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Last weekend I discovered moneypot was closing its doors and the owner was selling the site. It was one of my current favorite bitcoin games, I was already starting to get a little addicted to the game. ;)

One thing where I always thought the game could be improved a lot was design, and let it be the case that this is one of my strong suits. So when I heard that Eric was selling, I decided to take matters in my own hands and recreate this amazing game in the design I thought it always deserved.
After working on it for the last couple of days almost non-stop, I am proud to present to you the first version of ToTheMoon.is (http://tothemoon.is)!

ToTheMoon.is is moneypot in space. Instead of chasing a graph, you are on a rocket on its way to the moon.

Please do try it out, I hope you guys like the end result as much as I do.

http://tothemoon.is (http://tothemoon.is)

(Exclusive Trailer: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aSPbwXUq9vM)

Just as addictive as the other one but looks much nicer. I love that you get bits to play with to try out the site. One thing though, it says you get 5 but I ended up with 2.

Site seems to be down for me?

Fixing the faucet from 2 to 5 atm, redeploying!

Cool - will check back soon :)

moneypot is still a very good site. Your site doesn't open.

Awesome, thanks it means a lot coming from the inventor! I thought you were also closing it down.
I would love to work together at some point for sure!

What do you mean does not open? Do you have any errors?

not loading for me. i want to see what it looks like

Lol URL in the OP was wrong, fixed! :) sorry

looks really cool. I think dmf was working on something like this.


I think your site is going to do very well.

It never reaches the moon. It should reach the moon when it forces the players to cash out.

Also, how does it crash it space? Maybe it blows up is a better term. You can't crash, unless some asteroid got in the way.

very funny game but i like it :)

yes very nice designed - Chapeau - but there is a lot more possible IMO

as I am not a coder  :( I will need to find a coder or  a script seller

gl

out of your faq

What is the most I can bet?
We currently have a bet limit of 1,000,000 bits (1 BTC)!

is this limit for one player or all together in one running game?

The other important thing to keep in mind is that every game has a 1 % chance of instantly crashing. We do not make any money on it, but rather use this to fund the bonus scheme.

if I bet 1 btc and I lose it because of instant crash? please explain ELI5 what will happen with this 1 btc?

thanks

Very good ui, better than moneypot altough it's fork

And that he is an admin

Have to say I enjoyed it a lot.

Great idea! I will definitely look into a way to make the rocket reach the moon when max profit is reached.

You definitely have a point with the crashing term, didn't really think about it like that, what about "Rocket exploded" or "Rocket blew up"

Most you can bet atm is 1 BTC per player individually, max profit per round is 2 BTC.

When you cash out as the last player in a round, you will receive a bonus amount on top as a reward for your longevity. The bonus equals 1% of all players bets. The exact amount you get of that bonus pot depends on the size of your bet. If you bet very little, you will get a smaller amount of the bonus pot, and the rest will be divided to the 2nd, 3th, 4th, etc... players who managed to cash out, until the whole bonus is distributed completely.

who gets my bet of 1 btc in case of instant crash? the op or the jackpot?

There have been some questions/doubts about our solvency in the chat. Here I have signed this address 1M5kj7JCyd2KiWCbgMkvyAjuzC173nEgsg (https://blockchain.info/address/1M5kj7JCyd2KiWCbgMkvyAjuzC173nEgsg) with 100 BTC on it, saying "These funds belong to the owner of ToTheMoon.is"

IFQ8gFMd4GzGlNDKI66lMXRvD6iZxot2MWJaBMAISRMZ8zRDrekKSfl+z194dRV9f28OlDvX2i7gt97OtZ5psB4=

That's all I can really do at this point, for the rest I can only say please withdraw at will.

Yeah, have some debris floating, and getting bigger and bigger then BOOM! and explosion. Rocket has hit the space station. Rocket has hit asteroid. Rocket get zapped by aliens. And of course, accompanying graphics and sounds.

Here's an address if you think that helps: 19zqu3ZiMSTSwx8G4W6y6PZipYW3EeqKCX

the graphic is better than moneypot
Hope this is not a 100% copy from moneypot


Well this is must be investigate more since moneypot provide open source code
and somebody will try to copy it

How much is 1 bit worth?

1 bit worth for 100 satoshi

Would be could if the rocket reached the moon and the moon was a "jackpot" ;)

Likewise, boycotting them from my part.

You are right, I have read it wrong. I stand corrected. It's a bit weird because the FAQ on http://www.gnu.org/licenses/agpl-3.0.html doesn't really belong to the license at all.
 

you have a nice idea...........but why did you make it open source?

I have deep respect for your contribution, and I am considering it. For now I'm holding of since you're selling it yourself and I'm very uncertain about the new owners. Please allow me this time (it's not even 24 hours online yet).

I rewrote the whole deposit/withdrawal system. The reason for this is that Moneypot uses Coinbase for that, which is a huge liability, I'm not sure if people are aware but Coinbase is actively banning not only gambling sites, but Coinbase customer accounts that are found directly associated with those (cfr. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=747596.0).

So not only are the funds on moneypot's hot wallet stored as unsafe as it gets, players Coinbase accounts become an indirect liability as well. You can not deny that it's completely irresponsible towards your players right now the way it's setup.

I would not run a site that I was not competent enough to maintain, so while assistance is always welcomed and I would love to work together, it's not a necessity for the health of this site.
Talking about security vulnerabilities, I would suggest however that you remove your SSL key from your open source github (https://github.com/moneypot/webserver/blob/master/key.pem).

As a last note, before pinning me on illegitimacy, please don't forget we are talking about a Bitcoin gambling game here, we both went down the path of illegitimacy the moment we put our site online. I signed an address with 100 BTC on it, as proof of solvency, besides that I can only invite you to play and withdraw.

I say competition is good, for both me, the new owners of moneypot (whoever they may be) and above all the players. And let me say once more that I haven't ruled out open sourcing the site or parts of it.

Cringe.

OP immediately abandons the few qualities that matter in this scene: trust and character.

Maybe your CSS modifications will make up for it. ::)

You don't get to decide whether to "open source" it or not. The project is already open sourced. You get to either share your changes or be in violation of the license you accepted by using the code.

I've left you negative trust linked to this post, and will remove it if you take steps to comply with the code's license.

RIP ToTheMoon.is

I had to google it:

 ;D Yes You have all my respect!

Which is sad, considering he did make the game look very slick.

Yes, it looks good.

But if you can't trust him to follow the terms of the license, how can you trust him with your bitcoins?

Maybe one day he'll be "considering" whether to let you withdraw them or not. It hasn't even been 24 hours yet, and maybe he's going to decide not to steal them, just give him time to decide...

I thought anglophone Canadians get at least basic french in school. Oh wait, or are you not really Canadian?

he really made a good job. but IMHO he is stupid not to comply with the code's license

They do, but no, I'm not Canadian. I studied 3 years of French in school, and could probably have told you that 'chapeau' meant 'hat' if forced to guess, but even then I wouldn't have made the leap to the lifting of the hat as a sign of respect. I was thinking it was more likely a typo.

Guys I've hear you, it is clear that making it open source is the thing to do. I am not on github to develop this and truth is I never read the license. I hear Eric was selling so I figure that it was acceptable to re-build it with added improvements since it was open-source. I downloaded it and started working.

So when I launched last night I didn't think at all about this and was just excited to have launched it. But I never meant to be portrayed as a thief, I thought I love this game, this is open-source and this can be improved a lot, so lets do it!

Then this license accusation came up which I was totally not prepared for. I want to research this more and figure out how this works, I have never contributed to open-source before this point, only used it.
I felt attacked and injust as I put a lot of work in this redesign, I understand also Eric felt attacked and injust by me cause he put even more work into it and i didnt have the license. I did not mean any harm but only wanting to create something nice on top of his concept, i wouldnt even have done it if he didnt sell. From his code its clear that you're a good developer (just dont use coinbase)

So I checked the last hour about this and I can't do nothing but agree with everyone who asked to open-source this, as everyone who said it was in the license was right, but please regard that i never said anyone of you was wrong, i am just not used to it.

So without further ado, here is the link for anyone interested to download tothemoon: https://mega.co.nz/#!1wcETIzR!3uSNulBm2ryM--oQqYFhCijWondvj4ZKb3Pf5cNgV7E
I will keep this up to date when new changes are made

I release it under the same license as Moneypot: http://www.gnu.org/licenses/agpl-3.0.html

Thanks Eric, i will put it in the faq soon together with the license and will also add SSL to the site soon.

I'm quite sure ToTheMoon will be go to to the moon after your this right move.

You don't get to make it open source. It was already open source when you got it, and you can't "un-open source" it.

You also don't get to choose how to license it. The existing license tells you that your fork is under the same license as the original.

Incidentally, it's well worth learning how to use some kind of source control. git is a good one to use, and github is a decent place to host your git repository. Having to upload the whole thing to mega each time you make any change to the site will get tiresome very quickly. git allows you to upload just the changes, automatically, and keep the same URL.

I am familiar with git, but I can say im not a fan of github, but i can look at others for this purpose.

Yes im sorry that is my intend, same license.

When it"s back

Nice graph do you have. :)
But This site must be copy from moneypot (since OP get red trust from dooglus)

This is bad for your bussiness,
Need something that provide this site is not copied from moneypot

Good luck for you

i hope he removes this since i think i dont break any license rules anymore, i didnt have it open source and should have

what a difference day and night, affiliate program would be cool on this site

Where's the link to the source code? I can't find it.

https://mega.co.nz/#!1wcETIzR!3uSNulBm2ryM--oQqYFhCijWondvj4ZKb3Pf5cNgV7E  = http://tothemoon.is

https://github.com/moneypot/webserver = moneypot

I have downloaded it in a sandbox environment and it appears to be legit. I could put it on GitHub if you want? Or BitBucket.

edit: It seems you have seen the Mega link before. He is allowed to release the code in anyway he want, since the Mega link contains his source code I think his negative trust should be removed. Even though Mega is not the most friendly way to do so.

edit2: I got the source up and running

https://i.imgur.com/fq9lQUU.png

I saw the Mega link in this thread, but not on his site.

From the license:

I'm not a lawyer so I'm not sure if that means he should link the source code on the website itself. He technically does offer to access the Corresponding Source by posting a Mega link here.

I'll keep my distance on this regarding the license, I still believe this was an honest mistake.

The modified version must prominently offer its source code to all users interacting with it. Not all users reading a particular thread on a particular forum.

I'm willing to believe he didn't understand the license he was agreeing to. But now that it has been brought to his attention, that's not really an excuse for continuing to fail to comply with it.

Or sig campaign.. Is there any opening right now?

To be honest, the graphics is a lot better than the original Moneypot.

What you need to do now is listen to dooglus' advice to add the mega link on your site (probably in FAQ), get rid of doog's negative feedback and advertise your site everywhere. :)

We finally had some big winners, Player Newportz withdrew 3 BTC yesterday night, congrats!

http://tothemoon.is/user/Newportz

and the first, you will see big win

just wait for the ending...

The website looks good, and the code is out... Things are looking good!

Same like moneypot,but this game have a good graphic

Hey dooglus i want to say I am putting it in the faq in next deploy like you say

We had another big winner; BBmoonBB

http://tothemoon.is/user/BBmoonBB won around 11 BTC today, nice work!

He also is now rank 1 on our leaderboard http://tothemoon.is/leaderboard

gross profit looks nice but doesnt give the real picture

Passwords are still being sent in the clear and there is still no link to the source code on the site.

yes thats much better but to be frank a winner only leader board would be nicer IMO. I would not like people to see my losses

just my 2 satoshis

aka AKCOINMINER aka JOEMATTIE aka known shill !   ::)  *now we know who helped scam the bitcoin community!

it's the same guy who helped steal the coins on dice.ninja!   :\   now he's using BBmoonBB ..are you for real?

I just deployed and put it in faq http://tothemoon.is/faq

Btw, thank you everyone for trying tothemoon! At the moment already 763.26540600 BTC have been wagered. So far we payout around 40 BTC to winners which is really nice for them.

it's a scam  8)  fake volume via JoeMattie

You put it under the "investing" section when it is nothing to do with investing.
It isn't clickable.
It appears split over two lines.

Would you say this was prominently displayed? It's as if you are going out of your way to make it difficult for people to find it.

Finally, the file at the URL you give doesn't match what is live on the site. You are meant to provide source for the current version, not an old version.


Is there some reason you won't just comply with the license?

It's under investing by accident i just put it at the bottom.
I will make it clickable and i will add the patch where I added the license in the FAQ to the download.

You are a hard ass you know that

You are attempting to profit from the use of someone else's code that they generously shared with you on the condition that you share your modifications with others.

You haven't been following the conditions that you agreed to by using that code.

I'm just asking that you do so.

It could be considered to be a dick move by me to hold a negative trust rating of you over your head to encourage you to comply, but Eric (the code's author) tried asking you nicely and that didn't work.

I like that someone is holding his feet to the fire to comply with the license, but why isn't Eric the one doing so? Does he not care enough to pursue it or has he asked you to do it?

Also, it seems if you (moonguy) are going to just take someone's code, complying with the license should be a pretty simple task. You're trying to profit off someone else's work, and he seems he's pretty OK with that, considering he did all the work. The concept and the code is not yours, you made some superficial changes to the look, and now you're making money on it. It's just decent to comply with the license that made it all possible.

He didn't ask me to do it, although he did tell me that the moon guy was being a dick about complying with the license. Then I saw the post here where he was saying he would "consider" doing what's right, and decided to encourage him to do so. For some reason that I don't fully understand, when I leave negative feedback for people they get a red mark next to all their posts. That isn't the case for most people, so I do have somewhat of an unfair advantage.

The layout is great ...i love this site :)

hi eric !  8)

Eric already pointed out that OP needs to comply with the license. It was simply ignored. Eric posted again to rescind his support for this project until OP complied with his license. OP responded with (my words) "we're both in a field that's full of scummy actors, so what did you expect? Despite what the license says, I'll open-source it only if I feel like it" (link (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=825009.msg9224995#msg9224995)).

Unfortunately for OP, problems don't go away just because the other party can't be fucked to babysit you on an internet message board.

Thankfully, this community has Dooglus — sleepless watchman, crusader of justice — who has a long history of contributing his time to expose dishonest actors. That's one of the reasons he's laden with trust-clout which was used to annihilate OP's trust-rating and spur him into [slow, begrudging] action.

I would try your site, but you are newbie with negative reputation :(

I thought this had a happy ending a few days ago?



 

So it's a scam? Not too surprised, go to moneypot instead.

Come here (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=3420) and say that! ;)

Edit: or here (http://bitcoin-otc.com/viewratingdetail.php?nick=dooglus), of course.

calm down, i'm checking it out right now !  ~ going to find out who is running this site !  ;)

http://weknowmemes.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/bitch-please-i-got-this.jpg

Nobody is saying it's a scam.

It's just a shame the OP just has a hard time putting the code on a reasonable source control site like GitHub and put a visible link somewhere to comply with the license.

He could have done that days ago, would have taken him 5 minutes and all the drama would have never happened.

who win and withdraw ?

~ most likely the same crew behind this site as moneypot ! ? :\ hmmm

So is this legit or not? Moneypot rip off?

I heard this guy just copied moneypot's code for his site. Douche.

Which is perfectly fine, even encouraged. The problem is that the license is not being complied with, i.e. ToTheMoon.is's source code is not made available to visitors of the site in a prominent location.

Exactly, the source code is released by espringe under AGPLv3, in which you can find the details in http://www.gnu.org/licenses/agpl-3.0.html

Not saying this site is a scam, but one day while I was on dice.ninja, the owner mentioned in the chat that he was working on some nicer graphics for a moneypot clone and posted a prelimiary sketchup of a rocket.  Again, this is 100% speculative and I don't have much of a reputation here, but thought it might be of interest to know.

yes that are trying really hard to make it look like it's different people...my word does it not look like the person who ran dice.ninja!  :o  AKCOIMINER(JOEMATTIE) WAS ON THERE PRETENDING TO BE ME!!!!!!
  ::)

How does moneypot work i dont get it?

it's a scam Chris Moore is at it again!  ::)

I saw that too.

Just to clarify, you mean the owner of dice.ninja, dmf. He posted a rocket animation.

It was quite a lot more complex than the one on tothemoon - the rocket accelerated, rotated, blurred, etc. using WebGL animation (like his "fancy bets" stuff) whereas tothemoon appears to be simple CSS3 animation - the rocket never moves, the starfield is a constant diagonal scroll, etc.

I thought I downloaded it and viewed the source code, and remember being impressed by it, but now I can't find it. Maybe I just did a right-click -> view-source in the browser rather than saving it to disk. I think it was hosted on d.n so now it's gone. :(

it's all the same people why who acting the fool? ..you caught up here in your own lies!  ;)

http://tothemoon.is/faq

well sounds like we are getting closer ... if this turns out to be the same owners as dice.ninja(dmf/JoeMattie?)

...that would make sense.... lets pull the website information!!!! ;-)

I am allowed to copy it, so I decided to give it my own theme that I always envisioned. Ok this created competition and that's never fun but that doesn't mean you should keep bashing me in the topic, i have never even posted in moneypot chat or topic leave alone try to advertise to any of your players.

Only thing I failed when launched was when I didn't read the license, it took me less then 24 hours to comply. You guys kept pushing  until it was good enough displayed and i do comply every time to improve to what you want.
For the record I updated the faq here: http://tothemoon.is/faq and I even added a question that doesn't need to be there.

Now you start bashing me for being from dice.ninja
Tothemoon has nothing to do with dice.ninja. I don't know how to do WebGL anyway.

Btw;
I signed an address with 100 BTC so I thought I get some reputation. Nobody seems to give a shit.
I processed already over 60 BTC withdraws, nobody gives a shit either. Site started down 40 BTC to few guys and I payed it. This is a lot of money guys.
I didnt put the source in a href tag; let's burn this guy down.

If the replies keep like this, I will simple stop the site. I have a job and life guys.

nice one buddy ! ~ send me the 1BTC you owe me for spamming with my name ! We are checking all your website and i.p. info ...looks like you are linked to dice.ninja crew! :\

Tothemoonguy, it's just the troll, you can safely ignore him. The ones you should consult and discuss this would be dooglus and espringe.

Nobody is bashing you. I am just trying to get you to comply with the license.

That BBmmBB guy is an asshole. Nothing he says is true. His brain doesn't work properly. Everything is a conspiracy to his eyes. It's best to click 'ignore' and stop reading what he writes. It saves a lot of time and you don't miss any useful information, trust me.


I just checked it. It the link takes me to a page that has this on it:

https://i.imgur.com/VJraVkA.png

That's the moneypot source, not your modified version. You are meant to link to your modified version.


BB thinks that everyone running a dice site is the same person. But he's fucked in the head and everyone ignores him. You should do the same.


I don't mean to be a "hardass". Just link your site to the site's code. That's all you need to do. :)

https://www.lnnte-dncl.gc.ca/plt-cmp-eng ------->Chris "dooglus" Moore needs some special attention.
they are like : hey man ,,,the more phone calls will make sure it's provably fair  ;) lolz

You are allowed to do what you want with the code within the terms of the licence.

This is something you didn't do originally, hence the problem in the first place.


If competition was an issue the code would never have been released OSS.


FIFY

You also acted like a complete dick when informed about the licence.


If only you had done this originally you wouldn't be in the mess you're currently in.


He's trolling you.


No one cares because you don't care.

Or to put it more succinctly, you didn't care enough about your business/website to even read the licence let alone comply with it, but you expect others to care that you have a gambling site?


No one cares.

But what you should be doing is learning from this. You fucked up, you got burned (slightly) by your own ego and stubbornness. Painful, yep. Valuable, extremely.

I couldn't have said it better myself.

Also, I'm going to remove my negative trust, since you do seem to now be complying with the terms of the license, Mr. ToTheMoon.

The trust comment said:

dmf show me that game too. it was on a diffrent server. i remember him telling to chat site so would could talk. he gave me serveraddress.but i didnt save it. do you still have that address?

i might have taken a screenshot but i have to go thur 1,000 of them. will update info if i find it

Thank you, appreciate it.

tothemoon.is bot responding -_-

what happend to the site?

I don't seem to find any problem on the site or the autobet bot. Could you be more specific on the problem you have?

the site is down or just me ?
i cant open the site now

Edit: now it work fine :D

sorry wrong klik i mean not responded but it`s ok now :)

ToTheMoon seems to have grown a lot since I last used it :)
kudos to you man!

Is there any promotion for this site?
I see huge potential to reach out the market better than moneypot.

Yes, Just like free giveway or signature campaign just like money pot did.

They actually offer 5 bits which is more than moneypot. They might want to consider a signature campaign.

I thought the site is a scam? Something like copied the script from Moneypot?

Moneypot is open source. Anyone can make a copy of it and run their own clone, so long as they make their modifications available under the same license.

That doesn't mean it's not a scam, but it's not a scam *because* it's a clone of moneypot.

i saw a pic of players profiles somewhere when site came out and it showed user #1 dmh



was thst a joke someone photoshop?


pretty funny

No, it was real.

http://tothemoon.is/game/39 used to show a player called "dmh" playing. I didn't screenshot it, but I saw and commented on it:

Chat log from Oct 15th:


Now, mysteriously, it has been changed to "git" - the version control system the site was "encouraged" to use quite a while after game 39 was played...

https://i.imgur.com/lCXHpvj.png

you know, more that I think about it(those goes that headache again)


that could be dmf and this is his site. this could be his next gig. watch site taking investments soon.



I always thought dmf was VERY smart and he probably knows how to get away with scamming.. so far no one can get any info on this guy

I know moneypot will soon start taking investments, and will make the new code open source. I guess that in turn means that tothemoon will also be able to take investments with very little work.

Yeah, it could be anyone's, really. We don't have anything to go on as far as I can see.

Now this is an interesting development, detective dooglus is on top of it!

I will keep a close watch on this thread as i have never really trusted tothemoon myself.

yes detective dooglus is on the case.





had a little help from sheriff omahapoker

So whats the concensus on this site? Safe or scam?

Whats the big deal with dmf?

dmf is the best scammer so far in this industry

I doubt there is one. They removed the /stats page from the moneypot source, so we can't see how much they've won or lost. I've seen nothing much of people complaining about any trouble with the site. Some players complain that it feels like the random numbers have been tampered with to make it harder to win, but I wouldn't give that much credence. Maybe it's legit; who knows.


dmf and toad ran dice.ninja and a couple of altcoin sites (one using jackpotcoin, and one litecoin? I'm guessing), all of which recently vanished without a trace taking a couple of thousand of other people's BTC with them.

See https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=745422 for a horribly ugly thread in which we completely fail to track him down but do manage to dox two different people, at least one of whom is presumably completely innocent.

Holy shit, I wish I didnt ask. I am going to be up all night reading this crazyness.

Really sucks, didnt dice ninja have some dealings with moneypot also?

chatting with dmf everyday and remember the first night dmf gambled at moneypot and he loved it.


we chatted the whole time and afterwards i asked him if he could make this game for ninja or start a new site.


he said of course and told me he would start the project tomorrow.


over course of next 3 weeks i bought it up a few times and one day he said i spend more than a day (no sleep) on moneypot 2.0



i came up with moneypot 2.0 name. I mention this cuz he had to do more than just make a anitmated rocketship he showed everyone.





P.S. i dont think tothemoon site is dmf. but it could be


and if not then look out in the next 3 months for any new site with a game like this

Someone, I think elm, said we should have a Provably Fair Police. I replied, I will be the first Director-General.

yes I still think that would be very helpful for the masses of btc players. for example each btc casino should be checked if they are provably fair by the Provably fair police (PFP). those casinos should pay a fee to the PFP and will have an icon on their site that will show that they are checked and accredited by the PFP.
now players can feel secure to play on those sites and players should stay away from sites not checked and accredited by the PFP.

and in case a player has lost and thinks he was cheated and lost  a lot of coins the PFP maybe can check his claims but the player will need to the PFP for their work.

just my 2 satoshis and just an idea and invite other users here to make it perfect if possible

As long as the site doesn't start accepting investments and is provably fair, I think the chances of another scam happening are less. And, people shouldn't keep much money on these sites in their accounts.

Hi guys to rest assured, I have no intention to start taking investments, I have a job and the last thing i want is to deal in hundreds of players BTC.

First admin account was called dmh just randomly, I dont know anything about dice ninja but people panicked about the name so I changed the name.

As if that should prevent us from seeing their profit :D:D  ~18.35 BTC as of game #48983.

Here is a chart:
https://i.imgur.com/1P8c5cZ.png (https://i.imgur.com/1P8c5cZ.png)

That's funny. Thanks, mysterious obsessive data collector! ;)

Can you recreate most of a /stats report from your data too?

Well I can't say anything about deposits/withdraws. Here's what the /stats page would say about the bet statistics as of game #49803 without
the unterminated games 3, 5, 100, 20961, 21198, 22419 and 49804:

So the players have won 1309 from the 1341 they wagered, meaning they lost 31.37771416, which is 2.34% of the amount they wagered.

The house edge is between 0 and 1%, it's 0.5% at 2x and most players tend to play lower than that. There's another 1% expected loss to the bonus scheme, so ignoring bonuses the house is taking 1.34% from players instead of the expected 0.5%. The house is doing around 2.5 times better than expected.

I wonder if that's why they hide their stats.

Have you done any analysis of the relative frequency of their crash points?

I hide stats cause I never understand why Moneypot showed them in the 1st place. I don't know any site that isnt an investor site that shows you revenue. In place I decided to show a few non-revenue stats on the homepage.

Bank is atm up less then 18 BTC, the winnings i think are mostly from a 1-2 players who played very high stakes on the 1st day (same guy that was up almost 50 BTC). Everyone always got payed, at some point I moved close to 40 BTC to hot wallet to process the big player cash out.

I guess it's about transparency, and gaining trust. You publish details of every game anyway, so everyone can see your revenue by adding up the stats for all games. That's presumably how this profit chart (https://i.imgur.com/1P8c5cZ.png) for your site was made.

Why wouldn't you show stats to players? It can help them feel good about your site when they see that your profit roughly matches your expected profit.

The chart (linked above) closely matches your description of the site profit. 18k profit on a 1.3k turnover, with a theoretical house edge of around 0.5%. It's not incredibly unreasonable that you've been so lucky.

yeah plus if we can see everyone stats then we know there no shnangans(spell-check) is going on...

I really doubt this is going to end well.

My prediction is this site will either turn out to be a scam or the owners stubbornness and egotism with kill it.

If I was going to bet, I would say both is the most likely outcome.

Due the constant bad decisions made by the owner the site will suffer a loss of trust which in turn leads to a decline in profits. Seeing this, the owner freaks out because he's not making "mad scrilla yo!" like he was before and then he yanks the plug.

But only time will tell and I hope I'm wrong.


Have you learned nothing from the OSS debacle? It's only been about a week since that fiasco.

Essentially everything you've said regarding the OSS and now the stats is "My site, fuck you!"

What boggles my mind is why you continually make decisions that give people the impression that you don't care instead of building a site that people can trust by being open, upfront and honest.

People want to play on sites that they can trust, so be open about your dealings with them and its a win win.

It's not rocket science!

Yes I have plotted the historic crashpoint distribution against the expected one based on 51938 games:

https://i.imgur.com/n9jn5u5.png (https://i.imgur.com/n9jn5u5.png)


which looks good to me. In comparison this is the chart for MoneyPot based on 279177 games (in reality it's this one (https://i.imgur.com/yX6zZnk.png), but I've rebalanced the 0x and 1x crashes):

https://i.imgur.com/seZ6PDp.png (https://i.imgur.com/seZ6PDp.png)

I don't remember if the red line is the one for 1 in 100 or 1 in 101 chance of a 0x. I'm going to add generation of these and maybe some more charts to Shiba or play with amcharts when I find the time.

That's very cool.

I suppose you're also automatically verifying that the hash published before betting starts matches the crashpoint?

If so, the only remaining way they could be cheating would be to predict the betting level per round, and chose lower crash points during busy times then balance it out with higher crash points when less action is happening. That's something that the coming provably fair system will address.

It's looking like the site really was just lucky I guess. Is that the conclusion you reached too?

dooglus, tell me when to bet there and i'll give you 60% profit 8)

Good job on those graphs blockage. Thanks for compiling that information for us.

Problem with this system is that the people being "regulated" are paying the "regulator" to give them a clean bill of health. Obvious conflict of interest.

And tip of the hat to blockage for those graphs and stats. Really well done mate!

Yes, I started verifying at game #4888, that's a couple of hours after it was posted here on the forum. I also told josua on the chat that I would be doing this. Of the 53215 games so far I verified 47727 and they all check out. So I missed 600 games which is due to disconnects and/or unicode problems in socket.io-1.0.6.
 

If the owners decide to update their code ;)


Yes, nothing looks fishy from my point of view. However, a provably fair system would address trust issues better than checking the crashpoint distribution.

You certainly seem to be an expert on cheating! ;)

Good point though - all of those four would work even with provably fair crash point selection.

isn't that the same as Simulated lag?

House whale would be pretty noticable after investments start pouring in and the auto-cashout limit is higher.

Thats something impossible to detect, and investors have to understand the risks of that while investing.

Just seems like there is no reason to offer investments on a site like this. Both of these sites are already running fine without it, and doing so would essentially be sharing profits by the site owner. In the case of MoneyPot, didn't the site just sell for 100 btc? And now the rumor is the site will take investments, which will further delay the amount of time it takes for the new owner to recoup the cost he's already put into the site. So any attempt to offer investments should be viewed with a very skeptical eye. We've all seen enough sites go down to question the motives of anyone offering to profit-share on their site at this point. It definitely won't be for me, but you all make up your own mind, and for the love of god, be careful. We've all learned by now there is no recourse when someone steals your coins: EveryDice, Dicebitco.in, and DiceNinja thieves all got away with it.

Whales are detectable, but naturally occurring whales and house whales presumably look exactly the same.


Moneypot isn't doing fine really. As I understand it Eric was running far too high a risk offering 2 BTC max profit per round. Even with his unofficial investors we were still risking far too much to be safe. When you bear in mind that the average house edge is 0.5%, and to be relatively safe you need to only be risking around half that percentage of your bankroll per round, in order to safely offer 2 BTC per round you need 2 BTC to be 0.25% of your bankroll. Or in other words you need a bankroll of 800 BTC. Eric told me he had around 70 BTC when he launched the site, and so it's clear he was playing a very risky game with his savings.


That's not necessarily the case. Taking investments means the site can offer bigger max profits, bringing in bigger players, more attention, and bigger profits. That's the idea anyway. It's quite possible that the profit pie grows enough that even though he's sharing it, he still gets more than he would if he had no investors. And the variance will be less too.


That's always worth bearing in mind, whenever you send your coins to a site.

I sent 20 BTC to bitdice.me a while back, turned it into 21.x and tried to withdraw it. 14 hours later I still didn't have my coins, and was starting to fear that yet another investment dice site had turned into a scam. I eventually got my coins, but it made me realise that when you're playing dice, you don't just have to beat the 1% house edge, you also have to beat the X% chance that the site refuses to return your balance when you ask them to. I haven't deposited to anywhere but moneypot since then, and even then it has only been relatively small amounts.

will you pipe down, I'm trying to learn from the best >:(

I personally think the owner will be the demise for this site. I am pretty much sure this guy isn't dmf but you can never be 100% This guy just does not seem smart enough to run a site like this and it to not go down hill quickly when shit happens. I mean look at the un-terminated games, and his laziness to show transparency. He also doesn't carry himself as professionally as lets say Eric or Ryan.

I just don't see a reason to play here, when you have a longer established and semi-well trusted site already. The risk seems silly to me but maybe there is something I'm missing.

your right dmf would be way more professional than this guy

Yeah there's really no reason to use this site, maybe new users will see the advertisement for this site before they see the one for moneypot though and try this site out.

Imagine you know nothing about either site and stumble upon them both.

Which one looks better? Which one looks professional, solid, etc...

In my opinion tothemoon is way ahead of moneypot in terms of design, and to any newcomer I'm sure it is the one they would feel safest with. It's only when you learn about the history of the two sites that the picture becomes clearer.

Ok guys I started this site because I liked the idea so much and decided to just do it and launch it.

Since the start there was nothing but negative things about Tothemoon, is it a scam, is it a cheat and of course did he steal it. I really didn't mean to do anything wrong, I did made the mistake of not open-sourcing it at the launch like the license told. I always payed out all withdrawals. But this doesnt matter of course.
Now my job has also interferes with this project, and I have to choose.

So I decide to close the site. Thanks all who played and tried the site anyway.
Please withdraw all your bitcoin of course.

Too much red flag summarized by a pro. Be careful.

yep, this is dmf.

Mistake? I remember you repeatedly refused to disclose your source code until Dooglus neg-repped you.

Is this related to the decision to close SatoshiBet to US players too?

Seems like a normal day in Bitcoin land.


I'm sorry to see you closing. All the best anyway.

I'm sure you can see why people might be sceptical of a new site that launched shortly after two big dice sites turned out to be scams, especially when it is initially using another site's code without permission.

what other site scammed besides dice.ninja?

damnit, i didnt know that dice ninja is a scam
plinko signalled a new start

dicebitco.in, then dice.ninja

i,m just know dice.ninja scam, i dont know dicebitco.in scam too

Well, dice.ninja apparently claimed they were hacked, dicebitco.in claim they employed someone new then put his code live without reviewing it and it happened to contain code that cheated players because the new employee was earning a cut of the site's commission. But it appears to be generally believed that they were both just scam sites.

Don't forget EveryDice. I think the number of people wronged in that one was more limited, but it was still a scam site.

I heard they repaid everyone eventually. Check their thread.

It appears maybe they have, except for 1Dice? I don't see any confirmation there they paid him out, and last I remember hearing was that their "main investor" who had control of the cold wallets was not going to honor his bets, because he was suspicious 1Dice was cheating. (It was awhile ago though, I don't remember the details with perfect clarity.)

Maybe you can't call it a scam site, but it wasn't run honorably either.

Although, from the looks of some of the posts, it seems people were paid back what they had on the site after 1Dice's winnings were subtracted, but if they never paid out to 1Dice, doesn't that mean they kept btc that doesn't belong to them? Either 1Dice won it and it should be paid out to him, or they determine he shouldn't be paid, in which case the winnings never occurred and should be returned to investors. But in no case should there be instances in which people only received a portion of their investment back less winnings that were never paid out.

Quotes from ED thread:

Yeah, I don't know the details, but thought maybe you hadn't heard that there was more to the story than just "OP vanishes".

It's good you pointed me back to the thread. I hadn't heard anything about any payments back to people, but my attention had fallen away from that thread after months of nothing important happening. That's the fate of all these gambling-turned-scam-threads over the longterm, I'm afraid.

whether the site has been sold or they lose their way to get into their personal websites. because, if they have to sell it, but some of the features of our site was still working as register, login and claim for 5bits. but can not be used to play.