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Thanks... a nice to read with a coffee :)

regards!

Favourite quote:

"We’re constantly burning newcomers to the scene in the name of short-term profit. Every day this continues we’re destroying the chance of turning this million dollar industry into a billion (trillion?) dollar industry in the next five to ten years."

Yeah a great quote, such a true statement.

BRAVO!!!

get ready before u start reading grab a large cup of coffe and sit on the couch this is worth it

the analysis is perfect i do agree to almost everything

part 2.8 about POS is where i think we as a community must have a reflection

personnaly i think POS is the better option for one reason interest i dont like having my cash in the bank a 0% interest and as far as im concerned that what keep me looking at my HBN wallet every day.

HBN is overkill but a 5-7 % annual rate is not and it help stabilized the market and prevent dump

IMO we are trying to create a currency we have to look at the bank and see what is important to keep customer interested in their service nobody ever talk that we might need loan one day and as a noble holder i might be able to provide that service but i must have noble to do that.  the fact that i never sold my hobo its because it reward me but if i need something like an asic and they accept hobo i will use them

thats my opinion

I welcome the change and will support noble time will tell

Just finished it.

Pretty powerful read, I even learned some stuff!

I have a good amount of feedback that I'll try to provide in the upcoming days on this.

Overall, this was very well organized and provided nice insight. Some sections could be beefed up and some of the arguments aren't as cogent as they could be; however, there are many valid points brought up in this paper. This was a really solid read.

I found myself taking away the same things James. An extremely powerful article and even for someone who's been around the scene for maybe half a year will still gain some beneficial knowledge.


Definitely, additions are definitely going to be coming!

This was a good read and worth the time.
Ideas for improvements:
Add a few graphics showing average coin life, # of coins released in last year etc.
Add graphics showing the standard expected value adjustment when a coin hits a major exchange ( this has been mitigated since we have a ton of random exchanges now)
Add a small bio for each of the more vocal community members. :-)

Good luck.

What a read! Will proabbly reference this when introducing a newbie to alternative cryptocurrencies, or recognizing trends in coins, or algos. Very helpful!

Just finished reading. Excellent informing and eye opening.

Cryptorush just tweeted no trades on all relevant coins until KGW patch implemented....

Just to add, is there a concise explantionnof the mining and pool inner workings anywher??

This was a great read. It puts the whole crypto-community and crypto-world into perspective and was spot on. I appreciated it and know that many, many others will as well if they take the time to read it. To me, this proves more than anything that the team behind the Noblecoin Movement is second to none.

Why am i seeing people with noblecoin in their signatures posting nice things about this

Because we were the 1st ones to read it seeing as it was released on our thread by our dev initially.

So now you read it with nothing NOBLE in your sig and you can post nice things about it as well.

nice, i love NOBL.

Hmm, looks like the dev has put in a lot of time in it. Will read in free time

The document amazed a number of my friends not involved in NOBL... Good sign!

Indeed, a great read.

Anyway, I expect very broad range of reactions .... from applause and bows, through meaningful silence, to open attacks and even fury.


A funny idea came to me now — this document should be available to the newcomers on every new ANN thread with every new coin.
As an informative guide.

Then, if the dev team removes that post... or react otherwise, the crowd would know a little bit more about that particular dev team and about possible scenarios for that particular coin.

+1 :)

+1 keep 'em honest

Haha that's an interesting idea now isn't it?

Haha, I also think (edit: seriously) I should change my signature into something NOT indicating I'm a Noble supporter.

This is not the first time that people judge us only because of the sigs.

Ideas?

I love "Such WOW" but is not very informative ;)

Well worth a read (even if I am currently mining Noble).

As a reasonably new person on the Crypto scene I wish this had been available before I invested money into hardware.

I just hope enough people read this so that the scene settles down behind some solid coins with honest devs, rather than jumping from one scam coin to the next, which rarely benefits the individual miner but does allow a few individuals the chance to make a lot of money.

Hear hear. It's def worth a read, especially if it helps people new to the scene choose a worthwhile coin to support, doesn't have to be Noble, just not a scam or pump n dump.

I'm excited to read through it. I probably won't be able to get to it for another week or two thanks to work and finals, but it's high up on my priority list.

28 pages is a little long to read.

Hopefully in this PDF, the Noblecoin guy mentions somewhere that every single Litecoin clone (ie: same hashing algo) except Litecoin itself, and Dogecoin, is going straight to 0 if he wants to be truthful, and even Dogecoin isn't that safe.

Yes it is indeed, but idea is only idea - steps must be taken! :)

I for one see myself as a newcomer in the scene of cryptos, and I would've loved to had this kind of "introduction" available some moths ago.

I highly recommend everyone to read this document.

Good document overall. I spotted a couple of typos and such, but overall it was a nice job.

I have a small amount of Noble, but don't really have high hopes it'll ever amount to much. Strangely I see the Noble Marketplace doing a lot better than the coin will.

Why? Because they were there first? Who says that Doge or Litecoin won't go the same as Worldcoin?

It is all this negativity that this document is trying to stop. It doesn't help anyone, especially the altcoin arena as a whole.

We all just need to get on and accept each coins individual merits if we are going to get through this, because even Bitcoin isn't immune.

Because common sense?  A clone of the original that offers nothing new will not be regarded pleasantly by anyone.

But surely a coin should be evaluated on all of its merits, rather than just technical ones?

There have been plenty of coins that whilst being a technically sound idea, e.g. quark, but without the community and new ideas they have come to nothing.

Read the document, it will make some things clear.

Edit: and yes I know that makes me sound like a preacher

Feedback both positive and negative are always nice to see, it sparks some good debates :D I think what Noble is doing differently is creating a surrounding ecosystem for the coin to be used for more than just trading on the open market for a profit or loss. You can see it with the marketplace and the growing list of merchants adopting NOBL as an individual currency. This is allowing holders to purchase products online with NOBL like you would with the USD. Once the marketplace is out of beta with full features such as allowing users to buy/sell their own items with the crypto currency of their choosing, you will see communities built between coins to benefit each other as well as NobleCoin.(12% discount when buying items with NOBL will entice users to exchange their BTC to NOBL before purchasing, ultimately driving the demand for NOBL upwards hopefully affecting the price in a positive manner)

Very nice! Been waiting for this and will read it all when I have time! :)

I have to disagree with this in general. I think that there will always be a demand for a "alternatives" for various reasons. Whether it be market competition, personal appeal, or varying “utility,” I can see room for many different coins.

Even for coins that share the same algorithm, in terms of a market space, it seems that there will always be places for them. Sure we can make the argument that it purposelessly fragments the market, but market fragmentation is pretty much a given in so many different things and it seems to work just fine. (We could additionally get into issues about the perceptions of monopolization and so forth, but that can be saved for some other time.)

That said, from a security standpoint and aside from merged mining, it’s pointless to have more than one coin running the same algorithm without some sort of “exterior” defense from attacks. So serious consideration must be made in this regard.

As a side note, 28 pages is not really all that much. Hell, during university there were times I would have to read upwards of a 100+ pages a day. In my current work, myself and many of my peers have to read documents of tens of thousands of words.

I think that this quote would look very attractive on the landing page of Noblemovement, or maybe on a poster.

What Differentiates Noblecoin?

It's the essence of one of Noble's strong points :)

reading now :) I know it'll be good since Rofo is involved

I'll talk to Rofo about it!

I've gotten this far and this needs a rewrite. I'll see what I can come up with tomorrow unless someone else would like to expound and elaborate on this.

I found this a really useful read and I encourage everyone who is new to the alt coin scene to check it out.

Nice read!

It is good to hear people who aren't connected to Noble saying good things :)

Tell me about it haha :)

Yesterday, when I tried to recommend the doc on certain irc channel, I got only one reply:

Good stuff! As a relative (4 months) newbie, I found it very interesting.

is this the same noble that had a huge premine. dare i say one of the first premined coins of 2014?

Yes, but the whole point in Noble is that the premine is completely transparent. The wallets are public and everything that the premine gets spent on is made available to see.

Nothing that has been achieved could have been done without the premine.

I think that before you judge us, give the doc a read, it is good stuff and applies to cryto as a whole  :)

I'm not sure what you mean by "huge" but you can find all first hand info there:
https://www.noblemovement.com/a-history-insight-into-noblecoin-long/
(keyword: premine)

And there:
https://www.noblemovement.com/public-ledger/

I hope this helps to clarify a bit.

Everyones itching to tear noble a new one, dont think they belive there is any honest alt coin,  everything must be a scam.... sad...

Yeah.
But, instead, trollboxes became the most valuable source of reliable information.
Or the the most reliable source of valuable information?

Yes, it is a nice analysis indeed.
Won't lie, I did not expect this from NOBL. Thank you, I am continuing to hold.

Yes the fact that EVERYTHING that NOBLE has done has been transparent is enough alone to make you want to read something from a team with such integrity.

Great read.

I dont know the future of this coin but it seems to me that those who mined it early are going to be very happy in the near future.

Marketplace that actually works, open and honest devs, coming bullion... top notch guys, good work.

If the premine was for dumping it would have been dumped when he price was over 100 don't you think?

Some people just have no cognitive thinking ability.

You mean when it was over 300 on coinmarket.io? Yeah that would have been the time.

The premine was worth $485,000 in January and the wallet balance didn't move. If that doesn't spell legitimacy from the founder of this coin then I don't know what does.

People stepping over dollars to pick up a penny is nothing new. Especially here

Explain how that is relevant here please?

+1 does that mean your opinion is the dev should have not "stepped over dollars" and dumped at speculative price?  ???

I would like to hear the explanation of this too.

iGotSpots, do you mind, please?

Good read, thanks for this.

Quite the opposite, actually


Was referring to that. People stifling long term profits for short term gains

Cool, in a nutshell, fiat greed in the blue nowhere..... :(

Let be different then....  For whatever coin/moral we hold.... ;)

Lol forgot it was that high! Thx for the correction. Got RMA in today as well as bunch of other shit came up. To damn busy so not sure I have time for that rewrite if someone would take a stab at it. to the top.

Ah now I see where you're coming from. I was confused there for a second :p

Yes, I know my vague comments are often misinterpreted. However, in this case, I agree with the quoted sentiment. If people stopped fucking each other for $100 here and $20 there, we could all make (tens of? hundreds of?) thousands together later

This is so well thought out and informative!!!  Respect!!!

you hit the nail on the head there...

It's nice to see all the support the article is getting, I think some people are getting fed up with all the garbage coins coming out of the woodworks left and right.

Yup, it is great to see so many positive comments  :)

thanks to the OP for the heads up, as a relative noob, it's good to see someone try to educate folks before the fucking begins ::)

And for anyone who says this noblecoin is just a clone, think about what you are saying. The clone is only relative to the technical structure of the coin. Last I checked, LTC had a pretty good structure. What people do not seem to understand is that it's not about the underlying code but the foundation that the devs and community lay that is going to decide the fate of the coin.

Irrespective whether you like noble or any other alt-coin, don't be deceived by the "clone" comment. Do just 5 minutes of logical and critical thinking and see what that coin is all about and then make your choice as to what you will get involved in.

But quite frankly, I would be behind the dev that wrote this piece, even if I was a noob to crypto coins simply because if the insight and foresight that this article brings.

When did LTC get a Transaction comments Feature?

Touche... Even more disproving of the "clone" notion.

I skimmed over it.. It was informative but when you really get down to it, the crypto currency scene is being ran just like the fucked up Wall Street pump and dump scene.

you have over inflated vaporware stocks that are pretty much shit and only get noticed due to the volume of automated computer trading going on and then you got the worthy stocks that no one gives a shit about because they're not allowed to go into the computer automated trading queues.  

truth is when the central bankers decide to come out with their own form of crypto currency, everything that is out now will be instantly turned to shit and we will all be bag holders.

It appears the author seems to follow a lot of what ~BCX~ and his fucking minions had to say about AUR. Every fucking simpleton that followed their advice stayed out of the AUR market and it's lost subsequent value. Never mind that all the shit talk about the airdrop and the KGW exploit never did anything to it.. Nobody is interested in investing in it, mostly because it's been shit talked about for so long that now no one is even remotely interested in it.. Except for the few that want to micro pump and dump it for fun..  

It's basically the same fucking mentality that I have to deal with as an Alternative Energy researcher and developer...  `Why the hell do we want to support something like that when nobody else is willing to get behind it either!!!!' God damn fucking herd mentality these days... dump! dump! dump! dump!! Same mentality is why BTC is fucking now sub $500.

I do agree with this except that BTC is dropping mostly due to the ASIC warehouses dumping everyday.

A great read and a real eye-opener: I saved it in my desktop so I can read it more than once. Sadly but all-too-truly, most of the points therein won't sink in unless you've been burned.

For anyone who is interested in getting into NOBL I am doing a small giveaway!

http://www.reddit.com/r/CryptoCurrency/comments/2296nb/giving_away_1000_noblecoin_to_my_next_50_twitter/

just finished reading very nice read and do agree on the constant forking to newest ideas without testing and trying them first. A majority of Rofo's points are spot on I will continue to support noble as I have from day one :)

I've had a small soft spot for Noble since it's launch, always had a feeling it would bring something good to the table.

This is an important document, read it.

http://www.noblemovement.com/downloads/TheStateofAlternativeCryptocurrency-D1.pdf

Especially if you're a newcomer to crypto, this .pdf could save your life. (or at least some dolla' ) 

Exactly.

And after reading, forward it - tell your friends BEFORE they involve in crypto.

This document will be expanded upon in the future.

Funnily enough the docs rather boring and scratches merely the surface, just like some naive person who's only read the forum, maybe twitter for some extra.

The rabbit hole goes alot deeper round here, scam under scams that have never been exposed, some of the legit coins and devs are the biggest scammers.

Many enemies here are actually allies, many are one in the same.

Pumpers lol those twitter noobs are rank amateurs compared to "the channel"........maybe fontas listened in on third hand info about the channel but even he never really pumped, the group within the channel, are big enough to manipulate ltc, btc etc...and have been around long before these alts.

And as for trading most the large trans aren't done on the exchanges you guys see.

You really need to dig a tad deeper.

I'd love for you to share your insights with me privately. It's 15,000 words of the planned total of 100,000. With a policy of no names and the fact I'd rather not make too many enemies or appear to be attempting to police rather than inform the new guys (our coins been crippled enough as it is acting as we do). I understand it goes a lot deeper and there are a number of players, deals, services, groups etc. I've left out for obvious reasons. That sort of info. is not something I'd even like to hint at especially since there is very little solid evidence or even public hints of (on forums, twitter or otherwise). Draft #1 like I said - if you want to share happy to chat.

Well the little obvious penny scams and pumps offer a welcome little distraction for those planning the bigger games. Many here don't seem to realise the size of all this, and what that sort of money really attracts.

Many here think that this forum is the center of the crypto universe, its far from it.

If you two team up, you could team-write quite the exposé.

Like the article guys? tweet about it, post it on reddit, Facebook :)

I liked it

Truth and information is the most powerful tool in the world. This is just the beginning.

I have had you on ignore (you got quoted) but you are correct somewhat. As has been asked please elaborate.

Great statement.

Inherently there is so much that has already happened in the short amount of time that crypto-currencies have been around that it would take much more to even get a reasonable fraction of everything that is around this scene.

It would be nice to have an exposé to dig in the to market-manipulation that has existed since large-scale trading had started with the advent of the major exchanges in 2010-2011; but for something that focuses more on alt-currencies the fact remains that most of the action has centered around the forum, twitter, IRC and on the exchanges themselves.

Yes, the price of bitcoin has been greatly impacted by things outside of that scope, but that story should be bucketed with an in-depth analysis of the bitcoin scene.

[Heck, in the bitcoin scene, there has been well-established arbitrage, options, and derivatives practices that much of the goings on are not captured in these forums despite there being a plethora of information already in that sub-forum.]

Very good intro, although I only skimmed the Noblecoin-specific part at the end.

One minor correction: the doc refers to time warp attack as theoretical possibility that has not been really carried out, which is not the case.
Please see
Terracoin attack, July 2013
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=261986.0
Sunny King's analysis
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=167493.0

Thanks YarkoL, I'll be reading that and incorporating it into the doc. Appreciate your comment.

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Just a response to this, regarding the pump and dumps, you may want to include the elements of liquidity impacting the severity of a pump. Properly planned illiquidity ends ups burning both miners and early buyers on a “larger” exchange. One of the more common examples of this is how certain coins strategically limit initial liquidity and follow it up with a quick initial pump when released on a “larger” exchange. This is usually followed up with an increased release of coins (due to increased liquidity as everyone tries to get in on the initial sells), and a lot of these people end up selling it for amounts significantly lower than the first spike. This is usually when a pumper can buy back in for a much lower price. From here a second much more prolonged spike occurs in which the pumper strategically sells the remainder of the coins. In terms of market manipulation, the first wave burns the miners and the second wave burns the buyers who think they’re “getting a good deal.”

Additionally, as a follow up to major market price setting, there are also lots of back-alley deals that occur in the crypto-currency world still yet and there is a lot of buying that happens not on an exchange. However, that said, it seems that this current wave of alt-coins are mostly done via the more “normal” channels as a lot of the profiteering space has been fragmented by relative “newcomers.” A lot of the more massive manipulation has drifted back to being done with more established coins as it gets more and more difficult to do this with a new coin because of various factors (trust being one of the biggest factors). There were a few that happened with this wave, but proportionally speaking, it wasn’t as much as the waves in the middle of 2013 or during 2012.

Well said, A prime example of this is Doge Dec-Jan. Also if you found that info for me send me a PM will ya?

Well said brother.

It really fries me try8ng to keep up with the scams and schemes.

If the skills and knowledge where used for actual support of a coin it would go places....

More information for readers to come!

Can't wait! :)

Thanks!

Agreed! Keeping this up top on the forum so everyone has a look!

The document will also soon be expanded to include an even deeper understanding of the behind-the-scenes of the crypto-world.
Another example of why Noble is the way to go... SSL but found, 24 hours later the team has an updated wallet. I'm telling you, Noblecoin is the way to go!

A very interesting read indeed. I actually look forward to many waves of currencies coming out, each one usually brings new things to the table. For example many new algorithms have popped up as a result of the many coins being released everyday.

Yeah...it's clear that the bursting of the altcoin bubble has led to more would-be devs trying to differentiate their coin by real coding work, in some cases by coding a completely new protocol from scratch. The days of easy money from clonecoins are over, at least for now. If enough real devs get in to the IPO game, they'll raise the bar and set a de facto standard that all IPOs will be expected to meet. Unfortunately, this'll have the unintended consequence of scams whose con artists use silver-tongued words that promise innovations with no intent to deliver. But as more and more scams play out, there'll be more and more red flags that'll show the "mark" of an iffy project. More and more, the scam-warners will be able to explain why a project is dubious instead of just shouting "scam!" That's what having a real database of scams and swindles lets us do.

And also, any real dev will feel more pressure to differentiate himself from the scams and crapcoins by adding real innovations and/or a solid marketing plan. Even, mirable dictu, spending a couple of weeks testnetting before bringing his great idea to the Announcements subforum.  ;)

In the post-bubble atmosphere, the IPO bar really is being raised.

Agreed everything is being done right with NobleCoin. How long can it be ignored?

Oh yeah, the real database is the way to go. The problem is "anonymity" that every dev can come back under new nickname and have "clean account". I don't really see any way to track persons and their identities....

Yeah, but even anonymous people like that have "behaviour patterns", as the cops used to say. The more experience with scams we have, the more evident those behaviour patterns will be in real time when the next scam gets rollin'.

Myself, I'm more finicky than most here: I tend to hoard the word "scam" like some people hoard their cybers  :) For someone like me, it would be good to see a breakdown between "scam," "flaky," "Utopian/unrealistic," "accident waiting to happen," "flash in the pan," "bad investment" and so on. But for now, "scam" has gotta do.

Yeah its tough sometimes to decipher a scam, but I usually look to see if they are a trusted member of the bit coin talk community, brand new accounts are big hint number one.

Back to the top

Rofo, I would like to argue this bolded point. I believe you have come to this conclusion without considering all the facts.

I would argue that a coin that hard forks when a ASIC is created will become ASIC safe because It takes much more time effort and capitol to create an ASIC than to hard fork. Therefore once a coin shows it has the desire and the will to morph away from an ASIC then ASIC development will stop as the ASIC developers will not reach ROI and will either quit or move to another algorithm. That is a matter of economics.

The first coin that does this will set a precedent and a model that could make ASIC a thing of the past. As LTC was supposed to be (originally cpu only) it really should be the first coin to do this. But it is obvious the Will is not there and LTC will become just another alt that in my opinion will stagnate with time into oblivion. This last statement is my opinion and lets not get sidetracked on that argument.

In in twelve months do you see ASIC's becoming more or less popular Huerisitic?

back to the top for the people who still haven't read it!

gimme a break.. you guys paid people to make meme's as a giveaway, when giveaways are against the rules.
never mind the fact that meme's are dumb and childish and you want to put a SERIOUS little lecture out ? spare me...
i won't even waste my time digging for more your a joke and the scam coin is a joke..
oh and here is the paying people for memes topic from page 3..
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=555372.0

getting to be quite the little trend now scammers trying to pretend to be all Noble now.. gimme a fucking break
i'm not buying it..

how about don't post scammy clone coins ? has that occurred to you guys ?

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If you did any research at all you would know you are talking big crap. The contests were sponsored by the community, not paid by the dev.

Thanks for the bump.

You can't win with Spoetnik. At first I respected his criticism and speaking out against everyone.

Then he pointed his finger at me, so I listed my personal social media details, Australian Business Number (ABN), CoinPayments feedback, public ledger, and told him he could be the first to have the second-hand dealers license scanned and copied.

He still name-drops us everywhere as an anonymous scammers coin, so I gave up.

The fact I didn't dump the coin when it was worth $100,000+ worth of liquidity didn't seem to help make my case either. *shrug*

Edit: This 'noble trend' started in the first week of January, don't blame us for the fact it's been taken to extremes and used to sucker people in with other coins.

^ trust issues, bad childhood, possibly schizophrenia... For someone to say something like this at this point is truly funny. What an idiot troll.

John Stienen = face of the spoetnik foundation... is that you john? come talk to us after you brush those teeth because you are making this whole forum reek of idiocracy and misinformation.
http://john.stienen.nl/john/muumi/pictures/john.gifhttp://www.aegeegoldentimes.eu/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/JohnStienen.jpg?eb2dbb

i like how you said,


but he we were first so we're LEGIT  ::)

Exactly! If you have the stomach for it, being the house "critic" is an easy ride. No-one keeps an accurate track record of how your "criticism" panned out; anyone inclined to do so will instead ignore you. Ignoring's a lot easier than spending the time and labour necessary to compile an accurate track record.

I have to hand it to the global-warming promoters: they came up with a new trick that got around the "issue" that felled their predecessors back in the '70s-'80s. Instead of making predictions that can be verified in real time, they make predictions that can't be checked because they're so far off in the future. Predicting doom as of 2100 is a perfect loophole around the Popper criterion because such predictions are falsifiable in the abstract but impossible to check because no-one old enough to understand them here will be alive when the magic year arrives.

There's even more delight in the "critic" ecosystem. Case in point: the "Precautionary Principle." It's ostensibly common-sensical: one needs knowledge of logic to see that it's just a slicked-up version of the Slippery Slope fallacy.

Yep, it's an easy ride if you have the stomach for it. The only downside is that normal people tend to unconsciously deprecate critics vis-à-vis doers. That fact, I should disclose, is precisely why you need a certain stomach to be a "critic."

Lol at this guy. "Scammers trying to be noble" you really haven't looked into NobleCoin at all have you? NobleCoin has been one of, if not the only honest altcoin to come out since January. If this coin was a scam it would have died at the beginning of february when the premine(transparent and still visible to everyone) would have been offloaded for over $250,000. I can't even try take you seriously.

Edit: Spoetnik isn't even a critic... He's just some guy running around spewing out misinformation.

Thanks, did you like everything else I said? Or will you conveniently ignore it to keep trolling.

In regard to Spoetnik, I have yet to see him actually like one thing in this entire forum ... besides I think VertCoin. And of course that is a coin he holds.

I suppose in some people's minds they think if they spread fud all over the place, those coins will suffer, and people will instead then invest in something more established. It doesn't work that way of course, but I guess it's one of the few logical reasons people post like that.

And 'scam' is so overused a term in this forum that it's silly at this point. People just throw it out whenever they don't like a coin, any new coin, coins that lose them money ... well, basically anything they feel like. I don't think those who yell 'scam' repeatedly realize that intelligent reasoning would work so much better than trolling all over the place.

Or perhaps they just enjoy trolling and it doesn't matter to them.

HEY ! ..be quiet i am the smart one here !

You guys hang around every scammy clone coin topic.. the same old clone defenders calling people a troll.
You guys can't listen to reason, logic or common sense. I think your by definition dumb and disturbingly gullible.
or shell accounts playing games.. as i've said thousands of times by now probably.

i am always right and it makes you scam supporters mad !

saying that "you can't win with me" is actually pretty accurate.. you kids won't, your out of your league  ;)

and saying something like that is a poor retort ..if you have some technical excuse for this clone coin being legit for us all by all means let's hear it..

insulting me won't make your fucking faggy shit coin clone seem legit ..sorry lol
ohhh but but he just a a a a a just a.... H a t e r
liek omgzbbq11 he's just Troll
liek omg!!!1 he just Jealous..

ya it's science from the smart guys lol

here let me speak to you little kids in a way you will understand.. Reddit / 4chan style ;)

https://i.imgur.com/zVDez.jpg





















edit:

by the way i went and looked and guess what ?

some one do the math for me.. %2 of 15 billion.
yup 2% premine on a scrypt clone coin



scam coin dev making lectures


stfu scammer period .

you got some nerve buddy..

If none of the bigger volume coins protect themselves against them then they will rule and the hash will be in a small majority much worse than BTC. LTC will go into a downward spiral.


You haven't put him on ignore yet? I did so long ago I forgot his name until you mentioned him. Fuck haters. You have nothing to explain. Have a beer and ignore the douchbag.

ya i'm a big hater.. i pointed out how a masked shadowy spammer made ANOTHER clone coin with a premine. lol
ohhh yeah i'm a big monster hahhaa ..riiiiiight
change icon and name and premine and it and pump and dump.. ya i'm the bad guy.. gimme a break lol
i should be ignoring you guys and i usually do actually i let you guys get away with far too much as it is ..you should be grateful ;)

You keep talking, nobl keeps rising

http://www.linkedin.com/profile/view?id=95048320&trk=nav_responsive_tab_profile

http://abr.business.gov.au/SearchByAbn.aspx?abn=92119945303

https://www.noblemovement.com/feedback/

https://www.noblemovement.com/public-ledger/

No you're not a "hater" you are delusional and a bitter person because of some bad childhood experience no doubt.

how is that on-topic and how does that make your coin legit ?

i don't like Spoetnik so that means my clone coin is awesome !!!

well then, it's official i guess hahaa
i stand corrected.

This user is currently ignored.

Don't waste your breath, he's a Retard and quoting him makes it worse.

Good call,

lets get back on topic!

This is great stuff.

Where can I find other stuff written by devs like this?

Short answer... you won't. That's why Noblecoin is truly "better" in a calculated sense. The devs and community are real and really support each other. They are not fly by night scam artists or temporary bandwagon members. So what comes out of the Noble community is going to be quality and helpful for all the crypto-coin world.

GREAT document!
Thanks!!

Version two announced!

https://twitter.com/NobleCoin/status/460260599100755969

Great! Waitin' for the pdf link to go live...

Great news! Version one was a great read :)