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When you lose interest in a program, your last duty to it is to hand it off to a competent successor.

For the immediate funding needs, can an early GUI be offered to donors for a test-run?

For long-term funding, can the mix-in include a percentage fee to the devs?

And thank you for creating a Troll free zone. If I ever see the name Surplus Bob on here, I'll, I'll...thank him for helping me get discounted Monero  ;D

So, Anon136, don't forget to find a successor when you'll be tired!

For the immediate funding needs, can an early GUI be offered to donors for a test-run?

For long-term funding, can the mix-in include a percentage fee to the devs?

And thank you for creating a Troll free zone. If I ever see the name Surplus Bob on here, I'll, I'll...thank him for helping me get discounted Monero  ;D

Unfortunately, the early GUI is not possible. This is not a puzzle where you can appreciate half of the picture if you only have half of the pieces. When the GUI will be usable, it would be 90% complete.

For immediate funding, donation and MEW membership are useful mechanisms, and encouraging others for this would help also.

https://i.imgur.com/lPPyQjm.jpg?1

Picture is of a Tucker 48. A car that was more advanced than anything being produced in Detroit at the time. The Big Three automakers made sure to use every means possible to make sure there wasn't a Tucker 49. There wasn't.  :-[ Great movie on the subject: Tucker, a Man and His Dream.

same thing happened to MySpace, MilliVanilli, and Boone's Farm.  All great brands unfairly hounded off their pedestal in history.

I will not be deleting posts simply because you have a criticism of monero so long as your posts are tactful, don't contain any logical fallacies, rhetorical trickery or sophism in general...

With that said i want critics to feel welcome here. I will not be deleting posts simply because you have a criticism of monero so long as your posts are tactful, don't contain any logical fallacies, rhetorical trickery or sophism in general and do contain at least one argument of legitimate substance.

Really? I posted a thread thanking the devs and asking them to not respond as much to trolls and it gets deleted here? WTF?

Back to the open thread I guess, won't bother wasting my time here. This is ridiculous.

My post was deleted as well and it was not trolling or fudding.

Well you destroyed a good concept fast! Goodbye Moderated thread.

The emission curve on deletions in this thread needs to be examined, and perhaps adjusted.

I would like to help contribute to this project, and I was wondering is there any other translation projects open than the Monero Client .NET on Transifex?

You are welcome to join. We already translated many languages,you can request your own.

https://www.transifex.com/projects/p/monero-client-net/

I was doing some twitter XMR tweets analysis:

http://i58.tinypic.com/wtydqa.png

Suddenly this strange googlealert thing appeared. I searched in twitter and it leads to this anti XMR troll campaign: https://twitter.com/MoneroAlert (https://twitter.com/MoneroAlert). I reported it as a spam and I suggest you do the same.

Tips are appreciated :)

Can i join to translate in Indonesian language :D

I was doing some twitter XMR tweets analysis:

http://i58.tinypic.com/wtydqa.png

Suddenly this strange googlealert thing appeared. I searched in twitter and it leads to this anti XMR troll campaign: https://twitter.com/MoneroAlert (https://twitter.com/MoneroAlert). I reported it as a spam and I suggest you do the same.

Tips are appreciated :)

Disclaimer:  I don't use Twitter or any other "social media"

I checked your link and it has links to the ANN thread, this thread, a post on reddit with a positive view on the latest "attack", and the Lifeboat Foundation taking Monero for donations. 

There was also a link in reference to Moneero which is one of the names of a person involved with a company in Uruguay.

Maybe I didn't look deeply enough but it doesn't seem like an anti XMR troll campaign to me.


Disclaimer:  I don't use Twitter or any other "social media"

I don't use Twitter either. I saw a lot of links to FUD XMR threads. I checked the link again and it's completely different now.

There is a proposal in the MEW concerning whether we officially expose the instigators

It would be nice if MEW or the core devs set up a Monero wiki, similar to the Bitcoin wiki (https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Main_Page). It's a bit hard for newbies to navigate Bitcointalk to find accurate and up-to-date information, given the level of anti-Monero FUD and trolling.

From anon136:

Yes I will do this. From this point on if its not troll or containing of demonstrably false information it will not be deleted from this thread.

*edit* Also responses to troll or fud posts. If I see something that I just deleted quoted than I'm going to delete that also. The idea behind this policy is that i dont think it makes a terrible amount of sense to delete a fud or troll post and then still have it present in its entirety one post below the one i just deleted. The draw back is that certainly it will result in some entirely well meaning responses being deleted. Interested to know if you guys agree with this policy. These rules are not at all ridged and definitely subject to chance, interested in any constructive feedback. I'm quickly learning just how much harder this job is than one might anticipate.

I noticed that HitBTC already has BTC/EURO and LTC/EURO pairs. Do you think it would be a stretch to add an XMR/EUR pair?

They already have the infrastructure/legal stuff to receive funds in EURO and XMR. So given enough incentive it should be feasible. Am I missing something?

There is one here http://monero.wikia.com/ but it is focused on development. Personally, I find it a shame to "burn" the monero name for development wiki - it should have a greater scheme than that. I don't remember who is the creator of the wiki, but I suggest anyway that we start writing some topics out of dev here. It is always possible to use a "development" category to isolate devving from the rest.

Yes, I think you are missing the fact that those two coins have MUCH greater market cap than XMR.

http://coinmarketcap.com/ (http://coinmarketcap.com/)

From the quiescence of this thread, in contrast to the rapid growth of the free-for-all thread, I feel forced to conclude that people are idiots.

Wait, you're what, 45 to 55?  And you're just concluding that? 

I don't believe you.

(crypto does not deserve to be classified as "investing")

If you are going to make a statement like that than you need to qualify it. Many if not most people on this forum would disagree. If you are going to make an assertion that almost everyone would disagree with than it needs to be accompanied by an argument, else it looks a lot like trolling.

The gambling/investing assertion wasn't necessary for my primary point.  Fear & greed are the two emotional sides of eithe gambling or investing.  I could write a long post explaining my perception of the two but I'm on my phone right now o.0

Having a tough time figuring out what you're saying.  Fear or greed can be good or bad (if that's how you want to look at it).  Fear kept people from making fortunes with bitcoin.  Greed made people lose fortunes.  Depending on timing and a lot of other stuff.

I was just replying to the person who was implying fear was chasing away noobs.   Of course greed and fear are two NATURAL sides of the coin (no pun intended)

My point I guess was just that greed and fear are two opposite emotions in the investment/gambling arena.

I agree with your other stuff about generosity vs greed & fear of missing life experiences vs fear of dying.  Just not sure those are as applicable as investing/gambling

The existence of an XMR/fiat exchange with coverage of EUR and USD in a developed jurisdiction seems very positive to me.  It means that XMR will be less coupled to BTC, and accessible to anyone willing to send funds by bank wire or SEPA.  It may constitute a liquidity event, if interest is high enough.  However, it will not make XMR more usable.  Only DB and GUI work can do that.

I think they need more liquidity soon

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The existence of an XMR/fiat exchange with coverage of EUR and USD in a developed jurisdiction seems very positive to me.  It means that XMR will be less coupled to BTC, and accessible to anyone willing to send funds by bank wire or SEPA.  It may constitute a liquidity event, if interest is high enough.  However, it will not make XMR more usable.  Only DB and GUI work can do that.

Just quoting fluffypony's post so that we may have some context. Maybe the dev's could make a revision if it is in order.

The first two items in the list are the most pressing, IMO. So we have (1) a short term goal of $14 500 for the embedded DB and lets say (2) about $10 000 per month for the code conversion.
How can we achieve number (1) now and how can we plan a steady income for number 2?

Does our community have 1000 people willing to donate 15$ now? Personally I think we will only find out by trying and am with Nekomata regarding the crowdfunding initiative.

Any thoughts?

Without GUI, adoption will remain sluggish. With sluggish adoption, not only will price be pressured, but more importantly - and this is a coin killer - the emission will run its course to the point that XMR will considered to be a "community premine" despite all our good heroic efforts.

Without GUI, adoption will remain sluggish. With sluggish adoption, not only will price be pressured, but more importantly - and this is a coin killer - the emission will run its course to the point that XMR will considered to be a "community premine" despite all our good heroic efforts.

Since changing the emission also can be considered to be a premine of sorts, we are between a rock and a hard place with (yet) no solutions that would have the unanimous support of everybody.

I can also be wrong concerning the future perception of "community premine".

Without GUI, adoption will remain sluggish. With sluggish adoption, not only will price be pressured, but more importantly - and this is a coin killer - the emission will run its course to the point that XMR will considered to be a "community premine" despite all our good heroic efforts.

Since changing the emission also can be considered to be a premine of sorts, we are between a rock and a hard place with (yet) no solutions that would have the unanimous support of everybody.

I can also be wrong concerning the future perception of "community premine".

Without GUI, adoption will remain sluggish. With sluggish adoption, not only will price be pressured, but more importantly - and this is a coin killer - the emission will run its course to the point that XMR will considered to be a "community premine" despite all our good heroic efforts.

Since changing the emission also can be considered to be a premine of sorts, we are between a rock and a hard place with (yet) no solutions that would have the unanimous support of everybody.

I can also be wrong concerning the future perception of "community premine".

Double the total coin supply.  Then change emission curve to something closer to BBR's emission curve?

I'd be on board with that.  Be ready for a price tank.

Could you please explain why this would tank the price?

Without GUI, adoption will remain sluggish. With sluggish adoption, not only will price be pressured, but more importantly - and this is a coin killer - the emission will run its course to the point that XMR will considered to be a "community premine" despite all our good heroic efforts.

Since changing the emission also can be considered to be a premine of sorts, we are between a rock and a hard place with (yet) no solutions that would have the unanimous support of everybody.

I can also be wrong concerning the future perception of "community premine".

but more importantly - and this is a coin killer - the emission will run its course to the point that XMR will considered to be a "community premine" despite all our good heroic efforts

From the quiescence of this thread, in contrast to the rapid growth of the free-for-all thread, I feel forced to conclude that people are idiots.

I vote for a flat emission curve. X monero per block for ever. Though I know no one else would ever support that.

Many people are motivated by fear--and I believe the motivating fear acting here is: if you let trolls rule the unmoderated thread, that new users will be influenced by FUD and the adoption rate won't increase. At least that's why some days, and depending on my anxiety level,  I go to the wasteland instead of relaxing on a nice soft comfy chair.

Fear is the natural opposite side of greed when it comes to investing/gambling (crypto does not deserve to be classified as "investing")

This may be wrong but I think there is a pretty reasonable chance that it isn’t, so this is an important insight I think. Also something I had not thought of myself, so thanks for bringing that up.

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Just willing to restate my points:
- No, I am not advocating changing the total number of coins;
- No, I am not advocating higher inflation;
- Yes, I am advocating that inflation is more evenly spread over time;
- Reason I do this is that fully mined coins have a hard time finding buyers if there are growing coins also available (don't be confused with pumps - that's something that cannot happen with XMR anyway anymore).

Reading my posts in this short thread might be enjoyable and insightful. (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=777213.msg8760326#msg8760326)

How in the world could we ever get enough people on the same page to promote any change to coin release schedule or total emission? 

MEW is the place where it will be discussed. So that we can make sure if the coin owners actually prefer this or that.

The ones who do not believe in the viability of one of the choices, are likely selling their coins anyway. So it's better that a good project continues with the majority (instead of the minority), which also makes us hopeful that a great number (instead of a small number) of new ones will join, leading to increased (instead of decreased) adoption, compared to current situation.

Which side is the majority, I don't yet know. I - as well as many hopefully - has not locked in his own opinion yet.

Any idea what % of coin owners MEW is?  I'd like to be involved - if at least to observe so I suppose I'll join.  Not much of a good ole boys club participant but I'd like to know sooner rather than later the direction the coin decides to take.

How much monero do mew members have to have?

Flat emission curve may also work, who knows?

Just willing to restate my points:
- No, I am not advocating changing the total number of coins;
- No, I am not advocating higher inflation;
- Yes, I am advocating that inflation is more evenly spread over time;
- Reason I do this is that fully mined coins have a hard time finding buyers if there are growing coins also available (don't be confused with pumps - that's something that cannot happen with XMR anyway anymore).

Reading my posts in this short thread might be enjoyable and insightful. (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=777213.msg8760326#msg8760326)

Without GUI, adoption will remain sluggish. With sluggish adoption, not only will price be pressured, but more importantly - and this is a coin killer - the emission will run its course to the point that XMR will considered to be a "community premine" despite all our good heroic efforts.

Since changing the emission also can be considered to be a premine of sorts, we are between a rock and a hard place with (yet) no solutions that would have the unanimous support of everybody.

I can also be wrong concerning the future perception of "community premine".

1st year is 39%, after 4 years it is 86%.

I would much rather see us at <50% for 3-4 years, because a fully mined coin when there is no meaningful adoption (10s of millions of users at least) is likely to be superseded by a fork of the same, which is perceived as "more legitimate" since it is "not premined".

I don't think inflation is "good" but I find it hard to retain legitimacy in the view of the future generations without it. Crypto is not gold. Gold cannot be forked, crypto can. And has. And will.

Flat emission curve may also work, who knows?

The only benefit of a decrease in coins over time is it rewards early adopters.  With a decrease in emissions over time you are not supporting an increase in users.  You are not encouraging the community to grow.  You are actually supporting a decrease in users.  Why do you think most altcoins do this?  After the initial influx of users and the traditional pump and dump, many users leave and very few new users join.  A decrease in emissions relates to this trend.  If you truly believe monero's user base will increase, you should consider increasing emissions with the increase of the user base.

Reversing the emissions curve could help to even out the market over time if adoption increase.  If adoption does not increase, the price could fall with the increase in emissions.  I guess the question here is, how much do you believe in the coin and the increase in adoption?

I know you as one who doesn't drink koolaid.  You make some interesting points.

As to the bolded, I believe the a big reason most coins use this type of emissions curve is because btc does.  As far as benefiting early adopters, that was the point with btc as it was the first of it's kind and an incentive was needed to jump start the process.  I guess it is not needed to the same degree for that purpose now for new "real" coins. 

But how to change from where we are...............................................................

From the quiescence of this thread, in contrast to the rapid growth of the free-for-all thread, I feel forced to conclude that people are idiots.

10 XMR is the minimum fee. This nominally corresponds to 1000 XMR holdings, although you can be much smaller or bigger if you like.

Can you direct me to the thread so I can read without joining? I read only version is fine as well.

(Missive soon?).

Missive is planned for Monday so probably better to take up these issues again after that.

MEW ANN. (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=776479.0)

Thanks! I didn't get that was the thread with the actual content, sorry.

rpietila: I going to setup an Monero related website, will be: mostly text-based, fact-based, HQ content info portal.

I would like to ask you, if I am allowed to use some of your very good writings/postings about Monero on this forum, mostly from your observer thread?
I want to "preserve" this content, type of information, so its on the web and burried in the thread.

Missive is planned for Monday so probably better to take up these issues again after that.

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Here is the short video of the Coins:
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MoneroPool.com is fluctuating close to 50% of the total network hashrate (sometimes goes even above 50%).
Could the devs post here and in the unmoderated thread to urge miners to spread the hashrate around a bit? (It wouldn't hurt to mention cryptonotepool.org.uk as a pool donating 100% of fees to development, and also updated with the latest patch)
I know you have done this many times, but apparently it wasn't enough.

yeah, Monero needs the GUI and db finished, time is running out.

Is there any news regarding Monero and I2p development.   

Monero Monday Missives

October 6th, 2014

Hello, and welcome to our thirteenth Monero Monday Missive! You'll notice a slight change in name - as of today we will be putting out a Missive every Monday. We want to start shifting the Missive from an announcement platform to a "week in review" platform. Traditionally the Missives have been a place for announcements, but all that is about to change.

Major Updates

1. We are happy to announce the launch of the official Monero forum. You can find it at https://forum.monero.cc

   
   Instead of using something existing and off-the-shelf we wrote our own. There were several reasons for this, but the primary reason is that there is functionality we required that simply does not exist in existing forum software. Additionally, the nature of forums has hardly changed in well over 20 years (phpBB was released in 2000, SMF that is used on Bitcointalk was released in 2003). The forum software will be open-sourced and released soon. You will find the following features on the new forum of interest:
   

• A clean, modern, responsive interface that provides a threaded view of posts.
• Support for those that choose to have JavaScript enabled or disabled in their browser.
• Integration into the #bitcoin-otc Web of Trust. Currently this is one-way only, but the OTC WoT will soon start syncing back down.
• In combination with that, GPG authentication that is also used as 2FA. When logging in you can choose how long to remain logged in for, so the level of protection you wish to exercise over your account is up to you.
• The ability to rate users, as with the WoT. Ratings can be from -10 (untrusted) to 10 (trusted). We will also be adding tools to assist in visualising the trust relationships to forum members to assist with and encourage qualitative use of the WoT.
• Posts and comments are weighted, and their position in the forum as well as their visibility is affected by this weighting. The weighting rules are still a work in progress and will mature over time, but they are primarily affected by four things: decrease as it decays over time, increases/decreases as users vote them insightful or irrelevant, and increases/decreases based on votes and child comments from users in your trust group (with influence up to a third level beyond your immediate trust group). The upshot of this is that the posts and comments that are most visible to you, and the order in which posts appear, is unique to you as a user, and depends entirely on your trust relationships. If a post is getting a lot of comments by people that you trust directly or indirectly (trust-of-trust and trust-of-trust-of-trust) you will personally see that post at the top more often than someone else who has no trust relationship with those commenters. We hope that this will, over time, lead to a more personal forum experience, one where troll and shill posts are effectively invisible, and you can focus on the posts and comments most important to you.
• We are in the process of baking the funding system into the forum. You will notice that in the Development category there are 4 special sections: Ideas, Open Tasks, Funding Required, and Work in Progress. The way this will work is that anyone can suggest an idea in the Ideas section, whether it is a Monero feature, a peripheral task, or even something completely unrelated to direct development such as a gathering or conference. Once an idea reaches a level of maturity and community support (commensurate with the complexity of the idea, of course) it will be moved to Open Tasks by the Monero core team. At this juncture, a person, team, group, or even company can pitch to run with the task. Especially if they have not done anything Monero-related previously, they will need to detail why they are best suited to the task, and will need to give some indication as to what the cost will be, even if it is a bit of a thumb-suck. The core team will make a decision as to which candidate/group/team is going to run with the task, and the task will move to Funding Required. At this point the community will be able to fund the effort, with individuals being able to reach status levels and earn badges the more funding they provide. Once funding has exceeded 60% for that task work can begin and the task moves to Work in Progress, with a small stub left in Funding Required until the balance of the funding is met. The person or people working on the task can only request payment at most once a week, and funds will only be released if there is general agreement and observation by the community that the work is being done.
• Posts and comments can contain MarkDown, including links, inline code blocks, multi-line code blocks, bold and italicised text, and inline images.
• Private messaging, forum search, subscriptions, and so on will be added in the near future, but if you have a specific idea please create a post in the "Meta" section of the Monero Forum.

   
2. We are, therefore, going to be closing some of the threads here on Bitcointalk and linking them to the Monero Forum instead. It would be appreciated if all could follow suite, so that we have a single place for discussion and ongoing Monero-related efforts rather than having things spread out all over the place.

3. We have have been working hard in the background on the codebase, and the following additions are available in the source repository:

   

• Major overhaul of the mnemonics system. This includes a brand new English wordlist designed from the ground up to minimise variant differences and to encourage adapting or memorising the list. It also adds an extra word as a checksum, so mnemonic seeds are now 25 words instead of 24. Finally, it adds multi-language support, with initial extra word lists in Japanese, Portuguese, and Spanish. If you would like to assist in creating a word list please get hold of us (by posting on the new forum, for instance!)
• The addition of MoneroPulse, a loosely distributed checkpoint alert system. MoneroPulse will allow us to add both block hash checkpoints and blob hash checkpoints (to defeat attacks like the Block 202612 attack). For ordinary nodes that are checked at least occasionally, the daemon will notify you in angry red letters when your local chain doesn't meet a checkpoint. If you run an unattended node (merchant systems, pools, etc.) you will want to turn on the "--enforce-dns-checkpointing" flag so that these checkpoints are enforced and not merely notified.
• In the event of someone being a nuisance and trying to disrupt the Monero blockchain, we can now also distribute checkpoints in a simple checkpoints.json file that can be dropped into the same folder as your blockchain. The JSON format is quite simple, and we have provided an example in the Dev Diary below. The combination of file and DNS checkpointing will allow us to respond extremely quickly and secure the blockchain in the event of an attack. Of course, these measures are temporary, and once the Monero network is significantly larger and stronger they will be unnecessary.
• There have been a number of minor tweaks and bug fixes.
• Please note that static builds still need to be finalised before we can tag a release, but we hope to have new binaries up shortly.

4. The Monero Research Lab is glad to release a new Research Bulletin, MRL-0003, entitled "Monero is Not That Mysterious". In it, the Monero ring signatures are broken down and analysed both cryptographically and mathematically. In conjunction with that, we are happy to announce the release of MiniNero, a Python implementation of the Monero ring signatures. This is a very basic reimplementation that produces valid ring signatures that are nearly Monero compatible, although slight differences occur due to the hashing and packing algorithms. You can find the MiniNero source code on Github: https://github.com/monero-project/mininero

5. Monero has been added to the Cryptsy voting list, and within a few short days it has shot up to number 2 on the voting list. Thanks to all that have voted and continue to vote!

Dev Diary

Core: file checkpointing. This is in the form of a checkpoints.json file added to the config_folder. This file is checked every 10 minutes, and new checkpoints are always enforced (it is assumed that if an attacker has write access to your config_folder they can just modify your blockchain without needing to do anything else). At its simplest, the file follows this format:

{
  "hashlines": [{
     "hash": "7cb10e29d67e1c069e6e11b17d30b809724255fee2f6868dc14cfc6ed44dfb25",
     "height": 22231
    },{
     "hash": "bbd604d2ba11ba27935e006ed39c9bfdd99b76bf4a50654bc1e1e61217962698",
     "height": 202612
  }]
}

Core: DNS checkpointing. This scans TXT records on the domains checkpoints.moneropulse.net/org/se/co every hour and, unless an enforce flag is set, notifies the user where checkpoints do not match. The records are all DNSSEC secured, although there is still some work to be done to provide cross-platform root trust anchors.

Build: the build system is a little precarious at the moment. We are working hard on improving it so that builds are easier and less problematic. Our focus is always on making sure the that "usual" dynamic build works, and static builds are thus a secondary concern. At this stage, static builds require a bit of massaging that we hope to have sorted out by the next tagged release.

Core: dga has kindly spend some time annotating and documenting the PoW algorithm in code. If you are working with the PoW algorithm you may find his notes in slow_hash.c to be extremely useful and revealing.

Until next week!

- updated by fluffypony

Not even a mention of GUI...  :(

[...] the GUI is coming hopefully by Christmas. [...]

Can a core dev confirm this is indeed the time frame we're looking at?

The missive is weekly, and the GUI is coming hopefully by Christmas. There is no need to mention it in every weekly bulletin unless there is something available for trial use or something :)

Otherwise excellent, very well written summary about the forum! I will have to join soon. My joining is the stress test to any software, because I am naturally dumb, and totally incapable of doing anything lower-level stuff with computers (most higher-level also, but my Excel skills keep me alive year after year). I will come back screaming YIPPEE when the registration has worked fine  ;D

Incidentally, we just started a MEW vote (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=812959.msg9102409#msg9102409) concerning whether to move "our" discussion to a new forum or try to continue discussing here. Since the announcement that a new dedicated forum actually is available, the support from members has moved to support the new forum.

Can a core dev confirm this is indeed the time frame we're looking at?

The missive is weekly, and the GUI is coming hopefully by Christmas. There is no need to mention it in every weekly bulletin unless there is something available for trial use or something :)

Otherwise excellent, very well written summary about the forum! I will have to join soon. My joining is the stress test to any software, because I am naturally dumb, and totally incapable of doing anything lower-level stuff with computers (most higher-level also, but my Excel skills keep me alive year after year). I will come back screaming YIPPEE when the registration has worked fine  ;D

Incidentally, we just started a MEW vote (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=812959.msg9102409#msg9102409) concerning whether to move "our" discussion to a new forum or try to continue discussing here. Since the announcement that a new dedicated forum actually is available, the support from members has moved to support the new forum.

[...] I think it is a bit soon to start moving Monero content away. Just a simple reason: More people are going to discover Monero here. The Crypto field is in its infancy and outside of Bitcoin having it's own forum, I can't think of any other Cryptos that would warrant their own as well. [...]

While I agree that more people are going to discover Monero here, I just don't think that a dedicated Monero forum will take much away from that. The threads here - at least the main ones - will continue to exist and will most likely continue to enjoy significant activity.

The dedicated forum just adds to what already exists, a new location that effectively brings Monero to focus. A location where the Monero community can start taking a stronger shape and take on honest discussions about Monero's direction.

While I agree that more people are going to discover Monero here, I just don't think that a dedicated Monero forum will take much away from that. The threads here - at least the main ones - will continue to exist and will most likely continue to enjoy significant activity.

The dedicated forum just adds to what already exists, a new location that effectively brings Monero to focus. A location where the Monero community can start taking a stronger shape and take on honest discussions about Monero's direction.

It looks like this thread is dying. Maybe it will become active again when monero rallies and the trolls crawl out of the woodworks.

Don't confuse signal:noise ratio with death.
There is a lot happening, not all of it is ready for open discussion.

Monero is not listed in 388 cryptocoins at cryptocoinrank?
http://www.cryptocoinrank.com (http://www.cryptocoinrank.com)

How was Bitcoin being used when its price was about $1? Were there any merchants accepting it back then? What were the first steps in the development of its economy before Silk Road?

Of course history won't repeat itself, but what can Monero learn from Bitcoin's first couple of years?

I was around for single digits but not $1. I remember there being a few merchants. For example alpaca socks and a few VPS providers, and people selling some mining gadgets such as pcie risers. I don't remember much else. For the most part everything was focused on either mining or speculation (MtGox).

I've been reading all about bitcoins the last few nights and I am sold on the idea.

I'm proud to announce that http://www.memorydealers.com will now formally accept bit coins.

We are a decent size company with about 30 employees with expected sales revenue of close to $10M USD for 2011

If anyone needs any networking equipment,  I would be happy to help,  and I will accept payment in bit coins.
(Cisco, 3com, Foundry, Juniper, etc.  We specialize in transceivers such as GBIC, SFP+, X2, XFP etc)

If anyone has any experience implementing bitcoin into a normal website shopping cart,  please contact me.
I will have a bitcoin advertising banner on my website after our next website update.  (about 2 more weeks)

If you guys are happy with my efforts,  please feel free to send a few bitcoins my way.

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Please let me know if you have any other thoughts or ideas on how I can help bitcoin grow along with my own business.


Roger Ver