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[CANN]Cannabis Coin Pre-Mine Transparency Discussion
 
 
I’d like to have an open transparent discussion about the pre-mined coins behind Cannabis Coin (CANN). I believe the information below is in the best interest of all those investing in CANN as a cannabis crypto.
 
Lets get to the facts.
 
- CANN was originally launched as a scrypt based mining protocol/algorithm and shortly thereafter transitioned to X11 for fear of ASIC technology that may cause a negative impact to the fairness of mining scrypt.
 
- CANN decided ‘it would it be a good sacrifice' to drop the blockchain altogether and completely re-launch. This required all miners to update their coins and trade them directly to the dev team for their new X11 coins.
 
- The reluach of CannabisCoin (CANN) contained a pre-mine block of 21,882,000 CANN located here: http://chainz.cryptoid.info/cann/block.dws?1.htm
 
- 25+ addresses contain 500k coins EACH directly linked to the pre-mined address and still sit untouched over 130 days, creation date aprox June 12, 2014..
 
- All 25 wallet address were payed in single payments (500k coins) in short succession, block after block as a pre-pared and planned payment. This does not indicate a number of coins rewarded to miners as the redistribution program was intended for.
 
Block #’s that publicly show this information of the wallets pushed 500k transactions: 9059,9065,9064,9070,9072,9075,9079,9083,9085,9085,9089,9089,9093,9095,9097,9099,9100,9100,9104,9104,9133,9135,9138,9138,9139,9139,9141,9144,248410,261076,261076, 246192
 
Here is block 9059 to get you started: https://chainz.cryptoid.info/cann/block.dws?9059.htm
 
you can see these addresses in succession on the top 100 richest CANN addresses here: https://chainz.cryptoid.info/cann/#!rich (make sure to select top 100 addresses)
 
The 500k wallets start at #22 all the way to #51. These are all linked directly to the pre-mine wallet address: https://chainz.cryptoid.info/cann/address.dws?CL2VEsNv5sEvQhUaVj3x13Ch8PJGgFgCyU.htm

Again, lets keep the discussion open and transparent followed by factual evidence. This thread is in no way directed to be FUD or rumors, this intended for public review by the community as to get some answers.  It seems there is no information that I've been able to find regarding this transition and I'm sure there are other's would would like to know as well.


https://i.imgur.com/dQIDoDP.png
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https://ip.bitcointalk.org/?u=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FWhCnbze.jpg&t=545&c=qU8tOSDZY9ppTw
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https://ip.bitcointalk.org/?u=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FDxO319N.jpg&t=545&c=wBjf1VK8BSS-3w

https://ip.bitcointalk.org/?u=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FPZXGlVB.png&t=545&c=3Nng5msI1PKf_Q

Dev has more coins than the original 14million claimed! Add another 6.6+ Million!

Here is the block chain analysis of the pre-mined data of this coin. If anyone can provide scrypt blockchain and ill will then furthur give you 100% confirmation of all transactions made on the blockchain.

As you can see, there are 1,465,379 CANN coins directly linked to bittrex from the Dev teams pre-mine not paid out to miners.
Secondly you will see 5,202,379 Not yet redeemed just as you saw linked to the 29 burn addresses .

https://i.imgur.com/NRmuh1G.png

You can see there was activity on the following 5 million moved from pre-mine can CANN wallet 28 minutes after the burn that occurred between 1AM - 2:16AM PST on OCT 22nd. This looks as is someone is hiding something...  ::)

https://i.imgur.com/gcHKXY5.jpg
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CANN developer admits he owns another 5 million pre-mined coins with "no plans to burn".
https://ip.bitcointalk.org/?u=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FnxxHyip.png&t=545&c=VJf2oyKyUTf-YA
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https://ip.bitcointalk.org/?u=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FYYkyf4F.jpg&t=545&c=i1UpB3GKA0GKpA

Thanks for posting the image there. I'll be following this thread for sure. Thanks!

I was interested in this post so I grabbed the first of the 500,00 addresses and drilled down into the transaction for that deposit and found that it hadnt been picked up by that address:

Outputs
Index   Redeemed in   Address   Amount
0   Not yet redeemed   CGcmQ2tYoNsw8gBSCXFpiNFp6R3dfN9Zdo   500,000.0 CANN
1   c145e1450aae...   CWxQ99o5nBFKtNXKWLjjDmcNfodzJ2WU1K   19,621,583.352279 CANN

The others are the same. Which means the coins are sitting on the block chain and not in the wallet. Did they destroy these coins?

Interested to see how this  is answered. or if a price crash will be the answer.

Good question.  With a new wallet, these addresses could be invalidated if they are not legitimate.

https://i.imgur.com/rDU1cm4.jpg

ITS OK EVERYBODY CANNIBIS COIN DEV SAID THE 25+ wallets WITH 500K ARENT HIS OR HIS TEAM. NO WORRIES RIGHT

Ah, no big deal then. Everyone can go back to not thinking of the 12,500,000 CANNs floating about the ether.

yeah keep buying the cheap coins.. all the 12million of them when they get dumped

so the TLDR is there is a 12.5 million premine that can be dumped any time that was supposed to go to the CANN script miners that never claimed them?

Without all those pennies this coin is going nowhere and helping no one. It's unfortunate, but that's the way the world works.

then GTFO and invest on the coin that makes you tickle. Stop with negativity already!

Stupid bastard :)

False Flag.

http://media.giphy.com/media/XUFPGrX5Zis6Y/giphy.gif

and why? everything stand in the first post from the dev. lol  ::)

I know one thing, the behavior from some of the other marijuana coins is pathetic

First we got Garrity running around with his sock accounts on twitter and the trollboxes calling CANN a scam, now we have tokyopotato pretending to be a friend to CANN first while getting all passive aggressive dropping comments about how the peg wouldn't work, then making a stink about CANN wallet having the letter c in front of its addresses (lol) and then no doubt hiding under the newbie account az420 to fud. Now he's taken his mask off and shown his true colors.

CCN lost any credibility when they added that dead scam coin Sativa to Cannapay, wouldn't be surprised if Roscoin and Cannabis Dark pop up there next.

shouldn't this be crash to 1 sat news?

and why?

when this premine stand in the first op post?

moron

I went looking for this premine information in the first op but cant find it. Is it in the new thread or the old one?

0.o

maybe this https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=661885.msg8202281#msg8202281

FUDing another coin, eh dev?

Not a smart move on your part. Not a smart move at all.

ROFL'z ..ugghh where to start ? we REALLY need a shaking head emoticon !

A gimmick coin comes out like countless others that offers what new ? made by whom ?
Based on illegal drugs ?

You guys think making a coin using the Scrypt algo so it can be raped with a Terahash ASIC miners is fair switching to X11 later ?
Helping the community by switching ? or sealing up the exploit so no one else can take advantage ? ahhaha

Then a transfer / conversion is announced and clearly was not completed or documented properly or OP would not have that info to begin with !

I would be worried ..very worried !

This all reeks like scammy amateur hour LOL

PS:
The don't be negative guy and his other comments are utterly hilarious. LOL
Hey guys don't be a whiner if you lose bitcoin to scammers just be quiet and don't complain and go make more Bitcoin (they can rip off) negative nancy's

edit:
you guys learn something here ?
See the moral of the story yet ? ..nobody ever looks at the source code !
and they put out so many coins and so many updates that keeping up is impossible (checking code)
it's a method of burying the community so they can not fight back.

Thanks I had a read and it sounds fine except that there is still the matter of all the coins still sitting in the wallets that have never been redeemed.

Inputs
Index   Previous output   Address   Amount
0   aeac06f61f79...:1   CVBBGS8ezNeQqrjfQdezmkAKeGToMiDFfT   20,121,583.352279 CANN
Outputs
Index   Redeemed in   Address   Amount
0   Not yet redeemed   CGcmQ2tYoNsw8gBSCXFpiNFp6R3dfN9Zdo   500,000.0 CANN
1   c145e1450aae...   CWxQ99o5nBFKtNXKWLjjDmcNfodzJ2WU1K   19,621,583.352279 CANN

panic sell is coming

already happening by the look of it.

its now less than when i bought in

the thing is none of that 12.5 mill was touched

The thing is, there are private key(s) to those public addresses.

lol dont listen to all this fuder

there was no hidden premine, all the premine from the devs stand from day 1 in the first post in the official thread.

In crypto it's technically what the blockchain says..

Please provide a little evidence to back up your statement or most people won't believe you.

Could you make the font a little bigger, I can't quite read it?


Where does it mention a 12.5mil premine?

According to this, all the premine was paid out, so no, that doesn't explain the 12.5mil coins and is therefore irrelevant and not evidence.

dude, i think you nailed it

FUD/othercoin DEV teams

I will buy your other weedcoin right now if I can send them to some followers like I was able to for this Iraq War Veteran where they can exchange those for medicine.

Because this is what CannabisCoin and I assume your coins are all about anyway, the patients, the community right?

I would expect the time and energy spent by my coins dev team is on making the same milestones CANN already has (warehouses, live run.) They all have potential to be adopted somewhere in someway.

But there is evidence to suggest that there is a premine, and the devs have made a statement saying they no nothing of this 12.5million coins, which is a little difficult to believe really. There is nothing wrong with FUD, the only reason why people hate it is they usually associate it with losing money. True supporters of this coin (you know the people who aren't just trying to make money through trying to sell things for more than its worth) wouldn't care very much about this FUD, and be more focused on making this coin the widespread payment currency for weed.

FUD ATTACK  :)

even if those 12.5M didnt move, the fact is that they are real and probably mined by khm, khm dev, while it was scrypt, and they can be dumped any moment



just honest bystander, i sold everything before hype

Don't frighten people by the fairy tales  ;)

You say it like the FUDers are the bad guys, its actually the other way round. The scammers are the bad guys :)

Fuders & scammers are the bad guys :)

How are FUDers bad guys? I was labelled an FUDer although all I did was ask a bunch of questions seeking the truth, as well as arguing against blatant lies from scammers.

This is all that I've ever seen and he verifies those coins were paid out by him:

https://i.imgur.com/PZXGlVB.png

so 25 early miners mined 500,000 coins exactly not 501,125 coins or 499,998 coins all 25 of these guys mined exactly 500k each and then completely forgot about them?

DeltaNineDev, this is an opportunity to explain to your community why there exists 12.5+ million premined coins in 25 wallets even though you said you distributed them all to miners.

Az420 =  tokyopotato  is here...

as i see it, one guy mined 12.5M coins and later transfered them in 500k portions

Truly, he is only able to overact

So, we have lots of contradictory information here that DeltaNineDev has the opportunity to clear up for people.

CANNAPAY IS A BIG SCAM...


BIG SECURITY PROBLEMS WITH THIS SOFTWARE EVERYONE CAN TAKE YOUR COINS!!!!!


DON´T USE THIS SCAM!!!!

This is very funny, this person have only 13 posts :P Dev team cann is real. POD 5+

The credibility is in the block chain!

You've got all the scam info here in this thread, look through the CCN blockchain! Its clean, you (CANN) have a severed block chain with millions waiting to be dumped. That should scare the shit out of CANN investors. I know its hard to accept your lose big, but if you go through the normal reactive stages (denial, anger, bargaining, sadness and reinvestment) your GONNA LOOSE BIG and this thread will be here to remind you for the rest of your crytpo life.

What good is a clean blockchain with a lying two-faced dev behind the PR wheel?

The irony though is all these pot coins jumping on CANN all of a sudden will bring themselves down with it; if CANN fails crypto will find another fad to pump and dump and weed coins will go the way of the country or animal coins. Looking at the character though of Coyoto Wallstreet, Adam Garrity and Tokypotato, I can't say I wouldn't mind that either.

In my mind the discussion is about who is running this coin is it d9, who said those millions aren't his or his teams. Hard to believe unless you consider the third ANN thread for CANN, because your dev lost his login? Whoever moved those coins pre-mined them so if it wasn't the dev team, then who? I'm a cancer patient and people who rip off cancer patients are the lowest of the low. So who is running the show here? Is d9 just a figure head.

If I were a big investor, I'd demand some real info about who is in control.

Side note: got an old wallet, we can examine that block chain and see if the same irregularities exist there and maybe how many got ripped off.

I was an original miner, sent my scrypt coins to the dev and got some x11 coins back.

This coin is mined fairly. A scam would be a 100% premined coin where the dev has an many coins as they want for free (a.k.a ICO).

All of a sudden you guys care about premine? Just pretend it was an ICO, lol.

If you're implying Coyote Wallstreet has anything to do with PotCoin then you're wrong

I care about the legitimacy of the block chain and the fairness to all miners and investors involved.

We would like to have a valid properly working block chain for the transaction as a ledger for these movements. I am still waiting from the dev on a follow up to the OP

There is no doubt some of the coins can be accounted for and the sooner all 21.8 million coins are accounted for, the sooner that DeltaNine and CANN community can put this behind them. We have not attacked Ty or his personal character whatsoever. DeltaNine has been asked many times by many people to provide accounting for the pre-mine which he failed to do and we believe he is obligated to do.  We have searched far and wide for some type of accounting, including asking him about it many times.  When we started looking at the blockchain, it became clear something was not right and there was never any public accounting for the 21.8 million coins.

Those 12.5 million coins are not all of the unaccounted coins.  If you delve further into the blockchan, you'll find many more 500k wallets that have had small transactions paid into them.

The sooner all 21.8 million coins are accounted for, the sooner that DeltaNine and CANN community can put this behind them.

The whole cann community will fight you if you simply ask about the Premine. So much darkness where there needs to be light.

for example. asking about the premine got him this.....
https://i.imgur.com/fnoHdWL.png

Can you explain me where this 58.5 Million Cannabiscoins come from?

They where on 1 account!

This account send 117 transactions with each 500.000 Cannabiscoin to other wallets.

https://chainz.cryptoid.info/cann/address.dws?CYpdnaZPQA3CrwMsFC9tMoP3wLNkn3dMHL.htm

When this will be a premine that means

21.8 Millionen official Premine

+ 58.5 Million Hidden Premine

= 80.3 Million Coins Premined from total 106 Million Coins.

only a question
i found this on the irc channel

https://i.imgur.com/8YIwOMv.jpg]https://i.imgur.com/8YIwOMv.jpg

gotta spread the word somehow...

Still awaiting a reply from the dev team regarding my concerns....

Still no update since D9's meeting.

https://i.imgur.com/oyEuJQj.jpg

Patience, he is only one Dev stepping away from a screen to make things happen in the real world.

lets hope these pre-mined wallets get addressed this evening. Welcome to the thread.

CANNABIS COINS IS NOT A SCAM
IMPORTANT MESSAGE:

i was one of the first miners. few people had faith in cannabiscoin and miners where turning to hyped coins. cannabis coin got ignored from public while difficulty was very low and i mined around 100.000 cannabiscoins.. (wich i foolishly sold at 300 satoshi) due to FUD.

there was a change from scrypt to X11 and the blockchain got something that i technically did not understood.
developers twitted to recover all lost coins to active miners as it could be matched by info on miningpool.
i got my coins back in the new blockchain as well as my friends which had replied. (some ignored thinking CANN would be worthless)

i told everybody how trustworthy developers were and they have been so far.

i have still 10k CANN and holding cuz i dont care about FUD and hypes. this coin is asset backed... 99% of coins are not.
this coin does help to disrupt the medicinal marijuana industry.

even if the developers had a huge premine i would not give a fuck! as they are working hard and changing the medical marijuana world.

thanks for your guys time.
by a sick person seeking cannabis oil on EU country, for an undiagnosed disease

PS: all my experience with cannabiscoin can be seen by browsing my username posts. all this is true.

i feel a scam

Date Registered: Today at 05:45:30 PM

you dont even know what scam means.

LOL.

Scumbag.

i like cannabiscoin very much and i also want problems - regarding the recent lack of credibility of D9 and CANN to some coincidentally newly popped up folks - to get solved. posting screenshots of how you are getting kicked by d9 without showing the previous conversation is nothing of evidence.

lol....pretty sure coyote wallstreet has something to do with Potcoin.  Your group are bunch of losers over there. DICKHEADS to be excate. Don't bother reply to me I don't associate myself with PotCoin losers.

ok what is it then ? i smell scam

regardless if this was a scam or not, what needed to be done was done pump, FUD, dump, buy cheap, clear FUD, pump, recycle... if you do not know how this works you should not be investing in any coin.

yeah you right though

I asked about those wallets eons ago and got no response either. Those coins came from the genesis block pre-mine. They were all transferred from the genesis wallet. If you know anything of how crypto works you would be asking the same questions.

The blockchain does not lie or FUD. I believe in the coin. But those wallets need to be addressed properly. Why is there 12.5 Million CANN sitting in wallets unspent since 131 days ago. That's all we are asking. If the devs say they don't know? I don't buy that. They were transferred from the Genesis block and wallet. Easy enough to track that down using block explorers.

[21:15] <@DeltaNineDev> I will continue to due my findings of these 25 wallets in question: We are giving the person whos coins these are 2 weeks to claim them before we invalidate the addresses so they cannot be spent on the CANN network.
[21:16] <@DeltaNineDev> do not due
[21:16] == pollystripe [5c2bbcac@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.92.43.188.172] has quit [Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client]
[21:16] <amnesiac_> If they are invalidated what is the total coin supply then?
[21:16] <@DeltaNineDev> 12.5m in those wallets
[21:16] <@DeltaNineDev> those will be invalidated in the source
[21:16] <Zoggy32> DeltaNineDev, I have a question. How are you able to invalidate coins on the network without the private keys? I assume this will require a new wallet
[21:16] <@DeltaNineDev> yes

Everyone spread this message from the IRC

No coins should be destroyed until there is complete transparency of all the pre-mined coins, not just those 12.5 million.

lmao that some addresses were used for mining about 3 weeks ago..
such matching block payouts ...
it probably shouldnt be too hard to see which pool they came from ..

haha it's obvious that someone found these addresses and thought to play silly buggers with them..

you guys really been sitting and preparing this fud for that long ? shame on such nasty intentions


https://chainz.cryptoid.info/cann/address.dws?CYpdnaZPQA3CrwMsFC9tMoP3wLNkn3dMHL.htm
mined til block 246192

https://chainz.cryptoid.info/cann/address.dws?CLwBDKyxxHcanDNysL89sYaaT7i3gk14Gx.htm
// then this took over from block 246192

This information has been publicly available for over 4 months and many people asked DeltaNine to provide an audit and accounting of the 21.8 CANN premine.  They were usually drowned out and called FUDsters.

Contrary to what most people think, we didn't plan this.  We didn't even investigate the blockchain until yesterday.  The point of the blockchain is for transparency and clearly there has been no transparency.  When we found out, we informed the CANN community and the BCT community immediately.  A price drop ensued.

The CANN team should perform a complete audit and provide transparency between the old blockchain and the new blockchain regarding the 21.8 million CANN.

If they start destroying coins without a complete accounting of the distribution of the premined coins it could make the problem worse.

And here is the solution that was given.

https://i.imgur.com/ReOooLw.jpg

lol so three of those 500k addresses were all inadvertently touched at about the same time

22   CYpdnaZP...   500,440.7 CANN   0.54 %   14 days 21 hours
23   CV9zGJpH...   500,352.0 CANN   0.54 %   13 days 21 hours
24   CLwBDKyx...   500,130.2 CANN   0.54 %   13 days 19 hours

far more suspicious than the devs moving obvious coins into obvious addressess then leaving them until now ..


https://chainz.cryptoid.info/cann/address.dws?6687.htm
https://chainz.cryptoid.info/cann/address.dws?6696.htm
https://chainz.cryptoid.info/cann/address.dws?6695.htm

CANN Dev admits, he has the wallets containing 14.5million! This is just the tip of the iceberg!

Download the list of wallets the Dev has confirmed to owning from the pre-mine!

https://mega.co.nz/#!V0Q0wRzD!ppPPCbRN78xFxa_ScF1S5SgB7qxxlGZRRWkFtYOSP7I

https://i.imgur.com/McQHoq6.png

At this point with all the back pedaling and no formal from the dev,this is truly bringing light what is really behind the scenes here at CANN.

there has been no back pedalling that i have seen. the coins were put into storage against being claimed. they were never claimed and were inadvertently ignored/forgotten


they were forgotten, they have been found, they will be destroyed. 

kabaaam

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So he's going to burn the coins and this premine non sense will all be over? Nice!

In that case I'm buying me some CANN

There's still the remaining 7.3 million CANN that are not accounted for publicly.  So far I've come across three original miners that redeemed large wallets (300-400k).  Without some type of transparency to the distribution process that was used and the old blockchain, it won't be easy to track down those coins.

7.3 million coins distributed with no oversight and virtually no public accounting.

This means Delta9 could be sitting on 5-6 million coins from the pre-mine.

It's all laid out right there in front of you: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=829975.msg9281789#msg9281789

replies defending the dev is hilarious..

"i forgot" ?
oh god did you really just say that ? wowowow LOLOLOLL

reality check.. GAME OVER !

when shit like this happens all the crying FUD and making excuses don't matter..
the majority of people in the scene are gone or won't get involved later.
the coin is as good as dead period .

history has repeated.. do your homework if you don't believe me.

and it was the devs responsibility to be in charge of the coin and he failed and fucked up bad.
i forgot does not magically make mistakes disappear.


thank god i am not an idiot and invested in crappy shit like this LOL
why would i ?

oh yeah i forgot..... Lambo'z  ::)

25 * 500,000 = 12,500,000

The rest of the 21.8 million premine was used to pay early scrypt miners, which is why it wasn't found in the block chain

So yeah, no premine buddy

I also find it interesting how hostile you are towards this coin. Lots of baseless accusations in an attempt to harm CANN, its quite sad really.

What are you talking about? Are you butthurt about losing money on the recent crash? haha

The dev did not fuck up at all, there were some coins left on the blockchain that had not moved at all, and are now being publicly removed

This coin is far from dead, this is probably the furthest any weed coin has ever gotten to achieving its goals, and its still going strong. The dev was competent enough to own up to his mistakes and fix them, and that's a whole lot better than most of the other shit coins you probably put your money onto. The issue of the premine with Cannabiscoin was resolved, the money is going to be publicly burned.

Also why do you bother writing this crap? You sound like a really hateful and retarded person, and if you are, well then I feel sorry for you. But you should still shut up and stop trying to ruin cryptocurrencies. You can criticize all you like (since that leads to improvements) but what you're doing is incredibly hostile and has the intent on doing damage. Why on earth do you do this? I think its probably for some retarded selfish personal reasons. Obviously I can't make you stop, ultimately you can do whatever you like. But at least take what I said into consideration.

More info here: http://www.cryptoarticles.com/crypto-news/unallocated-cannabiscoins-to-be-destroyed-via-proof-of-burn-which-will-be-recorded-on-a-gopro

Proof of burn video here: http://cannabiscoinnews.tumblr.com/

https://chainz.cryptoid.info/cann/address.dws?CGTta3M4t3yXu8uRgkKvaWd2d8DQvDPnpL.htm

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y6xORbdGwm4

14M CANN is now out of circulation. These are not the droids you were looking for.

WOW, i love the DEV  :)

This mean we have now not 92 Million Coins, only 78 Million  :o

wait, wait, wait, hold on a second, there's still something VERY important missing from these YouTube clips -- that fucking Delta9 -- how could you have forgotten to say the following:


"THANK YOU JAMESONTC AND TOKYOPOTATO FOR BRINGING THIS TO LIGHT!!!.  We should all be thankful that the community has such altruistic superheroes in our midst to protect the interests of everyone.  Without the transparency police, this would have never come about and I would have never thought of dealing with the issue in this way.  These guys are truly leaders and pioneers in the crypto-world - true class acts in every way.  Let's all thank them for caring so much about CANN by investing in their CCN project.  James, Tokyopotato and the rest of the CCN guys, I love you - true professionals - you're great.  I can only wish to be more like you and I will strive in every way to do so!!"


Until you release a follow-up Youtube message to that effect, D9, you're just another shyster scam artist, I hate you and you should die!"

 

Even if he does this (which he should), he should still be considered another shyster scam artist for lying about the fact he owned 12m+ coins.  Nobody "forgets" about a significant percentage of the coin supply, especially after meticulously placing them in several lots of 500,000.

https://i.imgur.com/WhCnbze.jpg

The fact that these coins existed and the private keys were on hand to access the wallets and finally "burn" is pretty damning!

Real investors that do their due diligence won't be back, from here on out he hurts cancer patients. Good job D9! maybe you’ll end up getting prosecuted for this some day. You were exposed as a con man tried to oil your way out, but you have no credibility in crypto any more.

Don't worry, real investors will come, they will sift through this bullshit and come to their own conclusions......and the whales, they will definitely be back.


Think of this as a products liability "re-call" issue that was identified, handled professionally, and resolved.  What happened to Johnson & Johnson's Tylenol after its "issues" in the 80's:

http://www.nytimes.com/2002/03/23/your-money/23iht-mjj_ed3_.html


No one died here.  
This will blow over.  
You're delusional to think it won't, but please, by all means, continue to think so.

I wasn't going to chime in on this, but...

People need to get over themselves. The crypto 'verse is big enough for all coins to coexist without shitting on
one another. That being said, the 25 x 500k transactions that are all EXACTLY 500k and all EXACTLY the same
age is fishy.

The only actual FACT in this whole fiasco is that those coins exist (or existed since they appear to have been
destroyed). Everything else is speculation. Was it a hidden premine? I honestly don't know.  CANN devs were
saying that they had no knowledge of the coins and didn't know who they belonged to.

Okay...maybe that's true. So please, CANN devs, answer me this:

• How do you not notice 25 identical transactions on the blockchain that all occurred at the same time?
• If these were not your coins, how were you able to find the private keys and access the addresses to be
  able to destroy the coins?

I am not a coindev, so for all I know, maybe there is a rational explanation. If so, I would like to know.

For those of you whargarrrbling about CCN having hired a PR firm to FUD CANN - the only person who claims
to have actual FIRST HAND knowledge (not "I heard that..." or "so and so told me...") of this is a sockpuppet
account created TODAY with 2 posts to its name. Adding the moniker _Snowden to your nick? That just smacks
of trying too hard to troll.

No coin needs to shit on another to succeed. It makes crypto as a whole look bad when that happens. Who
the hell is going to want to invest something that, at the moment, resembles nothing so much as a bunch of
angry monkeys flinging poo at one another?

Oh yeah, one more thing - using big ass fonts doesn't give you any more credibility than normal size fonts.
It just irritates more people.

Just sayin'...

Thank you sir. 
Another rational thinker.


I'd like to add, when it's the DEVs of another coin doing the shit-slinging, the effect is compounded exponentially. 

So using the wall street anology, have you or anybody you know invested in any Bernard L. Madoff Investment Securities LLC or even his childrens funds? hell know

real investors will see the lies and cons and what about those 500k wallets that went to bitrex before the pump?

as long as this guy is conning patients this thread will have life.

As a matter of fact, I do know someone that did, and that person killed herself for losing her family's "life savings".


If you've invested that much into a crypto-currency, you might as well kill yourself now.




hmm, I don't believe he's conned any patients.  Rumor has it, patients that presented CANN as payment at the HWC on Oct 20th got weed - imagine that.   Sounds like he delivered.  Doesn't sound like "patients" were conned.

If you want to go so far as to say that these "missing" wallets that were re-located and then burned means there was a con, who was conned?  Who was scammed?  Patients?  I doubt "patients" that went to redeem CANN at HWC know what the fuck a crypto-currency is let alone what www.bitcointalk.org is.

If anything, bagholders, of which I am one, may feel "conned" based on price and the over-hype that took place here, but don't blame D9 for that.  Hype occurred organically by the community....if not organically, then it was at the hands of true shysters -- those we all call Whales, who by the way, will be back.  If there's money to be made, and I have no doubt CANN will provide an avenue, the Whales will return.

I do my due-diligence.....can't say the same for you and your trigger-happy postings.

There's still ~6 million coins from the pre-mine that are not accounted for.  This will leave a stain on #cann forever until DeltaNine can provide the old blockchain and accounting for those ~6 million.

I believe he is live burning them and will do it on a gopro.

 ::)


WTF you talking about, ALL Premine is burned.

We have located ~5 million outstanding coins from the original premine that is sitting in DeltaNine's wallet: https://chainz.cryptoid.info/cann/address.dws?134355.htm

https://chainz.cryptoid.info/cann/address.dws?CX5MLYvxkhbKGHfGHex6rJ2Y84QbtBVjRS.htm

So you are saying that 0feepool received ~5 million coins from the premine and never distributed them?

https://chainz.cryptoid.info/cann/address.dws?134355.htm

Dev has more coins than the original 14million claimed! Add another 6.6+ Million!

Here is the block chain analysis of the pre-mined data of this coin. If anyone can provide scrypt blockchain and ill will then furthur give you 100% confirmation of all transactions made on the blockchain.

As you can see, there are 1,465,379 CANN coins directly linked to bittrex from the Dev teams pre-mine not paid out to miners.
Secondly you will see 5,202,379 Not yet redeemed just as you saw linked to the 29 burn addresses .

https://i.imgur.com/NRmuh1G.png

You can see there was activity on the following 5 million moved from pre-mine can CANN wallet 28 minutes after the burn that occurred between 1AM - 2:16AM PST on OCT 22nd. This looks as is someone is hiding something...  ::)

https://i.imgur.com/gcHKXY5.jpg

you bagholder too dumb to read blockchain. fact right there. premine not all burn some sold by dev who poor man.

The value and vision behind CannabisCoin is already in action.

Having personally supplied a local Herbal Wellness Center patient and Iraq War veteran with free 1.5 gram joints because of CANN has proven this to me.

I'm satisfied with everything the dev team is doing and will be adopting CANN myself in the near future for my own patients here in metro Detroit.

I truly wish I could say the same for the other coins whose potential is way better than Paint graph analysis which gain no interest of anyone anymore.

the red numbers look like they could be an internal bittrex address.

here is where other coins TO THE SAME BITTREX come from .. bittrex

129,999.81001919 go to CJAiJS1zwcvBxsyudneyPaVPUJtHzEo34f .. then follow those all the way to that bittrex deposit address

https://chainz.cryptoid.info/cann/block.dws?174879.htm

Seems pretty fishy to me. I'm out.

says the newbie account

The sooner that D9 burns the remaining ~5 million premine coins that represent 6% of the current total supply, the sooner the CANN community can put this behind them and move forward.

This paid FUD company want really earned those BTC. LOL
 Too bad you all are newbies, and we all are not that dumb(p).

Seems like FUD coming from even more newbie accounts, but can anyone verify his logic.
I don't really care tho since I'm sick of the commotion.
Actual development updates and YesWeCANN progress updates would be a lot more enjoyable.

Newbie fud all the time. Only noobs believe in newbies.

Pls newbie fud teenagers, go back to school

CANN developer admits he owns another 5 million pre-mined coins with "no plans to burn".

https://i.imgur.com/nxxHyip.png

Just bought more $Cann.

Great. So for months people have thought there's no premine, and it turns out that there is a premine after all.

Didn't think to let us know eh? Slipped your mind? https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=661885.msg8222374#msg8222374 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=661885.msg8222374#msg8222374)

Pretty soon devs will need Proof of Polygraph if they want to launch a coin. And the mad thing is most people here wouldn't have begrudged a little premine on this coin. But keeping quiet about the fact you have 17 million coins kicking around until someone pulls you up on it is pretty damning.

He could have at least got a kilo of weed for the event and stuck to the 3 grams per customer, I mean shit bro, you got a 5 tonne premine ffs.

I'm a scuba diver, have been for 40 years. The thing I like about scuba is the industry made a decision early on to develop their own standards and have mostly kept regulators out of their business.

That is what we need here, self regulation, expose the real actual dollar rip-offs. Protect patients. the only way to do that is expose premines that were undisclosed.

I love it that so many say they are leaving CCN over this, because I am actively buying more. Problem is, there doesn't seem to be that many sellers. So I suppose those investors were small. or simply not seeling.

Now the entire story has been told.  Even after hiding the premine, then being outed and burning 14 million, DeltaNineDev admits he still has 6% of the total coin supply from CANN pre-mine.

Instead of refuting any of these facts, the only response from CANN is to attack the messenger.  Delta9 went on a ban spree last night on IRC and kicked out anyone with a dissenting point of view.  Even though these questions have surfaced 18 million coins that were unaccounted for and forced Delta9 to burn 14 million of them, the response is to still attack and ban anyone with a question about the pre-mine.

For anyone who has been involved with bitcoin or cryptocurrency for more than a couple of months, it is obvious that this is a very amateur operation being run by CANN with zero respect for the blockchain asset ledger.  18m coins unaccounted for until this week, with any and all questions resulting in a ban from the developer. 

Delta9 and CannabisCoin will go down in the crypto history books as one of the most blatant examples of pre-mine theft. 


 

How can you steal from your own creation?

Whether it is ethical or not, it's him who spent the money to build that grow facility and it's him who created the coin, he stole from no one.

I'm sure the majority of Microsoft shareholders could care less 30 years later that Bill Gates and Balmer lied to IBM and bought DOS for a few thousand dollars and flipped it for millions.

Solid12345, why don't you go find out the truth about that and report back.

I don't know about the grow facility specifically but I did my research to know Delta 9 owns a string of successful revenue producing businesses that would well afford him to purchase such a facility. 

So he is not only a DEV but himself an investor into a vision not for his own benefit but FOR THE PATIENTS?

GoodGuyDev DeltaNine  ;D

Did anyone really expect honesty from a drug dealer?

Bill Gates and Ballmer would be in jail if they did what Delta9 did, despite the fact that it's "their creation".  

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Embezzlement

Many founders of companies are sitting behind bars today because they willfully hid money from investors or tax collectors.  This is no different.

CANN going on the offensive against CCN - suspicious alright! https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=833303

Lol I think its fairly justified after CCN (including you) went on the offensive against CANN not to long ago. You should just give up, CCN is worthless. "If you can't beat them, join them".

There is no evidence showing the Delta9 intentionally hid the money. Also this isn't the stock market, this is crypto.

And he's using them for what? To improve Cannabiscoin?? what a monster, lets all get out our pitch forks then.

Well its the only wallet with 5 million in it and that other IRC screenshot shows that Delta9 does indeed have control over that 5 million. Unless that screenshot of the IRC is fake, anyone could photoshop that. You have a history of using intentionally small and specific bits of information to twist the truth. You also use methods like spamming infographics and baseless FUD all over the place. Your credibility is therefore non existent to me, as I'm sure you understand. I'll be looking into this further myself though, and If I find any actual solid evidence I'll be sure to post it here.

If you look beyond the premine you'll notice this coin has a huge community and serious supporters though. The dev himself showed that this coin can and will be used in the real world for transactions, giving it value beyond potential future profits for traders and miners. This coin has far more value than the large majority of other alt coins, I don't want people to forget that.

Tokyo from the pictures you posted on the last page here that looks VERY very bad !
I support you on this
..the info you provided is compelling and intriguing and also damning to the delta dev guy.

Good work exposing this scam artist guys !

This Tokyo guy has done nothing but mindlessly spam other peoples words all over the place out of sheer spite, because his shitcoin didn't succeed. He shouldn't be praised. How about praising people who actually worked to get and present the information like Jamesonotc. Also the evidence still isn't definitive. Of course, you're the type who loves to destroy so I wouldn't expect you to bother looking into the evidence and thinking for yourself. You are actually worse than the "scam artists".

I am analyzing and restructuring the entire 21.8 million pre-mine in a visual blockchain layout and will be releasing this soon. This will be more compelling then the original 7.2 million visual. As I am currently going through this project  and constantly shaking my head at the things i've discovered. 

It's going to show you EXACTLY what went down.

Sometimes a pictures worth a thousand words....

A picture is not evidence, you should also give links to certain parts of the block chain so people can see for themselves what is going on. You can't expect people to believe you, you are a random person on the internet. Especially when what you are doing is not in their best interest. Also I myself can't stand these infographics, I'd just like a normal explanation with words.

Good man!  ;D

All the details will be clearly listed for you to reference on the block explorer, without a doubt.

Cool, looking forward to it

I hate to say it Tokyopotato, 'cause I am "still" a supporter of CCN's projects (not you or James as individuals), but you're getting the negative publicity you deserve and should have seen coming.

Another "action group" is calling you out for your less than professional conduct as DEVs.  Their mission is to weed child-like trolling behavior from the crypto-community.  I for one applaud them and don't care who's behind it.  You are convinced its CANN supporters, but have no evidence for jumping to this conclusion -- again, just sheer speculation.  Showing the blockchains for CANN may have been "facts" but your incessant cries for scam, lies, corruption and fraud of another DEV was speculation.  You are not the judge and the jury by any means.


Anyone interested in some lengthy back and forth on the CCN subreddit by a concerned investor (me), check out:

http://www.reddit.com/r/cannacoin/comments/2k19gz/seriously_guys_please_stop/


The exchange there sums up how poorly things were handled and how unnecessary it was for "CCN" to be dragged into this mess.

If James and Patrick felt so strongly about something, that's fine, and they should have done what this group had done and acted anonymously FOR THE SAKE OF CCN.  They didn't and because they represent a much larger CCN and NWGT community, their actions unwittingly reflect poorly on more than just them as individuals.  As an investor, a shareholder in their development project, I am very upset! 

I've been embarrassed and ashamed to be a CCN supporter, but I believe in the projects and won't jump ship.  I will also not blindly defend nor embrace childish behavior of those at the helm.  I have been a very vocal dissenter of their childish behavior.

I've urged James and Patrick to stop this nonsense.  I am a practicing attorney and know a thing or two about libel/slander.  Clearly James and Patrick don't know the definitions because quite frankly D9 would have a strong case against them.  Facts may have been presented, but the conclusions were drawn based on pure speculation. 

James / Patrick (especially you Tokyopotato), for the love of all things IRIE, stop!.  Consider representing CCN under a new alias....."Tokyopotato" has forever tarnished any good will CCN still has left and it's time to stop the bleeding!

Actually, the dev has no case, he lied about the premine. He said all 21 million were distributed to miners, which we now know was BS. When he was pulled up on it he said he didn't know whose wallets they were, but would check. Then he reveals they might be from the unclaimed premine, having made no mention of unclaimed coins before. Lo and behold, they ARE from the premine, but rather than alert the mining community that there are still 17 million coins waiting to be swapped over, he quickly burns them instead.

How's that gonna look in a court of law?

any number of possible defenses are available....the one, which I'm sure none of you "Crypto-people" would accept is, this was an "oversight".  Given everything else that was going on and all his other efforts, traveling, meeting, doing PR, training, etc . . . he didn't think about it after wallets were set aside for payouts to miners under the previous algos.  He was called out in the middle of the first "Event" - a busy time, no doubt, then burned the coins, but apparently not enough of them to satisfy some people.

Technically, these coins didn't come from a "pre-mine" per se, did they?  They were the result of coins left over from an algo-switch.  Not exactly "lies", but I digress.

I won't get into everything that could be brought up to defend a claim for libel.  Facts were presented, coins were burned and yet the libel of "scam artist", "fraud", "thief" still continued.  The 7 million or so coins still out there.....maybe there are very good business reasons to use them for adoption / promotion purposes.  5% for marketing isn't all that bad.  

A jury will likely be satisfied that an issue was presented and dealt with accordingly.  D9's claim for libel would come after all of that -- i.e. dragging CANN and D9 through the mud after the facts and the burning coins.  It's the speculative conclusions drawn by DEVs of other projects that makes the case for libel.

In a "court of law" everything would come out - including the information and details on character of those crying "wolf".  As an attorney defending D9, you would bet your ass they'd subpoena those members of NWGT (i.e. Lemonkoko, or whatever his name was) to discuss the not-so great experiences they've had dealing with CCN people (i.e. claims of outright fraud, theft, threats, releasing private information about their members' families and underage children -- violating their own privacy policies, the list goes on. . . )

In the end, rest assured that a jury in a libel case such as this would likely be filled by rednecks who know little to nothing about cryptos or this shit-slinging forum.  

Again, I urge James and Tokyopotato to stop this nonsense for the good of CCN.  If you wish to continue, fine, but please start using a different alias when representing CCN....please do something to fix the damage your actions have done to CCN's good name.  

 

Cool story bro.. next time add more Dragons !

I don't suppose your saying all that because you've been exposed huh ? naaaaw that is crazy huh ? not at Bitcointalk the land of 1,000+ "legit" coins LOL

precisely, lies upon lies.

"I forgot" is probably the most likely defense.


Technically, they did come from the pre-mine, and their distribution was not accounted for.


I never directly accused D9 of fraud, those were other people's words, not mine.


Point taken.

We certainly put our credibility on the line and took the brunt of the collateral damage by presenting the information for people.

Ah, the technicality of premine/postmine. Fortunately round here we're not fooled by lawyer-speak, and he won't be getting off.

No effort was made to allow miners to claim these newly discovered coins, because the dev knew they weren't going to be claimed.

So I reckon the jury would see it my way. He lied, got caught, and tried to cover it up.

you do know -- none of you - none of us -would be selected as a jury, right?  


In a case, D9 would say something like, ". . . an issue was brought up that I was not fully aware of, or that I had honestly forgotten about.  At the time, we set coins aside to be redeemed, many of them were and an even greater number were not. These coins were discovered by the community, I performed the actions that were requested (although I was not obligated to do so).  I took steps to rectify the perceived-fraud.  For sound business reasons, I decided to keep 5% of those unclaimed funds for marketing / promotion / give-aways to do X-Y-Z with it, here's what we did.  "  

a jury of non-crypto laymen would likely be satisfied that this did not amount to any "fraud" and given we're talking about something worth pennies, I'd be surprised if the judge doesn't throw this out of his/her court without laughing and possibly even reprimanding the attorneys for bringing a frivolous lawsuit!

if you feel so strongly that a fraud has been perpetrated here, please, by all means, embarrass yourself and do it - file a lawsuit.


As for D9, the more I think about it, the more I'm feeling strongly that he'd have more of a case against Patrick and James for libel than (i) they would against this new action group, or (ii) they would against D9 claiming fraud.


So please, let's all simmer down now.

As for Tokyopotato:


You did much more that just put "your credibility on the line", you dragged CCN and its supporters with you.  If you want CCN to be treated as "CannaShares" and "investors" to be treated as "shareholders", and if the convo is now moving towards what "legal / business remedies" would be available, as shareholders, we could demand that you step down for flagrantly putting the good name of CCN into disrepute during your "personal" quests for transparency from other coins / projects in the industry.

 

File a lawsuit? You're the guy chatting on about slander and libel cases.

Why don't you put your money where your mouth is, help the dev sue these evil people destroying his reputation.

Go and ask if he wants to sue. Something tells me he won't be interested.

But since no Cannashares have been issued on the blockchain and Cannacoin is still just a protocol at the moment, what you are saying is hot-air.

Nobody is telling you to buy CCN.  We've never hyped CCN ever or told anyone to buy CCN.  Go look at the CannabisCoin thread prior to Oct 20th and then decide who is the one creating false expectations.  It's a get-rich-quick scheme that uses "medical patients" and literally has a poster-child on the main website.

Take a step back and open your eyes.

...but these are your plans, correct?  So, why is that hot-air?  Are you suggesting that this won't happen?  I should ignore all of your posts about this "switch" on Nov 1?



Never hyped CCN, really?  So CCN's products and services won't revolutionize the cannbis-crypto industry and you don't have any exciting news to come?  Your CCN products won't prove that you're "Leaders" in this industry?  Okay, great, I suppose I was duped then.


That's a conclusion you are so confident in drawing and are obviously shoving that message down all our throats.

BTW - Potcoin used a DEV's own sick child to raise money for something -- have you sniffed around there to make sure Russell didn't just pocket those donations?



Please, I'm asking YOU to take a step back and stop posting.  You've made your point already, now you guys just sound ridiculous.  Jump in another coin's forum (MAryJane Coin - plenty to be suspicious about there -- Dopecoin, Sativacoin, Ganjacoin, THCoin and all the others) -- sniff them out, audit them, report on them, police the industry for us all since that's what you want to do; otherwise, with each and every one of your "gotta have the last word" posts, you make it more and more obvious that you've targeted only CANN.


Seriously man, the cat's out of the bag, quit wasting time and energy on this and let the people come to their own conclusions.  God, no one will ever say they weren't warned and we all have you and James to thank, but enough already!!  

Focus your attentions on repairing the damage you've done to CCN and think about how to make your transition on Nov 1 a successful one, or will that not happen 'cause it's just "hot-air"?

    

If we're gonna bring out "medical patients", since that's clearly what all this is about anyway, right, how is that any different than what CCN did in its early days.

I recall a lot of "medical patients" at NWGT coming out and condemning the representations you made early on that CCN was backed by the 1000s of Users of NWGT who were ready, willing and able to use and transact with CCN.  Based on that news, CCN saw some early success and a spike rise in price.

That "representation" turned out to be a pretty fantastic lie too, didn't it?  I'd bet that less than 5% of the Users at NWGT (at the time) had ever even heard of crypto enough to know what CCN was all about.  So CCN's statements that it had a community backing was, in fact, a lie.  People invested based on that lie, people made money based on that lie and I'm sure you and the other Devs profited from that lie, either in sales of CCN or growth in CCN supporters......SO SCANDALOUS!!  

When you shoved the tipping feature down NWGT Users' throats, many of them spoke out.  Many of them wanted NOTHING TO DO WITH CCN, and felt you were "selling them out" to make a buck!  Many of the more vocal contributors of that community had dissented, had expressed themselves only to be banned from NWGT, a place they helped grow through their contributions.  

Some of them even went so far as to come to this shit-hole of a forum to spread news and warn others of your less-than professional conduct.  Things start getting dicey at around the 18th or 19th page when Lemonhoko starts re-hashing his side of the story  -- guess what happened to that ANN thread -- yep, you guessed it, closed and then replaced with a self-moderated one.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=482425.360    


Those vocal dissenters took many other vocal contributors with them in the process.    As a result, you polarized your own precious community, just as you are doing here with the larger cannibis-crypto community.

Well done!

Well, you make a good point that we did advertise NWGT as a potential userbase for CCN.  Unfortunately, due to things that had nothing to do with Cannacoin there was already a lot of bad blood and drama and it unfolded around the time we were adding tipping features to NWGT.

However, you don't know the facts about how many NWGT supporters we did have and continue to have behind us.  So, it's not a lie.

Don't take the words of a few pissed-off folks that were banned from NWGT before this all started as the general opinion of the entire group.

Bumping the facts.

More facts.

bumping again???


why?... in case we missed it in the 10 other threads you spammed this shit in?  so we can drown in it in case we came up for air investigating into your shady practices?

seriously man, will you ever stop?

Perhaps it had nothing to do with Cannacoin, but it had everything to do with those who now run it.


MORE FACTS:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=482425.360 

hello may i mining CANN use cpu miner??

Click image to view full size (https://i.imgur.com/YYkyf4F.jpg)
https://i.imgur.com/YYkyf4F.jpg (https://i.imgur.com/YYkyf4F.jpg)

 

went to read all this and still cant believe how creepy these Cannacoin guys are.

More for your reading pleasure: 

before the topic is removed from their subreddit - a concerned "investor" / "baholder" / CCN or whatever you want to call me, calling out those at the top of CCN in an exchange with Hybridsole -- apparently Tokyopotato and James' #1 cheerleader:


http://www.reddit.com/r/cannacoin/comments/2k5r2i/some_thoughts_on_cannacoin_right_now/

the post that's haunting the CCN ANN thread - I'm having a little fun -- following the examples set forth by CCN's self-appointed "Leaders in the industry":

well i got this message from the CANN team today but i have not posted in a CANN thread for quite a long time




apparently delta9 was upset that JamesonOTC asked some questions about the details and the dev went off the rails and locked the CANN thread:

<CanniServ1> why r u here
<Razerglass> freenode
<Razerglass> i invest in all coins?
<Razerglass> why are you pming me

meanwhile in... #cann......................

<Razerglass> Canniserv1 you didnt reply to me why are you pming me and is it a crime to sit in channels for coins im invested in
* FarSider has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds)
* laughingbear sets ban on *!*@unaffiliated/razerglass
* laughingbear has kicked Razerglass from #cann (Razerglass)



real fucking shady



here read the whole thing 

http://pastebin.com/jba15gr2

This is almost as bad as the Paycoin/Jeff Garza pre-mine scandal.  Dev still tries to brush this under the rug?  What a joke.  Can't believe this coin has any market cap with 7 million coins still outstanding. 

yeah its seriously sick. i feel bad for the newcomers that dont know the whole story

Word will get out.  It's the blockchain, it will tell the story for the rest of time.  I'm surprised these devs haven't given up and started over at this point.  How do you get past a scandal like this which is provable in the blockchain. 

didn't they set up a place to grow their cannabis strain?  are there any updates?

Pre-mine exist still of 5+ million coins in the developers possession being the #4 largest wallet on the network.
https://chainz.cryptoid.info/cann/address.dws?134355.htm.

If you don't count the bittrex wallets as personal individual owners, the pre-mine wallet falls in #2 largest individual holder on the network.


Not all coins were sent to a "Burn address" and many pre-mine coins exist still to this date.

~95% of the remaining being in Delta9Dev's possession at this time.


*If anyone has access to the old network blockchain up to the fork date/end date please contact me*
*paying 1 BTC bounty for this information*

You know, I find the whole thing strange, not just the fact there is 5 million still existing from the pre-mine. I find it strange he even burned the 14 million in the first place without any consensus from the community or accountability for them prior.

I'd still like to find the original blockchain Delta9Dev decided to manually redistribute himself. If you did not know he did this by accepting peoples wallet exports via skype, email and other platforms in exchange for new coins sent by D9 from the pre-mine block on the new x11 network.

For reasons unknown, many of the original miners never received their coins which ultimately the developer still currently holds & or has burned.

Only miner who has publicly announced they received their coins; user uleoja https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=827998.msg9278810#msg9278810


Ask about the subject to DeltaNineDev you may just be told you're making an attempt to FUD and nothing of which you say is credible or worthy of any attention. They will probably even accuse you of being me using another account.

Many people are still blind to the pre-mine and should be informed.

this user for instance below is implying that the coins have not come from the pre-mine in the Devs 5+ million wallet.

I'm not so sure they've seen this thread yet.

Dev moving coins to bittrex.  Just a friendly update to the pre-mine activity.

http://i67.tinypic.com/2unva7n.jpg

As of 5-19-2017 Dev wallets moving more coins to bittrex. More sneakily this time but I am watching.

Will report soon new blockchain break down.


very similar moves to the initial 500k stash used is the same method to attempt to obfuscate the cash out.

Very amateur.

yes im amazed on the market cap 7 million yesterday cannabis coin fall on 1 sat and go back what price it was i don't know what was happen on this coin. But it came back just a bit while lucky who buys low and they can sell it high on instant. We don't know is the big whale on cannabis coin is but if that is the price with dump surely he can pump it high good for the traders.

I came across this thread after research from WhatToMine showed CANN is a good x11 coin to mine.

I didn't realize this coin existed since then.

Any new updates on this?

The good old random pump lol