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Whether you're a supporter of Monero (or cryptonote in general) or not, I hope that many of you see the importance of (relatively) unbiased journalism. It has become quite apparent that CoinDesk is all but refusing to acknowledge the existence of the tech, despite its recent explosion into the alt scene. CryptoNote is arguably one of the biggest innovations in the crypto space since BitCoin, and yet has hardly received a mention on CoinDesk, nevermind an explanation. Two months ago this lack of reporting seemed innocent and excusable, but now it's getting pretty ridiculous. I've commented on CoinDesk's blatant omissions in several relevant articles and every single time my comments were removed.

This post is not out of concern for Monero, as the currency is doing exceedingly well and will continue to grow whether CoinDesk chooses to acknowlege it or not. It is, however, a huge red flag to anyone who looks to CoinDesk for unbiased news reporting and updates on the general state of the crypto space. They've just lost a ton of respect and credibility.

I highly encourage those of you who use Twitter and care about the issue to call their asses out! @coindesk

Since you comment on the site I presume you are a regular reader (I'm not, although I do occasionally follow a link to the site if it looks interesting).

Do you have any idea what is their motivation for not covering Monero? Do they generally cover other altcoins?

 

What motive would there be to censor references to Monero and the CryptoNote coins?

I've been a regular reader for a while now, and have enjoyed CoinDesk for their coverage in the alt space. I always thought it was kind of weird how XMR repeatedly failed to come up in relevant articles but always dismissed it as an innocent oversight. I'm not sure what their motivation is. Perhaps the authors are all heavily invested in darkcoin? I only suggest that because there's been quite a bit of darkcoin coverage on CoinDesk.

What? They lose credibility? Its THEIR choice what they want to do with their service

Objectively speaking DRK is #5 on coinmarketcap and has a $25m market cap. Monero is currently #13 (though it has been in the top ten on occasion) with a market cap of $6 million, roughly 25% of DRK.

So it is not all that strange that DRK would get much more coverage.

I could certainly come up with reasons it might get covered though (for example the higher rating on CoinGecko), distinctly new and different technology, community focus, etc.

It is interesting that they remove your comments and also interesting that they didn't cover Poloniex switching from LTC to XMR. That seemed significant, and I'm fairly sure Poloniex put out a press release on it.

Coins currently immediately above and below XMR on coinmarket cap are blackcoin and XCurrency. Blackcoin has various mentions on coindesk (usually as part of a list along with dogecoin for some reason), but XCurrency has only one. Cloakcoin is right below XC and has been somewhat hot recently, but that's not mentioned either.

So I think it is fairly normal for them to not cover alts below the top 10.

That does not explain removing your comments though.

Sure it's their choice, but biased news sources who intentionally withold information from readers are not credible.

Perhaps the comments were too enthusiastic about the coin or something? ???

CryptoNote is HUGE in the alt scene. Right now I count eight different cryptonote related threads in the first page of the bct alt section. It would be pretty tough for someone not to be aware of its existence. Additionally, it's not so much the lack of CN/Monero related articles as much as it's not even mentioned in articles specifically about anonymous tech in the alt scene.  

For example, the most recent article mentions XC, Cloakcoin, Keycoin, and an obscure new anon coin called RobotSexNickels, yet somehow fails to mention Monero, the coin that occupies some 25% of the altcoin discussion on bitcointalk. Gimme a break.

Nah, coindesk is busy pumping IPO coin:
http://www.coindesk.com/things-alt-mintpal-fallout-viacoins-big-haul-altcoin-kids/
http://www.coindesk.com/peter-todd-joins-viacoin-development-team-chief-scientist/

I agree there is no logical explanation for mentioning XC, Cloakcoin, etc. and not mentioning Monero.




 

Yes that tends to happen a lot. Easier to write a story from a press release than to actually find one.

what i was thinking maybe.

and they prob don't have any so they won't advertise it lol

when Coindesk was quietly mining with the first batch of Scrypt asics making a fortune *quietly with Doge they were *coincidentally pounding the "news" site with Doge topics
and now since they posted here at the forum they made all this money mining doge and were selling their asics and stopped mining Doge the stories dried up.
one of many parallels.. AUR etc

they load up on coins and spam the site with ad's (stories) for whatever coin they HAVE now..
everybody knows they are biased.. it's common knowledge.. they have little clout as a news outlet because of this.

i don't care about Monero and i think like most of the more popular coins the so called features it has are in reality useless there for rendering it essentially a gimmick.
if Monero was so great and useful i'd have gotten some looooong ago.. but i never have.

edit:
this minute there is 4 Monero topics on page 1 ....i think that says it all LOL
and by the way the trade symbol was a dumb choice.

I don't know if they had quark but they did make a pretty bold report on it http://www.coindesk.com/all-things-alt-quarks-shaq-cess-blackcoins-pr-pivot-and-dogecoins-victory-lap/

I don't think they only report about Cryptos they hold

I wasn't aware of this. If it's true, I'm disappointed.


That's more topics than any other alt has on page 1 ... but I don't know what that's supposed to mean. I support Monero but that's not really the point of the topic. The point was to raise awareness of shady behavior from (who I thought was) a reputable news outlet

It's perfectly normal... Monero don't even have a GUI wallet...  and they have blockchain bloat.   Monero is not ready for prime time yet.

I wrote coindesk a fairly detailed email about Monero about a week ago and have gotten no response.  I guess they have their own agenda.  It would be nice for them to raise awareness about this great technology so people can get on board while its cheap.

They didn't lose any credibility, what are you talking about? They have every right to ignore Monero if they wanted to do so, it is their website.

Nobody said this was about Monero you fucking twat, it was said numerous times this was about an article for CryptoNote. You brain-dead or what?

Here's the 'about' section of their website, in case you can't figure out where it is:



And here's their editorial policy:


To completely ignore something that's absolutely taken the forum by storm seems a far shot from "accurately, fairly, objectively and responsibly" reporting the news. There's no news, not even good or bad. How blind are you? Enjoy being spoon fed your misinformation though and don't forget to piss off!

Nobody really cares. Coindesk doesn't care, they have every right to do what they want (unless it is illegal of course).

They are probably Darkcoin bagholders.

I would think that CoinDesk has a lot of influence in the crypto community, just like Bitcoin Magazine, Coinmarketcap.com, and the Bitcoin Foundation do as well. It's similar to how CNN or the WSJ have a lot of influence in the non-crypto community. For example, if CNN published an article attacking Microsoft or Facebook, then you would see their shares plummet. If they published an article praising Obama, then his approval ratings would surely rise.


Well it isn't illegal for them to ignore Monero and the CryptoNote coins so I agree that I have no problem with it. It is a bit odd however and I can understand why someone who is heavily invested in BCN or XMR might want others to know about it.

I've long considered coindesk a source of low-quality reports. But it's true being completely silent on CN is even beyond that.

I think you cannot talk about the wave of "privacy coins", talking about all the bitcoin forks that use complex and ad-hoc obfuscations, without mentioning CN that is doing more, more elegantly, and at the root protocol level. It is simply not possible, not if you pretend to be journalists in crypto.

 

It does seem odd that they don't mention CN.  ???

You need to pay them. A lot. I'm actually surprised they're improving just 4-5 months ago they were pure BTC/DOGE shills.. until maybe AUR?

Take silence as acknowledgement CN are a rising threat to BTC technology. Anyone who does their research knows about CN/Monero anyway. :)

Come on over to Coins Source! We cover Monero all the time, most recently we did an interview with their representative David Latapie:

http://www.coinssource.com/monero-interview/

Additionally, Monero Has Scored 6/7 on Coins Source's Trust Index! Address verification is pending for a full 7/7!

https://twitter.com/CoinsSource/statuses/495740913549713408

This is just my opinion, but CoinDesk isn't a terribly credible source for any news. Their relationship with the Bitcoin Foundation and other businesses has been called into question on more than one occasion.

That having been said, I'm not sure if we want a ton of press coverage for Monero just yet. It's still in its infancy, and there is a lot of work to be done before we can provide utility and ease of use. The press coverage will come:)

No it is not a rising threat to BTC, nor will any altcoin be, at least not in the near future.
They just can not mention every coin, be it a good or bad one. Have you tried contacting them?

Here's a logical explanation:

CoinDesk are accumulating Monero, while hyping and dumping their pre-pump stash of CrapCoins like DRK.

When CoinDesk has enough cheap XMR, they will announce it to the world with great fanfare.

If anyone wants to do something to remedy this situation, I pledge 20 XMR to buying a banner ad for Cryptonote on CoinDesk.   ;D

Not covering a story is not "unbiased journalism". Besides, they have covered Monero before.

http://www.coindesk.com/darkcoin-duel-xc-demise-mcdogecoin/


Perhaps they don't see Monero or Cryptonote as significant as you do. Perhaps the writing staff are not fans of either. Perhaps there are no quality articles from contributing writers. Perhaps one of the devs slept with the wife of one of their editors (okay, that's a little biased).

Regardless, your accusation is not helpful to either Monero or Cryptonote. It fact, it might create resentment. After all, apart from plagiarism, bias is probably the worse thing you can accuse a publication or a journalist of.

The first time Darkcoin ever made it to Coindesk, was because of furious uproar at Stan for not mentioning Darkcoin in an article about new algorithms taking over alt scene "like X11" via the comment section of the article. The article mentioned "HiroCoin" and some country coin as great examples of X11 while completely neglecting to even mention Darkcoin, and Evan Duffeld, for creating x11. The comment section and the Darkcoin thread was full of angries, just like this thread  ;D ;D

Edit: here is the article http://www.coindesk.com/advanced-algorithms-maxcoin-dogecar/

Stan promptly amended the article taking the feedback from the comment section and followed up with an interview with Evan a few days later.

At that time similar theories were always being talked about in the Darkcoin thread about the hatred and censorhip of Darkcoin in coindesk. Funny that now Coindesk is being believed to be surreptitiously nefarious towards Monero. Hope they talk about Boolberry soon too !

Ok guys, let's get organized and effective!

Next article that has anything to do with privacy and is not mentioning CN as it should, we all write a shit load of (intelligent, constructive and relevant) comments about CN, and what it brings to the community, and point out that coindesk is completely silent on such a huge technological achievement.

If any such article is appearing, please post the link here!

"They won't write about what I like so they don't have integrity anymore"

Around here, we call people like you whiny bitches

They should not talk about the cryptonote protocol and ring signatures because we like it, but because it's a very major contribution to the cryptocurrencies evolution. They *have to* mention it, at the very minimum when they talk about privacy-centered coins.
I am pretty sure you are used to bitcoin-forked alts and don't know yourself how big of a change this technology is, thus your comment that is assimilating people here with "usual" crap-coins pumpers/zealots/whiners.

This is really funny.  I use twitter a lot for trading purposes and follow quite a few of the most well know twitter traders out there, and there are quite a few of them.  These people will tweet about any insignificant rise in any stupid shitcoin they are currently hyping.  If someone puts a 5btc buy wall on potcoin, youre going to hear about it, over and over again.  The strange thing is, NONE of these accounts (save one maybe two) has ever mentioned XMR.  Not once.  I literally heard NOTHING about XMR during that mintpal rise to .01, and that pump went on for days and days.  I would even tried to initiate conversations about XMR but nobody would respond, I found it to be totally bizarre and even began to wonder if all these different people were really like 1 or 2 guys.  Now I read about coindesk pretending cryptonote is not real, and deleting comments, makes me want to get out my tinfoil hat.   ;D  This all just makes me think the general consensus is, accumulate as much XMR as you can, and don't mention it ever to make sure the price stays as low as possible. 

Pretending the people at coindesk don't have their own self serving interests is just naive.  Even if it's not about accumulation, it's about something.  Coindesk wrote up articles on VIAcoin within a few days of its release and about the clearinghouse idea, despite the fact that it hadn't even been coded yet!  So attributing the silence on XMR to it still being in its infancy doesn't add up.  Actively deleting comments is a major red flag.

Oh yes, a lot easier. Someone who undertakes that kind of legwork might as well take on more and write a book.

As I already said, it's not even about Monero specifically, but the idea that a reputable news source is intentionally witholding information on major developments in the alt space. If you're a CoinDesk reader, you should be concerned regardless of your interest in Monero or CryotoNote tech, as their motivations apparently extend beyond reporting the news.

This is simply bitting yourself in your own foot because anyone with half a brain knows Monero and the dev team is legit and has a trusteable background in the crypto enviornment. I still think there is a considerable amount of Darkcoin bagholding up in this.

shell account from coin cloning spammer i have caught lying and playing games before.

this guy had created a coin and used the Trade symbol SRC a ton of us posted on his ANN topic he posted in Main this was used already
and he told all of us ooops and he would change it and he got laughed at pretty damn hard.
he never did.. he waited roughly a month or two and by the time he had arranged with Poloniex to have his new scam coin added to Poloniex
using the exact trade symbol we had all laughed at him about !
He seemed to forget an entire topic of people telling him he's
- a noob that showed up in January
- an idiot for not doing some extremely basics research

After i seen this mistake pushed through even though he had agreed to change it BEFORE it could get on any exchange..
i told mods on poloniex chat at least 3 times.
I had harped them to the point where i got a response from them to confirm they weren't ignoring me playing dumb.
They pretty much said who cares..
And they (Poloniex) did not change anything or even say they would look into it.
Anyone with half a brain should have suspended the market and gotten word to the dev.. common sense.
many many months later SRC is still on poloniex !
and the ORIGINAL SRC (from last year) is still on countless other exchanges and the network is still alive etc.

Problem is the guy lied when he said he would change it.. instead he buried the topic and tried to push on..
which factoring in he was TOLD he was using another used trade symbol means he is scammy ! ..he knew better..
he was told and agreed and said he'd change it but he did not !
then when i seen his stupid exchange stunt after all the drama that went on way back i confronted him and he went on to attack me etc.
proving he is a lying manipulative scammer even further.. rather than admitting he screwed up like he did already..
instead the second time i was just a Troll.. i guess i didn't have enough people to back me up on round 2 for him to give in and say sorry.

and the kicker here is this guy used the trade symbol of an established and well known coin from last year that was released fairly.
SRC is s coin that was made to mimic bitcoin's block reward and coin specs etc. (A POW only coin with a unique algo Quark v2)
And this guys newer SRC coin was nothing but a clone coin IPO SCAM !
So he was capitalizing on the honest and legit nature of the other trade symbols reputation..
He knows people out there would easily get confused when arb'ing SRC from one place to another.. suckering them into buying IPO scam coins.
He knew because he was told !
and he agreed and said oops and sorry and he would change it.. and never did.
instead he went and did the opposite and had it added to exchanges (that are too dumb to check for existing trade symbols)
then even further went on to play dumb like all that drama away back never happened call people a troll and attack them to defend his scammy crap !

this all proves with out a doubt the guy is scammer based on his series of reactions of the course of this year.
and he has made countless other clone coins or supported other scammy coins before..
and his latest project is some kind of TRUST INDEX
where now he wants to be the gate keeper of crypto issuing seals of trust to people.
i could piss my pants laughing LOL
This coin cloning shit coin spammer and IPO scam pusher has waited a while and popped up with more web sites / coins / services etc
and shell accounts..

ya lets have a scammer / spammer giving trust ratings and have em start and host the site LOL
guys these scammers are bloody ballsy as hell and they WILL NOT give up..
they simply wait till the heat dies down and they register a slew of new domains and launch a bunch more shit coin scams and doin all over again.

pretty obvious it's guy using a shell account to advertise his site..
and lately this scammer has been pushing a variety of services he started to build a reputation for his IPO clone coins.
so this guy is skulking around trying to name drop his web sites etc..

Coinsource ANN = https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=688494.0
and main user is tk808

I don't know what you take... but I'd love to try.

Pretty much this.  And to be honest if I worked for Coindesk this thread would make me somewhat wary of Monero.

Coin(s)source ANN = https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=572303.0

Of all the people I expected to completely miss the point, you weren't one of them. If CoinDesk is really nothing but a glorified trollbox, it doesn't really matter what they think, does it?

few days ago I sent info email to Coindesk about CryptoNote and they told me they are investigating CryptoNote technology... the thing is there aren't many sources, yet, mostly just the whitepapers.

btw, I also wonder why Nxt is there so rarely... but it is their choice, let's leave the coin reviews and infos for new projects, such as CoinsSource

Says the biggest whiny ass bitch of all time

Coindesk is paid to do articles. I've seen them do articles on the absolute stuidest of coins and subjects. I have no doubt that the devs of coins simply pay Coindesk to make a article on their coin. It's all revolving around money.


That shows how stupid Bitcoin news sites are. We need a actual newssource that isn't biased like Coindesk.

No.  I think I got the point.  The other side of that is...  if Coindesk is just a glorified trollbox then why does it even really mater what they think or report on?

I personally do not read their articles for the most part and don't really care what they report on.

But that's just me... ;)

The problem is that many people are not aware that Coindesk is a glorified trollbox (at least I wasn't), and so they think they're getting an objective view of the crypto space, when in actuality major developments are going unreported.

This is not about me being upset that monero isn't getting attention. A lot of people follow CoinDesk, and I want everyone to know that CoinDesk has a hidden agenda that is of no benefit to its readers.

i knew iGotSpots was involved in this somehow..
i could tell "conspiracy" makes my balls tingle  ;D

whiny bitch ?
like what sending me multiple unprovoked PM"s claiming a "defamed" your business (cloning coins at bitcointalk)
when i never did ..all i did was call you a liar based on your comments you made on here and then denied on Cryptsy chat.
and then after that you contacted Cryptsy to get my personal info to sue me and BigVern from Cryptsy confirmed to me you did in fact do this.
then....
You threatened to beat me up on Cryptsy chat LOL
You said word for word..
..you said, while Trolling on me with insults etc on Cryptsy chat last year (out of the blue randomly and unprovoked)
while your buddy cryptsy mods watched and let you do it of course "cryptsy back room boys bullshit"

then a day or two later you started to permanently deny you even did that.. then after a month
you admitted it and said it again.. threatened to beat me up and you were a big tough guy blah blah..

read the three pm's he sent me guys and tell me WHO is the "whiny Bitch" ? ROFL'z




and...
if anyone is still reading ? and wants to know what the actual "defamation" was it was this following comment he deleted from his "Spots coin" ANN topic


problem was he got mad his clone coin was not added fast enough to Cryptsy and he posted on this forum he is now banning Cryptsy
and he contacted BitJohn and demanded they NEVER ever add his coin !
I seen him ask on Chat too in front of me to BitJohn and BitJohn said yeah fine done.
THEN..
after that i came here and made one comment saying don't you think you should ask all the guys who bought into your coin you posted here
and ask them who have been mining it etc before going and having the coin blacklisted from it's FIRST exchange ?
He flamed me like you wouldn't believe called me names and deleted my topics saying it's his coin and i can go fuck my self etc..
then he waited a few hours and copied what i said AFTER he deleted pretending to have said what i posted
and that now he was running a poll asking everyone what he should do using my comment as the basis for his new Poll topic..
he flip flopped after hearing what i said and mouthing me off and stole my commentary like he thought off it even though he flamed me for it LOL
AND
THAT
is his so called "defamation" of his business.

and THAT should show crystal clear what kind of whiny bitch HE really is..

PS:
Still waiting for the lawsuit or for you to "come get me" tough guy ;)
fuckin' coin cloning clown LOL

edit:
i hope you morons who have been working with this guy learn your lesson.. lay down with dogs you get fleas !

Monero is a fork of Bytecoin. The real praise should be directed towards the Bytecoin and CryptoNote devs. Monero is just the fair relaunch. Nxt has the same situation going on with its own clones (NAS, NEX, NXTL, NFD, etc.). Not saying that there isn't a need for Monero though because Bytecoin probably has one of the most terrible distributions of any altcoin in existence (much worse than Nxt).

Most if not all substantive ongoing development is happening on Monero, since Bytecoin has blown itself up with the terrible distribution, shady promotion, insular attitude and numerous other problems. In terms of credit for technical underpinnings, that 100% belongs with cryptonote/bytecoin/whoever-actually-developed-it, but in terms of relevance to news reporting of what of substance is going on now, that is 99% Monero.

100% agreed, but the praise for the technical origins really should be given to the CryptoNote developers. After all, in all of the Bytecoin source code it says "Copyright (c) 2012-2013 The Cryptonote developers". That copyright notice seems to imply that there were no "Bytecoin developers" involved in the creation of the reference code.

if you want to have an article on coindesk you need to make them a bagholder. Everybody knows that.

Hey coindesk guys, get your XMR here: poloniex.com

CoinDesk isn't a single person so how can the whole site be composed of Darkcoin bagholders? According to this link (http://www.coindesk.com/about-us/), their team consists of 15 people and they claim to have reporters all over the world.

coindesk censores comments very badly and supports only certain altcoins. It is in no way objective and unbiased journalism. How can it ever be? It's altcoins and they write good articles about what they themselves hold.

I am only reading that periferal anymore. Some headlines and that's it. Hope other blogs pop up too.

Thanks for the mention of NFD (http://www.nfdcoin.com/) along with the rest. :) With respect to clones, the most obvious differentiation point is branding. I haven't been following Monero that closely - I'm sort-of wrapped up elsewhere - but as a "low information BTTer" wrt Monero, I think the best angle to keep working is Monero's enviable dev team and the support it has from important BTTers. Granted that it could be criticized as a somewhat sneaky appeal to authority, but authorities - particularly authorities here - are authorities for a reason.

pretty much i think LOL

And if you are not, you should become a supporter of Monero.

Monero is the currency which is most stable! How can it lose some credibility?

Nothing can stop the XMR spreading!!!

Coindesk censors are blind. Monero is fine.

Monero is very credible currency by the way! I'm not sure that guys from coindesk are clever.

Join my Monero petition! Lets all tweet Cryptsy and let them know they are missing out on our community!

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=731365.0

no thanks..

Cryptsy has a lot of markets but some of the coins with market caps in the top 50 are missing. Monero being an example.

It happens. Cryptsy is not the be-all and end-all of the altcoin world.

This is the best idea I have ever saw!!! Everyone should join it!!!

I have already joined!

As I predict four days ago nothing can stop the XMR spreading!!! That is why you have no reason to buy other currency.

It is more obvious than a so-called captain.

Haha! Nice reference. Maybe that will show them that Monero is the best!

I just don't get the link between Monero being censored by CoinDesk and the coin lossing credibility? Why is this a loss of credibility specifically? Credibility seems like a vague term thrown within this context for the sake of FUD.

Now you know :)

I too thought this was common knowledge

totally agree!

Monero was 3rd in volume among all coins yesterday, and is now in the top 10 by market cap.

 ???

https://twitter.com/fluffyponyza/status/713310806251868160

Plus 16 articles about Zerocoin, which doesn't even exist, including one Matonis classic:

Why Bitcoin Fungibility is Essential
http://www.coindesk.com/bitcoin-fungibility-essential/

Maybe Coindesk will notice Monero when Shen publishes the paper and merges the code for Ring Multisignature. (https://shnoe.wordpress.com/2016/03/22/ring-multisignature/)   8)

Man, that is fucked up.  I wonder if the GUI will get a mention when it comes.

It makes sense they are likely being paid to pump technobabble such as ETH.

I think they would be most motivated to pump those who kick back with advertising expenditure.

In my past experience, this is the way mass media works. I bought advertising, my product got reviewed.

Always follow the money trail when searching for explanation.

Mass media is a business. In the crypto-currency arena, this works most profitably by pumping unicorns that have no viability whatsoever (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1361602.msg14317769#msg14317769) so as to siphon $millions of n00bs' lunch money back through the insiders to those in the media who don't bother to investigate if they claimed technobabble has been peer reviewed.

https://i.imgur.com/r416IoO.png

Never rule out the possibility of nefarious political intent. There are many bad actors out there who would love to see a global all-seeing blockchain.

Of course media outlets always claim they don't sell their journalism, but of course that is bullshit. But buying advertising makes things happen. This is an unwritten understanding.

One can imagine a scenario where the insiders of CoinDesk were maybe secretly given some ETH before the pump started.

One can also imagine a scenario where the insiders of Ethereum have their fingers in many pies. Remember Peter Thiel awarded a $100,000 grant to Vitalik.