game, because when you understand and know that everything runs randomly then you shouldn't think that the game is unfair to you, and I think it's very simple that when the results of the free spins or hundreds of normal spins that run are not as you expected then that means you are unlucky.

I have never seen a free spin making a gambler to get fortunate with huge winnings. Many gamblers I have seen making money from spinning, are mostly their staked money and not from free spin. I think the free spin could have it own different algorithms that will make it very hard for gamblers to make reasonable amount of money from spinning. And also their are terms and conditions for free spin and you can not win up to a certain figure, that's in case if you are very lucky to win higher than the expected amount of money. Free spins can be worth trying but we should not be too excited about it because you can not win more than the way the game algorithm has programmed it.

I could see it being really easy and convenient to change an online gambling websites coding to favor the casino. I could imagine free spins winning some small rigged bets to lure you in but once you’re hooked boom a change in the algorithm. Now nothing is for certain and I’m not saying that happens but how hard is it really for a fully online casino to make the odds a bit more in their favor??

And remember if you feels something wrong happen to you, you can stop and leave the game before that wrong thing really happen and make you lose the money. We deserve to play in any slot game and stop it immediately because we are in charge with our money and we don't want to lose huge money. That is why we don't have to think about other things that is not needed because that can disturb our focus to playing slot game.

We just let our luck comes to us and help to wins the money. If we don't wins at that time, we have the other days to returns to casino and play the other slot games. What we needs to do is just enjoy the experience and have fun when playing the game so we can fills our free time by relax with the slot game.

So easy for them to change everything once they see many gamblers winning especially if it's just a free bet. They don't want that happening so they will have to adjust.
Just recently, I have been winning in one slot provider (not going to mention the name) which can be played in our local gambling site application and I was shocked that after the certain slot provider finished their maintenance, I cannot win a damn thing anymore. Most were just playing tag with it or losing all my balance so I deposited one more time and tried again until all my profits were taken back from me with no single resistance.
I mean I could understand that I will lose it all, but that fast is just too shocking for me and I bet the gambling site is the one behind it as they maybe saw how much players are winning in that provider.

Yes, maybe that's the mechanism or scenario that the casino does in changing the game algorithm by luring gamblers by showing some small wins and after gamblers start to be tempted to bet more impulsively, that's where the casino will turn things around to make it harder to win. But even though I feel that now the game is really hard to win, thousands of spins are going very badly, along with the spins I get from the free spins bonus, but I never think or research what really happened.

Because I think it's useless for me to look for various information related to what really happened so that the game runs so badly, I just think that maybe luck is really far from me, along with reducing my involvement in gambling.

Agreed, it's hard to give an exact guarantee of winning with freespins they depend on luck. Many times it is seen that many benefits are derived from free spin based bonuses, so that players are able to improve their scores and winnings, which leads to better spins which ultimately generate coins for use after the game. Whenever the client wants to finalize their session and withdraw the momentarily earned winnings they must be bound by the frequently displayed terms and conditions thereby minimizing the risk.

Aren't those counted as part of the same RNG formula? At least that's only way it would make sense.

But i am not sure what you mean, bonus (or free) games that i've played have definitely gave most profits during my gambling, but that's why if you want to buy them as separate game, they cost more. Otherwise everyone would just play those. Winnings and winning changes are technically relative to the money you spend. That result of relativity however won't probably show in normal casual gaming.

I never buy them, because even if ratio for winning would be more or less the same, it doesn't include the slim change of getting that $160 worth of free spins with one $2 bet.

Always remember, at the end of the day, there's always house edge for a reason. So even if they offer some free rolls, in the long run, the house will always have the profit from their end. Of course, there are some winners but they won't be on the negative after the end of their promo run. Just like free games, definitely, they will be offering some good winnings but they won't go to the extent of bankruptcy.

Most casino games have the attraction that every player can get addicted of. Now, it is on the player how he will contain himself whenever he is in front of his game. Otherwise, he can easily become the slave of this activity and lose himself in the process.

In fact, I think the results are often bad and that's what sometimes makes us upset or annoying, but that's not something that really needs to be a problem because it's natural for the results to end up being less profitable. Players should be able to accept the results that occur even though they are annoying, there are many cases where emotions peak when the results make us upset and this is where we are wrong where we can't control ourselves with the results that occur, as much as possible we must be able to control ourselves with the circumstances that occur the goal is to keep things okay. If the results are bad, it's not because it's unfair but it's natural, as you said, it's not just a matter of luck. Because gambling does involve luck, if it's time to be lucky, victory will occur even though we didn't expect it before that it would result in a profitable victory.

If this is the case, then we're all faking it by trying to convince ourselves -- or someone else around us that we're only into this for the outcome.
Some don't even see it as a form of entertainment; that's where the unnecessary pressure and eagerness sets in... The more you wager, the less possible it becomes to secure a single win.

What's even more pathetic is that people don't still wanna acknowledge the fact that they can't win unless it's just one of their lucky days - what's this professionalism y'all speak of then? The percentage of gamblers that  hit the big wins is the minority amongst the total population of gamblers worldwide so, who's losing more?

I play slot a lot, and overall, what I have learnt and have come to terms with as regards slot games is that, making anything tangible from it is simply based on how lucky the gambler is, and this does not matter whether the gambler bought they bonus spins or not.
I personally have never been lucky with with slot games even in times when I bought the bonus, as at the end of the day, I discover that either did not win anything, or I only managed to recover they money I initially spent on buying the bonus, without any profit or a very minor one.

Slot games, to me is not really a game to depend on when one is gambling and hoping to make some money, I simply play slot games for fun even though I still hope to win some money in that process.
But then, when ever I want to gamble to make money, I go for sports betting since I enjoy better luck there.

Maybe yes, maybe no. We can't say for sure that free games/spins have a lower probability of winning compared to regular spins, because your experience may be different from other users who get the same chance to enjoy free spins, maybe they get profit, or experience the same as you. But it may be a game mechanism that randomly regulates how users can win, and we can't possibly know how slot providers design their game mechanisms since they develop them behind closed doors.

Games on free spins are still real games because we are able to withdraw the money that we have won from them later on and as long as it is above the minimum withdrawal threshold that the casino has. If there is a fake game here, then that would only be the demo games. Free spins are supposed to offer better odds than the base games due to their difficulty of appearing in our screens.

It is just that casino is still a business, so there are still plenty of times that we can get a disappointing amount from them. I see that you can easily accept a lost game. So, what is the difference of using a free spin between depositing your own money? And if we can only win big one time at our lifetime stay in the casino, then there is a clear manipulation there. We better watch out for the signs to not waste more time and money.

I won't be surprised with it, especially if it was a free game only. Free games are hard to see as well in a base game but if you are too desperate and then the game has a bonus buy feature, you can always avail it.

If someone is scared of losing their money then they shouldn't touch gambling even if their goal is only to hunt literal free games where you won't need to spend money because they can make you addicted and eventually use your own money, especially if that literal free bonus have been removed suddenly by the casinos. I've been on lots of casinos who are like that and I think their goal is only to attract and trap people. I've been a victim of it to be honest and currently I am still finding my way out.

It all depends on the company that programmed the slot machine on the probability they have set it for gamblers to win at a particular ratio. We don't have to be all positive every time when we play slot because we must surely lose bets even though it's not often.
Gambling is meant to be fun while we keep tryinb hard to make profits increasing and updating different strategies to become more profitable. Luck is also important when we bet because that is what will determine how often we can be making profits as gamblers.

I'm not sure there are casinos that give their players more wins than losses, the goal of the casino is to make a profit, so they will give players more losses than wins, even though the casino often gives free spins, the results are unlikely to always be profitable for everyone like last night, where I gambled with the capital I had, honestly, in last night's gambling, it was very easy to get free spins, maybe there were five or six times I got them but the results tended to be bad, it was annoying but there was no surefire way to make free spins better. Well, in my opinion, we shouldn't try hard in gambling, because this big influence of luck is what will determine it, not with our own efforts. I'm sure no matter how hard you try, it won't guarantee that players can get a profitable win if they are not lucky, then there will be no results that can be obtained.

Casino free spins are mainly not given to the gambler to be able to earn a win and make profit but a mechanism to lure him to continue with his money after having to lose all of those free spins and still with the enthusiasm to spin more further. Sometimes if the gambler gets very lucky he could still make some good profits with free spins but is usually not so. However, giving credence to what you aver about gamblers not beating themselves so hard about winning games  is an important attitude all gamblers should incorporate because when it's not your lucky moment your far fetched win will only be a near success-win ultimately leading to streaks of losses.

In my own environment in my friendship I have many friends who gamble on slots, and they are different in their beliefs and also different in gambling. I have two friends who have similarities in gambling on slots where these two people take advantage of the bonus purchase feature, for example he gambles with a capital of around $100, when his balance has entered he will choose a game and immediately buy a bonus feature with a certain amount without any manual spins because they believe that in the end they will only lose their balance.
Not much different from my other friend, but he himself still does several manual spins by looking for a spin that he believes is the time to buy a bonus feature and the results will be good, but the funny thing is that it never makes him succeed in getting such a big win. And with others who gamble by hunting for free spins, including myself who chooses this one method rather than buying bonus features continuously.

For me, free spins are one of the many ways for a casino to retain a customer as much and as long as possible. While you wait to receive these bonuses, it may take a long time, but during this time you will have made a deposit that the casino is interested in. I also agree that the casino business is primarily concerned only with its profit, and those "goodies" that customers count on are just marketing that works for the casino owners' wallets.

Exactly, as you said that free spin bonuses are one of the other ways that casinos have to keep gamblers going, it increases curiosity, because usually from what I have noticed most of the gamblers involved in this type of casino game manage to get the maximum amount of winnings such as maxwin when they manage to get a free spin bonus with the scenario of getting it for free or by buying it, or what I mean is more gamblers who manage to get maximum wins like maxwin through free spin bonuses so maybe that's why many of them even make deposits again when in the first step they failed to get the free spin bonus.

In fact, free spin bonuses really can't guarantee that you will be able to get big wins like other people get, in the end for the results of course it comes back to your luck, so I suggest not to be too excessive in pursuing something that makes you curious, don't make other people's wins a motivation, remember that gambling will always be a risky activity, and also understand that casinos are very smart in implementing strategies to keep gamblers going longer.

The thing is that this mechanism works simply, if the player manages to win real money on free spins, and it doesn’t even matter what he does with them, whether he wins or loses in the future. The most important thing is that this win will be stored in his memory forever and the player who did not take the game on slots seriously, in a month or even in a few months can return there with real money, because he needed money to pay for something in real life or his salary was not enough to pay a mortgage or support a family. And the player will remember the game as a way to earn money, but we all know for a long time that this will work out. If the player thought about making money with the help of a casino, then he took the bait.

Absolutely agree with you. The first win in gambling contributes to the fact that the gambler returns to gambling again and again. After a long series of losses gambler may lose interest in gambling. Winning in the bonus round contributes to the same impact on human psychology that the first win. This is a great marketing move that is designed to attract or retain a gambler on the gambling platform. Winning depends on the algorithm for the distribution of rewards and if according to his calculations in the next 10 minutes none of the gamblers should not win, because only recently was paid a big win, then no matter how you do not play to win is unlikely to succeed.

Free spins allow you to break the barrier of those who did not really want to play and make a deposit with real money, and thanks to free spins, a new player will still register and try his luck with the hope that here is a lucky chance. It does not even matter much whether he wins or loses, the main thing is that he registered and can return to the game at any time. Maybe he will have a bad day at work and he will decide to deposit real money on the casino site and play, this can be the beginning of his path as a player and no one knows whether he will be successful or unsuccessful in the end.

That seems to be addictive to those who win because they want to have more experiences in winning the games. They forget that when they win, that is because their luck come and gives that chance so they can win. They must control themselves in gambling and not playing gambling excessively because that can make them lose more money. Free spins giving temptation to gamblers to get the chance of winning so they must realize that if they lose in the free spins, they don't have to chase the winning by deposit more money because that will not easy to win. Playing slot game can tempt us difficult to stop so we must know when we stop immediately before we run out of the money.

Not everyone is able to control their actions during gambling. I will say more - it turns out only a small number of gamblers. Most of them succumb to their greed and therefore lose more than they can afford. It's simple - either you learn to control yourself, or you will pay for your greed. In my opinion, there are no other options and the sooner it is realized gambler the better for him. 

The act of gambling can only be controlled when you are aware that the win is a sign for you to stop immediately,
not to continue gambling and place bigger bets or raise the Bet for Spin Slots.

Greedy people would only give up and end up when their money ran out of money.
I myself even once got caught up in that greed with the victory I got at first, but then the victory was taken again by gambling.

my friend's environment also does the same thing, spam buy free spins in every game. but before spam buy free spins they do some manual 20 spins manually see the game conditions are good or bad. when the game looks bad when manual they switch to other slot games. looking for a game target that is good manual spin they just do spam buy free spins. sometimes succeed in getting a big win sometimes not. but what I see when the capital of 200 $ can become 1200 $ but the bad thing is when getting a big multiple becomes choosing a target that is even bigger than yesterday's win

And so as being that non-obvious traps made by the house to make those free testers would be molding up that kind of emotion that they could eventually be able to have those kind of plans on making up some deposits. Yes,its free and the real purpose of it by the gambling site or house is that its really that designed on making people do get hooked up on making a deposit. Of course if we do speak about winning chance
then it will really be that understandable that gamblers would really be that at huge disadvantage. Not only just that setting out huge wagering requirement and also we cant be able to know if those odds are really that being adjusted to the lower chance for those gamblers would be able to hit. So it will really be that just wise if you do make yourself at least be wary.

If you do like to test out a certain game then make use of those free spins if ever you do able to get it out. If you do found yourself having that kind of entertainment then make up some deposits
but of course only on the amount on which you can afford to lose, once you do lose it all then dont tend to make deposits again then on this way then you would really be able to stop yourself
on getting addicted or simply spending up too much just because you have that become impulsive.

I agree with what you say, normally we as people always look for what is a little more Accessible to win , it is a fact that the slots are programmed to give the biggest winnings to the casinos, but they also have to leave a window open so that some can win , because if they don't give it to you it's like Going to a place to throw and burn the money and that's not the idea Either , so good strategies are needed quickly in the slots and above all luck , even though the strategies may or may not work, sports betting is due to its wisdom.

Maybe it's more appropriate not to completely provide a profitable victory, because even though it is very unlikely to win by getting a profit, there is indeed a victory that can be obtained, I myself feel it even though it is possible that when compared to the results it is more often disappointing, but there are also occasional victories that occur. In addition, sometimes there are players who are too serious in responding to things like this, I have found where I get a big multiplier but it does not result in a win, for some people outside they will be obsessed with it until they want to continue pursuing victory. Actually it is wrong if we pursue victory even though we say we almost win because we get a big multiplier but it doesn't produce what I experienced, because no one knows clearly what will happen to the next gamble if we gamble again and again, maybe the results that have clearly occurred are only the defeats that can be predicted accurately.

I thought it only happened in my environment, but it turns out it happened in other environments too. I think this happens because of the different beliefs of each of us, because if you say players who choose to spam buy free spins maybe it's only for people who don't want to bother, knowing the results will lose so they don't bother to spam buy free spins. Besides that, I'm sure you yourself have your own way of playing, once I found a video that gave a trick to spin manually several times and immediately auto spin 1000x and in just a few spins I had gotten free spins, I had believed in this trick but with the next gamble I did doing this trick didn't work, from here I think there really is no accurate trick at all.
With the results that cannot be predicted, of course there are times when the results can give us an advantage but it is indeed very rare because free spins do not guarantee that we can get a definite win.

Not be able to control their actions doesn't mean they can not learns how to control themselves, right? That will depends on them how they will prevent the lose come to them. Playing free games doesn't have risks of losing the money because you don't use your own real money. But for some gamblers, using free games in online slot games can not gives excitement so they decide to use real money to gambling.

They can use their real money but they must know how to limits themselves playing slot games. They must know that slot games can makes them difficult to manages their money because the temptation to continue the slot games will be there.

You can choose whatever you want using free slot games or play slot games using real money but:
1. You must have limitation to prevent the loss.
2. You can control yourself and know when to stop gambling.
3. You playing gambling games because of the fun thing and not because of money.

When it comes to slot games, I believe it's advanced mathematical operations that determine who wins and when. As you said, no one can confirm if free spins have a lower probability of winning compared to paid ones. But let's be a little realistic: You know, everything is random and fair (RNGs) because popular casinos are regulated by authorities. If they were caught cheating, they would lose their license, and I don't think a casino would risk its reputation like that.
That said, your luck and how much you win will influence your opinion about whether slots (free games) are rigged or not. So, regardless of what I say, you'll likely form your own opinion through personal experience.

Haha. Do you believe on the authorities that much @Shanz? To me the authorities would only file up cases against the casinos if only the casinos are not agreeing to their own request of remitting their own percentage accordingly.

Do not trust centralized regulations that much. But though I agree that most reputable casinos would keep to their reputations because if as much experienced and knowledgeable players on their various casinos sites gets to understand the casinos are being tricky to them, it apparently going to lead to negative reviews with proves.

But in any case, I also believe what @retreat has said because the casino make the free spins closed doors and could possibly be that it is just being overrated to attracted bettors with privileges to free playing after may have run out of funds to stake more.

I also heard that when a jackpot is won, the casino needs to restore some of its solvency, so the issuance of winnings seems to be suspended. In addition, I heard that there are jackpot hunters in slots, they somehow monitor which games had a recent jackpot distribution and accordingly do not participate in these slots, but play only those in which there has been no jackpot for a long time, thereby trying to increase their chances. I do not know how effective this is, but there are those who do this and believe in it. I will not check this, because I do not play slots.

Well I also have some friends who are the same as your friends where they have a habit of doing free spins first before buying free spins, I don't know whether it's a research ritual or not, but some of them do believe that by doing so when the manual spin goes well enough then they believe that by buying free spins they will get a big win.

As you said that some succeed and some don't, but from what I see more of them fail, meaning usually out of 5 trials for example they only manage to get one or two wins and the rest lose and if calculated usually the amount cannot cover the amount of loss they previously experienced in the trial stage, and other things even though for example they managed to get a big win but it is really very difficult for them to ignore greed, like the scenario you conveyed, and because of this why bringing the intention to produce is really not recommended because in the end your expectations and hopes will continue to increase so that it will lead you to lose again.

there is no guarantee of a trick from spam buy free spins. because I also do it repeatedly and only go up a few percent for hours but in the end it disappears because of the ambition of targets like neighbors. I have done various tricks in the slot game world until I am disappointed. and comfortable with sports betting which I consider more optimal for making money

In the old days of physical casinos, when online casinos did not exist yet, there was a trick in the bars in the casino. I know that the bartenders in these establishments always remembered the slot machines that had recently given out winnings and jackpots to gamblers. And there are rumors that for a certain fee, you could always find out from such rams which of the machines were currently worth the accumulated profit.

Of course, in fact, the various tricks that are owned or believed by a gambler involved in the type of slot game are nothing more than something speculative, or what is meant is a trick that is still a matter of luck - like the spam trick of buying spins, I am sure that someone has this belief because they have previously succeeded in winning through this scenario so that they put their trust and belief that that is the right way to produce victory.

Even though it is clear that in gambling, especially in the type of casino game, a method that works for you now does not mean that it will work again at a different time, in the end the victory that you managed to get before is nothing more than luck that came at the right time through the free spins you get. So don't be too serious in dedicating yourself to finding various ways that lead to producing lots of wins, you have to realize again the fact that gambling, especially casino games, is a game that really depends on luck, so my advice is to focus on various actions that lead to risk management to minimize the amount of loss and the possibility of regret.

I think you have taken it wrongly when I said about provably fair.
I meant that the free spin could have a provably fair algorithm in which case we can conclude that it was bad luck that we didn't win big.
On the other hand, if the free spin is not provable fair then may be the casino owner could have designed the site in such a way that the free spin always resulted in poor rewards.
We cannot tell on what basis are the rewards generated.

You should understand it's business and bonuses are made to attract more customers and bring them in to try out the game o they cannot be giving you the best games as a bonus because if they do, you will definitely not have anything to anticipate or look forward to and having to get back on the game again but then when u have a trial that interest you, you would want to proceed further to get more of the game and that is the reason the bonuses feels like they aren't as good a s the main games, they need u to spend some money to get the fun u desire and probably win if u Lucky but before then, they should have made some money from you.

that is for sure
if the free games are amazing and paying well this would totally defeat the purpose and business model of the casinos so
yes, they suck on purpose, casinos exist to milk you out, this is the thing, this is their model
you can try to counter that at your own peril
some will succeed. maybe that's you

The bonuses advertised on slot games will of course be able to make anyone interesting to try it but when someone can't control themselves on the game will certainly continue to play to be able to feel what they have seen in the advertisement of the game and it's true as you said if they immediately give a win on the game of course they don't have any advantage from the bets that others play and even Some people who have spent a lot of their money on the game have not been able to get the winnings they want and only luck will be able to give them a win in the game.

It all matters about on the control and having that kind of moderation when it comes into their gambling on which on the moment that you do find yourself having such issues on stopping out and that really that get easily hooked on what those advertisements are showing in regarding about their bonuses and perks, then you would really be that definitely be having such kind of situation on where you would definitely be playing no matter what. As for free games and the lesser odds on winning up the game, then its something that you would really be having that kind of observation that there's something wrong in compared into those typical bets that you are making in speaking about winning chance or hit. You would be ending up with this kind of conclusion basing up on what you have observed. This is why some people do notice this one out.

It is really that important that you should really be enjoying up the game and dont mind much about the winning odds or chances when playing up with slots. Always presume out that you would really be that losing in the end on which we know that we are really that always on great disadvantage on which it will really be that understandable. So it would really be just that ideal that you should
really know at least on what you are really that dealing at least.

and that time made me think, why do people like certain hockey games. and following his footsteps will not be the same as friends. and I found my identity in gambling, like betting on sports. and slot games are just a few favorites and otherwise friends who follow me can't do it. it's like an algorithm that has been adjusted by the gambling party. each member is given a special page

I don't know whether people expect to win exorbitant bets on a free spin when it's just a free opportunity to spin. There could be trick to win some money in spin but it all depends on what we have to offer. Casinos are in the business to make money and given us the opportunity to try a free spin but than do not mean that winning is sure. Gambling is all about trying to make money from the house while the house is also trying to make money from gamblers so they can keep giving us free spins and bonus rewards. We should not always rely to make winnings from free spins since it's just a bonus to try to lay out hands on free bet.

All totally depends on how you would really be that treating out on which there would really be those individuals who would really be that expecting too much or simply being too positive
when it comes into this approach and there are ones who do just simply go with the flow on whatever the result would really be. There would really be those times or moments
that you will really be having those kind of noticing about the odds on winning up the rolls on which there would really be those times that you dont just really care.
There would really be those individuals who are really that too optimistic on winning up those free spins on which we do know that house do always have the edge.
They are indeed running a business so its normal that they will really be setting out everything at their advantage.

It's ridiculous to say a ritual with something that is done specifically in gambling, some people must have their own way according to what they believe in themselves, the goal is to get a big win in the bets they make. Maybe it's more appropriate to say it as a strategy or trick because if it's called a ritual, it's very ridiculous in my opinion. Sometimes someone who spams buying free spins can succeed in getting a profitable win, but I think the amount of winnings obtained is still relatively small with the losses obtained.
I agree that spamming buying free spins is more likely to fail in getting a win, because after all the bookies have arranged everything smoothly so that they can still excel in terms of profit, even though players buy free spins in very large numbers, it does not guarantee that they can win for sure. Not to mention if the goal is to seek profit, by buying free spins and being able to produce that win, it is possible that they will become greedy, which of course this greed tends to only lead them deeper.

It is true that they do not play the slots where the jackpot was hit. I used to hold the same opinion and it has not changed. I remember how one guy won several thousand dollars in one of the slots. No one approached this game like that for a long time, since everyone understood perfectly well that nothing would work out. It is strange, of course, but this theory is confirmed almost every time. This assumption still works. As I understand it, this is how the hardware code of the game itself is arranged.

I agree with that, maybe for those who spam free spins it is one of the tricks that they believe can make them win, but actually if you think about it there is no clear and accurate trick to win in slot gambling, even though they might make a payment to get a trick it will not make them win if not because of luck on their side, because in slot gambling, in my opinion, winning is very much determined by luck, not by tricks or skills.
You yourself may feel disappointed because there is no accurate trick to win until you switch to sports betting, I myself feel what you feel, but I don't switch, it's just that I limit the games I play with limitations from various angles, by clearly understanding the luck factor that plays a big role in slot gambling.

When I first saw the design of the games in the online casino I was very surprised. They looked like they were drawn by someone who can only draw in Paint. For example, the slot machine with the monkey and her bananas was really terribly designed.
And then I saw an interview with the casino designer and he said that everything is actually simple: the casino often makes the slot interface simple on purpose: and when gamblers see such a design, they think that such slots are as simple as possible, and this attracts them to the game. Yes, there are slots that are very beautifully designed, but I am sure that he was right and such a trick from the casino does take place.

You are wrong, maybe in the early days of slot machines, design could be terrible, but with the advancement of technology together with science, this slot designers could come up with something that will really attract even beginners to play and enjoy their games and so that's why slot machine games are one of those played in casino that really put a lot of money in the business.

Good question by the OP, and I have a discussions with my fellow friends and gamblers and we really think that online slots games really suck as far as giving them payout wins as compare when we played in a land base casinos. That is just base on our experiences though.

I support this view of your fellows.  I'm playing  in the land based casinos more than often and have to say that the feeling that comes from the online slot games is not fit to hold a candle to that one which  originates from the physical sensation of handles/buttons on the fruit machines. And another thing, real sounds  coming form the rotated gears and the karma of the slot's pit ...nothing at online gambling may be compared to these.

How about putting on VR helmet and playing slots? Plus putting on hi-end sound system. Will it give same emotions? Or it is like with chips, crunching and rustling sound packaging makes make you want to eat more and more?

Anyway, a lot has been said already, but we barely speak about "what reward, winning amount, slots feature does not suck". What would be OK for free games in slots? If they would give higher rewards? Or increased probability of winning?

The casino gives free spins to people to check their luck but unfortunately, not many people have a good luck in their gambling time. But that will not stops them to continue the games using real money because they are tempting to win some money.
If they realize that free games in online slot game is not suck and that depends on their luck, they will not angry or attract to continue playing but they will stop immediately after the free spins is end. They will not risk their money just to win the games.
After all, that is free spins that may help them to win some money. But if they can not win, that will not be a problem for them.

bonuser are normal
everyone wants it
the thing is that you wouldn't accept a bonus to take hard drugs, right?
treat gambling as a hard drug and you'll probably be fine
most people are only focused on winning and the casinos know that.

A friend of mine plays in a casino that uses a similar ugly interface with a macaque. And the whole point of this character is to make the gambler who loses to this macaque feel offended. It's a shame that the gambler is beaten by an ugly monkey, and he gets angry and loses control of himself. It turns out that this is the perfect way to piss off any gambler. It's a pity that casino owners order such a design without caring about the psyche of players.

There are people  that might be lucky and able to make up some wins and able to withdraw but 99% of them wont really be able to make it out or would be losing those free spins or even with those bonus ones.
We do know that when it comes to this manner then house do always win at the end and there's no way that you could be able to make yourself having that kind of advantage.
Free games are good if you are really that trying out to make some fun and wont really be trying out to spend tons of money for you to have some fun. If you are someone
whose really that easily get that addicted or really that being impulsive then you would really be falling into their trap.

Basically I think it's right to say that free spins are not something that guarantees victory, in the end it's still no different from regular spins, victory can come from anywhere and not only from the free spins you get, for example, as experienced by OP where he was annoyed because lately the free spin bonus was really very bad. In the end as you believe that it all comes back to how lucky you are when playing, and I think the free spin bonus is nothing more than something provided by the casino to attract more gamblers, but it should be part of the fun and not put hope in it. We must immediately return to the fact that casino games are a type of probability game that really depends on your luck.

Between people that loses their bonus and people that won, those that lost are more likely to continue gambling than those that won, that is what I think. There is going to be a feeling that they almost had it, for people that lost and this will make them to deposit money to wager for the same games they were playing. The money casino spend on bonus to attract gamblers has more impact than when they run ads for people to get to know about their casinos. People get attracted to free things and want to gain from it therefore they look for free bonuses from casino and go after them. Some people are lucky to win but many others are not lucky and this make them want to win something from the casino but the end up giving the casino more profits from their losses.

There is no way to be sure unless we took a look at the code or there were enough players like you that were curious about this answer, and they took the time to pool their results and then draw some conclusions from them, however it would not surprise me if your thoughts are correct and this is just a trap to make players spend more money when playing slots, and in that case maybe it is time for you to try to find another game you may like.

I thought this only happen to me because this is exactly my experience with free games too. I have never won something serious with free spin even though I have been offered that many times. Some days I will exhaust my free games without wins only to win with my other bets that I paid for. This make me to feel that maybe it is different algorithm that the casinos use for free bets and for paid bet, although there is no evidence to justify this because there are people who would have won with free bets. It could also be possible that the lack of winning from free bets might be because of the carelessness that follows free bets that is not like that with paid bets.

Free spins and regular spins might be different when it comes to chances of winning as more of us are used to get little to nothing out of those free spins. But still, it's just an assumption as there are rare instances that players do win big on those bonuses or free spins given by the casino. We must also look into the amount of spins that we do on regular compared to the free spins since it can be a factor as to why we feel like we win more on regular than of free spins as the amount of spins we do are far more higher on regular spins. Still, luck is best determining factor since there proofs that people do win on those bonuses.

I agree with this, regarding slot gambling which is very dependent on luck, therefore the free spins given by the casino are one of the advantages for players in their luck factor, it is very rare for anyone to get a big win even though they have received repeated free spins and that is natural because luck will not come at all times, we just have to maintain our own limits so as not to do it excessively which can cause us big problems.
Someone who cannot accept the results of the free spins is disappointing, they will most likely chase victory by betting again and again or maybe doing the buy spin feature continuously, but that does not guarantee that they can win. The opportunity to win is there but you don't know when it will happen, the free spins you get are not a benchmark for players to get a profitable win, because if you are lucky, even without getting free spins, you can get a profitable win.

In addition, many people think that they can get a big win by getting free spins even though it does not guarantee it either, people who hope for free spins will definitely experience emotions with results that tend to be disappointing as you said with the results that can happen are small or even none at all. Very lucky for those who win big with the free spins they have received, because things like this rarely happen because it still involves luck.
I agree with what you said, luck is indeed the main factor that will determine everything, we cannot get definite results even though we manage to get free spins with a high bet amount. Now unpredictable luck can come at any time, even by placing bets with a low amount. However, people who bet large amounts and get big wins are very lucky people.

Yes there is a little difference, but not every time, sometimes the free spins I get really go really bad, and also sometimes when I try to buy a free spin bonus with a capital of $ 20 but the contents in it are not more than $ 5, meaning I lose about $ 15, this incident happens very often regardless of whether you buy it or get it for free through manual spins.
But yes I also agree that there are indeed quite a few who have managed to get a fairly large amount of winnings through free spin bonuses where I have also won maxwin several times.
One thing I will say is that if you feel that you often lose at a type of casino game, or the amount of your losses is much greater than your wins then you should understand that it is very natural considering the casino's advantage and winnings that depend on luck.

This could well be the casino's idea. These guys are thinking 24/7 about how to profit from ordinary gamblers. Moreover, I have encountered online casinos that made the deposit withdrawal window unclear and unusable.
Obviously, casinos do not like when gamblers withdraw money, but they receive commissions from players anyway, so why arrange these unfair games with the interface? I do not understand whether their owners are so greedy, or the design department wants to appear in a better light in front of the management with such ideas.

I will tell you a little about free spins and also the buy free spin feature. Several times I was the one who spammed buy free spins, and do you know what happened? yes on one occasion from all the buy free spins that I did there was no return at all.  :D
This is an experience that we can take that whatever as long as we are not lucky we will not get a win, even though we try several times. The problem is when I play I immediately buy the feature and until my balance is not enough to buy the available feature. Even when I get free spins repeatedly there is no big win.
Yes, indeed in gambling it will return to the luck that we experience when playing.

Are free games in online slot games designed to really suck? Online slot games are designed to make the casino rich that's all.

I think based on my experience there no difference between spins in a normal gamer or in bonus game, you can buy free spin that not actually free in online slot is all based on your luck only maybe the rtp and one or two thing can make different but they designed to make the owner rich. heck if you win just withdraw your initial money  and you to stay play with rest

Suppose it will be that easy. Once you withdraw your initial money and lose the rest, a gambler will possibly deposit back the initial money. That's most of the case when chasing losses or just wanting to try again.

Back to the topic, I seem to understand other online casino tricks. It's not about the slot games, it's about the online casino itself. Just recently I won x2700 in one of the games of Red Tiger, but before I won that, I lost like 2500 too so, I profited just a little. Right now, I am playing again in different slot providers on the same online Casino and I cannot seem to win any. Everywhere I jump the free spins are not coming out for 100 - 200 rolls and sometimes even longer.
That happened to me 3 times now. Last week I lost a total of 3400 in our currency depositing 200 each in different slot games and then I won it back after 3 days of playing in one game.
So, I don't really believe in RTP for every slot provider. It's about how deep your wallet is so that the RTP of the online casino itself will give it back, maybe less or maybe more.

I believe that because I see in this forum, some people have their luck and win huge money. They can also withdraw the money without having a problem so they can enjoy the money. But we should know that free spins can not always gives the huge winning because that will depends on our luck
The house will always win at the end, so no matters how hard we try, we may lose the money. We can against the house and only need to enjoy the game without think about the winning.
Our concern is just how to prevent from playing gambling excessively to save our money.

I agree with you because those who losses their bonus will curious why they can lose even with free spins. They think that free spins can give them huge win but that doesn't like that because free spins still need luck to win.
They must realize that free spins is just part of the games so we can not have a big expectation to win much money. We don't have to feel jealous with people who can win huge money because we will have our time to win.
If they attract with the free bonuses, they must know that gambling will not give that without spend some money. So they should playing gambling using more and more money but the result will not always as we want.

Although free spins is the advantages for players, they must thinks that free spins is just an attraction to them to continue playing gambling and spends more money. If they knows for that, they will not trying to continue after the free spins is end and they will leave the casino without think to try for more.
It is normal if we feel disappointing when we can not win from free spins but that doesn't mean we can continue our gambling activity and chase the winning because that can make us to lose more. We must remember that free spins is not always gives the money so we should treat as part of have fun.
We can win someday so we don't have to playing slot too hard and use more and more money because we realize that slot game will depend on luck.

Though I'm not an expert on things such as RNGs and other stuff, I have always wondered about the same thing. I have observed that when we get free spins from normal spins, we tend to get nothing most of the time, whereas if we buy bonus features, we tend to get better rewards. I have always thought that there must be something behind this, and I also believe that there must be a difference in generating the outcome of the two games in the back-end.

The algorithms must be programmed in a way that they shouldn't reward much when someone wins free spins from normal games but they should get better rewards when they buy spins with money so that they keep buying more bonus features. We know we can't beat the house, but greed is something that makes us do such things all the time.

I agree with what you said, indeed, big wins are based on luck alone that will determine it. In addition, we have our own way of gambling, whether it's buying the buy spin feature or waiting by doing a manual spin. I myself sometimes do it manually, but occasionally when I'm feeling confident I buy the buy spin feature just to try my luck, but the results are not far from disappointing. As far as I can remember, with the buy spin feature that I did, there has never been anything that really satisfied me with the results, I once got a big multiplier and a fairly big win for me, even though it was obtained from free spins that were obtained accidentally because I played manually. I have my own habits where when I am going to gamble, I confidently play a game that doesn't have a buy spin feature, but when the balance starts to run low, I limit it to the number of spin purchases and when the balance reaches the minimum buy spin, I switch games to immediately buy the spin feature. The results are unpredictable, what's not strange is just defeat hahaha ;D

Maybe it only applies to people who have a good mindset, because with a good mindset they will not think that gambling can give them certain benefits, so when the free spins they get end up disappointing them, they will understand it because they know there is no clear certainty that they can win in slot gambling in any way. Even though they use a relatively large bet amount, they will realize that luck cannot be determined by that. For people who have a mindset that they can benefit from gambling, they can be more interested in gambling when they almost win, for example by getting free spins and getting a big multiplier but the end result is a defeat, then they will think about betting again because they feel a little more they will win, and what happens is they chase victory while victory in slot gambling is uncertain.

I can't say for sure, but I'm feeling the same way, OP. Every time I've received bonus spins or anything else, whether that was from a deposit, during signup, or given away at random intervals, they all yielded no returns. I'm not sure if it's a simple coincidence, but it's something I've noticed myself. I understand it's frustrating, but I'm thinking, on the one hand, that nothing is provided free of charge, and it makes sense to not expect any major earnings from a few free spins you were given, but on the other hand, what's the point of "treating" you with a gift that has zero effects?

That is why we must build understanding that gambling can not gives benefits to them and only for have fun in our free time. By realizing that, we will not feels disappointed when we can not win in slot game.
Even if we gets a free spins, we will not complaint if we lose because slot game rely on the luck and no clear uncertainty. We can only enjoy the gift from the casino or by buying the bonus buy and not have a big expectation that when we buy the bonus, that will help us to win.
If they think that buy the bonus will give them a big chance to win, they should be prepare not to get anything or win small amount because the chance will not too big. Winning in slot game will still difficult because that game need luck to win.

And even in land based wherein you will be given a free spin, it didn't yield anything and I haven't seen anyone winning from that free spin. Or even if you used the points in your card to play, somewhat they could detect that they are using your points and maybe it was rigged or the algorithm or RNG has chance.

Anyhow, this could just a way to attract when we initially deposit on casinos and so we are very much attractive to it and continue to play and hope that the free games might give us something. I'm not going to generalized, but maybe majority has the same sentiments as well the free games really suck.

I align with you here and you explained it better than the OP. This is not about the first bonus, subsequent ones or the ones attached to a certain game progress, it is all about paying (consequence) for the casino games. It will always be tricky and will not yield as expected. All casino games, be it Slot games or not, are working similarly in terms of the result and the experience of the players, the more we admit that, the more we will face the reality and they will not bother us much.

As I said in a similar topic reply, all these are luck-based games, they are not designed for us to make anything good out of them, until that lucky moment comes, let us keep trying but not trust anything.

On the one hand, it pisses you off, and you'll call their free spins rigged, but generally, it's best not to jump to conclusions or make assumptions on something we don't have evidence for. As I mentioned earlier, it makes perfect sense why it's not reasonable to expect major returns (or any) from something that's provided free, or as a bonus; it's a trick they use to lure you into betting or depositing more to keep you motivated to spend. In the best scenario, you'll make a few bucks and be proud of yourself, but in reality, you've just fallen into their trap; it was all a part of their plan.
That's my point, having major expectations from luck-based games usually isn't going to have the outcome we'd anticipate, let alone from bonuses such as free spins.

I think you just weren't very lucky with this. In the past, I often played poker and was given bonus free spins. And I want to say that in the beginning, I also constantly couldn't win anything. Time after time, I spun the roulette and slots and the result was always the same - nothing. But one time I got mad and decided to play 1/35 or something like that, I don't remember what it's called, so I won and on my ten dollar bet won almost 350 (of course, there was a casino commission). And they allowed me to withdraw this money.

The lucky spin is just an idea that leans towards advertising, instead of the quiet space that evacuates attention and makes others ignore the appeal of gambling, the free spin allows the surrounding space to be more lively, as long as there is noise and something attractive, a normal person is also willing to be curious to look at it, just such a glance, the advertising level has been successful. And honestly, this spin will always be bad for someone who demands high results, it is just an appetizer to open the senses and passion for gambling

When it comes to gambling, it's all about luck. Some people claim they've hit it big with free spins, while others haven’t had the same fortune—proving that not every gambler gets lucky. And to accept the fact that many win only after facing multiple losses, and that’s just the way the game goes.

Besides, no amount of effort or studying can change the outcome. So, if we get a winning opportunity, we stop thinking of having more because, chances are, the losses will start piling up after that. That is why we don’t hesitate—cash out while we can! 

In deposit bonus spins it seems do not give you large gains because imagine they are offering a hundred of spins and of course, the value of it is like the minimum bet as you keep observing on it, now on the buy bonus they are just offering you a head start multiplier if you hit which can give a good gains too but if not of course there's no assurance that once you bought it already you will win, sometimes takes a lot of chills and deadspins before you hit a return money back or else considered as lose. Its better to have free spins than never this added to give spices to the game.

Make it lively as much as possible and as this kind of business then this would really be that wants to be sparkly as possible and this is where they would really be focusing into.
Using up some free spins or whatever bonuses that they will really be having then its normal that they will offering it out because they will really be trying out to hook up people as much as possible.
So it would really be that understandable that or something that will really be common sense that they would really be that advantage and as a gambler then you should really be that wary for that
then when it comes to this manner. It will really be that just depending on you as a gambler and as long we are really that talking about having some fun then this is something which is really that important

Free games? Cant be considered as a gambling because if we do speak about gambling then its something that  you would really be needing up to risks. You do risks up money to earn something.
If its free then its not something you can called gambling. So it will really be that depending on you whether you would really be getting serious because this is where people do get trapped
and ending up on becoming addicted.

Most people always think that there's something behind such performance for every free spin and not only on free spins but even most times while wagering some money. The truth is that we can not even know when the casino is cheating us and when they are not. Only few people on the forum that I see making positive comment about free spin and bonus.

It's logical, everyone is forced to deposit on the casino, how else are you going to participate? Looking at it from this point of view, it's perfectly sensible for deposit bonuses to suck. Offering a major bonus on every single deposit isn't feasible and it would quickly result in the casino going bankrupt. They don't have to offer you something, but it's nice to receive a free spins just for the sake of the entertainment, even if you receive nothing in return. A domestic casino was providing free spins, no strings attached, with signup, out of 20 or 30 spins, I yielded the great returns of $0.50, which perhaps I could bet on another game and win. Who knows?

I guess op is pointing out a good reason about free spins although I hardly engage in free spins, it’s obvious you can’t win huge or else it must be attached with a deposit money. It’s more like a free win or lose you never paid for so you accept whatever amount in return, It also depends on the game type since we don’t get to win huge with our money talk more of bonus winning. I can’t totally agree with this opinion because I hardly measure my wins aside that I think the casino don’t add much when dealing with bonus.

I am a little confused by your statement, but what the OP said can mean two things, first like what you mentioned and secondly the bonus rounds that we get from several rounds which of course use deposit money to start and get freespins, but if you look at it from your point of view it does make this actually require god-level luck if playing gambling only relies on bonuses from certain events to get free spins.

Yup of course, I think we have to go back to an understanding related to the fact that for casino bookies gambling is a business, on the other hand it is not uncommon for me to find some casinos that provide a few percent bonus when a gambler makes a deposit, but usually the percentage is quite small, and the reason is clear as you said that it is impossible for a casino to give a big bonus while as I said that their goal in making gambling is to make a profit. Bonuses are something we often want in any form, and maybe the casino diverts the bonus to a free spin opportunity, or the intention is to provide an opportunity for every gambler to get free spins without having to spend the amount of money in their balance which is usually no more than 15 spins on each occasion, and one thing that is a big mistake if a gambler puts high hopes on the results of the free spin.

not completely playing slot games, as you said there are certain limits because of factors. slot games are just a sideline when I'm bored with the same page bets. when playing with slot games. I play randomly or new slot games are released, even then it's very rare. I'm more focused on what makes me comfortable or produces with the right statistics over time. all betting efforts must have big and small risks but with a mature attitude to be controlled

Good for you that are able to control yourself when playing slots. Maybe you have not hit a big win in them which would directly make you a really passionate person about them and many other slot players who continue playing slots up to now have definitely hit a huge win me included. The problem is that the slot machines give that huge win once in some years and they eat your money really fast most of the time. That is why I don't suggest you keep playing slots, they are not for most of us, they will rob us of our money most of the time and makes us feel really bad. It is good to play sport bets as I am converting to them slow slow and I see more potential here, less time consuming bets and definitely very hard to get addicted to compared to slots.

As for the bonus games they are designed to suck most of the times and this is definitely not going to change.

In my experience it can really vary between gambling sites - some are generous and others are absolutely stingy with the amount they will ever pay out on free games. I used to play consistently at one gambling site which would pay out almost every other day on free games and did that for a couple years, who know's why they let me get away with it for so long - but eventually it got restricted. Other sites I might have played every day for months but rarely got anything. Ultimately they want people to deposit money and lose it, so they're not going to keep giving away an endless supply back to users without the users spending money.

Some people will tell you that what you use money for its achievement will tend to last more than the one that just comes on a platter of gold, we should know this for that reason, free things are sometime unpredictable and their value may not be as up to to the quality of what we get when we are actually using our own earned personal money for gambling, i don't know what's behind this, but that is how it has been for some time now.

It is true what you said with the understanding that as entertainment then it is likely that we will not feel disappointed when the results of gambling end in defeat, besides that we should be able to accept it because it is likely that the gambling we do ends in disappointment, but with the aim of only entertainment then there is no feeling of disappointment but maybe there is only that it does not affect our emotional feelings because with people whose goal is to seek profit of course they will feel disappointed with the results that occur are defeat and that can make them emotional.
I do not agree if you say Free spin was created to really annoy players, because it is clear that this game involves luck that determines the final result so no matter how gambling is done the results will not be able to make us win for sure, players must be aware of the luck factor not just trying as hard as they can.

If we use gambling as entertainment, we know about the risk that we can get in anytime so we will always prevent the risks becomes big. Playing gambling is like spend your money in other thing that you will not regret because you realize that need money to have fun.
So when you lose the money, you will not too disappointed or regret because you already realize that should happen and you should manage your money that you want to use to playing gambling. You will not chase the win in slot game or other gambling games because that can make you lose more money.
Many times we see people trigger to continue playing many slot gams after they lose in free spins and that because their curiosity becomes high. They think that with playing for more can recover their losses with making some profit but that will not always happen because slot game need luck to win.

Not always, or I mean the result of the free spin bonus round does not always end up being annoying, and the point is that the result is always random in the sense that the free spin bonus can give you some wins but it is also very possible to make you end up disappointed when it turns out that the spin bonus runs very badly, but overall, don't expect too much, because after all, something bad must happen much more often than tempting results.

On the other hand, I see that most gamblers who make casino games their favorite game are really obsessed with the name of the free spin bonus and sometimes there are also some of them who are willing to make several deposits just to chase the free spin bonus through manual spins, the mistake is that they are not aware that the free spin bonus does not always guarantee victory.

sometimes jealous seeing friends playing slots win big to want to imitate playing hoping to win big, but it's all upside down can't be compared to friends. ever win big while playing slots even though it's only once and not as big as other friends. but all gamblers will go through a phase where we will win from different pages or like having our own advantages to get luck. the slot addict phase that I have experienced is indeed very surprising out of control

This isn't completely true, there are people who had free money come their way and were able to use it well enough to get the very best off the money and today they have got investments they did made off the free money, so it's not all the cases that free money literally gets squandered without making something good off it, but then your idea does play out some times a d not always.