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Not sure how this will turn out, but ask TradeFortress (http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2013/nov/08/hackers-steal-1m-from-bitcoin-tradefortress-site) anything :) (instead of polluting all the threads I reply to.)

AsQuestion(Hello. You didn't officially end the IO signature campaign before my succeeding month was up, while I kept the signature in until the next pay date. Given the campaign was not explicitly launched by any registered company, I'd assume it was DBA and that you're personally liable until proof of bankruptcy grant is provided. You owe me .4BTC. I thought I'd be the most appropriate person to bring this up. ... :P)

I feel like this is going to be a thread of "You owe me!"s. So I'll join in. However, because I must "ask" you a question, I'll establish it in a question.

Do you feel as if you should owe me 0.1 for my loss at Inputs.IO.

Thank you :P :)

LOL.

Address?

.... Alright. I'm poor; I'll suffer the humiliation for the chance. :D

17s8WseqU8EfrSP2m983vC78D3Z4NUMYEe

Bitcoin was trading for around ~$200 back then. I'm not rich (despite what some people think), and can't afford paying everyone, and definitely not paying everyone at current rates.

Bitstamp last: $504
0.4 * (200/504) = 0.1587 BTC

https://blockchain.info/tx/b750233a8f87d925cbb7a9f6b1b37db91531dddc6c2342a56c9f2358e56cf284

enjoy :P

My god - it confirmed. I accept the terms and left positive trust. ??? Thanks.

Would you able to repay partially of the owed Bitcoin or any plan to do so in a spanned timeframe?


Previous email conversations

Why do you still linger around here? What is your purpose now? You seem to just like to antagonize people and it verges on trolling sometimes, though other times you also have some good input.

Do you plan on paying back the people who trusted you and how?

You owe me 0.04 BTC from the IO signature campaign from last year.

I joined the signature capmaign in October 30, 2013. i had arround 120 post,then.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=198934.msg3444431;topicseen#msg3444431 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=198934.msg3444431;topicseen#msg3444431)

Thank you!

Edit: my btc address 1MY8JmG3Jtpx15uk28MJmwp1Ju8JNRfvPP

Will you pay back the balance owed to me from coinlenders and the sig campaign?

Coinlenders
10.68 * (200/504) = 4.238 btc

Sig Campaign
0.4 * (200/504) = 0.1587 btc

Payment address
17yaTRuNLRK5HYCbN3KfB6RhQGdrsz2Brp

Thank you, an actual question! I'm still lingering around here because I'm still interested in Bitcoin, and what's happening with it and the community. It's not my intention to antagonize people (most of the time), although my style may result in people seeing it as trolling.

The reasons that have bought me into Bitcoin (namely, a decentralized way to send money, and be your own bank) has not changed. I'm still interested in Bitcoin.



When/if ASICMINER resumes dividends again, I'll be able to repay more. I do not have the funds to, and are not repaying people generally. I may choose to pay people personally as earlier on in this thread.

Also, 001sonkit you seem to be under the assumption that providing hashes of your password allows authentication of your account. Passwords were of course hashed and salted, not stored in plaintext.

Keep us updated if you are having new move on your repayment method/plan or whatever. Given the current situation 30-40% is acceptable range for me if you consider to repay perhaps some plans to negotiate for future repayments?
Andd I am glad that you are still considerably keeping to your line compared to other defaulters..... (RIP GOX and all others... whatever they are)

Just some suggestion, why not open up a new identity so the trust and "fame" won't follow where you go? Casual chat and all the shit separated?

At least you haven't completely disappeared unlike others who have been accused of scamming I salute you for that. I was lucky enough not to have much in the account when the hacks were done...although are you the real TF or did you buy this account?

How come you disappeared from the forums for such a long time after the "hack/theft/whatever_it_was"?

Why would anyone buy a tainted account like his? Granted its a VIP account, I think but with so many negative trust it really isn't worth much, if anything. My coin is that its the real TF, it may not be, but it makes no sense that it wouldn't be..

He's become a celebrity in the Bitcoin world everyone knows of him and thats why is account would be valuable. his account probably would of sold for 20 Bitcoin +++

Can you post a PGP signed message using your old public key (admin@glados.cc) in order to prove its really you?
Could you also use a timestamp authority when signing it, or you could include the hash of the latest block mined. I have no doubt it is really you but that should put everyones mind to rest.

Here are my questions, please don't try the technique of selectively answering the ones that suit you and ignoring the others.

1) You said before that inputs.io was hacked but never said what happened to coinlenders.com and your various stocks/bonds (bitbond was one IIRC).  Why were none of the people using those reimursed, what happened to those funds?

2) You claim you do not have much Bitcoins.
This thread claims that after the hack you were in possession of at least 1300BTC: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=346236
Most of these addresses still have a large balance.

How accurate is the data in this thread?
If you claim it is not accurate, can you explain why many of these addresses appear as inputs in transactions along with the address 1GLadosEkeAsLReqS3yQ51E1R3wVtbJCDF?

3) You mentioned before that the assets you own are seperate to those of your business. Was Inputs.io, coinlenders and BITBOND all registered and operating as a seperate legal entity?

If you were, why did you not publicly publish the information and contact details for this legal entity which you are likely required to do by law in your country?

If your business(es) were not operating as a seperate legal entity then you were likely operating as a sole trader - which means these assets legally belong to your debtors because YOU owe the debt and not a seperate legal entity.

By that measure Pirate's account would be about:

820,000/4000 * 20BTC = 4100 BTC.  Pirate could sell his account to somebody and use the funds to pay back all of TF's loses.  Scary how that number works out almost exactly  :o

- Hey TF how are you?

- Would you consider refunding the .23BTC I held in inputs at the time of the hack?

I'm looking forward to hearing from you.

You guys really think that if you ask nicely he'll refund you all?

Regardless of if he got hacked or not he did not handle the situation correctly at all and he hasn't explained why coinlenders depositors or BITBOND investors haven't received a satoshi yet inputs.io was the only website hacked. If you want your funds back you need to take legal action against him. The only reason he has done nothing since the hack or even provided any updates is because nobody has taken legal action against him. Somebody needs to step up and make the first move.

Stop asking, the time for that past a long time ago, take action instead - do it for everyone who was affected.

I don't think that it would even reach 1BTC right now. Celebrity? i don't think so

Celebrity is maybe not the right word. I think 'infamous' would be though. I think what he means by famous is that he's well known in the community (for something nefarious), so infamous fits  :D.

How many shares of AsicMiner do you own?  Would you be willing to put those shares in escrow to collect the dividend payouts and have them start to repay scammed victims?  What other assets/securities do you own and same thing as above with those?

Hey this thread really panned out, answered 1 question and disappeared...again.

I always wondered what your favourite ice cream flavour was. I always imagined you as some kind of lemon person, but please indulge me and shed some light on this mystery :)

lol :D

I like mint choc chip ice cream, if it's not too minty.

Will you continue paying dividends to your BTCINVEST holders?  Are you offering any kind of a final payoff to buyback our shares if we want to be removed from the list and receive something now?

BTCINVEST    31    1NASTYfxUpKPwin7b1KTBFjeeofrLSgXDJ

Bingo. I think this account was purchased months ago which is why there was a brief period of silence. The 'new' TF doesn't write like the old one and seems more upbeat. On why someone would buy such a tainted account, probably for attention. Which he/she is getting.

... and the 'new' account holder sent kluge that money at the beginning of the thread as a double-bluff? cunning

I guess if you like to troll it's a good account to have, plus you can change the name, which brings me to my question:

Why do you keep changing your name?

BTCINVEST holders will be getting a partial payment from Graet for Graet.Loan, please follow up with him for the specific details.

There are no immediate buyback options.

I would buy to have access to the staff forum. Others can buy for trolling too. But I would not pay 20 BTC for it, never.

@TF:

Any other business you planning to get involved?

Are you still offering free hugs?

He doesn't have access to the Staff forum just the VIP/Donator one, which is completely dead anyway.

Will you ever refund my 0.2 odd BTC from inputs.io?  :-[

Is your account for sale? How much would you want for it?

Why would you buy it? I really don't get it. It's worthless when it comes to signature campaigns and trust. The only reason I can think of is trolling purposes and there are obviously better accounts if thats your reason.

It is one of the most famous accounts. It would be like a trophy.

299.03625778 BTC in CL :'(

VIPs/donators don't have access to the Staff forum.

This account isn't for sale.. I'm flattered that you think of it as a trophy tho.

Sorry :(

I deposited around 15 BTC with this address to my coinlenders account: 18888888PPJ8oGeqR6AKmoiKUme9da48Xf

Can you refund ANYTHING for this?

Much apprechiated!

What kind of topics/information is in the VIP/Donators forum?

I've heard it's quite dead in there.

What is the total number of bitcoins that were lost because of you due to coinlenders and inputs?

How many shares of AsicMiner do you own?  Are there any other securities you own and do you plan to start making payments back to people when those assets start paying dividends?

Maybe there are good legacy topics there? With secret info and stuff?


We'll never know anyway

There are occasional freebies, large trade offers and discussions, but the subforum is pretty much dead.

Staff section is a lot more interesting lol.

599 shares of ASICMINER.

There's plenty, including debts such as BitFunder balances, Btcquick, Ukyo.Loan, Graet.Loan, etc. (Graet claims he will repay 1% but has missed the deadline). I do not expect any cl loan returns. ASICMINER is one of the few remaining that might pay out some BTC.

You said that the collateral at coinlenders were those shares of asicminer, as well as other securities.  Do you plan to pay people back as dividends start to trickle in?  Would you be willing to transfer those shares to a third party who can start working out someway to pay people back in proportion with dividends?
You said that you expect to pay back about 25% of lost balances based on price from then to today.  That means if AsicMiner is able to return 1 btc per share, either through dividends and/or share price, you can effectively pay off most of the remaining balance, minus the people who have already settled.

How do you know what the staff section looks like?

Re. your PM:


What sig? I don't think I've ever mentioned prcdice there.

[ posted here because when I tried to reply it told me: "User '$username' has blocked your personal message." ]

I'll that take that deal you gave the user from earlier

Coinlenders username :    ace207
BTC Address to send:       1AeE2X8zr8wPVqg1TupmhGJrDcB39dtzJD
Amount:                          16.68791006


Bitstamp last: $504
16.68791006 * (200/504) = 6.6221 BTC

You ow... just kidding.

What's your favorite video game at the moment?

Which is the most indubitable way you can prove you are the same TF?

I take a deal below 205/500 --> 2.5 BTC! :)

Maybe he meant Dicebitcoin?

Ah, sorry. I thought you were advertising PRCDice in your sig, when you were advertising dicebitco.in.


Why should I? ::)


CSGO is fun :)

It looks like you have blocked receiving PM's from everyone (or at least me).

Have you actually seen the staff forum? If so how do you get access? What kind of things are posted there?

Want to remove the negative trust you put on me for an issue with coinchat?  If you do so I'll remove mine and we can both walk away cleaner.

OK. I don't know anything that people should know, I don't think.

I did wake up weirdly at 4am to see the whole thing unfolding, but thought at first it was mostly likely FUD made up by the PRC guys. When it became apparent that there really was a problem I divested and withdrew.

I'm having a hard time knowing what to think about the whole thing. There's no sensible explanation for what has happened. You don't commit changes from new employees to such a big site without a code review. You don't cheat in such an obvious way. It's just weird.

If I had to decide right now, I'd go with the rogue-employee story being the truth, but really who knows...

Why are you blocking my messages and why did you neg. rate me? I haven't said anything to you in months (if you are the real deal).

I believe that he is actually blocking PMs from everyone. It doesn't say this anymore but his signature used to say he does not deal with people via PM, and to email him if you wanted to reach him privately.

Ok, here's a question that should be answerable: how do you get to change your username so often?

Because it's a perk of being a donator.

Emailed.


VIP, actually.


Thanks, but no.


As you correctly said, I block all forum PMs. Email me if you wish to contact me.

Oh, ACCTseller and Quickseller are different people..

Any of you two Blazr?

Do you intend to ever make another Bitcoin business?

Yes.

Don't know if it's been asked or if you'd want to answer it (which is fine), but how much personal bitcoin wealth do you have?


But surely not under this name or handle, right?

No. Jerrod (BTCQuick) owes CL 100+ BTC, ran off. BTCOxygen owes 1000 and a bit BTC, ran off. Ukyo and Graet combined owes about 300 BTC, basically ran off. BlackLiliac owes 200+ BTC, ran off. CoinLenders wasn't 100% ASICMINER backed.


Not much for someone who was in Bitcoin since 2011.


Of course not! However, shoot me an email if you're interested in pentesting services :)

Is that a good idea. Surely people could then put two and two together to work out the service and connect you to it?

I'm offering pentesting and security consulting services under my TradeFortress identity. I have some reputation at that, but I won't identify specific sites as they've paid for the disclosure. I can say I've found and reported a couple of security vulnerabilities on this very forum though :)

I've got one! What do you do in your spare time apart from post here?

How do I become wealthy? i have 0.4 only. Working DOESNT WORK.

You can create an online wallet service and claim that it has been hacked.
Anything you want to add TF?

I am not sure who Blazr is, but I can say that I am not him.

well well at least found this thread i invested ( mean to say lose ) in inputs.io when i m not on this forum...invested 0.4 but did not invested directly as one of my friend here invested with you and your site.. but he say me that he gotten all money away i always blame my friend did not you because i dont know .. but today i know that you are the owner of inputs.io and really angry that you eat or its stolen dont know the reality.. but i lose my money..

dont know i get it back or not ..

but dont do this again with anyone ..

Ok, I kinda thought that was the deal.  Hillarious, you're so fast that TF has no chance.

Thanks for the replies.  No offense but I kinda hoped you'd say 'no'.  Being negged by tradefortress is kinda a mark of pride these days---like a reputable war scar from fighting a well known and universally disliked enemy.

Cheers!

Are you still offering free hugs?

https://encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTEaTpU5O9kOh9uTNjJWMMqj69kjWqaQalal9ko2oLdcxjRsWo_TO5-BmE


I breathe a lot of code.

Did you keep the signature for the full duration?

I did not have any money on inputs.io, on CL, or any of your other sites. Nor did I lose any money from any scam.

I see that you have ~300 BTC in what appears to be your wallet. What do you plan on doing with this money and where are the constant deposits coming from?

Please give me back my 0.4 please

Who are you?

Do you like Team Fortress?

Because your original name was almost like Team Fortress

When and where did you first find out CL/IO was cleaned?

The wallet you are describing is not my wallet. Furthermore, why did you post your bitcoin address?


Yep. I originally traded TF in-game items for BTC. At that time, trades were not reversed if there was a credit card chargeback, so it proved to be a useful way to sell BTC risk-free to people wishing to pay with credit cards.


Inputs admin panel with a shockingly low wallet balance, I thought it was a fork at first.

Given all that has happened, I find it extremely ironic you offer pen-testing.

What is your plan if/when ASICMiner begins to payout dividends?

I've been confused for a long time whether your account was hacked, or something like that...

I wanted to know if you are the same dude that set up coinchat and stuff and whether you could prove it.

you going to give me back 0.4?

Make more awesome stuff.

I'm probably against the majority of the Bitcoin community here, but I believe that a inputs.io sort of system is necessary.

I can't see Bitcoin being used physically without a wallet in which funds would necessarily need to be inputted. I wouldn't wait for 20 minutes for my groceries to "confirm".

inputs.io worked so well for that purpose, it was extremely easy to incorporate and a lot of sites used it.

You can do that with Coinbase between wallets I think. Also Stellar? You might want to look into that.

1.) In your own words, what did you do wrong that caused you to lose the deposits of your clients at both CoinLenders and Inputs.io?

2.) When a sole proprietor loses the deposits of his clients, how much of his own assets would it be ethical for him to retain in lieu of returning the lost deposits?

3.) Do you believe you have acted ethically in the way you handled the bankruptcy of CoinLenders and Inputs.io?

First of all, best username on this forum.  Kudos.

Hey TF - don't know if you remember our debate over PMB's, but Deprived/twentyseventy's derivative model solves the perpetually-yield-less issue by adding a shorting mechanism.  Of course, before ASICs came along, PMB's were actually not the worst investment out there.

Would you accept 0.1 BTC?

I've seen DMS :)

As always, how good an investment (like a PMB) is depends on the price. Prior to DMS-like mining derivatives, asset issuers created PMBs at pricepoints where it is extremely unrealistic for buyers to make a profit. The price is what made those PMBs bad investments.

i really want my 0.4 back .. if you can send them back would be appreciated  thnk x

Seriously? You registered months after the campaign. Please reply from an account that joined the signature campaign, or I'll consider this a scam attempt.

You requested an email from me.

I sent the requested email.

I never received a response.

Did you receive my email?

Hi, yes, sorry. The other party says it will take them a few days to purchase the BTC. I'll email you when the other party is ready. Sorry for not responding earlier.

yeah ... sorry but i cant prove if you dont want to refund its not ok ..

by the way i did not invested driectly as i told all the things in my first post.. on this thread pleaes read it ..

Will you teach me how to code?

I think I joined your campaign haha, made a few posts then it closed before month's end :(. I shall find a reference post!

AHA! EDIT: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=198934.msg3376985#msg3376985 (the thread was locked 2 days after I was supposed to get a payout :() I did wear the signature until everything fell apart..

1: TF when will you pay people back?
2: Did you receive an award for negative feedback?
3: Should you get banned from the forum for the BTC you lost/scammed/lied?

Thanks much.

Comment TF?

Did someone turn of the showing of trust by default?  All of a sudden I don't see TF's -600 trust and I wonder why?

Aaaand I do still see trust in other threads so it's not my settings.  Is it the default for off-topic?  Or does the OP control this in some way?

Some subforums display users' trust, others don't.

Aha, thanks (but you're stealing TradeFortress's thunder. you go to the zoo to see the animals you know, not to talk to talk to the other zoo vistors :)).

yeah me too can accept 0.1 instead of 0.4

Lol, stop trying.

Why !!!!! Its my money and i have full rights to ask to get them back

You *do* have full rights to ask.  But TF has full rights to steal your money if you loaned it to him and to only repay what he feels people have successfully argued for. :)

Did it feel good betting on JD a year ago TF?

Oh and dont forget this:

lol lol damn... tf..

you win much scammed much ..

but did not paying back lol.

Hello. You ran off with my feelings, can I have them back?

What the F&$% TradeFortress.  You negative rep'd me!  I deleted the damn signature campaign add a few days ago!  I understand if you want to try and do some good in this community, givin your past, but after getting your pretentious as hell PM, I removed the freaking ad and you still left negative trust on my account. 

Remove it now, as I removed the ad when I found out they were having problems, you have no basis for saying that I am a potential scammer!

If you're not a scammer, then why do you care what sort of feedback you get from tradefortress?

It's not like the things he has to say carry much weight with anybody else.

TradeFortress, care to answer my questions?

Negative feedback from TF will only make you appear more trustworthy.  Don't worry about it.

I have some that I'm pretty proud of. :)

I realize that, and it is a badge of honor in the same way that my BlackArrow neg rep is, but I thought since he took the time to craft those PM's and am trying to get back into this community, he would at least be trustworthy, this just shows he is the same person that ran off with all our btc.

Do you care to answer my below question?

No one cares about not trusted feedback.

And they care even less about TF's feedback.

It is not uncommon users with red feedback do massive neg reputation for no reason, so no one will care about it.

Hello TF aka $username,

I just got your PM and have agreed to remove my signature until dicebitco.in can get things figured out and prove they did not scam.

Can you please remove the trust that you left me? I tried to send a PM but it said it was blocked. Thank you.

You really shouldn't submit to TF's signature blackmail.  You're free to put any signature you want.  His account is currently being investigated by the mods for this recent PM blackmail activity.  Don't let a guy with -900 trust bother you.  It's likely his account is going to be banned for these recent shenanigans.

Sounds more like extortion ("do what I say if you don't want me to do something bad to you") than blackmail ("do what I say if you don't want me to reveal a secret").

Although, I suppose usage and meaning of the words "blackmail" and "extortion" may vary regionally.

Sounds more like blackmail to me. For extortion I think he would have to be trying to extort money from you, though I could also be wrong.

It sounds a lot more like signature spam to me. This person is posting this very point any time someone mentions TF giving negative trust for this. It is very annoying. TF is voicing his opinion just like others voice their opinion in the lending forum about newbies asking for loans. I don't agree with what TF is doing but he has his right to express his opinion.

This person on the other hand is all but certainly trying to get his 400 post quota as he is posting nonsense in several threads and replying to almost every reply even when his points were not discussed.

Damn, that was deep...

If the "hack" did actually happen, how did you feel?

[rant]
Hey Jackass,

I posted on this topic in reply to the dude who said he submitted to TF's blackmail in exactly two threads.  The first one is here where the dude admits to submitting to the blackmail and asks TF to take away the neg-rep. The second one was in the thread where the dude said "oh i'm sorry i removed the sig" in in the thread about the sig-ad campaign itself.  These two posts are both relevant and in reply to the guy who admitted to submitting to the blackmail.  And, what do you know, many many people are replying to it and engaging with it.  Just because you disagree or you don't understand doesn't make something irrelevant or off-topic.

As for haters like you who probably got kicked out of the PD campaign for low-quality posts and spamming I'm tired of you riding my ass.  I obviously did not get kicked out of the campaign for exactly the reason that I do not spam and put low-quality posts.  Give up on the hating and concentrate on the discussion at hand.  If you look at my post count since last month it's around 100, that's no where near 400 so really, give up on your hating.

Finally, the irony of Mr "ACCTseller" griping about signature spam is nearly too strong to believe.  The whole point of activity levels and ranks and their correlation to signature size is to prevent newbies from getting a hold of accounts that they didn't take the time to build up themselves---preventing signature spam.  Looking in your own post history I can see you saying stuff like "most people who buy an account make make up the ROI in no time with a sig campaign".  Wow.
[/rant]

Back to our normally scheduled thread.  Cheers!

As to the non-hater bullshit part of your post, TF definitely has a right to his opinion but neg-repping everyone involved in a campaign and threatening them doesn't amount to spreading your opinion, it's considered against the rules.  Voicing your opinion is one thing, neg-repping everyone you disagree with is another.  Sending PMs saying "remove your signature or else" are yet another.

@DannyHamilton:

You might be right about the semantics of blackmail vs extortion---but threatening is naughty no matter which type of threatening. :)

well good luck with your thread ...:)

 ??? ??? ??? ??? ???
MINE
 ??? ??? ??? ??? ???

Did he get banned? He hasn't posted or logged in since the 15th, though maybe he doesn't log in every day.

No.

No.


Done, thanks.

Sent!
https://blockchain.info/tx/766f0e7dbdd80447f66b756392a0b070fb09c3296a6c659576aea3bad2fb4d69

But you took mine!

If you're still in the mood, I'm in the exact same position as Kluge, used your signature for months, didn't get paid for the last month:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=198934.msg3532187#msg3532187

me too ::) If you feel you're gonna pay, that'd be great.

18YH62RTQxVokKqzV3b7q6sj9fdBQMW8CB

What language was inputs.io written in? Did it use Bitcoind?

You have shamed dicebitco.in, but now they apparently have made good on their "misdeeds" (see this thread (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=789339.msg8895325#msg8895325))

You also have displayed interest in participating in the dice.ninja signature campaign.

I have two questions:

1 - are you willing to reverse your stance on dicebitco.in now that they have refunded all users' "losses" as a result of the skipped nonce issue? You previously said you consider them to be a scam because they have not repaid all of their users' money that should have been owed to them.

2 - Can you please describe your relationship between both yourself and dicebitco.in and between yourself and dice.ninja? Have you played at either site (if so how much did you win/lose)? Have you invested in either site (and if so how much do you have invested, what is the most you have had in either site, and what is your gain/loss on your investment)?

It did. I truly believe that so I'm pretty disgusted with the response he got.

Are you serious?

1. it was obviously a con, so obviously I can't see how it could be more clear

2. even if it wasn't, you don't keep 4000 BTC in a hot wallet, it's not an hot wallet anymore

i would like to accept 0.1 instead of 0.4 too.

Still waiting. I will accept the fiat equivalent of the btc price back then.

What is obvious is that you have a strong preconceived opinion, and have no interest of changing your views irrespective to what I say. Your postings revolve around demonstrating that you consider yourself wiser than other people because you stopped using CoinLenders earlier. I think you should find more interesting and less boastful uses of your time.

I won't be responding to you in the future because of your firm opinions and attitude, not because I have no arguments against your views.


Sorry about that, I didn't realize that the exchange I was sending from deducted 0.0006 BTC from the transfer amount.


Not entirely. DiceBitco.in disabled bet lookups for other users, coinciding with 'mateo''s bets. I believe a user has also analyzed and found the chance of 'mateo' winning that much with their bet pattern and volume to be below minus 5 sigma. 


DiceBitco.in still hasn't fully compensated all users. They only refunded deposits, not what the player would have won without the rigging. Users who would have won double their deposit would only get their original deposit back.


I have never invested in DiceBitco.in or dice.ninja.

PHP. It used a modified bitcoind with patches that improved scalability.


Sorry, the current signature payouts are for people who held the signature for the full duration.

0.1 i can accept instead of 0.4

Is there anyway I can still get paid for my month?

Im certain I wore it for the full month.

Preconceived?

Amount I stole? 0.
Amount you stole? ~4000BTC.

I'm pretty sure any burden is on you.

TF:

What steps have you taken to collect those debts? What collateral did you obtain prior to issuing those loans?
If you are unwilling to legally pursue collection of those debts on behalf of Coinlenders depositors please post the details of those loans including debtor contact information on this forum so the depositors can pursue those debts directly.

Additionally what jurisdiction did you report the theft in? Date of report? Case #?

Send me an email from your Inputs email, along with an address.

And if you had, what next?

What exchange have you been using to pay signature payments? Do you think it is strange that they are taking such a large TX fee out even though the actual TX fee given to the miners is a standard size (.0006 taken from TX verses ~.0001 given to miners)

Do you wish your BCT member rank was Legendary right now?

TF,my blance of coinlenders,how ,when can i get back :'(

BTER. I have no doubt that they use this as a revenue raising method, although they may receive a large amount of dust deposited that results in some of their transactions requiring higher fees.

I guess that'd be nice.

Would you be mad if I pooped in your pants?

You are a famous scammer. I want to scam as good as you.

Is pooping in someone's pants some kind of popular scam in third-world countries? -Like you borrow someone's pants and then return them soiled? ???

No. It is a freaky thing that is a fantasy

Go see a psychiatrist or something mate

So, TF.

Why'd you change your username?

TF, how many btc you have now?

Are you guilty or not guilty?

hey. i just started thinking about it now.. but I heard that the old owner of coinchat is TF (never bothered to ask what TF stands for). is that you?

Eh, I might as well answer it for you.

Yes, Coin Chat was owned by TF. I think it was kind of obvious...

not that obvious for me.. and besides, I joined after he left

there's this thing called reading old forum threads; try it one day

yes, sir. will do, sir.  ::)

obviously..

so.. back in business? ;D

What do you think of the new Coin Chat? Have you ever visited it recently?

There's a new coinchat?  That's kinda amazing.  I'm going to check this out for sure.  Last I looked for coinchat it wouldn't resolve.

I would a link to the new coinchat.

Ah,i had a nice time on the old coinchat.

It's the same link as it always was (coinchat.org). It's member count is pretty low, as they don't promote it a whole lot (I don't think they want a mass amount of members, or just don't have enough funds to advertise.)

LOL, no you're not.

You still owe old-coinchat 0.213 BTC from abusing the chat rewards with an automated bot. This amount belongs to coinchat.

messaged chipug to ban you on sight :)

Any updates?

I stopped by and everyone was friendly.  The amoutntyou say I owe changes each time you reference it, lol.  Your accusation might hold a leeetle bit more water if you could keep that part straight.  :)

Since you are keeping track of who owes who btc, I will reimburse old-Coinchat the .0213 supposedly owed by Tspacepilot as soon as you reimburse the 147.6094 btc you owe me from Coinlenders.

You said that you did not sell your account. If this is true then can you explain this thread? (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=134946.0)

Oh you just got caught dude.

But that thread is oooooooold. Even from before the inputs/coinlenders "hack".

How did you feel about selling the source code of coinchat?
I know i left soon after because of the new owners changing it beyond recognition.

It has always been 0.213 BTC, the trust feedback is for all coins you've defrauded including the ones you didn't get to withdrew iirc.


This was around shep's torrent invite selling ruckus, as you might figure from the post :)

It doesn't seem like you recall correctly or, to be honest, that you ever actually understood the facts of the situation correctly in the first place.  Anywhoo, the internet is a big place.  I can continue to exist alongside your false accusations for as long as you'd like to maintain them.  No problem.  Cheers.

Yet you lost/stole (whatever) thousands of Bitcoin? I lost out too and that nearly ruined me for Bitcoin but I picked my self back up and moved on...I think you should do the same with tspacepilot.

Are you the real TF? the one on the news.

What news?  Links?

Think hes refering to the hacks a long time ago.

Are you going to run with the BTC you get?

Wut?

Try the search function next time.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=74046.0

Bump

Why do you keep changing your name?

It's fun.

do you use "username" as your username outside of this forum?
I've seen quite a bit of "usernames" lately, 7 and counting..

Do you remember the details behind the negative trust you left takagari (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=102917)?

It was left in September 2013 which is I believe when your opinion was highly valued and you were still trusted.

There is a thread in meta regarding his reputation, feel free to chime in.

he is being $username for quite a time.

I guess the change name times ended

Done, thanks.

I feel this is a wonderful reason to stick around.

How about the negative feedback you left me and in your email said you would remove as I removed the signature when it was brought to my attention that the site was a scam?  Surely you remember writing that email to me and saying you would remove it?

Here is an actual question, how can you justify giving negative trust to all those who advertised that dice site, for which we will never know if it was a scam or if they really got hacked, but you don't give negative trust to those who advertised inputs or coinlenders, even though there is also no way we will ever probably know if you stole the coins or if they were actually stolen (either way you said you would be liable for all of them when I deposited the coins and I never agreed to any other terms and conditions)?

How do u feel when u see people are getting Goxed and Stamped ?

TF stole the coins.

If you remember, about 3 months before the theft, TF blocked ALL personal messages on the forum, forcing everyone to email him.  He didn't want Theymos to see what he was doing.

It's like a smoking gun.  Or someone who changes their will right before they die in an "accident".  TF knew he was going to scam, and he planned for it.

95% he stole them or 100% he stole them?

    __
99.99% he stole them


No one will ever know what really happened though but that seems to be the consensus.
I even lost 1 BTC at CL.

Sometimes I wonder whether it would have been good for me to be an early adopter and get some goodies and get scammed or be what I am - a late adopter - and not get anything. :)

Speaking of which... it appears TF or $username has ~16 BTC sitting in his known bitcoin wallet not associated with inputs.io/CoinLenders

https://blockchain.info/address/1GLadosEkeAsLReqS3yQ51E1R3wVtbJCDF

So if you would like to use a portion of that to refund my 1 BTC that was supposedly safe at CoinLenders it'd be appreciated. You can keep the some odd interest that I had earned so long as I get the original 1 BTC back, the USD price is probably about the same as it was when I deposited also.

BTC Addr: 1GvUbiK1bevSqQjmXgNAtW5yJs11KYV35W

TF, I remember some of your sites before the 'fiasco'.  Seemed you had very good coding skill.  Are you working on any projects, or cryptocoin I am wondering?

He claims to have lost over 4k bitcoins, how is that very good coding skill? (we know he stole it, but how can you call him a good coder when he says he lost it?)

I honestly can't remember if I cleaned out my CL account, I had always thought I left a bit to appreciate locked in. As it was used in loans, but the site went down and I'll never know.

What happened TF, we chatted so often, it all just went downhill from there :(

EDIT:
Thank you for removing that feedback.

I believe he was a decent programmer. Even if this wasn't a inside job, it doesn't make you a bad programmer that you missed something which someone else found out. Peoples brains operate differently, or may be more skilled. It doesn't make him a bad programmer.

Although, for holding such a large amount of coins, he should of invested in some penetration testing. (He might have) But, as far as I'm aware he coded it himself and probably didn't think it would be a problem checking for security issues himself.

Sadly, I too had money stored there. Which I didn't get back (lucky I was wise enough not to store much there), But I'm not going to go throw shit at the wall and call him a bad programmer. I might.

It doesn't matter if I believe he stole it or not, we can't prove it and we are speculating.

Touche, the websites did operate well and efficiently, which would have taken coding skills.  I guess I should have called him an idiot for leaving that much in a hot wallet.  So I would suppose stupid but gifted at programming is a better way to describe him.  Also a liar for telling people he would back up funds with his own and a liar for saying he wasn't going to keep that much in the hot wallet.  You could also argue a thief, depending on what you believe happened to the coins.

It wasn't a programming bug. The exact vulnerability is described in Brain Eha's upcoming book Walking the Silk Road (inputs has its own section!!), but the gist was the attacker managed to reset the password on a chain of my emails, and get into the server control panel. There was no programming bug.

Inputs had been penetration tested regularly, and on security-critical projects I regularly spend upwards of $5000 on a thorough pentest by professional security forums.

This is the sticking point with me. TF was smart enough to know that you can't fully secure anything, and even if you make it so hard it isn't worth it, there's always social engineering. Leaving that much sitting around was foolish, and I don't think he's a fool. Maybe I'm giving him too much credit, I don't know.

made a typo.

Yeah, I don't have any explanation other than (i) lazyness (the system wasn't set up to make sending to cold storage easy, and it had to be performed manually), (ii) wanting to keep sufficient amounts on the server so nobody worries/panics, and (iii) about 1500 BTC was deposited within 48 hrs of the hack.

The later systems I've built do make sending to cold storage easier, but for the most recent site it was still an manual process. I intend on doing automatic cold storage transfers (hourly cronjob) for my future projects.

Do you feel any responsibility or remorse for those people that got screwed because of you?  Still feeling the pinch because part of my wedding budget was in coinlenders, as well as, my fiancée's tuition money, and as far as I knew you were going to reimburse people from your own personal stash if anything went wrong (those were the terms I agreed to and was never asked to agree to something different), so I felt like they were pretty safe and obviously wasn't my whole amount.  Do you think its fair to sit on a couple hundred shares of AsicMiner, as well as other securities and bitcoin, and leave those you damaged as if nothing happened?  Certainly if you think that all of that is OK, you will show yourself at some conference or give out your personal details so people can talk with you face to face, because you don't think you did anything wrong, why would others?

You were once one of the most trusted members of bitcointalk. Now many of the threads you post in and the posts you make, and the threads you make are trolled with people saying how much of a thief (they think) you are.

Do you think you will ever be able to rebuild your reputation on bitcointalk and throughout the bitcoin community?

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Does anyone have your dox or know your RL identity?

Charlie Hedbo thought they did nothing wrong but someone did,  now 12 are dead. http://m.bbc.com/news/world-europe-30710883

If you were TF right now would you reveal your identity?

Even when he was highly trusted TF wished to remain anonymous, why would he reveal himself when there is so much bad blood towards him?

exactly my point to prove that people hold him responsible and that he owes the community still.

I'm sorry for how CL/Inputs ended.

So I take it that his RL identity is not known by anyone in the community?

Another question:

(sorry for the multiple posts and sorry if this has been answered already).

I know that inputs/CL lost 4,100+ bitcoin from the attack (the headline number), however how much was "lost" after you account for the money that was repaid to investors from ??? funds? In other words what was the net amount lost by investors?

In regards to the money that was paid back, where did this money come from? was it from cold storage? from your personal funds?

What you do think the overall chances of your investors being able to recoup additional recoveries from inputs/CL are? Is it close to zero or do you think there is a fighting chance they could get repaid?

You weren't happy with your take?

That doesn't look like TF coming out as hashie that looks like hashie trying to pass the blame, TF can you confirm are you hashie?

LOL and why do you think that was him?

I'm not saying it was, all I'm asking is does he still have control of that email?  wondering if the hashie scam is some how related to the inputs.io hack and wondering who he has talked with on btc-otc as I think someone from there has vendettas against other members.

With this logic...

I understand it could be some dude just posting an email. The whole way the scam took place is weird. all I know is dude dropped an email that has a past. inputs.io had social engineering tactics and someone has gone around impersonating trade fortress. from what I have found people believe that trade fortress was another member called milkshake. the domain name for the email that was used was registered to yan wang and now shows mark russells. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=211169.0

That's pretty funny, anyway.

Got any new projects which might gain some of your reputation back?

apparently hashie
https://code.google.com/p/chromium/issues/detail?id=429395

Security: Window.opener bypasses same origin policy    
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Status:     WontFix
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Closed:     Nov 2
Type-Bug-Security


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Reported by ad...@glados.cc, Oct 31, 2014

VULNERABILITY DETAILS
Opened windows (through normal hrefs with target="_blank") can modify window.opener.location and replace the parent webpage with something else, even on a different origin (bypassing same origin policy).

While this doesn't allow script execution, it does allow phishing attacks that silently replace the parent tab (which a user already mentally trusts).

window.opener.location should not be modifiable if on a different origin.

VERSION
Chrome Version: 37.0.2062.94 + stable
Operating System: Ubuntu

REPRODUCTION CASE

https://hashie.co/chrome/demo.html

Oct 31, 2014
#1 meacer@chromium.org

Thanks for the report, but the repro doesn't seem to be working on Chrome 38 on Linux. Could you try reproducing with a more recent version?

Oct 31, 2014
#2 ad...@glados.cc

Unfortunately the latest version of Chromium in my PPA is 37.

I've been able to reproduce this on Chrome 38.0.2125.114 for Android.

Oct 31, 2014
#3 ad...@glados.cc

To clarify, the actual POC is in the link on the page. The https://hashie.co/chrome/demo.html page will be replaced with example.org by pix4bit.com

Nov 1, 2014
#4 meacer@chromium.org

The demo page doesn't work for me on M37 on Mac either. When I switch back to example.com tab I see a very brief flash of https://hashie.co/chrome/demo.html but otherwise the actual example.com page is displayed in page contents. I haven't tested on Android yet though.

Nov 2, 2014
#5 wfh@chromium.org

The user decides to trust a particular tab by inspecting the URL and determining the origin.  In all cases here both tabs area always showing the correct origin for the content being shown.

On android, when entering any data into a form, the origin is always shown, even if it's previously been elided by scrolling down.  The user can then make a trust decision based on this visible origin.

Given this, I don't see any risk to users more than the users just clicking on a link and visiting a new page, so I am closing with WontFix.

Do you have any  idea who the hacker could of been?

At this point I don't have much to go on. The only things that stand out is that this email had to deal with the inputs.io hack. there are chat logs that are pretty much one sided in that they all seem to be from TraderFortress. in the chat logs there is a person called crypt0queen. probably would fit the whole frozen thing. it boils down to two things 1. we either believe that inputs.io was breached and that TradeFortress didn't hack it himself. or 2. that he was the victim of social engineering and had all of his shit compromised. the log is found here http://btcfaucet.com/logs/TradeFortress_inputsio.txt

09:10 < TradeFortress> hi
09:12 < TradeFortress> I take full responsibility for leaving that much in the hot wallet.
09:13 < TradeFortress> The hacker tried resetting passwords for my email addresses, and was able to reset one which was created 6 years earlier, without phone / recovery email and gmail happily allowed resetting.
09:14 < TradeFortress> That compromised email account was the recovery for another hotmail email, which was also compromised.
09:15 < TradeFortress> BigBitz|wrk, read please.
09:15 < TradeFortress> I didn't use the old email account without MFA
09:15 < TradeFortress> That old email acc was the recovery email of another account
09:15 < TradeFortress> @gmail > @hotmail > @gmail (2, recv'd forwarding from admin@glados.cc)
09:16 < TradeFortress> BigBitz|wrk: yes
09:16 < TradeFortress> linode 2FA was bypassed
09:16 < TradeFortress> they seem to be aware of it and don't bother to fix it.
09:16 < TradeFortress> BigBitz|wrk: yes
09:17 < TradeFortress> the attacker also used a (compromised?) server close to my geographical location
09:17 < TradeFortress> I think that helped massively with email recovery
09:18 < TradeFortress> pbase: no. I want to be open and communcative about what has happened.
09:19 < TradeFortress> BigBitz|wrk: I took significant efforts in protecting Inputs' server, but I've never thought about old abandoned emails.
09:20 < TradeFortress> BCB: What do you want me to do then? Invent a magic wand?
09:20 < TradeFortress> I'm refunding as much as I can from all the BTC I have, and the assets I or CL owns.
09:21 < TradeFortress> 9536feebe3a50b94f85ca27d56e669a7209bd4188385d55c5b97227c95cf7f74
09:21 < TradeFortress> BTC was sent here, it's still unspent. https://blockchain.info/address/1EMztWbGCBBrUAHquVeNjWpJKcB8gBzAFx
09:24 < TradeFortress> Quite simply, I wasn't sure what to do, if I could acquire 4K btc so users are not at a loss, and as well as investigating the scope of the hack.
09:25 < TradeFortress> *sign*
09:26 < TradeFortress> BigBitz|wrk: the txid was the first inputs hack
09:26 < TradeFortress> the API was the second, done by the same attacker who dumped the user DB, and then used the API
09:27 < TradeFortress> TheButterZone, I can't see how that'd hurt.
09:28 < TradeFortress> bitsav3: 2x gmail, 1x hotmail
09:30 < TradeFortress> bitnumus, if you check the txid lots of deposits are recent
09:32 < TradeFortress> bitnumus: yes, there's cold storage, but there was more in the hot pocket than cold storage
09:34 < TradeFortress> viboracecata?
09:35 < TradeFortress> theboos, I'm very interested in what security vulns viboracecata claims to have on Inputs.
09:35 < TradeFortress> so has he followed up with the claim? and how long ago?
09:36 < TradeFortress> I'm not aware of any unsolved security vulnerabilities relating to Input's code and enviroment, other than the DB has been compromised. The attack was done through email resets and bypassing security features on Linode's side.
09:37 < TradeFortress> 2FA
09:38 < TradeFortress> BCB: no.
09:38 < TradeFortress> web server was bought from Linode, bitcoind server was on macminicolo
09:38 < TradeFortress> (I own the metal to the macminicolo)
09:39 < TradeFortress> crypt0queen: that's what was used
09:39 < TradeFortress> it wasn't compromised through a server vuln
09:40 < TradeFortress> Linode's position is that my account was not compromised. The attacker simply reset my Linode password through an email request, and then ssh'd into Linode's lish, and got console access to my Linode through lish with my linode account password.
09:40 < TradeFortress> linode lets you reset  root passwords..
09:42 < TradeFortress> the attacker copied certain files via FTP using mc, to another (I believe compromised server), and accessed the bitcoind server by pretending to make withdraw requests for an account with an inflated balance
09:42 < TradeFortress> BigBitz: NO
09:42 < TradeFortress> FTP WAS NOT ENABLED
09:42 < TradeFortress> yes
09:43 < TradeFortress> I have obtained the logs
09:43 < TradeFortress> (through Linode)
09:43 < TradeFortress> attacker installed mc
09:43 < TradeFortress> transferred files to 10;15Hd@mastersearching.com:mercedes49@69.85.88.31
09:43 < TradeFortress> BigBitz|wrk: yes, internal ones
09:45 < TradeFortress> BigBitz|wrk, multiple files that relates to internal functions of Inputs, ie the controller.
09:46 < TradeFortress> I have no evidence of the bitcoind mac mini getting compromised. it didn't bark. I suspect the attacker also made one account have -4000 BTC
09:46 < TradeFortress> which allowed it to pass sanity checks
09:46 < TradeFortress> as the total balance as reported by the db matched.
09:46 < TradeFortress> BigBitz|wrk: I have the logs of what they did to the server.
09:47 < TradeFortress> on the server, via lish, I should say.
09:47 < TradeFortress> theboos: did it directly through the DB
09:47 < TradeFortress> wasn't logged.
09:47 < TradeFortress> as it copied DB access creds
09:48 < TradeFortress> BigBitz|wrk: not on the database
09:48 < TradeFortress> bitsav3, I think they're compromised hosts
09:48 < TradeFortress> like http://mastersearching.com/
09:48 < TradeFortress> theboos, of course I've audited the db
09:49 < TradeFortress> the DB doesn't log every single change
09:50 < TradeFortress> general_log wasn't enabled
09:50 < TradeFortress> nor binary logs
09:51 < TradeFortress> +infinity
09:53 < TradeFortress> BCB: it's not enabled.
09:54 < TradeFortress> I didn't disable them, I'm pretty sure they're not enabled by default.
09:55 < TradeFortress> yup BCB
09:55 < TradeFortress> coingenuity, yes, macmini bitcoind iplocked to the web linode
09:55 < TradeFortress> that's a surprise to me
09:56 < TradeFortress> pbase: no, I have saved disk images as soon as I detected the compromise
09:56 < TradeFortress> yep
09:56 < TradeFortress> BigBitz|wrk: installed the env myself.
09:57 < TradeFortress> pbase: definitely not publicly. I'd expect there to be quite a lot of sensitive information in RAM, such as cached mysql data.
09:58 < TradeFortress> actually, no, I didn't do a ram dump.
09:58 < TradeFortress> but the disk image includes db data
09:59 < TradeFortress> I am not aware of if it was forensically sound. I estimate not.
09:59 < TradeFortress> The disk image was dumped via cloning using linode manager.
09:59 < TradeFortress> took like half a hour too
10:01 < TradeFortress> no, not booted
10:01 < TradeFortress> it was cloned to another linode that have not been booted
10:01 < TradeFortress> another as in brand new.
10:02 < TradeFortress> first of all, I'll have to figure out how to transfer the disk image
10:03 < TradeFortress> then I'll have to boot the disk image and remove the db files?
10:04 < TradeFortress> user DB is sorta sensitive. while passwords are hashed w/ bcrypt, PINs are exposed, and there's emails
10:05 < TradeFortress> theboos, that sounds like a good idea
10:05 < TradeFortress> BCB: password reset for my emails, linode, yes.
10:06 < TradeFortress> bitsav3, I will
10:06 < TradeFortress> BCB: they're like typical resets, what do you want to see?
10:07 < TradeFortress> https://i.imgur.com/sQnXsx0.png
10:07 < TradeFortress> the second time the attacker tried to get in
10:08 < TradeFortress> apisnetworks (my shared host, attacker thought there was something useful in here)
10:09 < TradeFortress> pastebin?
10:09 < TradeFortress> http://pastebin.com/J7S9xWyT
10:10 < TradeFortress> BigBitz|wrk: yep, there was one from Oct 23 that I can't now find for some reason.
10:10 < TradeFortress> BigBitz|wrk: hence 'the second time'.
10:10 < TradeFortress> right
10:11 < TradeFortress> BigBitz|wrk: where did you get the impression that I 'didn't do anything'?
10:11 < TradeFortress> I didn't just disregard the password reset email, especially since I couldn't login to linode again
10:11 < TradeFortress> second reset was mine, to regain access
10:12 < TradeFortress> BCB: no
10:12 < TradeFortress> BigBitz|wrk: what?
10:12 < TradeFortress> look at the screenshot
10:12 < TradeFortress> look at the screenshot
10:12 < TradeFortress> how many emails do you see
10:12 < TradeFortress> 2
10:12 < TradeFortress> 1st one: second time attacker tried to get access
10:12 < TradeFortress> 2nd one: me regaining access
10:15 < TradeFortress> glados.cc is powered by google apps
10:15 < TradeFortress> btcfaucet, tried pass resets
10:16 < TradeFortress> btcfaucet, I do not know what they performed, I do not remember the answer to security questions myself.
10:16 < TradeFortress> BigBitz|wrk: when you have shell access you can easily disable that.
10:16 < TradeFortress> BCB: k
10:16 < TradeFortress> duh
10:17 < TradeFortress> with gmail account, I recovered access simply by entering my old (changed) password
10:17 < TradeFortress> probably due to that I usually sign in from that device
10:17 < TradeFortress> BCB: http://pastebin.com/MhKTa5zN
10:19 < TradeFortress> BCB: show original > I see this.
10:19 < TradeFortress> bitcoind was dedi, I own the metal to it.
10:19 < TradeFortress> web was xen
10:20 < TradeFortress> BCB: tell me how.
10:20 < TradeFortress> just like the apisnetworks?
10:20 < TradeFortress> I'm accessing it the same way
10:20 < TradeFortress> 'Show Original'
10:21 < TradeFortress> BCB: I copied the entirety
10:21 < TradeFortress> understatement :p
10:23 < TradeFortress> https://i.imgur.com/H0NEeI7.png
10:24 < TradeFortress> for the linode
10:25 < TradeFortress> balances were signed because it's POSSIBLE that someone would have a negative balance on inputs
10:25 < TradeFortress> but in normal operation it hsouldn't
10:25 < TradeFortress> btcfaucet, that won't work because the mini does some sanity checking, such as SUM(balance)
10:26 < TradeFortress> stqism: no
10:26 < TradeFortress> whitelisted
10:28 < TradeFortress> BCB: they are.
10:28 < TradeFortress> you asked for the second email
10:28 < TradeFortress> I sent you the original (as exposed by mail.google.com) and pastebinned & screenshotted it.
10:29 < TradeFortress> stqism: I thought tcp packets with a faked source won't be accepted.
10:30 < TradeFortress> BCB: haven't I already told this twice
10:30 < TradeFortress> the email, on the top, was the attacker's 2nd reset
10:30 < TradeFortress> then I was unable to login, so I had to reset it again
10:30 < TradeFortress> you asked for the SECOND
10:30 < TradeFortress> so I sent you the SECOND
10:30 < TradeFortress> ie the one at the bottom
10:31 < TradeFortress> you want the one on the top? ask for the FIRST then.
10:31 < TradeFortress> go look at the screenshots
10:31 < TradeFortress> BCB: of?
10:31 < TradeFortress> have you looked at the screenshot
10:31 < TradeFortress> look at the SECOND email because you asked for the 2nd's original.
10:32 < TradeFortress> check the scrollback
10:32 < TradeFortress> it's this, https://i.imgur.com/sQnXsx0.png, correct?
10:35 < TradeFortress> BigBitz|wrk: not after this.
10:35 < TradeFortress> BigBitz|wrk: to?
10:36 < TradeFortress> BigBitz|wrk: I exercise my right to reject it.
10:36 < TradeFortress> BCB: then why don't you ask.
10:38 < TradeFortress> https://i.imgur.com/pCtanaU.png
10:38 < TradeFortress> ever realize I might be screenshotting and uploading?
10:38 < TradeFortress> coingenuity, yep
10:39 < TradeFortress> BigBitz|wrk: gmail uses local time zones
10:39 < TradeFortress> BCB: did I? that's the full email.
10:41 < TradeFortress> kk, I've spent 1.5 hours or so here now.
10:42 < TradeFortress> I have another hundred emails to handle for Inputs.io
10:42 < TradeFortress> email me at admin@glados.cc if you want to contact me, I'll try and pop in tomorrow.
10:43 < TradeFortress> what is wrong with you BCB
10:43 < TradeFortress> do you need glasses
10:43 < TradeFortress> they are different emails
10:44 < TradeFortress> BCB: post them, show where it was the same timestamp
10:48 < TradeFortress> BCB: nothing useful on apisnetworks
10:48 < TradeFortress> most you could do is change the index.html on http://glados.cc/!
19:35 <@gribble> TradeFortress was last seen in #bitcoin-otc 8 hours, 46 minutes, and 30 seconds ago: <TradeFortress> most you could do is change the index.html on http://glados.cc/!

Yeah, there is definitely some sort of connection between TradeFortress and Hashie and I'd like to hear his explanation too.

so hes working on new projects which require time and funding and hes not refunding anyones money?

and a new identity because no one would even touch the project if his old account was linked to it.  So now deceit can be added to his list of faults (assuming he has something to do with hashie).

Yeah, probably scammed people from inputs.io and other places. Then just funnels the money off and funds projects with your money. Hashie created social media accounts then was like I haz miners.

Could someone explain the evidence linking TF and hashie? I have seen multiple allegations here however from what I can tell the only evidence provided to back this up is a IRC log from around the time that inputs/CL failed/was hacked

https://code.google.com/p/chromium/issues/detail?id=306734


https://code.google.com/p/chromium/issues/detail?id=429395

You admitted it was your fault and took full responsability so are you ever going to refund anyone?

Anyone, yes - he has. Everyone - no.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=327178.0 this post ties the hotmail account that was supposedly hacked in the inputs.io hack the recovery email was set to the admin@glados account.

Let's play!

various forum members have stated that TradeFortress doesn't seem to be the same post inputs.io hack and that very well maybe true given the context. However, you would think that if his website was breached and everything was tied to it. wouldn't someone from the community make a statement and say not to do business. Instead all you get is hey I have new website invest money in me and then something happened I lost your money.

you never did give me an image or a good enough explanation :(

You guys found hiim out and he has not be online for 2 days  :D

Nah, I think it is him. He intentionally tried to act differently to screw with people, he enjoys that.


He's enjoying his hookers and coke, and planning his next ponzi.

I think he's a little young for that kind of stuff.

 
It's kind of hard to paint a picture, this is more like looking for signs of arson after a huge fire has been set. The scam sites he ran have different names but all say sydney australia. The common theme is that all the sites use the same email, they all run fine for a while then payments stop. hashie said something like I'll give you a hint and posted a picture of team fortress, then dropped the email that leads to trade fortress. hashie and $username seem to have the same typing pattern when posting. for example

hashie vs TF
no matter what username you use, certain typing traits will still show.

 the admin email is also tied with a website called die2nite. he post something on google about it here https://groups.google.com/forum/#!msg/mt_die2night/zwnstqaV7L0/1yzH4QcxCVIJ and he posted on the die2nite website here http://www.die2nite.com/tid/forum#!view/4|thread/1329041

My email ends with "glados.cc" and twinoid suggests me to change it to "glados.cl".

.cc is a valid domain name and I think it's more commonly used compared to .cl.

although he probably isn't still active in it

What things look like is that tf registers sites using fake names, then tries to change it later on. example, hashie is registered to queen elsa now. the Best explanation would be from tf as i'm pretty sure others have done research from his various scams and could elaborate more while we wait for tf to come back from vacation.

If Badbear thinks its TF still then its still TF. Badbear has access to all the IPs linked to him so I'm sure Badbear has checked it and probably seen some similiarities.

im sure tf would of been smart enough to use tor or a vpn at all times even before the hack so the ips wouldn't help in this case but badbear might see similarities as he can see more than we do.

Tor would be nice, the way the fbi has been crawling around it and with the exit node control. let him use something that's a potential honeypot. we can only hope that his ip leaked out, a temporary disconnect from vpn. I didn't really lose anything from any of this, I find tracking this bastard down better than that arg. I heard Australia is possibly banning encryption, while that does suck. it could become http://www.labspaces.net/pictures/blog/4e5466b7dc69f1314154167_blog.jpg if he doesn't cash out by then.

^[citation needed]
How would one even enforce a ban on encryption?

How do you feel about not being the worst reputation in the forum anymore?

Who passed him?

Me?

Trust:   50: -0 / +29(29)
Yep, the case has been cracked.

Pepsi*

Coke is for real men.

He was found out millions of light years ago, before the Bronze Age...

I don't think Oz is trying to ban encryption, I heard that some restrictions placed on research and development in Oz may affect crypto development, but I don't think thats what the guy was referring to. However the UK is trying to ban encryption:
http://www.engadget.com/2015/01/13/uk-ban-secure-communications/


How would they do it? the same way Iran and others done it, or I should say failed to do it. Iran has a great firewall of China type suppression system that can fingerprint most types of encrypted traffic such as VPN etc, and for SSL they force all citizens to install their CA in their browser and serve up their own SSL certs for every SSL website. If the UK actually goes ahead and does this, we'll probably see more encryption systems integrating steganography, which makes the encrypted traffic look like unencrypted traffic. When that happens then only the bad guys who are willing to break the law will have access to computer security, the people they wanted to conduct surveillance on in the first place, and I don't think it'll be long before the government changes their mind about banning encryption.

Indeed, I find a number of governments' recent moves against privacy disturbing.  But maybe we should ask TF what he thinks?

Are you an alt of moreia (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=930008.0;all) and/or Williamj?

Why did you give moreia negative feedback for running multiple HYIP sites?

I think the guy from butterfly labs and some others

no he's not

Then what evidence does he have against moreia (he did leave a negative against him several months ago for running multiple HYIP sites)

TF has the programming skills himself so would not have partnered with Williamj to do the coding

Unless you want to really get into conspiracy mode and say TF was both of them...

it is possible, but somewhat unlikely. I am somewhat surprised to see just how many alts that moreia has and would not at all be surprised to see that TF has just as many.

take my word on it please

I believe you, but I want to know how he knew about moreia so soon before he was publicly exposed

b!z is TF  :o

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=703436.msg8214350#msg8214350

Thanks Blazr.



Do I still have you on steam?

Is B4RF (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=323373) one of your alt accounts?

They both left almost the exact same trust to one person on the same day (same comment but one with a link and one without). It could have been sending from the wrong browser, ect.

You also seem to be posting here a lot. Do you have any relation to the OP?

LOL. Well you could be comming here to prevent too many people from getting mad at TF and eventually being mad enough to put in eough effort to dox him.
He probably wants to keep his socks from being discovered.

How many hours of programming would the 10.68 btc you owe me get me?

Dunno. I haven't played many games lately. They bore me now.


Lmao.

if someone do it with posts, he would be nuked in no time.

But I guess they take the reputation system is not moderated a bit seriously

If you want hourly billing, I bill at US$100 / hr. I'll happily exchange 10.68 BTC of CoinLenders debt for 5.34 BTC of services credit.

That's not quite what I had in mind, more like I get 10.68 btc worth of services credit, since that is the amount I had on the site and was lost (aka I am entitled to the full amount), and we use an exchange rate that is not today's (since you have been essentially holding the coins for quite a while and the exchange rate has fluctuated quite a bit), I was thinking closer to 400 or 500 dollars per coin.

In exchange, I will consider your debt to me completely absolved and will no longer pursue legal or any other actions against said debt.  I will not charge additional interest or penalties on the time the coins will held.  If the site is finished prior to my amount running out, the full amount will be considered repaid.  I will have some buddies review all code of the website, and anything they deem to be "funny business' will make our contract null and void and I will still be owed the full amount, regardless of how much work was performed.

I honestly think you are pushing your luck here. It is my understanding that TF's identity is not publicly known so you will probably have a hard time pursuing legal action against him. It is also my understanding that he doesn't have massive amounts of excess money so even if you were to get a judgment against him (after finding his identity) you would be unlikely be able to recover the entire amount (I think 50% would probably be pushing the max that you would expect to be able to recover). If your debt was denominated in terms of bitcoin then the exchange rate does not matter. Additionally the fact that you were foolish enough to invest your bitcoin in a third party service like CL shows that you are probably foolish enough to have invested your bitcoin in some other "investment" that would have resulted in a similar loss (or would have tried selling via Gox and similarly lost everything)

no, he has always said he will do programming as compensation, and I would hardly call this bargaining.  He stole/lost/whatever you want to call it 10.68 bitcoin from me, why on earth would I let that debt go for half of what he lost.  Imagine if anyone said you loaned me $1000, I lost it in the stock market, but I will do $500 in services for you, I suppose if you don't believe there is any other recourse that could be an option, but usually things like this eventually catch up to people, and then I, as I assume many, will be waiting.

That being said, TF, if your willing to trade my debt for 22 hours of programming time.  So (10 btc X $220)/$100 per hour (less than what you owe me and lower than the exchange rate) or finish my website, whichever comes first, I would consider my debt squared.  I have an idea, and I would like to get an idea of what it would take to program before finishing up on an agreement.

He is now well over a year "late" in allowing you to withdraw your money. Generally speaking debt will trade/sell for pennies on the dollar when it becomes 180 days late, and sells at significant discounts when it is 90 days late. He is offering you 50 cents on the dollar (or 25 cents on the dollar if you want it denominated in dollars - which is really not realistic).

Notice how I did not respond to your post, there was a reason for that.  What you have written is garbage and does not, in any way, contribute to the discussion at hand.  Your completely working off of premises, same as I, so what is the point of even posting them?  Its funny that how when people get behind a computer they are oh so willing to spill their entire, "opinion" because they are anonymous.  I am not debating with you about the issue and what you think he owes anyone.  I know what is owed to me, and will not be satisfied until the original amount is returned or we come to some comparable agreement, whether or not you believe either side of that is possible is really no concern of mine.  Feel free to tend to your own finances as you see fit, and I will continue to do mine.

I did notice that.

I also think you will be waiting for a very long time.

Hey TF, you owe me ~3.384 BTC. Any suggestions?

TF owes me 72 btc (coinlenders scam)

What's gci?

DebitMe: Inasmuch as you think I have your 10.68 BTC, I do not. I consider my owed obligations to you 0 BTC, while you consider it 10.68 BTC. I'm offering you a compromise at the halfway point.


Same offer, 1.692 BTC of development work.


Thanks :D

How about this...you hear my idea for a website I want, if you can finish it within the time you believe you owe me, we call it good.  Otherwise we can forget this conversation happened for now.

Sure.

How should I get in contact? Do you tstill have PM's blocked?

Email :)

Still what's GCI?

Email Sent

Can you guys get a room or something?

You had posted negative trust on tspacepilot that he defrauded coinchat. Do you have any evidence of him doing so? If so can you post such evidence?

Fun that ACCTseller is doing everything he can to troll me on every possible thread.  If you've really got sherlock skills, you'll find the long-ass thread on Meta where me, tradefortress, saltyspitoon and others hash it all out (approximately 2.5 years ago, I'd guess)

Why don't you post a link to the thread if you really are confident that you did not do anything wrong?

Because I've got better things to do than look back through 3 years of posts on bitcointalk just to help you troll me.  (Don't you?)

TL;DR: he made a bot that copied stuff from wikipedia or something to collect the free BTC, and defrauded coins.

here's an email exchange where he wastes my time.

tspacepilot banned
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JC <traditional.spacepilot@gmail.com>   Fri, Aug 30, 2013 at 8:41 AM
To: admin@glados.cc
Hi admin,

I seem to have been banned from coinchat.  What a shame, I was having such a lovely time.  Can I ask what happened?

--TSpace
gladoscc <admin@glados.cc>   Fri, Aug 30, 2013 at 8:43 AM
To: JC <traditional.spacepilot@gmail.com>

#Spacechat
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JC <traditional.spacepilot@gmail.com>   Fri, Aug 30, 2013 at 8:57 AM
To: gladoscc <admin@glados.cc>
Hi admin,

In #spacechat, I was trying to test out a bot.  What was the problem?

In any case, I enjoyed the site a lot and had a lot of fun chatting with others and playing with moobot.  If you don't want me around anymore, that's ok, I'll get over it.

I guess I might remind you that I asked several times about whether there were any rules I should know about.  You never got back to me on that.  Seems like I've broken some rule or made you angry in some way.

Still not sure what went wrong.

Best,
--TSpace
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gladoscc <admin@glados.cc>   Fri, Aug 30, 2013 at 9:01 AM
To: JC <traditional.spacepilot@gmail.com>
I know you know what the problem is, I'm not interested in BSing, but if you want to come back you'll need to return all the BTC you've withdrawn since you started running the bot.
JC <traditional.spacepilot@gmail.com>   Fri, Aug 30, 2013 at 9:05 AM
To: gladoscc <admin@glados.cc>
Sounds good.  I think here's where I'm confused:

a) I don't know what the rules are
b) You are suggesting that I owe you something

If you can address (a) then I could be sure not to break these rules again.  Without knowing what the rules are it's hard to know that I'm not breaking them.  Without (b) it's hard to know what you think I owe you or how you came to that conclusion.

Can you be more specific about (a) and (b)?

Best,
Tspace
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gladoscc <admin@glados.cc>   Fri, Aug 30, 2013 at 9:11 AM
To: JC <traditional.spacepilot@gmail.com>
a) Bots must be run from a specially designated bot account that does not earn tips.

b) Common sense tells you that the mBTC you've obtained from the bot is fraudulent, and it may also have infringed the copyright of whatever site you copied it from, as you were using it for a commercial purpose.

I'm not interested in wasting my time with BSing with you. You know exactly what you did wrong, and if you play dumb it's the last time I'll be talking to you.
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JC <traditional.spacepilot@gmail.com>   Fri, Aug 30, 2013 at 9:19 AM
To: gladoscc <admin@glados.cc>
Below:

On 08/29/2013 04:11 PM, gladoscc wrote:

    a) Bots must be run from a specially designated bot account that does not
    earn tips.


That sounds fair, it's the first I've heard of it.  Is this the only rule?  Is it posted somewhere?  Is there a list of rules I can read and know about so that if we were to resolve our differences (sounding less likely given your tone) that I could be sure not to make you angry again.


    b) Common sense tells you that the mBTC you've obtained from the bot is
    fraudulent,


I think that "fraud" is defined by juridical/legislative/governmental process, not "common sense".  Seems like you want to accuse me of something, but you won't go ahead and say what it is that you want to say.  Not sure why you're being evasive.

    and it may also have infringed the copyright of whatever site
    you copied it from, as you were using it for a commercial purpose.


I haven't copied anything.  I'm not sure what you mean here.  Several times you and I had conversations about your API and I told you that I was working on a bot.  I'm a relatively good programmer, and I enjoyed learning about node.js and experimenting with robots on your site. Given that I discussed what I was doing with you several times, I'm not sure why you're trying to accuse me of copying or "commercial purposes".  What sort of commerce to you suppose I'm involved in?  I'm not sure where you're going with this.

For all your crytic allegations here, you still haven't talked about how much you think I owe you or how you arrived at that number.  From what I can tell, your site gives out BTC for chatting.  I got some of that BTC and now you want it back.  Please let me know what I'm missing.


    *I'm not interested in wasting my time with BSing with you. You know
    exactly what you did wrong, and if you play dumb it's the last time I'll be
    talking to you.*


Also not interested in wasting time.  Seems like you got angry about something and you don't want to discuss it plainly.  If you change your mind, I'm all ears.  I really did enjoy your site and the community there.

Best,
tspacepilot
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gladoscc <admin@glados.cc>   Fri, Aug 30, 2013 at 9:23 AM
To: JC <traditional.spacepilot@gmail.com>
The site gives you free mBTC for *chatting*, not for bots.

See here for a list of the rules http://glados.cc/coinchat.html

You've withdrawn 213 mBTC (0.213 BTC) after your first withdraw, and that is the amount you need to send back if you would like to be unbanned from coinchat.
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JC <traditional.spacepilot@gmail.com>   Fri, Aug 30, 2013 at 9:30 AM
To: gladoscc <admin@glados.cc>
Thanks this reply is much more to the point :)

On 08/29/2013 04:23 PM, gladoscc wrote:

    The site gives you free mBTC for *chatting*, not for bots.

    See here for a list of the rules http://glados.cc/coinchat.html


I will review these rules.  Thanks!


    You've withdrawn 213 mBTC (0.213 BTC) after your first withdraw, and that
    is the amount you need to send back if you would like to be unbanned from
    coinchat.


Well, I don't believe that's correct, a very small percentage of my chatting was autogenerated and none of it was done with bad intentions.
Secondarily, I only started experimenting with autogenerated chatting over the last week, and I think I've been a member for over a month.

Oh well, it seems my love affair with coinchat was brief and passionate.

Best of luck in your endeavors.  If you ever change your mind...

tspacepilot



    On Fri, Aug 30, 2013 at 9:19 AM, JC <traditional.spacepilot@gmail.com>wrote:

        Below:


        On 08/29/2013 04:11 PM, gladoscc wrote:

            a) Bots must be run from a specially designated bot account that does not
            earn tips.


        That sounds fair, it's the first I've heard of it.  Is this the only rule?
          Is it posted somewhere?  Is there a list of rules I can read and know
        about so that if we were to resolve our differences (sounding less likely
        given your tone) that I could be sure not to make you angry again.



            b) Common sense tells you that the mBTC you've obtained from the bot is
            fraudulent,


        I think that "fraud" is defined by juridical/legislative/**governmental
        [Quoted text hidden]


            On Fri, Aug 30, 2013 at 9:05 AM, JC <traditional.spacepilot@gmail.**com<traditional.spacepilot@gmail.com>

                wrote:


              Sounds good.  I think here's where I'm confused:


                a) I don't know what the rules are
                b) You are suggesting that I owe you something

                If you can address (a) then I could be sure not to break these rules
                again.  Without knowing what the rules are it's hard to know that I'm not
                breaking them.  Without (b) it's hard to know what you think I owe you or
                how you came to that conclusion.

                Can you be more specific about (a) and (b)?

                Best,
                Tspace


                On 08/29/2013 04:01 PM, gladoscc wrote:

                  I know you know what the problem is, I'm not interested in BSing, but if

                    you want to come back you'll need to return all the BTC you've withdrawn
                    since you started running the bot.





JC <traditional.spacepilot@gmail.com>   Fri, Aug 30, 2013 at 1:22 PM
To: gladoscc <admin@glados.cc>
I reviewed the rules.  It certainly would have been helpful to have seen this *before* you banned me.

Also, nice style on that page.  I really like the notepad.

I'd look forward to coming back if you ever want to unban me.

Best,
Tspacepilot

On 08/29/2013 04:23 PM, gladoscc wrote:

    The site gives you free mBTC for *chatting*, not for bots.

    See here for a list of the rules http://glados.cc/coinchat.html

    You've withdrawn 213 mBTC (0.213 BTC) after your first withdraw, and that
    is the amount you need to send back if you would like to be unbanned from
    coinchat.


    On Fri, Aug 30, 2013 at 9:19 AM, JC <traditional.spacepilot@gmail.com>wrote:

        Below:


        On 08/29/2013 04:11 PM, gladoscc wrote:

            a) Bots must be run from a specially designated bot account that does not
            earn tips.


        That sounds fair, it's the first I've heard of it.  Is this the only rule?
          Is it posted somewhere?  Is there a list of rules I can read and know
        about so that if we were to resolve our differences (sounding less likely
        given your tone) that I could be sure not to make you angry again.



            b) Common sense tells you that the mBTC you've obtained from the bot is
            fraudulent,


        I think that "fraud" is defined by juridical/legislative/**governmental
        [Quoted text hidden]


            On Fri, Aug 30, 2013 at 9:05 AM, JC <traditional.spacepilot@gmail.**com<traditional.spacepilot@gmail.com>

                wrote:


              Sounds good.  I think here's where I'm confused:


                a) I don't know what the rules are
                b) You are suggesting that I owe you something

                If you can address (a) then I could be sure not to break these rules
                again.  Without knowing what the rules are it's hard to know that I'm not
                breaking them.  Without (b) it's hard to know what you think I owe you or
                how you came to that conclusion.

                Can you be more specific about (a) and (b)?

                Best,
                Tspace


                On 08/29/2013 04:01 PM, gladoscc wrote:

                  I know you know what the problem is, I'm not interested in BSing, but if

                    you want to come back you'll need to return all the BTC you've withdrawn
                    since you started running the bot.





gladoscc <admin@glados.cc>   Fri, Aug 30, 2013 at 2:02 PM
To: JC <traditional.spacepilot@gmail.com>

Return the BTC if you want to be unbanned.
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JC <traditional.spacepilot@gmail.com>   Fri, Aug 30, 2013 at 2:08 PM
To: gladoscc <admin@glados.cc>
Emailing with you is a little like chatting with a bot.  How do I know this exchange isn't automated.  :)

Cheers!

(gladoscc replies: 'return the BTC or be destroyed!')

Thanks for the info. However his arrogance in the situation allowed me to find a thread where he essentially admitted to scamming you/coinchat. He still denies the allegations and is trying to weasel his way out of being held responsibility however he is now labeled a scammer.

Lol, it's the daily Quickseller/ACCTseller masterbation post!  "his arrogance allowed me to find", I think you mean that I pointed you to the thread where all of this stuff was already made public.  The fun thing that just got revealed above is that you can see how TF asks me to "return" .2 BTC but then later he changes that to .5BTC.  Everything else above is already in that thread I pointed you to.

I also love how QS/ACCTseller believes that his godlike pronouncement of trolling my feedback and echoing what TF said years ago somehow makes me "now labelled as a scammer".  Cute!

TF,
IIRC, I was the largest BTCINVESTer. *After* the alleged hacks, you liquidated BTCINVEST and into coinlenders so that we could withdraw what remained of our investment with you. As you know, we were never able to withdraw from CL, even though there were no further hacks.

Now that you have some money and are doing some shopping (https://blockchain.info/address/1GLadosEkeAsLReqS3yQ51E1R3wVtbJCDF), are you going to return some of our money?

How about an early wedding present and you give me some or all of my 10.68 btc back.  Or...how about you make me a simple video poker website, with no further capital investment from me besides bankroll, as compensation?

Bump ^^

Were you involved in Hashocean?

Ooh, good question, would make the trifecta of his scamming.

Well, I know from my discussions with real Blazr that TF was able to get so many people to trust him with so much money in inputs because he would advertise at sites that newer users are likely to visit, which appears to be the case in this situation as I was not even able to find an OP/ANN thread for hashocean on bitcointalk.

Hashocean is/was also was a cloud mining site, similar to hashie, and a scammer cloud mining operator would need to invest zero money in his scam as he can simply send back a small portion of what he received from his customers each week/money/whenever in order to make him appear legitimate.

There are a couple of other subtile things as well that could point to TF being behind Hashocean.

On the other hand, TF did give a somewhat reasonable explanation as to why he did what he did with hashie -- he somewhat implied that he closed down hashie (via running away with all hashie's customers' funds) on the day that AMHASH's mining equipment was no longer available to the shareholders of AMHASH (and payouts from AMHASH were instead being funded from BTC on hand, including BTC from AMHASH sales), closed hashie because of this, and kept his commissions from AMHASH. I believe that AMHASH made good on the cloud mining that was sold by hashie that was designed to be AMHASH cloud mining. I believe that hashie also sold it's own cloud mining contracts that were not honored and I assume that btc on deposit at hashie was not refunded, so there was actual money stolen as a result of hashie.

Discussions with real blazr also reveal that TF was not planning on opening a new bitcoin related business (eventual scam) and is more interested in etherum. However this was something that was simply told to real blazr and not something that he (nor I) would vouch for. This would also contradict the above circumstantial evidence

>real blazr
Was there a fake blazr?

lol, if you have been paying attention then it should be fairly obvious. I will just leave it at that....

Not joking, haven't been following the drama around here, just noticed TF posting & stopped by. How about a link?

Nope.

Is this (http://www.newsbtc.com/2016/08/21/rekcahxfb-lottery-marriage-proposal/) article accurate?

didnt know this thread existed; please pay 0.4btc to 1MdH5FeZa3oFcMLzbsGEkhmPjxjK1hsvGB

much love