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The truth is we don't get a brand new source code coin that often. Almost never.

1. Bitcoin (new code)

2. NXT (new code)

3. Qora (new code)



There aren't any others yet!


So why is Qora being traded like its some shitcoin clone?

Its a top 5 coin, only a matter of time till the penny drops.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=522102.0

Maybe because there is no info on it's POS, members from Qora go into other coin forums and talk shit about that coin. If you want respect then show it.

You mean the forging algorithm?

I know about as much as I know about NXT, it works on how much you have in your wallet, a random factor etc.


Why is that so important to people? Forging is only supposed to work like interest on a bank account, no one but a whale will get rich forging?


One thing I have found, is I got almost no blocks using NXT while I have had quite a few and I don't have that much.


Any other questions?


Talk shit about Qora? What exactly? I personally am not looking for respect. I'm nothing to do with development.

where are the technical details? Whitepaper? It's important to people to see the details of how it works, to see if there any flaws in the system. Sorry but to alot of people, no details=scam coin (I am not calling Qora a scam, just saying without details it is hard to believe in it).

You also didn't respond to my second point.

Also, how many coins did the dev give himself? Can we see it in the blockchain?

Like the developer has said 95% of people never really read whitepapers and would prefer a website with all the api and information on there. I've seen scams recently that had whitepapers, means nothing actually. The website is a few days away, was the last word. We are still in the earlier stages.


Ok here's the truth. The developer does what seem from the outside look a bit scammy. That's why the IPO wasn't that popular. And here's why. He actually doesn't care about hyping or marketing the coin AT ALL. We are now at a point where any new shitcoin has a twitter, FB, Website, chatroom blah blah blah. But he simply doesn't care about that stuff. He just simply just wants to build a brilliant system. I honestly don't think he cares if anyone believes in the coin as long as he does. In a sea of scams and hype being involved in this coin is a refreshing change.



What second point?

It was a pure POS, people sent in BTC, anyone could send in as much as they wanted. So the developer actually had as much power to have coins as anyone else who wanted to invest. He extended one more week after the beta client was released cause there was only like 30btc at that point. If he wanted to have more then it would of made sense to end it then.

You can't be fairer than that really. There was NO WAY for him to scam more coins than anyone else.

Yes, The payments are in the blockchain yes and a google doc. They haven't moved I don't think.


Again my impression is he doesn't care about money much.  


Dude can you actually read the OP before you ask questions that are covered in it.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=522102.0

What I am asking is how many of the Qora coins does the dev have for himself? What % of Qora did the dev keep/buy for himself? Not all of the Qora has been claimed yet https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=522102.msg7080198#msg7080198 what is happening with it?

Qora needs more transparency.

The point I was making about respect was that you and smaragda were in the NEM forum talking smack about UP but yet there are very little details about the Qora dev.

I think you misunderstood that discussion on the Qora thread. Two things happened at a similar time. There was a fork due to the fact one person was forging 50%, this has been resolved with more nodes. This is normal for a new network. Also Sharexcoin one of our only exchanges ran off with Qora. This was unrelated, so the discussion is about getting the coins back that were retrieved by Polinex as the Sharxcoin scammer was moving stolen coins there to sell them.

Again like I said the developer has held NO coins back. He said he would throw some BTC in at the end, he deserves to have more than anyone else could of got but he didn't and couldn't of. Personally I wouldn't do that, some of these developers are really motivated by creating something, not money.  


Oh and about the NEM thing. You really can't blame some of us who saw NXT semi destroyed by the unfairness attack 6 months ago from people like UP who then went on to make a rival coin then be revealed as having sockpuppets. Come on, who wouldn't?

What about cryptonote coins?

hahah This isn't on of those threads to pump a shitcoin my friend. Give a link, sounds a lot like a shitcoin to me.

With someone like you promoting this coin, how could it fail?   ::)

Well friend, cryptonote is a protocol not a coin.

Cryptonote coins are
Bytecoin
Monero
And a few more

Cryptonote.org

gorillajam, please, I love qora too, but try to promote it more quietly, you are a bit harsh. Qora is very young, need more development before grow, so please, be bit more educated or you will make more qora haters than qora followers. Only my opinion :)

I'm free to speak my mind, I'm not in any way related to the leadership, marketing or well anything with Qora. I should be quiet? why?  It's like saying a bitcoins reputation is based on Mark Karpeles.

I'm doing this cause I'm a believer in it but I'm finding almost no one has heard of it. I'm buying as much as I can.

Did you just compare yourself to Mark Karpeles?

ay. this thread does not makes me want to look into qora... and i love all coins!

i can see your frustration. You believe you have a good coin and everyone should look into it. i get it. we all got a coin rooting for (obviously)

But give us some concrete details/fact browski

Like the developer has said 95% of people never really read whitepapers

No but big investors want whitepapers if you want the coin adopted for markets, I am sure ebay would want a whitepaper, but hopefully there will be one in time, as you said the dev wants to get it right.


The developer does what seem from the outside look a bit scammy.

Does not help promote Qora, focus on the good things in the forum the dev has done, saying the dev does this and is not that is no proof of trust, his work on the board should speak for itself


All the best Qora team, looking for big things

I decided I don't want to help stupid people anymore, I lost the desire to help scammy types looking for the next pump and dump.


Go fuck yourself you scammy scumbags on here.  

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nothing i said should have led to this reply. do yourself a favor and stop replying. your making qora look bad with your childish behavior. you have no right to act justiful and protector of qora. especially since a lot of other people have invested into this coin. You are hurting them with your posts.

btw i said "this" post doesnt make me want to look up qora. I am following the proper qora thread closely and analyzing it.

Stop responding childishly and think twice before you make a coin supported by tons of people look bad!

+1 That exactly what I mean, if you want to promote qora find other way, you are damaging the rest of investors, I understant you are in your right to speak as you want, we are only giving you an advice, and please, don't answer us this way, not everyone here is looking into pump and dumps ;)

+1 All you do is put me off.

You've mistaken me for someone who is trying to persuade you to do something rather than someone who is trying to tell you something.


I couldn't give a rats ass if you hate Qora and never buy a single coin.

Do you think poor marketing could destroy Bitcoin or NXT?  they rose in spite of negative opinion. Qora will be no different.

You guys are literally blinded and drunk on shitcoins you don't know up from down when something real comes along. How can anyone be taken seriously with Karmacoin in their signature, what a bunch of stupid sorry dicks you are. Oh you put me off Qora! where's my handbag.

I genuinely hope you don't buy cause then I can revisit this thread and laugh MY FUCKING ASS OFF AT YOU.

For you information, I invested in Qora IPO and didn't sold a single coin, only gived away to some friends one million or so, and I wouldn't sell any Qora till see the potential in it once new features become implemented, the same I have a stake in nxt and wouldn't sell them because I think it's even more usefull than fiat "or at least I hope it becomes more usefull in short-mid term"
If qora sucess the same as nxt, I will have more money from Qora than from nxt, so I'm interested in qora success more than you think.

The thing that puts me off most about Qora is the community, it has to be the worst of any coin I have seen so far. From the 'LOL HODL TILL 500 GUYZ' to the in-fighting to the shit talking about other coins, it's just absolute joke and that's without even mentioning smagrada.

Maybe because people have had enough of coins now. It's been a constant influx of new coins and 'new code' just doesn't impress that much any more. 'New code' just by itself doesn't mean much. It has to be features that no other coin has implemented yet. People don't care about code, they need features. Better if those features are stable without major bugs.

Then you should know marketing, hype, guys going crazy on forums, FUD, lies, bugs, or anything is gonna stop qora being a success. If only people woke up to reality and recognize quality coins always rise in the end to the top of Coinmarketcap. You wouldnt be all worried about how me, some lone guy spouts off about it.

The biggest problem Qora has right now is no one really knows what it is or are talking about it. They think its a clone or a fork of NXT. The main thread is a ghost town, no posts for hours on end, while shitty coins have posts every minute. As a community we need to start talking about it on the forum.

They had had enough of clones and junk its true, so have I. Which is why Qora is something different.

Which feature of Qora is unique?

The thread is actually very productive and a nice atmosphere. In the last week we had a ton of crap coming from one guy with multiple sock puppets who quite honestly seems a bit insane. Otherwise there has been no major disagreements or arguments on there. We are in good company, the last time I saw a thread like it was NXT.

I agree with you in many things, but also think that you have to be bit more educated :)
Good coins will rise yes, but don't need to call many people retarded or symilar, they have right "and even obligation" to get money from pump and dump shitcoins if they can so then they can buy Qora  :-*
I doubt so much people are convinced that some bitcoins clone will become something one day, and me, prefear so much that they make the pumps and dumps in other shitcoins instead of in qora or nxt :)
Qora dev seems a capable guy more worried about the code than about marketing, let him work and once we have more material to promote qora and it's really stable, money will come.

Money is not about gimmicks. What did FB do that Myspace didnt?

Its a new code, so the fact we have some overlap of functions is cause those are the functions people have been discussing and asking for for the last few years. Like I said you are looking at this from a Shitcoin perspective where you want some monkey playing cymbals to make it interesting.


its a new code so its like comparing a Jaguar and a mini and saying they do the same thing so they are the same, Or Android and OS and saying the same thing.


What it has over NXT is implementation. So far the wallet has worked sooo much better tha NXT ever did at this stage. There will be an asset exchange and I'm expecting it to be implemented in a way that is user friendly. The hope is to add anonymity later too.

Whats under the hood of Qora you will have to ask specifics to the developer. Qora has said the focus is on being able to build future developments ontop of Qora.



Here is the key though. The truth is as an original code it has a right to run alongside NXT as an alternative to it. No one is ever gonna put a NXT clone over NXT but a completely new code with similar functions. It is a natural competitor and so should be seen as a real contender, no pump and dump but a genuine stab at being a currency that blows up bigger than even Bitcoin.

Yeah, ok, I don't know about myspace and FB, never used any of those, can't tell.

I wish Qora success, I'll buy some if the price is right. I think it's expensive right now for what it offers. Having an alternative to NXT is a good idea, provided that it can take off. Qora is way behind NXT though, and if there is only 1 developer working on it, he'll have to borrow NXT's code a lot or be hopelessly left behind even more. There are a few devs working on NXT and only one on Qora, there is no magic, you have to produce code, debug it, test everything, it takes a lot of time. So it'd be best if Qora borrowed NXT's code, otherwise it won't see a lot of progress.

Qora is young. But who is smart, buys Qoras under 500 Satoshi (10x from today), as well as buying NXT under 100,000 Satoshi (8x from today) so if you compare them to Bitcoin, since Bitcoin will rise also 10x, Qora and Nxt will rise 100x compared to USD within next 8 months

u forgot that NEM will steal the largest share of marketcap from all the coins u mentioned making ur calculations useless piotr

If you are uncertain about investing your hard earned bitcoins into Qora, consider Kora, a clone of Qora - 100% free distribution to ~3,000 users.

Kora is a 'whale' free zone - we reject IPO's that result in 137 whales!

- Registration webapp currently under construction
- No sockpuppets
- Developer stakes for compensation, NO IPO, NO SCAM
- Power bounties to community members

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=620518.0

Registrations will open approx end of June 2014.

Kora stake tokens will be issued on the NXT AE as an interim measure while we wait for the Qora source code to be released.

So the developer doesn't care about money?  The thing is, that worries me a little bit.  I mean in a perfect world, that is exactly what I want to hear.  This crypto world is not perfect though. 

The problem is that Qora has one developer who doesn't care about what other people think and doesn't care about money.  He is writing code for the fun of it.  NXT has thirty developers that do care about money and do consider what other people think.  The NXT developers want money so much they are trying hard to make it as good as possible. 

Who wins?  The small single farmer at the farmers market who just loves his organic and high quality produce and doesn't care about money, or Walmart who only cares about margins and money? 

In a perfect world, I say the organic farmer at the farmers market, but in reality Walmart wins.

This isn't exactly the same and the argument isn't fair because digital goods can be reproduced over and over, not like tomatoes where each one has to be grown separately.   But the parallel is the same when a big  organized bunch of first comers go up against a small and lonely new comer.  Sometimes David does beat Goliath, but many a man become poor betting on the David's of the world.

are you sure? :)

So don't buy. Simple as that. Stay in your box with Walmart and don't be progressive at all!

It amazes me how many people in the crypto world want to make money but don't know how to risk anything.

BTW - Qora did purchase qora in the beginning. So he is invested...you missed the point. He is focused on developing Qora not marketing or other aspects. I'd much rather have a dev in this seat than doing every last thing. In the end, the same as with nxt, the community is what will bring qora ahead but a dev like qora is far superior to other scenarios.

BTW2 - More devs will come on board, again as with nxt, to increase development. BCNxt was the only dev involved with the launch of NXT so your premiss is severely flawed.

he has made 8 updates to the wallet in a few weeks.(who is known for doing that we know? :D I would say he is pretty committed.

I'm not sure the idea of market forces are relevant to some developers. They are a funny breed, some really do love to code and create things. Qora has said he is committed to the project and so far has shown that. In the end he knows he is only the developer, at some point all developers sign off and leave the project to the community, just like NXT and Bitcoin. And yeah I'm sure he has some BTC invested along with the other stakeholders.

That makes sense to me.  I am wondering something though. 

Qora is a new code.  I get it.  That does indeed make it special. 

But what can it do that NXT isn't already doing?

There is one thing Qora can do, which NXT cannot.
Qora can sell on the NXT Asset Exchange, NXT can't ;D

What does Bitcoin do that NXT can't? So logic would say we should all be using NXT, right?


The one who breaks the crypto market is the one who can put great functions into a user friendly way. I'm a NXT user, sorry but it probably wont ever go mainstream unless it changes radically.

Qora picks up the slack and its focus is on user friendliness which it has already done with its wallet. Qora has expressed as I think that the winner in crypto might not be the one who has tons of functions but the one who streamlines the whole user experience. This is the ethos behind Qora and I think its a winner. *Dont judge the final wallet look on what we have now though, they will work on the GUI once all functions have been implemented.

Lets face it none of the shitcoins around are ever going to be serious currencies. Qora however has a fighting chance.

I realize that's subjective.

lol

MOST people wont touch a closed source wallet

You mean like Bitcoin and NXT was at the beginning?

Some people have a high post count cause they are smart and know stuff.....some just have a high post count. hahaha

We finally have something that is better than Nxt: Kora!

That will be an awesome coin. And much more features than Qora.

....

what the hell am I saying....

Only 3 persons in the world can code fast and stable and innovative coins:

Bcnext(qora) and Simcoins dev

Seems like the inevitable BTC Whale has started buying on Polinex.

Smart money always moves first!

Why would have BCnext just repeated the same mistake of a poor initial distribution????  Even if he is a great coder, that is crazy. 

Qora added a week as he felt the 30 or so BTC wasn't enough for distribution. Its then went to 130BTC. A beta wallet was given for people to play with and also Escrow was available. I understand some people have an issue with POS, but it was a decent POS distribution compared to the risk it was an obvious decent investment if it was true.

Thats like $70,000, its not exactly peanuts for what is in the end a bit of code. Anyway NXT is hardly a failure, no.3 on Coinmarketcap.LOL



What none of you went though was that the developer the crazy genius didn't turn up at the end of the IPO cause he was going through PM's. For like a Week!!

Everyone was sure they had been scammed and lost all their BTC as most didn't use Escrow. That's the risk benefit reward in action. It could so of easily been one of the many scam IPO's.

Just put it on a virtual machine that runs nothing else but this closed source wallet. Qora is selling at 600 000 NxtQuants (0.006 NXT ) at NXT AE, but trade volume is still low, the price is still too high.

What? haven't you just proved as a worthy competitor possibly defeater of NXT that Qora is dirt cheap? 0.006 NXT, are you kidding?

I am not kidding nothing, that's what it hardly sells at at NXT AE (some trades at 0.006 NXT) and there aren't many enthusiastic buyers. At Poloniex, the average price buyers have stacked their buy orders at is 17 satoshi, that's what market thinks Qora is worth, don't ask me why, I am just reading numbers the market provides and posting my observations. You may have illusions, I prefer to post what reality shows me.

Someone's unhappy coz his investment is not yielding big rewards ;D

This is awesome! Cheap Qora!

This also says more about the popularity of NXT as a trading system than Qora. If Qora can crack the AE experience then the field is way open to overtake NXT.

Well, cheap is under 17 satoshi, right now it's too expensive per what the market indicates :)

Polinex price is the market price around 50 sats. What this shows is that people even though they could buy at 17 and then sell at more than double don't cause they can't/ or don't want to use NXT. To me this speaks volumes about NXT's function. I felt the same about Myspace, over complicated trash.

You guys don't get it. The coin that can be sent easily, traded for other currencies and commodities and will have anominity is going to win. So far NXt is the best we got. I just don't think it does the job in a way the average person wants. Thats where Qora is gonna shine. It will be implementing features like AE in the coming weeks. Then see if you can buy for 17 sats LOL

lets get qora to the moon!!

Let's! But the price is way too high now. The gravitation is too strong, the engines must start on the ground level first :)

absolutely

OP, you make a post about new code bases for cryptos and you've never even heard of Cryptonote?

All your arguments here sound much stronger when you replace 'qora' with 'monero'(or any other CN fork). Espeically considering they're anon already and don't have to deal with waiting for qora to open source(is it really not released yet or what?).

I did a quick search but I didn't find much a few days ago about Cryptonote. Educate me.

You assume I'm in anyway against Cryptonote, I just havent heard of it in terms of it being a brand new source code with a ton of innovation.

If it is great! Its deserves to be talked about.

Links?


Edit: I found some stuff. https://cryptonote.org/inside.php

Interesting, but apart from anonymity what does it bring in terms of function. In these times of more need for decentralization I feel like an integrated exchange is essential to move in coins, commodities and fiats. I'm not dismissing it, just don't know much yet, will keep my eye on it.  

I think you make a very good point. I agree with you that it lacks a lot of the features of something like NXT. The asset exchange is a revolutionary feature. Does Qora have one already or is it coming soon?

Is it true that the guy who created NXT is "qora" on the forums here?

The developer is a day or so away from setting up voting which has yet to been done fully on any coin so far including NXT. Then people can vote for what order planned features will be implemented. I expect asset/exchange colored coins to be the first one so probably within a few weeks.

We can't know for sure if he is BCNext, I personally think its very possible, too many similarities in how he operates. If he isn't he's doing a pretty good impression of him. whoever he is he is proving himself to be a genius who seems to implement features that large teams are struggling to do.

personally I recommend just downloading the wallet and you might find you fall in love with its simplicity.

 https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=522102.0

what similarities, you fairytale teller  ;D ;D

Ill give you a cut and paste cause from somone else, that's all you deserve you well known Qora Troll. Whats your game, you support Qora at one end and troll it at the other? You might think you are smart but even if you do get cheap coins you do damage with your FUD. Some odd people with odd ideas on here.


***Thank you for your thoughtful response.  The dev has shown himself to be a genius through his work on Qora thus far or does he have other credentials?  I have heard the rumor that he is in fact BCNxt.  Is that still just a rumor?

Yep. I don't think we will ever find out. Most importantly that the patter is the same. Instead of years of development we got the coin within a couple of month and had 7 new versions of the client since then. We'll have v9.0 by the end of the week and the opportunity to vote what features shoud be implemented next.

As for Qora/BCNext:
1. He write "can not" instead of "cannot".
2. He doesn't worry about a nice logo, website, even open topic look. ANN topic was one of the ugliest OP on the forum. The same as Nxt's.
3. He doesn't spend a lot of time on the forum, but coding instead. He even missed IPO closing! So he's super focused on the code.
4. He is European.
5. He invented new POS algorithm.
6. He's working on anonymous transactions.
7. He postponed IPO because he didn't want to have the same problem that Nxt has.
8. Both Qora and Nxt have great names. Qora sounds awesome, Nxt was the right name for the first 2nd gen coin. So equally great.
9. He never denied he's not the same person.
10. BCNext's original hero account (one of NXTers guess) was again abandoned and 2 weeks later - there was a Qora.
11. As for the distribution - mining is lame, it is better to have IPO whales who can easily provide bounties for future development and marketing.****

Not very convincing, fits any dedicated programmer description, they usually don't give a rat's ass about design, but ok. Thing is, in all the NXT discussions most people, including CfB, agreed that BCNext is a sh1tty coder, as he presented one big file - the original NXT code that Jean Luc had to do a lot of beautifying and refactoring of. The general consensus was that BCNext is a visionary and can make projections, but coding is not his best skill. My honest opinion is, BCNext never existed, but feel free to disagree.

If it were confirmed to be him I would buy some instantly just because he's proven that he can implement all these features.

The only reason I can think of him not going public(if it is him) is that he's afraid of the fallout from NXT people calling him a traitor or something.

What you have there is an opinion, like assholes we all have one so i see no reason to disagree but I have a few thoughts :D We can't know for sure unless BCNext pops up and confirms Qora is him. Actually him not doing so is a little bit telling. Surely he wouldn't want someone taking credit for him?


I'm not sure BCNext has reputation for being a shitty coder. First I heard of it. Mainly I heard the whisper of genius when people mention him.

We don't know if Qora code is shitty to be honest.  


I'm not sure it matters, clearly Qora is very very talented and doing things others can only talk about but can't even start to do. We have a top dog in Qora that's for sure.

if you want my honest opinion and kind of pet theory its this.



Qora said he was involved in another coin but there was too much talking which wasn't satisfying to him. (he's not a conversationalist  :))


Some have said it has similarities to NXT but also is very different, we will know when the code is released.

What I think Qora possibly is BCNext wanting to implement his ideas around NXT in his own way, taking some coding ideas that others have added to NXT. I personally got sick and tired of NXT, too much talk, too many people involved, a bazillion clients etc. Classic case of too many cooks.


And if he's not BCNext thats also cool cause he is doing the work of the NXT team almost alone and hasn't missed a beat so far.


*Its strange maybe but the thing that makes me think its him is the fact he asks the community how he should do certain things, BCNext did exactly the same. Its kind of unique behavior from someone so obviously able.

The penny has now dropped on QORA.

Remember that guy who was boasting about driving the price of QORA into the 20s so he could pick up 30 million??

This is for you:


YOU'VE NOW LOST AT LEAST 2.5 BTC.

AHAHAHAHAHAH!!!! HAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=709634.msg8080339#msg8080339

Sorry guys I gotta make this its own thread, probably.

What a plonker!