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Looks legit enough. I wish you luck with this and hope you don't turn into a scam.

Started! Let's do this, nice looking website.

Also, is last payout 200%? According to your transaction tab it seems so.

I guess he forgot to put it on the main page, but yeah, last one is 200%, its in the FAQ.

Thanks :)

This is making me realize how much better dogecoin is for this kind of thing. 1 minute block time means fast confirms, and the fee is usually 1 Doge, which is worth 0.000001BTC.

Oh and only one person lost so far (sorry, whoever you are!), not bad!

Hey DjPxH,

 How about paying what you owe to your lenders on BTCJam before you go gambling? That would be great.

Thanks for the bump but please keep unrelated conflicts out of this thread. That would be great.

Round 1 is over Round 2 begins in 20 minutes!

Looks promising, will test it  ;D

Rounds are starting to get bigger :) Will try some more advertising to see how to make it Huge.

The ratios seem proper so not too many people lose.

New BTC and Doge Rounds are tonight 30 minutes after the end of current rounds.
For BTC check http://btcpile.com and for DOGE check http://ponzidoge.com

One of the players who never lost decided to share his tips
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=520223.msg6501402#msg6501402

For BITCOIN IMPORTANT ... make sure you have the recommended fee for bitcoin set if you are sending from console or it will cause delays in your payout!
Go to Bitcoin-QT - > Preferences -> Wallet -> Transaction Fee to "0.0001"

Basically to open console
1. Open Bitcoin QT the go to Help -> Debug Window -> Console

2. Unlock wallet in console  (time out is in seconds) (Remove the <  > )
walletpassphrase <passphrase> <timeout>

3. Use send to address to send coins
sendtoaddress <bitcoinaddress> <amount>

Question....if we are trying to get last deposit does it count at time transaction is sent or time it is confirmed? say you send but it doesnt confirm until new round starts?

Assuming it is done the same way as ponzidoge, he doesnt go by the confirmations, when the round starts you can see the transactions on the page pretty much immediately, and they don't get reordered after being confirmed, so it must only go by when his server sees the transaction hit the network. I can't think of how he even could go by confirm times, would that just go by the order that it actually appears in the confirmed block if you look at it with a hex editor?

we go by time recieved from the network... ie even non confirmed. As long as we recieved it before round end. But we will only send once it is fully confirmed.

Cool, tried it out with 0.1 BTC and received 0.11 back about 45 minutes later.

Pretty neat game.  :)

Awesome! It works :) just deposited 0.0111 as a test got around 0.0125 back.

it definitely works!

the 0.3 BTC question is though: how many people will lose, and when will the deposits stop coming and the payouts stop leaving?  ;D

over 6BTC through in the last 5 hours - that means 0.6BTC of the most recent investors will lose thier shirts (other than the one who snipes last)

The upside is also greater for those who play with .3BTC because they get a .03BTC win!
Its just like any gambling game. Do not gamble with what you can not afford to lose.  I am guessing that the guys who play .3BTC can afford it since it is in their BTC wallet.

the coindesk article probably helped :)

Yea, that kind of advertising can't be bought!
http://www.coindesk.com/things-alt-ponzi-schemes-blackcoin-usbs-time-warp-attack/

This game rules ive made over a whole BTC!!!!

That means some lost a whole BTC because of you lol. :D

Me and a friend were #1 and #2, and watched in horror as a minute went by with no other deposits. Boy how that turned around!

Wow over 100Deposits :) Only 3rd round. Need to buy more advertising.

did you? about 10hrs ago it seemed like i was competing directly with 1 or 2 players who would drop all the new 'deposits' every time a block solved and thier previous winnings returned.

I made a nice tidy profit and walked away - every single 'investment' returned and the ones since have been sitting unpaid for some time :P

coindesk article did it - you just need to be mentioned by news sites and the crowds will come

Hello forum, my first post :)
will definitely be in btcpile for the next round.
Just a quick question, correct me if i am wrong, perhaps i don't get it:
Just read through the archive (first round of the game):
shouldn't there have been money left for deposit #12 to get out 110%? I mean, 0.55658 btc in total got in and 0.477259 btc in total were paid out, difference is 0.079321 btc. Enough to pay #12 its 0.077?

best wishes and cya next round!

Don't forget we take a 5% fee for running the game. It also helps to pay the last deposit 200%.

So is it a total of 15% of the total deposited that is not returned? Perhaps you could be a little more clear about exactly how much won't be paid out every round?

Its all stated on the website 10% goes to the first guys in!
5% goes to us some of which will be used to pay the 200% return. (Sometimes we turn off the fee to speed up the round)
Its all on the website... if you read it... then you would not have these questions :)
http://btcpile.com/faq


We have been running http://ponzidoge.com for more then a month and its pretty clear with repeated warning telling people that its a game.

Well, to put it in a nicer way, you have to process it from  the beginning, and not work backwards.
It works by having a little bank, and people only get paid if there is money in it. What threw me was not counting the 5% fee, and that is taken right out of the deposits first.
I keep nagging poncrytpo to have more stats on there, like a column that shows the balance at each line so people can see more clearly that it is adding up, otherwise people will think there is something wrong when glancing at it. Looking at the previous round, #101 didn't get paid their 0.3BTC even though there was 3.1BTC of deposits after them. Without that extra info it looks really bad!

now i got it. thx for the 10% by the way :)

I gotta get focused... coffee is not doing it anymore.. We should have more round info. I need to slightly redesign the database schema... but like with all financial stuff it must be carefully tested before going into production.

40 minutes with not BTC block... insanity

Thanks for the explanation poncrypto :)

One question -- is there something wrong with the game timer? The cycle began at 7:30 PM EST and it hasn't been an hour yet but the game timer shows more than 1 hour 10 mins already having elapsed.

The timer is based on your computer's clock. It says 22 hours 47 minutes for me right now.

Not sure what my computer's clock has to do with it though. The cycle started at 7:30 PM EST. It is now 8:15 PM EST. About 45 minutes have passed. The game clock shows there being 22 hr 45 mins remaining meaning the game clock claims that 1 hour 15 minutes have passed. The game clock is about 30 minutes off.

clock is correct as one game round is 23:30h not 24h

To help people calculate the rounds, someone made a spreadsheet for the ponzidoge game, and you can use it for this one.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=520223.msg6078277#msg6078277

It has to be modified since it was 120% payout back then, so anywhere you see 1.2 in the forumulas, change it to 1.1. It also doesn't account for the last one being double.
I updated all of that on my google docs, I just made a copy of that with the last round all filled in,
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/17TVXUJG5UaTVHjkPzUUpJ34gpj0MUCWmm_rnjrucdO4/edit?usp=sharing

Thank you wil!

So the game is not actually 24 hours its 23hours 30 minutes. That is where the confusion comes from. If it was 24 hours and 30 minutes before game end and game start then we would keep moving time forward 30 minutes every day...

Let me know if that explains it. I will correct it on website after.

Here is my to do list (No promises when I get to it)
1. Change from 24 hours to 23:30
2. More Round Stats + Balance
3. Try to pass server time from server so computer clock is not used
4. All Time Stats

Just curious, is coinbase a wallet that is compatible with this site?

It would not work to my knowledge. Blockchain wallet however should work(but test with a small amount).

Maybe this is a good reason to dowload bitcoin-qt since it is better to hold your bitcoins by yourself.

That makes sense, ill look into Bitcoin-Qt. Im guessing thats an offline wallet, don't know much about it. Anyhow, thanks for the quick response and the information.

Its the official wallet which you can download here, there are several you can try depending on your system resources.
https://bitcoin.org/en/choose-your-wallet


What do the other players use?

the website looks cool will try it out.

Blockchain.info wallet will work on this site and all others like it.  Blockchain has a single wallet address not shared like coinebase and others.

I wonder how do they control change addresses that return the change to the single address. That is pretty good programming.

I think you should reduce house edge from 5% to 1%. That would correspond to most other btc (dice etc.) games. Or do you really think >1btc per day is needed for keeping your server up? :)
As more people gain money, game will become more successful!

Thank you for your suggestions but we have been running this game for more then a month and tried many things. I don't think you considered:

1. Please count how much we will make this round.... going to be close to .25BTC but if the last person deposits .30BTC ... then we make -0.05BTC
2. At 1% whats the upside for running this again and spending time? 0.05BTC upside with a potential loss of 0.25BTC ?
3. It takes a lot of time to run this and to make sure all is working smoothly as well as there are costs for advertising

About Dice,
DICE edge is much higher then 1%. They just use other techniques to increase the income... while their edge is significantly higher then 1%.
If you are sure their edge is only 1% just roll the dice and if you lose double your bet and keep doing it... you will eventually win
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martingale_(betting_system)

thx for explanation and running this cool game! :)

question: the payout currently waiting is 0.3BTC (0.33BTC return).  There is 0.376BTC in the game address, shouldnt this be paid out to #35 and #36?

Much higher than 1%?
The two biggest dice sites, just-dice and primedice, both have edge at 1%.
You can even find some newer and smaller dice sites (such as everydice) with slightly lower edge.

It looks like you have misunderstood martingale lol.
Instead of "you will eventually win", it should be "you will eventually lose all your money".

Search for "Gambler's ruin" and "St. Petersburg paradox" if you are interested.  :)

There's now 0.39984567 BTC in the game address but no payout for #35 or #36 yet.

@klondike_bar
@Rehan

5% house edge

Formula is (Total Deposits - Paid Deposits) - (5% of Total Deposits) = Balance

If you believe their real edge is 1% I have a bridge I want to sell you.

Yes this is true :) The odds are highly against you in the end in the casino gambling games.

In this sort of game... if your Bitcoin is stuck and you are a talented promoter and know how to pump a game.. .you can easily get people to play after you by posting on reddit / twitter / forums / trollboxes ... etc :)

Just curious, why do some blocks take so long -- is it just a random occurrence or does this game stress the bitcoin network's ability to handle transactions?

Great game, than crytopon!

Thanks for the kind words.

Bitcoin network is megaslow comparing to Doge which is almost instant... I dislike these longs bitcoin blocks :(

Confirmation times will definetly need to be improved in the future for bitcoin. I also don't think it is the game that is slowing it down. I noticed similar effect with litecoin which is slower then doge... ofcorse with bitcoin its x10.

Is the guy who made .2 BTC  Profit by being the last guy in this thread?

Found him
https://twitter.com/btcPile/status/463112440767463424

Wish the game was shorter than 23.5 hours....the number of plays fall off exponentially after the first hour. :)

satisfied with the current 23:30h cycle

Same :)

We tried 30 minute rounds with DOGE... it did not work well :)

I think the 23 hours gives players a chance to promote the game and get more players to play in case their deposit is stuck.

tonight btcpile, ponzidoge and ltcponzi again... ALL IN :D

I just saw complaints from a guy on IRC about this game and it led me to this thread. He was pretty upset about how the end-of-game mechanics are handled.

Is it true that the CRON used to record transactions doesn't run one final time at the end of the countdown? That would mean the CRON may have already run and the timer is still counting down for some portion of a minute when the entire game is already over and decided....hope that isn't the case.

I am doubting that would really be the case but the IRC complaints got me interested and I figured I'd ask.

Yup. That was likely me on IRC.
I was commenting how I opened it with a few minutes left and blasted over some funds. I noticed i didnt show up on his page so I checked blockchain. I sent with about 15 seconds left and according to BC
Today 18:59:56

If the cron ran at the end of the game I would figure it would show pending confirmation.

Curious as it sucks to drop .3 and totally get overlooked when it was within the count down.

The guy with his concerns should bring them here... the mechanics are in the FAQ... its is hard to know how fast bitcoin network will deliver the transaction ... it depends on how many nodes are apart etc.

Tons of warning are there for end of game... it is a highly risky play, some win and some lose.

Hmm looking at the blockchain it looks like the transaction was recorded with 4 seconds left -- your game really should be running a CRON at the very end, or not show a timer countdown when the game is already over. Why not have it run at the end of the timer?

From a programming perspective, this is very simple to do. Unless this is purposefully done to raise the house's edge?

game should simply take times recoded by blockchain.info, so there is same proof of information for everyone. They have a good api by the way....

Excellent suggestion.

Hey, sorry about the loss. But if you sent 15 seconds before the end. And Blockchain was notified (Fee: 0.0001 BTC - Size: 226 bytes) 2014-05-05 22:59:56 and its connected to a lot more nodes then we are... then our server might not heard about the transaction until after end time.

This is why we give plenty of disclaimers in the FAQ... because its really hard to do "REAL TIME" transactions. This bonus was really intended only for the last guy to get a return... for being the biggest BELIEBER... but it turned into a sniping game :)

I gambled about $5,000 the other night on this game and i lost some cash in the end, I can live with the loss from that night. Its gambling

Its fun to play but in this case I just feel a bit deceived as I was in before the game was over, BC confirmed it.


Hope the dev lets me know whats up with that. I gambled big because the game was on.

Are you a developer?

Is it real time socket api or we have to poll?

Again we do not go by BC..time.. we go by time received by our BITCOIND

As it clearly states in our FAQ its a gamble. The time on BC and BITCOIND will be different.

If you don't like the end game please do not play it as it is intended to compensate the last person.

i am satisfied with the current game's behaviour. But i have to admin: i concentrate on the games beginning, not the end ;)

1 MIN!!!!!!!

I didn't take issue with the end game until I realized that the game continues to allow people in when an outcome has already been decided...even when your own website clock is active and coincides with BlockChain.

Hopefully you return the tip of .3

Again I am sorry that you lost. A few seconds earlier and you would have made a .3 BTC PROFIT... and then I would ask you to return profit....NOT /endborat!

We have no control over Bitcoin network or transaction times. It is very clearly stated in the FAQ>

I will state this again for the record.
There is no returns/refunds or implied warranty of any kind.

There is a few private messages of people telling me their little brother/ roomate / dog played the game for them and lost.
Returns/Refunds sets a horrible precedent and we are not running this game to become broke.

Is it clear in the FAQ that it is a gamble?

Sorry about your loss SuMguy, but it appears that poncrypto's idea of a fair game is one where there's a 98.3% chance the game will have already ended while the game clock shows there's still time to play.

Unfortunate, but luckily there are a lot of alternatives out there.

Sucks about your BTC0.3 loss.

I know SuMguy and can vouch that he put over 10 BTC into this game and if he played by the rules I do believe he should be compensated. At the very least....he is the only reason your game ran up 100+ deposits the other night, trust me you would not have the attention it has garnered if it werent for him. Casinos dont give refunds but when there is a flaw with their machines they do fix it. (Especially for the high rollers)

I am just going to go by what you said... "Casinos do not give refunds"

Funny how you only quoted half that statement.

But whatever...me n my group of friends are done playing scam games. Watch your volume drop drastically and enjoy. You just pissed off a great source of advertising and BTC.

Again I regret that you lost.

The core of this issue is that you don't understand how transaction memory pool works and the bitcoin node p2p system. Just because it shows 5:59:45 on your computer when you send a message it does not mean we receive it within a certain time. You can call shenanigans all you want... its not really worth it for us to cheat to get a bad rep.

The game works well and you are just being a sore looser. Some guy won 2LTC yesterday no sweat... you lose .3 today... endless complaining.

And VOLUME is bigger today then yesterday sorry you are wrong again.

lol every one of those .3's on the list is SuMguy just wait till tommorrow lolz

Just got pointed to this thread in IRC -- I've been playing the last few days but am out now as well.

To be fair, SuMguy isn't referencing the time he sent the money on his computer -- he is referencing the blockchain's timestamp, the same timestamp you referenced.

Even if he did send AFTER the game ended (which he didn't), your game still shows the game being active when it no longer is. This is an issue regardless of what time SuMguy sent the transaction.

I see the disclaimers in the FAQ but the entire game clock not being the actual time is pretty scammy sounding.

As others have suggested in this thread, you could be using blockchain's API -- I hope you'll take those suggestions into consideration and implement them.

To say that it is a gamble is not a fair statement, as there should still be certain rules that the game needs to abide by. If the clock is a lie, fix the clock or refund the person who lost out due to your shoddy implementation of it.

Anyways, I'm done with this game and I'd encourage other people who happen upon this thread to think twice before sending your coins to poncrypto until he can fix the system.

+1

Another REAL TIME expert!

Can you help EBAY solve this problem please... they have a bit more funds then we do
http://community.ebay.com/t5/Bidding/Is-the-quot-one-click-bid-quot-clock-always-accurate/qaq-p/4908327

Ebays systems and the blockchain are 2 completely different things. Lame argument.

Another EBAY thread

http://community.ebay.com/t5/Bidding/how-can-you-watch-the-bidding-in-real-time/qaq-p/7060923

Its good to assume that we are dishonest.. but in reality the FAQ section is there because real time bidding is hard to solve.

Hey can you rewrite our whole software to use BLOCKCHAIN api... what about DOGE... would that work as well?

Then maybe you should privately extend the game clock to compare/contrast to blockchain timestamps. After all you are making money off of this.

and like SuMguy said....i watched him lose over 1 BTC going ham on your game....and hes cool with that. What his issue is is that your game does not follow the rules. If it is confirmed within the blockchain within game time limits it should be a legit bid. I know for a fact he doesnt need the .3 He has a fucking HUGE gpu farm. His issue is he feels cheated by you. Its not about the money. Its about the principle

I haven't played your game but a little sad to see you treat your users this way.

The problem you link to on eBay seems to be pretty different from the issue that plagues your game. You are using shoddy programming to run a CRON once a minute and are now getting upset because users are complaining that a CRON running once a minute is drastically inaccurate. If you want to draw comparisons to eBay, the first one would be to ask them how they handle real-time bidding -- I can guarantee you it's definitely not with a 1 minute resolution CRON job...I mean, as a developer (I'm assuming you are), how can you yourself not laugh at this being a solution?

I have no horse in this race but I am just stating the facts here -- a CRON job once a minute is not the correct way to set this up and of course people will be upset when the majority of the time the timer will be grossly inaccurate.

Thank you for playing. Best of luck!

Just gotta say its real bad PR on your part. A competent dev would at the very least promise a fix or to work on one. Your best answer is read the FAQ and thanks for playing, you would have a very solid idea here if you cared about the community that will carry your idea but obviously you dont. Soooo you get unfollowed on twitter and bad PR everywhere. Thanks for playing, best of luck.

Actually busy running games and making sure all goes well during main game. Sorry you and your buddy are super pissed. Like I said nothing I can do its a very hard problem to solve and we do it to the best of our ability. If you guys choose not to play then its fine. As I stated in the first post there will be no refunds.

I can try to make it more clear in the FAQ... but what else can I do besides that for round end. If ebay can not reliably solve this issue its really hard for our teams resources to attempt it.

Again we stayed with our guidelines and there was no foulplay. If you can prove it on technical level you are welcome to do so.

Im not pissed, just lookin out for a friend. Your game was quite fun and we were all enjoying it and steadily recruiting new plays. I can promise and prove on a technical level that our group accounted for 80% of your volume. What bothers us is that you state the rules but then do not abide to them, I even asked a question on day one about the 200% at the end as to how it was confirmed and your answer was that it is accepted as soon as it is confirmed in the blockchain. Well if your blockchain is running on a different clock then ours obviously you have an issue. I am no coder/programmer whatsoever, I am a miner and a trader but wtf is the point of even having a clock if it is inaccurate. I strongly advise you develop a fix or it will not last long.

Both you and your buddy need to first understand this.

1. There will be no refunds ... We wont be intimidated or begged into

2. You have no PROOF and your lack of knowledge of basic BITCOIN is frustrating

please refer to meaning of time in the transaction the time can be different for blockchain.info and other clients ...
https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Original_Bitcoin_client/API_calls_list#cite_note-0


Nothing is flawed since the function of CRON cutting off the non received transaction is explained and risks are upfront. Just because you did not win it does not mean the game is broken.

What I may do is ... add ANOTHER warning that will say that the bonus is intended for last guy who deposited and not to be SNIPED.

Why is using blockchain.info's API vs bitcoind not an option?

Certainly seems like it would create more transparency for your users and less headache for you....

Well then who would play game...the whole point is that you want to get in early so other players will pay off your investment. The 200% at the end is the motivation for people to continue playing into it, ex sniping extra bonus for extra risk.And we all know the API calls those have nothing to do with the fact that you specifically said transaction is confirmed at the time blockchain confirms it. Were all running the same blockchain right? Cause I know they havent implemented sidechains yet. So I fail to see why your blockchain timestamp would differ. Either way we are trying to point out a flaw in your game and we started about this tactfully but your response to the people who are funding your project is quite inappropriate. If you want to keep it going you need to realize that majority of players do not understand such things and are going by the Big Shiny Inaccurate Clock you have posted.

1. Because out of 40 Rounds we a ran across all games it was fine and now one guy who yells the loudest looses and all of the sudden we have to recode tested code and start to depend on API which may or may not be secure or reliable. What about blockchain downtime last month? What about their latency? What if they choose to turn off API access?

2. Because we can run same tested code with slight modifications for LTC/BTC/DOGE and many other crypto...

3. Are you going to recode and test everything from scratch?

Easiest solution is to turn off the end of game bonus since its more headache then its worth...
Its less risk for us and less drama. But others will not complain that there is no reward for last guy.

Its never ending. I suggest people to play the game from start ... and if they are unlucky to be the last guy... maybe they will get lucky and win double... but don't snipe for it. Or don't play at all.

Hmmmm I noticed your deposits appear to have slowed down tremendously.....cant wait too see what tommorrow brings. I honestly have no intention of playing your game anymore and would have left it at that but your attitude has inspired me to troll and advertise what is really going on. Enjoy the bad press! Thanks for playing BadPRpile.com

Hey did you also lose BTC?

Nope havent played in 2 days but thanks to your game im up about 1.2 BTC. I would have kept going but I felt a much stronger need to invest in some MYR and BC and have had real life stuff going on. But I have actively watched my buddies rape your game for 3 days straight and losing is all fine and dandy, we know its a gamble. Whats not cool is blatently taking someones BTC because it did not fall under your buggy clock time even though it very clearly hit the blockchain in time.

Dude... if you read the link I sent you... that time is the client time not the time we received the transaction.

Best of luck in your Trolling adventures! You are not the first and you are not the last. Please let me know your twitter so I can follow them in real time.

My twitter is @BtcMINTer follow me all you want, my people know im the real deal and will listen to me anyday over a game modeled after a ponzi scheme. Like I said, enjoy the bad PR!

Ok learn this for me real quick... then apologize over twitter.. if you have any integrity.

http://bitcoin.stackexchange.com/questions/20118/chronologically-sorting-transactions-within-a-block

Specifically look at comment by the Bitcoin Dev and a trusted authority in bitcoin
"Transactions do no have a time stamp. You need to see when you first heard about it (which bitcoind only tracks for wallet transactions). –  Pieter Wuille Feb 7 at 20:33"

You guys went full retard without even understanding that the warning in FAQ were there for a reason.

Whatever you say boss lol, btw if you scroll down my twitter to 2 days ago you'll realize the good PR you lost. Would have never went full retard had you treated your best customers with respect rather than the asshole read the FAQ comment, anyone with any sense reads that shit and I even took it a step further by asking you personally. Your clock sucks whether it is a bug or a flaw in the protocol I dont care, like I said Im a miner and trader not a programmer. My issue is the lack of respect on your end for your players and the fact that you are ok with decieving people. You should know goddamn well most your players arent developers/coders and they are going to rely on that clock, it is your job to make sure it works properly and in that regard you have failed sir. Good day!

Ok...lol ... thats really classy. Bash my game... not understand how it works or care to understand... attack me while making 1.2BTC on the game... and I am the asshole.

Good day to you sir!

If you're going to be re-doing the FAQ, you may want to change this rule (emphasis mine):

2. Only send when timer is ticking everything after end time will not be counted and forfeited.

Again, I don't have a horse in this race but I can definitely see where the confusion and issues lie with this game.

I am going to think about how to improve this. Will report back. Thanks for your suggestions.

So you admit there is a issue? Ah finally! Progress!

I am analyzing what can be done. Looking at options to make it more transparent since you guys are so upset.

Especially you... who is most upset while loosing none!

Not to beat a dead horse but. FROM FAQ specific to last recorded transaction

Last recorded transaction gets 200% back.
Recorded means that it is the last/final transaction in the list with a status of pending or confirmed when the timer runs out.

(Transactions are recorded via CRON ... which runs every 1 minute so it will be hard to know which one gets recorded or in which order so its a game of chance.)

Please do not play it if you are not ready to lose the coins. We don't know which last transaction gets recorded its systematic.

Not sure if it was pointed out, but the javascript timer on the page uses your own time, not the server's time. So you need to say something like "I ran NTP and synced my clock before loading the page" before troubleshooting this.

Also people have to stop saying "The blockchain" when they are talking about an unconfirmed transaction that is in blockchain.info's memory pool.
Everything goes by when the when the transaction is heard by the server (I'm not involved in this, but I can tell how it works), and it is unreliable to try to predict that. Calling out to a centralized authority to see when THEY receive a transaction has its own problems, such as if they are down, or if they have some problems and don't pass the messages fast enough.
"The blockchain" is a great invention that can be used for consensus, but not for unconfirmed things, and not for reaching consensus on a realtime thing like when a transaction is heard.

I tried sniping the end of round with a tiny amount just to see, and I could never get it. I tried 5, 10 and 15 seconds before it ran out (and my pc's clock was synced) and none of them showed up. It's just too hard of a target to hit so I gave up.

I've been playing this since it was only dogecoin, I've gotten in first place many times so I know it is legit, and he's not putting his own deposits in there for a few automatic wins (I know I'd be tempted if I was running this). I don't know poncrypto other than from his posts here, and I think he just has no patience and gets upset easily, so when people accuse him of things he just blows up. I don't think he's a bad guy, he just doesn't care enough as he should to stay professional and ignore the emotion and just stick to the facts, and take criticism as constructive and use it to make the service better. This thing has the potential of being a popular gambling site.

1. You know this end of round game is causing problems. Maybe we just turn it off. Please let us know.

2. If the game does not get interest like http://ltcponzi.com it will not get new rounds.. but everyone will be paid like they were for last month and a half!

3. I would like to sell it to an honest party that can manage PR/and promotion as well as deal with people like you, the price is undecided at the moment

4. And I do hold a doctorate... just not in Medicine.

My replies seem unprofessional and it is my fault!

I am defending the system that has been working for a while and has players coming back to play round after round.

Once in the while someone who took a loss gets pissed and claims it is a scam and I cant help but defend it because it takes alot of work to make this run as smooth as possible.

We are planning to offer more service and more games.

Our email list and twitter reach is getting bigger as well as advertising spots.

I get upset because I have to spend time arguing with people who claim to understand how bitcoin network works based on shallow grasp of the architecture instead of improving the games and designing new ones.

For the last time, the only thing I claim to know is that your players will follow the clock you post to coincide with the games rules and it is inaccurate. That is all I know.

So after a PM with the poncrypto I have come to the realization that he is not attempting to scam...just not very good at PR. If Bugs are sorted out I will back this game but only if bugs are sorted. I will update with further news.

All you need to know about this guy has been summed up years ago

He is some type of internet bully who likes to get things his way... no wonder people make hate pages about him

http://imgur.com/a/kLNfo

https://i.imgur.com/Dj1wBtN.png

So he pretended to be interested in the site to collect info and post it online.
Invited his buddy for technical analyses.


Ethically sound!

Sorry you still try to bully people online Rick
http://imgur.com/a/kLNfo

It seems the thread is going crazily off-topic here...can we PLEASE keep the discussion solely on the BTC Pile game please?

According to forum rules, any issues with other members should be posted in the Scam Accusations forum.

Yes I would like to get back to the game. I dont understand why Private chats about promotion deals and sales have to be posted here.

Posing as a buyer to collect info and post SKYPE chat

and I am the crazy?  ???

Dude do you think anybody cares about you vindictive crap? Oh wait this guy does.

http://imgur.com/a/kLNfo

Thanks to some advise we revised the warning on the front page of the game.

New Round starts 45minutes after current round ends!
Warning! Last Deposit 200% Bonus is meant to compensate the LATE players...
Last minute SNIPING is discouraged and may not get recorded in time!

Old Rules were... they were pretty clear but for special Cases like Rick here... we made them even more clear.

Last recorded transaction gets 200% back.
Recorded means that it is the last/final transaction in the list with a status of pending or confirmed when the timer runs out.

(Transactions are recorded via CRON ... which runs every 1 minute so it will be hard to know which one gets recorded or in which order so its a game of chance.)

Please do not play it if you are not ready to lose the coins. We don't know which last transaction gets recorded its systematic.

If your transaction is not the last one or it is not recorded those coins go according to following order:
1. Pay the 200% bonus to the "last recorded transaction"
2. Pay outstanding transactions in the regular order from oldest to newest
3. Remaining unclaimed balance that is not enough to pay next in line will remain with operator
(For future cases when there may not be enough transactions to cover the 200% pay back of "last recorded transaction")

Found this thread on IRC.
WOW, JUST WOW!!!

OP you are doomed in business if this is how you treat people.

Will not engage in any of these "SCAM" games.

The deposit is lost. As it says on the site...

Warning! Last Deposit 200% Bonus is meant to compensate the LATE players...
Last minute SNIPING is discouraged and may not get recorded in time!

So the cron runs 1 minute before end of game. You steal everyone's money after.
Brilliant!!!!!!!!

OP should buy a rope

This is a pretty a poor attempt at trolling.

The websites now clearly states that end of round game is meant to compensate LATE senders not snipers.

Ok this bitch ass nigga OP is completely full of shit. Going to post full private message logs of this guy trying to pay me off for positive feedback...was gonna play his ass just cause hes a tool but hes taken it way to far. Dont fuck with my friends dude.


So here is all of them as you can plainly see this guy trying to buy me in the first post. Dont play this game guys its a total scam and OP is a bitch.

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Hey since you actually... won BTC ... and you are good at promoting.

Are you willing to collaborate on the game if the end round crap is fixed.

We can possibly split commissions from the round... Ie you get 2.5% of all deposits and so do I 2.5% . We can do it for 1 round and see where it goes... maybe it can be permanent.

You are definitely hardcore on keyboard and maybe you can take care of PR.... BUT NO REFUNDS!
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I would have no problem with that if you fix the issues. In all honesty I was just trying to help a friend who funneled over $5000 through your game in a day. He felt scammed and I look out for the people close to me.

I don't know how close of a friend he is to you but he is trying to take a private conversation from skype and paste it for all to see. Which is kind of deceitful.

In fact is actually using it as leverage to get me to send him BTC back. Not cool. I explained to him in the beginning that I am sorry but there can not be refunds. Especially public cases.

I give it to 1 guy and i have people daily asking for refunds. Sad I can show you 20 people asking for the most insane reasons ever.

I am taking some suggestions from people to improve the game . At this point turning off last guy bonus seems like the only thing to do. The problem is people kind of like its a cool feature but its super hard to make it transparent and trust me people always scream some kind of fraud..... especially when they loose.

I am going to spend today trying to fix it... will let you know.
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Here's a thought....instead of making it the last guy make it a random pick out of the final unpaid deposits....thus still giving incentive to get in late in the game and eliminating sniping. Ill talk to him on skype when he logs on and see if I can reason. I dont blame him for being upset though. He funnelled a lot of money into your game. That 100+deposit run day was a combination of me, him, and 1 other. Like I said...Were not here to bash something legit....I actually really enjoyed the game but half of that is because I had some good friends to play it with as well.  But when I log on to a message saying that they are done playing he got his BTC taken within the rights of the game I went to bat to defend him. I know he is a straight up guy and he makes almost 1 BTC a day mining its not about money to him its about principle & I think this washandled poorly due to miscommunication on both your side and ours.

I should have handled it better... but I get insane when people start claiming fraud. Since we run this for SO LONG with no cheating.. then some guy looses...because his transaction does not get recorded all while its clearly listed in the FAQ.

The random thing will cause even more problems since it can not be proven at all who is who and who gets paid.

I am trying a few things on a test server right now.


As for your buddy....
Yea I don't think he is that straight of a guy as you think he is
https://web.archive.org/web/20140208005753/http://www.prickperry.ca/

Seems he goes above and beyond to piss people off that they make hate web pages about him.

You guys had to do was give us a benefit of the doubt since we are running these games for a while. But you guys stormed in screaming fraud while I am trying to manage the games had 3 games ending that day and 2 starting all within 1-2 hours.

Can I handle it better maybe

And to be honest the warning were there.. I just don't think he understood how it works. He won .2LTC yesterday and 3 other people lost... but no one complained. He just feels like he should be refunded based on what he put into the game which is still something I can do.

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Your friend keeps bulling me an saying how he is going to use you to destroy the game. Smiley

Makes sense.... especially given his history... this guy is used to banning people and getting his way.

Yea and what does that prove... that I wanted you to help promote the game? Where is anything about pay off ?

And you claimed yourself you won 1.2 BTC ... so I dont understand what your problem is.

more bullshit here http://middlecoinforum.com/showthread.php?490-BTC-Pile-Bitcoin-Game

My problem is your unethical retarded ass fucking with my friends who I have known since I started in crypto...and these guys were strangers to me once but at least they keep shit real. You flip flop your story every 2 seconds and that doesnt jive well with me. Tell 1 person 1 thing and another person another, your lucky some bad PR is all your getting. It could be worse....*cough* DDoS *cough*

So you are just foot soldier for Canada's most notorious troll?

Nah I roll my own style...you wanna see me come to Antioch, CA i aint hiding shit, im a straight shooter. Come to my hood get schmopped.

This thread is making me sad, I stick up for poncrypto because its been an honest but misunderstood site since the beginning, but it makes it hard when he just goes off the rails like this, instead of just responding with pure facts and evidence. :( I'll be real disappointed if that is true about keeping those 0.3 deposits that didn't register instead of refunding them.

Would it be fair to the guy who's transaction was the last recorded on round end for me to cancel his payout and pay the guy who's transaction did not make it into list.

Rules state:

If your transaction is not the last one or it is not recorded those coins go according to following order:
1. Pay the 200% bonus to the "last recorded transaction"
2. Pay outstanding transactions in the regular order from oldest to newest
3. Remaining unclaimed balance that is not enough to pay next in line will remain with operator
(For future cases when there may not be enough transactions to cover the 200% pay back of "last recorded transaction")

Script is automatic... it goes by available balance.

Best part about this feature is people begged us to install it for DOGE and LTC ... and its now backfiring.

This feature is different then the rest of the game because we cant control cutoff time with the ADDRESS .. unlike round start.

Just making a PSA that I will be busy resetting the games for next rounds and not available on the forum until later tonight.

YUP, 100% what happened. OP did not want to pay out .6 as it cuts into his profits i read.

MUCH SCAM! MUCH SAD

To sum up.

1. No proof
2. Out of context skype logs
3. No understanding that the transactions are not really instant accross the network or that transaction does not store time
4. No reading of the rules/disclaimers on the site
5. Random half baked people posting on his behalf most who never even played the game
6. Records stuff on skype then posts it back in forum to try to prove foul play.... yet no proof

We are doing a 5% extra guaranteed bonus today for all BTC players of the round starting tonight!
All you have to do is visit our threads on bitcoin talk and copy paste your line with a deposit. We will review the thread manually and pay 5% of your deposit to you at the end of round. Offer is only valid if posted before round end.

Example of what to paste
"#6    DHHoaVDFasPgoPPWKCZmPqmfp9DtL8hU6Y    .1BTC   .11BTC    52c0ff6e9e7065...    paid"

For BTC Pile
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=588027.0

As per your comments, the people of this thread, under your belief have half a brain. I suspect that with half a brain they could determine that

1) you admitted the final cron runs before the game actually ends, so final minute deposits are house favored right away,
2) your own admission to another dev last night was that there was a flaw / bug in the game that you have known about for over a month,
3) the way you handle the time stamp is poor to the say the least.

Any one who wants to be potentially be scammed by you need only play the game.

Thanks for your advice.

1. Cron runs exactly on the dot of the game end ... please prove I said otherwise
2. There is issue with javascript on some clients that are not synced properly.. however it seems to work fine for 99% of people. Again that only effects peoples whos computer clock is not correct.
3. Can you please suggest to me in detail how to handle timestamps since the transaction does not include them.

For what its worth I am really sorry it got this far.

I felt betrayed by you threatening to post private SKYPE logs after we had a good discussion.

I may have got upset that you kept posting about how it was unfair ... etc after I tried to explain that it was not up to me but its programmed in.

Then your followers came... who had nothing to do with that one instance of you losing.

So it went pretty far and I am sorry for behaving that way. I will control my temper better in the future.

See the problem is with your approach you "CLAIM I scammed you" so I should refund the .BTC

The fact is: I did not scam you, the game has many warnings and I can not refund you as that BTC went into the game.


I explained to you its a strict policy and offered a collaboration to help you recover lost BTC. Then thats where misunderstanding happened since you kept posting about it being unfair and demanded refund or you would post SKYPE logs.

I have no plans to ruin or dox anybody... it was a TIT for TAT .. you decided to post private skype logs... I simply stooped to your level. I did start to record of logs/ips of our encounters but for my own protection and only after you posted skype convo.

I am here to just run the game for fun profit and learning experience. This game has taught me a lot about limitations and features of the blockchain based coins.

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I wont negotiate with blackmailers its a principle thing.

The game is fair.

https://i.imgur.com/iODV4Dr.png

I'm these two:

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thank you!

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Hi Poncrypto,

Sent you a short message via PM -- could you please get back to me when you have a moment?

Thank you.

Jonathan.

So if I jump in as soon as the round opens, my chances of getting funded 110% are much higher correct?

Correct, if you were to enter at this point in the game, your chances of getting a return on your investment are very small, if not zero.

I see. And where does the 200% return come from if there are no further depositors?

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in

.i.  :o :o :o xD

Sent  0.006BTC
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Sent 0.003
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Ouch daeminium! You got burned! LOL.  ;D

Thank you for finally making strives in being honest.

You have a long ways to go but my fingers are crossed for you and your efforts.

shit, wtf, clock work fine to 0:0:0:1?
I lost because I thought it was the same  :( :( :( :(

i use translator :-(

best bet is to try next round. Sniping within the last minute is dangerous as its house advantage 100%. There is a work around but I cannot share that publicly out of respect for the developer.

This round also had way less people and less BTC overall in it, even with the 5% payouts.

http://www.quickmeme.com/img/2d/2d082fa192bf205d79f5327d28a0428e6fefdac616c211f507119bc7eedbb21a.jpg

you have my money

^ lol

that is awesome

HOPE HE PAYS 5% THIS ROUND

Poncrypto, is there any 5% offer today?

Lets do it tommorow so I can do a proper mailer and twitter promos :)

And my collaboration offer for partnership on individual round stands for anyone capable to be a mega promoter!
(Ofcorse it can not be done on 5% back rounds because there is no profit)

This does not interest me at all. "Mega promoter" helps you for lets say 5 games. Grows your mailing list and customer awareness. You tell him on game 6there is no more interest in using him as you now have a steady stream of clients back at your game. Its short sighted for anyone to take up your offer and that is before we consider the part of "can you even be trusted".

5 of the entries tonight were from us. Without us playing there would have been only 7 entries. Just saying, you need help or perhaps you should sell but 10 BTC is FAR to pricey for a game with no traction. I suggest you ramp it up and then hawk it for some BTC. Any potential buyers should also get the twitter list and any other social media accounts, coupled with an NDA and Non-compete in this exact vertical.

OP has to work harder at promoting the game himself, not just collecting the BTC.

Hahahaha gotta pay out of pocket for customers now because were hip to your scam? AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Just a heads up that the end game will be changing in near future to improve the experience and possibly attract more players.

You mean your gonna stop scamming people?!?!? What an improvement!!!!

This is great news.
I think all the players would love to see the improvements and know more about them.

Did you end up hiring the developer who told you how to fix the clock issue??

OP JUST CODING IN NEW WAY TO RIP PEOPLEZ

so next round will be +5% payback again?
btw, i like this game pretty much, keep it alive guys :)

Does not seem that anybody else is interested and I was busy programming/replying to accusation to send mailers or twitter.

I think its better to do it another day to get massive promotion. But let me know... if you really want it I guess it can be done.

Last Deposit Bonus will be disabled for next round so there is no confusion.

I tried to see what options there were to make it fair for everyone and:

1. There is no way to stop people from sending after game is over since they have the address. The cut off time is end of round but there is no way to prove that transaction did or did not make it before end. And only btcpile servers tx timestamp is the way to do it... but people can just say it has been doctored so thats not a solution.

2. I can return deposits that came in out of time... but then there is a chance that there will not be enough to cover the 2x payout of the winner. (It would have to be case by case basis and again lots of back and forth)

3. There can be a bonus pot that keeps accumulating during the game (like 5%) + 50% of transactions in the last 30 minutes.
That way refunds can be made for out of time transactions.  This solutions requires some serious code revision and may take days to test and implement. However again people can argue that they were the last one and not the other or the dev did it... etc so it can just be endless.

If you have ideas how to make end of round game work please let me know but consider that there is already alot of tested code to make this game work and not all solutions will be compatible.

please just let it stay as it is right now.... of course people are unhappy if they transfer too late, but that's how gambling games work. don't make it too complicated.
==> i would propose to let game as it is right now and just modify counter to be server based and not client clock based = no more confusion

Was tempted to check this site out and ship some Btc but there seems to be to much sketchyness goin on as I read through the posts. Seems like a big risk at this point.

I actually silently updated it already... if you look through the javascript. Now it uses seconds that it gets from the server on refresh to do the countdown. So client time is not used at all. :)

I actually did turn on the 5% guaranteed bonus tonight.

perfect. i'm all in :) and please keep the last tx doubling. if removed, there's no more motivation for late investors

I understand. And if you don't feel good about it do not play since I can make no guarantees whether you win or lose.

It is a risk but the earlier you play the more chances you have. We have not ripped anyone off.. some guys loose and they freak out but that is part of the game. We are removing the controversial feature to keep people happy.

You can ask the guys who call scam ... they still play the game because they know how it works... they just don't like the end game feature.

It causes so much controversy. I even put a disclaimer to stop people from sniping, then added more warnings. It does not help people want that 2x BTC so bad... and if they don't win they go mad...they gotta understand only 1 person can win that bonus its super risky.

Part of the game is to snipe to win the bank if there is no downside... then where does the payout come from? There have to be loosers in order to be winners. Anyway disabling the 2x payout so there is no more controversy.

People can only critique whats there but fail to come up with solutions. Classic trolls, don't have any real contributions just endless bitching.  If you don't like the game don't play.

Don't see why you can't just send back any payments that come after the timer runs out. Disable the 2x payout at the end AND get rid of the "Thanks for the tip!" junk and just refund any out-of-game payments. Your game mechanics during the live round already give you the ability to make a profit, don't take a mandatory tip for out-of-game payments.

That's exactly what I am doing. Like I said since 2x is disabled I don't care about out of game tips... it was all designed to keep the 2x payout possible by requests in the DOGE thread.

I have never been a fan of it and only did it because people asked nicely.

I am not going to reply to the troll because the only thing that can help him is meds. Read Sig.

WAS GOING TO PLAY TONIGHT BUT GAME SEEM RIG

Last 200% BONUS is gone from BTC pile.. Good riddance inmho ... I could not full automate the game because of it since it sometimes requires my funds to be added. Now the game end and game start can be fully automatic, autonomous and hopefully no more bitching.

5% please :)

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Thank you.

Was there a strange time glitch in the beginning? Let me know if you saw something strange I changed some code for more client accuracy.

Sent .03 BTC for both
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Was going to play today but got called away last minute due to an important phone call.....disappointed by the low amount of players but think I saved myself too. :(

Poncrypto, get some press out there and promote the site please -- want to play but with only 8 transactions in < 10 seconds, seems way too risky!

Thanks for making changes to the game though -- I think removing the sniping option will give you less of a headache!

I am super glad its out as well, no more complaints. (People were happy when they won though)

I have posted an Idea on how to make the game self managed 100% and have some end round bonus.

 here can be a bonus pot that keeps accumulating during the game (like 5%) + 50% of transactions in the last 30 minutes.
That way refunds can be made for out of time transactions.  This solutions requires some serious code revision and may take days to test and implement. However again people can argue that they were the last one and not the other or the dev did it... etc so it can just be endless.

This is why I was suggesting to use the blockchain.info API and let them be the final authority on the chronology of payments. Just go by their system -- it will increase the transparency of your game vs you currently going by when your server sees the transaction or not.

Being able to advertise your game as provably fair should help drum up more players I would think.

I have mentioned issues with using blockchain.info API in the past, I dont believe many people use it for internal systems.
Our DOGE game does great and we use the exact same system.


Provably fair does not have anything to do blockchain API does it?

Another potential problem for any type of last second stuff

First 2 transactions (Last in list) have same exact time recieved....
https://blockchain.info/address/1JddrRazf2QFP738RuSbVLfoqPXywk5Vd8

interesting "game"  :D

Hey PonCrypto,

I noticed that there was something wrong with the game.

For the round that people had to deposit to "1JddrRazf2QFP738RuSbVLfoqPXywk5Vd8"

#6   1JU7UfALa7uv76rqcqVnVzgYwkc7R67m58   0.3 BTC   0.33 BTC   efbf69...   confirmed
#5   1FN1YB852FSm5TwHetKjRXGP6pqJmLxjwB   0.3 BTC   0.33 BTC   8585d5...   paid

Where number 6's transcation was:
2014-05-08 23:45:09https://blockchain.info/tx/efbf692baeb5313d0c5354d24a941fef1463922b12d3d240accda758f880c675 (https://blockchain.info/tx/efbf692baeb5313d0c5354d24a941fef1463922b12d3d240accda758f880c675)

And number 5's transaction was:
2014-05-08 23:48:48https://blockchain.info/tx/8585d54657c04e1570ba28d74dfdb91c2dd0324feeeaabd01a0c10dc02adf8c0 (https://blockchain.info/tx/8585d54657c04e1570ba28d74dfdb91c2dd0324feeeaabd01a0c10dc02adf8c0)
This is a difference of a few minutes.


Please change it. Thanks in advance.

Note: I am neither of those two persons.
And , can someone teach me to insert images? I can't insert using the tool. Thanks again.

Recieved time on the "blockchain.info" is different from recieved time on our bitcoind due to differently connected nodes.

From the bitcoind output ...

0.3 BTC
Time: 1399592708
txid: 8585d54657c04e1570ba28d74dfdb91c2dd0324feeeaabd01a0c10dc02adf8c0
1JddrRazf2QFP738RuSbVLfoqPXywk5Vd8
96 Confirmations 
0.3 BTC
Time: 1399592709
txid: efbf692baeb5313d0c5354d24a941fef1463922b12d3d240accda758f880c675
1JddrRazf2QFP738RuSbVLfoqPXywk5Vd8
96 Confirmations

Again understand that TX does not hold time.. time of the TX depends on either when your client bitcoind heard about it or when it was included in the block if the client was off.

Now I know how your website works , I have more confidence . Thanks!

No problem, as you can see in this case our bitcoind heard about the transaction before "Blockchain.info"

Glad it makes sense.

too bad op isnt promoting the game. DOA!!!

Over 100 entries on the first game... hrmmmmm

The game went 100+ entries when I was actively playing/promoting. I have not in 3-4 days now. If you doubt me in anyway compare the date of the 50+ & 100+ games and look at my twitter @BtcMINTer . Coincidence? I think not.

here is my transaction on btcpile for today, happy about +5% :D

#1    1JCTyGv1QgW4QbU8ovrr4NVnfhzWNEfkbH    0.3 BTC    0.33 BTC    58fe4d...    paid

got some idea: why not regularly pay participants 5% if they promote/retweet this game on twitter to at least 100 followers.
just like: https://twitter.com/you_pump/status/464810161178419201
I know, poncrypto, this can reduce your profit a bit, but think long-term: if a large amount of users is going to play this game in near future, your rising 5% house edge will make up your cost.

Great idea btw.

Yes I will word write it into the FAQ.. but yes anybody promoting the game with 100+ followers can get their 5% back and post their deposit in this thread. We can do it for all future rounds unless its not working or people somehow abuse it.

Requirement is that they mention @btcPile and link to http://btcpile.com



SENT TO
1JCTyGv1QgW4QbU8ovrr4NVnfhzWNEfkbH 0.015
ac14119928e1e2e5dc3d64b10990443d331f0bfe5f1afe4929b9e9ac574707ac

NICE!!!
and thx for the 5% btw

Nice, any additional bonus for those with 10. 20 or 30k followers?

Yes we can make special deals where we can split the commission for the whole round. And if it runs well we can do many rounds.

Interesting...
I have some friends who have been talking about your site for a few days now but I've been to busy to check it out.
I have a subscription set now and will try to get in a game sometime this weekend to check it out.

Is there a 5% bonus for tonight's round?

Can I ask you with respect to stop playing my game and following me on forums. I disabled the feature that pissed you off so you got your way. I do not want you as a player/supporter or any other associations with you just because of conflict of character.
Please take your business elsewhere. With respect pon crypto. There is no need to respond with lengthy rebuttals and discussions.

I want remove your info from my sig and move on. Again with respect.

oh brother......

Its useless that's why I stopped replying to him. I asked the guy politely to stop playing the games... he writes a whole novel.

At the risk of getting this started again. I wish he would post a screen shot where I called any of the players stupid.
I would never say such a thing.... and he has to fab it up... luckily I have screenshots of the whole chat as well.

Please report him to the mods for false accusations, stalking and harassment.

he destroyed a good game. Last tx doubling was a fantastic idea to give even late players a motivation to invest into the ponzi. I'm glad ponziDOGE is still accepted by users

#6

http://www.reactiongifs.com/lol/hawkings-lol.gif

BOTH DUMB AND HARD HEADED BUT OP LOSING OUT IN THE END
SHOULD HAVE JUST KISSED AND HUGGED WITH GUY
LOL

So where do I same something bad about the players?

I clearly said that your cronies are half brained... like the fish guy.. your sock poppet account.

I guess nowhere... Another lie (please report him for that).... keep going... no credibility to your novel length posts.

To get 5% extra should I tweet like this?

https://twitter.com/N55Ton/status/464908660842323968

and how to get it?

Just post here your line with ADDRESS amount and TX ID ... just copy paste from the site
like this
#26   DGYKQSbHPebRzCtozWGRL1wEnAUwbZ2oe3   200000 DOGE   220000 DOGE   2f02bb3f95f3f6...   confirmed

And I will send the 5%

If you have 100+ followers on twitter and tweet

http://btcpile.com round starts in xx minutes! @btcpile Be fast and win 110% of your #bitcoin

you get guaranteed 5%  back ... just post your transaction line here

like this
#26   DGYKQSbHPebRzCtozWGRL1wEnAUwbZ2oe3   200000 DOGE   220000 DOGE   2f02bb3f95f3f6...   confirmed

#4   1FCDvWmq6LmMnd18dRHESxxDMud67jMaQn   0.15 BTC   0.165 BTC   7fcd6b...   confirmed
#6   1FBVG8RmwTJRQXWd1enMCrwnLtqmz8zaHe   0.015 BTC   0.0165 BTC   e67ca0...   pending

I think i'm too late for this round.

Final balance 0.195 BTC should it payout for my transaction?

The balance is this: 0.16952000 because of the subtracted 5% fees


//FROM the script
Amount to send:0.16500000
Amount Fee %:0.00825
Minimum Required:0.17355

"BTC Pile may charge a 5% fee and unclaimed final balance from pooled coins to pay server costs and other expenses."

5/100 * 0.53942 BTC = 0.026971 BTC
0.195 BTC - 0.026971 BTC = 0.168029 BTC

Why you can't pay this guy?

1. Its not me... the script auto pays when there is enough balance
2. As you see from the copy/paste there is not enough minimum at the moment of the transaction to come out because it takes a fee
3. I can turn off the fee for this transaction and it will go out but then... I have to subtract that from the 5% bonus... which is doable but a bit of a headache since I have to manually intervene into the program.
4. Don't worry he is very close to getting paid and will get paid :)

If he wants me to manually intervene I can do that. I was just trying to explain how the script works.

Please manual payout I don't want any bonus for now.

I will recalculate the bonus and send you the difference anyway :) Thanks for the tweet!

poncrypto, not sure I understand what's happening here....

Are you selectively choosing when to take a 5% fee and when not to?

Shouldn't he not be paid if there's 0.53942 BTC deposited total?

Is this the right equation: Total Deposited - Total Paid - (Total Deposited * 0.05) = Remaining Balance  ?

0.53942 BTC - 0.352 - (0.53942 * 0.05) =

0.53942 BTC - 0.352 BTC - (0.026971 BTC) = 0.160449 BTC

So with 0.160449 BTC remaining, you can't pay out the 0.165 BTC of transaction #4....or has something changed?

You should pay the bonus from your commission not from players money!

Lol, thats how it works.

Transaction goes out like this:

Amount to send:0.02686200
Amount Fee %:0.0013431
Minimum Required:0.0285051
Not enough balance. Skipping send

Then I use the fee to pay the bonus! :)

Yes you are right! But I manually intervened and turned off the fee from the program ... since I was going to pay him that 5% as a bonus from my commission anyway.

I think I had enough misunderstandings for a week, mostly my fault for not being calm. But you see I am calmly explaining now, I learned that that is the only way.

Shouldn't he only get the 5% but not qualify for the full payout? Not trying to keep Shindo from getting paid, but just trying to understand it better...wouldn't the payout order be that he can get his 5% bonus for tweeting but that shouldn't affect whether his payment gets paid out?

I received my money back. I'll keep tweet because you can trusted.
My suggestion you should show the exact final balance on your page.
This round I didn't get any profit because my transactions are #4 and #6 I only got what I sent.
And I try this game for the first time.

Also I don't think I should get 5% bonus or not it's your decision.

You get the part of 5% bonus anyway that is missing.

I am actually working on showing a lot more statistics but its taking a bit of time... since I am spending more time on the boards.

Also if you tweet a few more times and I will finally get time to promote it... you can actually get profit.

Only I can see you're holding his payout for waiting 5% bonus for his twitter bonus.
I try to mean 5% bonus from twitter must come from your own money. Because you're trying to promote you game shouldn't come from money of current round.

0.53942 - 0.352 BTC = 0.18742 BTC   (Then you subtract all the fees, but in the script fees are subtracted when payment goes out)

So the math is 100% correct but you subtracted his fee which only get subtracted when the deposit goes out. Ie look at the calculations for payouts in previous posts.

But if you don't take the fee from his deposit... from that... then it will actually be just enough to send when the fee is turned off.

Let me know if it makes sense. I can do the math

Because the script only takes fees when payments go out.

No, please see brits math calculations. It has nothing to do with twitter. Fees are collected when transactions go out. Its in the script. Then I give up my fees that are collected to pay for promotion.

OK I see your fees is 5% and bonus is 5%. It's clear.
And still have twitter bonus right. May be I 'll join. But I want to know when will you pay the bonus?

I can still get 5% bonus right?
If i'm still in when you'll pay me?
Then I will keep tweeting.

I pay the bonus by end of round but usually its way sooner.. I have to do it manually and I spent last 5 hours in front of the screen :)

However please consider that playing at this stage in the round is risky. Best is to play in the beginning. And unless your tweet can garner up some fresh players there may not be enough deposits for it to go out.

The game has slowed down a bit and I did not have chance to launch promotions and do media buys.

I am starting to do it but it takes time to find the right fit.

Please keep tweeting full BONUS was sent!

 1FCDvWmq6LmMnd18dRHESxxDMud67jMaQn 0.00825
d23111e794fd0200845008bcf0e276f78547958297250363f6e64254a5006b6d

Thank you! :D

Only I can see about your thread name you should tell everyone about min/max 110% profit back.
Tell everyone it's Ponzi!

I can see newbie Ponzi scam can get 0.34 BTC in less than 4 hrs. If you can trusted everyone will come more!

Well we run the DOGE one for more then 2 month... lots of people are playing.

Only bad rep we got is about the last deposit bonus ... which we removed due to controversy.

I changed the title to "AUTOMATIC PONZI" do you think that's good or should I mention more.

Yep fill min/max and % of profit it will more interest.
BTW if you can refund unpaid transactions like http://cryptoprofit.org/btc.php it may more interesting.

It's will be gambling!

His game is not active so it does not make sense copying a model that does not work.

I will stick to current model because it is very simple and it works just needs solid advertising.

#8   1A1TVEuaehVALwTMVLyokacCBAh7jabjud   0.01 BTC   0.011 BTC   5d1974...   pending

Another one problem on your game is the gap between min/max. How many min deposits can pay your max deposit (0.01 pay 0.3).
I think this it's very high risk for others with your 5% fees. It's a nightmare when 0.3 deposit get in early.

Yes I agree... it seems to change with volume though. Once the volume is large enough and .3 keeps coming its not a big deal.

1A1TVEuaehVALwTMVLyokacCBAh7jabjud 0.0005
ad2474fb7c085b7388d901f3ec702b0a4c316e1b5805dd9a060b366d16bc4ae0

Received it. Thank you very much.

i continue playing this, just reduced amount of btc spent to minimize risk. Will throw in .3 when more people are playing again :)

hope our advertisement program will pay out soon :)

In talks with a few professional pumpers as well as with a site that has 600K visitors monthly in the btc niche. Whoever gets the first ok gets it.

Yea I suggest keeping the bets smaller for now to minimize risk.

what do you mean by that?

I meant I will only do 1 deal at a time to know the most effective source. Once traffic is tested then can add additional sources. So whoever closes the deal faster banner sites/pumpers etc... get the deal.

okay, looking forward to that! :)

If you not change the rule it will be same and same.

Totally agree I thought I will join new round. Now I changed my mind.

Shouldn't this be in the Gambling section?

It's in Gambling section. But this game is 24 hrs round it's should be in Games and rounds.

I think as well he must have been giving the address early to some.  There is no way that many deposits come in so quick when he opens it.  You send payment as soon as the address shows up and end up 20 something on the list.  Something smells fishy for sure.

It's not that hard, I tried twice and got in 3rd each time.
You just have to know how to bitcoin ;)