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So I sent a message to this Quickseller guy and this is how it went.

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I dont think this kid is a proper evaluator or is qualified enough to evaluate a popular faucet.

Also instead of actually reading my JAM application which would actually fund for 70% of the listed price he is constantly banging his head that I am asking for a 60 bTC loan - which I am not! I also didnt set the price of this faucet it was the seller's price and based on the amount of traffic his sites gets it has been evaluated to be quite expensive.

Now if someone is here who has a better set of evaluation skills and actually thinks that the puddle network is not worth what the seller is asking for then I am open to suggestion  but according to me this kid is acting immaturely.

Details about the faucet purchase is all written here https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=952197.0

Then it boils down to his trust ratings, Yes I see that he has a few positive reps and a ton of negative reps, the negative ones are offcourse from scammers and other idiots who he busted but MOST of the positive ones are from people with almost no trade history or reps, and seeing how he sells forum accounts I wouldnt be surprised if those are his own shill accounts. This doesnt mean that he doesnt have a good rep but basically he has not dealt with or accused someone legit like me and fails to understand the consequences of a negative report from a legit guy.

He went to the extent of going to my lending thread where I offer maximum 1 BTC to lend and is warning people to not trust me with their collateral as I will run away with their collateral... that really ticked me off. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=953547.0 (the comment has since been deleted and a modified term of using a trusted escrow has since been added which is an unnecessary complication for small loans)

So my question to other sensible users here who have been around here longer than me or at least as long as  have is that do I take a risk and report this idiot by posting a negative on his trust score ? - This would indefinitely get me 1 red as well but would it be worth it ? As of yet I dont have a bone to pick with this guy but I feel its gonna happen eventually.

Or do I do my best to ignore his whimsical existence ?

Almost anyone that is not outright offering/willing to use escrow is almost certain to be 100% scamming, period. Even the most trusted members of the forum offer the use of a neutral third party escrow service when soliciting trades with others.

The faucet that you claim to want to buy is not worth 60 BTC, which is the amount you are requesting, it does not matter that the loan will fund at a lower amount, if enough lenders are stupid enough to lend you 60 BTC then that is how much you will receive.

The seller of the faucet was trying to get a scammy loan using his faucets as collateral. His faucets are not worth .1 BTC altogether, let alone whatever amount he was claiming they were worth. I am not even going to try to do the math to determine how many users would need to visit the faucets every day for it to potentially have that much revenue, however the numbers are just not realistic. It is a well known fact that running faucets are simply not profitable, especially not to that scale.

Asking for collateral upfront when lending funds is a trend that scammers try in order to steal from their potential borrowers. Anyone who has legit intentions of actually lending should have no problem with a trusted escrow holding collateral, and when other lenders neglect to include this option in their OP, I have never seen any lender having any issue with either myself or someone else making the statement that all collateral should be held by a trusted third party. The fact that this person has negative trust is an indication that collateral is likely to be stolen in the event it is sent directly to him.

For the record the OP has a self moderated thread and deleted my comment about the importance of all collateral being held by a third party, and the only reason why I did not give him negative trust for such deletion is that he quoted my post and agreed that he would not have an issue with having collateral being held by escrow (although he did make a snide comment that my suggest was the stupidest thing he has ever heard)

Additionally I have seen this person, on numerous occasions tell potential trading partners to modify their trust settings to have a trust depth set to "4" in order to get a "more accurate" reading of his trust. Having a trust depth of this much is not reliable and is very easily to manipulate, and this suggest is in itself scammy.    

edit: I see that he has since deleted his post agreeing to have all collateral held by escrow

Why not just make and build a faucet yourself? I can help :p

You are asking for a large sum of money WITHOUT collateral which is one of the lending section rules. You should be getting negged based on that.

Don't see how Quickseller overreacted.

Collateral is a Suggestion not a Rule...I lend without it from time to time. It is the lenders choice if they require collateral to lend or not.

Would you be willing to lend him 60 BTC without collateral? If someone were to lend him that much, what do you think the chances are that he would repay the loan (be sure to look at his trust first)?

Seems more like a rule than a suggestion.

Are you an idiot ?

Did you overlook the part where I say its MANDATORY to ESCROW ALL COLLATERAL on my lending thread ? Isnt the idea of a self moderated thread based on to reduce clutter from trolls such as yourself ?

Also which part of I AM NOT ASKING FOR a 60 BTC LOAN you dint get ? Its a JAM listing !! One can invest from a few satoshis upto as much as one desires!



And yes by all means LOOK at my trust.


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When I ask people to set their trust depth to 4 it is generally for them to have an idea of most my ENTIRE trade history and not just the ones that show up as default. I didnt say that to rip someone off I said that on numerous occasions to NEWBIES who had no idea how the trust system works and if they were going to judge me based on the trust system they should take a look at my ENTIRE reputation history and not just a few.

Offcourse building a faucet is a hundred times cheaper than trying to buy an established faucet, but you do know there are added costs and implications when you have a brand new faucet that no one knows about, but in case of the puddle network it was already listed on landofbitcoins and faucetbox.

When it comes to making money from a faucet you have to ensure that the revenue generated from the adverts is sufficient enough to keep the websites running profitably.

No I wouldn't lend him that much. I was just pointing out that collateral is optional was all. I think it should be used most of the time, but it is a choice not a rule.

No, I actually have well above intelligence quotient. Thank you for allowing me to bring this up.
I do see that you have changed your OP on your lending thread to reflect this. This still does not change the fact that you deleted my warning to have collateral held by a trusted third party.

EDIT: I do see that you did make an edit to reflect that escrow will be used prior to creating this thread so I will remove my trust about you deleting my comment about having all collateral being held by a trusted third party. You are however still asking for a 60 BTC loan without collateral despite your dispute about this fact
There is very little legit reason to have a self moderated thread. People with negative trust should really not have the ability to start self moderated threads. I understand that people with scammer tags were not able to edit their posts when scammer tags were around.
Yes you are. Just because you would get the loan from several lenders does not mean you are asking for any less amount of money.

It looks like you have two negative reports.

Well above intelligence quotient ?? I doubt that.

On my Lending thread your opinion is not more important than mine, I originally had a un moderated thread which you and another user were simply using to increase your post count, hey I did that myself when I was new but I dont want that in my thread where I want to invest and make profit. I dont want you there and I follow all the general guidelines to protect myself AND the borrower, if you have a problem with my lending thread or my self moderation, then CREATE A NEW THREAD !


But there are at least a FEW legit reasons to have a self moderated thread. go do your history research about this forum with your above the par intelligence quotient and maybe you will grasp the reasons.

I am NOT asking for a 60 BTC loan, I am just asking for what the seller has asked for, if you never used BTC jam then dont try to meddle your nose into it.
If I posted a 30 BTC request and IF it reached only 25 BTC I would still be short of the actual amount which I would need to complete the purchase. I would then have to re launch ANOTHER listing to fill up the gap and the seller might never actually wait around for me to fund 2 separate listings.

AND why just 2 reports ? Wont you open my entire untrusted history and look at ALL the negative reports I have from idiots and scammers ?

You are correct, collateral is optional (it is a free market right). However I think you would also agree that the majority of people who are asking for no collateral loans have no intention of repaying if they get their loan (or are trying to build up confidence and eventually take out a large loan they will not repay).

Though that question was not for me, but off course I would agree that MAJORITY of the people/scammers would do that. But it is also true that there is a LARGE number of new users joining this forum who actually have no intentions of scamming anyone.
They need to earn the trust and repaying loans is the best way to do that.


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Who's to say that you arent here for a long con yourself ? Trying to gain the trust of the community passively and someday pull a heist on all of us and scam someone for some big amount!

Off course I am not saying that you are here to do that but THAT IS A POSSIBILITY. How would you feel if someone judged you based on that pretext ?

I am not on trial here, you are. By creating this thread you are soliciting the support of the community to back you up to show that you are not a scammer.
The new thread will not necessarily be read as much as the self moderated thread. This is especially the case for lending threads. No one is realistically going to post in a thread that I created to ask you for a loan.

I can say that I have my own self moderated lending thread of my own. However I am extremely conservative  with my moderation. I am fairly certain that the number of people that have created self moderated threads for non-scammy reasons in the marketplace sections is extremely small. I probably could count them on my fingers and toes, there are over 92k topics in the marketplace. The vast majority of self moderated thread in the marketplace are started by scammers, and the major reason to have a self moderated thread is to keep away the spammers, as in people who are getting paid to post and add nothing of value to the thread. Deleting a post that is trolling is not a valid reason to delete a post in the vast majority of circumstances (in order for it to be potentially a valid reason, they would need to have made their point a number of times)
If you are going to receive 60 BTC (minus the fee of the platform) from a loan if/when it become fully funded then you are asking for a 60 BTC loan. The asking price of what you are buying does not matter.
Untrusted trade history is just that, it is not trusted, I do not give any value to it. I will review it for potential legit scam allegations that have not yet been publicly reported, however other then that it will hold zero weight for me. Having one trusted negative feedback is likely more then what most scammers have.

You are a very confused person. You want everyone here to follow your steps ? To conduct themselves how YOU conduct yourself ? Which is completely mundane off course that would land you in hot waters my friend.

If you actually understood how business in real world is done then you would understand that not everyone is sitting on a cash bed just ready to invest at a moment's notice and MOST businesses are backed by multiple investors where the reputation of the borrower and the business is taken into consideration.

I have said what I wanted to say and your idiocy and hypocrisy here is now evident for everyone to witness and judge.

Why dont you show us how trust worthy you really are by being the escrow for my borrowers with collateral on my lending thread ?


If not, then good luck with your idiotic vigilantism I am sure you will turn out to be either a great failure or quite the opposite, chances for the later to happen are slim though.

This is very vague, and I really don't see the point you are trying to make in this statement.
If capital is not available to a business then they will not make the investment. There is a reason why your loan has not funded on BTCjam yet (as well as why the funding commitment is so little).
TBH you are starting to sound a lot like TECHSHARE and a lot of people have lost a lot of respect for him for how he has acted recently (despite his actual solid trading history - verses your lack thereof)
Making this a requirement would generally be a conflict of interest. My point is that someone who is trusted should be holding collateral. Your negative trust that you left me implies that you would not seriously ask me to escrow for you.

I have been pretty successful in finding and pointing out scams so far. I have been told by a number of people that the reason scammers hate me is because they are afraid of me

Scammers might be afraid of you I am not, get that embedded into your head. I have my personal details including my pan card and residential address with admins of this forum, if I were here to scam I wouldnt be as open about any of my dealings or my identity here on this forum.

and Cut the crap, I am seriously asking you to escrow. Show us how serious you are.

*Also, If I dont see any community interest in funding my loan that would also point out that my analysis of the puddle network is inaccurate and there is no way that it can sustain itself AND pay off the loan with which it was bought for.

Okay
I have my doubts, however depending on what you ask me to hold I may be willing to help. There area number of others willing to help as well.
Correct. Right now a total of less then .2 of your loan has been funded including multiple investments from two people (strange)

Welcome to BTCJAM.

There are a lot of scams on btcjam. The way their platform is setup makes it very easy for scammers to operate.

To date I have not seen one person that I trust make any kind of analysis to suggest the faucets in question are worth their asking price. With the exception of yourself, I have not seen anyone suggest the faucets are worth anything period.

How many websites do you operate ?
Are you setup on adsense ?
Have any of your sites had a decent traffic to generate a revenue from adverts ?
If not then your opinion in this matter is worthless, if you DO, then tell me about it instead of ruining my reputation which I have worked hard to maintain.
Since you chose the later path, your reputation is now at stake.

FYI you can't put AdSense on a faucet website, it is against the AdSense TOS. I know there are some faucets that do this, but once they reach the payment threshold their account will be suspended.

There are other advertisers who support faucets, like I have personally used adbrite in some of my old blogs in 2007. Though they are now defunct and I am not into internet marketing anymore. However the point still remains, that faucets are getting revenues through adverts whether it be from adsense or any other ad exchange.

What I could personally verify was that the puddle network was very popular and had a LOT of traffic in december.

But now that you say that adsense suspends faucet accounts, I will have to reconsider my approach as it very well could be the reason why he is trying to sell off these sites.

PS: The guy has been trying to talk me into purchasing these sites without the loan and has went to the extent of agreeing to a payment plan and reducing the asking price.

Since this issue is public, I would also like to ask Quicky to explain the reason for his current negative trust on my profile - which has shifted from - me not accepting escrow (false) to me asking a loan on BTCJAM with a flawless TRUSTED profile.

Does he genuinely expect me to provide all the multiple investors on Jam with a form of collateral for their investment ?
Is everyone on jam asking for a loan providing a collateral ?
If not then on what basis is he ruining my trust score ?

You could consider his reputation is the collateral. A newbie asking for a loan without a collateral is really asking without a collateral because his reputation is negligeable.
In the case of OP it's not.

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to sort this things out, id suggest you delete your thread which contains the link to your JAM listing, if you didnt posted that link here, im sure this issue wont happen, it will stay in JAM wether the community there will trust you or not

Wouldnt that be acting like a two faced hypocrite? What difference would there be between a potential scammer and me ?

(lets face it everyone is a potential scammer unless proven otherwise)
The only reason I have been able to do business here since the day I joined this forum was because of the transparency with which I conduct business.

And yes I could have simply avoided this by not posting about it here but the fact that I DID should account for my character. Being an old member here I really didnt that I'd have to testify my character time & time again especially to guys like Quickseller.

Faucets which are still being payed have some sort of game-like feature. Eg:- freebitco.in(& sister faucet).

   -MZ

Yeah alienfaucets as well, and since the name of the site was Bitcoin puddle and since I am a pro animator I had a lot of plans with it.. so I dont really know where we can go from here but lets see how everything else turns out.

He has negative trust?

LOL! :D Yup, pretty much what this forum is devolving into right now :D

I seriously have no time to have a cat fight with Johnie or Quicky I just wanted to bring this matter in public so this guy's idiocy is evident to all.

1. No I am  not selling it for adsense issues.
2. I was agreeing to do a payment plan with your because your loan is not going to fund.
3. yes I agreed to reducing the price as you asked.

I was not trying to talk to into purchasing with out the loan its just you can see on your Loan listing it looks like it wont fund.
So i wanted to see if you wanted to do a payment plan.  


To all the people that say faucets dont make money is because you dont own a faucet or even had the chance to make a decent profit making  faucet.

also just to clarify adsense does not close your account, yes if it reaches to a very large amount they will research the clicks, they do this to every website that starts to get massive amount of traffic not just faucets.

Proof of receipt of revenue? Proof of expenses of running your faucet? Proof your traffic is not violating the TOS of your sponsors?

I haven't seen people in the past be discouraged from scamming large amounts because there identities were public. From all the scams that have gone on having your identity public really doesn't mean anything anymore. In fact, most of the large scams that have been pulled off were from people who've already had their identities known.

yea quick seller all of this was already given.

Yes it necessarily doesnt mean that someone whose identity is in public cant or wont scam but generally scammers tend to hide their identity not openly display it.

I hope I dont have to explain myself any further.

You are going to have to link the post. I have not seen any of this.

Scammers who scam small amounts tend to hide their identity. Almost every large amount scammed the persons identity has already been known by the community.

Yea quickseller if you dont know what you are talking about or you seem to not know what is going on please stop trying to make your self a know it all.

are you not quickseller the one that posted on this thread?

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=934903.msg10262821#msg10262821

or is there another quickseller on this forum or do you share accounts.

Because for you to say "You are going to have to link the post. I have not seen any of this. " when you have clearly have posted on it before.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=949889.msg10401999#msg10401999

lol , why do you guys not just pm eachother concerning this , thanks for giving the community some drama tho.. im on legendster's side nobody should get marked a scammer just cause their asking for a loan.

That thread does not show you have actually received any revenue. It does not show any expenses. It does not even discuss TOS of any advertisers. All it has is a screenshot of what appears to be an Adsense account. As mentioned above having your Adsense account credited and actually receiving revenue are two separate things.

? Okay man I am out of this your so something else.  It is my adsense account with earnings and you still deny it. 
expenses are 2.1 btc like stated in the thread. why would I just post it. of course if there is a buyer I will show everything before sale I even asked if you wanted to see my adsense account and faucetbox account you denied. so just stop, you wouldn't know proof if i was right  on your nose.

funny how you didnt bring this up any more. "You are going to have to link the post. I have not seen any of this. " you clearly seen it.  now your going to deny it?

no need to post here  any more.   

lol Quickseller you gone far away from Vod, Vod negative feedback 99.99% times for newbie who just post loan thread without collateral or scam accusation of anyone. You start your own BTCTALK Policing to all account who do big loan or big trade.

Do you think anyone here fool who will just give 60 BTC to anyone without collateral or without knowing him/herself since long time.

May be in future I will make thread to post for selling 50-100 BTC then you come and asking me all details or signed address.

So be in limit.

I lent someone very close to this amount, no collateral. Got at least half of it back, the rest still not due yet  ;). But obviously such large transaction like this without collateral is extremely rare.

Ok continue on...

well use the collateral The puddle faucets.  for a loan :)

There would be a point after which his 'opinion' in every matter would simply become a joke.

I looked through roughly the last 20 pages of your leading thread and was not able to find such a loan request (there was one for 20 BTC to be repaid in 5 years that did give me some lulz along with others, but you did not actually fund this one despite you telling him you did). I did find one post that may indicate who you were potentially lending to although the details were likely intentionally kept private so I will respect the borrowers and your privacy if you are willing to keep the details of the loan secret. The person in question however does have significant trading history with people whose trust reports I trust and does not have any blemishes on his history. I also assume that you were able to verify his income/ability to repay (while the BTCjam loan in question does not have the OP's income verified).

I think you would agree that the vast majority of loan requests of even 2 BTC are scams, let along requests of 60 BTC. Additionally I think if you were to take the time to closely look at the details of his loan request (if you have not done so already) then you would likely consider his request a scam, and would probably make the same conclusion if his request was for 2 BTC.

No. This would be a guaranteed way to lose significant amounts of money.

I am pretty sure you just contradicted yourself when you said you were not going to post here anymore when you made your above comment.

You claim your expenses are 2.1 BTC (per month?) however have provided no such documentation to be as much.

Additionally if you have really earned as much as your screenshot from what you claim to be your Adsense account shows you earned then you should be able to provide either copies of checks you received or copies of bank statements showing deposits from Adsense (as well as for other companies you are advertising for).

You will need to highlight where in the TOS of Adsense that it shows you are not breaking their rules (the same applies for other advertisers you are advertising for).

I never said I am trying to follow in Vod's footsteps. My feedback consists of negative trust against people who I have gathered evidence that they are trying to scam, or when it is clear they are trying to scam.
If you are implying that anyone considering to lend the OP 60 BTC is a fool then you are validating my negative trust against him. The same would be asked about giving loans to newbies without collateral, giving such loans is extremely stupid however it does happen ever once in a blue moon.
If you were to ask for a 50 BTC loan in the future and cannot provide a signed message then you would probably get tagged as a potentially hacked account. If you can produce a signed message after asking for such a large loan then you would likely get questioned. Also, you, unlike the OP do have reputation and have less scammy business proposals then the OP.

However when relying on trust ratings alone then you will have outcomes like this (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=851003.0;all).

Additionally as mentioned above the OP has not submitted any proof of income to BTCjam nor has offered to give proof of income to potential lenders.

You are more then welcome to exclude my trust ratings from you seeing them by default if you think they are a "joke".

Additionally it is interesting to note that you effectively threatened me to ignore your business dealings/offers which in itself is scammy as the reason why such dealings are posted publicly is to allow for others to peer review them and to call out anything that is less then safe and/or fair.

to simplify this matter before more nonsense coming up, maybe bitcoinpuddle can give his adsense account to a reputable owner to check if he really got the paid revenue as stated and other sensitive proof about getting the payment from adsense

First of all, the level of information you share on Jam is completely depended on you, it is a SUGGESTION that you complete your profile but it is also suggested that you expose only that much information about yourself with which you are comfortable. If you dont like sharing some detail then simply DONT.

Go ahead and take a look at https://btcjam.com/users/5906 https://btcjam.com/users/24910 or https://btcjam.com/users/43278 I am sure you dont even know who these people are but they are successful investors and borrowers on jam who are trusted without a complete profile.

AND THEY HAVE REPAID over 500 BTC !

I am building my rep there AND HERE so that the community can trust me similarly because I do have a couple of business ideas that I want to fund solely through JAM or BCT. People who can TRUST ME.

I am sure you cant trust me and not only people like you have a problem trusting others you have a problem of letting people trust someone else who you dont trust and hence guys like you abuse this trust system, but honestly this abuse has a good side effect on this community, it helps to screen potential scammers and hence it is tolerated but it is also unfair in many ways.. but hey this post isnt about that.

Returning back to point I wont call you an idiot anymore, largely because the way you conduct yourself in messy situations like this, where you are trying to smear a decently trusted guy like me. BUT with that said I will continue to say that what you ARE trying to do is stupid and idiotic.
It is evident that you have free time to kill by all means continue your agenda, but if you were really employed or made money outside this forum 'professionally' then you would understand that it is not a good idea to share your income details online. No matter the context.
If I were applying for a loan on Jam and had my income details shared on their site AND their site got hacked which regularly happens wouldnt my tax paying information be leaked ?
According to me people can use Jam to get the initial funding required by their businesses WITHOUT APPLYING through a bank and thats what I plan to do off course I wouldnt even waste my time explaining this to you, because according to you, you have a very high intellect so you might have trouble figuring out simple stuffs lol

Since this post was made to expose your idiocy to the people here and now that it has served it's purpose you are more than welcome to just not reply here anymore and continue with ... whatever you are trying to pull.

That is a sensible suggestion but it wont simplify the matter or change his opinion about me, because the great intellect of Quickseller wouldnt approve of it, apparently he is under the impression that one must for ask his permission before conducting business here or on BTCJAM.

From your currency exchange thread:
From the looks of it, you are less then welcoming for people to criticize anything about you. If that criticizes you again are you going to complain about him as well?

Who I choose to complain about is solely dependent on me and I will not look for your permission or anyone's permission for that matter.

My thread, my rules, dont like em ? Go somewhere else !

I am offering to buy / sell through escrow so I dont see a point of debate there and hence will NOT WELCOME ANY IDIOTIC COMMENTS ABOUT IT.

I am quoting this in case you decide to delete it later.

 /thread

By all means do that. Infact suggest you print it put it on a plaque and wake up everyday and stare at it.

... and you are starting to look a lot like VOD. I thought you had some common sense, but it is clear now you are only here to exercise your obsessive compulsive tendencies and your perverse desire for perceived authority and control. You just bounce from one inquisition to the next in your single minded attempt to be known as a "scambuster". This so called "lot" of people who have "lost respect" for me never respected me to begin with. If not accepting group think and mob rule means I lost your respect, then I don't want anything to do with you anyway.

Everyone is telling you Legendster didn't break any rules, but it doesn't matter, because you are the law right?

I have no desire nor need to be known as anything. I wish to prevent others from being wronged and/or taken advantage of. I think that I have an open mind when it comes to deciding if someone is a scammer or not.

I also would say that I have the ability to think for myself and draw my own conclusions (e.g. do not engage in group think), one example of this is how many times I had gone back and forth about if I think that WC is in fact a scammer (please no WC drama). This does not mean that my opinion is not the same as what a "mob" thinks, it only means that I have the ability to independently draw my own conclusions based on the analysis of evidence that I find credible. 

I honestly had never heard of you prior to your dispute with Armis, therefore it would have been impossible for me to have respect for you without knowing about you. I don't think that being in the default trust network is something that is earned nor is it a privilege, I would view it more as a responsibility. I am sure that you dislike the decision to have been removed from the default trust network and you have every right to have that opinion. There does however come a time when it is appropriate to stop disputing such decision. Everyone has their right to freedom of speech however when they use that right to look like an idiot (in similar ways the OP is doing, and somewhat how Armis did) then their respect will be lost by others. My advice is to let it go, learn from your mistake and continue to constructively participate in the community and you will potentially be added back into the default trust network. 
Scamming is not against the rules, nor is attempting to scam. I think that deleting a post saying that escrow must be used in a self moderated thread is a scammy thing to do, I also think a reasonable person would find his specific loan request to be scammy. One respected person has said that he has lent money to people on here without collateral, however would not lend to the OP, I do not know his specific financial situation however I believe him to have enough money/bitcoin to be able to fill the loan in it's entirety. One other respected person has said that he has lent similar amounts to someone in the past and agreed that successful deals of similar size are very rare. I am more confident that he has sufficient amounts of money to fill the entire loan based on his trading history, however based on the fact the loan is still unfilled on BTCjam he has not.

I am not familiar with your personal financial situation, however lets say for arguments sake that you have more then 60 BTC to lend. Would you lend 60 BTC to the OP with no collateral based on his current description of what the loan is for? Why or why not?

Quicky buddy shut the ___ up! Seriously, blow your steam elsewhere.
I have a trusted profile on JAM and based on JAM rules I have made a listing, I have similarly posted a thread here to funnel a few investors from here to the jam listing.
But face it, you didnt give a crap about it, your only problem was "I deleted your comment on my self regulated thread and implemented a new rule to keep you away" your negative rating on my trust score didnt even show up until it was ME WHO POINTED IT OUT THAT I DELETED YOUR COMMENT AND IMPLEMENTED A MANDATORY ESCROW RULE ON MY THREAD. You were so enraged at that point that you just had to do something to make yourself feel superior which you did by acting on your idiocy & choosing to post a negative on my trust score but when you realized that I had actually made the escrow rule long before you even made that rating you quickly changed it to my Jam listing. WHICH IS BONKERS ! I have a trusted profile there and I INVEST IN PEOPLE's LOAN REQUESTS!

If you really had the balls, go mess with Swisswatcher's profile, I dare you boy lol Personal attacks aside, get this fact straight, I have been here before you even heard of Bitcoins and I have been busting scams before you learned how to zip your pants.

I cant control what you do, I can only control what I do and only time will tell who ends up fulfilling his goals.
- Me funding my business ideas through JAM / this forum / or people actually taking you seriously.

Till then do your job of being my lending thread's escrow and EARN that 1% service charge you are going to charge from me.

-edit- You had the fudging audacity to come to my thread and warn MY borrowers that I would run away with the collateral for their loans ? Are you ____ serious ? If I give out no collateral loans THEN you have problem, if I take collateral for loans THEN you have peroblem !! I am the one investing and you had the fudging nerve to say that I would run away with that collateral ? who will pay me if the borrower fails to return ?? your dad ? who the F--- DO YOU THINK YOU ARE ??? CUZ WHOEVER YOU MIGHT BE I DONT GIVE A CRAP ABOUT IT, GET IT ?? NO ?? READ THAT AGAIN!

And give your conspiracy theory a rest, you doubted me, you reported me, I didnt like that I sent you a private message and then took it public. Leave it at that and bugger off. This thread doesnt require your participation.
If I had to scam anyone or if that was my intention I could have run away with the $1000 + I received during my cumulative trade history, and had a new account by now. Get this through your skull, Johnie (another idiot I hate on this forum) had his theories about me and he is way more trusted than you are, hell even I trusted his report before my fallout with him; but if his report since 2013 hasnt stopped me then WHO THE HELL DO YOU THINK YOU ARE ?

I have pretty much remained calm through out this situation but enough is enough and I had to let some temper fly here, no hard feelings.



Law my ass, I poop out kids like this guy every morning.

Ill just leave my few cents here even though I know they will probably be wasted.


You censoring the swear words does not change that you appear hostile.


Jam is Jam and bitcointalk is bitcointalk. In my personal expierence reputation on Jam does not mean much. The way BTCJam works is that you essentially have to make and fill loans you do not need in order to build a reputation before you can get reasonable rates for a loan. This "rep building" as its openly called on BTCJam is frowned upon here. Maybe not by all users of bitcointalk, but at least by some. On Jam however its normal.


The rating is just an opinion and Quickseller is free to use this tool as a warning for others. You still appear green for the other ratings you received.


How is this related?


Age is no reason for reputation, it comes with time and time passes for all of us. Your behaviour durring the passing of time is what makes you reputable. Your reputation was damaged[1] in the past and from what I read in this thread you have not changed. You are reacting to criticism of your project as if you as a person was attacked. Never a good sign IMHO.


I suspect you deleted that post in your lending thread[2] as I cant seem to find it.


If you want it to be public, dont make it public? I am not sure I can follow you here. It was your decision, this is your thread.


Edit: Another note. Your first post is full of words that suggests that Quickseller is beneath you or unworthy in some way. This is not what I would call calm or reasonable.



[1] https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=195234.0
[2] https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=953547.0

  Have a charity boxing match to settle it and put it online >:(
  You both owe me 10 minutes of my time for reading all of your petty bickering. >:(
  I'll never get those minutes back. >:(
 

Madison square garden then ? Everyone pays for their ticket.

And yes I do consider him beneath me and unworthy of my time, for me, I came into the bitcoin worl before him, that makes me a senior he came after wards he's a junior end of story. I hope that answers all your questions. If Jam is jam and this forum is this forum then he should have not meddled with my business in jam and leave it there.

Does this mean that everyone that joined after October 31, 2013 is officially my bitch?  :D

What if he adopted Bitcoin before you but didn't wanna join in this/old forum? What if he was here earlier than you and he started his business with new account? What if he forgotten the password of his account and started a new one? There are many possibilities that proove this statement is false. AFAIK in this forum, join date doesn't make you or him or anyone else senior, it's their works.

   -MZ

lol in that case I have been involved with Bitcoins since 2011.

Yes Master.

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Locking time !!

PS : I hate Hari puttar, I am more a smeagol-lord kinda guy..