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XC, a hot alt coin, claims that it is a trustless system and uses multisig technology to do it. See below

http://s27.postimg.org/3kzdq8no3/Capture.png

But I am puzzled by the fact that despite they talk like this, I don't see a single multisig address in XC nor do I see any multisig tx. As we all know, these are the central parts, if we do use this technology, we will see a lot talk about it, like in whitepaper, in thread discussions, the multisig addresses and tx are shown in the blockchain explorer etc (look at Superoicn/MammothCoin's threads, there are plenty talk on that. I can find quickly 10 multisig addresses and associated with transactions, they are currently doing alpha tests in mammothcoin network, so all the multisig addresses are for Mammothcoin, soon I expect to see for supercoinsm which is scheduled for beta tests). Can anyone show me XC's multisig addresses and their associated transactions?

This should be an easy thing to do. But since I don't see any, I doubt if the multisig is really implemented in XC. It looks more like a scam to me. Also, when I search the XC thread, I see this from someone (likely a dev of XC):

http://s28.postimg.org/lqf8b7ngd/Capture.png

m-of-m multisig? Are you drunk? What fun will you have to have m-of-m multisig?? If one guy is bad then you want the wallet is locked forever? Do you guys understand what is a multisig address and how to use it?

It looks like this is a scam. Otherwise please show me some good examples you use in XC.

BTW, for Mammothcoin, they are testing for multisig trustless systems now, you see plenty multisig addresses and transactions there, you can even join the tests I think. There are some recordings in Mammothcoin/Supercoin's thread, for example:
http://screencast-o-matic.com/watch/c2j2IinsMO

and this is one of many multisig address with some transactions associated with it (there are plenty similar ones):
http://chainz.cryptoid.info/mamm/address.dws?bTz39geL1BR5UUdAciB8oh1F33eW1FXFcW.htm

Also they explained very clearly the concept and detailed workflow they use for the multisig trustless system:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=736705.msg8324932#msg8324932

Can you show me similar details in XC? If it is really there ;D

EDIT: The answer seems no, the XC dev provided two links with only regular XC addresses. People in the forum created examples of the XC multisig addresses for them  ;D See below:

that's exactly the questions I asked in their thread, glad you posted a thread to discuss it. thanks.

I have this question myself for some time, I saw your message in their thread. It's better have a separate thread to discuss it.

And I was just starting to go to bed.. Popcorn time

Just so everyone knows, ATCsecure is releasing a whitepaper this weekend to explain The Tech! That will clarify all questions

EDIT:

Yes Supercoin dev published very detailed workflows, maybe XC can copy it and implement it.... but it will take weeks to do  ;D ;D ;D

Sorry to bother but I'm just curious, you wasted that time to write all those things down, but you don't dare to do a tx yourself to test this out?

a whitepaper does not solve much, I asked a very very simple question (nothing is simpler if they already implemented it):

- Can you please point to me some XC's multisig addresses and their transactions, so I can verify independently if the multisig is indeed implemented as you claimed.

If I want an example from Mammthcoin, I can get it in less than 30 sec in their thread.


Can anyone do me a favor and provide me the info I want? Again nothing is simpler, if it is there already

Supercoin.. I remember that one. Visited that thread for couple days and figured scam. XC had rev. 1 mixer installed by then and The super "whitepaper" was based on those principels..

XC is currently rev 2.47 lightyears further then rev. 1

EDIT:

Good. I bought a bag of Mamm at around  250 Satoshi... I hope the coin goes up, but I'll probably just sell and buy some more XC. :)

Why you need us to provide this Intel? Also asking in such a negative way is not helping in getting support from XC community

EDIT:

All I see is more mammoth supporters trying to FUD on the coin the fear the most, it's quite hilarious actually.....with a little dash of pathetic:-)

You guys do realize your dev and community are making themselves look childish and desperate right??  It's all the rest of us see!

I would suggest you look at XC's Dev, Dan Metcalf's resume, and see that he is quite capable of what he says.   Also, you will have a nice shot at a very nice bounty very soon with the 3.0 release and a look at the whitepaper coming out soon.   

No need to waste time, just provide info. Fact is fact, you can write 1000 pages, still equal ZERO, show your facts!

Resume does not mean anything, do you know satoshi's resume? People put all bullshits in their resumes. If the XC truly supports multisig, just show a multisig address as greenclover asked. Very simple.

If you ask me whether Mammothcoin / supercoin's supersend really support multisig or not, I can show you their multisig address/tx in 10 secs, very easy. So don't talk garbage here, show the facts.

If they had it, they would not waste time here. But unfortunately they clearly don't, they just hype, and don't have real things...

m-of-m multisig, hahaha, they have no idea what they talk about, they know only the buzz word ;D

XC absolutely have nothing, just cheating. Their supporters must ask from dev (the authority lol.) pay for their potential loses in the future!

They seem buzz words experts but absulately not multisig  ;D


LIES are not sustainable
XC LIES YOU CAN LIE BUT WE SPEAK TRUTH


Agreed!

It is always nice to see people called out in clear, concise language and then just have to sit back to see how they respond. So, how about it? Can anyone post details of multisig tx in XC?

no need to feed these stupid trolls here.

only purpose of these stupid morons are drawing some pathetic attention to them

fail.

What clear and concise language? It appears most of your fudcrew lack the basic grammar skills required to construct a simple sentence. Half of you sound like cavemen, enjoy your woolly mammoth :-)

I thought the mammoth went extinct?

XCactly my point ;)

Are you the Mammoth coin dev, posting under another account? Your English usage is very similar.

I don't mind of Mamm goes up. Though I don't think it will rival XC. But ..who knows. :) Here are my most recent purchases. :)


The mammothcoin dev wants the coin to be in the top 3 coins. I hope he succeeds after buying so cheaply. :)

Yes..what about it?

Good thread title, did you stop going to school in grade 3 ?

I find it utterly hilarious that your dumbass dev is trying to spread FUD about another coin in the god damn OP of the MAMM thread. Seriously, I have not a single clue what the hell you guys are smoking over there, but multisig has been proven to work since 7/7. Test it yourself, there is no reason to prove anything because we already have it and it has been confirmed by several members if you even bother reading through our thread. No one from the XC community will take you guys seriously when stupid threads like this are posted.

This is pathetic lol  ::) XC sure makes you guys scared hey...everything you want to know is in our thread, if you want to know read it, why should we do the work for you just to prove you wrong, we don't care....and  there is a month old bounty still unclaimed for 2 BTC if you can connect the sender to receiver address, so go ahead knock yourselves out, cheplin from DRK did..it was extremely amusing he wanted that BTC but he...failed and gave up, now you can fail and give up while we all watch...have fun.

Or not respond. I guess the people who like XC, will buy XC, and the people who like Mammoth or other coins will buy those coins.
Mammoth could go up ten times its current price is and it would still be way cheaper than XC.
So it's pretty clear what to do.
But I should disclose that I bought quite a few Mamm around the 250 Satoshi mark, so I don't mind if it goes up.
I would have thought the smart thing to do for people who really believe the Mammoth story would have been to buy Mammoth rather than trash other coins.

+100000
Post up multi-sig block-chian proof please - I have had these concerns for a while.

How about no... go read the thread no one cares if any of you invest...no one owes you any explanation, god gave you a brain, and a pair of eyes so use them.

Did you test for yourself?
Have you followed the developments made public in various XC discussions?

Added in edit:
The important thing IMHO to show is not that a transaction can't be followed superficially on the blockchain but that it is also immune from various strategies to identify transactions via other means than merely the addresses.
XC went through this long ago, and not only that, but XC had someone who really wanted to disprove it fail to do so, someone involved with DRK and who is quite bright.
Have any other privacy coins had this done?
Mammoth from what I understand has shown that it can obscure the path of transactions, but it was shown by those who wanted mammoth to succeed. This doesn't mean it doesn't work, but it's not quite as good IMHO

This is the big problem with people today they expect everything to be given, and want other people to do the work for them, i got a harsh reality for all people who think this way, you will fail miserably in all aspects of life, business, relationships, investments etc life is a two way street no one cares what u want u have to care enough to go get it yourself.

Sorry guys, with over 1000 pages on the XC thread I can't find where this was dealt with, but it is some time ago. There are just too many pages. The best way, the surest way, is to test it yourself.

Without even reading this properly i can tell you it's a Super/Mammouth coin yuppie writing this, I mean really think about it, Mammouth Coin, say it out loud right now a few times and ask yourself, is this the future........ Mammouths are Extinct and Coins is just following the garden path to try and succeed off Bitcoins back.

XC is next Generation XCurrency, it is break through technology following a new path which Super and Mammouth are trying to follow.  The truth is a bunch of yuppies missed the XC Boat and are trying to create a life raft.

The fact XC development didn't get involved in these attempts by yuppie "Coins" to make a quick profit off the hard work of the next Generation XC XCurrency, goes to show just how dedicated and professional they are.  It wouldn't surprise me if a public Launch of the Currency happened soon to.

hmm...  noob question here, but i want to figure this out.

what exactly is a multisig address? i thought the multisig is to ensure that no coins are stolen on anon transactions, ergo it is trustless. but why would you store it on the blockchain?
or is a multisig address kind of a stealth address? because those are in the works since XChat rev is finished.

Would these satisfy your curiosity?
- http://chainz.cryptoid.info/xc/block.dws?62014.htm
- http://chainz.cryptoid.info/xc/tx.dws?229177.htm

You're an arse for fudding instead of just downloading the wallet and trying out Privacy Mode.


So, your reasoning process:
- timerland doesn't understand the point of m-of-m multisig.

- timerland doesn't bother to ask people from XC what m-of-m is used for.

- timerland simply concludes, with the foolhardiness of a drunk pullet, that the truth is not that he lacks understanding but that XC is a scam.


You're not very civil are you?

Just come and ask us questions next time instead of creating a fruitless and irritating FUD thread.

If you have further questions, you're welcome to ask, nicely.

Except multi-sig is only part of what XC is doing. With XC we have a developer who is very interested in the underlying issues and concepts, and a man who has some very relevant technical experience in the field.
So we have something a bit different, an entire platform with many different facets.

Fudder going to fud.  LOL.   These Supercoin/Mammothcoin trolls just can't help themselves.

I updated my first page messages so they contain synechist answer!

Wanted to wish the dev's and supporters of mamm/Super the best of luck in The future! One piece of advise; if you want million dollar investments into your project you better grow up and start being more professional in your presentation to the outside world.

You made a fool out of yourself and I can't take anything you say serious

my suggestion to them was to download the wallet and try it out for themselves. I have no respect for people who are too incompetent to discover their own answers to these question (which by the way is quite simple, and it also forces them to buy XC :))

This topic is such bullshit. Purposefully designed to try and damage XC's reputation.

Supercoin and Mammothcoin need to be careful.

They are quickly building a dirty reputation as spreading bullshit about the competition.

Mud sticks.

I'm basing this on multiple posts and topics; XC supporters are well aware about this.

Indeed.

It suggests that the intention was to spread FUD rather than to engage constructively.

One of the funny things about all this is that anyone claiming they've "done multisig properly" has not thereby achieved something (sorry Mammothcoin). Multisig doth not an anoncoin make, especially if you're using a non-trustless mixer).

What a weird thing to base one's superiority on. ;-)

 Facts provided, and resumes do mean something when previous work is factually documented and anonymity of an alt coin developer does spell trouble.  Oh, also, sweet profile pic.  You can come join the XC community, it's not too late.

Can I be the Purple one?!?! PLEAAAAASEEEEEE

OHHHHHHHHHHH I LOVE TINKY WINKY

yeah lemme quote that one more time, just because I didnt get enough of that already. Currently touching myself to multisig whitepapers.

Why start a thread that gives no proof and expect there to be some kind of positive outcome.  Don't know why OP didn't take the time to try for their self instead of this nonsense.  It's clear you have a coin in mind that you want to hype which only makes you more discredited if you ask me.  Next time less fud and more thinking before posting would be beneficial for everyone.

these?
- http://chainz.cryptoid.info/xc/block.dws?62014.htm
- http://chainz.cryptoid.info/xc/tx.dws?229177.htm

you made me laugh, where are multisig addresses?? these are all regular XC addresses. Do you want me to create a XC multi-address for you? Do you know how multisig address look like? You try to cheat an expert here?

Tell me, how you create a multisig address?

Also do you know how multisig address is used? what do you do with a m-of-m address? if there's a cheater being o1 of m, then what can you do anything with the address? your fund will be locked forever on that address! You can not do a thing, because you can't get the cheater to sign any transaction for you. Multisig is used mostly for m-of-n, where m < n for evident reasons.

You keep talking m-of-m, meaning you understand nothing about multisig. Don't pretent an expert here. Many people in this thread understand what they talk, you can't fool people here.

using m-of-m multisig, lmao ;D ;D ;D what can you do with a m-of-m multisig? looks like the dev got only the name, and used it wrong 8)

these are multi-in/out tx, they are not multisig tx, I don't even see a multisig address there. They are all regular XC addresses.

OK, for those from XC who never seen a real XC multisig address, let me show you what it is, and you can tell me if there are any exist today on the blockchain ;D

All the one posted in the above links by synechist are regular XC addresses, they are not multisig addresses, why? because XC's multisig address starts with 4, not X.

I downloaded XC wallet, and from there in console, I created 2 multisig addresses.

I used these 3 private-public key pairs:

public key: 033942099d7fb91a51b0e2899040c36cf5337002f43b2e80ec3afe3c81cbb5a3db
private key: X35fMeU3c159SX4tWVnA7ZW7DxTyw7BCqEmt92Nw5N87kezytJSZ

public key: 02733ae45bf1d7fc5b24dcdbf54c0dd2b106a39233e65cdb47fd0fd925734f4b83
private key: X7oy79myB5WmKXAjey6oZPfo12BHmwRfD9k4rmL2oYUMdjff48NU

public key: 02307e5d3924fa8d95093ed61bfa4ecb4bf108196013ee1de466589bcf3fb212b8
private key: X2z4smxErHnkVBZnWzfPMDMNdMvD3mAnB7w7YD1BFeppf3iqUyWJ

these pairs are derived from the addresses I have. From there I created 2 addresses: 2-of-3 multisig address and 3-of-3 multisig address (though this one is of no use - just to show):

2-of-3 multisig address: 4ShqMQFoQFLBzhXDs3aJJMnDNLZ9JTrxKH
3-of-3 multisig address: 4XCmiwfQCm6gQNrW6kaXZJawLPekQGQf5o

BTW, you can make some deposits to 2-of-3 multisig address, and I can show you how to spend it. I can do a tutorial for you guys who have no ideas on what is a multisig address. ;D ;D

Hi,

The supercointeam is not supporting this, the team even stated before that we do not participate doing dirty competition, not with any coin. Secondly, fud about XC or other coins gets deleted in supercoin thread.

And I as a supercoin supporter think we shouldn't promote ourselves with talk like this either. If people have legit questions about XC and are seeking for an answer, they may do this but they should leave supercoin out of this. We (supercoin community) are not looking for an answer from XC on this matter, only a few individuals are. It's not because some hold a couple of Supercoins, that they speak in name of the whole community. And they especially don't when they are holding MAMM coins.

Really grown up! What do you want to achieve with this? You really think no one has looked into this and you have found some real flaw in XC?

wow, thanks some138 to show us what are the real multisig addresses in XC.

From what XC's dev's post, and the "multisig" tx and address they provided in the above links, I can say that they did not understand what is a multisig, they mixed multi input/out tx with multisig? Anyway, they did not seem to implement the multisig at all. Looks like they've been cheating all the way along (consciously or unconsciously).

Multisig addresses usually start with a different letter than their regular address. For example, Bitcoin's regular address starts with "1", its multisig address starts with "3". Supercoin's regular address starts with "S", its multisig address starts with "C". Mammothcoin's regular address starts with "M", its multisig address starts with "b". etc. For XC, its regular address starts with X and multisig address starts with "4". Everyone can create a multisig address using XC client and verify yourself.

thank you some138 for showing the truth and facts, I was going to create a multisig address to show them too. ;D

So what is the problem? I'm confused.. first there was no multisig and now you say there is...

 ???

Wow...there is something deeply wrong with you isn't there...

The problem? XC claimed they implemented multisig. People asked them to show an example of multisig address in their blockchain, the dev posted two links showing only the regular XC addresses. Then some138 created real XC multisig addresses and show them what it look like.

From the posts here I can see that XC never implemented multisig in the coin, otherwise it will be very easy for them to show a multisig address and tx associated with that address in the blockchain.

For mammothcoin, you find tons of multisig addresses and tx associated with the addresses. You know they actually implemented it.

XC devs, please explain the facts and stop cheating!!

Still i'm confused. You say no multisig is implemented but just some posts above someone (from your own team) produced a multisig address

 ???

Please tell me again what is the problem?

Synechist is not XC Dev for a start. He is the poor bastard who has to deal with FUD like this all the time.

Also, i am confused now by what the problem is, above you have posted multisig addresses, doesn't this disprove the OP?

For those who are still "confused", let me repeat again:

XC claimed to have implemented multisig. If this is true, then it is trivial to provide some multisig addresses with multisig tx associated with them, that we can see and inspect in the blockchain.

Saying implemented multisig but unable to provide even one multisig address? That dev provided some links deemed to be multisig transactions, but we don't even see one single multisig address there. He keep talking m-of-m (a joke for those who know what is multisig for), and provided regular addresses as multisig addresses, do you think he knows anything about multisig?

A community member just showed what a true XC multisig address look like. Now if you continue claim XC has it, show everyone a multisig address and tx in the blockchain. Nothing is simpler, and let's not waste our (and everyone's) time by arguing. There's nothing to argue here, just show the facts! Experts know what you are talking about.

Man you guys are going to look stupid when what you are slandering all over this forum is proven wrong, I'm just an investor i have no technical knowlege but i can say with complete confidence that various SR members of this forum have confirmed that multi sig works so get ready to be put in your places, and the shit you have said about XC Dev is disgusting you should really look in the mirror and examine the sort of people you are.

And like stated before: Why do you want us to provide this information? You can do it all yourself it seems..

Instead of coming to our Community and build some trust to get us explaining you things you make a thread with stupid claims that don't hold any grounds.

yes nothing is simpler, just show the facts. so many fuds do not help. they just try to confuse people. Looks like the revelation of the cheating really touch some people's nerve ;D

OK, so we are clear then that XC is using multisig and the OP is FUD. Thanks for clearing that up.

Synechist (who posted the transactions) is not a dev, he is PR, so I guess he made a mistake. (I dont know, Im not technical either)

I can assure you Dan (ATC Secure) Knows exactly what he is doing code wise.

Is it worth arguing like this? If you have it, it will take you 30 sec to provide the info. Want a mammothcoin multisig address with transactions associated with it, and inspect from blockchain explorer? I can provide that to you in 30 sec.

If you do not have it and can not provide it, don't waste time here. You don't fool people here.

I have a real proof atcsecure xc dev posted on mammothcoin thread let me upload wait, he said this is as multisig

http://chainz.cryptoid.info/xc/tx.dws?229177.htm (This is atc secure multisig wallet  ;D lol see how he tries to cheat without fear)

see how he tries like he does not need whitepaper at all (!)...


http://puu.sh/aV86b/72ca09e759.png

he as big developer saying first he does not need whitepaper at all, second advising poor mammoth dev to check multisig...

This the amazing technology how to cheat people using charisma.

But he is stupid enough to post non multisig address

Sushi, it's not worth it.  XC is a community that tries to be respectful to other coins and not FUD.   We are mostly a very mature community.  Obviously these folks are not mature and must be quite young.   I don't think they are doing any favors for Supercoin.  Real money doesn't want join a coin that has this type of people in their forum.  

lmao, where is the multisig address for XC? trying to cheat and fool people?? ;D ;D

Yeah, you're right. But it hurts to see all those new people in crypto get burned by this. Did you take a look at the threads of these coins. Circle Jerking all the way. Even by the dev's :S

I see arguments over arguments, XC supporters, don't waste time please. As people said, it takes 30sec to provide a multisig address and tx. There are 100s in the Mammothcoin blockchain, I can give you one in 30 sec. Why not show yours? With so many posts and I don't see a single one? Anyone with IQ > 80 can conclude correctly what it means.

DO NOT WASTE TIME

LOL there are millions of people in the world with IQ's above 80 who don't know what the fuck multi sig is dickhead...

@dadon tell us that because no body will understand lies behind XC because nobody knows multisig  and they will keep going with XC like this.

No problem there  ;D Because people are idiots already believing.

lol, XC supporters, you try to use my example of XC multisig addresses to support your argument??

I created them to SHOW YOU what is a XC multisig address, since you never saw them before ;D ;D

Now please show me in your **blockchain** a multisig address with transactions associated with it, so people can see how it worked. You don't create a multisig address for fun, you use it for some transactions.

So stupid and desperate, oh well...

Enjoy you smear campaign i got better shit to do, btw cheplin from DRK pulled XC apart looking for problems if there was one the whole forum would know about it but he could find nothing so this whole thread is a joke, enjoy rubbing each others ego's.

Agreed!

LIES are not sustainable
XC LIES YOU CAN LIE BUT WE SPEAK TRUTH


Agreed!

Stop the fud already. What are you even trying to achieve ? Let XC be and especially leave SUPER out of this. I believe you guys are mainly MAMM investors since I haven't really heard of many of the fudders here, so if you want to represent MAMM that's fine but don't promote SUPER in your fud. We do not support these kind of talks in any way, nor does the supercointeam.

Right, Just like every dang attempt over the past months form other coins to disprove just about everything with the coin. I am sure as with all the past stuff, you guys will eat crow soon enough. Get your salt and pepper ready.



Come on now, dont be silly. You know exactly what they are trying to do.

Why can't you do it yourself?

I see no reason why you need someone else to show you a multisig address with transactions associated with it when you can accomplish this on your own.

FUDs do not help here, simple questions, and simple answers. Very clear facts.

Because no one can find it, if it is really there, then 30 sec, worth all these posts? I am sure it took you more than 30 sec to do you post.

The simple fact is: THEY CAN NOT PROVIDE THE SIMPLE INFO, Because it is not there!

I have a real proof atcsecure xc dev posted on mammothcoin thread let me upload wait, he said this is as multisig

http://chainz.cryptoid.info/xc/tx.dws?229177.htm (This is atc secure multisig wallet  ;D lol see how he tries to cheat without fear another dev)

see how he tries like he does not need whitepaper at all (!)...


http://puu.sh/aV86b/72ca09e759.png

he as big developer saying first he does not need whitepaper at all, second advising poor mammoth dev to check multisig...

This the amazing technology how to cheat people using charisma.

But he is stupid enough to post non multisig address

If more fuds on this thread, I will close it and open a self-mod one. I am looking for simple facts, nothing is complicated at all.

Huh?  ???

If you can't find a multisig address with transactions associated with it on the XC blockchain, then why don't you create your own multisig address and do some transactions with it to see how it works? Yes, I could do this myself in the time it took me to make this post, but I am not going to do it. You can do it yourself because you are the one who wants to see how it works. Do your own research, please.

If there are indeed no multisig addresses on the blockchain with transactions associated with them, then the only thing that proves is that no one has used multisig on the XC blockchain. It most certainly does not prove that this feature has not been implemented.

hahaha pussy!


I tried to tell them the hole time.. They don't listen