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Gentlement,

We are the Notorious AMT from Philadelphia. If you search this forum you'll read nothing but bad and terrible things about us. Either way, we build, sell and ship miners and that's all that matters, we've moved manufacturing to Asia and Europe after some issues with our original American SMT manufacturer based outside of Philadelphia. We've gotten our shit together and we're introducing standardized rack mount casing options to this community. This is our first option. We are cautioning off three miners full miners with PSU.

This is our first auction. Buyers can pay via BTC directly, or Escrow or COD (if located Europe or USA),  we are trying to develop some credibility in the Auction section. We only ask that the buyer/buyers do a review of our miners and posts it this forum.

We are auctioning off three AMT A1 1.25ths 4U rack mount  

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This is a 24 Hour auction and the and will end on 8/4/2014 at 8:00pm

Buyers can by 1, 2 or all 3 miners.

Go.

 

reserved

reserved

8pm cst? 

Will you accept the use of escrow? 

What is the power draw on the units?

Will there be any warranty offered on them?

What is the minimum bid?

8pm CST

YES we accept use of escrow. But a reliable one like John K.

AMTminers come with a 1 year warranty, repairs only.

This is our first auction.  You make the first bid.

3 @ 1BTC

nobody should buy these units...their company is scammy as all hell...do you really wanna give them more money after they screwed so many ppl outta hard earned money?

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=722263.0

whats the power draw?

1.05BTC each for all 3

3 @ 1.1 Each

What about shipping costs?  Also 100% guarantee some basement dwelling scammer will make an AMT_Miner look a like account and msg us asking for payment...Do not fall for this!

1 @ 1.15

Power draw is max 1.1w per GHS.  These are A1 machines.

Power draw is max 1.1w per GHS.  These are A1 machines.

This is not some alternate account, we are AMT.

We've shipped everyone's miner and we're giving everyone upgrades eventually. Please take this discussion off this auction. Let someone else sell something for a change your manipulative trader. 

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1 @ 1.15

2@1.2
Assumes that shipping is included (to Canada) and escrow, with a minimum 1.2TH/1.4kW speed and efficiency

3 @ 1.2

3 @ 1.3 shipping to Europe included

Some scammer will make an account that looks like yours and msg people to send coins via PM.  Something like AMT.Miners or AMT_Mlners...they try it every auction / sale thread.

1 @ 1.25

1 @ 1.35

Disregard my 1 @ 1.35, I thought the last bid was 1.3.

My last bid 1 @ 1.25 stands.

Dude last bid was 3@1.3

So you must bid more than 1.3

Understood. It's really us. and we're shipping them from the factory in asia (josh is still over there and will take of this personally) via DHL express which is $120 per miner if bought individually or $300 total. DHL has this weird over 21kg's. DHL Air express is literally 2-3 days total. We really dont want to include shipping.

Also please know these miners do come with integrated power supplies. They are also rack mountable and will fit any standard rack mount cage. We can also throw in a TPlink wifi dongle so you access them wireless.

so shipping is not included and will be $120 each or 300 for all three?

Seems so  :(  300 for all 3 or 120 for just one unit

OP should have stated that in the beginning

first auction guys. but yes these are 30+lbs machines guys..  $120 is what we'd pay from PA to CA. Its a normal shipping price.

3 @ 2btc gets free shiping.

S3's go for .75 x 2 all the time, but your only getting about 900ghs and no supply. This is an integrated miner. so 1.75 a piece would be a fair price. 3 or 1 @ 1.9  gets free shipping. How about that.

S3's go for .75 x 2 all the time, but your only getting about 900ghs and no power supply.

This is an integrated miner that runs at 1.25ths and can be clocked to 1.35 if you dont mind the HW errors, so 1.75 a piece would be a fair market price. 3 2 or 1 @ 1.9  gets free shipping. How about that.

Auction closes at 8pm today btw.

Ill take the other two at 1.35.

That guy misunderstood the bid he made and removed it in the other post

The last bid was 3 @ 1.3 from me so i think i deserve the other unit

Yeah, but when you order an S3, odds are they'll be delivered on time. Buyers here need to be aware that the odds of an on-time delivery from AMT is virtually 0%.

and remember to escrow ;)

Ok so do we have to give it out for 1.35 now? Cause that's not even an cost price. Again first auction, can we refuse because it's the price is too little? Fucking  2 S3's are 900ghs, consumer more power per ghs and go for 1.5 without a supply.

We need at least 1.7 for these miners guys, that's our build cost.  And shipping is immediate, really. Like today.

Ok so do we have to give it out for 1.35 now? Cause that's not even an at cost price. Again this is our first auction, can we refuse because it's the price is too little? Fucking  2x S3's are 900ghs, consumer more power per ghs and go for 1.5 without a supply.

We need at least 1.7 for these miners guys, that's our build cost.  And shipping is immediate, really. Like today.

That is not really how it works, if you wanted a minimum amount you should have set a minimum bid amount or a reserve. To be honest I am surprised the bids got to 1.3 (read more carefully and you will see it did not hit 1.35 before the end of auction) with the reputation you have on this forum.

everything you do turns to crap...you sure you didn't work at bfl at some point? either honor the auction or face neg. trust from the angry auction winners bout all you can do at this point

Then learn how auctions work...set a minimum bid aka: a reserve 

Did OP sold the units to anyone ?? What happened with this auction??

He changed the terms mid auction...

And then again after it was finished.

And I doubt anyone will get a unit from them...

TL;DR
I won two units at 1.35BTC based on the extended auction timeframe. OP might reneg on the auction guidelines.

I expect 2 of these units, and to pay using escrow in the next 24hrs and shipment within 24hrs of that. I have sent a PM to AMT-Miners and expect them to fulfill the requirements of operating a legitimate auction. Otherwise I will leave negative feedback and request anyone else involved in this auction do the same.

Yups off course .. keep us informed

good luck but i wouldn't hold my breath

whatever happens happens. I welcome the opportunity to leave positive OR negative trust for the user as the honoring of this auction could determine how many machines they actually sell, and unsold stock will very quickly depreciate.

ps: I would not pay more than 1.6BTC for these based on spec and reputation, so OP claiming after the 'winning' bids that the price was unfair and should have been a minimum value is entirely against the rules and spirit of an auction

if i were you i wouldn't buy anything from them... you sure think you got a good deal now but did you think of what would happen to their support in future? they shipped broken miners, left buyers hanging before... anyways your decision, just saying..

Still trying to figure out the winner but yes we will ship these out immediately.

It looks like braindead has 3@ 1.5 based on a PM he sent two days ago that we missed, not sure if that counts though.

Learning the rules.

This is the PM.  Does that count or no?

Its either Klondike or Braindead..

Ok,

We have to abide by the auction rules,and learn from this one. We've reviewed this and at least two need to be sent to Klondike at 1.35.

Please facilitate escrow within the next few hours so that they can get shipped out today. Also add pm your address for a shipping quote. If you're anywhere in America it's about $120 from, so add $120 x 2. This is a substantial loss on our side btw,but now we know for the next auction which we'll be posting shortly.

pl use forum time

Thank you. Its morning here and I likely will not be able to arrange payment while at work until this evening.

Shipping would be to Toronto, Ontario, Canada
Escrow could be via CanaryInTheMine or Bitpop - I have reached out to both and await response from them. I would like the terms of escrow to allow 48hrs from delivery for me to inspect the miners and run long enough to ensure they run stable before escrow is released (Can release earlier if no problems arise)

regards,

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Shipping to Canada is more expensive, we have discounts to US and Europe based on our contract with DHL and have registered company acounts in both USA and EU. Our quote for express to Toronto from Shenzhen for each unit is $360 (18kgs, 22inches (wide) x 8inches high 22inches long) per machine based on a quote we just got from DHL. Alternatively, we can give you the address of our ware house in shenzhen and you request a pickup yourself if you get a better quote.

Below is not the rack mount model, but we use the same boxes and packaging for both rack mount and non-rack mount models. Posting pics (just taken) just give to give an idea of the size of the box.

You will be receiving the rack mount model, please do not confuse the miner in pic as the one you'll be receiving. 

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Can we use John K instead.

Lol wow seriously? I'm out this is way too shady

No offense meant by that, but there are some negative reviews there one just yesterday which said "fraud". And again, this is our first auction, and pretty much our first escrow too.

First those are sent feedbacks, 2, John k has been mia for a year.

Really?  That alone should prove that we have never used escrow. And now we feel stupid.

No problem, good luck.

Easy misunderstanding at first glance of sent vs received reputation. The bad reputation was sent TO an imposter 'trezor' account.

I still am happy to go ahead with escrow using bit pop who has a great reputation and no reason to dissappear with a measly ~3btc.

Please see if other shipment methods may be competitive - it seems strange that shipping to Canada would cost 3x shipping to the United states does, almost a full bitcoin difference in price.

If you can provide an exact BTC value for 2.7btc plus shipping costs I can move funds to the escrow address asap. I would request that the packages be marked with the auction value or $500 each to spare some expense at the time of delivery

We'll check some other companies and get back to you, but its like 7:30pm over there so anyway it'll ship tomorrow. Tomorrow morning (your evening) and would most likely arrive on Saturday. we'll see about UPS i they can provide a better quote. The difference in price is because we have discounted rates to and from to specific territories with DHL.Like Shenzhen/Hongkong - Eastcoast, BG- EUROZONE discounts etc. We'll check in the morning and get back to you.

For legit escrows the following are active and trusted...  TomatoCage / OgNasty / Escrow.ms  I have used all of these guys and trusted them with a lot more than 2-3 Bitcoins.

I do recommend bitpop, used his escrow service couple of times and everything was great.

FYI, john K. isn't mia anymore...but i don't think he is doing escrows anymore...i pm'd him once for an escrow and he never responded, but his account is active again...

Have used bitpop 2-3 times, all went flawless.

It's been 24hrs since the last message by amt_miners and no pm contact either.

What's going on? Bitpop accepted doing escrow and i am willing to pay the unexpectedly high shipping charges to shop today

Think the unexpectedly high shipping is just them trying to save the low auction bid amount? My guess would be yes hehe least you're making them work really hard for their money

I checked on UPS tracking info for AMT's given measurements and it quoted me about $350-500 per unit and depending on urgency. I suspect it could be done for less if they have a DHL agent, but even that shipping price i can justify paying based on my bid.

nonetheless its been some time since I won and another 36+ hours since I arranged an escrow provider (Bitpop) and accepted that i might pay more than $120 per miner for delivery. I'm losing patience, particularly after I was already approached by an 'AMTminers' scammer on PM

sorry but i think your crazy to pay that much on top of the auction price...i'd just ship'em snail mail and hope for the best hehe...but its your money n investment ;) good luck ta ya...if you even get the units lol

Sorry about the delay,

We've been waiting for cheaper quotes and for UPS and FEDEX to get back to us with promises of a competitive quote but they haven't. What do you want to do?

You guys have a whole thread for selling things "AMT Garage Sale" and you're just now contacting different shipping companies for the best rates?

Crashoveride54902 makes a good point - what sort of price and timing to ship with EMS or similar? $720 DHL shipping would take the first two weeks of running to pay for, so if it can be shipped for less and take a few extra days that could be worthwhike.

If not, please provide the full btc amount for the miners shipped to M6K2Z0 canada and I'll send payment to the Bitpop escrow address today.

Just to let you guys know that AMT contacted me regarding the miner i won on this auction and i canceled the deal

They gave me strange answers and quotation regarding the delivery expenses and also didn´t agree with the terms of escrow service

Off course i will leave negative feedback on their trust, this deal was only a lost of time

Yea we've never really worked with escrow, nor sold directly on this forum. We'll just get the site back and clients can buy from there.

We offered Braindead 3 1ths miners for 4 BTC. The express DHL shipping cost was 95 euro from BG to Portugal where he is located. 4 BTC for 3Th is a good enough deal for hardware, its less than .75 cents per GHS. Then we asked him to cover shipping at least right, and he didnt want to, so its better just to sell to these 1th's without all the BS.

We understand the need for escrow and shipping terms and stuff like that, but miner manufacturers these days make such small margins on new productions its almost not worth it and chip companies are creating the environment for just that purpose.

We want to make everyone happy right, but we're not going broke while do it.

Also we hesitant to work with escrow, we've never done it really, so like.. how do we know that the escrow agent isn't in cohorts with the buyer. Like, is there an escrow agent rating system like dogie does for hardware? Thats a serious question and these are just our serious concerns. We have hardware that we want to move immediately but don't want to go through hoops to do it thats all.

The above was an attempt to edit but we quoted.

We emphasized on the 95 euro per 22kg over night express DHL shipping rate for a 22kg machine from BG to Portugal.

And commented on Klondikes situation and we cants get a better rate to canada but we can host the miners for him instead, maybe that would be just be easier and more immediate activation.

Absolutely no hosting. I already have enough concerns building over your ability to deliver a miner for an auction I won several days ago, so i do not want to take the risks of having you host my hardware (which would effectively remove the ability for escrow)

Please provide a total value in btc that i can pay for 2 miners shipped to toronto.


Ps: since shipping to the USA is supposedly cheaper - if anyone wants to take my spot for 1.45btc per miner (plus the $120/ea shipping) let me know. It would be a good deal for you and save me some money on the high shipping cost

Yes AMT wanted to send me miners 1 TH from Europe i accepted with the condition of delivery offer because i was going to loose 750mh on 3 miners, the advertised ones where 1,25TH

The deal was accepted by him, then he didn´t accept escrow service provided by Ognasty, where the payment was only release after i tested the miners, after he also told delivery was more expensive than expected and i must pay for delivery ... anyway i dont care anymore i´m out

Ognasty also refused to provide escrow for this bussiness with AMT and refunded me the BTC

I'm also refusing this escrow

when I first saw this auction posted I figured it would end up as a cluster, I never expect it to be this bad.

i did...just a 15min search of AMT, and i already decided everything they touch turns to shit :) like most asic companies...the usual...wish a bunch of miners could start a asic company...would blow everyone outta the water ;D oh well glad nobody got scammed with this clusterfuck hehe

If Miners started the company they would never sale a machine,  they would just keep them and mine.  Well alright,  they would sale machines once a better one was developed and they had upgraded. 

or do both but better then other asic companies hehe cause we'd actually care bout the miners...hmmm til the greed monster would set in idk...guess we're all just screwed from the start hehe

at this point I am leaving negative review - this auction degraded into absolute bullshit the moment AMT_miners realised noone is willing to pay the price they hoped.

first they insulted my escrow provider, who has a fantastic reputation
then the shipping costs tripled
then they offered to host my equipment (ie: no escrow)


as far as im concerned this is a total scam. I gave AMT the benefit of the doubt and they shat all over everything.

This auction was an epic fail. Any person that posts up an auction should have all the details figured out aged of time. Sounds like Amt don't want to get scammed yet they are the ones with the bad rep.

i gave them neg. as well...i think its only fair for what they have pulled

these guys are con artist. they have not delivered my 1.2TH machine yet from last year! i paid them $6,000 for order #610 and i have got nothing but attitude from the owner Josh Zipkin since day 1!!

actually, they are now trying to purchase $1,000 1th machines from china and pass them off as the $6,000 miner i bought last year. im telling you DO NOT BUY FROM AMT MINERS THEY ARE CROOKS! they have not delivered me a fucking thing! all the owner josh zipkin does is tell me what an asshole i am for berating him for being such a scammy douche bag.

AMT makes BFL look like boy scouts.

karma - it's a motherfucker and josh zipkin knows it. he has scammed a LOT of people including myself. im out $6,000 cash because im an idiot for trusting him.

But, but, but... these miners are not being shipped from PA. They're being manufactured and shipped from China according to the pics in the OP.

BTW, wonderful Freudian slip highlighted below:

Maybe it wasn't a Freudian slip after all: We are cautioning off three miners full miners with PSU.

Check out previously delivered miners

https://www.facebook.com/AMTUsers

and RMA shipments back to AMT have been refused.

But, but, but... "we are trying to develop some credibility in the Auction section."

"Please write a review of how we're doing so far."

Business is so brisk, and we are so busy, we at AMT opted to conduct an auction on the very forum we loathe to build up our cred. With Captain Joshuz Zipkin at the helm, we're sure we'll have no problem accomplishing the task at hand.

Josh Zipkin has never lied to anybody, but his American business was destroyed by morons on this forum. It just saddens us that those very few morons are the ones that trusted in us first sending us their precious bitcoins. For punishment, we've opted to not send them the miners they ordered or a refund till a lawsuit is settled AND we get the funds back from IMET that Joshua Zipkin wrote a bad $200,000 check for.

Regards,

Scott (not my real name or a real person)

But, but, but... "we are trying to develop some credibility in the Auction section."

"Please write a review of how we're doing so far."

Business is so brisk, and we are so busy, we at AMT opted to conduct a cauction on the very forum we loathe to build up our cred. With Captain Joshuz Zipkin at the helm, we're sure we'll have no problem accomplishing the task at hand and what nut.

Josh Zipkin has never lied to anybody, but his American business was destroyed by morons on this forum. It just saddens us that those very few morons are the ones that trusted in us first sending us their precious bitcoins so that we can get our feet on the ground and real scam bitcoiners. For punishment, we've opted to not send them the miners they ordered or a refund till a lawsuit is settled AND we get the funds back from IMET that Joshua Zipkin wrote a bad $200,000 check for.

Regards,

Scott (not my real name or a real person)

My bad! Just realized that one can't simply edit posts in this section.

I guess you are right about me being the only one who will ever ROI on an AMT miner, looks like I'm also the only one who will win an auction and actually receive it. T minor, looks like I'm also the only one who

What a fuckin' asshole! The bids were predicated on the rigs being shipped from PA. Now, you want to fuck the winner further by upping the shipping cost.

No where in the auction rules does it state that you're allowed to lie about where you're shipping from no matter how many times you read the rules.

Further proof that Joshua Zipkin alone mans this AMT_miners account, in spite of the Jim Browns, Scotts, Allysias, et al. he pulls outta his Jewish ass to sign posts.

How many Jews can fit in a privy?
All depends how big the Joshua Zipkins are in the five gallon bucket beneath the seat.

What part of Jewish Bulgarian Freemason Gimp don't you understand?

And, that's how one rebuilds their cred after being a total 100% fuckup on BT. Joshua Zipkin, son of Harrison Zachariah Zipkin, another scammer in PA, strikes out again.

http://www.shanghai-h3.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/blame-canada-elite-daily.jpg
"Blame escrow services, and don't trust them."

Aaaannd...

https://i.imgur.com/ngXgPDa.jpg

Can't edit but I will add to this.....I posted this because that is pretty much how most of his clients have felt are feeling right now. I borrowed that off the OP from another thread. Sucks but I have tried helping him out with advice on making things better. There is only so much that can be done until we see this. Honestly myself and a few others have been feeling like this hence the previous post seems appropriate.

crazy shipping charge. 

How can BitMain ship Antminers to the US for FREE, via UPS?  yet you guys charge an arm and a leg?  just wonderin'.   

Thanks for the recognition but I think this is better under the circumstances:

https://i.imgur.com/RWQEsjW.jpg

Look far and look away friend...for this is the BTC you pissed away.

haha love it and your forum name ;D

I have been around for a couple of days, trying to learn more about bitcoin and mining and eventually get my shit together and invest in some hardware. All I can read is how users here hate on all of the companies they initially buy miners from. I am amazed how much hate accumulates in just one single thread and how all of the users like myself, who want to EDUCATE THEMSELVES, are not able to do so, because all of you are so damn busy spilling shit on everything anyone tries to post about and one should go through 200 pages of loathe to read the one single post that is actually helping somebody learn something.

They are selling the miners they advertise. Maybe they are not really well aware of how a bidding works. HELP THEM OUT! It won’t hurt and you will benefit from it for sure. If you browse their official thread, you will see that they have been actively responding to comments coming from people who have received their machines. It’s not like they’re hiding or something. This forum is turning into some virtual form of high school where bullies are overcompensating for lacking attention at home. Geez, people… And most of you have the skills and knowledge to actually help others out.

No offence, but maybe if AMT_minerLESS took the time he spent on making this meme to respond a question, there would be more people developing their ideas and all of us could benefit from.

This is a self-moderated topic. If you do not want to be moderated by the person who started this topic, create a new topic.

Ok, thank you.

I meant their thread is censored

Hash Master-

if you're serious about learning the mining game, and/or looking to buy a rig, take a look at BitMainTech.  They had nothing but rave reviews on their S1 and S2 Antminers.  I personally own an S1, and am currently looking at the upgrade kit, which will double the Hashrate, while lowering the power consumption.  The upgrade kit basically turns my S1 into an S3.    BitMain has their shit together, and are a professionally run outfit.  They also include ON-TIME shipping, worldwide, from China.  My S1 arrived on my doorstep, 3 days after it was ordered.  My AMT rig arrived 7 weeks after ordered, and from what i can tell, i am one of the lucky few to actually receive a miner. 

The one downside is, you have to order 2 kits.  I only need 1, so i would need to sell the 2nd kit, or obtain a 2nd S1. 

My S1 worked flawlessly, out of the box. It even came minimal documentation to get me started, and it even paid for itself within the 1st month of mining.  Yes, the S1 ROI'd right quick!! These are things i cannot say about my AMT rig.  The AMT rig was missing cables, had thermal paste smeared everywhere- like a 3 year old assembled it,  blew 1 of the 2 boards within the 1st day of operation, and the 2nd board has a bad chip.  I had to disconnect the case fan, since it did nothing to cool the rig, and found that optimal cooling was achieved by removing the boards from the case and mounting them on top of it.  The AMT will never ROI.  It currently cost more to operate than it brings in.  This could change if the BTC price were to get up to $1500+, but even then i doubt it will ever return my investment.  So far, it's brought in about half of what i paid for it.  The MPP is supposed to make up for this, and was a huge selling point for myself and most others who bought from AMT.

The incompetence of the AMT auction is concerning.  Looks like a different tactic to get more money out of unsuspecting/eager miners.  Yes, some have shipped and been received, I'll give them that, but the hassle appears to be more than it's worth.

One last thing,....  it looks like they've removed the Miner Protection Plan from their website.  This is most likely at the advice of their lawyers.  False advertising will get you big fines and/or jail time in the US.  That's what the MPP was, False advertising.  I have not received my MPP upgrade, which I am rightfully owed, nor has anyone else.

Do your homework before you spend your money.  AMT looks like they are trying to get their shit together, but after the shenanigans they pulled for the past 9 months or so, it will take a lot more than 5 confirmed shipments to get their name out of the mud.

I'd love to see them get their act together, and make things right with ALL of their customers.  We trusted them with our hard earned money, and for the most part, got burned.  Either with broken hardware, half working HW, NO HW , or delayed HW that will never ROI and should have been upgraded- per THEIR promise(MPP).

Bitpop and anyone else who was bidded in this auction or had bad experience with AMT_miners:  Do what i did, and leave a negative trust rating for them. It will help steer people away in the future

Thanks, buddy. I've been looking at the S1, but am still researching since it is quite an investment to make.

As for the AMT issue, did you try to contact them for that specific issue with the MPP? I think their website has no recent updates, so I assume that might be an omission of some of their content managers.

I see there is a lot of negative feedback, but I still want to give them the benefit of the doubt. The industry is relatively new and even though there might be some companies that seem to do it all right, at some point all of them make mistakes. I tried to send an email with some questions and they answered me back, since I was looking at their machines as well. Try to write them a mail with your concerns. If you already are a customer, I doubt they will risk losing you. This will lead to more negative feedback and damage on their reputation in the future.

Yes, I've seen they self moderate the thread. If I happen to purchase from them, I will open my thread to give my honest opinion and feedback.

They are pretty good about responding until you order from them. Then they either ignore you or straight up lie. I have e-mails full of lies about when my machines were supposed to ship. I was  sent an AMT "rig" (think rigged like a carnival game because you are never going to win)  Right out of the gate 2 of the 3 boards didn't work, there was no documentation on how to set any of it up. The fans were barely screwed on. Another board went down. Eventually one night while I was asleep the remaining two boards stopped working. This was because the machine overheated to the point that the heat sinks discolored. And one was hanging off the chip it was supposed to help cool. I do believe this was because of the manufacturing issue that they say they ran into. On one the few things I think they are being 100% straight about. However I do think I was sent a rig before others in line because I had made complaints to various consumer agencies when they refused to refund my money as they are legally obligated to under FTC regulations.

About a month after that AMT issued a recall because the miners they sent out were unsafe. You can see that on their news section. The majority of us on the forum who received the rigs tried to send them back I was one of the lucky few it seems who had theirs accepted back (not before two cross country journey's at the hands of UPS). #5. of the RMA process states "You'll receive a confirmation email stating that we have received your miner and we will immediately ship you a brand new miner." Though I did get fed-ex confirmation I never recieved an e-mail and I still have not received my machine.

They seem unconcerned about the MPP which was advertised on their site and is therefore a legally binding warranty. So when I finally do get my machine I will never be able to ROI with it.

They are currently selling , or trying to sell the exact same model they are sending people who ordered it last year at $6,000 for $1,350. These were produced in the same production run.

Buy from them if you'd like, it's a free country but at this point I would not recommend them to my self from eight months ago.

Right about the same story on my purchase experience.  Great communication until they get your money in their hand, then it gets spotty, if at all. 

Upon arrival, my rig had 1 of 2 boards hashing.  swap cables around, and the other board hashes, while the first one stops.

-- Answer= the rig came short 1 USB cable and was not assembled correctly.  Once i took a serious look at it, and did some research on the controller board, i realized they had the USB power for the controller going to one of the boards instead of from the USB hub. was some kind of crazy daisy chain that didn't work.  A little QA would have gone a long way in this case, and most other cases. Once the boards both received their input from the USB hub, they both hashed at the same time. 

During the troubleshooting of the 1 board hashing at a time issue, one of the boards blew a power supply chip.  My RMA time was 10 days, which is pretty good for a package going coast to coast and back again. 

I stated to AMT that i wanted to get the MPP upgrade, BEFORE my rig shipped. 2 days later, i got an email stating it shipped the day before.  Rig still didn't get to me for another 2 weeks. 

After i received my replacement board, no more of my emails have received replies.  I have asked numerous times about the MPP, via email, this forum and PM.  Not a single acknowledgement of my inquiries.  Nada, zilch, ZIP!

I still have a board in my rig with 15 of 16 chips that hash, but was worried i would never see a replacement if i sent it back to get a board with all chips in good working order.

So, even with $160 credit towards my next order(for a shipping refund from Fedex, which should have been returned to me, but was kept by AMT), i would not place another order with them.  Maybe if they made some kind of attempt to make good on the MPP, or even answered an email telling me something, anything, i may consider it.  But until then, they will not get another red cent from me, and i will continue to caution others about buying anything from them.

it's your money, but don't say you haven't had ample warning.  They may send you something, or they may not.  anybody's guess at this point.  That is not the confidence i want to see from previous customers when i'm spending thousands of dollars.

as for the S1, you'll have to go aftermarket for one, as BitMain does not sell the S1 any longer.  Looks they are only doing S1 upgrade kits, with a minimum order of 2.  Or you can go with the S3, which is basically the S1 with a factory installed upgrade kit.  Kit gives better efficiency and higher hashrate. 

good luck man.  buy with your eyes open.

looks like a disaster and I was going to bid on these eeek

here's what you would get... There is a fake web interface to make you think they are really mining at 1.28Th/s, but reality its much less.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=584891.msg9053836#msg9053836

They got really posts when I posted this, and never had a solution other than sell me the winning price 3weeks after the auction ended, or to put some asicminer tubes in a case for more cost that it was to order tubes directly myself.

Leave these guys negative trust. Bunch of failed promises and no spine to back up what they say

https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2iww8e/ebattled_ceo_joshua_zipkin_of_amt_miners_hatches/