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I was having a general discussion with friends regarding the Bitcoin Jesus fella who just recently launched his Passports for Bitcoin service for the rich folks. Let's say if there was someone who claimed himself to be Bitcoin Muhammad of the Muslim world. Do you think it would make the Muslim community furious and rage and most likely try to attack the Bitcoin network? We all know how easy it is to piss off Islamic extremists. Just a thought.

Dude, you need different friends.

Certainly, around 1-2 % of the 1.6 Billion Muslims worldwide may freak out and call for death threats. I don't follow where you are going with this. Do you have a question or point?

Given the situation with the recent film of Innocent of Muslims, I can say that public appearance of this guy will cause a huge stir in the Islamic society. But who now cares about this, especially in the field of virtual money?=)

Wierd,Get back to track. You go too far

Did the guy even claim to be the Bitcoin Jesus by himself? Wasn't it invented by other people?

And here is what's wrong with your proposition: You can't be a Christian/Muslim and a Bitcoiner, because all Bitcoiners only serve the one true god that is Satoshi. Apostasy is a serious crime that is punished by eternal exclusion from the blockchain. :D

ya.ya.yo!

stop mixing religion with bitcoin affairs, friend. and do not look at Islam from a handful of people who do evil to bring the name of Islam. Islam is a peaceful religion, we respect other religions. and mercy for all of nature. however, for things divine we have some limits. I guess your religion was so :)

That's not about mixing religion and bitcoins, it's about cultural resonance for this frivolous joke. And this is not a secret that such jokes can become a reason for this resonance. When stupid fans throw bananas to football players from Brazil - it is not mixing of football and apartheid or holocaust, but resonance is very high.
There are no point for thinking that Islam is agressive and rude religion, because Koran says about mercy. But representatives of modern Islam (and other religions) often behave agressive. And, to my mind, thay can behave agressive if somebody name himself "Bitcoin Muhammad". So.

There are things I respect about Islam, their stance against the degradation and corruption that usury brings a society and I acknowledge that most muslims are ethical and hardworking people, but stop spreading the lie that Islam is a religion of Peace.

You can fool a bunch of timid politically correct liberals with that lie but anyone who has done some research into the origins and history of Islam and bothered to read the Qur'an and Hadith as I have knows that it definitely isn't a religion of peace but an intolerant one that has a history of conquest and violence and commands followers to kill many of my friends who have left its teachings.

P.s.... cherry picking passages about mercy only shows that you aren't willing to take the writings in context and leads to further questions about hypocrisy and inconsistency. I do not need to read these books in the original language either as a good translation does suffice. 

Religion should really be called organized crime numero uno. From child trafficking to funding terrorism they are the cause of most of humanities problems and since the Renaissance has long past we all need to be a bit more acquainted with there crimes.

He should be locked up, closely examined and given meds to treat his coindition!

I think, it's too loud words about religion. Many aspects in science, philosophical, musical and cultural progress exist thanks to religion. However, crimes and terrorism too=(

A common lie (propaganda undoubtedly spread by the church) is that the church has brought forth advancements in life. That is contrary to the teaching's of the church. If you are well read on the matter you will know that it is a false hood.

Some extremists might get pissed, but most of them will just ignore it.

seing as this is a random thought topic.. here goes

i think religion was just the first method of getting common man to understand rules and laws.

instead of just shouting out 10 commandments (laws) they made it into a story to explain how and why its good to follow them, and have a definite penalty for not.. (the fear of the boogy man/ fear of gods wrath, fear of the devil)

and as such in bitcoins terms. its like a 2014 noob trying to write the story of satoshi, explaining the benefits of bitcoin over fiat and the conspiracy theories of government being the penalty of not following bitcoin..

in both cases, i dont believe people that were not there at the time which their stories are meant to be based on. i just follow my own ethics and morals.

bitcoin does not need religion, bitcoin just need bitcoin and people just need to use their own judgements and to just be smart and look at things deeply, not just blindly trust a story someone tells you.

Which religion(s) claim we will need a chip(miners) to buy and sell in the future?

LoL

May SERVER protect us all!

EOL

You want to say, that all arts have not been provided by religion? Ok, but all modern music and harmony grows up from church music. All classical music grows up from the church, because piano and organ grow up from the church.
Philosophy grow up from religious philosophers, it mean that a big part of science and culture grows up from religion.
It is not result of propaganda, it's just a fact. Historical fact. And a lot of crimes and terrors grows up from religion. And it's just a fact.
Significance of religion in science and culture is not same thing as God's existence. We know exact facts about 1-th and can't say anything about 2-nd. Don't argue with history=)

bitcoin jesus was handed 1 fishcoin and 1 breadcoin. and from the POS protocol he was able to feed a whole community with 40 bread coins and 40 fish coin.

:D
lol
What are your friend using? Are you smocking meth or something? How Islamic extremists can attack the Bitcoin network? I dont get it:D
And Jesus involved in all the situation :D Make me laugh
Are you really kidding, are you sarcastic or something?
BR

Religion can be a great guide for people but the legalistic side of it is quite dangerous. I tend to look at it as a guiding philosophy rather than a set of absolutes. These absolutes have caused a lot of human misery over the centuries.

I agree that religion has brought us some advancements as well. The printing press was a huge one. It also tried to muzzle some great minds as well. I think it is like anything else, in the hands of the wrong people it can be used as a weapon. In the hands of the right people it can be a great thing.

And from the water Jesus was mining wine-coins.

Labeling your statement's as fact's does not make them factual.

I take it that The Hundred Years War and the term "The Crusades" mean nothing to you.

Both brutal wars started by Christians.

Did you hear me? I said that a lot of crimes and terros were provoked by religion. But our culture, science and art are a results of religion.

Of course. But phrase "A common lie (propaganda undoubtedly spread by the church) is that the church has brought forth advancements in life" is too debatable and, in my opinion (not only my) is far away from truth.
Moreover, this topic is for off-topic category, but not for bitcoin discussion.

You have a very general view point, as we can tell, of christianity. You regurgitate the same propaganda piece that is a blatant falsehood upon closer study. You also have very poor english which is funny because it means you are more of a brain washed monkey than if you had a firm grasp on the language.

Not trying to defend myself cause there ain't no point. I still don't understand these personal attacks over who uses more fancy words in their posts. Not all of us here are born in English-speaking countries. English is my third language and maybe I should judge you on the basis of your fluency in the languages you know.

 

There are some countries where religion affects everyday lives more than they do in developed countries. The amount of destruction and trauma that was inflicted in Muslim nations when there was a Muhammad cartoon by the Danish painter is unfathomable. The entire gist of the discussion was revolving around a similar situation, if it were to occur. But, maybe, because I am from Pakistan, it might just sound too fucked up.

You completely dodged the point of my argument and gave more credence to the auxiliary argument.

Often Misquoted, Marx said it best....

            Religious distress is at the same time the expression of real distress and the protest against real distress. Religion is the sigh of  
           the oppressed creature, the heart of a heartless world, just as it is the spirit of a spiritless situation. It is the opium of the people.

            The abolition of religion as the illusory happiness of the people is required for their real happiness. The demand to give up the  
             illusions about its condition is the demand to give up a condition that needs illusions. The criticism of religion is therefore in
            embryo the criticism of the vale of woe, the halo of which is religion. Criticism has plucked the imaginary flowers from the chain,
            not so that man will wear the chain without any fantasy or consolation but so that he will shake off the chain and cull the living
            flower.

Religion was philosophy and "science" at one time thus has indeed been very influential upon the arts. The Bible, Koran, and other Eastern documents like the vedas should be required reading for anyone who is interested in an accurate understanding of history , art and literature in context.

Religion has never been philosophy or science, at any time in history, and has never produced any thing of worth. I know they love to take credit for good men's achievement's just because they were required to be church members (or killed), and I understand this is why the public believe's it to be connected with science and philosophy at one time, but, as I have demonstrated in this post, that is a falsehood greedily spread by the church.

Yeah, 100% correct!

Look up Galileo and what the church did to him.

Those who use the terms "Bitcoin" and "religion" in the same breath are acting like Bronze Age primitives.

You should never underestimate the ability of the extremist minority to inflict a lot of damage if somebody says something they don't like. That said, I have a feeling that if the religious nutcases of any faith start trying to hunt down every Bitcoin user everywhere, they're going to find out fast that it's more trouble than it's worth when they start running up against people with enough balls to fight back plus the ones willing to jump in and help their intended victims.

If you know nothing about philosophy - don't discourse about it. For about 2000 year mankind had religious philosophy - From Terthullian, Plotin, Augistin till Hegel and Shopenhauer.
And all Middle age's Universities (centers of science) were just a parts of Church institutes.
You don't understand. I am not defender of religion. I don't like religion. But science, religion and philosophy were together during a big part of history.

No. It's not 100% correct, it's absolutely incorrect. If you know nothing about philposophy - don't discourse about it.
And i want to know, what the church did to Galileo?

Was shocked first time I heard Roger introduced that way. Was mildly offended on behalf of baptist kin. After first time, inserted a hidden joke about his mother, Vergin Mary. Nobody's laughed at it yet, so if someone'd be so kind....

I'm sorry but is your knowledge of history really that dismal?

Take few minutes out of your obviously drab and wretched life and learn a little, mkay?

Go here and read!:

http://law2.umkc.edu/faculty/projects/ftrials/galileo/galileoaccount.html

Try it; you might like it!

I have finished philosophy department in my university. I tall you about religion and philosophy, answering on phrase "Religion has never been philosophy" and "it's 100 correct". What do you know about philosophy to say there are no any links?
I know history about Galileo and the Church, but they didnt done to him nothing horrify, unlike Giordano Bruno=)

So that makes the suppression of knowledge and learning by the church OK?

Apologist!

Non Sequitur ....

Even if we ignore the thousands of monks, scientists, and philosophers religions have directly supported... there are huge categories of philosophy that religions have created(mostly bullshit metaphysics) but still a great influence upon society.

I have asked you, what do you know about philosophy? I should enumerate for all list of religious philosophers? It's not enough for you that almost all philosophers from 3-rd cent. till 19 were religious?

I am not apologist. I don't like church and religion, i don't believe in god, but your phrases are often incorrect.

Belief in religion is a mental disorder.

As a matter of fact, I did know that.

I also consider "philosphy" to be merely mental masturbation and a general waste of time.

Someone needs to start "SoulBay" as a place to sell your soul for bitcoins.  ;D

Lending subforum fine as is.

How do we know there is a "soul"?

Curiously enough, but I think that it is waste of time too. But it's silly to claim a lack of philosophy's influence on science and culture. As a religion on philosophy.

And one more time. It's too off-topic theme.

This made me laugh  :D indeed religion shouldn't be an obstacle to Bitcoin, i believe the opposite thing: thanks to Bitcoin donations, charity and religion investments should be easier...

The same way we know there is a "bitcoin." Bitcoin uses a published blockchain. The notion of a soul is published in religious doctrine.

Another way to look at it as a store of value. Ask some people what they would sell their bitcoin for and they will answer in dollars. Ask them what they would sell their soul for and few would do it for any price. Some people might even be willing to trade for them.

If the soul is not proven to exist using the scientific method, then I have no reasons to believe it exists. (And no, religion doctrines don't follow the scientific method)

"Religious Doctrine"!

BAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

http://i727.photobucket.com/albums/ww277/IknowmyABD/buddy_jesus.jpg (http://media.photobucket.com/user/IknowmyABD/media/buddy_jesus.jpg.html)

Belief in Government is the grandest mental disorder, and the most dangerous religious sect ever created.

Exactly and that is why those who advocate for "regulation" of bitcoin by government should be avoided like the plague!

I understand why you say that, because you only see from the outside only sis. As for the evils of Islam that often you hear, it's not his religion but those who embraced Islam is a controversial issue that does not understand his own religion. they only take half-measures. and we are willing to die for our religion Islam is not for people :)

Dying for any religion is lunacy on wheels.

All I know is I want Denny's I mean Lenny's

What is going on...

Fanatical, fundmentalist "relious philosphers" are trying their level best to tie Bitcoin and crypto as a whole into existing religions or create a new religion built around Bitcoin and crypto.

They want you to open your minds enough for your brains can fall out, suspend critical thinking and thereby submit control of Bitcoin and crypto in general, to THEM, just as the priest, "fathers", "reverends", and other self-appointed "holy men" have done throughout the centuries.

If Scientology can get away with their scam, anyone can. Fire it up and I'll see you at the next Bitcoin mass!

Well, maybe the non-superstitous Bitcoin users and users of other crypto should turn the table on the superstitious religious ones and burn a few of them at the stake.

They might then get the point!

LOL.....spoken like truly  demon opressed sinner.Nice how your avatar has you covering the one eye and then showing your left eye- at least you show your truth with your symbolism...for the lost who dont know this is a sign of lucifer/devil worship.Look on the back of your USA one dollar bill on the pyramids top.The devil worshipers who control the usa put their eye of lucifer on their as well.
These demon opressed fools are attacking biblical things as the spirits in them hate GOD.No human being has a logical reason to hate GOD he gave us all life.The closer we get to the judgement and the end of this deceived modern world the more the maggots throw dirt a GOD/Jesus Christ...they live in sin and they become polluted with demons/orbs due to their sins.

I like bitcoin but it is almost surely appearing now as we are close to the end of the world with the final batle of Armageddon in Israel.This sure does seem to be the one world currency the antichrist wil support and force all the earth to use from his United Nations one world govt.


Revelation 13:17

16And he causes all, the small and the great, and the rich and the poor, and the free men and the slaves, to be given a mark on their right hand or on their forehead, 17and he provides that no one will be able to buy or to sell, except the one who has the mark, either the name of the beast or the number of his name. 18Here is wisdom. Let him who has understanding calculate the number of the beast, for the number is that of a man; and his number is six hundred and sixty-six

Ah, yes; another of those who has chosen to deliberately misinterpret Revelation!

Revalation is only a series of letters written by someone who was possibly quite mad to a few local and distant churches warning them of the dangers of Rome.

It was not really until the mid 19th Century that the apocalyptic curch began to develop and since then it has become a highly profitable industry.

hijacking top thread to submit this wonderful "church" imagery i gathered from somewhere, i don't know the author.
https://i.imgur.com/VHk2A5z.jpg