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Update

RK-BOX specs:

https://c1.staticflickr.com/3/2923/14212461298_e0344c32e5_b.jpg

Prototype is testing now,here is pics:
https://c2.staticflickr.com/4/3880/14212490638_99a24494f7_z.jpg


First batch production will be done on 24th,and shipping date will be 25th,email sales@rockminer.com or PM me to get more infos.

Thanks for your support.

man, that is one UGLY miner. Can we see it hashing stats page please?

The prototype looks like four independent miners each with its own power and controller/usb interface. Is the end product going to be like this?

Friedcat posted a similar design for his next generation miner.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=641957.60

What price are you asking?

Price ?

65 DB ?  :o

Why not post a price if it ships in under 2 weeks?

whats your price?

There is no price, no video farming... The product doesn`t exist in www.rockminer.com .... That seems tricky  ???

I thought it was sexy....  :P!

DO WANT!

This is a product teaser, not a product announcement.

So this is the renamed rxbox which was supose to be 600ghs?  Or is this a lesser model?

No this is in addition to the RX-BOX.  They have 3 models now:

R-Box @ 30-38 GH/s

RK-Box @ 450 GH/s

RX-Box @ 600 GH/s per module


All ugly POS! Just playing.   :D

Power draw seems to be moving backwards in time.  Supposed to be getting better that 1/1 ratio, but this is even a smidge worse

Thanks for the clarificatoin.  Its better to have more models if the price matches.

yes but it's AM's generation 3 and you are supposed to masturbate about it.

Lol yeah I guess

Maybe they do or don't, but it is certianly NOT at the webpage right now.
What a confusing way to introduce a new product.
Just call them baby panda, mama panda and papa panda!

Not on the website yet, but Rockxie announced it on the official Rockminer thread:

It doesn`t matter is it a teaser or announcement. If you have a certain product which you want to sell to your customers , you have to give all specification needed and you have to post it in your Official website. Correct me if I am wrong.

But there is nothing to buy today.

Hope the price is cheap...the power consumption sorta sucks for a new chip.

+1

Gotta be a good price, I'm wondering how this will stack up to the A1 clones now down to 1599

Exactly this is the problem. If they had a basic knowledge of customer relationship, they would know how to introduce a product or service.

Be nice to get these for .7BTC

I'm thinking the same or less.
How does noise compare to the S1?  I'm more concerned about heat.

They are all sold out I think too.

ugly POS
1) uses USB port
2) uses 3 more USB ports
3) this wont stack vertically or horizontally with all the wires coming out at terrible angles
4) surely the back heatsink plate is obstructing enough air thats its causing excess fan work/noise (?)

Suggestions for design changes:

1) Change the X support design:
a) On the air flow output end you are blocking the air flow.
b) There are also two different X supports. One for the fan mount and one for the exhaust side.
c) The part where the X support mechanically touches the table transmits sound or can rattle.

X support design:

2) Use something like a metal plate square with a centered square hole in it. Have little rectangular legs on the plate. The point is that the same part can now be used to support the fan and on the exhaust side of the miner. This eliminates one part and a separate fabrication.

3) Now that the hot air is exhausted through a square hole you can now consider using a quieter, lower flow fan. Also the user at their option can install a pull fan.

4) Supply something like a cheap mouse pad so that vibration is damped and the table top is not used as a soundboard.

5) Or for the exhaust side just use the X support used for the fan.

If usefull: BTC 1A3GKZ4vhcayB84eBSjkZQhKMofdQCSGuX

No its NOT restricting airflow, its preventing airflow circumventing the heatsinks which don't meet in the centre.

UGLY...!!!

"AfroChinese" engineering... ;D

It's not your fathers XBOX!  When will we see a price?  I'm anxious. 

prices needs to be under 1 btc not sure if it will be that low.

I get a 12 usd profit if it is 630 usd coins stay at 630 usd hash is 450 gh and watts are 480 gh with diff growth at 15% and I staet mining it today.

problem is i start to mine it on june 30 so it needs to be priced under 630 usd to work if coins are at 630 usd.

  around .9 btc works   

It's a little more complicated:

1) If you notice, the center of the fan is taken up by the motor. Therefore, along the flow axis initially there isn't any air flow anyway.
2) Because the outer part of the fan blade is moving the fastest, this means that the outer cylindrical slice of air inside the box is moving the fastest.

IF channeling the air flow is so important, then just glue/attach a cheap plastic cylinder that runs the length of the miner to the motor hub to channel the air flow away from the center.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Rockminer-Rocket-RK-Box-450-480-GH-s-ASIC-Bitcoin-Miner-and-ATX-PSU-Raspberry-Pi/121362653967?_trksid=p2047675.c100010.m2109&_trkparms=aid%3D555012%26algo%3DPW.MBE%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D23423%26meid%3D7593419256632102147%26pid%3D100010%26prg%3D10050%26rk%3D7%26rkt%3D24%26sd%3D201106768875

oh - my - goodness  :o

really?

<$1000 ???
the shame in it is, some clueless noob is gonna buy it!

Selling pre-order(s) ...from China...

ZiG

Ohh good. Just what I need...MORE WIRES

Do not want

Avalon style :D

hey, you got them this price idea  :). 0.7-0.8 BTC would be better.
Did someone go through the whole ordering process?
Is shipping included in the price?
My understanding that it comes with microSD, but no rasp pi.

2RK-box=5 S1 in productivity
2RK-box=$1044 without pi and PSU, or slightly less than $1600 with.
$200 for 5X500W S1 power supplies plus $280X5=$1600 (the exact same number).

hence, limited advantage over S1 yet as it is the EXACT same price per same productivity with a small edge going to Rk-box in electricity consumption (~$500 for 5 ants for 3 mo vs ~$274 for 2 Rk-boxes at $0.12/kwh
No advantage if you can get 5XS1 for $240 each

I don't see a VAST improvement in price so far

Is saving $250/month on electricity not a significant advantage?

More like $230 per three months for 2Rk-box vs 5XS1, so $38/mo per RK-box or or slightly more than $1/day.
this advantagee disappears if you provision s1 at $240.

All i am saying essentially is that RK-box should be priced wayyyyyy better.

I do hope this happens but I am afraid there is almost no incentive to lower the price any further when the competition is at ~$1.4-2/gh.

Also I think that at ~$1.1/gh we are approaching what it costs to produce these miners (I estimate ~$0.7/gh) so I doubt we will see any dramatic price decreases in the near future.

All depends on price. Does this come with PSU? But we still need to supply the pi? This has to be under 1 btc to sell...

Yes it does need a psu. Not sure about the pi but afaik you will need to supply your own controller.

Also they are 0.9 btc each.

http://shop.rockminer.com/goods.php?id=36

So even with this aggressive pricing the miners aren't selling in numbers. What a surprise!

I wonder how will all 60PH going to sell with all these problems.

What do you know about their sales numbers?

BTW they are now selling for $0.79/gh excluding psu.

That's cheaper than your sp30 preorder which is 3+ months out.

And with PSU?

It may be cheaper, but it's more than double the power requirements. All big mining operations will stay away from these because of the excessive heat and power bills. Your only savior would be the uninformed casual home users just like last time when AM sold overpriced miners.

My SP30 is just one and a half month away!

Thanks for the info. Any est shipping date?

$0.81/gh with psu.

The only people who need more efficient miners are those with high electricity costs. Big mining operations will have cheap electricity so waiting 3 months for 50% more efficient miners is absurd.

To put it into perspective,

1PH farm of rockminers = 1200KW @ 0.05/kwh = $810,000 + $43,000/month
1PH farm of SP30 = 500KW @ 0.05/kwh = $850,000 + $18,000/month

It might make sense to go with sp30's if they were shipping in 2 weeks, but they aren't.


You mean those uninformed casual home users who all managed to achieve a positive ROI? (excluding usb miners)

Has anyone who ordered an SP10 actually turned a profit yet?


Maybe yours is, but not the ones you're trying to sell.

Jimmothy; you make constant bad financial decisions, this doesn't make you a know-all. Did you grab the opporchancity to get in on the Group Buy?
no?

you missed out. stop acting like a hurt child.

It's funny because every insult you've ever said applies to yourself.

And no I did not get in on that group buy which was never actually a group buy to begin with. Not that I would I ever gamble $5000 on a preorder.

Just curious, how much btc did you spend on your sp10's and how much did you earn back? I'd love to know how much a top notch financier like yourself has earned from your investments.

Also what is the going rate for pimping spongebobtech products? Not that I would be interested in ripping off naive investonomers.

You forgot cooling costs for the 1PH farm. Those will add at least another 30% to the costs and you will end up paying for rockminers 3x more than the same farm with SP30. Great choice for the future!

I remember that the last year blades were overpriced too, not only the usb sticks! Don't try to hide it.

Good luck selling 60PH worth of miners. Maybe you can do it at 0.5$/GH with immediate shipping :)

i am interested in one of the units. but i would be more interested the the rx-box instead of the rk-box. are you still taking orders for the rk box and will you ship one of them to canada.

With cooling added it comes out to about 2.5 times more electricity but electricity is still insignificant compared to the hardware costs and delivery date. (also assuming that the sp30 performs/ships as has been predicted by the magic crystal ball)

With cheap electricity (which almost all big mining farms will have) it makes no sense to wait 3 months so you can save an extra 60% on your already dirt cheap electricity costs.

There is a much bigger profit margin on 1.2w/gh now vs 0.5w/gh in 3 months.


You might think they were overpriced but they did end up with a positive ROI.

Looks like they are both still for sale but minimum order for rx-box is 4 units.

Don't forget 1PH mining now is not the same return as 1PH mining a month or two from now, you need to factor in how much new hardware is being deployed from all of the other manufacturers that are / will be delivering in between.

Needs more heatsinks, bro.
But srsly though, maybe but it in a box so its easily stackable?

LOL @ raskul && roadstress

road stress has the best gear available in the world the sp10 and eventually the sp30 will be better gear.     But simple math shows  buying the rk-box is a better purchase .     I can earn from June 30th to Sept 30th   ...   The sp30 is delayed too long.

 Also  if you are in the USA and buy a rx-box at .9btc you are not subject to US federal reporting laws.

 A transfer of .9btc x 600 usd = 540 USD   UNDER THE CURRENT 600 TRANSFER LAW.  So I am looking to buy these and not worry about extra tax reporting.

I would have purchase an  in hand sp10 but was offered a deal in btc only not paypal. I was offered to buy an sp30 and that was also btc purchase.

I trusted the seller but with reporting laws I did not buy the gear.   My last over 600 usd purchase was a grid seed blade I did this purchase via paypal.

I did a purchase of 2800 for a 1th dragon miner  and that was paypal.

What make these rx box items interest me is the sale price will work with btc reporting laws of the USA.  

These laws do not apply if you are not running a btc business, but i am so I have to report any 600 usd  of btc  transfer.

Finally, I got it, before that number of $600 that you cite was a complete mystery.
I know that any business that pays a person more than $600 in one tax year has to give out form 1099, but that's all. I was not sure that purchasing something qualifies as well.
Such purchase does qualify as expense on a yearly tax report, but that's trivial.
I am not sure what exactly you gain by NOT having your RK-box booked as an expense which could be used to offset the revenue, but i am not a tax expert.

Rockminer read your post, and understood that their price is 'too good', so they increased it to 1 BTC on their web site... :-\

It would be nice if it was priced under about USD 500, as the import threshold for GST in Australia is AUD500 (which the Antminer S1 met, but Bitmain probably was not aware of this).

Cheers

Thank you! Don't forget shipping costs too for the rx-box.

I don't understand how come you didn't get a SP10 for $2800 and you got a 1TH dragon miner, but it's your choice and I respect that.

is the raspberry pi included?

 

I do not have to fully explain the history of the btc transferred if it is under 600usd. 

I can say purchased a rx-box for 580usd.    if the price was 580 usd the day i purchase it.

  now if I buy a 3000 usd sp10    all in coin I need to completely explain  the full history of the 5.2 btc I paid with.

Or I am not compliant  with current law. 

 So Lets say I purchased 3000 usd worth of coin from coin base wait 7 days for it to transfer I have to list price paid.

  I have to list price it was worth when transferred  which is not to complicated if I bought from coinbase and moved it 8 days later….. But if the coins came from 6 sales here of .1 or .2 btc and from 3 miners and from coinbase it is a lot more complicated.

 So until irs gets it shit together I no longer do coin movements or transferers over 600 usd.

 I will use paypal which is how I purchased  my 1th dragon miner……

 I will use cc's which is how i purchased 5 gridseed blades.  at about 650 usd each.  I have a lot of back history with fed tax law so I really try to cross the t's and dot the i's

No.

Yeah seriously, are we going to need a USB hub for each miner?  :o

In the shop page, if you buy 4, the price goes down to 99 mbtc?
4 of these is almost 2 TH and the price for all 4 is only 396 mBtc?
Doesn't that sound too good to be true?

They already changed it :)

No you will not.

This machine looks like very nice, interested to buy

Gosh, the marketing materials get more and more confusing.

"raspberry pi and it's power supply for every 2 units"

so, do you need just one rasp pi for every two units or you need two (one for each RK-box)?
If you need two, then how many are included if you order 2 RK-boxes? One or two?

yeah and if you consider rPI and PSU for the miner  .... It is almost the same price if you buy 2 x 1 TH miners, but you have to wait 15 more days till you receive ur RK Box

This does look interesting. I don't have the budget currently to buy a 1t machine or higher but I can afford one of these. The power is a bit more than I had anticipated from the new am3 chips but still not awfull. Does anybody know any of the other variations they are planning on offering?

Steve

There will be a 64 chip version.

Shipping to USA @ 0.25BTC  seems a bit high for a miner that costs 1.05BTC


DoubleDD

We have them for sale from the US with much more reasonable shipping @ 599 for forum members.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=615464.0

I will also be shipping from the US. We'll be taking orders as soon as units begin shipping from China.

any canadian resellers yet? and just looking for some clarification here.
will i be able to use a dedicated pc for the usb cables instead of r-pi?
and will the prices of the miners be adjust per batch or daily like bitmain?

So the finished version uses only one USB port as opposed to the 4 USB cable tangle we see per box on the test unit?

might be able to help you with this ;)

AMAZING ! let me know when things come through. i will be back from costa rica on the 4th of july. and i should have more than enough for one unit.

https://www.wtcr.ca

Here's the canadian distributer.

No rx or rkboxes for sale yet. Only rboxes.

they are legitimate, but overpriced i think.

Rock xie is going to the Inside Bitcoin Hong Kong Conference between 24-25 Jun. I'm going too, so hopefully more prototypes :)

 waiting to order. I  have 3 resellers to pick from all three including you have been good to me.

I am going to see if they work as well as they look.
I am going to see if they are killer loud.
I am going to see what software works.

Right now I am very happy with the 6 r-box units they work well. 

192 gh stable just under 240 watts with a plat psu

You should hopefully see some prototypes in resellers hands as early as the 23rd/24th. Then batch one is available on the 25th. Batch one will be very small so if you want some you will need to get in early through whomever you choose.

Quick question.
Does anyone know if a 6 pin PCI-E screw terminal adapter is avaliable?

I sell PCIE connector leads, a new batch with 24" length is arriving at the end of the week. perhaps that is a viable solution? (I imagine you are trying to power the PCIe port from a server supply)

Probably a stupid question, but if I purchase one of these without a pi, can I just plug it into a windows laptop for set up, plug it into an ubuntu computer or set up, or configure it through an ip (like antminers)?
Would I have to keep the laptop/desktop running? 

Rockminer you best get your sales whilst you can....Antminer S3 is coming and it's glorious!!!   ;D

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=656461.0

It's too late now

For Asicminer Gen 3/Rockminer perilously close, yup.

If Antminer S3 is priced at 1 BTC per unit, their 20% of the network hash rate could easily jump to 30% almost overnight with the group buys and retail sales these things will generate. 

The S3 will sell like friggin hotcakes, no doubt, cornering the home/mid range miner and probably replace those Antminer S1 farms you see out in the wild.

They screwed me over so hard on USB's last year :(

I agree the RK-BOX is obsolete even before it is released. If Bitmain opens sales on Friday or Saturday the S3 will fly off the shelves. Asicminers only hope is that the S3 goes out of stock quickly.

Well it will need a big price drop to compete.  

 480/450 =  1.07 watts a hash

390/500 =   .78 watts a hash

    but  if the s-3 sells at 700 usd and the rk-box sells at 500usd      it will take a while for the power savings to make the s-3 the better gear.

some quick math .

   s-3      9 x 500gh = 4500gh     at 700 a pop      9 x 700 = 6300    watts 9 x 390 = 3510 watts

  rk-box  10 x 450 gh = 4500gh  at 500 a pop    10 x 500 = 5000     watts 10 x 480 = 4800 watts

the case above hash is equal     the rk=bx has a 1300 usd price advantage    the s-3 has  a 1300 watt advantage

1300 watts = 1.3 k watts    x 24 hours =   31 k watts  a day  

    at 20 cents that is   6.20 usd a day   so  it takes  200 days for the s-3 to be better if    power is 20 cents a k-watt.

    at 15 cents that is  4.68 usd a day so it take  277 days for the s-3 to be better if power is 15 cents a k-watt.

   at 10 cents that is    3.10 usd a day  so it take 400 days for the s-3 to be better if power is 10 cents a k-watt

  so if the rk-box is 500 usd and the s-3 is 700 usd     you are better off with the rk-box.

right now I have seen the rk-box at 599 from minersource   and not seen a price for the  s-3 .

Frankly  the s-3 appears better but pricing will determine what to buy.  

 Of course if the rk box is crazy loud    or either one works shitty that will be a factor.

 so I see that pricing is very important here.

nice math

thanks!

@philipma, don't forget to factor the Pi that's separate.

You still need a Pi for each of the RK-Boxes and a beefier PSU as well.

With the S3's power draw at 390W, you can get cheaper PSU's for each, or fit more S3's onto a large PSU.

Can't say the same for the Rk-box which could possibly be more than the hypothetical 480W stated.

Also, if you want the most hash possible, you know you'll be able to overclock the S3 if it's anything like the S1 (which it looks like by all accounts and specs).  So probably closer to 550 GH/s perhaps.

So let's say 5 TH/s for arguments sake for the 9 S-3's you gave in your example.

That blows the Rk-Box out of the water and out of the atmosphere at the same time.

yeah  psu's mean nothing for me ( as  i have more then 5 idle plat psu's)  but do mean a lot for others.

over-under clocking  is a big factor.

noise level a big factor.

the pi factor  is costly and the corruption of sd cards.

lastly if these s-3's work like s-1's with the simple plug in of an ethernet cord and reset after a blackout they will be a killer.

yeah this S3 is a game changer

I was all set to order this but now I am hesitating. I think a lot rides on price of s3 compared to rk-box. I think a price drop will be needed before they even release. Good for us bad for Rocksie.

Steve

The S3.. what is this talk?!

Don't tell me you've been hiding under a rock all this time.   :P

Antminer S3 just blew up Rockminer/Rock Xie/Friedcat's spot.  Consider it blown.   :D

Please do explain how you can make that ignorant statement without even knowing the price of the S3...  Go troll elsewhere if you're not interested in the product being discussed here.

We'll see the price soon enough.  Don't be so defensive, Rockminer are big boys, they can handle it.

No ignorance, not trolling, this will affect RK-BOX sales.  If Bitmain price it to high, miners will come here.  Low, vice versa.

+1

I did buy a R-box, it just went out for shipping :D.  The tracking number doesn't show up on DHL though, it looks like a rockminer number ne ways.  Any ideas on how long it takes to ship/tracking?

Are you blind... ???

...says on the title of every message..."...shipping date 25th (June 2014)... ;D

not complex  the rk-box at 600 usd  the s-3 at 800 I pick the rk-box.

but the rk-box at 600 usd and the s-3 at 650 I pick the s-3 .

I am keenly interested in both of these.  It is all about price  difference.    My other  two caveats are they work as advertised and the rk-box is not super loud.

.. That's the Rk-box..

My bad...Apology... ;D

Cheers,

ZiG

For those of you who haven't seen the Rocket Box video yet: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ekgsAmnNChQ&feature=youtu.be

They say it comes with a pi, usb hub and all cables.

Holy shit, spaghetti wires like you talk about!   ???

Something about a loose Pi and USB hub and USB cables all over the dam place just sounds messy.  And that doesn't even factor in the power connection to the PSU yet.

So far S3 has the edge over the RK-box in simplicity.  No pi's, hubs, put wire through this hole, then plug here nonsense.

Thanks for linking! I hadn't seen that yet. Looks really interesting, and I really like how fast the web interface is. I don't know if its just me, but I find the interface for the S1 to be a little on the slow side.

Not sure about that reject rate though, looks a little high :-\

Hey  in 10 days both will be out we can compare them figure out which one is better.  For now I am making a pile of coins looking to spend them on one of each or maybe just one not the other.

This looks to me to be the first close competition of gear in a while. 

 1 btc

1/2 th hash

 1/2 kwatt

size is close .   just need to wait a little  longer now.

this may be good for miners to have some choice.   

BTW  these may kill of all 1th tank size miners if they work well and are priced correctly.

this size the right to a sp30 type of miner.

Nothing matters besides ROI...who cares what it looks like.

Actually, looks does matter.  If a x wire snags on y wire on your home shelf, then you try to pull on one and it snags and the whole thing falls off...spaghetti wires does matter.

Also, this thing is not stackable at all, something it looks like you can do easily with the S3 without shelving.

I don't know, you get a couple of lag bolts in the holes on the bottom and top two sides of the X and you may be able to stack these. Not easily of course, but still stackable.

That is the fun part of mining...make it work.

*without custom work done.  S3 is stackable out of the box already.

What unit is cheaper?  If S3 buy it...if not snag one of these.  If you can not figure out how to stack something like this...not sure what to tell you  :-\

That's pretty much it, price.

If the S3 is priced decently, then the answer is clear.  If not, I'll have to take some woodshop classes for these things.   :P

or put them in milk crates like the ol GPU mining days, the crates are stackable

When I purchased the Rocket Box, the site said that the SD Card is included, now it says "SD card for every two units" .  ???
When will you decide what's going to be included and what will not be included?
I also want to know if I am going to need a USB hub and 4 USB cables?
And what about this power supply cable for the Rasberry Pi?
In 4 days you are going to start delivering the product, I suppose you have all the components from your providers,
just tell me what I have purchased!

Settle down, I'm sure they'll tell you as soon as they know...  ANY of those products can be shipped to you overnight from a million different retailers if they don't come with the unit.

Its now the 25th - will I get my shipping notification soon?

I have inquired with them if our shipments have been shipped yet, but this happened to the R-Boxes and I got them before the tracking number :)

This is ridiculous, I am asking a simple question, for the product that I have purchased and that supposedly was going to shipped 2 days ago, what is going to be included in the carton box that I am waiting to receive. It's not so hard question to answer unless the product is still a ghost

You think this is ridiculous?!  Try ordering ANY other hardware and see where you get...

Nobody ever said it was shipping 2 days ago.  It wasn't even supposed to ship from China until yesterday, they apparently went out today, 1 day late.  Settle down.

My order still says unshipped, today is the 27th, so 2 days late and what's with the big mystery?

Surprice...RK-BOX at GAWMiners... ;D

$729.95...

ZiG

http://www.gawminers.com/products/bitcoin-sha-256/rock-miner-rocket-rk-box-450g-490g-gh-s-bitcoin-asic-miner/

Yikes...glad I didn't pay that much for mine...  Plus they're not delivering until July 7.

Any new updates on the rk-box. Anybody get their rk-box in.  Any unboxing photo's. Guess I am just fishing for any new information. I am especially interested to see the final gh/s per watt.

Steve

iv got R-box [the small borther] works perfect - put up review and setup guide on my blog today - http://fuk.io/rbox-miner-review-how-to-setup-rockminer-r-box-bitcoin-asic-guide/

Nice guide, thank you!!!

Friendly advice, just run a spell check, before you post an article on your website. Will look more trustworthy.

Cheers!

Spell checking and grammar are the worst part of any article I write.  LOL
You should see the software grammar checks that want to change miner to minor.  LOL

If there are bolts in the holes where oh where will you put the wires?  ::)

Can I use the same software on the RK box that I do on the R box?  I just got my Rbox, it's running good a nice little toy :).  I have 4 S1's and am considering the RK box.

From the information we have so far I believe its a yes. Some settings maybe slightly different but it runs on same chips so it should be fine.

Steve

i think so!

Just got 22 Rocket box miners their doing great hashing out of the box in 15 minutes setup time.

Reserved for pics and videos later.

Check me out on Facebook.com/fiendsforfreedom if you want to see the pics earlier!

I agree... While looks may not matter, the actual design does.

If you sell me a triangle shaped miner, I'm going to have a hard time putting 20 of them in one place.

AntMiner S3 for sales shipping starts from July 10th

Bitmain is proud to announce the sale of AntMiner S3 for 0.75 BTC each to include International shipping. 
S3 is hashing at 478 GH/s while consumes 366 Watt power from the wall.

Notes:

1)   Power consumption: This figure depends on the PSU efficiency, ambient temperature and the accuracy of the power meters.

2)   PSU: You have to prepare your own the ATX PSU. The S3 ships without a PSU. There are 4 PCI-e connectors for +12V DC input, but it only needs to connect two of them if without overclocking (PSU not included). Don’t parallel connected different DC input from different PSU into the same Hashing board.

Features:

Stand alone: The S3 mines stand alone, needs no proxy server, ethernet controller on board.

Quiet: The customized heat sinks mounted to the hash boards, one box over S3 to control the air flow, two fans mounted on both front and back ends that mean fans are able to work at lower speed to dissipate all heat easily. This design let S3 run at much lower noise level.

Stable: Running 24 hours a day with minimal downtime.

Accurate: Hardware Error got from the sample unit rate is as low as 0.01%, hundreds times better than some competing products.

Efficient: High energy efficiency to save your investment on PSU and electricity bills.

Why didn't I order this instead of the "spaghetti incident"  :'(

https://www.bitmaintech.com/bmtech/userfiles/image/s3-final-2.jpg

AFIAK my rocketbox hasnt even shipped :(

its 6 days since the 25th was a promised ship date, with no tracking number or confirmation of shipping yet. Glad i only got a pair of them, since the remainder of my funds are now tagged for Bitmain gear.

We had ~53 on order for the first batch, Shipped this weekend (so late), But they are finally out for delivery today.

lucky you at least know where they are. I am used to bitmain shipping a day or two before giving me a tracking number, but only because they have elivered on time again and again (other than an S2 shipping two days late).

Not overly happy that my rocketbox is at least 5 days late, particularly since it was confirmed over email by alex on the 17th that "miners will be shipped out asap,may before than 25th."

hopefully seeing bitmain S3 units for sale will get the rockminer crew back on schedule and with some price reductions. Bitmain is offering cheaper hashrate thats about 30% more efficient.

Got my rkbox today. Bad I don't have time to properly config. It's kind of loud though. Need to get the s3 for comparison :-)

The class 10 8GB card looks blank. Does it supposed have a pi image?

mine arrived today.
1) shipping packaging sucked. loose cables rattling around, both miners have bent corners on the frame, one box was opened by the security agency.
2) class 10 card is good - works off the bat
3) BIG and HEAVY. way too much aluminum for the heat produced, its rediculous and probably why shipping costs a fortune.
4) LOUD. why do the fans not seem to be variable speed? It is really loud despite not being terribly hot.
5) too manyu cables. 4xPCIe is silly, as is 4x USB.
6) what is the ip address to reach the RPi once running?  EDIT: 192.168.1.254 on my network
7) whats the login for the raspberry pi?


update after 1.5hrs of operation:

the unit is stable at about 927GH for two units - pretty good. still waiting for the pools delay to confirm.
Im using 1 DPS800 at 120V per rk-box, with 4 independant 16awg cables that I sell, and the second psu having two cables and two 16awg splitters. both methods are stable without wires getting warm. (up to ~130w per splitter or 260W were 16awg, with clear headroom to carry more :))

the fan speed is silly though - how can this be turned down since the PWM functionality is clearly not in place and the fans are spinning at 100% blowing barely-warm exhaust and are probably in the same 70dB range as an SP10 at 60%

You may have to install lower power fans.

I tried but 70cfm fans were not sufficient - temps got up into the 55-65 range and 2 boards turned off. had to switch back. any good 100-120cfm suggestions?

also, after 9hrs operation the miners have 925GH hashrate but 12% rejects  - meaning only ~810Gh at the pool.

That's a lot of discarded shares.

I have used the Akasa Thermal fan in similar situations.  It's not PWM but it has a temperature sensor on it and the speed adjusts to the ambient temperature, up to about 105 cfm.  It would probably run full speed on this miner, but max noise level is 38 db.  Almost half of what you have now.  It's fairly reasonably priced too.

http://www.frozencpu.com/products/10352/fan-677/Akasa_120mm_x_25mm_Auto_Thermal_Fan_-_800_-_2300_RPM_26C_-_45C_-_AK-174BKT-B.html?id=bcsD8IWM&mv_pc=316 (http://www.frozencpu.com/products/10352/fan-677/Akasa_120mm_x_25mm_Auto_Thermal_Fan_-_800_-_2300_RPM_26C_-_45C_-_AK-174BKT-B.html?id=bcsD8IWM&mv_pc=316)

We are having a problem with most if not all of our RK Boxes on Pis, only 1 blade works at full speed and the other 3 almost shit off and only run at 40GH.

Mine too. I thought it's because I am running stock cgminer 4.4.1 which has only rockminer rbox (right?) support. ie., run at 270 freq max 290. And the SD card was blank (but class 10) so didnt get time to chase and find the right software.

Are you saying it's a defect really?

Rockminer.com points to an sd image for the rocketbox on megaupload that is actually an image for the rbox(1.3.1). You'll notice the web-UI is version .5. I had similar issues with this build. You'll need to download the 1.3.2 version from baidu(web-UI v.9). I have 2 RBoxes running at 450-500gh/s off of 1 RPi on the latest version, although with 10 percent rejects.

I also built the latest customized cgminer for beaglebone and an x86 box. They seem to be a bit more stable on those systems. I'll provide an updated windows installer sometime this weekend.

We are using the version with web-UI v.9, labeled Rockminer v1.1.

Disregard the previous version numbers I listed.

Right Image:
RaspberryPi_Rockminer_Rocket_V1.1.img (http://pan.baidu.com/s/11tnJ4)

Wrong Image:
RaspberryPi_Rockminer_RBoxV0.3.1.img

I would try running against an x86 build of cgminer and see if they behave the same way. It seems yours are being recognized as rboxes… I had the same thing happen when I tested them on a 4.4.1 build of cgminer. Also, make sure they are getting enough power.

I have 6 running, 2 on rpi, 2 on beaglebone, and 2 on x86 ubuntu. No problems other than 10% reject rate.

We will try some more things, I would be very interested in the BB build as I have a strong dislike of Pis.

Also looks like a new image was posted, 1.2.1

someone already downloaded the 1.2.1 version ?
What's the difference with 1.1 ?
I can't seem to get it downloaded right,
it get's stuck at 16% from downloading or so.

Maybe someone can reupload it somewhere else.

pretty musch same as me. after a full weekend its a 439GH/unit average but with 12.28% rejects.   822GH at the pool (ie: 12.3% less). If the cause of rejects can be identified and resolved, as well as adding a proper fan speed control, these could be an alright unit. but its not a finished product by any means

using SSH:

USERNAME: pi
PASSWORD: rockminer

/etc/cgminer.conf - contains very little hardware settings outside of icarus-options:115200:1:1 - is there another file that determines fan speed/PWM control and chip frequency?

I wouldn't fret about duplicate shares unless your difficulty setting is really low and you're worried about sending 10-15% extra up the pipe. My best hashing results were on ghash.io >450, and worst on eligius <450, although, I'm not really sure why...

As far as frequencies go, you may want to try setting --rock-freq and see if it acknowledges it in the same way r-boxes do. I compiled rockminer's cgminer fork on Linux x86 and ARM, and noticed in the UI that it's using a new auto frequency setting. It appears the default is 350.

different frequency commands seem to have no effect. I added rock-freq, amu-freq, and rmu-freq options of 330 and 12hrs later still have a 940GH hashrate with 12.5% errors.

I switched to a 90CFM fan on one unit, and it still wasnt enough to keep it cool. using a pair of 60cfm fans to col the outer heatsinks helped though.  I really need a silent 110CFM option available in Canada

Throw a box fan behind them. Seems to cool them off a good 4-5C

Has anyone managed to get their RK-BOX successfully running on P2Pool for longer than an hour?  Seem's they're having the same issues I had with the R-BOX's where they submit too many invalid shares too quickly to the node and CGMiner goes down and the Pi reboots.  This is the same on the PC running CGMiner or BFGMiner.  Is this a known issue?  If it is, is there a workaround or a way to get it working?  I have been unable to find any information on this whatsoever so far and I'm running out of ideas.

Dogie's comprehensive RockMiner R3-Box Setup Guide now up! (http://goo.gl/89YDhg)

 https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5479/14429094967_cc97675e4e_b.jpg (http://goo.gl/89YDhg)

WHEN IS THE 10-15% REJECT RATE ON THE RK-BOXES GOING TO BE ADDRESSED???

Also, is there any way to convert the RK-box to the new design?

Have spent the last day and a half trying to get my first RK-box setup.
So far this thing is just a major disappointment. At stock it runs at 280 GHs (well below the promised 440) bumping the freq up (by oh 30% or so) I can get it to run at 370 Ghs BUT that is generating 60% hardware errors!
 I have tried numerous settings so far and the best I have been able to get it to is 398 GHs (but at a setting that generates nearly 70% HW erros and thus is useless) right now have it set at 378 GHs and it is generating about 30% HW errors.
I am going to look to see if maybe they have a new pi image available on the Chinese site yet.
Going to give it another two days of trying to get it setup before I RMA it and order an S3.

With the reject rates has anyone tried going to a pool like BTCG and manually setting the difficulty?  That seemed to fix the reject rate for the coincraft 1 th/s units I have had.  Letting the pool manage the baseline left high reject rates for some reason.  When I manually set the base the problem stopped. 

No dice here.

Same...

Hmmm that is not good.

Changed to the latest cgminer. 1xrkbox and 2xrboxes are hashing together nicely. HW errors at 1.3% for the last 1.5hours :-)

Can you be specific which version? Are they running at different frequencies, and if so, how did you do it?

Installed cgminer 4.4.1 from the git source on the Raspberry Pi. They are all running at 270Mhz at the moment. I couldn't make them work with separate set of frequencies yet. Guess running rboxes at 270 and rkbox at 310 will be ideal.

OK. That's my experience too. It seems the results are similar (total hash rate) running the RK and R-Box at 270 or just the RK-Box at 320.
I've experimented with several frequencies, but at the moment 320 seems to be the about the most optimal for the RK.

Did you try --rock-freq=320? How is rboxes responding to it? I remember earlier cgminer had a hard stop at 290Mhz for the rboxes (when rkboxes where not released). If thats the case, rkbox should run at 320 and rboxes at 270. I will check this once I reach home.

updated the RPi SD card to 1.3.0 and am a little happier. PWM still seems useless, but cgminer seems able to accept frequencies outside of just 300/320/350.

Im running them at 300 now because i switched to smaller, barely-adequate fans (90CFM) that really need a box fan by the unit to cool the outer heatsinks if i want to get to/past 320MHz again. error rate is around 6% now too, which is an improvement

Yes, when you specify a freq greater than 290, it kicks them all back to 270.

Has anyone self modified the RK-boxes and gotten better cooling results? I was thinking about taking it apart and setting it up like the R3, but wanted to see if anyone had done so.

If it's pointless, then I'll just keep my box fan behind it.

Off topic, what was the R2, or did we just go from rk-box to R3?

Rockminer, do you have plans to manufacture bigger miners like Edentech's 900+ GH/s miner?

I have removed rboxes and am running only rk-box at 320Mhz. Hashing at 490Gh/z with 3.8% h/w err. (cgminer4.4.1)

I'm a lot happier after installing CGminer 4.4.2. I know have my Rbox and my RK-Box running at 320Mhz. The miners seem to be hashing at much higher rates and very stable. I'll update this post later when it's been running for a few hours. Seems like CGminer has the Rock and R boxes figured out now.

Ive tried to setup my RK-Box with CGMiner 4.4.2,  but cant for the life of me get it running.
Ive setup the .bat file with the same string that is working fine on 4.3.2 but each time I try to open 4.4.2 from the .bat file, it flashes up then just closes. Obviously closed the earlier version first.

Is there some trick to getting it working with the newer CGMiner?
Any help would be appreciated.

Just add "pause" on the new line in your .bat file...

It will stop and you could see what is the problem / error message in cgminer screen... ;)

ZiG

Thanks for that mate, it was erroring on the freq setting format id entered. At the end of the string I had
--RMU-FREQ=320 but got it going with the following.
cgminer.exe --Icarus-options 115200:1:1 -o stratum.btcguild.com:3333 -u x -p x --rock-freq=320
That last bit is somewhere earlier in this thread.
All seems a lot better now, hashrate is heading up to where it should be and the HW errors seem a lot lower as well. Also, its the only miner being run, no RBox or anything, just the RK-Box.
Thanks again, youre a champion.

Glad to help... ;D

Happy mining, buddy...

Cheers

ZiG

Did anyone replace the fan with a low noise, low power one?

The default one is 12v 1.3A, 129CFM and makes 50db noise (rockminer says 65db...sounds true)
http://www.nmbtc.com/fans/part-numbers/DC-Axial/4715KL-04W-B56/5267

Looking at the heating profile, the miner may need good airflow capacity.  
Any idea if these work? http://www.frozencpu.com/products/17230/fan-1060/Sanyo_Denki_120mm_x_38mm_High-Speed_Fan_-_2600_RPM_109R1212H1071.html?tl=g36c435s1104
102CFM, 39dbA, 0.5A

Also considering Coolermaster JetFlo 120
http://www.coolermaster.com/cooling/case-fan/jetflo-120/
95CFM, 28dbA, 0.4A

I 've made feet for my rocketbox because when it was laying on its belly, the blade on the bottom overheated.
Also I tried fans on the outside heatsinks and it helps very much with the heat, the blade works 5 degrees Celsius cooler.
Unfortunately the RPi power cable wasn't in the box so I created a 5V feed from the PSU.
 
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/31855535/2014-08-14%2023.45.56.jpg

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/31855535/2014-08-14%2023.46.50.jpg